Volume XL Thursday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard} Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholQs Number 40 19 May 1988

The House met at 3:00p.m . MR. SPEAKER (McNicholas): Or·dE!r, pleas<:~! Statements by Ministers MR. BUTT: Mr. spe.aker . MR. SPEAKER: The han. l:he Minister of Culture, Recreation and Youth. MR . BUTT: Mr. Speaker, on May 3rd I announced a bold, new initiative designed to improve the network of serviCE!S and fac:.i.lit.ies in our seventy-five provincial parks. I am happy to announce that thE! or·iginal dead] :ine for mail..ing of· applications under the private sector initiative programme, May 23r·d, has been E!xtended to the end of the month, Tuesday, May 31st.

Just lo refrE!sh hon. memb<;!rs 1 memory, the policy encourages part.ic'i.pati.on of privat.<:~ sector cornpaniE!S, groups, persons and non--pr·ofit organ"i.zations ·i.n our provincial par·ks. I!Jhile Newfoundland Mnd l.abrador has an impressive and attractive park sysU,>m which offers a wid<,> rangP of recreation activities and outdoor experiences, we f<,>el ·ther'< ,' is room for additional services to enhance I: he enj oymE!nt level of park users and vjsitors. At th'.i s timE!, Mr. SpE!akE!r, I would lii<E! to inform hon. members that thE! rE!SpOnSE! to the pr•ivat.E!

SE!Ctor ini l':.iative has bE!fHl l:rr:~mendous and confirms that the entrepreneurial spir·:i.t. is alivE~ and u..Jell Jn this ProvinCE!. DE!Spite the short notice given the public, As of this morning to~Je had ttAJE!n'ty---two L2118 May 19, 19H 8 lJol XI.. applications on file and several morE?. r.une ox pe c LE!d, par· t ·t c u lR r 1 y in light of this d<:~adJ.ine extE!nsion. Judging by the number of verbal enquiries and requests for information k i ts detailing the prograrnrnE!, intE!rE!St ·.ir1 takinq advanl:<.·\9E! of l.:h -i.s offE!ri.ng -Ls E! X t. r E!fiiE! 1 y h :i. g h .

The following is a breakdown of what: has l:i:l ken pL.'IcE:! so far, Mr. Spea~er: The twenty-two applications encompass a variety of activities ranging frorn food concessions rnob:ll<'! and fixed rigs to recreation equipment r·ental and craft: salE:!s. The most popular parks arE! locat.E!d on the Avalon Peninsula but WE! havE>. also received appl:i.caU.ons for parks :in all other regions of the Island and in Labrador. As of' th:i.s mornJng, the Department of CuJ.ture, RE!CrE·ation and Youth has rnail<,~d oul: 1.97 inFor·mc:d:.Jon kits: eighty to the Avalon region, f 0 r• t: y ·- f 0 U t' l 0 l:: h E! E C1 S t.

E! I" n r• E! g J 0 n , twenty to the Central rE!gion, thir·ty-nine to the Wester·n r·eg:i.on and fourteen out of Province . A special review committee, comprised of three senior governrne!nt officials, is in plaCE! and has ITIE!L to study l:hE! t:E!r'rns of refE!renCE! and E!Xamine somE! of l:he p t' o p o s a l s . Mr. Speaker, I arn confidE~nt the deadline extension will allow prospect. iv0~ applicants l:.o subfllit thEdr proposals in a rnorE• comprehensive fashion.

At the same time, the extension should not irnpinge on our' effort:. t.o e n s u r· e t. h a t t: h E! s e rH:! u..J s E! 1~ v i c E! s a n d Facil.it.iE!S ar·r,~ :in pl.acr;! For t.h.i.s camping season. Attached to Sp<,~al<er, iH'E! the benefit No. IW l::lte statEHnE!nt:, Mr·. some statistics for of ho n . rnernhE! r s . R 21.18 ,_ -

Thank you . ... SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hc::~ar, hc:.H~r! MR. WELLS: Mr. SpeakE:~r , MR. SPEAKER: fhe ho1i-.- t.he Leader· of the Opposition. r~R. WELLS : Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Whc,~n the hon. min:Ls·t:er announCE!d this initiative in the First place, we commended both he and the government on thelr E:~ndeavours.

It is a good e n d c::~ a v o u r , b u t i. 1: h <.·1 s to b ~~ handled carefully, as WE! ind:lcatE!d at the t:i.rne. f1'11:H'B cH'O a nurnbc,~r of smaJ.l comrnun:ities in th:l s Province close to parks which rely heavily on the use of parks in Summer For economic Clctivity in thE! community, for an addition to :it' I will just use an example: In rny own district of Windsor - Buchans, thE! community of Badger reJ.:l.es fairly heavily on tr·ade generated from pE!ople using Catamaran Park, and I hope that the minister tJJ.ill bE!

SE!nSit:J.ue to the::~ neE!dS of theSE! small communities adjac~~nt to our parks when he• makes his dE!Cision and l~o.J:i.ll take this into account. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MR. LOr~G: Mf~. Spc~akE!r . Ml~. SPEAKEr~: rTJE~n.--:t1le mE~mbC"!r For St' John Is E;:~ s L. MR. LONG : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. L2119 May 19, 1988 Vol XL Minister of Culture, Recreat:l.on and Youth, as I did tJJhen he b r o u g h t i n h i s i n i t i a J. s t a t E!ITI e n t , that it seems to me the department is quite confused as to how to proceed with this programme.

There is no indication from the minister that any of the twenty-two applications the dE:~par·trnE!nt has rece"ived have b~:!E!n approved. Now, t.omorrotl.J is the s l".:etrt o ·F t:he Victoria Day Weekend and t:hE!rE• have been letters to the editor and talk amongst thE! publ:lc aboul: l).Jhc,~t:.hc::1i" l:hE:~Y Cr'tn expE!Ct pizza stands or·, as the min:l.stE!r likE!S l:o h~J.k r:'tbOill, popCOI"n COI'lC(:!SS:i.ons in the provincial parks. There lAJi'IS no i.nd:icc~l:. -i.on Fr·otn thE! rnin:ister today whether the concessions wlll be opening when the parks open bhis weekend.

I l~o.JOU1.cl Sdy i".:hRL: thi::tt not only rE!f}E!Cts a lack of pt"E!parat:ion of this prograrnrne but reflects some of thE! administratiVE! d:i.ff:icuJ.t.:l.E•s that the department :is having. I would also say to thE! rn:l.n"ist.er, when he talks about almost 200 enquiries be:l.ng received, that there is no ind:ication of just how many conCE!SSions rnJght go :l.n r.lny one place, so thctt at But:tc~rpol:. t.>Je rn:l.ght. SE!B dozens of srna11 concession stands of various kinds, and j_n the nE!Xt park, dOLill'l t: h e r o R d , !Ale ur.i g h t s CH~ n o t h :i n g . I tJJould suggE!St, Mr.

SpeakE!Y', that whi"'l L:he minister has indicated aga:in today is that this progt"arnJil('! has not b(;!~'!l1 pr·opE!I"ly PI"~'!Pi:'ll"(:•d and does not s ec,Hn to bE! lAJOr k :i ng very L,.Jc,111 <.'1 s t~Je he r.1 d in L: o l". h C"! Vi. ct.: or· :i. a Day Weekend. MR. TOBIN: l'-1r· . S p ~~ r-::t k e r· . MR. SPEAKER: The hon. th~:! Minisl:E!r' of SocJ .• 'll No. 4-0 R2119

Services. MR. TOBIN: It gives me great to inform han. $481,640 has been seven Employment Pl"ojects. Th(,'Se cr·eat:.r~ 1,382 projects, Mr. ct totct1 of 53 wor·k WE!e k s pleasure today in(c~mbc,1rs Lhdt·. approved for F.nhdncr:!rnr:!n t.: Speaker, 1..vi 11 jobs for so1nE:~ for sod al assistance recipients to enhance their employability. The Employment Enhancement Programme of Employment Opportunities rE!SU1ted from thE! I1E!ed to enhance the (,1mployabi1ity of some social assistance c1ient.s.

With this goal in mind, a three year jointly funded agreement 1.1.Jas made betWE!en t.:h(,~ federal and provincia]. governmtHlt.:s. This agr(,'OinE!nt is sornetirnE!S rE!fElrrE!(:l to as the four corner'E!d agr(,~BITIE!nt because of the 4 government departments involved, namely, Social Services. Cc:u·eer Development and Advanced Studies, Health and Welfare CanRd,:~ dnd Employment and Immigration Canada. [mployrnent Enhancement is uniquely cliffE!r'enl fr·orn Uw successf111 Community DE!VE!lopment Pr·ogramrne tnitictled by this Government.

Outside the fact that there is f E! d ,,~ r a 1 in v o 1 verne n t , the r· (,~ is a 1 so a trairdng/acadE!rn:ic component that has proven VE!ry successFul ' in r·e:introducing sorn'"! of our caSElload c1ients back into the workforce permanE!ntly, or motivating thE!m to continue their education. I would like to poj.nt out l:o the House today that to date, so far this year Employment Enhancement has created a total oF 473 jobs as a result of our allocation of $3,250,000 which had bE!E!n allocated for this programme. L2120 May 19, 1988 Vol XL ThE:~ s e j o b s rep r· esc,~ n 1: 11, B a 6 IAIO r k 1..veeks.

ThE! results of this programmE! haVE! bE!E!I'l fi:~ntr:<~s Li c. Tl"ai.ning pr·oj ~~cts such as Hospitali ·l:y MangE!InE!nt. , Mining F0rnl1ctrizctl i on and Survey Rodperson, Aquaculture, Fur Fr:~r'ITling dnd f~r:,Fores Li"'ti .on Tr·ai ntnq arE! just a fE!W ar·eas beJng touched by this programme. Mr. Spedi<c,H', del.:t~LJ.s of pi~ojE!Cts approved today IJ..Ji] J be d:istrbu t.E!CJ lc:·\ter t:hi.s afh:~rnoon thr·ough Newfoundland Information Services. MR. EFFORD : Mr . Speaker. MR . SPEAKER: ThE! han. the rnembE!r for· Por·t. d(:! Graue. MR. EFFORD : Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr.

SpElaker, when you 1ook at Lhe natural resources around this Province, fish farming and many oLhe:~r th'i.ngs, i.L ts a shame l:hat WE! are no bettE!r off' in 1988 than IAIB <H'e toddy, i.n th,:~-t. most oF our· population has to depend on the Dr:!pi:~rtrnent of Soc:i.r:o\l S(H'vtcE!S for a j o b . I t i s t h e c r· y :i. n g s h t~ ITH:! . Mr·. Spe:~aki::!l~, thE! situ<.·\ t.ion IAJE! dre in. The minister says that the ErnployiTIE!nt Enhancc,~rnE!nt Pr·ogr'<.':\rnrne is uniquely d:i.fFerElnt From thE! Successful CorniTIUITity Dc~VEllopiiHHlt ProgrammE!.

I am g1ad :Lt :i.s di fferc~ nt. because l:.he Commu nt ty Development Programme is not nearly as successful as the minister :i.s trying to portray, :lt is putting people further back econom:i .ca1J.y than th<:!y wei"E! on soc:i.;:.\1 serv:i.cc,ls. SOME HON. MEMBERS : No. 40 R2120

MR. EFFORD: And U1E! rnin:is tE!r' is IJJell aware of the situation these peoplE! are being placed into. Now just recently, Mr . Speaker - SOME HON. MEMBE~S: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER : 0 r d e r , p 1 e a· s e ! MR. EFFORD: Just rE:~CE!ntly, Mr. SpeakE!r, thE! repor·t of t.hE! Nt'ltionc.'\l. WE!l.ff.'lr c~ Council of Canada stated that in three areas the number o~ ft'lrrrili.es, the number· of single pc::~opl.e and lh€'! numbein of chil.dr·on -our pE!r'centage oF pNJplE! li.ving -j_ n p 0 V (-'! r• t y lAid. S f i:·1 r• ;:,) b 0 V E! i:-:t n y 0 1-.: h E:l r• provinCE! oF Cant'lda.

Of thE! ten provincE:!s in Cani.'\di:-:t, IAJ(,1 l.:oppE!d the list of the number of peoplE! living in poverty. I congratulate the minister on this pro g r a rnm E! , be c au s e it t s the type of prog ramrne IJJe need . WE:1 need to educatE!, we neE!d to train our people, and more money should be put into thts programme than into the Community Development Programme so people can be trained properly to get into the workforce. The only question I !)JO u 1 d as k l he minister and ask the government is, aftE:H' t:.he peoplt'::1 ar·e trairH:1d, tAJhat c!o they haVE! to look for'lAJard to E:1XCE:!pl: lE~av :ing thE!

Pr·ovincc;! l::o Find work? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. ~30MF liON. MEMBERS : HE~ar, hE~i:·\r! MR. FENWTCI<: Mr· . S FJ E! a I< e r· . MR . SPEAKER : L2121 May 19. 19 8 8 Vol XL The hon. thE! mt~mbe:1r for Men:ihek . MR. FENWICK: Mr. Speaker, tJJe have, I th ·ink it can be called, the basic philosophical argwnc:!nt IJ.roi.t.h thE~ d :i. r e c t i o n of j o b c r E! at 1 o n of Ud s government .

Not that we do not think that training social services recipients for work in the p1nivate SE!Ctor· is not a good idt::1a, but:. it is tht~ k:ind of proj~ct you put in place after your· be1s:ic social SE!rv:ict:.~s ai"E! at a reasonable l.E!Vel for i: hE! pE!Opl E• of 1--.h:is Provi .ncE:1. And my ar·gumE:lnt fo the Minister of Social. Services i:-:tnd thE~ golJC-?. I"nlnc:!n'l:: ovr::~r thE!r'E~ ·ts that they are not at a rE!ClSonablE• l.ev(d.

WE:! halJE~ d ITidjOi" cr•:i.s""i.s :oi. n S E:!V E'!I"Gil. important areas, including education and health especially, and especially looking a f ter lhe chronic care old age people in our Province who nE!E!d hel.p. Just to highlight one particular proposal that was put in hE!rE!, tilE! Community Development Pr·ograrnrne, which was a sort of brother of this pr·ograrnme, set up a Pl"ograrnrne in which people would visit old people in their homes and help them to stay there longE!r so that ·thE!Y did 110 l~ l'lE!ed the depE~nd~:HlCY of the very short chronjc care facilities that we have in this ProvincE! . rJtr·.

SpE!akE!r, those arE! the k:Lnds of projects t hctl I think should be expanded grE!atly, but not under · d Lon or tiAJPnly I.•JE~E!k 1nakE! IAIOI"k programme. They should be a pE1rrnanE!I'll f<."cil:il:.y oF LhE! minister 1 s department or the d c:! p d r t.111 E:! n l o F l ~ ~' a J. 1: h , o I" lAJ h t c h ever depiH'trnEHlt IAii.shE!S t: o takE> r·esponstbil.J . I:y For :il:. BE:!cause IJJhat is happE!noi.ng is that since th<:! p<::~opl.e t•Jho r'E!qu:i. r·~~ that. cdr'e cannot count on it, thE!Y ar·e No. 4.0 R2121

trying to gE!t into thE! citizens facilities much than they really nE!ed to, more pressure on the chronic health care system. serdor earliE!r putting en l: 'i.re So, I IAJould sc.'l.y l.:o U·w govc,H'l'Hnenl : over there, these are great projects to pul i nlo place but you haVE! not don~~ your basic job. GE:~t your bds:i.c job done,~, of:- J.ooldng aftcH' the people in thJs Pr·ovinCE! 1.1Jho <ilre sick and nol ;:;tblE! t.o look afte1n UtEHnselVE!S. GE!t that in place, and once that :is ther·~~ and we haVE! that tAJor·king smoothly, maybe we can start looking st helping to create jobs in the private economy.

But lE!t us do our own job first. DR. COLliNS : Mr . Speaker. MR. SPEAI<ER: Ti'lE! hon. the MinistE!r of I-IE!alth . DR . COLLINS : Mr. Speaker, this is not the usual type of stab~rnent I IJJanl: to mal<~~ just knotJJ. I just want to inform the h o n . H o u s e t h ct t the h o n . UH~ Premier has an important MinistE!r'ictl Sl:atemE:~nl to lndke <Hld he is inadvertently delayed . P o s s i b 1 y l.: h E! H o u s E! rn :i. g h t c o n s i. cl E! r· l"~we:~rt.:ing briE!fly to MinistE:H·iaJ Stal~~m<;!nl t~JhE:!n hE:~ rE!tUI"ns, but thi.'lt re:~ quesl: will bE! made at thE! tirnE:~.

I jus l IAJi:-\n l: lo infor·1r1 l.:hl'::' House, at this timE!, of t:ha"t si. Luation. MR . SPEAKER: The:~ hon. the of Opposition . MR. WELLS : If thE! h on . t: he P r t:Hni ~~ r has an i.rnpor·tant M:inistE!d.al St:aternont lo tnak<~, I Lh:ink t.IJt~ ought.: to l·war it . I agree to revert. L2122 May 19, 1988 Vol XL MR . SPEAKER: The h on . ,thE~ rnc,~ rnb E! r for S t . John 1 s Ea s l:. MR. LONG: I am presuming that would be right dt t:he E!nd o f Qt.te s t.: .io n PC'!r' .iod . M[{ . Sir~MS : WhEHWVE!r hE! gE!tS h E!rE!. WE:! t.o~Jould nol i.nterrupt Question Period. MR. ·LONG : Righi:. Okay .

Oral Questions M R . W . C A R T_~_R : Mr. SpeakE!r. MR. SPEAKER : ---------ThE! hon. the rnE•rnb e I" fo r· Tt.o~ri 11 i. ngF~ t.e . MR. W. CARTER : Mr. SpE:~ak(:~r, my ques t:i.on IAJould normally go the Minister of Development (Mr. B<:a-re lt:), or if not to hjrn then l:hE! PrE!fn:lE!r, but -Ln thE!:ir· mbsenCE!S I shall addr·c;!SS it to thE! De~uty PrE!rn:iE!r (Din. Collins). YestE!r' d<.~y in l:hE!

House, and again today on radio, the Mi.nister of Development, in comntE!n"ting on LhE! rEd.nstatE!IrtE!nt of Uw con t:. r· i'\ c 1·: w"i. 1: h 1·: hE! cons or· t·:.t on of companiE !S in wh:l ch a Fl"~: !nch compdny :is involved, said that, 1 All of the funding p r o v i cl e d . . . f r· om 1:: he Off s h o r e DeVE!loprnent Fund ... i.s tar·gE:'tE!d fo1" Canadian i nleresl:s with lhe greatest share 1 going to NE!Wfoundland. In the House of AsSE!rnbly, Mt" . SpE:~ai«:H', on Apr· ·il 21, in r'E!ply t:o rny quest.:i.on the rnin].stel"- - M R . S P E A"K E R : Or·der, plet:1se! No. 40 R2122

MR. W. CARTER: I am laying the:~ groundwork, Mr. S p e a I< "~ r , f o r IAI h a t. I l h i n k :i s a n important question, Sir. I ask Lhe Deputy Pr·em:i.er, then, hOIAJ does that statement by thE! rninistE!r Y"~st.erday, and again today on radio, squarE! w].th thE! statE!IriE!nt given by the minister in lhe House on April 21, in reply to rny question, when he said that $187,000 of that $900,000 contract IArill flow dirt~ctly into the hands of the French company? Will thE! Deputy Premier te 11 the House which version is correct? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Mirr:i.stE:~r of Hc-:H:llt:h. DR. COLLINS : Mr·.

SpE!akE!r, I bE!l:iE!VE! the hon. Mi. n i. s t:. e r o f D E! v E'! l. o p rn E:! n t r· <,~ "' ll y d i d ui'JSIA.J01" that. I am s·ur'(:1 L~JhEHl hE! ts AVAilable he will go Jnto more dt=:~tails if l:hat i.s rE!qu:ire!d. But I th:ink the dl'lSlAJfH' he:~ gi:WE! IAJas that tJ.Je had to mal<e a VE!ry rapid response to a mosl unconscionable action take!n by France in arre:~s Ung a legil:.imal:<-:lly f:ish:ing Newfoundland VE!Ssel and its crew, a crew 1.vhich had been fishing H1ere for years and perhaps E!VE!n gE.HJer·ations.

So we had to mai<E! a very rap]d response to that and we wanted to mal<e a response that was noticeablE!. So that is why that particular contract was suspended. I ·think the hon. minJ.ste!r said, at the time, that we would have to r E~ '.J i EHJJ t h E~ i rn p 1 i c a i: j o n s o f t h a t . Now, I l~h:ink that IAJas a VE!r'y good move to makE!. When the rE!VietAJ tJ.Jas car·r·-.ied oul:, and the hon. M:in.istc:H' of DE!Veloprnent, I l:h:ink, mr.ldE! this c1E!dr' in his stdt.<,~ment, hE! found it was a very complicated deal. T I"](H' (,~ i)J (,~ In~~ a 1'1 urn~)('! r· 0 f" 1. 0 c r:~ l f :i.

