Volume XL Tuesday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 28 3 May 1988

The House met at 3:00p . m. MR. SPEAKER (McNicholas): 0 r·d e r· , p 1 e as r~ ! Statements by Ministers PREMTER PF.CKFOIW: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The ho n . U1P Pre mi. er·. PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr. Speaker, I want to prov"i.de some rnore information to hon. members of t:hr:~ Housr:~ as ·its relates to the Super Puma Helicopter Fl"i.ght. S"i.mulat.:i.on Centre, just to clearly demonstrate the honesty and integrity of this government and mr:~ personally. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Heal", hear!

PREMIER PECKFORD: [ t i. s v <:! i'' y i. m poi" 1: i:l n l: personally and, I arn sure, adminlstration as d whole. l'.o tn'~ to the Gover·nrnE!nl' s offer of $ll . . ?. m:i.l.l.Jon in financial assistance from the Off'shor·e DeveloprrH:~nt. Ftmd to SeaJ.and Helicopters Lirnite!d (a subsidiary of CHC Heli.cophH' Corporation) for the Super Puma Helicopter Fli.ght Simulation Centre was made in a letter of May 8, 1987 from t.h~?. hon. G. R. Ottenheimer, now Senator, to thE! President of the Company.

This letter and thE! attached conditions relating to Government's support for the project was tabled in this House:~ ye:~stc,~rdAy. That ci(,H'Ilt. IAJit:h the $4.2 million from the Offshore DeU(.;! l.oprnE:~nt Fund. ThF.! Prou .i.nc i.al also I. 143 7 May :l, 1988 Vo] XL.. offered finandal assistancE! of J t: s Cll~lrl d <: co i" d ·- Uw P r· o u L n r: o d ·i. d , in addition to tJJhat lJ.Jas prou :ided l: hi" o u 9 h t.i'1 t:! 0 f f s h or· n

I) o v e lop m n n t Fund in the form of a 1oan g u a r· i:l n hH~ o F $ 8 . J 111 J 1.1 i on , M r . Speaker - the gouernmE!tlt. did -· and l: hJ.s I.IJd.S rndd'~ i.n i::l lE!'1:.1·:er· of May 22, 1987. This loan guarantee LJ.Jas 1nade M;:~y 22, 19H7. ThE! Offshor'E! DeueJ.opment. Fund off~r was made on May 8, 19B7, nnd the $8 . 3 mi11 J. on loan guarantee was rnade on May 22, 1987.

I arn going to tablE! nolAJ a lE!tt:E!Y' l: hat lAH-:1 n t f r· om l: he D ~~ part m C'! n t of FinancE! to the company, lJ.Jhich out.1i.nE!d the tE!rrns and cond:it .J ons of this loan guarantee, so that han. members will have the opportunity to haVE! that kind of documentation. '[ n A u y 11 s t. of 1.9 H '7 C 1-1 C H ~~ l. :i c o p t ~'Y' Corpora·l:ion adv:ised thE! hon . the M·i.n .i. s h~l" of :~ i.n,;tnce that the Company was pr'(c!parE!d to Jll(;!et.: thE! l'.r~ Y' Ills cll'l d con d .i. 1: i. on s as p u ~·. forward by Government and wouJd p r· or::~~~ d 1.11 i. t h 1: h '.i. s p r· o j or: 1:: on t h a ·r. basis.

ThE! projE!Ct. was t.h(;!r('!forE! dnnounced on Or:l:oi:HH' 9, 198'7. Yesterday, the Leader of the Opposlllon dsl<od the question, 'Why was thE!rE! so lortg a pE!t~:lod in bE! t.l;.Je e:1 n? ' It lAfa s ann o u n c '~ d on October 9, which represented the earliest t"i.me that all parties concerned could arrangE! for a pr~~ss conferE!I'lce; the company, the federal government and ourselves. So t.:hc-:1 d<:~lay frorn August: to October was just due to getting all three parties to agree to a press release and bE! able to announcr:1 it:. That lJ.Jas thc,1 only reason.

Since OctobE!r, then onE! couJ.d ask i'. he q u ~~ s t 'i. on , I Hd n I< , 1:'. h a t l.IJa s askE!d yestE!rday, also, 'HolJ.J carne 1: he l': h i.n g has not s 1.·. a r· L: c d an cl t;Jh y No. 28 R1437

is it still delayed?' Si.nce October of 1987 CHC Helicopter Corporation has bee!n working with Government and the other parties involved to put in place the le:)gal doct~mentat.-.i.on i':tnd formal agreements relating to the condit:i.ons as outlined i.n the t.IAJO letters of offer from government.

There tAJas a number of condi. ti.ons attached to the Offshore DE!Velopmc,)nt F1md Gr·ant, and thAro lA.Icl!; obvious 1 y , in . t. he 1 e t ·t. e r I a rn tabllng today, a whole range of conditions attached to our loan guar·an l.:ee, tAJh i.ch l din nOIAJ mRk i.ng pubJjc, This has included documentation and -for~nal agr·ee:11nen l:s r·el.~1l: i.ng "l:o condi tj ons as outlined in the two leltor·s of offer fr·om GOIJernmenl:.

A·l: the samE! time, CHC Hel:icopter Corpor·r.~t i.on has bE!Cn fir.1al. izi.ng agreements relating to its financing of the project they had to finalize legal docume:)ntat.ions of agreements for the money that they were going to put "ln. But not only did t.hey have to finalize legal document.at:i.on related to the financing that they were going to put. :i.n as a corporation, b11t perhaps even more importantly contractual arrangements had to be entered into with CAE Electronics Limi.ted of Montreal., and lhe simulator's manufacturer, Aerospat.ial.e of France, the manufacturer of the Super Puma H e 1 t c o p Ltn· .

A l. l. o f t h A I'H~ c: e s s a. i" y documentation for· the final J.egal agr·ec-~ment s be-I:.IAJeen Gover·nmon-1: t.Hld the CHC Helicopter Corporation are no1AJ Jn l:hn hiHH~s of l:ho Compclny for execution. ll.: i.s nol : Ul'lUSRl Ford pr·ojE:)Cl: of this nature and magnitude to take! timE! to have dl.l of the implementation details worked out L.t438 r'lay 3, 1988 Vol XL after the initial dec:i.sion is made by all parties to procee!d.

This project, in particular, bc,1cause of its highly te!chnical nature and the involvement of other parties such as CAE Electronics and Aerospatiale, has taken considerable time to have alJ. of the formal documentation finaJ.ized. HoWeVE!r, this prOCE!SS i.s necessctry to protect the interests of Government and thE! taxpayers of lhe Province. At t:h'i.s t :i.me, hov.1ev~;:1r, Gover·nmc~!nt is confident that the pr·oj ect. is n OIAJ i" E~ ad y t. o p r· o c: e o d l :. o i. t s physical implementation stage and i:ha.-1: tho si.mul.ai:or· should be 'in place and operational within an 1.3 -monl:h po1nJod .

T'he letter attached is to the President of the company from lhE! DeparlmE~nt of Fi.nr.\ncr:1, which goE~s through the terms and conditions for the loan guarantee which attempts, if you read through them it is condition (1), and c o n d i t i o n ( 2 ) h a s e 1 E! v E!fl p a r· t s t o :i. t - t. o pro t e c t our :i. n t e r E! s t s for cross-guarantees and so on. The provision of the $8.3 miJ.l:i.on loan guarantc,1e is s11bj E!Ct l:o t:he terms and conditions listed below, which i.nc'l11de the conf:i .rmat:i.on of the prior flow-through of Se!aland H E~ J. j_ C 0 p h?. r S $ 2 . 1.

In il 1 i. 0 n E! q U :.i. t. y contribution thE!Y have to put the :il" monoy up fr·onl~ befor·e IAJe would. The approvaJ. of the f•~deini:lJ. govc-?.r·nmE:!ni.: for 1-:.hei.r· offshore development fund, $4 uLi.lJ.:i.on; f :i.nr.ll.:i.zai:'i.on of a revietAJ by AtJ.antic Enterprise programme, 1.1Jhi.c:h IAJdS done~ and thf:!y 1-llri'H :!d "i.t dotAJn primarily because of i ts (~duc:at:·i.onaJ. compononl: and ser·v.ice cowpone!nt. On co the aga ·.in, ProvinCE!, No. 28 i.i.: .i.s and an c:~rc,~a lAJhE!re I am sure any R1438

members here would have a great argument with the federal government, and not a day goes by b u 1-. IAI c r3. r e F i.lj h 1-. -j_ n g l: h i_ s b u s j_ n 0. s ~ ; why the Atlantic Enterprise pr·ograuuno could not ·. appr·ovt~ a certain level of funding for this kind of a project escapes me. Tho edLica-1: i.onal componF.nlL, apparently, !Alas sort of t:.he straw l: hat br·oke the cam~1 l.'s back, because it then was looked upon as more of a servi.ce thing rather than a manufacturing thing, even service in the sense that it would be servicing thE! offshore, and is not therefore rnanufactur:i.ng.

And that is the reason why the Atlantic Enterprise programme turned it down. But this i.s one of a seri .es of ongoing problems we have with some of lhe ·fc;!dE!ral loan progrr'-lllliTIE!S and financing programmes . The announce111onts arF.! grc"H<~t, bul.: th(':! fine print is very hard to get through. rhe provision of d mortgag:~ on offshore heJ.icopter technology · fac-i.l. · i _ l ·. i.r~s; cross--guari'lnl:r:!es fr·otu Sealand Helicopter's Limited and any o ·l··.her· affi.l·i .a-l:es IAihi.r:h may obtain spin-off benefits from thE! pinojocl :.

Thesr,~ i'\1"0. dl.J. r:ondJ.li .ons attached l:.o our· loan guarantee . Provision of an independent certified asSE!Ssment of the value of the non-cash assets that Seal.and HE!licopter·' s LimitE!d wil.J. contrtbut~1 to OHT. The provision of draft and signe:1d contracts between Sealand Hel.i.copt.E:1rs and CAE. The establishment of a suitable holdback from CAE , ... lith respect to the manufacture and install.ation of the strnulator. 1 I Ali 1.1 n o t r e f.\ d 1:: h E! rn a 11 . L14J9 May 3, 1.988 Vol XL are al.l there . The conditions arE! thero. But.

T thi.nk l:he ma::i.n point is just to clearly indicate, as a rr~Sllll: oF d J.c~git:.i.mat.E! qtJesU.on from the Opposition about j_ t.:, the s E!in .1. e:1 s of 0. v e n -1-. s 1:-. h a t o c c u r r ~:H:l t o ensure that Government was not onJ.y do:i.ng '"'hat tJJas ri.ght but. IAias perceivHd to be doing things thai:. ar·e rJght, and thr.lt ·i.s thE! po·i.nt, I guess. So _I t:abJ.E! that for aLl hon. members in the House. I th i nk the Leader of thE! Oppostt.ion and thE! Leader of the NDP have coptes . r~R. WELLS : Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. thE! of t. hE! Oppos :i. t ion . MR. WELLS : Mr.

SpE!akE!r, I takE! it now frotn t h F.! !; t. a t. c,1 rn e n t: t h a ·t :l s 1:. a b l E• d , t. h a t. the comment the Premier made a couplr:! of days ago about !:-.hE! conditions not yet bE!ing acCE!ptE•d l~ldS noi·. Y'Odll.y r:Ori"OC 1:., PREMIER PECKFORO: It was more the documr-~ntctt . i.on . MR. WEL LS: The legal. necessities had not been completed, btlt +.:he r:ondi t i.ons had beli:!n accE!pt.E!d and thE! pr·oposaJ. :is g o :i. n g t h In o u g h p u r s u a n t. to t h <" terms and conditions set out :in the l.t::1ttE!r's of Mcty 8 and May 22, and those thtngs are now under way .

The announcement was made on 9 October, IJJhE!n all partiE:'S cotJld get together. It was a joint annoiJnCEHrH:1nt. by thc,1 Gov~~rnrnont. of Canada, the Government of Newfoundland and CHC. Th ·oi.s IAihoJ.e matter arose of course in the context of -Lhc,1 reCE!nt: d-.ispu+-_E! t.hat No. 28 R1439

·. has been going on between Mr. Dobbjn, somebody outside this House, and the han. the Prem:ier as to what arrangements had been made between Mr. Dobbin on behalf of CAC heltcopters and the han. the Prr:~m-i.er, tAJi.th respect to t.he Premier proposing to go to work for a subs :i.d"iary of that company. That, of course, has been denied by the Premier. And this does clear up, I frankly say, a number of points that were raised. I cannot say to the House, Mr. Spr:~akr:~r. that i.t r·esolves all doubt whatsoever as to whether or not f.:her·r:~ i.s po l':enLi.r:~l For a conflict of interest in the s.i.I~. Ltation.

T thi.nk thai: yet remains to be seen, and unless and u n t J J. 1. '"l e h a v 0. a n o p port: 1.1 n i -1: y to spE!ak fully tAdt:h Mtn. Dobbin, that cr.1nnol" bf:! fully cJ.earod. 13111: T do h.ave · l~o fr ·ankly say, Mr·. SpeakE!r - ~>OMF HON. MF.:MR E I~S: Oh, oh! MR. WELLS : [f the hon. gentlemen would listen, they might hear something. AN HON. MEMBER: I think you have already heard it. MR. PATTERSON: You will not say who is paying your cheqt.te. MR. WELLS : I was about to say, Mr.

Speaker, t h a i~. 1": h e o r d E! r o f e v e n l s s e t: o u 1.: Jn these documents do clearly ind"'i.catc !::hal" a fi.nn rH'Y'<:Hl901Tif'!l'll: had b<~E!n entered into ·- had bE!en i"' g r o E! d u p o n , l h e d o c: u me n !:!; lv1<:l n o I: beE!I'l signed t:h~~ terms and c o n <H l:::i. o n s o f 1.: h o F :i. r· m r:H' Y' '" n g o tn n n t had been essentially agreed upon b y a b o u 1". /. ?. M i:l y , a s f i:H' d ~' L h o gover·nmE!nt ts concerned, and I prE~SI .tme som<:~ l: t m<:' in (.)ugusl.: l:he company indicated its acceptance L ll~4-0 MRy 3, 1988 Vol. XL of ·i.t.

So clearly that arrangement was in place at that t.-LtrtE!. Not~.t, Mr. Sp<,~aker, I do point out thai: thE! discussions which gave rise to these rnany qUElStions of the last. week or so occurE:H~ the very n~~xt month, in September, and it dOE!S behoove us to explore the thing fully and satisfy the public of this Provtnce thi.ilt tht:~re · is, ·tndeE~d. no conflict of inte!rest. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, ht~ar! MR. FENWTCK : Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Uw 11wmber· for Ml':~t'l."i.hek. MR. FENWICK : Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Tho pr·ojec1 : i.s ono t.h~t T st·.·ill have a lot of trouble tAJith, not a s i.t concerns ~ direct confl i ct with the Premier in terms of talking about: a job offEH'. HE! i.ndicat.E!S that the press conferenCE!, I t hi. n k , was o n 9 0 c to b r:~ r . I t hi n k the other thing he could have poin-ted out i.s that the CHC helicopter prospectus, IAJhich was published in June or July of Jast year·, also had thE! loan guarantE!E! i.n i.t. and also th,,~ $4.2 rnJ.J.J.::i.on from the offshore fund.

So, afte!r we originally r·aiSE!d that question in November, when the PrE!mier confirmed that hE! 1.1.1a s t ·. r::~l k -j n g to t-1·1 i"' L :i. n d :i. v oi d u i3. J. abo 1 J t pos sib] e employment, no rnati:E !r hotAt r·i.rtn, afb :!r looking a-t: all. t:hr:1 documentation and listening to it, Lhai: I do no t think is LhE! problem. I think the problem that Si:i.Jl, I"E~tnai.ns ·i. S l~thy IAJB i:H'E! putting this much money into a p;~ojoci: l.j. l<o i:hJ .s. T noi.:Jcf:1 in the l<c:~tter of 22 May, tAJhich sEd: s No . /. 8 R J.l~lW

out the terms and conditions to CHC for the loan not l:he offshore money, but for t.he $8.3 million loan guarantee in looking at all the conditions, I d o n o t: s (o' e a n y t h ·'i. n g J n UHH' 0. a b o IJ t student training, and I understood fr·om I: he Pr·om'i.or 1 s c:o111rneni.:s hf:l made t:o me about a month ago, I HJi.nk, ;·. hml ·. U1dl : I~Jds orH:! of l:he rnajor· considHrations on it. I IAJoul.d suggesL, i.f l:hosr~ m·e r1J.l. t.he ter'TTI!.; that have bE!C:Hl out.linE!d, Uwn l.: hal.: t.>JdS probably r:Hl afterthought to the whole thing that was brought in afterwards.

PREMIER PECKFORD: That was done long before the conditions for the loan were done. MR. FENWICK: The other point to make, Mr . SpHak(,~r, is that we have che:~cl<ed with Canadian Aviation Electronics, CAE Electronics in Montreal, because we wantE!d to know uJhat. the dire:~ct. job cr'(,~ati.on here was since we do have $8 million on a loan guarantee and then money from the offshore Fund. TL·. is our undE!rsU~nd'ing that if it is run one shift a day, LrJf~ a in E! l. a 1 k i.n g r:1 b o 1.1 t four or f i. v c~ jobs on the direc ·t simulator 'i. l:. s f~ 1. f. N01.11, l·.h0.

PinEnrri . r~r -i.n pr·ev:i ous answers t.o questions has gi.llf:!l'l !)01110. spin ·Off, r.tnd tnd i.r·c~cl : , and all that sort of stuff, but bas"i.cdll.y the po.int hore is i:hat we are looking at maybe between f-Lue and len jobs rnaxtmum on t.:he ~; t~r~ulator itse:~Jf and i-1: is highly qucst.ionab1(~ "i.n my m'i.nd IJJhethE!r' that is the kind of thing that $8.3 rnil.J.ion woY'I::h of +.:he:~ Province's credit should be backing.

It. doc,~s nol:. se:~em to i'nE! to be an appropriate floi.IJ of jobs in rel.:urn for the amount of security that is there and, tndE!ed, i.n retur·n for· Lhe 25 pe:~r c E! n t of ·t h e $ 4 . 2 rrri 11 i o n w h i c h i s May 3, 1. 9138 U o 1 X I_ a littJ.e over $1 million of our rnone:~y as I~Je11. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR. FENWICK: 0 n t 1·1 d l: b a !; '1. !; , M I" . :) p E~ '" I< ('! r , I question the project, but I do not 4 u e !) l: i. o n L h r~ fa c i: L h a t: 1.: h C'! r (:~ i s any connection with the job offer . MR . . LONG: Good quesl:.i.on . MR. BUTT: Mr. Speaker . MR.

SPEAKER : Th(,~ han. the MinistE :!r of Cult.ln·e, Recreation and Youth. MR. BUTT: Mr . SpeakE~ r, i. t i. s 1~1i . l: h a g r· oat: dE!aJ. of plE!asurE! that I announcE! new initiatives wi.th respect to our vaJ.ued and highJ.y regal~d E !d provi.nc.i.al park syst"Hn in Newfoundland and Labrador. While our high the more provincial parks recei.ve a rating from most who avail of facilities, government feels can and should be done to 'i. ncr· o as e 1: h n "'t t r a c 1:'. ·i. v (:~ness "'' n d boost. t.he enjoyrneht leVE!l. It is 1.1ri.l:h th 'i.s 'i.n mJnd that T announce a private sector sector initiative.

The private sector initiative, I•Jhi.ch ~;(".OITIS fi"Olll a neiAJ pi:~rk classification system, was d (~ u (~ l 0 p (:! d I.IJi. t h L hI~ ~:l E! s p E! c ·.L f ·.i c purpoSE!S in mind: ( 1) To enhHnce visJtor e:~njoyrn(,~nt of thE~ p<.~i"k environment t:hrough the pi"Ovision of bett.(:~r sC:H'ViC(:H;;

(2) To E!ncourage a higher dE!grE!E! of usage of our provi .nC'i.al parks; and,

(3) To incrE!ase opportuni U .E!S for thE! privatE! sector, UHoH'E~by :incr(,'asing employment. Under the new parks poJ.icy, all No. ?.13 R 11~41

seventy-five provincial parks in NE!IAJfoundl.and and Labrador· IAJJ.l.J. bl:! o p e n e d u p L o n EllA! i n i t. i at. i v e s . T h e applicEint Cr:<tn be ct company, non--profit organization, a grotJp or person. In instances where more than one applicant wishes to oper·ate the sarne concession 'in the same park, competitiVE! tendering rules tAJi.ll apply. To gi.ve a fetAl possibilities, someone may wish to offer· a fast-food 01~tlet. at Butterpot Park, or arts and crafts sales at Grand Codroy, or provide facilities and equipment for boat ri.des in water oriented parks.

The options are numerous, and the s pi. n ·-of f b <,~ n E! f i. t s IJ.Ji. d E! - r a n g ·i n g i. n areas of tourism, employment, :improved outdoor roc:r·r~at'i.onal expe:H·ience, and enhanced visitor r'! nj o ynHHll:. r-1 r . ~3 FH~ r.t k o r· , 1.: o 0. n s u r· o s u r: r: 0. s s of thjs new policy, successful appJi. C<.Hl'l:~; ITII.IS'l: fol.l.OIAJ ~; l·.i" i Ci: guj deline:~s set doiJ.Jn by the rh1 p a r t mE! t'l'l: of II e a l. t h , T r i:Hl s p o r· t Cat1ada and Provind .a1 Par·ks.

A 1. s o , iHl y p r o p o s a J. s t..~J h i c h rna y h a v r~ a sJgnificant amount or r•isk tJ.Jill r e q 1 d. r e i'\ p p r o p r 'l a t E! J n s u r· <.Hl c e ;:1n d liability . Obviously, the:H'C:1 t.~.rill. be:1 stHrt·-up costs associated tAJith most of the proposals, however, government will not provide new funding to assist. If the applicant wishes to secure governiTIE!nt funding, it tAJi.l.l have:1 to be done t:hro1Jgh accessing existing programmes, of which tht:H'1::1 ar·~1 rnany, thE!

