<!OL. l ~IRST SESSION OF THE THIR~-EIGHTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND UNEDITED HOOSE OF ASSEMBLY E'OR THE PERIOD: 3:00 P.M. - 6:00 P.M. THURSDAY, JULY 12, 1979 NO. 1

July 12, 1979 The Bouse met at 3:00 P.~. ~. Speaker in the Chai=. Tape No. l SERGEANT-AT-ARMS: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to inform you His Honour, the Lieutenant­ Governor has just arrived to open the First Session of the Thirty-Eighth General Assembly of Newfoundland. MR. SPEAKER (Simms) : Admit His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor. NM - l Mr. Speaker leaves the Chair. His Honour, the Lieutenant- Governor takes the Chair. ffON. A. Brian Peckford (Premier): May it please Your S:onour, t.~e House of Assembly, agreeable to Your Honour's Command, have proceeded to the choice of a Speaker, and have elected Mr.

Lan Simms, Member for the . Jistrict of Grand Falls, to that office, and by their direction I present hLm for the approbation of Your Honour. HIS HONOUR THE LIEUTENANT-GOVERNOR: On behalf of Her Majesty I assure you of my sense of your efficiency and I do most fully approve and confirm you as Speaker. MR.

SPEAA~R: Your Honour having approved of the choice of this House in constituting me as Speaker, it now becomes my duty in the name of the representatives of l!er Majesty's loyal subjects, the people of this Province, to claim respectfully of Your Honour their accustomed rights and pr~vileqes, especially that they shall have freedom from arrest during their attendance in Parliament and that I, as Speaker, may have full access to Your Honour's presence at all reasonable times and that they have confirmed to them all their ancient rights and privileges which have been confirmed to them by Your Honour's predecessors.

July 12, 1979 Tape No. l !liS HONOUR THE LIEUTENANT-GOVERNOR: . On behalf of Hex: Majesty ! do confirm this Bouse in tlle enjoyment of all its riqhts and pri vUeqes. NM - 2 fi.is Bonaur tnen delivered the Speech from tile Throne.

MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS DF THE HONOURABLE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY: I welcome you to this First Session of the 38th General Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland . Forty-five years ago. our people faced the greatest crisis in their history. the suspension of Domimon status. an economic and political crisis that cost them their hard-won democratic institutions and control over their soc1al and economic destiny .

Since then we have gone through a period of social and economic reconstruction and development which has seen a Commission of Government for 15 years. our entrance into Confederation and a 30 year Post-Confederation development period. Throughout this whole period, the determination of the Newfoundland people to control their social and economic destiny has not wavered. The debate has only been about the appropriate. means by which this great overriding objective is to be achieved.

While it is clear that our entry into Confederation cannot be questioned. there is a growing realization that the present structure of Confederation does not allow this Province to realize the full economic benefits of its own resources or to adequately promote the enhancement of our unique cultural heritage. My Government feels that we must go through a final . but necessary, stage of our process of reconstruction. Our people are. I am sure ready. yes. even anxious, to complete the task of securing to themselves !_he means by which they, as a people, can assure their future as a distinct society .

This ObJective can only be achieved it we. once again. have adequate control over our marine resources - fisheries and offshore oil and gas. If we are to move forward. there must be constitutional change and a new attitude in Ottawa towards the role that this Province. indeed every Province. is to play within our Confederation. Such changes might in other times have been the source of acrimony but fortunately for us the nature of the Canadian Federation is presently undergoing a basic re-examination.

That re-examination will . according to all commentators. result in constitutional changes, giving more power to the Provinces. My Government is heartened to see a Government in Ottawa which is generally sympathetic to our aspirations in this regard.

The people of thiS Prov1nce w111 be invited to actively engage in t1'11s great constitutional debate. My Government will be developing firm proposals as to how Canada's constitution should be cnanged and will place these proposals before the ott'ler nine Provinces and tt'le Government in Ottawa. My Government will be asking groups throughout the Province to comment on these proposals and to support the Government's position. All must understand the importance of tt'lese proposals to our future as a people. My Government's basic position Will be first. that the unity of the Nation must be preserved.

Having said that. My Government will further take a position that we must have a Canada wt'lerein each Province is given the means and powers to control. to an appropriate level, its social, economic and cultural destiny. Our new Canada, however, must continue to assist the growtt'l of less developed Provinces. but in such a way that aid from the Federal Government clearly has tt'le effect of lessening the need for such aid over time. My Government believes tt'lat, engaged as we are in this historic debate. it is appropriate that we now take stock of our posation within Confederation. MR.

SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF THE HONOURABLE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY: White there is much of which we can be proud as Canadians and while much has been done to bring economic and social justice to our people. we nevertheless have very serious economic problems. It is clear to My Government that the present self-defeating cycle of Federal make-work schemes and the current system of transfer payments by their very nature make our dependency on Ottawa a certainty. We must break this vic1ous cycle. To help in that process we should understand clearly the nature and roots of our basic problems.

Let us look back over the problems and defects of our society in 1934 which led to the loss of our political inc'r.;::::~~~nce, for the basic problems which our forefathers faced at that time still haunt this Province. In the first instance, Newfoundland political life was characterized by the Amulree Royal Commission as being u·nsavoury and at the root of our economic problems. The conduct of the Members of this Honourable House. in the eyes of that Commission, symbolized the malaise of our Nation as a wnole.

Whether or not this accusation was true. there is a direct link between the health of our political processes

and the health of our economy. Moreover, we know from our own more recent experience that our existing political system is far from perfect. Thus it is vital that we always be ready and willing to reform our political system. My Government believes that at present. political reform must have two features:

(1) A new Elections Act will beintroducedsothatthe Members of this House will henceforth be chosen more freely by the provision of the partial public funding of election expenses and by requiring full disclosure of the amount and source of election contributions: and

(2) To allow this House to work more effectively, changes in the Rules of the House and the introduction of a Committee system will be proposed. The second great problem facing our forefathers in 1934 was the lack of a sound economic base. The problems they faced at that time will sound familiar even to the young. Our economy was overly dependent upon one industry, the saltfish industry; outside commercial interests dominated every new resource development: resource revenues contributed little to our national revenue: and. secondary manufacturing was virtually non-existent.

These defects still ~xist in spite of all our attempts to correct them and in spite of great natural resource developments. Indeed. in addition to the fatal flaws of 1934, we now also have far too great a dependence on transfer payments, direct and indirect, from the Federal Government. My Government will seek to tackle the problem of building a sound economic base by reliance on seven bas•c strategies. All of these strategies will be aimed at the central objective of creating 40.000 new jobs over the next five years.

First, while private industry will be encouraged, particularly locally owned private industry, companies engaged in the exploitation of the Province's resources will be thoroughly supervised. Second, we will ensure by appropriate legislation that companies developing our resources pay to the Treasury of the Province a fair share of their profits in return for access to the Province's natural resources.

Third. we w1ll use our natural resources as levers to create other industrial benefits. Thus. for example. our hydro in Labrador, particularly on the Lower Churchill. will be used to create industry in this Province. not merely construction jobs with little long term benefit such as happened at Churchill Falls. Similarly, strenuous efforts will be made to maximize the impact on the Province of the expenditures which the oil compan1es will make in the offshore 011 and gas sector. In addition. the Province w111. by force of its regulations. have first call for industrial purposes on all oil and gas produced.

To accomplish this. our ownership of and control over our offshore oil and gas resources must be put beyond question. In the area of fisheries development. My Government will. in the forthcoming constitutional rev1ew process. seek the right to use access to our fisheries resources by commercial entitles (whether domestic or foreign) as a lever to maximize downstream benefits by way of further processing. and upstream benefits by way of the buildang and servicing of vessels and the manufactunng of fishing gear. Fourth.

My Government will pay special attention to the marine industries field with its mutually reinforcing fisheries. offshore oil and gas and shipbuilding. My Government will. in particular. build a strong marine research and development capability to ensure that marine rescurce developments have a better chance of creating related secondary manufactunng opportunities in the Province. Fifth, the Province will enter into all new arrangements related to resource and commercial matters in a careful and busanesslike manner.

A prime example of this new approach is My Government's careful negotiating stance with regard to the reopening of the Come By Chance oil refinery. Sixth. My Government will make strenuous efforts to renegotiate certain arrangements already 1n place. in particular the power contract at the Upper Churchill and the arrangements which presently ex1st at EACO.

Finally, a detailed Five-year Plan w1ll be presented to the Government of Canada before the end of the current calendar year. which will serve as the basis for a complete rationalization (for the medium term) of the financ1al relationships between the Government of Canada and the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador. OC6

My Government wishes to ensure that all financial assistance made available to us by the Government of Canada is used wisely and is not dissipated on costly shortterm projects which make little or no contribution to the solution of the longterm economic problems which face this Province. MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF THE HONOURABLE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY: The Five-year Plan will seek Federal co-operation. for example. with regard to:

(1) Fisheries development including the Pnmary Landing and Distribution Centre at Harbour Grace:

(2) Labrador resource development including the Lower Churchill Power development:

(3) A new forestry development plan:

(4) A new and expanded marine research and development program: and

(5) An improved technical training program. The first three elements of this Plan involve major projects whrch will significantly assist the long term development of three of our ma1or resource sectors. The fourth eiement. the marine research and development program, reflects My Government's firm belief that we must have a strong, local marine technology capability if we are to broaden the economic impact in this Province of the development of our manne resources.

The fifth element, an improved technical training program, reflects My Government's determination that as many as possrble of the new employment opportunities created oy the development of our resources will go to existing residents of the Province. Integral to the Five-year Plar1 are a number of l<ey proposals relating to transportation within the Province. reflecting the fact that the availability of a reliable transportation system will be the key to its overall success. The proposed transportation plan will centre around three very important projects:

(1) The continuance and expansion of the Labrador Resource Development Transportation Plan which will aim at the

creation of a year-round port in Labrador. together with a highway into Western Labrador by way of Churchill Falls.

(2) The re-negotiation of present financial arrangements relating to the upgrading of the Trans-canada Highway.

(3) The commitment by the Government of Canada to the continued operation of the railway and to its significant upgrading over time. My Government's Five-year Plan will emphasize the development of small and medium-sized business and will present an active and aggressive program of rural development. Over the last several years we have witnessed a dramatic revitalization of the economy of rural parts of our Province and the next few years will see an enrichment and consolidation of the progress achieved so far.

My Government will not overemphasize the big project in its philosophy of development nor will it offer financial support to large scale industrial enterprises which properly belong in the private, free mar1<et sector. For instance, the development of the Lower Churchill will be pursued as an integral part of an overall Labrador Development Plan so as to allow proper development of complementary resource-based industries.

Similarly, the basic objective of the Primary Landing and Distribution Port is to provide stable year-round employment in small and medium-sized fish plants that are now operating on a seasonal basis. By providing a continuous supply of fish from offshore landings. particularly during the winter months, the Primary Port will contribute toward the revitalization of the Newfoundland fishery and the industrial base of rural Newfoundland.

The establishment of a marine industrial park in the Primary Port will not only foster the creation of a secondary processing capability to produce final consumer products but will encourage ths growth of industries which are allied to the fishery. Thus My Government's Five-year Plan will promote a balanced mix of large scale and smaller projects which will serve as the basis of growth in all parts of the Province. My Government is confident that the Government of Canada will be sympathetic to this Five-year Plan and will place its financial resources behind the projects we will propose.

In the interim. the Province's economy will be stimulated by a number of measures which will be detailed in the budget which My Government will present to the House at an early date. However, the main thrust of My Government's program will be the creation of a permanent base for our economy. This will not be easy. Indeed, My Government will have to take decisions in relation to both its capital and current expenditure programs which will be far from popular. Given our fiscal situation and credit rating, unrestrained Government spending would be irresponsible. However.

