Volume XLI Wednesday Province of Newfoundland FORTY -FIRST GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND First Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard} Speaker: Honourable Thomas Lush Number 17 21 June 1989

The House met at 2 :00 p.m . MR. SPEAKER (Lush): Order , plE!ase! I would like to welcome to the House today, on behalf of hon. members, the Mayor of Salmon Cove, in the Dist.r:i.ct of Carbonear, His Worship Mayor Bill Peckham. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hE!ar! MR . SPEAKER: Also I would like to welcome to the galleries fifteen Grade VIII studE!nts fr·om ~)L. Patr:i cks ~::choo1, Patrick Sl:r·oc~t hert'::1 in thE~ cil:y, with thEdr· tE!achers, Ms. Ryan and Mr. I~UillboJ.l:. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hec-lr, hE!ar! Oral Questions MR , IUDEOUT : ~Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader Oppostion. SOME HON.

MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR. RIDEOUT : of thE! Mr. Speaker·, I haVE! a question for the han. the Premier. We have seen, over thE! last month or so now, that the Premier is very quickly developing a reputation,. as I said yesterday, as the King of the Double Standard. We sa w his double standard on potential conflict of interest answers in l:he House OVE!r the li.'lst couple of days. We have seen double standards on elE!Ction commitments and so on. Mr ..

SpeakE!r, lE!t rrw L856 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI ~sk the Premier whether or not the Premier, on bE!half of the goVE!Y'nmE!nt, has issued instructions dealing with governrnenL appoint.rrwnts to goVE!Y'nJ'nr::!nt boards, agonci.E!S, and Crown corpora·U .ons? And :i.f ho has, in fact, what !:hose instructions are? PREMIER WELLS : Mr . SpeakE!r, MR . SPEAKER: The hon. the PrerniE~r . PI~EMIER WELLS: Just. to dE'!a] qu:i c kJ y L~oJ:i t:h silly r'E!mar·ks L h d l: p (" e c e < J ::! d qUE!SUon. MR. RIDEOUT : Il:. is not a s:il.ly rE!IIld.i"k. true. MR. FLIGHr : Stupid. PREMIER WELLS: t h (!

L h~~ [ l:. l. <:· -· That is right, stupid and silly . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hE!ar! PREMIEI~ WELLS : ImmaturE! and of no vaJ.UE! -:i.s rnor'E ! appropriate. Now to de a 1 lAri t h t: he part of l hE! comment that has some rner·-.it, the question that. the Leader of the Oppos:i t:ion as ked. ThE:!re has beun no formal written jnstruct-:i.on :issued. The Cabinet has looked at the large number of appointments that are being made in the var·ious boards and offj ces. And rny recollection is \:hal: l:hore .is something Jike 1,700 altogether.

It is a lllass:iVE! number, The instruction is we have to stop the political appointment of ti1E! pas\: and start appoint::i.ng on thE! basis No . 1 '7 1\8 1)6

of merit. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! PREMIEI~ WELLS: That is the general instruction. In fact we are looking at breaking down the appointments and providing For the minister concerned to make appointments after appropriabO! consul tat:ion with thoSE! of hJ.s colleagUE!S that. rnay be aFf€~ct.E!d by it, oth€~r ministers and so on. MR. SIMMS: Will you consult this side as well. PREMIER WELLS: Thi:J.:. d('f.J(:!nds on tAJheUlE!r iL. is appropr'ia l:e. [ would say yes, where it is appropriate.

If the Minister of Health were going to appoint somebody to the Marystown Area Hospital 13oar·d, hE• might well consult the member for Burin Placentia West (Mr. Toboin). It would not be an inappr·opriatE! thing to do. I would not consider it. inappropriate. That is ned:: to say he is going to appoint the political nominee the member mentoions necessar'.ily. He is stoi.ll go~i.ng to do lAJhat. ::i.s right: l::o run the hosp'.ital properly. But what we are thinking about, Mr. Speaker, is brE!aking down the boards.

Those that are major provincial boards or appointlfiE!ni::s would still be appointed by the Lieutenant-Governor in Council on the recommendation of a Committee of CabinEd~ L\Jho L\Jould look at the appointments. Otherwoise the minister would make the appointment after appropriate consultation. Ml~. RIDEOUT: L857 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: ThE! han. thE! L(~cldE!I~ of thE! Opposition. MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker, tAJhE!n you strtke cloSE! t. o t he q u j c k of t hE! P r' e 1 n :i e t' ' s t. h j n sk:in, t.:hE! anSIAJE!Y' is illiAJdYS predictable, stupid and si]Jy.

