Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 1 December 2005 (45th General Assembly, 2nd Session, Vol. XLV No. 40)

2005-12-01

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 1 December 2005 (45th General Assembly, 2nd Session, Vol. XLV No. 40)

2005-12-01

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

December 1, 2005 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Vol. XLV

No. 40

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER: (Hodder): Order, please!

Admit strangers.

This afternoon we would like to welcome to the visitors gallery, a former

Member for Labrador West, Mr. Perry Canning.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: We have members' statements this afternoon as follows: the

hon. the Member for St. John's Centre; the hon. the Member for the District of

Bay of Islands; the hon. the Member for the District of Burin-Placentia West;

the hon. the Member for the District of Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune; and, the hon.

the Member for the District of Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

The Chair recognizes the hon. the Member for the District of St. John's

Centre.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SKINNER: I rise today, Mr. Speaker, to recognize the one hundred and

fiftieth anniversary of the consecration of the Basilica of St. John the

Baptist. It was September of 1855 when Bishop Mullock and the congregation of

the Basilica Parish assembled and celebrated high mass in their cathedral.

The idea of the building of a church in St. John's for those of the

Catholic faith was initiated by Bishop Fleming in 1834. At that time St. John's

had a population of 19,000 people, of which 14,000 were Catholic.

It took Bishop Fleming five years of negotiating with the Queen of England,

Queen Victoria, before he was able to secure a grant of nine acres of land on

what was then known as Fort Townsend. In May of 1839 excavation of the site

began and all classes of people joined in to work. The task was estimated to

take two months, but because of the number of people who showed up it was

completed in just two days.

Men from the City of St. John's went into the woods some twelve miles from

the site to obtain the timber needed for scaffolding. In just over three hours

they returned with over 4,000 pieces of timber, each of them thirty feet in

length.

The stone for the church was secured locally, and large quantities were

transported from Kelly's Island in Conception Bay, Signal Hill in St. John's,

and several other sites near the city. Stone was also brought in from Galway and

Dublin, shipped directly from Ireland. All of the work was done voluntarily by

men and women of the local community. The Basilica stands as a landmark in St.

John's, high on the hill overlooking St. John's Harbour. It is a beacon for

all those who enter our port city, and it is a testament to the Catholic church

and the Catholic faith in our Province.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time has elapsed

Does the hon. member have leave?

MR. SKINNER: I ask all hon. members to join me in celebrating the one

hundred and fiftieth anniversary.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise in the House today to

recognize a resident from my district who was recently honoured for her

contributions to improving the quality of life for Aboriginal women in Canada.

On Tuesday, November 15, Erica Samms-Hurley of Mount Moriah received the

Governor General's Award in Commemoration of the Persons Case. She received

the award for her work promoting health among the Aboriginal population,

especially among women.

Ms Samms-Hurley, a registered nurse, is one of the four youth members of the

Board of Directors of the Native Women's Association of Canada. She has

attended the federal government's Canada Aboriginal roundtable

discussion-health sectoral, sat the National Aboriginal Health Organization's

Board for a period of time, has been involved with the National Aboriginal Youth

Awards and the National Aboriginal Organization's Youth Committee.

At present, Ms Samms-Hurley is involved with the health and communications

portfolio for the NWAC's Youth Council and ensures issues affecting youth are

brought to the forefront by the NWAC. Her priorities include challenging The

Indian Act and Bill C-13 and working with the Coalition for the Stolen Sisters

which NWAC has spearheaded to deal with issues of missing Aboriginal women

across Canada.

Ms Hurley's other achievements include receiving The Native Friendship

Award and the NWAC's Corbiere-Lavell/Mary Two Axe Early Student Scholarship.

I ask all members of the House to join me in congratulating Ms Samms-Hurley

on her achievement and her continued dedication and commitment to Aboriginal

people.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Burin-Placentia West.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JACKMAN: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognize the outstanding

bravery of a young man from my District of Burin-Placentia West. Sapper Perry

Rideout is, as I speak, in Pakistan working to help those in need after the

devastating earthquake that hit the region this fall. Mr. Rideout is a member of

the combat engineering squadron assigned to the Canadian Forces Disaster

Response Team, otherwise known as DART.

The first role of DART is to provide water purification so that people of

Pakistan will have clean drinking water. But they also provide a bridge to other

government and non-government organizations to set up the groundwork for

continued aid in the region.

Mr. Speaker, Sapper Rideout has been enjoying his military career for

three-and-a-half years now. Having served in Afghanistan and Haiti before

embarking on his present task, he says he loves his work.

The son of Hilary and Shirley Rideout of Marystown, Perry has and is

certainly making us all proud and is looking forward to being home for

Christmas.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members to please join me in extending

appreciation to Sapper Perry Rideout and all our Canadian Military Forces for

their continued bravery.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune.

MR. LANGDON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, on Saturday, November 26, I had the privilege of attending the

Annual Lions Club Charter Night in Harbour Breton. This year the club reached a

milestone as they celebrated their fortieth year of Lionism in the community.

The international theme for the Lions Club is: We Serve. In a community that

is seeing difficult economic and social conditions, the Lions are fulfilling

their commitment as they support, care and serve the residents of Harbour

Breton. Although many of the local Lions are facing their own financial and

social hardships, they never turn away from their volunteer effort to support

all those around them. I congratulate each and every one of them on their

individual commitments to their Club.

Mr. Speaker, the Lions Club of Harbour Breton, through volunteer efforts, has

been making a difference in Harbour Breton for the last forty years. They

continue to support those with emergency financial needs, celebrate with the

seniors on special occasions, financially support local schools and coordinate

the annual Santa Claus Parade, just to name a few of their interests. Larger

projects for the Club includes the operation of the local ambulance service,

operate an accommodations complex for seniors and maintain the children's

playground in the community. It is important to note, that the presence of a

strong Lioness Club assist the Lions Club in making these projects a success.

Mr. Speaker, I must recognize Lion Leo Martin, a charter member of the

Harbour Breton Lions Club. Leo shared in the anniversary celebrations and has

been an active member of the Club since its inception forty years ago.

I ask all members to join me in congratulating current President Gerome

Stoodley and all members of the Harbour Breton Lions Club on their many

accomplishments over the past forty years and best wishes for much success into

the future.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to recognize Mr. Reg Hancock, a public servant in my district,

who recently received the 2004 Public Service Award of Excellence at a formal

awards ceremony held here in St. John's on September 20.

This award recognizes individuals and teams in the provincial public service

who have demonstrated exceptional performance and have positively impacted the

quality of the work environment, or the quality of service delivery to clients

in the areas of leadership, valuing people and innovation. Mr. Hancock, who is

employed with the Department of Innovation, Trade and Rural Development in

Forteau, was one of seven provincial winners.

Mr. Speaker, I ask my hon. colleagues today to join with me in congratulating

Mr. Hancock for this well-deserved recognition for his dedication and his

commitment to the people of Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans.

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise today to congratulate Mr. William Stuckless

on receiving a Provincial Long-Service Award for forty years with the Badger

Volunteer Fire Department. Now, that says a lot about commitment, doesn't it,

forty years of volunteer service.

It was an honour for me to present this award to Mr. Stuckless during the

first firefighters' ball since the 2003 flood. As well, I was delighted to

congratulate members of the Badger Volunteer Fire Department for their dedicated

service, including retiring fire chief Harry Noel, who spent twenty-four years

with the volunteer fire department and ten of those as fire chief.

Mr. Speaker, this event was a time for all involved to get back into the

swing of things. The anticipation for the Badger Volunteer Fire Department to

get into their new hall, get organized and get back into a regular routine was

obvious. This banquet gave the firefighters an opportunity to thank many groups,

individuals and businesses who helped the department out during the flood.

Mr. Bill Stuckless was also represented with a Special Federal Service Award

for his outstanding volunteer service.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this hon. House to join with me in

recognizing Mr William Stuckless on these outstanding service awards to his

community, region and Province.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Statements by ministers.

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in this House today in recognition of World AIDS Day. On this day each

year, Mr. Speaker, we are united in our support for the individuals, families

and communities affected by HIV or AIDS.

The theme for World AIDS Day 2005 is: Wise up and wear it. It encourages us

all to wear a red ribbon as a sign of support for people living with HIV and a

symbol of hope for the future.

Mr. Speaker, HIV is one of the biggest social, economic and health challenges

in the world, with over 40 million people in the world living with HIV or AIDS.

Everyday in Canada, eleven people are newly infected with HIV, reinforcing the

need for ongoing HIV prevention.

Mr. Speaker, government is proud to support the efforts of the AIDS Committee

of Newfoundland and Labrador in its efforts to support those individuals

infected with HIV/AIDS, prevent the spread of new infection through education,

network with other groups working in AIDS related areas, and to advocate for

social and political change.

As part of our commitment to engaging in preventative programming, our

government recently provided the AIDS Committee of Newfoundland and Labrador

with $50,000 to support a Needle Exchange Program. The program, titled Safe

Works Access Program, provides services and information needed to help prevent

HIV and Hepatitis B and C being transmitted from one infected person to another

through shared needles and other injection equipment.

Mr. Speaker, stigma and discrimination are major obstacles to effective

HIV/AIDS prevention and care. Fear of discrimination prevents people from

seeking testing or treatment, or from acknowledging or dealing with their HIV

status. Throughout his battle with this disease, Tommy Sexton continued to

strive to eliminate the stigma and discrimination surrounding this disease. By

confronting this stigma, as Tommy did, we can encourage individuals to join the

fight against HIV/AIDS.

Mr. Speaker, each year we celebrate Tommy Sexton's legacy in AIDS awareness

in our Province at the annual Tommy Sexton Benefit Concert. This annual

fundraiser, organized by the AIDS Committee of Newfoundland and Labrador and the

Tommy Sexton Foundation, raises money to support people living with HIV/AIDS

across the Province. This year's event will be held Saturday, December 10,

from 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. at the Masonic Temple in St. John's, and I

encourage my colleagues and members of the public to support this worthwhile

cause.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. colleagues to join with me in wearing a red

ribbon today in support of those living with AIDS, and in the hope that one day

there will be a cure for this disease.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to thank the minister for an advance copy of his statement.

We are pleased to recognize and honour World AIDS Day, and we would be

pleased to wear the red ribbon as part of the campaign.

Mr. Speaker, I think that AIDS is an issue and a disease in our Province that

quite often we do not always recognize and promote and educate people as much as

we should.

There was an era where we went through a great deal of promotion in

education, but it seems as a society we have been lax in latter years. It is

always good when you see more and more support for things like the Tommy Sexton

Centre. I know that Our Divas Do Broadway charity this year donated a

substantial amount of money to that particular cause. I also know that the

programs that support the prevention of AIDS are also very important.