I" Ins :in v o 1 v E! d . It 1.va s a. cons or· ·t :i urn a r· i" an g e ITIE! n t. ll lAic:\ s c:·\ n in i. l: . .i. i.·\ l. study and il was quite an involved L2123 May 19, 198B Vol XL arrangc,1m<,~nt. Wh<o!n t.:hdi: r'E!V:i.OIAJ IAJC\s carried out it was quite clear 1".: h a t t. h :i s p cH' t .i c u 1 a r· c o n L r· a c L <.F'.I v e credits and benefjts to Newfoundland firms and Newfoundland workers, and, as it tur·nE!d out·:, no dir'E!Ct b~?.l'lE! · Fil:s t.o thE! French partner in t 1·1(:! consortium.

Now, as some later· stage, if" l::h:is whole eXE!rd.se is proceE!dE!d ~;.J:l.th, :it may well bE! l::hat l::I'HH'e rni1,:Jht possibly be benefits to the French partnE=~r. I suppose t:hey woul.d not bE! in the consorti1J1T1 tf they d :id not h~'lVE! that in m·.ind. But this particular contract gave rise to no bene:1'f-i.t:s dnd no part:icular advantages to the French partner under this pctrticu1ar contract. Sa , i n v i e IAJ of t h a t , I t h :i. n k Cab-inet l.:ook ':-' VE!r·y r·E:!sponsible and, I do not mind say".:Lns1, not c~n easy dec:i.sJ.on to previous decision. MR. SPEAKER : Order, plE:~ase!

I think lhe hon. minis t.<H' is getting into the realm of debate . MR. W. CARTER: A suppl<;!l"n(~ntary, Mr. SpE!aker. MR. SPEAKER : A supplE!ITIE!ntary, thE! member for Twillingate. MR. W. CARTER: han. thE! Mr·. Spt~aker, my qtH'!St:i .on, c\qain, goE!S back to thE> DE•puly Prr:!rn:iet" . A g C\ .i. n I as k h :i 1n : fl OL•J can h ~~ square what the mJ.nister he d:id not Hnswer my question, by l:".hl':~ IAJdY said yesterday and what he sa:id on r·ad:Lo t·.:h·is triOI"n.inq l::o thE! E!ff( :!cl: that nonE:~ of thE! b~HH~f"its of l:hat c () n L r· d c t lAd J. 1. g o t. o d F I" o n c h cornpany?

How dc.H~s hE! squar'E! Lhat lAd . l:: h t h f~ S t. i.·\ i:: (! lfl (' n ·1·: l.: h a [: t: hE! minister made in the House, as No. 40 I~ 2 1.2 3

recorded in Hansard, page LlOSO on Aprtl 21, when he sa.id thcilt $187,000 of that $900,000 contract would Flow into the hand s of the French? That is the question, Mr·. Speaker. Which stoi"Y 'is correct? Did the m:i.nishH' decEd ve the HouSE! yesterd a y or did he deceive the House on April 21? That is the quest.i .on. MR. SPF::rlKFR : nw h o n . t he M i n i s t r::H' of H r:1 a 1-l: h . IJR. COL LINfl : rJl r . S p e 13. k o r , i t i s n o l: a q u ~~ s U. o n of decetving or otherwise.

On April 21, l:. he Minis l·: er· of Development gave information to the House that hE! held to th~: ! bE!S l: of his ability. I do not think at that stage he had nE!ed to go J.nto thE! minutia, thE! a b so 1 u t E! dE! l: a i 1 s of l:he contr·act. Th(~ objE!Ct:lvc;! of awarding the contract was primarily related to developments offshore. Certainly there would be spin-off benefits to Newfoundlanders, but the main objecttve was offshore development and that is what the statement was all about.

On reviewing the details it was clear that this particular· aspect of t.he projE:1Cl:, which was the first contractual cippr·oach t:.o t. hE.~ J)Jhol.E! pr·ojE :!Ct. , hHd to be all done in Newfoundland. It was not a case of something bEdng manufactur'E!d in Fr·ance, that ly pe oF thi. ng, bu i: a l l t:hc,1 IAJOI" k was to be done in Newfoundland and ct del:diled assessment and review of the project showed that. If the hQn. Minister of Development did not mention that on April 1 it was because he felt that t t was not necE :!ssary to go into that. HE! IAJas just giving br·oad piH'amc~b:H'S .

It is not unusual, if onE! JAJanls to announC(:1 a pr·ograrnJTIE!, t:o g:ivc,1 the b In o a d o u t 1 :i. n e , b u t t: h E! n i f y o u a r E! askE!d l:o go into l:.he detcliled employment aspect of j t you comE! L2124 May 19, 19 8 8 UoJ. XL up with facts that you djd not need to have in the first place. MR. W. CARTER : A final supplementary . MR.

SPEAKER: Be fore r ec ogniz i ng t he hon . member, I think the phrase 1 ci€~Cf~iu t ng l:. he l·louso 1 'i. s one, if we look at terms ac c eptabl e i n f3c,1auch(:' !Sn(~, i s ;qccept: .i'1 blc,, i. n onE! particular case and not in t:-\noth1':11n . .f. do no t th .. ink il: i~ ; a tHrrn that J.s rc~ ally a cc c;!ptabl e. 1 dsk l:hc,1 hon. rnE~Jnb ~ :!l' ·· t o II..J'il : hdr· r.~tAJ that. M~-·-~ CARTEY._: OF courst::1, Mr. Spc,1ak c; !l~, and I apologiZE!. That 1.11as a s ] i.p of t.hE:• tongue . What I mc; ! r.~nl: t: o say IAJC:il s , WhE!n did thE! rn:lnister rn.i s 1ead the House?

I retract the word 1 dE!CEd.VE! 1 • ThE! JAJord I IAJ a s 1oold .ng for was rnisl t:' ad. My final supphHnenh\lny gOI':!S t.o t:hE! DE!puty PrE!rnier. In hj s rE!ply to me on the Apr·:il 21, th e rninistE!r was quitE! s pe cifi c. HE! did not giu(:~ mE~ d r·ound fi.gure. Hr:~ sa.i.d $187,000 of that contract would go -Lnto l:he hands of t:he Fr'E!I'lCh company, a very speciftc figure.

In l t ght·. of th E! contr · t·1d·icl··. or·y statements coming from th e rn ·i. n 'is+.: c;! r· on t:. h 'i. s rn<:·1 t 1: E:• r· , IAJO u l d t: h c,1 Deputy Premier undertake to have Lhdt pl"Opo s al 1:~nd Lhc'! budgf~l: For that contract l:abled so that: IAJE:! wi.ll know For sure exactly how rnuch of t:hE! rnonE!Y und(:•r that conl:rdcl :: go E1S t.o t:h(~ Fr·pnch, or· :iF in fact any of it goes to t:he FI"E:!nch, or· if it: dll fl.oJ.vs 'int.o the hands of Canadians and Newfoundlander s ? SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE!ar, hear·! MR. SPEAKER: No. 40 R2124

ThE:1 hon. the Minister of Health. DR. COLLINS: Mr·. Speakr:!r, T t.ui.Jl c~1rtatnJ.y br·ing that reques L to the att:ent:ion of LhE! hon. !::he~ Ministc,1Y' of Development. I think he is the one I~.Jho I.•.Jill have Lh<'! dE!t.diJ.s. I cr:H·ta:inly do no l have that levE!l of detai.J. on this conlrc.~ct, and I doubt if , in any contract , we would normally have readily available, outside the depar ·trnent .involved, that type of detail. So I will certainly bring that request to the hon . Minister of D~weloprnent. I do haVE! to say it Js not unique for a correction to be made in th:is House.

SorneU.ITIE!S infor·rnation :is given by ministers in good faith, and, at a latc:1r stage IAJ~Hi!rl nE!IAJ :i.nfor'mHtion comes Foi"IAJi'H'ci, often on a voluntary basis the 1r1 :i n i s t (~ I" IAJi l l rm:i k l'! <:1 c o r· r· c:! c t J o n . Now, th:is, pE!rhaps, is a slightly d :iff r:1r'E! n l: s ""i. l.:ua t. :i.o n, I ~~~dm:i. t that. But, nevertheless, it is not by '"ny mr:1ans urdquc~ for ir1f<.H'rnat".ion to bE:1 correctE!d, and this is what the hon. min".ister did. MR. FUREY : Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. lhE! r"lin:Lster fOI" St. Barbe. MR. FUREY: Mr. Speaker, I tJJould ask ti'H.;!

Deputy PrE!fnier, along thE: samE: Jin(='!S, about this contract.. We know that it is the J.ar·gest consulting contract ever let by the Department of Development. Is "i t t: I" u e , 1\1 r· . S p <.;! d k P r , t: h ''' t t h ~~ company met with government in the last. i·.wo clays? We <'IrE:! told t.hRt Uris cornpany has aJ.1neady 1E:1t cont. r·a c t: s, I fidel E:! c orrmri. Uno n l.. s , d nd even set up an office in L2125 May 19, 191!8 \Jo 1. XL N e wf o u n d 1 and . I s i t t r· u E! , M r .

Speaker, if t.hc:~l i.s 1-:I'H:1 Cc\Se, that this joint VE:'nturE! company has essentially ouorruled the Government of Newfoundland and Labr·ador c1nd, by logical extension, overruled this House, bE~Cdl.ISE:! I~.JE! noiAJ havE:! a r·esolut.:ion that is not wor·th thE! papE:• 1n J. t "is tJJr "it. t. ~1 n on? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health . DR. COLLINS: Mr. Speakc::!r, this part .i.cul(H' ~ffort was worked on for some considt:H'dble t.irnE!, dnd thE!I"e I)Jas a consor·tiurn SE!t up tnvolving Jocdl firms. So l:hE!I"e .:i.~; a J.ol:: of groundiAJork done.

I think what the hon. rnE~Inbc.;!r' ts r'E!f<'!r'r' i.ng t.:o i.s, were certain offices and certain pnopJ.<,1 E~rnployE~cl i:'tnd l:.hat. l:.ypE'! n·r thing in that sor·t of gl'··ouncll.o~JOI"k Lhal: 1Ali.•1S J.Hicl? All l:.hoi.s t•.JdS not donE! in the last Few days. T"l"d s l~k\S dono, I i'l.HI qujto SUI"(!, OVE'!I'"" a period of time. The ho n. mE! Ill be r p1nobabl y tAd.l J. r·E:!mE:!rnber t:hetl thE! r'E!solutJon p a s s E! d i n t h t s H o u s e r E! f e rT E! d 1: o the withdrawal or suspension of contracts to companies of French r'~'gist.r·y.

This pi":lrLiculal" co1npany is not a French registered company. ·rh-.is Js a CanadJan registered company. Even though there is a French part to l::he consortium, jt js not a French r'E~g"is l":ered company. MR. FUREY: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A suppl~~ITient;,uny, Ll·w hon. t.hE! rnenrber· for St. Bar·bE!. t'JJL._J lJ R E Y : Mr. Spe~kor, neither is Newfound1and EnE!r·gy in BEH'rnucla . No. 11·0 1~21.25

My suppJementary is to the Minister -of Fisheries. The Minister of Fisheries, Mr. Speaker, said in this House on May 6 that the leaders of the country - SOME HON. MEMBERS: QUE!St :ion! Mr~. SPEAKER : Or·der·, p1ea.sl':~! Ml~. FUREY: I IAJ o u l. cl d s k I l·w M -L n .i s hH' o F Fishc,~lni~~s, Mr.

SpE!aker, doE:~S he,~ st.:·ill stdnd by h:is sl:c:~I.:~:!Hit;!nL "i.n this Hou~e on May 6 where he cc:,,1J.c,~d on t.hc;! l.oad~:!I"S of CanadH to insi~;t, through thE! only language t. h a t F r· a n c c,~ tHJ d E! r s t rHl d s , e c o n o rn i c language, on cancel1ing contracts and using tr·adc;! sanct.-:i .ons against that country? I would ask does the min:i.ster still stand by that? If he has any principle, t.uhy is hE! s t:tll sitting in t.hat Cabinet wh~;Hl they reversed that decision with this French company on the provincial contract? SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR.

SPEAKER : The hon. thE:~ Minister of Fisheries. Ml~. IUDEOUT : Mr·. SpE:~akE!r', I IAJilJ. put lAJha tevC:H' pr·:incipl.~:! I have;! 11p i.·\g;:~ ·ins t.: Lho hon. gen t.lerrHHl' s any day. SOME HON. MEMBFRS: H~:!f:J.r, h~'!CH'! JJ~~flln, hoi.~in! MR. rnDEOUT: If you t.~Jant to talk about fact!;, r"' r . s p e d k e r· • t. h ~=! n L>.H:! IAI :i. 11 1.: d 1 k abouL facts. If he lAJants to ask fa c t u a 1 quE! s l: Jon~; tAH~ IAJ:il.l answer· thE!rn FactuaJly. But if hE! IAJClnt:s to dwell in the depths of L2126 May 19, 1988 Uol XL poJ.itical innuendo thE!rl lAJE! that, too.

So 'if you IAJant about principlE!S, WE! can talking about principles. can do to tall< stal"t Now the fact of the rna l:t:er· j s, Ml". SpeakE!r', that., of cotH'S('!, I stand by thE! statement l:hat I made in l:'.h'is l·lous~~ on t.>Jhal::E!Ver· di:;tt.~:! j.t. lAJas that the hon. gentleman rE!ferred to. T h E! r-e a r E! S 0 ITH:~ d i f f' E! r· EHl C E! S , M I" . ~)pE:~al<er, th.~l l::his House and t.he pC:~oplE! of lhis Pr·ovinCE! ought to br~ dlAJHl"<:! of-- l.1.JhC!n l~lf! dl"f!

J·.J'Ili<Jng about not entE~d.ng into l:d1ah'l"a1 i:r'dd i. ng I"C~J.r:~l:.:i.ons IAJi.1·.h Fi"i:'ll'lCE! as a way to bring prE! s s ur·e l:o bE!cH' on l":.h(! FlnE!I'lCh in t:his pc·1r·t.J.cu.lar· math~r . We are talking about here a contract., Mr. S~H~akE:!I", l::hal:. lAJas atAw.rdE!d. WE! al"E! l::alkin~J l'lE!n!, Ml". S p E~ a k E:~ r· , a c o n 1: r· a c t t hat IAJa s valued at $869,000 and sorne - odd cents, of which $'729,000 had brc!en contracted, committed or awarded by t.he time the r'E!Solutton 1/Jas passed in tl'ds HousE!, Mr·.

S p ~~ r:il k C:H' . ~'II~~ a r E! t a J. lei n g h c~ r e of h a v i n g t o p a y o u t tAlE! J 1 i n E! x c E! s s of $700,000 lo C· .. -Colne, to NewfoundJ.and Design AssociatE!S, to Ston~~ c:\ncl ~~c;!bstf'!r', to Mc~1nor•ji3.l U n i v ~~ r s i t y . ~~ho Lh(=!r IAJO g~~t t·.he · IIJOI"k clone Ol" not:, Mr. Speaker·, thE!r'E! is a ~~um wol.l tn excess of $700,000 that has J·:o bE! paid out of l·:hE! pub1ic plli"SC'! bf:!Cdi.ISO conLr'i :'iCI".·.s dl"~;, signed, work is cornm:ittE!d, cHld 1\J (,'lAJ f" 0 111'1 d J !.·1 n cl ~'!I" S d I"~:! :in ::·1" 61 n C 0 working on this project. On the othE:'r hand, Mr· .

SpE!c:ti<E!l", lAJ h '" n I~<J~~ '" r· ~:! 1: a 1 k .in g <:~ b o u 1·:. Air· bus or we arE! talk:ing about nuclE!ar submar·-irH:.s, rJJ1n. SpE!akE:.r·, IAJO arc~ talking about contracts not yet E:~ntc,~r·~::~cl into, :in o Lh~=!r' lAior·ds, the No. 40 R2126

E!Conornic J.ev~~r<.-\ge thai~. cftn be LIS<"H~ t o t h~1 b e n e r t l: o r N co11Alf o u n d 1 a n d a n d Lab r i'l. do r . q u i. l:. c~ i'l. d i. f f c,H' r:Hl c (;1 , M I" . Spt::!akt::~ln. Ml~. FUREY: Ml". ~3peakEH' . Mf~. SPEAKER : A final supplementary, the hon . the member for Menihek. MR. FUREY: Mr'. SpE!akE!r, the matter· is that Uds in the House and double standard. M R . · S P·E A I< E R : Order·, please! MR. FUREY: fact of m:i. rri s t t::H' he set thE! stood up a l\1r.

SpE:!akco!r, rny quc,!S t:ion to t.hr::! minister is: l-lolAJ can hE! s Land in Lhis Charnbol", 11.1.i.Lh i'lll. of Nl':!lAJfoundland and Lab1nador· !Aicd:ching on Lhls ~JE' !I"Y sensi.l. :"ivo i.ssuo, i:lnd call upc.H1 thE! Govc;!r'nrnent of Canada 1--.0 <:!XE:1rC'i.S<:1 tr'dd<~ l.E:!IJC:!rS, IAlh(;!rl he hinJSii:!] f at a Cabinet t.able agr·eed l·.o canCE!l. C:-\ conl:.rHcL, ;:-1nd l.:hr::!n hr:~ himself, on bd1alf of l:hr::1 Fi s i·H~ rln<o! n I i'\1: t.: h Co' s i;\ITIE! c a b"i.rH,1 l: table agr'E!ed to r·ednstate the contract:? How can he do that? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. t:he MinistE!r of Fishe!ries. MR.

IUDEOUT: Mr. SpeakE!r, the hon. gentleman ought to br..?. ashaiTIEH~ t:.o thE! dE!plhs of his soul to stand up in this House and talk about double standards. Mr·. SpE!aker, hoiAI can you stand in this House and say that we will USE! SOITIE! fish, Mr. SpE!akE!r, somE! nonsurpJ.us Fish, Mr·. ;:;pr:~al<c = !r', Lo give to Lhe French to solve the Canadi't .... Fr'i.Hlc~:! clispt .1l.:c0? l·lotAJ CiHl you do that, Mr. Speaker? Talk 1..2127 Mi:l y 19 I 19 B 8 lJol XI.. Rbout doublo SpE:•aker! SOME HON. MEMBERS : li(~i:H', hedr! MR. RIDEOUT : s 1-.i:lndards, Mr· . ThE:! hon. gE!ntlc;!rnan should bE!

SE:!en i'll'ld not. hOdl"d lAJhen il:: COIIIE!S t.:O talking about double standar·ds and pr·:i.ncipl.c,~, Mr·. Sp(:1al<"!r'. WE! i'H'e talking about hE!rE!, Mr. SpE!akE!r, C.'l conLract that was awarded of which weJ.] in exCE!SS of $700,000 got.: i·:o be paid out anyway to Newfoundland firrns that I just Jisted out, vis -a-u.i.s, Mr. Speai<E!r, contr·ac ts that ar·e not YE!t awar·ded thcd: can tH~ USE!d as econorn:ic lr::•ver·s t.o t::he bE!nE!fit of NE!IAJfoundlandE!rS in thE• Canc:~da - France;! f i.sh cLi.spute. No double standard, Mr.

SpE!akr:H', bu L pr·tncipJ.c0, honc,1st.y, :i.nt.E!gr·J . ty unJ.:i.ke IAJhat !AlE! gE!t frorn thE! hon. g (~ n 1':. l o rn<:·l n . SOME l-ION. 1'-1EMBERS: -~--· __ .,_ MR. FENWICK: Mr. SpE~i.~k<H'. MR. SPEAI<ER : The hon. the member for Menihek. MR. FENWICK: ThrHlk you VEH'Y rnuch, Mr. ~3pE!i:ti<E!r. My questjon is · also for the Deputy P r' c;! 1-rd. (:! r , a n d :i. t h a s +: o cl o IAri 1':1·1 1:: h (.' sam(~ tssue, so :it js by way of a continuation of the questioning.

The questjon is this : Was any rc,~presc->.ntat-Lon mcu:le by PenrH?.con and Newfoundland Design Associatc;!s, which ar'E! l.:he tiAJO companies jnvolved in the major contract, was any representation made by these two companjes to the C <:·1 b ·i. n C'! L·. 'i. n o r' d <'! I" l. o r' <;! v C'! I" s I::! l.: h i)t 1: decision that was made Len days i:'lgo? AJ.so, cdn t··.hE:! DC'!puLy Pl"(;!rn::i.t:!r tE!ll us IJJhether· or not thE!Se two 1\Jo. 4-0 R2127

companies are major contributors to the PC Party either provincially or federally? r:'!Ji..:..-.2£A K E R : The han. the Mintster of He::~al t:h . DR. COLLINS: ----------··-· Mr.