Hois job :is to answer the questions, Mr. Speaker. Now lE•t ITIP ask thE! f>J~etn::i.er· t.:h:.i s. 'fht:.~ g'~ner·a1 :insl:ructions th.~l: l.:h~;! PrE!ITI:i.E!r has jus l.: ~i.11ch catt:!cl h(' hi:'1~=· goiven to ministers on behalF of the gouernHJE'!i'lL :.in l . .r:!r'IIJ~; ul appo.intnwnl:s l:.o boar·ds, .. ,•ld h l.s r'E'FE'renc(:! l.:o p·oi:i L.:i ca] tn•Jo] uc:•lnc,nl and so on , can l:. h "='

I) I" E:! 11'1 .i u 1~ l:. "' l l thE! House IAJhE!ther or· nul:. Ll1o~;,., :i.nsl:ruct·ions app1:ied l:.o Lh('! l"ecenl: appo:i.nt.lfiE!nts t.o th('! Wor·ker's' Compensation Tr·ibunal, IAli'll!i''C:! Juclqu Seabright., t.hr~ dPreat.ecl 1-ibei"d] candidate, and a Miss Payne, a dE!fE!Cl"l:.E!d L:i br:!ra1 cctJlci:.Lda'l:.e t..ucor·u WE•re that thPSE' the Lhe Promier appointod? qualifications L\Jas ·looking appo:i.n l:Jr1ent.s to For in Lhe Lhose boards? SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. ~31)EAKEI~: ThE! hon. the Pr·em:i er·. PREMIER WEL.LS: YE!S, Mr. :3peakE!r. ThE! anst,Jer is VE!ry si1npJ.E!.

But just so t.hat. l:.lw han. the~ Leader of t.ht=:' Oppos:i.U.on wi11 really fully understand it, it rnay come somE!What as a shock to hi.rn, but a gi~E•at many or· t.he ITICio;L capable people in th.is Province arE! L:.i bE!rals. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! No. 17 R857

PREMIER WELLS: Hi s-co .J.J e ag -UE! s o b v i o u s 1 y did not realize it in their other life. ThE ! Work ers' Compen sat'ion Tribunal had languish ed f or a year and a half tuith an 'ind:ivjduaJ, norrd.naJly holding the post, who had difficulty convening th e Appeal Tr·ibunal becau se of h:is potE•nt:ial conflict, having been an advisor for the Workers' Compensation Commission prior to that and the inabil.i. ty to get hearings on. So we cast around for somebody who could do i.t well , lAJho had experience, who could be reJ.ied upon t.o do a thoroughly good job and would hau e no conrljct.

We found a reputable, retir ed Provincial Court judge. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hE!ar! PREMIEI~ WFLI S: Now it ju st so happ ened, and il : wa s by the purest of accident, that he was a forHIE!r' L.:ibE!raJ. candidate. Anybody who ha s been a supporter of the L:.i.ber·a l Party or a forrrwr l_ibE!ral candidat(! will nE!Ver bE! pr E!cludE•d fr om being appointE !d to any board 0 1n offi ce whE!rE! his or her fll( ;!rit. overrides any political consideration, and that is precisely what happened her e. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR. SPEAKER : The han. the LE!adr:>.r of the Oppo sition . MR .

RIDEOUT : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. l..et. me say to thl'.~ Premier that he might fi.nd solTIE! cornp E!tE!nt Liber·als in the 47 per cent o F a population who uol:E!d L.:i.bE!raJ., but 48 pE!r CE!nt of the populat'.ion uo1 :ed PC . Nev.:~r L.858 June 2 1. , 1989 Vol XLI forget that! SOME HON. MEMBFRS : Hear, hE!ar! MR. RIDEOUT : That was more than ucd ·J'!d L.iber·a 1 in thE! distrtct of HumbE•r East, I should say t:o !:hE! PrE!IlliE!r as t.-wll. Now, Mr. ~3peakE!r, let me ask th E!

Prerrd E!r: Is the PrEHn:ier' atAJar E! that fiue days after taking off ic e hJs MJnister of Social Seru:ic es SE!nt a memo to all Lib eral cau cus rrl(!l'Tib E!rS - MR. ~HMM~) : Only. Mf~. FGDEOUT : Only to Liberal Cducus lllHIIlbE!rS. asking fo1n rE!COITliTIE!I1dal .:.ions F'ol '' appointments to boards under the mJ n is t e r ' s j u r· :i. s cJ :i c t. :i. on? A,., e l: h o s E! l he i n s l: r· u c t. inns t 11 ·'~ t: L li C:! PrPm:i.E!r gav(~? In ol.her' 1-\Jot·d~=., fairness and ba1a.nce dr'C! l'lOliJ repJ.aced by a Libera] First policy. Is that. wha1: !::he Pr'l:!ln.i.ur is talking about? SOME HON.

MEMBERS: HE!ar, hear·! MR. SPEAKER : The hon . thE:. Pr'E!lTl::i er· . PREMIER WELLS: Yes, Mr. ~3peakE !r. I .:tm at..~JarE! of it and I ordE!rE•d :i. t:s :.L1nrned:.ia t:E! rE!Ca ll and resciss ion l:o i·3. propc :!r standard, and in structed euery other minister accordingly. MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. ~3peab :!r. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Lc:!ader oF thE! Opposition . No. 17 R858

Ml\. IUDEOUT: Mr. SpeakE!r, tn that caSE! and tn viE!W of l:hc::~ fact that thE! Premic::~r ordeJ"ed i t.s rEH:aJ.J, how comE! soJ'fiE! of our members who happened to rE!Ce:ive one by acctciE!nt, WE!rE! not ordE!red to rc~turn the document a_s weJ.l? MR. SIMMS: Table it, Tom. MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Premier. PRFMIFI\ WFLI..S: I said I ordered the minister. InJITI"!d:iatr::!ly l:hi::d: I beci~IIW aware:! of :it, I drE!W j [--. t:o the at.tent:.ion of UH.~ minis l:er and ordE!J"ed i l:s i1111ned:iate J"ecal].

