Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 13 May 2014 (47th General Assembly, 3rd Session, Vol. XLVII No. 26)

2014-05-13

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 13 May 2014 (47th General Assembly, 3rd Session, Vol. XLVII No. 26)

2014-05-13

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

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May 13,

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS

Vol. XLVII No. 26

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

MR.

SPEAKER (Wiseman):

Order, please!

Admit strangers.

Before we start today's proceedings, I want to

acknowledge a large group of very special guests in our gallery.

We have with us today, fifty members of the Paradise 50 Plus Adventure

group. They are under the capable

leadership of their President Maxine Earles.

Welcome to our galleries.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

Statements by Members

MR.

SPEAKER:

Today we will have members' statements from the Member for the District of Baie

Verte Springdale; the Member for District of Port au Port; the Member for the

District of Bonavista North; the Member for District of Cartwright L'Anse au

Clair; the Member for District of Kilbride; and the Member for the District of

St. John's North.

The hon. the Member for Baie Verte Springdale.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

POLLARD:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

A hard-working businessman of Springdale has added his

name to an elite list of safety conscious professionals.

I rise in this hon. House today to congratulate the CEO

of Newfoundland and Labrador Vegetation Control, Terry Croucher, upon his

induction into the Workplace Health, Safety and Compensation Commission's Safety

Charter as its fifty-eighth member.

The honour is reserved for the Province's top business promoters of safety in

the workplace.

Introduced in 2007 and administered by the Workplace

Health, Safety and Compensation Commission, the Safety Charter is to support the

continuous improvement of healthy and safe work places throughout the Province.

NLVC's commitment to safety began around fourteen years

ago when Terry started to focus on safety issues by promoting it in his company.

The driving force behind Terry's commitment is evident in the following

quote, At the end of the day, I want everyone to go home okay.

Croucher was inducted into the Safety Charter at a

ceremony in Springdale on Wednesday, March 24, where he was joined by community

members, WHSCC representatives, and a large number of his employees.

I invite all hon. members to join me in applauding

Terry and his company for their leadership in safety promotion.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for the District of Port au Port.

MR.

CORNECT:

Mr.

Speaker, I rise today in this hon. House to recognize the Rotary Club of

Stephenville for their determination to revive the Rotary Music Festival after a

one year break.

Under the leadership of Rosa Dollard, Debbie

Brake-Patten and Noreen Dwyer, a steering committee was formed to ensure that a

very successful festival was presented to showcase the diverse cultural fabric

of the area.

Although opportunity for youth in the community was the

main purpose of the Festival, categories for the 2014 Rotary Music Festival were

broadened this year to include musical demonstrations from the Bay St. George

Folk Arts Council.

Mr. Speaker, the winners of this year's Rotary Music

Festival were Stephen Eckert of Kippens, Rose Bowl winner and best in senior

piano; Stephenville Elementary Grade 5 Choir, best Choral; Claire St. Croix,

best instrumental; Stephenville Middle School, best band; St. Michael's School,

best choral speech; Emma Dunphy, best junior piano; and Emma Buckner, best

junior vocal.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members in this hon. House

to join with me in congratulating the Stephenville Rotary Club Music Festival

committee, the volunteers, and all the participants for their dedication and

hard work in this year's festival.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Bonavista North.

MR.

CROSS:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It challenges my cognitive ability today, Mr. Speaker,

to stand and select words appropriate to describe an event which happened a few

short days ago.

On May 3, dozens of senior high students converged on

the MUN Medicine's Neuroscience Department to compete for the honour of

representing Newfoundland and Labrador at the Canadian Institute of Health

Research's Brain Bee event at McMaster University.

The competition is a showcase of young neuroscientists

demonstrating their brain power about the human brain.

Pearson Academy's eleventh grade student Jane Cooze of

New-Wes-Valley was declared the provincial champion and she will represent our

Province on May 31 at Hamilton, Ontario.

She eagerly awaits the challenge.

Paraphrasing her words it's fascinating to study how the brain

connects and interprets electrical impulses that allow us to decode colour,

movement and emotion among all of the other stimuli it receives.

Memorial University's goal is to increase the number of

skilled and passionate students who want to study neuroscience, and possibly

make a career in research and development.

All hon. members, I ask that we rack our brains

together in unison to send best wishes for a successful Brain Storm Activity to

Jane Cooze.

Your old principal, Jane, is among your biggest fans!

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Cartwright L'Anse au Clair.

DEMPSTER:

Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, I rise in this hon. House to recognize two

very important organizations in my District of Cartwright L'Anse au Clair

Labrador South Home Care serving the communities of L'Anse au Clair to Red Bay

and Loving Hands Home Care, formally Northern Home Care Services, serving the

communities north of Red Bay to Cartwright.

This year, Labrador South Home Care is celebrating

thirty years of service while the Harbourview Manor, a seniors' home in Mary's

Harbour, is in its tenth year of operation.

Recognizing the need for seniors' care, Labrador South

Home Care was formed under a volunteer board of directors, employing one

co-ordinator and two employees.

Today, the organization employs more than twenty people, some of whom have been

with them since its inception.

The home care program was once solely funded with

government grants, but today in collaboration with government and client paid

funds, the program continues to grow.

However, the success of this program would not be possible without the

dedicated volunteers and staff who go beyond their call of duty to accommodate

their clients.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members to join me in

recognizing all home care workers across our entire Province who provide a

valuable service every day for our seniors.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for the District of Kilbride.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

DINN:

Mr.

Speaker, on March 8, the Harness Horse Owners Association held its dinner,

dance, and awards presentation at St. John's Racing and Entertainment Centre.

Approximately 100 people attended this ceremony.

After a fine meal, twenty-two awards were presented,

many dedicated to the memory of people who were instrumental in building and

keeping alive the harness racing industry in Newfoundland and Labrador.

The top award winners were Shane Forward and Terry

Williams with three awards each.

Shane was the driver of the year, the driver with the most money, and the top

driver in the forty-plus starts category.

Terry was the top trainer, the most improved driver, and the top driver

with twenty to thirty-nine starts.

The most gentlemanly driver was Wayne Williams.

Sheila Ivimey won the Dave MacRoberts Memorial Award for long-standing

dedication to harness racing. Scott

Forward was honoured as the trainer with the most wins and Aubrey Williams was

the top driver in the ten to nineteen start category.

Eight awards were presented to the horses.

The horse with the fastest time was Inspired Art with a time of two

minutes and one second.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members to join me in

congratulating all the award winners.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for St. John's North.

MR.

KIRBY:

Mr.

Speaker, today I would like to recognize the hard work and dedication of all the

volunteers who have committed their time to organizing the Prince of Wales

Collegiate Safe Grad this year.

On June 26 the last day of school no less than 219

Level III students in the class of 2014 will take

part in this year's Safe Grad

celebration. The committee assures

me that this will be a fabulous and unforgettable event for all the students and

their guests; however, in keeping with PWC's tradition, the exact details of the

event will remain secret until school closes next month.

This year, the PWC Safe Grad committee has managed to

raise close to $12,000 so far.

Members will no doubt recognize that this work takes a lot of organization and

volunteer commitment. Several dozen

parents and committee members have helped with the organizing this year.

Carol O'Keefe is co-ordinating the event, along with the fundraising

efforts; with Sandi Miller chairing the decorating committee; Mary Pumphrey

heading up the entertainment; and Georgina Downton leading the planning for food

and refreshments.

I ask all hon. members to join me in recognizing the

hard work of all of the Prince of Wales Collegiate Safe Grad committee

volunteers.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Statements by Ministers.

Statements by Ministers

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Public Engagement.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

KENT:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today in this hon. House to recognize a local

volunteer who was honoured last month in Ottawa and presented with the Governor

General's Caring Canadian Award, given to Canadians who selflessly dedicate

their time and energy to others.

As a student at Memorial University, Sophie Harrington

became a driving force with Enactus, a volunteer non-profit, international

organization which mobilizes university students to develop outreach projects

that improve the quality of life and standard of living for people in need.

Through Enactus, universities and colleges around the

world compete in regional and national competitions for the chance to

demonstrate the impact of their community projects at the world championship

each year. During her time at

Enactus, Sophie managed a team of seventy-three volunteers and twenty-three

projects, including Launch Pad, Canada's first student-run entrepreneurial

incubation centre, and Think Green, an initiative to help elementary school

students run their own recycling businesses.

Now, as an alumna of the program, she continues to

mentor the Memorial University team and sits on their Business Advisory Board,

and also Chairs their Alumni Advisory Board.

She continues to give back to the national organization as their

volunteer photographer and designer, and was Enactus Canada's Alumna of the

Year.

Sophie also serves on the volunteer board for Lakecrest

Independent School, has volunteered with TEDxSt. Johns, and sits on the

executive of Mile Zero Ultimate, St. John's Ultimate Frisbee League, where she

helped to grow its membership and assist it in developing a number of

initiatives to make ultimate frisbee safer and more accessible.

Mr. Speaker, recognizing the importance youth play in

helping to shape the future of Newfoundland and Labrador,

Budget 2014: Shared Prosperity, Fair Society, Balanced Outlook

provides approximately $640,000 in funding to more than thirty organizations

that support youth engagement activities and learning opportunities for young

people, and an additional $2.5 million has been allocated for thirty-four

Community Youth Networks across the Province.

These investments include our annual URock Volunteer

Awards, which honour youth and youth-led organizations.

The 2014 awards are taking place two days from now at the Glacier in the

great City of Mount Pearl I added that part.

Mr. Speaker, by celebrating the achievements of

Newfoundland and Labrador's young people, we are inspiring all residents to

contribute to the future growth and development of their communities.

I invite all members to join me in congratulating

Sophie Harrington for receiving the Governor General's Caring Canadian Award,

and for her dedication to giving back to her community.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for The Straits White Bay North.

MR.

MITCHELMORE:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I, too, thank the minister for an advance copy of his

statement. We all have an

entrepreneurial spirit. We have that

ability to inspire others to act so we can build in ourselves, in our families,

and in our communities a healthier, more prosperous, and stronger world.

I want to, on behalf of the Official Opposition, extend

big congratulations to Sophie Harrington on being a recipient of the Governor

General's Caring Canadian Award.

Sophie currently works at m5 and is developing and engaging campaigns

Province-wide, is very well educated with two degrees, has top individual

student award for academic leadership and commitment in the Faculty of Business,

highest marks in the graduating class for the Bachelor of Arts and Political

Science, and ranked on the dean's list from 2002 to 2007.

She is so very well rounded that her photography has been featured in

The Globe and Mail .