I want to acknowledge today and congratulate the minister for the $50,000 for

the Needle Exchange Program, because that outreach service that is being

provided in our city is a valuable service. I think in the last two years the

people at that centre will tell you that the numbers have grown. The number of

people who come there to look for needle exchange is growing, because of

education and awareness, Mr. Speaker, and I think it is important that we

support those outreach initiatives that go and lend themselves to preventing

diseases such as this within our Province and in our country.

Mr. Speaker, we are proud to be associated with this today, and we certainly

congratulate the government for the money they are putting forward as part of

the Needle Exchange Program.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Further statements by ministers?

The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to invite all Members of the House of Assembly,

government employees, their families and members of the general public, to the

annual Christmas Lights Across Canada Ceremony this evening. It will take place

in the main lobby of the East Block of Confederation Building starting at 6:15

p.m.

Christmas Lights Across Canada is a national celebration as the national and

provincial capitals turn on their Christmas lights on the same day. Newfoundland

and Labrador, being the most easterly Province, is usually the first to turn on

its Christmas lights each year.

Mr. Speaker, this event originated in 1986 and has been held in this Province

since 1987. This year's display includes approximately 51,000 lights on

Confederation Hill and along Prince Philip Parkway, as well as six billboards

depicting Christmas scenes. The tree that will be illuminated this evening in

front of Confederation Building came from Salmonier Line.

Our display includes thirteen trees with white lights as a symbol of our

country's thirteen provinces and territories. The large main tree containing

multi-color lights is a symbol of the diversity of the nation.

Mr. Speaker, the purpose of the event is to instill a sense of pride and

co-operation among Canadians through the display of colourful Christmas lights

to kick off the holiday season. Tonight, hundreds of thousands of lights will be

illuminated across the country, a symbolic tradition that joins all Canadians.

The event kicks off with Christmas carols by the St. Bonaventure College

Primary Choir, with further musical entertainment provided by the Salvation Army

Citadel Band. It is my pleasure to join with my son Nicolas in throwing the

switch to light the tree in front of Confederation Building at about 6:45 p.m.

Local entertainer Kelly-Ann Evans will be the Master of Ceremonies.

Refreshments will be available afterwards in the main lobby. I encourage

everyone to attend this evening's celebrations as we kick off the holiday

season.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the minister for an advanced copy of the release. We, too, on this

side, would love to partake in such a national celebration. It is a celebration

for all across Canada, and for all of us to help bring Christmas back into our

lives and into our spirit. As we notice here, the multi-coloured lights

recognizes the symbol of the diversity of the nation, and in Newfoundland and

Labrador, we ourselves are becoming much more multi-cultured than before.

I say to the minister, I just hope - Nicholas is going to join you, your

eight-year-old son is going to turn on the lights and to make sure you are going

to do it right, is that Santa gives him an extra gift for doing it, to make sure

that the lights are turned on properly and in time. So, Nicholas, you will be

getting an extra gift from Santa.

This is also a time for us, as Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, to be

thankful for everything that we have. It is also a time for Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians to remember the less fortunate, for which we are very famous for.

So, congratulations to all the provinces who are going to be celebrating all

across Canada.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Further statements by ministers?

Oral Questions.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Mr. Speaker, the people of Fortune and surrounding communities

are in shock today following a meeting that took place yesterday between the

Concerned Citizens Committee and Fishery Products International. The Mayor of

Fortune is adamant that the committee was told that with or without an Income

Trust, FPI would not be proceeding with a secondary processing plant in Fortune.

I ask the Minister of Fisheries or, I guess, in this case, his alternate: Was

the government aware of this decision by FPI?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Of course, in our debate back in June there was a substantial piece of the

debate on whether FPI should be allowed to go forward with their Income Trust,

were commitments made to communities throughout the Province. Of course, Mr.

Speaker, with the suspension of activity, as it related to the Income Trust,

there became some concern about whether or not those commitments would be

honoured. At this point, all I can say, based on information from the Department

of Fisheries and Aquaculture and from the company and from the minister, is that

the internal review of FPI is continuing and a final decision on the status of

Fortune and other facilities will be made once that internal review is

completed.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Mr. Speaker, the company even gave the reason at the meeting

why they were not proceeding with the processing plant in Fortune. They said

that because of the delay in establishing an Income Trust, FPI lost the

opportunity to buy three marketing companies it wanted in the U.S. Mayor

Noseworthy did not make that up. I mean, that was said at the meeting. According

to the mayor, the FPI officials at the meeting said without these companies, FPI

would not proceed with a secondary processing plant in Fortune because it did

not have the markets for additional products and that FPI's secondary plants

in Burin and Danvers, Massachusetts are not working at full capacity.

I ask the minister: Where you aware of FPI's plans to purchase these

companies?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, needless to say, we were aware that FPI did want to pursue

consolidation of seafood marketing opportunities in the U.S. market. I think

that was well known and well articulated by FPI at the time. We talked about it

here in debate in the House of Assembly last spring.

Mr. Speaker, I cannot speak to whether or not FPI have given up on those

acquisitions that they had been planning on pursuing back last spring. I think

it is fair to point out that the decision that was made by the federal

government to review Income Trust and the taxation implications associated with

that, caused a substantial delay. As well, Mr. Speaker, just trying to finalize

the contract between FPI and the government to allow the Income Trust to

proceed, to allow the FPI Act amendments to be proclaimed, caused delays. Right

now, obviously the federal government have changed their mind on the Income

Trust and, Mr. Speaker, we will see after the internal review is done how FPI

plans on proceeding. Hopefully, they will find a way of moving forward and

constructing the facilities that they have indicated that they would.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Mr. Speaker, obviously the company knew the situation in Burin

and Danvers when they made the commitment to establish a secondary processing

plant in Fortune. It now appears that that was just an empty promise made to get

an agreement with respect to an Income Trust. We know the company delayed its

plans for an Income Trust, apart from what the federal government did. We know

the company had time to put in place that Income Trust but they decided to delay

it. The question is, whether that was part of the overall plan.

Minister, this is one company in the U.K. that FPI has purchased; three in

the U.S. that they were planning to purchase. Are you away of any other

companies that FPI plan to purchase outside of the Province with an Income

Trust?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, first of all for the record, to get the facts straight, I was

not aware, and we were not aware, of what companies FPI might be considering -

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, we were aware that they were looking at

companies in the U.S. and that they were looking at companies in Europe, in the

U.K.. In order to enable them to do that - I say, we spent eighteen months

asking questions on this issue, and part of the reason why the Income Trust

transaction did not go ahead, prior to the federal government making their

decisions, is because we wanted to nail down the commitments that FPI made to us

last spring in advance of the vote in this Legislature on amendments to the FPI

Act.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, until the contract is finalized, no matter what

the federal government does on Income Trust, no matter what happens with FPI,

until the contract is finalized between FPI and the government on the

undertakings that they provided to us in advance of the vote in June, there will

not be permission given to FPI. The act will not be proclaimed and FPI will be

able to go forward with an Income Trust.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Chair recognizes the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Mr. Speaker, I guess that is a part of the problem. You

probably should not have stopped asking questions, in light of what happened

yesterday and the commitment to Fortune now being off the table.

I ask the minister about their plans to invest in the Province. Did you ask

about that? Did you ensure with all this money they were looking to spend

outside of the Province to buy companies, did they have money put aside, in

fact? Did they plan on investing in Fortune and Harbour Breton and Bonavista?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, I do not understand where the member is coming

from on her questions. The fact of the matter is, in the House of Assembly last

spring in June - I guess it was summer, in late June - we had a debate about the

FPI Act, about the Income Trust transaction, and it was clearly identified, the

commitments that were made and the monies associated with those commitments for

the development in Fortune, for Bonavista, for payment to the people in Harbour

Breton and so on and so on.

So, Mr. Speaker, all she has to do is go back to Hansard from June. She will

find the answer to all of those questions. It was well laid out that if the

Income Trust transaction proceeded and they raised the type of money that they

were talking about, or whether they raised the type of money they were talking

about or not, if the Income Trust transaction took place and 40 per cent of

their marketing arm was sold, Mr. Speaker, in an Income Trust, then the funds

from that would fund the developments in Fortune, Bonavista, et cetera, et

cetera. Now, if the Income Trust does not go ahead, obviously, we all know the

answers to the questions that she has posed, then things cannot happen in the

absence of the money. The undertakings were based on that.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair recognizes the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Interestingly enough, Mr. Speaker. Obviously, the plans were

not laid out well enough to get the Premier's support of the day, even though

we have members in government who did support the proposal.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS FOOTE: Mr. Speaker, what FPI is doing to the people of this Province

is criminal. Criminal! They are playing games with people's lives. In fact, I

am told that at the meeting with the Concerned Citizens Committee not only did

the company say there wouldn't be a secondary processing plant going in

Fortune, they said there would be no FPI plant operating in Fortune. The

statement was made, that if someone was interested in making a good offer to buy

the plant FPI would examine it. That wasn't comforting news for the people of

Fortune and I am sure it isn't comforting for the people of Bonavista.

I ask the minister: Is the government aware that FPI is willing to sell its

fish plants in the Province if the price is right?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, it is very interesting that here we are now, on the 1 st

of December, and the vote took place on the income trust and the amendments to

the FPI Act in late June, I believe it was the 25 th of June, if I am

not mistaken. Mr. Speaker, the member who is asking the questions of the

government and me, today, about what is happening with the income trust and

Fortune and all other places, fair enough, but she needs to be reminded that she

was part of the debate, they were part of the debate, it was an open and free

vote, and she voted to allow the income trust transaction to go forward, to

allow the FPI Act to be amended, just the same as I did. That is the fact. I

stand by my decision on that day, Mr. Speaker.

There are a number of issues that took place since then, a number of

developments, including an action by the federal government, including

deterioration in income trust in the country, in North America generally, Mr.

Speaker, affecting more than just fish companies, by the way, affecting one fish

company in New Brunswick that is long established in an income trust, Connors

Brothers. Mr. Speaker, those are the fact.

As for what is happening in Fortune and the other communities, we will hold

FPI to their undertaking -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Chair recognizes the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Mr. Speaker, I voted for an income trust because it was a

promise to build a secondary processing facility in Fortune, and the member

knows that.

When the former Minister of Fisheries was in Opposition he said, and I quote:

It looks like the new management of FPI has a thing or two to learn about

building that sense of trust and good will in the communities in which is

operates. That was a quote you made, Sir, in the Western Star in December

of 2001. Obviously, they didn't learn the lesson, and today the company is not

only riding roughshod over its employees but over this government, and the

government is allowing it to happen.