My Government is confident that the strategies and Five-year Plan to which I have just alluded will. within five years, secure this Province's economic foundations and provide both employment and the tax base upon which our public services, present and planned, can be supported. The last basic problem faced by the Newfoundland people in 1934 was a grossly inadequate social welfare system. Historians will argue whether this was because our economy at that time was not sufficiently strong to support such a system. or whether the political will to put it in place was absent.

Whatever the cause, all that has now changed. We have a relatively strong sociaJ welfare system. Yet much remains to be done. The economic program set out above will give us the means to make the necessary improvements; the House can be assured that My Government has the concern and the political will. For instance in the area of special care, My Government will continue to provide those social programs which offer opportunities for both rehabilitation and gainful employment for those adults who are physically, mentally or socially disabled.

In this time of inflation and rising energy costs many of our elderly must be assisted financially as well as through home support services and through the provision ot appropriate health care facilities and programs. Efforts will be intensified to develop more services for the elderly at the community level as an alternative to institutional care. My Government is also committed to an expanding program of day care centres and will proceed with a major program in that area as soon as the finances of the Province permit.

In the area of social welfare, the Employment Opportunities Program for social assistance recipients will be continued to provide

employment for as many able-bodied family heads and single parents as possible. There are whole new areas of social concern unforeseen or deemed irrelevant forty-five years ago. which our society today demands be ad,dressed. My Government witt be moving forward in the present Session in two such areas. First. we must as a society and through this Honourable House recognize in a fundamental way the rote or women in our society and the need to remove all discriminatory restrictions and attitudes which would detract from their proper and equal status.

The way in which we approach the question of women's rights witt perhaps, more than anything else. indicate the degree to which we. as a people, are willing to recognize the changing nature of our society. Legislation respecting matrimonial property witt be amongst the measures to be placed before you in this area. The area of women 's rights is oAe of the most important areas of law reform that witt be undertaken by My Government- but it is not the only one. We are convinced that the law must adequately reflect the changing social, economic and cultural milieu of Newfoundland and Labrador .

We intend at an early date to appoint the Newfoundland Law Reform Commission in order to provide a continuing mechanism for recommending to Government needed reforms in the law. The second new vital area relates to the need to intensify our efforts to protect our natural environment from pollution. Our approach to the need to protect the environment must reflect our ability to destroy that which we value so much tor recreational purposes and upon which our commercial fisheries depend. It must also show the level of our determination to prevent such disasters .

The House witt be asked to pass an Environmental Assessment Act so that the impac: of all publicly funded or authorized projects can be properly assessed and either approved. modified or cancelled. MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF THE HONOURABLE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY: My Government will be placing before this House other legislative measures which witt be progressive and forward- lOOking in nature but will nevertheless be characterized by an attention to the preservation of G·.io

our heritage and culture. The mood of this House should reflect the energy and spirit of our people. Our people's readiness to embark upon this next and perhaps greatest stage of development has already been foretold by our artists whose telling pride in our past has helped preserve our heritage. By artists I include the artist in all of us: the wistful singer of an old song, the tetter of an old tate and the dreamer of old dreams. However. the professional and serious amateur in our arts community must now be encouraged more than ever to chronicle our past. analyze our present and portend our future.

It is vital that they be assisted so that the energies of our arts community, young and old alike, can help propel our society as a whole towards our mutual goal of an economically sound and socially just society. In recognition of this critical role, My Government will be introducing in the present Session a Bill to incorporate the Newfoundland and Labrador Arts Council. The mandate of the Arts c·ouncil will be to advise Government on arts policy and to take a direct role in funding the arts community throughout the Province in areas such as traditional music, dance, painting, writing, drama and folk arts.

Private .contributions to the arts will be· encouraged through an Arts Fund to which the Province will make an initial contribution. You will be asked to grant supply to Her Majesty. MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF THE HONOURABLE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY: My Gov~rnment believes that our people are determined to march forward in a dynamic and confident manner and that they sense, perhaps for the first time, they can truly gain control of their social and economic destiny.

Moreover , the general framework of Confederation is being appropriately modified to give us as a Province the rights and powers by which this great and historic dream can be realized. The great question posed today is whether we in thrs Province are ready to move away from a paternalistic centralized federalism. Are we ready to trust more in our own abilities as a society than in Feder-!li transfer payments? We are further challenged by the need to ensure that such a decentralization be accomplished without impairing national unity or affecting the level of social services in a so-called "nave-not" Province.

Can we, in a great historic act of self-reliance, break the vicious cycle in which we now find ourselves? Can we build an economically and culturally vibrant society in which. while f)rivate initiative is the keystone. social justice remains an even higher goal?

Thus. by the lot of history. it falls to the particular Members 'Of this 1-'!onourable House to answer thate very basic questions. the answers to which will shape our society for the foreseeabte future. Seldom has such an awesome responsibility fallen on the MemberS of this House. It is. I am sure. the prayer of all our people, that Divine Providence will guide you in all your detiberations • . ,.. - :J.2

July 12. 1979 Tape · 4 PK - 1 • :-!R. SPEAKER (Sil1MS): The non. ~~e Presidene of ~,e council . MR. W. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, I give notice of the following bill, "An Act To Reform The Law Respecting The Property Of Married Persons", and I now ask that this bill be read a first time. Motion, the non. the President of the council to introduce a bill, "An Act To Reform The t.aw Respecing The Property Of Married Person", carried. On motion, bill read a first time ordered read a second time on tomorrow. MR.

SPEAKER: His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor has been pleased to make a speech to the members met in General Assembly and for greater accuracy I have obtained a copy of the speech. The hon. member for Menihek. SOME BON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. P. '..n\LSH: Mr. Speaker, it is but a scant five hours since I, a.:.d the ctr-.er members of this Rouse, was sworn in . formally and qualified to stand in this my place. I ~ deeply conscience of the honour that is mine today to move that a committee of .;his hon. Rouse be appointed to draft an Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne.

Before making that motion I would with the indulgence of the House reflect upon the broad implications of this speech for the Province of Newfoundland during the years ahead. I am sure, Mr. Speaker, that the hon. members of both sides of the House will agree that this Throne Speech will be an historic expression of this government's insight into the future, a future we must pursue with all determination, loyalty, and pride as Newfoundlanders that Olll! ancestors applied to the process of achieving our independence back in the mid-Nineteenth Century.

It is refreshing indeed to hear that it is the gov~nment's intention to re-~xamine the role of COnfederation, and indeed the functioning of confederation itsel£ 1 insofar as that applies to the future of the country as a whole . The speech dwells on a broad range f_;13

July 12, 1979 . rape 4 PK - 2 Mr. ?. Walsh: of subjects, but bears particularly on the matters relating to our resources. I am,of course, as a representative of the aouse in the district of Menihek ana a long-time resident of Labrador especially conscious of this emphasis. My reaction,upon hearing the speech was a recollection of many scores of speeches made by the Premier over the past seven years, is the deep-rooted concern of the Province with the d~velopment of the resources of ~~1s Province, both on the !sland and in Labrador, as reflected in the Throne Speech.

That makes today's speech somewhat a chronicle that is well-known and a realistic attitude towards the development of this Province. I would indeed be a very poor representative of any district of Labrador were I not deeply moved and filled with optimi~~ in the face of such -tremendous faith in the potential of our resources. On the part of the Leader of the Government I thank him for this and · assure him of my complete co~peration in each and every effort on his part to develop these resources for the benefit of our Province, in the first instance,and 0ur country in the final analysis. Mr.

Speaker, for many years I,as a resident of Labrador, have been conscious of the need to re-examine our future within Confederation. 014

July 12,1979 Tape N'o. 5 AH-1 l'!!t • WALSH: l·lany times it has occured to me t.hat !fewfounc:lland 's role as a province of Canada is not being played out a~rdinq to the intent of those !fewfounc:llanders who· wor.ked so hard in brinain.,r so into the Canadian family. It is important to lUI as a Province, and every other province , that our rights within the Canadi<Ui c:onstitution,such as it is1 be not eroded by too great a concentration of authority in Ottawa.

We DNSt be careful not to take fro111 ~ewfounc:lland the protection of the federal system. we must never loose sight of the fact that among oar other partners in Confederation , and larqe and powerful provinces such as ontario and Quebec with all their millions of people, on one hand, and little E'E:I and Nevfoutldland,on the ot.b.er,with little or no real power in Ottawa by comparison - before leavinq this point let me remind hon. members that we have seven members only in Ottawa against seventy-five for Quebec and ninety-five for ontario- not withstandinq this I have enouc;h confidence in my fellow Canadians not to be afraid that the treatment accorded Newfoundland as a Province of Canada will be a function of of Canada. realistic strengtb in the parliaJDent Mr.

Spea.ker, the , speech has specifically suqqested that we Newfoundlanders, to insure ourselves the means by which we as a people can assure our future of a distinct society 1 must once again have adequate control over our marine resources, fisheries, offshore oil and qu. Mr. Speaker, with respect I wuld add that we lllll8t also have full control over our hydro power and our lllineral developlllellt.

And in the cue of the hydro potential of this :>rovince we have what the •·-orld en,•ies most, a non-Qaplating resource, a resource that will be there Eorever, a resource that will produce Newfoundland dlany millions of doll'lrS, hillions of dollars, in the years ahead, a resource by wnic:h Labrador and the Island both will benefit to ttle extent undreamed cf ;gy many of the Kewfoundlandars now living. 01.5

July 12, 1979 Tape No. 5 AH-2 MR. '"'1U.SH: Does this sound f.miliar? It should. It i.s the theme song of the Premier of this Province; it has been his m~ preoccupa~on since he first entered qovernaent. Ouring recent weeks he has made it the cornerstone of his whole adlllinist:ative thrust and all for the benefit of N-foundland. Closely coupled with this tremendous resource,in terms of the l~q­ ranqe future of Newfoundland, is the mininq industry.

In discussions with various senio: · people ill the lllininq industr/ 1 I have learned that they are not without their confidence· and solid belief that Newfoundland one day will produce its own billets of steel, copper, inqots and so on. And why not? We have the lll&terlals, we have the power , and - have the Newfoundlanders to do the jcb; last, but perhaps most important of all, we have the markets. The qreat world oat there eaqerly ~aits that in abundance. whicb we have Mr. Speaker and hon.

IIIUiben of ·the Rouse 1 all oi these concepts and projections just a few years aqo were' mere dreams but t:May they are reali-ty or near reality. Only three weeks aqo the people of Newfoundlan~ and Labrador indicated ?ery clearly their belief that the present - Pn.w.r ~ this frovince was the DliUl to malce all of this hap-pen. SCM!: !iON. !!EMBE"RS: Rear, hear! MR. liAI.Sth Already we see the sha-pe of his blueprint. To him and to his government the future is the all- important thinq.

Conscious of the many lessons laarned from the past, the present goveJ:mDent is not likely to waste its tillle dwelling on history while the job of dealinq with the present and planning the future renains to be done. That, M:. Speaker, is the messaqe of the Peclt!ord administration. All of thi.s is possible, the control of our resources and the development of those God-qiven resources for the benefit of all. N-foandlanders. GiG

.;u.ly l2, l.979 '!'ape N'o. 5 ~. WALSH: ~.s a !lewfoundl .and conscious ot the dl!pendence of th.i.s Prcninee on traDSfer paywrent!l and other Ottawa job c:reatillq projects ,I am lllQ:I:.'e pleased, than I can express at ~ SU91Jest1cm t:hat our qoveZ111118Dt i~ to make eve:r; effort to reaeq~ate the Churebill Falls contract. Obviously the rectific:at;Lan of this injustice woW.d JUke us int;!ependent of tranafu ~ and OttaWa b..adoats. Mr.