That :is nol the standard by which we are opE!ra·U ng, <Hld thE! minL>ter· knows it and so does every other m:i.ntstE!I", and now aJ.] member's of the House know it as well. MR. HEW I EfT: Mr. SpE•akE!r. MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the mE·mbE!r for Green Bay. Ml\. HEWLETT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would assume the Minister r·esponsiblE! For Environmc!nl: is aware that thE•rE! has bE!E'I1 an E!Xplosion at thE! Grand FalJ.s mi 11 involving sorne of thE! burners and pressure tubes. Could the minister el.aborate on the nature of the incident, the degree of damage and any injuries to persons tnvolvc•d? MR.

SPEAKER: The han. the Minister of Environment and Lands. MR. KELLAND: If it j s the same incidE!nt we havE:~ L859 June 21, 1989 Vo 1 XLI r'l'.~portE!d on hl'.~re, Mr. thE!rE! were tu.1o rE!port.s into the office not ~3plc~a k er, that ca1ne to l:.a] ly cJ.ear. WE! haVE! rE•qUE!StE•d ansJ;.Iers 1: o b o l: h and eve::~ havE! an a 1'1 s~ t.A.IC! r l:_ o t h e S 0 0 t :i n 9 p Y' 0 b ]. E'' ITI . J f t: h d t. j c; coincidental with the explosion, then I will be able to answer your qUE!St.:ion at t:hE! II'IOIIWI1l:.

The other· rE!port of an E!Xplos:i on, t;.Jh·ich may have been SE!parate fr·om the soot:i.ng inciciE!nt., j_~; noJ.\1 bu:oin~J r~::~ques'l:E!d and as soon as [ haue that I t;.r.i 11 makE' :i +. au a ::i.] a b] '"' t. o the House. I" h e i n C :i cl 0 n l: tAl :i. !-. h I" U S p rc C l:. l .. 0 s o o t j_ n g , tAl h :i c h u.1 a s r· e p o r-· 1: e cl L o b c l he most so v E· r ::;! one , I l: h :L n k , 1'-;'· :111 Ab:i b bi·-flr·:i ce :in l.hc·:i I" e;-<pc•r' \ cr;( ,, t h c;:; r e , a p paInE! n 1:.1 y t,;a s 1'1 ,-) i: r" up u I"!-. r, cl by Ab:i.tj b:L---·PI"j ce a~:; l:.huy I'JI'I'·r::' rE!qUii"Ni to do.

The rea:.un (jit.ir'l'l for that. lAic\ s t. hat the r' e ~J ~~] a r' por·son normaLly r1c•spons ibl (!, 1'·11''. ~3 peak e I" , J;,l<.'t ~; o u l o I' l-. l'Jt;,JI'I c·l r 1 c1 h :i ~. b a c k u p fa j_ l r:• d 1: 0 Ill d k (! I h (! c d I 1. . This :i nforma·l::i on comes F'rorn Lhe GE!neral Managc:•r a l: Aboi. toi.b:i --Pr-·i ce, Mr. Carson. The soot E•rn:iss:.ion, 1uhic:h I;.Jas actually an oily r·usiduc, occ.un··ud around ::,: 4·5 a. rn. today c:-l.nd :i 'l:. Lllas due to a cornbinal:-.i.on or~ Factor's.

Ther·e WC:{S, appcH'E'!Jl]y, a 1 i g h t C:! n ·i n r3 s l: r· ·j k '=' lA I h i <:. h k n u c k ' , d out their thermo-mechan:ical pu]p plan t . r he TM P p 1 ant h d s h r::! a l: rE!covery, so whE!I1 th:i s was lost thE•y had to put. on number {·tAIO boiler wh:i.ch s LartE!d up and Fu1J loadE!d about I): 00 a.m., 1ny understanding is. A bo:.i. . .lE•r superheater tube subsequently burst a-t ~__l:4f:) a.ITI. r'E•sult.:.in~l :in d rush o·F st(!dln up the stack, t.uhich had apparently had a buil.dup of 1:he soot or oily residue, and l:hLs was blown out into the atmosphere.

Now, the company j s s L: :.i. 11 No. 17 1\8 59

investigating a11 the causes, thE! afFE!cts and caus(~S. ThE!Y are expectE!d to haVE! SOlliE' sort of a prE!SS confer~::~nce this aftor·noon w:i . th r·elat:i on to j t, around 4.: 30 p.m. this afternoon. A1so, Mr. Carson :i.ndicatE!d, as I said a little earlier, that it was the worst sooting :incident in the:ir exper-.ience and that l:hore 1nay very wel] be some repercussions from the general public in t:hat thE!re may be damage claims and things of that nature.