I ask you minister: Given your own words and this latest incident with FPI,

when will this government do the right thing and agree to the request from the

Opposition for a public enquiry into the management and operations of FPI?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, my comments from December of 2001 were shared, and that view was

shared, by our government. That is why we spent the time, why we took the time,

and why we negotiated so long with FPI and the management of FPI and the board

of FPI, before we agreed to even bring legislation to the House to amend the FPI

Act. Had that Opposition, when they were government, taken half the time to ask

half the questions that we asked over the last year-and-a-half of the company,

maybe things would have been different in 2001.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Maybe, Mr. Speaker, if that government had talked to FPI to

make sure that it lived up to its commitments, the people in Fortune would not

be in shock today.

The internal review being carried out by FPI can only spell trouble in this

Province. It should be obvious to anyone that the outcome will mean fewer fish

plants and fewer jobs.

Minister, why is this government turning a blind eye to the hardship that FPI

is causing their employees and the communities, especially in rural

Newfoundland?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as I said earlier - I will say it again - before the FPI Act is

proclaimed, before any latitude is given to FPI to be able to move forward with

an income trust, whether they want to or not, they will have to sign a contract

with the government reflecting the undertakings and the commitments that they

provided to government, to communities, to members on this side of the House, to

members on that side of the House, last spring.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Now, Mr. Speaker, that is it, full stop. There will not be a

proclamation of the amendments to the FPI Act. There will not be an income

trust. There will not be a sale of 40 per cent of the U.S. marketing arm. There

will not be any changes in that order until the contract is signed and the

undertakings that were provided are lived up to. That is the government's

position. It was the government's position in June, it is the government's

position today, and it will be the government's position going forward, Mr.

Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Mr. Speaker, it is obvious to everyone - except for this

government, it appears - that FPI has lost the right to operate in this

Province. It was established with the support of taxpayers in this Province to

create employment opportunities for our people.

With the amendments to the FPI Act, the government will lose all authority it

has. I am asking the minister to speak to the Premier and your government to

make sure that the amendments do not happen and that you come back to this House

of Assembly -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS FOOTE: - that you come back to this House of Assembly so we all have

an opportunity to make sure that FPI lives up to its commitments.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, what can you say?

The question that was asked has already been answered on about five occasions

in this Question Period, Mr. Speaker, besides all the other times that they have

been answered inside and outside this House over the past couple of weeks and

the past number of months, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, there is an internal review going on at FPI.

Government is going to be engaged; the union is going to be engaged

I assume, given that the member was a minister in government, given that she

sat in government for quite a period of time, she would know that until the act

is proclaimed, no matter what we debated and agreed to in June, it is irrelevant

until it becomes proclaimed.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions today are for the Minister of Transportation and Works.

I would like to know: Why wasn't Route 516, the

section of the Labrador

Highway from Happy Valley-Goose Bay intersection to the Town of Cartwright, not

included in the Trans-Canada Highway designation?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, at this point, that highway is not built. Right now the

Trans-Labrador Highway, as it exists, the Northern Peninsula Highway from Deer

Lake to St. Barbe, has been included in the National Highway System, Mr.

Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, when it is done -

AN HON. MEMBER: That has been built for ages!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. TAYLOR: Yes, Mr. Speaker, and the Trans-Canada has been built for

ages. I believe the saying was, "Finish The Drive In Sixty-Five", with

Lester B. Pearson, if I am not mistaken, so it has been built that long, and

that is part of the National Highway System, Mr. Speaker. Is he suggesting that

once we build a highway we pull it out of the National Highway System?

Mr. Speaker, the fact of the matter is, the Trans-Labrador Highway is a part

of the National Highway System. The Northern Peninsula Highway is part of the

National Highway System. I would hope, Mr. Speaker, now that there is a federal

election on the go, that the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair would join

us in trying to get the federal government to commit funding (inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair recognizes the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: I say to the hon. minister, he is on the wrong road. He is on

the wrong road all together. Route 516, Minister, is the road from the Goose Bay

intersection going into Cartwright, ninety kilometres of road, built and opened

in 2001, I say to the minister.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: I would like to ask him now: Why wasn't that

section of road

designated as part of the Trans-Canada Highway?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, the member asked the question about the road

from Goose Bay to Cartwright.

MS JONES: Goose Bay intersection to Cartwright.

MR. TAYLOR: Goose Bay intersection to -

MS JONES: (Inaudible) intersection is ninety kilometres (inaudible).

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, she is going to have to explain herself better

and maybe I can give her answer, because I am not sure -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. TAYLOR: In all fairness, I will try and give the member an answer. I

am just not clear as to the piece of highway that she is talking about, Mr.

Speaker, when she says from Goose Bay intersection into Cartwright.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. TAYLOR: Okay, I know the one you are talking about. I am sorry. I got

it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. TAYLOR: See? I try to give answers so I have to understand the

question.

Mr. Speaker, it is basically the same, as I understand it, as the piece of -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. TAYLOR: It is basically the same, Mr. Speaker, as the piece of

highway on the Northern Peninsula -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, if they want an answer, I would appreciate if

they would quiet down.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

A question has been asked by the hon. Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au

Clair. The minister is giving an answer. I ask members for their co-operation.

I ask the minister, if he has any concluding comments, if he could make them

rather quickly.

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I guess the best way to put it, Mr. Speaker, is that there is criteria

established that highways must be able to meet in order to be included in the

National Highway System, very much similar to the piece of Route 430 from St.

Barbe intersection to St. Anthony that is not included in the National Highway

System. It is not included because it is not a piece, as I understand it - this

is one of the criteria that had to be met - of an interprovincial road. It is

not an interprovincial link, as I understand it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MS JONES: Oh, I know, don't worry.

AN HON. MEMBER: She's been down that road before.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the minister: Is it true the

former minister, the Member for Lewisporte, traded off this

section of road,

516, to ensure that the

section of highway from Notre Dame Junction to the port

of Lewisporte was designated as part of the Trans-Canada Highway system?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I am certain - I am certain - that there is no trading off of

anything as it relates to roads. The bottom line is, the minister of the day

went into the negotiation with the sole objective of getting as much of the main

trunk roads, the interprovincial roads in this Province, as possible included in

the National Highway System so that we could qualify for 50-50 funding.

At the end of the day, Mr. Speaker, it really, in some respects, is

irrelevant because it comes down to how much money we get in cost-shared funding

from the federal government to enable us to spend on the Trans-Canada Highway,

the Northern Peninsula Highway and the Trans-Labrador Highway. That is

essentially where it is, Mr. Speaker.

Right now, there is no additional funding associated with the increased

kilometres that are now included in the national highway system, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, the

section of highway from Norte Dame junction to

the port in Lewisporte, I will say to the minister, was designated because it

was used as a bargaining chip for marine service into Labrador.

Now, I would like to know: Why was Route 516 from the highway to the Port of

Cartwright not designated, was it because the minister traded it off for the

road in his own district or was it because they never even put it on the table

for negotiation?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Maybe the member might want to ask her federal colleagues, her federal

counterparts, Mr. Speaker, why they would not accept more of these roads. If the

issue is 516 from the Goose Bay intersection into Cartwright, Mr. Speaker, maybe

she should ask her federal counterparts why they would not accept it. I am sure

that we would dearly love to have it included. The more road that we can get

under the national highway system, the better.

The fact of the matter is, Mr. Speaker, right now, as we speak, there is no

additional funding associated with this increase in kilometres. Right now, if we

want to do anything in Southern Labrador, in her district to upgrade the road

through L'Anse-au-Loup, for example, or the Northern Peninsula Highway from

Portland Creek to Parsons Pond, we have to fund it solely out of our provincial

roads budget, Mr. Speaker. That is why I asked her to call on her federal

colleagues to join us in 50-50 cost sharing.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, I say to the minister, he got the right road but

he still don't have the right information.

Let me tell him this. Mr. Speaker, the former Minister of Works, Services and

Transportation, the Member for Lewisporte, sat at a chamber dinner in Lewisporte,

just a few weeks ago, he said that the Premier knew he would take some abuse for

ignoring the recommendations in a report of Labrador marine services but he said

he did not care because he wanted to ensure that the business community in

Central Newfoundland benefited. Now, Mr. Speaker, we have a road designated in

his own district as part of the Trans-Canada Highway to service Labrador.

So, when will this government act on the transportation issues to benefit the

business community in Labrador for a change, I say to the minister?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I do not know what she is chasing. The bottom line is, no matter

what happened on the Lewisporte road, the fact of the matter is, if we want to

do anything with the Lewisporte road today, it has to come 100 per cent out of

the provincial roads budget. It cannot, will not, come out of 50-50 funding

because there is no 50-50 funding available for it.

The fact of the matter is, Mr. Speaker, no matter what roads - I do not care

what roads we get in the Province as long as we have enough of them designated

as part of the national highway system. That will, at the end of the day, free

up more of our provincial roads budget to do, for example, the road from

Cartwright out to the Goose Bay intersection. At the end of the day, that is

what is important. The volume of highway that is under the national highway

system and the amount of money associated with that and the amount of money that

is in the provincial roads budget is what is important at the end of the day,

and how it is spent and make sure it is spent wisely, unlike it was in the past.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

AN HON. MEMBER: Sit down (inaudible).

MR. JOYCE: I will not sit down. This is a serious issue here.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, we hear about the cruel and inhumane practice of

moving seniors with very little notice, if any, to other parts of the region.

Recommendation 172 of the Hay Report. Recommendations 170 and 171:

discontinuance of elective deliveries at Sir Thomas Roddick Hospital and

discontinuance of elective surgery requiring general or regional anaesthesia

were cancelled and announced by the minister for Stephenville here in this

House. The cost savings that was attached to these recommendations was $215,000.

The Member for Stephenville East made the announcement.

I ask the regional minister for Corner Brook, the Member for Humber East,

will you now stand up and be accounted and announce an end to this inhumane

treatment of our seniors?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, this government is very concerned about

health care in the Western Region of this Province.

Mr. Speaker, the problem that the hon. member complains about is the fact

that there are not enough long-term care beds in Corner Brook. That is because,

many years ago, that government did not listen to the advice given by the

long-term care committee and Mr. Israel Hann, that there was going to be a need

for long-term care beds in Corner Brook. If they had shown some vision and had

shown some leadership and had taken action, there would be long-term care beds

in Corner Brook today and there would be no problem today. So, we are building a

long-term care facility in Corner Brook. It is being built as we speak, along

with a new high school and along with the MRI.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Member for Bay of Islands.

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, I say to the minister once again, you have no

idea. There are two wings in that hospital not open. The Minister of Justice has

told people to give him until Friday to try to get this resolved. From his own

mouth, that is what he told people.

