Manitoba Hansard — 15 May 2025 (Sitting 55B, 43rd Legislature, 2nd Session)

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Second Session – Forty-Third Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Tom Lindsey Speaker Vol. LXXIX No. 55B - 1:30 p.m., Thursday, May 15, 2025 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Third Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ASAGWARA, Uzoma, Hon. Union Station NDP BALCAEN, Wayne Brandon West PC BEREZA, Jeff Portage la Prairie PC BLASHKO, Tyler Lagimodière NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian, Hon. Keewatinook NDP BYRAM, Jodie Agassiz PC CABLE, Renée, Hon. Southdale NDP CHEN, Jennifer Fort Richmond NDP COMPTON, Carla Tuxedo NDP COOK, Kathleen Roblin PC CORBETT, Shannon Transcona NDP CROSS, Billie Seine River NDP DELA CRUZ, Jelynn Radisson NDP DEVGAN, JD McPhillips NDP EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FONTAINE, Nahanni, Hon. St.

Johns NDP GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC HIEBERT, Carrie Morden-Winkler PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake-Gimli PC KENNEDY, Nellie, Hon. Assiniboia NDP KHAN, Obby Fort Whyte PC KINEW, Wab, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP KING, Trevor Lakeside PC KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Dauphin NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom, Hon. Flin Flon NDP LOISELLE, Robert St. Boniface NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya, Hon. Notre Dame NDP MOROZ, Mike, Hon. River Heights NDP MOSES, Jamie, Hon. St. Vital NDP MOYES, Mike, Hon.

Riel NDP NARTH, Konrad La Vérendrye PC NAYLOR, Lisa, Hon. Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC OXENHAM, Logan Kirkfield Park NDP PANKRATZ, David Waverley NDP PERCHOTTE, Richard Selkirk PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Turtle Mountain PC REDHEAD, Eric Thompson NDP SALA, Adrien, Hon. St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu, Hon. The Maples NDP SCHMIDT, Tracy, Hon. Rossmere NDP SCHOTT, Rachelle Kildonan-River East NDP SCHULER, Ron Springfield-Ritchot PC SIMARD, Glen, Hon. Brandon East NDP SMITH, Bernadette, Hon. Point Douglas NDP STONE, Lauren Midland PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry Ind. WHARTON, Jeff Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt, Hon.

Concordia NDP WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC Vacant Spruce Woods

2107 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Thursday, May 15, 2025 The House met at 1:30 p.m. The Speaker: Good afternoon, everyone. Please be seated. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Bill 204–The Highway Traffic Amendment Act (Reason for Traffic Stop) Mr. Mark Wasyliw (Fort Garry): I move, seconded by the MLA for Tyndall Park, that Bill 204, The Highway Traffic Amendment Act (Reason for Traffic Stop), be now read a first time. Motion presented. Mr.

Wasyliw: Today I 'm proud to introduce The Highway Traffic Amendment Act (Reason for Traffic Stop) bill to ensure a greater accountability and trans- parency in policing. It's a simple but important change. When a driver is pulled over the officer must state the reasons for the stop before doing anything else. If they don't, any evidence gathered from the stop becomes inadmissible. This is about building trust between communities and law enforcement. That trust starts with respectful, clear communication and a legal guarantee that people understand why they're being stopped.

While many ex perience routine traffic stops, we know that racialized communities have historically faced disproportionate and sometimes unjustified interactions. This bill helps ensure that every stop begins on a foundation of fairness. I want to thank Chris Gamby, spokesperson of the Criminal Defense Lawyers Association of Manitoba for attending today in the gallery to support this legislation. The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] The motion is accordingly passed.

COMMITTEE REPORTS Standing Committee on Public Accounts Fifth Report MLA Jim Maloway (Vice-Chairperson): Honour- able Speaker, I wish to present the fifth report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. Clerk (Mr. Rick Yarish): Your Standing Committee on Public– An Honourable Member: Dispense. The Speaker: Dispense. Your Standing Committee on Public Accounts presents the following as its Fifth Report. Meetings Your Committee met on May 14, 2025, at 7:00 p.m. in the Chamber of the Legislative Building.

Matters under Consideration • Annual Report and Public Accounts of the Province of Manitoba for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2023 • Auditor General's Report – Public Accounts and Other Financial Statement Audits dated December 2023 • Annual Report and Public Accounts of the Province of Manitoba for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 • Auditor General's Report – Public Accounts and Other Financial Statement Audits dated December 2024 Committee Membership • Mr. B RAR • MLA CHEN • MLA COMPTON • MLA DELA CRUZ • MLA DEVGAN • Mr. EWASKO • Mr.

GUENTER (Chairperson) • MLA LAMOUREUX • MLA MALOWAY (Vice-Chairperson) • Mr. OXENHAM • Mrs. STONE Substitutions received prior to Committee proceedings: • MLA BEREZA for Mr. EWASKO

2108 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 Officials Speaking on Record • Tyson Shtykalo, Auditor General of Manitoba • Silvester Komlodi, Deputy Minister of Finance • Ann Ulusoy, Secretary to Treasury Board Reports Considered and Passed Your Committee considered and passed the following reports as presented: • Annual Report and Public Accounts of the Province of Manitoba for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2023 • Auditor General's Report – Public Accounts and Other Financial Statement Audits dated December 2023 Reports Considered and Not Passed Your Committee considered and did not pass the following reports as presented: • Annual Report and Public Accounts of the Province of Manitoba for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 • Auditor General's Report – Public Accounts and Other Financial Statement Audits dated December 2024 MLA Maloway: Honourable Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable member for Seine River (MLA Cross), that the report of the committee be received.

The Speaker: It's been moved by the honour able member for Elmwood (MLA Maloway), seconded by the honourable member for Seine River, that the fifth report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts be received. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] TABLING OF REPORTS Hon. Nahanni Fontaine (Government House Leader): Honourable Speaker, I'd like to table the sequence for the con sideration of de partmental Estimates in the Committee of Supply, for today only. MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS Wildfire Update Hon.

Ian Bushie (Minister of Natural Resources and Indigenous Futures): Honourable Speaker, with the upcoming long weekend, we would like to wish everyone in Manitoba a happy and safe May long weekend. But this time around, we also want to be sure to remind everyone not to have campfires and to listen to evacuation orders to make sure that first responders can quickly respond to the various serious situations taking place in our province right now. As reported earlier this morning by the Manitoba Wildfire Service, we currently have 21 active fires and have so far had 80 fires to date.

This is a significantly higher number than the average, so we encourage everyone to remain vigilant during this chal lenging time. In The Pas -OCN, the fire is quite significant in size with the Manitoba Wildfire Service reporting that this fire is now under control and some evacuees are able to return to their communities. In the RM of Piney approximately 300 people were evacuated last night. The fire near Bird River, around Nopiming National Park –Provincial Park remains very active and value protection efforts continue.

The fire in the Lac du Bonnet area is still listed as active, with crews making progress in the region but it remains out of control. The fire near Ingolf, Ontario poses a significant threat to Whiteshell Provincial Park, so resources are being deployed to begin working on that fire. The Province is declaring a state of emergency in the Whiteshell area, and we urge folks who do not need to be in the area to clear the way to allow emergency services to do what they need to do. I want to thank the folks on the front lines, all of those responding to the call of duty.

And I would like to sincerely thank the crew of 44 firefighters who are here with BC–who are here from BC to lend a hand; we certainly appreciate the extra help. And as the Premier (Mr. Kinew) mentioned earlier this morning, as we come to grips with this situation, the news of loss of life turns these situations from emergency to tragedy. On behalf of the government of Manitoba and all of our colleagues gathered here today, I offer sincere condolences to the fam ily, friends and community members who lost two of our own. As Manitobans, we join those affected in your time of mourning.

The flags at the Legislature are flying at half-mast as a small gesture of sympathy towards the family and their loved ones. I would ask–I would also like to take

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2109 this opportunity, Honourable Speaker, to ask for leave for a moment of silence immediately following my statement to commemorate the lives lost to this tragedy, those hurt and the pain and the grief of the friends and family affected. Thank you. The Speaker: Is there leave for a moment of silence? [Agreed] We will have a moment of silence, please. A moment of silence was observed. Mr.

Rick Wowchuk (Swan River): Today I rise with a heavy heart and with deep care for the many families, communities and responders facing what may be one of the most difficult wildfire seasons our province has ever experienced. We are all heartbroken to learn of the tragic loss. Yesterday the RCMP recovered the bodies of Sue and Rich Nowell near Wendigo Road in the Rural Municipality of Lac du Bonnet. They were someone's family, someone's friend. Their loved ones we hold in our hearts during this unimaginable time.

This is a devastating reminder of how quickly these fires can escalate and how dangerous they truly are. Nearly 1,000 people have now been forced from the Lac du Bonnet area. Homes have been lost near Wendigo Beach. Entire communities are being uprooted in an instant. To our firefighters, RCMP, emergency responders, Manitoba Hydro crews, volunteers and all who have stepped forward in the face of danger: You are our heroes. And to everyone –every evacuee, to every person waiting for news, wondering when they can go home, carrying the weight over loss or uncertainty, please know: The Province stands with you.

We see you, we grieve with you and we will walk the road with you. The days ahead will continue to test us. But I know that our–that we are a province built to rise up in moments like this. We rally together. We hold one another up. And we find our strength not just in fire trucks or helicopters, but in human compassion and the will to endure together. Stay safe. Stay connected. And let's continue to care for one another with all the strength and heart that make Manitoba home. Thank you. International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia Hon.

Nahanni Fontaine (Minister responsible for Women and Gender Equity): Honourable Speaker, I rise today to acknowledge the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia. As allies, we have a responsibility to call out acts of homophobia, transphobia and biphobia every time they occur. These can be obvious attacks on the 2SLGBTQIA+ community, like when members opposite ran a failed election campaign featuring bus benches targeting transgender youth. Or when the face of that same transphobic campaign, the member for Fort Whyte (Mr.

Khan) and the new Leader of the Opposition, doubled down against Bill 43 and against more than 50 2SLGBTQ2IA+ Manitobans and their allies asking our government to enshrine protections for gender expression in The Manitoba Human Rights Code. * (13:40) I commend those brave Manitobans for showing up and sharing their experiences in support of this bill, even in the face of some members in this very Chamber speaking out against their right to safety, acceptance and their humanity. I want to take a quick moment to acknowledge our colleague, the member for Kirkfield Park (Mr.

Oxenham), who chaired those incred ibly diffi- cult meetings at standing com mittee, and he did so with such grace and compassion and pride. And on behalf of our whole team, we are so incredibly proud to work alongside him. But homophobia, transphobia and biphobia can also be more insidious, like feeding into mis - information around pronoun use, or the 2SLGBTQIA community in general. Or it can look like the member for Lac du Bonnet (Mr. Ewasko) continuously and deliberately misgendering members of this House, who are his own colleagues of whom he's worked with for many years.

When members opposite can 't even be bothered to address their own colleagues with respect in this Chamber, how can 2SLGBTQIA+ Manitobans expect any respect from any of those members opposite or from their party? Around the world, we continue to see increasing attacks on the rights of 2SLGBTQIA people. There has never been a more important time in our history to make sure this community, our relatives, are protected.

2110 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 I'd remind Manitobans, today isn' t just about empty words recognizing the 2SLGBTQI community. It's actually about putting an end to homophobia, transphobia and biphobia whenever and wherever we see it. Our government is committed to showing Manitobans and the 2SLGBTQ2I community these acts of ignorance, hatred and fear have no place in our province, whether they happen here in Winnipeg or in Steinbach or in La Vérendrye or in Borderland or in Springfield -Ritchot or even right here in this Chamber. Miigwech.