A i::l.Hnti.c Canada Opportunies Agency, Federal B1~sin!::!SS 0E:1Veloprn(;!nl.: fl;:~nl<, Ca nada/N~~t..~Jf ou ndla nd Subs :id iar y To1u··i.sm AgrcH!mont ;:·lnd so on. Operators will also be expected to p;:<ty a fee for• a por•m-li: to orHH'f.li:r~ :i11 parks, based on a p~~rcetTtage of gr·oss r·ovrHlUe or· a fldl: bttsi.l'lP.~;~; t"ate det.c·H'mirH:~d by thE:1 nature of 1.: he bus J. n r~ s ~; . 1.1442 May 3, 1988 Uol XL. Advertisement of this initiative 1.1.ri J. J. c a J.l f o r p r o p o ~; a l s f r o rn t: h e public on conct:!ssion acU.vity, and Lhe deadl:inE! For· submi.ss'ions is May 23, 1988.

So it is important that we get on with i.t now for this season. In this rE!gard, information kits and standard application forms are available by contacting the Department of Culture, Recreation and Youth, some of which are being circulated here today. After it is received, the application will be reviewed by a commii:t.E!E! wh:i.ch wJ1J. e:1 v E! n l·. u a 1.1 y p r· E! p c.·l r· e r· ~:! c o rnrn E:1 n d a t. :i o n s for me . I 1.1.1 o u 1 d 1 i k E! t o t. a I< e a rn orne n t l: o po:i.nt o1 .~ 1.: tha 1·: no pi"OV-:i.nc'ial pc.·\r·k will bt:' privatized. This is not p r i. v aU.

L f.l t i. o n o f p r· o v i n ci. a 1 parks. I say that for the benefil oF l:he hon. rnr~rnbr:!i" fol" Sl:. John 1 ~; East (Ml". Long), tAJho f'igurE!S thc:d.: 1 pi" i. v at J 7 at i. o n 1 i. s a d .i. I" l.: y 1;.1 o l" d . The Department of Culture, R f:! c r o a t i. o n a n d Y o 1.1 l: h tAd. 1.1 1 rt a :i n 1': ;ri. n full control of thE:1 par•l<s systEmt. Only l·.ho!>0 r:onCE!SS"i.on r:.~ct·.:ivit.'iE!S tAJhich are cornpa·tible to th<'! par·k in question will be awarded t.o the private sector .

The intent. of the new policy is to diversify thE! parks system by offering a wider variety of outdoor rE!Creationa1 expE!riE!nCE!S for park users. The ptjbl:ic IAI~il1 have a greatE!r choiCE! that. may r·r.1nge fr·om tr·1.tl.y IALi.ldc,H'rH:!SS appreciation to structurE!d carnping areas and serv'i.ce. In surnrnat.J.on, Uwn, Mr·. SpE!ill<~:!r, our provincial parks system is dosi. gnc~d t:o pJ.c,'f.ISt'! vi.s:i . Lors and users. By providing · better s o r· LJ i. c: o s t:-1 n d fa c :i 1.

J. t "i.e s , 1~1 E:1 h C'! l p to encourage many return visits. l"he pr·ogi"r.H(IJTIO I~) i.J.J. hi'1V(c1 many dir·ect and anc:illar·y I:HHwfits for . nol-. only 1:hr,1 pc.u·k~; !;y!d:cwt b11t: fol" No. 28 R 14'1·2

the Prov:incc.;! you very much. a ,. _, whole. Thank SOMf HON. MEMBERS: H e a r , ~H'! a r ! MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Leader of the Oppos t l:i.on . MR. IIIJEU.S: Ml". Speah~ r, I most sincerE:1ly c:ommond Uw 9 o tJ or· n rn C:! n l: on -l:h i.s ·.i n i t. i a t i v e . Our· pai"ks irt this Pr·ovince, I t~.Joul.d hatJe l ~ o S1·lY, r\r'e one~ of l:he reaJ. ;.uccess stories of government a c 1: -i. v i. t-.:i.es :i_ n tho Pro vi. nco f cw a long period of time, starting with thE:~ for·rner gotJernm<:~n 1: r'lnd continued IAJi th all of the govE:~rn111enl~s . On the whole, thE:~Y have done a very good job.

Perhaps the saddE!St commentary on it is thE:~re has not been adequate funds to provide enot~gh par·!< facilities. Too many of our people still have to find a gravel pit or somewhere on the side of the road in whi.ch to park or pitch a tent. MR. PATTERSON: Whal: 'is wrong w'i.l:h a gr·aveJ. pi.1:? MR. WELtS: That is all right. There is no Uri ng tAJrong t~li. H1 a grr.wol p i.l: for purposes of a gravel pit. SOME IWN. MFMRER~i ; Hear·, ~Hc~ar! MR. WELI, S : Ser·iously, Ml".

Spe:1aker, il. is obvious thai : nol : only t:he vis .Hors but a large proportion of our population in this Province take advantage of and enjoy the park fad.litiE!S that Hre available-:~. In this regard, I think the init.tative that t:he gove:~rnmE!nt :is Ll443 May 3, 1988 UoJ. XL taktng in this particular circumstance is an extremely good inttiaU.ve, a very SEHlsiblE! one.

Not only will it provide ~dditional faciliti e s and additional basis for E!nj oyrnEHlt of i:he prH'k fRci.J"it:i.I 0!S, i.t IAJ:i.J.J. provide opportunity for small c~nl~er·priso.s, IAihc~Lher i.l·: i.s gro1.1ps or co-ops or individuaJ.s or tAihr:ll·.evc~ r·, ·1-.o c;:·lri"Y on dnd pr·ornol:E! businesses. I sincerely commend ·l·. he- m·i.ni. s'i:r:!ln f:'lnd t:hn dopdr-i :lnc;!nl:., and the whole goVE!rnrnenl:. for that rnr:l t t. or· , b o c cl u !; A T. t h J n k "i. L is a very good and a very sound inii.:ii:1'i: 'i. ve.

Thc;!r'e r.~rc:! a COI~pl.E! of li u~l.e things that I would raise, sincerely, I do not think the think is quite pE!rfect. I think the:~ b.VE:H1Ly days noti.ce:~ thai: he:~ has given to pE!OplE! -to subrn:i.t proposals is not adequate. This initiative ought to havE• been announced last January, perhaps, sometime, to give adequate opportunity. (lnybody 1-11ho did not have sorne kind of an inkling beforehRnd t.hal:. Lh:-i.s 1-1tas go:i.ng to happen would have little or no opporl:unil".y t.o prc.:!SE!nl: a reasoned and well-founded proposal.

Tt.venty dr'lYS Js just: r·eall.y not r.u1E!CJI.Ii:<d:e or fair to peopJ.e who are in i: or· f:! s 1·: o d . l 1-: h i. n k i·: h n t" c~ ought. to be more time invoJ.vEH~, and t.hE! rn·i_ n 'i. !; 1: f~ r· i" r~ a l. l y o ugh l... l: o cons 'i d C'! t" - • MR. BUTT: T '"' o ul. c:l b u p r· e p H I" e d l: o a c c c;! p 1:: (inaudible) response, right! MR.

WEI .LS : I think, in any eVE!nt, thE! mi. rri. ~; t Cc1 r r E!i~ 1 J. y o ugh 1:'. 1'.: o cons i. d c,1 r extending it to about ·thE! rn:lddlE! of June, to give people a reasonabJ.e opportunity to put foriAii:lrd a IAiell-reasoned and well-supported proposal . No. 28 R 144.3

AN HON. MFMBFR : Tht~ park:. open in May . (.)N HON. MFMBER: That : doo5 not : mc.li : tc~r . MR. WELLS : That does not matter, when parks open . You can start concession a little later. does not make any diff~rence. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR. WELLS : the thf:! That The other thing that I raise a quest:.ion about : , r.lnd fHH'hr.lp5 •~t some time the minister might dddross the que s l.:'i.on, J s t.uho constitutes · thc~1 committee that mr:·\I((~S Lho r:~COHirnendal·.i.on Find ~~rho appoints that conmd.ttc.;!e? I think 1: ha 1: l:ha 1: may be -i.mpori:Mll:.

M1·· . that I 0 n 1: h n ~~~hole , emphasize again "i.nii:i.ai : i. lJO Find government for it. SOME HON . MEMBERS: Her.1r, hef.lr! MR. LONG: Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : ~3 p o a k o r· , 1 it i:. a good r; ornrrlt'Hld l: h r~ The han . l: he mEtmbHr for St. John 1 s East. MR. LONG : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is an intorosting statement the rnin:i st:er has brought in today, but t.he Leadc~r of the Opposi . l.:ion 5i'lys it ·.is not adequate to give huenty day!; notice. 1 1~roul.d s a.y, l·. o anybody out ther·e who might be cons tdnr·'i ng do u o 1 o p ·i ny an Jd C:!a for· L 14.44.

May 3, 1988 Vol XL a concessJon, i. l: J.~> ;:l b ·i.t'. of a joke the way the minister has br•oJ.II:Jhl: for·t,Ji:\rd t•rhr:'ll: ho cr.dl.s an innovative and important progr'i'lHIInf.'. PC:lopl.c~ ar·r:! l.ook:ing fonuard to the May 24 weeke!nd, and wo ;:~ r l~ r.1 J. r· c,1 d d y in t: o t h r:t month of May, and you arE! giving them ti.AJenty day5 noU.CE! to pt~t i:oget:he:~r a proposal to the department. The minister says that he, lri. m s e J. f , IAri 1 1. b e t h e l a s t a r b J b1 r behind thE! comrnitt.E!E! to decide 1Alhl':1rr:! progrt:"lrrlml':~S rH'e going to go.

I would assume the minister is expe:1cting to be working tl.uenty-five hour days OVE!r the next couple of Wl':1el<s to- SOMf:;_~Q~. MEMBF.J~S : Oh, oh! MR. LONG : The r· 0. :1. !; go ·i. n f::J t. o adrni ni strati v e nig htmi.U'E! pr·o<~Jinr.lllllne, Mr·.

Spor.\k(!i " . think that the br:! an IAJ'.i th thJ S T lAJOij ld rn:i.n:i s Le r t'OSpOrl!) 'i.bJ.E! fOl" Ol.lt' fli'li"' k!; 1'.1~> IAl(!l,l as cultiJre, recre!ation and youl:h ar: 1.: iv:i.'l: i.o! ; I looki .ng for'IAJdl"d t.:o recreation programmes in the Surnmor·, wouJ.d hdue:~ rnr:-~ny ot.l·wr things to do dealing wi th th e cultur·al colmTlt.lnit.y r.1nd t:he preservation of Heritage sH:.E!S and so on, Lhi.Hl to br:~ spc,HHhng R11 h:.Ls time trying to make sense of a progr·arnme that, from 1Alhc1t IAJe ser:' in the minister 1 s staternc:!nt today, has bE!E!n uer·y poorly pr'E!pared I and is very unclear in the

definitions of the kinds of concessions. SOME HON. MEMBERS : oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER : Ordc!r, pl.l':1ase! MR. LONG: We could SE!e a f'asl: conc~;:1s s ion at rluti':er·pot. f do nol : knOLIJ .J. ·f L1Jf:! No. 2 8 R 144lJ .

are expecting to see golden arches go up at Butterpo·l: Park, and somE! of these bigger operators seize the opportunity to come in and take over some of the provision of services in which the government should be taking a more activo role as we moue into the Summer season. I mean, you have giiH!n us a ljst of par·ks in the Province, mosl: of IAihi.ch arc wJ.I:hout t.·1ny kJnd of eJ.c,~ctr·ical hookups fo1" the US ('!t'S, And l:he Lc-:~adc,~r of the Opposition pr~opl0. going l:n bE:~CaUSl':l the fE!eS in tal.kr~d r.~bout: g r· a u e 1 p j t s OIH' piH' I<~; r:1 r (~ t 0 0 0. X fHHl !) -i_ IJ C .

Tho r· e a r· e a J.ot of concer·ns about t·.hc pl"OVi.si.on of bas 'i.e SE!r·vtco~; i.n OUI" parks that are completely U n i'l d d r 0 S S C~ d . Tl'w 9 0 V E! r n m C~ 1'1 -1.: i. S abandoning its responsibi1ity for the development of the parks system and turning it over to the pr i.vate Sf~ctor. I t..uould say finally, Mr. Speal<t::~r, that there is a rnisnofliE!r on thE! programme. If it is a private sector initiative, then LI.Jhy is the rni n is t. e r i. n c 1 u d -i. n g the p o s s i. b i.l i. t y for· non-pr·ofit organizaU.ons?

And I wo1.1ld Rsk furt .her tf the ministc~r· had any consult.at:ion LI.Jit.h any of thf~ t..ui.ldli.fE! gr·oup~;, 1-.he salmon people, indiutduals 1..uho arE! out thei"O who rni.ght i.ndeod be :interf:~s ·ted it1 developing recreation act ·i vJ l· . .i.o!;, bc~fot'

f) ho b r· o u g h t. :i. n s u c h a p o o r· l y p r· epa r· e d pr·ogr'r:tmrne. Thi'Hlk yo11, Ml". Spci·lknr·. MR. PF()CII: M I" . S p e r::tl«,~ r· . MR. SPEAI<EI~: The:~ hon. the Minister of Housing. MR. PEACH: Ml".

Spc:!ai<E!r, responsible for Labr·ador Hous·:i.ng as Minister Newfoundland and Corporation, I am Ll/.1.45 May 3, 1988 Vol XI. plE!asod to anno1mCE! that tl1e Corporation has successfully negotiated an agreement with Torngat Regional Housing Authority that I..Ui.ll see, for the first timE! in Labrador, thE! dirE!Ct deliVE!Y'Y or fodt~ral/pr·oiJincJ.aJ. funding for housing programmes by a nat'ivE! o r· g a n "i. z a t.: i. o n ·r. o n a +: i u <'! f d rn j_ 1 J. E~ s and senior citizens. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hoar·, hoi'lr! MR. PEACH: IJ n d or· i. h i. s i'l g r' r,~ r~ rn o n I: , M 1" .

S p E~ r.·1 k <'! r , Tor·ngat Regjonal Housing Authority w·i.ll bn respons·lble for the deJ.iuery of close to one half milli.on dollars ($445,000) this year in fE!deral/prouincta1 fund:i ng i:hr.d: IAr:i.J.l. bP. mad(~ av<:~ : ll.abl.e undE!r the Residential Rehabilitation A ~; ~; J. s t a n c o P r· o g r' iHIIn e ( R r~ A

P) i'~ n d thE! EmergE!ncy Repc:dr Programme. In NE!IA.rfolJndl.dnd and l. abrador·, Mr'. Speaker, the RRAP and Emergency Repair Programmes are cost-shared by Canada Mortgage and Housing Cor·porr.d:i.on (CMiiC) and NLHC. The basic intent of thE!Se prograrnrnE!S, Mr·. Spf:~aker, is t.o assist low-income families undertake the necessary repairs that w·LJ.l make thE:dr homes safe and suitab}E! to live i.n. M r· . S p r~ ;:~ k n r , 1·: h J s r.1 g r f~ E! me:~ n -!-. i s significant in l:hc-:~t it allows a n ;:1 t i. 'J e 9 l" o 1 1 p l·. o :i. d

f) n i-. i F y c r i. l:. i. c ;;:, 1 housing needs of native families a n r:J o f :; r:! n "i. o r· ~' i n c o i'l f> t. r~11 Labrador·. Close to SO na'l:.iVE! f d ur.i. l. i n ~; a n d !; ~~ n to r· ~; l i 1ri. n q i n HopedaJ.e, Makkovjk, Nain, P 0 ~; t: V-i. J.l. f~ iHl d R J 9 0 J. (:! i:: IAJ.i. l.J. bE! n E! f :i. t Fr·orn t.h:i.s agt"f:!C~Inc-:~ITt. My han. colJ.eagues would be interested lo know, Mr. Speaker, that thE! Torngai: Regional Housing Author·i.ty has bHC:!I'l · actJv<;!11) pursuing better housing for the No . 2 8 Rl/.1.45

nat.iut~ p~::wple of Labrador for the p a s t f "l lJ 0 y NH' !) . S .i. n c 0 Uw 1 9 El 6 dgning of tht1 Global Agr~::~ement be I:IAJ08tl I: he h~denll. r:\nd Pr·ov inc: i.dl. Couer·rmu :1 ntr, 1.uh:i ch gave the P r· o v ··i. n r: o i'l n c x c 1. u s i. v P. r· o 1. c i. n adrrd nJster:ing housing progr·ammes, Nl .. liC hds L~Jor · lcod closely t~Ji . th Torngat Regional Housing Authority t:o address naLi .lJf:! hotJsing neods i.n coastal Labrador. I would also like to point out, Mr.

Spc,~r.\kc,~r, i:.hat th~~ Gou~:!rnrnE!nt has been working very closely with o t h e r n a t i. u e1 g r· o IJ p s s u c h a s t h e Davis Inlet and Sheshatshit Band Councils to idc,~nt:lfy local hous -i. ng needs and to E!ncour·age local hous -i. ng committees to become actively involved in targeting hotJs-i.ng dc:!VE!loprnE!nt for n;:~t"i.vr:! pE:~ople. Ml" . Speaker, the,~ signing of Uris AgE:~ncy Agr•c:!r:!mr:!nt·. IAJi.t:h Tor·ng,q+· .

Regional Housing Authority serves ·t-.o "i.l.J.u ~>i".r·;;,l·:o l:hn Go,Jer·nrnen1 ·. 1 ~; deter·rrd naU on to wo1nk IAdth native g r o u p s a r:r· o ~> s Labt"ador· to nai:i.lJe people. Spea I<<-?. r, t.ue N f~ IAJ F o u n d 1. r.\ n d bett.etn serve A 1: 0. v C:! r· y 1: u r· n , IJJ:i.ll continue i\l'ld our Mt". to oncour' ,:."igc !:he p~lr .. i: i. c:i.pal : Lon of native organiz~tions in planning and i.tnpll~rnenl·. i.ng programme~> dnd services for our native people. I rn:ight add, Mt".

SpeakC:~r, that my colleague, the M:lnistcr for Nor·thern Development, is del.i.ver:i.ng t.h.is stC\tE!ment .: :in Goose Bay this afternoon. Thank you. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR. K. AYLWARD: Mr . Spt~dkE!r . MR. SPEAKF.R : The hon. the member for· St.f!!flhl':~nv.J.l.ll~ . I_ 144.6 May 3, 198B Vol Xl MR. K. AYLWARD : Thanf< you, Mr·. Spee~ker. T wo 111. d l i I< r:! '1'. o l: hi:\ n k 1". he rnt n i. st. c~ r· for a copy of his statement . I spodf< on behalf of my c:ollor.\gUE!, the member of Waterford-Kenmount, IAJho :i.!; away l~oday. We t~H~lcotrtl':~ the announcement, Mr.

SpeakE!r, that. l'. h C r• c~ h r:\ ~; b P. (~ n c'\ 11 a g r· C (,~ rn t~ 11 1: S :i. 9 1'1 E! d 1.ui th thE! Torngat Regional Housing Author·i. l~. y, and tAlE! comrnc,!nd that group for its efforts in trying to tmprouc:! lhe hot.tsi.ng n~:!C;!ds of thE! people in that area : We welcome, also, the amount of mon~;:~y for repi:dr·s unciC'!Y' the RRAP Progr·amrne, and also thE! ErrtE!rgE!ncy Rc,~pai. r Programme, t.~Jhi.ch I t:h:ink :is a programme which should be ~~mphi'ls:i.:zc,~d rnuch mor'f! . WC'! wou1cl hope to SE!E! more mord .E!S fo1n rlE!l.AJ h o lJ s i n g f o r· n a l~ .. i 'J n p f~ o pl.

E! s i n 1:: hE! area, be~ause there is a great t'l(:HH~ 1.1p · l:hot"<~ for· ne1~J ho11sinq. While we welcome the monies f or :impr·oveHtenh ; , uJ:'! t~Jould Hl~>o l. "i. f<o to see new housing units builL. T h n r· 0. 1. !; a v <-:! r· y c r· -i. t oi. c n 1 s h o r· t <:'1 CJ e up in that area of Labr·aclor. In ~; p 0. d k i. n g i: o rn y r: o 11. tH'l g 1.1 e f o r Naskaup:i (Mt". Kelland), hE! tE!l.1s fnl':' i:here i !) a vot"Y gn~at. nOE!d for• housing in the Me1ville ar·~~a, IJ.J h or· e l: h or· e i . s an ·i. n c Y' ~=! <.·\ s :i. n g n ~=! E~ cl and a cr".isis :is st.ar·ttng to occur·.

So I IAJOt.ll.d hope,~ that !Ale can see similar agr'E!E!ITIE!nts signed by Lh(:! hon. rnJn :istE!r 1 s dl':~partrnc'>nt and ·the NetAJfoundJ.and and Labrador Hous i ng Corporat.:lon to take care of that need. 11 not her· rna t. U! r· , M r . S p <-:!a k c,, r· , 1".: hat we would hopE! to SE!E! in thE! l1E!X1: J. t t 1: 1. e tAJ hi l e j_ s i.: he 1 n i n :l s t. E! r 1 s department looking at the allocation of moni.cs for senior citizens' housing. ThE!re is a g r· e i"' t no E'! d :i. n 1.: h -i. ~' Pro lJ i. n c E'! for housing for senior citizens who IAJOtJl.d 1. -i. ke 1-.o sl'.ay .i.n ~' hornn thai:.

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does not require a large mortgage. There is a problem there, in that many senior citizens are very afraid of rnortgag(!S at the age of seiH:HJty, or· o 1 d e r . We wo u 1 d hope t hat thE! min'i.ster 1 S OfficialS IAJi.l.l. b~~ r:~bl.e to d e a 1 with that s i t u at i o n o v e r the next few months as they undertake to spread around thE! benefits to all people in the Province. Ml". Spt:~aker, IA.IE:1 IAJelcomE! the <:HJnounce~mon 1: l:odr.·\Y, btl 1·. ~~J8 <H'P. hop:ing to set:1 much, much mor·e in 1·. h e F 1.1 1-. 1.1 r· e . T h d n k y o 1 J IJ P. r· y m 11 c h . MR.