The moving of patients to another area was a direct result of surgeries and

elective deliveries being moved to Corner Brook from the Sir Thomas Roddick

Hospital. These recommendations were cancelled last year by the Member for

Stephenville East. Will the Minister of Justice admit that this move is nothing

more than a cost-saving directive, and will he now ensure that funds are made

available to keep these seniors near their spouses and families?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Mr. Speaker, the hon. member raises issues that have

been raised Monday and Tuesday of this week, and again Thursday. This is an

issue to protect the interests of patients. It is an issue of patients' safety

and patients' interests.

Again - and I repeat, because it is important that the hon. member understand

this - it is an important principle and concept in health care, and that is:

those individuals who require acute care, who require surgery, who require

emergent care, it is critical and essential that they get it, and that is why

Western Health has made the decision. As a government, as I indicated two days

ago, we support the decision of Western Health.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

MR. JOYCE: I thought I would never say it, but I have the say, the Member

for Stephenville East stood up for her people a lot less than the Member for

Humber East. I say congratulations, Minister.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. JOYCE: I ask the minister directly: Would the Minister of Justice and

the Member for Humber East now take a stand? You told people to wait until

Friday to see if you could get this matter resolved. It is time to be counted;

the seniors are depending on you.

Will the minister stand up for the people who elected you and announce a stop

to this cruel, unjust and inhumane policy that is continuing every day as we

speak?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, it is incredible that the hon. member would

get up in this House and tell people what I said to somebody else, that I would

do, and once again he has it wrong.

MR. JOYCE: Did you say it?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Once again, he has it wrong.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Time is passing.

The Chair recognizes the Minister of Justice and Attorney General.

MR. T. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, the hon. member said in this House, the day

before yesterday, that ten beds or eighteen beds had been closed by this

government when, in fact, they had been closed ten years ago by that government

over there.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Not only did he get that wrong; he said it was going to

take two or three years for a bed to become available for a woman who got moved

to Port aux Basques to take advantage of appropriate long-term care.

Mr. Speaker, a bed for a male resident became available yesterday, and this

lady and her family have been promised that as soon as a new bed for a female

resident becomes available in Corner Brook that woman will get first priority.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Education. I ask the minister: Who sits on

the joint Board of Directors at the College of the North Atlantic, Qatar Campus,

and could the names be provided to this House?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, there are three board members from the Board of

Directors who sit on the joint board, and they would be: Allan McKinnon, Andrea

Marshall and Al Gosse.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader, time for one quick

question.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Finance.

Minister, on December 7, the Public Utilities Board will deal with an issue

involving Newfoundland Power, who have $24 million in surplus as a result of a

tax settlement. I am wondering if the minister is going to intervene in this

application, in addition to the consumer advocate, to ensure that this money is

returned to the rate payers of this Province rather than stay in the company

coffers? That can help the electricity users in this Province offset their

increasing energy costs, as well as what the government is trying to do for the

oil burners.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader, time for a quick

response.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

A couple of quick points, Mr. Speaker.

This is an issue that the department is very much aware of. We are assessing

that right now. As the member knows, and all members should know, the PUB is a

sort of quasi-judicial process. Once that assessment is complete, whatever

action is appropriate as we decide from government's point of view, we will

take it. Once we make a decision on what that action is, we will be informing

not only the House but the people of the Province.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The time for Question Period has expired.

Presenting Reports by Standing and Select Committees.

Tabling of Documents.

Notices of Motion.

Notices of Motion

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs.

MR. J. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a

bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The City Of St. John's Act. (Bill 65)

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The Public Service Commission Act. (Bill 67)

I give notice that I will on tomorrow move that the House resolve itself into

Committee of the Whole on Supply to Consider Certain Resolutions Relating to the

Granting of Supplementary Supply to Her Majesty, Bill 68.

Further, Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow move that the

House resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole on Supply to Consider Certain

Resolutions Relating to the Granting of Supplementary Supply to Her Majesty,

Bill 69.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General.

MR. T. MARSHALL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The Tobacco Health Care Costs Recovery Act, Bill 66.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a bill entitled

An Act To Amend The Order Of Newfoundland And Labrador Act, Bill 70.

I further give notice, on behalf of my colleague, the Minister of Fisheries

and Aquaculture, that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a bill entitled

An Act To Amend The Fish Inspection Act, Bill 72.

Mr. Speaker, I give further notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to

introduce the following resolution:

WHEREAS, in accordance with

Section 3 of the Citizen's Representative Act,

the Lieutenant-Governor in Council, on a Resolution of this House of Assembly,

by Order in Council dated December 14, 2001, appointed Mr. Fraser March to the

office of Citizen's Representative, and

WHEREAS the Citizens' Representative, Fraser March, has, in accordance

with subsection 7(1) of the Citizens' Representative Act been suspended as the

Citizens' Representative, and

WHEREAS

section 6 of the Citizens' Representative Act provides that the

Lieutenant-Governor in Council may, on a Resolution of this House of Assembly,

for cause remove the Citizens' Representative; and

WHEREAS there is cause to remove Mr. March from the office of Citizens'

Representative;

THEREFORE

BE IT RESOLVED by this House of Assembly that Fraser March be

removed from the office of Citizens' Representative.

MR. SPEAKER: Further Notices of Motion. Answers to Questions for which

Notice has been Given. Petitions.

Petitions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to present a petition on behalf of the residents of my district

as it relates to the community of Williams Harbour.

Mr. Speaker, I say to the Minister of Transportation and Works, this is a

road that is not yet built, and that is why I am standing here on a petition

today.

The community of Williams Harbour, Mr. Speaker, is only twenty-two to

twenty-three kilometers from the main highway in Labrador. These people have

been lobbying for a road connection for the last number of years. In fact, in

2003 there was a commitment from the government to build this

section of road,

Mr. Speaker, to the extent that all the engineering work was completed, all the

routing was completed, and it was registered and looked at under an

environmental assessment. Mr. Speaker, the only thing left to do was to tender

and build the road into this community. Unfortunately, when the new government

took office in the fall of 2003 they put this

section of road on hold and

evidently, six months later, cancelled it altogether.

Well, Mr. Speaker, it is still a priority for the people of this community.

In fact, they live in an isolated region. They have to travel outside of their

community for postal services, for medical services, for all transportation

access and, Mr. Speaker, it is unfair and unreasonable that they would be left

without any road connection at this stage.

In fact, Mr. Speaker, the previous Minister of Transportation once said to me

that you cannot build roads where it is not economically feasible to do so.

Well, Mr. Speaker, I thought it was the lamest, most pitiful excuse I had ever

heard in my life, because if you were to go around this Province of Newfoundland

and Labrador, from one end to the other, there are very few sections of road

that was ever feasible to build, or economically feasible. Most of the roads

that were built in Newfoundland and Labrador, were built to improve the quality

of life for the people who lived in certain areas, and in particular,

communities. That is all we are asking for in this case.

Mr. Speaker, Williams Harbour is now designated - Gilbert Bay, right adjacent

to it - as a marine protected area; one of only four marine protected areas in

all of our country. It is a haven for the scientific and biological community

that looks at fish habitat, especially as it relates to codfish. It will be

world renown right throughout the North Atlantic rim as an area for research and

study. It is important, Mr. Speaker, that we be able to open up this area, not

just for the people who live in the region but also to those people, the

academics and the science community who want to access this renown site and be

able to research and do work there.

In addition to that, Mr. Speaker, I know the people who live in this

community. I have known them for a very long time and it always makes me

heartfelt, Mr. Speaker, when I know in the spring of the year, when this

community is going through an ice breakup and how dangerous it is to travel over

the ice to access these services. In fact, two of my good friends, last year

went through the ice coming out of the community of Williams Harbour. They were

so lucky that they even survived that accident. This will give you an idea of

how distressful -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time for her petition has expired.

MS JONES: By leave, (inaudible) just to clue up.

MR. SPEAKER: By leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave is granted to make some concluding comments.

MS JONES: Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, it was actually a miracle that they survived this accident of

going through the ice. We have had a number of people, some who were not as

successful, I say to hon. members, who actually lost their lives in that area. I

think it is time for government to seriously have a look at this, and not look

at it based on the economic viability of it but look at it on the basis of

providing a quality of life and access to another community in our Province that

can be done, I say, at a very fair and reasonable cost. I would like to submit

this petition to the government on their behalf.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further petitions?

Orders of the Day.

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We will begin with Order 7, the continuing debate on second reading of a

bill,

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, 2000 No2. (Bill 48)

MR. SPEAKER: Order 7, Bill 48,

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, 2000

No 2. I do believe that at the end of the last day the hon. the Member for

Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair was standing in the House at that time.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: In fairness, if the minister speaks he closes the debate. I

do remember that the hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair was

standing when the House adjourned for the afternoon.

The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is a pleasure for me to rise and speak to the bill on Income Trust.

Unfortunately, I was going to rise on the last day of the House, but I think we

were concluding our debate for that day.

Mr. Speaker, a couple of issues that I wanted to talk about. Actually, it was

in response to some issues that were raised by my colleague, the Member for Lake

Melville, on that particular day.

Mr. Speaker, let me just say that in Labrador there is no secret. There has

been a great deal of frustration as it relates to government and as it relates

to government services. The people in that area, the only thing that they were

asking for was to have fair investment and fair consideration given to their

issues.

Well, Mr. Speaker, let's take a look at the Lower Churchill development

project because I think that is probably one of the largest developments to have

occurred in Labrador in some time and it is probably, hopefully, not the last

large development but in terms of the energy sector, it is very substantial. Mr.

Speaker, whenever you are looking at over 3,000 megawatts of power for

development to be exported into the North American market, it cannot be done and

should not be done without ensuring that there is a power availability to all

the communities in that particular region.

Mr. Speaker, my district is one of the regions in Labrador right now that is

going without the full availability of power; and, in addition to that, they do

not have affordable power. They pay the highest price for electricity than

almost anywhere in this country, I say to hon. members, and that is unfortunate.

So, whenever we talk about developing hydro development power in this Province,

and we talk about being a Province of the country that could be the largest

broker of power into the North America market, Mr. Speaker, we have to do it in

the context of ensuring that the communities and the people in the Labrador

region are going to be looked after and they are going to be protected.

Mr. Speaker, we had a public session in Goose Bay with the Premier and the

Minister of Natural Resources and others just a few weeks ago, and I was really

proud of the people of Labrador who went to the microphone that evening, because

- do you know something? - they did not go there to play politics. They went

there because they were desperately seeking inclusion in a major development

project in their territory. They went there because they want to see

improvements in infrastructure in their communities and they were willing to

give their input, to be logical and sensible in putting forward their ideas. Mr.