This type of passion and these types of ideas and

talents illustrate what youth are capable of at home, abroad, in a team, or on

their own. The best way for our

youth to succeed is to look at the real-world challenges that exist, how others

can gain financial security, how we can equip the unemployed to find the skills

to reach meaningful employment, help aspiring entrepreneurs, and bring economic

development like Enactus does to struggling neighbourhoods.

We need to look at developing team work, leadership,

and communication skills, and that only comes from real-life experience.

Government should consider the cuts it made to its abandoned Youth

Retention and Attraction Strategy, but it should also look at leaders like

Sophie if government plans to re-establish the Youth Advisory Committee to join

that.

Thank you.

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

The member's time has expired.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for St. John's East.

MR.

MURPHY:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would also like to thank the minister for the advance

copy of his statement today. How

proud we all are as Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, to know that Sophie

Harrington was this year's recipient of the Caring Canadians Award on the part

of the Governor General.

We have a lot of youth in this Province, Mr. Speaker,

who are out there who are shining examples, just like Sophie.

One example, just to bring up here in the House, I was down to the St.

John's City Council's ceremonies last week for the Mayor's Advisory Committee on

Youth and with all of the youth that were there who were eligible for this

award, they could only pick one.

There were a number of shining examples from the immediate St. John's area who

stood out, but there was only one winner at that particular time.

I would say that we have another Caring Canadian Award

that is going to be coming up, a future winner I will bring this to the

attention of the government in the form of a young gentleman by the name of

Darcy Taylor who also has an extensive resume, like that of Sophie Harrington.

Again, congratulations, on the part of our party, to

Sophie. We wish her all the best in

her future endeavours, as well as to the future winners.

Congratulations as well to government.

Keep putting that money towards youth.

We need it.

Thank you.

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

DALLEY:

Mr.

Speaker, I rise in this hon. House today to talk briefly about Newfoundland and

Labrador's official forest fire season.

The season began May 1 on the Island, and begins May 15 in Labrador.

It extends into late September.

The Newfoundland and Labrador forest industry employs

5,500 people through direct and indirect employment and is valued at $250

million annually. For economic,

social and cultural reasons, this tremendous resource must be protected.

The fire suppression team within the Department of

Natural Resources protects our natural resources, our communities, our homes,

and our residents from wildfires. In

2013, the fire suppression team responded to 101 fires throughout the Province,

the majority of which could have been prevented.

During the forest fire season, a permit to burn is

required, at no cost, for lighting outdoor fires for the purpose of clearing

land and burning brush within 300 metres of a forest.

At this time of the year, fine fuels such as dead

vegetation in fields and other open areas appear wet; however, they can dry and

burn in a matter of hours when conditions are right.

Fine fuels play a role in most of the fires responded to each year

because they ignite easily and can spread fire quickly.

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians use our forests for

hiking, camping, and other activity.

With this privilege comes the responsibility to take care of our forest

resource. The official start of

forest fire season is an appropriate time to remind residents to be careful when

they are in the woods.

Permits to burn and copies of the forest fire

regulations can be obtained at regional or district forest management offices

throughout the Province. The

lighting of fires for cooking and camping do not require a permit, but certain

forest fire regulations must be followed.

Mr. Speaker, our firefighters, incident management

team, air services pilots and maintenance crews and other staff members are to

be commended for their tremendous efforts.

I am confident in their ability to protect our forests, our property and

our people. We can help by being

careful.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Mount Pearl South.

MR.

LANE:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the minister for an advance copy of his

statement.

Mr. Speaker, this is certainly a timely statement.

We are getting into the time of year now where people are getting out and

about in the woods, whether it is camping, whether it is hiking, fishing,

hunting and so on. It is certainly

important for people to be mindful when we are out enjoying our great outdoors,

that we are mindful of our environment; not only do we make sure we leave it the

way we found it in terms of litter and so on, but also, Mr. Speaker, that we be

mindful of any campfires and so on that we may have in the woods while we are

enjoying it, so as to not destroy such a great resource that we are so lucky to

have here in this Province.

Mr. Speaker, I noted in the minister's statement he

talked about permits that you can pick up at the District Forest Management

Offices. I am not sure if these

permits are available online or not.

If they are not, I certainly would encourage the government to look at putting

them online.

Another point, Mr. Speaker, I noticed the minister in

his statement never mentioned the toll-free number that is out there.

So I am going to throw it out there.

There is a toll-free number to report forest fires 1-866-709-Fire, 3473.

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Third Party.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MICHAEL:

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I, too, thank the minister for the advance copy of his

statement.

I would like to recognize the firefighters, pilots,

maintenance crews and the incident management team for the work they do and the

way they do it. These are important

tasks carrying great responsibility and potential danger.

While I appreciate the minister saying he has

confidence in the firefighting services in our Province, I think there is more

that government should be doing to help prevent these fires.

I suggest that the minister look at beefing up public education regarding

what to do to prevent forest fires since the minister notes that most of the

fires last year could have been prevented.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

MR.

SPEAKER:

Oral Questions.

Oral Questions

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR.

BALL:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Government cancelled the contract with Humber Valley

Paving on March 21. This means the

window for a subcontractor to claim under the mechanics' lien was April 20.

Meanwhile, this story did not break in the media until April 28.

I ask the Premier: Since the window on the mechanics'

lien is closed, what process can subcontractors use now to get the money they

are owed by Humber Valley Paving?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

PREMIER MARSHALL:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, everyone involved in the construction

business, subcontractors, suppliers of labour and materials, all know that when

they perform their work on a contract or on a subcontract, a lien comes into

existence. The lien continues while

they are doing the work. Then when

they stop doing their work, the lien continues for another thirty days.

They do not have to do anything to get the lien, other than perform the

work or provide the material. Then

they have to file a mechanics' lien and that it keeps it going for a longer

period of time. Then they have to

start an action in the court, which keeps it going indefinitely until it is

resolved by the court.

Anyone who provides labour or materials would know that

it is thirty days after they provide the materials they have to file a

mechanics' lien. They know that, and

they would take the appropriate steps to protect their interest.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR.

BALL:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am sure the Premier knows that usually in these

situations when there is work ongoing let's not forget that this company asked

for an extension and was granted an extension on this contract which would have

ended July of 2014. Since the

contract was cancelled, this left many of the subcontractors, many small

businesses that were expected to continue doing work.

I ask the Premier: Since the window is now closed on

the mechanics' lien period, how are those subcontractors going to access the

money that you have held back from this contract?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

PREMIER MARSHALL:

Mr.

Speaker, as I said, anybody doing work on the project would know that they have

a time limit in which to file a mechanics' lien.

If they do not file their lien, they do not have priority.

Therefore, what they would have to do, if there is money owed to them

they would start an action in the Supreme Court and sue for the money that is

owed to them.

Every payment that the government made under the

contract, the government held back 10 per cent in Canada's lien holdback, and

the minister indicated the other day there is about $1.2 million in a mechanics'

lien holdback fund that is available for disbursement.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR.

BALL:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Not only did the subcontractor not know that this

contract was cancelled, but the Premier did not know that this contract was

cancelled. What I am referring to,

many of those small contractors were expecting to go back to work because this

contract was extended to July of this year.

By cancelling the contract, you closed that window.

On top of that, you did not get a sworn statutory declaration from the

company saying that everyone was paid.

I ask the Premier: What process can those small

contractors use now to get access to the holdback?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

PREMIER MARSHALL:

Mr.

Speaker, again, yes, I did not know until I think it was April 26 when I was

informed in Halifax Airport.

Mr. Speaker, if I had been involved in providing labour

and material to that project, I would know, as every contractor knows and

everybody involved in that business knows, they have a time limit in which they

want to file the lien. They watch

that very closely. If they are not

paid thirty days after they provide their last work and materials, then they

file a mechanics' lien and keep it going.

They would take whatever action they have to take, that they would

consider appropriate to protect their interests.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR.

BALL:

Under normal circumstances, if a government is going to cancel a contract which

is midstream, keep in mind, those contractors expected until July of 2014 for

this to happen.

Why did you not get a sworn statutory declaration to

protect the subcontractors?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

MCGRATH:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I explained that last week in the House

during Question Period. The company

itself would apply to have the mechanics' lien holdback released.

Before we will release the mechanics' lien holdback, we would then ask

them to supply us with a statutory declaration.

We do not apply for the declaration, they do.

We would not ask for that until they asked to have the mechanics' lien

holdback released. The company has

not done that, so therefore we would not ask for the statutory declaration until

they do ask for that.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR.

BALL:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Given the uncertainty around the payment for those

subcontractors, why wouldn't the minister ask for that sworn statutory

declaration today so we can protect those subcontractors?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

MCGRATH:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, again, we have the mechanics' lien in

place. We will continue to have that

lien holdback until they request that we release that.

Once they request a release of the holdback, then we will demand to have

the statutory declaration before we release the mechanics' lien holdback.

The $1.18 million will not be released until we get that statutory

declaration.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR.

BALL:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The minister has repeatedly referred to the legal staff

of legal advisors on this issue. He

keeps talking about that.

I ask the minister: What legal staff did you use?

Was it at your Department of Transportation and Works, or was it the

legal staff at the Department of Justice?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

MCGRATH:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, in the Department of Transportation and

Works we have one of the best legal advisors in the government.

We have him there; we deal with him on a day-to-day basis, as I said last

week.

We deal with contracts every day.

That is what the Department of Transportation and Works is all about,

dealing with contracts. We have a

legal advisor on our own staff who also gets legal advice from the Department of

Justice. We have a full complement

of legal advisors.

Mr. Speaker, I have to clarify something.

The Member for St. John's South brought up different contracts, talking

about contracts, and we deal with different contracts every day.

Two contracts he brought up and I will get up on the next question and

answer that.

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR.

BALL:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am just looking for some clarification on this issue

around a legal opinion.

I ask the minister: Was the Department of Justice

involved in the legal opinion on this specific contract?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

MCGRATH:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as I said, we have our own legal advisor

within the department who deals with us on a day-to-day basis and who also deals

with the Department of Justice on many of our contracts.

A lot of the contracts, if our legal advisor feels he needs more legal

advice, yes, he does go and get it.

As I was going to say, the Member for St. John's South

brought up two contracts. I do not

feel the House of Assembly

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

MR.

MCGRATH:

do not feel the House of Assembly is the right place to be talking about

individual contracts, but I have to clarify something that was said yesterday by

the Member for St. John's South. He

brought up a contract about brush cutting.

He compared that contract to the one we have been dealing with all week.

I want to clarify to the general public

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR.

BALL:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I ask the minister, just to be very simple.

It is a yes or no answer. Was

the Minister of Justice involved in this specific contract with Humber Valley

Paving on the Trans-Labrador Highway?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

MCGRATH:

Yes.