SPEAKEr? : Th~~ hon. th~~ rnmnb~~r for Menihek . MR. FFNWICI<: M r· . S p e a k (:1 r· , t~u~ .~., r· e q u i. t e pl. P. a s e d to see this ird t:i.ative. Thi:' RAPP prograrnrne Ls jusl.: on(~ of our· hou~Jng programmes, and I think t h e fa c t t h r:~ 1: L h e To r n g <:lt: H o 1 J s i. n 9 Co-op is now delivering it to thl':~'i.r an~a should be the fi.rst of a number of housing programmes del ivc;!red bo Lh by l:he Torngat Housing Co-op and also by the people in Sheshatshi.t, the Band Council there and other groups l.:ike that.

Just as a contribut. ion to +:he:! gem'ral discussion of it, Mr. s p 1':1 a k CO! r• I t h (! n r:•\ ·t-. "i.

l) e p E:~ 0 pl. ~~ i, 1'1 Conne River, the~ Band down thE!re, has for a number of years been de J i v <:~ 1~ in g t h !':~ h o us :in g pro g r· a mrn e s l:o t:i·Hdr Cli~Jn Hl"(~<'l and h<:~vo donn an oxtl'·ernely !;ucces:.ful job w:ith tL, i . n l·. hi.·\ 1: l : hoy h r·\lJ c :; 0. t HH~ sh:Htdar·d!; fo1" :it., they have dcci .ded on l:he k i.nd!; of hotiSO!; thoy want to bujld, and so on.

T 1: h "i. n k by do in 9 1: h a 1: , b 1J r~ IJ o l v i. n q a Jot of this authod.ty dOIAJn to the l.ot).J(!S{: ln1Jel. t hr:\1: -.i.-1': can bo ex e I" cJ s E:H~ cl t, IAJE:1 a v o:i.d the EH'ro r thRt has been rnade in other native L1447 May 3, 1988 Vo1 XL pr·ograrmne:~s wher·c:!by the"~ design of the houses has been unsuited to the part."icul.ar corrununity and the lifestyle of the Native people l: h t:Hn s e J. v e:1 s . A s a r· e s u 1 t , t: h e communities often haVE! rejE!Ct.ed t.h~~ housing by j11st. not cont.irurinq on with in the future. So I commend the rnin:i.stE!r on 1:. h i. ~; .

I l C:! l. 1. h :i. m t. h "' t: c:\ n y o L h e:~ r initiatives in this direction will b r"~ . l) (;!I" y 1111.1 C h s 1.1 p p 0 r· l'.C:! d by 0 U I" sidl':~. WE:1 think that that is IA.Ihal. I!H~ rrtrFI n by <:·\ b or· J g '.'i. n a J. self-government. That is one a!;pnct-. ol· ·t.i:., thr.d : ti'JC!IJ shot.ll.d bH able to dE:~cidE! t.hE!fnsco!1V~~s the Pl"i.Ol"i.l :y ·in hotrs·i.ng C:·\nd be i•tbJ.r:! t:.o design and d~;:~lJvE.H' thE! pr·ogr·arnrnes !) o i: h e y m (.~ t~ i·: ·1·. h (~ J r n <:! c;! d ~;i J" r.l 1:: h {~! r~ than our· pE:1rceptions of IAJhai:. IAJE:• t lri. n k I: hey tAJi'trl '1: .

T h <:·\ n k y o u v ~ : ! r· y much, Mr. Speaker. MR. R. AYLWARD : Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: The han. thE! Minister of ForE! St. Resourc~~s. MR. R. AYLWARD: Mr. Speaker, I am VE!ry pJ.E!clSE!d to i n F o r· m h o n . m C:1 m bE! r· s t: h a t. t.: hE! lA IE! ~:! k of May 1, 1988 has bE!E!n officiaJ.ly proclaimed National Forest Week. 11c:t1. VJ.i:r. r~!; helve bef'!l'l plannt:1d across the Pr·ovinCE! to pr·omot:.e ou1" F o r· (:~ !; 1·. 'i. n d 11 ;, 1: r y ;:~ n d f:nfl p J·w s ·i. z E:' t: h j, s year·'s l:hr:Hm~ IAJhich i!;, ''A For'E!S'l.: a :;h;:~r·~~d l~e:;ot . ll"CO 11 Nr.:~1 · i onal.

For'C:!!; 'I: lllieok coincides with the second fOl"f;!!; 1: 1"8SOUY' C:8 r~xh·i.i:J"i.ti.on place at thE:~ 19H8 for'E!Str·y o F C i:HH\ d i:l · G r· a n d F a l. l. :; . l98H annual l.ak.i.ng capital 1:1: g "i, I) 0 !) you, Mr·. wr-~ pl.(~i'ISt.lre to ·:i.nfor·m Speaker, that: tht:1 hon. G<~r'ald S. Marrithew, Minister of No. 28 R14-4-7

State for Forestry, will partake in th~ officJal opening of the F o r o s l~ R c;! s o IH' c e I~ X h 1. b i. L i. o n •:Hl d NCI.t ionaJ rarest Wet~ I< 1988 on thE! O'Jerdng of Thllt'sdr.~y, May 5, 19138 . Mt'. ~:)peal<er·, T ~~JOIIl.d 1.-il<c! Lo L.:-11<0. thJr. oppor·t.unity to invite all member'!; of i'.ho Ho11sr~ and all.

IIIE:~rnber·:. of the pubJJ.c to vJsit. c; r· i''ltl d Fa l. l. ~; , p iH' i: "i. c 111. a I'' l y d 11 r 'i. ng the Forestry Exhibition, but ·~·lnyt-i.me l:hr•o119hout th-i .s Surnmor· when celebrations will be going ahedd, from t."i.mo to t:i.mn, to promote the National Forestry Capital of Canada. Wi. t h your p e rm-i. s s -Lon, Mr . S p (,~ r.1 k E! r , I wouJ.d like to distributE! to all my colleagues a National Forest Week button which I ask them to IAJear ·For the d1~rRti.on of HIE! IAH,~ek to assist in promoting National Forest W~~E!k i.n Cr.\l'li':H~i"'. Thr.~nl< you, Sir. SOMf HON.

MEMBERS: 11 o i'l r , h r~ i'l t' ! MR . 3PErlKF::R: The hon. tht~ ruernbtH' for· Fogo . MR. TLILK: M t' . S p e r.1lun· , i. n U1 8 1 1 n i'W o i. d a b 1. e ctlnence of rny friend fr·orn For·t.une He J"m-i. 1'..~1 g e ( Mr· . S i.wrno n

s) IAJh o 1. s our spokesman on fore:~stry, T wc1.nt I: o s <.~ y , o n b o hal. f of I: h i. s !d de , thclt we IAJelcome the announc(-?.lTH:~nt of Nat'i.onal. For·esl: Week, begi .nrl'i.ng May 11 1988. It just goes to show, Mr. Speaker we hclve had four Ministerial Statements which have this b~H:Hl side you hr:we go v e rniTIE! n t IAit~l.come announcerne:~nt.s to - IJJhat can happen v.JhE!n co-operation and the doing the right thing. Mr. Spei:lker·, pr·ornot.ion of our forest industry, as the minister says, .i.s aliAJays J.mport.ant, V(,~I"Y important.

We are also pleased, I. l,l.~lj.[l Mt.·liJ 3, l91lll Uol XI.. o n Hd s s i. d C:! , o F c o ' 1 r s C:! , t. o s e E! Grand Falls declared forestry c: .:~ p i. 1'. a l. o F c a n a c:l r.1 f o r· 1. 9 n o . A s everybody knows in this l..8g :i.s1<:1i:l.lln0, Ct'i :lnd Fr:ll.l!; has a long and unique history in the for· e ~; '1: -i. n d 11 s tr·y i. n 1'. h ]. s P r· o v -L n c ~;! and I indeed, in this countr•y, and i. ·l·: ·i.s only f:i.i:t:·i.n':] PRF.MT.F.R PECKFORD : And a great member . MR. TULK: Well, no1JJ, do not <.·1sk around the center of l·w r (:~ .

I ct.-111 n o t g o Grand Falls has a honourable history in industry. tnO 1:.0 IAJaJ. tL the ajsJ.es l:: I'H'.I t. f c:~ r . uniqUE! cHid our fol"~; !st Mr·. Speaker, I think Lilt' would bE! r·em'i.ss ].fT. cJ.os~~d without saying that the forest industry in th:is ProvJ.ncr~ pr:H'I'l<'lflS dc,~s~H · ves i'l gr·~;!at deal more attention than it s ornc:d : :uno!; g e i ~ !; . R c~ c au s r;! l:. hE! r· o -L s a feeli.ng among many 'of our· pE!op1e thC~t: 1:h(~ nurnbc~r· of t:r·(,~ns that dr·r:~ being ]eft for our uso is vastly doc l. i. n 'i. n g , q 1.1 L c !< l. y do c l.

"i. n·i. n g , <.·l n d , perhaps, in years to corn(,1, young poopl.o ".!JI"OLlri.ng up i.n Uri. !; Pr·ov -L nCE! may not be abJ r:~ to enjoy the Forosts as wn haun. 0 l'l i: h ~~ I~J h 0 l. ('! , J S i''l y +:. 0 1: h E! minister, we welcome the ~; · l:r.1t:ornon1·., IAJO IAJel.co1ne l::hE! promotion of Grand Falls as the f o r 0 s t r· y cap i. i.: F.l J. of C t.Hl c.H:I a , t t J s good to see thE! rninister·s making lhn r·Jghl: k-inds of st.H1:E!Irl(,~nl'.s 1 i'lnd I will wear the badge. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hl':'!ar I h(,~ar! MR. SPEAKER : The han. Uw rntHnbc'!r for· St. John 1 s East. MR.

LONG: No. ?.ll R l.l~4B .

M r . S pea k e r , 1.1.1 he n m o s t people l o o k ~t forests, they see trees. Readj ng the J'lE~IJ.Jspapers and SE!eing the:1 advance publ. i.ci.ty fr·om for'E!S L companies, from the industry promoting the national. week, you would swear that all the companies see is dollar bills.

And I do not think there advertising campaign is necessarily in the spirit of heJ p~i ng our people appr·eciah! the natural. r·esourr:e i"h<'1t Lhc:! for·(~S ~: r·epr·esl':~n'l:s, so I would caution the mi.n i.s 1-.er· l'.o no t <:~l.l~k1y ~ ; be pr·orno ting the agenda of the forest c o1np <Hd e s as m"i.wi s 'l:rn· r· e :; po n ~; i. b l. n for our very valuable resource. r :inal.Jy, Mr·.

Speaker·, :it was a t.Jer·y shot •!: sl:al:l~lllr-)n · J: and J: 1.1.Ji. ll. 111a k e a v ~H'Y bl"ief r·c->.s pons e, :i.n 1: h.~·11: I IAJoul.c:J sNy 'l:o l:hn rn:i.ni.~;1:er· that J IAIOU]d bE:1 glcH~ to takCo! h:i.s b 1.1 t 1·. o n , H n d i. n I: h f:! s p ·i. I" -L i: o f congr·atulating Gram! Falls in bl ~i ng na1nc;!d Uw nRI: Joni'J.l !:OIAII1 t·.lri.~ ; year·, I IJ.J:i.ll wear the button during tho I~.J(H,1k i.f l:hn mj.rd.stE!r 1.1.1j ll promisE:~ to stop spr·aying fen'i.tr·othi .on, Jn l.J.ght of the:~ re:1port released by his department yester·day. Oral Questions MR. K. AYI.WAIW : Mr. SpeakE!r . MR.

SPEAI<fR: Tho hon . t. h(~ for· Shq:>I'I(HIV:i.]] ~~' Mr~. 1<. AYLWARD: T h iHl k y o 1 J , M r· . S p n N !< n r· . [ IAIOIIl.d to the p (~ ,,, c h ) ,. t-. hat I l. "i k n t: o d 'i. r· r~ c i: HI y q u n !; l: ·i o n Mjrdstc,11" of Hous:ing (MI". 1~1i.l:h r·n ·F'r:!I"C:!nco l:o a · lllr:~i· :l:nr brought to his attention l.ll~49 Mr.1y 3, 1.9BH lJ o l. X I. alrE:~ady. I would like,~ for him to tr,1 l. ]_ I 1 S 1.~1 h r.d.: t: h (~ p 0 J. j_ C y -1. S 0 f Newfoundland and Labrador Housing as t-.o t·:ho E!Vict :. i.on of tenants IAJho are in social housing units.

Does the Corporati.on attempt to evict tenants even though their rent has b r:1 E! 1'1 p a i. d ~.m t t: h r:1 y h a v E! n o t p a i d legal feE!S that were incurrE!d in trying t:o evict them? MR. SPEAKER: The }i()il~-the MinistE!r of Hous:ing . MR. PEACH: Mr· . Spn<:~kC'!r', f:i.rst: of i.'tl.l. T tAJant: to clarify something, because I l: h i. n k Uw rn om b or· t !; s o rn c,~ 1.~1 h a t: confused with regard to ev·i . cl·.·ion!;. Nc~IAJfoundlc'tnd and L.ab1nado1n Housing, Ml". SpNlkE!r', do1 ~ !; nol : OtJ i.e I·.

We g i ve notJco Lo s o Ill E:1 of o u r· r r:1 s :i d C:Hl t s F o r· v a r· i o u s l"oason~; l:o tJacai·.r., bt.ll': i.l:·. i.s thr·ough thE• legal and thE~ ju~;U.u:! s y s I·· r~ 1 n t h .~·\ t a n r~ tJ · i c i' i o n n o t: .i c n L s issued. I am familiar, Mr . S p n <:·1 k 0. r· , lAd ·1: h 1: h o p c:-~ r 1.: i c 11l. a r· c r.'t s E! that the han. gentleman is rr:1fe:~rr·"i.ng t.o, and rnysolf and our· officials have been dealing with t h <:~ t. rna U: e r· f o r· t h e p a s t s C.;! v ~H' a l weeks .

I can assure the member that T would not want to get involved in naming thE! pE!Op1E! involved, and I appreciale the fact that hE! has not done so, but t h .i. s p r.u· U . c u l. iH' c 1 J f:1 n t , I g IH:1 s s , of N~~1.1.1foundJ.and and Labrador Housi.ng, Mr. Spe;:~kc,1r, had had ~;omr:' arrears accumulate, has been ass·isl· .n d by Lhn good off·i.cc:!r·~; of· my col:l.E!agUE!, the Min:ister of Soc i.i:1l Sor·wi.cn~; (Mt". Tol:d .n), i. n seeing that the arrears mattor was I" f:! sol. v o d , b lj 1·: ·J·. hot' r~ ~ j . s s 1··. "i. l. 1 a quite substantia] fee as it r· n 1. <:\ L e :; 1: o l. o gal rna i·.

I: o I""' . That matte1n IAJas wor·ked on cH1d, as Cl. Hlt:ll.i:nt' or facl:, Ml". Spn,:tkCH', on F·d. day pas t I s p o k E:1 tAri. t: h !: h r::! rnotnbor· for· S!·:ophnnv'.i.ll.o r:·1nd r.·1Sk(~d him to foJ.Jow up on it on the No . 213 r~ 11.~49 ,.

weekend and report back to me today. And to dc1te, 11nU.l T. hE!F.tr•d h:irn speak now in th~~ House, I had not hoard back from him. MR. K. AYl.W()RD : A S uppl E!lnE:~ nt.iH'Y . MR. ~3PFAKFR: A !:uppJ E'mt~ntar·y, th~~ hon. the rnowbrn' for· ~1tepherliJ i."l. l.o . MR. K. AYI .. IfiJt'HW : Mr. Spnakor, thj s involves about ni.ne dRy!; ;::~nd r.~boiJI· : fi.tJe rnC:!Ai::ings and t:elephom~ calls . I am stilJ. negot.J.a+:"i.ng I~Ji.l:h t-.he Dopart.rnent of Social Services to see if they 1Ari.1.1 help pc:~y t.he only t.h-i.ng thr:~t is outstand'.ing, the legal feE!S, by thi.s I~Jornan, IMho has four kJds.

Her rent. is fully paid up. A11 I am a s k i. n g i s : I s t. h i. s 1: h o p o l i. c y of thE! Dt::~pa_rtment? I say to the Mi. n-i. s b~ r of H o us i. n g , i. s it. thE! pol.icy of this goVE!rnrnent to seek legal. fees fr·o1n people IAiho ;u·t::~ living in sociaJ. housing? That is my q u o s t. i. o n t. o y o u , M r . S fH~ a k 1':~ r . MR. SPEAI<FR : The hon. the Minister of Housing. MR . PFACII : Mr·. Spl':~akt:H', any fe<~s, ~uch as 1. C:! r:3 r'\ J. Fees o r• o i'. her· s ·i. n c 11 r· r· r~ d by rh(->. cJ-.i~~ nt-., ar·e no-t th'~ r·cspons i.b i.1 i. l:y of Noi~Jfolmdldnd r.1nd l.r.lbnH~or· Housing.

The Corpor·ation "i S 1'1 0 t Y' n S p 0 w; .. j b 1 A f 0 r• fl r:l y ·i. rl 9 those fE!E:'S. Jt is tht::~ responsibility of the cl. i. en t ~o pay to N~~wfoundJ and and L.abr·ador· Housi . ng I~Jhr.d:rwer· rnon i. ~!S ;:u·c~ 01~1 · i . ng to th<~ Col"por·at'ion. In that rr:!gard, Mr . Sp<~akr:!r, IAJO htWO bot::Hl ver·y l~Hr.it::Hlt. This has not gonE:1 on, for the past three months, liJi t h a reg u 1 a r· 11 i n e t y day no U. c e g o :i n g o u t , b u t i. t h a s 9 o n E! o n f o r· quitE:~ a longer period of t.irne than · t .h a t. .

T h E! r E:~ h a s b e <->. n q 1.1"i. t. e a l. o 1:: of d:ifficulty, i.n this par·ti.cuJ.ar L lt.p;o Mr.·l y 3 I 1 9 B 8 Uo1 X 1.. case, in getting the arrears paid . A n d i. t ~~Ja s on l. y t l·n· o 1.1 g h t he good gr·aces, I guess, of th~:! D ~~ p f.~ r t me n ·I·. of So c: i. r.' 1 So r tJ i c e s ., .. h c:l t that matter was resolved. MR. TOBIN: W:i.th no effor·t. on h'.i.s part, E:~ithE!I". MR. PEACH: ~\lhal: i. s ·j, l'l U () l. I) 0 rJ l'l ()lA] number of hundreds is of qu.J.t< ;! C:'~ do] lar·s, Mr· . . S p o r.1 k o I" , ;:·1 n d t h '" +: i. s rno n e y that is ow:lng to the Cor·pol"i-lt.:'i on.

We hr:,lt)C:! hRd quito n J.ot of problems with this particul.ar c d s e , r.t n d a n o t "i. c e t-. o v a c a 1: <,~ h ad been issued, and, Mr·. SpE!akE!r', I gu<~SS r··i.ght1 . y SO b~~CaiiS('! of mOI'l"i.(~S owi.ng. I understand as WE!ll fr·om what t. hr:~ rnt::HIIb(:H' sr.li.d, thc.~t he has bee n i n con t a c t with t hE! r E! g i on a 1 off.ice "i.n Stephenville .

I and our officials on Friday past foJ.JolAlE!d up IAJ:i.th t:hom i:Hld r:-1s ked t.hem l:.o ensur·e that thE! family lAJas c<:HISE!d no great inconvenience ouor the past weekend, and that hopeful.ly -:i.n a fe1~1 dr.~ys Uw rn;::~t+·.er solrH :!how would be resolved. Mf~. K . AYLWARD: A Sltppl.r~mc,-r-lhH'Y, Mr·. Sp<~i:~k(: !r . MR. SPEAKER: n fi.no"'l. Sllppl.ernenl'.iH'Y . MR. K.

AYLWARD : I have her(,~ a copy of i-lrl :invo.i.c"! fJ"orn Nr.)I~JfOLindl i'1nd ''1nd l...abr·ado1M Housing: 1 Reimbursement of l..c:~t.•Jyer·!; Fo0. r~r.: Fv"i.c t. ion, $597.50 . 1 This wc>.s SE!rd: Apr·Jl lB t.o tho tAJOflli.Hl who hcMi r'llr·( :!i:·u:ly pa i d u p h E! r r e n t: . T h e n a c o u r· t o r d E! r· 1Alr:1 S ·i. S S L1 0 d t 0 1·.: r· y t. 0 g (,~ +: I" ·j_ d 0 f hE!r. Is this thE! poLicy of NE!Wfoundlr.lnd and l..ctbrador Housing for people who arE! living tn soc-Lr.ll. hous ·i. ng, p<->.opl.t::~ IAJho c c1n hardly afford to live anywhere? Th'i.s is LAJht::~r-~:! t:h,,~y h<:~v~: ! to liv<,~.

Is it t:hE! governrn~::mt. 1 s pol:i . cy to No . 213 R 1 4~)0

coJJect ]ega] fees and to r:11ri. c 1.: people i. f I: hey c: c:w not'. t.o Jjve the1"e? MR. PEACH : Mr. Speaker·. MR. SPEAKER: ti"Y to r:~ffor·d The hon. ·t.he M-i.ni.stE!r of Hous"i.ng. MR. PEACH: Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corpor·at-Lon has b~~en v~:!ry lc;!ni~~nt and we have gone beyond what is r e q 1.1 t r· E! d tHl d t;! r T he I. and l or· d Tenancy Act to our pe!oplE!.