Speai<E!r, on t:he las ·t. poi.nt I have not thE! faintest, foggiest idt::-a and I have no par·t"i.CLilar iiTLerE!S t: j n fj_nd:ing out. 0 n l. h P f i I" s 1.: p o i n t , T 1.: h "i n k "L I: -i. s correct l.o say that the N E~ I.~J F o 1.1 n d 1 d n cl c o 1 n p i:·l n i _ (~ s , q u J 1- c:! pl'·oper·ly, had somE:! communications 1~r:i.l.h l " hr,~ hon. lhe Mi.n"i.sl:~:!l" of Development I would have been very SIH'fll"i .sc,,d if t.:i·wy <Lid not dnd IAJ:i th -Uw De pal~ 1-:iTIE!n t of Development:. l"hey can re~d Lho paper· s r.wd LhE:~Y co u J.d s to~ E! u.Jha t thE! r·(~soJ.uL-_ton of l:l'lE! HousE:!

I.•Jas and t.hey couJ.d soE:' t:hal: thE! consor·tium ~: h a t t h E:~ y 1~.H'! r· E:~ :i. n v o 1 v E:! cl -j_ n I.~J d s going l.o be impacted by the actions taken by government, so they took a very natural reaction. I believe they got: in touch with the department and made representations to them. In terms of making req:.JreSE!ntations to thE! CabinE!t, I cannot spE~ak for· alJ my col]E!agUE!S, but I I.I.JouJ.d highly doubt it. I have not heard anyone say that.

And I would t h i n k l. h a 1:: 1:: h E~ r· E:1 p r c::1 s <->. n t a t 'L o n s t o thE:1 Department of DE!ueloprnE:~nt and Tour· -L s m 1m:! r· E'! s u f f'i. c ton ·I .. _ For· l: he :i r purpose and that is what they did. MR. FENWJ~;~ : Mr·. SpE:1akE~l~ . Ml?. SPEfiKFR: A supplEHTlE!ntar·y, thE:! momber for Men-Lhek. L1.1L __ [JNLt-!l~~l~: Ml" . SpE~aker·, I havl':1 hEH'E! LIAJO or t: h r· (;!

E'! pages of L2128 May 19, 1988 hon. the a copy of Uw 19B7 Vol XL annual me!eting calendar· of thE~ Pr·ogr'E:1ss:iVE:1 Conse1nva ·t.-:ivE:1 Par·ty, in u.Jhich thE!re arE! tu.Jo fuJ.J-- -pagE:! adVE!rt.isc::HnE~nts cop -iE!d hE!r·e, one for Neu.JfoundJ.and DE!~.dgn AssociatE!S and one for Pennecon. ~B...: ____ s P E A IS.L~. : Or·der, plE!clSE!! MR. FENWICK : My question, Mr. Speaker - MR. SIMMS : A point of order, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : A p 0 •i n 1.: 0 r 0 I" cl (! r' , L h H h 0 n . t h (!

President of the Council. r1,~_:.._ SIMMS.: M r· . !3 p e t.·l k (;! i" , L hE'! e IJ :i cit:! n c e '1:. h a t·:_ t:_ hE:! hon. rnernbl':1r attempts to introducE :! dS d pr·(~ · fdCE' ! Fol" <.·\ quos t:. :ion t s so sickE!ning and r·idJcu]ous j_t:_ ·i s noL BUEHl I)Jor·Lh COII!Inont:i.ng Ol'l, i:'lnd I would bE! surprised :if Lhe D~:!put:y Prem-i.er even bol:hered to respond to the question, if it E!Ven cornE!S. MR. LONG: What is your point of order? MR. SIMMS: I wonder would the hon. s€H1d us ovel" a copy brochure Lhey hi:'lve For annuaJ. meeting this corning 'i.n Cor·n<,~r· Br·ook?

I would see all the union ads. MR. FENWICK: rncc' lnbc~ r· of LhE:! LhHil" IAJE! E! k (;! n d l:l kc'! to 17(;-------tFi"E;--·---P o :i n t: o f o l" d E:! r· , Ml''. j s Spc,~;:·lkt,~l", I do not th--ink LhE!l"e onE!. ThE!Y'E! :is t-:hE~ hon . no po:in L of PI"E~sjdenL anti cipat:E!Cl rny caLl TIIHirlbE:!(' by r'tbOII-l-:. ono No. 40 Ol"ciE!Y', but of Counc:il to thE· hon . SE~cond, or R2128

TI-le hon. mE:Hnb~~r is on d supplementary and I ask him to pose lt 1nstectrl of r· r:~ ad oi n g s o HI o al"ticJe. Tho hon. i..l-le rrHHnber· for· ME:~nE!~dk. Mf~. FENWICK : My ques Li.on t:i'IE:Hl For t.:h~~ 0(:~fltJt.y PI"E:~rni,,~r is Uris: Since obuiously Lh(:!l"(~ t.•RlS l''epr·(;!S(~nt.<.·lt . .ion rn;:·lde, dnd obuoiously tl-lere is a connection - MR. SPEAKER: or·dr:1r, pl.~~asr:1! MR. FENWICK : The question is coming. f:1_R. SPEAKER: Would thE:1 hon . mE!mber please ask h:i.s question? MR. FENWICK: Would ti-le Deputy Premier admit !:·.hat :i.n fact: thE!

J.nt.r:~r·(:!sts of t:t~lo companies, whjch clearly haue dir'E!Ct ltnks financ-i.f.~ll.y l:.o t:.h(~! P r· o u i n cia 1 PC Party , o n e of w hi c h has direct: links to the,, fc-?.d(:1rdl PC Par·ty r11anaged to ouerturn a dE!cision of Lhi.s HoiiSt~, ;:~nd put th,,~ir ·lnter·ests ahead of those of Uw -i.nb~resls of l.:hE:1 f.-i.shtH'Inon of th11:1 South Coast of this Pr·ouinc,,~? Ml~. ~)PEAI<ER : Th(:~ hon. thE! Minister of HE!alth . DR. COLLTI\JS: Mr. Speaker, that supplies its own answer question and thE! people in Newfoundland know how to dE!al 1~.1it.h Lhat SOI"t of question. I do not haue to deal with it:.

MJL __ FENW;ICK_: A Final supplementary. MR. SPEAKER: A-r---:-rn-a 1 5'up p 1 E! ITl (:1 n tar y . MR. FENWICK: L2l29 MH y 1. 9, 1. 9 B B Vol. XI_ My fini'll supp].(,1ffi("HltiH'Y, Mr. Speaker, is thjs: How can this gouel"nm<;!nl: i·:h(~n ffl<'tl<(:~ th~:! d(~cision that thE:~Y mad11:1 YE!SI:el"day Lo hold bi'\Ck on t-.h(,~ only s·:i.gni.ficant action we haue wit:h France if there is no possible connection between t:he two partners in the project and th0 Prouincoial gouernment tl-lrough the PC Party affil.ictt.ion?

I ask Lhe Deputy Pr·emier to exp]ain to us l'lOIAI that cl 11:~ c i. ·s :J. o n c o ul. cl h t'l u (;! b e o n 1 o g -.i. c a 1.1. y madE!, if it was not for· that fact that l:. h~:!ir· 'i.nt:er·E!St.s wei"O put ahead of the fishermen of this Prou.ince and the -Lnt:er·esLs of the ProuinCE! as a whole, makj. n~1 us hypocriLes in the eyes of t.:he world? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the M:i.njstE!r oF HeaJ.t:h. DR. COLLINS: Mr~-- s l:i~;i~Tc o r· , t. h (:• r· e IAI a s n o hypocrisy in this acU on.

TI·H:! gou(,~r·nmf~nl: r·,,~spond(:!d r·ap ·oi.dly l:. o an emergency situation, but, on tni'ltllr'E:~ consider<:~t-ton, i.t was SE!E!n that the people of Newfoundland 1~101.1l.d nul:-. g(,1t.: dl'llj <:JI"(;!i~l bE!J'Hd:Jt out of liTis; it IAIOuld not hurt. Fl"i.HlCO, ·i 1: IAIOt.lld only hur··t. NeiAJfoundlandE!r's, and that:. dE!C.ision IAI<:'I S I" 0 S C -L 1'1 cl ( ; !!~ . MR. TULJ< : Mr . ~3 p (~a k E! r . MR. SPEAKER : The hon. th,,~ rn(·HnbE!r for Foqo . MR. TULK: Mr. SpeakE!r, the Pr·erni.er·, hE!rE! I IAiill F·ishE!d .es. I I haue a question for but sine~:! hE! is not asl< thE!

M:i.nist:E!r of presume he is pretty c 1 0 s E! t 0 Ud. s . On Mt~Y 6' in the let. ter· t:o th11:~ P r· tme Mtnist .: er, I·. he day l::hat I~JC~ had thE! debate! hE:'re, thE! PrE!HdE!r f~21. 29

slated that the government was cancelling the contract. Not suspending, I say to the minister, not reviewing, not deferring, or anylhing of that natt.nnE!, but cancell i .ng Lhe contr·act. NotAJ, l::hE! minister has told us they could not. do that., a CabinE!t tTIE!et·.ing could not: do that. I say to thE:1 minister, was that a hasty judgement that we heard in this House by the Minisl::er of Development? Was that grandst:and:i .ng t·.hat t•Je hear·d i .n this House by the Minister of De~Jel.opmE!nl:?

HOIAJ can t.'.l<o1, thE:~ people of Newfoundland, the ftshc,H'rnc ;!n of Nf~IAJF'OI.tndl.dnd, hcu~J cdn thE! fc.:~dE:H'al goVE!tnnment, how can l.: he 1-r·~::~nch, hotAJ can .:1nybody, ·in u i c,~ IAJ of t h e a c t j o n t a k f:Hl by t h E! g o u f:! r· n rn f:! n 1·: , h d u f:! i:·1 n y b o l. '.'i. <'! f i n L h e credibility of this government? Mf~. SPEAKFR: Or·dc'!r, pl.e<.·1sc;!! Th1::~ hon. lflernl:.H;!r' i.s mr.~king i:·1 speech. He has interjected tLIJo or thr<:~e questi.ons ·i.n there, bt.tt H1<:~ han. member is making a speech, not looking for :informaU.on. The hon. the Minister of Fisheries . MR .

RIDEOUT: Mr. Speal<E!r, U11::1 han. gC::Hlt. l<:~man only tJJants t:o seE:~ tJJhat would sat J s F y ~l'i. rns E! l. f . T h c,1 ·fa c t of the matter - I have been through it on s e u e r· a 1 o c c a s i. o n s t o d ~ y , 1-:l·H:! Minister of Development: has been t:. h t" o u g h ·i t i. s t h E:! go v E:11" n 1 n e n 1:. took the decision to cancel the c () n t r· i9. c t . T h r:·1 t lAid s L h 0 d f~ c ·i. s :i () n that governmenl took.

T hf:! :i.nfol"l'fli::tt-.i on pl~ovidE!d t:.o goUE!i"l'lrTif'!l'll: c1 Fe'"' <:L:·11JS foll.ol~J .. ing t h a L d (,~ c:i s :i. on tJJa s that, fin f~ , you Ci:'tn go dhC!dcl <:·1nd c. :·ll'lCf~l. ·l·.ho contJ"acl: .. Nobody J.s say:ing tAlE! could not Ci:11'1Ctc1l. lhf'! contr·i:·\cl :., L2130 May 19, '1988 Uo1 XL. but, by cancelling the contract, there wc1s conl::racted and would have to bE:1 paid out anytJJay, on an $869,000 contract, $700,029 worth of work, including $211,000 t:o C·-Core. What pi>tl~t::y dOE!S thi9.t crov.Jd rE!PY'E!SE!nt, Mr· . SpE!akE!I n? Do they contribute to the P.C. Party?

There was $229,000 to IMD, Mc,1JIIor·Jal Urd.versi l:·.y, and on and on it goes. So the only peoplE! JJJho tJJouJ.d 1osf:! by our· pr·ocf~i::~d"i.ng Lo canCE!l thi s contract would be the taxpayers of 1\lf'!lAJFol.lndl.dnd i:Hlcl l .. abr·aclol". On the othE!r hand, thE!re iH'E! nE!gcit-.i.ations l:hi:-11· Jfli:·1Y lE~ad 1.1 p to conLr ·acLs Lhal:: haUE:1 not yet bE!E!n E!ntE!rE!d into by t h r,, Go

I) e I" n 1 n c;! n t. o ·f C ;:-1 n r:-1 cl a o n atrplanE!S or. on nuclE!ar s ubrna1"'ine s l::hd ·l· . .:'lr'H VE:!J"y, l)f!I"Y s"i.gn t f·ic<:'ll'll:: and could be used . ThJs would h i'l

I) e be,,,! n dono . ·1· h ··i. s '.AJr!i s clonE! . But, on r·~1flE!ct:ion, Mr·. ~~pE!akEH', l.:he only pc,~opl t~ Lo SltfF E:!r' I~Jould b1:! employers and employees of N(>.IAlfOI.JI'ldlc:lnd cHld Ldbr · r~dor· . And on top of that, if that tJJas not bad C.;!nough, you lkJOIIl.d have'! l:.o pe1y the money out anyway. MR. TULK: A supplementary, Mr . Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: A sup p 1 o rrJ(~ n i::i:H' y , l:he hon ·. member fot" Fogo. MR. TUL.K: _,u,. ______ , r"' r .

S p ~1 a k 1::~ r· , ·i s t. h c,~ h o n . g E:! n t: 1 '''! trt a n tell-.ing us that the government reflected on this 1 n Lhe House, l:hE!Y r·eflected on it :in Cabirwt . , r:-1nd s l:"i.ll. Lhc~y d :id no 1:·. I< notv t.ha 1:. there were contracts outstanding, r:-1nd th('!Y cdncel.l t!d t:hf-) dE'!C "L sion on May 6? Is that 1s t.~Jhat he :is t E:! l J. i n g 1 1 s , M r· . ~ : > p H i:-1 k l'! I" ? SOMF HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! ~ No. 40 R2130

MR. SPEAKER: Order·, please! MR. TULK : J: s 1:". h i:'l t IAJ h i:'l L h ~:! :i. s L (.'! J. l. "L n g II s ' r"l r· . S p ~~a k e r·? :r: s L hat how in(:~ f Fe c t: :i v e he ··is tc,, l.l. t ng 11s l.:h.:1L l ~ h · is govennuE•nt :is? Or· did 'they have some ol::hc;!r' l"ed~; on t.o b<:~c!< off i:·1nc:l not do as l:.llE! Premir:'r scdd hf::~ IAJas goi.ng Lo c:lo, st1:1nd 11p f'or' Lhr=! pc~oplE:~ of NeiAJfoundland? SOME HON. MEMBERS: ----· Hear, hr:~iH'! ~.K . .!... RIDEOlH : Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the MinistE!r of Fisheries . MR. RIDEOUT: Mr·.

Spe•aker, thE! han. gE!nt:lE!ITian would really like for this governiTIE!nt: to b(:~ as WE!ak--knee'd on pos'i.l:ions Lhat iH'!::~ -Lmpor Lan t to Newfoundland as :is thE! U bE•ral Party of th:i.s Province;!. Well., Mr. Speaker, it is not going to happen . 40ME HON. MFMBERS: H ~~ C\ r , I'HhH' ! Ml~. RTDFOUT : If we can be;, accused of anything, M r' . 3 p ~~ i.'t k ''' r , 'i. L ·i. s HI H k i. n g 1.·1 n hon~~s l. c,1ffor·t to Ci:lrJCE:1l a cont.r·act t. h <:~ i·. IAJi:'l s ~~ n tor·~~ c:l 'i. n t. o b 1J L h 1'.! g o v e nnn ~ >. n t o f l h i s P r· o v i n c E! i n g o o d f"' 'i. t ~~ .

U p o n r e v J ~:!IAJ , M r . Speakf::H', u.Je found that thE! t a x p a y c,, r· i. n F o r· 1:11 n e o r· i. n M 'i. n g 1 s Sigh or· in Labr·ador· 1.uould haVE! to pay Ollt. in t::1XC~'!SS of $'700,000 anyway and that the only people to suff'E!r \Alou1d be Net•Jfot.lndJ.anclc:H'S and Newfoundland firms. So, Min, Spe,akE!r, thE! dE!Cision u.Ja s taken on l"~~f1E!C l:.:ion, r-:d' tE! r· t.:hC'! facts W(;1rE! k nOlAJrl to us, that this would do noUdng.

It IAJO Ll J. d not L2131 Ma·y 1 9 , 1 9 8 8 Vol XL move d.l.ong Lhr:1 n~~got:'ial~ :ions or bring prE!SSUrE! to bE!ar onE! tAJay or iHlol·.:her', b~:!Ci'lliSO l•JO hilld t:o pdlj Jt out anylAJay, Mr. SpE!akE!r'. It tAJas otJc~r· <:1nd don(;! wtl:.h. Thf:! tnon~=: !IJ tAJdS gone in addJtion to anything 1::1 ·1. ~; r:! . 0 n 1':. h e o i: h l' r· h a n cl , o n contracts that had not yet been dlAldt~d(.~d, l:.h;:-1 1·. i'ldd not lj(! ·l:. bE'!C::!n J.et, L.hese ai"E! rE!al lE!VE!r's l::hc::d.: c .:-~ n b t'' 1 1 s o d l: o I: h o i:-1 d tJ a n t·. a g e o F NetAJfoundland and Labrador. Sor"'F HOI\J.

MF.MB E IW : HE!aln, hear·! MR. TULK : Mr . SpE!aker . MR. SPEAKER: A final supplementary. MR. TULl<: M r· . S p E! a k e r , I s a y to t_ he rrd n ::i s bH' I lAIJ.J.l Rsk him ·JF I hdV(;! Lo lh~~Y did not knot.u that l':.hJ.s cont-.ract. t~Jas go'.ing on fot" rnonl~hs, that it had been awarded months bafore? Dt d he not kno\Al that when hE! met in Cabine't on May 6? Why d:i.d l:hE~Y rn .. 1kr::~ l':.hE~ blund( ;!r', or· tAJhatever it tAJas that they d'.id rn H k (;! , (:~ n c:l c o rn p r' o rn :i. s (;! 1: h ~=! p o s '.i t '.'i. o n of th:is Pr·ovince in thE! Canada Fr·;~1nct:! n~~goi·.

" i;::~t.: - ions? ~)i · ·.and 1.1p ancl l':E:!J.l US! SOME HON. MEMBERS : 1 · 1~~;:·11~, hedr'! Mf~. RIDEOUT : Mr . Speaker· . MR . SPEAKEr~ : The hon. the Minlsl:'.er of Fis heries. MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. SpE!akE!r, any ti.ntE! lAJE• rnt:-lkE• a bJ.unciEH' and "i. t .. i.s macif:, ·:i. n hom~s t.y for UlE! bE!nE!fit of lhE! pE!op]E· of N~wJfoundland and l_abraclor', I tAI:i.Il s land up CHid take tt on the chtn <'HlY day. No. 40 R2131

SOME HON. MEMBfRS : Ht::HH', hc-?.ar! MR. WELLS: Mr. Speaker. MR . SPEAKER: The hon. the LeadE!r of thE! Opposition . MR. WELLS : Mr. Speai«:H', my ques ti.on is for thE! hon. thE! Minister of RuraJ., Agricultural and Northern DE!Velopmen t (Mr. Power). During L h i. s p a s L tAJ E! c;! k "i. t. h a s b E'! E:! n o v t d c;! n t that thE!Y'E! is a rea]. financial problem, or l"i.kely to be a f:i.na n cia J. pro b lE!m at. NE!lAif ou ndla nd E n v i r· o p o n i. c s , ;:q n d 1.: h c;! g o v f'! r n mE:! n 1: otAII'IS SO pE!r' ct:~nL of LhoSE! shat"t:~s.

The-:~ CIICI.IIII~H;!r'S hi.W~~ bOl~rl soJ.J:ing <'11: fifty - nine cents reLail in Nova Scol-.·.i,;:.,, r:'tncl c:·\ppdt' t:!ni..l.y "'i. n l:ho lc1sl:. FotAI days ~>E: !l]:ing hE!t"E:! at.: Lh("! salliE! p r· "i. c t~ . T h t;! q 1 t e s 1:. i o n , M t ' . ~> p E:! C:·\ I< c:! r· , :is hot~J Jong u..Ji11 the goVE!rnm~~nt c1l.l.ow l.:h-i.s l·:o cont.:i .ni.IE:! tAJhE:!n l:he cost of producing those cucumber's is in excess of $1.25 per cucurnmber·? MR. PATTERSON: On a point oF order, Mr. Spoaker . MR. SPEAKER: Or·der, please! A point of order, the han. the member for Placentia. MR.

PATTERSON : I lAIOUld likE! l:he LeadE!Y' oF LeadE!In of UtE! l.•.JE! i:\ln(;! l.iv ·i.ng and the,~ mar·ket MR. ~:iPFAI<EI~ : Or·der·, pl.E:!<:'t ~; (. ~ ! to remind the hon. 1: h E~ 0 p p o s .. i. t"i. o n , L h e ToLling MasSE!S, that "in c:-1 tfliH ' i<E'! 1.: E'!C:onomy decides the prices. T hor·n .. i ~; no po '"i. n1: of or·cler·. ThHI''(! is l·1i:ll.f a1·1 hour· fol" quc~'stion t-.i.rn.::~ L2132 MHy 19, 19BB Vol. X 1.. a n d I d o n o t t: h J n k i. t: intE!rrupted by spurious or·der·. The hon. thE! Leader· Oppo~J t.-Lon . Mr~. WELLS: Thank you, Mr· .