MLA Jeff Bereza (Portage la Prairie): I am honoured to rise today to recognize international day against homophobia, biphobia and transphobia, which takes place this Saturday, May 17. It was less than 30 years ago that Manitoba elected its first openly gay member of the Legislature. Our province and country have come a long way since then in recognizing the right of all people to dignity and equal opportunity. Look no further than across the aisle, with Manitoba's first gender non-conforming MLA and its first openly transgender MLA.

We acknowledge today something that has been dismissed for far too long: that the full participation of Manitobans from the 2SLGBTQ+ community in our society is vital to building a stronger social and economic fabric in our province. That is why we do what we do in this Chamber, to ensure every Manitoban, no matter who they are, is afforded the dignity, freedom and safety that they deserve. In this Chamber, we represent all Manitobans and stand with all Canadians. Being part of the 2SLGBTQ+ community does not make anyone less of a Manitoban or a Canadian.

Bullying, hatred or violence will never be acceptable, no matter the com- munity they belong to. While the NDP thrive on division and hostility, we on this side prioritize fostering communities that are safe, healthy and prosperous for all Manitobans to thrive. And I encourage all Manitobans to treat each other with respect, dignity and as fellow hum an beings. So as we enter Pride week this weekend, I want to assure the 2SLGBTQ community that my colleagues and I will keep working to ensure Manitoba is the place where you can grow and thrive. Thank you. Vyshyvanka Day Hon.

Nellie Kennedy (Minister of Sport, Culture, Heritage and Tourism): Today I rise to recognize and celebrate International Vyshyvanka Day, also known as Ukrainian embroidered shirt day, which is observed on the third Thursday of May each year. This day marks an important commemoration for Ukrainian community members, as well as their friends and allies. The embroidery of vyshyvanka clothing, with its symbolic patterns, colour and historical significance, have been preserved by dedicated artists.

Our –over time, the ancient and symbolic origi ns found in these garments have evolved to embrace modern fashionable styles, while continuing to highlight this prestigious and cherished component of Ukrainian identity. As the Ukrainian ' dispora' of–has been –has expanded across lands and ocean, Ukrainian immi - grants continue to play a vital role in Canada's diverse cultural landscape and identity. Over time, Manitoba has become a home for numerous Ukrainian immigrants whose contributions have been instru- mental in the province's economic prosperity and rich cultural tapestry.

Today, Manitoba is home to more than 160,000 people of Ukrainian descent, making us the home of one of the largest populations in the country. On this day, by donning our own vyshyvanka, we celebrate the significant role of the community and their vibrant contributions to our ethnoculturally diverse identity. Although Vyshyvanka Day is typically a festive occasion, it is important to acknowledge Ukraine 's present struggle to preserve its sovereignty. For the last three years, the vyshyvanka has become a tangible symbol of the pride and tenacity of Ukrainian people in the face of external aggression.

The pride it inspires will outlive attempts to erase Ukrainian identity. Manitoba continues to extend its solidarity to those impacted by the war in Ukraine. I would like to thank the many organizations and institutions that continue to support the resettlement of Ukrainian newcomers in our province. Your dedication for your community outreach and support are helping so many.

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2111 Some such people join us in the gallery today. There is Joan Lewandowski [phonetic] , Ivan Kutsak and Valentyna Hryshko. I wish you all a very happy Vyshkavanka [phonetic] Day. I hope that peace, prosperity and security will soon return to the Ukraine. Thank you. Mr. Richard Perchotte (Selkirk): Manitoba has a long and proud history of celebrating Ukrainian heritage. So it brings me great honour to recognize Vyshyvanka Day, an international celebration of Ukrainian culture, heritage, and resilience. The richly embroidered vyshyvanka is more than just clothing.

It is a symbol of Ukrainian identity that carries with it stories of family and tradition, and a sense of belonging. Each pattern and symbol, passed down through generations, holds deep meaning. These embroidered designs are believed to protect the wearer and bring strength and good luck. Honourable Speaker, in both peace and conflict, Ukrainians have worn the vyshyvanka with pride as

an act of remembrance, cultural pride and resistance. Today, we join millions around the world in wearing the vyshyvanka to stand in solidarity with our Ukrainian communities here in Manitoba and the people of Ukraine. I encourage all Manitobans, if you have one, to proudly wear your vyshyvanka today. In doing so, we send a message of compassion and unity. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. Introduction of Guests The Speaker: Prior to members ' statements, there's some guests in the gallery that will be leaving shortly.

So I would like to point out that seated in the public gallery we have, from Gordon Bell s chool, 30 grade 9 students under the direction of Peter Vanderhout. A nd they' re guests of the hon ourable member for Wolseley (MLA Naylor). * (13:50) We welcome you all here today. MEMBERS' STATEMENTS West Broadway and Wolseley Farmers' Markets Hon. Lisa Naylor (Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure): Farmers' market season is almost here. I 'm thrilled that the Wolseley constituency is home to two markets that run throughout the summer and early fall.

The West Broadway Farmers ' Market is hosted by the Good Food Club of the West Broadway Community Organization and takes place outside the Broadway Neighbourhood Centre every Wednesday starting on July 2. Rain or shine, community members will be able to find a wide range of local goods for sale: vegetables, baked goods, crafts and more. The West Broadway market hosts pop ups throughout the fall, selling honey, bison and root vegetables, as well as a holiday market in December.

I especially appreciate the fall feast that West Broadway market puts on for neighbours to celebrate the harvest and all the ways in which they promote food security through workshops, teaching the skills such as food dehydration or mushroom cultivation. Wolseley Farmers' Market also draws in hundreds of folks seeking fresh produce, local grains, meat and fish, locally brewed beers, baked goods and locally roasted coffee. Skillful local makers sell their jewelry, candles, pottery and wearable art while live music adds ambiance to the experience.

Located at the corner of Westminster and Ethelbert, the Wolseley Farmers ' Market runs every Tuesday and Thursday starting June 4. Farmers' markets are a wonderful opportunity to bring communities together. We get to know our farmers while supporting local agriculture and many small businesses. I'm so grateful to the West Broadway Farmers ' Market and the Wolseley Farmers ' Market for their dedication and efforts towards bringing our com - munities together and supporting local vendors. I wish both a successful and busy season, and I hope to see you all there.

Honourable Speaker, I have guests here today from the West Broadway Farmers' Market, the West Broadway Community Organization and Direct Farm Manitoba, and I wish to have their names included in Hansard. And I ask all members of the House to welcome them here. Ailene Deller, Kelly Frazer, Deirdre Rooney, Kristie Schertzer, Nicole Sward . Metcalfe's Garage 125th Anniversary Ms. Jodie Byram (Agassiz): Today it is my privilege to acknowledge a remarkable milestone for Metcalfe's Garage in Treherne as this family -owned business proudly celebrates its 125th anniversary.

2112 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 This extraordinary legacy began five generations ago when Thomas A. Metcalfe founded the farm equipment business in Treherne, eventually expand- ing into the sales of Ford Model T 's. By 1924, the company had achieved this impressive feat of selling 100 of these iconic vehicles in just one year. Following Thomas, ownership passed to Clare, then to Hilliard, and subsequently to his two sons, Jack and Bruce Metcalfe.

Today we honour Neil Metcalfe, along with his family and staff, as they carry on the tradition of excellence and uphold the distinction of being Canada 's oldest Ford dealership. Neil has joined us here in the gallery today, and his staff have joined us virtually, watching from the garage. The facility, a certified Ford Millennium dealer - ship, spans over 16,000 square feet on more than four acres of property. Metcalfe 's Garage boasts an extensive selection of new and pre-owned vehicles, a well-stocked parts department and a team of certified Ford technicians ready to serve you.

The garage currently employs 26 full- time staff members. And I 've had the opportunity to visit the garage several times, and this spring, I got to see the dedicated team hard at work. Metcalfe's commitment to outstanding sales and service has not gone unnoticed. They have been awarded Ford's President's Award continuously since 2009, which speaks volumes about their dedication to customer service and satisfaction. To celebrate this significant anniversary, an event is scheduled for July 11 at the arena in Treherne.

In celebrating Metcalfe's Garage, we pay tribute to the tireless efforts and commitment of the Metcalfe family and their team, who have made a lasting impression in the community. May Metcalfe Garage remind us that small businesses are the backbone of our towns, and through passion and determination, we can make a meaningful difference. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. Moose Hide Campaign Day Mr. Tyler Blashko (Lagimodière): Honourable Speaker, I rise today to acknowledge Moose Hide Campaign Day.

This Indigenous -led movement recognizes the role men and boys have in addressing violence again women –against women, children and gender-diverse relatives. In 2011, Paul Lacerte and his daughter Raven were hunting near the Highway of Tears, a stretch of road in British Columbia known for the many Indigenous women who have gone missing. They used the hide of the moose to create the first moose - hide pins. While the campaign began in Indigenous com - munities on the west coast, wearing a moosehide pin has grown into a broader movement.

Today, schools, workplaces, families and entire communities are actively building futures centring the safety of women, children and gender-diverse relatives. I want to thank all those taking action today, including those on the steps of the Legislature. I want to uplift the women who have been doing this type of community-care work for decades. For too long, gender -based violence has been framed as a women's issue. Campaigns on domestic and gender-based violence have often relied on the free and undervalued labour of women, particularly Indigenous and racialized women.

They have ensured this crisis is part of the public consciousness, and it's well overdue that men and boys step up. The Moose Hide Campaign and those like it play an important role in insisting men and boys have an active role to play in addressing this crisis. The campaign encourages men to challenge toxic ideol - ogies surrounding masculinity and gender roles. Whether you 're a man in politics, the trades, sports, business, public service, a grandfather or a nephew, every day you have an opportunity to model a healthier way to relate to your communities.

For all who wear a moosehide pin, it is a commit- ment to contribute to safer spaces for all, and an assurance to challenge unhealthy behaviours that you see in yourself and other men and boys. A huge thank you to Raven Lacerte and the entire Moose Hide Campaign team for creating spaces for these conversations and for ensuring communities have the tools to build safer worlds for women, chil - dren and gender-diverse relatives. Thank you. Manitoba Wildfires Mr.

Konrad Narth (La Vérendrye): Honourable Speaker, today's statement is much more somber as I highlight the vast devastation wildfires are imposing on our province. My heart truly goes out to the families of Sue and Richie Nowell who were tragically –lost their lives a result of the Lac du Bonnet fire. My thoughts are with

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2113 their son Emmett and his girlfriend, who were able to escape injured but safe. The wildfires in my constituency near the com - munity of Carrick have now progressed into a full-scale forest fire, resulting in the evacuation and immediate threat to four commu nities, including St. Labre, Badger and Woodridge. The uncertainty of not knowing if your family home is safe is completely heart-wrenching. I had the opportunity to visit the evacuation centres last night and see some of the devastation created by these fires.

Through the loss and fear, I was able to see what I am truly proud of as a representative of those communities, and that is the tight-knit support for each other. Neighbours were helping each other while fire crews from more than eight different communities were battling some of the most intense fire conditions. What amazed me most were the farmers and neighbours coming together to help one another stay safe.

The greatest example of this was the de Jong, Wolfe and Hausammann farms, each from La Broquerie, more than 20 miles away come together with their own equipment to haul more than 300,000 gallons of water that not only helped to same–save Moonshadow Holsteins, one of the largest dairy farms in Manitoba, but also save the entire community of St. Labre, including the Justice Minister's family cabin. My thoughts and prayers are with all those that have–that–all the displaced families as they anxiously wait for conditions to improve.