As a mai::hH' of fact, people t~Jho l.·i,,Je i.n Newfoundland and Labrador Housing u n 'i. t: s , L he soc .i. a l. h o us J n g 1~ n i. i:. s in the Provtnce, ar·c~ not under The Land l or d Ton r:~ n c: y (.) c: I: b o c: a 1.1 !; 0. of t. he fact t h r.l t that l.UO u J d set the r·a l:os, find t~Jf:! f0~ol. l:h.;d: !iOtnr~ 1: i.HIC!S tho:.E~ t·f.lh~s 1.uou]d be~ pi"ObabJy nt<H'e;! l:h;:·ln cl i.C!I'li:!; IJJOtlld bo r:1b-l f! l:o affor·d. ~)o lAte IAtctnt to E!rlSlH'e"! that. l~ hoso pt:!Oplr~ in gr·r:~·'li:ost nr:~r~d dt'f~ g:i v0.n every bE~rt<-"fi. · t. Tf the member for Stephenville, Mr·.

Spe.'ll<or, IAJi::tnt.s sOIIIf~ r:~d'J i . e~~ on what the courts and on what the 1ega1i.ti.~~s <H'C:~ of e1Ji.cttons, T dtn :.ure he could find a fE:1W minutes to spc:1al< to the u~adc;!r of l:hc:~ Opposition (Mr. Wells), 1.uho would b~ very familiar wi.th that. MR. KELLANIJ : Mr . Speaker· . MR . SPfAKF.R : ThE:~ hon. tl'w tiiE:Hnbr:!r For· Nas k<:lup·i . MR. KELLAND: Thr.lnk you, Mr. SpE!aker· . I i. n i·: C! n d n d i: 0 d i. r C'! c 1··. r·\ q 1.1 8 ') 1: t 0 n ·

h) HH! M:i.n:ist ·E!Y' of RAND (MI" . Power), o r· s C:! c o n d c:H' i. l. y , I •::JI 1 o !; !; , t h n M:i 1'1 :i ~; t. N' of Tnt c:H' go v l':H' riiTIE:Hlt:. a J rtffr.1 i I"!; (Mr·. Di'll~lf~), I:)IJ t·. prH'hi:·lp!·; th~~ Pr·cru:i I::H' lAJouJ.d tal<e thE! May 3, 1.913!3 Vol. XI. question. It deals l.IJi th rural d 0. 'J b l. o p HH:1 n t !; 1 J b s t d ;:1 r· y d g r '~ e;! rrH~ n t s . My understanding now ts that tl'w R IJ S (.) 1\J o . 3 1. s a b o 1 1 t t: o b e negotiated, or negotiations s t.r:-~rt. And l wonder· COIJ ld thE!

Premier tell us what the major holdup has b~~~::1n J.n thi::tt, and IAJhr.lt. ACOA 1 s role t.~li1l bE! in the futurE! of RDrts i.n the Province? MR .. SPEAKER: ~he hon. the Premier. PREMIER PECKFORD: We arn no1~1 tni·.o discussJons 1.1ri.th the federal government for a long ·h~l"m r·ur'i'll dovol.opment: agr·eement. W~1 st:art:r:!d thi:lt a r: ()I~ pl. f:! 0 f 1110 n 1". h!) ,, 9 0 . R 1:! c i.·\ 1.1 s (! I)JE! were not able to do all of tho cornponenl:s of ·i.·l: hti.Udn l.:hn +:irnc:! frame:~ t•.H~ had to wor·k lArith b~~cause HH'! n l d o rw l•tC.·I !) ox p 'i.l" :L n g , L•HC.!

E~xlend~~d the;! old or1E:~ fo1" artoLhel" ynar · l:o ~:ri.LH'! It!> lfiOI"t:! t: ::i.1nr:! l:.o LJ"Y to bui1d in just wher·c,~ ACOA l.IJou1d f ·i,j-· i. l'l i:l n rJ I~J h CH' C! :it: IAJ() I I J. d l'l 0 t f ·i. 1:: tn. We ar~1 still l.U<H'Idn~~ tl'li"Ough t:hclt nOIAJ. Wr·:! <H'P. go·i.ng +:o n~:!~~cl some assurances from the federal gounrhmont +:hat tn si.gnLng a longer term rural development agr'E:~ement. t.hr:H'l':1 ar·e ct~rtain compone!nts that sti11 rnust: bE! :in lt, IAJi. l:h or ,,.Ji.i:.hout ACOA, that:. ;:u·e very crucial for the rural devol o prn~Hl t: rno v e,~mE:111 t .

B ~~ 1:: IJ..JE! do not want to look a gift horsE~ in the rno 1.1 t h , i. f -L n f c\ ct. IJ..JC;! can J)Jo r· k some deal out with the federal go'J o rnrno ni: :i. n 1 'i. l'lf~ IAJ"L t. h ACOA For· thE:1re to b~~ · also somE! adcl:itioncll f11nd!; i::ttJai.l;:lbl.r:! t:o r·ur·ctl. dE=weloprnE:!nt assod.at.ions t·.hr·ough i:hai: f11nd. So 1s.w a r·e t' r~ l. o7\ 1: 0 !) '1: 0 components do\)~~ l. o p111r:! n 1·: WEH'B thE! No. ?.13 negotiating now :it. !:hat 1::-oln · t ·. hr~ Vdr· ·i.oiJS oF the rural i'\9 I" I:! fi!TIIO 1'1 i:, !; Olfl(:! '1-.·. hi:'li: same as Jn thE! old I~ 14 1i 1.

agreement, d i. f f E:1 r c-?. n t . . I cannot some that might be A t t h i. s p o ·i. n t ··i. n +:-i. rn c-?. indicate to the hon. rn~::1mbc,1r IAJh~t cornponont.s 1~ri.ll. be~ i.n and what components wilJ be out becr.\use IAH:1 r.'lro sl·.i.l.l. negotir.d:i .ng, IA.Ie ar·e stiJ J try:i.ng to gE:1t. a hi'll'ldl.c~ on <"'ny F11nds l·:hai : 1nay be avail abJ E:1 fr·om ACOA to the r·ura1 clc~ lJ 0.l. o p1n0. n 1: A!; so ci. .:1 i'. i. on!; . ~') o Um1: ·.i.s l41her·c,, IA.Ie ar·e. That is pa.r·t of Hw nogo'l:i .i:tl'i.ng f>i"OC:0.S!; no1~1 for· d long .. t:ei"TTI l"UI"a] de~J<->.1 opment i:lgr•er~lnenl·..

We~ <:·li''P. :i.n!; i.s·l·. i.ng i:h.:1·1· thEH'l"! hd.s ·to be, obviously, 1Hl o I h o r· r· 11 r· r.~l. d ~~ lJ e 1. o p 1r1 e~ n I: ag1"ec,1ment, R[)A agJ"C->.e->.rnent. It j s absolutely uital. and necessary. Tt is just a question of working ol.l'l'. <Hld nogoti.aL·lng what components wilJ be a part of it and whc:~t. r·o1(:1, if any, Aeon cr.m play in it. That is where the nc,1goti.at.:i.ons are. W(:1 hi:IVE~ not: worked that out yet. The hon. the Minister of Intergovernmental Affr.~irs wi.ll bo negotiating that out IAii th Senator Murr·ay ctnd hi.s f'H10pl.e.

Back -i.n early Mar·ch, I think, tAJas the rn e (:1 t. "i. n g IAI oi. l: h Sf'! nat. o r M u r· r· <~ y 1.1.1 hi. c h T attended, as well as the Mi.ni.s 1-er of 1ntF.!rgOlJc~rnrrH:Hltr.ll. Affa:i r:,, thH Minister of Rural, A g r· i. c u l i· u r· a l. <:~ n d No r· 1 ... h c~ t' n 0Hvc,1] opn1~>.nt (Ml". POIAIBr) and o t h c~ r· s . ~'II c,1 c o 1 1l d h rllJ o _ !d g n c.~ d , p~~l"hc!!ps, rl'l. that point. 'in t:.:imc-?. a longer· tpr•rn t'llt'al. d:~lJ8loprnnn1· agr·c-1E~ment, but IAJC,1 IAJE>.r·e not IAJiJJ :ing l:o do i.t bec<~I .

Jsc~ 1~10 ~;r~n~;od Hi: i'he t·.~i 1110 thiit . '.'i.n Oi"d~H' to get the kind 0 !- a 9 Y' CH~lfiO 1'1 t·. IAJf:! I~Ja n t I~Jf~ lll''i. 9 h l". h ;:~ l)f! to take-?. chdnces on ACOA, f.lnd IAH>. d"i.d no l". l>~lt:~n t to 1.:<·1 k n c hHn cos on wha-t t~w fc-:!dc,1ral goVE!rniTI(Hlt was St'lying would actrH·Illy occ1.1r.

So IAJe IAIOIJld rather extend the E!X.i.s t.'i.ng onc,1 and IV1U<'! a gr·c,1i'l h;!r amount of time to nail down any i.nvo1vernont of ACOA funds "i.nt.:o the rur·al devE:1lopment: movement, and May 3, 19 B 8 Vol XI not have those funds, then, sacrifi.cing other ones that we still need in thE! cr·afts ar·ea, or Jn ol':hl':1r lor.~n pr·ogr'aHHrJE!S l:hat: ar'E! still important . It is an nogot:i.ai'.i.ng procos~; th;:·lt.

IAIE! cH'e :into now to seE:1 whE:!ther· :i.n fact. i". h f:! r· f.! i. s a n y t' o l c~ A C 0 A c d n p 1. a y and what otl1er· components must: l'H':! c:·l f>i:ll"i: of an on•]O'i .ng i:·19Y'POrJHHll:. r~l~. I<EI..I..ANO: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPFAI<E'R: n !) 11 p pl. o m0. n tar· y , ~ ~ he hon. member for Naskaupi. MR.

KELLAND : SoJnei:.i.rnn:; t·: hc:! quest:"i.on ;.~r·"i.sos, of cour·se, why it took so long to do l:.he:1se l·:hi .ngs, dnd fr·orn t.he:1 po·i.nt of view of an extension to the ROSA ~Jo. 2 it. ts sort. of dl1 eleventh hour decision, a last mtnr1t .e dC'!CJsi .on, l:. o grant an extension or arl"cli19E! an extonsion. They are presently being funded by the ext.E!ns:ion to RDSA 2, i'll'ld I i.ll'ld E! rSI:t:~nd t:hr.lt: OI'IC'! of the! benefits was thE! fact that adm:i.ni.si'·.r·al:: ·i.IJC Fund:i.ng For associations has gone from I think $.?.6,500 l:o $30,000 por 1.11Ti.t.

PREMIER PECKFORD: ThE:~rc-?. had to b~~ an ::incr·E~cU>E! 111r i.t+:en ·i.n'l: o i:hn (c1Xi":C:!n!; ·i on . MR. KEI..L.AND; Yes . I am wonder :ing :if lh<'! ainr of 1: h o R D n s 1 ~' t o '" e <:H: h s e 1 f ··· s u f f j d. E:' n c y . I t h ·i n k !; o rrH'! o F l: h o 1n lfli:~ y b n n 'J <~ n d c: t u c:·1l. l. y approaching that, rnay have a p p r· o r.1 c h c.~ d ·i t. , <:-1 n d o I· h c.:! r' s 1:1 r' c;! no l:: :in t:hat kind of a position. What. j, s go tJ c~ r· nwe n t 1 s J n t:"' n '1:. IAI i. l:: h respect to that?

I beJ.je•VE! tl·wy ctre looking for something l "i. ke $40,000 per RDA, but are there other initiat i ves that Lhe provincial government intends to No. .?.13

rucJ. k e s u r e j r. 1 o c k e d i n for t he benef"i.l: of i:he t'ta·;~l. dr:nJ0loprnenl: ruouernE~nt. j n t.l'w Pr·ou:i nee? MR. SPF.AI<FR: T h G h on . Uw P t' c,~ 1n i. CH' . PREMIER PECKFORD: We still see an ongoing role. The tJiE:~tJJ Lhc'\1: tAH:~ hold for Lho rtH'i'l1 deue]oprnent movement is to, on thE! one hand, encourage and develop leadership and business in rural N E!IJJf o u n d l i'Hl d , i'\ n d to a l. so hE:~ 1. p kick-start some various deve1oprnc,~nt opportun-Lt i.

C:~s :i. n rur·i'll Newfoundland that then can later go tnto the private sector, and thc,w they can go on and get onto r."'no'i:I·H:~r oppor ~·.tmi t-.y that might bo there:~.

That is the kind of ongcl"i ng procoss Uu:~t tMO t•Jot.IJ.d 1.-i.l<e to sef:~, etnd IJJe tlrink thc~re must. c o n 1: "i. n" r~ 1'. o b n d f -i r· 'n co mrrr i.'t-: HI<~ n t: for· tl·woi r· admin:i str·at:i.uc~ funds fr·om ·1". h 0 g 0 lJ IH' l'llf)(~ 1'1 i ~ !; . r:· 0 t' e x 1:1 r11 p J e:~ , 141 e :. h o u l d n EW E-H' t a k e a cht.-lnce Uli:\1: ACO(l 1n i.gh'i: or· 111 i.ghi: not approaue administrative funds f o t' i'.lri . !; or· l: h d t·: d c,~ tJ r~ l. o pnw n i : a:.!~odatoion. That should bE:1 i"'tl i~ OHii~ 1: "i. c , !; h o 111. d b n a c OHifHHW rJi·. of the agr(:1eruent regar·dless.

But l: he ouC:~r·al.J. phi.l.osophy i s i·:o develop le~dership in business opportun i.-t. i es, for· ·i.ndiu"i.dtH'Il.s "i.n rural Newfoundland to kick-start, for· l.~oJani: of a bei'.: h'!r phr·asE:~, various opportunities that are t. her· e , 1". o at t r' act s rni:l l.l. bus ·i. n ~~ s s to come in and with some assistance,~, IAJh .i. ch t:he r'tH'i.'ll development associations got from us and the f~H:IC-:H'rll. goUE!Y'nrnc,~nt, to get those industries going, 1.~o1h c:! thE! r .. i. t bE! a s rrti'l l.l f i. :; h pl.<.~ n t , ~~ scu.~omd1J, or some kind of a rnor·e soph'i.sb. c<.'li~ E!d wood Hli'll'ltJfr:~c:ttlr · i . ng o p <~ r· ~l t:i o n , t o u r :i. s rn , a g r i c u 1 t u r c,~ , Hnd , so on; UHHl gr•;:~d11ally gc=d·. l·:h~·\'1: r.1t a stage whE!l"(~by sorn<C! j nd :i.v:idual 0 r· J. n d i.

IJ"i. d 1.1 r:\ l :; I i:\ !; lfl i'll 1 c: 0 HIp iHl y ' c Cl n t. a k C'! :l t o v c,~ r' and r· u n IJJj t h :i t . 1. 1. 11. r; 1 Vol XI . as a pdvatE:~ bus:irH:~ss, and then 1:hc-:! i(DA look i'li: !;omc"' othE!r development opportunity that is !;i: i.ll tAJi'l i.l: ·i.ng For· a Ide!< ·St.tH ' r ..

Rather than have thirty - five, for 1: y .f ·i. tJ H , or· h OIAH'!lJ c~ I" tncll'l y dc~veloprnent associations thE!rE! arc;! bC:!COHtr~ For·i:y-f'i.tJn or· fi.fty. - fj. ve businesses, development assoC'i .i"'t.i .ons shoul.d bE! e~blc; ! to crE:~ ate five or ten businesses and kemp engender"i.ng more opportunity and · kick-starting things IAJ~d.ch can then go to the private sector. MR. KELLAND : A supplementary, Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A final. suppJ.ementary . MR . KFI .. I,AND: I gath(:1r ·- that at LhE! annual g (Hl!~ r-r:·\1 l'rlt;! e 1·.-i n g of the R tH' ~~ 1.

DE:~uelopru~~nt Council th<,H'E! l.~oJdS sornE• h o p e I h r:~ i". o t.l CHl t h o 1.1 g h 1: h e I'' f:! ·i !; d tl.~oH~J ve mon ·th ext.c,~nsion on the,, I~IISA No . ?., i : hny ll'k\Y g n l: l·: he nf'!t)J agr~H,~m<~Hlt in pJacf:' bc~~for'E~ t.hP l:t)Jf:! l tJ n rno nth~; <:H' P. 11 p . 1 :; l:Jw r· e any J. ncLi. cation of I4Jh<-Hl ROSA No . 3 Hl 'i. ghi : i:\t;i'.tli:\11 y hr.'\ppr'!n? MR . SPF.(lKER : The hon. t~~ Premier. fREMIER P~CKFORD: We would like to see it by the Fa11. We think it is going to tctke Rnother couple of months. Hopefully, by September or Oci~.obE!r', IAJe Ci'\11 haul~ th61l~ in place .

WE! want to get. this Hgr·oi.ciJl.h.tt'r·\1 i'\grc,~etnent., t~J~dch ha s been outstand ·ing and IJ.Jhich :is i-Hl ernbi.'lrrHssment to the federal government. We are the only p I" o tJ J n c P t n C <:\ n r:<t d <.·\ i)J h :i c h d o E! s n o t have an agricultural agreem e nt t)J' i. 1: h i: h o F o d tH' ... , l g o tJ o I" n trH'! n t , y E:! l:: we have a s:izable agricultural ·i.nclw;i'I"Y not)J, $'P tn:i.Jl'i.on l.r·\st y E:~ a r· :i. n g r· o s s r· E:' c Ed p l: s , cHId g o J n g No. /.13 R l /.~~)3

up. One of the largest sectors of g r OIJ.J t h , per· c e n t. a g ~~ -w~i. s <:1 , in t h <:1 Newfoundland economy last year was HH~ agr·i.cul.tur·al. tndustry, i'tnd i.t must be pushed . Everybody and his dog llfl there has sr.dd, yr,1s, l;re have to sign it with the Province, so 1AIE:1 hewn to got t:hat one don(~, llle have to gr:•t a coastal Labrador <'lgrr:1ernent dono, r:Hld t:hi .s Y'llt'<'ll development agreement: has to be don~"" . Tho s f~ .~ r c,1 "i . 1nHrr~ d i.<:l 1·. o p r· ":i o r· :i t.i (~ s a n d t h e y s h o u J d b e d o n e b y I. h u F rill. . T h r:o~.

"1": i s o 1 r r· •:-1. i. m , I o g(~t" tlri s f~lH'a] 0(~1V(-:!l.opment one, r 0 t' h 0 p 1:! f II 1. 1 y f i. V 0 '!} r~ <'"1 r• ~; , d 0 n f:! b y Octoi:H:1r of Hd.s year . MR. Tlll..l<: Mr· . SpealuH · . MR . SPEAKFR: Tl·w ho n . 1-:l·w HH~ JIIbC:! r for· Fogo . MR. TULK: Mr-.-speal<r:n·, I have a question for the Minister of Transportation (Mr·. Doyle). It concerns an announcE:1ment t.hat. IAras rnad0 :i.n t.hr:1 budget this year whereby the govr:H'nlnC:111t combtnr:1d ·Uw Fogo Island Change Islands ferry.

Nor.~J, i.-l.S t:h(-~ mJn.ist.E!r knorAJS l::horr:1 has be e n a great deal of opposi .t i.on com i. ng fr·orn Fogo Isl.i'tnd and , :i n J at t E! r day s , ·from C h a n g e T s l. i'l 11 d s i'l s IAJ 0 1. l. ' T lAJonder· :is 'l:.h<:1 rntnistE:~r still pr·opos i ng Lo cornb"i.n(~ IJwse ~;y~;tow~; oin v:iew of the oppos:iL)on that. has bec~n oxpr·r.~;!;nd by i:ho~;e p1~op l r ~ , whorn, as I said, I und(·:n·stand not~.J ·i, n c lll d r;! ~; Hw p ,,~ () p 1 (! 0 f c h r:ll"l g C! I!; J r.l n d s , j n t. h <->. d :i s 1: r :i c t of I OI.AJi . spor·l ·. ,~?

I:! ; ho sL ·i.ll pr·(:!pdr·od t·o car·r·y out: l~d s cornb:i nation? MR. SPF.AI<ER: Thr:1 hon. I. hE! M:i.ni.s t·nr of Tr"r.Hlspor·tation. MR. DOYLE : L.1454 May 3 , 1 913 B Vol. XI.. Mr. Speaker, we do propoSE! to combine th(~ f e r·r· y oper·a t."i.o n of Fogo Island and Change Islands. I IAJ o 1 J 1. d l. i. I<C:! t. o p o i. n t o 1 J t. t. h a t t. h e combination of the two services wi.1J. be for a n"i.nf:1 .. -rnonth per:-i.od each year, and during the Surnmt~Jn rnonth~; C'!f.·lch of l·:hl=:! i.sl<Hlds IAJi l.l be served by separate vesseJ.s. But 1·: h 0. r d r: 1: 0 F 1". h 0 nH'I ~. t (;! r is ' M r· .

Speaker, that government is c o n i: "i. n 11 · i. n g i. n d fHH' i. o d o F rE:~stra:int and IJ.Je ha1Je to bc,1 con~;c·i . olr~; of "l:ho nr=!r:!d to con ·J·:r·oJ. E:1XPE:'nditures. I IAJOuld Jil«~1 to point out to th('! hon. gontl.~,1rrmn, t<t!; I.AJf:!l.l., Lh<:·ll.: ~~ r·ev:i r:~tll of the uti.l:i zcd:Jon s l~.:~t · i.st · i.c~; of "i:he Beaumont Hamel shotAIS that thc-:1re :is suffid.EHl t capac i. l:y on thc,1 Beaumont Hamel t: o s C'! r· IJ o Fogo 1: s l r:~ n d ;:., n d C h a n q c;! Is1ands.

As a rne:l"l:ter of fact, l ;:~ m t n ~: h f~ p r· o c (;! s s o f t> (~~ 1:·. t ""i. n g u p meetings with both transportation commit.t.eos ~o talk ouer the details of providing the two sHrv i.cE:~s, r'HH~ that. rwi.ll bE! donE! shortly. MR. TULK: A suppl.E!Ifl(:!l1ti.-H'Y, Mr. Sp~:!i:~kE!r' . MR. SPEAKER: A supplemE:~ntary, tl1e han. thE! rnornbfH' for· Fogo. MR. TULK: M r· . ~3 p ~~ r:-l.l( f~ r· , l 1~10 111 d n s k 1:: h Co! rrr:i n:J stEH': Doe:~s he r(o1alizE:~ that. l·: hn Co op on Fogo T~>-1 nnd i ~ h - i s yn.:-lr' had $]6 miJJ:ion :in fJsh sales?