Speeker, IIIOSt hoc. l!IPiban 1olill recall ~inCJ read Sp..iache!l fxom the Throne in which the inteDtions of the variou adainistrations of this Prov:Ulce have been set out in bft»ad out.Li.lle. The :Speech ~i ven today <RS not a loftCJ one. It aid, 11..e~rthel .. s, tell us in c:leu aad dist.Ulct teDUJ that the qoVft21mmlt P=POSed to concaAtra" qpon the danloplllet of OQr resourCeS. 'rhe proposed duelopment of H.u:t:lov Grace wi.ll obviously be the meaDII of providinq Newfoundland with technoloqy and facilities 017

Suly 12, 1979 'l'ape 0 EC - l MR. WALSH: for the prosecution of our fisheries along scientific lines for t.."l.e benefit of a greater nlllllber of Newfoundlanders. Keeping in ;ninci l:hat our fislling ind.ustxy muat ::wt regarded illl a renewable resolU'ce ,we can confidently look tc t:he future with an expectation tlla.t the . fisl:l will always be there and. N-foundlandars will continue to enjoy t:he benafi t of this rasource.

Our c;ovarmaent' s enliqhtened app~acil :.a the harvastinc; of our sea, l:h.e developa.nt of our mining resources, the llaznessing of our energy to ba found in our various rivers has bean presented to us ill. clear-cut tarms tilis afternoon. Tll.is Speech. did nat deal with the d.raama of indust:r.ies that will alm;)st surely nave to be subsidized ay c;overnmant, whic:h.,in any case, ue not naturill outgrcwths of the p~per usa of our resources. Industry which. depends upon our own resources muat surely be the answer to our lone; te%lll prcsperity. Mr. Speaker, hen. members, in recent t.imas.

Newfoundlanders nave heard. much of envircnmantal prctecc.ion and. safety for the "'orkers. ! am pleased tel hear that it is the govaZDDmnt's intention to leave no stone unturned in their efforts tel p~tect our anvircmaent and. tb.a working people. ! do suggest, however, that t:.'la most effective davelopa.nt of industry in this P~vince can only be acc:ompllsil.ad t.'lrouqh the joil\t efforts of the workers, industxy and the government. A productive worker is a healthy, happy worker. fie is the back.bone of productive and prospe~us industry.

As a Newfoundlander living in ~radar for the past twenty years, ! am fully conscious of t:he tremendous pan played in tlle davelopiiiiUlt of our economy by t:ha mining companies operating in the ~rth. I am as ""'ll fUlly aware that whilst Newfoundland, 9articUlarly r.abrador is rich in resources, we cannot develop these without outside capital. For that reason we must malca every effort to attra~ outside entrepreneurs and businessman. In return for their investment and confidence,we give them opportunity to make a fair profit. fiowever, Mr. Speaker, non.

Mrilers ..,ill fully understand ..,hat I mean, being as I am, the member of this House for the district of Men.ihek, that the interest C.18

_ ... .iuly 12, l9B :'ape 6 EC - 2 ~ut. W.U..SH: of Newfoundland workers is sadly i.a need of protection in our grea~ ~rthern a.rritory, While we welco- every cent of ouuide capit-al and assure tA& business collllllunit:t that our gcveznment is a free enterprise government and not a socialist qovernauu:, we must insist t.hat V'e%Y few jo.bs are now generatali th.rouqn tile development of our resources - so-thing llll)re than lip service must be ;iven to the amploy-nt of Newfoundlanliers.

There is a very real danger that in ::his Province our own iJeopla wil.l be displaced if our governmen~ and our resource industries do :10~ keep in the forefront of their minds the fact th.a~ t.'le resources bain; exploi ~ are ours , they belonq to the people of this Province. I am suqqestinq very seriously, Mr.

Speaker, that even those IIUUl&qemsnt jobs wllic:b. now so often go to outsiders - in SOIIIB casas not even c:anadiallS - could beyond the sllaaow of a doubt be properly anli efficiently perfo:mad by Newfoundlandars. 'l'oo lonq •.re h.ava been told that ...,. are lacking in e~:rtise and traininq. 'this is the timllworn excuse given when no a:ffon h.as been m.alie to train Newfoundlanders or to ancouraqe tham to aspire to the responsible positions. 'Ihe N-foundla.ad woaer must know that, givan a decent effon on h.is pan, the proUDtion will be h.is. Ml:.

Speaker, e<~ery h.on. 11111111ber of th.is ~ouse will aqree that many Newfoundlanders have left this Province and pro-d conc:lusivaly that they are capable of success in performing t.'l.e liii)Bt di£fic:ult alld ciulandinq joDs alld are d.sing to the nighest positions in whatavar Uelds they choose to enter. Why c:annct these same people be the cap~ of our industry in our own Provinc:a? In closing, Mr.

Spe.Jtar, I note that His Konour l1as expressed the qo-rnmant • s intention to introduce an Election Expanse Act. 'Ibis statement tells all Newfoundlanders that we ilava a E'nmier and a governmant with the intestinal fortitude to call a spade a spade. ay this leqislation we will insure that the party system will be assured of workinq as it was inanlied and no one party will nave the a.dvant.aqe over another. All of this , Ml:. Speaker, will undo®tadly lead. to many of our mere a..bla citizens seekinq p®lic office and the raising of t.'l.e level of debate in this House. ~19

... .;w.y 1.2.. 1979 Tape o ::c - l ~R. WALSH; I l.co.k to the hon. the Leader of tile Opposition, a man of extensiw puliameill:a%Y QPeri.enee, to c:c~-operatr fully iJI. main~ daco~ in the Lec;isl~~· on a l..eve.l. to atakA all Newfo\Ul~ prolld. Hopefully we 11.ava sec the last ol! the lass tllan edi:y:inq taeti!=ll obaan8f! in the ban. House in recellt years. I would like to thi.Ak we .u:e all llera to daa.L with the bwsim~SS of the Province anli not the llli.suse of this I.ec;ialatun as a. !o.z:a for questicmJIIl)le pupases. Al.so in c:losinc; ~ Mr.

Spealter, I talte alivaataqa of t:lli.s opportuDity to expnss 'Ill!/ conqratula.tioas upoll tlle quality of the qraci.ous Speedl deliV8re4 by His liollOili: today. I CDD9%&~ta the Premier and llia administration for the =-i=ent COI\tained in that Speech to the Province of NewfOwdl and. He l1&s la~mc:Qed a. prQ9r.- that will fill the he.uts of all Newfoundl anden with optimisll! Olld bape. pleasure t:b.at I GZO

:;.., - .l now wove t."lae a CoiiiiiU.Ctee of tnis l:icllSe l:le app=ntad co drait an ~us in reply co the mgse gracious S~eech f.rom tha Th.rone. SUHE iiON. i-!Ei•IBERS : (1&. Sl?:::.AKER: (Simms) SOl-IE iiON. :·lEMEI:C:RS: :·JR. ~- COU.INS : Hear, hear. iion. m&WDe.r for Port cia Grave. nf!4.1:', :near. Mr • .:>peilMr, ic is a greac l:lonou.r an~ ~rivilege for Q8 co sacona ene moeion so ably presentea oy my colliiaque 1 the hon. r::JeJII.Oer for tne district of (ienl.Aek (i1r. P. flalail) • Mr • .:>peuar, I nave listened. to ~ grac:J.Ous :;peecn f.rom tnEI Th.rone ""'ieil grea._ ineerest and aneicipation.

It is wieh a sense of profoUill.'i personal sa.·eisfaceion cnae. I express my full, aruiauneec1 confidence in our ?rovince ana J.n our Gove:rnmene witi.= ila.s today red.eciicated itself co cnarterinq the important course th.at will lea<i our great Province into tile l9SO • s. I was pareicW.arl.y please~, dr. 'sp~, to note our Government • s continuing eaq;:ha.&is on tile revitalizaticm and development of our marine resources. dver recoqni.zing tne illlpor~e of p:roeect.inq our ciistinc._ c-.Ucural and. social neri~a with reasoned allli balanced Rural Deve.lopmene initiatives. ~lr.

Spe.alte:r, I welcome these inieiaUves and I welcome cne proposed social reforms particuJ..lrly relaeing to t:he enlightment anti review of tile rights of women. Tlti.s is an area wllere we lllUSC anc1 will give pa.rUcW.ar aeeeneicn. Mr. Speaker, I can continue co :respond to nume~us other welcomed developments identified today in the Thron&·~peecil; however, I would l~e to a~ress a few brief remarks on the historic disuict of l?o:rt da Grave which I am so very proud to represent in this hen. l:!ol.l.Se.

Beir4 a newcomer to political life 1 I confess tnat one of the main reasons for becoming involved is t:'le tremendous admiration I (lAVe in the abllity and integrity GZ:l.

Tape "a· 7 ~IR. R. COl.LI!:S : of ow: new Premier and. uis ::r..1e .love, fair.b. dnd ciedicab.on to NewfouncUanci a.nQ its .,eople. !;;OM& HON. MEHBERS : :-tR. il.. COLLINS : :teu, he~. 1-lr. Speaka.r, too often we sit back expec~g the Provincial GOvernment ~ keep concinuously banding out funcis ~ develop ou.r colllllluni t:t with vary little of our own financial ~acJcinq, co-operation anci moral :aupport. To a pain~:, we have been guilty of e.nis complaisance in t.."l.e ?ort cia Grave dis~:rict.

I have lived in the disc:ict fer ten ye~s and have worlte~ very nard ~ succee<1 in ausiness. ! feel very strongly that if the people of our great district were willing eo participate, wen tcqather and. support l:ile.ir eo~~~~~unity coU!ll;il; instead. of remaining complaisant anci neqative,wh.ich has so often been the case,the district cou.ld. prosper again if people realiz.c tha.ir own financial anci moral obligation. •"ir. Speaker, I aelieva that !:he district of Port de Grava,qiven the affective mana~emea.t of its resou.rces - ma;UU.y fish.inq, fanci.a.g anci sma.l.l. industries - can prove a good.

SOWlci base for a gainful. ea.ploYIIIen~: of its people. ! ampnasis, hcwever, t:.'lat ou.r people are go:Uiq to have to real.i.ze anci accept the.ir responsibilities to t:hemselv~s and their ch.ilw:en and :nake every eff_ort to ciamon&trate tila~: we ~e indeed a hard working pecp.Le with pride in ourselves anci our commWli~:y. It is absolu~:ely essential, if oar towns are to develop, tila t an adequate financial tax b.ue ae developed.

People in ou.r communities expect and deserve the same facilities as those in larger ~wns 1 sucn as ;,>ave<i roads, ·•oater 3.lUi sewer systems, sidewalks, parks, pla.yqrouncis, g~l:.a.qe colle~n and street lighting. !t :Ui simply net reason.&Dly of 1118 a.s a. newly e-lected mamber Z:c.r the <:U.strict of l?ort de Grave to oxpect t:ne Provincial Government, wnc represent all the people of Newfound.lana and Labrador, to provide these services. until we are willing to envoic.e a ::~ore realistic system of taJCation for our mWlicipali::ies, G22

July 12, 197'? ::IW - l ~R. R. COLLINS: these ;ervices will be fore~er beyond our reach. Mr.·spaaker, one of the major concerns I have for the district of Port: de Grave is the lack of recreationa.l facilities. I ho~e to see,and will work tovard 1 the establishment of a provincia.! park for our area and a stac1i1JIII facility. This districttlike no other, is so steeped in hockey tradition that to deprive the people, puticularly our youth, of this badly needed and sought for facility would be denying them somethinq which they have looked forward to with great anticipation for many years.