I would also like to thank and encourage the hundreds of provincial and municipal firefighters risking their lives to protect those of others. Thank you. Winnipeg Boys' Choir 100th Anniversary Mr. Logan Oxenham (Kirkfield Park): Honourable Speaker, today I rise to acknowledge and celebrate the 100th anniversary season of the Winnipeg Boys ' Choir, a true Manitoba treasure. Founded in 1925 by the Men' s Musical Club of Winnipeg, the Winnipeg Boys ' Choir is the oldest free-standing boys' choir in Canada, a fact that fills us all with hometown pride.

I recently had the joy of attending their centennial concert titled All the Way Home, and I must tell you, it was an afternoon I soon won't forget. Sitting in the Crescent Fort Rouge United Church, hearing those young voices fill the space with such pure sound, from the smallest treble chorister to the confident young men of the senior chorus, I couldn' t help but think of how many Manitoban families have been touched by this organization over its 100 years. * (14:00) The choir currently features three ensembles, creating opportunities for boys ages six to 21.

What struck me during the concert was not just their technical precision, but the obvious joy on their faces as they performed. That kind of enthusiasm comes from the nurturing atmosphere created by Artistic Director Carolyn Boyes, and conductors Albert Bergen and Spencer Duncanson. These educators don't just teach notes, they're helping shape confident young people who understand what it means to work together toward something beautiful. Our Winnipeg Boys' Choir regularly performs alongside our city's artistic crown jewels: the Winnipeg Symphony Orchestra, Royal Winnipeg Ballet and Manitoba Chamber Orchestra.

When you see these young people holding their own alongside professional musicia ns, it makes you sit up a little straighter in your seat. Their excellence was recently recognized at the 2024 Winnipeg Music Festival, where the senior chorus received the Lieutenant Governor's trophy for most outstanding solo or group performance. I ask my colleagues to join me in congratulating the members of the choir, artistic staff, board mem- bers and proud parents who join us today in the gallery. Here's to another century of song.

Introduction of Guests The Speaker: Prior to oral questions, there are some guests in the gallery that I'm told have to leave before we'll be finished oral questions. So I draw all honour- able members' attention to the public gallery where we have with us today from the Heart and Stroke Foundation, Robyn Jones -Murrell, Dale Oughton, Derek Newman, Amanda McVicar, Tracy Mayede- Lok, Shannon Bayluk, Jackie Ratz, Stevie Goller, Kyla Siatecki, Christine Houde. They are the guests of the honourable Minister of Health, Seniors, Long- Term Care, the member from Union Station.

On behalf of all honour able members, we welcome you here today.

2114 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 ORAL QUESTIONS Individuals Lost in Wildfire Condolences to Family Mr. Obby Khan (Leader of the Official Opposition): Honourable Speaker, on behalf of myself, the member from Lac du Bonnet and our entire PC caucus, our hearts go out to the families and loved ones of the man and woman who tragically lost their lives in the wildfires near Lac du Bonnet. Names were just released: Sue and Rich Nowell. This is an unimaginable loss, and we extend our deepest condolences during this difficult time.

To the fire crews, we thank you for your tireless service doing what you can to protect Manitobans from the devastation they witnessed. To local residents, please be safe, listen to your officials, evacuation orders, because sometimes you only have minutes to escape. To all Manitobans, know we have your back today as we fight to control the wire –wildfires today and tomorrow when we come together to mourn and rebuild. I will have some specific questions for the Premier (Mr. Kinew), but I thought I will allow him the opportunity to respond to this. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. Hon.

Uzoma Asagwara (Deputy Premier): Honour- able Speaker, collectively, as Manitobans, we are all devastated at the loss of two beautiful and beloved individuals. We send our deepest condolences to their families, to their commu nity, who are all grieving right now. This is a very difficult time for Manitobans. I will say that we are seeing people come together in ways that are really monumental. It's important for people to stay connected. We cannot thank enough first responders, fire fighters, emergency respon ders, who are working really, day and night, ar ound the clock, to keep people safe.

Want to remind Manitobans to follow all safety orders as you hear them. It's a quickly evolving situation. We will keep you up to date, but certainly our deepest condolences to the families of– The Speaker: Time has expired. The honour able Leader of the Official Op posi- tion, on a supplementary question. Campfire Use in Provincial Parks Request for Fire Ban Mr. Obby Khan (Leader of the Official Opposition): Honourable Speaker, one of the most im portant actions a government can do during a time of crisis is to ensure consistency in messaging.

The Premier announces a state of emergency and urges Manitobans to avoid campfires. However, at the same time, hi s Minister of Environment and Climate Change (MLA Moyes) has a different set of advice, which I table for the House today. Under this NDP minister –guidance, quote –and I quote: Campfires permitted between the hours of 8 p.m. and 8 a.m. End quote. Including Pinawa, Whiteshell and Wallace Lake, to name a few. During a time of crisis where people have sadly perished, properties destroyed and fire fighters exhausted, why is the govern ment not bringing in a blanket fire ban? Why take the risk? Hon.

Uzoma Asagwara (Deputy Premier): Honour- able Speaker, it's really disappointing to see the Leader of the Op position politicize a very, very ser - ious issue, the most serious wildfire situation we've seen in our province very, very early on in the season. We're not going to politicize this issue. We are seeing already some devastating and tragic consequences of these wildfires. Our govern ment is working with our emergency measures experts and teams, following their guidance and their expertise. This is a quickly evolving situation.

We're getting the infor mation out through our platforms to make sure Manitobans have up- to-date details and we're going to continue to do so. We encourage and ask all Manitobans, please pay attention to that information; follow it exactly as it's presented. Thank you. The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary question. Mr. Khan: Honourable Speaker, I'm not politicizing; I'm asking a question. That is our job, to ask questions of the minister. If they don't want to answer the question, then don't be a minister.

The rural municipality of Coldwell has put out a complete burn ban, which I will table. That includes– [interjection] The Speaker: Order. Mr. Khan: –no firepits.

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2115 Lundar Beach Provincial Park, which is in the RM of Coldwell, has, according to the minister, no fire restrictions. Campfires permitted anytime. Talk about confusing. The RM is telling people to stop burning, while the NDP–[interjection] The Speaker: Order. The government bench will come to order. Mr. Khan: The RM is telling people to stop burning while the NDP minister says, go ahead. Will the Premier (Mr. Kinew) pull his minister aside and explain that a blanket fire ban in provincial parks is required today to protect lives and property?

MLA Asagwara: Honourable Speaker, our govern - ment is working directly with emergency measures office leadership. We're working directly with fire - fighters. We're working directly with reeves, mayors, municipalities, communities, park services office. We're working with everyone. Everyone is at the table, working around the clock to make sure that Manitobans are as safe as possible and that our first responders and firefighters have clear access to keep people safe and do the work that they need to do.

Honourable Speaker, we have shared infor ma- tion, and the Premier this morning shared a very clear message on this. We need folks to fire –to follow, rather–apologies–the advice that's being disseminated to the letter to make sure they're staying up to speed. And we're going to continue with all of our partners, who apparently are not on the member opposite's– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a new question. Private Members' Resolution Request for Government Support Mr.

Obby Khan (Leader of the Official Opposition): Honourable Speaker, for this failing Premier, it's games before Manitobans. They voted against justice for the Jordyn Reimer and for her family. They voted against removing inter- provincial trade barriers. The NDP are more interested in playing games and taking credit than helping Manitobans. Honourable Speaker, the NDP voted against removing interprovincial trade barriers, but I promise you, next week, this NDP govern ment is magically going to table a bill that's exactly the same as the one before. Why?

Because they don't actually care about Manitobans; they care about playing games, just like they did when they forced the MLA for Tyndall Park to pull her Keira's Law bill so they could take credit for it. What exactly in the free trade bill did the NDP find so objectionable–[interjection] The Speaker: Order. Mr. Khan: –that they had to vote against it, Honour- able Speaker? Hon. Uzoma Asagwara (Deputy Premier): Honour- able Speaker, with the long weekend soon coming, we want to make sure that Manitobans stay safe.

We want to ensure everyone does not have campfires, that they follow the advice of our fire fighters and emergency measures offices who are keeping Manitobans up to speed. Again, I want to thank the reeves, mayors, muni- cipalities, emergency measures offices. I want to thank the other jurisdictions who are here in Manitoba putting their lives on the line to keep Manitobans safe. * (14:10) This is an all- hands-on-deck approach, rapidly evolving situation.

Our gov ernment is working 24- 7 to protect Manitobans and make sure they have accurate infor mation, and we're doing that with everybody at the table as Manitobans. Unfortunately, the member for Fort Whyte isn't on that team right now. The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Mr. Khan: Honourable Speaker, I asked about justice for Jordyn Reimer's family–Jordyn, who was killed in a car accident. And this NDP gov ernment voted against it. I asked for answers on why they voted against the interprovincial trade barriers movement, and no answer.

Manitobans deserve answers; that's what their job is. It is our job to ask them. It was shocking to see the NDP MLAs fake sympathy while the family was sitting in the gallery crying, Honourable Speaker. A simple referral to an outside agency would have gone a long way in restoring people's faith in our justice system, faith in the Reimer family and Manitobans, a faith shaken by this NDP government.

2116 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 It is a failed Justice Minister–is so confident in his decision not to pursue charges in the Jordyn Reimer case. Why will he not seek a second opinion? Does he not like being second-guessed, just like his toxic boss? MLA Asagwara: Honourable Speaker, our govern - ment stands with the Reimer family. We have multiple ministers and members of our team who have met with the family as recent as yesterday, and we'll continue to sit down and meet with them and make sure their voices are heard as we move forward.

Our Justice Minister has taken many steps–many steps–to strengthen laws here in Manitoba with the full support of MADD Canada and other organi - zations that our government is working directly with to move laws in the right direction, to make sure that we're mitigating tragic out comes from happening again. I encourage members opposite to take a different approach that really focuses on unifying around improving this area of our justice system instead of focusing on division. The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary question. Mr.

Khan: Manitobans, you heard it right there–more misleading facts by this NDP gov ernment. They say they stand with the Reimer family, but they vote against the very resolution the family is calling for. If that isn't stabbing the family in the back, I don't know what is. No ideas; only games by this NDP govern ment. They talk about free trade; they vote against it. They talk about justice; they deny it for the Reimer family. They see a good idea; they steal it. It's shameful, it's disgusting and it's today's NDP. Will the Premier (Mr.

Kinew) turn the page, stop playing games with Manitobans, by supporting good policy, regardless of who proposed it? MLA Asagwara: Honourable Speaker, I think Manitobans, when they look around this Chamber, would probably argue that disgusting behaviour really lives on that side of the House. We can see it in the Leader of the Opposition's approach. This is the same person who has collected a tax rebate of $160,000 for an ad that he ran under targeting murder victims of a serial killer.

Honourable Speaker, if you want to talk about disgusting, callous, despicable, shameful, unbecoming of an elected official in this Chamber, take a look over at the member for Fort Whyte and the campaign he ran over –ran under where he's collecting a rebate based on targeting the families of murder victims. Honourable Speaker, there is not a single Manitoban who can learn a lesson from him. The Speaker: Member's time has expired. Free Trade and Mobility Within Canada Legislation to Remove Interprovincial Trade Barriers Mrs.

Lauren Stone (Midland): This NDP govern - ment is playing games with Manitobans and Manitoba businesses. They voted against the free trade and labour mobility within Canada act today for political purposes. Legislation that is actively before the House to remove interprovincial trade barriers wa s voted down by this NDP government. When will this Premier quit playing games with Manitoba and Manitoba busi nesses for political purposes? Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. The Speaker: Order, please. Once again, I would call the government bench to order. Hon.

Adrien Sala (Minister of Finance): Honour- able Speaker, I don't know if the member missed the memo, but yesterday, our Premier announced, along- side the Premier of Ontario, that we signed a new MOU to reduce interprovincial trade barriers between Manitoba and Ontario. We're getting the job done, and we're doing the work to build a stronger economy, starting with our $3.7-billion capital plan where we're getting the job done that the members opposite never did when it comes to building schools, building PCHs, building NEWPCC. We're also, of course, investing in buy Canadian.

