PROVINCE OF NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY Volume 1 Number71 4th_ Session 34th. General Assembly VERBATIM REPORT TUESDAY, MAY 19, 1970 SPEAKER: THE HONOURABLE GEOf~E W. CLARKE

May 19, 1970, Tape 909, Page 1 -- . apb A. f1\ The.House met at 11:00 p.A. MR. SPEAKER in the Chair: MR. SMALLWOOD: Mr. Speaker, the resignation of Mr. Gerry Ottenheimer as I melllber of this House for the district of St. John's · E1st left his party without a leader in the Province. This lack has now bee.n remedied by t he election of Mr. Frank Moores to be leader of that party for t his Provi nce . The Government feel that the Opposition party would wis h s t rongly to have I its leader occupy a seat in this House. As the district of St.

John's East I bas been open for over six months a proclamation is i~sued today providing for the holding of a bye-election in St. John's East to be held on Thursday the 11th. of June. When Mr. Stanfield was elected National Leader of the same part y the Prime Minister of Canada Mr. Trudeau announced that the Liberal Par t y would not contest the bye-election in Nova Scotia in wh.ich Mr. Stanfie l d was his parties candidate. I I wish to make the same anno~cement today in connection with the bye-election in St. John's East. The Liberal Party will not contest the bye-election, and so far as we are concerned Mr.

Moores will I receive the same courtesy in this Province that Mr. Stanfield received in I Nova Scotia. I MR. HICKMAN: In the absence of the bon. Leader of t~e Opposition would the I bon. the Premier indicate to the House if a bye-election will be called in Ferryland district as well. KR'~ ROWE (W ,N): Mr, Speaker, in view of the fact th~t there seems to be a lack of understanding and even some misunderstanding ~bout the water and sever projects that are going ahead this year under the DREE program, I think it necessary for me to outline the program as it actually is for the present year.

In the first place Sir, I cannot emphasise enough the simple fact that the DREE program itself, the main DREE program itself, is not yet ready, not yet signed, and not yet ready to go into operation. ~1 of this will happen later in th~ present year. and all that we have up to this moment is a temporary DREE program for merely . part of the Province. 43GO

Hay 19, 1970, Tape 909, Page 2-- apb In the second place Mr. Speaker, the water and sewer program even for the part of the Province covered by the temporary DREE program is anything but complete. It is our hope and our expectation that there will be other water and sewer projects in the present DREE section. The actual number of projects that are firm and final for the present season are eight in number. These eight are as follows; first at Port au Choix on the north west coast.a water system.

At Hawks Bay,also on the north west coastJthere is a water and sewer system, At Holyrood there is a water and sewer system. At Bishop's Falls there is a water ~ystem. On the south shore of Conception Bay there is a first . step in a water and sewer system, and about this Mr. Speaker, I shall say more in a moment or two. At St. Lawrence there is a water system. At Arnold's Cove there is a water system, and at Corner Brook. there is an extension to the water and sewer system.

All of these projects go ahead this year and we have every hope that we can get nearly all of them completed and put into use well before the end of next year. I muat say Mr. Speaker, a special word about the Dree plan for the south shore of Conception Bay. This is a large area stretching from the western boundaries of St. John's to the eastern boundary of Holyrood. It stretches for a d~stance of some twenty or so miles, and has a good many thousand families living in it.

The intention of the DREE plan is that an intensive study be made of that whole shore with a view to discovering what public services or infrastructure to use the word more popular in Ottawa will be necessary in that area in the coaing years, including prominently a water and sewer system. It was specifically agreed in the DREE agreement this year, that the study, surveying and design of infrastructure or public service needs, including water and sewer facilities in the communities on the south shore of Conception Bay is a aatter of high priority. In saying this I am virtually quoting the actual DREE agreement.

Mr. Speaker, I wish to lay great stress upon the fact that these eight projects in the present temporary DREE program are anything but complete and final. It must be obvious to everyone that there are within the present temporary DREE areas a number of other,water and sewer projects that are b•dly 43D1

May 19. 1970, Tape 909, Page 3-- apb needed, I have been making representations to DREE on behalf of the Government of this Province for inclusion of such needed projects in the main DREE agreement to announced later this year. Some of these necessary water and sewer projects are as follows, and first I would like to mention the St. J~hn's special area. Water and sewer systems in Bay Roberts, Brigus, Kilbride, Spaniard's Bay and in Upper Island Cove. Also there is need of an extension to water and sewer systems in Carbonear 1 Harbour Grace and the St. John's metropolitian area. As I mentioned this is the St.

John's sepcial area. In the Come by Chance special area 1 there is needed water _, and sewer systems in Come by Chance and Southern Harbour. In the Burin Peninsula special area extensions to water and sewer systems are needed for example, in Grand Bank and Marys town. In __ tbe central Newfom1dland special area 1 there is need of an extension to the water and sewer system iD Botwood. and a pumping station reservoir and water supply line in Gander for example.

In the Corner Brook special area there is needed a water system at Steady Brook, a water and sewer system for the Pasadena :" Midland area and an extension to the water and sewer system of Corner Brook to supply existing and new properties. In the Stephenville special area, a water and sewer system is needed at St. George's, and an extension is needed to the water and sewer sytem at Stephenville Crossing. In the Happy Valley special area, there is needed a water and sewer sytem at Northwest River. This list of special needs in the eight special areas announced so far by Ottawa, is by no means an exhaustive one.

I have given it in order to indicate the volume of some of the r~quests and needs for municipal water and sewer systems merely within the present special areas designated by DREE. As mentioned. this Government is working towards having these and other projects included in the main agreement. In addition to the eight special areas that have already been 4 ' 3~2

Kay 19, 1970, Tape 909, Page 4 -- apb established by DREE, this Government has negotiated with that Federal department in an effort to have other portions ·of the Province become special areas in the future. As a result of these negotiations, DREE has already indicated a willingness to add at least three more special area to the list including the area from Port aux Basques to Rose Blanche, portions of the Baie Verte Peninsula, and portions of the Bonavista Peninsula. Moreover Mr.

Speaker, during the course of this summer, we shall be presenting strong cases for the inclusion of further areas of the Province as special areas. As communities are brought into special areas, then of course DREE will be assistt.gthem and bearing the cost of water and sewer services. If some of these additional areas should not be designated as special areas by DREE, the cost of such services will fall upon the_·Government of the Province. In either case Mr.

Speaker, these services are so badly needed that, as will be seen by a statement to be made by my colleague the Minister of Municipal Affairs tomorrow, the Government has adopted the policy of insuring that these services are provided. I have given this statement Mr. Speaker, in the hope of clarifying further the nature of DREE assistance contained in the first year's agreement, insofar as water and sewer projects are concerned, and to indicate what we in the Provincial Government are attempt~ng to get the Federal Government to include in the main DREE agreement presently being negotiated.

I have copies of this statement Mr. Speaker, for members of the House and for the press. PRESENTING PETITIONS: PRESENTING REPORTS OF STANDING AND SELECT COHMITrEES: NOTICE OF MOTION: MR. SMALLWOOD (J.R.): Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow beg leave to introduce a Bill, "

An Act To Incorporate The Moravian Church In Newfoundland And Labrador." MR. ROWE (F.W.): Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a Bill, entitled a Bill, "

An Act Further To Amend The Technical And Vocational Training Act, 1963." 4393

May 19, 1970, Tape 909, Page 5 -- apb I give notice that I will on tommorrow ask leave to introduce a Bill, entitled a Bill, 11

An Act To Validate And Provide For The Enforcement Of A Certain Agreement Between The Heads Of Certain Religious Denominations Respecting The Apportionment And Payment Of Certain Monies Allocated By The Province For Certain Educational Purposes In Respect To The Fiscal Year 1962-63, And To Bold Her Majesty Bound By Such Agreement." BON. G.A.FRECKER (Minister of Provincial Affairs): Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a Bill, entitled a Bill, "

An Act To Amend The Automobile Insurance Act, 1968. 11 I also give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a Bill, entitled a Bill, 11

An Act Further To Amend The Direct Sellers Act, 1966. 11 BON. E.DAWE (Minister of Municipal Affairs): Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a Bill, entitled 11

An Act To Amend The City Of St. John's Loan Act, 1969. 11 ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS: MR. SMALLWOOD (J.R.): Mr. Speaker, question 108 in the name of the bon. the member for St. Barbe South, on the Order Paper of February 27th. It is a long answer, I think too long to give orally so I table it. BON. B.STARKES (Minister of Highways): Mr. Speaker, I have the answer to question 351, the answer to part one, have any or all road building contracts which were being carried out under the Atlantic Development Board grant, or any other special grants from Ottawa which were not completed by March 1970 been cancelled?

The answer is no. Question no two does not arise. Question be number three, would all of these contracts 1completed under the first year of the DREE program, if not which one will be completed? The following contracts will be completed under the DREE program, Grand Bank towards Frenchman's Cove 12.18 miles. And now Mr.

Spe"aker, in connection with the other two some people who have become mentally disturbed because of a previous announcement regarding the upgrading of a road at Hughes Brook, and I was accused of announcing that a river would be paved, I want it clearly understood that this is not the paving of the river. From Piper's Hole River. Sandy" Harbour River mile 18 to mile 23, ~iper's Hole River to Sandy _Harbour River miles 23 to mile 27. Pipers 4304

May 19, 1970, Tape 909, Page 6 -- apb Hole River to Sandy Barbour River miles 27 to mile 321 2.7 miles north of Clam Brook. Number six, reconstruction and paving Lethbridge towards Southern Bay 4.87 miles. ORDERS OF THE DAY: BON. E.WINSOR (Minister of Fisheries): Mr. Speaker, question 486, appearing on the Order Paper of April 27th., 'and asked by the bon. the member for Humber East. As the answers are fairly lengthy Mr. Speaker, I will table them at this time. ORDERS OF THE DAY: A Bill, "

An Act Further To Amend The Highway Traffic Act, 1962." On motion Bill read a third time, ordered passed and title be as on the Order Paper. On motion, a Bill, "

An Act To Provide For The Appointment of a Parliamentary Commissioner To Investigate Administrative Decisions And Acts Of OffiCials Of The Government Of The Province And Its Agencies And To Define The Parliamentary Commissioner's Powers, Duties And Functions." (No.8)., read a third time, ordered passed and title to be as on the Order Paper. On motion, a Bill, "

An Act Further To Amend The Alcoholic Liquors Act." read a third time, ordered passed and title be as on the Order Paper. On motion, a Bill, "

An Act Further To Amend The Local Government Act, 1966." read a third time, ordered passed and title be as on the Order Paper. On motion, a Bill, "

An Act To Consolidate And Amend The Law Relating To The Raising Of Local Taxes For Schools." read a third time, ordered passed and title be as on the Order Paper. On motion, a Bill, "

An Act Further To Amend The Trustee Act." read a third time, ordered passed and title be as on the Order Paper. On motion 0 a Bill, "

An Act Further To Amend The Crown Lands (Mines and Quarries) Act, 1961." read a third time, ordered passed and title be as on the Order Paper. On motion, "

An Act To Amend The Youth Administration Act, 1968." read a third time, ordered passed and title be as on the Prder Paper. 4395

JW May 18, 1970 Tape (1910 Page 1 On motion, a Bill, "An Act Further To Amend The Newfoundland Teachers' Association Act, 1957," read a third time, ordered l)assed and title be as on the Order Paper. On motion, a Bill, "An Act Further To Amend The Community Councils Act ,1962," read a third time, ordered passed and title be as on the Order Paper. HR. COLLINS : Mr.

Speaker, when I adjourned the debate last evening or yesterday ·afternoon, I was making a few remarks about tourism in the Province, and it might be worthwhile to make reference to the most recent report of the Tourist Development Division, wherein we find that in 1969 the total revenue accruing to the Province as a result of that particular business, tourist business, amounts to $62,151,000 which is nine point two percent I suppose it is. Nine point two increase over 1968. This Hr.

Speaker, certainly bears out what we have been saying over the years that there is room for much growth in the tourist business in Newfoundland. And we are of the opinion that certainly operators in this particular endeavour · deserve all of the assistance both financial and otherwise, which this Government can afford to give them. I am not convinced that the Government have done enough for the tourist industry.