I) o w; h H i" o i:l 1 i. /. n ·t ... h a 1.. 1- h e y h H d i'l payment of $6.5 million to f ·Lshr-)r·wr.n? Don!; hr~ r·eal."i.:zo l ·.:hr.1 · 1 ~ they paid out $3 rnJ.J.l.ion i":.o plant . hJor·kr,H'!;? rind dor,1s ~w not r·oal:i1.e, in spitE:~ of the statistics, and lAH:1 knoi.AJ IAJhat st·.;:-J.ti.sti . r:~; r.lr'C:!, t.hr:1t by cutting off this ferry service and by taldng it i'lnd cornb ·i.n-i.nq ·i.t: 1.11i. Lh another one, by cutting the No . :2 8 RJ.4S4

r.cheduJe:1s a~ he ha~ done-?., thdt., Jn fac 1:, he~ I.S CIJi: l: ·i.ng off -1-.hrc! l. i fc~ blood to Fogo IsJand and, t: h r~ r· o-F o t' o , c 1 1 ·I" I·. i. n g off .:-~ n y h o p f~ o F fldln·e deueJoprn~>.n-t-.? Does he not. r· f~ a 1. i .1.

P U1 ,_.\1: ? ~ n d 1~r i. l. l. h c.~ no I: , i nstec-ld of t:r·yi ng to bc~lancE:1 hts b u d g e i ~ o n I: h e b R c I< ~; of i·. h n p e o p l e of Fogo Jr.Jand, ask the PremteJ" lo I: i~ k ~>. s o Ill e o f I: h a I: $ ?. /. uli. ll. i o n t h i'l I: he i ~ spending in Mount Pear·l and i:Rke i.t out: l:o Fogo Isl.C~nd r:·1nd prouidE:1 th<'!rn with a tr·anspor·tatton s y s t:(~m? MR. SPEAKEf~: The hon. the of T r a n s p o r· t a '1:: i. o n . PREMIER PECKFORD : We financed the Co-op on Fogo 1sl.i'1nd . MR. DOYI_F. : Ml". Spl':'lai<c-:H', tJ.Je aJ r<-?.ady knoiAJ thi'.d:.

Uw IJI:tJ.:i.z.:~l ·.- i . on of i:hn Beaumont Hamel to prouide the dedicated s c~ t' v i r: e 'l'. n C h H n g r'! J: s ·1. ,,, n d s •:1 n r:l 1·: o Fogo Isli'.Hid :i.~ a J4Jor·kabJ <::1 ~;oJ ut-:i on l:o l·hr'! tr·;'ln s por·l ·:r.ll:ion pr·oblem, g:i ven th~1 fact t.hat. WC:1 l'li'.lVe->. used Hw Beaumont Hamel on lhn t·.I,Jn t' lHI!. fr·om Sept·embe~r to December of 1.987, ~~Jhi.l.c tho Ch ;:·lnge Tsl.dnd fcr·r·y, the->. Agnes and Anne, lAJas l:w ·i. n g r· (;! F i l: t c.~ d . T h a 1·: ·i. ~; l'lLWII:) (>. r· onH .

ThH Agnes and Anne was b r:!'i. n g r e f -i. t·: t E! d , s o 1.1.1 e cH d u s f~ 1:: h e Beaumont Hamel between September and Dec~wi~H:'r of 1987 . So we knoiAJ that that is a wor·kable soJ.ution r.O l:.hH pr·obl.t:1rn th•'l ·l·: is be "L ng t:1xpe:1rienced by ChangE! IsJ.ands and Fogo Island. Also t.hi:lt·: usedge last year of the Beaumont Hamel was less than 50 per cent. MR. TULK : Nonst:1nse. MR. DOYLE: It WcA s 48 per· cent:, Mr· .

Spec-lker, IAlh"i, C h -i. n d i. c ;:--~ i: n s that i-.hn May 3, 1988 VoJ XI. combination of the two systems may noi': br~ pP.t'fP.c:i: r·i.ght no1~1 b11t l : h~-t-. is the r(->.ason why I haue d~~c:id(:1d ·1 .. o rn e r ~ 1·. 1.1.1 ·i I· h 1: h f:! 1·: r· d n s p o r· t. .:~ t ·i. o n cornmi ttee of both Fogo IsJ and and Chang::! Tslr.~nd!;, , ... o -l:r·y i:lnd IAJor·k out tht:1 details of thE! thing, to r: h ;::, n g n '-' t' n 1 1 n d 1: h e s r: h C:! d 111. ·i. n g ·i. f i. t needs to bt:1 done . tr~e wiJ.J. changl" SdlOdiJl.c:!S i.'ll'lc:l lAIC::!

IAri.l.J. do t.Hlyt.hoi.ng we can to accommodate both the p~wpl.e of Fogo Islr:·ll'ld c~nd ChangE ! Islands so that we can have a good ·t:rRnspor·t.Ri:: .i. on syst·:.(;!ITI for· bot:h. It is not going to be a three poi.nt ser1ri.ce, Mr·. Speal<t:H', as sorne peopJ.e seE!ITl to thJ.nk it is g o :i. n g t-. o b e:1 . 1. t: J. ~; g o · i. n g t.: o b e a dedicated system belween Fogo Isl.r.·lnd i:Hld Far'E!I~JE'll, .:1nd bC'!t:.lmH!rl Farewell and ChangE! IsJ.ands. W(! CP.rtdinly do not know if there are going to be any problem s r:, !) s () c iJ'l h ·:! d I~J i. i: h ·t h ·:·l t b 1.1 t IAJO I'H'll) E! madE!

HIE! decision, we ~u·c;! m~H:1Li.n~l I~Ji. t: h bol .h i:l"dl'lSf>OI"ri :·\Hon commit t ees, and :if Ll.H~ nt:'ect t:o j11ggl.P. tH'OIII'ld ~;chedlll.C::!!), ;:--~nd I~Ji'ltd·. have you, we wilJ be doing that . MR. TULK : Mr·. ~)fl0.(-lknr·, d S1Jppl Ol'rlf!l'l'i'·.i:lr·y . MR. :3PEAKER: A final suppJ.ernentary, thE! hon . U1 e l'llr>.lfl b o I" For· Fog o . ~B..~_DLL~: Mr. Speaker, thE! hon. gE!JTllE!ITlcHl obviously docs not roali.ze that what he is talking about here i s a r· o ;~ d t-. o t h c:-~ 1·. 1 s l. and i. t. i. s a road.

And I say to h'.im that if 1:. h e t: r· ;:..:~ f f "i. c o v E! r· c E:1 r· t a "i. n p a r· t s o f the roads in this ProuinCE! is not 1.1 p L o pH r , l·w d o E! s no 1:. s 1,1 d d ~Hll y puJ.l up the pavemE!nt. Why is hE! pull i. ng 1.1 p Uri. ~' bo~·ll:. and tald ng i.l: away from those people? Now 1 SdY 1-.o t. h ( ~ rn·:i. n t !; t: e;! r· .i.f he;! IAIOUld like to hE!ar thr:~ trUE! s tor·y, "i. f he IAJO 1.11. d l i 1<::! +-.o h (~a r· h OIAJ No . 28 R14-SI)

-Lrnportant : thi.s f~;:1rry i. s And this service is to the people of Fogo Island, t L'lsk I: IH1 ul"i.nist.er, J.f he t.uould 1 i k E:1 to go to a real ml:1ettng, LIIOIJl.d he come to Fogo Island at two o 1clock on Sunday of thi s week to h0ar the people of Fogo Island tell him how important it i.s to thr:nn to have that boat and that

schedule maintained for Fogo Tsland? Wtl.l. h.::1 cornE!, or· i.s he:1 goj ng ·to hide :i.n the House and go to a fE!IAJ l. "i. l::t:l.0 transpo1"t".al. i.on committee meetings probably with SOllie Of h"i. S OIAJrl fr .i. 0 nr:J:;? MR .. SPi::rlKFR : 0 r d EH' , p J E~ i!l. ~; e ! Tlw hon. 1: h A M i_ n i. ~ ; 1: r:l r· MR ._DOY l.-£ : Mr. Speaker, the hon. gentleman L a l. k s a b o 1 1 t-. I· h r:l r· c~ a 1. r r~ ;·.-, s o n <·l n d 1~1h~.tt is government 1 s hidden r·ectson f o r· c o rn b -i rd. n g 1: h r~ Fog o I s land H n d Change Islands ferry service. Well, the real reason, Mr .

Sp~;:1aker, i.s hero on Hds p-1.<-:!Ce of pap<~r. It is costing the GOVEH'nrnent of N<,1WfOIJndJ.Rnd $2. 16 rrdllion For thE! ferry set~vice bE:11'.1AJ.::H,Hl Fogo and Far·E.~IAJ<,1l.l 1:-\nd the revenue that is taken in fr·om that ~H:H'lJ ' i. c (~ i. s $5 30, 000 . So "i. t "i. s costing $2. 16 million and the r· E:1lHHl u '~ R ~; s o c:i.;:l t: r~ d IAJi. t h H1 a 1-. i :; $SOO, 000. The fer·r·y sc-:1rvice bet: bu~f:Hl Change Tsl.andG rtr1d Farewell is costing $386,000 and Uli:~l·. t:r:'lkc: !~; 'i. n $6~),000 a ynrH'. So, Mr . Speaker, we feel we can pr•otr Lde Cl good !;c~r-,Ji.

CI~ fol" U1::! p c~ o p 1 e of r o go and C hr.\ n g c,1 Is 1 iHl d s and I i'\ !) T. s o:-\ i. d a rn 0 rn (! n 1: d 9 () I ·I: h 0. r· (,, probably w:iJJ be sorue det.aJ]s that. IAri.l 1 h a tJ c,1

h) b I'! IAJO r· I< 0. c:l o 11 1: , cl f I ' !I~J pl" ObJ.ems t.uJ.th scheduling iHld the l. i . kr~ IAJ i.J.J. l'lr:-\IH' l:o be;! IAJOY'kC'!d 011i: , but we are will:ing to sit down May 3, 19 H H Vol XI .. wiLh the peopl.n of Fogo tsl.and and Change Islands to work out these srnal.l problems. IF some rescheduling of the boats have to occur·, thE:Hl we wi.l.l. bEl happy to do that. I believe one of thE! mai.n probl.r,~ms dssoci.l:lt.E :ld IAJ""i.i~h cornb:i.n.ing the two ferries is that Change Islands and Fogo Island were worried about where the boat would ·l:.""i.e up Ht: ntgh1- ..

W!:l do hav~~ a couple of swing ve ss els in the sys1 :(,1ffl r:-\tld hopc~f11l.ly lAIC~ IAlill i:J <,~ able to provide both Change 'f. s 1. i:HH :I ~; H n d r~ o go 'f. s l. d n d IAJ":i L h H vessel to tie up ctt night, so t:.ha t: ·i. f dl'ly lo!HliH'(_!j(~l'lC.Y S h011l.d OCCIIr i.:ht,1Y wJJ] have a ve s sel avct.ilable t o 1: h Ofll . Mf~. FENWICK: Mr•. Sp(:~ak~H'. MR. SPEAKER: nw hon. t:hr~ lfi(,Hill:)(;!r for ' Mc-Hl'i.l·wl<. MR. FENWICK : Mr. Speaker, my question ts for· U·w Pr·~~rni.c; lr . And my quc;!s l":.

"i. on :i s about the employment eff e cts of t·. hE:~ MIJlroney·- R~~a<.:Ji.Hl -1-:r·ade d c~al that lJ.JE! are in thE! m:idst of f ··i. n f·l J. t z "i. n g . I r· r:~ c i.i 1.1 a s p C'l E! c h rnade by the Premier ab o ut . t wo months ago i.n IAJh i. ch ho :i. nd .. i. cc.ti:.E!d thctt thE!re were, I think, beti.A.JE:1en lJ.,OOO or r>,OOO jobs ~o be'! crc,H:d:l'!d in the Province. At that timE! I b E! 1. i. ( ~ IJ (~ h c,~ b o·:·l S ~1 d h -j_ S Eo! S t -j. 1 r1 i-'l [:: ~!!

S 0 11 a series of studies includ ".i. ng onE! don n by l : hr~ F. c onouli . c Counc-i .l. of Canada, which predicted s omewher e 11p 'o :o 3 r>o, 000 no1~1 jobs .

My question t o the Premier is U·l'i. !; : ~>·i.ncn Ulfl r::c:onolll "i. c Co11nc-i.l. of Canada has now downgraded their u !) t i. rn i:li': r! !> c o n !.; i. d e r· H b 1 y -L n J-.·. h (!! i. r· lat <o~st rc-:!por·t, sjnce t:.hc,~y actui51l1y hr:·ll)(~ i".h!;! dc,~i.:r'l:i. ., :; oF "i:hf ~ Fr'E!I~ t.r'ddE! agr'E!(:1mE:Hlt, and indicate-:~ somet.uher·c-:~ I : H~t1MC:1e n '70,000 r.~ nd 2r;o , ooo job s for the country as a IAJholE!, would No. ?.8 · R14.56 ·

t.he Premier give us an upgraded ~1sl :"i. mal: r~ on wh.:'ti-. tho C:!ffnc1-. I4JOIJld be 011 our Pro vi nee of thj s p i'' r· 1". i. c u l i"1 t' I: r· r:·1 d f:! d c i:l. l ? MR. SPfrli<LR : Th~'! hon. t:he PrendEH' . PRfMIFR PECKFORO: ha1J0. lllr'ldn r:1 nU111br~r· of spf:1:~cho~; Cl.l"ound thE~ Pr·ov : i.ncc::~, Ml". Sp~1al<er, on i:hal ·. llli.'li':l:c:!t' .

I do noi'. hi.'liJ(~ i.l·: r·".:ighl~ befor · <~ rnr! notAl, but thE:H'E~ is s 1: i. l l i.'l s i. g rri. f -L c cHIt n u Ill ~Ho! r' , '[ th:i nk sont~1tJJhere etround ll-, 000 jobs OV~'Y' l1'1~1 1-. on lj(:!; :~rs l::hi:·\t: I~JOIJld be created directly as a result of th~1 Fr'<:1e Tr·;:-~de Agr'OE:1lll<,!nt., so IAJE! ar<~ st:ill in a very positive stt:uati.on.

TherE~ Clre the Economi.c Counc:i 1 of Canada's figures, that our gr'oiAJth r·<:~ 1:<:1 i.n NE~I).rfoundl.and would be h:i g her t.ha n the national rt v EH' ag o t.l·1"' t i. s t hE~ f -i. r· s t. +·. i.1 n A that tAH:1 have ev<:1r s<~en that- in o 1:: h ~H' wo r·d s , i': h r.t t. Hw n x l:r· (Hni_ i'·. -i. o s of the country IAiill groiAI at a ft'tsi -:E!t' r'i"tl ·.e lhr:~n so1110 of the 11101"1·:! dE'!Vt:>.loped r·E!g:ions of thE>. country. [ I. ·i. S S 1: i. l l r:! X t: r· r:! IIH~ l. y p 0 S i. I·_ i IJ P. . T h c d n g r· o ~~ o f p o !; "i. I· i. IJ An e s s 1 !; no 1-.

"';. g r· eat: tHl d l~ 1n t. he asses s rne n t afl-iH' l:hoy h<WC:! S1 ~ en l:ho doal tl·l,Hl b<~for·~~ ·t-.hE~Y sr.~tAJ tht->. deal and f>r'(~SI.IInnd c::!r·{·.a·in Lhi.ng!; IWH'n ·i.n it, but it :i~ stiJJ extremely p o ~; i. l: ·i. IJ (~ f t" o 111 a j o b c-r· r~ rt i: 'i. o n p o -i. n +·. of v.i r::~tAJ both in Nr:.~tAJfoundland and ·in C<HHHia. And g'i.1Jc·Hl t:hCil : ·it :i.s po:.:l t:j v<~ and that t4.1e a1"e going to s e <'! c o rn · i. n g o 1 J t. of 1·: h ;:~ ~- i n c r· o r:1 s r~ d job oppor·turdt.:i.es cHld jobs for· ou1n pc-'!opl.<O! I tht:Hl 1~.1e s1.1ppor·t "i.l: .. MR.

FENWTCI<: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : A supp1~~mEH1tar·y, Lhe han. the HIE:1tnbc~r· for· M~11ri . hEd< . MR. FF.NWTCK: I. J li-S 7 May 3, 1988 Vol XI. Mr·. Spe!aker, before I star·t I ~ ; h () 1.11. d i:-\ 5 k Ul 0. p t' (:Wii . P. t' I ·i. f IH' d 0 (:1 s have-?. any i nformation, tAH>. IAJou1d r:·wpr·oci "' 1".(~ ·i.l : bcd ng t:<:~bl.r:!d or· in Answer·s To QtH:1Stions J c1tE:In on .

But in look:i ng at thE: tab1.t->.s, Mt". ~ )pni'lkC!t ' , dl'ld l.ook·i.ng r.·, ·l: l::he sectors of our economy, the bonef ·i. l::; -1-.hdi·: l'.ho Pr·r;!JWi.r:!ln oui:.J.-i.nod in the past do not seem to be ·1': h f ~ r· o . A!; i:l Hli:d: 1-.n r· of f ;:-u: I~, ~~I" .

Spe~ker, rny qu e s t ion to the Promier at this points i s: Looking at: the sectors, :it SE:1E!tns l · : hr:~l:: fi.shtng I~Jould <'l c count: for· approxirnalE!ly for·ty to om1 hundred jobs, g i.vE:n -l:.h<:! r·r:~i-.E:! of -Lncr·edSt'! they arE: talking abou ·t, rrdning r'lbout thirty E~xtr·a jobs, fol~ E!St:ry maybe tlAJenty; pulp and paper·, p ~ ' ! r h "' p ~ ; r:~ n e g c.~ t: i . v E~ .i. rn p a c t. , a n d t: h t' food industry tAJhich IAJouJ.d in c ludE! o 11 r· f -i. s h p l. a n t: p r· o c <:' s s i. n g b <c1 ::i. n q thE:1 most positiVE:' onE:', al: br::1t".tAJ(~E·I'l 1.3 0 I ~ o IJ.OO j o b :; .

M 1J q 11 r:! s t·: i on 1': o Ulf'! P r· <;: 111'i. E'!l' ·i s this: If our· pr·:irnary i.ndust.riE'!S i. n 1-. o t: ~ l. d r· r;! go i. n g 1·: o r· o s u l L .i n an :increaSE! :in E:1mploym~'l'lt. PE:'r'hap s of r:-~bott -1- 1:)00 l:o ()00 jobs br'! I.:I~H:!Pn no1~1 and 1998, bE:1cause the rwlAI pr·ojecl ·: ·ion:; iH'P. for· a fu 'l.l. hHl y l~ cJ.r' p l~ r :i o d , h ot.u c an he p o s s .i b 1 y gr~l: lJ-,000 jobs 011'1-·. or i-t: wiHHl our· basic pr· :irmu·y '.industr·i<:1S ar·c,, only i'l C C 0 U 1'1 i" i. 1'1 9 f 0 r• db 0 II 1-. fj 00 0 r· 6 00 i. l'l total? MR.

SPEAKER : T h o h o n . t: h <:1 P r· E:! m i. E! r . PREMTFR PECKFORD : I do not know where the hon . member got h1s figures. MR. TOBIN : S:i s l".to:r l.. or•r c,"i.n(~ M:i.chr.tt'!l., T. gut:1 Ss . PRFMIFR PECKFORD: I-dorlot-krlot;i-~.~,herE~ h~1 got thE~rn . r 1·: lfl"i g h 1: b ('! s 0 lrlf~ s () r: -i. i'1l "i. ~; l" r· (~ p 0 r· j- No. 28 ...""'!'" -~~-·--

fr·ow Ouh~r· Mongol. ·i.i'l. T. do not l<not.o~.l. And I am not i.ntc-?.rE:1sted. All. T. kno1.o~.J i.s l:her·c,, hr:~ppE:!rls 1-.o bu economists who work for the GOlJE!rnmr:Hlt , of Netufc.H.Indl.and, 1.~1ho are high1y qualified economists and 1.~1ho r.~r·e -Ln contact. wi.t.h t.h<o1 Economic Counci1 of Canada, with t-.he Econorn-i.c CouncJ.l. of Newfoundland, with the Conference Board of Cani'ld~ and so on, and thcd: thE:1 projections for job -i. 1'1 C r· 0 r:~ S E!

S , a S 1:1 r e S 1.11. i·: 0 f f In (:1 f'! t:r·ade, come in at abot~t 4-,000 OVE!r t:hr.ll-. h'::1n ye;u· pe:1r'i.od . 1\JOlAJ T IAJ.i.l.l. get the-?. stat.ist.i cs over· the nr:1xt I : I~JC,1n1-.y -fc)IJr ho11r'~;, as T hr:-llH1 donc,1 o v EH' t h E:1 J a :. t rw m b e r· of d a y s o n quesL'i.On!; Lhr'll: hi'1lH1 bHIHl r:-\:;kod, and 1~1e 1~r:.i J 1 con c r· E! tc::1 J y prove to l : hr~ hon. l_:jPn1-.l.P.ItlrHl, 1Wnn U ·lolll::Jh h :i :. r. o c :i. et J :i. s t bent rtd g h t not want l:o bPl.il:!lH~ i. l:, HH-11-. HH~r·p ~H'I : ! p o ~; ·i t . :i v c-?. j o b o p p o r· t u n i U. E:1 s to b <-?.

