1972 Legislative Session: 3rd Session, 29th Parliament

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Official Report of

DEBATES OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY

(Hansard)

TUESDAY, MARCH 28, 1972

Afternoon Sitting

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The House met at 2:00 p.m.

Prayers.

MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Vancouver South.

MRS. A. KRIPPS (Vancouver South): Mr. Speaker in the public

galleries today we have a group of 65 high school students from the

Killarney Secondary School in Vancouver South, they are here with their

teacher Mr. Sharp and Mr. Muter, and I would ask the House to welcome

them.

MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Burnaby Edmonds.

MR. G.H. DOWDING (Burnaby-Edmonds): Mr. Speaker I would ask

the House to welcome 56 students from McPherson Park Junior Secondary

School in my constituency, along with their teachers Mr. MacDonald, Mr.

Smith and his wife Mrs. Smith, and John Wallace.

MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for North Vancouver-Capilano.

MR. D.M. BROUSSON (North Vancouver–Capilano): Mr. Spe aker

in the galleries today are 50 pupils fortunate in living in the

beautiful hillsides of North Vancouver–Capilano and from Delbrook High

School with their teachers Mr. McKee, and Mr. Williams. I hope the

House will make them welcome.

MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member for Surrey.

MR. E. HALL (Surrey): Mr. Speaker in the legislative grounds

today, and in your gallery during the afternoon there will be three

groups from West Whalley Secondary School, three very large groups, and

I hope the House makes its usual welcome to them this afternoon.

Introduction of bills.

Mr. Macdonald moves introduction and first reading of Bill No. 113

intituled The Provision of Hearing Aids Act and of Bill No. 114

intituled

An Act to Incorporate The Land Bank of British Columbia.

Motions approved. Bills introduced, read a first time, and ordered

to be placed on orders of the day for second reading at the next

sitting after today.

Orders of the day.

HON. W.A.C. BENNETT (Premier): Mr. Speaker, I move we proceed to public bills and orders.

Leave granted.

HON. MR. BENNETT: For the members in the gallery, Mr.

Speaker, these bills have gone through all the readings of the House

and they're now being reported to the Speaker. Report on Bill No. 49.

MR. SPEAKER: Report on Bill no. 49.

An Act to Amend the Social Assistance Act.

AN ACT TO AMEND THE SOCIAL ASSISTANCE ACT

Bill No. 49 read a third time and passed on the following division:

YEAS-32

Mussallem

McCarthy, Mrs.

Smith

Marshall

Jordan, Mrs.

McDiarmid

Wenman

Dawson, Mrs.

Skillings

Kripps, Mrs.

Kiernan

Chant

Price

Williston

Loffmark

Capozzi

Bennett

Gaglardi

LeCours

Peterson

Campbell, D.R.J.

Little

Black

Brothers

Jefcoat

Fraser

Shelford

Tisdalle

Wolfe

Richter

Bruch

Campbell, B.

NAYS-16

Brousson

Williams, R.A.

Strachan

Wallace

Calder

Dowding

Cocke

Clark

Nimsick

Hartley

McGeer

Barrett

Lorimer

Macdonald

Dailly, Mrs.

Hall

PAIRS

Vogel

Williams, L.A.

Merilees

Gardom

HON. MR. BENNETT: Report on Bill No. 67, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Report on Bill No. 67. Safety Engineering Services Act.

SAFETY ENGINEERING SERVICES ACT

Bill No. 67 read a third time and passed on the following division:

YEAS-36

Mussallem

Jefcoat

Wolfe

Brousson

Tisdalle

Smith

Wallace

Bruch

McDiarmid

Marshall

McCarthy, Mrs.

Chabot

Wenman

Jordan, Mrs.

Skillings

Kripps, Mrs.

Dawson, Mrs.

Chant

Price

Kiernan

Loffmark

Clark

Williston

Gaglardi

McGeer

Bennett

Campbell, D.R.J.

Capozzi

Peterson

Brothers

LeCours

Fraser

Shelford

Little

Campbell, B.

Richter

NAYS-12

Cocke

Williams, R.A.

Dowding

Hartley

Calder

Nimsick

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Lorimer

Macdonald

Barrett

Hall

Strachan

Dailly, Mrs.

PAIRS

Vogel

Williams, L.A.

Merilees

Gardom

HON. MR. BENNETT: Report on Bill No. 78.

MR. SPEAKER: Report on Bill No. 78,

An Act to Amend the Insurance Act.

Bill No. 78 read a third time and passed.

