Manitoba Hansard — 10 March 2023 (Sitting 26, 42nd Legislature, 5th Session)

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Fifth Session – Forty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Myrna Driedger Speaker Vol. LXXVII No. 26 - 10 a.m., Friday, March 10, 2023 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Second Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALTOMARE, Nello Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma Union Station NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian Keewatinook NDP CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy Kildonan-River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Roblin PC EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne, Hon. Lac du Bonnet PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GORDON, Audrey, Hon. Southdale PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah, Hon.

Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek, Hon. Interlake-Gimli PC JOHNSTON, Scott, Hon. Assiniboia PC KHAN, Obby, Hon. Fort Whyte PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP KLEIN, Kevin E., Hon. Kirkfield Park PC LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMONT, Dougald St. Boniface Lib. LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya Notre Dame NDP MARTIN, Shannon McPhillips PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice, Hon.

Seine River PC MOSES, Jamie St. Vital NDP NAYLOR, Lisa Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg, Hon. Riding Mountain PC PEDERSEN, Blaine Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle, Hon. Turtle Mountain PC REDHEAD, Eric Thompson NDP REYES, Jon, Hon. Waverley PC SALA, Adrien St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron Springfield-Ritchot PC SMITH, Andrew, Hon. Lagimodière PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Vérendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC TEITSMA, James, Hon. Radisson PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff, Hon.

Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC Vacant Morden-Winkler

703 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Friday, March 10, 2023 The House met at 10 a.m. Madam Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to the welfare and prosperity of our province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that we may desire only that which is in accordance with Thy will, that we may seek it with wisdom and know it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for the glory and honour of Thy name and for the welfare of all our people.

We acknowledge we are gathered on Treaty 1 territory and that Manitoba is located on the treaty territories and ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg, Anishininewuk, Dakota Oyate, Denesuline and Nehethowuk nations. We acknowledge Manitoba is located on the Homeland of the Red River Métis. We acknowledge northern Manitoba includes lands that were and are the ancestral lands of the Inuit. We respect the spirit and intent of treaties and treaty making and remain committed to working in partner- ship with First Nations, Inuit and Métis people in the spirit of truth, reconciliation and collaboration.

Good morning, everybody. Please be seated. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Bill 25–The Workers Compensation Amendment Act (Wildfire Firefighters) Hon. Jon Reyes (Minister of Labour and Immigration): I, seconded by the Minister of Natural Resources–I move, seconded by the Minister of Natural Resources and Northern Dev elopment (Mr. Nesbitt), that Bill 25, The Workers Compensation Amendment Act (Wildfire Firefighters); Loi modifiant la

Loi sur les accidents du travail (pompiers affectés aux incendies échappés), be now read for a first time. Motion presented. Mr. Reyes: Madam Speaker, I'm pleased to introduce Bill 25, The Workers Compensation Amendment Act (Wildfire Fire fighters), which will include wildfire firefighters within the presumptive cancer and heart injury provisions other Manitoba fire fighters are currently eligible for under The Workers Compensation Act. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

Agreed? [Agreed] Bill 14–The Budget Implementation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2023 Hon. Cliff Cullen (Minister of Finance): I move, seconded by the Minister of Labour and Immigration, that Bill 14, The Budget Imple mentation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2023, be now read a first time. Motion presented. Mr. Cullen: I'm pleased to intro duce Bill 14, The Budget Implementation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2023. This bill implements historic tax relief for Manitobans, along with other administrative changes.

These measures provide the largest tax cut in our province's history, and continues to make Manitoba more affordable and competitive. I urge all members of the Legislative Assembly to support this bill in order to secure these tax savings for Manitobans. Without the passage of this bill, tax changes proposed in Budget 2023 will not come to bear for Manitobans. If the budget passes by June 1st, Manitobans will see an immediate addition of approxi- mately $50 per month to their paycheques, starting in July.

Once again, Madam Speaker, I look forward to this bill receiving unanimous consent in this House so Manitoba families can keep more of their hard-earned money starting July. Madam Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Agreed? [Agreed] Further introduction of bills? Bill 228–The Pay Transparency Act MLA Malaya Marcelino (Notre Dame): I move, seconded by the member for St. James (Mr. Sala), that Bill 228, The Pay Trans parency Act;

Loi sur la transparence salariale, be now read for a first time. Motion presented.

704 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 MLA Marcelino: I'm pleased to intro duce Bill 228, The Pay Transparency Act. Bill 228 would be a step towards stopping gender, disability and racial discrimination in the workplace. Bill 228 would require employers to include pay information on public job postings. It would also pre- vent employers from seeking pay history about employees, and it would require private sector employers with more than 100 employees to file a pay audit report that would include infor mation broken down by gender and diversity.

Bill 228 is a step towards pay equity for all, and I look forward to unanimous support from this House. Thank you. Madam Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Agreed? [Agreed] Committee reports? Tabling of reports? Minis - terial statements? MEMBERS' STATEMENTS The Back Door Youth Centre Mr. Blaine Pedersen (Midland): The Back Door Youth Centre in Carman was started in 1990 as a drop-in centre for area youth. Since its humble beginnings, the Back Door has now evolved to providing six scheduled programs for about 45 students. They also serve a weekly lunch for 60-plus students.

In total, the Back Door provides a drop-in centre for over 200 youth from Carman and the surrounding communities. The Pillar of Hope Capital Project is a $1.8-million expansion and renovation project currently under con- struction, consisting of a 4,096-square-foot addition and a full renovation to the adjoining existing building. The new building will include a 40- by-60 gym- nasium with a 20-foot ceiling. The entire building will be wheelchair acces sible, including the washrooms.

The new commercial kitchen will not only enhance food pre paration, but plans are in place for pro- gramming to teach students to cook healthy meals. Staff will also have offices for program preparation. To date, the Back Door has raised $1.43 million in grants and donations, including a $25,000 grant from the Province of Manitoba. The centre continues to actively fundraise to fully pay for this impressive facility. The Back Door Youth Centre provides a safe, enjoyable place for young people to gather. The centre continues to receive widespread community support.

We wish the Back Door Youth Centre in Carman continued success and thank them for the great work they do for the young people of our area. Madam Speaker: Members' statements? Pay Transparency MLA Malaya Marcelino (Notre Dame): Pay transpar- ency has become an increasingly desired asset in the job market, as more Manitobans want open discussions about their wages while they grapple with skyrocketing costs of living and ongoing pay discrepancies. Despite other attempts in workplace policy and in regulations, we still see gender, disability and racial discrimination in the workplace.

There are gaps in who currently benefits from pay transparency regula- tion, depending on if they are a federal ly or pro - vincially regulated employee. One of the hidden ways in which this occurs is through unfair pay practices for marginalized people. Because it is not socially normalized for people to discuss salary or compensation openly, discriminatory pay practices are able to continue without redress. * (10:10) Women in Manitoba make up almost 60 per cent of all minimum wage workers.

The current minimum wage is not a livable wage, and because of the high cost of living and continually rising inflation, any adjustments to the minimum wage that the govern - ment has offered are null. Knowing that the most marginalized people including women, gender - diverse peoples, single mothers are disproportionately living at minimum wage, which is already not ade - quate, effectively means this government is leaving them behind. Today, I have introduced a bill which seeks to solve this problem.

Bill 228 seeks to make salary or pay transparent from the outset with applications, prevents employers from seeking pay history about employees and requires large private sector employers to file a pay audit report that would include informa - tion broken down by gender and diversity. This issue is a real and material contributor to poverty and marginalization of already marginalized communities, and correctly addressing the matter would show that we do truly care about pay equity. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 705 Transcona Legion Ladies Auxiliary Hon. James Teitsma (Minister of Consumer Protection and Government Services): Madam Speaker, 95 years is a long time; 95 years ago, it was 1928 and the town of Transcona was young but bustling. They had electricity, but not much of it. Indoor plumbing was uncommon. The now ancient CN 2747 steam locomotive engine resting at a park along Plessis avenue had just rolled off the production line in Transcona two years earlier.

The longest serving premier in Manitoba history, John Bracken, was about one third of the way through his 19- year term in office. One thing that wasn't so different 95 years ago than today was the flood of Ukrainian immigrants flowing into Transcona. River East Transcona is ex- periencing a higher per capita influx of Ukrainian immigrants fleeing Russia's unjust war than any other school division in Canada. I wouldn't be surprised if the same stat was true 95 years ago. Yes, 95 years is a long time. Some things change and some things stay the same.

One of the things that stayed the same is the Transcona Legion and their then- newly established ladies auxiliary. Yes, just over 95 yea rs ago on January 28th, 1928, the ladies auxiliary of the Royal Canadian Legion Branch 7 in Transcona was born and they have been active in our community ever since. They generally meet monthly. So, to put that in perspective, that is 1,143 monthly meetings, although I imagine a few of them may have been cancelled during COVID. They regularly hold fundraisers, everything from meat draws to champagne breakfasts or selling some oh- so-delicious perogies.

And they give back to our com munity in so, so many way s. They have supported so many genera tions of Transconians that there is not a com munity member that has not been touched by their generous hearts. They are an essential part of the fabric of our com- munity, and I am so pleased that some of them could join us today. So please join me in welcoming Celeste West, the president, Joan Sylvester and Joan Pearcy and in congratulating them on 95 amazing years of service in our community. Budget 2023 Mr. Jamie Moses (St. Vital): Every day, I hear from constituents and neighbours in St. Vital who are struggling.

Members on our side of the House hear every day about Manitobans who are suffering because of the decisions from this PC gov ernment, the ones that they've made. We hear about the impacts of ever-increasing wait times in emergency rooms. Manitobans tell me about how long they've been waiting for their surgery or diagnostic tests. St. Vital seniors, under this government, now have to travel longer for blood work because of the PC's privatizat ion plan, and residents in southeast Winnipeg remember the closure of the QuickCare clinic.

We see the crisis in staffing shortages in our health-care system and know that Manitobans deserve better. We feel the cuts in education as classrooms get bigger a nd support services are harder to find. We know it's been difficult. And Manitobans are looking for hope. Unfortunately, that was dashed with this year's budget, which failed to address childhood poverty, failed to address the climate crisis, failed to make life affordable for renters and failed to provide meaningful health care for international students and failed to provide any meaningful plan to fix our health- care system.

This budget just doesn't make up for the years of cuts to our health-care system and education. And we can't trust them not to make these same cuts again. After seven years of cuts, Manitobans cannot trust the failed Pallister-Stefanson governments. But there's hope. With an election this year, there is hope. Manitobans know the challenges we all face because of this government's poor record. The good news is that the NDP team is ready to get to work. And I'm glad to be part of the Manitoba NDP–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr.

Moses: –a team ready to deliver the change, fix– [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Moses: –the chaos in health care and deliver for Manitobans. Birtle Collegiate's Wellness Room Hon. Greg Nesbitt (Minister of Natural Resources and Northern Development): A port in the storm, a compass in the lives of adolescents and youth, Birtle Collegiate has opened its doors to a student -centred Wellness Room, the first of its kind for their students in grades 5 to 12.

706 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 Our new Wellness Room at BCI is simply a quiet, calming space for students to work, study, read, breathe and take a mindful break when needed, said BCI counsellor Josie Simard, and teacher Tanis Cheasley. Although the school had been proactive regarding the mental health and well -being of students long before COVID-19, the Wellness Room became a col- laborative development that grew from the drawn-out effects that the pandemic brought. The two teachers saw a struggling student body that needed help coping.