Speaker, I was really proud of them. I thought they had gotten their message

out, and they had gotten it out loud and clear.

We will have to see what transpires on this particular issue, and I think we

will have to watch very closely to see how the Aboriginal people of Labrador are

going to be included in all of this, especially the Metis people who, as you

know, comprise a large portion of my district. Mr. Speaker, they feel they have

a very legitimate right and a legitimate claim in this area where the hydro

development project is being proposed. Therefore, they feel they have a right to

be included in meaningful dialogue with the government. I can only say to the

government and to the minister, I hope they will be included in meaningful

dialogue and I hope their issues and their ideas and their proposals will be

given full consideration as this particular development transpires and

discussions move forward.

Mr. Speaker, I also want to talk about the good news announcement last week.

My federal colleague, the Member of Parliament for Labrador, was in Goose Bay

last week with some good news announcements, and I know that a lot of people,

including the media, sometimes, will say that all of this is just because there

is an election on the horizon. Well, I beg to differ, because what I saw last

week was a substantial investment into the long-term viability of Happy

Valley-Goose Bay.

I listened to the Member for Lake Melville speak a few days ago, and he did

not speak with much optimism over the investments that were going into his

district, which actually surprised me. What I will say is this: he got up and

talked about how the government had been active on the 5 Wing file. Well, I

think differently. The only thing I saw coming out of the government opposite

when it came to 5 Wing Goose Bay was the fact that they travelled over to

Germany, across Europe, met with a bunch of commanders of the military forces,

and talked to some of the people who were involved with international affairs.

Now, did that transpire into hundreds of millions of dollars in investments for

the base at Goose Bay? Absolutely not.

Only a few days ago, right before the announcement, I heard the member when

he stood up and said he was going to keep the federal MPs feet to the fire on 5

Wing Goose Bay. There is nothing wrong with that, but when there is an issue

like this, with a substantial announcement, with substantial investment, well,

don't be looking at the doom and gloom around it, I say to the hon. member,

just because it did not come from your government or your side of the House. In

fact, what happened was that there was a five-year renewal agreement on the base

in Happy Valley-Goose Bay. It was an opportunity to bring the allied countries

back into full operation at 5 Wing Goose Bay - the Germans, the Italians, the

British - and to be able to go out and market it. There was a $5 million

marketing program.

I say to the members opposite, in fact, if you really want to do something

for 5 Wing Goose Bay, you would have put a marketing program in place two years

ago. Two years ago there would have been a provincial marketing arm at $5

million up there, to be able to go out and promote and sell the services of the

base, but that did not happen. It was the jolly rancher trip to Europe, and that

was the end of it.

Mr. Speaker, there is a marketing division that is going to be created, and

these people will go out and solicit not just foreign military operations for

the base but also other uses for that particular base.

In addition to that, there was $30 million of new investments for (inaudible)

and other equipment at the base. There was a $20 million economic development

fund.

I would like to say this because the Minister of Natural Resources, twice in

the last week, stood up and quoted some comments that I made on VOCM with regard

to the Abitibi mill in Stephenville. Well, Mr. Speaker, do you know what made me

so upset about the proposed agreement with Abitibi? Not because the people in

Stephenville were going to get a $15 million investment a year to keep an

economic activity going in their community. What upset me, Mr. Speaker, was that

I live in a region where there is a base like there is in Goose Bay, where I

watch 1,000 people, almost, exit the community because of job loss, without any

investment from the government opposite, without any millions of dollars a year

to keep that economic base going. That was what I was upset about. I was upset

because I had a district with over 400 fishery-related workers this year put out

of work the end of June, with what? Not even a frivolous comment from the

Minister of Fisheries, I say to members opposite. It went completely unnoticed,

unacknowledged -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS JONES: The only reason it was unacknowledged, Mr. Speaker -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS JONES: - was simply because to acknowledge it meant you had to deal

with it, I say to the hon. members. That was the only reason.

Mr. Speaker, that is the reason I was upset - upset because I had over 400

people out of work in my district, hunting around for jobs, trying to grab on to

whatever they could get to keep their families and to keep their homes going -

but nobody came into my district and said: Here are millions of dollars. Go and

prop up the workforce. Go and save the industry.

That was the reason I was upset. If the hon. minister, when he stands up,

wants to misinterpret my comments as being non-supportive of an offer to Abitibi

in Stephenville, well, he can interpret it that way. All I am saying is, if the

shoe fits one it should fit all the people in the Province. If one can wear it,

everybody should wear it, I am saying to you. If there are 1,000 jobs going in

one community, or 500 or 400, they are as important as the jobs that are going

to be lost in another community.

Mr. Speaker, it was the federal Liberal government under Prime Minister

Martin that gave the new lease on life to 5 Wing Goose Bay, not the members

opposite, not the Premier who was all over the file two years ago and did

absolutely nothing. It was the federal Liberal government that came in at the

end of the day and put the money in to prop up the base in Goose Bay.

Mr. Speaker, in addition to that, there were other announcements, and one of

those I want to talk about. Well, actually, I am going to talk about two of

them. One of them I want to talk about was the $96 million investment into the

Canadian Coast Guard, the Coast Guard presence in Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, I met this morning, along with a delegation from my district,

with the Canadian Coast Guard. That is a good investment in Labrador. It will

involve transferring surveillance services to a Labrador based operation through

air surveillance. It will also include refitting a coastguard ship to be based

in Labrador come this spring. In addition to that, Mr. Speaker, this initiative

will create seventy new jobs in the Labrador region. To me, that is more jobs

that I have seen created by this government opposite in the whole Province in

the last two years. Let me point that out, Mr. Speaker: Seventy jobs being

created as part of this one initiative, and Labradorians, they assured us this

morning, would be given priority for those particular jobs in that particular

region. In addition to that, Mr. Speaker, there will be eight new conservation

and protection officers through the Department of Fisheries and Oceans that is

going to be based there.

All I can say, Mr. Speaker, is thank God the federal Liberal government is

investing in these rural areas of our Province, because the government opposite

is certainly not doing so. In fact, all I have seen in my district has been

services disappearing, HRE offices closing, transportation workers laid off -

that is what I have been seeing, Mr. Speaker - and fish plants workers displaced

with no compensation programs. That is the kind of stuff I have seen, seeing

marine services taken out of my own district and put into Lewisporte to service

Labrador. Those were the kinds of initiatives I saw by the government opposite.

When my colleague from Labrador stands in the House and pats himself on the

back for all the great things they are doing, he needs to back it up with some

information, because I guarantee you, I have not seen it. In fact, Mr. Speaker,

I have seen the tourism industry decline by over 40 per cent, I have seen retail

sales in my district down, I have seen profitable businesses become

non-profitable, I say to the members opposite, and I have seen a real slowing of

the economy, simply because of changes in tourism, in the fishery and in the

forestry development sectors.

How do we change that, Mr. Speaker? We want to change that, we want to change

it around, we want to see it grow, we want to see industry created, we want to

see people working. Do you know something, Mr. Speaker? The only way that can

happen is if there is a will of the provincial government to make it happen.

We talked about roads today. Now, the minister didn't get the road right,

but I think he figured it out after. The reality is, Mr. Speaker, if the

highways to these communities are not designated as part of the Trans-Canada

Highway system, then you cannot even apply for the money, you cannot even make

an application to get the money to upgrade and pave these particular roads. The

real initiative, I say, has to come from the government of the Province, and if

they are not prepared and they do not have the will to ensure the survival of

these communities, to ensure that they are economically viable, that they can

grow, that they can build industry, then, Mr. Speaker, it cannot happen. It

cannot happen.

Mr. Speaker, I have to say, there is a willingness on the part of some

members within the government to do the best that they can, and I will

acknowledge that. I will stand and acknowledge that, that there are some

ministers on that side of the House who will go above and beyond to do what they

can to help a community, to help a region. But, Mr. Speaker, they are not all

like that. I have been evidence of it. I have been on the receiving end of it,

Mr. Speaker, when the previous Minister of Transportation hauled the ferries

right out of my district and docked them in his own, and taking with them

millions of dollars in retail sales and millions of dollars in business

opportunity. I was on the receiving end of it, Mr. Speaker, and that is the

reason that I can't stand here today and say that I have the confidence and

the faith in all of them to do the right thing. I know that there are some of

them who are prepared. I know that there are some of them who are prepared to

work. But, Mr. Speaker, it is the tactics that they sometimes choose and the way

in which they choose to do it.

I want to talk a little bit about this letter that the Premier sent off to

the federal government; sent a copy to all the ministers up in Ottawa the first

day of the election. Now, Mr. Speaker, the issues that are contained in this

letter are the issues that are of the utmost importance to people in our

Province. They are ones that have been on their priority list for months and

months and months. When does the Premier send the letter off to Ottawa looking

for all the deals? The first day of the election. The first day a federal

election is called he walks in and says: Here is my list, now what are you going

to give me? Well, Mr. Premier, you should know by now that on the first day of

an election the government is dissolved. The government is dissolved. They

cannot give you anything. They cannot give you anything, Mr. Premier. Why weren't

you at the table seventeen months ago? Why weren't you at the table seventeen

months ago on these issues?

Look at this one: "Does your party support the efforts to develop the

hydro-power resources of the Lower Churchill River System...". Mr. Speaker,

it was over a year ago that the government opposite went out for a proposal call

for interested parties to develop the Lower Churchill project but it took them a

year later to put it on a wish list to the federal government. A year later they

get it on a wish list to the federal government, a year after they went out and

looked for proposals to develop it.

Months after, Mr. Speaker, the government went into Prince Edward Island and

invested $40 million into a wind generation project in P.E.I., only a few weeks

ago. I would say that is a little bit late in the game for that one. Maybe when

Martin forms the government again, then I am sure he will sit down and talk

about the Lower Churchill, but it should have been done a long time ago. It

should have been on the table a long time ago.

He has the foreign military presence on the base in Goose Bay. What he did

not realize, I guess, was they announced the money for it last week. He must

have forgotten they had announced the money for it last week to do the base in

Goose Bay because they put it in his letter.

Let's talk about the fisheries issues that he put in his letter, Mr.

Speaker. Let's talk about the fisheries issues; the early retirement program.

Mr. Speaker, we have been raising the early retirement program for fishery

workers in this Province in the House of Assembly for the past two years. Mr.

Speaker, for the past two years - more than that now - we have been asking the

government opposite: Go to the feds. Put a proposal on the table for an early

retirement program for our fishery workers in Newfoundland and Labrador. Well,

do you know when the first piece of written correspondence arrived in Minister

Geoff Regan's office looking for a retirement program? Friday. No, or was it

Monday morning? He got it on Monday, but it might have arrived on Friday

evening. But, Mr. Speaker, he was into a federal election. When the first piece

of correspondence for a fisheries retirement package for fishery workers in

Newfoundland and Labrador landed on the federal minister's office was this

letter from the Premier a couple of days ago, with no detail, four lines - no,

actually, two-and-a-half lines requesting an early retirement program.