As I was saying, the Member for St. John's South

brought up

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

MR.

MCGRATH:

a contract on brush cutting and he compared it to the contract we have been

talking about now for over a week. I

want to clarify for the people who are here today and for the people in our

listening audience that the contractor with that brush cutting contract we did

not cancel that contract. That

contractor came into us. He

terminated his contract. Not only

that, Mr. Speaker, but once he terminated his contract we also found out they

had falsified documents that were necessary to get the contract, thus the

penalty of twelve months.

The other contract that was cancelled was cancelled by

the bonding agency.

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Virginia Waters.

C. BENNETT:

Mr.

Speaker, the Minister of Finance said at Budget time that her government has a

record they are very proud of and that they had a plan for strong fiscal

management.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

C. BENNETT:

You

have to question these statements knowing that last year this government spent

$84 million in consulting fees, $3 million more than they planned to spend on

the provincial roads program this year.

I ask the minister: Why are you spending so much money

on external consultants?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

JOHNSON:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I did say at Budget time that we do

have a sound track record when it comes to fiscal management.

We are very proud of our record.

We are very proud of the investments that we have made into education,

into health care, into Child, Youth and Family Services, and certainly into

roads.

Oftentimes, we do have expertise that we use within

government, very valuable expertise, we value our public service, we do not

question where lawyers come from or not come from, which department; but there

are times when you do go for outside expertise, which is also very valuable as

well.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Virginia Waters.

C. BENNETT:

Mr.

Speaker, $84 million is a significant amount of money.

That is more than the government spent on environment, fisheries, IBRD,

tourism, Newfoundland and Labrador Housing, and on roads in this fiscal year.

I ask the minister: What controls are in place to

measure the return on the money you are spending on external consultants?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

JOHNSON:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we have a very dedicated public service

that evaluates every single dollar that is spent in government.

We have a Treasury Board; we have Cabinet.

We make sure that every dollar is spent very wisely.

She seems to have an issue with the money we are

spending with external consultants.

Perhaps she could identify which specific area she would not have spent that

money and would not have invested in the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Virginia Waters.

C. BENNETT:

Mr.

Speaker, this government has talked about competencies within the public service

time and time again, and I would totally agree that we have many talented people

working in the public sector. Even

yesterday the Minister of Transportation talked about the great work they do

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

C. BENNETT:

ask the minister: Why are you paying so much money to external consultants

instead of relying on your own internal experts?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

JOHNSON:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

There are oftentimes when a need comes up for an

external consultant; in fact, one I can think of most recently is where we hired

a consultant to look at a review of how to spend money better in government.

That $3 million contract brought $20 million in savings to the Treasury,

Mr. Speaker. Is she suggesting that

we not do that and not find ways to save money?

Again, I ask the member to table, to specify, which

particular contract she would not have done to improve services and to improve

everyday life for the people of the Province, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

MR.

JOYCE:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I say to the minister, save the $500,000 on the

radiation, because the minister already announced we need two machines in Corner

Brook now, as I have been saying for years.

Mr. Speaker, officials from Transportation and Works

contacted the Official Opposition office prior to Budget 2014 requesting the top

three priorities for a transportation capital works project in each Liberal

district.

I ask the minister: Can you provide an update on the

status of these requests?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

MCGRATH:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, during the Budget process every year, we

do suggest that MHAs give us their top priorities to roadwork that they feel is

the top priorities in their districts.

We get that from all forty-eight, and then the officials within the

department will sit down and they put them all together.

We look through them to prioritize them from there, and then we will send

out notices to all of the MHAs as to what work will be done within this year.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

MR.

JOYCE:

Mr.

Speaker, the minister has touted his efforts about getting tenders out early for

capital projects, but we have yet to see any announcements for districts on this

side of the House.

I ask the minister: When can we expect to see

announcements of work in Liberal districts, or does the early tendering process

only apply to PC districts in this Province?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

MCGRATH:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I empathize with the member across the way.

Obviously, he only listens to the news that he wants to hear.

On March 28, I announced that a tender would be called for road

improvement initiatives throughout Western Newfoundland; some include areas

represented by the member opposite.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

MCGRATH:

There is no basis for the Opposition's claim here whatsoever.

Some of the ones, just to go down through them, repairs

to sections of Ring Road in Corner Brook district across the way.

Route 430, Deer Lake to Cormack I believe that is in a district across

the way you are welcome. Route

440, at Hughes Brook Hill and Pond Road from Rocky Harbour to Norris Point, you

are welcome. Repairs also included

for Route 420

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

MR.

JOYCE:

Mr.

Speaker, announcements are not tenders.

They announced the hospital in 2007; there are still no tenders for it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

MR.

JOYCE:

I ask the minister: When are you going to treat the roads in the Liberal

districts, which are unsafe, the same as you do the members opposite in the PC

districts and call the tenders so we can get the work done this year?

Just because you said you are going to do it, does not mean you are.

When will they be called?

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

MCGRATH:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, Route 420, Jackson's Arm intersection;

Route 421, upgrade to a

section of Gallants Road; Route 403.

I will end by giving the Member for Cartwright L'Anse au Clair a good

reason to be smiling across the way, a big tender coming out for eighty

kilometres from Lodge Bay going towards

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

MR.

MCGRATH:

Cartwright Junction, a Liberal district.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Cartwright L'Anse au Clair.

DEMPSTER:

Mr.

Speaker, I have to tell the member across the way something we are not smiling

about today. On the eve of one of

the busiest weekends of the year, we see the ferry service across the Strait of

Belle Isle once again disrupted due to lack of icebreaker assistance.

I ask the minister: What is your department doing to

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

DEMPSTER:

restore this vital service across the Strait of Belle Isle?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

MCGRATH:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as we all know and I have said it several

times, this has been a very harsh, long, hard winter, especially with the ferry

systems throughout the whole Province.

We have had to deal with extreme ice conditions, Marine Atlantic

included. Not just the Newfoundland

ferry system but Marine Atlantic, several days where the ice was too thick to

get through. We are experiencing

that.

I think the member across the way from Cartwright

L'Anse au Clair has to acknowledge that I have certainly done my best to get the

ferry running on a regular basis between St. Barbe and Blanc-Sablon again.

Unfortunately, I have no control over the ice.

If I did, trust me, there would be palm trees growing in St. Barbe right

now. We have no control over the

Coast Guard with the icebreakers.

That is federal jurisdiction, but we will continue to (inaudible).

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Cartwright L'Anse au Clair.

DEMPSTER:

Mr.

Speaker, we just heard my colleague talk about $83 million for consultants,

$4,000 or $5,000 for a tea party, and $1,200 for a Twin Otter across the

Straits. Mr. Speaker, people are

missing medical appointments, commercial traffic is at a standstill, and

businesses are suffering. There are

no air seats available, everybody is stranded.

Why are the people dependent on this service, primarily

the people of Labrador, consistently treated differently than anywhere else in

the Province? One hundred thousand

people a year rely on this service.

Why is she going to Corner Brook and doing a crew change and fueling up?

Why are you not lobbying the federal government to make sure that is done

down in St. Barbe so we are not continuously disrupted for days on end?

We are the only place in the Province where that continues to happen, Mr.

Speaker.

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

MCGRATH:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, again, the contract for the ferry service

from Blanc-Sablon to St. Barbe deals quite often on weather conditions.

I think it was about three or four years ago that this government we

have been monitoring it for the last decade as to whether or not year-round

service was available. The weather

conditions had changed quite a bit and so we did put in a year-round service,

but that year-round service is put in on weather permitted.

As I said, this has been a harsh winter.

When you put in a service like that, you also put in

the infrastructure to provide services, such as refueling services, in the best

possible positions. That is what we

have done.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for St. John's South.

MR.

OSBORNE:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, May 24 weekend is upon us and many

families will be heading out to the provincial parks for the first weekend of

the season. Camping is certainly a

family affair for all people of all ages.

I ask the minister responsible: What family programming

will be offered at our provincial parks for this coming season?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

SHEA:

Mr.

Speaker, our parks are opening this weekend and there are many people who take

advantage of being able to spend some quiet time with their families in these

beautiful parks throughout Newfoundland and Labrador.

The people who use these parks, along with the staff in the parks, can

determine how they would like to spend their time and what activities they would

like to participate in, but I certainly think everyone who takes the time to

have their families out there for the weekend will certainly have a very

enjoyable experience.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for St. John's South.

MR.

OSBORNE:

Mr.

Speaker, the park

interpretation was discontinued in last year's Budget without

notification, slipped under the radar, and will not be offered in our provincial

parks again this season. That means

no programming for children, no movies, no crafts, no guided hikes, no

educational sessions, and no

interpretation.

I ask the minister: Why would you downgrade the parks

to eliminate such vital programming?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

SHEA:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, many families and many individuals take

the opportunity to enjoy the parks we have throughout Newfoundland and Labrador

and have wonderful experiences when they go there.

While they are in the parks, they are able to use the natural areas we

have there, whether it means they are going to do some canoeing or some boating,

they are going to do hiking. They

are going to have times with their families and their friends, whatever they

would like to participate in. The

services are there for the people to enjoy.

I know I have been in the parks myself.

Many people bring in lots of equipment, what they would like to use, and

how they like to spend their time in the parks.

They will go there again this year, Mr. Speaker.

They will have every opportunity to use the services that are there to

use, whether they bring their bicycles, their canoes, their kayaks, or whatever

they like, Mr. Speaker. They will

certainly be able to have an enjoyable (inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for St. John's South.

MR.

OSBORNE:

Mr.

Speaker, there are no park organized

interpretational services any more.

That government cut it out.

Both provincial and private parks across the Province have seen a resurgence in

family camping.

Now that you see the drastic effect of these cuts on

our provincial parks and the camping experience, I ask the minister: Will you

reinstate the

interpretation programs at our provincial parks?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

SHEA:

Mr.

Speaker, when people visit our parks, when people take their children out or

individuals go out, they are able to enjoy what is there and what is offered,

whether they go on hikes. I know in

Barachois Park they can hike the mountain that is there.

There are ponds and lakes.

They can canoe, kayak, or take their bicycles.

Mr. Speaker, there are even people I have been in campers where they

have the best of technology, watching movies and TV, something that you would

not unless you go and see that these are big, expensive campers with that.

It is not just tenting any more.

Mr. Speaker, whether you are in a tent, or whether you

are in a modern camper and you bring your family there, they can have a very

worthwhile experience. They can use

the parks for what they have to offer and they will certainly enjoy that

experience, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Leader of the Third Party.

MICHAEL:

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

More and more people are grappling with the challenge

of ensuring their elderly loved ones are getting proper care.