Ct'f~r:-ll:nd dS a r'OSII11·: of l·.hA rr'I'!O t r· ad E! a g r· CcH?.TIJ(:! n t . AS -i. I~ r n 1 f·1 i': <:! s l: 0 1: b r,1 I" C:! so 1.1 r· c A industries, as i t relates to the s <-?. r v ·i. c E:1 ·:i. n d 1 1 s 1:. r i. c,1 s , r.~ s t t r· A 1. i:-l t: r~ s to the freer flow of investment into the Province that we ~re a J r· e ad y s e e t n g at Come By Chan c E! , I.~H~ see:~ nolA! in most of our r·esoi.Jr'CE:1 industries that most of the c a p i.'t. d 1. i. s c om i. n g f r· o 111 o 1.1 t s :i. d ('! of Newfoundland.

And if we can i.ncr'\ :1aSE:1 thr.ll : i'llltounl: of ct.·lp'i.i- .a1, without giving clway ownership or r:~nything l. 'i. l((,1 that-. of o11r' r· e sour c <0! s , f r· om t. he UnitE! d S t:c1 t: e s , w ,,, "1.1. , t: h E! n , t h ;:" l. ··i s p o s :i. t·. ·i lJ ~~ "' ~; IAI8) J. . So l IAri J 1 t.f.~ke thE! hon. rrwrnbc,1r up 0 n h "i. s c h i:-l ll (~ n 9 0 r :~ n d r· 1:~ !) p 0 n rl i' 0 h·jn, in th(~ l'lE!X'l-. tiMC:1nty--four· hour·s or· so on I· he f ·i gur'n!; 1"hai · l·ll:! i !i JIOIAI quot:i ng. MR. FFNWr:C:<: A f'.i na] suppJ.E:'I'II(~ntalny . Ll/.1.58 Mi'l y 3 , 1. 9 8 8 \Jol. XI.. MR.

SPEJlKFR: A final supplementary . MR. FENWICK : Th(~ rc,1por·t. wh .i.ch, by the IAiay, i s not a socialist document but a paper prepared for the Economic Council of Canada and dated Apln:i.1 o f t: h i. s y (:1 a r , a n d i. t ·i. s t: h <o1 rn o s t. recent one with the J.atest C OJilpU trH' S i. Hllj 1. at "i. 0 n . My fi.nal supplotnc,1nl'.ar·y quost. -L on l·:.o thE!

Prr:1mier is this: SincE! t:.hc"!Y do h H 'J e a 1 .. i s t: o f 1·.: h c,1 l o s ·.i. n q industries, the ones which will doFin ·lt e l. y l.os o jobs, r.lnd s i n c e J E~ather· pr·oducts, which j ncluclt'.1S r 0 I) 1·:1*~ d r• i.'l n d .i n C 1. U d C:! S t: h E• opr:1ratjon Jn HcirbotH' GracE! of Tor-r-<-1 1\lolHl Shoos, :u; 1 i !;l~ r.:!d i:-l S t;l Josjng :industr·y, tAJould not: ti·H:! Pr·otJrir =!r' dt:!<nOJAI1odgn i'.h.:;'i'. I~J('! do have a poss:ibil.-ity of Jo s :i.ng t:.hat ·i.ndll!>lr-y or· S1c1r:!1.ng ·i.t bHi.ng crippled substant.Jally by a free l:r··,:·ldH r:lgr·r~otrtf.!l'll ... ?

PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr. Sp(~aker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Prem i er . PREMIER PECKFORD : Mr. Spc~i'lk~H', Hlos 1: of 1::1-H'! lc;!i:id:hE:H' indu~try, the shoe industry that IAJi.ll lo s A 1•ri.l. J. be:1 ·in CE! n Lr· r.ll Canada. The OIJJrlE!r of t:hE! company d·l·. Hr:1r·bo11r' Gr·~1ce:1 has r.'ll.r·eady indicated t:hdt t:hE!Y ar·<o1 posit:.iVE!l.y d : i . sposr~ d ·t:o 1-.hc.:! fr'PH t:r·i:·ldc,~ agr·c-:1EHnc~nt: IArith thE! United Sl':at :E'! S .

T l · tc,~ y ;:, r· 1,1 n x p <.Ht d ·i n g ·:i. n H a dJ o IH' GracE:1 right. noiAJ, and t:.h"'~Y ha~JC' ! 1~; p A r' Cl'!l'l I: 0 f -1-: h f~ 1.•10 I" 1. d S ;:;, f WI:: y footwear market: and 10 per cent of ·I: he Un i 1·. Hd :11:r<tl:n•;, o;" lJ"i.r:P I!~H'!;i'.'l, and are increa s ing their mark e t !ihi.H'I~ ;'lnd lh(:11J i:·ll" e v~:!r'y r:ornpo ·t·. :.i.i·.·i.ve. pr·oblem you have :in No. ?.8 ln4SH

textiles industries and shoe i.nd1.1S l·:r·y r·elal:.c.-:H; llli'l i.nl.y to Cr:~ni:n'll Canada 1.uh~H'e they have had tart ff f>r' o ·1'". o c L i. on o 'JC'! r t: h c~ y ~~ iH' s of $3~,000 or $36,000 a year per job. No IA.IOI'ldOt' Cc~n l:r·al. c.:'lnc'ldc'l hi'\~) been better off than the P. x 1: r· o rrri I: i n !> b c~ c ;:'1 '1 ~' o i: h c~ r· 0. h r:~ !) b ·~ 0. n th·:i.s tcu·j ff llJaJ J put. up a1"ound to pr·o I:P.ci: HJCWI. (lN IWN. MEMBER : Whr.d· j s ·t-.hi:tt.? PREMrER PFCKFORD : j s t 0 cJ 0 IJ..ri t h thE! agr'E!SHIE!nt:.

Il-. i.s a book on l:. hc~ rt'C:!C~ l:radc,~ et g r· e em en t IAJ hi c h has the $35,000 f i g u r· (';~ -L n h E! In (:1 I pr~;;~p;:u·c,1d Donald Macdonald and the other economists. And they have, therefore, become very non-competitive because they I~JE!rE! pr·ot:e:1c l::ed. Econorn"i.st:s wor·i::h their salt: in this world today agr·~:!€~ l~.hr.·1i~ thHt ts not. good economics, that is not good pl.anni.ng of the economy. Those arc-:! the j ndust rj es that arE:1 going i:: o l. o s e . H r'\ r· b o 1.1 r· G r·"' c e <.·l r· e i n +·. o <:l s (:1] e ct :i v e mcH'k et.

They ar~;! not -i.nl:o L:hc~ gHnc,~r·,~l m<'trke1: For· shoe~~; and boots that IJ..Je I.U<-'!a.r euer·y day, they ;:'Ire tnl ·o a sr.leci:iiHi! llli'lt'kE!~. 1.uher·(-'! t.hc:1y hiwe bE:HHl ver·y, very COinflOi"".i.l:i.IJe, r.tnd rHlY f1Jr'l:h1n' l"educ-t-jon in t.ar·iff :into the u n i. I: e d s l:r:l I : (~ :; I l!l h i. c h . i. s ()I'll~

I) r thc,dr· rna:i n n1ar I< et s be cau s (,1 thc-:~y h i:·l l)f;! r:l d ·~ (~ l 1~1 i. '\: h ll r:·l h:-~ !) h C)(~ s 'i. n 1. he safety footlAJB<'H' iH'c-:!a. only, 1.~o.r.iJ.l. bc,1 ad lHHl 1: "'g r~ o 11 s '1: o H r.n·l:l o 11 r' G r· '-" c e . No1.~o1, whc,nl you rnakE:' a br·oad s ~ : i'l 1·: ~'!Ill~~ n t t h i'1 '\: 1: h (~ l. (,~ r:l 1: h (~ r· i n d 1~ s t. 1n y i s g o t n g t. o b 1':~ a f f e c t. e d , t. h d t i. s n o t: 1.: o s a y 1:: h a t: 1.: h c-:1 r· r~ r.t r r-~ not P<'H't"icular· :industries in that umbrellR which will beneftt.

Generally speaking most of the s h o e a n d t: e x t i. l e:1 i. n d u s t· r .i. c-?. s IJ..J i. 1.1. be affE:~c l":ed becauSE! rnany of them h 1:-1 v c,~ b o c,1 n u n d c;! r· t: h i'l t p r· o t ~~ c '1.: -i. v r-?. tariff waJ.l and have not become Ll4-59 lJol XI · competitive. Harbour Grace is j1~s1: HIC,1 opposi.t.c~. Th~=!y iH'C:1 no1.~o1 modernizing and are in the sr~l.c-~c:'\:i.IJA pr.tr'l"". of 1-:i'IC'! ~>hOE! llliH'i<c-?.t. or the footu.Jear mar·ket, bE!tt<-:H' s r.~ i. d . T h o r· o F o r· e , 1: h c ~ y c r.t n s ~H' t.hat there are still sornl':1 cust.om d 111: i 0. s or· 1". o:t I" "i.

F f s o ng o ·.-i. n g .. i. n +.: o t: hE! United States which will be ol.i . lll'i , l'li'll:r,~r:J r~l'ld, i ~ hr,~I"Ofor('!, IIIFik<-?. the:ir p1noduct rnorE:1 cornpE!tit':i.V(:' ·in tho IJn i.i:c,1d Sl ·. i'ltw; of Ai'riC'!Y'ica. You have · to makc-:1 sure::~ that. you do nol:. spr·or:'ld 1-.no br·o.~-H:J IJJ-i.i:h your bJ"I.ISh. MR. DECKER: Mr . Sp~~i'lk~H' . MR. SPEAKER: The hon. thE! rnernbE!r for thE! Strait of Br;!l.l.c,1 Isle. MR. DECKER: Spet.·lki.ng of jobs, Mr·. Spc,1clhH', my question is to thE! han. thE:! Pr·orn i.c'!r. Mr.

Dobb i.n i.s q1.1ol.:E:!d ·in the press as saying that there wc,1 r· t=! o t: h {;! r p eo pl.('! r r· ~'! s 1,1 n t r:-1 1:: one of thE! ITIE!etings. The PrE!InJEi!l" 1Ar.U.1 b (,~ r.\IJJi~l I" 0 0 f 1·: h •'·1 t . ~,J-i. 'J.l. 1:: h ('! Premier confirm whether or not +:1-w r· t~ lmH' c.~ o 1-. h t:! r· p r~ o pl•·:! or· ;,, not. h r,H' person at: one or two of those rnord: ·i.IV:!JS r"'r·. Dobb·i .n i:cl.l s r.·lboul~ ? MR. SPEAKER: T h e h 0 n . t:. h e P Y' EHTii E:~ r . PREMIER PFCKFORD: No, Mt'. Sp<,1r:·lkor. r'IR. DECKER: --~· ... -A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR.

SPEAKER: A S1lpplHrnl':1nt;:u·y, member for the IslE:~. MR. DECKER : 1: he Strait hon. of the;! BeLlE! Mr. Speaker, there haVE! bE!(i!n s E! v <-'! r· i:'l J. s u g g €~ s L :ions ;:-' s to h OIAJ 1:: he han. the Pr'E!TTiier should dE!aJ. IAJ'it:.h No. ·?.!! R:l.ll-59

these atti!lck~. One sugg~1stj on j s to call Mr'. Dobbi.n befor·o t:ho 13c-lr', or· t a I< e him to c o u r· t or· s e e t h ~1 Hl"i.l'lll i··. C:! S 0 f 1.: h ~1 HIC:1 0 i· ·i. 1'1 9 . No1~1, i: h 0 Pr·entier· has announced that he is not goi.ng to b:~ke hi.111 to co11rt. I want. l~.o ask l:ho Pr't:1ul:i.c;!r how far is he prepared to allow Mr. Dobbin to go with those malicious attacks before he is prepared to take some definite actton to stop it? MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Pr·ernier. PREM[ER Pf:CKFORD: That js [ IAJ"i.l.J. COlH'!;e. up to lfli-1 k 0 mE~, Mr·. Speaker, my d o c i. s i. on "i. n and dliC:! MR.

EFFORD : Ml". ~~pC:1ctk~H'. r~l~. SPEAI<F.R: ·1 h~:! hon . thE~ n1~~mb(:H' for· Po1"t. de Cr· <'llH~ . MR. EFFORD : l h .:ul k y o 1 1 , M r· . S p l:H'I I< cH' . Mr·. Spc-:1aker·, ruy qlH:1st.ion i!; to thc-:1 M'i.ni.si':er of C11li~11re, R.:~crent:"i.on and You t h U.ll r· . B u t.l ) . Y e s t e r· d a y morni.ng i.n t:h~~ Est'i.inat-.(,~S Courrn:i.ttt:H:! I askE:~d thE! minister· if he 1.uas awr:~ r e t. h ct t 1:. h.:~ fa c :i l. i. t. i. <.;! s at: the:~ Mount Pearl swimming pool were not acce:~sstbl.e to the handi.cr:~ppE~d IAJh<"'n it comes to pr'E!paring for the Surmner Gt::~HIC:~s.

Th<,~ 111i.ni.sh:!r has stated clr:~arly that thE!Y were i.·\CC(,~SSi . blc;!. T. ask t.:he uri.n'i.st.c'!t' not~J has he,~ hds don~~ any chc.;!cld ng j nto that sJnCE! i·: he F s t i. HI r.1 1-. r,~ s Co 1 nrn i. t 1·: C'! c~ y 1-~ s t: e r· d r.1 y rnor·rd ng or· doE:~s he s U .lJ stand by Uldi · s 1·_,:-\l~ t=!lflenl:? MR. ~:>PEAKFR : ThE~ hon. t.hc,~ Mint~; l~e:H' Rocr·r~;:~l:'i.on and Yo11l:h. I. 14-60 May 3, 1988 of CuJ t.ur·e, VoJ. XL MR. BUTT : Mr·. ~)pf:~.:~I<'H', dltr' i.ng yesterday morning I M:i n :i. s i·. r;! r' c h r~ c k 1~J:i. +: h in Mount Pearl +· h (~ Est. ·i. rna 1:: c,~ s had thE!

Dc-:~puty c ·i. t y o F f · i. c i. d l. s to chE!Ck r.\CCO!)S:i. bi.J.i . t:y '1-.0 t.hf:~ SIJ.ri.TJIHI i.ng pool there and t.hey confir·rne!d th<:lt: Mo1rnt. Pt:H~rl. SIAJi.rnrrri.ng pool IAJclS under major upgrading for a c c e s s 'i. b i. l. 'i. t y of 1::1-w p h y s :i. c ally dtsabled people and . that aJ.l thE'! i n t r:1 g r· a h,H-1 'H! n 1 1 E! s s c 1·1 (.;! d u 1. e d For' the . Summer Garnes in Mount Pearl 1~1ould go ;:~hEH~d on s dH:!dl.il.r:1. MR. SPEAKER: Order, pl.Hr.ise! ThH l·.·i 1r10. for· 01",:-11 Q 1 1 o s l: -J. o n s elapsed. Petitions MR. TUI..I<: Mr·. Spr. : !al<(~r. MR.

SPEAKER: l h e h o n . t:l-w HH:! HI~)('! r f o r· F o g o . MR. TULK: The peti. t·l.on i.:ha t: T. am ;:·\bout . t.o present, strictly speaking ts not i. n o r d CO! r i.~ c c o r· d ..-i. n g l: o t. h E~ r· u J. :i. n g s that Your Honour has made•, but:. I hi.~V<:~ spoken to l~.hc,~ Govc"'rnrnE!I'lt House Leader, and I thtnk I have spokE!I'l to the l.r:H~d(,H' of the,~ NDP, and they have agreed that. even thou g h "i. 1: :i. s no 1': "i. n o r• d e In , by leave of the House, since the p c,~ o pl. r:! <:·\ r· r~ c~ x p r· E>. ~; s i. n g <:·\ n o p i n ion that t.hE!Y lJ.Jant: to have be!for.:~ thE!

Gr:nH~ r· nHH~ n t , I~H~ s h oul. d p r· e s ~~ nl:: t: l·l'i. s pet:ition. I t .h:ink that: t.hat is c o r· t' o c I: , I" h <.d: b y l c=!i:·w c~ l !; h o u l. cl b e:~ allowed to present it. Min. Speaker·, t.h(,1 pr·ayc;!r of l~.h~~ pol - l.l· ion 1~1h·idl ·i . ~; !;ignr:!d by some 600 r•c,1s:-ide:~nt.s of Musgl"av~:! Har·bou1" r·r~i·ll:h: 'I,,J:~, i·l·w llndr~l"!;·i.gnnd, No . 2 8 R1460

he r·e by pet i. t. :i.on Lhe Gov E?. r ntrl<c~ nt of Newfoundland and Labrador not to s<,~l1 the f:i.sh plant: ;:~t MusgrdVP. Harbour·. 1 M t' .

S peal< e r· , the f i s h p 1 ant i n M11sgr'r'llJO Hr:u·boiJr' IAJas bui.lt :i.n 197() 1977, and it r·epr·esent.:ed a COH!lllllnil~y effor•L r:'l.nd <'\ COIIIIII"i.trnonl ·: by a numbccH' of people j n Musgrctve Hi:\ r'L1 o 11 t' i ~ o d ·~ v o l. o p 1: h n i. r' OI!Jn d r' r~ 1-1 , and :it r·<o!PI"e~;E:Hit.ed a cormnun:it.y wfror·l: Lhr ·· ough ,,,h,:\-1: ~~~"'~' Hlt:!n i·he Musgi''CIV(~ Hr.td>OUI" DevoJ.opriiE~nt A s s 0 r: i. a'[: i () n . l h (·~ I f1 0 I f1 b CcH' r () t' TwiJJingate wilJ c]ectrly remember L he o f f o t' I: 1': h i'l t 1'. h o s r~ p no pl c,~ fll I I: into getting ct fish plant in their· OIAJI'l .:u·oa Y'dthor' Hl.:Ul ha'J i ng somebody else control their d e s t i. n y , "'n d s o 111 o bod y r~ l. g o c on 1-. r' o J. t h E:d. t' f :i s h p rod u c t s , a s t h e m mn b e r for · rwill.ing~te wds then the Minister of Fisheries.

Mr. Speaker, this petiU.on shotAJS us l::hi.'\t those people "i.n MLJsgri'lVE~ Harbour are generally in agreement that thRt ftgh pl.snt should not be sold. BE!CausE:~ if it is sold, and I ;:~w addrE:~ss i.ng 111y cowHHHll~s more to the Minister· of Fishedes, and we h "" 'J P. d .i. s c: 1 1 s s ·i. o n s o n t h ·i. s , ·i. f t.h1-..1t fj :.h pJ.ant is soJ.d, the f e e l. :i. n g s o f t: h o s r~ p C::! o p l o -i. s s · i.lll pl. y Ud s, that: sorn~~body E'!l.S<c~ contr·ols l:hn dr~s · liny · of t:hHI: r:Ofllllltln:i.l · y.

And if UtE:~ fish pJcw ·t :is so]d to ~;ornn oi:hl,'t' f · i~>i"l c:olllpi:Hly, c)ll ' l:~dc:lt:! t·hp pJi:ic~~. th<oHl, jndE:~ed, i.n i'.l Jn,~U·P.t' of 1nonl.h~; i.f l·.he ~;i : ocl<!; go dOIAirl, J.f pr·".i.ces dr·op Ol" :if a co1np;:~ny gr:! 1 ·.~; i.n tr·oubl o, l:hr~y could find thE!ITISE:~Jves in a posi . l:i.on •~Jh<'!t'f'! i-.hro!Y hHIJc:! no f"i.sh pJant., IAJhE:H'E:~ thE:~Y hctVE! no f:ish pl.i'\1'1'1: Of>E~n. M u s 9 t' i'l v E!

H c'll" b 0 1.1 r 'i. s <:I pl. d c E~ !AI h (cH' (,~ a gi"Bctt dE!aJ. of fish :is brought i. 11 ; s o rrl<o! 6 HLi.l. l i. o n p o u n d s t: o 9 rni.llion pounds of fi.sh a year is br·ought. -i.nt:o +.:hat corrnnun:i.t:y. If L1461 May 3, 1988 Vol XL t 1·1 (! p 1. ,,, n t. i. s s o l. d , l: h e 11 t.: h e p e o pl. E'! of Musgrave Harbour feel that they ht.·\IJr,~ lost 1:hn-i.r bi:\1"9EI'i.n.i.ng pOIAIE:~r· to have secondary processing in Uw i. r' c orrnrull'd l: y . s-i. n c e "i. t i. s r.1 small feeder pJ.ant, anyway, they r:·\ r' 0 l. ·i. k e l. y 1:

I) s (,~ lo~ f •i. s h b r' 0 u 9 h t. into their community in a raw !) l:r:·d·. 0 , p 1.1 i': i:\ b 0 iH' d R 1·: r U C k i:Hl cJ caJ'Tied t.o somE:~ other comrnun".i ty f o t' ~; c~ c o n d i:\ t' y p r' o c:: u ~; !; · i. n g . {h r. llndr~r·~d·<·Hid i I· Fr·o1n l.hf~ j:)(Wpl~:· 1.uho arc.;! :in thE:~ gc:lJ.ler·y, and t:.h~:!l"l':' i'lr' C'! r ·j I)C'! 0 t' !>"i ;< F·i. s 1'1 I'! r'J'IIH n i:·Hl d 0 rw fisherwoman as Flora MacDonald I•JOIIl.d ~;,'\y I rtshnr'fllcH'SOJ'lS t h;,\'[~ plant now pr·ovid<.;!S sorrl(:! 108 jobs. A n d I 1 ~~<:uli": t o p o 'i. n t o u l": I·H:! r' c::~ , M r' .

Speaker, to the Minister of F i. s h E! r· -i. c,~ s a n d l: o t. h e H o u s ('! , 1:: h a t. the people of Musgrave Harbour h 1:·\ IJ (;! no t: h -i. n g , a t. t.: h i s p o t n t. i. n time, but good to say about 8<-;!0t.h-Lc Fi.sh Pr'OC(c~ssor·s, the people who ar'E! nou.J operat:i.ng that: F'i.sh pl.Rnt. I sRy ~o the M·intster of Fisheries and I say to this Hous<:', -i,n th-i.s p~>.I·.:-Ltion !·.:hose people are not talking about a f 'i. g h t IAJ i.