SpE!ab~r. should points of b.:' of I wiJ.l just repeat: my question for 1: he h on . m:i n is t. E! r· . H oto~.J 1 on q to~.ri. 1.1 thE! · governmE!nt al1ot.AI this t:o continue when the cosL of producing those cucumbers i s in excess of $1.25 per cucumber? MR. SPEAKER: ThE! h o n . --·-the A g r· i c Ill. 1- 1.1 r· r:~ 1. DE!VE!lopmE!nt:. Minister of Rural, and Northern SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! Mf~. SPEAKER : OrdE:1r, plc,~aSE!! MR. POWE~: Mr. SpE:'akE!r, T arn abso1ul:el.y delighted to have a questjon about t. hl'::~ Spr'tHtg cucurni:HH'S iHld our marketing arrangement in Nova S c o t. i a .

F o r· a u e t' y , u ('! r· y 1 o n g time this ProvinCE! has had p r· o d u c t s d u 1r1 p (,' d o n "i t f r· o rn o u t: s i d ~~ -· p o t a t: o e s f r o rn P E I , h a y f r o rn P E I , vegetab1es, any kind of produce from any part of Canada. When tht:~y havt:~ ITiiU'in;d:: c.-:!rl a11 acr·oss Canada and they have s ome extra t. h ;:q t 1.: hE~ y c a n not rna r k E~ 1:. , L h f:' y cl u 1 n p it on Newfoundland's marketplace, caus :i.ng 1-.: t " E~mendol . tS pr·oblE!ITIS For Uw far'TTIE!rs in this Pt"ovinCE!. WE:~ Ci.·\nnol". c:IE:!I)E~lop a Sl.tbst·.ant:.i.al agricultural community becaus e we I< E:!

E:~ p tJ l:' 1-.: 1.: "i. n q p I" n d ' 1 c I: s d um p e d i n this Province from ouLside f\JetAJfounclldnd. f\Jnlo~.l, ·is i. L nol··. a l"c,~c~l plei-J.sur'E:! Lhat somebody :in f\J 0

I) r•\ ~3 c (J 1.: "i. i'l -L s t. i·\ k "i. n g d l ·j 1:. 1. 1. (;! b "i L of pain? Somebody in Nova Scotia, No . 4-0 R2l32

the Greenhouse Growers Assoc:iation, have troubles t~>.dl:h marketing thejr Nova Scotia cucumbe:H'S "i.n Nova ~3cot · ta. Ts i.t. not a really strange phenomenon t h a i: IAH~ c a n p r· o d 1.1 c e s o rn c-?. l:: h i. n g "i. n N E!IAif o u n d 1 and , s (':' 11 it in Nov cl Scot:'i.a, and <.'tl"(:! go .. ing l·:.o lfli:'tkc,~ d profit? The Leader of lhe Oppos "i. Lion 1 s ,H'<_:)I.Iltll,Hli··.

Lhi:<tl". 1~1c,~ h;:-wo t.o get $1 . 25 pet~ cucurnbE:~r lo makE! a PI"Ufil·. ·i.s d fRJ.l.,:~cy. ~S J Sd'i.d in the House yesterday in response 1- o q lit~ s +: '.i. o n s F r· o m L h o m o mi:HH' f cw St . l~cu·be:~, I~>.Jho scli.d that if you ~- ( ~ ll. 1. h c~ m f o r· f "i. f l: y -- n -i_ n t::! c l'! n i': ~; i :~ pound you cannot make a pr·ofit, th(:~l: 1~1('! r.tl"(:! go "i.ng Lo SE!l.l. t:hoS(! cucumbers at an average price well in (~xcc~ss of $1.00 per· pound. We,~ at"e going to make a pr·ofit.

And if yo11 look at. l: he cotrnnents in The Evening Telegram today, Lll hi c h I am suI" c,~ at'(;! q u j_ L c,1 a c cur· ct L (:! as most of thEd.r· stor·ies arE!, yot~ read about Nova ScaLia, and it says this f e 11 ow, J i rn KEd. z e r , LIJ h o has a vested 'i.nterest in making sure Sprung fails, thE! same as the Lec:cder of the Oppos i t"i.on and t·:I·H~ Liberal Party have a vested :inter~~ s l: 'i. n rna ld ng SIJr'C;! Spr'LI ng fails,- look at thE:~ opportun :iti.es for n(,~Xi:. Spr'i.ng ·- t:.hts Jtm Ked Lei~, hE!ad of the GrE:~NihouSE! Grot.o~JE:~rs of Nov d ~;) c o 1.: .i. a , s i'l 'i. d MR .

SPfAI<fR : 0 r· cl o r· , p l o ;:·\ ~ ; u ! Th~~ hon. l:.oo l.onq I ask h:itn Ml~. D1NN : minis t:C:!r' t:. o a n ~; t.o~H:! r· t.o conf:i ne Do not answer any UH:!m. Do no l:. c.u1 st.o~J~:! r MR. SPEAKER: Or'dE!r, pleasE!! SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! L2133 May 19, 1988 :i.s tald ng fal" Lh~:! qt.tes+:.-i.on. h-J s cornrnE:HJts ·-· qUE!S t:"ions for Hny Cjll(~sti.ons! Vol. XL MR. POWER : To that po"i.nt of order·, Mr . Speake:1r. MR. WELLS: There was no po t nt of order . Ml~. SPEAKER : There was no point of order . MR .

POWER: ~\l::!ll, :i.n t:h(:·\-1: c;:~sH, Ml" . :3p(~i'\k(~r·, I will rise on a po:inL of order. MR. SPEAKER: A point of or·ch,,r· , l':. h~ ' ! hon. Lhc:! Mintster of Rural, Agricultural c:\nd 1\IOI"l:h(:!l"n novelopln(:!nr . . Mf~.

POWER: w:i"th an.- dUE! r'E!Spect' Mr·. ~)peab: !r'' q1.test · . .i.ons may be ve:1r·y shor··t and very simple and very sLraighLforward, and answers can be rE!asonabJ y comp·.l('!X ancl reasonably complicated. l "he operation that we are into hE!rE!, a very subs~ant i al operation :in Newfoundland employing well in E:1XCC~!SS of /.00 people:!, is :in jeopardy by being ma]ignE!d by thE! l.€~ddr:n· of the Oppos "i.l':: i.on and by some Nova Scotia greenhouse g r ut.•.H:! r s t.o~ri t h u (,~ s 1: e d "i. n t e r· e s t·. s . I do not: :intend, Mr·. Speaker·, to c:~l}OIAI !"hi:·\ 1-. h.) hc,\ppC:'!I'l. SOME HON.

MFMRfRS : l I Hi~ r· , h f'! "' r ! Ml'. SPEAI<ER: Ol"ri~:!r', pJ.~~f:\SCc~! MR. WEI..LS: To 1-:hi:'ii: po:inl-: SpE!ai<E!r. MR. SPEAKER: of Mr . f(;~e---F;().i. n 1:: of or d ~ , , r· , l: h E! h o n . the Leader of the Opposil::Jon. -~ R ...:..... W E .1: ... 1,7 • .§ : Mr. Speaker, I appreci.atE• No. 4-0 R2l33

Honou1~ 1 s r·ultng. For most of this s (~~ s s .. i. o n , rn i. n :i. s 1·: <;! r· s h ifllJ ~~~ f , .. ~~ q 1.1 (;! n t J. y dragged on with the answers and used up Question Period. Your Honour· :i.s quit:.e r·ight, and I agreE! IAJi. l:. h Yo 1.1 r· Honour· c al.l ·i. n g 1.1 s to attel'ltion IAJht:Hl IAJB ar·e making s peeches instead of aski.ng questions. I have no quarrel with 'it.. But t:he same appl.'iE!S t.o bot:h s :ides of the House. 1 apprE!ciatE! You r H on o u r· 1 s r u 1 ~i. n g , iHI d a s s tH' e you that Your Honour is quite r· i g h t . We s u p p o r· 1: y o u e n t .l r e 1 y . SOME HON.

MEMBERS: Hear, hE:1ar! MR. SPEAKER: Or·cler, pl e:1ase! There is no point of order . I th i nk we have been trying for qu:i.tt=?. t:t con~;idE:!nlblE! t'.illlE!

b) ti"Y d n d g o :. d s s h o r· 1: q 11 e s 1: .. i. o n s .:·1 s lAm can i}(l'ld as ~;hor·l:. answE!r's as IAJB can . T !< now ·i. +.: i s d ·i. f f ·i. c 1 11. 1:. d L tirnes . It is difficult for the Chc:li.r·, and 1 knOIAJ t:: i.s di. fFi.ct1l.l~ fol" aJ.l of us, 'but I wouJ.d likE:~ to ~; f:~ 0 r:l l. l. 0 f Ll s c () rn b i. n "i. n g r.~ n d co-operating to try and develop tlri.s half hour of qtH~stJon ·h. 1n~: !. SOME HON. MEMBERS: H (~1 iH' , h e a r ! MR. WELLS: A supplementary, Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A s u p p 1 erne n tin· y , t h 1'::' h o n . Leader of the Opposition. MR.

WELI_S: Thank you, Ml". SpeakE!r . Ml~. POWE I~: Arlol· .-hE!Y' po :lnt of or·dEH', Ml" . Spoai<E~r . Ml~. ~>PEAI<Ff~ : L2134- May 19, 1988 Vol XL A point of order, thE! hon. the rJI:i.nisi:<:H' of f~IH'r-11., Agl" -i. culi':.IH'i:ll and Northern Development. MR. POWER: M r· . ;3 p ~~ ,~ k ~~ r· , 1 h c:-~ v ('! b ~ = ! E:! n .i n 1:: h i s House For twelve or thirteen yr:~ ;:~r·s, s'i. nc1:1 19'75, a nd nobody c an say I arn not co---operi'l·ti .vE:!. I lAJas about: t.o fJn "i. sh c omplE!I·: .. i.on oF an answer, a fair1y complex answer, about market. ::i.ng iH'r·angC:~rn(~~nt.s askE~d by thE! Leader of lhE!

Opposj t :i on. I would like to have the opportunity to comple t e my answer . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hot:'lr, hE!ar! MR. SPEAKER: 6'r~~1 ~~ r· I F-;y (':'J a s e ! There is no point of ord e r . ThE! hon. t:he Leader · of Oppos i. l: ion, ·~" supplE'!III t:!/1L d i" Y. MR. ~~r::u . s : Mr·. SpeakE!r, I have no concE,rn for· 1-.hc'' greE~nhoiiS('! gr'OIAJor· s i .n Nova Scotia . The conCE!r'l'l I an1 express i ng ts on beha l F of the taxpayers of this Province who are pdy ·i_ ng 1.: hE'! acldi . t t onal. cos I· s . NotAl, I ask the min:l s tE!r, Mr·.

SpE!a k E!r': How long wi ll. the government continUE! to alJ.olAJ thE!SE! cucurnbE,rs to be produced at a $1.25 to $1.50 and r'E!quirE! thE! taxpayE1rs of Uds Province to pay the diFFerence? Mf~. SPEAKER: Th(:1 hon. LhE:' Agricultural 0(~~V(~1l.OpiTIC:1nt .. MR. POL'IlER: M"L n i s t c,' r· and of r~tu·al, Nor t hE,rn Mr·. SpE:,akE!r, exactly t hE• s arnE'' CltiE:!sL'i. on, r'!nd 1 t~JOt.il.d l ·ike 1·.-.o 1nake c;,xact:.ly thE! SalfiE~ cHI SIAHH' . SOME HON. MEMBERS: ii E~ ;,n·, lw ;:u· ! No. 4-0 R2134-

MR. POWER : If those are the rules of the House, HHHl he can ask t.he sarnE! question tlJ.Ji c E! thE! n I can givE! thE:' same answer twice . Mr·. Spr:1al«;!r', LI·H:! r•oalit:y is, if you look at l:Jd.s M1~. KeiZE!r frorn Lh~~ GI"~'!E~nhoi.IS('! GI''OIAif!Y'S 1 Association of Nova Scot:i.a, thE!Y are really concerned, they are r· e a 11 y a 1 a r ru (~ d I:Hc1 c a u s E:1 tAle a 1~ E! 9 0 i n 9 t 0 p r• 0 cl U C ~~ o:•1 p I" 0 d I I C 1:: h f;!

I" U rno I" e E! f f :i. c :i r:nrt 1 y , cheaper than L h c,1 y can p r· o d 11 c ~~ l". l·w rr1 in f\J n t.J a Scot:ir..t, which i s tAihdt we sa:i.d all ~long, !AJhi ch I: hey for· 't:hei .l" tH1S 1-:t~cl :i lltE:!I"E!Sts and the;! LJ.bE:11~aJ. par·ty 1 s V E! S 1.: c:! d ·i. n ~. : (c1 Y' E:! S l:·. H cl IAIO 1.1 1 cl l'l 0 l: d 9 I" Cc1 U t.o . Now, thr:1 facts ar•c,1, Mr. SpeakE!r, t:.hi'l t :i. n ·t.h is l·lo11 s e I:. hE! r'E:1 hd s t:o bE:! a CEH'tain amount of !:ruth invo1VE!d in both questions and answers. ThE! Leadt:H ' of Lhe Opposition says :it tc:tkes a $1 . 25 to pr·oducr-?. a cucumber.

That, :if not a J.je, is a del.iber·a·te misint :er·pretal : ion of the facts of how we produce cucumbers in this Province . I t i s i n a c c u r a ~. e , M r . S pea k e r· . I t: is untrue. It is something that will be said by the Greenhouse GrotAJers in Nova Scotte:1. It 1.uill noL b~?. sa 'i. rl Lhi.·1t: ~ : he-?. fl(:!opl.t'! t•Jho u nd CcH' stand -· Mf~. SPFAI<Fr~ : Ol"dC·H', plc->.ascc1! ~lOr~ F. !iOI\J . 1'-1 F.M B!: RS : H e a r· , he a r· ! Mf~. !3PF::AKF.R: ·tkdE:H', plectse! Th E:1 hon. lrt"i.ni s t.(>.r' Si·1ys l.:l'w Lc.~r.·1dr-H' of the Opposition dE<l:ibE!I"at.eJ.y tni s l ,,,!(j t.: h (:!

H ()usE! . :r: f ~: h i.'l t.: 1Ali~1 s not -,JJhat hE! saj.d it j s what hE! i rn p l ·i c->. d , . a n d T a s k h j , rn '1:. o tAd t h d r· i.H•.J L2135 May 19, 1988 Vol XL that . MR. POWER : Mr. Speaker, I wjthdraw.

I Wcls go :in g b a c k to IT1 y E:1 <H'l :i. <.H' d i;l y s <:,}, s an educator, trying t:o inform . 1 IAri. t.: hd r· C\IAI U·lE! wo r· d d (:1 1. j , bEt r· a l: 1?. • If not inforrnE!d, thE!Y ar'E! poor1y tn·for·rn( :!d. 1 . cannol:. s ;·:iiY 1 del:ibE !rate 1 , but if thE!Y arE! not conniv i ng wit:h the Greenhouse Growers jn Nova Scotia, or ~;c:nnohody 1:!ISl:!, to 1r~e1kf! ~;tll"e l·:.hat: we lose money in this Province, l:.hc11'. IAHc1 cannot Ct'(~t:'tlE:! indiJstr·y ~in this Pr·ovince, that 'indus Ll":iE:! S f' r· o rn o 1 1 ·1 ... s i d e c ;;1 n f 1 1 n c t .i o n b e l'. t .

E:! 1~ t h a n o u r· s , t h e n , M r· . ~) p "! cl k E! r· , I i·h~VO 1'.:·0 So~·1Y l:hdi". t.hf'! l.er::tdl;!r' of t:hE! Opposition, iF noL misinformed, h1-1s "'i·r·e1n~~nr.lou~; lack of know1E:!clge about what is happening in N(~IAJfOLindlRnd.

T h e fa c t·. t s , M r· . ~:) p e <:1 k c;! r· , t: h i!t L. t: h 1:1 GreE:Hlhouse GroiAJers :in Nova Scot:.i .cl cl r e v c-:t r· y c o n c C'! r· n e d b c;! c a u s e y o u know what? we are going to cor·rHH' the rmH·ket on this pr·oduct in Nova Scotia and in rnany parts of Eas t·.EH'n Can<:~da as IJ.JE! br·.ing on stream more of the Sprung typt'! of facilities in Newfoundland. We are going to corner a lot: of rnar·kc;!t . fol" pr·od11cE~ "Ln Canada and nobody is goJng to stop us. SOME HON. MEMBERS : J-l(~dr', h<,'dr'! PREMIER PECI<FORD : A fH) .. i. n 1 ·. o F or· d EH' , M r· . ::; p n i;1 k e r· . M!~.

SPEAKER: A point of order, Lhe1 hon. thE'! P1"r,1rn"i.or·. · PREMIER PECKFORD : 1\1 r· . ~ : )p e a k ~'! r· , T j 11 s 'l:: go t :.i. n !· o t: h E• HoUSE! a couple of m:i.nutc~!S ago and T l. .. i s !:'. ('! n o d c H r· e F u 1 l y t . o tAl h a !-:. h a s gone on in the last few minutes. No. 40 R21.35

Your llonour· r'fll.f~d l:.ha1: l:ho rui rd s t coH' g r...v e t-oo 1 on g an an s lJJE:1 r . T h d L ·i. s Y n 1 1 r' H o no 1.1 r' 1 s r' "i. g hi: L o do . Hco1 gauE.~ too long an f.HISIAier to a q 1.1(:1 S '1·. i. 0 n 01 S k f~ d by t-.1 H'! I.~~ d c:llH' 0 r t hE~ 0 p p o s i t.. l o n , a n d i t w a s r' u 1 ('! d 1·. h • '~ 1.. h (~ C 0 I tl. d rl 0 1.: (-- .i. l'l "i_ S h h j S a n !~ l~HH' a n d y o u r-eo~ c o g ni z e d l he Leader of the Opposition . The'! Leadl:.~r· of l.:hc-?.

Oppos"i.l:. ·i.nn got up a second tirne, since Your Honour r·ul.E!d t:hdt. he cou1cl 9E!t. up on a stApplementar·y, and asked thE! s arne q u e s i:. i o n t: hE~ s ~~ c o n d l:. "i. me t h a ·t he had asi<E!d thE! first.· time. It was essentially the same questi.on. What is sauCE! for thE! goose is sauce for the gander. I r·-Lse on a potnt. of or·clc:!r' Lo ask Your Honour lo look at Hansard - Mf~. SIMMS: B e a 1.1 c h ro' s n e .

PREM'[FR PECKFORD: Wco<J J, to look at Br:1auchesnE!, but 1':.0 look e\1.: lii:HlSdl"d i:-\5 l:O IJH:! l:ldO quest:ions the Leader of the 0 p p o s i 1·: i o n d s k P d , ;:~ n d ~; n E! lAJ h (;! t h r•! r' cH' not is does nCJt faJ.l undE~r r.1. t1 <:! d U C h ro~ S n f~ I" f'! f (:~ t' f~ n C l,~ , p r:\ g E! 1 ?. 9 , 1 7 1 (d) 11 A quE! s t ion or' a 1 or lAir :i Lt. E! n must nol.:: r'f:!per:·\·1··. Jn Sl.tbsl:anco ;~ quHst :i Ol'l alr·eacly iHl!)IAJE!r'ed, or to t.•.Jh"lch an anst.•JE!r' hds br:1E!I'l r'f>.fi.JS~:.cl. 11 MR. SIMMS: Totally out of order .

PREMIER PECKFORD: So if Your Honour, is trying to bring rational order to this Charnbet", and you hauE:1 lE:~giU. mat:E!]y ruled lhe minister out of order because his answer· was l:oo long, t h c;! n I 1:: h l. n k ·i t o n l. y fa oi. r· F o r' You r· Honour to reuiew the proceedings of UlE! last. numb~H' of ITI"i.nLir.c,1s and I"Ul e UtE! l .. c,,acJ E! r of thE! Op posit: ion otll' : of or'dEH' on h . i.~; supplolfH ,1nhu·y qtH:'st::ion. 1..2136 M;:~y 1.9, l9HB \Jol. XI SOME HON . MEMBERS: Hear·, hE!ar·! Ml~. SPEAI<ER: . r 0 1.: hi.~ t p 0 i n t:. 0 F 0 l" d (;!

I" ' L hE:! h 0 n . the Leader oF the Opposition. MR. WELLS: On i:hE:! SpE!aker, p o j n ·1·. u F o r· d c;! r· , fVl r' . there is no difference b ~>, i':IAJ ~!! t1 1'1 myself on nE!!(;!d not that. the hon. Prem-Ler dnd IJ.Jhat thE! rulE!S ar·e, so I wasle time in debating I agrr::!E! !Ad'l:h thE! propos:i.Lion that he put . . It -Ls E>.s~">.nt.ia1ly c o r· r E! c t . W h a t I d :i. s a g r· E! ~:! tAd t: h i. s t.: h a i:. I as h1 d i.'.l q IH! s t "i. on t: hat Llkl s answered, or to which an answer t•.Jas r·efusE:H:I. IL · ' · ~' :'i.111pr·opo1", I agreE!, to re!peat it:.