I ask the Minister of Health and Community Services: In

the spirit of openness and accountability, will he post online regular, timely

updates of wait-lists for long-term care beds under the four regional

authorities?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

DAVIS:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the member of the Third Party for her question

today. Long-term care is a matter

and a focus. It has been a focus for

our government for many years. In

fact, in 2012 we released a ten-year strategy that was focused on Close to Home,

a long-term strategy care for long-term care and community support services.

I can tell you that since her question yesterday, I

went back to the department and had a closer look at the numbers, the demand for

long-term care. I can tell you part

of the strategy that we are engaged in is a strategy to improve services to the

aging and seniors and people before they reach the need for long-term care, so

we can extend the period of time before they actually need to go into long-term

care, assist them and promote a higher and better quality of life for them prior

to the need to go to long-term care.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Leader of the Third Party.

MICHAEL:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I really would appreciate knowing what those programs

are. It certainly is not home care.

Mr. Speaker, in response to my concern regarding a

vulnerable patient moved to Long Pond away from family and community support,

the minister responded by noting the drive to Long Pond is only sixteen minutes.

I ask the minister: Is he not aware that many seniors

on fixed incomes can neither afford cars or $100 round-trip taxi rides, and

there is no public transportation available?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

DAVIS:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I think it is important to clarify some of the

information that the member opposite has been referring to.

I know last night, while she was on one of the radio call-in shows, she

referred to it as Long Harbour; as a matter of fact, she did that two or three

times. I am sure she is talking

about Long Pond as part of Conception Bay South.

Conception Bay South boundaries the City of St. John's

boundary; you can leave the City of St. John's and enter directly into

Conception Bay South. They are

literally next door to each other.

I can assure the member opposite, and assure the people

of the House, and the people of Newfoundland and Labrador that through long-term

care we make every effort to ensure that when a person reaches a stage in life

where they are required to enter into a long-term care circumstance, that it is

done as close to their home as it possibly can, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Leader of the Third Party.

MICHAEL:

Yes, I am speaking about Long Pond, but we have to look at individual

situations, which the government is not doing.

Last year the Minister of Health announced the opening

of the protective community residence in Bonavista, which allows people with

mild dementia to live independently, adding to those built or planned in

Lewisporte, Corner Brook, and Clarenville.

I ask the minister: What is his department's plan for

providing protective community residences for people with mild dementia in other

parts of the Province?

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

DAVIS:

Thank you again, Mr. Speaker.

This is a very important conservation and debate that

we are having here in the House today.

I can tell you that there has been a tremendous amount of work done in

the development of the ten-year strategy.

As I referred to, there was a very comprehensive process of consultation

with seniors. I can tell you, we

strongly value the input of seniors.

We value the work that they do in their own communities.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

DAVIS:

value the work that organized groups do within their own communities throughout

Newfoundland and Labrador as well, because they all contribute to the quality of

life of the people of the Province and the seniors of the Province.

We will continue to invest in those types of

organizations. We will continue to

invest in programs throughout Newfoundland and Labrador.

We will also continue to invest in the needs for infrastructure.

We look at the long-term needs for long-term care

throughout the Province and I can tell you, even though the population is

rising, those numbers will stay

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

The hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.

ROGERS:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As I predicted, the new group home in Stephenville will

not be ready by government's May 19 target date.

The lives of the youth in care have been thrown into utter chaos.

I ask the minister: Why did he not have a plan to

ensure a smooth transition for the moving of these vulnerable young people?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Child, Youth and Family Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

JACKMAN:

Mr.

Speaker, at the present time the service provider is indeed seeking to work with

the town to find a suitable placement for these youth.

I would certainly encourage all involved to recognize the challenge that

these young people face. I certainly

hope that the provider and the community can find the agreement that will see

that service provided to these youth.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.

ROGERS:

Mr.

Speaker, five days from now is the deadline and they do not even have a house

bought, let alone furnished, let alone renovated and rezoned and staff hired and

set up and ready to receive these youth.

Mr. Speaker, government's callous, ill-thought-out decision to privatize

the care of the Province's most vulnerable youth is failing even before it

begins.

I ask the minister: Why is the bottom line more

important than our moral and legal obligation to provide quality rehabilitation

in a safe environment for our most vulnerable youth?

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Child, Youth and Family Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

JACKMAN:

Mr.

Speaker, a term that I used before, I am not going to let the NDP think that

they are the only ones who have a monopoly on caring.

They are not the only ones who have a monopoly on caring.

Mr. Speaker, to suggest that our bottom line is dollars

and putting that ahead of the care for children, that is despicable.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

MR.

JACKMAN:

That is totally, totally despicable.

Mr. Speaker, these homes, they will find their way

forward. If there is a further

timeline required, we will look at that.

At this particular time, there are teams that are in place, they are

making the provisions, they will do the transition, and we will make that as

smooth as possible.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for St. John's Centre, for a quick question without

preamble.

ROGERS:

Mr.

Speaker, I ask the minister: How can the privatized rate of $13 an hour, a

babysitter's rate, attract experienced specialized care?

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Child, Youth and Family Services, for a quick response.

MR.

JACKMAN:

Mr.

Speaker, I can only speak to the reputation of Blue sky.

If she is questioning the service that they provide, I would ask her to

take that up with the service provider.

We are not questioning it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Time for Question Period has expired.

Presenting Reports by Standing and Select Committees.

Tabling of Documents.

Notices of Motion.

Notices of Motion

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Government House Leader.

MR.

KING:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I give notice, under Standing Order 11, I shall move

that the House do not adjourn at 5:30 p.m. on Thursday, May 15, 2014.

Further, I give notice, under Standing Order 11, I

shall move that the House do not adjourn at 10:00 p.m. on Thursday, May 15,

MR.

SPEAKER:

Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given.

Petitions.

Petitions

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Burgeo La Poile.

MR.

A. PARSONS:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I have a petition.

To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and

Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents

humbly sheweth:

WHEREAS private and community ambulance operators

provide ambulatory and paramedic services to the residents of Newfoundland and

Labrador and are compensated for these services by the Government of

Newfoundland and Labrador; and

WHEREAS the contract for ambulance operators expired in

March of 2012; and

WHEREAS the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador

completed a review of ambulatory services in the Province, which review was

completed August 2013, and released in October 2013;

WHEREAS ambulance operators agreed to hold off from

negotiations with government until the ambulance review was complete, and showed

good faith; and

WHEREAS government's current position in negotiations

has been heavy handed, and will see cuts in ambulance services across the

Province;

WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly

pray and call upon the House to urge the government to negotiate a fair deal

with ambulance operators that ensures the safety of our ambulance professionals,

as well as the patients in our Province.

As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.

Now, Mr. Speaker, this is one that I have presented on

one prior occasion here in the House, but I am going to have to continue to

present it because this issue will not go away.

You have a number of concerned individuals here.

Primarily, you have ambulance operators who are sitting there, and we

know that government is playing a divide and conquer game with them.

We asked questions in the House of Assembly Estimates session, and of

course it was all deferred to Finance, even though we know that the department

has actually been having the negotiations with the operators.

So it is divide and conquer there.

We have the paramedics themselves who are left out in

the wind because they have no say in this.

They could not really participate in the review because they were not

given the opportunity. They were

told to come on in, drive on your own dime and on your own time, to contribute

to this. We did not go out and get

what they had to say.

At the end of the day, we have the people of these

communities especially in rural Newfoundland and Labrador, and I especially

have them out in my district that are here, they are going to have less

emergency coverage when it comes to ambulance services.

That is not something that any of us should have to deal with.

We have a government that sits here and tries to

obfuscate, they try to confuse the matter and talk about routine services, but

when it is not routine is what we are talking about.

We are talking about emergency services and red alerts.

A red alert is when there is absolutely no coverage in an emergency

situation. We have it.

It is too bad as it is; it is only going to get worse.

Unfortunately, I believe with this government we are

going to see a situation where they react rather than be proactive, and it is

going to result in a detrimental, serious consequence, possibly including death,

to one of our residents. It is

absolutely unfortunate that this government continues to play this game with

this group. We are asking them to

play fair; negotiate a contract that works for the people of this Province.

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

MR.

A. PARSONS:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for the District of Bay of Islands.

MR.

JOYCE:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I stand today, Mr. Speaker:

WHEREAS we are concerned over the deplorable conditions

of the pavement of Hughes Brook hill Route 440; and

WHEREAS many residents of the Towns of Hughes Brooks,

Irishtown-Summerside, Meadows, Gillams, McIvers, and Cox's Cove travel this road

on a daily basis; and

WHEREAS after repeated requests for repairs in the

pavement, the road has continued to deteriorate; and

WHEREAS the ruts in the pavement are creating a safety

hazard; and

WHEREAS we feel that the condition of the road presents

an accident waiting to happen;

WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly

pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge the Government of Newfoundland

and Labrador to give serious consideration of making repairs to this road.

Mr. Speaker, today we have a petition from a lot of

people from Meadows concerning the road.

I asked questions today in the House of Assembly.

The minister stood up with a flippant answer that he already made the

announcement.

Mr. Speaker, an announcement is not a tender.

The minister can stand up and play the games, whatever game he wants

because if the tender is not called soon the work will not be done.

There have been a number of accidents out in these ruts.

It is a major concern, it is a safety concern.

It is a bluff.

There is no doubt it is a bluff when you look at all this here.

If I change my name to Eddie Coleman would I get it done in six days?

Mr. Speaker, that is the kind of condition we are getting.

PREMIER MARSHALL:

not smear the Coleman's (inaudible).

MR.

JOYCE:

Here is the Premier now all upset.

Mr. Premier, you are talking about smearing someone's company, I am talking

about the safety of the people in the North Shore.

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

Direct your comments to the Chair, please.

MR.

JOYCE:

am talk about the people of the North Shore.

I will do whatever I have to do to get that work done, Mr. Speaker.

I am worried about people's lives here.

The Premier can say what he likes to me, Mr. Speaker, I

am smearing some company. If that is

what it takes for me to get this work done, I will get the work done.

If the Premier drove out the North Shore drive on

that road. Go speak with the

councils where last year it was supposed to be done and not done.

This year the minister said we already made the announcement.

If you do not get the tender done, it may not be done this year.

If it is not done this year, you are putting lives at danger.

Do not ask me to sit down and not speak on this, I say

to the Premier. I ask this, and the

Premier said I am smearing the Coleman family.

How about the people who had an accident last week over in Hughes Brook?

Why aren't you concerned about the people who went off the road because

of the ruts? Be concerned about the

residents. Be concerned about them,

because I am.

If it takes me to stand here every day with a petition,

I say to the Premier, I will do it because I am not worried about some company.

I am worried about lives.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.