Well, Mr. Speaker, where were they the last seventeen months? Why didn't

they have a proposal, and a comprehensive proposal on the table of the federal

government and the federal Fisheries Minister eighteen months ago saying we want

to have an early retirement program for fishery workers in our Province? I say,

Mr. Speaker, it is too little, it is too late. How do they expect to negotiate a

retirement program in the middle of a federal election when the government, in

essence, is collapsed and there is no governing party in power at the present

time? How do they expect to get a deal negotiated?

Mr. Speaker, I know my time is almost up, and I want to talk about custodial

management of the fishery right before I sit down. The custodial management of

the fishery has been a priority in this Province for years and years and years.

In fact, when I was the minister, it was our number one priority. Members

opposite sat on the committee that went to Ottawa to lobby for custodial

management of the fisheries in Newfoundland and Labrador. We went collectively,

united. My colleagues in the NDP were part of it. What happens? They get an

office, they take power, and what happens? They sell out on custodial

management.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time has expired.

MS JONES: By leave, just to clue up, Mr. Speaker?

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been requested.

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MS JONES: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I will make this very brief.

In my mind, back over a year ago, the provincial government sold out on

custodial management. When they were prepared to accept the measures that the

federal government was putting in place to curb the offshore fishing issue, Mr.

Speaker, that was the day they caved in. They should have stuck to their guns.

They should have played hardball, because I really do believe that custodial

management is the answer for fishery development in our Province, not only today

but for the future.

On that note, I am going to conclude my comments.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to speak to this bill, but I guess I really want to speak to

what transpired here in the House in Question Period, and this whole idea of the

government seeming to be quite accepting of what is happening with FPI and those

communities in rural Newfoundland and Labrador that rely on FPI in terms of

employment opportunities, just as a company in a small town makes a difference

to the economic base of that community.

Mr. Speaker, it is clear, having listened to the answers given by the Acting

Minister of Fisheries, or the Minister of Transportation, of course, who is now

the alternate for the Minister of Fisheries, that they seem to be quite content

with what FPI is doing, and that is what is so sad about this entire situation.

While he stands and says, you know, we are going to hold the feet of FPI to the

fire to make sure that they live up to their commitments that they were given in

exchange for the establishment of an income trust, the reality of the situation

is that there is no income trust. We wonder if FPI will ever proceed with an

income trust, given where they are today, and the fact of the matter that they

are meeting with communities like Fortune, in particular, and telling them that

no, they are not going to proceed with the plans that they committed to in

exchange for an income trust. Now, how the minister can stand and say he is not

aware of that, or he does not know that, is mind-boggling, because you would

think, given the importance of this issue to rural Newfoundland and Labrador,

that the government would be watching very closely what is transpiring within

FPI - the whole idea behind this internal review, and what we can expect to come

out of that internal review.

I know, without a doubt, having spoken to the Mayor of Fortune, Alec

Noseworthy, the comments that were made in that meeting yesterday to the

Concerned Citizens Committee left them without a doubt with the understanding

that FPI - not only will they not be putting a secondary processing plant in

Fortune - they would not be continuing with any plant in Fortune.

The unfortunate thing about that, of course, is that there are several

communities that depend on that fish plant. So, it is not just the community of

Fortune. You are talking at least half a dozen other communities. The people who

work at that fish plant, and the communities where these people live, are really

in shock today. They are reeling from the news that there is no future for them

based on the information that came from FPI officials yesterday.

Now, I know there was some discrepancy because, after, it was said that the

union actually went and met with FPI, and FPI said: No, no, we did not say that.

We did not indicate that at all. We said everything was still under review; that

no decision had been made.

I heard the Minister of Fisheries say that he had met with FPI and they had

told him the same thing. Now, I do not know what happened. I do not know if FPI

misspoke. I did not know if they realized after they had said that to the

Concerned Citizens Committee that: Oh, wait a minute, we probably should not

have said that. It is a little too early to unveil our true plans for

Newfoundland and Labrador. Let's try and reel that back in now. We will tell

the union what they want to hear, because that way we will not have them out

saying there is something wrong with this picture. We will tell the Minister of

Fisheries, who is talking to us on behalf of the government, what they want to

hear, because we are not ready yet to unveil to the people of the Province what

is, in fact, going to come out of our internal review.

It would lead one to believe, watching all of this unfold yesterday, that FPI's

master plan is clearly to get out of the groundfish fishery which, of course,

the former CEO, Derrick Rowe, said a year ago, but it also means they are not

going to live up to the commitments that they gave.

Maybe they do not want an income trust any more. Maybe they are not even

going to move forward with an income trust. Maybe the criteria that the federal

government has attached to an FPI trust does make it attractive to them any

more. Maybe they never intended to run with an income trust. Who knows? All I

know is that the message that is coming out of FPI, whether they intended to

deliver that message or not, is that there is no future in Fortune for the

people there. That, in fact, FPI does not intend to have a presence in Fortune,

and that means hundreds of people are going to be out of work, hundreds of

families affected, and they are wondering today where they are going to turn and

who is telling the truth.

Now, I know Mayor Alex Noseworthy, and I know he did not make up the answer

that he gave last night when he spoke on the Open Line show. I talked to him

after that. He also tells me that three of the four who were at that meeting had

the same understanding when they left the meeting. The fact that FPI even said

that they are quite willing to entertain a proposal if anyone is interested in

buying the plant, would lead one to believe that it is all part and parcel of

the larger plan. Why would FPI say that if, in fact, they were going to proceed

with a secondary processing plant in Fortune? It does not make sense. So, for

them to turn around and say to the union: No, that is not what we meant. I do

not know if they think people are not listening or if they can just ride

roughshod over people, like they are obviously doing with this government who is

not holding them accountable.

Today I asked the alternate minister to get this government to commit, that

before proclaiming the amendments to the FPI Act, that we all voted on here in

June - and I was one who voted for the Income Trust, but I did so because it

meant a future for the people in my district. Now, what I have asked the

minister is - with the government - to bring that back to the House of Assembly.

Before the government does anything further with respect to the Income Trust,

with respect to proclaiming the amendments, what I have asked is that you bring

it back to the House of Assembly.

Now, certainly heavens, the members opposite understand that. When they were

in Opposition, no matter what the issue was, if it was Voisey's Bay, bring it

to the House of Assembly. Let us debate it. Let us discuss it. That is what I am

saying now, and I am saying it because I do not trust the government on this

file. It is another file that the Premier has said he is all over it, and we

know what happens to the files if the Premier is all over it. They usually do

not succeed, and that this one is one that I am fearful we are going to find

that FPI is going to again be able to walk away and leave communities in

distress, that there are not going to be employment opportunities for people in

those communities where FPI traditionally have had fish plants. I have asked the

government, bring it back to the House of Assembly. You say that you are looking

at it, you are trying to make sure that FPI understands exactly what it is that

is expected of them and you are making sure all the I's are dotted and the T's

are crossed before you finalize the whole issue around Income Trust.

Well, I am asking again, contrary to what the minister - when he stood up and

obviously was not listening to the question when he said: We are going to make

sure that FPI lives up to its commitments with respect to an Income Trust or we

will not approve the Income Trust. Well, minister, I am asking you, bring it

back to the House of Assembly so we can all look at this and make sure, at the

end of the day, we are all comfortable that FPI will do what is in the best

interest of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, because I can tell you, as the

result of what happened yesterday, I have no level of confidence at all, no

level of comfort that FPI is interested in doing what is in the best interest of

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

I am saying it again, bring it back to the House of Assembly. You brought it

here in June. Now, we had to request a free vote on the matter and we all had

that free vote. I am not sure how free it was or exactly what transpired on that

day. Some will suggest it was all a scam, given the way some people voted in

this House of Assembly and given the fact that, of course, when I introduced a

private member's motion calling on the government to conduct a public inquiry

into the management and operations of FPI, that those members who voted at the

time along with members of the Opposition, with the exception of myself, that

those members on the government side who voted against the Income Trust did not

stand with us in the Opposition and support a pubic inquiry into the operations

and management of FPI. That raises a whole new set of questions. Why, if they

did not believe the Income Trust was the right thing to do and that what FPI was

proposing around the Income Trust, they had questions with all of that, why then

didn't they stand with the Opposition and request, and support the request,

for an inquiry into the operations and management of FPI?

There is something not right about what is going on here; whether it is

something that the government is doing working with FPI, or whether FPI is just

taking advantage and riding roughshod over the government and the government is

allowing it to happen. I am not sure what is going down here but I can tell you,

there is something going down here that is not right. The unfortunate thing

about all of this is that it is the people of Newfoundland who are being

adversely affected, the very people who made it possible for FPI to exist, for

FPI to exist as a viable company; and, by the way, it is a viable company. FPI

is making money, maybe not as much money as they would like to make, or their

shareholders would like for them to make. I often ask: How much wealth is enough

for shareholders?

There is nothing wrong with profit - profit is not a dirty word - but, how

much profit and to whose detriment? I think that is the question we have here

today. We need that public inquiry. We need to know exactly what it is that FPI,

under this management, is doing; because, whatever they are doing under this

management and this board of directors is adversely affecting the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador.

FPI was created by taxpayers' dollars, and it was a good investment. It

brought together struggling fish companies and we ended up with FPI. It meant

that there were employment opportunities in Newfoundland and Labrador, for

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians. It was their money, and so it should be that

way. The problem is that this company, this board of directors, seems to have

lost sight of the very reason that FPI was created. Maybe they do not care.

Maybe they see that as history, and that history is not important, and they are

not going to bother to adhere to the type of policies that FPI practiced and

enforced when it was first created.

Maybe they decided that the promises and the commitments they gave when they

wanted to take over FPI - and I recall very vividly having the discussion at a

Cabinet committee meeting, a discussion with some of the members who wanted to

be members of the Board of Directors of FPI - their plan was to grow the

company, create more employment opportunities, and we were never going to have

to look back. We were going to be very proud of what transpired.

Look where we are today. We have a former CEO who said they were getting out

of the groundfish industry; there would be no groundfish plants in Newfoundland

and Labrador. What does that say about Marystown? Apart from Fortune - we know

Fortune is closed; they said no groundfish in Fortune, and now they have said no

secondary processing - what about Marystown? If we are to believe what Derrick

Rowe said, there will not be a groundfish plant in Marystown. What about

Bonavista? What about this commitment, this promise, to build a new plant in

Bonavista? Now, I know a group from Bonavista met with the officials at FPI. Did

they forget to tell them that they were not going to make the investment, that

there would not be a new plant built in Bonavista?