HON. MR. BENNETT: Report on Bill No. 82, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Report on Bill No. 82,

An Act to Amend the Workmen's Compensation Act, 1968.

Bill No. 82 read a third time and passed.

HON. MR. BENNETT: For the benefit of the public in the

gallery we are now entering bills in committee, six bills, and they've

all been through first reading, second reading and full discussion and

now they're in committee.

Committee on Bill No. 47, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Bill No. 47, Sunshine Comstock Mines Limited (Non-personal Liability) Mineral Claims Act.

Bill No. 47 committed and reported complete without amendment.

SUNSHINE COMSTOCK MINES LIMITED

(NON-PERSONAL LIABILITY) MINERAL CLAIMS ACT

MR. SPEAKER: The question is that Bill No. 47 be read a third time now.

Motion approved on the following division:

YEAS-39

Ney

Little

Campbell, B.

Merilees

Jefcoat

Wolfe

Mussallem

Tisdalle

Smith

Brousson

Bruch

McDiarmid

Wallace

McCarthy, Mrs.

Chabot

Marshall

Jordan, Mrs.

Skillings

Wenman

Dawson, Mrs.

Chant

Kripps, Mrs.

Kiernan

Loffmark

Price

Williston

Gaglardi

Clark

Bennett

Campbell, D.R.J.

McGeer

Peterson

Brothers

Capozzi

Black

Shelford

LeCours

Fraser

Richter

NAYS-12

Cocke

Williams, R.A.

Dowding

Hartley

Calder

Nimsick

Lorimer

Macdonald

Barrett

Hall

Strachan

Dailly, Mrs.

PAIR

Vogel

Gardom

Bill No. 47 read a third time and passed.

HON. MR. BENNETT: Committee on Bill No. 89, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Committee on Bill No. 89, intituled Kootenay Canal Land Acquisition Act.

Bill committed and reported complete without amendment.

KOOTENAY CANAL LAND ACQUISITION ACT

MR. SPEAKER: The question is that Bill No. 89 be read a third time now.

Motion approved on the following division:

YEAS-35

Ney

Bruch

Smith

Merilees

McCarthy, Mrs.

McDiarmid

Mussallem

Jordan, Mrs.

Chabot

Wallace

Dawson, Mrs.

Skillings

Marshall

Kiernan

Chant

Wenman

Williston

Loffmark

Kripps, Mrs.

Bennett

Gaglardi

Price

Peterson

Campbell, D.R.J.

Capozzi

Black

Brothers

LeCours

Fraser

Shelford

Little

Campbell, B.

Richter

Jefcoat

Wolfe

NAYS-16

Brousson

Calder

Strachan

Cocke

Clark

Dowding

Hartley

McGeer

Nimsick

Lorimer

Williams, L.A.

Barrett

Hall

Macdonald

Dailly, Mrs.

Williams, R.A.

PAIR:

Vogel

Gardom

Bill No. 89 read a third time and passed.

HON. MR. PETERSON: Committee on Bill No. 91, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Committee on Bill No. 91 intituled Statute Law Amendment Act, 1972.

Bill No. 91 committed, reported complete without amendment, read a third time and passed.

HON. MR. BENNETT: Committee on Bill No. 92, Mr. Speaker.

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MR. SPEAKER: Committee on Bill No. 92, intituled

An Act to Amend the Municipalities Enabling and Validating Act.

Bill No. 92 committed and reported complete with amendments. By leave of the House, the bill was read a third time and passed.

HON. MR. PETERSON: Committee on Bill No. 98, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Committee on Bill No. 98, intituled

An Act to Amend the Pollution Control Act, 1967.

Bill No. 98 committed and reported complete with amendments. By leave of the House, the bill was read a third time and passed.

HON. MR. PETERSON: Committee on Bill No. 99, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Committee on Bill No. 99, intituled

An Act to Amend the Podiatry Act.

Bill No. 99 committed, reported complete without amendments, read a third time and passed.

HON. MR. PETERSON: Committee on Bill No. 50, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Committee on Bill No. 50, intituled

An Act to Amend the Vancouver Charter.

Bill No. 50 committed, reported complete without amendments, read a third time and passed.

HON. MR. PETERSON: Committee on Bill No. 51, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Committee on Bill No. 51, intituled

An Act to Amend the Trinity Junior College Act.

Bill No. 51 committed, reported complete without amendments, read a third time and passed.

HON. MR. PETERSON: Second reading of Bill No. 52, Mr. Speaker.