ROGERS:

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of

Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the

undersigned residents of Newfoundland and Labrador humbly sheweth:

WHEREAS the Family Violence Intervention Court provided

a comprehensive approach to domestic violence in a court setting that fully

understood and dealt with the complex issues of domestic violence; and

WHEREAS domestic violence continues to be one of the

most serious issues facing our Province today

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

ROGERS:

and the cost of the impact of domestic violence is great both economically and

in human suffering; and

WHEREAS the Family Violence Intervention Court was

welcomed and endorsed by all aspects of the Justice system including the police,

the courts, prosecutors, defence counsel, Child, Youth and Family Services, as

well as victims, offenders, community agencies and women's groups; and

WHEREAS the recidivism rate for offenders going through

the court was 10 per cent compared to 40 per cent for those who did not; and

WHEREAS the budget for the court was only 0.2 per cent

of the entire budget of the Department of Justice;

WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly

pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge government to reinstate the

Family Violence Intervention Court.

As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, I would ask the members perhaps listen.

It is my chance to speak.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Oh,

oh!

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

I ask members to take all of their private

conversations outside the Chamber.

The Speaker has acknowledged the Member for St. John's Centre who is delivering

a petition. I would ask all other

members to hold their speeches until they are recognized by the Speaker.

The hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.

ROGERS:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I am standing speaking on behalf every

one of these signatures are people from Corner Brook, who know how important the

Family Violence Intervention Court is.

They actually want it extended to make sure it is available to people all

over the Province because they know.

They are experts. They know the

Family Violence Intervention Court worked.

Mr. Speaker, during Estimates for the Department of

Justice and the government keeps saying it was a budgetary decision we found

millions of dollars that were unspent last year and moved to other unintended

expenses, millions of dollars. We

are talking about $500,000. It is

about, actually, in some cases saving the lives of women and children.

Why is this government not reversing this decision?

They know it is the right thing to do.

Is it because it is about saving face?

This is not my Family Violence Intervention Court.

This was a Family Violence Intervention Court that belonged to the people

of the Province and was endorsed by every conceivable stakeholder who works in

the area of violence against women.

What is wrong with this government that they cannot take the highroad on this?

They have a moral and a legal obligation to provide services for women

and children who are victims of family violence.

What is stopping them besides their own hubris?

This is criminal, Mr. Speaker.

It is absolutely criminal.

Thank you very much.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Cartwright L'Anse au Clair.

DEMPSTER:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of

Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the

undersigned humbly sheweth:

WHEREAS the Strait of Bell Isle is a very important

transportation link between Labrador and the Island of Newfoundland; and

WHEREAS both commercial and residential traffic is

continuously increasing because of the opening of the Trans Labrador Highway and

increased development in Labrador; and

WHEREAS the existing ferry service can no longer

effectively handle the traffic; and

WHEREAS there have been many interruptions in the ferry

service, especially during the 2014 winter season;

WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly

pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge the Government of Newfoundland

and Labrador to complete a comprehensive feasibility study for a fixed link

across the Strait of Bell Isle that would include a geological assessment and a

full cost analysis.

As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, there were many, many issues ongoing this

winter with the ice in the Labrador Straits.

Hatch Mott MacDonald back in 2004, Mr. Speaker, did a preliminary study

which identified that a fixed link would be a viable option once Route 138 was

completed. Until that is done, a

fixed link that joins our Province with the rest of the country and we have a

permanent transportation system in place, we cannot consider ourselves equal to

the rest of the country.

It goes far beyond that.

Right now, Mr. Speaker, businesses in the district are impacted with

this. I just talked to a business

with six trucks sitting on the other side in St. Barbe stranded.

When you make reservations in advance, when the ferry moves in three days

now, they will only be able to get one piece on.

Mr. Speaker, this winter there have been days on end

when you could not buy a carton of milk in the district.

We are talking about 30,000 people.

We are talking about 100,000 passengers who move on this ferry every

year.

We know back when the former Premier was there, Mr.

Speaker, I have quotes from the Globe and

Mail where he said what needs to happen now is Quebec needs to complete 138

and Newfoundland needs to construct a fixed link.

Yet, Mr. Speaker, we know when Quebec responded that they were

interested, the Newfoundland and Labrador Administration at that time changed

and there was no follow up done.

This has been a very trying year for marine traffic.

Mr. Speaker, a fixed link will reduce the cost of

goods. It will impact everybody in

the Province. Right now, we know

that the NL consumer association is saying that everyone in the Province is

paying between 4 per cent and 25 per cent more for their product because of the

delays, the costs, and the spoilage due to the present ferry system.

In a completed feasibility study, the key thing will

identify that present subsidies being paid by this government, by the Quebec

government, and the federal government over a twenty year (inaudible)

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

The member's time has expired.

The hon. the Member for The Straits White Bay North.

MR.

MITCHELMORE:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of

Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the

undersigned residents of Newfoundland and Labrador humbly sheweth:

WHEREAS Route 438 is the primary highway for residents

of Grandois, St. Julien's and Croque; and

WHEREAS the current gravel road conditions are

dangerous for travel, given size of potholes and debris embedded in the road;

and

WHEREAS it is government's obligation to provide basic

infrastructure to Newfoundlanders and Labradorians; and

WHEREAS this is the primary link for residents to

health care and essential services and the enhancement is needed for safety

reasons.

We, the undersigned, petition the House of Assembly to

urge government to allocate funds under the provincial roads maintenance program

to upgrade this

section of Route 438.

As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, I talked about this particular road in the

district; it is about thirty kilometres.

It is a former woods road, basically, where there are tree stumps, former

logs, that have had gravel thrown over it and they are starting to reappear.

The petitioners here are not asking to have these

thirty kilometres of road paved.

They are just asking for, on a continuous basis, especially in the spring, to

have maintenance happen so that here are improvements because they do have to

travel this road on a daily regular basis.

Many of the workers here commute to Main Brook or they commute to Conche

to work in fish plant processing facilities there.

All their other services, all the business, all the commerce, all the

government services take place outside of their community.

They would like to commend what the Department of

Transportation and Works has already done. They have already put different mud

and silt patch down and a little bit of rock, but there needs to be more done.

There needs to be that commitment, that we do have the stone there, that

we can do regular maintenance to these gravel roads that have a small population

and need to see that improvement.

So I am putting this petition forward based on

petitioners in my district, in Croque, Grandois and St. Julien's.

I think that it is a small marginal cost when you look at maintaining a

basic piece of infrastructure. I am

not talking for asphalt here this in particular case, just regular upgrades and

maintenance to their road.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Mount Pearl South.

MR.

LANE:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

A petition to the hon. House of Assembly of the

Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of

the undersigned residents humbly sheweth:

WHEREAS there are extreme overcrowding issues in St.

Peter's Elementary and Mount Pearl Senior High; a direct result of poor planning

by the Department of Education; and

Board to deal with this now crisis situation will have a devastating impact on

many students, families and teachers in Mount Pearl Senior High, Mount Pearl

Intermediate, St. Peter's Elementary, and Newtown Elementary; and

WHEREAS there are other less disruptive solutions which

can be introduced to alleviate this overcrowding issue, primarily capital

investment as a preferred option; and

the financial flexibility by the Minister of Education to explore more suitable

options; and

WHEREAS the government has intervened in board

decisions in the past, such as in 2005 in Bishop's Falls during a by-election

where they reversed the closure of Leo Burke Academy;

WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly

pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge the Government of Newfoundland

and Labrador to intervene in this matter, commit appropriate resources to the

As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, I am after presenting this petition now a

number of times, and I have many more to present.

Almost on a daily basis, I am getting more petitions coming in.

As a matter of fact, I have to meet with a young student in my district

this evening that has a number of them he wants to present to me as it relates

to this particular issue.

Mr. Speaker, as I have said in the past, this need not

have happened. Had the Department of

Education and certainly the then Eastern School District acted upon the

overcrowding concerns over the last number of years instead of just letting it

slide, letting it slide, letting it slide to the point now where we have all the

speciality space taken up at St. Peter's Elementary, all of the speciality space

taken up at Mount Pearl Senior High, we have had to chop it all up into

classroom space. Now, even with that

done, we have even more kids coming and nowhere to put them.

Now we are hearing, of course, that in addition to St. Peter's Elementary

being all chopped up to pieces, now this solution is going to see Newtown

Elementary likewise, chopped up into pieces.

That is definitely not acceptable, Mr. Speaker.

The wrong decision was made here.

I am calling upon the new Minister of Education to do the right thing.

I am calling upon the new Minister of Education to actually listen to the

students, to actually listen to the teachers, to actually listen to the parents

and the families in Mount Pearl, do the right thing, intervene in this matter,

have this decision revisited and provide the appropriate funding so that the

board can make some sensible decisions.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Government House Leader.

MR.

KING:

Mr.

Speaker, as per Standing Order 32, Orders of the Day, I move, seconded by the

Minister of Environment and Conservation, that the House now move to Orders of

the Day.

MR.

SPEAKER:

has been moved and seconded that we now move to Orders of the Day.

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Aye.

MR.

SPEAKER:

All

those against, nay'.

Motion carried.

Orders of the Day.

Orders of the Day

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Government House Leader.

MR.

KING:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Pursuant to Standing Order 11, I move, seconded by the

Minister of Environment and Conservation, that the House not adjourn at 5:30

p.m. today, Tuesday, May 13, 2014.

MR.

SPEAKER:

has been moved and seconded that this House do not adjourn at 5:30 p.m. on

Tuesday, May 13, 2014.

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Aye.

MR.

SPEAKER:

All

those against, nay'.

Motion carried.

The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR.

KING:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Once again, pursuant to Standing Order 11, I move,

seconded by the Minister of Child, Youth and Family Services, that the House not

adjourn at 10:00 p.m., Tuesday, May 13, 2014.

MR.

SPEAKER:

has been moved and seconded that this House do not adjourn at 10:00 p.m. on

Tuesday, May 13, 2014.

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Aye.

MR.

SPEAKER:

All

those against, nay'.

Motion carried.

The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR.

KING:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Under second reading of a bill, I call from the Order

Paper, Order 9, second reading of

An Act To Amend The Student Financial

Assistance Act, Bill 16.

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills.

MR.

O'BRIEN:

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of Environment and

Conservation, that Bill 16,

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance

Act, be read a second time.

MR.

SPEAKER:

is moved and seconded that Bill 16,

An Act To Amend The Student Financial

Assistance Act, be now read a second time.

Motion, second reading of a bill,

An Act To Amend The

Student Financial Assistance Act.

(Bill 16)

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills.

MR.

O'BRIEN:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am happy to get up in my place in regard to this

amendment. It is a piece of

housekeeping; in essence, that is exactly what it is.