I did not do L h r\ L , tAd 1:: h L h f:! q r· e a l:: E:O s L of I"E!SpE!Ct:, Mr·. SpE!akE!r. What: I d:id t.•.JdS r·:~sponcl t.o ·l:hE:! rni.nis t·:.r'!Y'' s co mm tHJ t that I tAms ex pI" E! s ~d n g con 1; r'! 1"1'1 i'tbottl". l::h~:! g r'f!! ~'! nhou s e growers in Nova ScotJ~. and he Tfli.·\l:ll:! hi~; r:OiflfiiOl'll·.s 'i.n t.:hat context. It IAJas clE!ar· to ITIE! tl'lat : hE\ 1rd.sundHr'sl:ood rny qii~'!St:ion. fl-1y quesl :i. on I~Ji:t~; expr'E~~;sud "i.n l··. or'lfl~; of thE! interests of thE! l:axpayE!r ' s 0 r~ 1:: h ·j s p r'

l) I) 'i. n c f~ ' i'\ n d I r'\ s k f:! c:l l:: h (!! rn:ln.is ·tE!r jf hE! !JJould teJl Lho Housu hOIAJ long th"~ goUE!r'nrn~:!nt lAJouJ.d aJ.low thts to continue and b c,1 a b u r' d <->. n on HH-?. t: ax p a y e I" s of thE! Province. PREMIER PECKFORD: To that poJ.nt of ord10:1r, tf you tAd.ll. allow m~!. MR. SPEAKER: The hon . the Premier. PREMIER PECKFORD: -· - l t. '.i. s no 1·. d j us t· ... i. F :i. cat. :i. on f o I" t: hE! Leadt1r of t:hE! Oppos:l t:i.on Lo gE:d:. up i:tnd sdy l:l·lr'\1: l::hu rwi.nisi :: E!r' did not-., 'in h:is u:iE!lJJ, omnipotent though hE! 1\lo . ll.() r~?. u 6 I ,\-_

thinks it is, qu~~st. -i.on. That hc~s 1.o~dth BeauchesnE!. ansi.\Jer thE! nothj .ng t.o do Even :if the quE:~sl:ion I.•.Jas not c~nsiAJered, E:~ven .if h.:~ l"efused to answm· it, the rules cH'e clr:1cH', and not bas E!d upon Lhe ~~ubstanCE! of thE! ansWE!r. NeJther LhE:~ L(:~acler· of the Opposition, nor any membr:1r, can rept1at in substance L:he Sc;(lfle quE~sl-:.i.on a SE!Cond tirnE!. RregardJ.es s of what t:h('! LE:1ader· of t:he Oppos·i . l:.-.i.on St-ly s about the grE,~Hihouse groiA.IE!Y'S in NO!Jc:~ ~)COL " ii:~ or· r ·i.lflbukl-:11 i+: h;·,,~, nothing to do 1.o~d.l:h it.

It is a c 1. f~ d r· IJ ··i. o 1. d L ·i o n of · 1··. h (~ r· 1 1l. f'! s . [ r I: h (~ M "i. 11 i. s 1:. l'! i" 0 r f~ I I r· d l. , Flgr·J.cultul"al and N<.H'thern 0E!V(~l.oplllc:1nl: ·is going 1-.o b:=! bro11ghl : to h~H:!l b.:1caus~~ h(;! was l:oo long, OVf:!l'l l:h0119h ITif~lnbet'S oppc)S "i.I·.H hi:\l)l '! l'llddE~ quc;,sl·:-io1·1s go on fo1" Lhl"eE! and f 0 II r· lfl:'i. 1'1 U t.: f~ !) 'i. l'l i. h i. S 1·1 0 U !) t'! 0 \) E! I" thE'! Jctst.

Sf~VE!I"a] IAIEHd<S, then, in LhE~ Sc\lne tl.Jay <.·\~> l: hE:!t'(:1 i:'lt'C :' r·ul.E!S for this side under Beauchesne, and ther'E! arr:1 r·ul.e:1s for· that. s:-i.d(-?. too. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear·, hr:1cH'! MR. WELLS: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Thc,1 hon. the of the Oppos ·. i.t:..ion. MR. WF. LI...S : J hc:1.ve a br·i<o1f responSE!, Mr· . :3pE:!dl<(;,r·.

T IJ.ri.'ll. ab·i c:!~=' by 'to1.1r' Honour· 1 s I"Ul :ing, l.o~Jhab~VE!r' J.t l.o~Jr.ls. l i'·\gr·O('! l.:he l.:op ·i.c: IAJf·\S i.:hr~ Sdllll~, b u 'l. h f:1 r E:! :i. s IAJ h a t B e a u c h (,1 s n (,1 s a y s ;·.,boul·.·. dl'lSIJ.Jf'!I '' S , p;:-\gt~ l.:l l , pdl''c,\gr·•·lph Jr.)a, sub--pc:H·agl"aph 2 ·- Mf~. DJNN : Your point of order l s no goorl! MR. ~3IMM~3: L213 7 May 19, 1988 VoJ. XL. W.:1 are tal king about qUE!Stions, no 1:. anst•.Jeo1r·s. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR. WELLS: f--a m r· (,~ s p o n d .i n g t o i. t . PREMIER PECKFORO: You are breaking the rules again . MR.

SPEAKER: ()r-d c:H', pl. 0 (',\ S E:1 ! T "'rn p r· r:! p c.'\ r· e cl i·. u l. i s 1-.: H n 1··. o L hE'! Hon. the,Leader of the Oppo s i t ion . MR . WELLS : rht'Hll< YOII. Mr·. SpEH'li<EH' . r-1r· . s p t~ d k e I" , 11 ~~ "' 11 c h P s n r:, , p a g ~ ' ' 1 3 1 , par·agr·aph 3SH, sub ·-·par·agr·aph (2), S•'\YS: 11 Ant:IAJ(~I"S l-:.0 GJUHS l:. i.ons ~;;hou1d bE! as br·ief as possibJ.E,, shouJ.d dedJ. I~Ji . l::h l'.·.h(;! lrli:ti.l:.E!I" l"di.SI :'•ci, and should not pr·ovokE! debatE!." Now, Mr. Speaker, in those ci.r·cwnst.ances it. was nHCE:1SSiH'Y For me to ask the question I d :id on supplc-?.rn<:Hl-tiH'Y.

If Your· l·lonour · feE1J.s it IA.Ias irnprop~;:1r, I abJdE! by . Y o u r· H o n o u r· 1 s r· u l-i. n g . T h C:H' r:1 i s n o probJem. PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: r h <o' h 0 n . t. h (;! P r' E! trri. e r . PRFMIFR PFCKFORD: There he goes again!

I a1r1 not go:i.ng to s:lt in my p1ace -Ln i·.h "i. s l · lo11~ > e, i'\~; a liiC.:!rni:H'!I" oF 1:-.h .is House who has been here s1nce 19'7?., ,..,1nd ~ ; e~: ' lhu l"lll f:!S oF t.his HouSE! bE,J.ng abusE•d by l:he LE•aclel" o f 1-. h e 0 p p o s ·i 1.: -j o n , IAJ h o c o 1 n E:! s i n h e r· e a n d t: r· i e s t o t a kE:' L h :1 s p J. a c e on h'i s l:h·\ck, Mr·. ~ipr:,akr:,r. No. 4·0 R2137

SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE!iH', hear! PREMIER PECKFORD : That -.inhH'VE!I'll::ion by thE! I E:1adE:H' of t:ht,1 Opposi.t ion lAid~) Olli·: or Oi"df'!r' on t f I ~~ p 0 j I' I '1. 0 f 0 f' d ~~ I" . SOMF liON. MFMB F R!3 : HE!i'..ll" I hE!iH'! MR. SPEAKER: Ordel", please! I r.liTI no ·l: at all surE! you can bE! out of or·dE!r on a point of or·cle::!r', but that is beside the point . SOME HON. MEMffERS: Oh, oh! AN HON. MEMBEr~ : Challenge his ruling! MR . EFFOIW: ----------Namr::1 UlE! rnE!Inber·. MR. SPf.AKFR : Order, please! Order, please! T am going to look at Hansard. 0 b Vi. 0 Ll S l. lj i··. h C'! p 0 'i. l'l i: (.) f

I) I" ell:! t' 1~/d S {.•1 l"f:lpet:ilion of a question that had d l. r c,l ;" d 1J b o f:! n '" s k ~=! r:l . T. i"·1 rn g o "i. n g I: o look at that and rule on that rrli'l 1·: L e r· r:=! -i. t h c-:• r·· i". 0 I flO r· I" OIA/ or· on Tur:~sdc:Ay 1·1ext. MR. WFLI..S : I have a Final supplementary if thE! r· P "i. s .::tny li.rnr:?. lr::!fl·., Mr·. Spt,1aker. MR. SPEAKER: ThE:l tiniE! for Oral QUE!Stions hclS long ago expired : I would like to welcome to gallery the President of Pr·ovinc:.ial. Adv-Lsor·y Council on Status of WomE!n, Ann Be11. the-?. ThE! the L2138 May 19, 1988 Vol XL MR.

LONG: On d po-i.nt of Ol"dr:~r, rJtr·. ~3pedker. MR. SPEAKER: A point of Ol"dE!r, thE! hon. the IIIHrnber· For· ~:)1 : . John 1 s F<:'t!d: . MR. LONG : T h rHl !< lj 0 1.1 I rJt r . s p E! o'l I< E! r· . It IJJas my understanding 1.~1hen the door·s opE! ned tod;;1y 1".-.i'ld l·:. 1.1J(;! tAJouJcl proceed with Question Period and t:hen, r· .. i.ghi:. dfl(:!r' QuE~st· .. ion PE!r·iod, tAJe would hE!ar thE! Mj nistE!d.a1 :.1ta r!'::Hfl(;!n t by l.:ht'! Pr·ern:i.c·H'. So before IAJe gE!t into OrdE!I"S of' thE:! Day, I th:i .nk now tJJoul.d bE! the time, as agreed upon, to havE~ ti'H:! M-in"i.stc.;!r·-.ial. Stat·.

E!ITIE!nl: r · aLhE:~r than interrupU.ng OrdE!rS of Hw Day at i't l.<:t·t:.r:>.r point .. MR. SPEAKER: Or·dE!r, pl.(;!aSE:!! As I understood it there was a t; (:! r y d E'! F i. n i. t·. E>. 1.1 n d E:! r· s t a n d i. n g t hat the U mE! that the han. the Pr·orn:i E! r ~~idS go .. i.ng l:o not dE:'finJtE!. lfli:tkn i'l !> l>'rl:.E'!HIE'.I'll: ll./dS It was more or less 1~1h:~n l.h!~ hon. loi'H:! Pr·r:wl'i.r:H' had colliE! and it: couJ.d bE:1 arranged. fJ.~..fMIER .J>FCKFORQ_: T ;:1 1 n r· n i-1 d 1J , M r· . ~) p n a k ''- r' , cl e p E:! n cl :i n q o n t: IH~ r' ul e s of t. h t~ H o u s e . r-1R.

SPEAKER : The han. the PrE!IldE!r, by ] r:>.ave? SOME HON. ME'MBE I~S: By leave! MR. SPEAKER: T h '"' h on . the P r· E:! rni r:1 r . Statements by Ministers [By LE:1i'1Ve] ·No. 40 R213 8

PREMIER PECKFORD : Mr. Spr.::1al<er·, I arn pleased 'today to announce changes which w.Lll gl"l.':1atly E!nhance tl'lE! status of women portfolio in this Province. In 1985 government announced the establishment of the Women's Poli.cy Off"i.cc,1 to act as a CEHll::r·al. co-ordinating agency for women's 'issues IJJithin gov(~n11nent ..

Si.ncc"! its est:abl:i.shrnent, thE! office has conducted r· l,1 s c,1 c.~ r· c h 1.·1 n d cons 1.11. 1-. c,1 d with departments and women's gr·oups on Jssu~'!S •'1S v.:1r•i.od i;)S ch:ild car·c,1, ernploymE!nt lniLiaLiues, ~pprenttceship, htwsing nE:H:1ds, IAJ:i.fe bi.'tttering, and s L u d f'! n t . <~ i. d . T h <~ of:-F ·i. c c,1 h d s pubJ ishE~d or·:i.g:inal r'I01SE!arch cl 0 C l.lliH~ n i: S (I 1'1 IAJO Ill U 1'1 i. 1'1 1101'1-- t:.l"i.'ld:i -t--..i Ol'li'd tra::i.rd.1·1g, the l'!COI'lOIJI"Lc coni --_I" "Li:JIIL-i.on of IAJOIIInn' s lAJOI"k to ti-1(,1 comrnurLi Ly, and Lhc;! E'!

F F r~ l; 1:. o-f h o 1.1 ~; f:! h o l d ·---I:J '-" ~; E'! d -i. n c: o 111 <·:! suppor·-L pi"091"a1Tirri(:!S on IAJOITHHI. I l:s c on11111.1 n "i. 1.: y r:11~1a r· en f'! s s rn<:·l n u "'l on 1.1ri. f' ~=! batbH'-.i ng and its CiH'ec,n· booklE!t For· young womi.':Hl h<HJC,1 ~HHHl distributed Province-wide .

In addil-~:ion, in "i.l: s l:.I.~Jo year·s of ex:i.stence, the~ office has sponsor'E!d two wajor conferences, onE! for FE!male high schooJ st.:t~dE!nt:s fr·om across 1:-.he Pr·ov"inCE! on the importance of making :i n f o r·1 n E~ d c a r· e c-:l r· c h o ·.i c E:! s , a n d anothE:H' for f~;!male rnernbE!rS of g o v E! r· n mE! 1'1 t b o a r· d s , m u n i. c i p a l. councils, and development assoc"i.attons on how 1:-.o be effective :i.n placing women's --i . ~;sues on l·:.hu public t:lqE:!ndtil. Mr·. S~H~i~li<C'!r', IAJOITHHI's - i . ~;suos, by t. h ~d !" v E:H' y· nat lH' Co~ , a I" E! d J v E! r s E:~ .

T n f ,-,t c -:.-. , IAI o HI(! n ' ~; ·i_ ~; ~; 1 1 ~=! ~; <H' n .. i. ~; s 1.1 (! ~; of concel"l'l l~o a]] of us, but. i~r·o u F l.:e n c ,., -ll(;!d IAJOIIIf:! n' ~; "i. s ~; 11 u ~; (! ·i_ Uli'! r' I:H~ c iillJ s ~~ ·1·: hey a f f E! c t IAIOTriE! n most., o I" br-'!Ci''tiiSH IAJOIJI('!rl hatJt'! be011 ins t.J" u mE~ n La 1 i n b r· in g :in g the rn L o l. h c,~ p u b l. i c ' s <:·1 L 1.: f'! n 1:-. "i. o n . r· o r· L2139 May 19, 1988 Vol XL - example, womHn lobbied For equality in appointments l:o goVE!r'l'll'rl(:11'l-l: bo<:'lt·ds and cormrd.ssions.

In 198S the AFf:irrnal:-.ive Actlon ·rasl< Force report recomme!ndE!d that:. govE!rnrnE!nt. make every alternate appointment female until thE! total compos:l tion of boards reached ~0 per cent. Cabinet, in rE!V 'iE!W'ing t.he r'E!COHIIf1(:11'ldat:ions oF 1:-.1'11.':1 t:.ask foi"Ce, accepted this recommendation but r· d -, s ~.;! d 1-.: hE~ o v c;! r· ~~ l. l c o 1 n p o n 1:! n 1: t. o 50 pE!rCE!nt. As a rE!SUJ.t of th:i.s pol. -i. c y , 1:. h P o v E! r· all ·f E! ITI i:it 1. ''! composition of government boards hms r·"i.stHl fr·om 23 FJ(.;!r' CE!n-1-. f:o 34- per cent in two short years. SOME HON.

MFMBERS : fTc,~~~- hE:! .:1 r· i------- PRFMTER PFCKFORO: Since the scope and variety of IAJO I" k on I~JOHil:! n ' s ·i ~; s 11 e s r· E:! achE:!!> F i:'l t' bey o n d t hE! b o u n d a r· i ''1 s o f iHI y o n f' d ~;! p iH' 1-J'IIl;! 1'1 1-. , f. i!l Ill p l E~ i''l S H cl l.: 0 announce that government has dr,1cld•HI l:o sl.: r'E!I'l9 I': hen Lhc,1 mr.~ndate of the Women's PoJ.icy Office by making "it a branch of F.XE:'Cut:::i.ve CounciJ.

Its nE!W st:al::us as a c e n t r· a l. a g E'! n c y IAI'.i ll E~ n a b l c;! :i. t 1: o liaise effectively with any and t:o~ll depart.rnenl':.s to adu·:Lsc.;! on and assess the impact of their pol.-i.ci.E!S and pr·ogr·r.~mrnc,1s on IAJOinl~n. ThE! nE!W J.ocation of thE! offtCE! in Ex (:1 c u 1: -L v E~ Co 1.1 n c i l IAJ:i. 11 r· c,1 a f f ·:i. r· rn government's understanding of IAIOirJE!!I'1 1 S -i.SSIH1S dS mul t:i--dirnE!nsional, lAJh:Ll.E:! at. l:ho ~; r.HfH~ i.: · i . lllr~ .rf'!spectlng that r'E! s pons i bi 1 'i ty for improving Lho <-~,;on o nri c i.-1 n d S 0 C ·_-i_ ;-.) 1. ~; {:. d 1·:.

I I S 0 f' wornE!n r'E!Si:.s w:i.th all government d (! pd I" hnr~ n 1. ~; . T o:trn •'tl.•;o plu<'l~;Hcl 1-.o anJIOIIncc;! 1:. hat l:h(;! !:hE! hon. thE! Pr'E!S:id(;!nt of COIII'lC·i l, L:h:~ hnn. l.f:!l'l ;;) i IIIITIS, IAJ"i. ll. hold LhE• por·LfoJ.io of MinistPI" f~<~spons ·i.bln for· 1: h <-~ ~> 1- c.'l1' us of No. 40 R2139

Women. Mr. d C:Hno n s ·t·:r·ated Stmms has h'is '.interest dlr·eady in and c ornrn-i. t.rnc~ n 1': 1-.o IAJOrnc;! n 1 s i. s sue~; . As President of Treasury Board, he has bE~E:!I'l i.nsl:Y'IIIIIE:!I'll ·.dl i.n J"Hcornrnenc!Jng LiAJO recent pol'icy ·i. n 'i. I: 'i. ''' L·. "i. IJ ~'! s ,~ o r· p u b -, ·i, c s EO! t' IJ ''' n ·1·. s E:!quaJ p;·~y for· IAJor·l< of c;!qua1 vaJ.tH:~ ;:1nd "' pons ·ion p-l,ul For· p.u·l: •l: "ifiH'! IAJO I" i<lo! I" S . Roth th(~sn '.in'i't'iativE!S afrect IAJ o 1 n (;! n s 'i g n "i.

F "i. c "' n 1:. l y , ,., n d IAJ"i, ll gi"Patly E!nhance t.hC:l r:'conomic sl:r-11'.us of r-"Hifli'll.E~ Plllpl.oyeos. A~; c:l s E! n i o I" c c\ l:.d nEd: rrd n i s t e I" , he lAd 11 C:HlSL!r'e i:haJ.: IAJ0lfH>.I'l1 S i.~;sues rH' CC! d C:~ a 1 t IAr:i t·. h a t l: h e h :i g h E! s t J. e v e 1 , a n d U1 !:\ t. t h C:~ .i. rn p c:~ c t o f 111 A j o r· govenlHIE!nt po] icies and programmes o n tAl om c:Hl C.'l r E! c o n s i d E! r· e d . r•'lr' . Sjrnms will provide the women of Lhis Province wiLh a strong dnd committed representative within Lhe provincial government.

To fur·ther· strengthen thE! portfolio, 1': he A s s t s tan 1-. De p u t·: y M i n :i. s t. E! r· f o t' women 1 s issues will report d :ir·e c l:.ly to lhE:l rni rl'i. s hH', thE:! President of Treasury Board. This mE~ an s t.: h r'11:: 1: he con c r:) r· n s p r· C:) s 1::) n 1-. E'! d by IAJOITJE!I1 1 S gr'OUpS IA.Jil1 rE!CEd Ve prolflp t cons i.d o r·;,d ·. ion i:il nd IHld ·i. IJ i d f~d attE:1nt.ion. Thee! r·E.~quE~s t fo1" CE~ntrf.ll ag < ~ncy sl·.t'll:us F'ol" l:.hn ~'lcllliOn 1 s Pol. i,;y Offj c•~ IAJa!; r·ecom1nendti:H~ by lhE! P r· o 1ri. n c-i ,., l. A d 1ri. s o t · y C o u n ci l . o n U1 10!