AN ACT TO INCORPORATE

VANCO INSURANCE COMPANY

MR. SPEAKER: Second reading of Bill No. 52, the Honourable Member for Vancouver-South.

MRS. A. KRIPPS (Vancouver-South): Mr. Speaker, Bill No. 52,

intituled

An Act to Incorporate Fanco Insurance Company has been

studied by your select standing committee on private bills and standing

orders. It has been carefully scrutinized and questioned and amendments

have been made. All criteria and demands as set forth in the Insurance

Act and all the requirements of the Superintendent of Insurance have

been complied with.

I now move that Bill No. 52, intituled

An Act to Incorporate Panco

Insurance Company, as amended in the select standing committee on

standing orders and private bills, be now read a second time.

MR. SPEAKER: Are you ready for the question? The question is

that Bill No. 52,

An Act to Incorporate Vanco Insurance Company, now be

read a second time.

Motion approved: second reading of the bill.

Bill No. 52 ordered to be placed on orders of the day for committal at the next sitting after today.

House in committee of supply. The committee rose, reported progress and asked leave to sit again.

Presenting reports.

Mr. Price of the select standing committee on municipal matters presented report No. I which was taken as read and received.

(Your select standing committee on municipal matters begs leave to report as follows:

By motion of February 7, 1972, your committee was

authorized as follows: "That this House authorize the select standing

committee on municipal matters to examine the criteria and conditions

which should be met either to incorporate by statute an area as a

municipality or to include an area in an existing municipality and to

report their findings and recommendations to the House."

The committee held five meetings. The principal representations made

to the committee were presented by the Union of British Columbia

Municipalities, firstly, in a brief submitted March 6 and in a

supplementary brief which was requested by the committee, which was

presented March 20. Alderman E.J. Broome, President of the UBCM; Mayor

S.A. Fleming; and Director M.H. Holmes, accompanied by Mr. C.S.J.

McKelvie, Executive Director, presented the briefs on behalf of the

union, and the committee wished to express its appreciation to the

union for the clear, straightforward presentation and frank

discussions. In addition to the presentations by the committee, staff

members of the Department of Municipal Affairs were present at most of

the committee meetings.

The Union of British Columbia Municipalities' submission was basically as follows:

Firstly, they recommended that criteria be established by

legislation for both the incorporation of disparate municipalities and

for the extension of boundaries of existing municipalities.

Secondly, they recommended that the Minister be empowered to appoint a secretary whose function would be:

To determine all instances where in his opinion the relevant criteria have been met and to report his findings to the Minister.

To proceed after authorization by the Minister to assemble all relevant data.

To publicise that an inquiry will be held in connection with the proposed incorporation or boundary extension.

To convene the inquiry and perform such duties as members of the

inquiry board may require and to advise the board on all matters on

which they are required to make a decision.

Thirdly, the Union of British Columbia Municipalities proposed that

in each case an inquiry board be established. The Minister would have

discretion to determine the number

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of members of the inquiry board, the suggestion being that in minor

cases of boundary extension a single person would be sufficient, but

where the Minister is of the opinion that the issue is such that it

requires a board of more than a single member, the membership should be

selected as follows:

One member selected by electoral area directors of the regional district;

One member of the council of the host municipality (where extension of boundaries in in question); and

The two members selected would nominate a third member who would be

chairman from a list maintained by the Minister of individuals such as

past presidents of the Union of British Columbia Municipalities or

other prominent and respected municipal officials;

Where more than one host municipality or community is involved the Minister would specify additional board members.

The inquiry board thus established shall:

Meet forthwith in the area under consideration.

Determine the boundaries, with subsequent review and revision 8 required.

Establish whether the criteria have been met within the boundaries so determined.

If the criteria have been met, hold public hearings and receive submissions to evaluate the opinions of all parties concerned.

The inquiry board would report to the Minister, who would be

empowered to provide that the question of incorporation or extension of

boundaries be submitted to the owner-electors and property-owners in

the community and that a 60 per cent plurality would be required to

carry such a vote. In the case of a boundary extension the vote would

be on the basis of the extension area and the existing municipality

combined.

The Union of British Columbia Municipalities also recommended that

subsection (5) of

section 12 be made applicable to all classes of

municipalities so that in the event of an extension of boundary,

provisions could be made that the newly included areas would not assume

the full burden of taxation for certain services unless those services

were actually received by the area.

The committee recommends that consideration be given to legislative

provision in the future to incorporate the view of the Union of British

Columbia Municipalities.