We have, over the last number of years, done some substantial things for

our students in Newfoundland and Labrador, all in the post-secondary side, Mr.

Speaker, in regard to Memorial University, the Marine Institute, the College of

the North Atlantic, and as well in the private sector.

Some of the areas we have invested, which one of them

was highlighted in this Budget, were the reducing of student debt in that we are

now going to convert all student loans to grants over the next two years.

That will be about a $14.7 million investment over those two years and

approximately $50.6 million over the next five years.

Mr. Speaker, as I just said as well, about 7,000

students will avail of the upfront grants.

We have invested in regard to the tuition freeze.

Again this year we invested about $5.1 million to continue the tuition

freeze. That has put the total

investment of the provincial government, since 2005, at the total of about $283

million to maintain that tuition freeze in Newfoundland and Labrador.

That puts us as leaders in the country in regard to how we supported our

students, and how we have engaged our youth.

That is not referencing what we have done in regard to

the labour market training programs that we have.

It is mainly populated in regard to student population by youth in our

Province, Mr. Speaker, who would avail of those particular programs in CNA and

the private colleges to become skilled tradespeople in the Province, and avail

of the opportunities and the economic growth that we see in our Province.

In saying all that, Mr. Speaker, in regard to those

investments and this one in particular, there is the $14.7 million investment

over the next two years with a $50.6 million investment over the five years.

It is incumbent on us as a government to protect the money that we spend.

In this case here, this amendment will enable us to draft some

regulations around the particular amendment and put some policies in place to

address that issue. That is the

protection of the investment that we have made in our students.

Most of the 7,000 students who will receive the upfront

grants will make great use of them.

Most of them, if not all of them, when they receive it and we are going to try

to get that very soon after they attend the particular post-secondary education

facility that they would choose to further their education, they will actually

get that very quickly. As a matter

of fact, within the first week that they actually come to St. John's or if they

are from St. John's that they register.

Then they will spend that money, Mr. Speaker.

We must remember that most of the cost to a student is

in the first couple of weeks after they get here in regard to Memorial

University. They have to buy

textbooks. They have to buy certain

things they need in regard to pursuing their education.

They have to invest in probably a laptop or whatever it may be, Mr.

Speaker. The bottom line of what I

am saying is the amount they get in regard to that grant is usually spent within

the first number of days that they get here.

In saying that, Mr. Speaker, we might have a number of

those students who might for some reason or another decide university is not

right for me, I do not want to be at this.

So off they go and they do not pursue a post-secondary education.

We have to have an ability to recover that grant.

It is really important for a number of reasons why we should recover that

grant.

Number one is the student should not have it because

the student is not in school. The

second thing is when we recover it, it enables us to revert that number into the

pot again and service more students, other students who might avail of that

grant as well. So we recover the

money, it goes back into the pot and is reverted into the system again to other

students we might want to cover off.

It is very important that this is clearly understood.

The other piece at this time that I want to reference

is and I (inaudible) my officials.

I want to make absolutely sure that when we develop those regulations and

policies, that there is a mechanism in place for appeal.

Because there might be some extenuating circumstances where a student

might not be able to go forward.

They might be diagnosed with some type of a sickness and might have to suspend

their intention in regard to pursuing a particular post-secondary education

faculty, and then decide they might come back at a later time when they are in

better health.

I think that particular person should have the

mechanism in place where they should not have to pay.

Because they would not have foreseen such a circumstance that they would

have a challenge in regard to pursuing their dreams.

I think we should be able to help them.

So I made sure that an appeal process was in place.

It is important to point out as well, Mr. Speaker, that

this amendment only deals with creating legislative authority to develop that

regulatory process and required policies to enable us to recover that amount of

money. I do not anticipate for a

second, Mr. Speaker, there is going to be a whole lot of action in regard to

recovery process. I think

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, our students in the high school system are

absolutely pursuing their careers and their dreams.

I see that all the time. I

think there are more and more of our graduates coming out of the high school

programs, going into the college system, or going into Memorial University,

Marine Institute. Our numbers are

up, and I see it day-in, day-out.

It is great to actually go to a graduation or a prom or

a cap-and-gown ceremony. Actually,

when they are announcing the person's name walking across the stage, in my case,

in Gander, that is done the Christmas after.

They have already done one semester in their chosen career path and they

mention where they are. It is great

to be able to sit, listen, and see these people with the expressions on their

face as they go across that stage.

Not only are they proud to have achieved what they have achieved in their high

school programs, but as well they have gone on to the post-secondary side and

they are pursuing that particular dream they have.

Mr. Speaker, I am not going to talk too long on this

particular amendment. I think in my

mind we have invested heavily in regard to our students.

We have engaged with our students right across this Province.

As a matter of fact, I have met with the student body on maybe three or

four occasions since October alone.

I like to listen to what they say.

They give me suggestions in regard to what they see as their challenges and what

I could do as the minister responsible for post-secondary education to relieve

some of those challenges.

One of the things I heard loud and clear was that they

need loans converted to grants. That

would reduce their debt tremendously and give them an opportunity at life.

Coming out of the system with less debt, they are able to pursue their

other dreams in regard to owning a vehicle, to buying a house, to pursuing other

interests such as vacations, or whatever it may be.

I think we have done well in regard to our government

in enabling students to do just that.

I really believe that in my heart and my soul, especially when you hear

people from elsewhere in Canada who reference Newfoundland and Labrador as being

the leaders in the country.

I know in this case here, in regard to the conversion

of loans to grants, there was a celebration day at Memorial University.

They invited all MUN students to come and celebrate a great day.

I was not there. I was not

able to be there. I was elsewhere in

the Province, but I know there were others there, people from in this House

here, on this side of the House and on the other side of the House, who went.

I think it was a great day.

It was a great day for students and a great day for Newfoundland and Labrador

really a great day.

I think, in regard to the investments we have made as a

government since 2005 in our students, it is a wise investment.

We hear and heard long, a lot of people have referenced the students as

our future. Well, the bottom line of

it is that we have recognized that; they are the future.

That is the reason why, not only have we invested in programs to reduce

their debt, we have also invested heavily in regard to their infrastructure.

They absolutely need quality education, and I think Memorial University

is absolutely providing that. I

think the College of the North Atlantic is absolutely providing that, and Marine

Institute is absolutely providing that type of standard that we all expect in

Newfoundland and Labrador.

As a matter of fact, one of the reasons and a lot of

people think that the only reason that we have an influx of students from

outside the Province pursuing their dreams at Memorial University is just

because it is cheaper, but it is not that at all.

Memorial University has some quality programs.

We even have professors who are coming from away replacing professors who

do not want to be there anymore.

Anyway, Mr. Speaker, that is something else.

As a matter of fact, I could probably make a speech on that alone.

I will not, because it has nothing to do with this amendment.

I see that you are smiling and letting me away with a little bit of a

grey area here, and I appreciate that, Mr. Speaker.

I had to reference it because

MR.

SPEAKER:

You

are shifting beyond grey; you are getting pretty black there now, so bring

yourself back.

MR.

O'BRIEN:

will bring myself back now, Mr. Speaker.

I think it is good to reference those things in regard

to this amendment. The people of the

Province, I think, recognize that we have invested heavily in our post-secondary

education system. I really think

that it is a wise investment, but I think as well, as this amendment speaks to,

that we have to protect that investment.

Even though we invest, we cannot have it abused and we have to make sure

that we have a recovery system in place just in case a person might take

advantage of it for some reason or another.

As well, I want to reference one more time before I

take my place in this House and I welcome any other comments from across the

House or by my own colleagues on this side of the House in that I also firmly

believe that you have to have an appeal system in place just in case there are

students who might be challenged in some way or another, legitimately

challenged, that they did not foresee when they came here to Memorial University

from wherever they came from in Newfoundland and Labrador, including the

Northeast Avalon and the Avalon to pursue their dreams, that they should be able

to be relieved of that particular grant if that challenge is legitimate, Mr.

Speaker.

With that, again I say that this is really an amendment

that is a housekeeping amendment, that piece here in the House.

It is an important piece because it protects the investment of the

dollars that we would invest in those particular students and Memorial

University, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you.

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for St. John's North.

MR.

KIRBY:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is a pleasure for me to stand and speak to this Bill

16,

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act.

I would just like to say off the top, thank you to the officials from the

Department of Advanced Education and Skills for providing us with a briefing

regarding the legislation. It was

extremely helpful, not only to get information regarding this legislation, this

particular investment, but also to get a better understanding of some of the

other issues that the financial aid division is facing, and some of the

logistical issues when it comes to the disbursement of student loans and so on.

It is very, very helpful.

I would like to say that as somebody who has a history

of student advocacy that really goes back I suppose to my twenties, I believe

this is good legislation. This is a

good policy and it is a long time coming.

I just want to go back over a little bit of the history

here. We have an interesting history

of student financial aid in Newfoundland and Labrador.

If we look back to the late 1960s, we even had a policy in place where

not only was there no tuition, but students received sort of a salary, a

bursary, that paid them to go to school, much like what a grant would really

entail today.

There has been a lot of change through the 1970s,

through the 1980s, and the 1990s, a lot of pressure on this Province, especially

at times when the federal government has had financial difficulty.

Difficulty with filling the Treasury and periods of economic hardship in

this Province, to say nothing of the period following the cod moratoriums in

1992 when student financial aid and tuition, post-secondary education in this

Province came under significant strain.

Students have been lobbying for this particular policy

for some time. As was pointed out

last night in the debate here in the Legislature on the Budget, they have shown

themselves to be quite effective over the years in lobbying for progressive

changes to student financial aid and other policies associated with

post-secondary education in this Province.

I have to point out the minister was talking about

students coming here from elsewhere.

The last large-scale study I oversaw at Memorial University prior to my election

in 2011 culminated in a report called Matriculating Eastward and it looked at

Atlantic Canadian students coming to this Province to study, and coming to

Memorial University in particular, as a result of our policies on tuition.

In the subsequent years since I got elected, a graduate

student by the name of Melanie Greene has done a very good job of putting that

research out there. In fact, she

just had a second

article published in an academic journal now reporting some of

the results of what the tuition policies have done to attract students here,

coming here physically and also studying via distance.

There has been a lot of work done and she continues to hammer that out.

I am just going to come back to that in a while, but

during the 2011 election, in the lead-up to that, the Canadian Federation of

Students, Newfoundland and Labrador produced a document around financial aid and

other changes they were hoping for.

The three political parties adopted pieces of that particular platform document,

the students' platform document, into their own political policies.

In the end, all three political parties advocated doing this.