We wi11 haVE! t:o wait and see what happens there. fhere Ls a fu lly document( :!d rE~por t, Mr. ~;p e aker·, on :i.t s l:o my office. ns soon as t:hat pE!r t:i nent j nformatj on be ab le l:o pas s i.t on member . MR. HEWLETT : way in I haVE! I lAJ'.i ] ] to t.h(:! A supplementary, Mr . Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: ThE~ hon. the lriE!rnber for Gr een Bay . Ml~. HFWLETT: Mr·.

SpE!aker, with regard to the s o o t i n g , I g a ·t h (H'' i t :i s s e v EH' e a n d haS gotten intO pE!OpJ.e IS fUrnj CUre and draperies, on the sides of hoUSE!S and so on, and it. :i.s very sticky and not easily washed off and may bl'' E!XpE!nsive to c1E!an up . Wi l1 thE! minis l:er use his good offiCE!S as M:i rd.st.er of EnvironiTI(~nt and Lands to ensure l:hal: whoeVE!r is responsible pays for the damages to the citizens of the town of Grand Fal1s? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Enviro nment: and Lands. MR. KELLAND: First of a1l, I suppose, Mr·.

SpE•aker, thE! simplE! ansiA!E!r is we would have to wait to see if there are damage claims against 1_860 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI Abitibi-Price. If we can i n f l u E:~ n c E! t h e p r o p E! r s c~ l': t l E• rn E! 1"1 t. o f such a claim, I am certain we would do that if it is within our jur isdicl'::ion to do so . Bu t at th e moJn (.'lli: tAlE! do not: kn o L~.I if th ere is going to be a damage claim from residents or not. Ml~. HEWLETT: Mr. Speaker. Mr~. SPEAKER : The hon. the mernber For Gr'CE!n 13dy. MR.

HEWLETT : The::~ inFor '1nat :ion .I have rr:!CHit.)( ~d is l: h a t: ·- I s p o k e t o a p E:! r· s o ll a l t 1'1 e rn t ll i n p u b 1 i c 1~ e l a t:. i u i1 s t· h ::• y have h<-1d OV0•r' 100 Crl.\]s rroiJI p e o p 1 e c o 1 n p l a i n ·i. n g o f d a rn" 'J e l· o the:i.r pE!rsonal pr'opE!rly. I wou]cl as k the m.i n 'i. s l:. C! r· l: o ;. r_. ::! L h a 1:. individ ual c:i.t::izens ar'E! not at a loss For money because of this. MR . SPEAKER : Th e::~ hon . the Minis l.1H' of Environment and Lands. MR.

KELLAND : Well , il: ·is cert :a .inly I'I<Jl : Uw j 11 t. (! n t :i 0 n 0 r l:: hE' g 0 v E! r 11 1fl E' 11 l l:: (I s (' (! an y o n C! s u f f c:! r· 1 o s ;_; c· ·; IAJ h ::• n t h ' ! 1" C:! i s rE!drE!SS, but E!Ven though phone calls were made, I haVE! to suggE!St to the hon . lTlE!ITiber ·, Ml ". SpE! ake r , i:hal: we would hav e l:o Luai t: l:o sc:·e :if there wer 'E! :i.ndE!ed damag E! c:].a:i1ns and SE!e what OLH' UE!parl:monhd involVE!ITIE•nt might be. I lAJouJd think it would be a 1nat:l':c:!r. bc ~hiJC!(:'n the compJ.a:inant and the co mpany responsiblE!. MR . DOYLE : Mr. ~3peaker . MR.

SPEAKER : The han . l:hu rnernbE!r for li.·'trbour Mai.n. MR . DOYLE : No . 1 '7 1\860

I have a question for the Minister of Employment and l_abour Relations. The ministc::~r :Ls at..uare, because of meetings that she has had with the Building TradE!S pE!Ople, of the Council1s hope that the minister ud.ll be br·inging in a bil.l to the flousE! of AsSE!mbJ.y, this sitting, which will bring to an end the issue of double-breasting. Now the double---bt"easl:ing issue, as the minister is aware, has been responsible For the hang--up and stalling of jobs all over the Province this past Winter. From thE'! rurn<H'S that I am receiv:Lng and thE! r·umblings t.hal~.

I dtn getting it is quite likely that the matter could I''E!CUl" agait1 l:h.is Sumn·llc'r. I wo u 1 d 1 ike For I~ he tni n is t e r to :indicate, if she will, is she go:ing to be bringing a bill into the House of Assembly this sitting? The bill is, as the minister is aware, already prepared by the legislative draftspeople and :i.t is rE•ady for presentation to the House of Assembly. I~~ the governmE!nt gcdng l~.o SE!nd a signal, if you wiLl, to thE!

Building TradE!S people, a signal of goodwill so that we· can avoid any labour problems or avert any labour problems t..uhich tnay occur tlris Surnt'TIE!r as a r'E'•:;ult: oF not having that bill? MR. SPEAKER: The Minister of Employment and Labour Relations. MS COWAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, I am not planning to bring s u c h a b i l.l i n ~~ o t h e H o u s E! b e f o r E! it recesses for the Summer. I look forward to discussing that in-depth this afternoon when we move to Private Member's Day. L861 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI MR. SPEAKER: The han. 1he member For Harbour Main. MR.