Of course, every plan requires financing, which resulted in an application to the Teachers' Idea Fund through the Department of Education. The grant money was to be used for many things, including art sessions and supplies, training, increased guidance time and presentations. COVID-19 restrictions made all the plans origin- ally outlined in the grant not possible, prompting a change in direction.

The grant committee agreed to allow the school to use a portion of the funds to create a space for students that could be used long- term, which not only promotes mental wellness but provides the space to practise taking care of themselves in a positive way. The newly established Wellness Room at BCI adds even further to the work the school has done in prioritizing mental health by providing a safe space. The room is decorated with positive quotes and visual reminders of how to practise deep breathing and use different mental health tools.

Congratulations to the Birtle Collegiate for con - tinuing the ongoing work of providing resources and education around mental health for both staff and students. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Speaker's Statement Madam Speaker: I would like to take a moment now to draw your attention to the Clerk's table, as we have a significant birthday to observe today. Someone who has given her heart and soul to this Assembly for several decades is deserving of some special attention on this occasion. I would ask the House to please join me in singing Happy Birthday to our Clerk, Patricia Chaychuk. Happy Birthday was sung.

Madam Speaker: And apparently there's treats, sugar treats and cheese and crackers and maybe some other things in the Clerk's office if anybody wants to drop by. * * * Madam Speaker: And in the –in keeping with that happy spirit, I–we turn now to oral questions. ORAL QUESTIONS Dedicated Stroke Unit Budget 2022 Promise MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): Madam Speaker, just like Brian Pallister, the Premier says one thing but does another when it comes to health care.

In the Premier's last budget, her government promised a new stroke unit for Manitobans, and year after year this has been promised by this gov ernment and not delivered on. We know the PC gov ernment's cuts have deci - mated the neurology program in Manitoba, with doctors leaving and patients waiting for tests and treatment. A new acute stroke unit is needed. Can the gov ernment and the Premier tell the House why her gov ernment has failed to keep its promise to create a new stroke unit for Manitoba patients? * (10:20) Hon.

Heather Stefanson (Premier): Before I get to the issue at hand, I just want to also extend a very happy birthday to the Clerk. You have been an absolutely in credible indivi - dual who's helped us out so much in the Legis lative Assembly. We want to just thank you so much for everything that you do, and happy birthday. Madam Speaker, we also recognized–certainly, in this budget and prior to this, we've been making sig- nificant investments in health care in the province of Manitoba. In fact, 22 per cent increase over our time in office to the health cut–care budget.

This last year, $668 million more dedi cated to health care in this budget–a 9.2 per cent increase. That's more invest - ments, not less. We certainly recognize there's more to do. That's why we're committed to doing that for Manitobans. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Union Station, on a supplementary question.

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 707 Health Sciences Centre ER Nurse Vacancy Rate MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): Madam Speaker, you'll notice in the Premier's response, she made absolutely no mention of a new stroke unit in Manitoba, and the most recent data we have shows the depths of the crisis in our health-care system. FIPPA documents, that I'll table, show the vacancy rate for nurses at the Health Sciences emergency room was at 35 per cent in the emergency and critical care departments.

That's the situation in our biggest hospital right now, and it means workers are being run off their feet while patients are suffering. This is a crisis and it needs to be recognized as such. Will the Premier acknowl edge there's a crisis at the Health Sciences Centre emergency room? Hon. Heather Stefanson (Premier): Well, I appreciate the questions from the members opposite, because it allows me to put some facts on the record, Madam Speaker. The facts are, Madam Speaker, that we are invest- ing $200 million in our health human resources.

We recognize the challenges that are faced , not just here in Manitoba, but right across this great country of ours. We recognize there's challenges with shortages of health-care providers, so we are making significant investments there. We are also making sig nificant invest ments– $110 million last year, a–$30 million this year in our surgical and diagnos tic backlogs, Madam Speaker. We recognize there's more work to be done.

We are also investing more than $50 million, along with the Health Sciences Centre Foundation, towards more operating capacity at the Health Sciences Centre alone, which will help reduce those backlogs. So, we are making significant investments in our health-care system, a 9.2 per cent increase in this budget alone, Madam Speaker. We will continue to deliver services for Manitobans. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Union Station, on a final supplementary.

Health System Reform Government Record MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): Madam Speaker, the biggest challenge our health-care system faces is the fact that this gov ernment doesn't know how to run it. The reason we're in this health -care crisis is because of the cuts ordered by Brian Pallister and implemented by the Premier as Health minister. On this side of the House, we know those cuts hurt health care, but the Premier seems oblivious. According to her, and I quote, Madam Speaker: I will say, though, the consolidation that did take place, you know, we got some pretty good results. End quote.

These are the results, Madam Speaker–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. MLA Asagwara: One in three vacant positions at HSC emergency and broken promises and empty an- nouncements for seniors and patients who need stroke care in Manitoba. Does the Premier agree that Brian Pallister's cuts to health care hurt? Hon. Heather Stefanson (Premier): Madam Speaker, we have made more than a 22 per cent increase into the investment into our health-care budget since we came to office in 2016. That is more dollars going towards health care in our province, not less.

It allows me, Madam Speaker, the opportunity to talk about all of the wonderful investments that we are making in our health-care system, because we want to ensure that our health- care system is there for those who need it: $130 million to reduce the diagnostic and surgical backlog; continuing to invest $200 million into the health human re source action plan ; a $120-million infusion into the Pharmacare program. Now, I know members opposite want to laugh about that, Madam Speaker, but we don't think it's funny. There are Manitobans out there, seniors who– [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mrs.

Stefanson: –have access to this –services. We are going to make sure that our seniors have access to the Pharmacare that they need when they need it. Madam Speaker: The honour able member for St. James. The honourable member for St. James. Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Madam Speaker: Order. Child-Care Services $10-a-Day Program Mr. Adrien Sala (St. James): Just like Brian Pallister, this Premier says one thing but does another.

708 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 Parents in child -care centres were very disap - pointed to learn that we will not see $10 -a-day child care in Manitoba. The government's own docu ments state clearly – [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Sala: –that parents will have to pay double–$20 a day–for child care, nearly 20 per cent of the year. It's just one more example of how PC an nouncements– [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Sala: –don't match reality. Why is the gov ernment failing to deliver on $10-a-day child care for Manitoba families?

Madam Speaker: I'm going to ask for ev erybody's co-operation, please. I'm having difficulty hearing. There is a noise level in here that, if that carries through oral questions, I'm not going to be able to hear. And if you want me to be able to see if somebody is breaking any rules or to respond to any parti cular issues, I'm going to need to be able to hear. So, I'm asking for everybody's co-operation, please. Hon. Wayne Ewasko (Minister of Education and Early Childhood Learning): Thank you for that guidance.

It's unfor tunate that, once again, the NDP are showing how absolutely disrespectful they are for not only the rules in the House, but also the rules outside this Chamber, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, $10 a day for regular day child care. There are so many Manitobans that are ab - solutely thrilled with this an nouncement three years ahead of schedule. The only reason, Madam Speaker, that the member for St. James is so upset today is because they didn't do it; they couldn't do it; they had no plans; they couldn't partner with the sector. We're following through.

We're getting it done for the affordability of all Manitobans. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. James, on a supplementary question. Mr. Sala: The minister can spin all he wants, but all he's doing is proving why Manitobans cannot trust this government. The gov ernment's own documents state clearly that we do not have $10-a-day child care in Manitoba. I'll table the docu ments so the minister can review them. It's just another failure for the PC government. Manitoba parents were told one thing, but when the bill comes due, they realize it's just another broken promise from this PC gov ernment.

There's a real op- portunity, Madam Speaker, to actually invest in making child care more affordable by making all child care $10 a day. Will the Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) do so today? [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Ewasko: Madam Speaker, contrary to what the member from St. James is putting on the record today, which I hope he will stand up and apologize to the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of Manitobans that are benefitting from this–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. * (10:30) Mr. Ewasko: Madam Speaker, I need to read this to you. So, it's –I'm reading a text and a quote from a Manitoban.

It says: Hi, Minister. It is blah, blah, blah. I just read the exciting news about $10-a-day daycare and–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Ewasko: –I just wanted to say thank you. Between child care and driving to the city , it was actually cheaper for me not to work. I am so excited to get back to work and actually be able to afford to–our child in daycare full time. Thank you so, so much. On behalf of our government, Madam Speaker, I am proud– Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired. Order. Order. I'm going to call members to order. The honourable member for St. James, on a final supplementary. Mr.

Sala: We know the PCs froze child-care funding for seven years. Manitobans know that. This Premier was the minister respon sible for that freeze under Brian Pallister, and the Premier even raised fees on nursery school children. It's a terrible record and it's being made worse by the fact that the gov ernment is misleading Manitobans about how much they'll have to pay for child care. The gov ernment's own documents show – [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order.

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 709 Mr. Sala: –that they're not being honest, and we table those today. Will the Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) listen and actually implement $10-a-day child care for every day of the year today? Madam Speaker: I'm going to ask the Minister of Education, in reading from a text, he should also then table that infor mation for the House, as he read directly from a text. But I will now recog nize him to respond. Mr. Ew asko: So, Madam Speaker, it's just unfor - tunate that the member opposite is standing in the House and putting absolutely disinformation on the record.

To read directly from the news release, which is public, which, you can read it–I know that literacy is difficult for over there, but–Manitoba is going above and beyond our commitment by maxing out all parent fees to a $10 -a-day for children 12 and under for regular hours of care. And we are achieving this historic goal three years in advance, Madam Speaker. We are building –we are increasing spaces. We are increasing affordability. We are increasing reten - tion and recruitment, Madam Speaker. We're–we've increased wages. I've got more information. I'm hoping they stand up on another question, Madam Spea ker.

We can do this all day. Home-Care Services Constituent Case Concern Mrs. Bernadette Smith (Point Douglas): Just like Brian Pallister, this Premier is cutting home care. Over a month ago, we wrote to the Health Minister regardi ng a challenge facing 74- year-old Linda Normand, who requires home care due to a number of medical conditions. But weeks lather–later, this senior is not receiving the care that she needs. It's disrespectful to our seniors that this PC government is failing to provide adequate home care to our seniors.

When will this minister admit that the real damage done by their PC gov ernment cuts to home care for seniors, and apologize to the people of Manitoba for the damage that they've done and the care that they've failed to give to our seniors who have helped build this province? Hon.

Scott Johnston (Minister of Seniors and Long-Term Care): I would agree with the member that seniors have built this great province of Manitoba, and that's why this gov ernment has indicated a 72 per cent increase in this de partment's budget and will continue to support seniors with the initiatives that I've indicated already and will continue to bring forward as far as initiatives to fulfill the needs of seniors. In regards to the home-care situation, yes, there is challenges in regards to staffing, and this government is addressing and finding solutions to that.

That's why we brought forward the self - and family-care invest- ment of $12.6 million, and other initiati ves that are coming forward, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Point Douglas, on a supplementary question. Mrs. Smith: Our health -care system is in a crisis because of Brian Pallister and this Premier, and we continue to hear story a fter story from seniors and their families on their struggles to access home care. Linda Normand has re peatedly expressed her concerns to the hare–home -care program.