One of the most pressing problems in the diatrict, Mr. Speaker, is the serious lack of water and sewer systeas in our ~ities. This I feel the people have every right to expect. Conditions now exist in most areas of my district where the water from wells in no longer satisfactory for human consumption. The build-up of i'1WIIan waste has saturated the qTOund to t.!1e extent that it is no longer feasible,for medical reasons, to dig a well. I feel, tr.erefore, l".r. Speaker, that we have the responsibility to provide these basic necessities before we provide monies for other unessential services.

The employment situation in the district can be greatly improved through our fishery development as outlined in the Throne Speech. The fishermen of Port de Grave are recognized a.s probably some of the hardest working peo~le that the NewfoundJ.and fishery has ever produced. The two crab processing plants in my district now employ in ezc:esa of 900 people 1 due mainly to the hard work and initiative of the management of these plants.

I am quite confident that with the government's expertise and financial assistance,coupled with a continuing cotnlllit:tment to rural development 1that this industry will further ciiversify and prosper in the years to come. Our diVf!rsification into production and processinq of other species of fis i~-mainly caplin, herrina, mackrel and squid-will, Mr. Speaker , have a considerable economic imcact on our

.July 12. 1979 Tape No. 8 DW - 2 ~. R. COLLINS: Province,particularly in the im~rtant area of job creation. Mr. Speaker , I have been a~roached by various businessman in the district re~dinq the possibility of davelapinq the hal:tlOur at Say RObarts for the servicing of offshore oil riqs and also for providing customs facilities for the off loading of goods from Great Sri tian and other European centers. This is now being done on a temporary basis with the assistance of a customs officer in Harbour Graca,I would look forward to the establishment of a full- time customs officer to be stationed in Say Robarts.

I truly <Jelieve, l'.r. Speaker, that the potential exists for the viable development of these facilities in this ~rt of say ROberts 1 thereby providing an invaluable boost for the economy of Bay Roberts and indeed the district as a whole. mtila I have dealt with the expectations and problems of Port de Grave district in perhaps too great a detail, Mr. Speaker, I hava done so recognizing the important task which lies ahead for me during the next number of years. I have with de:rpair watched this historic district continue in a state of decline economically and socially during the past ten yean.

Many of the towns in the gTeat district were once the business and cultural centers of this Province.! fully intend that this should become so once again. I intend to work with all the """':!"''~' 31\d drive that God has · provided me to reverse the retroqressi•.re procasa wltich this district seems to have accepted. My pride as a father and as a Newfoundlander would not allow me to accept anything less than this. I must impress ~n this !louse , Mr.

Speaker, that if our people are to receive the representation they both seek and deserve 1 our elected representatives must receive adequate monetary rew&J:d to permit full-time and effective representation . To ehal~en~e the problems that confront all members on a daily basis deJnands our full consideration and attention. With reasonable financial reward this goal can be acheived through our full-time representation. ·' •;;" · ... ~

J\lly 12, 1979 Tape ~o ~ 9 ~R. R. COLLINS: Mr. Speaker, the people of our Province nave good reason to feel optimistic abour our future. We nave come a long way since our fi:st humble beginnings and we nave both the resources and the will to take the next step forward with confidence into tbe 1980s• It is with a great sense of honour and pride that I second a motion so ably presented by my colleague from Menihek. Thank you. SOME !iON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! NM - 1 MR. SPEAKER (Simms): SOME HON. MEMBERS: !iON. 0. Jl\MIESON: The hen. Leader of the Opposition. He.u:, hear! Mr.

Speaker, may I say to you how delighted and honoured and pleased I am to be standing here in my place for the first time as the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition in the Newfoundland Legislature. OVer the years the people of Newfoundland nave sustained their confidence in me in a variety of roles which nave given me great honour and great satisfaction. Among other things 1 of course 1 tbey nave enabled me to travel more widely and ?Brhaps to see more of the world than is the good fortune of almost any of my fellow citizens.

It is against that perspective that I say in all humility and all sincerity ehat the old adage is certainly true, that there is no place like home1and I am delighted to be here and want to serve in every way that I possibly can the people of Newfoundland for as long as I am spared and have a decent contribution to make. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. JAMIESON: May I at the outset this afternoon, Mr. Speaker, express to yo~ =7 congratulations on the high office to which you were elected this morning.

I think. it has become something of a cliche to describe the Speakership as a difficult task 1 but I want to assure you that while I realize that that is the case ·we on this side of the House , and I am sure hen. members opposite, have every confidence that you will carry out those duties

July 1.2. 1979 Tape No. 9 o!R. JAMIESON: impart~ally and fairly and that you will indeed, as you stated earlier, make sure that the traditional and indeed almcst sacrad rights of tnembers are sust:ained on all occasions. What I have said of you of course I would extend also to the Deputy Speaker and wish him well in his new responsibility. I want to say a brief word of thanks and co~tion to the MOver and seconder of the Address in Reply.

I suppose over the years I and many other seasoned politicians have become familiar with the fact that on ceremonial. occasions such as this, movers and seconders are scarcely likely to deliver the kinds of speeches that reveal any flaws in the government. lie of course will have to, at the appropriate time, what I miqht describe as put a little better perspective on thinqs in that regard.

But nevertheless the two NM - 2 qen-cle1118D. in question, both being newcomers to the !louse , I believe carried out their duties extremely well in one particular way '"h.ich I think it is important that we emphasize and that is that they devoted a qood. deal of their comments to their own particular districts and to the needs of the areas from which they come.

I have found that it is a universal failing of politicians to assume, as in this Chamber, that the Province revolves around what happened here and we can become so obsessed with a particular piece of legislation that we tend to believe that every dinner conversation in every corner of Newfoundland is concentrated upon that particular act, or that particular law with which we are dealing. Eiappily,I suspect,for the well-being of our citizens such is far from l:Jeing the case, and in truth what is expected of most of us

Jul:; 1:2. l9i9 Tape lO PK - l Mr. Jamieson: is that we take care of that multiplicity of small needs and so on which are really the day-to-day concern of the constituents in the fifty-two communities that we represent here. I think it of il:mense importance that we understand that there are several dimensions to the job that we do here, and these t'WO members today certainly highlighted one of the most important 1 name1y 1 to ensure that 1 as with my own district of Bellevue, the people there have their ordinary, everyday, simple little concerns dealt with and broUght before ~~is Rouse.

It is,for instance 1one of the reasons why I am quite interested in some of the rule changes that we have been discussing in what I think is a quite co-operative way, because I do think that we must avail of this a:ouse as often as we possibly can 1 and in as systematic a way as we can in order to '?lace before the people's representatives that variety of concerns which can come from Labrador, from Port de Grave, from any of t~e districts represented on this side and indeed from my own district of Bellevue as well. "This afternoon also, Mr.

Speaker, I think I would be entirely remiss,despite the fact that this is a ceremonial occasion to some extent,if I did not offer to the hon. the Premier my very sincere aDd very genuine congratulations and to his colleaques on their having won the general election. It was, I think it is fair to say, a hard fought fight, but it is also I believe satisfying to say that it was by and large a fair fight.

If I can take any credit for ~~at, then it is a contribution that I am pleased to have made and I hope also that it will result in the kind of change in the political climate of this Province that has been referred to by a number of speakers,not only here this afternoon and by the Gracious Speech by His Honour, but also by commentators and the people in general. In this regard and in complimenting the Government let me say that they have obviously and unmistakably a clear-cut mandate.

July 12, 19i9 Tape 10 PK - 2 ~r. Jamieson: It is one that carries with it tremendous responsibility. !t is one ~hat indeed in some of its aspects is rather awesome to contemplate. ~ therefore the Government and the Premier have my assurance and that of this Caucus that while we will, of course, live up to what is after all our Cons~itutional duty and responsibility to behave as an Opposition, we will seek on every and all occasions possib~e to be a cons~ructive Opposition, to be an Opposition which deals in the very real and important problems which are facing Newfoundland today.

Let; me also assure the Government that where any matter is unquestionably of benefit and of value and can demonstratively improve the lot of Newfoundland and Newfoundlanders 1 then this Opposition party will be supportive. At the same time, however, when one is speaking as has been done today about the role of the Rouse of Assembly or the Rouse of Parliament,it is important also, I think, to understand , as sometimes is forgotten, that we are, of course, an Opposition. It is our duty to oppose.

Therefore in the days and the months and perhaps in the years ahead we will be asking hard questions, we will be pu~tinq to the Government clear confrontation on basic and important issues, some of which are referred to in the Throne Speech 1 and we will be expecting from them a thorough and a full accounting to the people of Newfoundland for their actions. I repeat, Sir, that we can do no less given the responsibilities which are ours as the Official Opposition in this Rouse. But though I say that Opposition is important, I think it is even more important that we ask ourselves what kind of Opposition?

And therefore without going into great detail this afternoon let me reiterate that it will 1 I trust 1 be the kind that can come from what is a splendid Caucus. I am1in addition to being proud of being the Leader of the Opposition, I am equally pleased that I am supported by a combination of members of great experience as well as new faces with new ideas, and also that regionally we represent many parts of Newfoundland and have the capacity to reflec~ to this Mouse and to the people

July 12, 1979 Tape No. ll NM - 1 MR. JAl1IESON: the needs .,>artic:ularly; by the way, of many of the rural and more remote parts of this Province. So consequently therefore, Sir, this afternoon I merely wanted to indicate those particular points so t.hat we could 1 in this first day, establish the kind of willingness on our part to wo.dc toward the kind of better Newfoundland which is referred to 50 frequently in the Throne Speech.

As for the Speech itself 1 i do not intend, because it would be altogethu too great a burden upon our distinguished guests let alone upon our members, if I were to take all of the time that might be allotted to me on this occasion.

Also of course the juxtaposition of this particular debate to the presentation of the budget a week from now makes in a sense a double opportunity which I suspect we will discover '.iill see an overlapping of discussion on these two or t.hree-5ubjects. aut there are one or two other things I would like to say this afternoon, first of all with regard once again to the operations of the House, with regard to rule changes as mentioned in the House, may I thank the Premier for his courtesy,unfailing 50 far .over these weeks,to consult on issues in which the Opposition has a genuine interest.

And saying that I want to also recall to the House , I hope with some modesty but also I think will have a confinler of it in the Minister of Fisheries (Mr. w. Carter) in Newfoundland ,and may I say if it is not, Mr. Speaker, out of order, in the Minister of Fisheries of Canada (Hon. James McGrath) , whom I am delighted to welcome in this Chamber this afternoon - SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear ! MR. JAMIESON: - but I call upon them indirectly for confirmation of something of which I am immensely proud: Of all of the things that have been said about me over the years - and

•t July 12, l9i9 Tape N'o. ll NM - 2 >IR. JA.'IIESCN: they have been numerous, both good and bad- :::.ne of the things that I always felt flattered by were the references by members of all political p~es and all kinds of political persuasions, best typified by a recent comment by the Right Ron. John Oiefendb&ker himself, who referred to me as a child of tha Co1:11110ns 1 and 1 I repeat 1 that that is a !!lOst honourable accolade.

It means indeed that I have over the years made a very thorough study,first of all,of the British Parliamentary democratic system; secondly, that I have come to have a profound admiration for the ingenuity of those who put the system together in the first instance and who have modified it over the years. It is truly 1 as Winston Churchill said, I think it was, the worst possible form of government except for all of the others.