We're bringing back dollars to Canada through changes to procurement. We're investing in trade - supporting infrastructure, like the Port of Churchill, the rail line that goes there, CentrePort. We are creating more op portunities for Manitoba busi nesses to get their goods to market because we are going to continue focus on building the strongest economy in Canada. The Speaker: Member's time has expired. The honourable member for Midland, on a sup- plementary question.

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2117 Mrs. Stone: Honourable Speaker, that Premier (Mr. Kinew) also said that legis lation was coming. They clearly want all the glory without doing any of the work because legis lation was before the House today to recognize reciprocal provinces, and this NDP government voted it down–powerful, good legislation that would be consistent with what other provinces in the country are doing, and they voted it down. For what reason did this NDP vote down reciprocal legislation to remove interprovincial trade barriers? MLA Sala: Honourable Speaker, we're getting the job done.

We're moving forward with reducing inter - provincial trade barriers while we continue to take action to move our economy forward. You know what's also im portant to move an economy forward? Energy. You know what they did for seven and a half years when it comes to creating new energy? Nothing, Honour able Speaker. They didn't build one single megawatt in seven and a half years. And, you know, to move our economy forward, we need to have energy to support more investment in Manitoba. We were proud to being in a–bring in an an nouncement: 600 megawatts.

We're going to develop a win in part nership with First Nations. We're moving our economy forward, and we're going to continue doing that every single day. The Speaker: The honourable member for Midland, on a final supplementary question. Mrs. Stone: The free trade bill was intro duced on April 15, which is 31 days ago. This NDP government has had ample time to bring forward its own legis - lation, but they stalled for months. They want all the glory without having to do any of the work.

Instead, they are waiting until the final days of session to bring forward legislation as a result of mounting pressure from Premier Doug Ford. When will the failed minister quit playing games with Manitobans and Manitoba businesses? MLA Sala: I invite the members opposite to get on team Manitoba, get on team Canada. We're doing the work with the biggest economy in Canada, and we're moving things forward. Not only are we bringing down those trade barriers. Again, we're making incred ibly impor tant invest- ments in trade-supporting infrastructure to help busi- nesses get their goods to market.

We've invested in energy infrastructure. We're moving forward with critical minerals thanks to the good work being done by the minister for jobs. And, of course, we brought in a payroll tax cut to make it easier for a small- and medium-sized business to succeed. As you can see, Hon ourable Speaker, this team, on this side of the House, we are building a stronger economy for tomorrow. Death of Jordyn Reimer Request for Out-of-Province Review Mr. Wayne Balcaen (Brandon West): As we've seen, the NDP loves playing political games with Manitobans.

Shamefully playing games with the death of a young, vibrant lady, with her family up in the gallery, has to be addressed. I ask the Premier: Why did he instruct his caucus to delay justice for Jordyn yet again today? Hon. Matt Wiebe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): Honourable Speaker, once again I had an opportunity to speak with Karen today. Jordyn's death is still so raw, and it's still so raw for so many, not just the family but so many in the community, so many in this House and in this Chamber.

It's why we're doing absolutely everything we can to make every step that we can take when it comes to strengthening our impaired driving legislation here in this province. And we've shown we're ready to do this in a nonpartisan way. Once again, I implore the members opposite to put the partisan swords down. Let's get to work, and let's make our roads safer. The Speaker: The honourable member for Brandon West, on a supplementary question. Mr. Balcaen: One signature is all it would take.

The Premier didn't have the courage to answer my question of why the NDP denied justice for Jordyn. * (14:20) Second opinions are not new to Attorney Generals. Peter Nygård was charged because of a second opinion by a real Attorney General. Gord Mackintosh did it; Dave Chomiak did it. Why does our current Attorney General not have the courage to do the right thing for the Reimer family? Mr. Wiebe: Member for Steinbach (Mr. Goertzen) was the former Attorney General. Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. The Speaker: Order.

2118 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 Mr. Wiebe: He had the op portunity to ask for a review–it was within his department–of this case. He refused the family. He said no. I said yes. I said that we would look at this case and we would bring every resource to ensure that everything was done to support this family when it comes to the prosecution of this case. Now, the member opposite knows that we are taking steps when it comes to impaired driving, and all it takes is for that party to put down their partisan swords and come to the table, work with us, and let's make our roads safer.

They continue to refuse to do that, and I– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. The honourable member for Brandon West, on a final supplementary question. Mr. Balcaen: Drop the 'pardiban' –'partimanship.' One signature is all it takes. The Premier (Mr. Kinew) refuses to answer; the Attorney General refuses to answer as well. The members of the NDP govern ment who have children, such as the members for Riel, Rossmere, Kildonan-River East, St. James and Concordia: will one of them stand up and answer why their entire NDP government denied justice for Jordyn today? Mr.

Wiebe: Every member in this Chamber cares about the victims of impaired driving. And every member of this govern ment caucus is going to fight tooth and nail every single day to ensure there are no more deaths on our highways when it comes to impaired driving. That's why we're stepping up. We're giving the RCMP more tools. We're building on our community programs and our education programs asked for by the Reimer family. We're supporting MADD Canada; we're supporting victims of impaired driving, and we brought legislation every single session in this House, including Bill 5.

The members opposite need to get on board, support that legis lation and stop with the partisan games. Free Trade and Mobility Within Canada Act Government Vote on Bill 227 Mr. Josh Guenter (Borderland): The NDP are quick to wrap themselves in the flag, but they refuse to actually get off the sidelines and join team Canada. The hypocrisy of this NDP govern ment to talk about buy Canada and then vote against free trade within Canada. Why did the minister responsible for government purchasing vote against The Free Trade and Mobility Within Canada Act? The Speaker: The honour able minister of gov ern- ment services.

Hon. Mintu Sandhu (Minister of Public Service Delivery): I want to thank the member for that question. That member wants to be the 51st state of the States. It is not going to happen. Member from Midland wants –they had –she liked our budget so much, she have no complaints about the budget; only complaint was why Elon Musk wasn't getting the discount. And the member from Fort Whyte thanked Trump. So I'll just–that side of the House, we will take no lessons from them. The Speaker: The honourable member for Borderland, on a supplementary question. Mr.

Guenter: Once again, Speaker, that minister is a stranger to the truth. The Premier expenses a flight to Toronto to ride Doug Ford's coattails, and the very next day his entire caucus voted against inter - provincial trade. They voted against ripping down bureaucratic barriers. They voted against opportunities for Manitobans and they voted against Canada in a trade war. We stand with Manitobans; we stand for national unity. Why did this minister vote against Canada? The Speaker: Order, please. Order, please.

The comments that the hon ourable member for Borderland made in his question about stranger to the truth had previously been ruled as being out of order, so I would ask the member to kindly withdraw those comments and apologize. Mr. Guenter: Honourable Speaker, I'm asking for clarification. I did not use that phrase previously. The Speaker: For the honour able member for Borderland's (Mr. Guenter) clarification, he just used it in his response or, in his question. Previous times that particular phrase has been ruled as being out of order, unparliamentary.

So, rather than argue with the Speaker, I would ask him to apologize and withdraw. Mr. Guenter: Thank you, Speaker. I apologize and withdraw.

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2119 Hon. Jamie Moses (Minister of Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation): Honourable Speaker, let me be clear with–for you and for all Manitobans that we're a leader on internal trade and will continue to be a leader on internal trade. We are working with provinces and territories right across the country to break down barrie rs to internal trade and make sure our economy moves forward. And that's why we were out in Ontario signing a new MOU to break down internal barriers with the Ontario government. That's real leadership, real action.

We're getting it done while members opposite talk about thanking Trump for the tariffs. That's the last thing our economy needs. On this side we'll get the job done for all Manitobans. Children in CFS Care Inquiry into Hotel Placement Ms. Jodie Byram (Agassiz): Yesterday, Global News revealed the shocking and disturbing truth that the Minister of Families would rather keep hidden. To the minister: How many Manitoba children have been housed in hotels over the last 18 months? Hon. Nahanni Fontaine (Minister of Families): The member knows that I can't share details on specific CFS files.

I've told her that re peatedly and she keeps getting up in the House and wants me to break the law. Unfortunately, I'm not going to do that. What I can say to the member and to the Chamber is that the CFS standards are clear: hotels are not to be used as placements. There are, in some circum - stances, hotel stays for medical appointments, family visits, or in the planning of family reunification. I am in constant direct contact with author ities and agencies and it is clear that the CFS standards are in compliance with agencies and authorities.

The Speaker: The honourable member for Agassiz, on a supplementary question. Ms. Byram: Just to be clear, I wasn't asking for spe - cifics. I was asking for numbers. That should be a simple question, but yet the minister failed to say–the number should be zero, actually. She is, once again, housing vulnerable children in hotels. When is the minister's –when, in this minister's mandate, was the first child housed in a hotel? MLA Fontaine: Again, the CFS standards are clear: hotels are not to be used as placements.

They are sometimes used as hotel stays for family visits, medical appointments, and planning in family reunification. And the member knows that, under my admin- istration, we have proclaimed kinship and cus tomary care agreements. We raised the basic maintenance rates by 10 per cent, some thing that wasn't done in 13 years, and that we are actively moving towards jurisdiction here in Manitoba. And she knows, because I've said it many, many times. Child welfare is going to look incredibly different in five to 10 years with more children with their fam- ilies in their communities and in their nations.

The Speaker: The honourable member for Agassiz, on a final supplementary question. Ms. Byram: Honourable Speaker, a 15-year-old was left in charge of multiple siblings under the age of 10 for two weeks. A 13- year-old ran away from the hotel. Family members have asked the minister, and I quote: What is she doing to protect our children? What is she doing for the safety of our children? So I ask: Will the minister answer those families here today? MLA Fontaine: What I will say again is that the standards are clear: hotels are not to be used as placements.

They are sometimes used as stays for medical appointments, family visits, or family reuni- fication. * (14:30) What I will say is that it is incredibly irresponsible for any journalist to include pictures of children that are in care without their consent and that can be easily identified and traced. I take great exception as the Minister of Families for anybody that would put in harm's way children that are in child welfare; it's incredibly irresponsible and that's what the member should be getting up on today. The Speaker: Member's time has expired.

Mining and Mineral Exploration Request to Modernize Provincial Laws MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): Manitoba has in credible potential in mining and critical minerals, yet we've fallen to 12th out of 13 provinces and territories for exploration spending. Investors are choosing other juris dictions because our system is outdated and uncompetitive. While other provinces have moved to a digital claims system, Manitoba still requires ground staking, that is costly, slow and intrusive.

2120 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 What is the plan to modernize our mining laws to make Manitoba a competitive market again? Hon. Jamie Moses (Minister of Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation): Honourable Speaker, I am so glad to get a chance to talk about the critical mineral sector, mining. We've just had prospectors and developers here this week and it's a great time for me to talk about the brand-new gold mine we opened in Lynn Lake, Manitoba.

This is a billion -dollar investment right here in Manitoba and it's going to put over 600 Manitobans to work during the construction phase, 450 to work during operations. This is a great oppor tunity eco - nomically and you know what's the best part? We did it in collaboration with First Nations in the community so that all Manitobans can benefit from our critical mineral industry here in Manitoba. The Speaker: The honourable member for Tyndall Park, on a supplementary question.

Mining and Mineral Industry Indigenous Revenue Sharing MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): Honour- able Speaker, provinces including Ontario and British Columbia are showing real leadership by partnering with Indigenous com munities and sharing mineral revenues. These partnerships are unlocking economic growth and building trust. How exactly is Manitoba pursuing Indigenous revenue sharing to strengthen relationships, attract investment and create opportunities across the province? Hon.