Her visits frequently are cancelled on short notice, sometimes resulting in stretches of several days with no care whatsoever. But this Premier ignored her request for help. When will this minister acknowledge that the PCs' 20 per cent vacancy rate in home -care staff is leaving seniors abandoned, alone and without the care that they need? Mr. Johnston: Again, this government is about find- ing solutions, and we will continue to find solutions to the challenges faced.

That's why the invest ment that this government has put into the Seniors and Long- Term Care Depart ment of an incre ase of 72 per cent is so significant. Through information that my colleague in Health has provided, since January the 1st, there's been 50 new home-care workers that have been employed in the province of Manitoba. There's 150 that are targeted for the end of June, and another 150 that are targeted for the fall. Madam Chair, we're on it. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Point Douglas, on a final supplementary. Mrs.

Smith: This minister is worse than the last one, and is looking for excuses to cover up the problems that their cuts have caused. But even after–[interjection]

710 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 Madam Speaker: Order. Mrs. Smith: –Linda–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mrs. Smith: Even after Linda finally was forced to make a complaint, things have not im proved. She is still not getting the care that she needs. That's a terrible way to treat our seniors here in this province. When will this minister ensure that home -care staff have the support and resources required to 'adequally' provide care for our seniors here in our province? Mr.

Johnston: Again, I concur with the member that this–thus–that seniors need support from home care, and that's exactly what this government is focusing on delivering. Again, 12.6 investment into–$12.6 million invest- ment–into self and family care as well as delivering, in the near future, a further modernization of home care for the province of–for the seniors in the province of Manitoba. We're continuing to fulfill our obligations, Madam Speaker. Speed Limit on Highway 59 Request to Reduce Mr. Ian Bushie (Keewatinook): Road safety is something that all Manitobans care about.

We know that slower speed limits can reduce collisions with pedestrians and save lives. Currently, Highway 59 runs directly through Brokenhead Ojibway Nation, yet the speed limit is 80 kilometres per hour. The com munity has been advocating for the Province to take action to reduce the speed limit on Highway 59 through the com mu- nity to 59 kilometres an hour–to 50 kilometres an hour to increase safety. Will the minister listen to their concerns, and decrease the speed limit through the com munity today? Hon.

Doyle Piwniuk (Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure): I just want to say to the member from Keewatinook that we have –actually have met with the First Nations commu nity; we know the importance when it comes to road safety, especially in communities, and cities and towns, and especially First Nations communities. We are talking with the First Nations community. Chief Bluesky–we've actually had a meeting with him. My staff has had meetings with them, and dis - cussing this matter. The thing is, we have to make sure it's a corridor that –major corridor that goes through that community.

We want to make sure that we have the right solution. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Keewatinook, on a supplementary question. Mr. Bushie: I once again had discussion with Chief Bluesky 45 minutes ago, and the concern still remains. Highway 59 runs directly through Brokenhead Ojibway Nation, with homes and schools on either side of the highway. Pedestrians, including children, often cross the highway, yet the speed limit is still 80 kilometres per hour. Many of Manitoba's com munities have high - ways that run through them, yet the speed limit drops down to 50 kilometres or less in those com munities.

Brokenhead Ojibway Nation wants the same approach for their community. Will the minister commit to reducing the speed on Highway 59 within the Brokenhead Ojibway Nation? Mr. Pi wniuk: You know, again, road safety is No. 1 issue when it–No. 1 priority when it comes to Manitoba Transportation and Infrastructure. Our staff are working 'dilingently' to make sure that we review the situation and –Brokenhead First Nation com mu- nity. * (10:40) We know that there's a school that children–to cross. We made sure that we actually had a digital sign to make sure that traffic slows down at an 80-kilometre zone.

And this is very im portant and we're going to continue reviewing this matter and will continue working with the First Nation community. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Keewatinook, on a final supplementary. Mr. Bushie: Putting up another sign that, again, says 80 when it's already 80 does not help. Every year, dozens of Manitobans die on our roads, including many pedestrians. We know that the slower the speed of the vehicle, the greater the chance of survival for those involved in that crash.

That's exactly why Brokenhead Ojibway Nation wants to see a reduction to Highway 59 speed limit within their com- munity. Will the minister commit to improving road safety and reduce Highway 59 speed limit to 50 kilometres an hour or less through the Brokenhead Ojibway Nation?

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 711 Mr. Piwniuk: Madam Speaker, I just want to say, too, that when it came to meeting with Chief Bluesky and his council, I also met with–the Minister of Economic Development also met at the same time, and he actually represents that riding and he knows the importance of the care when it comes to making sure that–the safety. But we're looking at–because we're reviewing with the First Nation community, we're looking at a long - term solution there, Madam Speaker. We're investing in our highways. We invested over $1.5 billion in the last three years.

We actuall y came up with a budget over–a five -year budget now, for the first time in Manitoba history. We came out with a five -year budget and we're going to be investing in our high- ways and this community as a long-term solution. Manitoba Student Aid Difficulties Accessing Program Mr. Jamie Moses (St. Vital): Despite months of complaints and repeated questioning from this side of the House, there are still persistent issues with Manitoba Student Aid. Long wait –call wait times, a lack of con sistent case wor kers and long waits for information are just a sample of what we hear from constituents.

Students shouldn't have to sit on hold for hours just to speak with someone to get the aid that they need and that they deserve. Will the minister finally commit to taking action to fixing the problems with Manitoba Student Aid? Hon. Sarah Guillemard (Minister of Advanced Education and Training): I appreciate the question coming from the member opposite. There has been a transition period time over the last number of months as we amalgamate with the federal student aid program, to make it a seamless transition for students getting access to student aid both from the federal and provincial governments.

There have been some glitches and hiccups that our 'da rpartment' has been addressing for students. In addition to that, in this year's budget, we are in- creasing the amount of our student aid to help more students achieve their post-secondary education. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Vital, on a supplementary question. Constituent Case Concern Mr. Moses: I recently heard from a mother whose son is having issues with Manitoba Student Aid. Her son is a –has several clinically diagnosed disabilities, including ADHD, anxiety and high - functioning autism.

Yet, after submitting the necessary paperwork to have this disability status acknowledged, Manitoba Student Aid rejected it, as they do not accept psychological 'axessments' older than seven years. The cost to be reassessed was quoted at $3, 500, which Manitoba Student Aid does not cover. Can the minister explain why Manitoba Student Aid is forcing applicants to pay for expensive psychological assessments? Mrs. Guillemard: Our student aid program is set up specifically to help students with their costs of living as they're seeking their post-secondary education.

This specific case I am happy to take back to the department and look at more details. This is not the appropriate place to debate specific casework, on the floor, but I am ha ppy to look at those details and I know that our government is committed to supporting all Manitobans who are seeking post -secondary edu- cation opportunities. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Vital, on a final supplementary. Manitoba Student Aid Program Grants for Students with Disabilities Mr. Jamie Moses (St.

Vital): Manitoba Student Aid clients can also apply for Canada Student Grant for Students with Permanent Dis abilities. These grants are dispersed by provinces and are fully re imbursed by the federal government. Manitoba 'applicanch'–application says that appli- cants can receive $8,000. Yet, in 2019 the federal gov- ernment increased the grant to $20,000. Now, other provinces, such as Alberta and BC, offer the full twenty-five–$20,000 grant. So, can the minister explain why, in Manitoba, it's only offering $8,000 and not the full grant amount? Hon.

Sarah Guillemard (Minister of Advanced Education and Training): Again, I appre ciate the opportunity to be able to stand and share some very good news with the member opposite. We have the lowest tuition fees for students in western Canada. We are– other jurisdictions in other provinces have to offer other incentives to attract students, Madam Speaker. We keep our tui tion fees low. We keep our student aid levels appro priate for those who are seeking that extra support, and our bursary programs have had an injection of more

712 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 money in this year's budget to help more Manitoba students afford their education. We attract students because of our low rates and the affordability of our post-secondary institutions. Home Security Rebate Program Request to Implement Mr. Jim Maloway (Elmwood): My question is to the Premier (Mrs. Stefanson). Madam Speaker, residents in northeast Winnipeg repeatedly tell me of their top concern is com munity safety. We know that the root causes of crime are complex and there's no quick fix.

However, there are measures the province could take today to help reduce crime. Spe cifically, the province could implement a home security rebate program. Will they do this today? Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Madam Speaker: Order. Hon. Rochelle Squires (Minister of Families): I ap- preciate the member's question about public safety, and we understand that addressing some of the root causes is paramount. And that is why our government recently invested over $58 million in this year's budget on a homeless - ness strategy to ensure that everybody has a place to call home.

That is why we're creating new opportun- ities. That is why we're partnering with Mental Health and Community Wellness–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Ms. Squires: –to ensure the people coming into housing have those wraparound supports, so that they can receive t he services and the supports that they need. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Ms. Squires: And I appreciate that the members oppo- site don't want to listen. They never addressed the pro- blem of dealing with complex issues and homelessness when they were in office. They never did anything to address this.

Our government is taking action so that we can get better results for all. Madam Speaker: The honour able member for Elmwood, on a supplementary question. Mr. Maloway: My question is actually to the Premier. Madam Speaker, Manitobans want to feel safe in their homes. Home security devices, such as cameras, not only make people safer, but they also deter bur - glaries and theft. Yet these devices can be costly. Other jurisdictions have taken a proactive approach and provided rebates for home security devices. We should be doing the same here in Manitoba.

Will the Premier commit to implementing a home security rebate program today? Ms. Squires: Of course, we want all Manitobans to feel safe in their home, and that is why our gov ern- ment is making historic investments in a justice plan. That is why our government is making historic invest- ments in also ensuring that everybody has a home. Under the NDP, a lot of people didn't have a home. And under the NDP, they failed to address the root causes of homelessness, and they failed to address the–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Ms. Squires: –challenges that many people were facing.

And so, that is why our government is committing more into social housing. That is why we've com - mitted to building 700 new units of social and afford- able housing this year, so that people can – [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Ms. Squires: –feel safe in their homes and they can also have a home to live in. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: The honour able member for Elmwood, on a final supplementary. Mr. Maloway: My final question is to the Premier, and I was hoping to get an answer to this question today. * (10:50) We know that Ma nitobans are concerned about safety in their com munities.

They want actions to address the root causes of crime over the long term. But they also want short -term actions such as imple - menting a home security rebate program. This pro- gram would help Mani toba invest in home security devices like cameras, that would reduce crime by deterring burglaries and theft. Will the PCs commit to imple menting a home security rebate program today? [interjection]

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 713 Madam Speaker: Order. Hon. Jeff Wharton (Acting Minister of Justice and Attorney General): We know that assaults and homicides in the city of Winnipeg and the–Manitoba, Madam Speaker, are on the rise. We are taking action. Our government is taking action. And clearly, with the federal changes to the Criminal Code we know that getting folks out on bail early that should still be in carcerated, Madam Speaker, is wrong. And that's why the Minister of Justice (Mr.

Goertzen) is working hard with his col - leagues across Canada to ensure that these repeat offenders stay off the streets of Manitoba. And, Madam Speaker, one more thing. We're also investing in $3 million in integrated violent offender apprehension unit; $4.1 million and 10 new pro- secutors for gang violence and organized crime; $54 million for overall violent crime strategy. And, Madam Speaker, the member from St. Johns– the member for St. Johns (MLA Fontaine), and I quote– the House–to stop altogether giving C PF funds for policing institutions–that's the wrong approach. We'll get it right.