Neither am 1 convinced $ir, that our own people and their own initiative have done enough, because I believe that ' we have to give it a lot of initiative, a lot of native ingenuity if you want to because our particular item which we have to sell is possibly a little different, greatly different possibly from P.E.I. or Nova Scotia, or some of the American states might have to sell.

And while we can always learn from some of the things those people have done, I think that the onus is. on us to come up with some original ideas, and certainly as I said people who do get involved in a tourist business deserve the full support both financial and other- wise of this Government. Sir, I do not know how much time 1 have left. I suspect it is possibly in the order of another hour. I want to draw reference this morning to something which possibly I have been accused of introducing something into this House which is of no direct importance, or not of 4306

May 18, 1970 Tape #910 Page 2 direct responsibility of this House, however Sir, since Newfoundlanders are involved I feel that I have a ri~ht to discuss it here and make recommendations. What I want to mention Mr. Speaker, is not to dwell on the recent tragedy in the Cabot Strait, whereby one of our trawlers went down and one of the C.N.R.

Coastal boats while engaged in rescue mission also went down with considerable loss of life) I believe Sir, that the time has come for the Federal Government, for after all the Federal eovernment have responsibility in this particular area, I believe the time has come for the Federal Government to take a good hard look at our rescue facilities.

And I would hope that since we have many men engaged in the Fishery and the coastal trade, many men employed in draggers and long liners, (some of the boats possibly not as seaworthy as we would like them to be, but nevertheless, I presume they have passed the required inspections of the Department of Transport and are at sea} &ut I would suggest Sir, t~at since we do have a lot of our. people going "down to the sea in ships~ as it were still~hat this Government impressed upon the Federal Government the importance of providing an adequate air-sea rescue service.

As all bon. members in this House know, the headquarters for the air- sea rescue now is in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and is run by I would imagine a pretty competent group of people. It is my opinion 1 Sir, that when we have so many people who are exposed to the hazards of the sea, and since we are a province jutting out into the Atlantic, an extension of the Canadian Mainland, certainly the place for an air search rescue center should be in Newfoundland.

I would go further Sir, and say that in the present setup in Halifax, while they have a pretty vast, and a pretty effective communication system, being able to receive S.O.S.'s from the various ships and aircraft and so on and so forth 9 while they have a pretty effective system in establishins~ when a disaster does occur, I am afraid that the resources insofar as being able to quickly go into action and take effective measures in terms of 43n7

May 18, 1970 Tape #910 Page 3 saving lives and so on and so forth, I am afraid that there is a lot left to be desired. For instance, very ofte~ 'we find that the rescue head- quarters have to depend on Eastern Provincial Airways or possibly Gander Aviation, or a Navy plane which might be down on the Caribbean on exercises. Failing that, they have to depend on a ferry which we saw a little while ago, theNPatrick Morris: a ship which certainly is not designed for rescue operations. I would not say it should not be sent, ~ut there should not be any need for that type of ship to be sent on a rescue operation.

And I would say Sir, that in this day and age when we see the marvellous equipment which can be employed on rescue missions from space ships and so on and so forth, all the equipment both in the air and on the sea, when we see so much of this equipment, and know of the great facilities which our American counterparts have in the United States, whereby they have all-weather boats and all-weather aircraft to go into action, and when they are called to go into action generally do a good job.

And when we make a comparison there we must accept the fact that our equipment is rather outdated and certainly there is a need for great improvement there, and I would hope that our Provincial Government would bring all of its resources and influences to bear on the Federal Government so that those people who do have ultimate responsibility will properly locate and properly equip :search and rescue centers so that they can do the job that is required. Sir, I would like to make a few remarks concerning my own district, and I will start first of all with the town of Gander.

I meant to make some reference to my district in the Throne Speech, but I elected to wait until the Budget Address, so,as all bon. members possibly know,the town of Gander is tied very closely, when I say the town of Gander, the economy of the town of Gander is tied very closely to the aircraft industry, to the aviation industry. While we do have many people employed in auxiliary operations and other types of service industry in the main ~e they owe the economy of the town and reasons for its existence, is the fact that we do have an international airport, and at one time, a very 4308

May 18, 1970 Tape #910 busy airport with many trans-Atlantic flights coming in, in addition to the domestic flights such as Air Canada and Eastern Provincial Airways. And Sir, during the past several years there has been a substantial decline in the number of landings by t~ans-Atlantic carriers, and as a consequence of this of course, we find that there have been lay-offs, naturally the planes are not coming in - the services which were provided there, are not needed and the services are not needed and cannot be sold, well then it follows that some people must be laid off or transferred.

Much work has been done Sir, by various groups in the Airport town to try and recover some of this lost business. I am not sure what luck they have had yet, but we still have some hope that they will be successful. But Sir, in addition to the losses sustained ~y the lack of activity in terms of trans-Atlantic flights~ recently 1 this past year, we find that Air Canada have decided to drop one of their flights through Gander which fortunately did not result in too many people being laid2ftut there will be some lay-offs and some transfers as a result of it.

However, some of the seriousness of that particular move,·that impact has been absorbed by Eastern Provincial Airways, which are up and coming and a growtng concern. For Provincial Airways in that vein have gained a ,arallel route with Air Canada into the Mainland and Montreal. As I said some of the impact hopefully, or the impact of the layoff there, will not be as bad on the people as we thought it might be·. But then Sir, with all of those setbacks - the setbacks in international flying - the setbacks by Air Canada reducing one of its flights. And now the rumour that Air Canada, not a rumour Mr.

Speaker, it is a fact now that Air Canada have made application to the Air Transport Board to resche4ule their international flight through St. John's rather than through Gander, and of course this could very well have another serious side effect on some employees out there. But in addition to all of this we find that Eastern Provincial Airways by virtue of the fact that requirements - flying for bush operations in 4399

JW Hay 18, 1970 Tap~ #910 Page 5 Newfoundland have gradually lessened, gradually decreased because of improvements in transportation, road connections and so on and so forth. Secause of this and because of the greater need in Labrador and Churchill Falls and so on and so forth, we find that Eastern Provincial Airways have been more or less obliged to relocate the bush operation as it were, small aircraft operations from Gander to Goose Bay, because actually that is where the work is, and that is where the action is, and with those small aircraft you have to be as close to the job as possible.

And we find that E.P.A. have just about closed out their bush operation at Gander, and will be moving entirely into Labrador. Now Sir, so much for all of this. All this has come about I suppose in the name of progress, and there is not much we can do in terms of trying to fight progress, in fact you cannot fight it, we know that • . But Sir, perhaps the most unkind action of all, was the action taken by this Provincial Government as announced by the bon. Minister of Supply and Services some time ago, when he made an announcement outside this bon.

House, indicating that the Government, the Provincial Government were about to set up maintenance facilities for the maintenance and operation of their own aircraft which numbers, thirteen, or fourteen or fifteen or something in that order, set up maintenance facilities at Torbay. This work as we know Sir, was formerly done at Gander, done by Provincial Eastern Airways on a contractural basis. Now Sir, as far as we are concerned in Gander, as I said the main reason for the existence of that particular town was because of the airline industry.

Goodness knows we have had setbacks and difficulties enough this past eight or ten years in trying to maintain a status quo as it were. We have been fighting probably a losing cause with major trans-Atlantic carriers, major domestic carriers. Many cases~changes which have been made by those people have been changes made in the interest of progress. But as far as we are concerned in Gander Sir, there is no justifiable reason why this Government decided to take away the maintenance and operation of 4400

Hay 18, 1970 Tap• 1910 Page 6 their aircraft at Gander and relocate it to Torbay, because Mr. Speaker, the facilities were there, the men were there, training facilities were there, because the Gander Vocational Training School have set up an aviation mechanics course - it has been in operation now for two or three years. They have done a masterful job. They have been recognized by the Department of Transport as doing a good job and licences were issued and so on and so forth. So the qualified men were there to do the job - if requirements meant that other people were needed, the training facilities were there.

The facilities were there in terms of hangers and so forth. And certainly from the point of view of operation, Mr. Speaker, for water bombers, the logical place was to be located in Central Newfoundland, because Sir, I do not see the idea of a water bomber being located in the area of St. Jbhn's.

I am doubtful - when you look around the Avalon Peninsula and the area surrounding it, as I heard one gentleman aay1uif }. there is wood enough to make~yoke for a goat~ so I certainly cannot see why the Government should be so interested in having their water bombers located in an area where there is very little requirement,

whereas in the Gander area, Central Newfoundland, we do have much viable timber, and in addition to that, Gander being centrally located, bombers could be dispersed throughout the Island at a minute's notice, and wherever they might have gone, east, west, north or south, they did not have too far to go. Sir, many people in Gander have taken exception to this. We realize now that the move has been made, representation has been made from the Gander Chamber of Commerce, and I presume representation will follow from the town Council and other groups.

And while we carmot: forgive Government for taking that action which they took~ we do hope that they will see the error which they have made, and that they will not lose sight of the fact that any future development in terms of aircraft maintenance and operation muat be in the Central Newfoundland area )nnce Gander is equipped for this particular type of operation, then that is the logical place for that 4401

May 18, 1970 Tape 0910 Page 7 to be done. Now Sir, much has been said and much has been written about the prospects for future development of the trans-Atlantic feature at Gander in an effort to try and regain our position in terms of trans-Atlantic flying. ~e know.on the basis of studies which have been made, and I would presume that the Provincial Government are aware of some of the studies which are being made 7 we do know that in the main, the competition to Gander and Goose comes from American airports in Bangor and Niagra Falls.

Sir, it might be worth mentioning that Bangor and Niagra Falls were former SACK bases, Strategic Air Command, operated by the United States Air Force. Those bases were closed down. There was no further need so far as SACK were concerned, and the bases were turned over to Civilian and Commercial bodies for operation. We know that much work has been done in those particular bases. We know that the Governors of those States and other 4402

May 19th •• 1970 Tape no 911 Page 1 MR. COLLINS: Governors of those States and other people in authority. that is the Governor of Maine and the Governor of New York and other bodies and people of import in those States. have gone out and done a real good selling job in attracting Trans-Atlantic flights. They have made facilities at the airports. They have improved What was already there, if that was need,dand in a great many cases, it was not needed.

But where the need for improvement did arise, they took quick and immediate action, and we find today that the main competition in terms of Trans-Atlantic flights, which would at one time 1would come into Gander and Goose. the main competition now comes from Bangor and Ni4gra Falls and, of course, this is the business which we have to get back, ff we are ever going to restore Gander to its. previous international status. Now, Sir, as I have said, much work has been done. The Minister of Transport has already announced that the fee structure,at Gander, tha1 is the landing fee structure 1is to be changed.

It is being reduced from $1.51 per thousand pounds to $.50 per thousand pounds and no doubt this will mean something. It is possibly a good, first step but much remains to be 'done. There is a tremendous selling job to be done, a bigger selling job now than ever before. Because once .. you have lost something, it is always more difficult to get it back. There is a tremendous selling job to be done. There is a need now for improved facilities, because we have to compete with those airports, which I have mentioned, which do have top-notch facilities.

One of the first things which must be done is that the runways at Gander must be lengthened. There is not much poirit . in reducing the fees and making other ground facilities more attractive so on and so forth, if we do not have the runways, whereby the aircraft can come i~, and at the present time, the runways in Gander are so short that some of the larger aircraft, when they are flying at load · capacity on warm days such as, we will have in Newfoundland from now to October or November, and that is the peak tourist travel season. 4403

May 19th., 1970 Tape no 91L Page 2 Mr. Collins; Mr. Speaker, the larger ones can come in under ideal conditions, provided that they are not fully loaded and provided the temperature is not too high, but under fully loaded conditions and te~peratures in the order of seventy and seventy-five degrees, well they might be able to do it. There is very little safety factor. All pilots in those aircrafts would like to have lots of space left in the event, that they might have to abort. What I mean by "abort" in case they might have to cancel the takeoff.

This is where the problem occurs in the takeoff of the aircraft, and they like to have lots of room left, in the event that some mechanical fault might occur or anything else whereby the takeoff would have to be aborted and Gander runways are not long enough for that. As I say, Sir, that one of the first things we must have done is to have the runways lengthened. There are many other requirements, Mr. Speaker, and I would hope that the Premier,and he always goes out of his way to say how mach be likes Gander, how much he loves Gander, etc. He spends a lot of time in Gander.