Jamie Moses (Minister of Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation): Honourable Speaker, it is very important to point out the work that needs to be done to make sure that we have First Nations and Métis commu nities engaged in the critical minerals sector, something that was ignored and failed by the former government.

On this side of the House we've already started to correct that work by working collaboration with First Nations and Métis, and we've actually struck a Manitoba Mining Advisory Council where First Nations and Métis have a place at the table to advise as to how we go forward and that works in col labo- ration with industry and with academia. Honourable Speaker, that's how we move this industry forward; by doing so together, so that all Manitoba can greet the benefits from our critical minerals sector.

And I think that's some thing members opposite fail to understand, but Manitobans can rest assured that we will get it right. The Speaker: The honourable member for Tyndall Park on a final supplementary question. Manitoba's Critical Minerals Competitiveness Concerns MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): Critical minerals are essential for the global transition to clean technology. Our province has really fallen behind compared to other provinces, and this delay is costing jobs, pushing businesses away and causing us to miss out on opportunities that could b enefit both northern and southern com munities.

This inaction is hurting workers, entrepreneurs and especially Indigenous communities. What steps is this government taking to compete in the critical minerals economy? Hon. Jamie Moses (Minister of Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation): Honourable Speaker, members opposite are, you know–from Tyndall Park, is right, that critical minerals are essential to moving our clean economy forward and that's why we take it seriously. That's why we launched our strategy last year.

And that is why we are continuing to advance critical mineral projects in the right way, some thing the members opposite failed to do, failed to get done and failed to deliver on. We're correcting that and we're getting it done and we're getting it right. Let me tell you, Hon ourable Speaker, that we invested $1.5 million with the Mining Association of Manitoba to make sure that we can actually achieve and capitalize on the next invest- ments, the next mine, the next oppor tunity for us to succeed in the critical minerals space.

Not only do we have a new gold mine in Lynn Lake, we also have a potash mine here in Manitoba– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. Wildfires in Manitoba Government Update MLA David Pankratz (Waverley): Honourable Speaker, Manitobans and Canadians alike are watch - ing anxiously as the emergency wildfire situation in Whiteshell develops. We were devastated to learn that two Manitobans tragically lost their lives. Our hearts go out to their families, their commu nity, first respon ders involved during this incred ibly difficult time. And we also

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2121 extend our support to the evacuees who are anxious and facing challenges as they leave their homes, sometimes on very sudden and short notice. And this is an emergency that our govern ment is working with emergency measures offices and experts on managing. Can the minister please update the House on any further developments on the wildfire situations across the province? Hon.

Ian Bushie (Minister of Natural Resources and Indigenous Futures): Again, our thoughts and prayers are with the family and the loved ones of the families that–the two that–Manitobans that we lost in this terrible tragedy. I'd like to thank the member for the question. I'd also like to wish everybody a safe and happy May long weekend. But at the same time, we need to be vigilant. We need to be vigilant as this emergent situation, this developing situation that changes not only on a daily basis but even on an hourly basis.

And we want to be able to ensure that people have the op portunity to listen to evacuation orders and please, please, please be vigilant when it comes time to being able to allow emergency personnel to do their duties and do their responsibilities. So we've also had–of course, the Whiteshell area is now in a state of emergency as well too. So we want to be able to have that oppor tunity to tell Manitobans to let our first responders, let our emer - gency personnel, let our Wildfire Service do their due diligence– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. Rural 911 Emergency Services Call Not Reaching Dispatch Mr.

Derek Johnson (Interlake-Gimli): When Manitobans call 911, they expect someone to answer. But we're hearing alarming reports of how many of these calls are not getting through. This is a critical failure in our emergency response system. Can the Premier (Mr. Kinew) tell this House how many 911 calls are not getting through? Hon. Mike Moroz (Minister of Innovation and New Technology): I want to thank the member again for raising this important question. When someone calls for help, they should get it.

That's why when we learned of the failures with private telecommunications companies, that they had prevented a Manitoban from getting life -saving care, we took action. We spoke to the family to share our condolences and vowed to hold TELUS to account. We demanded TELUS in vestigate the incident a nd work with its partners to understand what went wrong. We've reviewed the interim report from TELUS and the CRTC which confirms it was a TELUS outage that impacted 911 calls. We're meeting with TELUS later today to discuss both what went wrong and what steps are being taken to ensure it never happens again.

We've committed– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. The honourable member for Interlake-Gimli, on a supplementary question. Mr. Johnson: Honourable Speaker, other calls went through. It was only the calls to the 911. Every second counts in an emergency, but in rural Manitoba, people are reporting that 911 calls are not connecting. This raises serious concerns about the reliability of our emergency infrastructure. Can the minister tell how many 911 calls are not getting through?

MLA Moroz: Honourable Speaker, I have to confess I'm a little disappointed that the member opposite continues to make this a political issue when it needn't be. But if you're going to, then I feel justified in raising your record on this. I want to quote from the Lac du Bonnet Clipper, September 7, 2023. Councillor Curt Buley of RM of Reynolds: we're only 45 miles from Winnipeg. This is crazy. I've been working on this issue since 2017 as it's major for us. Your inaction on this issue, opposition, could have prevented some of the problems we're seeing now. I want to table that

article for the House so members can refresh their memory on the record. The Speaker: The honourable member for Interlake- Gimli, on a final supplementary question. Mr. Johnson: If this failing NDP government doesn't know how many rural 911 calls are not connecting, that in itself is a serious concern. * (14:40) Honourable Speaker, shouldn't the minister know how the current state of the Manitoba 911 system is? Will the minister call a public inquiry into their 911 disaster?

2122 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 The Speaker: Just before the minister answers, I would remind him to make sure his response goes through the Chair. MLA Moroz: Of course. Apologies, Honour able Speaker. I want to remind the op position again that your record on rural cellphone coverage is appalling. You did nothing when a man in Alonsa died because he didn't have cell service to hear a tornado warning. We're taking action. We're talking to the family. That's taking action. We're working with the telecom companies, with the federal govern ment and the CRTC to make improve ments.

We're meeting with TELUS later today. If the member has anything of actual value to add, he should do so now. The Speaker: Just before the next question, I would once again warn the minister that he needs to think when he's speaking, because he did directly address members opposite by saying you again instead of through the Chair. Wildfires Currently Burning in Manitoba Call Volumes and Staffing at 911 Dispatch Centre Mr. Konrad Narth (La Vérendrye): Honourable Speaker, a constituent of mine had a building on his yard burned down while a concerned neighbour was unable to access 911 services.

The neighbour was eventually able to get a hold of the local fire chief on his personal line, and the fire was stopped be fore it spread to their home. Has the minister expanded staffing at the dispatch centre to address the call volumes during this emer - gency situation? Hon. Uzoma Asagwara (Deputy Premier): Honour- able Speaker, when someone calls for help, when someone calls emergency 911 services for help, they should be able to count on receiving that help.

Which is why our government was so concerned to hear not only of this tragedy, but there have been other concerns raised under the previous govern ment that went unaddressed for years. That's why our govern ment has demanded that TELUS Mobility and providers bring forward a report that outlines for our govern ment what steps they are taking to ensure that this does not happen to Manitobans moving forward. We are demanding they provide us all of the information necessary so that, as a government, we can make informed decisions and ensure that we have the support in the right places.

We expect our providers to deliver services to Manitobans that keep them safe. The Speaker: The honourable member for La Vérendrye, on a supplementary question. Mr. Narth: Honourable Speaker, my situation is completely new. The minister is respon sible for Emergency Management Organization. EMO was responsible for the centre. If Manitobans are unable to access 911 in an emergency, it is her responsi bility to address it. I have spoken with many Manitobans who have gotten left on hold when they called 911 recently. What has she done to ensure Manitobans are heard during this emergency situation?

MLA Asagwara: Honourable Speaker, I'm con - cerned that the member opposite is really misin - formed. Really doesn't understand the process or the structure in terms of how emergency response services are actually organized, and who is respon - sible for what. I know that the minister would be more than willing to sit down with that member and walk him through it step by step so that when he stands in the House, he understands what he's bringing forward.

But I also want to highlight, we're going into a long weekend, we really want for Manitobans to have all information, check out the websites, stay informed, keep yourselves safe. I also want to say, Honourable Speaker, it's been really difficult being in this House, hearing members opposite share personal infor mation of others in this House, invoke their children. It is disgusting what we're seeing on that side of the House. It's a reflection of the failed leadership already of the leader opposite. Do better. The Speaker: Your time has expired. An Honourable Member: On a point of order.

The Speaker: The honourable member for–the time for question period has expired.

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2123 Point of Order Hon. Nahanni Fontaine (Government House Leader): On a point of order, Honourable Speaker. I do just want to raise the issue in this Chamber of some of the things that we've seen over the last couple of weeks. And again, I'll remind the House that it started with the member for Riding Mountain (Mr.

Nesbitt) when he asked really despicable ques - tions of the Minister of Finance (MLA Sala) and tried to infer that the Minister of Finance was doing some- thing he shouldn't have been doing and really ques - tioning the Minister of Finance in respect of, like, mental health supports. And what we saw after that was that there was, you know, a statement in the House that ensured that members of the House know that we have privilege in this House to say pretty much everything, but without clarification or qualification.

And what that ended up doing is that it ensured that anything that folks say opposite is allowed in this House. But there are lines that aren't crossed. There were lines that were crossed that shouldn't have been crossed a couple of weeks ago with the mem ber for Riding Mountain. And we saw it again today, just mere minutes ago, with the member for Brandon West (Mr. Balcaen). You don't invoke members' children in this Chamber or outside this Chamber. You don't invoke members' families.

You–there is just lines, or a prin - ciple that we should have in this Chamber that our families, our children, our loved ones are not brought into this Chamber and into the toxicity of this space that they never asked for. They didn't sign up for it. All of us in this Chamber signed up for, in some respects, some of that. But if the members opposite want to, you know, continue to disrespect the women and gender-diverse folks on this side of the House, unfortunately, that is their right in this Chambe r. But there is lines that should not and must not be crossed.

And the member for Brandon West, alongside his buddy, the member for Riding Mountain, crossed lines. It's unacceptable. Mr. Derek Johnson (Official Opposition House Leader): Obviously, the content of the questions and sadly, the content of the answers are just mere disputed facts and they don't fall under your purview, Honourable Speaker, of what the actual content contains. And I just find it amusing that this point of order is coming from somebody who's been called out 13 times in this House in the last couple of weeks. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. The Speaker: Order, please. Order, please.

The points that have been raised are very im por- tant points, which is why I'm going to take it under advisement to make sure that I come back with a well- thought-out, well-researched and thorough response. Multiple times, I've asked us all to be more respectful of each other and I will continue to ask that of all of us. PETITIONS Opposition to Releasing Repeat Offenders Mr. Obby Khan (Leader of the Official Opposition): I wish to present the following petition. To the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba; the background to this petition is as follows:

(1) Kellie Verwey, a beloved young woman from Portage la Prairie, Manitoba, was tragically killed in a car crash caused by a repeat violent offender with a long criminal history.

(2) Despite repeated violations of his bail con- ditions, the offender was free to roam the streets and to ultimately claim Kellie's life. This tragedy was entirely preventable.

(3) While the Criminal Code falls under federal jurisdiction, provinces have been given the respon- sibility for the administration of justice, allowing for meaningful provincial action on bail reform to ensure public safety.

(4) Other provinces have taken proactive steps to strengthen bail– The Speaker: Order, please. If I could just interrupt the member for a couple of minutes. If I could ask members to please stay for a minute. I've got an announce ment to make as soon as this member's done with his petition. * (14:50) Mr. Khan: I forgot if I was on three or four, so, sorry.