Physician Shortage in Manitoba Recruitment and Retention Funding Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): On November 24th, 2022, Doctors Manitoba released a report stating that physician shortages in Manitoba had hit an all - time high. This is what Dr. Candace Bradshaw said then: Without a big change, the physician shortage is projected to get even worse in the short term, with 43 per cent physicians planning of retiring, leaving Manitoba or reducing their clinical hours, with three quarters of them leav ing because they're fed up with the way the system is run.

Keeping the people we have here should be our top priority, but there's no new money to do that in the budget. Yesterday, Dr. Bradshaw criticized the gov - ernment, saying: Physician and recruitm ent and retention funding was cut by $1.6 million in 2017, and it has never recovered. Can the 'pleen'–Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) explain this historic oversight as to why we're not keeping doctors here in Manitoba? Hon.

Audrey Gordon (Minister of Healt h): I'm pleased–our government is pleased to be working col- laboratively with Doctors Manitoba to ensure our physicians stay in the province, and that we're able to recruit and train new physicians, Madam Speaker. That is why we have increased the numb er of seats for physician training to 80, Madam Speaker; 40 undergraduate physician seats, 10 inter national medical graduate seats, 30 two-year post-grad medical seats for internationally educated medical students. And I'm not sure if the member for S t.

Boniface has seen the news release today from the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba, to enable inter- nationally educated doctors to work in Manitoba sooner. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Boniface, on a supplementary question. Mr. Lamont: I have read the news release, because there's nothing to actually keep those doctors here. We have one of the worst physician shortages in Canada. This is what Dr. Bradshaw said yesterday, quote: We had 20 recom mendations in our rural healt h summit last September; only four of those have been acted on.

The fact that recom mendations were made four months ago and promises were made four months ago in November, and I still sit here with holes in a checklist that should be checked by now, is not acceptable, Dr. Bradshaw said, as I table. We're down 400 doctors. Why does this budget spend more on out-of-province doctors than we are on attracting and keeping the ones we have? Ms. Gordon: These are the facts: in terms of retention of physicians, we've extended primary -care patient hours for family and pediatric clinics, and I was pleased to make that an nouncement standing side by side with Doctors Manitoba.

Madam Speaker, $450,000 for physician mental health supports through the peer support program, $5 million for new emergency -care vectors to vir - tually support patient transfers and we continue to partner with Doctors Manitoba to reduce physician administrative burden by esta blishing a joint task force. And I have–will have more to say on that next week. But, Madam Speaker, we are working with Doctors Manitoba to get the job done.

714 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 Home-Care Services Federal Funding Agreement Ms. Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): About five hours ago, the Manitoba Nurses Union an- nounced that they heard hundreds of home-care visits have been cancelled between now and Monday. This is completely unacceptable and further high- lights the crisis happening right now in our province. This government signed a home -care agreement six years ago with the federal government. So where is this money? Why haven't the home - care workers seen it, and what is this Health Minister going to do to address it immediately?

Hon. Scott Johnston (Minister of Seniors and Long-Term Care): As I've indicated a number of times in the House, our government is fully aware of the demands and the needs of home care. And we continue to fulfill our obligations to ensure that we are finding solutions. And we will continue to do that, Madam Speaker. And as per the infor mation that the member has brought forward, the Minister of Health (Ms. Gordon) and myself will certainly deliberate over that. Community Celebrations Program Announcement of Fund Recipients Mr.

Ian Wishart (Portage la Prairie): Manitoba's arts, culture and sports sectors make essential contribu- tions to individual, community health and well-being, and contribute to jobs and to Manitoba's economy. Celebrations, festivals, fall suppers, and similar com- munity-based events offer a unique oppor tunity for Manitobans to come together to celebrate their culture, heritage and community. I understand the Minister of Sport, Culture and Heritage recently announced the first recipients of this fund to support these events. Can the minister speak more on this milestone? Hon.

Obby Khan (Minister of Sport, Culture and Heritage): Thank you to my colleague from Portage la Prairie for that great question. Madam Speaker, our government is proud to support community organizations through the Arts, Culture and Sport Community Fund, allowing them to innovate and respond to emerging community needs. Earlier this week, I was honoured to announce the Manitoba government is awarding $323,000 to 67 community celebration events. Our first intake, I was proud to announce 59 com- munity events for $260,000. I would like to congratu- late all of the grant–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr.

Khan: –recipients for their hard work and dedi - cation in staging such successful events. I will try my best to attend all the events. I encourage all Manitobans to get out and enjoy community celebrations together, just like our govern- ment supports. Madam Speaker: The honour able member for Burrows. [interjection] Order. Education System Funding Seven Oaks School Division Mr. Diljeet Brar (Burrows): Madam Speaker, parents, educators and Burrows residents are concerned about this PC government's continuous cuts to educa- tion in our province.

Schools across the province have been grappling with budgeta ry restraints for years under the PC government, which have forced them to cut staff and trim programs. Once again, Seven Oaks School Division is faced with another sig nificant provincial funding shortfall this year, and as many as 50 staff positions may be cut. Students in our province deserve the supports they need to succeed in the classroom. Will the minister finally put an end to their cuts, and fully fund Education today? Hon.

Wayne Ewasko (Minister of Education and Early Childhood Learn ing): Madam Speaker, I'm not quite sure if I have enough time left on the clock, but I'm going to try my best to try to get all the infor- mation I have to share in regards to the member's question. It's very interesting that the member from Burrows stood up to ask an Education question, because obviously his leader doesn't have the faith in the current Education critic, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, Seven Oaks School Division funding has increased $3.3 million this year. That's a 3.8 per cent increase–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr.

Ewasko: –that's within the $100-million increase that we've provided to the K -to-12 system this year, Madam Speaker. That's a 6.1 per cent increase for all of all of your students.

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 715 Madam Speaker, I just had a great meeting yesterday– Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired. * (11:00) The honourable member for Burrows, on a sup- plementary question. Mr. Brar: Madam Speaker, Manitobans do not trust this minister or the members opposite. I attended a public budget meeting on February 27th, and Seven Oaks School Division showed funding is not keeping pace with enrolment and inflation. Families in Burrows are frustrated with this government's cuts to education.

They know that cuts mean less one-on-one time for their children, less program ming and staff burnout. Students are finally recovering from having their schooling disrupted due to the pandemic. Now, more than ever, our students need more support to catch up. This is not the time to take reso urces and programs away from kids– Madam Speaker: Member's time has expired. Mr. Ewasko: Madam Speaker, I'm not quite sure if I missed the news release on their critic shuffles, but I would like to congratu late and welcome all the stu - dents in the gallery joining us today.

It gives me, Madam Speaker, an op portunity to put some truth on the record. The member, who's the new critic for Education, I guess, put some false infor- mation on the record. Since 2016-17, Madam Speaker, we have increased Seven Oaks School Division by 26.5 per cent increase in their funding. According to the Canada inflation calculator, inflation since 2016 is 21 per cent. We're funding education above inflation. We will continue to work hard on behalf of all these great students in the gallery, Madam Speaker, and they– Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired. The time for oral questions has expired.

The honour able member for Concordia, on a point of order. Point of Order Mr. Matt Wiebe (Concordia): I do wish to rise on a point of order and one that I do believe will be fairly straightforward for yourself to rule on. This is very clear in the rules. The sessional order that is governing our House clearly states that, quote, members participating in a sitting of the House or a committee proceeding may use electronic devices in silent mode. During oral questions, such devices should be kept below the desk or table and out of the camera's view. End quote.

Clearly, during question period, the Minister of Education held up his phone and read a quote. Now, I did hear that you are– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Madam Speaker: Order. Order. We need to hear the point of order. Mr. Wiebe: I'm surprised the members don't respect the rules in the House but, certainly, I think it's impor- tant that we have a clear ruling on this. And why I do think it's important, Madam Speaker, is that while I understand that you have indicated to the member that he should table that tweet or text or document or whatever, I do think that there is – [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order.

Mr. Wiebe: –a larger question that does need to be answered here, and that is how those texts are actually tabled in the House and what personal infor mation may be shared. And if the member for Lac du Bonnet (Mr. Ewasko) wants to bring a quote from a constituent or from a stakeholder into this House, he needs to be clear that that information about that person needs to be shared as well with the House. I'm not sure if he had permission to do so, and I think that's very concerning.

And if he did have permission, then I guess the question is: will the ad ditional infor mation, contact information, et cetera, be tabled as well? So, while I understand, again, that it's a very straightforward ruling–that the minister is, obviously, out of order and has broken the rules of this House – what I think is more concerning is that he has brought a text message into this House that may not have the relevant infor mation that he has been give n permission to share.

So, again, I think it's an easy ruling on one side, but I do think there's more that needs to be looked into, and I hope that the Speaker will take this request for a point of order seriously. Thank you.

716 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 Madam Speaker: The honour able Minister of Education, on that same point of order. Mr. Ewasko: Yes. Thank you, Madam Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to stand up and to put a few words on the record in regard to the point of order brought forward by the member for Concordia (Mr. Wiebe).

And, as you know, and as all members in this House know, that over my, I guess, 11 and a half years being in this wonderful building and having the privilege and honour of serving the constituents –the Lac du Bonnet con stituency, I more than follow the rules, Madam Speaker. On today's occasion, I did want to share, because the line of questioning was absolutely total misin - formation being put on the record by the member for St. James (Mr. Sala), and so I felt that it was an oppor- tunity to share some words that I had received from a constituent, Madam Speaker.

I have no problem tabling the document that I – and I will endeavour to do that once the House rises today–because, in fact, Madam Speaker, that line of questioning that was happening on the fact of $10-a-day daycare is changing lives here in Manitoba, and we just want to make sure that we're sharing those good-news stories. Because I know for a fact that there's thousands of Manitobans that are benefitting from that $10 -a-day, regular day daycare– Madam Speaker: Order. Order. Order. The member is getting into debate now, and not speaking to the point of order.

He may have made his point already–[interjection] Order. Order. [interjection] No, I know. The minister has concluded his comments? An Honourable Member: Almost. Madam Speaker: Oh. The honour able Minister of Education, just to conclude his rebuttal to the point of order. Mr. Ewasko: Absolutely, Madam Speaker. And, as usual, as I've had the pleasure of being in this House for 11 and a half years now, I appre ciate your guidance, and I will definitely be tabling the good- news message that I received from a con stituent on our $10-a-day daycare for regular days. So thank you, Madam Speaker, for that.

Madam Speaker: The honourable member for River Heights on that same point of order. Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, I want to say a few words on this point of order. I think it is important that there be clarification on the use of electronic materials–iPhones, smartphones, et cetera. You know, there was–during this question period, when one of the members was asking a question, there was somebody sitting beside them, and their phone was buzzing. And you could hear –over the speaker, you could hear the buzzing.

And so, there are other things that need to be looked at in terms of making sure that the electronics are not interrupting. I'm pleased that the member will table that docu- ment. But, you know, there is a potential other solu- tion that a member who misuses the rules in this fashion could be asked to table their iPhone or phone for an hour. Madam Speaker: I think I've got enough information to rule on this, but I t hank members that want to add their points. But we do have rules on the use of electronics in the Chamber and those rules are clearly outlined in the documents that the members have.