DOYLE: D:id I understand thE• 111.Lnist~.U1~ cor·rE!CtJ.y? Did she sr:~y she uJas not? MR. SIMMS: Not t:his SumrnE!r. MR. DOYLE: Okay. '·' J -1 tl . . l . M v~ E! ... , --'1 E! lTl J 1'1 J. S :: E• I~ J. ~~ aiJ.JcH"· E• , I" .

SpeakC!r', l~hat the 13u:i.ldi.nq r1"adns pE:!OpJ.e Lo.Jf!re gj ven a corrtm·i illiE·t·ll'., afLC!r the collapse of Lhc MOU, t h a t t:i'IE:! b :i.:J. ] Lo.J 0 U ] d b E• I'' E:' d d ~/ r-0 I" 1: h lc' H o us o as soon as 1. h c:• !I() 11 ~.~ (' rc;!sumecl s:itUn~:j, a11d t:he bi--_IJ ::i:-; red d y . [ c h lc' c k (' d tAl ( ;_ h t. h e legislative draFlspeople, who indicated to 1ne that l~hE• bolll t~JdS prE!par·ed a nui'nbE:•r' ol rttUIIt.h~:. dt;JO and ·it L1.ldS approv:c•d by Cab·LI'H"i~. -r ht> govern111en t i11d:i Cdt.ecl :in Thr:· rhronE!

SpeE!Ch thal: it Ls qoing l~.O be dealing with the double-breasting issue, and I t h o u g h t t h a t l h E! :i n f E' I" E! n c C! i n ., h e ThronE• SpE•E•ch t~Jas l~hat. i [··. tAJOu-l.d be• deaJ.t with this sjtling. Now I want to ask the minister has she called in any of the unions or t. h E! F

E) d e rat_ :i o n of l.. d bot' r· , or· anyone else who represents the labour movement in the Province, to indicate to them that this bill uJiJ.J not bE! Fot"thccnn::ing thoi.s year? Because I believe the rninistE•r did say in corrnn:'il .. LE•e a couple of nights ago, and in pub1ic statements that shE! hcts rnadE!, that it trtay bE• qui_!-.:,, So1nc• t.ime befor'E' th:ls b:i.-.1] is rE:!ady to corne. Has the 1rt:inist1Jr cal led in any of the Building Trades Counc:i] pc::wp1E:~, Ol" thE! FedE!r·at.ion oF Labour, or anyone else connected uri t h the 1 abo u r· move me::~ n t l~ o f:i n d No. 17 R861

out how lhey feel about minister 1 s the jssue? public statements Ml~. SIMMS: Good question. MR. SPEAKER: The Minister of F.:mployrnent Labour Relations. MS COWAN: thE! on and ·it···--rs-·· ·-a g o o d q u E! s t i on . I h a v e been waiting for it for a long timE! and I have bE!l''n tAJaH:.:i ng for· the debate this afternoon for a long t:.imE•, too . Fir·st: of ail, :in r1:!sponse to the fir·st qu~:·~~t:ion, the BuLJding Trades was le ft high and dry by the past government because they refused to consult with everybody. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear!

MS COWAN : The Building Tr·ades had hopod that the:.i.r probJ.ems tAJoulcl be so1VE!d through a memorandum of understandj ng . The past government refused to - did not refusE!, thE!Y just did not consuJ.t with all the groups involvE•d and as a rE!SUl t I..I.Jel~e not. abJ.e to dE!a] UJ i I: h l: h e p r 0 b 1 (; ITI S . I ITI Ed: IAri t h \: h E! Building Trades pE!O p1e the se cond IAJE!E!k I was hE!re. I have a1so rnet 1..1.d.th thE! FE!deration of Labour, the IBEW, l:he Iron Wol~kers, a who1E! crowd of peop1e in connection with this, as well as E!rnployer groups, and wj lJ continue to do so.

Let !TIE! say that all groups, bol:h employer and employee, are delighted that everyone is going to be consuJ tE•d in Ud s parU .cular venture to try to deal with the issue of doub1e-breasting, and feel that because of that there probably 1..1.JilJ. bE! a rE!SOlution brought about that we can live L862 June 21., 1989 Vol XLI with.

They r·eali:ZE!d that it. is not possible to make a decjsion of so much impact within a short per:Locf of t:ime, and havE! bl''( '!ll ver·y gracious, actually, in realizing that I do wanl: lo Jook at aLl. aspects, discuss it thoroughly w:i.th my coJ.]eagues and HlE'n br·i.n~1 forward what is appropriate. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! Ml~ . SPEAKER : The hon . the member for· HadJout" Main . Mf~ . DOYLE : M r . ~3 pea k e r· , d s d n ('! x a 111 p l u (l r: h ( 1 IAJ th<:!

Bu:iJd-:.i.ng T'J"ddcs p\·up]e 1:-Jr·r·i:; l· :·r-t: h-.iqh di '1d dr·y, 1: would l i!<r! [,J s a y t o t h E! rn j n i s 1": E! r· L h a t:. t !! c· b u :1.1 d .i. n r:3 l: r ad e s p C:! o p 1 (! p I" e s e n l:. u d a briE!f to gover'I'IITIE!Ilt in FE:!br'U "li"Y or 1988, thr·ee months 1al.rH'. a. reCOITlrTIE!ndat:.i on IAl('!l'li. rr·oln Cc1b::i Ill"[ ·. that \:.his bi.l 'l tJJould bt::!