(3) While the Criminal Code falls under fed eral jurisdiction, provinces have been given the responsibility for the administration of justice, allowing for mean - ingful provincial action on bail reform to ensure public safety.

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(4) Other provinces have taken proactive steps to strengthen bail enforcement, but Manitoba has not used all of the available tools to address this issue effectively.

(5) The provincial government has the ability and the responsibility to advocate for and implement measures that protect its citizens by ensuring that repeat violent offenders are not released into our communities without proper safeguards.

(6) Immediate action is required to close gaps in the justice system that allow dangerous criminals to remain free, which puts innocent Manitobans at risk. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows:

(1) To urge the provincial government to take immediate and decisive action on bail reform to address serious deficits in enforcement by utilizing all available provincial mechanisms to strengthen warrant enforcement, increasing bail supervision, and op- posing release of offenders, thus ensuring that repeat violent offenders are held accountable and that public safety is prioritized over leniency; and

(2) To urge the provincial government to lobby the federal government to immediately repeal pro - visions of the Criminal Code that allow for the continued victimization of law -abiding Manitobans while granting repeat offenders additional rights. Honourable Speaker, this petition has been signed by Ryle -ann Steeden, Rachel [phonetic]–Rochelle Rant [phonetic]–Rands and Ruth Aucoin and many other Manitobans. * * * The Speaker: At this point in time I wanted as many members here as possible because after two years of serving as a page here in the Legislature Building, Mai-Anh Huynh is sad to say goodbye.

Having the oppor tunity to work as a page was initially daunting, even a bit intimidating, but she grew to immensely enjoy the work whether it was the liveliness of question period or the calm com mittees late in the evening. This June, Mai -Anh is graduating from Collège Churchill High School. She's planning on taking some personal time for growth and develop ment by going to a school abroad for a year before deciding her time to her –before dedicating her time to her future academic studies.

With a growing interest in public policy and gov- ernance, in part thanks to paging, she is to pursue them in the future in the hopes of perhaps ending up back here. Mai-Anh is incredibly grateful for the experience she has gained as a page here at the Legis lative Building and for everyone who made it an educational and supportive environment. She would like to thank all the wonderful pages she's been able to work alongside with for the past two years as well as the rest of the Chamber Branch and anyone else who works in the building.

It's only because of them that she has had such a great ex per- ience, and she appreciates every single person and what they do to keep the proceedings of this building going. The lasting impact of this ex perience has had on Mai-Anh will no doubt stay with her forever, and she will always look back on it with ap preciation and gratitude. And we all thank you. Thank you. We can now return to petitions. Death of Jordyn Reimer–Judicial Review Request Mr. Wayne Balcaen (Brandon West): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) On May 1, 2022, Jordyn Reimer, 24 years of age, was killed by an impaired driver while she was acting as a designated driver.

(2) There are two people legally culpable for her death: the impaired driver and the accomplice. The driver was charged, but the second criminal, the accomplice, has not been held accountable.

(3) A concerned citizen took the keys from the impaired driver earlier in the evening to ensure he could not drive impaired. The accomplice retrieved the keys from this citizen under false pretenses and knowingly provided the impaired driver with access to the vehicle.

(4) The Winnipeg Police Service's, WPS, investi- gation provided adequate evidence to meet the charging standard and recom mended charges be laid against the accomplice. The Crown prosecutors declined to prosecute the accomplice.

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(5) The family of Jordyn Reimer has called for the prosecution of the accomplice and that the decision to not prosecute be reviewed independently.

(6) As recently as 2022, there is precedent to refer criminal files of decisions to not proceed with prosecution to extra-provincial departments of justice for review. This was done with the Peter Nygård file, which ultimately led to a reversal in the decision to not prosecute, and charges were laid.

(7) An out -of-province review is supported by MADD Canada, MADD Manitoba and by Manitobans.

(8) The family has exhausted every avenue within the existing system, and, in the absence of a prescribed process when a disagreement exists on charging standards, the only option is to request an independent out-of-province review.

(9) In December 2024, the WPS reported an alarming number of impaired drivers in the holiday Check Stop program. Extending criminal culpability beyond the driver to those who engage in overt actions to facilitate impaired driving will save lives.

(10) Manitobans deserve to have confi dence in the provincial gov ernment and justice systems to make decisions that achieve true justice for victims and their families. We petition the Legislative Assembly as follows: To urge the provincial gov ernment to order an out-of-province review of the prosecutor's decision to not prosecute the accomplice in the death of Jordyn Reimer. * (15:00) And, Honour able Speaker, this petition has been signed by Skim [phonetic] –Kim Skoc , Kevin Nelson, Linda MacDonald and many, many other fine Manitobans. The Speaker: Seeing no other petitions, grievances?

ORDERS OF THE DAY (Continued) GOVERNMENT BUSINESS Hon. Mike Moroz (Minister of Innovation and New Technology): I wish to table a response to written questions seven through 11 from the member for Selkirk (Mr. Perchotte). House Business Mr. Josh Guenter (Chairperson, Standing Com - mittee on Public Accounts): I would like to announce that the Standing Com mittee on Public Accounts will meet on Monday, May 26, 2025, at 6:30 p.m. to consider the following: the Auditor General's Report, Addictions Treatment Services in Manitoba, dated July 2023.

The Speaker: It has been announced that the Standing Committee on Public Accounts will meet on Monday, May 26, 2025, at 6:30 p.m. to consider the following: the Auditor General's Report, Addictions Treatment Services in Manitoba, dated July 2023. * * * Hon. Nahanni Fontaine (Government House Leader): Can you please resolve the House into Com mittee of Supply for the consid eration of De partmental Estimates. The Speaker: The House will now resolve into Com- mittee of Supply. Will the Deputy Speaker please take the Chair.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY (Concurrent Sections) ROOM 254 BUSINESS, MINING, TRADE AND JOB CREATION * (15:10) The Chairperson (Diljeet Brar): Will the Committee of Supply please come to order. This

section of the Committee of Supply will now resume con sideration of the Estimates for the Department of Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation. Questioning for this department will proceed in a global manner. The floor is now open for questions. Mr. Ron Schuler (Springfield-Ritchot): Well, it's great to be here on a beautiful afternoon on a Thursday with the minister, who I have known for many years, way back to our days in River East school division. And I know everybody on committee is thinking: Oh, I bet you they went to high school together. But I–no, it wasn't that.

I was a school trustee and he was a student, and I believe the minister was also very active on sports teams at River East Collegiate and maybe he wants to reflect a little bit. I don't actually

2126 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 remember all the sports he was involved with, and very active at River East Collegiate. I don't know if one is allowed to say this here, but I think he was one of the stars. Not sure–did–if he got athlete year of the year award, I don't–did he get–yes, maybe he should–you know what, it's good to sort of know where we all come from.

I mean, it has been a few years since he graduated and since I was on the school board, and he actually went to River East Collegiate with my nieces, and he was a bright, dynamic young student, and– was he athlete of the year for grade 12? I don't remember, but could the minister inform us on his sports career? The Chairperson: Thank you member for the question. It's always interesting and good to talk about sports, but I would respectfully advise the member to bring it back to Estimates so that it's relevant. So, you can add your comments to bring it back to the Estimates. Once again, I appreciate sports talk.

Mr. Schuler: How did all of those athlete of the year help him as minister of this department? The Chairperson: I'll let you give it another try. Anything related to minister's salary is usually discussed at the end of Estimates, so I would request the member to please bring it back and make it relevant to the Estimates. Mr. Schuler: Okay, I seem to be confused here. I don't think I ever asked about the minister's salary, but I would like to also ask the minister who his chief of staff is, on top of his other sports activities. Hon.

Jamie Moses (Minister of Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation): Thank you, honour able Chair, and I ap preciate your guidance through this situation. The line of questioning, which I appre ciate from member opposite, very happy to indulge about my athletic history, and perhaps you might even say, prowess. Yes, I attended River East Collegiate and I won, I believe it was, four athletes-of-the-year awards in the three years that I went there. Yes, the –actually does– that is actually true; they gave out two different awards, and one year I won both of them.

And I also won the provincial athlete of the year in my grade 12 year, as well as three provincial basketball titles while at River East, so I'm very happy about all that time. But spent some time coaching basketball after - wards–high school, and that was a lot of fun. But now to the business in hand.

My chief of staff or, as we call them, director of ministerial affairs is a very important role, and I'm very happy to have a good person doing excellent work in that position who has a lot of ex perience and has the attitude, the in -depth knowledge, the, I would say, you know, commitment, stamina and, I would say, dedi cation to do the job in an excellent fashion. And happy that his name is recorded in the order-in-council, available for all public to see.

And so anyone who wants to know the –my staff people, their–that political staff, their names are all listed in the order-in-council, and so folks–all Manitobans can go ahead and look at the staff information there. But happy to continue to answer any question from members opposite. The Chairperson: Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schuler: Well, that just shows what a athlete we have as minister, and I think he also went to school about the same time as Chad Posthumus. I don't know if he graduated with Chad. And as many of us know, unfortunately, Chad had a incident and passed away. I know the family well.

In fact, his younger sister played sports with one of my kids and his son with my younger children and– his sister and brother, pardon me–and know the Posthumus family. In fact, the mom, Diana Posthumus, was a principal of the River East Collegiate at one point in time. So, you know, it's all in the family, but River East Collegiate has certainly produced some amazing athletes, amazing busi ness people and individuals in the arts section. Just an –Jeff Kula was an amazing band teacher and music teacher. His–what he did with that school and giving it prominence was just unbelievable.

And the success of even my family members was just amazing. So–but all of these things do really bring us to a point of where we are today, right. Like, we go to school and we get to learn under some really dynamic individuals, and then we move on. And so today, we have a graduate of River East Collegiate and spor ts athlete. I don't know if I'm allowed to ask. I don't even know what the minister studied at univer sity. And I'm–from what I understand, he was even a recognized athlete at–I don't know if it was University of Manitoba or University of Winnipeg.

May just–it just speaks to how great this province is that we can have individuals grow and flourish through–and I'm particularly biased

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2127 about River East Transcona School Division–and move on. And today, he's a minister, and that's just really cool and it just shows, you know, the greatness of this province and the greatness of the school system. And I thank the minister for pointing out that we don't go with a chief of staff. I know under the previous Conservative govern ment, we had special assistant and executive assistant. Now it's kind of like chief of staff and assistant chief of staff.

Manitoba just doesn't seem to want to use those terms; it's used everywhere else in the country, but we don't and that's fine. And so to the minister: Who else does he have in his political staff in his office? And if he wants to reflect a little bit on his post-secondary education, it'd be interesting to hear, but I understand this is about the department, so leaving it there. The Chairperson: Thank you, Member for Springfield-Ritchot (Mr. Schuler). * (15:20) Mr. Moses: It's a very interesting time we're spending this afternoon in Estimates.

I do think that athletics and sports; time is –in your youth certainly shapes your future, and I think it's important for young people to be able to live up to their full potential by having opportunities to engage in activities that they feel relevant or important in their lives. For me, it was being involved in many things growing up, like athletics and like music and other things, and, you know, and find interests and passions that help drive you forward.

And so, very clearly, my message to young people and Manitobans is, take a s many opportunities as you can to find a fulfilling and worthwhile activities during your youth when you have the ability to do so. It's –can be–while bringing forward lasting memories, strong friendship and honestly, teach you much about yourself that you might find useful as you grow older in a variety of perspectives. Played football at the Univer sity of Manitoba; proud Bison. And it's a very exciting time to be there. And glad to have had that opportunity and also played football with the Winnipeg Rifles.