And I emphasize that because I want to advise the government that in principle, as I baliave the Rouse Leader has already said, or certainly will be saying, we are not OJ?POSed to the idea of modifications in the rules of procedure provided certain safeguards and built in. I make that point because in my experience -and there are many others who wi11 1 I am sure 1 have had at least equal if not better awareness of these facts- when one starts to tinker with that totality which is British Parliamentary democracy,we have to be extremely careful that indeed we dO. not throw the total system out of kilter.

There are always those dangers implicit . This does not mean of course that we in this party will oppose change simply for the sake of change. But, Mr. Speaker , while I suppose we could scarcely expect the government members to agree with that old adage .that there are no such things as good governments,there are only good Oppositions, nevertheless I think they might very well be prepared to agree that a good Opposition makes a good Government.

This is not a reflection upon i ndiv i duals or upon a particular party or anything of that sort, it is simply that by the very nature of things there is always the tendency on the part of government to want to expedite, to want to cut corners , to want indeed even more often tJO

Jul y 12 , 1979 Tape No. 11 NH - J :1R. JAMIESON: to dispense with the tiresome parliamentarf process if they can possibly do it. This is not said in

July 12, 1979, Tape 12, Page 1 -- apb MR. Jk.'1IESON: ranee~, it is not said as any kind of direct criticism of any individual, it is merely stating a fact of life that is, I suppose, centuries old. So our job,therefore, is not to accommodate the government. Our job is not,either, to accommodate ourselves, because frequently it is conceivable that we might look at rule changes and say of them that they are beneficial to us in the Opposition.

So 1 therefore, the real job, what will be the test in our case- and I am grateful,! repeat,for the consultations taking place - is whether the end result is, first of all, greater efficiency in carrying out the government's business balanced by the undeniable and the absolutely inalienable right of the public to know. This is what we must look for, this is what we must ask ourselves, and I hav~ sufficient faith in the.government to believe that there is no difference of view between us on that last and most important point.

One other point that I would like to make with regard to the parliamentary process and the parliamentary procedures is in terms of the government's approach to the whole question of making debate believable, credible and legitimate in this aouse by ensuring that,first of all,the maximum amount of information is made available so that debate can have some meaning. This I find is one of the more difficult things. I understand that it is not always possible on every occasion to lay, as it were, ~~e whole picture before either this aouse or before the Province.

But unfortunately, as has often been demonstrated in the past also, the secrecy argument is carried to extremes, So when I said earlier that

July 12, 1979 Tape No. 12 NM - 2 MR. D. JAMIESON: we will be asking hard questions, we will also be expecting full and frank answers. Because in the absence of those full and frank answers there cannot be the kind of informed debate which will, as everybody hopes, elevate the level of the discussion in this Chamber but,even more important,result in a better informed public. Now, Mr.

Speaker, as for the Speech from the Throne itself, there are only one or two observations that I want to make this afternoon by way, if you will, Sir, of an entry into my more detailed remarks whenever this particular debate is resumed. I suppose that history would be absolutely unforgiving if I became the first Leader of the Opposition I imagine in the history of parliamentary democracy who did not utter the phrase that the speech is more significant for what it does not contain than for what it contains,and so therefore I maintain the tradition by using that particular phrase.

But I would like to give it something of a little different twist today by saying that the speech is also more significant for what it says over again than for what it says that is really new. It is a well crafted speech. It is a speech which exudes a kind of optimism about the future of Newfoundland that I share. I believe all of us on this side have an innate, an inherent belief in the future of this Province. If they did not, if we did not as Newfoundlanders then chances are we would not even be able to look back, as the Speech does, to 1934 .

Because how, without that innate optimism we could have survived through C33

July ! 2, 1979 Tape No. 12 NM - 3 MR. JAMIESON: those terrible years, whi~ I recall, it is o.f course almost impossible to imagine. But basically what is being said here, and being said in a different form although s0111e of the quotes ue st;ikingly similar, is that there are certain fundamental ways in which i:t is believed the economy of Newfoundland can advanc$. It would be, I repeat, quite a burden if I were td stare qoing one over the other over the five points, or the seven points; this day and I do not propose to do so. But there are a few things that I think are worth saying because they really put this whole programme to the test . ... 034

July l2, 1979 Tape lJ EC ~ l XR. JAMIESON: Firs~ of all, one of cha problems wich long te:z:m planning ~ and I co-nd che governnm~ for doing it in thi.s fashion, of saying, ';\.t the vary least, th:i.s is what ..,. a.ra la.yinq ou~ before tt1a public of illawfcundl.anci fer five years,' - one of the problema even uruier tt1a best of cirCUIIIII1:anc:es is thAt, of course, it is extrualy difficult if nat impoaaible to have all. cf che pieces fall in1:a place precisely at the s~ time.

One of tbe difficulties also wi tb a packaqe plan anr.l.,incidentally, I hava worked on cham in countries around tbe worlci - is that SQIIIetimas if tbe lincnpiA project is not in place or cannot ba put in place, the remainder of che package tends to ciisintegrata because it simply will not function in its totality. 'lherafore, <oihile we on th:i.s side can do no less tban =-nd tha govaDUIIIIJlt for doiAg what I think members here have bean a.rquing for soma time th&t tbey ouqht to do .. , n-.Ly, to do long te:z:m planning', fir/ word of caution is that we shoulci not have all our eggs , as it ware , in one particular buket and tbat there shoulci be fall back positions, reserved positions. 'Ihe second poiAt that I want to malta with reqa.rd to long ranqe planniAq, and parti.cu.larly this package which is in front of us today, is, of course, that as tbe government IIIUIIt realize - and I sympathize with them in this regard - there are so many elemsnts in it that despite the optimism, despite the reaffi:r:mation,which we share, of our anxiety to do IIIDre for ourselves, but there are so many elBINlJlts in that. pac:kaqa whic:l1 are beyond not only the control of the Gove:r:nment of Newfoundland but are equa.lly beyond the control of the Govarnaant of Canada chat consequently it is going to be a. very a.rdUCJus job to :110ve that series of projects forward in a. manner that stays consistent and that brings the end rttn~:: ;;f soma 40,000 jobs - or I :Oelieve that is the fiqure - a.t the end of some five yea.r period.

Another observation I would like to l!la.ke - a.nd t.'U.s is perhaps IIIDra by way of philosophical commant in keeping with the IIIDOd of this opening day - is that, of course, wbat a government must do, it seams co me, in mesa troubled ti.mes in which we are living, and what we 035

July 12, B79 Tape lJ EC- 2 XR. JrlMIZSON: as an Opposition and ·.re in o= totality as a Legislatuxe must de is strike t:h& right balance 'between that long term planning and. wilat I llligh.t describe aa the hare and. ll.OW problem~ I am goinq to 'be intsrested. in the Bud.qet for a number of rauons but particularly .because of a ratb.er ominous paragraph in the Speech fro111 the Throne wruch talks about unpopular meuu.res which tile government is going to have to take with regard. to .both, I believe, current and. capital expenditures.

The forecast does not surprise me, incicient.aJ.l.y, but I put it to you in these terms, Mr. Speaker, t:hi!.t .mat we have is a situation where the real test - the real test - is whether or not the Government of Newfound.land. and. the Legislatuxe - because it is goillq to take all of us - are going to be able, even if the plan worlts in its totality, to tnatcb. that pace of progress to what has now coma tc be called. t.'le revolution of rising entitlements.

In short, wnac. tru.s does basicaJ.ly is dlaJ.lenqe the Newfound.land. people tc look to the next five years and. tc be prepared in a sensa, even if it 1o10rks, I repeat, to forego cer1:ain ad.vantaqes as of titis moment so ·tilat that end. result can be achieved.. Now the d.ifficul ty, Mr. Speaker, with. that is that when one looks at that revolution of risinq entitlemants,wrucb. used to be caJ.lad the revolution of rising- expectatio~ •.rhen one looks at that you nave two distinct elements within it.

One is I wh.ac. might be caJ.led the di..scretionuy expectation, the capability on t.'ul part of a person or a family or a colnlllun.i. ty to be discretionary as to whether it puts its demancis new, a year, twa or three years from now, those lc.ind.s, and t.'le here and. now v"i taJ. neecis of indi viQ.ual Newfound.landars wday. :10w that is the toug-hest part, that is how in these next months when ~o~e are facing in many instances, I emphasize, matters beyond. our control, rising prices for energy, ~o~nen we are facing- a possi.bla increase in inflation, certainly a cost of living the hig-hest in Canada 1 plus an unemployment rate wnich oy any G3S

July 12, 1979 Tape No. 14 NM - l MR. JAH:U:SON: standard is unforgivable, whether it is going to be able, the government,that is, to meet those very real needs and whether in fact it is at the same time going to be able to rein in those discretionary demands which I suggest have been part,at least, of the difficulty not only of Newfoundland but of the developed world over the last decade or so.

One last point, and I fear that I have gone on altogether too far already, but I will undertake to try to put before the government and my own colleagues in the debate more detailed expositions on various of these matters that I have raised. But I cannot take my seat, Mr. Speaker, without drawing attention, once again in the broadest brush strokes I can imagine for to?aY• the difficulty in which the government finds itself in the Speech from the Throne on two highly commendable objectives. One is .to make of Newfoundland a'have' Province. None of us, least of all me, would want to see us in any other position.

I can assure you that if there is any prayer that I have uttered more consistently than those relating to my own life and rny family, it is that the day would come when ! would be able in some public forum to say that Newfoundland had at last reached 1have'status. So therefore I have no quarrel with that objective and that goal. The quandry,it seems to me,in which we as Newfoundlanders now find ourselves is that we know that despite everything we are able to do we are not going to reach that'have' status in the next five years which is the period embraced by the five year plan.

So in effect what the government's massage in the Speech from the Thrc:>ne is is that we are going to have to be even more reliant, more reliant upon Ottawa in the next five years than we have been in the past. What they are saying of course in essence is that the difference, and I would like at some stage to have ~t discussed fully, is the manner in which the monies come, the manner in which the power and authority are provided as opposed G37

July 12, 1979 Tape t>ro. 14 :-IR. JAMIESON: to any stoppage of the flow of do11ars. Now this of course raises the biggest single question that is reflected. in the Throne Speech debate and that is an enormously interesting one and I am pleased that the government has said that it will introduce wide scale discussion upon it1 and that is constitutional reform.

It is probably, as I have said about some of the acts bere in the Legislature, not the central topic of conversation around most Newfoundland living rooms each night, but nevertheless we must, if t.:1.<! government is to live up to this p.u:ticula.r comm.itment that it has made, !!lake every effort to put the options before the people of Canada because there are options.

Essentially,! suppose, indeed. the phrase is actually in the Speech from the Throne, the message is more power to the Province, and that I repeat, probably is desirable provided we understand that at the same eime there is no price, that in fact there is benefit. And so I emphasize once again that here is a big issue whl.ch ha_s links to all of the other things which the Speech from the Throne has related.

Now may I say I hope, with no, on the one hand ,sense of egotism, and with no patrolti.zing sound i'IM - 2 on the other, that I believe that I have some experience in these matters, and I say to the t.eader of the Government, the Premier, and to his colleagues,_ that if in any way, and under any circumstances, public, private, anything that they wish, whatever repository of knowledge I represent on federal/provincial relttions, I am prepared to be of help.