Sl:at:us of WornEHl and support:.E!d by 0 l::hf!!r' IAI01fiEH1 1 ~; 91"0Uf>S. 'f'h'i.~; rr!OlJO IAii.'J.S CJ.lso st.r•ong]y supportE!d by the f o I" 1 11 e r· nri n 'i. s hH' s , .. H s p o n s '.i. b l t:! F o I" thti:l Status of Womc:1n, the hon . Charles Power and l:he hon. BL11 Mal U1 1::11Al s . I a rn p 1 e a s E! d t hat Ud s slrengthening of the offi.ce wtl.l fur·'LhE!r dE!rnonstr·atE! our· comrnitrnE!nt t o a c h :i. o v i n g L I" 1.1 r,) el q u a 1 j . l.: y F o r· NeiAJfoundlc-.\nd IAJOTnE!n by UlE! rnost Co!F'fecl·:i.Vr:1 rnE!ans al: our· d'.i.sposal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker .

L211W May 1.9, 1988 Vol XL SOME HON. MEMBERS : HE!ar·, hear! MR. SPEAKER : l'hH hon. l.ht·'! Opposition . MR. WELLS: --·----· ·--·-f-'1 r· . ~: ) p t· ~ d k rc! r' , T A 1~1 E! l. C () I f)(C! the t.hE:! announcco!TTlE!nt . lot oF s 1: ~~ i·. ':! lliC'! n '1: rio H s n o +·. , .. , cl c:l tJ t'! I"' y rn 1.1 c h , but the announcE!TTIE!nL :is good .

ThE~ P r' f;! rrr i t:! r· 1 s a n no 1 1 n c E:! 111 E:! n 1-. • IAJ h "i. c h appears on Page 3 of his s ·1·. i:-1 1·: r,) 1 n E:! n L , L h d 1: h t~ ·i s q o i. n q t o stre!ngthen t.l'w mandatCo! of lho Wo1THH1 1 ~> PoJ ·i.cy Off "i.ce by r'nc1k .ing :it a br·anch of ExecutiVE! Counc'i1, and by i:1 p po -L n 1". ·i. n g L h c,~ P r· <'! s :i d C'! n t o f \::hE.~ Council to be the minister r· E:! s p o n s i. b J. 1·:! , 1'.: h a L .i. s g o o d .

I t rn <.'1 y bE! bE!I'lE:)fj cial, :it rnay :i. ndE!E!d he] p r'Hl d i i: may g i v e t +: a l'l'.i. q h t'! r prtority IJJithin governrnE!nl·:, ancl IAI01fiE!n1 S -i.SSLIE!S nE: !E ~ d H higher• priority within government. But we wiJl bE! r't::"aJ.Jy trnpln E! SSE:•d, M r . S p E~ r:·1 I< c~ r· • 1.1J h E~ n 1:. h E! 9 o tJ E:! r' n rn E:! n t provides morE! funding for safE! h o 1.1 s c,~ s f o I" b H 1·: 1·: c;! r· H d IAJ 'i. v ('! s , prov:ides rnore fund:ing for day care Fc:·1 C"i.l."i 1" i:C:'S I rHld pt'OU"i ,riE:!S lflor·o day care fac'.ilities around the P r· o tri . n c H .

T h ~HI IAH~ I AI' i. ., "1. I:H:! r· E:! ''' ll y impl"esed. For· tht~ mornen t th::Ls J.s HltH' I;! r' () 1"111 1'. h ;:Hl ~;II b s 1.: i~ i 1 c ::! I d l. t:. l·w II q h j t :i. s a mo v o in thE'! I" :i g h t d ·i. r' C:! r; L i. o n d n d y n1 1 c d n 11 o 1': h r::o l p b u 1'.: COTillfiE!I'ld the gOVC:1Y'I'liTIE:!nt for· :it: . . But, Mr. SpE!akE!In, tL :is TTIOI" E! a cl,.-:t·i.m of pt~l"f'OI"HldnCE~ i".hdn J"~:!i'l.1 pE!rformancE!. When IAJ~~ SE·E~ thE: ~ government giving real a LtE:!nt :i on to the day care needs and thE! nE~eds for· bc:li:i· : r::•r ·•~d wornC'!rl PI"OVil'lCE!, lhE!I'l LIJE!

IJJt J.J be i1npr ·ps s ~ : !d. SOME HON . MEMBERS : Hear, hr:lar! 1\Jo. IW in Lh'.is l"E:!a11y 1?2111·0

MR. SPEAI<ER: rho hon' I.·. he lneml:)(!t' Few !H.' John Is Er-1 st. MR. LONG: ThRnk you, Mr. Spe~ker . W-i. t:hout r·c~sc:H'vation. tAlE! wc:~lcome the announcement by the Premier and see it as a very positive in::ltiative. It was only c~ couple of weeks ago, in the Estimates Committee, that I made represent~t1on to the minister Y'E~sponsiblE! at that time, thE! M-i. nt st. EH' for Car· c~ (H' 0(~ v r.~ l.o plfi(HJi· .• cHid hi-ld qu:i'l ..

E! an open discussion i;t b o 1.1 t s o 1111:! oF t:. l·w p r· (>. s s 1.1 r· c·:! r-1 n rl strings that were under the Women 1 s Pol'i.cy Off'i.cc,~, .:1nc:l solnc,~ oF t !·1c'1 diff-.icuJ l·iE1S j n defining i:'l c 1.1~ ,,,,.. r· o ., c~ for· ·i L. , s 1-. ,., 1:. -i. u n c:~ d , ,., s :it IAif.IS, IAJ'.i.t:.h iHlOther depar'liTIE!nt. A l '!'· !·1 i'l l: t· · .. i.1'11 (~ , t. !·1 (~ 1'1'1 :i n ·.i s t. (~ I" i. n d ·i c •.'1 1: 1 '! c:l 1·. h H I· t: l·w IAJ h o 1 H s 1-. r· 1 1 c L 11 r· : ;! of thE:! office.;! IAJclS under· rE!V:i.eiAJ. So ~~H~ d r· n q ll"i. Lt:! pl. o r.·l s :H:I i:. o ~; cH'!

Lhctt, :in fact, the init.iatiVE! has l:lt:! on Ld b:! n to g ·i. \Jf~ LhE! Wo1nr.~ n • s Policy Office a higher proFile and Lo 1nor~(~ cl.c:!drl.y t1sLabJ ·i.sh ·i. l·: as an agE'ncy on ils own, IAdth a ministE!r directly responsible who ts obviously a SE!rl'ior minister in l:he govc:H'I'Hnent. We IAJOI~ld have sorne concer·n, T guess, in that the minister who h a s I:H:~ e n rna d 1:~ r· e s p o n s i. b l <-?. f o r L h i. s por·tfolio is obviously a very busy g c-?. n t.l. c:Hna n : He ·L s 1:: he H o us f'! LE!CldE!r, hE! is i..hE!

Pr'E!s·idE!nt of Lhc,, Executive Counc .ll., he ls Lhe President of the Treasury Board. MR. I'"FNWTCI<: lh! -is"' jar:k · - of ·· •'l " ll-· l·.r·.-H:I(:!~; . r~ r~ .

I_OI\H;: ~:>o, whi:lt lha.t Sc'lys, and noi·. l·o sc.tggu~;i : ·i.n ···1ny IAJ•.~Y rn:i.r1is l· E!r' is no ·l· cornrn:i t: l:c:'d L?. 111-1 Mi'IY 1.9, 1.9HH Uds i s i:hd 1: l . hc · ~ to Lh i s Vol XI. portfolio, I arn sur·e hE! is, but 1~1 h .:-1 i': 1': h d I: ~; <."l. y ~; 1·. o rn (~ • M r' . ~;) p c:~ <:1 I< E' r· • is that there must be in s up p or· 1:. i. n g 1. h C:'! r· C:'! s 1: r· u ct. u r· in g • a 1 on g with thE! physic a 1 rno v E! and I:·. he·:! r·el.oc,'l.l:.:i.on of l::h<.;! off ·i ce, rnor·e monies given to the office.

There needs to be more staff, t: h or·~~ n E! e d s t. o b I"! a rno r· (~ c 1 ('!a In definition of pr•ogr·arnrnE!S that: thE• office cHn initiate. The question of thE! co-·ordi.nating role::! thc~t Uw offi.ce plays across government departmE!nts, in or'dE!r for t:.hc'lt. to be:~ liiOI"f:! C l. C::!d r·l. y dB f ·i. nC::!d, 0 n E' example WOU]d be the off:icE:! having Jnesponsibl.·ity for·· l:he interdepartmental committee on IAJi. f B b ("! t:l. 1: 'i_ 1'1 9 .

T n o t·' d u r· f o r· 1: h H o f f ·i c: H 1: o c:1 o IAJ h "' L it l'l(~E!dS t:o do in "intc:!~~r·atJ . ng and CO · Ot'riindi ·.:i. ng PI''Oqr'dllii'IIHS, "i1·. lfll.ISl:: haVE:! mor'E! r'E!sour·cc::•s. Ml". Spl::!<:-lk("!l". T s~:·lY i-.11• .~1'. Hw sl:dl~f 1•1ho h<'IVt:• worked "in the Womon's Pol-.icy OfFi.cc:! in l.hr-~ go\J~:!rl'lllleni. ·i.n i..he last couple of year·s haVE! s.i.rnpJ.y don(~ an outs l:e1nd i.ng job . rhe Premier has given recognit-.ion to SOHIC-?. of Uw good IA.JOI"ks 'in l::hr:• publications and conferences that ha\Je been producerl. Bill-:. :r Si'IY, essential for Mr. thE!

Spc'!akc'•r·, Pr'E!ITI:i.E:!r J. t is to gtvc::! '" colnrn"it.ln<,'nf'. t:o put tno1··e r·E~SOIH' · ces in this ofFicE! so that t:he good IAJor·lcs UJ,~t thpse wornE•n iH'r::~ doing there wot~Jd be! freE! of l::hE! stra:i.n iHl d p r· e s s 1.1 r· c,~ o F c clr' r· y "i. n g a ~H:! a v y responsibJity in the government, d l'l d i Jli'·l 1.: IAJC:1 C iHl i·d l. 1 0 0 k f 0 r'IAI<!ll" cl to this ofFice having an ·i. ncr·ei.·ls'inql.y lr:-1r'gH pr·oFi.lc'! nol: only in govE~rnrnent but IAJ·J Lh:in soc i r.:! i. y <:·1 1: 1 d r' q ''! r· ·i. n o 1 1 r· P r· o v :-i. n c ('! , dr'aiAJing att-.E:!nt:.icHc Lo such ·i!rlflOt' 'i,di'li J~;SII::!S dl'ld hnlp ·i,ng l.:he govE~r·nmc,1nt E!StabJ.ish netAJ ·i n ·i i · ·i. d I.

L IJ ::! s • p r:-1 I" ·i i. c 1 11 <:-1 J" l y IAJ i t h reference to child care and 1\Jo . . lJ.O :~ 2141

se~vices for battered women . With that. sai.d, L•J<->. CE!rl:i~i.nl.y L~JelcomE! it and t.ue look for'lAJard to tAJor·k-Lng wi.t.h t:h(;! offiCE!, for· our pal"l, to continUE! l:.o do E!VE!Y'.Ything 1-.0 r~dVdl'lCe IAIOifl(;!l'l 1 !; COI'lC(;!r'nS. Thdnk you, Mr·. Spf~dkf:!l". SOME HON. MEMRFRS: H (·:! .~ t' , h t~ i'1 r' ! Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Commitees Mr~. ~:>PEAKf.f~ : Tl·w hon. thE! mE!rnber for GandE!r . Mr~. [lA I< f. R: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I IAIO ul. d 1. .ike 1:. o p r' c'! ~; ('! n t 1:. h <-?. r· c;! p or· t of the Public Accounts Committee F o r' 1':. h (.~ F ·.i n a n c i '~' l. y c;! a r· c;! n cl ·i. n g March 31, 1986. Before tabling l:he docurnE!nt, I would like t:o rnake mention of the fact that two of OUt' meinb(,!t'S iH'C-?. 1'10i)J l.C:'I'IV.ing US, the mernbc~1r for Humber West (Mr. BaJ.t•d), Lh(:1 V-i.c~1---Cha.i.r'lfli'l.l'l of t:h(:1 Cornrrd tb:H:1, and thE:' mernbE!r for liurnb(:!r Vt.·\·"'.l.(;!y (Mr.

Woorlfor•rl). t IAIOU}d ] :ikE! to thdnk t. hE!frl for' their• o u t. s t "' n d i. n g c o n 1.: I" 'i. b 1.1 l,:i. o n t-hE'! ]ctst couple-?. of year's h .:-1 v (,1 b u n n d r' o u n cl . SOMF HON . MFMRERS: HC:~ar·, heHI"! r~r~. BAI<FR: du1"'i ng t:ha t I J wou]d aJso likE~ l..o rrJ(:'I"lLl.on and C 0 1'1 9 r' d t U l, o:\ i ·. (,1 1:-. h (;! l'l ~;! IAI Vice-Chairrnctn, the member for Fl (,1 1.1. ('! v I I (;! ( M r' ' c d l. l. r'\1'1 ) I ;:~ n d 1. h A l:t ~~ 0 nE!IAJ meiTibC'!r's of t:hE! ComrnJ.t:l .. eE!, thE! 1 n C.;! m b c;! r· f u t' S t. . J o h n 1 s E"' s 1~ Ex hH' n (MI".

Par·sons) and thE! membE!r for Naskaup:L (Mr·. l<~dland). T atn stH'E! IA.IE! wil] haVE! an E!njoyabJe timE! and a V(;!t'Y pr'Odl.ICt "i.Vf,1 t.· . .i.lll(c1 IAIOY'i<·.i.ng L2'l42 May 19, 19 8 8 Vol XL together during the corning year. SOI'-1E l-ION. MEMRF.RS: I-IE!ar, hE!ar! Notices of Motion MR. TULI<: ~~;)p(:!i'lkHt'. MR. SPEAKER: l"l"t(,1 hnn . Uw rrH~Ini:H:!r' for' Fogo . Mf~-~- Tl.ILK: Jf Your · Honot.JI" tAd.J.l r'E!(:aJ.l, I do no 1·. hr:·\U(:~ r:-1 f'l""i.lJ r:>t h:!

I'-1Hrnber' 1 s rE!SOlution on the OrdE:!r PapE!I~ and [ 1.1 n d (·i!r' !) ·1.: r'\1'1 d ·i. f T l.>.Ja n t Ul F> u 1:: d ()lAin a Private Member's resolution, 1:: h ·i. s t s 1-. h <:1 c o I" I" ('! c t p 1 a c e , . u n d E! r' Notices of Motion. MR. SPEAKER: Notices of Motion, yes. MR. TULK ; Mr. Speaker, I give notiCE:' that I wi.l.l. on t.ornor·r·ow ask l.E'!dUC;! l:.o mciuE! the followjng resolutjon:

WHEREAS our fish'ing indus tr·y is of pr· ·i.lflf'! iHJpor•l:.cHJC(:! l:o our· social. and cultural wel.l-bejng; and WliEf~EAS an all-party resolution of 1: h i. !) 1·1 Oil~;(·:! (:on(:l':~lnn::!d l·.ho i··1c 1··. i.ons of Fr'a1·1ce :in :i.nte1ncc•pt:ing and d:~i:.d"i.l'l-:i.ny i:'t 1\l!·'!IAiFUIInr:il dnci r·i sh i.nq boat on thE! 5th. dr..tY of May, 1988; r:1nd WH E f~ EAS th:l s HOUSE! in thal.: r·:~sol.t.IL · i.on IH'gE:!d l·. hu GoVf'!l"l'llrl~:!nl·: of' Canada to USE! the full forcc,1 of i.h; d·i_pl.ornat: ·i.c dnd <'!Conorni.c relations with France to protect Lhe i.nteresLs of Newfoundland f:i.shE!rrrHHl; and WHEf~EAS t:.he House recommended in l:.ht:'ti:: Sdlfll'::1 r·(~soltl~.

"i.o n l::hal-: !:.he ········· . No. 40 R21.4-2

GOI)f~r-ntn~>.nl.: of 1\Jf>.t~iFOtll'ldl.dnd r'11'1d I. cilbt"ador' and a] 1 its agE:!11C:i~1s Cf:!d~>~>. fot"l.ht•J'i.i:h l'.:h1>. conc:lt .lc·l'. oF businc,1ss w'.'ll·h cornpanic-:ls of Fr'E:'I'tch t' !-:'! g i. ~ ; 1: t' y F o r' d s l o n g d s 1.: h r;!

f) L . P :i. e rT C-:l f i s he r :i E>. s a n d b o u n dar y d i. spuL1::! t'Ollli:d.ns un~;HI·: i ·.l. l:!d; dnd WHE: I~EA5 l·i'H:! M·i.n is I·.·.E:!r oF Dc,wr:1loprnc;!nt tnformEtd th:is HousE:~ that: h t::! IA.IO u 1. d as k C a l:d n e l:: to cancel alJ contracts presently exist.::i.ng bi:1l:IAJC:1Etn Lh.i.s Pr·ovincl':1 and French companies; and

WHEREAS th e Premier in a letter to l::he Pr• "i.1ne M:i.rds hH' of May 6, 1988, and rel.easr-:!C~I t:o Lh!::1 pr'E>.ss the meantime, the acting on tho Ci'\nada da t.r::tr:J subseqUE!ntJ.y stc'\i'.:l :!d, 1 Tn GovernrnEtnt:., u ndn ·i.rnou s rEtcon1rnenda Li on contained :in the I" r::t sol. u 1'. "i 0 1'1 () r i "' H H 0 u ~· 0 0 F A ~ ;sr:>.rnb1y l"E:1fer'r'E:!d l::o aboVE:', l·tas c •:·1 n c n ·1 l. u cl i'l 1: on 1.. t'"' c L 1:·. h ,;! Co v pI" nrno n i" 0 r N E:!IAJf' ou nd 1 i'.l ncl Cl.lAJC:ll"d E:1d l. O d t; 0 1'1 S 0 I'' I :-i.

I Ill I i. 1'1 IJ 0 l. lJ "i. l'l 9 i·l F I" EHI c h- b ct s E>. d com p d n y to u n d Co! r' t a I< e oHl offshor-e t'E:!li.ll ·.nd s'l:lldy; I i:Hirl 1.1\li·IFI~f:AS l ·. hc~ GolJt:!t'ntnonl:. l:hr'o119h L:hr~ M :i 1 tt s Lr:! In o f [) E:'V ~~ l o p 01 H n L , M a y 1 8 L h , t' I:!Vt>. r'SI>.d Ut<:1 dr;!c·i s'i. on oF l:h<,1 HouSE! and t.he Gov E!

I" I'HOE! nt thereby j ~:! o p d r' t :I i z. i. n g "i 1.: s c r' f:! d -L b ·i. l "i 1·: 1J IAJ i . 1·: h fishermen, Fish pJ.ant workers, Lhc;!-lr' farn . i.lJ~;!s, t.hc,1 Ci:'ltti~d i.an Government and, indeed, France; and W H E I~ E A S .i t. · i. s u n p r' i n c i p l ~ ~ d i:'l n d :inE!ffE!C Uve to de!fnand that thE! Gov~~r·nrnent: of Canada . liSE~ Lhe f1.1ll. forc e of its ·diplomati c and E! Cono111i. c r'el.at.:i.ons uri. l:h a for'<,dgn country unlE!SS th:i.s govEtrnrnEtnt is prepared to do likew i se; and WHEf~EA5 HOU SE! I. l:. "1. \) tha t u n a c r : E! p 1·. a b l.

E:t i ·. o 1:. h .. i s Lh <;! gover ' nrrtE!nt d i.s r'E:!gi'lr·d ,:,\ nl) lflf >. d \> llt' U \; "i.l : trri. ghl · FJi-..l SS , l'.: hOI" (:~by I"E'!I'IdC;!r'.ing :it. i. n f:! F f 1>. c l:i v <'!; l.. 2 ]./1.3 f"'d y 1. 9 , 1 9 B!! Vol XI. rn: J T f~ f. ~)0 I . !) F n 1: h i:l 1: l.lri s H o I I \) H g o on rE!COrd as r'<:1t:lffir·rn:lng :i. i'.:s fa:i.l~h i.n Ollt' I'IIOS l: l.t' dd"ll: I. OI'Ii:ll. ('!CCHlOirtJ. l; base, l·:he f:ishc ,H'y, by in s tl"uct'.'l . n~J l:hc:! Cov~'! l"t'IHIHnl-. oF i\JE:!IAJfoundlr::tnd <'l nd Labrador t o l i ve up t o i t s cornm "i. hnr;!l ·ll·: 1-.o UH>.

Fi.si·HH' IJ t:!rnbod ·ic;!d Jn thE! unanimous r'E! Solu L:i.on of t.h i.s Assr::trnbl y; i'·lnd f.lF TT FURHIEI~ f~ESOLV F D HOUSE! go on rE!COrd as the Government For Lhe dE!Cision to continUE! l.:ha t:: thi s condE!rnn t n~J 1'Vlay J.8l:h t,~ri.th tho o Y' "L q .i. n H l. JnvolvJng Canadr:~, Associat:E!S cont:r·ac l:l.tHl. agi"E•E!rnE:!nt Bouygues Offshore N c-:l wf o u n d l. and Des i gn and Pennecon LirnJt:ed. I lAJould say ·to the PrE!rn'ier' l'..hc:d: I lAJO ul. d l 'i. k e 1:. o dE:! b r:'' 1-. f;! t. h i~l t r «::' s o 1 u t i o n n o IAJ .