The committee recommends, as well, that the provisions of subsection

(5) of

section 12 of the Municipal Act be amended at this session of

the legislature to make the provisions applicable to all classes of

municipalities.

The committee further recommends that the Department of Municipal

Affairs, by August 31, 1972, ascertain the opinion of the

municipalities on the subject-matter presented to the Committee by the

Union of British Columbia Municipalities.)

Hon. Mr. Peterson moves adjournment of the House.

Motion approved.

The House adjourned at 6:02 p.m.

The House met at 8:00 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER: Honourable Members, on the orders of the day for

this evening's sitting there is an error on page 10 of those orders

under the heading of private bills.

Bill No. 52, intituled

An Act to Incorporate Vanco Insurance

Company, was given a second reading this afternoon and should appear in

committee rather than in second reading. I simply announce it to the

House so that if further action on the bill is taken you will

understand, that the orders are not correct.

Introduction of bills.

Orders of the day.

HON. MR. BENNETT (Premier): Committee on private Bill No. 52, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Bill No. 52,

An Act to Incorporate Vanco Insurance Company.

Bill No. 52 committed and reported complete without amendments.

AN ACT TO

INCORPORATE VANCO INSURANCE COMPANY

Bill No. 52,

An Act to Incorporate Vanco Insurance Company read a third time and passed on the following division:

YEAS-40

Mussallem

Nimsick

Fraser

Wallace

Barrett

Campbell, B.

Marshall

Dailly, Mrs.

Wolfe

Cocke

LeCours

Smith

Hartley

Tisdalle

McDiarmid

Lorimer

McCarthy, Mrs.

Chabot

Hall

Jordan, Mrs.

Skillings

Williams, R.A.

Dawson, Mrs.

Chant

Wenman

Kiernan

Loffmark

Kripps, Mrs.

Williston

Campbell, D.R.J.

Price

Bennett

Brothers

McGeer

Peterson

Shelford

Strachan

Black

Richter

Dowding

NAYS-1

Bruch

PAIR:

Vogel

Clark

HON. MR. BENNETT: Committee of supply, Mr. Speaker.

House in committee of supply. The committee rose, reported resolutions, and asked leave to sit again,

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Presenting reports.

Mr. McDiarmid of the select standing committee on forestry and

fisheries presented the committee's report which was taken as read and

received:

(Your select standing committee on forestry and fisheries begs leave to report as follows:

Pursuant to a motion on February 15, 1972, your committee was ordered convened to study the following matter:

Resolved, That this House authorize the select standing committee on

forestry and fisheries to consider the reports prepared by the Forest

Service pursuant to request of this committee at the last session on:

The contractor clause in tree-farm licences.

Log and debris salvage in the Strait of Georgia.

And examine into the disposal of chips, sawdust, and hog fuel

arising from close-utilization policies which at the present time have

caused

(

a) an apparent oversupply of chips from sawmill production aggravated by depressed markets for pulp;

(

b) reduced ability to dispose of sawdust and

hog fuel coincident with a reduced pulp-mill demand and the pending

restriction on burners which have been a major method of waste disposal

up to the present time.

The objective would be to collect information and make

recommendations concerning the short- and long-term problems relative

to waste recovery and utilization. The committee should seek

submissions from interested forestry groups and from those who have had

experience in using such waste for generation of steam.

Meetings were held and representations were heard from MacMillan

& Bloedel; Central Interior Loggers; Cariboo Lumber Manufacturer's

Association; Western Independent Log Hauler's Association; Vancouver

Island Chip Supply; Western Canadian Regional Council No. 1,

International Woodworkers of America; Forest Industrial Relations; The

Truck Logger's Association; The Chip Advisory Committee of B.C.;

Cariboo Pulp & Paper Company; Gulf Log Salvage cooperative; and

Weyerhauser Canada Limited.

In addition, briefs were received from Ventura Engineering Limited;

Jack Christensen, president, Tahsis Company; Bluebird Sawmills; and a

group of log salvage operators.

Your committee believes on this basis of submissions placed before

it that the 30-50 per cent contractor clause is in general being lived

up to by the tree-farm licence holders. Your committee reaffirms the

provisions of the 30-50 per cent contractor clause and is of the strong

opinion that any agreement made between the tree-farm licence holder

and a union should not in any way be binding upon or interfere with

independent contractors operating under the 30-50 per cent contractor

clause.