I would indicate that this is a point of order in that electronic devi ces should not be visible on camera during oral questions. The issue of tabling the text is going to be dealt with between the minister and the table officers in terms of the format that it is tabled in, so that

part is addressed. And electronics should be used in silent mode in the House. So, I think that should address all the concerns that members brought to mind, and I thank members for addressing the issue. Point of Order Madam Speaker: The honour able member for Concordia, on another point of order? Mr. Wiebe: Likewise, this should be a fairly straight- forward point of order, and one –an easy one for you to rule on. During question period, the Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) clearly held a docu ment that appeared to be maybe election material, maybe some sort of pamphlet, some- thing that was created by a marketing firm somewhere in the backrooms of the Tory caucus.

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 717 I believe that, if–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Wiebe: –we are reading from and quoting from a document that is being clearly read from–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Wiebe: I think–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Wiebe: I think it's very clear, Madam Speaker, that the rules state that that docu ment should be tabled. The Minister for Edu cation has done the right thing by tabling the document. He should–the Premier should do the same and table that document for the House. Madam Speaker: Well, the honourable First Minister. Hon.

Heather Stefanson (Premier): Well, Madam Speaker, it must be Friday, because I'm not sure about this. But I –just to respond to the member from Concordia, I would be more than pleased to table our brochure on historic help for Manitobans– * (11:10) Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Mrs. Stefanson: I would make several copies of it– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Madam Speaker: Oh, it's taking everybody a long time to notice that I am standing. So, I will ask for everybody's co-operation, please. We have seated in the public gallery, from Henry–oh, to that point of order, I think that has been dealt with.

That was a public document, I believe. But the First Minister has, indeed, tabled documents for the member for Concordia (Mr. Wiebe), so it is not a point of order. Introduction of Guests Madam Speaker: So, then, moving to introductions, we have seated in the public gallery, from Henry G. Izatt Middle School, 60 grade 9 students under the direction of Lisa Hobbes, and this group is located in the constit- uency of the honour able member for Fort Whyte (Mr. Khan). We welcome you to the Manitoba Legislature. PETITIONS Madam Speaker: Moving forward, then, to petitions. Are there any petitions?

Community Living disABILITY Services Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows: Currently, adults with specific or non- specific disabilities, or a combination of dis abilities, such as ADHD, autism, dyslexia, dysgraphia, dyscalculia and auditory or language processing disorders and/or non- verbal learning disabilities, will be denied access to services under the Province of Manitoba's community living and disability services, CLDS, if their IQ is above 80.

People with these or other borderline cognitive functioning issues also have extremely low adaptive skills and are not able to live in dependently without supports. Recently, it has become widely recog nized that access to CLDS should not be based solely on IQ, which is only a measure of a person's ability to answer questions verbally or in writing in relation to math - ematics, science or material which is read.

Very often, persons with specific or non-specific disabilities or a combination of those disabilities have specific needs related to their executive function for support when they are adults or are transitioning to adulthood, which are not necessarily connected to their IQ. Executive function is the learned ability to do the normal activities of life, including bei ng organized, being able to plan and to carry out plans and adapt to changing conditions.

Those who have major defects in executive func- tion have a learning dis ability requiring assist ance under CLDS to be able to make a contribution to society and to be self-sustaining. Provision of CLDS services to individuals with specific or non-specific disabilities or a combination of those disabilities or executive function disability, would free them from being dependent on–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Gerrard: –Employment and Income Assistance and to have the potential to make an important change in the person's life.

718 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 Newfoundland and Labrador have now recog- nized that access to services should be based on the nature of the disability and the person's needs, rather than on IQ. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to change the requirements for accessing community living and dis- ability services so that these r equirements are based on the needs of individuals with specific or non- specific disabilities, including executive function or a combination of disabilities, rather than solely on the basis of their IQ.

Signed by Temple Duncan, Salem Roby, Mais Livingston and many, many other Manitobans. Madam Speaker: In accordance with our rule 133(6), when petitions are read they are deemed to be received by the House. Security System Incentive Program Mr. Jim Maloway (Elmwood): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background of the petition is as follows:

(1) Cities across Canada and the United States, in- cluding Chicago; Washington, DC; Salinas, California; and Orillia, Ontario, are offering home security rebate programs that enhance public safety and allow for more efficient use of their policing resources.

(2) Home security surveillance systems protect homes and busi nesses by potentially deterring bur - glaries, reducing homeowners' and busi nesses' insurance costs.

(3) W hole neighbourhoods benefit when more homes and businesses have these security systems.

(4) A 2022 Angus Reid Insti tute poll found that 70 per cent of Winnipeggers surveyed believed crime had increased over the last five years, the highest percentage found among cities in Canada.

(5) The same survey reported half of Winnipeggers polled do not feel safe walking alone at night, and almost 20 per cent of them said they were a victim of a police-reported crime in the last two years.

(6) Although the public understands that what the criminologists and com munity advocates point to as the main drivers of crime, namely the larger issues of lack of food, addictions and poverty, they support rebate programs like this as they help the most vulner- able in our community by removing financial barriers to personal protection.

We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the prov incial government to work with municipalities to establish a province-wide tax rebate or other incentive program to encourage residents and businesses to purchase approved home and busi ness security protection systems. This petition is signed by many Manitobans. Madam Speaker: Any further petitions? If not, orders of the day, government business. ORDERS OF THE DAY GOVERNMENT BUSINESS Hon. Derek Johnson (Acting Government House Leader): Can we resume debate on the budget please, Madam Speaker.

BUDGET DEBATE (Fourth Day of Debate) Madam Speaker: Resuming debate on the proposed motion of the honour able Minister of Finance (Mr. Cullen), and the amendment and subamendment thereto, standing in the name of the honour able member for Burrows, who has one minute remaining. Mr. Diljeet Brar (Burrows): Madam Speaker, I have 60 seconds and 60,000 reasons to say this: that this is the last budget from this PC gov ernment. It's on record. It's on record; it's in the Hansard that many times they have called our members as ministers.

And it's on record that many times they have called us NDP government–it's on record–rather than saying official opposition. Their Health Minister has already started practising how to ask questions in the Chamber. Why is that, Madam Speaker? It's because they have accepted the fact that this is their last budget. I wish them good luck; I wish them good luck on their new critic portfolios later this year. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Hon.

Jeff Wharton (Minister of Economic Development, Investment and Trade): Again, it gives me great pleasure to rise in the House today to talk about a historic budget for Manitobans, Madam Speaker.

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 719 But before we get into the exciting news of the budget, I'd also like to take the oppor tunity to thank all the great constituents of Red River North, Madam Speaker.

We continue to work hard every day for all Manitobans, in particular in my job on behalf of the constituents of Red River North, I look forward to getting up every single day and working hard for each and every one of them, to ensure that we bring them what they need in order to move forward. * (11:20) Madam Speaker, on that front I would like to talk a little bit about–more about this historic invest ment to help better service our seniors, our single families; to historic tax changes that will help Manitobans make ends meet.

Again, this budget is about doing every - thing possible for Manitobans at a time when they need it most. Mr. Andrew Micklefield, Deputy Speaker, in the Chair Madam Speaker–Acting Speaker, and welcome to the Chair–Acting Speaker, in a report last year–Deputy Speaker, an 'apport' last year, the Parliamentary Budget Officer estimated the average Manitoban household lost over $300 due to carbon tax. Madam Speaker, we recognize that challenge for Manitoba families and that's why our gov ernment is stepping up and certainly supporting Manitoba families during this really difficult time.

To offset that federal tax, our Carbon Tax Relief Fund is provi ding single people with $225, and couples with $375 in direct benefits. Mr. Deputy Speaker, we k now and we've heard from Manitobans, we're out listening to Manitobans and we know how difficult the times are, and we'll continue–we're a government that continues to listen. This historical invest ment also will put over $200 million back in the pockets of all Manitobans. After we reduced payments charged by Manitoba Hydro, they adjusted their general rate application to the Public Utilities Board –2 per cent, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, in each of the next two years. We know that members opposite, in their time in power, Manitoba Hydro rates averaged anywhere from 3 to 5 per cent year over year over year, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We know that that's not sus tainable for Manitoba families, particularly in these very difficult times with inflation running high, interest rates rising and again, the costs of everyday needs and require - ments, like groceries, for Manitoba families, and we're–our government is definitely stepping up. Some of the ways we're helping direct impact to Manitoba families and individuals, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, is, again, working on the basic personal amount. Again, that number has not moved from about $10,500 for many years. We've indexed it to help, but we recog- nize we needed to do more. We know that we're way behind our jurisdictions to the west and to the east. We know that we needed to step up, and now's the time for sure. So, we're raising that, Mr. Deputy Speaker, to $15,000. That's $15,000. That's almost –that's $4,500 more before you start to pay provincial tax right here in Manitoba. These measures will remove another 31,600 low-income taxpayers from our tax roll in 2023. And, again, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, the only way this will happen is if the opposition gets on board and supports Budget 2023. I highly doubt the opposi tion will want to leave $4,500 on the table for Manitoba families. We're also talking about reductions in the personal income tax. So, what we're doing, Mr. Deputy Speaker, again, is we're raising–or increasing–the threshold, so before you actually start paying taxes, to $47,000 and $100,000 in 2024. Changes to the –both the PIT and the BPA amounts to $1,250 in savings for the average two family–or two-income family. Let's talk a little bit about the edu cation property tax.

Increasing the rebate from thi rty-seven, five to 50 per cent savings to the average homeowner will turn into $774 for every family, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Payroll tax, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I know the member from Transcona doesn't want to hear all this good news, but I'm sure he's going to hang around for my time. I've got about 15 minutes left–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Mr. Wharton: I know he wants to hear all the good things we're doing–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order, please. Order, please. Mr. Wharton: Education property tax, again, is a huge component, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

Not only are we giving tax money back to Manitobans' families when they need it most, we're actually increasing edu- cation. We know that the Education Minister's been working hard wit h stakeholders to ensure that we're funding education at historic levels, and our gov ern- ment will continue to do that.

720 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 Another area that we've heard, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is minimum wage. Increasing to $15.30 will help being– is being offered to employees. One hundred and ninety million to reduce payments made by Manitoba Hydro. Again, this is a big issue, too, saving hydro ratepayers $4 billion over the next 20 years. Minimum wage will also–we're doing a program, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that will allow busi nesses to help mitigate some of those challenges with the increase of minimum wage. We're offering up to $10,400 for the first six months, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, to help busi nesses–small and medium busi nesses across Winnipeg and Manitoba. That equates to approximately $520 per employee up to 20 employees. We recognize the challenges, again, still coming out of the pandemic and starting to see the economy turn around. We don't want to slow that. We want to continue that rapid growth. We talked a lot about safer streets, as well, and we know that, as I mentioned earlier in question period, that violent crime is at a high, and we're acting on it, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We've heard from Manitobans.

And again, violent crime strategy, we're investing $51.8 million over two years and $34.6 million this year alone. Homeless strategy, another wonderful invest - ment: $51.1 million to support families. Downtown Community Safety Part nership, an invest ment of $3.6 million aimed at building a safer and more inviting downtown Winnipeg for everyone. Mr. Deputy Speaker, $1.5 million in child and youth mental health services; $100,000 in support ongoing operations with the Winnipeg Bear Clan Patrol Inc., a great organi zation.