T s E~ e k u n a n :i. rn o u s COI'lSI·~ nl · : l.:o d ( ~b i:,l :e -i,J ... 1'101•1, i.F l::hE• Premier Js roady to do l L. SOME HON. MFMBERS: H r~ ; :~ r· , h 1>. r:1 t' l MR. TULK: I want to hear the Prernier 1 ·s views . MR. SIMMS: M r· . f.1 p c:~ a I< e r . MR . SPEAKER: ---- -ThE! hon . thE! Pt"E!sidE!nt .: of' l~ h E! Council. . MR. TLILK : Are you going ~o speal< on it? MR. SIMMS: No, I a m ri s ing o n Notice s of Mol~i.on . MR. FUREY: (I naudtblE!) ( 'i.n; ,,ud i.bl.c '!) . PREMTfR PECKFORD : l-IE! has c~ rnot:i.on . Mf~ . SIMMS: No. 'f·O thE!

I have a Notice of Motion . Mr. Speaker, I 1~o.ri.lJ. ask leaVE! on t om o r· r· oto 1·: o i n l:r· o d u c e t: h <-:? following resolution:

WHEREAS thE! Leader of the Oppos i.l..'i.on has st~ted publicly that 1 Jt IAJOUJ.d l\lr::!IJJFoundl.<>1nd hc1d juln'.isclic'l:ion over be rnadnE!SS Jf HIO l'' <:~ l ~~ 9 i. S l. c'l L i U t~ our· fishery 1 ; and Wl·l F I~ E::Afi s u 1: h s 1:;:-l i ·.1:~1n~:! n 1: s ;:l t'l:' illjUI":ious t:o tht::1 pubJ.ic good of Nt:~IAJF'OIIl'ldl.dnd dnd 1 .. :-lbt' ddor·; THF.RFFORF BE TT RF.SOI. VF.D thc.~t this H () I I ~; f:! 9 !) 0 n t'f~ c t)l'' " i·l ~ ,

I) p p 0 s 'i. n 9 . rUl y i'.ILtE!mpt· Lo giuH fish to Fl"ance ::in or'd<'!t' Lo rwgoL --i .• .-lh:' r.Hl i'lgt '~H~IfiHI'li:. SOME liON. MFMBEf~f.-> : HEH:l.r, hE!i.ir! Ml~. SPEAKER: :A"'re.thc,1re·- any fur· t. h(~ t' Not: ·i. c E! s u f Motion? Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given DR . TWOMEY: Mr . Spc,1ak(:H'. MR . SPF.:AI<f~R: ThE! hon. thE! M:inJstc-:11n of Public Works and Serv'i.c a s. D I~. TI!IJOMF.:Y: T h i:.trl k you , M r· . S ~H~ a k r:1r·· • [ IA J"i. ~;i-l i:O l : 1-1bl1~ l::hr ~ iHlSI~Jl-H ' 1:1) . :~ q IH1 s t J o 1'1 t. h i:d~ h a s b c-:! e n a s b~ d o n UH=!

Or· d I•H' P i'l fl H t' by 1:. h 1·:! h on . 11H:! 111l:w r· for· Btu·g~w - Bi:ly d' Espo:ir· d<'!al:ing IAJ·i Lh i:hu rlllliii:HH ' or p(~Opl . e on t.l·lf :! staFf of rny off''ic~~; thE! co s L l:o lflO!H;! t.: he CLIYT f.Hli:. f"' i.n'i. s L<H' of FinrHlC<-:? (Ml". Windsor·); the cost. lo rno u <:! 1··. hE! h on . 1: h (;! P r· E! s i. de 11 ·t. of Treasury Board (Mr. Simms). 1...2 J.ll-4 May 19, ' 198H Vol XL There was also a quesU .on dE!aling 1.11 i. 1:: h s o u n d p r· o o f .i n g j_ n 1.. h e W ~:! s t Block, and a qUE!sti.on askE!d in LhE!

Esl:.i.rnatE!S Comm:li::b:~ by l: he same hon. rne:HnbE!r dE!aJ.J.ng IAJ:i.t:h a 1i sUng o r +: h (;! a g <:' n c ·i. e s r· e q u "i. r· E! d 1 u n cl E! r· ThE! Pub1ic TE!nde!r Act'; and a lisi :::-i.ng oF t.ho s H <:~cJ('!I'lC ·i. es tAJhich should have reported but did not? MR. SPEAKFR: Any fur· ·thEH' Ansto~HH'S to QUE!S U .ons? MR. TOBIN: r"'t' . ~)pndi<Hr' . Ml~. SPEAKFR : MR. TOBIN: Mr· . !')fH~ i:~k:n· , Yl:H~ L~:!r'day aFI:. (:!I'··noon I t.1.Jas as k e'd a qU E!S l'~:i . on by th e hon . t h f~ 1 n (;!

I'll b '=~ r· f~ o r· P o r· 1... d ~:· G r· f.! u e re]ating to l'TIE!als a nd t.:raveJ f o 1" p ~~ o p l. e in R ;;1 y :~ o b E:1 r· 1: s . I th i nk Your Honour rulE:!d ITlE! out oF or'dE!I" a t Lhe i. 'i. lrl<,~ bt' !Causc,~ I IAJd S no t. giving the exact answer. I now have Lhe basic deta i ls for the member, J.f Your Honour would pe:H'ln-i. l rne I".O g i u 1:1 Uwrn to h i rn? Peop1E! trave11:i ng fr·om Bay Roi:)E!r' t s l·.o Sl:-.. John's by 1 .. _,-~x"i. t'(:!Cr~:iu<'! $14-, Mr . Speak e r·.

If Uwy al" <:! l.:t'i.'l!Jel.li .ng by bu s f r· on1 Ba y f~ober'L s to Cad>onE!cH ' , the bus 1nat.:e :i s $f:i , T h , ~, 1.: -; s IJ.J h a t : ~ h t: ~ y r' <-:! c c. : ~ i. v t~ J f\-1 r~ . Speak(~ln. As i I: r'E!latE!S Lo fTIE:!clls ... l i·.l-l'i nk Ul H nll:!lilbf'!t' ~~Jds conUH'I'H'!d abouL tha t - let rne say 1:-.hat - r~ f~ . F: F F 0 IW : (Inaud:ib1e!) . Ml~. TOBIN : ltJ ('! d l) 1 r•~ t' , ~:J p ( ~ ;::1 k (! r' 1 lA) h f:! l'l t h ~: ! rE,quest :i s rni'-lde.

W~: ' do not "' u 1·. o 111 d i ·. ·i c "' l-1. y g i v E ~ ( u n d L n g f o r· rneals, but when the r e quest i s rna d ~: ! , IAJ o d ~; ~ ; o s s 1:: h e 'i. n d ·.i v :i cl u a1 ' s circumstance s and pay according1y. No . 4-0 R 2 J.ll-4-

MR. TULK: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the ITIE!mbE!r for Fogo. MR. TULK: (Inaudible) because is he is we are perfectly willing to do it. PREMIER PECKFORD: 1'-1 r . S pea k e r . MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Pr·r:Hni~::~r . ..f~REMT.E~ PE~KFORD: To LAihateuer it t.uas, a · point of nothing and therefore out of order. MR. TULK : No, at this point, I just ""''ant to - PREMIER PECKFORD: -YE!S, IAIE!ll, We haUE! t.hE! rules to d t' a 1 tAd t h n OLAI, 1'-1 r . Speaker , so I am out of order as was the hon. member. There are certain bills that hau e to be done today, and a requirement mainly - SOME HON.

MEMBERS: Oh , ' oh! MR. TULK: Okay. Go on. PREMIER PECKFORD: No, no. The Atlantic Accord Irnph1mentation Act h<:~s to be amended. We can do the othE!r onE! right afl:er thRt,. bE!Cause it: has to carne into force on tomorrow if we <H'I'::1 going t:o coincide 1.11i.th tl·1r::~ other·s. MR. TUL.l< : When you are ready . PREMIER PECKFORD: We ha-v-8' noPr.obJ.ems as to the resolution ourselves put fortAiard, L2145 May 19, 1988 il: r·elai:E~s that we because the Vol XL Liberal party is on record as willing to giue Northern cod to the French.

So we do not mind if" .. .. you now support J.t and t.hE!n haue to do a flip-flop. Petitions MR. GILBERT: Mr. Speaker. Mf~. SPEAKER: The han. 'l.:hE! ITH:~rnbi'::H' For BtH'gE:w Bay d 1 Espoir . MR. GILBERT : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a pE!ti U.on frorn 170 of Bur·geo, r·estdenLs Gray Rtuer Assembly and and it says: Rarne<:,, ,':<.~nd to the hon. Parl'.i.arnE!n l.: Humbly She1..t.1eth: HousE! of ass E:! rnb 1 c• d That whE!reas the Burgeo Road has receiued no upgrading or paving in the past three years; and

Whereas the Burgee Road longest conl:inuous gravel Newfoundland; and is UIE! raNd in

Whereas the towns of Burgee and Rarn<-?.a are contrtbu l".·.'ing gr·ea t.ly l~o the economy of this Prouince thro1.1gh thei .r prima1ny Indus try; and

Whereas the cost of l'.i.u'.i.ng and car·r·ying on EHlterpt~isE; in our~ totJJns i.!> signi.f:icanl:ly higher· dUE! to the inadequacy of thE! preSE!n t road systt-:~m; ThereforE!, LAie, t.he undE!rsignE!d, petition the Gouernrnent of Newfoundland and Labr·ador to bE!gJ.n a prog r·arnme ·irnmed:i.a t.e 1 y l: o u pg rad e and paUE! the BurgE!O road. We c~rE! disgusted t.uith l:he po1it. :ical gatnl~S No. 40 R21.4·5

being ple~yed dnd wlsh only to hi'lve our transportation problems cA 11 E! v i Cl t E! d . T h .i. s L•.li. 11 r e s ul t i. n ilupr·ovel'flE:Hlts in the economy of our cH'(,~i'l through incJ"eased tour·'isrn, more high quality fish products being prepared here and an incrE!aSE! in thE! serviCE! sector, all of which will increase employment levels and generate even more tax dollars. We ask only to be treated fairly and with respect and dignity. NOIAl, Mr.

SpeakE~r, this is a petiU.on that I have made severaJ. times this year in the House and it is madE! bE!CauSE! the people of that area continue to send in petitions to me to present . As their member I have to present them, even though I rE!alize that the Minister of franspor·l~at.ion is going to get up and say it is rep e t i ti o us . But. I IAJO u 1 d s {'t y L o HHo! rninistE!r, and to you, Mr·.

S pea k e:~ r , Um t for the:~ p eo p 1 e IAl h o live in Burgee, RamE!a and GrE!Y River it is not re:1peUtious, il i.s a clay-·to-day way of 1 ive, it is the I.•.JRY those FJ(O!Op l.e hdt.J (,1 to 1 i v e, subjected to the atrocities of the Bur·geo road. The people in RameR and Grey River are subject l~o a little more punishment because of the facl th~~y have to pay the ratE! to get on a ferry to come to Burgeo before they face the hazards of the Bur·geo road.

And the ferry cost from Grey River and RamE!a to Burgee continues to escalate becausE! of t:ht~ inability of th'is government to sign a de:~al with thE! federal government. When t h e y a s s urn e d c o n t r o 1 of t h E! f c::HT y SE!rvi.ce, it was a situaU.on that tm~ an t e s c a 1 a t i n g c o s t: s IAI e r e 9 o :i. n g to be put on the taxpayers of NetAJfoundlc~nd, and, aga :in, these:~ . costs tAlN'E! going to bE! pas SE!d to L2l/.1·6 May 19, 191!8 lJol. XI. the E!nd users, the people who use the ferry system in Newfoundland .

NoiA.I, the people in this area haV E! bE!E!I'l dr•oit)E!n lo a day of rnounring. I am surE! the PrE!rrJiE!r is aiAiarE! of days of mottr'ning, i'J(,~ :i.n:U::latE!d thE!m in NetAJfoundJ.and. And 1:1·1(' reason thE! y d oi d it, t.•Ja s 1:: o f o 11 ow the same procedure that the Pr·ernte:~r did in '.in:il~ iat.:·.ing h'is day of mourrdng somE! YE!ars ago.

The day of mouring by thE! pE!opJ.E• of Burgeo, Ram(.~a and Grey River was to at t ract the attention of the rest of the people in the Province to an uncaring government and to try to bring t:hr:dr p1'ight., having to live wi t h the Burgeo Road, to !.:he attention of the taxpayers 'in NE!IArFoundJ.and, t'Hld t.o po:i.nt out l:.he SE!Y':ious problerns UtE!Y have and thE! nEH~E!SSJ.ty of hctving l: he Bur·g~:·o l"Oi'td pi:~vr:! d and upgradE!d. It adds l:.o thE! cost of' 1 i.

l) j, n g , A s l: h E! y s a y :i n t h (~ :i r· pet'ition, becauSE! of thE! adclecl cl'li'lrges on fr·e"i.ghl coming inl:.o the area and the higher depreciation ratE! on their cr.H'S. ThoSE! people haVE! noiAJ bE!en driven to the poJnt vJhere t h(,1 y are g o:i ng to l: he Srna 11 Claims Court on an ind:lvi dual basis. Over $250,000 worth of cJ.airns arE! going to be f'LI. E!d against the Department of Transportation i.n the SmdJ.l C1a:.i.rns Court to again prove the point thE!Y arE! t.aJ.ki.ng about, thE! damages and I':. he extra IAlE!ar and tear on the vehicles they must use to drive over thal: road.

Jt~st y(,1SI::E!r·day I saiAl ·in The Evening Telegram that judges of thE! court who have to go to Btu'gE!O to dispe:~nse:1 jusl:.iCE! and l:.o hE!ar those cJ.airns, are notAJ cornpJ.a:i.ning because they have to drive over thE! road in thEd .r OIAll1 cal"S or· :in car·s provid e d by the D<;!par·l':.l'nE!nt of Justice. It :is not just theJ.r otAJn No. 1.~0 R214-6 .

cars, i t.s cars. They do not like to travel over that road. Now, Mr. Speaker, how do you think thE! people oF Burg~:lo, Rarnea and Grey River feel? They have to drive over that road every day. Mf~. W. CARTER : And with a Jot Jess incomE! than the judges. MR. GILBEIH : And IAdth lE!SS income, I IAJouJ.d say, and using t:hE!'.ir Ot•.m cars not government cars. I would subrnH:, Mr. Sp.:~ak(:~l~, !':hal if L·.hE! Pr•(;!ln:ir:H' and thE! ministE!rS ovc-:~r thE!rE! had 1': o d r i v r:~ o tH~ r t h (;!

B u r g eo roc.~ d , I would not be standing here today making a plea on behalf of the peoplE! of Bur·geo and Ramea, their road would be paved. I am sorry Lhe judges are not happy that they have to use government cars to drive over this road , and for HlE! d '.i. s co rnf or t they have t:.o go thr·ough, but, Mr . Speaker, I think more! about thE! residents of Burgt~o and the 'people who have to come over that road in an ambulance. They are the ones I arn conCE!rned about, so I now calJ. upon this government, the Premier and the Mjnister of Transportation (Mr.

Doyle), to stop posturing regarding the Burgeo road, stop pass'.ing the buck and saying it: is the federaJ. goVE!rnrnent and WE! cannot do anything until we get ~n agreE!rnent. Start a pr·ocess nol.IJ to usE! the rno n E! y l: h <:'1. l is <.~ v a i 1 a b 1 (,~ , t~1e ordinary $11T'O rr:t11ion they have r:~ tJ (;! I" y y r,~ i.'l r· l: o u s e f o r p i:l v ·i. n g a n d upgrading. MR. SPFAI<ER : OrdE!r, pl~~i'ISE:!! MR. GILBEfH: In conclusion, Mr·. SpeakE:~r, I ask the rn:inis b:H' to stop pos t.ur-i.ng and do some paving on the Burgeo road. L214:7 May 19, 1908 Vol XL SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR.

SPEAKf._~: Before recognizing the hon . the member for the Strait of Belle Isle I wouJ.d like to l.IJelcorne HclZE:!J. Mcisaac, a for•rnt~r member for· ~?t. GeorgE!' s. SOME HON. MEMBERS: H.:~ar, h<,~ar! MR. SPEAKER : The han. the rnE!rnber fo1~ thE! Stl~a::Lt of B<,~ll.E! lslr:~. MR. DECKER : Mr. SpeakE!r', I rise to support th .is pel::itjon pr'(:~s(;!nl :. ("! d by t:he:1 member for Burgeo- Bay d'Espo:ir. I hesitated before standing up, bE!CC\USE! I thought SOITIE! ITIE!IrlbE:!r' fi"Oill the othE!r sidE! wou1d stand up ctnd support th:is P('!t·.'.'i.l::ion. But.

"i.l: "i.s obvious, frorn the way they scarnper·ed out of their seal:s, thai: they do not havE! any g rE!at amount . of interest in the Burgee road. In the meantime, I am preparr.:!d to eat these words if some member would want to gE!t up and suppor·t l:he petition, SOITIE! significant mE!HlbE!r, hopefulJ.y thE! fol~rner· Minister of Transportation who has reVE!rt.E!d to his old hab:i.t of runn:ing out: L•JhE!never SOITI(;!t.hing 'is rnE=!ntionE!d on roads, or the pr·osE •nt Mi.nisttH' or Transportation L•Jho, I arn sure, is within hearing d i stance of this. Mr.

Spei:tkE!r', I lAJould I:H! r·(;!lll'.'i.ss if I did not pra'.ise the rnernber For presenting this petit'.ion. Surely he has done a lot l:o br·ing th::i.s r· o "' d l:. o l:. h t~ a t l~ e:1 n l:. i o n o F t h E! peop] E! of this ProvinCE! . I an1 sure il is ~ fact today that everywhere in Newfoundland and Labr·ador, and I I)Jould r:•vE~n say part of Atlantic Canada, No. 4:0 ~2.14:'7

E:~verywher·e, pE!Ople know about thE! Burgeo r·oad and the pr·obhHns bE:dng experienced there . And a Jot of thNt publicity, not a 11 of it , r"l r· . SpeakE! r '· can b t::~ <:lLlr·JbuL<,~d to Lh'i.s hon. 1nernbE:!r IAJho has stood in his place in this l·JousE:~ so rnc.~ny t.irnE!S- SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hc::~ar, h(~ar! MR : _ _Q_~CKfR.: ·-and so gallantly put foriAJar·d thE! plE!i.'l. of thE! people of Burgeo . I think he deser·ves t.o be given all the credit he is due. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR: DECJ<ER: Mr·.

Speaker, thE! han. rnc;!rnbE!I~ pointed out that l: his is the;! longest stretch of unpaved road in the Province. Now I would venture to say that the people in Burgeo are not ask.lng this gouernment to go oul: tomorrow morning and pave that tol.1'tl. strE!tc:h of roi.'ld; pE!Opl.E! c.·1ro not that unreasonable. What the people in Burgeo are ask1ng is that this government would come up with i"l r'E:H'lsonable appr·oi::tch to paving their road. If they had some indication that some work will be done this year, some morE!

IJJOI~k dtHH:~ next yE:HH' and the yPar <:1.fter, a reasonable approach, I do not think thE!Y would bt::~ nE~arly as upset as they are. They wouJ.d not be accus:lng government of playing politics and this sort of thing if they could see some indication that this YE!i.'l.r thE!Y arE! a lit.t.:J.e closc->.r to having thr;!ir· road pauc~d than thwy werE! last year, and that next year they will be a little cJ.oser than they were the year before.

I think the whol.e problem L2148 May 19, 1988 Vol XL is the uncertainty, because they realize the way this gouernment has ' cho .sen to pJ.ay thE! gamE!; thE!Y real.ize this ts nothing but pol.ittcs and pork barreling. What l:hE:~Y LJ..Jould 1-Lk~"! l::o sr:~E! :is r.~ reasonable approach to this, Mr. Speak C:~ r. They !< 1'10141 t.: hE! r·oad IAJi 11 be paved eventually. They know about thE! Round Pond road situation and all the politic s tha ·t.- connotE!S.

Thc;!y iH'~' aiAii:'l.l"e of alJ. thE! shE!nanigans and thE! under-the-table stuff that goes on 1Ad1:.h this 90VE!I" I'HfiE!I1t and t·.hoy ~ealize il: is going to be extremely difficult for them to get their road paved if people lj.kE! thE!ir mE!JTJbE!r do not cont.tnUE! to bombard, do not continur:~ l:.o hi l: this goVE!rnrnE!nt OVE!r the hE!ad, cHtd that is why they ar·e S(~nding those pE!t.itions in, so thi.'lt. t.hE! Hi('!TnbE!I". can present them. MR. W. CARTER: There wer'E! no pE!titions Lo gE!t UH:! Round Pond Road done. .MR.