Your committee concurs with the Forest Service recommendation that

accumulated wood debris along the lower reaches of the Fraser River

between Haney and the Mission Bridge be burned prior to the 1972

freshet. Your committee recommends that if early high-water prevents

completion of this project this spring, it should be completed by the

Forest Service at a convenient time during the ensuing 12 months. The

effect of this project on the Fraser River debris problem should

continue to be monitored and a report prepared by the Forest Service

for consideration by your committee next year.

The problem of beach salvage for the Strait of Georgia near the East

Coast of Vancouver Island was considered. It is apparent that at most,

only 30 per cent of beach logs could be salvaged and utilized on an

economic basis at this time. Your committee believes that the Forest

Service should encourage removal of as much usable beach wood as

possible.

Your committee recommends the continuation of Beach Clearance

Licence 40 to Vancouver Island Chip Supply for such a period of time as

the Forest Service may decide so that the relative efficiency of

salvors working under this licence can be compared to those selling to

Gulf Log Salvage at a proposed new depot at Ladysmith Harbour.

Your committee heard evidence from many sources and is convinced

that the present oversupply of chips is temporary and recommends

against any long-term commitment to foreign purchasers. The Chip

Advisory Committee of British Columbia seems to be functioning

adequately and is currently disposing of chips on a contract basis not

exceeding 12 months.

Your committee deplores the burning of chips which has occurred and

it has recommended that in each pulp harvesting area it should be the

responsibility of the pulp-mill to receive all by-product chips from

wood processing plants within that area and the problems of

transportation, storage, utilization, or other disposal should be the

responsibility of the receiving pulp-mill.

To date the most efficient and most desirable method of disposal of

hog fuel appears to be utilization as a fuel in specially designed

burners within a pulp-mill, where heat thus generated is used in plant

processing plus generation of electricity.

At this time, hog fuel is slightly more expensive than other fuels

but the anticipated increase in price of those fuels is expected to

make hog fuel more competitive in the near future. Not all hog fuel

presently being produced can be utilized in this way and there is every

indication of increasing volumes being produced in the future. Other

forms of use for this material, such as mulch, particle board, etc.,

will absorb only a small fraction of production. Hog fuel is

unsatisfactory for land fill except in highly selective areas. The

burning of hog fuel in nonpolluting burners to produce energy for dry

kiln operations or electricity, or a combination of both, appears to be

the only likely solution to the pollution problem caused by excess

production of hog fuel.

A study is under way to explore this possibility near Williams Lake, and a report is expected this spring.

Your committee recommends that a province-wide study of present and

future volumes of hog fuel production be undertaken and methods by

which it can most efficiently be utilized in various parts of the

Province be studied.

Your committee believes that the Research Council of British Columbia would be admirably suited to undertake such a study.)

Mr. Fraser of the special committee on expropriation presented the committee's report which was taken as read and received.

(Your special committee to study the report on expropriation begs leave to report as follows:

This committee has held five meetings for the consideration of the

report on expropriation of the Law Reform Commission. Dr. Gosse, one of

the members of the commission, attended two of our meetings. We wish to

express our appreciation to Dr. Gosse for his appearances before the

committee and for his help in explaining and clarifying the report of

the Law Reform Commission.

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The report of the Law Reform Commission is exceptionally

comprehensive in its script and contains a great many recommendations,

most of which are of a very fundamental nature. Individual members of

the committee have, to the extent that the breadth of the

recommendations allow, drawn some tentative and some firm conclusions.

In order for the committee as a whole, however, to gauge properly the

prospective effect of those recommendations, and in the event that they

are not all practicable, to choose which should be implemented by

legislation, it would be necessary, firstly, to hear the views held by

those who can forecast the effect from actual experience, and secondly,

to correlate those views and consolidate the various resulting opinions

of the committee members. For example, the Law Reform Commission's

suggestion with regard to a single acquisition agency is restricted to

one that consideration be given to the advantages of the procedures

mentioned, and expressly "not that steps should be taken to establish a

single acquisition agency or to designate a particular department to be

responsible for Crown expropriations, " such consideration, to be

carried out effectively, must be preceded by the acquisition of all

information available as to those advantages.

Therefore, the committee recognizes that:

A single statute to control expropriation is needed.

Government departments should study the subject with the objective

of drafting legislation prior to the 1973 session of the Legislature.

The proposed legislation be subjected to a committee of the

Legislature appointed for that purpose during the 1973 session, and so

recommends.)

Hon. Mr. Loffmark presents the 23rd annual report of the British

Columbia Hospital Insurance Service for the year ended December 31,1971.

Hon. Mr. Bennett moves adjournment of the House.

Motion approved.

The House adjourned at 11:10 p.m.

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