So I have three political staff: a director of minis- terial affairs, as was mentioned; as well as an execu - tive assistant and an issues manager, all of which have OICs. But I do want to just get to one other item here that was actually brought up the previous day in Estimates for this de partment, brought up by the member for Tyndall Park (MLA Lamoureux), around royalty rates. And so I just want to put it in the record for members around some of the royalty rates, and I'll just read out some of the 'rayl'–royalty rates here. And these are for quarries: stone and rock.

So for quarry minerals, there's a variety of rates, and I'll just put them on the record here. These are per kilogram. So for amber, it's $5.58. Bentonite, it's 67 cents. Kaolin, it's 67 cents. For other clays, it's 36 cents. Gypsum, the rate is 50 cents. Limestone greater than 90 per cent calcium carbonate is 36 cents. Silica sand greater than 95 per cent silica content is 50 cents.

Heavy mineral sand containing minerals such as 'illumite,' 'rutitile,' zircon, garnet, monazite, magnetite, 'kaonite,' tourmaline, sphene and 'apatinte,' 'biotine,' those are 39 cents–and forgive me if some of my–to all the geologists out there, if my pronunciation wasn't a hundred per cent perfect there. Coal is 56 cents. These are all, again, per kilogram. Shale is 56 cents. Salt is –sorry. Salt is 56 cents, shale is 36 cents. Peat is 6 cents per cubic metre. Gravel is 50 cents. Mining backfill is 21 cents. Those are all quarry minerals. Now for rock and stone.

There's common stone – there's two specific types: common stone and processed stone. So for common stone, it's 15 cents. Processed stone for–it's processed stone that's screened, crushed or pulverized, that stone; that's 36 cents. Dimension stone, which is shaped or cut, is $1.07. So all these rates were as of–updated, last updated in 2013. And the last

section there that the member from Tyndall Park might want to know as she asked the question in the previous session of Estimates, was around–might be also around the rehabilitation levy for quarries. And that, at the industry's request and lobbying, was actually increased from 12 cents per ton to 24 cents per ton in 2025. The Chairperson: Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schuler: Well, I'm sure the member for –the Liberal independent member will certainly appreciate those numbers. While we're on that topic, what is the royalty rate for oil? The Chairperson: Thank you, Member. Mr. Moses: I–you know, when I woke up this morn- ing and I–if I put on my list of things on my bingo card

2128 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 where that if he's talking about the provincial cham - pionships I won at River East Collegiate, I would not have suspected this would be in the line of discussion during Estimates today. * (15:30) But you know what? Life surprises you some - times, so take every bit of joy out of life as I can, and so having an oppor tunity to answer the member's questions regarding former athletic triumphs, I think, is a, you know, often– doesn't happen often, and so I take joy from every bit of it as I can.

But I also want to say that to all the athletes who are out there right now, who are doing an amazing, incredible job and in many respects surpassing heights that I even –would never have imagined, I commend them. And just think that we all should salute their remarkable achievements that they make, and find more ways for young people to–and people of all ages–to reach their full potential. I know seniors in my com munity who are achieving incred ible highs at pickleball, you know, and I'm sure would be able to–who would be able to mop the floor with me in pickleball, I'm sure.

So I commend all people who take advantage of those particular opportunities. And as the member opposite did mention in his last–or his previous question around Chad Posthumus, I did want to just send my, obviously, sincere condol- ences to his family. I've had a chance –had the pleasure–of not only getting to know Chad over the time, even though I did not go to school with him at River East; we were different years. Getting to know him and getting to know what a wonderful person he is, what an advocate and champion he is, on and off the basketball court.

Parti cularly his work with diabetes, I think, was incred ibly remarkable and he was such a passionate advocate for him. I even had a chance to play pick- up basketball with him, and I can truly say that he lives up to the name of being the Beast from River East. And so I certainly want to send deep con dolences to him, especially as the new Sea Bears team will be kicking off their season opener tomorrow, and they'll be certainly missing their dear captain, Chad Posthumus.

So as to the member opposite's question for royalty rates, royalty rates are based on the class of oil here in Manitoba and there are a variety of different classes of oil. There are actually four different classes of oil: new oil, old oil, third tier oil and holiday oil, and the ranges of those four classes –the rates for those four classes of oil range from 2.5 per cent to 10 per cent. The Chairperson: Thank you, Minister. I appreciate the sports talk again, but I think we should be focusing on the Estimates.

I again ap pre- ciate your not just sports –enthusiasm for sports, but also for performing arts that has been briefly mention- ed. I would like that more, but let's focus on the Estimates. So that's an advice from the Chair–[interjection] Order, please–[interjection] Order, please. It's part of the responsibility of the Chair and the staff to call on irrelevance, so that's what I just did. I would advise the members, while they're allowed to talk about certain things surrounding the subject, fine, but we need to bring it back to t he Estimates. That's what we are discussing right now. Mr.

Schuler: It's great celebrating your achieve - ments. Thank you for the rate on oil. My question to the minister is, is there any other fees that are placed on oil pumped here in Manitoba, or is it just the percentage range that the minister raised? Like he mentioned, it's about 2 and a half to 10 per cent, depending, I take it, on the quality of the oil. Is there any other fee that is imposed? The Chairperson: Thank you, Member. Mr. Moses: I thank the member opposite for the ques- tion.

You know, our oil and gas industry is one that is–plays a significant role in Manitoba, not only in our economy, but also in a very specific area geographic- ally in our province. So you can think of the southwest Manitoba area, Virden parti cularly, as being the oil and gas hub of Manitoba in our province there. I know the operations –is very sig nificant opera- tions of Tundra, Corex being the two major players there in Manitoba, and I had ongoing dialogue with them about our industry.

And I think it's very im por- tant for us to acknowledge all the people who work in that sector and ensure that our economy can continue to function and move on in terms of having the oil and gas products just that we need on a daily basis. And I think it's very important for us to just acknowledge the hard work that Manitobans put –play–in that industry and the jobs that are created out of the sector.

Now, when it comes to a very specific question the member asked on any other fees for oil, I just want to say the way that oil and any other fees are: first, when you think about just really the only fees that would be on top of the oil and gas tax, which is we

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2129 have a tax here in Manitoba, are the fees around getting a permit application for drilling, for the permitting oil and for the exploration as well. So it's really the fees associated with drilling, permitting and exploration. Those are the other fees on oil, as well as the royalty and the oil and gas tax. The Chairperson: Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schuler: Thank the minister for that information. Also, the govern ment announced that they were going to open up a trade office in Washington. Can the minister tell us how is that going? * (15:40) Mr.

Moses: Thank the member–I thank the member for the question on the US Washington trade office that we've announced that we're going to be opening. You know, I think it's very im portant to signal how important that is, right? This is our largest trading partner, the United States of America. We export billions of dollars, and over 70 per cent of what we export goes to the United States of America . So having a strong trade relationship is essential to our ability to export goods. That's some thing that drives our economy.

And it was really, in my opinion, very short-sighted for the former failed government to close down repre- sentation there in Washington. And we're very happy to not only be doing it but doing it alongside calls from the business community, who have been advocating, saying that they need to have Manitoba represented on the inter national stage, and parti cularly with the largest trading partner for Manitoba businesses. So it's very impor tant for us to have that. We've taken strong steps to have that open. We're going to be having some news to share about that soon.

But I also want to say that in the meantime, we've done–taken some very significant steps when it comes to our relationship and navigating–relationship with business and with the United States –as we navigate the landscape of tariffs coming from the White House. And so we know that we've already begun and had several meetings with our US Trade Council.

That's the group of business leaders and sector leaders who are coming together so that we can share the up-to-date and live infor mation with them, and also they can provide their feedback with us to ensure that their business needs and their business impacts of the Donald Trump tariffs, as well as the tariffs from China, that we have an awareness of how they're very specifically impacting our busi ness com munity and that we can have the ability to work with them to navigate them.

Our de partment has done signi ficant amount of work to understand those concerns, listen to them and react and respond, in many ways a very proactive response to those tariffs. We know that steel, for example, has been a very impacted industry, and we've been very active on that file, as well as manufacturing and secondary manufacturing has been very impacted. We also know in agri culture, canola producers have been very much impacted by the tariffs from China, and so us–myself, and working in collaboration with the Minister of Agriculture (Mr.

Kostyshyn)–are working very hard to address and make sure we have the resources to move our economy forward. We're also opened up a trade hotline to make sure that Manitobans can email or call us and make sure that they can get the updated infor mation and share with us what they're seeing and hearing when it comes to trade with the United States. So that tarif f hotline, which we opened up in February, I believe, was –has already received over 300 emails, and over 100 calls. It's a lot of significant work.

A lot of Manitoban busi- nesses that we're able to work directly with, help them navigate the changing landscape that is the Donald Trump tariffs. And so that's just a snippet of some of the work that we've done.

It doesn't include working on Buy Canadian Act and new procurement policies and rules or direct visits and con versations and meetings with trading partners in the United States of America, that all go towards making sure that we –that Manitobans know they have a government that is not only respon- sive to the ever -changing landscape of US, White House, Donald Trump tariffs, but also that they have a government that they can trust in and know it's going to put their needs as economic force as the centre of our trading relationship and our–on our policy when it comes to growing our economy.

The Chairperson: Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schuler: So with the trade office in Washington DC, can the minister tell us what is the budgeted amount for this fiscal year, and where do we find it in the budget? The Chairperson: Thank you, Member. Mr. Moses: So, as I mentioned in my previous response, we're going to have some news to share

2130 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 about the Washington trade office soon, so I think that's where the member opposite and Manitobans should make sure they stay tuned for that announce - ment coming soon.

But I want to say that, you know, I –it's so much work that we've done to respond to US tariffs, and I want to share more of what we've done with the member, just so that he's fully aware of some of the really great work that's happening here, in addition to some of that direct advocacy work, which includes a trip down to meet with US governor in North Dakota, and have a direct individual meeting with him and myself and the Premier (Mr. Kinew). * (15:50) It was very interesting to hear Governor Armstrong's opinion and understanding–the strong trading relation- ship between North Dakota and Manitoba.

So we value having–and continuing to have–strong, positive relationships because we know that people on both sides of the borders have –can benefit when we have the ability to trade with each other and move our economies forward. That direct advocacy work is significant. We've also, as member opposite and Manitobans would know, we pulled US alcohol products –US booze off the shelves–as a strong signal that we want to not only have an impact on some of the US suppliers of alcohol, but also that we think Canadian booze is pr etty good.

And that we can encourage Canadians and Manitobans to find avenues to shop locally here and maybe pick up a 1919 instead of one of the US brands if they so choose to. And with that buy local campaign in parti cular, that's a very significant piece of effort, and I've heard from local business communities, where they've–busi- ness leaders where they've seen an uptick in business because of our buy local and buy Ma nitoba and sup- port local and support Manitoba campaigns.

This is something that we launched early on in the trade discussion, and it's really about Manitobans finding the ability to support our own economy here in Manitoba. You know, the website that we launched in February 5 has been promoting local busi nesses, and the platform has done very well; over 32,000 views and has been something where Manitobans have been able to say, hey, this is a great way for me to do my part to navigate the conflict with the US over tariffs and do my part.

And I think that's something that goes not only to have an economic benefit for us as Manitobans and our economy, but also for Manitobans feeling really united, and knowing that we all can do some thing when it comes to growing our economy here, and buying local and supporting Manitoba businesses is one of those very things. So we're very happy and excited with the success of that program. I think our investments to grow trade around the world and diversify is also something very important, and that goes to the question around the importance of having a trade office in Washington, that trade is im - portant.

Trade with our largest partne r is impor tant, but trade with the rest of the world is really important, too. And that's why we want, and why we are super proud about investing $36.4 million over two years in the revitalization of the Port of Churchill. This is going to go to help strengthen our economy, diversify our economy, and at the same time, support northe rn communities and Manitobans from every corner of the province.