Pl"C!par ··r•d and inl:r·oducE•d a1lcl thE"ll a c,,uplc· oF rnonths 1<:d:e .r·, in FE!brudry 19, 1.989, t:.he b-:ilJ IAJas pr'('!par'E''cl by t.h~'' l e g .i s 1 a t :i v e cJ r a F t s p E! o p 1 o o n l.: lw r·ecomrnPndat:i .on of Cabj nPt Tha L is how the 13uUding Tr·adc: •s CotJnc i 1 was lPfL high and dr·y by Lhe forlriE!r goVE!r·nment, so that .is not. a very good example of jt, Mr. Speaker. I say to the lllin:is\:,:!r' I bE!lolE!VE! what we are Finally seein~ here is a pretty good example of what this governlTIE!Ilt j_s bE!COird.ng knOIAJn r·or', saying one thing and doing SOtrJE•lhing elSE!.

Wi]J. ·HlE! rn::i.njslE•r indicatE! or quaranteE! the Butld::i.ng Trades people that the bill is corning soon, no\: 1nayb(! nc•:<l: sE!ssj_on, not maybe next year· oJ ~ 1: h e y E! a r a f b:.~ r ? W i. 11 s h E! ind:icate, fc:~ir, squarE!, pJ.a:in, clear and simp1e, tAri11 she guarantE•e that I:: hE· b:.i 11 :.is com::i ng into the House of Assembly in the No. 17 R862

not-too-distant future: and that the Building Trades Council wilJ be able to consult with the Minister of Emp]oymE!nt and Labour RE•1al:ions on l:.he appl"opriate clauses to bE• dE!a1t. 1.u:i.th so that they can haVE! some input into thE! bilJ as weJ.J.? MS COWAN: No, I am not going to - MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! The hon. the Minister of Employment and Labour Relations. M~3 COWAN: I am not go:ing to :i.nd'icat.e that, I din nol: going to do anything thai: foolhardy. I will be consult'.ing with all groups involved and bring the appropriate measures to my colleagues, when they are ready. SOME HON.

MEMBERS: Heal", hear! MR. SPEAKER: The han. the mmnber fol" Fogo. MR. WINSOR: Mr·. Speaker·, my quesU.on i~; l:o the Minister oF Education. The Newfoundland and Labrador High Schoo1 Athletic Federation have given notice that after June of this year they will no longer sponsor the high school athletic program. This program has some 20,000 students and about 2000 tE!acher--coaches who have indicated that because of a lack of financing they will not continue as of SE!ptE!ITibE!r 1.

Can thE:~ minister t.ell this !louse iF hE• has bE!E!n in contact IArith that organization and what: financi.al arrangemE!nts have bE!E!n made for September, 19 89? Ml~. SPEAKER: L863 June 21, 1989 Vo] XLI The han. the Minister of Educal:ion. DR. WAI~REN: Mr. Speaker, we have received a g r E! at de a 1 of :i nl~ o r1na t i u n f--r· u m that federation. They arP doing an 'i111portant job, bul: I would Li.I<E! to defer to my coJleague, if I may, Mr. Speaker, with your pE!rlllission, the Minister of Municipal and Provincial Affairs, to rE•ply to the hon. ITIE:!rnber·' s qciE!s t:ion. MR.

SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Muni~ipal and Provincial Affa:irs. Ml~. GUI LACF: M I" . S p e a k o I" • w 0! h a v e h rl cl s ~·· v e 1·' d :1 rn e c::• t_ oi n y s url 1: h \· h e H oi. <J h ') c h o (I l FE·dE•rat:ion and hdve cl.i";cu~.~.t:·ci Funding J"eqardir1g l:ha l: pay· l:. i cu l .:~r a s s o c i at i. o n • a s t.u e 1 ] a s t. 1.11 o o r. h e r· s t h a t a r e a s s o c i a Lc:• d \..\1 .~. U·1 1 n y d e p a r t mE! n t: , W E! p r· o 111 :i s e d 1"1 c· Lv n u -\ d have a decision bE!for·e the school y E' a I" c 1 o s E! s , a n d I;.

I e tAl :i ] ] , :i n f a c l; , have l:hat · ducision on l:he r::trnounl:. of funding avai.J.ab]~' to the H:igh ~3chool Ft:~d1:!rat.:ion before Lh::! school year is conc1uded. MR. WINSOR: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKE!~: ThE! hon. thE! lfl8111ber· r·or· FU<;JO' MR. WINSOR: I rE!rnind thE• m::i.nislE!I" that: l:.he school cloSE!S in h.uo days so he will soon have to get it together. A supplementary to the Moinisler of Education. Cdn l:hE! 1n:i.n:isl:.c•r l:ell us UiE' sbatus oF the LtAIO lllajor· studies that were undertaken in E!ducat.ion t:hi.s year·? I r·efer· specificaLly l:o l:hE!