I am curious as to how all of this unfolded yesterday, how the officials who

were there with the Concerned Citizens Committee of Fortune managed to let it

slip somehow. Maybe the people from Fortune who were there asked the right

questions. Maybe it was the questions they asked that got the right answers,

answers later that the company tried to retract from when they met with the

union.

Again, maybe they told the union what they wanted to hear. Maybe FPI is not

ready to deal with more flak because, you know, there will be more flak coming

out of an internal review. You know and I know that internal review will result

in fewer fish plants and fewer jobs in Newfoundland and Labrador. Maybe that was

the plan all along. Maybe we were all led down the garden path. Maybe, because

we wanted to believe so badly in a future for rural Newfoundland and Labrador,

we wanted to believe the new members of the Board of Directors of FPI were, in

fact, going to ensure that the communities in which they exist will continue to

flourish. Of course we wanted to believe that. That is the future of

Newfoundland and Labrador. The fishing industry has been the industry of choice,

the mainstay, particularly of rural Newfoundland and Labrador. So, why is it

that, while other companies are doing well, some even expanding - some of the

fishing companies doing well and some even expanding - why is it that FPI finds

itself in the situation that it is, or says it is? Why is it that, when you come

into a company and there is about a $75 million debt there, all of a sudden that

grows to close to $300 million? Poor investments? Poor decisions? Isn't that

enough to warrant a public inquiry into a company that the government still has

some influence over, if it wishes to exercise it?

It is not a private sector company like most other fishing companies. It was

created to have a social conscience; and, because we have a piece of legislation

that governs FPI, that says it all in terms of what is expected of FPI by the

people of this Province and by the government of this Province. What this

government has to do is hold FPI accountable, and they have yet to do that. They

have yet to do that!

For the company to let slip yesterday, in a conversation with the Concerned

Citizens Committee of Fortune, that they will not be proceeding with a secondary

processing plant in Fortune, isn't that enough for this government to say:

Well, hold on a second now, there is something not right about this? That wasn't

the plan, that wasn't what FPI said when it wanted the income trust created,

that wasn't what FPI said when they wanted to loosen the strings, as it were,

so that government wouldn't have as much authority over the company. I am sure

they would like to be let loose totally to do their thing, but their thing,

unfortunately, is going to cause hardship for many Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians, and you are going to see communities fall by the wayside as a

result of decisions being taken by FPI.

I know, in my own district - you know, if you have a small community and you

have half a dozen, ten, a dozen people, working earning a good living at FPI,

they contribute to the survival of that community, they spend their money in

that community. When that employment opportunity is taken away these people are

left with no choice but to leave the Province, and when they do that they leave

the communities, they take their families with them, because they have to build

a future for themselves and their families elsewhere.

I ask the question again: What is going on here? What is FPI up to? Why isn't

the government more concerned about this? I listened to the minister today and

he didn't seem at all concerned with what has been said: The only thing we

know is what we have been told and that is no decisions have been made. We need

to await the outcome of the internal review and then we will make our decisions

about what we are going to do. Isn't that a little like closing the gate after

the horse has left the barn. Too little, too late, I say to the government. Now

is the time.

When FPI does the type of thing it did yesterday, that should somehow make

the hair on the back of your neck stand up. That should make you second-guess

the kind of action you have been taking with respect to FPI. That should make

you question what it is FPI is doing. Because I believe that what happened

yesterday in that meeting with FPI officials and the Concerned Citizens

Committee of Fortune was not meant to happen. It was too early, too soon,

because FPI is not ready yet to unveil what is going to be in their internal

review.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's allotted time has expired.

MS FOOTE: By leave, Mr. Speaker?

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been requested.

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MS FOOTE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Again I am calling on the government to acknowledge what is going down here.

Bring FPI back in, tell them you are not going to agree with what is happening

here, be satisfied with the profit you are making, and recognize that your main

shareholders are the employees, the Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, who made

it possible for you to be where you are today, made it possible for this company

to exist. Call them in, tell them that in terms of the income trust and the

amendments to the FPI Act, you are not going to approve them, you will bring it

back to the House of Assembly first, if you think that is reasonable and

something that we should all discuss, and if it is not, that you are not going

to approve them, and FPI must continue to operate in Newfoundland and Labrador

to the benefit of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I want to thank you for the opportunity to take just a few moments to speak

to Bill 48, and, I guess, touch on a couple of issues that are of major concern

to me. Before I get into the main reason for my standing on this bill, it seems

like even yesterday, when I was listening to hon. members opposite speaking with

regard to this bill, they seem to take a bit of time to refer to the Premier's

letter that was written on November 28.

There are a couple of issues I just want to touch on, Mr. Speaker, one of

them being the custodial management. I know that is an issue that has been

ongoing for quite some time in this hon. House and it goes back for many numbers

of years. I remember first being elected here and my first private member's

motion was on custodial management. I remember the hon. Member for Bonavista

South looking over at me across the way at that time, when he was in Opposition,

saying: Yes, it is a good motion, but that has been brought up here so often now

nobody seems to be listening to it. It was carried unanimously, I have to say,

at that time.

What amazes me with the motion, Mr. Speaker, is this - and I may be corrected

in saying what I am going to say here now, but when it comes to custodial

management I think just about everybody who has been involved on the provincial

scene are in agreement with this, even the people on the federal level, whether

it be the Prime Minister. I have heard the ministers of fisheries from time to

time. Everybody is in agreement with it, but nobody seems to be able to move it

forward. Personally, I cannot believe that it is in this letter here today,

because after going into the third year of the mandate now - and I know the

Premier put quite a bit of time into this and went to European countries and so

on to deal with it. Now all of a sudden, we see a letter where you are asking

the Prime Minister what is his stand on it. It seems as if that should have been

dealt with prior to the call of the election. As some hon. member said earlier,

now there is no government in office at this day.

He goes on to say, under the same heading: How does your party feel about the

Canada-Newfoundland and Labrador Cod Recovery Strategy and not through the

listing of the cod as a species at risk. This letter was written on November 28,

and I think the hon. Minister of Fisheries, federally, had announced that cod

had been taken off of the list as an endangered species.

We go to another issue with Marine Atlantic and the concerns are expressed,

and rightly so, in the letter, that: I cannot believe that we are into the third

year of a mandate and we are asking the federal government to improve their

services to this Province as a link with regard to if it is similar to being a

highway across the Gulf.

I have to say, usually once a year I get the opportunity to travel to other

provinces and use the ferry service, and I have to say, the numbers of people

who are traveling that route have decreased. We were on the boat this past

summer and I would venture to say you would be able to take them in a very small

boat, who was on that one, when she could take a lot more passengers. To know

that the Premier now is only asking the leaders of the various parties for their

commitment to see that this is resolved in the best interests of the people of

this Province, I think is a little too late.

Mr. Speaker, the other thing I want to touch on - and I want to make it very

clear when I make those comments that I am going to make. We have heard the

questions back and forth in this hon. House over the last couple of weeks

pertaining to the conditions of our highways in the Province. The comments I am

going to make - I am not laying blame on anybody. I am not accusing the minister

or anyone else of anything. Mr. Speaker, what I want to say now are the facts

that have been presented to me by the people who drive those highway trucks, the

people who repair the highway trucks, and I can assure you they have major

concerns.

We have heard the debate back and forth about the depots, the thirteen that

closed, and I guess the debate can go on, on whether that had any affect on the

trucks not being ready this year. Maybe it did not, Mr. Speaker, but I can

assure you one thing, the people who were laid off, many of them had to leave

this Province and go outside for work this past summer. If they were outside

this Province they were not doing any maintenance work or anything else with our

roads.

Mr. Speaker, we heard the questions asked with regard to the conditions of

the highways back two or three weeks ago when unfortunate incidents happened.

Mr. Speaker, we heard the replies back from the minister and the former Minister

of Transportation, saying that the trucks went out on the road and they were

okay and so on. Mr. Speaker, I want to make it very clear, yes, there were

trucks that went out on the road - as a matter of fact, one highway truck left

Whitbourne that traveled half way out the Argentia highway and did the road and

came back. The other truck did not leave Placentia to come the other distance

for the very simple reason that truck was in the garage and in needs of major

repairs. The other incident, Mr. Speaker, an accident that happened over in

Central Newfoundland, the same thing, after the accident the truck was not in

condition and the mechanics had to travel to Bay Robert's on a Sunday morning

to go to the shop to get the parts for that truck, Mr. Speaker.

We are having wonderful weather and I hope it keeps up until all the trucks

are repaired and in condition to go on the highway, because, Mr. Speaker, if we

had a major storm today, I do not want to see it happen but I can assure you,

Sir, we are in hard shape when it comes to clearing our roads. I will give you

an example: In Bay Robert's last year, to do the highways they have to cover,

they had eight trucks that would be on the highway. Right now, if there was a

storm tonight, they have three trucks to put out on the highway. Avondale had

anywhere from six to eight trucks. They have three trucks to go on the highway,

two for the TCH and one for all the Conception Bay highway and the side roads.

Placentia, as we speak - and that was one of the depots that was in question -

Placentia, as of yesterday, had one truck and that was on loan from the depot in

Bay Robert's. Their trucks were down totally. Mr. Speaker, I have been told

that the bays at the depot in Bay Robert's are full to capacity with the

trucks and there are six or seven out in the yard lined up waiting for repairs.

Mr. Speaker, I know the minister, or the acting minister, yesterday, or the

day before, mentioned it when it came to the mechanics. The question was asked -

with overtime. I think it was the acting minister who mentioned that overtime is

never refused. Well, I can assure you, the mechanics are not working overtime.

The parts are there. They are available and we have those numbers of trucks that

still have to be repaired and not available to go on the highways, Mr. Speaker.

The other thing I want to just touch on is the maintenance throughout the

summer. I think it had a lot to do with the people who were laid off over the

summer. Some of them have not been called back yet for maintenance with regards

to the highways, the painting of the lines, the repairs of the guardrails and so

on, Mr. Speaker. I call upon the government to really take a serious look at

this. Why not give the mechanics the opportunity to go in and work overtime so

that those trucks can be repaired and sent back to their depots? Because I am

going to assure you, Mr. Speaker, if we had a storm this evening our highways

would be in very poor shape in that immediate area that I referenced.