This is where the idea of Confederation was born and all the work he has done there and plans to do.

I would certainly hope, Sir, that the Premier is truthful, when he says this and that he does recognize the problems which we· have and that he does have a sympathetic ear to people who come in here to visit with him and that he will do , all in his power and make sure and use all of the resources of the Government, of the Provincial Government in bringing to bear on the Federal Government all the paver we can to impress upon · them the importance of the airport at Gander, the importance of the town, which has been designated as a "growth centre." And the importanc~ of the town and its relationship to the future development of central and eastern Newfoundland and that everything, within his power, will be done to have the much neede.cl improvements brought about so that once again, Gander can play its

part in the

May 19th., 1970 Page 3 Mr. Collins: international aviation field. Sir, there is a lot of information in this report, which I am reluctant to read even in this bon. House, because once I mention it in the House, it becomes public knowledge. Much of it might bp b! use to our competitors, but I am sure the Provincial Government must have a copy. If they do not, I will certainly supply them with one, and as I have said, Sir, hopefully, we are on the right track and we will be back in business in Gander sooner than one might think.

Sir, there is one other topic which I wanted to mention and that is in Bishop's Falls; I am sure the Minister for ~ines, Agriculture and Resources will remember ·that last summer we both ....._"'attendants at a field day - he is not in the House this morning - we both were in attendance at a field day in central Newfoundland in conjunction with the Wooddale Development - Woodland Farm and ~roduction Development, a grqup of farmers who are operating in the Peters River area. It is a very fine farm locality.

It has been approved by the Provincial and Federal authorities as being ideal for different types of farming, mixed farming. Those people have many problems in that particular area whtf.i::h are beyond their capacity to so~ve immediately and quickly and effectively. They made representation to various Government departments. I have noticed that they have submitted a very good brief concerning hog production and sheep production and beef production and so on and so forth. They have expressed the need, a great need for a slaughter house and for road improvements and so on and so forth.

In fact, they have gone so far as to submit their brief to all the Government departments involved and have written each one individually. The first letter, with a copy of theit brief, was to Mr. Hobbs of the Newfoundland and Labrador Commission, outlining the urgency of an extension of electrical services, because we all know that in this modern 4~05

May 19th. J 1970 Tape no .911; 1 · Page 4 Mr. Collins , age t&at electrical services are necessary in dairy farming and vegetable farming. They have also written to the bon. Minister of Highways outlining the urgent need for upgrading and maintenance of road facilities from the Trans-Canada to the site. They have also written to the bon. Minister of Municipal Affairs, outlining the need for water supply and a water connection from the proposed Northern Arm Brook Water Development and they have also, of course, written the bon.

Minister of Mines, Agriculture and Resources, outlining the need for various - outlining the need for assistance for various projects in the actual farming itself. Mr. Speaker, I would hope that all of thoae bon. members will read what those farmers have to say and that they will be kind in their appraisal of the situation there and that everything possible, to developing what could be a very substantial farming area, everything possible will be done by this Government to assist them. Sir, before I sit down, I would like to make some reference to the proposed distribution centre for Grand Falls.

It has been a topic of much controversy during the past year, I suppose.

We have all been very much encouraged by the Premier's statement a while ago that he had become interested in it personally, and he came up with an idea that possibly the junction of the Bay d'Espoir and Trans-Canada roads was the ideal location; just east of Bishop's Falls, as the ideal location for Island wide transportation distribution centre both rail and road and bearing in mind that · the town of Botwood, the port of Botwood which is one of the better ports or the best port, I suppose, on the east coast of Newfoundland where considerable port facilities do exist and shipping already takes place;in that Price Newfoundland Pulp and Paper and American Smelting and Refining Company's ore isJehipped to that particular port and some raw materials used¥1n the manufacture of the paper, are brought in there, of course, and looking to Botwood as being able to provide 4406

May 19th., 1970 Tape no Bll Pagpe no 5 Mr. Collins. the port facilities, the water facilities. Certainly, I would hope that the whole area there would be or can be developed in terms of transportation and in terms of being of greater assistance to that particular area. Sir, it goes without saying that all of the area of my district, in central Newfoundland in general, but particular Northern Arm and Peterview and Glenwood and Appleton and Gander area itself there is a tremendous amount of wood available both for lumber, for sawmill operations, for export pitprops and certainly for pulp wood.

We are looking forward to the development of the other mill at Come-by-Chance, and we would hope that ·the Government, being aware of the vast resources of that particular area, will have some plans whereby ve will see the developmeat.of integrated sawmills, not only to harvest some of the best wood in the country, but also to take care of some of the most pressing unemployment situations that we can find in Newfoundland. Mr. Speaker, these are some of the important things which I wanted to ,ention. I hope that the people's plea, my plea on their behalf will not fall on deaf ears.

I am afraid that they have fallen on deaf ears before, but I would truly hope and truly suggest that the Government and the ministers responsible would take a good look at this and see what can be done to assist the people who are so willing to do a lot of things themselves, but must, of course, depend on Government to provide financial assistance and other assistance of an expert nature. Thank you, Sir. MR. BURGESS: Mr. Speaker, in speaking in this budget debate, I think there is little enough heard from Labrador, so I will not devote too much time to the actual budget that was read in this bon.

House of Assembly in this session. It appears to be very obvious, Mr. · Speaker, that 4407

May 19th., 1970 Page no 6 Mr. Burgess. based on the attitudes anc !'Ute rnents and policy statements of this Government during the las :· c c. VK:nths, that we are obviously in an election year. We, also, witnessed the affair, televised ,:in this House of Assembly of Mr. Shaheen relative to the Come-by-Chance complex and this also was an eye-opener, as far as I was concerned, as a member from Labrador, looking at the thing from a far-off view point.

Now this televised affair .of the House of Assembly, Mr.Speaker, did more to point out the inadequacies and the fiscal irresponsibilities of this Government than any other single thing that has happened in this House of Assembly, at least, P.ince I have been sitting here since 1966. I would appear that this Government enjoys a very unique relationship with Mr. Shah~en in that Mr. Shaheen signs the cheques and this Government signs the receipts, on behalf of the people of this Province, and that is a very, very unique relationship indeed.

The basic essence of what I got out of this bearing in the House was essentially that if and when th~project is to go ahead, if there are any profits in this venture, Mr. Shaheen will get them and if there are any loses the people of Newfoundland will assume them. That is about as basic as you can get and that is why I say that it is a very, very unique relationship. But, however, Mr.

Shaheen is not the first entrepreneur that has taken advantage of the fiscal inability of this Government, and I think that this is becoming increasingly obvious to the people of this Province and will be certainly shown, I am sure, in the event that an election is carried out this year. Now, we have heard many statements, Mr. Speaker, about the benefits to the people of this Province brought about by this Government· and its Premier, since, essentially, there has only been the one Premier since this Province came into Confederation. Now, this is quite true. Nobody can but deny that under the 4408

May 19th., 1970 Tape no 911 Page 7 Mr. Burgess. leadership of the bon. the Premier that gains were made. But one thing that stands out in my mind, Mr. Speaker, is that after twenty years 0 'after twenty-one years of virtual, one-man rule, this Province, which is a part of the Canadian whole, presently enjoys the highest unemployment rate of any Province in Canada. It has the largest per capita debt, even though we have the smallest population apart from Prince Edward Island. We have the highest cost of living in Canada, and we have the lowest per capita income in Canada.

How, I think that these facts should be equated in the minds of people with the statements of all the advantages that have been brought to this Province by this administration. I think that it is becoming increasingly obvious to the people. Now, Mr. Speaker, when I talk about this Province, and I think of Labrador, the area of Labrador West, which I represent; Labrador, being a vast, largely . unsettled part of Canada, to the west of this Province and in the eastern corner of Canada,and ' ; comprisLng the Province of Newfoundland, and it is very rich in its natural resRD~ces.

Now, this Province has, of necessity, got to depend on the development of Labrador. It has to depend to a vast degree on Labrador West, ~hen it thinks about its_own future, the future of the Province of Newfoundland and La~rador. Labrador, comprising of over 100,000 square miles and for the most part undeveloped, when I go to the west :.and ·. then I leave and go to the south of Labrador or to the north . of Labrador, I encounter tremendous variations of conditions.

In Labrador North, the main stay of Labrador North being the town of Happy Valley, Goose Bay and practically the sole . source of employment in this area, being the USAF Air Force, since the Canadian Air Force pulled out, and this town 4409

May 1' 1970 Tape 912 page 1. has not got that much of a future at least if you talk to the people who live there and who have a great awareness of exactly where they are going. Now we have been told on many occasions Mr. Speaker, on many occasions the peop~e of Labrador North, Goose Bay, Happy Valley, they have been told about the American Base and the likelihood of that American Base being there for all of their life time, and do not worry about them pulling out and leaving you high and dry.

I imagine that at sometime the people at Argentia were told the same thing and the people at Fort Pepperrell were told the same thing also. But these people have been told this and no later than yesterday I listened to the American Counsel on radio in Labrador being interviewed and he stated that he felt sure that there would be no layoffs no further layoffs. That is sin~e the last layoff comprised of approKimately fourteen ~eople at some pl&ne=two or three months ago. He said that it was not anticipated that there would be any more layoffs as far aa he knew. Now technically speaking Mr.

Speaker, that gentleman was correct when he said no layoffs. Technically speaking he was correct. But what about the people who in the last two weeks in the region of thirty or forty who have had involuntary retirement put before them as an actual fact. People who are not yet of age to retire~ people who have yet not got enough years of service With the American Government have been told that ~bey are to retire under certain sets of conditions. Now nobody can e~l this a layoff in the technical sense of the word it is not a layoff. But on the other hand Mr. Speaker, it is a cutback.

And these people will no longer be employed by the American Air force, they will not be receiving an income from the American Air force and in all likelihood they will not even be living in the area, of Goose Bay, because of the fact that they will have to leave because there are no other jobs available. HR.NEARY: Will they get a pension -

May 19 1970 Tape 912 page 2. MR.BURGESS: Yes, it is a reduced pension. I was supposed to get the fizures this morning if Eastern Provincial Airways had been on time, but I did not get them. Now, Mr. Speaker, I would like to relate or read so~~ excerpts, from a meeting held in Goose Bay on January 11, 1969 when there was a tremendous controversy over the decision of somebody not to establish an industry that the people had been told they ~re going to g~t in Goose Bay prior to the~ . last provincial election.

And there was a tremendous amount of controversy I do not think that town has ever seen the like of it or ever will again. The emotional arousement of the people in that they feel that they have been so blatantly fooled and that the Government had not lived up to its promises. And some of the excerpts Mr. Speaker, from this meeting on January 11, when the people were told that half a million cords of wood would be shipped annually to Stephenville, by eight ships of ten thousand tons each. One ship leaving Lake Melville every day, one ship everv dav arriving at Stephenville/ana one ship on standby.

There was three hundred thousand cords to be shipped to Europe annually. The jobs that were to come out of this increased industry as the people were told were to be 1036 loggers. There were going to be eighty people employed in the peeling of the timber, There were going to be employed 362 on lakes, rivers and loading· etc. There were going to be 104 employed in offices, engineering mechanical maintenance etc.

And the people were told (quote)~in Labrador because of the great amount of turnover there would be, 1 say, '·there will be not less than 6000 men cutting that 800,000 cords of wood annuallyi And I use another quote Mr. Speaker. ·~ou are going to have 900 to 1000 jobs here in Lake Melville not counting 6000 to 7000 loggers who will come in not next year, or the year after, or the year after, this year 1969, you are going to see in Happy Valley this number of jobs created.

There will be at least 8000 jobs in Lake Melville." And at that point there was laughter and booing and the Ron. the Premier said~laugh now, he laughs best who laughs last." These men 6000 loggers will come from all over Labrador. But there 4411

May 19 1970 Tape 912 page 3. will not be enough men. You could not get in Labrador 6000 loggers. They are not to be got. But all the men in Labrador who want jobs in the bush ·there will be ·jobs for them. They can work a month or two or three or four or five or six or seven(and I am quoting) or eight or nine or ten months at their own choice. They can come and go at free will.