CrockE·r study on math on sci.E!nCE!, and hJ s CliAJn study, thai: he lAJas apart of, Lhe No. 17 R863

Warren study on educational funding. Especially since, with the Crocker Report several interest groups within education have already seen the recommendations. when u.ri 11 the Crocker study be tabled in the HouSE! so we can d:i.scuss i.t, too? 'Is l:he rninistE!r u.Jaiting till the SurnlliE!Y ' so that no one t.uj lJ respond? MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Minister of Education. DR. WAI~REN: Mr. SpE!aker, I would like to c o n g r a t u l a l: E! rn E!l n b e r s o p p o s i t e f o r appointing an outstanding group of educators l:o do a study of school finance. MR. SIMMS: Including yourself . SOME HON.

MEMBERS: flea r'. hE! a r' ! DR. WARREN: I think that study was a very important study and I arn J.ooki .ng for't.Uard to receiving the rE!pOr't of the Task ForC( ' on Educational Finance, I would think at Lhc~ end oF t.hjs month. I have bE!en informed by onE! of the lflE~mbers of that Task Force that the report is draftt:!d, it t.u".i.ll be going to thE! printers shortly, and we should be receiving it within a month.

I might say that I consider this rE!port onE! of the more irnportan t rE!por'ts that WE! wiLl rPceive, because all of us believe that tn order to providE! gr'eater equality of educational opportuntty, we must design grant systems that reflect need and cost in this ProvinCE!. So I am r~~al] y looking forward to the preSE!ntation of that report, Mr. Speaker. The second rt>port. has repotnt. be~ en the Crocker submitted to L864- June 21, 1989 Vol XLI g o u c~ r' n rn e n t .

We· h a v e had s o 1n E! briefings on that report, and I would think, within a month, we wil.1 bE! pr'E!pared to JneJ.E'!ase that. repor 'i: and, hopE!l-"ully, aFl:.er Lhal: a public debate wiJl take place . This :i.s a very s:i.gn:ificant rE!pod: and it rc~fr:•Jns {:.o a numbcH' oF matter's that ar'E! of gr 'E!dl: :.irl'l .. erE:!SL to educators and to \:he pubLLc. We will certainly table that as soon as possible and, hopefully, that pubJic debate wiJl Lake place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the HICI"flb(:!r' r·or· ~;[.. Mdi"Y Is -- rhE! c'-'-ll:lE•s. Mf~ .

HEARf\J : rhank you, Mr. :3pte!ai<E!r'. Fir· s t . I IAJO u J d 1-:1 k E! to t h d n k the Min"iste1n of Education r·or his compl:i.n1ents abou t our' pc:,~:.L initiatives. NotAl , I tAJOtJld l·Lke t:.o a s k h i rn a q u "' ~; L :i o n a b o 11 l. t h u T e a c h e r A ·.i d e p r o g r· i:'ll n l": h a l: l;,J a s developE!d. Over thE! years, s:Lnce o u r h a n d i. c a p FH~ d c h .i 1 d r· t:! n c ... ·u 1'1 E! i 1'1 t o thE! schools, JAJE' haVE! had a nurnbet n of different ini.tiativ<''S to t:ry Lo he J. p l. h (;" tJ· a c h f" r' s 0 r· t. h ~·· qo students.

A11 of thE!In, of couJnse, one being an improvement on lhe other, fE>ll far short, dnd l:.hi.s last year or so we dcue Jo pcd ct p r o g r' d rn l: o a d d r e s s i t • i n co--operation t.u:.Lth the Departrnen ·l:. oF Social Servict:!S. How f.;un dJ"e we? Ar'E! we ready to br:i ng :i.n t.he pro g r· am in ~3 E! p l: em b or? A n d w h a t will the program be like?

Will it b e a p r· o g r· d lfl w h E! r E! b y l: h E· b o a r' d s theJTJseJ.ves IAJ"i]] have chal''gE! or· h-.it"ing i:hE! aid1:!S, raLh~:•r' l:h<'ln hd\JE' to go t.hr'ough ~~OJ'IIE:! oLhl: !l" department and dr:!pc~nd upon uJhE!i:I 'JC!r or not peopl€:' u.dlJ. be ava:i1able? I t.uould 1.ike fotn the 1ninistor l:o enJtghtE!n us on th:i s nE•u.J pr·ogralfl, w h e n i. t w :i.ll c ell n e -.i n 1: o e f f e c t d n d No , 17 R864-

the operation of the program itself . MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Education . DR. WARREN: Mr. Speaker, I am deiighted to respond to that qu estion . ThE! Teachc::~r A:ide program, I think, is a very significant E!ducational and social program. I do not want to go into the history of teachE!r aidE! s but, as \:he House :is awarE!, we have :in the school systelfl, IAr.ith the closing of Exo n House and oth E!r s:.i.1n:i] ar' inst:i tu L:ions. pE!Ople who are called developmentally delayed, who need special a l:.t:o n t.ion.