I've met with the organization on a number of occasions, and the great work that they continue to do and our government will continue to support for many years to come. Mr. Deputy Speaker, $600,000 for flexible-length community residential withdrawal-management beds in Brandon alone–not only Winnipeg, not only areas around Winnipeg, but also other com munities like Brandon, Portage, Steinbach; in the North, Flin Flon, Thompson, The Pas. We recognize we're an entire province. We're investing in our entire province. Healing health care, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

Budget 2023 includes $7.9 billion in historic investments to our health-care system, providing $668 million more– not less, like the NDP will accuse us of. It's quite clear; it's in the budget. As a matter of fact, we're pleased that the Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) was able to table the –a copy of that for the members opposite today. It's more apparent that they haven't read it yet, so certainly, by the Premier tabling it, I'm sure particularly the member from Concordia will have a r ead and really get on board with Budget 2023.

And again, really proud of the invest ments we're making in our seniors strategy, and again, I commend the Seniors Minister for all the work he's done in implementing that strategy and we know we're com - mitted to making Manitobans the ideal place to age with our $15.9 million in our seniors strategy initiatives. Congratulations to that minister for doing that great work and also creating a new hearing aid pro- gram, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We know as we get a little bit older, and I'm guilty of that –I'm actually getting older, too, as well.

Sometimes I have selective hearing from the members opposite, but certainly my hearing is not as good as it was maybe, perhaps, 20 years ago. And certainly glad those investments are here for gen- erations of seniors to come. I wanted to switch gears a little bit and talk a little bit about the oppor tunity I have to serve in the new department–my department, pardon me–to me, new– Economic Dev elopment, Invest ment a nd Trade. I wanted to highlight some of the areas that we're doing in this de partment to help economic growth in Manitoba.

And one thing the members opposite are devoid of is understanding what economic growth is and what it does, and the outcomes of good, strong economic growth. And it's quite clear that they don't understand, so I'm going to try to give them some examples today of what economic growth does and what Budget 2023 will do to continue building our economy, not only in Winnipeg and in southern Manitoba, but parti cularly in the North, and I'll touch on that a little bit later in some of my closing comments. Again, Budget 2023 doubles the funds dedi cated to venture capital to $100 million.

We're having an exciting an nouncement next week, Mr. Deputy Speaker, about those initial and–initial invest ment of $50 million and an additional $50 million. We under- stand that capital has been an issue in Winnipeg and Manitoba for a number of years. We recognize that. We've been hearing that from the business sector, and we're acting on that by investing an addi tional, incremental $50 million.

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 721 Mr. Deputy Speaker, $15 million to the Commu- nities Economic Dev elopment Fund, CEDF, another great initiative that we recognize is going to help grow that economy; $20 million to support economic dev - elopment invest ment attraction; investing more than $35 million in loans and guarantees–an increase of $27 million year over year; $15 million to fund support in the Indigenous economic dev elop- ment opportunities related to Lake Manitoba and Lake St.

Martin outlet channel project, which will be used to support economic development opportunities for 39 Indigenous groups. * (11:30) Increased invest ments in mining activities, expanding opportunities for northern and Indigenous communities, Budget 2023 invests to speed up the permitting process, and that's exactly what we're doing. I had the opportunity to be in Toronto this weekend, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and speak with a number of potential investors and current investors in the mining sector right here in Manitoba. And the excitement and the buzz that was created around Manitoba was just unbelievable.

I can't describe how excited the industry is and how excited we are to invite the mining sector back to Manitoba where it belongs, where we used to lead North America, parti cularly, but parts of the world in mining. Going to highlight some of the invest ments that some of our invest ment–our companies are making. Vale announced a $150-million investment to extend current mining activities in Thompson area by–in–by– over the next 10 years, Mr. Deputy Speaker. That's jobs for Thompson and surrounding area.

Snow Lake Lithium announced that they are–they have raised over $27 million in their initial public offering to support their lithium exploration near Snow Lake. Again, jobs for the North. Alamos Gold, Mr. Deputy Speaker, continues to pursue their project near Lynn Lake. As a matter of fact, we know that the esti mated impact will be over $500 million invested and 500 net new jobs. Where? Oh, I see the member isn't here from Flin Flon. In the North, Mr. Deputy Speaker– Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order, please.

I'm obliged by the rules to remind all members that we cannot reflect on the presence o r absence of any member of this House. I believe the minister just did that. I'd just request he rescind those comments. An Honourable Member: Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for that correction. Certainly a great news– Mr. Deputy Speaker: Apology accepted. I'm obliged to acknowledge the minister has the floor. Please go ahead. Mr.

Wharton: Again, another great mining invest - ment–a new mining invest ment and a new heir, PADCOM has completed Manitoba's first potash dev- elopment near Harrowby, in the munic ipality of Russell-Binscarth. Mr. Deputy Speaker, an update on that, we are going to start –see activity in that mine very, very soon. Stay tuned. Tanco continues, Canada's only operational lith- ium producer, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The company has announced 'signifinicant' expansion plans and is investing in the potential develop of lithium hydroxide plant to produce material suitable for electric vehicles and battery market. Mr.

Deputy Speaker, we know how im portant it is to get these precious minerals out of the ground and into use, and also focus on value added right here in Manitoba. That's building factories, that's developing the minerals here in Manitoba, not shipping them overseas. It's a matter of value added, which will create more jobs, not onl y for all of southern Manitoba, but for the North, as well. So many exciting mining projects coming on board. And again, the Manitoba Mineral Dev elopment Fund has announced that it'll provide $10 million over the next three years to support the mining s ector, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

Budget 2023 is also continuing the commit ment of the–again, the $10-million fund, but expects–by the way, Mr. Deputy Speaker, hang on to your hat, Manitoba expects to have 114,000 new jobs openings over the next five years. Thr ee in five of these jobs will require some form of uni versity training. Budget 2023 will invest–again, here it is–$65 million more into post-secondary institutions and cap univer- sity tuitions–tuition increases to 2.75 per cent. And Mr. Deputy Speake r, I know that my colleagues–many of my colleagues want to get up and speak to the budget, so I will close with some good news.

Right here locally, in the west end of Winnipeg, and I'll just provide some infor mation for the House, and I'll read it off of this text that I received.

722 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 The West End BIZ is celebrating new businesses– An Honourable Member: Paper. Mr. Wharton: –in the area this week. It's not on my phone; it is in paper. And the organi zation says the number of people setting up shops in the neighbourhood hit a seven-year high in 2022, despite lingering effects of the pandemic. New busi nesses highlights 56 new busi - nesses that opened in west end last year, with the goal of attracting more Winnipeggers through their doors. Back in 2015, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we had 855 businesses in the zone.

This year, 2023, we now have 870 at West End BIZ, said the executive director. That's a quote from the executive director of West End BIZ, and that's good news. That's a sign that we're not only growing in the North, we're growing right here in Winnipeg. We know the importance of that. Budget 2023 will deliver on many fronts, in- cluding economic dev elopment right here in the province of Manitoba. Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker: I just want to ask the minister if he was quoting from private correspondence. An Honourable Member: No. Mr. Deputy Speaker: No, okay.

Reminder to all members that when one does quote from correspondence that is private, that one is obliged to table said correspondence that is quoted. Are there any further speakers? Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): I begin by thanking the residents of River Heights who provided input into the direction Manitoba should be going this year and in the coming years. They have been very helpful and supportive of me, and I want to thank them. Let me move on to several general comments on the budget.

First of all, with the windfall that the gov- ernment received in new revenue this year, the gov - ernment has missed a major op portunity to address many critical issues and to provide greater sus tain- ability moving forward. While the budget includes many expenditures and tax changes, it also provides one –for one of the biggest yearly increases in the net debt of our province in the history of Manitoba. The increase in the net debt this year is projected at $1,642,000,000. It's extra - ordinary to have such a large increase in the net debt for Manitoba in a year without a major flood or pandemic.

The budget i s historic in having such a large increase in net debt. Indeed, it will go down in history as the occasion that the PCs went to the bank to borrow a large amount of money in order to try to buy votes. The approach didn't work in 1999, and it won't work now. Second, the budget appears to have been rushed, with the result that a number of initiatives, while well meaning, fall far short of what they could and should be. Let me deal with some of the areas which should have been better addressed.

In the introduction to the budget, the government talks about a commit ment to advancing truth and reconciliation. However, there's little action in the rest of the budget speech and in the budget itself to support this. The only reference to the–in the rest of the budget speech is a reference to advancing economic recon - ciliation in the

section on mining. But there's no indication of any specific measures to be imple - mented. In our view, as Manitoba Liberals, the first act toward reconciliation should be returning the money that the NDP and PC governments stole from children in the care of Child and Family Services. Children in the care of Child and Family Services are among the most in need of all children in our province. It's unbelievable that NDP and PC gov ernments stole more than $300 million from these children.

In some cases, the money had been put in trust funds so that the children in the care of Child and Family Services would have some financial resources when they aged out of care at age 18. The gov ernments took this money from the trust funds of children who needed it and then put it in general revenue and used it for other purposes than helping children in care. In this budget, sadly, there was no mention of returning these funds. Why is this? It's hard to under- stand the indifference being showed by this gov ern- ment to children who have been or are now in care.

The statistics gathered in the Winnipeg Street Census for 2022 showed that more than half of those who were homeless had been in the care of Child and Family Services. The same census showed that the most common age for a person to become homeless was at age 18. This is the age when children age out of care and lose the support they'd been getting. * (11:40) It was disheartening to hear from leaders in the community in Winnipeg who are looking after those

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 723 who are ex periencing homelessness. We were told that at age 18, when youth were aging out of care, as recently as the last few months, some were going directly, on their 18th birthday, to Siloam Mission, as they were homeless, and there was no provision by the Province to help them. This is not the sort of place that a child who's been in CFS care should go to at age 18. Even though Siloam Mission provides excellent help, there are far better ways to transition to adulthood than to go to Siloam Mission.

I was alerted to this issue, which has been ongoing for some years, a number of years ago by an individual who made the point to me that the PC government was trying to use money from the federal government for those who are chronically homeless to fund space for children aging out of care at age 18. This is unbelievable. The federal money was destined for those who are chronically homeless–had been homeless for six months –and it was being used to help children who've been in care and are only homeless because the gov ernment fails to provide a just and fair transition to adulthood for these indi - viduals.

These individuals were not homeless for six months; they just became hom eless because of gov - ernment policy, and the gov ernment should've ensured an adequate transition without having to label these youth as homeless. The Finance Minister, in his budget speech, should've included a

section spe cifically addressing reconciliation. He did not. While the latest gov ern- ment approach to homelessness does, at last, include an acknowledgement of the need to better transition children who've been in the care of Child and Family Services, we're not clear exactly how this is goi ng to be supported. And this comes too late for many, and we still have far too many children in care, and the gov ern- ment in six years still has not implemented the recom- mendations of the report authored by Diane Redsky, Michael Champaign and others , and delivered to the government in 2018.

Sadly, the government has also not provided for better support for those with learning disabilities, for, as we have found, individuals with learning dis abil- ities and an IQ above 80 who are receiving no support from this government when they turn 18 are also more likely to become homeless. The governments need to provide support for such individuals under CLDS, but there was no mention of this in the budget, and these individuals will continue to struggle in a major way.