You will have in Happy Valley eight or nine hundred jobs, not counting loggers, but the other various things, some of them five or six months of the year, and you will have an average of $140 a week salary, some lower than that and some higher.~ 'Those we cannot get from Happy Valley or North West River or Mud Lake will come from other parts of Labrador. Those that can come or will not come from Labrador will come from the Island of Newfoundland:' This was in 1969 Mr. Speaker, in January of 1969. Another quote Mr.

Speake~ "anybody who will be on welfare next year will be either a suk man who cannot work and must come to this Government and ask for help and we never refuse, or a widow with no one to support her, or orphans. The only people who will need welfare in Lake Melville when this great project gets going will be old people, sick people, widows, orphans, and cripples. There will be work for every man who wants to. Not only the man from Lake Melville but all over Labrador." Mr. Speaker, I would like to deal with that point for a moment. And I can unde.rstand why the statement was made.

Those who cannot get jobs from Happy Valley or North West River, or Mud Lake will come from other parts of Labrador. Those who cannot come or will not come from Labudor will come from the Island of Newfoundland~ Now that to me indicates a recognition of a problem that the people of Labrador are_faced with and a very very aerious problem Mr. Speaker. A very serious problem. In that, in the Iron Ore Industry in Labrador West there are employed in Wabush Mines and the Labrador Company of Canada there are employed at least, at least 5000 people. And in Churchill Falls, Mr.

Speaker, this year will be •he biggest yearT there will be 6000 workers. Now I would 4412

May 19 1970 Tape 912 page 4. like to know what percentage of those workers Mr. Speaker, come from Labrador. And I war~ant you that there are not very many. There are less than a hundred. Out of all those jobs that are available there are less than a hundred people from the coast of Labrador who are working in these jobs. Now if that is not a serious problem I do not know what is. Particularly when you think of the fact that the emphasis of this Government has always been on the creation of jobs. The creation of jobs for whom, and from where ? Do we not belong to the Province also Mr. Speaker?

We most certainly do. And since these developments and exploitations are being made on Labrador soil the least that can be done is that these people from Labrador ae given an opportunity to work there and to earn a living, particularly when you go to the coastal communities and you see rampant unemployment. This cannot last much longer Mr. Speaker. This obvious and blatant .• neglect of the people, the residents ·of Labrador. Now I can understand ~are a part of the, ·certainly a part of the Province.

But even if per- centage wise proportionately the number of people that we have in Labrador as opposed to the number of people that we have on the island if the people of Labrador co~ld get ·proportionate employment on the basis of _their numbers at least this would ~ome but they do not even get that and nobody gives a hang about them. And it has got to come to an end and very soon. And the people ~n Churchill Falls and the Iron Ore Companies:have got to be told, by somebody in authority they have got to start hiring these people and another thing Mr.

Speaker, when I am referring to jobs, I have just returned from Labrador West. I have just returned from Labrador City. And from the time I got off the aircraft on Friday until I left early this morning I had a constant f.low of people to my door wondering if I could help them find employment. Now this is a problem that every member faces. I am not saying it for that purpose . But what I am saying is this, Mr. Speaker. That we have a Manpower Office established in Labrador West. And for all the good that that Manpower Office is doing it might as well be on the moon. 4413

May 19 19'0 Tape 912 page 5. These people they hear and they know and· they meet their friends a lot of these people, a vast percentage of them come from the Island of Newfoundland.

And it is because of the fact that they meet some of their friends who have been there and worked there, either in Churchill Falls ~abrador City, Wabush, Twin Falls, and they have come back and told them of the type of employment they have, the conditions of employment, and they have made it sound very encouraging, these people just get aboard the aircraft and go to Labrador, and then what happens when they get into Labrador City or if they get into Goose Bay, and there is a possibility of finding employment in Churchill Fallsl What is the first thing they are told when theygo to that manpower office?

You fill in your application and then they say you have g~t to go to St. John's for an interview with the Churchill Falls people. Row if this is not the height of nonsense 1 do not know what is. What are thos«·people there for? If they are employment offices they are established.in the region of Labrador, at least the Churchill Falls, the Churchill Falls people should have some people there who are in a position to interview these people. If a man had enough money to go to Labrador and try for employment and come back to St.

John's for an interview the ebances are he would not have been up there in the first place. And I think thia is arrant nonsense and somebody bas got to put a stop to it somewhere. And then when 1 see residents of my own ~own, Labrador City, when they want to go over to Churchill Falls and they go to the manpower office and they are told you have to go to Stt John's. when they only live a hundred miles away from the site, the vork site, and somebody somewhere has got to put their foot down and tell these people that they have ~ot to start m~ing, considering the people who live in Labrador, the livyers. Now Mr.

Speaker 1 would just like to read just another few quotes from this meeting in Goose Bay,(l deviated there a little) MR. HILL: What about Labrador South? 4414

May 18 1970 Tape 912 page 6. MR.BURGESS: I will get to that in a moment, MR.CROSBIE: Do not forget Labrador South it is forgotten otherwise. MR.BURGESS: This is another quote from the Hon. the Premier at this meeting ~n Goose Bay. "Long before the election comes my words will be shown to be true or false." What is true or false. The first thing that is going to happen in Happy Valley is this: (quote) Here is the first thing that is go~ng to happen. You are going to have a housing boom this year 1969. You are going to have a boom building houses. The company of Mr. Doyle will tell you about this.

The company at once, this summer, 1969, has got to build or get built two hundred homes in Happy Valley. Now you will see, you will see in Happy Valley the biggest bui~ding boom of any town in this Province, a housing boom in Happy Valley. That is coming it is coming this year. This present year. It is coming in Happy Valley the housing boom, 1969. January 1969, And what does that mean? It will mean an extension of the water and sewerage system. This means an extension of the electri~ity system. That means exC!ending the schools that means providing more school accommodation.

That means providing more hospital accoumodation, When you have a housing boom in Happy Valley the boom will make itself felt in practically every direction. The first thing the company has to do is put up a builliing, · ·a motor transport pool, and store, that , .... t building is 150xl00x24;and then the main office which is a two storey building SOxlOO feet. These two buildings will go up this summer in Happy Valley, because the main office of the company for Labrador will be here for Happy Valley. Then there will have to be built bachelors 1 quarters, a recreation centre, Mr. Speaker. That is a:·good one.

That is the one that the sod was turned on in }966 I presume. A dlning hall to accommodate four hundred to five hundred men. That would be men who would come in without their ~;sto work in the bush. Now when you get that kind of development in any town here is what happens. IDIIIediately there are more jobs, more garages more gas stations, more barber shops more beauty parlours more taxi drivers more truck drivers more hotels more motels, boarding houses, restaurants and 4tl15

May 18 1970 Tape 912 page 7. snack bars, and before you know it you have got a b00111. Well we certainly had a boom in Happy Valley and Goose Bay in that year there is no doubt about it. Some boom, if that is a boom I would hate to see a failure. ' ,And then the Ron. Premier went on Januaz-y 20, 1969 in Spruce Park a ceremony of opening a manpower o.ffice in Happy Valley to be followed by the opening of a school to take in as a start 250 men. These men are to receive upgrade training for various jobs in this. p.roj.ect. In that schoql 4416 •.

May 19th. 1970 Tape 913 PK - 1 HR. BURGESS: schools 250 men will be trained, ·three, five, six, ten months whatever it may take. They will be ~iven special training handling ~quipment, handling jack ladders, handling peeling, haniling various jobs, there are nearly 900 of them. They will be given training and while they are getting this training they will be paid salaries or allowances. Now, I would like just to point out, Mr. Speaker, the upgrading school finally opened in February of 1970 and it has a total of seventy students and training is strictly academic in key subjects up to Grade IX.

Now these are the things, Mr. Speaker, that the people of Goose Bay have been told. AN HON. MEMBER: Inaudible. MR. BURGESS: I will get to it, if the hon. minister will just sit tight, I will get to it. Now, Mr. Speaker, the Goose Bay, I have heard also on the radio yesterday, that the town of .Happy Valley council, the mayor and some of his councillors are coming down here to talk over just some of these same subjects that have been discussed so often since 1~66. They are coming here now to discuss this same thing.

Once, again, as I have said, in Election Year they are going to be· regaled with the same promises, but I am quite sure based on their performance, und their dedication to the job that they have assumed on the council, that they will take a lot of it with a grain of salt. MR. ROWE, F.W. Mr. Speaker, I think my hon. friend is very much intrigued by his statements, this is an Election Year. I wonder, if he heard any prediction made last year that 1969 was to be an Election Year? It seems to me I heard some predictions, I am wondering if my hon. friend has heard these same predictions? MR. BURGESS: No. HR.

ROWE: F.W. You did not hear any last year at all? MR. BURGESS: I am quoting a statement, I believe, the statement was made in 4417

May 19th. 1970 ·rape ':IJ.,j MR. BURGESS: the House by the Leader of the Government, that there would be an Election this year. It is still early in the year. MR. ROWE: F.W. There was a statement made, that there will be an election before December 1st. 1971, that was the statement. MR. BURGESS: Before December 1st? Mr. Speaker, the council, as I have said, based on their performance, their very capable performance, I am sure that a lot of things th~t they will be told this time, as I said, will be taken with a grain of salt. Now, when we talk about the coastal communities, Mr.

Speaker, one point that I have been asked to emphasize or make, is the fact that, I think, one of the most capable and man of integrity that I have ever met, the former Minister of Fisheries is Mr. Maloney, now being in the position he is in, on the Salt Fish Marketing Board, I would j~t like to say this for his benefit, I sincerely hope that when he is receiving counsel on this very, very important job that it includes a lot of the people or some of the people from the coast of Labrador, since a large part of their future depends on this Board and its effectiveness.

And I would sincerely hope that in listening to the counsel of the many, many people that he is going to have to receive counsel fEOm that it will include some of the very knowledgement people from the coast. Now on the coast of Labrador S9uth and Labrador North, Mr. Speaker, we have heard the principle of centralization enunicated by the Government and the concept of centralization, Mr.

Speaker, the absolute concept is a good concept in that you group people together where they can avail of facilities that go with large centres. ~e concept legally is sound, but I am not so sure about the moral aspect of centralization in that, it is required that it is necessitated that you dictate to certain people where they live. But, the point I want to make, Mr.

Speaker, is that when you are talking about centralization, I would like to refer back to what I said a short while ago, and that being that if jobs were provided in Labrador·City and Wabush and Churchill Falls for some of the people on the coast of Labrador, it would not be any problem to get these people to move of their own will and 4tl18

May J.'1~n. J.':I/U ·1·ape "'J..J PK - 3 MR. BURGESS: they would automatically comprise a Labrador community in the west of Labrador that is essentially composed of a cosmopolitian group. And there is no sense in my mind, Mr. Speaker, in tellink somebody in a small coastal community that we are moving you to Cartwright, as nice a place as Cartwright may be, but what is the sense in relocating them in Cartwright, if there is no work for the man to perform?

The work is available in Labrador City and Wabush and Churchill Falls, and this is where these people should be channeled to .• They should be directed, you should have people from the Manpower and from the industries in Labrador who make periodic tours of the coast of Labrador to find people that they may require in their operation. SOME RON. MEMBER: Inaudible. MR. BURGESS: Well, if they have an bon. member like me to look after them, they will be secure.

But, the point I am making is this, that there are no, a single industry that is fine, there are somewhere in the region of 10,000 jobs being provided in these three projects, and there is not a hundred people from Labrador who are employed in these. That is the-point I am making, and I have stated earlier, that if they were proportionly employed, there are 40,000 people in Labrador at the moment, there are a half a million here, but we are not __ . looking for that many jobs, but even if we got plloportional representation; as far .. as jobs go, but we do not. even get that.

And I think, it is a shameful state of affairs. Mr. Speaker, while I am still on the matter of Goose Bay, while I was on my way home last week, I was approached by some people who were employed by Eastern Provincial Airways and nuw since the bus operation has been practically eliminated or given to another company for reasons best known to the Government, It means that some of the people in the employ of Eastern Provincial Airways in Goose Bay have been laid off.