These are the sort of initiatives that are sig nifi- cant, that we've taken in response to the tariffs, but also that we've done to make sure that we're–making sure our economy is more fortified, more robust for the future. And providing businesses and our industries here in Manitoba with the tools they need to succeed, and ride the wave of the tariffs, but also come out even stronger on the other side. The Chairperson: Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schuler: So the question really was about the trade office in Washington, DC, and I'm not asking the address or who's going to staff it.

I've gone through the budget, and I wouldn't know it as well as the minister's department, but I don't seem to be able to find that a trade office in Washington, DC , is ever referenced. I'm on page 20; I don't see it mentioned there. Can the minister point to me, in the Sup plement to the Estimates of Expenditure Budget '25-26 for the department, can the minister point to –me to the page where a trade office in Washington, DC , is even mentioned in this particular document? The Chairperson: Thank you, Member. Mr. Moses: I love the questions about the Washington trade office. I think this initiative is fantastic.

It gives us chance to have an advocate for Manitoba, for our busi- ness industry, in Washington–the capital, the 'policetty'– policy-setting place–with our largest trading partner. It's

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2131 a fantastic idea that we should be very excited for as we get that online. And we –as I mentioned earlier to the minister–will have some important news to share about that soon. So I won't scoop myself or scoop our government by giving any more, but I will say that I'm so passion- ate about this. And I'm also thankful for the question on this, and I also feel like it's very curious of the member to ask questions about this, because it's his former government that closed the office down –that closed the former office in Washington.

Manitoba's former representative that we used to have there was closed because of the former government. And I'm thinking about now.

I'm thinking about, you know, how under all of what we've seen happen with the ups and downs to business and industry as it relates to the pandemic and the ups and downs that businesses have been facing as a result of Donald Trump's tariffs on Canada and whether or not members opposite and the former govern ment–how they feel about that decision to remove Manitoba's trade repre sentative in Washington–again, a trade representative with our largest trading partner –how they feel about that decision now in hindsight.

I wonder whether the member opposite would maybe feel like they should have taken a different course with that or whether they would double down on that, I would say, objectively poor decision. And, I mean, at the same time, we've seen other jurisdictions in Canada who have continued to have a presence in the United States, in Washington. We've seen other jurisdictions across Canada, 'ac' fact, open trade offices in other countries besides t he United States and Canada, around the world, in an effort to grow their economic footprint, their trade oppor - tunities and further diversify their markets.

Now, former gov ernment felt that that not only was not the right approach, but closing down the office with our largest trading partner was the direction they took. And I think it did not serve us well as Manitobans and did not serve our business commu- nity well. So, we're reversing course. We're actually listen- ing to the busi ness com munity by reopening this Washington office. And we're going to have some really good news to share on that soon.

And so I welcome more questions about this Washington office from members opposite, and I think that it's a right move, a move that's supported by businesses here in Manitoba. And it's one I think is going to have real positive gains and make a lot of sense for our busi nesses here and for advocating on behalf of Manitobans. * (16:00) The Chairperson: Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schuler: Well, I think it's time to nominate the minister for a fifth athlete of the year award, and that would be in political dodgeball, because he has yet to answer a question.

In his Estimates book, nowhere does it list a trade office in Washington, DC . There's no money allocated; there's no line item; it's not even mentioned. No mention of it. No money. So the minister's going to make a big announcement and there'll be no money. So, my question then is: Is that office going to be under his de partment or will it fall under a different department? Because currently, within this budget that is presented, there is no money budgeted. There's not even a mention of it, and the minister wants to talk about it.

And he's very good; he's very good at dodgeball; you can tell he was a very good athlete because he's very good at dodging the question. If it's not even mentioned, there's no line item, will it fall under his department? The Chairperson: Thank you, Member. Mr. Moses: So I think the member, you know–let's be very clear with Manitobans. It is very clearly men - tioned in our budget on page 58 of our budget docu- ment, the Budget 2025–Building One Manitoba –our document, page 58, and I can read the text for the member opposite. To be very clear, so Manitobans can also be very clear, that says in the

section titled Trade Office in Washington, DC, a

section of it reads, and I quote: Our govern ment has made trade with the US, Manitoba's largest trading partner, a priority from day one. While the previous government cut the Washington, DC, trade representative, Manitoba will stand up an office in Washington, DC , this year with a focus on building relationships with lawmakers and businesses who understand the mutual benefits of a strong trading relationship with Manitoba and Canada. The position will be based in Washington, DC, but will also work with Manitoba companies and industries to strengthen ties in states with a strong Manitoba presence, like Illinois, Georgia and Minnesota.

2132 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 Very clearly there, end quote. So very clearly there it says in our documents describing the Washington trade office, we're going to have really good news about that soon. But what I think member opposite, and I'm so excited again to talk about this, is that this is a great initiative, an initiative where we listened to the busi- ness community, saw and recognized very early on. Quite frankly, before the election happened in 2023, we were able to get former premier, former ambassador Doer as our trade adviser.

Using his list of knowledge and exper ience to advise us, to navigate the trade landscape with our 'largeng' trade partner, I think has been an invaluable asset to our government. As well, you know, I think it's very obvious and clear to Manitobans, the failed approach of the former government to close down our trade representative in Washington. And I think the member opposite should really reflect on whether or not that's som ething that he thinks was a good decision for Manitoba and for Manitoba businesses. When I talk to busi nesses, they say we should have had a presence in Washington.

They say that we should continue to be advocating about the amazing strength we have here in Manitoba. Busi nesses I talk to say that, yes, we should let the rest of North America and the world know about the fantastic trade corridors we have here in Manitoba, where you can reach east, west and south with there being a set line, all the way up north to the Port of Churchill, the only deep-sea Arctic port in all of North America.

More business communities here in Manitoba say that we ought to be telling Manitobans about the in- credible opportunities we have here, telling Canadians and Americans about the opportunities that businesses could have with our low-cost and affordable and clean electric hydro grid that can power industries afford- ably with clean energy.

Businesses tell me that we should be telling Americans in Washington about the fact that we have some of the largest manufacturers–specialty manu - facturing here, third largest aerospace sector, in cred- ible opportunities in critical minerals where we work in part nership with First Nations with the highest environmental standards. And on top of that, we can get projects done with a stream lined regula tory and permitting approach. That's evidenced by the new gold mine we opened up in Lynn Lake, Manitoba. Was at a ground- breaking there not too long ago. These are in credible stories that we have to tell.

And how do we do that? We do that by having a repre- sentative who can represent us and tell these stories. And where better else to tell that story but with our largest trading partner, with the United States, and having that person working for us on our behalf in Washington is going to be essential to growing our economy here in Manitoba well into the future. The Chairperson: Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schuler: So, today we are in Estimates for Manitoba Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation, and we are dealing with the Supple ment to the Estimates of Expenditure, which I referenced.

And I asked the minister: Where in this document does it list the trade of fice in Washington, DC? He said it's on page 58. Conveniently, there's only 52 pages in this Estimates. So I–again, I'd like to point out–[interjection] I think– and this is a–if the Minister of Justice (Mr. Wiebe) would like to ask some questions, I'm prepared to cede the floor and he can do so. But the document that we are dealing with right now, our Supplement to the Estimates of Expenditure– and I went through it, which I know he's got in front of him. There's only 52 pages.

So I like the fact that he mentions there's 58 pages and there's not. Again, will the trade office in Washington –the expenditures come out of his departmental budget? The Chairperson: Thank you, Member. Mr. Moses: This is a great op portunity to talk about the terrific things that we're doing in growing our economy and how we want to tell the story around the world and what's–particularly with our largest trading partner. You know, you think about anything that you want to get done; you've got to work with other people, right?

We as a province have got to work with other pro- vinces and –we've got to work with municipalities . We've got to work with the federal government. * (16:10) I know member opposite understands this con- cept, or at least I assume he does. And us, as a pro- vince, have also got to work with our trading partners around the world. And there's that saying that goes – that's very im portant for us to keep in mind: You've got to relate before you negotiate. And us building strong relationships with the US is only going to help us navigate challenges that might

May 15, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2133 come up in the future and also put a good foot forward for us, make sure that sometimes those policy-makers can have Manitoba on our mind, can have our incred- ible pork industry on the mind–largest pork producer in the country, have that on their mind. And under- standing how many times, you know, before we buy that bacon on the shelves, how many times it crosses the US-Canada border, right? And if we can under - stand that, we can really make sure that we have an advocate telling that story and the impact th at tariffs would have on that industry.

And so we're happy to open up the trade office in Washington. I think I've explained that very well. I think I explained that in my last answer that on page 58 of our actual budget is where we talk about our trade office. And I've been very clear. So I think it's a little bit dis ingenuous for the member to talk about page 52 and page 58 of different documents. I think it's very clear it's on page 58 of our actual budget, Building One Manitoba, Budget 2025, where I was reading from and quoting that document.

But it still doesn't explain why members opposite thought it was a good idea to close down the office in Washington. It still doesn't explain why that trade representative stopped repre senting Manitoba under the former government. And I think it's very important for us to dig into that because that, you know, really is why we are now having to set up a new office here, which we're very happy to do, but it's a lot of work.

And it really set Manitoba back; it set us back when it comes to growing our economy; it set us back when it comes to advocating for the potential of Manitoba and the great things that are happening here; it set us back in terms of building relationships with the United States, with those folks in Washington, and it's impor- tant that we re -establish that, and that's exactly what we're going to do today.

And so if the member opposite, in his next ques - tion, wants to continue to ask about the US trade office we're going to open up in Washington–it's going to be terrific and we'll have some good news to share on that soon–I'm very happy to continue talking about it.

But as he thinks about how he frames out his next ques - tion, perhaps he should also let Manitobans know what his thinking is about why they closed down and ended the trade representative there in Washington in the first place and how he reflect s on that decision years later, whether he thinks it's a good decision he would stand by or whether he would say that he regrets that decision and wished they had taken a dif- ferent course. The Chairperson: Thank you, Minister. Mr.

Schuler: So we are in a Estimates process where ministers and departments are asked about the finances and how they fund things and how they account for the finances. That's what Estimates is about. So we're asking the minister, where in his budget, departmental budget, is the financing, the funding, for a trade office in Washington, DC? If it's not in his department, we understand it's in a different de part- ment, and he needn't even have to say which other department. If it's in his department, where in his budget does the funding come out of to fund the trade office in Washington, DC?

The Chairperson: Thank you, Member. Mr. Moses: Well, I thank the member opposite for that question because, again, it's another oppor tunity for me to talk about the great things that we're doing with–it comes to growing trade here in Manitoba. But I do want to just start by saying I'm a little disappointed the member opposite didn't take the opportunity he just had to explain to Manitobans why they closed down the office, why they ended the trade relationship–representative in Washington, w hy they didn't want to have good relationship with our largest trading partner.

Sometimes it a little boggles the mind in some respects. And thinking back on the–you know, it was almost hard to quantify all the missed op portunities that we could have had if we had a representative advocating for Manitobans, putting our good foot forward as we enter into conversation with our largest trading partner. And just to highlight a few things that was missed without a trade repre sentative in Washington. The negotiation of our current trade agreement, CUSMA. We had NAFTA; now we have CUSMA.

And we – while that was being negotiated, we had no trade representative in Washington making sure that we had the voice of Manitoba at the table negotiating that trade deal. It's such a missed opportunity, a complete missed opportunity that we could have had the voice of Manitoba there advocating for our best interests as we–as Canada and the US negotiated that trade deal. And so, you know, we're going to rectify that error by opening up the new trade office. So we're excited to share some news on that very soon. But the member opposite's wondering about specific funding that we're putting forward.

So let me tell the member some very specific funding.

2134 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 15, 2025 Like I said, we've put $36.4 million over two years into revitalizing the Port of Churchill. That's a very specific amount of funding that's goin

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