I talked last night to a mother of such a child, who is struggling and trying every thing, but is almost despairing over the lack of understanding and lack of help from this government. Indeed, it is im portant to note that learnin g dis abilities are not adequately recognized. As Linda Siegel found in a study a num - ber of years ago in Toronto, 83 per cent of those who are homeless in Toronto at that time had some form of undiagnosed and untreated learning dis ability. We need to pay more attention to this.

We have produced our own report on the approach needed to decrease the number of people ex- periencing homelessness. It's much superior to the government's approach because we'll ensure there's housing for those when they become homeless, rather than waiting six months as the gov ernment plans to do. It has been shown clearly that it's much more effective to house somebody imme diately when they become homeless than to have them be chronically homeless for six months, at whi ch time it is more difficult.

We also recommended that there be a dashboard to provide up- to-date information and help to guide the activities and that, in time, that dashboard should include information on services, including those for addictions, poverty, CFS, because this is im portant and it will help many individuals. And because these are risk factors for becoming homelessness, it will help to decrease homelessness. We have been hearing in the last few days, about a death of a man in the emergency room at the Health Sciences Centre. The Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) has been getting questions asking for more details as to what happened.

The best the Premier has done is to reply that opposi tion members should not ask these questions. Not a very cre dible answer when the Premier herself asked similar questions when she was in opposition. Furthermore, we are still looking for answers about the death of Krystal Mousseau about two years after her death on May 25th, 2021. Will we have to wait two or more years to find out what happened to this man? Meanwhile, nurses are waiting for action now to prevent future deaths.

We understand that the Health Sciences Centre nurses had been sounding the alarm for a year, starting in the spring of 2022, about the imminent problems in the emergency room at Health Sciences Centre. How many more disasters and crises will there be under this government? And today we learn of the latest of these crises, this one in home care. Manitobans have known for

724 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 quite some time that there is a crisis in home care, but the cancellation of hundreds of home -care visits this weekend highlights the crisis in real and raw terms. One of the most critical components of health care is home care. But if you can't get home care right –and this government can't–then you have a major problem, and in Manitoba we have a major problem.

I will add that there are various reports about what's going on in home care, and it is said that it's not uncommon for workers to get to a client's home only to learn that no one has been there to help that person for days. It is a tragedy that the situation has deteri - orated to this extent. And as far as recruitment of doctors and nurses, Doctors Manitoba has provided some –many recom- mendations for gov ernment actions. These were provided in November of last year, and yet the gov - ernment, at this juncture–as the MLA for St.

Boniface pointed out earlier today–has, in fact, only fulfilled a small number of the recom mendations, and there is much, much more to do. There is a big worry because 43 per cent of physicians are saying that they may leave their prac - tice for one reason or another in the next few years, and three quarters of them say they will leave because they are fed up with the way that the system is run by this government. That's a lot of doctors in the system who are saying that there is a problem. The gov ern- ment needs to listen and has to do better.

Improving home care, it should be added, is a – particularly important because it is the basis for much home care, and better home-care service can decrease the need for emergency room and hospital visits. We saw recently the disastrous way that the wife of Eric De Schepper was treated. This was tragic that the help only came after she died. We need to act. We need action now.

The gov ernment has talked about backlogs in health-care provision, and in the budget documents we see that major backlogs continue to exist in many areas: in pediatrics –I think that's pediatric surgery – neurosurgery, gynecology, general surgery, thoracic surgery, vascular surgery, in accessing MRIs. In the latter, with respect to MRIs, we've earned recently the story of Dr. Jeff Bresler, that in –the waits for MRIs are so bad that it's difficult to even get an appointment.

In our emergency rooms, there continue to be long wakes; and this, as well as the backlogs, need to be better addressed, and we shouldn't be at this stage where there is so much to do and so little being done. There are concerns over ICUs. Are there enough nurses being trained so that we will be in good shape or not? I fear that we're not training enough. Primary care is a crisis. The government's approach to the nursing shortage is to dial 1-800-the-Philippines. We appreciate the attention to immigration, but suspect that based on past history, it may not be as successful as the government hopes.

The government was aware of the nursing shortage in 2016. Why were not more measures taken then to ensure we have an adequate number of nurses now? * (11:50) The gov ernment's strategy to recruit and retain doctors is focused on increasing the number of spots in medical school, but let's face it, that's going to take years to add the new doctors we need. We should be doing better than this. We should be implementing all the Doctors Manitoba recommendations. We were nevertheless pleased to see two initia - tives that we have been advocating very strongly for.

The enhanced coverage of glucose –continuous glu- cose monitors and insulin pumps for those who–with type 1 and type 2 diabetes who are eligible. This is a positive step and one we have been calling for and pushing for for some time. The second was the sup port for hearing aids for seniors. I have worked very closely with Gladys Nielsen and many others on this matter, and we are appreciative of this being imple mented. Liberals in the Legislature are making a difference in the way that we advocate and that needs to be recognized.

In education, we hear daily of school boards who are struggling to manage a budget which is inadequate to deliver the edu cation that our children and youth need. The budgets provided to school boards were not based on the amount that's needed to provide the edu- cation, but rather on an arbitrary figure fro m the Province. We are particularly concerned that many children with varied learning dis abilities, including dyslexia, dyscalculia and others, and those with executive func- tion disabilities are falling through the cracks and are not being diagnose d early enough and are not being helped well enough.

Also very con cerning is the fact that too many children with learning or executive function dis abil- ities who have an IQ above 70–or 75 or 80, depending on the day that you ask the gov ernment–they are not

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 725 getting the support they need when they turn 18 years of age. Linda Siegel in Toronto found that 83 per cent of those who were homeless had a learning dis ability. We need to be much more aware of the impact of undiagnosed and untreated learning disabilities, and we need to provide the support for those who need it when they become 18 years of age. We're also very concerned about the education for Indigenous students, as their rates of graduation con- tinue to be low.

There is no mention in t he budget speech of the importance of working with First Nations, Métis and Inuit leaders to ensure that the graduation rate for Indigenous students increases. When it comes to climate change and the environ- ment, we are making globally a transition from using fossil fools to using electricity–cars, trucks and many other uses–boats, lawn mowers, small tractors and so on. Today as Manitobans, we spend about $4 billion each year and send it out of province to pay for the gasoline and diesel that we use.

We could be spending this money toward the electricity needed to power vehicles and other machines which currently use gasoline or diesel. It would be cheaper, and we would be spending the dollars here in Manitoba and helping Manitobans. We are concerned ab out the proposal for a sand mine near Anola, near Vivian, and the future of the aquifers in southwestern Manitoba. I will be present - ing tomorrow at a hearing on this. When it comes to crime, the violent crime sever- ity index for Manitoba is about twice a s high as the index for Canada as a whole.

There is a similar twofold increase rate for intimate partner violence. We, in both cases, are an outlier, because this govern- ment and the NDP before it didn't pay enough atten- tion to preventing crime. It is a black work on this gov- ernment to have such high crime rates. And it's clear that the present gov ernment and the previous NDP government were doing a very poor job of preventing crime. Much better is needed. There are in credible opportunities in agri culture at the moment. One of these is in the better support for ecological services.

There was a pilot in Blanchard, but it has been forgotten by the current PC gov ern- ment. We're ap preciative of some improved support for municipalities, financially, but continue to be very concerned about the Province setting up a system where it can overrule municipal decisions.

As my colleague for Tyndall Park raised the other day, there is a major concern about how the gov ern- ment is operating child ca re, that in fact the $10 fee applies during the week when students are in classes, but it doesn't apply–as I understand it–when there's an in-service day, and it doesn't apply in summer when students are on vacation. But parents still have to work at these times. They still need the child care, and we understand that they may be having to spend $20 or more a day. This is misleading, the way the government has presented it, and that is an overall problem with this gov ernment.

When it presents misleading information it loses trust, and this government is losing the trust of Manitobans. It is no longer reliable, and we will vote against this budget because of this lack of trust. Mr. Len Isleifson (Brandon East): You know, we stand in the House to debate all kinds of motions and bills and issues throughout the year, and here we have an honour of standing up on a Friday, a Friday morning, and so I just want to wish everybody safe travels home. I understand there's a storm coming, so all members of th e House, if you're leaving today, please drive safe and have a great safe weekend.

On to the budget and the reason we're here today. I do want to talk about how this budget affects my constituents, some of the comments that I've received from constituents in Brandon, some of the comments I've received from the busi ness community as well, Mr. Deputy Speaker. When I look at this budget, the biggest question that I've received so far, and keep in mind that the budget was, you know, just put out ther e; I have not been home yet, so it's all emails and phone calls and texts that I've been receiving. But com municating with some of my con stituents, it really is a good budget.

It paves the future for growth in Manitoba. And I'm not going to talk just about business. I want to talk about individuals as well. But I –the biggest question I've received from constituents, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is some of them, believe it or not, people do watch question period. They are watching these debates and they're confused. People are confused because they listen to the budget speech, and then they hear comments coming from the opposi- tion which doesn't balance with the budget sheets that we've presented.

So I just –as I've been telling them, I want to tell everybody, please feel free to go onto www.gov.mb.ca/finance where the docu ments are

726 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 located. And I certainly welcome any of my constituents to call my office, to email my office. I'm certainly there. My staff–we're there to help, you know, provide and ensure that they get the correct information that they're seeking. And again, it's as we all are, I'm not talking about my supporters; I'm talking about all the constituents in Brandon East. Regardless of what political stripes you have, or if you don't ha ve any, that's fine, too. Give my office a call if you have questions about the budget.

I would love to sit down and go over the lines of the budget and show how this historic budget is really moving Manitobans forward. And when I look particularly, Mr. Deputy Speaker, at what's happening in Brandon and some of the things that have been going on there, and I think I've mentioned before about the great work that His Worship Mayor Rick Chrest had done when he was the mayor in bringing forward the Downtown Wellness and Safety Task Force, really looking at some of the issues that we have that –everybody has mentioned here about the safety issues. How do we provide a safe environment for our citizens?

How do we help those in need get the help that they so desper- ately need? * (12:00) And it's there, so I really want to give hats off to the previous mayor and, you know, his councillors, and the members of the com munity that volunteered to sit on this community–or, pardon me, on this com- mittee. I know I was honoured to receive a phone call from His Worship, back in the day when this started, to ask if I would sit on the task force. I have a keen interest, as most are aware of my past history in working–security work at the regional health author - ity, in how to provide safer communities.

And work- ing on that, it was an honour to sit on there. And the work that they did, Mr. Deputy Speaker, really points to the safer streets part of our budget speech that came out. One just has to look at what's happening in the communities–and it's honestly not all about money. It's not all about throwing money at issues. We seen that over 17 years of the previous NDP gov ernment, threw money at issues but there were never any solutions. Never any solutions. And I know that this is a different crew that's over there now. I look across the hallway, consider you all friends.

And, you know, and I'm sure they understand where the past went awry under their government. So, yes. So, we look at how do we make streets safer? And it's not just about providing services in the realm of those that need help. Yes, we need to provide those services. And we do. We work–especially in Brandon, I work very closely with Barb McNish at the Samaritan House. They are doing some amazing work, and our gov ernment has been able to come on board and work with them tre mendously to help provide shelters, to help provide meals.