And as I have said, their future is not too bright in that there are not too many other jobs that they can apply for in that area, despite the fact that some of them have relocated 4419

May 19th, 1~/U MR. BURGESS: from Gander up to Goose Bay. some of these people have been laid off. Nov I can vividly remember statements by the Government about any changes that would be made in E.P.A. or during the Leadership Convention that it vas apparently the design of one individual or his family to transfer the operation of E.P.A. to Montreal and then the great furor that vas created because of men taking jobs away from Newfoundlanders.

Well the transition from taking this bus line operation from Eastern Provincial Airways and giving it to another company has essential done the same thing. it has done away with jobs for Newfoundlanders, and this was a decision of the Government. whatever department it vas and for whatever reason. I only hope that every effort~t1ll be made to try and get these people or to retrai~ them or put them in other jobs before the lay-off becomes effective. MR. HICKMAN: There are twenty laid off in Forteau and sixty-five (inaudible). MR. BURGESS: Yes. and there are some more expecting it in Goose Bay also. Now. Mr.

Speaker. the bon. Minister of Labrador Affair asked me to mention Labrador West and this is what I intend ·to do nov. Now in Labrador West unemployment is not at that great bight. of peak except nov as I have related earlier. Mr. Speaker. in that there are twice the number and I would say it runs well in the hundreds of people coming in to try and find employment on the work sites in Labrador West. But when you think of the livers 1 there is not that much unemployment. and MR. NEARY: Inaudible. MR.

BURGESS: Well 1 that is right 1 they are trying to fit a lot of these people in now. but you will always encompasse the same problem on Bell Island, I am quite sure 1 in that it is very difficult to come up with jobs immediately for these people. But I must say the companies are making a valiant effort to employ most of tbe sons and daughters of employees in Labrador. MR. WINSOR: Would the bon. member permit a question? Would he have any idea as to the number of people who go in there on spec looking for work? 4420

nay l.~~n. l.~/U rK - :> MR. BURGESS: I am afraid I could not give you an accurate account, but I would say it must be in the region of a hundred a week, this is in the summer ·months now, this is a seasonal thing.

You will always get small groups of people who come in at any time of the year, but I would say particularly when the weather gets like it is today, at this time of year, you will get fifty to one hundred a week who will come in looking for work, and a large percentage of those would be unsuccessful and I know that this is a sizeable drag on the Department of Labrador Affairs, its revenue in that these people come in, they cannot find employment, they do not have that much money with them, and it is necessary that the aepartment pay their fare back out again.

I am sure, if you check through the records of the Department of Labrador Affairs you will find that there is a very substantial number of these people,whqtit was necessary for the department to pay their way out. Now, Mr •. Speaker, in Labrador West< I have dealt at great length on various occasions with the situation in Labrador West. There is not that much proverty in that area, but the big money that goes with being employed by the Iron Ore Comapny of Canada(Wabush)the relatively large incomes has caused the cost of living to soar to astronomical heights, that is the only way I can put it.

And this is not heresay, Mr. Speaker, this is based on the Royal Commission Report on Food and Drugs on the essential items that go to keep people going. And what is going to be done about this, Mr. Speaker?

What can the people who live 6n the most westerly tip of the Province, we happen to be a part of the Province, we are told, we are a part of the Province, and yet we are paying for our isolation, and paying right to the nose despite the fact that geographically we happen to be part of the mainland, and that by virtue of ~ur geographically location, in large parts, a lot of the consumer goods which we receive come in via the north shore of the St. Lawrence and the Quebec north shore and Labrador railway, and they are shipped from the mainland itself to another part of the mainland, which is Labrador, and yet 4421

May 19th. 1970 Tape 913 PK - 6 MR. BURGESS: our costs are in the region of tifteen percent higher than they ·are here on the Island, despite the fact that it is necessary 1 Mben you are shipping consumer goods from Central Canada o~ Toronto or Montreal, they have to leave the mainland to come to the Island, so it can logically be assumed that the cost of trans~orting them would be higher to the Island· here. than it would be to an area that is located on the mainland.

And this we know for a fact 1 the various bodies that have made various types of investigations have established the fact, that it is more expensive to ship down to here from Central Canada.· And yet. we are paying fifteen percent higher than you are here on the Island. Now there are various reasons for this. I ~ave heard various reasons enunciated. But. I suspect, Mr.

Speaker, that one of the major reasons being that there are certain people here on the Island of Newfoundland who have the agencies or the .franchise for certain goods coming into Labrador, and despite the fact that they never see these goods when they are shipped from other parts of Canada, despite the fact they never see them, they never handle them, the consumer has to pay the percentage that these pe~ple receive fo~ delivery of these goods dirctly from their source. And I suspect, Mr. Speaker, this is in large part a reason that our cost of living is so much higher than here.

And to compound that fustration, Mr. Speaker, it is a well knowa~fact 1 that the highest cost of living in any of the provinces · of Canada exist in the Province of Newfoundland and on this Island, and we are higher than the Island, and the Island is higher than Central Canada. And if that is not enough to fustrate people. I do not know what is. I mentioned it before, even our brilliant Newfoundland Liquor Commission, they charge us forty cents more per bottle of liquor, than is in the sched\ue of rates, or that you would pay for it here in St. John's.

Despite the fact, that we are paying the highest price for liquo£~in Canada anyway. But 1 no the people of Labrador can afford to hick in this other forty cents for transportatiOn despite the fact that 4422

May 19th. 1970 Tape 913 PK- 7 MR. BURGESS: it does not even cost that 'forty cents in most instances, in that the liquor is shipped, not via Newfoundland but from wherever it is distilled. I have had meetings with some people this weekend, Hr. Speaker, and it is going,to come1 to amoan~ to a very emotional issue in the very near future, and I would say that before the end of this year comes about, we are going to be faced with a very emotional situation in Labrador West and possibly in Labrador North, in that we are paying sixty-seven ~ cents for a gallon of gas, Hr. Speaker.

Sixty-seven cents for a gallon of gas and despite the great promises that have been made to the people of Labrador West about keeping the bush roads open, the road from Wabush to Javelin, the toad from Labrador City to Duley Lakeiwhich are impassible nine months of the year anyway, the other three mon~hs you can only get over them on skidoo, when there is hard packed ice and snow 4423

Kay 19, 1970, Tape 914, Page 1 -- apb MR. T.BURGESS: We &till are paying more than anybody else in the Province for a gallon of gasoline and we have no roads. When is something, or what can be done about this problem? It is perfectly understandable for this Government or any other Government to stand up and say that times are hard, there is not that much money around, times are hard and we just cannot afford to pur in hundreds of miles of roads or road networks. I fell Mr..

Speaker, that there has to be some, in the interim period, until such times as somebody gets in a position who is not going to neglect Labrador to the same degree as she has been neglected, until somebody gets in a position where they will make a determined effort to do something, there should be some concessions to the residents of Labrador particularly in this area. We have to have some form of concession in terms of the purchase of our gasoline.

I have aaid it so often in this House that the taxation on gasoline is mainly for the purpose of building and maintaining roads and since there is no building of roads going on in our place, and very, very little maintenance going on, I do not see why we should have to pay this tax. The people feel very, very strongly about this issue. I have requested of this Government even to· exempt us from the last additional tax that was put on gasoline. I think it amounted to five cents, and it would have meant so much.

It would have meant a little financially, and it would -have meant a tremendous thing psychologically to know that at least this Government was giving some due recognition to the conditions that we are having to face up there. When I talk about the establishment of vital link connections or the narrowing of the gap in thinking that exists between the residents of Labrador and the Government of this Island, well that would have done, it would have helped to offset it to a great degree. If that additional tax on g~soline, even if we had been exempt of that in Labrador it would have gone so far.

But no, it was not even· given consideration. The answer came back within five seconds that it was not going to be done at this time. Well if it was not going to be done at that time, when ia it going to be done if ever? If it is not going to be done, when are we going to get our roads? 4424

May 19, 1970, Tape 914, Page 2 -- apb 1 can remember at the official opening of Wabush mines Mr. Speaker, when the bon. the Premier was there and he said that he would keep the roads, the bush roads particularly to allow the people to go hunting or fishing in the summer, when the bon. the ~remier said that these roads would be Jcept open all year round, This has not tt'anspired, this has not happened at all. We have heard talk about the establishment of a Provincial park at Duley Lake, everything is there that could possibly be needed.

The companies have bulled the road out to this area, eight miles outside of Labrador City. The companies have installed a bridge, a bailey bridge to cross the river to get to this park site, and does the Department of Highways keep this road open? No they do not. It is practically impossible for the major part of the year to take your automobile out there anyway, because, the road is in ~completely unkempt state. I would like to know when some of the promises that have been made to us up there in Labrador are going to be kept or implemented. Now Mr.

Speaker, to make the matter worse this is· the road that the people who are developing the Mount Wright project are using it and they are hauling tons and tons of supplies by vast tractors over this road to their site at Mount Wright ne~ Gagnonville _and they have what little, what few automobiles in . terms of four-wheel drives that could get out around that road to the park site, or to the fishing grounds, or fishing lakes, even they cannot make it now, because, these tractors and this equipment, these very heavy loads have completely ruined this road.

The people with their cabins out in this park area cannot ' even get out to see that they are maintained, or that they have not been burned down or what ever you have. I do not bear too much being said on out behalf anyway by the Government. In relation to transportation Hr. Speaker, the people of Labrador, well there is going to come a period in the very near future when we are not going to ask any more, and it is coming very close. We are not going to ask we are going to demand. The people of Labrador demand that the Government act on the recommendations of the Standing Committee on transportation and 4~25

May 19, 1970, Tape 914, Page 3 -- apb communicatiOns that visited Labrador last year. The people demand that even though this is a federal committee, we demand that the strongest type of representation on our behalf by the people who are supposed to be looking after this Province, be made to the Federal Government that the recommendations of this St,anding Committee be implemented. When I say implemented, the main recommendation being an immediate link between Labrador and the North Shore of the : st.

Lawrence, and that some pressure be brought to bear on the Federal Government in order that they bring about a meeting of the minds of the Government of Newfoundland and the Province of Quebec. It might be a little easier now that you have a Liberal Government there to work out the feasibility of establishing this road link from Labrador to the rest of Canada. Mr. Speaker, there is coming a time in the very near future when we are not going to ask these thing anymore, we are going to demand them. If we do not get them, this Government will accept the consequences.

We have the apparent delay, or the opinion that was always stressed in this House at least since I came into it in 1966, and sometime before, that this road link through ~uebec to the North Shore of the St •. Lawrence was never considered because there was in the minds of some people the idea that this Trans- Labrador Highway should be the first thing to be discussed and the first thing to be built. While I see a great need for the Trans Labrador also, it is -obvious to anybody with any engineering ability whatsoever, that this is the much more complex

section of the roads to be built, and then when you think in terms of when it is built, the necessity of putting this tunnel under the straits at fabulous cost, why not do the other end first and at least make the people of Labrador West and Labrador North feel at least that they have some contact with the rest of Canada. 1 have spoken about this matter quite often too Mr. Speaker, the people of Labrador are being discriminated against in the most blatant manner by the airlines that service Labrador, and I am referring to Quebec Air and Eastern Provincial Airways.

I have been told, I have sat down with some of these people and they seem to be reasonable people, and they maintain Hr. Apeaker 44!;G

Kay 191 1970 1 TApe 9141 Page 4 -- apb that in order to keep the service in operation. it is necessary to charge the rates that they do 1 the rates being thirty-five to forty per cent more than the people in the rest of Canada have to pay. particularly when they travel Air Canada. There may be a lot of justification in their statements in that they have ~o charge in order to maintain their northern stations, and in order to keep the airlines operative. There may be justification in what they say but I fail to see, I fail to see how a rate structure of this nature Mr.

Speaker. can be sanctioned by a Government body. It has to be sanctioned by a Government body, either the Air Transport Commission or the Department of Transport. How they can sanction a rate structure that is obviously discriminatory towards a certain

section of Canada is beyond me. If they have sanctioned it, it means that they see justification in the airlines making this rate structure. If they think that it is justified why are not some subsidies implemented in order to make the people of Labrador at least on some kind of a par with the rest of Canada? No, this situation has existed for years and years, and I have not heard anybody from the Government even talk about it. If they talk ·about it it ia .being done in private and private is not where the business of the people should be discussed. Mr.