DECKJ;_R; You are absolutely L•.Jas no pe t.i Lion lo Pond Road done. right. g C::! l: l:hr::~ TherE~ l~ou nd Mr. SpE!akE:~r, IJJhE!n a formE• I" Conserual.iue Premier of this ProvinCE!, Frank MoorE!S, IAJclS i.n p ot•J<.~ r , hE:~ a n no u n c e d , I t hi n l< it rnig J·1t have beE! n in thE!

E!cH' J.y 1970s, maybE! 19'73 or 19'72, th;::~t he was going to have a five year I~Oi.'lds pr·ognunme so l:.hat. t.hEH'E! wouJ.d bE! no more confus:i.on; if you lived down in Burgee you could pick up thE! ftve YE!ar pl~ogl"ammo and you could SE!e Lhc:d: l:.iAJo years down thE! road, or what.E!VE!I~, t.horE! would be pauing done in your area. At l::he l·: :1 ITI(;! I I lAid~~ mayor· of i'l cornrnuntty tn 1: h :i. s Prov'.inco So I came int.o thC'! D~1par l:mE:!nt.: of No. 4-0 R 2 14-8

Transportation and asked to see that five year programme, and the Deputy Minister sort of laughed at me when I askE!d for it. I said, 'Look, the Premier announct~d J l: at the Mayors and . Municipalities Convent ·ion . I know :it exists . 1 He said, I am not laughing at ·thE! fact that it exists, I am laughing at the fact that tAlE! are into our second five year progtamme. 1 'But I 1 I said, 1 the govE!rnrnE!n t has only been in power about two or three years.' 'You arE!

E!Xactly right,' he said, 1 t:hey have only been in two or three years and alrec.i.dy they hewe cotTII'::1 up l.di l:.h a second five--year programme bE!CaUSE! they had no "i.ntenl:ion of car-rying out the fit"s t onE!, and I would assum~1 l:hat l::h~~y hc:·\u<;! no inl:E!nlion of car'rying out thE! second one.' N014l 1 l.:hcl'l is no L t:I'Ho1 ki.nd of F : i.V(:~ year programme I am talking t~ b () u L ' T d m l: a 1 k i. n g i':\ b 0 u l:. i~·\ r· t I) (,~ y e C\ r· p r o g r· c\ nun~:! 1.1J h :i c h h a s s o rn (;! meat, wh:ich the gover'nmE!nt :lnt.E!nds to car·ry out, not Lo gel up and make political points on, not to try lo get an election out of.

I am talktng about an honest-to-goodness five year programme so that the people in Burgee and l:h(:~ people in Cape Onion and the peopJ.e all over NetA.Jfoundland tAlill knotA.J that ti'H~r<~ is a systemattc system in place so that somewhere dotA.Jn the road, and they tA.Ji1J know tA.Jhenl the road to Burgeo will be paved . I should say, Mr. ~3peai<E!r, that: v.JhE!n I finally d i d ::.o::"::' this five YE!ar progr'Hmrne, thE!r'e I.~Jas some pavement allocated to a part of lhe Pr'ou·ince t~JI'H:!r~:! I 1 i.v0.. T 1~1as del:ighte!d. But t:he DE!puty Mtni.st.<;!r s<~d. dl 'NotAl, Mr·.

Dr:~ci«H ' 1 do not bE! too dE!lighted, bocauSE! i l only takes a by ·--(:!l.(;!c !-::ion t·:o bE! called sonJE!IJ...JhE!Y'E! in l:.his ProvincE! ~nd you will Jose that bit of pavemene l: pr<;!tty so--and-· ·so fast. 1 L21/1.9 May 19, 1.988 Vol XL Mr. Spedker', r:ight on! I wr:-ts hardly home before someone rl?.stgned I ·Forgei: tA.Jho it IAJas and a by--electjon came dUE!. And that pavement, which was in a F-i.vr:! year programmE! in 197.?. and 197'1 ·, si::ill has not arr:i.ut•d in rny dj.strict. So that is not t.hE! k:i.ncl of fool.ishnE!S S I IJ..Jant to see carried on any J.onger.

I would l.ikE! t:o se(:~ a redsonablr::~ approach so that thE! peoplE! of Bu1ngeo IAJ:i.1l not hau(;! lo hcwe LIH!:ir' l'nE!Illber' standing up E!VE!ry day asking that l·: h a l roc:-\ d b (! p a v (:! d I l: hE! y 1~.r.i 11 k n OIAJ that thE! governmE!nt intE!I'lds l:o do i' l "i.n good ft:dth, Min . ~)pE~r:~kE!r. Thr:~t is thE! key, in good fa:i.th . Thr.1nk you VE~ry much. Orders of the Day MR. SIMMS : Mr. Speaker·. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. lhe GovE~rnrnon l: House::~ Leader. MR.

SIMMS: y----tht~ther'E! ·is an agrootTI(:!nt t.o put Bill No , 32 th1nough cdl s t.agE!S today so that we may have it procJ.atrnE!d in U.rnE!. It ts Ordo1n 30, B:iJ.l No . 321 "An Act To Amend The Canada-NE!Wfoundland ALJ ani:Jc Ac cor·d Impl(:~rnont.c:' l'.Jon u~ EHAif 0 u n d 1 and ) A c t ' II If Your Honour would ltkE! Lo t:hc.~t Ol"dr:!r, th~Hl I tAli11 r·is~' speak to it on behalf of P r• (~ rn-L E! I" . MR. SPEAKER : Olnder 30 . BilJ. No. 32. ca11 t:'' n cl thE:! The hon. the GovelnrHTIE!I'l t HousE• No. t+O R214-9

Leader . MR. SIMMS: Mr. Speaker·, this is really a r a t h E:~ r m i n o r i:'l me n d rn .::~ n t b u t, i. n a n y E:~vent, it l'lE!E!dS to bE! donE!, ThE! Canada Newfoundland Atlantic Accord Implementation Act or·:igoi.nally, tl'ldt is the F>r'OtJi.nc-l.c:~l. Acco1nd Act and ·1:1'1€! fE:~deraJ. Accord Act, as we::!ll, carne ""i.nto fo1"ce find both wE•r·e proclaimed on April 4, 1987 with the exception of Division 8 of the legislation.

Part 2 of that Division in the federaJ. Accord Act. dtd not haVE! provincial equivalent sections in the provincial Accord Act. Division 8,

part 2 of thE! fE!dE!raJ. Accor·d Act dOE!S conta-.in, howevE:~r. tilE! samE! provi.sions as Division 7,

part 2 of the provincial Accord Act, and relates to the public registry of interest where there was a 180 day transi .ti.onal pE!riod provided For in that legisJ.ation under that act. Now, what transpired since then, of course- in fact, that r·c,~gistry has not yet bE!EH1 established, incidentally, but the regulations pertaining to the registry, and the provisions of the FederaJ. Atlantic Accord Act respecting the re::!g"istry, IAd.ll nOIAJ cornc,~ ·i.nto for'CE! on thE:~ 20th day of May. That 180 day transitional period really should not start to run until that part.icul.ar dRLe.

So it. is simpl.y t-.o change thr:~ effective date to May 20, which is a datE! !::hat has bc:H!n <llgrec;!d to by officiaJ.s at thE! fe!deral and provincial level . Our own act, the Canada -- NE!IAlfoundJ.and Atl.anti c Accord Impl.ernentation Act, needs to be amended to refJ.ect that particuJ.ar· change . It is pred::t :y well outlined in the explanatory notes ther·e, Mr. Speakr:1r. L2150 May 19, 1988 Vol XL I move second reading . MR. SPEAKER: The han. the member for Gander . MR. BAKER: ThHnk you, r"'r'. Sp~~i.·\l<e::!r .

T l"emr:'rnber, qu.i.i::o sorn~=! t.i1n~:! i:lqo, going through hour·s and hours i.n this lious~:! I~JhE!r'e L~JC:;! dc;!bal:.t:!d Lhe Atlantic Accord, and thE! rn:ini.stE!r i" lo~Hic~rnb E! r· s i. t t~Je 1 J.. I I:Hd i eve there was one aJl-night session, Mr. Ministc:!r, Lhal. r'E!lal:".r:•d t-.o l:hE! Atlantic Accord. The Opposition at that ti~e was trying to makE:~ certa ·in arnc::~ndments to the Atlantic Accord which lAJOuld, tn our opin·ion, :irnprov'" it.. Some of the amendrnE!nts WE!I"E• vr:H'Y minor. ThE! amendlllE!I1 l:s tAJerc'! so minor, as a rnatt:E!l" of Fact, Ml".

Spc::~ak~H', that · one::~ pc:u·t:icul.ar amE!ndrnent I propoSE!d was somEd :: h:i.nsJ thflt the government agreed with, that the federal people agreed with, according l::o Lhe M:in-:istt'!r of Energy at the time, and that we R g r ~=! e d tAd t: h , and IAJI":' f e 1. t s h o u 1 d be in there so all parties to the ALlant"'i.c Accord IAJE!rE:) in r.lgr'ee:~ment, yet the point was made that thEH'E:~ IAJOU J. d b0 no <:\I TIC:! l'lcilnC:~ 11l:. S .

T IJJOUJ.d simply 1:-i. ke t:o 1r1ake:1 ti'lE! point that it is inLE!rE!Sting that thf:! rn-i.nist::::!r' COITI('!S cllong al: this time and says that he wants t.o make an amendrnenl, however innocuous l:his cHllE!ndmE!I'll": is, and is looking for the co-operat-.ion of aJ.l partjes concerned because l:he:~r·(;! is a t.iiTIE! clc:~adl"ine, l::h:is has to bE! donE! by tomorroiAJ and so on. Nobody I•Jas so anx:ious 1-.:o mi:~l<e amendments during that debate. There was no "indication of co-- operation at that t.Jrne E!VE!I1, I w:i.ll st:r·E:~ss :it aga:in, Mr.

Sp~?.ai<er, even on a VE!ry rrdno1~ tsstw thc1t IAJ('' all agreed would not change the No. 4-0 R21.50

substiHlce of the AtlHnl"i.c Accor•d but would be desirable to have in ther·e, <::~nd lAJe all r.~gr·~:!t,!d tl. should be therE:1. Even under those c-.ir·cums lances th(~ thE!n M'.inist:.E!r of EnE!rgy, although he E!XprE!SSE!d agr·eernent t~.Jith tA.Jhat lAJas bE:d.ncJ sa:l.d by the OpposiUon, satd that there would be no amendments . MR. TUI::~: Was that the former member for St . John's East? tliL_~f;B: That was the former member for St. John's East. Of cour·se maybE! h:i.s 'intransigent stand on issues likE! this is orw of l:.he reasons t.I.Jhy he is no longer sitting opposite .

As a mi'ltler· of fact:, t.hHt d:isl:r'i.cl. : is not even r'E!prE!Sented by a go v o r n rn E! n l m (;! m l'HH' , for L: 1·1 (,1 f t r· s l lime ever, I believe, Mr. Speaker. So now the government cornos in t.I.Jith an arnE!l'ldme!nt that SE!erns to bE! faiJ"ly simple. The nd.l'l.ist<H' explained that it was a very minor change, they wRn ted a datE:1 put in there for· a number of reasons. I hRVE:1 not, I must Rdmit, Mr.

Speaker, done my r·esearch on this b i 11 , be c au s e to d o s o wo u l d be to go back through the Atlantic Accor·d, a r•ather substantial document, to try to dE!terrrd.nE! j,f throughout that whol(:1 document, the Atlantic Accord, Bill 1 I believe it IA.Jas at the t.iiTie, if I remember correctly, to see if there were any clauses in there f.lt all that wou]d be affected by this date change. Now I have not done that to my sal:.:isfact.:.i.on. I suppos<;! I should have, 'iF I had bE! Em doing rny job f'ully 'i.n Lh('! HousP. I hHvc~ d lol of other Lhings to do, a lot oF other responsib:ilitios.

I would lii<E:1 t:o a s k thE! minister t:hE! qtH~s t. i,on: f:ly m1:1 k "i.ng thR 1.: changE:~, 1..2151 May 19, 1988 Vol . XL even though on the surface :it seems simple, what E!lse is there ·.in l:h(;! Accor·d that is t.'iE:!d t:.o ;:any kind of datE! li.ke this? Ii: says h(H'e, 'Wh(:1re r\l.ny rJ.ght·.

J.n r' E!spect . of which an instrument may be registered in this Division was acquired before the coming into force of this sect.i.on,' and so on, 'not later than one hundred and eighty days aft:er the co1nJ.ng into force of this SE!Ction, thE! p r :i or-.i t y a n d v a 1 t d :i t y of s u c h right shall be determined as though the instrument. was rE!gistE!rE!d undE!r this Dtvis:i on at the time i:he right. ~as ac~uired and as though this

section JAJas :J.n forct~ r.~t lhr:.t t:irne. ' Thc'll.: is IJJhctl:: exi.sls now and i t .i.s aiTH~ndE!d by s tr'i.king out the IA.JOI"ds, '''t.ho corn "'i. ng i. nl:o Fol"CE~ of t·: l·1·is SE!Ction, 11 WhEH'E!Ver th(;!y OCCUI" and subsl.:J.l:.ul.: t ng thf:! IAJor·ds "l:: he 20l:.h Mi?1 y J 1 9 8 8 II I • Is there Hnything else in that Accord- and I am th:Jnking notAl in ter·rns of t:.he

section on the environmental protection and tho sect"i.on on thE! l:icenc :ing and all that kind of thing -.. dE!pendE!n t on that dal:e that rnight changE!? I wonder if the mintster has had that researched and could he explajn that to us? MR. SIMMS: If the han. m:inis ter spE!i:J.k s notAl he closes the debate, Mr. Speaker. MR. TULK: The Speaker knows that . MR. SPEAKER: If the hon. m:i.n:i.shH' spE!aks notAl, he closes the debate. MR. SIMMS : 1\Jo. Hi.s lhHlOIH' cr.·wle .L n 1n:i dt•.Jay and I was just letting him know . No. 40 R 21 '.1 1

MR. SPEAKER: The ~on. the President of the Council. MR. SIMMS: ------The reason for ·this minor al'nE!ndmc~~nt., Mr. Sp(~'i'll<(:!r', J.s so i:hat the 180 day transitional period, IAJ h .i C h :iS t h ~~ p E:~ r· :i. 0 d 1:: h c:1 l: d ~~ <:11 S with registering interests - _Mf~. BAKF.R: Who dOE!S 'it tie do1.1m? Ml~. SfMMS: The ide:~a of Lhis arnE!ndrnenl: is to mal<~~ su1"e th<'1 t t t r·uns on t:he s<.·Hne day as the similar transitional pe:~r·:iod I~Jhich E:!Xist.s J.n t.h(;! fedr:!r·al Accord Act begins to run. That is all. Nothing morE! nol·:.h:ing lE:~ss. It is just ·to rnai<E! sure it coincides.

We did not have t:he date there so that it cojncided IAJ i t h t h c~ f e cl E! r a 1 a c t . So t h e d i:'l t (;! wou1d coincidE!. If the beginnings of those two periods did not coincide and did not begin at the sarnE! UrnE!, the resulting problems would be that pe:~ople who wanted to makE! registr·ations and so on, i.t t4Joul.d be a l::dt of shamble. That is thE! whole point and purpose of it:. So, tht:'re is no more than that to it. It is straight:forward, May 20th. MR. SAI<ER: Could I ask a question? Ml~. SIMMS: Yes, boy! Co rnrn:i t. l'. ('!

E! , minutc-:1, or· Or· you can ask it in ·i.n a i.f you IAJ:ish, whatE!VE•r. MR. SPEAKER: The hon . t he member for Gander . I'-1R. BAKEl~ : The other part was - and 1..uanl·: to prolong HrJs, Mr . L2152 May 19, 1988 I do not Mini. s l: e r· Vol XL - I wan ted to be as sure d , on the rE!COrd, that thE!rE! was nothing tn that act Lhat 1..uas no1..u tnf1uencc:•d by this. In othE!r words, j f Uds I~JaS th:is d:i.ffE!Y'E!nCE:1 bei:WE!~'!I1 the fE!der·al and pr·ovinctal ac l·:s, Hwn IAJOU ld L h<:l l~ c hr:·1nq e any l:. hJ. nq :in t. he undE:H'Stand:ing that IAJE! had IAJhE!n IAH:! or]gi.naJ.l.y pas sf:!d t:. hE!

Atlanti c Accor·d? MR. SPEAKER : T h E! h 0 n . t h E! P r E! S i d E! n t 0 f t I"H:! Counc::i l . . MR. SIMMS : I und1:1rst .and t~Jhi.·\t l: ht~ hon . JnE11nb~:.~r· :is saying. Further, the expert l.E:1gal minds tAH~ haV('! wor·king tAr:i.t.h respect to the leg:i s lation development of the legislat:ion, amendments to the legislation, dr·afl':.inq of the amendm(~nl::s .. _such as Uw Clerks at l':l·w TClblE!, tho Legislative Counsel people, Lhey have not made rne aware of any oll'lE!r' pr·oblr:'ms that might r~x:i.st wtth this datE! change.

I do not belirave :it has any eFfE!Ct on any othE!r SE!Ction, and it ts fur·thE!r confir'mE!d by Lhe Cl.er·k at the Tab 1 e , wi t h t hE! nod o F J·w r h E· ad . ~)o t take the adv:iu! of l:.hE! leqal experts, the people who drafted t.he l.eg:i.sl.r.d:.i on. MR. SPEAKER : ts ·it that tho pJ.(~dSI . IY'('! of t.h<->. i·\OUSE! thE! said bill b(:! nol.IJ rE!acl a sf~cond L 'i. rn(~? MR. TULK : Jusl to make a point t.o LhE! Government House Leader. MR. SPEAKER: the hon. the member for Fogo . Ml~. TULI<: If it js unan:imous No. 4-0 possible, consE!nl:., by J.eave Clln by I th·ink IAJe R21S2

couJ.d disp<;!ns~~ t.r.Jii:h CotrunitbH~ i.Hld get right on with it. r:'IJL SIMMS: Thctl cort:a"i.nly IAJoul.d b<,~ ac CE!p l:ctb1<;! to us. if the third party agrees. MR. LONG: WE! agreE!. MR. SIMMS : ThClt is agreE!d. So we couJ.d just do the necessCltny r~~cording. Your Honour could dispense with all the reading and IAJE! IAJould accept. tt ms going through Committee stage as tAJE!ll as thJr·d reading. I do not know if you wouJ.d have to stt at the Table or not. I am not qu:i. te CE!rtain. MR. TULK : No, not with leave . WE! can do 1.1.Jh i:tl: I~Je 1 i I<~, . Ml~.

SIMMS : Al'lything that is done by leaVE!, is done by J.~~<:~VC:!. Ml~. SPEAKER : Is that agreed? MR. SIMMS: Is Lhat agreed. Your Honour? MR. SPEAKER: Agr~H!d. MR. SIMMS: Is that acceptablE• to the Table. I wonder? There is no diFficulty therE!? MR. SPEAKER : Agret~d. Mf~. SIMMS: We have to take a vote on it . So I move third reading, right? Ml~. TIJLK : Right! Take a vote that covers second and third reading. I 2153 May 19, 1988 Vol XL On tnoi:ion. <:~ biJl..

"An Act To Amend The Canada Newfoundland Al1i'1nL-I.c Accor·d Tlnpl.otn<;!ntal:.lon (NetAJfoundland) Act, 11 read a s~:!cond <.·1 n d t h 'i. r· d t :i. m <c~ • o r d ~~ r· o d p a s s ('! d a n d its title be as on the Order Paper. (Bill.No. 32) MR. SIMMS : Your Honour. you IJ.Jish to knov.J tho rwxt itr:Hn of bus:i.rH,1ss. I gUE!SS? It. ts the cont:inuing debate on th~:! MeE!Ch Lake motion. which is Motion 5. I thank hon . mr:!rrtbE!rs. Your Honour. and the table for all y6ur co-oper·a l::i.on. The continuing debate on MotJon 5 1.~1h " i ch 1.1Jas ddj our·n<;!d by t.hro! m<,'l'llber for St. John 1 s East. MR.

SPEAKER: rf.l(;-!1(:;-11:-.. -,J.-, (c' In 0 rn be I" F 0 r· s L ' J 0 h n I s East. MR. LONG: Thank you, Mr . Sp~H~ker . To pick up WhE!rE! I 1E!Ft off, wi.th only r.~ f<,11AJ br·"i.r:d7 contm~HlL-.s br.:!for··e the close of the dobate on Tuesday, in speaking to the arrtE!rldrrtE!nt propoSE!d by the• U.b~:!ra1 P a r"t 1J to L h r:~ tno t j. on p r· E! s E! n to d b 1J thE! goVE!rnrrtE!nt to adopt thE! ME!E!Ch Lakr:~ Accord and the arnE!I'ldtrtr:~nts t.o the Constitution. it SE!E!rnE!d to trtE!, Mr.

Speai<E!r, that it lAJas an interesting lesson in the busjness of hoL•J parltament.:ary affaitns i"lr'e sometimes conducted. The Go v r:H' I'HTW n t: 1·1 o u s c,~ L '~ a d <.;! r , 1/J h o n I