But it also takes a community to build this type of resilience of safety in our streets. And when I say that, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I've had a number of conver sa- tions with the business community that want to come on board and, you know, do their part. You know, we struggle in our downtown, so we've heard the issues that they have in Winnipeg, as well. Busi nesses leaving downtown. You know, we have people that are living on the streets that need help. But one group cannot do it. We all need to come together. So, regardless of how much money is put into a situation, you need to have a plan.

And I'm so proud of thi s gov ernment that has a plan on dealing with safer streets. But you do need that funding, as well. So when we look at, you know, this historic invest ment that's in this budget, you know, more than $100 million to really address those challenges of viol ence and homelessness. I'm looking forward to the Minister of Families (Ms. Squires); I'm looking forward to the – her report on homelessness. I–again, in my previous role on city council in Brandon, I was honoured to be the chair of the com - mittee that looked at homelessness, looked at how we can make our environment safer.

And–so, to me, this is just an all- around start to moving on because, as we've heard many times, we're very upfront that there is more work to do. But we need a starting point and we n eed a plan and we have those. And with this budget, we can certainly see that move forward. Again, $51.8 million, Mr. Deputy Speaker, going into a strategy over the next two years on reducing violent crime. Again, we need that funding, thanks to this government, so that we can move these strategies forward and we can help those in need. I really have to take my hat off to our Minister of Justice (Mr.

Goertzen) and the ministers of justice across this province who are really pushing for bail reform on a national level. Again, we're putting the money where our mouth is, but we need to ensure that everybody comes on board.

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 727 Again, I just previously mentioned homelessness; $51 million in our homelessness strategy will go a long way. I know the member from Kirkfield Park had talked briefly in his statement about Homes for Heroes, a great program, and as the special envoy for military affairs, I'm involved in that program. I've been honoured to attend their ceremonies where they're receiving funding, revealing their plans and actually putting a shovel in the ground, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

And it's certainly something that we can look at, as a gov ernment, on provi ding funding for pro - grams that come up with solutions. And that's why this budget is such an incredible budget to see. Again, I know in our budget we talked about $3.6 million for the Downtown Com munity Safety Partnership here in Winnipeg. And you probably say, why would a member from Brandon stand in the House to talk about funding that's going to downtown Winnipeg. And it's simple, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We are all in this together. We need to build and we need to start somewhere.

So I'm one hundred per cent confident and positive that what we learn in Winnipeg can be used in other com mu- nities throughout Manitoba and even in Brandon. And, vice versa, there are things happening in Brandon right now that other com munities such as Winnipeg are looking at that will certainly help–and I hate to use the word revitalize downtown, but rebuild, restructure and rebirth the vibrancy that we can have in a community. One of the things, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, I believe it was two or three weeks ago, I held a town hall where I reached out to over 6,000 residents in Brandon East and sat and talked to ove r a thousand of –almost 1,100 for over an hour. And some great questions came from there and it allowed me to really try to get an understanding of what their priorities are and where they would like to see our government go with this year's budget and then into the future. And I got to say, the top priority–and I don't have a percentage, I wish I had that with me–but it's in my office in Brandon.

But the number of people who were concerned with the top subject was incred ible, and it was basically help. We need help. We need help from our provincial government. We don't want handouts; we want hand ups. We want to be able to reach our goal. We want to be able to put our children into sports. We want to be able to send our children to school healthy. And, again, one of the ways we can do that is by reducing taxes. However, reducing taxes on some items is not the best solution. The best solution is right where it affects the family, which is the personal tax exemption.

So, again, a $311-million investment into tax relief in the personal exemption, as we've heard, it's just–I believe it's 10.5 thousand –$10,500 a year that someone has to make prior to paying personal income taxes. And with this budget, we will see that rise to $15,000, putting us even with the Canadian–the federal gov ernment, I should say –and putting us, I believe it was third–we saw it earlier today, I think it was third highest in the country. That's where we help individuals, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

That is probably the largest group that I have received emails and 'texes' from since the release of this budget, is based on that information. It is certainly one that people now realize–how do you save money. And in–as we heard this morning, if anybody –I know there was some of the mem bers on this side were at breakfast this morning with the Manitoba Chambers–and I apologize, I didn't see any of the op- position members at that breakfast, but I might be wrong, they might have been there, so I apologize if I didn't see you there this morning.

But even chatting at that, when we talk about the benefit of taking this number of Manitobans entirely off the tax roll, and how can you afford to operate a government if you're removing that kind of volume of taxes out of your revenue line. Well, it's easy, Mr. Deputy Speaker, if you look at the charts, if you look at the trending situation across Canada, Manitoba is growing its economy. We're growing our popula tion. With an increase in population brings increased tax base. So the tax base that's coming in is outweighing the tax base that we're losing.

In conjunction, yes, it's about a part nership with the federal government on certain levels, as well, and it is certainly some thing that we can strive to work continually with our partner s, whether it's federal or municipal, on building stronger inroads for our com - munity. And I will stand in this House any day and fight for the residents of Brandon. You know, I will look at all of these issues here and say how can we help more.

It was mentioned yesterday–and I apologize, I don't remember which member was talking –about schools and the number of schools that have been built or have not been built by the previous government.

728 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 10, 2023 I was really adamant and fought on behalf of Brandon citizens to not only build a school in Brandon, but to ensure that school was built in Brandon East, where we needed it the most. And back in 2017-2018, you know, we committed to not just the one school – Maryland Park School, which it is now fully opera - tional, at capacity. So, I'm happy to say that back in 2017- 2018, we didn't promise one school in Brandon. We promised three schools in Brandon.

We promised two K -to-8 schools and one French immersion school. * (12:10) And they're there; they're working on those right now, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And we are at that situation where, how do we look at ensuring that our families can continue to grow, continue to afford to live. And again, aside from the personal tax exemp- tions that we've talked about, we're also talking about the school tax rebate. Up to 50 per cent this year alone, and I believe next year I think it's, like, 75 per cent, you know, until a point where they don't have to pay any of that tax.

So, again, it's about affordability for families, Mr. Deputy Speaker. It's not always about building government. It's about building a society where our members in our society can live, can thrive, can grow, and that's something that we have a responsibility, as legislators, standing in this building. The other thing I did really want to quickly talk about again is I want to give kudos to Chief Wayne Balcaen. He is our police chief in Brandon, and some of the work that himself and his organi zation have been doing that really supports our Safer Streets campaign.

And I know that Chief Balcaen was here during the budget speech, along with His Worship. And then two members of our post -secondary insti- tutions in Brandon, Brandon Uni versity and Assiniboine Community College, were here as well. And I know we had an opportunity to talk about, you know, how do we provide safer streets. What does that really mean? And so when we look at that again, it's about investing, the gov ernment investing in a com munity that it believes in. And believe me, Mr. Deputy Speaker, we believe in Chief Wayne Balcaen and the work that him and his team are doing.

We believe in the work that the Brandon Police Board is doing. And I say that with great honour, because I used to be the vice chair of that board, and I see that they're working much harder than they did when I was there. So maybe that was my fault; I'm not sure. But they are doing in- credible work and that allows us to do our part, which is investing over $600,000 for flexible-length commu- nity-residential withdraw al management beds in Brandon. And that helps on that end. Mr.

Deputy Speaker, if I had another 20 minutes I'd love to tell everybody in the House about a program that the Brandon Police Service uses that a previous chief, Ian Grant, brought in from anot her province and really built up in Brandon, and it is doing incredible work. I believe they now have it in Portage as well, and I know they're looking at northern com - munities. They may even have it in Thompson by now, as well. That, don't quote me on because I'm not exactly sure where that's at.

But again, it's because these folks are investing in our community, and it's an investment that we need to grow to the part nership that we need. And with the new mayor, His Worship Jeff Fawcett, you know, talking with him on a monthly basis, and I also meet with Tanya LaBuick, who is the president of the Brandon Chamber of Commerce, on a monthly basis. And, actually, tomorrow, I –not tomorrow, pardon me–next Friday, I believe I have meetings with them both, because we want to continue that dialogue.

We want to continue–how can the government of Manitoba work with you as a partner in ensuring the citizens of Brandon are well represented in this building? And, you know, with myself and the MLA for Spruce W oods and the MLA for Brandon West, we bring their voice here. We fight for them every day. And I think it wouldn't be a surprise if you asked any of our ministers if we're going to their doors and knocking on their doors, and bringing issues forward because we're looking out for our constituents. Mr.

Deputy Speaker, I'm just going to–I've got a whole bunch more, but let me just wrap up quickly on something that, in addition to this amazing, exciting budget that, again, if these things don't happen, it's because they're not supported by the opposi tion. They're there. We had BITSA intro duced today, so there is no delay, so this should pass by June 1st, and then resi - dents right across the province can enjoy the benefits that they deserve. But one of the things I did want to mention just before I wrap up, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is January of 2022.

So, over a year ago, I was honoured to be appointed the special envoy for military affairs. I want

March 10, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 729 to thank my colleagues for taking my calls, for sitting with me, for talking about issues that the military personnel in this province are facing, and how we, as a gov ernment, can help make their lives so much easier. And when I look at, just an example, and what I really want to mention is April 1st is not just April Fool's Day, Mr. Deputy Speaker. April 1st is an amazing day here in Manitoba.

So, on April 1st, 2023, when that sun rises that day, if you are a member of the military, if you are in an active role in the military or if you are a veteran in the mil itary and you want to go fishing without a fishing licence, throw your cast, throw your line in the water, because there is no charge for veterans and military officials. In this province you do not need a licence; you just need your ID, starting April 1st. So that's another improvement that this gov ernment is doing to help those living in Manitoba. Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mrs.

Bernadette Smith (Point Douglas): A vote for this budget would be a vote of confidence, and we do not, on this side, have confidence in this government, nor do Manitobans. They won't be fooled by, you know, these last-minute announcements in an election year where they're trying to throw money at things that they've continually cut. And I want to bring attention to a whole bunch of issues that affect my con stituents in Point Douglas, but not just in Point Douglas, in each and every one of their con stituencies, as well, that they failed to support, they failed to address. They eve n failed to take their calls.

They call our offices to do their case- work because they won't even help their constituents. So I want to talk about housing. You know they made this big announcement about housing. The last seven years, homelessness in this province has sky - rocketed. It's got so bad you can't even drive down Main Street without seeing someone on Main Street either laying on the ground, in a bus shack, you know, or standing in line. That is inhumane. That's not a dignified way of living.

And this gov- ernment pats them selves on the back and think that they're doing enough to address the high rates of homelessness in this province? Shame on them. Shame on each one of those members for thinking that they are going to address this by this little bit of money that they're throwing at this issue. This is a chronic issue that's been here for –since this government has taken office. They've sold over 1,700 units of social housing. These are units that are affordable. These are units that used to be actually staffed by a security guard.

Now we're hearing from residents that they're riddled, the ones that are left, that are riddled with bedbugs, mice, cockroaches. Imagine living in that. And I know members on the other side can't imagine that because they haven't had to ex per- ience that, most of them, you know. But, on this side of the House, many of us have. Many of us can relate because we've been there. We've had to live, you know, in a social housing unit because we couldn't afford to pay market rent. We've had to live in those situations because we've had a government that fails to come in and actually clean up the bedbu

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