Speaker. if any:ihon. member of this House had occasion to listen to a radio progr~, Labrador Affairs last Sunday morning, I am sure a -lot of them were amazed to learn •ome facts about some of our fishing industries here on the island who were desirous of shipping fresh fish into Goose Bay and the Labrador West area. Labrador City and Wabusb. Until last week Mr. Speaker, the f~eight rates per pound to ship fish into Goose Bay was twenty cents a pound. It bas since been reduced in the last week and a half to twelve cents a pound.

It had been twenty cents a pound , for a long time, for years and years. i At the same time Mr. Speaker, MOncton w~ shipping fish into Goose Bay, fresh fish which the housewives love to see coming in, love to be able to avail of it, at the same time 1 for that same period Mr. Speaker, there was fish being shipped. fresh fish being shipped from Moncton, New Brunswick into Goose Bay at twelve cents a pound. I am sorry Mr. Speaker,feurteen cents a pound. 4427

May 19, 1970, Tape 914, Page 5 -- apb Here we are in the same Province, or it is supposed to be part of this Province, and we were paying the consumer automatically had to pick up this great cost, and it was costing twenty cents a pound to ship this fish into the western part of the Province, and it could be shipped from another Province for fourteen cents a pound. I might add Mr. Speaker, that it can be. at the same time it could also be shipped from St.

John's for seven and one half cents a pound to Montreal and eight and one half cents a pound to Toronto, but the people of this Province in Labrador had to pay twenty cents a pound. Now if anybody can point out the logic of this, or if anybody can say that there is no discrimination when conditions like this exist, well if it is not discrimination, it is just that we are there and we have been completely forgotten.

If anybody can tell me that this is logical or just to the people who comprise that part of the P~ovince.I just do not know how they can justify it. 'Ihe :I!Bouse at its rising do adjourn until 3:00 p.m.

, PROVINCE OF NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY Volume 1 Number72 ,4th. Session 34th. General Assembly VERBATIM REPORT TUESDAY, MAY 19, 1970 SPEAKER: THE HONOURABLE GEORGE W. CLARKE

• May 1~ 0 l'J/U 1ape lf'Jl::J t"age 1 The House resumed at 3:00 P.M. MR. T. BURGESS: Mr. Speaker, I was referring to the problems of transportation when the House closed at 1 o'clock, that we are encountering in Labrador, and based on discussions which I have had with various ~roups and people in Labrador, I want to make the following recommendations to this hon. House, on behalf of the people I represent.

And I was in the midst of saying that this Government should apply all possible pressure on the Federal Government for the implementation of the recommendations of the Standing Committee of the House of-Commons on transportation and communications. And with reference to the planned Labrador Highway that has been spoken about in this House quite often, that this Labrador Highway be designed in an effort to connect the centers of population that presently exist in Labrador, and not directly from the Strait in a northwesterly direction to Churchill Falls.

It should encompass the present communities in order that these people will have a means of access, or exit from the areas which they live. _ When I am talking about the Trans Labrador Highway Mr. Speaker, I want to make reference once again to the road that was constructed partly from Goose Bay to Churchill Falls, and I have stressed the fact quite often before Mr.

Speaker, that this road was partly completed and then all the equipment was pulled off it, and it means that essentially the money that was spent on it has been wasted, and I would like to know1 some­ body somewhere in this House to tell me when work will proceed or continue on this road where a vast expenditure of the people's money has been made to date.

The people of Labrador would like to see the strongest kind of representation on the part of this Government to the Federal authorities in order to ensure a fair airline rate structure, and also the establishment of instrument landing equipment at the airport in Wabush in order that we can benefit - it will increase the frequency of landings and take-offs that occur in that area. It is not an uncommon thing Mr. Speaker, in Wabush to be without air service for as much as a week on end, because of poor weather conditions, and 1 think that with the establishment of 4-129

May 19, 1970 Tape #915 Page 2 instrument landing equipment, I think that the frequency could be brought up to ~ great degree. Mr. Speaker, it was announced in the House of Commons approximately a year ago about the establishment of a Maritime Freight Rate Subsidy Act, and this encompassed the Island of Newfoundland, and did not include Labrador for reasons best known to the people who made the law in Ottawa. Now I do not see any reason?if Labrador is to be considered an integral part of this Province, I do not see why we should be left out of any Government-sponsored program or legislation,or anything else.

Because this only helps to more or less convince the people that we just do not belong to the Island,to the Province of Newfoundland, to the Island of Newfoundland. And I would like to see more said by the people in Government as to the inclusion of Labrador in this Act, in the Maritime Freight Rates Act, because as I have stated this morning Mr. Speaker, our cost of living is very high and the retailers mainly account for it by stating that their transportation costs are very high.

So I would like to see somebody in our Government, particularly the ministers who are sitting in this House in Government, who "are representing the other sections of Labrador, I would like to hear some participation on their

part in trying to have the people of Labrador 1 whom they represent. included-in any Government sponsored program. And on the transportation aspect of it Mr. Sqeaker, the gasoline tax has got to be dropped for Labrador until such times as roads are provided, and particularly when you stop and consider Mr. Speaker, the climatic conditions which exist in Labrador, and the use of skidoos for instance, where in lots of cases and for very extensive amounts of the year, the only means of transportation available to the people of Labrador are by skidoo.

And I think that, particularly in the purchase of gasoline to operate a skidoo,that some consideration should be given to the people of Labrador to see that they do not have to pay this taxation on gasoline for the operations of skidoos. Now Mr. Speaker, many times in the past I have stressed the fact that because of the isolation, and because of the psychological isolation of

Hay 19, 1970 Tape 0915 Pa~e 3 the people of Labrador;and the only means by which they can reach the outside, is by air travel) I feel that tne liviers in Labrador should be allowed to claim travelling expenses to and from Labrador until such time as roads are realized. I would also like to suggest Mr. Speaker, that tax on accumulated bank interest be eliminated for the residents of Labrador. Also Mr. Speaker, that residents of mid and northern Canada be allowed tax reductions on ~lothing and fuel oil bills.

Also the residents of mid and northern Canada be given low rental housing or some incentive in order that the people will go there, and it will be an attraction, that they will go and help to develop the vast resources which are in Labrador. And with that in mind, I would like to suggest, and I have heard this mentioned in Ottawa on a number of occasions, that a Northern Canada Savings Bond be implemented, which will be tax exempt or given a high interest rate. And this bond be available only to the residents of mid and northern Canada, because we have to attract and retain competent workers to develop this area.

Now Mr. Speaker, I spoke in this House quite often about communications in terms of Television and Radio, and the request has been put forth by the people of Labrador West particularly, that the CRC build a local radio station in Labrador West, and that the present CBC facilities at Goose Bay be improved to bring all of the Coast of Labrador into contact, because this is not the case at the moment. You have areas of the Coast of Labrador and they do not know what is happening on the Island of New- foundland or in the rest of Canada from one week to the next, until such time as a boat or an aircraft arrives.

And I think that this is a completely intolerable situation ~hen we think of this wealthy affluent country of ours. And I would like to know Mr. Speaker, what if any, Wbat steps have been taken by this Government and particularly the members who represent the coastal communities of Labrador, what they have done relative to the reinstallation of the telegraph service along the Coast. If I have occasion to call one of the coastal communities today Mr. Speaker, I have to do it by radio-telephone. Well in the major portion of the Coast 44:1

May 19, 1970 Tape #915 Page 4 you have to contact them by radio-telephone. And if this is not consistent Mr. Speaker, to the expressions of inter~st concerned and doing, that I have heard since I have been sitting in this House in 1966' It is in no way consistent, particularly when you travel down around that Coast and see these people and talk to them. It is in no way consistent to the opinions that are presented to this Island about conditions along the Coast.

And I think that something has to be done to remedy this situation, otherwise as I have said this morning, the consequences will have to be accepted by this Government. When the subsidy of Eastern Provincial Airways, the Government subsidy that applies to people travelling back and forth between the Island part of the Province and Labrador when this was introduced,Mr. Speaker, it has been modified to a great extent since. As -a matter of fact half of it has been taken away. There was no consideration given at this time to the fact that there are two airline services in Labrador.

And one as far as a rate structure goes, one is equally as bad as the other in the high rates that they charge. And Quebec~here is another airline which services Labrador, and I have not heard any representation from this Government to the Department of Transport or the Canadian Transport Commission to ensure that they also bring their air fares down to a reasonable rate. And even the Air Canada flights which go into Goose Bay Mr. Speaker, charge ninety percent more for freight rates than they do for the same mileage anywhere else in Canada. Now later on in this Session Mr.

Speaker, if it continues on very much longer, I would like to see also, an amendment to the Education Act, relative to school buses in Labrador City and Wabush, in that whatever subsidies this Government gives towards the operation of school buses that it apply to Labrador City and Wabush. And I would like to see an amendment to the Education Act to encompass this. Hr. Speaker, the establishaent of small industries along the Coast are vitally necessary for the welfare and well being of these communities and the people who live in them. We have to have, I sincerely hope that the DREE program will in

part look after some of these problems, the

May 19, 1970 Tape 1915 Page 5 establishment of smaller industries that will employ some of the people in these coastal communities, but I am afraid that we have heard so much . about ARDA, FRED, and now it is DREE, that it may just go the same way as the other programs went. I sincerely hope that this DREE program would in some measure, some way, shape or form 1take care of some of th~problems that exist in these coastal communities. 0a private members' day Mr.

Speaker, for the last five weeks we have ~een hearing a discussion on the proposed Bonne Bay park, and the White Paper issued by the Government in rebuttal to this has been very specific in that it outlines ·the great number of provincial parks that exist on the Island of Newfoundland. Well there are no provincial parks in Labrador Mr. Speaker, despite the fact that they have been promised, like everything else they have been promised before . the provincial election of '66, and possibly theprovincial elections that went before.

But as for implementing or carrying out these promises, they are completely for~otten about again, and the only time they are used or taken out of the dusty _ ledgers on which they lie, is just prior to the next provincial election. Now when is this Government going to live up to its promise of the establishment of provincial parks in Labrador? When is it going to live up to its promise of the establishment of a government building in Labrador?

In Labrador West - where instead of the people everytime they have any query as to the administration of government, it has to be done by long distance phone, or to the Department of Labrador Affairs, and in essence you have people who are acting in the capacity of directors of Labrador Affairs, and all they have is the title, because they do not have any responsibility to go with the title. And as a result they are completely hamstrung and unable to do anything to rectify a lot of the_ problems that the people face.

And we were promised, there was a site established in Labrador West for a government building, but it has not materialized. It has been forgotten - the promises thrown out the window like so many more. I would like to hear somebody say when this is going 44~3

Hay 19, 1970 Tape /1915 Page 6 to be established. But possibly it will be - we will be told all about it just like the people of Goose Bay will be told in the next week or two, about the paving of roads in Happy Valley, about the establishment of the arena, the construction of the arena and many, many more things that were promised time after time and never materialized. The problems of Labrador are great Mr. Speaker. It is just impossible to outline them·.:to any degree of satisfaction in a ninety minute speech in this House of Assembly. It is impossible, because you could go on for hours and hours.

And the point I am trying to make Mr. Speaker, is that this administration,which is established on this Island, has got to become more aware of the problems of Labrador, and the problems of the people of Labrador.! do not know what it is ,nor why it is that every suggestion that is made, and the reasonable suggestion, the reasonable criticisms of this administration. t'hey are not even given any serious consideration, not even given any serious thought, let alone consideration. And I just fail to see why this situation should exist, particularly when the future of this Island rests on Labrador.

We have just got to have a change in attitude, and I can assure this hon. House that it will be demonstrated that this change of attitude is needed in the next provincial election, and that will be

May 19th.' 1970 Tape no 916 Page 1 MR. BURGF.SS: That will be demonstrated very vividly. Whenever that hon. gentleman feels like disagreeinR with liis Leader OVt"r there, he thinks of two Sides of everything~his side and the outside. I would like to ask that hon. gentleman, if he could explain 1 to the people of Labrador West and the people of his own district, why the delay even in the payment of this subsidy, which was only a sop anyway?