After the election in 2011, I know the former Minister

of Advanced Education and Skills along with the then Premier went down to

Memorial University. I guess it was

around their day of action, which was trying to draw attention to student issues

on campus. The Premier and the

former Minister of Advanced Education and Skills then signed a pledge on this

particular issue, on the issue of access to post-secondary education.

Maybe the minister signed it as well.

I remember it was widely reported subsequent to that the former Premier

opining about her wanting to see the elimination of tuition altogether, more or

less going back to where the Province was in the 1960s.

Now, not much was done after that.

I worked with students across the Province to produce a petition, which I

presented a number of times here in the House of Assembly, around grants, not

loans. I presented that several

times. I am certainly not taking any

credit myself for this getting done because I believe the students themselves,

through their own advocacy efforts, deserve all of the credit here.

I note that in an

article last July, the then Acting

Minister of Advanced Education and Skills, I believe he declined to be

interviewed by The Telegram newspaper,

but there was an

article in The Telegram

last July. I remember reading it

when I was out on a camping trip. I

believe I was out on the beautiful Bonavista Peninsula, out in Lockston Path

Provincial Park, and I remember reading in the newspaper about this particular

issue. I guess the reporter who

wrote it expressed some skepticism, as did the Opposition Parties, as to whether

or not this particular policy was ever going to see the light of day.

I know that the then Acting Minister of Advanced Education and Skills

pointed back to their platform document and said that this policy would be

subject to financial considerations.

I guess really it was subject to financial

considerations because one of the key considerations would be whether or not the

government would decide to borrow $1 billion this year to finance its election

platform Budget. So, obviously, that

financial consideration was considered and government decided to borrow the

money. Now we have this policy and a

number of other things that the government is now trotting out through the door

and bringing to the floor, as it struggles in the face of declining opinion

polls and other difficulties that the government has, as a result of it having

to stand on its record.

Of course, we see that across the country when it comes

to the evolution of government, to sort of the wax and the wane and the ebb and

the flow of the political process.

Basically, one of the things that is going on here is

that while it appears that this policy is going to be because I think there is

some misunderstanding. I think there

is some difficultly sometimes trying to communicate things to people.

Because when things are announced in the Budget it seems like it is

imminent, like the Corner Brook hospital, for example.

It seems like it is imminent.

It seems like it is going to happen this year, or very soon, and this is not

going to happen this year. This is

going to happen, be fully implemented, on August 1, 2015.

In August of this year, the grant portion will be increased by $20 and

the loan portion will be reduced by $20.

In the following year, it will come into full force.

Obviously, that is going to be a challenge to

implement because you are sort of just more or less tweaking it this year and

then bringing it fully in. So,

instead of a policy where you come in and you change it and bring it in, this

phase-in process will obviously add an extra step.

If you know anything about Information

Technology, because we did pass a bill here in the Legislature I am wondering

if it was last year, if it was not last year it was the year before with respect

to the electronic disbursement of financial aid.

A lot of this stuff is keyed in now and it is

really efficient, I have to say that.

The public servants who co-ordinate all of this, oversee it, get down to

the nitty-gritty and do the hard work here, they did an excellent job and these

loans are provided to students on the first day of class as a result of that

bill. We pass in harmonization that

has taken place with the federal student loan program.

I am sure there are people here, lots of MUN

graduates, a lot of Memorial University graduates here in the Legislature, you

remember lining up to get your student loan in the Thompson Student Centre.

It could be weeks into your semester before you get a few bucks to buy

your books. Sometimes you would not

get a chance to get a deal on your books because you are waiting for money.

We do not have that problem anymore and it is a good credit, I think, to

the previous piece of legislation that we passed.

I do not think that was really obvious at the time, but that is one of

the great things that have happened.

Currently, when it comes to the loan and grant

combination system that we have, the students receive the loan portion upfront

and then the grant portion is disbursed to them six to eight weeks following the

commencement of their academic term.

Whether that is at Memorial University of Newfoundland, the Grenfell campus, the

Corner Brook campus, whether at Marine Institute or the College of the North

Atlantic, one of the campuses there, or one of the private training institutions

that is more or less the way it works now.

That is the way I assume it is going to happen

in the coming year. While there will

be a change in the amounts, the $20 up and the $20 down, in the subsequent year

when this comes into full force in the academic year that begins in September of

2015, the full amount of the grant will be dispersed right away.

Students will receive the full amount right away.

Well, immediately we sort of create questions about oh well, what if

and look, by and large, for the most part, there is not going to be wide-scale

abuse, I do not think. I do not

think people are nefarious or ill intended in that way.

There are certainly exceptions to every rule, but we have to trust people

on their merit and on their word and on their signature.

So, everybody will receive the funds upfront.

Now, in the event where someone does not continue into the semester, they

drop out for some reason that happens all the time; students drop out for a

variety of reasons. They might drop

out because you are just are not suited, you are just are not interested in the

program that you are enrolled in; that happens.

Students drop out for a variety of other reasons: illness, bereavement,

issues that are family related, and a variety of different intervening

circumstances can come into place. A

lot of the times we hope that students are able to persevere and be resilient

and continue, but inevitably life intervenes sometimes and people do have to

step back and discontinue their studies.

If that happens and that is why I think there is some

confusion with respect to the wording of this bill.

What the government is doing through its policy is converting the loans

into grants; but if you read the explanatory note on the bill it says that it

will allow the minister to make regulations with respect to converting grants

to student loans. It seems like

they have it wrong in the explanatory note;, but you have to understand what is

going to happen is, in the event that someone receives the full amount of the

grant upfront and they discontinue their studies and there is not a way to claw

it back or the person does not pay it back, if the person enrolls again in

January or after Christmas or what have you for another term and they get a

student loan, then you can claw back the amount that was over paid.

If somebody received a sixteen-week grant, they were in school for eight

weeks, they had to pay rent and they had to have food and they probably bought

supplies and books and what have you, but they did not have that weekly expense

cost that is accounted for in the loan and grant program or in the grant

program. They did not incur that

cost for eight weeks. That money has

to be paid back somehow.

You can pay it back.

You can write a cheque and pay it back.

You can have it clawed back on the disbursement of the grant that you get

in the subsequent semester; or let's say you do not enrol in the next semester,

maybe you do not go to post-secondary again at all for years or ever again, you

have to try to find a way to recoup those funds that were paid out of the public

purse through this grant. What would

happen then is the minister has the authority, through regulation, to convert

that grant into a loan so it can be returned and repaid as if it was a loan.

I think that is the sort of contradiction.

When we looked at the explanatory note on here, it

seems to run counter to what the policy is doing.

This piece of legislation is more or less enabling the minister to make

that conversion in order to ensure that those who are ineligible for the grant

disbursement, pay it back through as if it was a student loan in the event there

was an over award and there is not another mechanism to get it repaid, whether

through an adjustment, or we would say a clawback in the subsequent semester, or

through an immediate repayment.

That is basically it.

I think it is relatively straightforward.

I would add a cautionary note however, and I have said this here in the

House of Assembly before. I think it

is worthy of mentioning again.

Everyone here will have to agree that policies such as

this we all agree are good policies should be based on evidence.

Students feel like yes, they have the evidence by virtue of their own

experience in the post-secondary system, that it is an arduous process of paying

for education and paying for loans and all of that.

They have personal experience that provides that evidence.

I do not dispute that. There

is a need to conduct further follow-up studies.

Remember I told you the last large-scale study that I

worked on at Memorial University, we looked at the tuition fee policy, and we

looked at how it was attracting students from outside of the Province.

Because there was all of this evidence that there were declining

enrolments or stagnant enrolments at universities in other Atlantic Provinces in

the Maritimes while ours were going up.

We had this population of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick

students, and some PEI students, that were going up.

So we went out and we interviewed them.

We talked to them. We asked

them why. We tried to connect the

dots. We tried to see whether or not

what we thought based on the enrolment data was in fact the case.

That is what we should do here.

When we are taking taxpayers' dollars and investing it in new programs

like this one, whereby we are more or less paying out into a grant for students

to go to school, we should try to find out what the outcomes are, especially

through surveys, interviews, focus groups, and those sorts of things.

Not just surveys, too; you can analyze the registrarial

data. You can look at who enrolled,

who showed up, who did not show up, how they progressed, and how quickly they

progressed. We always talk about

timely completion, whether students complete their college or university program

within the recommended period of time for completion of that program.

In the case of a Bachelor of Arts, that would be four years.

Is that happening? Is it

making it easier? Are they

finishing? Is it making things

longer or shorter? Do we have more

graduations? Do we have fewer

completions? There are all sorts of

questions to be answered here.

What about the transition to the workforce?

Is it easier? What about the

impact on their household spending?

Does it make it easier for them to get a mortgage?

Does it make it easier for them to get a car loan?

Does it make it easier for them to have their own children, get an RESP,

and save for their child's post-secondary education themselves?

Those are all sorts of important questions.

I think the unfortunate thing that has gone on in the last decade or so

is that a lot of those programs we had, and study and analysis, the

ambitiousness towards evidence-based policy, has really receded.

We do not do that anymore. I

do not know why. Some people say:

Oh, well, you do not want to know.

You do not want to know what the answer is because you want to think you are

right. I do not know.

I do not really believe that.

I think we want to know that these policies are sound,

it is a good investment of taxpayers' money, and we can look at data, whether

that is, like I said, through surveys, registrarial data, or interviews with

post-secondary students and graduates.

We look at all of that say: Yes, see?

Maybe that will enable us to take the next step into other areas that are

reasonably progressive because the data will show what sorts of tools we need

and what policy instruments we need to enact and to create in order to further

build the post-secondary system, create more access, attract students from

elsewhere, and so on and so forth.

I think one of the areas we really ought to be looking

at is who is really left out. We

have had a lot of universal programs, some based on needs such as this one, but

what is happening with students with disabilities?

What is happening with our Aboriginal youth?

What is happening with our rural youth versus our urban youth?

There are different groups in our society of Newfoundland and Labrador

youth who are differently impacted by the challenges of the post-secondary

system.

Then what is happening with older learners?

Are policies such as this one helping them?

Is this something that is helping them to participate at a greater rate

in college or university? Because if

we look at that Outlook 2020 document, we see all these jobs are becoming

available but we know the vast majority of jobs that are going to be available

over the next decade require some form of post-secondary education, whether it

is a certificate of qualification in a trade, or a college diploma or

certificate, or some certification from a university.

We know those jobs are going to be open, and we know

our young people and our not-so-young people need to be trained.

We know when there are major adjustments in our economy, in our workforce

and they are happening in some sectors, it is still happening we know that

we need to enable people to go one or another direction to change their career

path, because we know people have many jobs throughout the course of their

careers today. Not like when many of

us were going through our careers. I

am a little younger, so maybe it has been a little different for me, but I am

not looking at you, minister.