I say that because after all of the variety of things that I have done I cannot tel: you, ~- Speaker, how happy I am that I will be able,in a focused ·~y, to devote whatever talents, whatever energies I possess, and those of my colleagues here, to the job of building that better Newfoundland, of translating G38

Ju l y 12 , l9i9 Tape ~ o. 14 NM - 3 t:l:lat optimiSlll into o>omething very IIIUc:h worthwhile, but of course it wi~.l be entirely up to the qo'l7e:l:lllllent to d~ide wbe:ther or not there is 411-ytbing which I have tc conaibute. For my own part,I said earl.ier on ~t I ha4 boen knQwn as a chil.d of ~ COIIIIIIO.ns. I !lope today that there will .be the b~ Qf a new legen(i , if that is tbe right word, and that someday far ciOM\ t:lu! road someone w:ill say of me as wel.l that ! was a ebild of the E~e of Assesbly. H.ear, hear! G39

July 12, 1979 Tape 15 PK - 1 :1R. SPEAKE!~ (SIMMS) : The hen. the Premier . SOME RON. ~ERS: Hear, hear! PRE."UER PECKFORD: Mr. speaker, it gives me great pleasure to s~ in this Chamber today to follow Squires and Bond and Smallwood aDd Moores, Monroe and A.lderice and Lloyd and many of the other great Newfoundlanders in this position. First of all l et me say, Mr. Speaker, I congratulate you on your election this morning to a very distinguished position in this Chamber and one I think which was taken on over the years since I have been here, since 1972, a really critical role in the operations of this Parliament.

I think I would be remiss in my remarks on this if I did not mention that the present Minister of Justice and the 1\ttorney General (Mr. Ottenheimer) brought to the Speaker's Chair, I think, a great deal of distinction and honour and competence aDd proficiency. SOME HON. MEMBERS: !lear, hear! ~REMIER PECKFORD: And I am confident that you,Mr.

Speaker, and I am sure I speak on behalf of all hon. members 1 wil1 carry out that distinguished tradition that was not started but extended by the present Minister of Justice so that we will have in this House over the next three or four year3 an enlightened Speaker who will deal fairly with the issues that come before us from both sides of the Bouse. Additionally , of course, I ~uld like to compliment the member for Conception Bay south (Mr. Buttt) on his election as Deputy speaker, and I am sure he too will carry on that great tradition. Secondly, Mr .

Speaker, let me welcome the Laader of the Opposition, a distinguished Newfoundlander whom,when I 'Nas a boy, as a young man listened to on many occasions in the many positions that he held in government, in society generally, to say how haPPY.- I am sure, all of us are that he is back in the House of Assembly of Newfoundland from Ottawa. We welcome him here to this Chamber

July 12, 1979 Tape 15 P!< - 2 ~remier Peckford: and I look forward to his contribution to this Assembly. I am sure, Mr. Speaker, that he will have many, many years as t.eader of the Opposition in our Province. SOME HON. MEMBERS: ?RE.'!IER P:!CXFORD: Hear, hear! I shail,of course, indicate, Mr. Speaker, that I am very happy that the Leader of the Opposition saw fit over the last nu=ber of days and weeks to show great co-operation in things that we are going to try to do together to refor111 this Chamber. And I will say more on that in a few minutes. Let me also, Mr.

Speaker, conqratuJ..ate the member for Menihek (Mr. Walsh) and the member for Port de Grave (Mr. R. Collins) for the way that they behaved this afternoon in their initial speeches to this Chamber. It is always difficult, you know, Mr.

Speaker, and I know many of us here who have been in the Rouse for some time •Nbo shiver and shake as we coll\8 into this Chamber for the first time and stand before the leaders of church and state and try to articulate a position which is intelligent and yet reflects some of the needs, small and large, of a constituency that they just come from, and I think both those gentlem~ did well today in their opening speeches and I am sure that the House Leader for the Government will be after them right after this session is over this afternoon to get them involved in the Address in Reply debate, and in the Budget debate very soon 1 because they have shown that they have something to offer.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to indicate, and I think this is important for this opening session, and welcome to the neuse the hon. member for Gander (Mrs. Newhook), and the hon. the member for Humber East (Mrs. Verge) who are now female Cabinet ministers, if you will, because I think it is a significant set up right now that we have in our Province as it relates to Cabinet formulation. And we have now two ladies in the cabinet of the Government of Newfoundland who will I hope '1elp us formulate new directions as it relates to 041.

July 12, 1979 '!'ape 15 ?!< - 3 ?remier Peckford: ·.romen' s righes and as ehe Rouse t.eader 1.ndic aeed eoday we alr~ady have pue forward on ~e Orde r ?ape: a major piece of legislation in thae rega r d. And r would ~elcome ehem here as ministers of the Crown and hope chae they "'ill be able eo part:J.cipaee in the de.baee

Tao;e ::o. 16 SD - 1 P.<S:;·:.IER PECAFOIW: and cring ~o tn.e GoveriiiiUin~ and. tilis CilamDer some1;hing different. tn.a.n we •w.ve saen in the past, bring new l.dea.s, a fresh approach t:o a whole range of issues w.ilich pernaps ll.i males are not so c~le o.f ao~ as you t'.o~o lllignt. be. SOME riON. iiEl-!BERS: iiear, aear. &'l<Ei·liER ?ECKFORD: Well, ··lr.

Speaker, if t.'le !llemeers of ~s Legislature and if tne people of ~:his ?rovince are really eager t:a see re.fo:r::m in this hem. aouse 1 I suggest toQa.y, a.nci I say l. t: sincerely and. with every W.t. of t:l:Uth and. i\Qnesty t.'lat I can lllllSter, t:ha~ we fifty-ewo 1118111Ders nave ·it in our own hands t:o do it. And let us start from this day, ;4r . Speaker, and. ""ithin the next. numaer of <lays make the kincis of cnanges tn.at are needed. t:o the rules of t:nis aouse so t.ilat the level of t:ha deb<!.te, so t:hat t.ne efficien~ .... ork.ing of t:nis lf.Ouse can actua.l.ly happen.

We can t:alk aDout. resoursa development, i-!r. Speaker, we can talX al:lout social development, we can talk about cultural developuent 1 ~ut ~ess we ourselves as inc:U.vidua.ls,as leaciers, as elected representatives of our various constituencies, do it ourselves tnen the other reform, ~o-calleo. t:hat we will espouse of the next few weeks will lack in credibilit:y rignt. from me start. So that. if we l.re really serious, ;.t.r;. Speaker, alxlut mak.ing an a~tempt to elevate politics in this i'rovince, we have it: in our own ilanWi and it rests on our shou.loers. So t:ha t I nope, :1r.

Speaker, over the next numaer of days in tne .,roposa.ls that I ;w.ve now pu~ t:o the Leader of tn.e 01fflOoid.on anu t:o me \)pj,>Usi i:.l.on caucus,that they will see fit t:o co-operate with these so t.'lat we can get on anci tnake those changes, cUlll it will be from tnat mc~~~ent that the people of Newfc;.mlila~, who elected us hare, w1.ll believe t:i•e otn.er rafoxms and. the other programmes and t.he otn.er comments ::ilat we wil~ bring foxwarci.

The fouruiation must be ourselves. tie muot reform ourselves, "'e mus~ refo.:r::m our own rules, we :nust l:eform tn.e way we conciuc~ our d ebates if we expect the ?eQple of Newfoundland 043

.iu.l.y 1 2, 1979 Tape :-io. 16 ::iLl - 2 ~o believe the other refo= on social, cul~al. and resoursa development: that we will be l;;ringinc; forwar<i in ~~s hen. aousa.

So I s .ay ~o 1:..'18 Lea.Qer of the 0,&>j?Qsition, wil.ile I accept readily ili.a co-operative spirit, I hope ili s Ql'o or tnree qua.l.iiications tc that co-operation will not negate tne poss.iD.ility on :·IOn<iay or Tues~y from ~"le Gowr::uaent House ;:.,aa<i~ :Ceing able tc give notice of refo= ~:o ::his non. c.'la.CI.ber, 4nd that I think. l.t u very inc:umbant upon us vary early in ~,.a session to cio thae.Otharwue I tnink we . .,ill nave laaeci tile test a.nd. we will have alreaciy start~ on tnat slio?pery slope down "C;o where we were in tile ?aSt number of years in t.nis hon. iiouse as it relaces to efficient a.nd. intelligent de.bate as related to the biq issues of the day.

Ant. so L ~'link we have it on our own grass now and we must do it and we !IIUSt <io it quiclly so ~at tile peopl& . of NewfouncL.lan!i can see tanqible evidence of our desire tc actuallr lllall;e tnose changes. And let me say, ~lr.

Speaiau:, on t.ilat point tnae ie is not a :natter of refo~ng the rules of the !iouse so t:.'ac. we O&come the leaders of I?a.t"l.iamltntary reform and parliameneary ru.l.es in Canada or the British Commonwealth, What we are sayinq, ~lr. speaker, a.nu. why l:..'l.erefore I muse. test tile Leader o£ tna Opposic.l.on' s ccmment.s on ::his point, it is t.o ering tne parliamentary proceQure of N<!wfound.land in line with many of t.ne other Parlid.lllents i.n canada anu. t.ne British Commonwealth, tc bring it. in line and up ~ w.nere t,;1"' i:,eader of the Opposl.c.ion just came from, the nollse of C0111111ons in v ttawa, because it was ~'la Leader of ~e Oii'posi tier.' .i ?art:y a.n<i leader in Ottawa which reformed su-bstantially th~; rules of the nollse of commons bac:it in the early 1970s on wnich there are :eams and reams of material anci books written since to coiiiii1Bnd the former Priaa :·linister of canada in the way he went about ext~editing and making c.ae whole joe of ?arliamentarians more efficient..

And additionally, <J.r. Speaker, and even more important is the fact thae many privat.e,ordinarJ C44

.:...uy l2' 1::179 SD - 3 ba.c.kben.cilers in t:.\1is non. House since I have baen nere in 1972 have llQt nad the oppcrtwlity eo get involved in and l?artiC~'te in tile d.a.ba.taa and the estillla'tes whic:il are so important in this House.

AM the reforms t:.'lat we nave put fo;rwarci, I think, de 1\Q't put us in the forefront of reform in parliamentary procaciure but rather ery t:a b:r.:i.ng us ineo ene t:wentieth cantuq whiu:e many of the other Parliaments of Can<~.oia .uv;i tne ar.:i.tisil Comconwealtb have been for some time 'lnci,sacollQ.ly , , .will p:rovil!e fo:r many of the non. members who llithertafore nave not nad the oppc:r"tUn.:i.ty to gat involved i.n the par.liamelll:ary .,.recess in its fullest sense will give them the oppo:r1:Unity .. so· t:Q de. Secorllil.y, Mr.

Speaker, let me say t!lat, as I have said many t.:i..mes in tile last three or four tDCntils, ehat I firmly and honestly and since:rely believe that we are a't tne crossroads as it rela.tas t:Q us as a Province and our development:. I firmly believe that. We are at the threshold of many, ~~~any thi.nqs am1 we can cite statistics until they coma out of our ears as it relates eo our fishery and where it has gone since 1975 evan, where our forestq has gena in the products, the value ehat we nave :Ceen 045

July 12,1979 Tape No. 17 AH-1 PRL'!IER PECXFORO: able to produce even in our agriculture, in our offshore, in our hydro potentials and so on. We can go througl\ the whole list of hydro or resource :evel~ents and I tnink that any reasoned lfewfoundl.ander, enlightened Newfoundlander will sea that we have another chance to make it. We have another chance to do things correetly. We have another chance to do thinqs right. That was not always tlle case, Mr. Speaker. We have had that chance before !:ut we have muffed it on just about every occasion.

In readinq my Newfoundland history in the last number of days,it is shoclcinq to learn about the railway of 1895 and the forest industry of 1905 and the forest industry of 1925 and then to get up to 1933 and 1934 and to see ~nat happened 1 and then to 1!48 and 1949 and the great social revolution that occured a£ter that. We have had 1Mr. Speaker, on a number of ocassions the opportunity to develop our resour~s giving us some return here in this Province, and on almost every ocassion when it was a larqe natural resource project we did not do it properly.