L h B (;! () t h .i c F i. s h ProcE!SSors, it is not a fight tAdth Nol·:rt:t,~ Di:\1110 Bt.·1Y F"i.shor·i. <~s, -L t. i.s just the simple fact that those pc~opln br,!li.f~'JH th;:~1: by k~:!ep-i.ng their fish plant in t .. l·~~::d.r c; omHII.Jrl'i 1: y Uw y i:lr' r,~ k (~ o p ·i. n g t: hE! i. r bar·ga :in:-i ng pos :.i t.::ion in thE~ t:r'Clclc:! L h 1:1 L •J on !; o n i. n ·r i. ~; h . f·1t'. Spndkc'!r', T IAHnL i:o ;:·lc:ldr·r~ss on<:! ol:.h~~r· jssu<~, and I IAJdnt to f.lddi"E!SS l'. h i. !i 1: o I Jw M :i. n "i s i". e r· of Fisheries. The minister knows · t·.h;:~t l·.hHr'l'!

I~Jer·n l.c::1+·+:r:!r':; ~>tJbrni.l:·.l:.ed to the gov<~rnriiEHlt :i.n 1984, i':\ c 't: u i'l l. l. y , f o 1.1 r y E~ i:1 r' s i:'l q o , IAI h .i c h said that. under certain conditions th<~! comHJun-i.l·:y, l':hr:! f·i.siHH'Ifi<:H11 s Cornrn:i.ttee and so on, IAIOUJ.d bE! p n~ p iH' <:!C~ t o s ~~ l. J. t.l'w f 'i. s h pl. a n t. . That 1~.k\S a Jni.SLJI'ldl·H'S 1-:andj.ng. I r.~m No . 2 8 R 14·6 1 I • ... ~~ t

l:ol.d by SOIIIt~ or i:l-10!)0 flC,!Opl t~ IAJhO I~IEH·e on t-.he comm :ittc~e at the ttrue 1: h H I: l: h o l t:! i": i". n r· s h o 111 d h i:'l

t) n r· (~ d d , ' I f :i. n t- h c~ f i n a 1 CJ. n a 1 y s :l s gOt)OY'nlriOI'l-1': df~Ci.d(:!S l:o sol.l. i:hi.s f-.i:.h plant, Uwn IJJe would pr'E!fer l:hal: i 1: I:H:! sold to Rool:h"i.c fi. sh Pr·oc~~ssors rather· thi:ln sold t.o SOHif:10nO r:~J.sc,~. 1 Thr:1 i.r pre:~fE!Y'(HJce:~ IAJOLil.d be:1 i::hi.·ll:: lhe fish plant not be sold, that it be:~ OIAJned by t.: he g OV (H'rlfrJ(.;! 11t, i:. hd r. i. t be kept by the government, and IA!or·k i.ng through the,~ F i.shE:H'rnen' s Committee in Musgrave's Har·bour, ser:~ t.hi'lt: that·. pl.;'lnt. 1~.1as l.e:H~Sl'!d to the people that the Fisherman's co rnm i. l. t r:1 E!

IAJCll.l l. d l.l..li'll'l t. i. t- l. (:~ <:1 s e d 1·: o . NOIAI, I:: hal: and bes :ides that, Mr·. Speaker·, 1 ot·.l·c:!r' l•lr:~ s IAIY' :i.l: 1 ... on i . n 1.9 8'1·, I ~;c~Y to thr:' Minish>r' i:ind I s "' y l~ o 1: h i s 1·1 o 1 1 s f:~ , , .. h '" 1: con d "i. t: :i. o n s hc•AV(:1 chclll'lg(~d Jn thr.At ar·ea sj neE! Uwn . I n 1 9 8 4- , B ~~ o ·t:l-d c F j s h P r· o c c... s s or· s OIAJI'Wd uno pl.. :-u11· in Vi.~lleyfi(~ld, on th~:! o t h~H' sJdE! of MusgrblVC:1 Hru·I:H)IIt'' . Today l·hoy OIAJn d plr:Hll . :i.11 TIAI'i.lJ:ingr..tb~. Tn other IJJor·ds, Uwy hdtH! (,1xt:end(,1d +·.hn ·i.r· cblpad ty .

And :if th~~ Beothic Fish ProcE~ssors f "ind i::hc,1JOS(;!ltJ(,1S "i.n a po~d tJon they are good pE:1ople, but th~; y ;:u·c,~ bus i. nE1 s s rne n - IAJI'HH'e thE~ f'ish stocks ar·e dotun, or· IJJhere t.hE~Y do nol: hi:'\V(! enough fi.sh to supply a11 of thedr plants, then t t is cp.1 i. t: e l. "i. k <:~ l y , b ~~ i. n g bus:inessm(:111, it is quite possible t: h a t t. h o s ('! p e o p l. ~~ IAI i. ll '" g H .i n t H I< c,, fish in the raw state out of M u s 9 r· i:'l v (c' H a r· b o 1 1 r· . Tt. 'i. s no sc,~cr·~~t. Mr. Spor:~kc;!r', to r..tnybody IAJho l<n01.~1s t.hE:1 Nor·t.hE:1ast.

Co '" s t of I h i s P r· o •ri n c o , i':I'H'I 1': M11sgr·ave Harbour· suppli.r:~s thc,1 g r· c,~ i.-1 l: o r· p or· l· ·i on o F 1· h o s l: o c: k , I· he gl"c,~atc,11" por·tjon of fish to fish pl.arrl ·:!; dt'l)llrld l : h;:~i: r:H'f:!d or l · h·~ l..lll -6/. Mr..ty 3, 198~ VoJ.

XL ~)c) , :r s a y i · o 1'. h H H u 11 ~>t:! r:·)l JCi T s r'1 y l: o t h e M :i rd s t E:~ r , a n d I u n d e r· s l: a n d i:hn M·i.ni.:;Un· .i.!; goi. n1~ to SfH~i.-lk to thJs, that I IJJould hope,~ that IAJE~ cHn heHr lhHt he is going lo support this pE!tit:ion, and I IAJoulcl l'lOfH~ H1r'ti': Jn lfllH~t .. i.ngs thAt: IAJ~~ haVE! planned with him this afternoon i.:hi:l i.: I~JE~ can I~Jor· k oul:: thf:! k J. nd of d E!al where by '"'e see thE! pE! op 1 E! of Musgr·r'tve Had.)OIIY' keep somc,1thinq that they worked for in 1976 l 9 '/ 7 , a n d I< e C'! p t: h c-:> "L r f 11 t. IH' C'!

J. n their own hands rather than passing it: off to some person outside thedr community. Thi:Hlk yo11, Mr·. ~-)peak~H'. SOME HON . MEMBERS : 1·1 f~ a r· , I'H'! ;:u· ! Mf~. ~PF.flKFR: The hon. Lhe TIM i. 'll i. J'l\] i·l h' . MR. W. CAfHER: rn~~ rnb e r· fo1" Mr· . ~·)po;~k''!t', r i.·liTI ver ·· y, tHH'Y ~li:·1ppy clnd very proud to support the fH:1i·.-i. l: i.on UJi-11". ury coll~:!i.·lguo <:'lnd fr·'iE:~nd for· Fogo has pr·E:~SEHlt.E!d l~ode1y on behHlf oF 600 r·~:!s'i.dont.:s of Musgrave Harbour.

I see no l: h i n g ;:~ t "'J.l IAJY' o n 9 141 :i. t. h t: he F-ishermen's Corr~ittee of Musgrave Hi'trborlr rf:)l ·: a:i.ni.ng oto~JnE:!r'sh"i.p of that plant, that building. It :is a bu:i.l.d·i ng that: . '·"''~'s put th(:!l"l~ thr·ough thedr proVE!rbial blood, sweHt ctnd teHrs. r believe it IAJMS butlt in about 1976 by the p r· o •ri. n c i '" 1. g o

l) l;! r· l'llllf~ n 1: . I t. IAJCl s bu:i.Jt: on the advJce, thE! 1. n s ., s l~ e n c r:~ , T s 1.1 p p o s e , -i_ s a b E! L t (:) r· word to use, of the Fishermen's (: 0 Hll rri. U: r~ 0 r:~ 1'1 d 1: h r,~ p 0 0 p l. C:! 0 f Musgrave Harbour at that time. I r·ecall, in 1975, ·L. h c,1 land:ings :in M 11 !; g r· N tJ o i·lar·bo1 1 r· 1o~1:~ r· o i'lbOII'l: :~ 3 m:i] ] :i on pounds of f:i.s h Th(:' c o rmn i. 1·: +: o , . ~ al: l:hu ·1: i IIIC'! f' r,~ l. t: l·hdt No. 28 Rl462

that vol111nE! of landing, that quantity of fish tvould warrant a small filEd:. i.ng plant b~~ i.ng bwi.J.t in t.he:ir community. Because, like <.1 l.o t of rur·Rl .

Nowfo11ndl.andc :!rs i.n fish:ing cornrnun'ities, they were a l.Lttle s t ck and tired of seeing thE! restJlts of their· labour be:i.ng 1.1 s (:~ d :i. n 0 t: h 0 r p r:U' h; () f 1: h f:~ Pr·ovj nee.;! to pr·ovide employrn~~nt, l:h<:1 people of Mllsgr',JllH~ l-l<u·br)llr at: thc"l t:il'll~~. h~~aded by .the comrn :it.tee, IAJanl':ed l'.o u~r:-, · kr~ !iiH':~ 1-.i'Jdi'. l:llr:~y t4J o u 1 d 9 c:! t L I· 1 E~ n 1 r.t x j Ill urn bE:~ n E~ fit s fr·om HH,~ fi.sh t · · h,:~l: 1·.hc,'y ~~~~:~r·r~ l i-.!nd:i ng. And you cannot blr.HIIE:' i:hr~HI For· Hl.:-11·.

Th;ilnk~; l .. o Ult:!ir· pel"!;:i!;t.e:~nc~~ t'!.nd hc.tl"d wor·k, lhe c,1r: ono111y of Uvt1 : r:Ollllfllln i. l· y, fr·om t.u h i!l t T c a n u n d e r· s t a n d , h a s j u s t a b o u 1:'. t 1 1 r· n r,~ d r."l r o 1 1 n d i n t h n p ;:~ s I: f o tH' or· f j v e , or· s <-:! v e n or Ed g h t y<:~rH'S . Now, ther·e is nothing u.wong with t h d t , M r· . S p e ... , k C:! r . M u s g r· ave Harbour has been fortunate in that t. h ('1 y ell d rl t t r· <:" c t. o n <:1 o f t.: h ~~ b <:1 s t f:ish plant operator·s, I suppose, c e r t a i. n 1 y o n t h c,1 No r t h ~= ! d s r.

C <H-H> t . , and, I l.llould go so far as to say, may bE! th <:1 en t-. i. re Pro lJ i. n r: c,~. TIH! r·P. is nothing u.wong with Beothic f. 'i. s h e r ·L e s , b 1.1 t l b 1::~ l. ·i.

E:'V E:~ 1: h ;:~ t t h o Fishermens' Committee and the p e 0 p l ~~ () r M II s g r· .:-\ l) ~~~ 1·1 !:H' b 0 u r· h R l)(~ r3. rJght to be the architects of t.hwi.r· OIAJI'l dns 1: i.ny, <Hld l:hdi' : r:dn best be done by thern r·el.iilin:i ng o IAJ n r:! r· ~; h 'i. p of t h <.1 t pl. a n I: . 1-l o r: ,.,,, 1 s r,~ , while Beothi~ Fisheries is i)l F1. r·:;L · Cli:~s!; ii!;h pr·oc,,~!;s · ing conq:JiHIY, Hl<'!l"e ·.Ls noth:l.ng t·.o !;c.ty i:h;.d-. r i,l)l:' Yf:!rH") doiMI'l Lhn r·oar:l' or· t ~HI y ~~ i'.t I" s , or· 1·r1d y be E:'V E:Ht tt~Jo y c~~ C( r s 0 r' 0 tl I·~ y (! r:•\ r· , (: h d t pl <:·' 1'1 -1': C 0 I 11. d dlr).ngc,~ OtAJnc;!rshoip.

I hope it does no 1: , b u i: i. 1: co 1 J l. d r: h <Ul g f:! Ol41rHH'SIT.ip. Then, IAJhcl'l:. l.liOUld be 1-:hr~ s 'i. tu;;\f: i.on i. n Mllsgr·<:·,VE' Har·bour? As :it 'is notAJ, 13eothic F -i. s h e r· -i. e s l s ld x p a n d "i. n g ·i l: ~; horizons; they have a very Ll/.l-63 . r"'r.iy 3, l9H8 lJol. XI. subst.rlnt i.Rl plant i.n Tw"i.l.l i . ngc:~t.E:~; they have a smaller plant tn Br• i.dg~~por•t. Of COlH'SEl, l::hE:1Y haVE! the major facility, the parent: p 1 R n t: I T !;tl r p () s ~ =! ' Uw fl. c\ g s h i. p 0 f their company in Valleyfield. So, Mr .

Speaker, I do not blame UH:! pe:~opl.f:! of MtJsgr·r.w(~ Hc:H·boiH', and the f:isherrnen, for tAianting to r·r,~tdi. n OIAJnor·shi .p. T·l·. i. s cerl'.: <~' 'i. nl.y som~~thing l:hi:it they have a l"oi ~1ht 1·o do; Hwy IAJor· knd ~hH'r.i Pnough for· J-t: . J bel'.iE!VE~ tha ·t. thc~l: is p r· o b d b 1 y ·I· h P s 1 1 r· n ~; ·1 : guarantee:ing that the c: on t ·i. n 1.1 c=~ 1'. o o p r,, r• "' 1··. f'! bE! m~ f j t.: That i s tAl h y ,~,,;, ! ; !:JII:i.ll . 'i.n t· he F'Lr·sl : help the people of llrH'bOllt' TL I~JC:~S !:llli.l.1: t:hEd.r bem~f:i t and that: i .!; sho11ld rt1rn(:·1in .

IAJi:'' y plant : f Ol" oF w:i 11 i:h(;!-i.r the plant pl.dr:e, to MusgraVE! thor'(->. Fol" is the:' Wc\Y I support the petition, Mr. Spe<:<~kE'!l", dnd I ~~Jortlcl d~>k l:: hE! mtnister to gtve VE!ry ser':i.ous consideration r.o thi.s petition. As I satd before, of cour'SE!, Fogo d 'i. s t r· i. c t and Mus g r· d v ~~ Hr.' r b our· has an excellent member who is fi.ght·.'i.ng for UH:d .r· IAJE~lf;:~r·c,~. !10MF HON. MEMBERS : HE:~ar, hear! MR . W.

CARTER : H ,,, .:1 n d r. h r.~ lJ r:! o F l: t' n t i'tl I< ~'! d i'\ b o u -1:: t he fish plant in Musgrave Harbour ,;, n c:l lA) h r~l 1". ,,, b l. e s !) ·i. 1'1 9 i. ·l: h i.~ s b (;! 0 n I . 0 t:he peopJ e ther'E:'. I am sur·E~ thai. · h ,. ~ r~J rl n t· ! ; L o 1 rli"' !< ~~ s r 1 r· <'! L h H t i. !- continues t o be a ble s sing, and H1d I· i !; IAJhy he i. !; -; n I·J"i.s place today p~esenting this petition. Ml". Sp<' !i~kE:~r, again, I suppor·t . t:ho p o ~~ :i. I: i. on . J: s e E:' not h-i. n q !AJ r· o n g with it .

I think the origina1 conc<~pt oF 1•h<:·'t pl.r:1nt: 1~rc:·'s that i.t:. be put there for the benefit of t:h(;! fi. shr,~r'lfl(;!n <'1nd th;,,t : ·is l:: hc,~ IAJay it should r·emai.n. I support thE! 1\Jo. 28 I~ 1.46 3

pE:1t j t.:i on. SOMF liON. MFMI1FRS: llfliH', h(:1iH' ! MR. SPE/1J<fR: The~ hon. l.he Min i.s l:t~r· of F i.sh(,H' i . 1~s . MR . RIDF.OIJT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. J aru very pJ easod to hi'..\Ve thE:1 o p p o r· t u n i. t y Hl'i. s a f 1: ~1 r n o o n , IAri. l-: h a delegation in the galleries from Musgrr.W(:1 Hr.tr'tJOIH', i:o S~'HH·lk to Uds petition signed by 600 residents of thc'lt cotmnun i.ty r·egard-Lng th(:1 proposed divestiture of the depr.~rtmental owned facility in Musgrave Harbour. Fj r·st of al J, let me say to the Hou s (:1, Mr·.

Spo;'l I< (:H', t:ha t, i'ls 1·: he gentJoman for Fogo knows, I did not'. offr~r· 1:hr,1 salr;! of Lhdl: pr.n·tj cu] i.'.ltn fac:i lJt.y to anybody. I b r,1 J. ·i rw 0.

Uw s d -, r:• of 1:1'1!:1 F .:-1 ci 1. i 1: y wet. s of fer· l'l d :L n 1 9 8 4· , c e r t a i n 1 y i'..\ yrhH' or· ~•o bofon~ I be•:.-uno rn :i 1 1 :i ~: h:H' of t h c,1 d (-'! p a r· t m E:Hl t , a n d a s T r·r~c<'l.ll. l·.hn cor·r'H!>pondencr~ l·.hi!t'l: t~ta~: exchanged at. thE:1 tjrrH:1, the only r·or.~son 1~1hy l:h0. sal.H t;tr.~ s nol: conr.urmuat.c-:1cl :i rt 1984 tAJas because 1:: h (H' P W~ S S 01110 cJ i f Fi C U 1. '1': lj IAI j (-. h ·I·Ji f:'! owner·dl'.i p of the lr..nd on which tht:1 p 1 ''~ n 1-. -i. s 1. o c c:\ 1: (~ d . I n fa c 1-. , l-: h C:!

Jetnd, as T recall, rAJas owned by 1-: h E:1 f (->, d fH' ~1 1. g 0 IH~ t' rllliEHl'l-. ,~tn d .i. 1·: IAIH S on] y wj th:i 11 the last fetAl months 1:-.hr:~t UH,1 l.and IAii'lS Forllti'il.l.y tr•c3nsferr'E:1d fr·om the:1 Government of CiHlRd ;:~ to t. he Go v E! r· ntno 11 t. of Newfoundland. Of course, once t h i'l t. IAii'l s Hli'l dE:! k n OIAII'l to UH~ p r· E~ s E:! n t. Jessee, the present lesseE! tJJanted t:o t.i'II<E:1 up thr:1 offer· l:.h;:~t hr.\d bE:!en extendE:1d t.o thai: company in 1984 to buy thr:1 ft.H:il.i . l-.y.

So t:hi'\i: i. s the background as to why we are d (,~ b ;:~ t: i. n g , or· t ;:1 1. k t n g '" b o 1 J 1: 1: hI'! SCI](->. of th(,~ fad J tty again today. T 1: IAii'l s no t·. off C'! r· r;! d by 1rtf~ or· by 1". h r~ L 1lJ.6ll~ Mc:ty 3, 198 8 Uol XI department recently, the offer· was rrti'ICI ~~ , 'i. n f '" c 1: , i. n 1 9 H IJ ..

Now, hi'..\ving se:d.d that, Mt". ~)Pf:'!··~krH', ·1 r~ L '"''' !>i:~Y c:lr~arly, ;:1s we] l, that. we etr·e not Jn thE-) !:lllsines!; of sel.l.·i.ny F'"i.sh pl<'1nt.s against the 1.1JishE:1s of communiti!i:1S, ~:~gc:~·i.n:>l: t·.hr;! , ... ,lsho:; of FJshf'!Y'lrten, or against the wishes of plant workers . 1 do not know of any case in the Province where we have d -j_ I) (~ S 1-.: E;! d 0 I I Y' S 0 J. V ('! S 0 f f -j_ S h p l. 1'\ n t S , in the three and a half years that I h~ue been Minister of Fisher i es, without the implied and explicit consent of the peoplt~ 'in l:hE! particu1ar community.

I can say wll~hout fc,~.:-1r of cont.r'i'ld i.ct:ion, and I will be meeting with the doJ.egr.~tion, i'll.ong w-i.th their member, after the normal pr·oc:ood ·i.ngs of l:oday's str:<tr•+·, r-~r·. Speaker, that if the people of Musgr'diJf:! Hcu·bour· do nol·: IAii.HJt: l::hE! f:i.sh plant so]d, UrEHl t.hE:! F-.i.sh p 1. <·1 n 1". I.LI i. ll. no 1·. b o so ·1 r:l . T h i;ll'l k you, Mr. Speaker . SOME HON. MFMBERS: l-IncH', hocH'! MR. GTI.BErn : r·h~ . Spe:1al<er . MR . SPEAJ<ER: T h n h o n . UH:! rn e HI b EH' f o i" B u r· g eo Bay d'Espoir. MR. GILBERT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I h ;,~ v P a f)(-?. l: i.