In any case, I think I will close it off there.

I think it is really important to have evidence-based policy.

It really enables us to have even better legislation and policies.

I do support this, and I will be happy to vote in favour.

Thank you very much.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER (Verge):

The

hon. the Member for Port au Port.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

CORNECT:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is indeed a pleasure and honour to stand in this

House this afternoon to debate Bill 16,

An Act To Amend The Student Financial

Assistance Act.

Mr. Speaker, as the explanatory note says, This Bill

would amend the Student Financial Assistance Act to allow the minister to make

regulations with respect to converting grants to student loans.

Mr. Speaker, if you look at this piece of legislation

this afternoon and you read the analysis, under

part 1,

section (f), it says,

the Student Financial Assistance Act is repealed and the following substituted:

(

f) respecting the recovery of student loans, awards and grants given in error

or in excess of an amount permissible under this Act including the circumstances

under which all or part of a grant is to be converted into a student loan.

Mr. Speaker, in our efforts to continue supporting affordable and

accessible post-secondary education here in this Province, our Budget just

released a couple of months ago now provides $14.7 million over two years to

eliminate the provincial student loans, an approximate investment of $50.6

million over five years.

Mr. Speaker, when we look at the student assistance,

student aid package here in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, we are

the envy of the country. Students

from outside the Province look at this Province as the most affordable and

accessible place to get post-secondary education.

I would say we are probably number one on the radar.

This legislation will amend the Student Financial

Assistance Act to allow for the recovery of student grants that had been deemed

ineligible through a system of repayments similar to the student loan.

Mr. Speaker, as the minister alluded to previously in his remarks, the

minister said that every year approximately 7,000 students receive upfront

grants, assistance to help pay for their post-secondary education.

This legislative amendment this afternoon will allow for the recovery of

any grants that are deemed to be ineligible.

Mr. Speaker, these changes that we are debating this

afternoon and hopefully we will get unanimous consent from the House of

Assembly and all members of the House because this will certainly aid students

in our Province and outside of our Province who are coming to do schooling here

in our Province. These changes will

help the provincial government retrieve ineligible portions of a grant and

utilize those funds to assist students in their post-secondary education and

career goals.

Mr. Speaker, it is very important to note and to point

out that this amendment only deals with creating the legislative authority to

develop the regulatory process and required policies.

Once the amendment has been approved, regulations and policies will be

finalized.

With the complete elimination of the provincial student

loans and replacement with up-front, needs-based grants, students will see a

significant reduction in the amount to be repaid as a student loan.

Let me give you a couple of examples, Mr. Speaker.

For example, a student attending the College of the North Atlantic

completing a one-year program will benefit by having his or her average student

loan monthly payments reduced by 42.1 per cent.

Saying that, when we convert it to dollars, means they will go from $113

per month to $67 per month.

Interestingly enough, a student at Memorial University

of Newfoundland completing a four-year undergraduate program will benefit be

having his or her average student loan monthly payments reduced by 44.4 per

cent; from $300 per month to $167 per month.

This amendment will also allow for the arranging of a payment

schedule

that will be similar to a student loan.

Mr. Speaker, I want to tell you and I want to tell the

people in the Province, as well, that since 2005 our government has invested

more than $282 million to freeze tuition, making Newfoundland and Labrador

students the envy of the country. It

is the hope of our provincial government that these types of initiatives will

strongly encourage students to pursue their post-secondary education in this

Province and that they will choose to stay here and play a role in the

Province's continued success. We all

know, Mr. Speaker, that the job outlook in Newfoundland and Labrador is very

strong and, in the coming years, we will need a well-educated workforce to meet

the labour demand.

When we look at the student assistance programs and the

student aid programs that we have in our Province, we also have to look at the

investments that have been made in the post-secondary institutions as well.

To have an educated population, to have people go on to post-secondary

education, we need to have institutions that will meet those demands and meet

those market demands and meet those education demands as well.

So, Mr. Speaker, what we have done through Budget 2014

I am just going to highlight or name some of the investments.

In the College of the North Atlantic, $1.5 million to support

high-demand, high-priority programs.

At MUN's Fisheries and Marine Institute, $1.9 million to increase base funding,

that is year three of a three-year initiative at the Fisheries and Marine

Institute, to continue the expansion of educational programming, research and

student services for continued growth in the ocean sector.

Mr. Speaker, we look at MUN Faculty of Engineering and

Applied Science, $1.1 million investment to continue the expansion of the

Faculty of Engineering and Applied Science at Memorial, year three of an

eight-year initiative in the priority areas of ocean, Arctic and offshore energy

to support major project development and encourage private sector industry

partnerships. This investment, Mr.

Speaker, will also support increasing enrolment of undergraduate and graduate

students at the faculty.

When we talk about students, we look at the initiatives

we have for students in regard to summer employment.

Mr. Speaker, our government

MR.

SPEAKER:

Order, please!

I would ask the member to make his comments relative to

the bill that we are discussing.

MR.

CORNECT:

Mr.

Speaker, when we look at our investments in students in the Province, we are

very proud of our initiatives. We

are proud of our record, and we remain committed to supporting post-secondary

students and institutions in the years ahead in the Province of Newfoundland and

Labrador.

Thank you for the occasion to speak on this bill this

afternoon.

SOME HON. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear!

MR.

SPEAKER:

The

hon. the Member for Cartwright L'Anse au Clair.

DEMPSTER:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I, too, as the provincial critic for Advanced Education

and Skills, am happy to stand and speak for a few minutes to Bill 16,

An Act To

Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act.

Any time, Mr. Speaker, that we are investing in

students and helping make life easier for students, I believe that is paying

dividends back. When you look back,

you see that this was a commitment made by this government back in 2011, so we

have been waiting a little while. It

was a Blue Book commitment that stated we would eliminate the provincial student

loan over four years and replace it with an up-front, needs-based program.

Mr. Speaker, we know that the Canadian Federation of

Students and many of our post-secondary groups have been calling on this for

some time. We are very happy to see

now that it is coming down and that it will be phased in over a two-year period.

Investing in post-secondary education of citizens, we

know that it just makes good sense all the way around because there are many

studies already that show that education is a primary determent of health.

So, you see the two are closely linked.

Replacing the provincial portion of the student loan with a needs-based

grant; by doing that, we are going to be lowering the financial burden of our

students and allowing them to get on their feet when they come out of school.

This, in turn, will help to make a stronger economy here in Newfoundland

and Labrador. This is a very

positive step.

By coming out and having less debt, they then have more

money to purchase a home. Things

that young families need when they are starting out, a car.

It will have a positive trickle-down effect, I believe, on the effects to

health care as well, given the links that we know are there that exist between

education, income, and health.

We know there is a direct link between low education

levels and very low income. Often

people with very low income have the poorest health.

By investing I say into the post-secondary students and helping them, it

is going to pay dividends back.

Mr. Speaker, we know a full grant system will help to

bridge the gap between the rich and the poor.

That is a very positive thing for the Province.

Low-income students face increased barriers.

I saw that many times in my two decades of working with students in rural

communities. By helping them

graduate school now without being saddled with debt of astronomical proportions,

I believe it is socially and economically responsible.

It is responsible for government to do this.

I am very, very happy to see they are implementing a plan, carrying out a

commitment they made a number of years ago.

Mr. Speaker, given the rural reality of our Province

more than half of the Province made up of rural students in rural communities

have to incur much more expense than those living closer to the service, closer

to the post-secondary institutions.

I am going to reference to my district.

Everyone here in the House has heard me stand up many times and talk

about our transportation issues and the high cost.

You can imagine a student who wants to go home for Christmas and wants to

go home during Easter or something like that.

Mr. Speaker, I remember back in the late 1980s when I

was here at Memorial, most of the people in my class were going down south for a

week on Easter break. They were

doing that at a much lower cost than what I was trying to get home to Labrador

for. I was paying $500 for a return

ticket all those years ago back in the late 1980s.

By replacing the student loans with a needs-based

grant, it is certainly going to help the people in rural communities, Mr.

Speaker. Students who come from

many, many situations where both of the parents are on fixed income and so there

is a limitation there with the support they can provide to the students.

Mr. Speaker, we know that Budget 2014 committed to

this. Also, if we look back we see

that Budget 2012 and Budget 2013 alluded to this.

When you look a little deeper, you see the amount of student financial

services in the last year has actually taken a little dip from prior years.

Mr. Speaker, just to explain for the people who might

be watching and wondering how the provincial Student Aid program works, we know

that depending on your assessed need you could receive up to $140 per week of

study in provincial loans and grants.

The first $60 of the $140 is a repayable student loan.

Then we know that if your assessed need for the provincial portion

exceeds $60 per week, the remaining amount, up to the maximum of $80 per week,

will be issued in the form of a non-repayable grant.

We know the eligibility is determined when you apply

for a student loan for full-time studies.

I think it is a very positive thing, Mr. Speaker, that this grant is then

deposited upfront, right into your bank account.

My colleague referenced the lining up and having long waits to collect

your eligibility certificate in the past in order to get your funds.

It is true that when you come in, and especially

students from rural, there is a lot of money you need out of pocket in the first

few weeks. When you come in and you

are securing an apartment, Mr. Speaker, the damage deposit that you pay.

Sometimes right now in the city, because it is very difficult to get an

apartment and the cost is high, students from my district are actually having to

start paying for an apartment perhaps as early as June or July.

They are really taxed. The

income into those homes, some homes that have two and three students entering

into post-secondary the one time, the financial support is just not there.

These are the kinds of families that by replacing the student loans with

the needs-based grants are going to be helped tremendously from this.

I want to say, Mr. Speaker, the tuition freeze was a

wonderful thing in this Province. We

know that was something that was implemented by a Liberal government back in

1999. That has certainly helped.

Now I am happy to see that we are taking this one step further.

In addition to a tuition freeze, we are going to completely work toward

eliminating the loans all together.

Mr. Speaker, I do want to mention that the Canadian

Federation of Students has estimated that for an investment of approximately $13

million per year, the remaining provincial loan could be replaced with a full

provincial loan program of non-repayable grants that would help over 7,000

students per year. There is a point

of clarity and we can ask that later when we are asking questions because that

number I just quoted does not quite jive with the government's commitment to the

Canadian Federation of Students in 2011 of the $18.9 million over four years.

Mr. Speaker, I am just going to speak for a moment on

the impact of debt on students. Debt

is responsible for lower levels of university and college completion, not to

mention, Mr. Speaker, the financial stress that is disproportionately borne by

those from low-income backgrounds.

As I mentioned, especially in rural communities where families live on fixed

income, it is unbelievable what some people are getting by

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