And that is perhaps one fundamental difference in the approach that the Leader ot. th,. Opposition took today and in the approach that this govel:TIDHtnt takes. On the one hand, I aqree with the Leader of :he Opposition in the sense o:f the allllost paradoxical position we find ourselves in as to on the one hand lonq-te:r:DI planning and on the other hand the here and now social services. But by the s-e token, Mr.

Speaker, we must recoqni:z:e that where we failed many times in the past in that we did have resourse development, - did have a Churchill Falls, - did have a Price· (NflcN, we ciid nave a Bowaters-and albeit they have been highly advanta.qeous to our econcxay as far as they go - and we did have a railway, we did have minerals and many other things, and the fishery, but each time that that was reLlected in a particular project we t:houqht as Newfoundlanders that we had to qive more away t."um what we w~re to qet out off it. Ane that is no federal-provincial relationship.

That is a desi:e of a people reflected by their

July 12,1979 . Tape No. 17 AH-2 ?REMIER ?£CXFORD: leacers,whether in face at that point in time a better deal could have been struck. And I submit as perhaps, Mr.

Speaker, may I be so bold as to suqqest 1 a new Newfoundlander, that now on the threshold of the Lower Churchill, t.'la.t now on the threshold perhaps of Co- By Chance, t.ltat now on the threshold of offshore oil and qas, that now on the threshold of fishery cevelopment,the question is not whether we can neqotiate necessarily better deals with Ottawa, t.hat we have some self-dete:nnination in ourselvas on these issues which ·.o~i!l n~t ncc.:e.:sarily involve Ottawa or involve anybody else, on which w. can make deci~ion"l which will in five to ten !;'elL.-s bring in revenue to the Treasury which can th&n fi.zlance the additional public services that everybody needs.

And that is where the key is as to whether Newfoundland's future can be secured. Obviously, Mr. Speaker, it is in federal- provincial ralations. Obviously it is in changes in the constitution on offshore vil ~d qas and some fishery modification jurisdiction as it relates to Newfoundland and ottawa.

But the key element that we should ni!V'&r overlook in all our federal - provincial relationships, in all the changes we miqht want to the constitution, in all the new DREE agreements so th .. t th~y ~co- better, and all the new transportation leavers which IIIWit be p111: in place, the Trans- Labrador Hiqhway , the Trans ·Canada and a better deal and the CN beinq a per111anent force in this ?rovinc:e 7 with all of these things, illlportant as they are, that when we have the opportunity ourselves to make decisions they have not been proper decisions which brought to the economy and to the people of Newfoundland the kind of economic returns that we were entitled to as the owner of the resource.

And I say, Mr. Speaker , that as - go down the road over the next few weeks, months and years that the r,to'!'!= line 11\USt be black and the . environment must be qreen before we can entertain large industrial projects which are not necessarily natural to our way of life here - SOME RON MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

July 12,1979 Tape No. 17 AH-3 ?~~IER PtCY.FORO: and if there is going to be any concentration-so the key to it is, yes, we must negotiate and barqain hard 1wnich the gracious Speech points out,as it relates to a five year plan and its interface C48

.;uly , ' ..... l~73 P~~IER PEC.~ORD: Tape 18 with Ottawa on major projeca like ;:he Lower Churchill, like the EC - l. distrjj)ution po:rt at !!arbour Grace, that is key, but equally as key is t.''le dete:caina.tion of !lewfoundlanders everywhere that when we have it in our grasp to make decisions ourselves on lllineral. developmant,which is the Province 1 s responsjj)ili ty, a lot of fisne.ry development, which we can make a lot of which is the Province 1 s responsjj)ili ty, on forest:ry and on energy developments, that we do it knowinq full well that we will get the first aconomic benefit out of it.

And, of course, nothinq demcnstrates th<:.t C.eter tilan . the offshore oil and gas and the requlations that are put in place on that. And the SaD& kind of attitude liiUSt be used by leaders in t.'l.is Province over the next tan or fifteen years if we are to be any further ahead fifteen years from now than we are at the present l!'l)ment. So, Mr. S~aker, it is one of attitucie.

We have had our resource development and our railways and our pulp and paper llli11s and our fishery ignored and :hen brouqht back - we have had all of that - and we have had our social revolution and our baby bonus and our family allowance, all of wh.ich is good and proper and must be, but now, Mr.

Speaker, I believe we are at a different staqe in our history where. there has been in the last net teo many years a ravolution of attitude wh.ere most Newfoundlanders reflectinq their past, Confederation and before, see that for some strange reason we have :Oeen g-iven another chance, and now it is a revolution of attitude to say that we want to be qood Canadians, but simultaneously and after sayinq i:h.a.t first, that we say 1 and rush to say riqh.t after th.at 1 there are many levers and decisions wlU.c:h we will have to make as Newfoundlanders undl!r the constitution which was qiven to us in 1949 which can h.elp ~e or break us as well.

Therefore, Mr. Speaker, the Speech outlines two key areas in rri'f view, one a plan - and every plan is going- to be attacked and avery plan cannot be fulfilled tc the last detail - but, Mr. Speaker, what a plan does do is make the qove:mment accountable, and that is important because if we are talkinq about reforminq politics let us reform it all the way. And I am willing, Mr. Speaker, as the leader of the government, to stand on the plan t.'l.at we wUl put before the &ewfcundland people and than put before Ottawa and C.49

Jl.lly 12, 1979 Tape 18 EC - 2 PRE.'IIER !?EC<FORD: every.iJody else in t.'le next. six or seven montl1s - stand on it aild be accountable for it, have our aims and objectives. We are not lookinq at the past, we are not lookinq at the present, we are looking at the future, and through this Speech from the Throne,which is supposed to be one of aims and ol:ljectl.ves and Ciirectl.ons that government wishes to take, le-e us put our house in order, let us put a. financial plan and a social plan and a resource plan on t:he tabla, the non.

Table , for all to see , and let us therefore push to make those things l'lappen in the next. three or four years. I hope with the Opposition's cc-opera.tion and canst-"""lctl.ve criticism on that plan that "'e can in the four or five years create tl'1ose 40,000 jobs. And at the same time, Mr.

Speaker, recognizing always that evan if we are successful on reforming the rules of tl'1e House, and even if we are successful in canducting ourselves as leaders, not only in the House but everywhere respectably, and that politics elevates itself to l'ligher heights tilan ever seen before, and if we even brinq about all tl'1ose resource developments that we talk about and all the socj,.al developments that we talk about, lU'.

Speaker, we shcluld never forqet that there is another key element to the qracious Speech which in my view as most hen. members know is extremely important and that is tile identification of ourselves, knowinq who we are. aecause, Mr. Speaker, we can h.ave all the social philosophies, resource philosophies in the world, but. if we really do no'l: know •.me we are as people, if we really do not recognize - there was a time, Mr. Speaker, in the 1960s wl'len we tl'1ought tha'l: we had to nave somebody from outside to come in to tell us how we were to resettle ourselves.

Well, surely we are now of aqe that we can dete::m:i.ne our own destiny, that we know enouqh about our own history and past to detexmine our own destiny and to provide for ourselves a place in Canadian Confederation which '"'ill not mean we are the meltinq pot and that wllen you see one Canadian you have seen them all, that there is still a Mewfouncilander in Canada and that there is still an Albertan in Canada, and all over, t:ha1: we have that kind of thinq. This is not a unitary state, this is a federation wl'lere all the various parts

July 12, 19i9 Tape 19 P!< - 1 Premier Peckford: can have some realm of self-determination so that,as we go down the pathway of davel.opment in the next five years, let us remember that our cultural dimension in some context is just important as the towe:r Churchill, just as important as Cane By Chance, because it is no good being a prosperous people unless you are happy people.

That the:refo:re will fill in the full equation ana hopefully make this Province in the next five years, at least lay the g:roundwo:rk and see the proq:ress along which - there will not be a revitalization of the CNR in five years, but there can be a start towards it and a commitment on it. There can be, hopefully almost finished, on the Lowe:r Churchill development, and a numbe:r of other large projects which are essential not just fo:r themselves, but in the other inciust:ries that they can create.

And so if that plan does nothing else but start setting timetables in which we will have a revitalized railway in fifteen years, that w& will have a commitment to rational d~velopment of Labrador over a ten year period with commitments now in the 1980s, 1981 ana 1982, then I think that is the kind of proq:ress that we all want to see. Mr. Speaker, it has been a fairly lengthly day, a momentous day. Just let me say that I look forward in the next number of days to continued co-operation from the Opposition.

And let us get on on Monday the job of debating fully this Speech, and next Thursday the Budget which outlines the financial direction of the Province.

Let us hope that in the next three or four years the various- the present Leader of the Opposition, plus many of the other more seasoned Opposition members on the other side, plus members here on this side can debate in.a wise and intelligent way the direction of the ~rovince and hopefully over the next four years we can see major . improvements on all fronts to ensure that this Province does ~ve ahead and that we are better off because we are here for this four years then we were before we came. Thank you very much.

July 12, 1979 Tape 19 . SOME !iON. ~!EMBERS: Here, here! MR. SPEAKER (SIMMS): It is moved and seconded that an address of thanks be presented to His Honour in reply to the Gracious speech, and that a select ·committee be appoint~d to draft such an Address in Reply. adopt this motion? SOME !iON. MEMBERS: MR.. SPEAKEll.: Is it the pleasure of the House to All those in favour "Aye"'? Aye. Contrary "Nay"'? PK - 2 The committee will consist of the hen. member for Menihek (Mr. Walsh), the hen. member for Port de Grave (Mr. R. Collins), and the hen. member for St. Barbe (Mr. Bennett). NOTICES OF MOTION MR.

SPEAKER: The hen. member for LaPoile. MR. !lEARY: I give notice that I will on tomorrow move the following Resolution:

BE IT RESOLVED that a Special Committee of the Hou~e of Assembly be appointed UmDediately to lay down guidelines for the setting up of a Provincial Fair Prices Review Council with backup legislation to· allow the Council to handle grievances and complaints from consumer groups and individuals who feel they have been the victims of unfair pricing, price gouging, profiteering, unethical procedures and practices by wholesalers and retailers, false advertising, questionable procedures in stocking shelves by the big supermarket chains, and unfair competition in price fixing in connection with the pricing of gasoline by both distributors and at the gas pumps, and increases in prices of heating fuel and electricity rates.

MR. SPEAKER: The hen. member for St. John's North. MR. J. CARTER: Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow beg leave to present the following Resolution:

WHEREAS it is vital that our children be fully aware of their cultural and historic heritage ; and

July 1979 Tape 19 :-!r. J. carter: WBD£AS .thi\1 edllca.tion DJAterial~ approveci for use in the curriculum ot our schoolS often bears na relationship t;O l;.he cUltm;e, heritaqe iUid 8l(tlerience of the people of this Province 1 and WBEUl\5 the relava:nc .e of our educational syst811l liiUSt ·always be kept in. view; ?K - .3 BE I'l' i'H!l<li!E ORE RESOLVED that this Government be encouraqeci to review the ate:.:ials presentl-y used in our schools with a Q'iew to en.surinq that such educational materials adeqUately re£l:ect the aul.ture, histoey .anci experience of the people of this POvace.