Li. o n f r· o HI 1. 4 5 p e o p 1 E! in the community of McCallum, i.n 1: h E:' d i. s t r· i. c t. o f B u r· 9 <'' o B a y d'Espoir. It is in the proper for'Ht: 'To the hon. 1-Jou~>e'! oF Assembly in parliament assembled, Hw poi:. i ·l:'i on o F UH~ 1.1 n d c-:H' s :i g rH~ d residents of the district of R u r· g e o 8 a y d ' E s p o "i. r· , i. n McCallum, humbly sheweth;

whereas 1:he McCr.~l.l.1trrt r·o•:·\d · i~> ·:i.n :;11ch (·1 No. 28 R 14-6 IJ.

deplor~blm condit i on; and where~s the community has not had enough funds to pr'OlJ i. dc~ proper· maintenance the road has d ('?. t c,~ r i . or a ted 1: o Ut c,~ p o i. n t t hat "i. t is virtually impossible to walk on; IAJher·eas residents of the community cannot even use a whee:~lbar·ro1~1 to br·"i.ng frE:~ · "i.gh~. fr·ow thE:~ gover·nment wharf and oil for +:he school 1nusl : be ~ Ci!lr·r ·· · i.c,~d ""i.n buckets; and

whereas we the under· s i.grtc :!d pel :. il:-. i.(.HlC:!t'S cr:·\1.1. 11pon t. h r:~ H o u s e o f A s s· E~ m b 1 y t o i n s tr· tJ ct: 1: he M i. n i. !; I: f'! r· o F r r· d n c; p o r• t ;71 l: i. o n (r"lr·. Doy l.t:

l) l:o i:~l l. oc:r:·1h~ cncHwy .Lnuued'."iately to r·(:~const.r·uct th:i .s r·oad l:o Lh0. l.r'H.JI ~ l i ncl"i.c di:P.d ··in I: he ~ I"Ppor ·t don e by hi s d epartm e n t J.n Ut (! l 9 8 /l. - B lj r i ~; c i-ll y 0. rH' ' r:·1 !; i. n duty bound YOUI" pE!t:j t:j Ol'li':H ' S I~Ji]], c~ lJ cn· p r· r'1 y . 1 M r· ' 3 p (~ r:-1 I< ( ~ r· ' i: h (· ~ I n.i. n i. s i: r;! r' I, ~ ; at~liH'E:', I am stH'E~ , of UtE:~ condiUon of UH'! McCa l.l.c.11n r·or:1d, I : H~ c diJ s <;!

Htr:-Ht y U.rne:~s dur:i ng the l::hrE~e years that 1 l'li:-1V<:1 bc~E!n t:hr=! lnetilbC:H' for· Bur·goo - Bay d 1 Espoir· I have pointc:!d out to the for·mer mtn.i. s tE!r ' c.Htd 1-:o l:: he current minister the condition that th i.s road :i.n th t s c01nmun i.t.y is in and what ne!eds to be done . Tht~ rrrlni.st .: er· i.s ai~Ji:olre of 1.~1hat needs to be done t.uith it., as I h H V ( ~ C i"d l. C:1 d 1.1 p 0 l'l h :i. HI lllr'Hl y t "i.

HH:1 S 1·.: 0 makc:1 the spec:ial arrange!ment .s that IAHH' <:~ a~ r (~ ~~ d l·: o i. n 1 9 81J. · J. 9 13 .S For the fund:ing of the:) tiAIO k:ilomet.er· fool ··. pmi:h -i.n McC;:~l.ll.itn befor·r~ ·ii·. c'?. rodc::!s :·into the::! sec~. Nc>t~l, :I f:i.nd :"i.t V(-11"Y d:ifftcu1t to llrtd('!r ' sl:r:-1nd , Mr·. ~)p t~ di<r' !Y', hoc~J i·\ gover· nmE~nt. can ju!;tify spEHld:ing $68,000 l".o pl.c'lCC.~ pr>tlJ I~ tnc~n'i: on i'1 r·oi:J.d leacl".i ng to i:t nd ni s ter 1 s private prop e rl·y Ml<. llAfRD : F or· I~ y - e j g h t . Do not add on . MR.

CJ L OERT : I_ 146 5 MHy 3, l98B !Jol X 1. i:t r·o~d thi'l t gOC:'S noiJ.Jher<,~, ()Jhen the people of McCallum ar'E! forced +.: o c a r· r· y t h e :i. r· s u p p l. l E:~ s . MR. SPEAKER : Orde!r, please! A point of order, thE! hon . th E! M"i. nist.er of Transportal".ion. MR. DOYJ.E: Mr· . Speaker, I wonder :if you couJ.d c l.

"' Y! i. f y F o r· rn C'! 1.1.1 he 1.: h r:• r·· o r· no t Ft mc"HTI~H:1r, in pr'E:~Sc-?.nt:.ing a pEd::it-:i.on, C: r:Hl r' or'ld i'r'Oifl dl"l Evening Telegram c:td J l.tlh ·i c h ·i_ s {AJht~l t t:rlE:! hon. gen ·U emrHl has bc,'(:!l'l do·:.i ng r ~ lH'! r· y ~;-i n c: c~ h o h ;~ !) s 1·. o o d o n h "i. ~; fee t: to p r· r:1 s e n -t t. he p C:' t :.i. t. J o n . Co·i.n r:-id0.nl ·.i'll-ly, T hi.-1ppn nod l:o hr.;tue a copy of that. -.:in my f:i]c,~, and I ;un r· r,~ i't r:l" i n g a 1 o n g t~d t h 1:: h E! h o n . gentleman what he i s sayJng he re.

I do not knot~J if' you can do "!:. hat, r"l r' ' s p 1:~ .~~ I< c,1 r· ' MR. GILBERT : Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : To t.hRt po i.nt of the me!rnber for d 1 Fs po .i.r. MR. GTLBERT : ordc->.r·, BurgE!O hon. Bay There is no point of ordE!r'. That "i.s l:he r·nprc,1sontr:1i ·: ion 1:-.hi:·lf-. l haVE! made to the minister time and time <-11;!Jd'i.n c:oncern ·ing l: h r,~ r· o ad :i. n McCallum. It is t: hereJ .J.t :i s fllibl ·ir: T'I~CIH ' ri.

J r:llfl Say -i, ng l'lOIAI, Jn relation t.o t:he pot'."ition that I r:Hil pr · c ~!; C!ni : · i ng fi"Oill th(~ p~ : !Op - 1 H oF McCaJ J ur11, that I arn go:J ng to l:: abJ.c,, in Ht ·i.!; llor . l!>r~ p·i.c l·.tii"OS oF l.h(=! r·or:·\d Jn McCallum before I fJnJsh. MR. SPEAKER : To Utr:-11: po ·inl· of· or'dr:!r', T. IAJou1d ask t.hE! hon. m~mtbc-:~ r to confinE ! hJ s T' PHI d t' I< ~ ; l: 1) 1: h 0 p I'! i: . i 1:: ··j 0 l'l ·I: h ,:;l t: h C:~ "i, S presenting. I arn not sugge s ting No. 21l R 146 S

t.hat. he has not bE:H?.n doing that, I r:\111 j II s t i:\ s !d n g h i HI I 0 c () n F ·j n (,~ h i ~; comrnent.s ·1-.o that:. The hon. I hE! ruewbc-:!1'' for· Bul~geo - R •:1 ~ d I F s p (); t' . MR. m:un:rn: M I" • ~3 p c i.'l. k ~;;. , t. o c o n t j n u e , M c C <:1 J J u m iS a COHIHIIIn'"i ~~ l:hr::t 1·. hr.\!) fot·i:~ ·!) i X fj ~;her·men. They contd buh1 3 Hrillion p011nds of Fi.sh l:o LhP. p r· o v j n c:i a 1 ~~ c o n om y Co1 v E:H' y y e en· , I.1Jh '"i_ C h -j S fl t' 0 C (:~ S S ('! d -j_ 1'1 1:'. hE! ·f "i_ S h p] ant :in Herrn:i tage.

I ftnd t.ha t i 1-. i.s ~~xtr ' IMTIE!l.y d i . ffi. cul.l~ for· Uw people of McCallum to understand hobJ COIIJ(:1 UH:~y cannot. gc,1l:. r.-1 r'oi:\d whE:HI government can spent $68,000 pr.tvlng i'\ road to a mJni.shH' 1 S Shangdla, or his summer· hornE!, or IAJhi'\h.WE1r you I.4Ji:1nt. . Th Ls ·i. s ver·~ sc,11~j ous to them. For thr.\L r~~;:"son t·:hny f~~r~l i·hal·: sornc~thing should be done to -Lrnpr·ovc,1 Hw cond:i.t-Lon of l:l'ld'l: I~Oc\d. All thc,1y have~ arE1 poH10lE:1s, SC'!IAJdgn p-i_pol> pr·otr·ud -ing ihr·c)llgh thE1 l~oad, and it is not f:i t to I~Ja l k 0 I) (,H' .

Mr· . ~)fl (,1 r:" k 0. r· I Hll~ pc"! ople of McCaJlurn f e E:1l thaL they Irk\!< c~ a b i. g enough c; on!· t' ·i_ btl I i .o n 1· o t.h~~ economy of ·Hd s Pl"ovj nee to be l·. r · c~d h:!d i'.o R·l: l,c,1d!; 1: i'\ Foo l:p~ I· h, ;~ foot.pcJ.th that you ar•e able to IJ,.Jalk 01'1 l:O 90 r'\t'OUI'ld l:hn C:OiillriUI'l.i. 1".y, l ~ O bring oil up to the school. Th~:! T11t.eg1"a't<-:!d Schoo1 Boal"d for· tho Connai. gr··e:~ Pen:i.ns11la publ:i.l;hnd a report and one of the things l:: hE!Y po"i.nl :. f'!d oui:., Mr.

Sp~'ak~) r•, was thi:~t the r·oad was so bcld in McCr::tl.l.u1n that: t.hc;!y could nol·: us~~ ;:·1 t.UI'IE:1elbar·row to bring oil to thE! s c h o o l , 1:1-H,~ y h a d t. o b r· i. n 9 o i. l I: o the school in buckets. NOIAJ, Mr'. Sp~H·\I<~H', UJ'i.s i.s SE!r' .. i.ous enough that the minister should be Hbl~= ! to l'i.sl· : ~:!n ;:~nd bP i.·\bl~~ to do someth:i ng t·:o irnpr·ove the suffer·:i.ng I. '111.6 6 ~~ay 3, 19HI3 that is being inflj ch1d upon those,~ poopll '! b~ ;:~ go'JC.;!rnlllnni- . 1-:hc\'l': does not care. ThE:1Y r·ecogniZE!d t.JH;! pr·obl C~HI l'.hr'f~lc1 ~c,1;:"t'S r:·\go.

ThC'! people of Mc:CaJ J un1 hclue paid thc:dr· l: ;~ X o !; r o r· ·1: h n 1. ;~1 s 1: L h t' r~ f'! y f~ i'\ r·· s , thc~y have conLr·ibutc-?.d th~:dr· 3 nri.ll ·ion po11nr:h oF F'i.!;h l:o l:'.hE! economy; they went outside Mc:Ci·11-I.I.IHI i.'ll'ld Cr:~11ght ·. thd ·l: f·i s h, brought it in, sold it to H CH'rrri. h :·l g c~ , I~Jh CH' ~~ d not ~H'! r· '1. 00 Newfoundlanders were employed for Four· 1nonths. So l:h~:!y hi~\vr,:! p w i.d their dE!bt.

It seems to rn~:! t .hat i:.ht s gouernrnent hd s forgoLLen everything about rural N~11.o~l'foundland, or any SE!nSE! of decency thE!Y had conCE!rning pE!OpJ.E! tn the 1nany communities l i ke McCallum, but in McCallum in

part l culNr. I would li I<E! for the minister, l~lhl,!l'l hE! r::Jol·.s lip 1".0 r.lddr·~:!SS l'..hi.S pE:1\::iti.on, to say that h~= ! is going to do S OIOC~(· : h ·i.ng . MR. SPEAl<FR : Or·dE:H', p] eas~1! ThE:1 hon . member· 1 s tJme hr.ls ~d~1psc,1d . MR. GJUIERT: l:n concl.l.l!;·i.on, Mr·. ~)per:·\kr'!r', I not-.i.ce thc1.t. thE!r'E:1 is $50,000 tn 1--hp b11dgc,1L ror· r:·1l.l local r·oc.·\d•; :in communities, like Mc:Ca11um. U n· o 1 1 g 1·1o 1 1 1: l. h o P r· o 'Fi n c C'! . ~1r' .

S pea k e r , that t s not g o o d E:Hl o u g h • and I ;:·1sk l':l·w Hli.n·i.si':Hr' t-.o 1nai<P i.~ special E:1ffor·t to E!nsur ' E! that thE:! r·o<'ld 1-:o McC<.·1ll1.1111 'i. s pdVE!d . I tAJould nouJ like to tab1E! th:i. s p<;! ti. t"i.on. MR. FUR):Y: Mr. SpeakE!r . MR. SPEAKER : The han . the member for St.. Barbe . MR. FUREY: 1\Jo . /.H R 11.~66

S p e a k e r· , I a rn g 1 r:H~ t: o be a b lE:~ Mr·. to Y' 'i. S e -i.n HI y pl. d C f:! i:l n d S II p p 0 t' t thE~ r:~bl.y the prayer of lhis petition so f>r'(~S(-;!ntecl by rny col.l.or~91H:~, han. the membE:~r for Burgee B<:IY d 1 F.spo"i.r. Mr·. SpE:1<::tl<er·, I.•.Jhat t.h i.s Housr,1 j 1.1st witnessed moments ago, as my F r· 'i. <;! n d f o r t. h E! d i. s t r· i. c t-. o f 1:: h r.;! Str·ait of Bel] E:1 Ish1 point:E!d out to ITIE:1, was d(~rnocr'<:tcy i.n act.i.on.

WE! sarAI thE:1 mE~mber· for· Fogo con1e i.nl:o 1-.:h-i.s Ass<,1mbl.y r:·1nd pr<~sPnl: a petition asking that the go 1; E:' r· n 111e n l: no l: s ~~ l.l I· h r~ r i !; h pl.;~ n t in Cl par·t of h:j s di std.ct.

What hdppr~nr'!d I~J•:·ls l·.ho Minisl·or· oF F :i :. h EH' j (~ s r· o s <-) j n his p J. i'..t c e f.lfh:!t'IAJr~t·r:ls, r"'t'. ~)pOi:lkl:!t', c'lrld .J rn11H~d:i i'J.te] y r'E:1cognized thE:1 IAJ'.i sdorn in lhr~ flt'.:-lYr'!t' Of i'l'ldl· pr~l il. i.on dl'ld r.r . iHt(JU ' ~ p]i'..ly :ing poJ :i. t :ics ot" b r:! 1. <::tl:) o 11 r· i n g I fH~ p o i n I· I h n ·.il'lllll<->.d'.iateJy iH:ced('!d to Lhc,1 r·c,1ques-t. so Rbly pt't'!senlr:od by 111y hon . col J E:1C-l9LW r.H1d fr:i .end fr·orn Fogo; he ·i.nsl:iHJI·.l.y sl'lOI•H:!d d<:1lrtOcr'c'ICY -in act: i o 1'1.

Now r..r.l1·1Ht r..r.Je just. saw was the ITIG!lllbE:1r For Bru·g<,~o Br.·1Y d 1 Espo i.r dse in his pJ.ace to preSE!nt, very capably, an honeit request from the P<.,ople of McCalJ.um. The road they hfiV<.;! down ther·e, Mr. Sp~~r.tkr,H' 1 j s not e v E:Hl a road . My c o 11 e a g u E! r·eferr(H:I l:o i.t: as a footp<.·1th. HE' was being k:ind, Mr· . Speaker, tt is i.'l s h e E~ p -· p ;:~ I' h . T h r.·1 t. i. s d ll 'i. t. :i. s . It cannot be any more than that fi"OHI \':ho p:i. c t llt'r,1s 1-.I·H·11:.

I Sdi~J~ ''Hld I hav<., no r·~:!ason to beJ'.'i<.;!VE:~ t:hat l:hOsf'! p"i.ci : IIY'C'!~) c:·1r•r:! 1'101~ Ct'c:!d'.i.blr,, i'.ll'ld honE:1st. Ru ·t- l~lhctt ho.ppEHI~~d r..r.Ji~~s tha-t. the Mi. rd. ~; l':r~ r· or l"t'<Hl s pen· L:tl. .ion :i.nullc.,d'.'idt.eJy I"OSE:• :in l'l'.ls plclC<:!, ctnd I l·.houghl'., IAJC)IAJ! IAJ(~ r:H'(,1 going ·l·.o ~; e ~~ d <:HIIO c I" i'* c y in i'* c t j on a g a :in , r·'i.ghl: rJOI•I 1 1~1e ;:u·r~ goinr::~ l:o ~;~,~~) hi1n n 1 :i. n 1 :i c t. he M i n j ~; t· E~ I" of F :i s h (,1 r· i.

E! s L 1.11.6 7 Mt.·1Y 3, 19138 lJo l X I. who showed that democracy is alive r:~nd wol.l. ·J.n l·:hH Pr'OlJ 'i. ncE:~ of Newfoundland, and that these flE!I:i.~ .. i.ons r:·lr'E! not: just pr·c~s<;!nL<;!d and tossed in some wastepaper bdsket: somewhere on lhe oighth floor or wherever else. I thought thE! minis tE!r IAJa s going t o s i':r:~ n d u p r.·Hl d i. rmn e d "i. ;:~ l:·. <~ 1. y r· o p o r t. to the member on a point of order, Look, hon. lriHI'IIl:HH' for· Bur·gEw - Bay d 1 Espo:ir, you arE! r·a:i.sing SOlliE:! t C'! r· r· i. F ·i r: p o i. n ·1". s .

I s ·i· i. 11. h ;:·\ v E'! 6 S per CE:1nt. of rny $40 rni11ion budget. 1. n f 1: for' r· o ,,, c:h . ::; 'i.l: d OIAJI'l 1 HI y son. Do noi: IAJ<H'Y'Y about. 'it. It. " i.~; go i.ng l:o br~ donP. l)c:!rnocr·r:'ICY ·i.n act:i on i . s alJve and wel1 cHid IAH'! b r~ l. i C:! lH~ "i. n F c:d. r· n 0 !; s a n d b a l. ,:-11'1 c ( ~ . SOME HON. MEMAERS: Hee~r, hei'..lr! .. _____ _ ~.£.l!J~ E y : 111.1 1: ' M r' ' ~:i pI~ c:~ lu,~ t' ' IAJh d 1'. d ·j cJ IAJP see? We saw Lhe mini s ter r· ~~ s p o n !; 'i b l. C!

F o r· 1'. h r~ h "i. g h r· o .:·1 d s .i n t.his Province, and thE! byr.•.Jays and l~ hr,1 lowr·o<·uJs, t:JC"d: up and just r·efE!r to a nE!IAJspaper artic}E! and sr:·lY t.hr.:tt rny hon. colleague could not even re!fE!r to it. What hE! dtd Wi'IS he stood -i.n his place and admit that he was fully and comprehensively awi'lre of the problem with this road in M c C a ll1 1 rn . R u I~ d .i. d h (,1 s r·l y T IAI i.ll do something about it? Did he say I will pi'lve i~?

D'id he say I honestly understand the gon11inr ,1noss ·in i·.hr,~ hon. rrrr'!rrtbnr· For· Burg<o10 Bc:ly d 1 Espoir" 1 S p]E!a on b r~ h ;:~ l 1::- 0 f +· h C! t~ I'! 1 11. r; p C! 0 p l f'! ? N o , hE:~ did not, Ml". SpE1cli<E:'Y'. HE:' ~~ot. up t<~nd lrJHdr,' a Fr· ·i.lJOl.OIIS and nonsemd .cal, infi:.lnti] e po:-i nt of or·der · Thi-11: ·is dll. i 1: I~Jds . f"lr·. ~ipr~''1krH', 'l:h1~ i-.r-11l:h of ti·H;! matter is that a lo t of these peopl.r~ 'i. n a lol: of corrnnurd'i'.:i< ,'S around this Prou:ince are hurting No. ?.8 I~ 1 4·6 '7

because of the state of the roads thRt they are Rsked to operate on; they are asked to perform commerce o n ; HH~ y iH' e i:'l s lu~ d t: o 1:)11 s !d. d s on. And my han. col J eague fr·om 8 u r g i;! 0 B a y d I F. s p 0 i. r' h r:•l ,, b t' 0 I I g h t for·th yet another one. Many fHWpl.i~, Mr·. ~)fH:lr'I!UH', dl'lc:l i.l : 1 !; no co·.i nc:'Ldenct~ thr.l.'l: many of the->.m ar·e,1 on Ul'i.!> s i d0., hrWI'! l:woughi: lllHIIfH·ous l"l::!quests befor·t~ Hd s 1n j 1'1 i. S 1: 0. Y' Ill j 1: h r' 8 S fl 0 C '1: f: 0 r'

I) c'\ d !) t h I" 0 U g h 0 U t t h E! j r• d :i S t In i C t S . :r helve a pEH'sonal case in fldr' 1-.1.~::11: 1: 1 s Hr.tr·bcHir'. The~ hon. tJH,l nH,! rllbel" for· the St.r·ajt of Belle IslE! hr.ts c<YISElS IAJh,,rf:! ho ci.·ln sho111 that Hl'.is is necessary, Mr·. Spe,lr.tl<e;!r. WhE:!n I h!~ar·d l.:h(~ hon. rll(>.mber saying that:. thE!Y actually hAd Lo I:. a I< (:1 buck l : d~ s of oi.l .i. n <:<~ wheelbarrow along this sheep-path, MR. GII .. BF.IH : You cannot e.;!VE!n USE! a IAJheelbarr·ow. MR. FlJRf.Y: You cannot. even USE! a IAJI'H'! o l brH'rOIAI. H o l: C'! ll s HH:1 no1~1, Mr· .

Spe->.aker·, -t. h~:1y cou1d no-t evc,1n use a IAihE!f~l,b,H't'Oill !:he r'OiYid i :; !)0 b.:~d, se1,1er p:ipes ar·e jutting up C!! IJr~r yt~!hr~ r'Cc1. NotA! J j II s r: i.ln•YI<:J i rll~! You Cf.HII'IOt even USC->. a IAJhe~~]I:JarTOIAI. MR. SPFAKFR: Or·dr:!r', plc'1r:·1Sc~! Mf~. FIJ~FY: Mr. ~~peak~~~", rlli:~y I conclude? MR. TULI<: ------ SQr'IE: HON. MFMBEI~S: By lE:H:tV e! MR. FUREY : So local i:H'(.;! r.\S l<<:!d r e s i d e n t s , M r . S pea k e r· , t o c ;:~ r· r y b u c I< c,1 t. s o F o 'i. l L1468 May 3, 1988 Vol XL to the school because this Footpdl:h hF.l rwfor·s t·.o .. I cAll it. a sheep-path -