People have been waiting as much as two and three months for this rebate on this subsidy, because it is the only function that the Department of Labrador Affairs has to perform~and that is the processing of these rebates. I would like to know why a person has to wait two months or for one or three months whatever the case may be? I would, also, like to know Mr. Speaker, if the hon.

Minister of Mines, Agriculture and Resources received - he is not in his chair today, so I would just like to state the point, and I will put in on the Order Paper._ I would like to know what he eid with reference to the petition, which he received from the residents -of Cartwright not too long ago relative to hunting rights? I would like to know, if he even deigned to answer? . MR. CROSBIE: What happened to the chicken house? What about the chicken Mouse in ~artwright? If the bon. member ev~r came to roost in the chicken house. MR.

BURGESS: I am afraid that that chicken house is going to be made into one of the historical land marks of the southern coast of Labrador in times to come. MR. CROSBIE: The Rocky Harbour Rooster. (Inaudible) MR. BURGESS: I believe it was. I was contacted about it and it was presented in the form of a petition, and there has been no answer received. MR. CROSBIE: Cartwright Cock-a-doodle-doo~ MR. BURGESS: As I have said, Mr. Speaker, the people of Labrador are · .4 1 ... ~ ~':..: .... ;)

May 19th., 1970 Tape no. 916 Page 2 Hr. Burgess. not a very demanding people. All they want is a reasonable amount of consideration and not the current lack of consideration that exists. I would sincerely hope that from today on, that Churchill Falls, this construction site there, I do not think there should be a semi-skilled or unskilled worker on that site who has not been given the opportunity first of all from the coast of Labrador to be employed there, but unfortunately this is not the case. Now during the last couple of days in the House or a couple of weeks in this sitting, Mr.

Speaker, we have heard various debates on many, many issues and one thing _that occurs to me is the notice of motion on the part of Government to amend the Revenue and Audit Act and if, as I suspect, this amendment to the Revenue and Audit Act is to make legal this deposit of $1 million outside the Province in a bank in the United States, if this is the casef if it is not the. case, I am wrong.

But, if it is the case, it reminds me very much of the contraventio~ of existinz: :statutes that were blatantly carried out here in this House with the establishment or the right to let the union that is presently in Churchill Falls. establish in Churchill Falls and then to have a law passed · in this House a year later to make that Act legal. I do not think anybody, the law is the law, and if this union was established in contravention of the exisiting statutes at the time, I do not think it was right for this House to pass legislation to make it legal at an extremely later date. This has been evidenced now, Mr.

Speaker, in the . type of treatment that the people in Churchill Falls are receiving. Because they have no recourse, practically no recourse for their grievances at all, and it is because the peo.ple who are supposed to represent them were given a "carte blanche." Just walk in sign a contract and the dues are yours, the monthly dues. They 4A:56

May 19th. 1970 Tape no 916 Page 3 did not have to accept any responsibility for the carrying out of their functions as a representative of a·group of workers. MR. CROSBIE: They need an ombudsman up there. MR. BURGESS: The ombudsman would get an ear full, if he went in there, in Churchill Falls. Mr. Speaker, Labrador has to be brought into the main stream of this Province. It has to be brought into the main stream of Canadian living, and it can only be brought about by a change in attitude on this Government's part towards Labrador and its people.

The situation that presently exists in the vastly wealthy timber areas of Labrador South and North, these have to be developed and when they are developed, the people w~o live in the areas, the people from Labrador should benefit from them, but I would like to know when these resources are going to be exploited and developed and not just put in the hands of one or two entrepreneurs who will develop them when they see fit.

You have to have strong and able representations to the Federal authorities on the part of the people of Goose.Bay relative to the effective use of the "airport facilities, which they have there, which are the best ai~ort facilities on the Eastern Seaboard.

Nobody is talking about the utilization of this facility. and it not alone has to be talked about but something has to be done about it, so that the people of Goose Bay and Happy Valley,whose lives revolve around this facility, they have to be given an easy conscience in that they know that they have a future and not be sitting on the edge of a knife, indefinitely, depending completely upon the Ame~ican Government or the Pentagon. Mr.

Speaker, in conclusion I would just like say that once again, unless there is an immediate change in attitude on the part of this Government towards Labrador, they will have to accept the consequences.

May 19th., Tape no 914 Page 4 MR. R. BARBOUR: Mr. Speaker, first of all, Sir, !-~would like to congratulate the hon. the Premier who is now the (Acting) Minister of Finance on the great budget he brought down a few days ago. A budget that had in~lots of meat, lots of flavour, lots of spice, very digestive for the taxpayers of Newfoundland, even though, many people received raises not one cent was taxed on the people. So, I would like to congratulate the Premier. Mr.

Speaker, $85 million is a lot of money to spend on Education and because it is a lot of money, I would suggest to the Minister of Education and his staff and his officials that they make sure that the children of this Province get what they so justly deserve and that is a good education. I sometimes wonder, Mr. Speaker, if the teachers and the parents may be falling down just a little on the job.

Because, as I listened to an educator at a little meeting .over the weekend in which he made the following statement: half of the pupils leave school before they complete their Grade XI and because of that, I think, we, the older people , and the teachers should try and impart · instill into the minds of the children at the tende~ age, when they go to school, as soon as they can become responsible enough to know the benefits of education, to try and tell them what it is to have an education today. Because, Mr.

Speaker, the pupils who leave school without ~heir Grade X or XI, so far as I am concerned,are committing themselves to slave labour for the rest of their natural lives. It is true, when they do leave school, with their Grade XI, some of them may not have the necessary qualifications to go to the University, but they can go to trade schools. They can learn trades and they can fit themselves in whatever work they care to take up. Therefore, Mr. Speaker, there comes. to my mind a verse from • !I r n ~.E.:JJ

May 19th.' 1970 Tape no 916 Page 5 Mr. Barbour. the Holy Scriptures. I think it is found in proverb• 22 and Verse 6: "Train a child up the way he should go and when he gets old, he will not depart from it." Therefore, Mr. Speaker, I think that it is very essential that the teachers, that the parents co-operate, one with the other, to see to it that the child is given every, every opportunity to get a decent education. Mr.

Speaker, while watching television, because I am interested in politics and because I want to see what kind of a man will lead the Tory party, not to winning an election, when the next general election is called, because he is still going to be on that side of the House and we are gBing to be on this side of the House after the next election is called. Mr.

Speaker,this gentleman, according to his colleagues, who did not sit in .the House of Commons twice during 1969, could not have thought very much about the seven districts in the riding which he represents and one of these districts in that riding is my district, the district of Bonavista South. MR. SMALLWOOD: How many times did he sit in the Hoose of Collllllons? MR. BARBOUR: One, two - two times or twice during 1969. MR. SMALLWOOD: That is two months in the whole year? MR BARBOUR: Right. This comes from his own colleague. HR. SMALLWOOD: Sat two months out of twelve months. MR. BARBOUR: No~ two days.

Two sittings only. Two sittings. Not two months, not two weeks. MR. S~~LLWOOD: Ah! the bon. gentleman must be wrong. MR. BARJ30UR: No, I am not wrong. No I am not wrong. MR. SMALLWOOD: Two days in the House of Commons in a year? 4t1 ~ 9

May 19th., 1970 Tape no 916 Page 6 MR. BARBOUR: That is right. That is right. MR. SMALLWOOD: Did he draw his pay? MR. BARBOUR: Well I guess, if he did not draw it, may be he did not need to draw it, because they tell me he is a millionaire. MR. SMALLWOOD: Two days! This cannot be right. MR. BARBOUR: That is right. MR. SMALiJ.rDOD: Two days in a whole year: MR.. BARBOUR: That is right. His own colleague Said this. MR. SMALLWOOD: Mr . Speaker, perhaps the hon. member will yield, because what he is now saying is so astounding that I want to be sure that I understood him.

What I thought he said, was that Mr.Moores who represents a constituency, a Newfoundland Federal seat in the House of Commons, that ~tr. Moores, in a whole year, sat in the House of CoDDDOns only two days. That is what I thought he said. That cannot be right. 'l Would the bon. gentleman confirm that. Two days in a year or in a week, which is it? Two days in a year or two days in a week? Would the bon. gentleman confirm that? MR. BARBOUR:' Two days in a year, 1969 and part of 1970. MR. CURTIS: Perhaps he could tell us where the information comes from. MR.

BARBOUR: I heard it from one of his own colleagues that sits in the House of Commons with him. Everybody heard it. They read about it. I read about it and I heard it. This very same man, Mr. Speaker, this very same man, Mr. Speaker, said that as he travelled Newfoundland, as he travelled Labrador, as he went around this great Province, he said, "nothing, nothing but isolation." God help us, if we have isolation now. What did we have before 1949? I want to tell Mr. Frank Moores, the Leader of the Tory party •• MR. CROSBIE: (Inaudible). MR. SMALLWOOD: What stout defense he is getting! Notice the stout defense!

The warmth, the enthusiasm of his defense.

May 19th., 1970 Tape no 916 Page 7 MR. BARBOUR: Mr. Speaker, I had a big button and you know what was marked on it, "I'm For Joey." I came away and forgot it, because I would have worn it. Mr. Speaker, I can ~ssure Mr. Frank Moores that there is no isolation in the district of Bonavista South. There is none! There is none: MR. MURPHY: Would the bon. member yield? MR. BARBOUR: No, I will not yield. You will get your turn. MR. MURPHY-; Would the hon. member challenge Mr. Moores to run in Bonavista South? Would he challenge him? MR. BARBOUR: I am a bayman. MR. ~!URPHY: Go ahead, I do not care what you are.

Challenge Mr. Moores to run againlt you. MR. BARBOUR: I have already challenged. MR. MURPHY: I bet you will not get ten per cent of the votes. MR. BARBOUR: I have already challenged - who gat the floor, Mr. Speaker? Who got the floor? Who got the floor? AN HON. MEMBER: Give him a chance, please! MR. SPEAKER: Would the bon. members like to continue in thisvvein? MR. BARBOUR: Mr. Speaker, in a jovial mood, I did joke with the little chief, not the big chief, the big chief is over here, and I said to him that I would challenge him to come to Bonavista South, but the bon. member knows that it was just in fun.

But, if he is serious, I will take him on. I will take on Frank Moores, too, because I have done more for Bonavista South than Frank Moores has done. You are talkng about isolation. I said there was none in Bonavista South. There are forty-three communities, every community has electricity. MR. CROSBIE: They are all gone Tory or Reform Libernls. MR. BARBOUR: They are not Reform Liberals. They are not gone Tory. There are more solid Libera"rs than ever there were.

May 19th •• 1970 Tape no 916 Page 8 MR. CROSBIE: There was a meeting down there •• MR. BARBOUR: What meeting? MR. SMALLWOOD: Tell us about the meeting. MR. BARBOUR: Yes, what meeting? What meeting do you want to know about? Is it the one in which the Tortes · tried to elec~ candidates, and they had to have two meetings and then they got the five or six, and they could not get anyone outside1town of Bonavista - they could not get anybody anywhere else in that area so they had to pick six peoplel. MR. MURPHY: We did not twist any arms. MR. BARBOUR: We did not twist any arms either.

But remember this, the bon. - remember this~ at the Newfoundland Hotel, I noticed that there was a lot of arm twisting on Thursday and Friday. AN HON. MEMBER: Arm bending that was. MR. BARBOUR: Mr. Speaker, roads in every community, nice Federal p~stoffices in a number of communities •• AN HON. MEMBER: Lovely. Welfare offices •• MR. BARBOUR: Three plants. two fresh fish plants and another unit as the Queen Crab Plant, which I will come to later in my sp~ech, but Mr. Speaker. what I wanted to say was this: in the Throne Speech. I :spoke for ninety-seven minutes. I can assure

May 19th. 1970 Tape 917 PK - 1 MR. BARBOUR:assure the hon. members, I will not be that long, this time, because you see, I want to get out of the House, I want to get into my district, I want to move around amongst my people. And I do not drive around in a car waving my hands, like a seal flicking its flippers. MR. SMALLWOOD: Will the hon. gentleman confirm about this two days in a year, is that right? MR. BARBOUR: That is right. MR. SMALLWOOD: Only two days? MR. BARBOUR: 1969, and I think 1970. MR. MURPHY: What days were they? MR. BARBOUR: I do not live in Ottawa. MR.