July 12,1979 Tape No. 20 AH-1 Mli. SPEAKER: (S.illlms) The member for Trini~/- Bay de Verde. MR.F.R~"E: I :110ve the followinq Resolution: MR. SPEAlCER: Order, please! Might I ask the members of the Press Gallery to perhaps keep their voices down'1 SOME HON. ~ERS: Hear, hea.r: MR. SP!:AXER: Hon. member for Trinity- Bay de Verde. MR. F .ROW!!: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I qive notice that I will on t01110rrow 1110ve the followinq Resolution:

WHEREAS the fishinq industry is of pa.r11111ount importance to the econOIIIy of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador: AND WHERE~ the Nation of Canada does net own ncr possess jurisdiction in respect of ~he total fishery resource of the seabed in the area extendinq to the edqe of the Continental Shelf and nlarqain adjacent to Newfoundland and Labrador, the Hilllliltcn Banks, the entire Grand Banks or to a limit extendinq 200 miles from the inner limit of the Canadian Territorial Sea, whichever is qreater; AND

WHEREAS a development pro<;rillll for the Newfoundland and Labrador Fishinq Industry to 1985 has been proposed by the Government without benefit of debate in the House of Assembly; AND

WHEREAS the harvestinq, fleet development, processinq and marketinq of the fish have not bean clearly defined; AND

WHEREAS the development of the fishery will have an impact upon the social milieu of the communities of Newfoundland and Labrador; ~~D

WHEREAS the f~r.~cinq of a fishery development proqram has to come from qovernment sources and/or from the private sector;

July 12,1979 Tape ~lo. 20 AH-2 !-!R.F.ROWE:: T!reREFORE

BE IT RESOLVED t."lat this House fully debate all aspects of t.t,e fishery in order that the gove:tm~~ent may be directed to develop a strateqy for the fishery in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador wtu.ch would he in the be.t intere!at of all involved with the fishery and in the best interest of the Province as ~ wil.ole. MR. SPEAKER: (Sililms) Islanda. ~.

WOODROW: Hon. member for Bay of I give notice that I will on tcmorrow ask leave to move t~L followinq resolution; WHEUAS the actions of the Or~;anization of Petroleum E:xportinq Caantries have given rise to great increases in the price of imported oil c011inq into Canada; AKD W1IEDAS the world is facinq the distinct possibility of severe shortaqes in the supply of oil in the near future; AND

WHEREAS our energy· res~ces should be conserved for the use of future generations; BE I'l' THEREFORE RESOLVED that the governments of Canada and of the Province be CDIIIII!ended for their efforts taken to date in the area of energy conservation particularly in the recent siqninq of a DREE Subsidiary Aqreement on renewable energy sources; AND BE rr FURrHER RESOLVED that both qovernments be encouraged to devote even more attention to this critical problem so that consumers of energy in t.l\e Provine. will be assured of stable and low-c:ost sources of enerqy in the future. I!IR. SP!!AXER: White Bay. ~R.

RIDEOUT: Hen. member for Baie Verte- Mr . Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow move the followinq resolution; BE I'l' RESOLVED that a Select committee be appointed to investiqate, consider and report upon the feasibility and the desirability of the

JULY 12,1979 '!'ape No. 20 AH-3 ~'R. P.IDEOUT: several ~roposals to develop the water power resources of this Province, including in pa~icular those of the Churchill River and other waters in Labrador, and to investiqae, consider ancl report upon the prospects therefore: AND BE I'l' F"URrHER RESOLVED that the committee have power to sit in and out of Session, to send for papers and other documents, and generally to exercise the powers wtU.ch may be conferred upon Commissioners under the Public Enquiries Act,

Chapter 314 of the Revised Statutes of Newfoundland, 1970: AND BE I'l' FUR'l'HER RESOLVED that the COIIIIIIittee be authoriz.ed to sit fr0111 place to place throuqhout N-foundland ancl Lol.bracior. !'fit. SPEAlCElt: (SillliiiS) aon • member for St. Georqe ' s • MR. OAWI!:: Mr.

Speaker, I qive notice that I will on t01110rrow ask Leave to introduce the followinq resolution; WBE'REAS the people in rural parts of the Province have a right to live and raise their families in their awn cOIIIIIIUnities; AND WREllEAS maintenance of this pattern of population is essential to the preservation of our culture and heritage: AND WHEP:!AS the success of the p~rams evolved over the last number of years through aqencies such as the Department of Rural Development indicate the potential economic strenqth of the rural parts of our Province; BE IT THEl!EFORE RESOt.V~ that this <JOV"<O'JIIent be encouraged to continue and expand its proqramas of assisting the rural parts of the Province both with re<rard to increased economic: opportunity and through the provision of illlpro-d public services.

July 12, 1979 c1R. SPEAKER (Silitms) : Bay d'Espoir. MR. SIMMONS: Tape No. 21 The hen. member for surgeo- I give notice that I will on tomorrow ~ave the following resolution: aE IT RESOLVED that this House supports a renegotiation of the financial provisions of Term 29 of the Terms of Union between Newfoundland and Canada with a view to having the annual sa million payment translated into 1979 dollar values. MR. SP£AICER: The hen. member for Fortune- Elermitage. MR. D. STE'D.Rr: I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce the following resolution: NM - l

WHEREAS the caplin is an essential food-fish for the cod and other groundfish species on which our commercial fisheries depend; and

WHEREAS in the last number of year.s the numbers of daplin reaching the inshore waters of this Province have radically declined; BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED that !:his <louse urge the Government of Canada to taka a very conservative approach with regard to the management of this Province's caplin stocks particularly with regard to thil establishment of quotas so as to ensure tr.a.t the health of our cod and other conmercial species is fully protected. MR. SP£AICER: The hon. ~ember for Windsor-suchans. MR. G. E'LIGH'l':

WHEREAS the senior citizens of this Province have throughout their •..tOrking years contributed to and have indeed assured the growth, development and future prosperity of our Province; AND

WHEREAS a great majority of our senior citizens have fixed incomes; AND

WHEREAS inflation and the ever increasing cost cf living continually erodes the ability of our senior citizens to maintain an adequate,even decent standard of living;

July 12, 1979 Tape No. 21 NM - 2 MR. E'LIGHT: AND

WHEREAS our senior citizens have earned the right, and are entitled to share in the prosperity that they themselves created; NOW BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED that this l!ouse urges the Government to bring in legislation this Session to exempt senior citizens from School and Municipal Taxes. BE IT FUR'l'HER RESOLVED that the Province reimburse the taxing authorities for loss of revenue for su=h exemptions. MR. SPEAKER: The bon. member for Placentia. MR. W. PATTERSON: Mr.

Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce the following resolution: 'NHEIIEAS the present ferry service from tlorth Sydney to Argentia is strickly on a seasonal basis; AND WREXEAS if a ferry service were to operate on a yearly basis, traffic congestion would be substantially reduced on the Trans Canada Highway, thereby improving drivi."lg conditions on our major Provincial road link; AND

WHEREAS sixty per cent of goods coming to Newfoundland are destined for centers East of Gander: AND

WHEREAS the port of Argentia is ideally and strategically located for efficient handling and distribution of goods and is capable of receiving vessels in a seventeen hour time f;ame from North Sydney: AND

WHEREAS in this energy conscious world it is recognized that goods can be moved more economically by means of ·~ter transportation: BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED that this hon. House request Canadian National (Marine) to make application to the Federal Government for a year-round ferry service to operate between North Sydney and Argentia.

J"uly 12, 1979 Tape No. 21 NM - 3 ~Ill.. S?EAXER (Simms) : The hon. member for Torngat 11ountains. MR. G. WARm:N: Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I rill on to1110rrow mcve the following resolution:

WHEREAS presently many l!l&dical occurrences in Labrador, because of a lack of specialized medical expertise requires transfer to a medical facility on the Island portio ·n of our Province and is only accessible by air which; (

a) is ext:emely costly (

b) is subject to weather conditions BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED that the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador make available ambulance services for patients in Labrador comparable to the Island portion of the Province. lm. SPEAKER: The hon . member for Menihek. MR. P • Wlt.LSH: I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce the following resolution:

WHEREAS the hydro from the Upper Churchil.l Development is presently being exported to the Province of Quebec under a sixty year contract which is grossly unfair as to its terms; and

WHEREAS the people of this Province have a basic right under the Constitution of Canada to receive a fair price for the development of their natural resources; BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED that the government of the Province be encouraged to und~ake all legal means possible to have the Upper Churchill contract revised as to its pricing previsions so as to ensure that a fair return is paid to t~e Tre~sury of the Province. ' .... 9 > •• u

JI.Oly 12, 1979 Tape 22 EC - l MR. SPEAKER: (Simms) The hon. the member for Grand Bank. MR. THOMS: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that I will on toiiDrrow 1110va the following Resolueion: THAT this House set up a Select Committee to investigate the causes of increasing vandalism in Newfoundland and. !.abrader and reco-nd. ways and lll&ans of curbing same. MB.. SPEAXZR: MR. BAilUl: Tha hon. the member for Humber West. Mr. Speaker, I give notice :hat I will on tomorrow ask leave to present the following Resolution:

WHEREAS it is essential that balanced ind.ustrial growth take place throughout all areas of the E'rovinca' ANO

WHEREAS the recently signed Industrial Devalopmant agreement for Western M-founciland indicating that the Government of Canada is willing to assist financially the establishment of industrial infrastructure in c:.'lis ~rovince; BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED that this House urqe the Gove:rnment of Canada to expand this programme to assist in the development of additional industrial parks in all regions of the E'rovince. :m.

SPEAKER: There being no further :>lotices of Motion that I see, and before the UDtion to adjourn is made, I would like I:O remind li8JIIbers and guests that there is a reception in the main foyer downstairs in t!1is particular building. The hon. the President of the Council. Mr. Speaker, I aova that the House at its rising do adjourn until tomorrow, Monday , a~ 3:00 P.M. and that this House do now adjourn. MR. ROBERTS: MR. S?EAKER: MR. ROBERTS: Mr. Speaker. The ~on. the member for Strait of Belle Isle.

Before the adjouz:nmant 1110tion, I wonder if we could - and I apologize to my non. friend, the E'resident of the Council for not having an opportunity to mention it to him - could we start the habit of indicating - and I will ask a question. if I am permitted, of the non. gentleman - indicating on the adjournment motion what business the government laO

July 12, 1979 Tape 22 EC - 2 ~- !lOBERrS: contemplates callinq on the next sit.tinq d.ay? I realiz:e there will be times 1o1hen the government 1o1ill have to chanqe their contemplated plans - t!1at we ~~nderstand - but I think it wouJ;d help all concerned, Sir, if the Government !louse Leader could indicate to us wlla.~ business t:ney contemplate callinq on Monday and perhaps we could make that o~ practice as part of the new era of wnich the Premier has spoken. ~- SPEAKER: (Simms) The non. the President of the Council. ~- MARSHALL: Mr . Speaker, 1o1e nave been in 1:he new era far quite a few mcnths now.

The fact of the 111atter is I think the best procedure in future would be for perhaps the !iouse Leader and I to discuss this outsida the llouse rather tlla.n take the valuable time of the House itself. But what we contemplate doinq on Monday is bringinq before the House the proposed revisions of tne rules, that is if the Opposition has had an opportunity to look tnem over, and hopefully we can qat them passed u they are placed "before the !iouse.

I do not think there will be need for any long time dellate ovar them because the rules themselves speak for tnemselves. 'lheir ceneficial effect on the workings of this House will be quite obvious to anyone who reads them. And tnen we will get into the Address in Reply and so on • • 'iR.. !lOBERTS: 'lhank you very much. MR. SPEAKER: It !:las been moved o~nd seconded that this !iouse do now adjourn. Is it the pleasure of the aouse ttl adopt t;he motion? Those in favour 'Aye', contrary 'Nay', carried. On 1110tion that the House at its rising stmds adjourned until t:.o1110rrow, Monday, July 16, 1979 at 3:00 P.M.