Mr. Speaker, I said that I would only take a few minutes. I want to thank you

for the opportunity to bring those few points forward and I look forward to

speaking again, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise just for a few minutes because I cannot let some of what has been said

just recently go unchecked. For the record, the fact of the matter is, as we

speak today the department of highways, from a vehicle perspective, from a

personnel perspective, is more ready to respond to weather conditions, icing

conditions and snow conditions on the highways in this Province than they have

at any time in the past, Mr. Speaker. Now, that is based on discussions that our

senior executive have had with the regional directors throughout the Province.

Mr. Speaker, the fact of the matter is - and people on the opposite side

should listen to this - we have garages and we have mechanics because vehicles

break down. That is it. That is the reason why there are probably 100 garages

within twenty miles of this place, because everything breaks down, Mr. Speaker.

Things wear out. Things break down.

The Member for Bay of Islands was talking yesterday, some foolishness about a

pile of vehicles being at the Bay Roberts depot. Well, there are a couple of

issues there. First of all, right now some of the salt trucks do not have the

blades on them. Why do you need to be lugging around blades when there is no

snow on the ground, Mr. Speaker? So, they put the trucks in on fine days. They

add strobe lights to the wings. They add strobe lights to the side of the truck.

There is a safety issue now - I do not know about a safety issue, but a

requirement of Government Services that the backs of our salt trucks have to

have a big D sign on it - for danger, I suppose. So, the trucks have to have

pieces welded onto them so that these signs can drop down into. Mr. Speaker,

that is why we keep -

MR. BUTLER: There are no trucks ready yet to go on the road, though.

MR. TAYLOR: The trucks are all ready to go on the road, Mr. Speaker. Now,

the Member for Port de Grave, you know, need not be making misleading comments

like that.

MR. BUTLER: Why does Placentia not have a truck today?

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, I do not know if the depot in Placentia has a

truck today or not. I assume that they do. As I understand it, our fleet of

trucks are ready. All of our people are on, with the exception of about twenty

people; seven of which, as I understand it, are loader operators who we require

when snowbanks start to build up on the sides of our roads so we can push the

snow off so that the fliers can continue clearing roads.

Mr. Speaker, there are approximately twenty people who have retired or

otherwise left the department over the past year, out of a staff of over 400

people. In any department in government, I am sure, that from time to time you

can find approximately twenty positions that are not filled because people have

retired or left the department or off for various reasons, sick leave and what

have you. That is the situation. Now, the vehicles are ready. I can guarantee

you, the fleet of vehicles in the Department of Transportation and Works are

more ready right now than they were when the hon. crowd opposite were the

government.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, maybe I will say this. Maybe if when they formed

the government, when they were the government, when Mr. Wells left the

premiership, after Mr. Wells left the premiership, as I understand it, the

budget for vehicle replacement in the Department of Transportation was somewhere

around $8 million. The next year it was slashed to $2.5 million. As a result of

that, the age of the equipment in our fleet increased. It increased because they

did not replace the equipment on a timely basis as they should have while they

were the government. That is why we increased the budget back to $6.5 million.

That is why there are now thirty new vehicles, thirty new salt trucks, thirty

new fliers going into our inventory right now to replace aging equipment that

they did not see fit, did not have the foresight to look after and invest in

while they were government.

So, Mr. Speaker, we are trying to fix, once again, a mess that they allowed

to accumulate on their watch. That is what we are trying to do. We have been

here two years, and you cannot fix in two years a mess that was created in

fifteen.

MR. BUTLER: You should have a truck ready, though.

MR. TAYLOR: And we do have our trucks ready, Mr. Speaker. Today there

will be a truck go out over the highway somewhere and something will break down

and it will have to go into a shop to get repaired, and that happens

time-and-time again. That is the nature of the business that we are into. It is

the nature of the environment that we operate in. It is the nature of the

equipment, at twelve and fifteen and twenty years old, that they did not see fit

to replace while they were in the government.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, had they replaced their equipment on a ten or

twelve year cycle, like most jurisdictions do, instead of allowing the equipment

to age, maybe there would not be as much equipment breaking down today as it is.

That is why we have invested more money into replacing our fleet and that is why

we have invested more money into repairing our roads, so that at the end of the

day we can provide a better surface for the people to drive on and better

equipment for the people who go out day-after-day to try and keep our roads

clear, so that they have the equipment that they need to be able to carry out

the job that we ask them to do.

If those people opposite, who are so quick today, to all of a sudden be so

concerned - they are like Sol on the Road to Damascus. All of a sudden they have

seen the light and all of a sudden they understand. I can only assume, Mr.

Speaker, that they finally realize that the years of neglect they imposed on

this Province while they were the government, has come home to roost and now

they are begging, begging, pleading for forgiveness from all of us for the

neglect they imposed on us in fifteen years.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune.

MR. LANGDON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to have a few minutes on the bill. I want to touch on some of

the things that the Member for Grand Bank spoke about today with regard to FPI

because I think it is very, very important.

What is happening here, Mr. Speaker, is more than Fortune, it is more than

Harbour Breton, it is more than Bonavista. It goes even deeper than that. The

whole philosophy of people's trust in business and government is being

questioned. If you go to the rural parts of the Province - and this is where the

problem is - you will find that people are becoming more and more cynical of

what they see.

Last night I was at a function when I heard the Mayor, Alec Noseworthy, on

from Fortune and I just could not believe what I was hearing. The thing is,

those people came in here and said to the government members, and said to us,

that a part of the thing they were going to do, as a restructuring of

government, was they were going to do secondary processing in Fortune, because

they couldn't compete in primary production as in Harbour Breton and other

communities and so on, because of the high value of the Canadian dollar plus the

competition from China and other things. Then, when I heard it, I said to

myself: I guess, basically, what I heard is what ordinary individuals across the

Province heard, whether in Labrador or wherever, a company again that had given

its word to people in the House of Assembly, all of us on both sides of the

House, that they were making decisions that were in the best interests of the

company and in the best interests of the individuals within the Province.

Just think about it, just think about what they had done. It is unbelievable

that they would do that again after inviting the people - I am not sure if they

were invited or not, I haven't talked to Mr. Noseworthy about it. These people

came in, met with the company yesterday, and dropped a bombshell, the same way

as they did to the people of Harbour Breton on October 25 of last year, a little

over a year now, saying to the people in that particular community: We are not

going to do secondary processing here now. We don't have the markets for the

increased capacity.

When I heard it last night I thought: How secure is Burin as a secondary

processing plant? How secure are they? The thing about it is, for all of us here

noone, regardless of which side of the House you sit on or who the individual

is, can ever take, anymore, what these people tell you to be the truth, because

they change from day to day, they fluctuate back and forth. There is a problem

here.

The people, of course, going on for three years now, a little over two years,

said to us, as people who ran, that they wanted a change and they put a new

government in place. The people are never wrong, and they made that decision.

However, Mr. Speaker, the thing is, for all of us, regardless of where we are in

the Province or who represents who or whatever government it is, the people here

want the government, whoever that particular company might be, to look after

their welfare and to make sure that these people, regardless of what happens in

any circumstance, can have an assurance that things are being done well.

In this particular case, the FPI thing, if you go - and I do - to my

district, the people ask the question: Well, does the government know when FPI

is going to make these announcements? Are they aware of it? Did the government

know, for example, were they told beforehand, what they were doing in Fortune? I

guess it all goes back to the thought again that the people are doubting that

this is happening. When they see FPI making those decisions, they are

questioning it even more.

I think the Member for Grand Bank said today that the company is going to be

doing, is in the process of doing, an internal review. I would say to the

government - and I am sure that at the end of the day they will think about it -

that, before they ratify any legislation from income trust or anything else,

that they will see what FPI is. What have they brought forward? How are they

going to protect Bonavista or Fortune or any other community before the

legislation is proclaimed? That is very, very important.

It is a very serious situation when we consider what is happening because, as

I said, it is not just Harbour Breton. It is not just Bonavista. It is not just

the communities that have those fish plants there, but it is people as a whole.

I said the other day when I spoke, as far as I am concerned, and I believe it in

my own heart, it is the truth, that the people in the rural parts of the

Province are beginning to be scared; because, what is happening in many, many

instances, you have older people in many of the smaller communities who have

spent their lifetime in the fishing industry. They are fifty, fifty-five years

of age, and see no light at the end of the tunnel for them, and they are saying:

What about if I do have to leave? How do I start over anew at fifty-five or

fifty-seven or sixty years of age?

I know of people who have left Newfoundland over the last number of months

who are more than sixty and have gone to Alberta to work, and leave their family

at home, so that they can probably earn an income for the next couple of years

before they get their pension. It is a lot of uncertainty, a lot of care, and a

lot of fear too, Mr. Speaker. When they see things like this happening, they ask

the question even more: Who is there protecting me?

I find it, as I said, very, very discouraging, and I am very, very concerned

for the people who live in the area. I was in Harbour Breton on Saturday night

at the Lions Club, charter night, and I do not know how many people came up to

me and said: We are concerned. What do you know about FPI? What do you know

about what is happening to our community? What do you know about all of the

different things?

I had to say, well, you will have to wait and find out. They said: Oliver, we

have been waiting for six months and there is no certainty to it. Come January,

we will have to leave the community and we will have to go elsewhere to look for

work.

They are really concerned, because they are concerned about splitting up

their families. They will have to go and their families stay at home. It is a

concern, to say the least.

With that, Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to make sure that I had it on the

record because it does concern me, and the people of the district that I

represent, but much more widespread than that, the Province as a whole. There is

a lot of concern in this Province, I am telling you that right now. People, as I

said, have apprehensions about what is happening and about the future. The

sooner we can find a particular solution or finances for these people, the

better it will be.

Like I said the other day, for me there is no politics in it. I think there

should be an inquiry held into FPI because it is not like many of the other

companies; it is a creature of this Legislature. There are so many things

happening. Regardless, if you are on this side of the House or the other side of

the House, there are questions that need to be answered, and they do not need to

be answered after the door has been shut.

One of the things they said for Fortune, they said, if an operator came along

they would sell the plant. Would they give a portion of their quota to Fortune?

Would they give a portion of their quota to a community like Harbour Breton? I

do not think so. Who would want to buy a plant if they had no quota and nothing

to process?

The direction that has been taken by the Chief Operating Officer who tendered

his resignation a little while ago is a cause for concern. I think that on the

next number of months, if something does not happen soon to bring closure to

this particular thing, it is going to unravel even more, and a lot of us will

have many more problems as MHAs in this House dealing with the ramifications of

that, the outfall of what is happening to FPI and, of course, Abitibi as well.

I represent one of the communities in my area, Seal Cove. There have always

been loggers from the time that I can remember, and they are known throughout

the Province as big wood cutters. They spent all of their lives there. There is

uncertainty with them. Many of them who are young men in their thirties and

early forties, who are silviculture workers, saw an advantage or an opportunity

for them to mo

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