MURPHY: It is rather a hard statement to make •••• MR. BARBOUR: It is not a hard statement to make, when it came from one of his own colleagues. MR. MURPHY: Is it Mr. Moores you are talki~g about now? MR. BARBOUR: Sure, Mr. Moores, because he spent his time going around Canada·campagining to try and strengthen the National Tory Party. MR. SMALLWOOD: Two days out of 365? MR. BARBOUR: Right. MR. SMALLWOOD: Two days? MR. BARBOUR: Two days, yes. MR. SMALLWOOD: Two days? Two days, two days out of a year? Two days in a year? MR. CROSBIE: Forty-eight hours. MR. BARBOUR: Then at that rate the National Leader; the bon.

Robert Stanfield qaid that there were hundreds ~f thousands people all over Canada living in poverty, but Sir, very littl poverty in Newfoundland and Labrador today. MR. WELLS: Oh! Ho! Ho! MR. BARBOUR: Today the flour sacks, today the brin bags are all over. MR. WELLS: It only goes to show how much the hon. member knows about 44~3

May 19th. 1970 Tape 917 PK - 2 MR. WELLS: his Province. MR. BARBOUR: It must be in yours, it is n~t in mine. MR. WELLS: It is not in my district, very little •••• MR. BARBOUR: And I am sure it is not in mine. MR. WELLS: Have you been down to Bloomfield lately? MR. BARBOUR: I beg your pardon? MR.WELLS: Have you been down to Bloomfield lately? MR. BARBOUR: Bloomfield, I have relat~ons down in Bloomfield. I stick a poster on every move that is made down there. MR. WELLS: Lethbridge? MR. BARBOUR: Yes, Lethbridge. MR. WELLS: No problem in those three communities? MR.

BARBO"~: The great National Leader of the Tories said, across Canada there wassixpercent unemployment, and he said in Newfoundland there was fourteen percent. I am not prepared to deny this, but I doubt it very much if it is fourteen percent. MR. HUREH¥~ Twenty three. MR. BARBOUR: No it is not twenty-three. Mr. Speaker, the Leader, my friend who I love very much, my member, the member for St. John's Centre - MR. NEARY: Who you gave a cup of coffee. MR. BARBOUR: Yes, and if he comes again, we will give him another cup.

He said, on a certain radio on Monday, April 20th. this is the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition 9 said , that when the budget is brougtt down it will be a good budget, the 20th. of April on a Monday, it will be a good budget and it was a good budget, one of the greatest. since I have been in this bon. House, and I have been here now for eleven years. Mr. Speaker, I would like now to come to the fisheries in my district and also the Queen Crab Industry in my district. I am happy to say that the Bonavista Cold Storage Li1pited now have seventy people employed in their 411':!11

May 19th. 1970 Tape 917 PK - 3 MR. BARBOUR: Queen Crab Plant. And they are happy to hear that the bon. Jack Davis with the hon. Acting Minister of Provincial Fisheries here in this Province have made announcements to the effect that money will be spent to continue experimenting on canning of crab at Bonavista and provision has been made for expansion to the plant so that other native shell fish will be canned. I talked with the new manager of the fish plant, I talked with him and he told me, his name is Mr.

Pottle by the way, he told me that the trap you catch the queen crab in is made like an ice cream cone, it is made with steel straps and it is covered with nylon webbing, nylon net. They fish in 150 to 187 ft. of water, and at the present time there are four long liners out of Bonavista bringing in good catches everyday. I am also very happy too that P.Janes. ·& Sons Limited, Rants Harbour,have taken over the plant in Salvage and they too are into the crab industry, and there , there are three long liners which catch the crabs, bring them in, store them in the store until ~p they are picked/by truck.

This store at the present time has wooden flooring, they intent this summer to put a concrete flooring there and to handle not only queen crabs but other shell fish and salmon and lobster and codfish, and by the way, Mr. Speaker, AN. HON. MEMBER: How do you catch the crab fish? MR. BARBOUR: ~ell, the crabs as I have said are caught in traps made in the shape of an ice cream ·-cone. AB~-Bon.-Member: Would they be like lobster traps? MR. BARBOUR: Well, no, a lobster trap is not made like an ice cream cone.

No it has three~eighth steel cover rod, which builds the trap, then it is covered with nylon netting, and they go so deep as 150 to 187 ft of water to catch these crabs. They crawl into it, yes. It might be interesting to know that the men are not allowed to process the queen crab, it is done by the women. MR. COLLINS: Why are the men not allowed to process them? MR. BARBOUR: Well, because it is a food very delicate and must be kept very 411':15

May 19th. 1970 Tape 917 PK - 4 MR. BARBOUR: clean and they know that the ladies are tidy, they are dressed with their beautiful white caps, their beautiful white gowns, and even their finger nails are spotless, and it is up to the ladies to do this. The part the men play is boiling the crabs, which takes seven minutes, and then they are passed on conveyors into the plant and the ladies take over.

Last yeat they were doing it up in five pound packages, this year they are going to do them in one pound packages and half pound cans, and the marker is very brisk, as you know not only to the mainland, but to the United States and even to England they export the queen crab. So it is an industry, that is certainly making headway, it is an industry that is employing a lot of people, it is an industry that is helping the people to get a decent living. MR. NEARY: It is gone pass the experimental stage nowl MR.

BARBOUR: Well, they are still experimenting on them, because they are not satisfied with it yet, but there is going to be such a demand that they are going to make sure everything is in order. Mr. Speaker at Charleston we have a fresh fish plant and somewhere around fifty or sixty people are employed there, and they do not only process the codfish, they do not only take the flounder, the lobsters and salmon,they also take potheads and store them and freeze them for the mink farms.

As I said, the lobs~er fishery, the salmon fishery and the codfishery is off to a very good start in Bonavista, and I understand the price of lobster per pound is somewhere around seventy-five cents, and salmon,with the gut in,is also seventy-five cents a pound. Mr. Speaker, there is one little community known as Newman's Cove where ninety-nine percent of the men are fishermen, Th~y need a small bait depot .. so that they can be provided, Sir, with bait instead of having to go eight miles by car or by motor boat to .the bait depots in Bonavista to get their bait for the days fishing.

I am working hard on this, and I am going to keep after our great Liberal Government in Ottawa and see if something cannot be done about it, because Newman's Cove is certainly a self-supporting community, hard working, hones~ fishermen, and there is nothing too good for 44~6

Hay 19th. 1970 Tape 917 PK - 5 MR. BARBOUR: the fishermen of Newfoundland. Mr. Speaker, I am not so sure, that I am pleased with the way Manpower and a committee from the Board of Trade are handling the jobs for the students who attend University and the students who attend high schools. My knowledge that I have received is; if you are a graduate, there is a chance you can get a job with Manpower, because they co-ordinate with the Board of Trade or the Board of Trade with them. But, if they are just a couple of years in the university, their chances are very slim.

How then in the name of God are the high school students 7 at ~he age of seventeen, sixteen, or eighteen years old going to get a job? You know what, Mr. Speaker, as far as I am concerned Manpower is not doing that job it is suppose to do, ror instance, if you want to go down to Churchill Falls to work, if you have .a friend working down the·re, and you write him, he will talk to the foreman and the foreman will pass this person's name with Manppwer and he has a much better chance of getting down there, than he has going down to Manpower with all his qualifications and getting a job. MR.

WELLS: What are the Government doing about· it? MR. BARBOUR: It is a simple matter, but we are interested, very much interested. I spoke about it in my Throne Speech, and I keep hammering on their doors 1 day in and day out and we will make progress somethime. But, l ask you, I ask the bon. Leader of the Opposition, what would the Tory Government do about it? MR. MURPHY: We will, if we get the chance. MR. BARBOUR: You are never going to get that chance. I am going to be here for another ten years, and I will be over here, and you are going to be over there. Mr.

Speaker, we are talking about resettlement, I came from Bonavista Bay and I know for a fact that every family that has moved to the mainland to Bonavista North or to Bonavista South, particularly so all of the people that came from Pinchards Island and went to the mainland of Bonavista North are very happy and very contented, but there is one thing I do not like about ~~.'1~7

May 19th. 1970 Tape 917 PK- 6 ,~ MR. BARBOUR: this, if a man" say in Tickle Cove, and he wants to move to a growth centre, he can go there, one family c~ move, but if a man wants to ~o up to a place where it is not a growth centre but he can make a living, well then there is a nigger in the woodpile somewhere, you cannot make much progress. I would like to see that abolished, and I would like to see a man wherever~ he thinks he can make a.living be permitted to go. MR. MURPHY: He is not eligible for any help if he does not go to a growth centre. MR.

BARBOUR: Well, we help those who need help, that is the policy of the Liberal Government, to help those who need help. Mr. Speaker, I want to talk about pavement, roads, AS you know, the Liberal Government has paved twenty-two miles of road from Clarenville into Lethbridge, two or three miles outside to Southern Bay. AN. RON. MEMBER: Inaudible. MR. BARBOUR: Look when·· Confederation came, there were only cow paths. There was no Barbour Street then, there was no Barbour swimming pool then, there was no Barbour Jridge then, but it is all now. MR.

MURPHY: We should have called it Barbouration, instead of Confederation. MR. BARBOUR: My bon. friend can laugh at Barbour voads, go over there and see the difference there is in Barbour Road, than what there was when I went there, go over and see it, two and three cars can pass abreast.

And I have seen as high as sixty-four cars from the Terra Nova Park going into the community of Terra Nova, And take a dip, take a swim in the Barbour swimming pool, where we have a lad~es'-dtessing roams<·&Dd .men~ dress~ng rooms, where we have picnic grounds, where we have tables, where we have chairs, where the kids can wade and play MR. COLLINS! •••••• afterwards getting fixed up. MR. MURPHY: We have a car wash here on ·Elizabeth Avenue where I saw hundreds today. MR. BARBOUR: They do not was their cars. MR. SMALLWOOD: It is lovely to have a sense of humour ah~ MR. MURPHY: It must be. MR.

BARBOUR: There is no pollution in the Barbour swimming pool, I can tell 44<:18

May 19th. 1970 Tape 917 PK- 7 MR. BARBOUR: that, because it is kept clean, they do not wash their cars there, they are not allowed. Please do not make fun. MR. MURPHY: We are not. MR. BARBOUR: We are not fun, you are make fun at your betters. 4449

May 19. 1970 Tape 0918 Page 1 MR. BARBOUR: making fun of your betters MR. MURPHY: He saw forty or fifty cars at the Barbour swimming pool that is all I know. MR. BARBOUR: Mr. Speaker, I was on pavement MR. MURPHY: Kind of slippery MR. BARBOUR: You know it is"wonderful. The people are delighted. They are clapping their hands, because now the dust within the next couple or three years will be eliminated not all the way from Port-aux-Basques to Cape Bonavista, not all the way from the Straits of Belle Isle to Cape Bonavista, not all the way from St.

John's to Cape Bonavista, but there will be no dust at all because after the next three years we will have all of the Cabot highway paved on the Bonavista peninsula from Clarenville to Bonavista. That is a great achievement, and I am happy, I am happy that I was able to play a small

part in it. Furthermore, Eastport peninsula will be paved, Happy Adventure, Sandy Cove and Eastport itself, and I hope in my bon. friend's district from Bonavista North,where the Park boundary pavement is just two miles outside of his district, a place called Sandring­ ham will also be paved too. I am working hard on that, because who knows Mr. Speaker, who knows, I am a native son of Bonavista North, and perhaps some day I would like to go back there and run in that district to prove once and for all, I am not only the boss of Bonavista South, but I am the boss of BonaVista North too. Mr.

Speaker, when work starts at Come-by-Chance, I hope it will be shared so that not only will Placentia area, Trinity South area, but all districts, at least get a part of the job that will be there. In my district we have nine community councils and one town council, and you can see the difference. Specific improvements have been made because people are involved. People are concerned. People are interested because they have their own local government and Mr. Speaker, what I appreciate a