In the past, they wer e provid ed service through a variety of Jnt:: ~asurE!S. including soc.i.al sE•rvice recipients. Many parents, wh ile, as they apprec iat.e d that program, wen~ not. pleased vJ:ith it. ~;o, as a result of discussions OVE!r thE! past Yl:lar, a proposaJ. was mc1de t:o the department. We announced in th e Budget that $3.4 million would be made available this year to providE· 3SO or' so tE!acher aides . Some of that money will be provided through the Department of Social Service s. We added $1.2 rrd.J.1ion fr'orn !:.hE:! DE!par'tmen t of Education's own budget. We will be granting funds, Mr.

Speaker, to school b6ards on a block grant basis. School boards will employ these teacher aides. Training programs are being dE!Ve]oped. I could go on, but I IJJ:i1l not. T1: is such an oxci .l:Lng and s:i .gni ficant program that I thank the hon. mernbE~r for as king the question. We are delighted with the program. SOME HON. MEMBERS : L865 June 21, 1989 VoJ XLI Hear. hear! · MR. SPEAKER: The han. the IOE!IOber· for St. Mary's - ThE! Capes. MR. HEARN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Once again, it just shows th e tremendous pr -ograms that: WE! havE• developE•d j n thE! past and I am glad to see they are fo llow ing through on these programs . SOME HON. MEMBERS : 11 ~C! a r • h c:! a r ! Ml~. HEAim: W E! I" (:! d J. j Z (;' t h cd. . :i ll d

I) y p I" U ~J I" i~ Ill t~her·c:! ~:ii''U (:~x c: t:'FJ I~ . .io n ~:. (): ·~:: ' E! X C E' p t j 0 n ]. i"l ~:; t y iC' (.·' I" l>~kl S :i I I L a b r a d o r We s 1: , w h ~C! r r::~ • b e c a 11 ~- e o 1-· thE! inuo]VE !ITJen ·t of kf!Y individuals. u ndoubh!dl y. nJ(' ha v t':! p r' ogress E! d j n r' e] c:~ !. :i on to r· u J :1 integration rnor es o th~n anywhere else in the Prou:lnce. Spe cJdl allocations above and beyond lho ordinary LIH:•rE! made l.o Labrador WE!St. Will !·:he tninisU!r' 1:dkrc• l:hal: in t: o cons :1 d f'! I" at :i on t h :i ~~ y c· d t·· :i. 11 the allocation of aides? MR.

SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Edu cation . DR. WARF~EN: Mr. ~)peakE!r', rnE!rnbE!rS oppos :i.L u hauE :! great ideas, but it. took us to implement that program. SOME liON. MEMBERS : HE!ar. hE!ar! DR. WARREN: W:L\: h resp C!C\: !:o La br'ad or We s t:, r have been brie fed abou t that project. I pay tribute to the Co:l .shes and other's, L\Jho, ouE•r' Uw years, halJ<'=~ provided {:rE!ITIE'ndous servi.ce. I gather that the gt"ant: they receiVE!d :in thE• pas\: is no\: No. 17 R86 ~)

now available and the Department of Education is looking at that pr·oj E!CL I assure you, LJ.Je will do ever·yt.hing possible t~o assis ·l:. We have ned: madE! a dE!Cis:i.on on that: yet, bul we ar'E! inforJfH'!d about :it and we are concerned. Iif possible, we will provide additional Funding to ensure that that project proceeds. MR. MATTHEWS: Mr . Speaker. MR . SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the melllber· fo1n Grand Bank . SOME HON. MEMBER~): Hear, hear! MR. MATTHEWS: rhank you, Mr. Speaker . I am delighted to see the Minister of F .in an c e l: a k E! his s E! at .

I was worried for a while that he had taken the Trouter's Special out of town. In the budget speech, Mr . Speaker, the minister indicated that various fees would be increased. I am just wondering if the m:in .istc·r would indical:E! l:o l·:he House what fees will be increased, and will he provide a list of such increases for the House of ASSE!iribly? MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Minister of Finance . DR. KITCHEN: Mr. Speaker, I arn not t:oo sure what f(:!E!S Uw member is rE!fE!lnring to, but I wiJ.l E!ndE!avour· to pr·ovide that :infoi"Jni'.ltion lab:'Y'. MR. MATTHEWS: Mr . Speaker. MR .

SPEAKER: The han. the member for Grand Bank . L866 JunE! 21, 1989 Vol XLI MR. MATTHEWS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe now, Mr. Speaker, we know IAJhy Lhu 1n:in:isl:r:!r hc'J.S br:!c:On sit.l:.:Lng ther·e, since Lhe budget. s;peech, :L11 a trance, so I wou1d Like l:o ask thE! m:i.nist.E!r, is the rE!ason he has bE!en so qu1cd: that hE! is glued l:o his SE!at? Would hE! infor111 l:.he HOUSE!, Mr. Speaker, .if i·H:• indec:•d is considering a trout tax for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians?

Wi 11 they n OIAJ have t. o purchase a 1icensE!, eith<:·r· a farnily l.i.cr:!l'1SL;! p uln chase or· an :i. n d j v :i d u.C\ J J. ··.i. c en::; c purchase, to go out. c:.tnd f] ·i.ck ,,, J inE! out :in t.he:i .r fc:.tvol ":i l:e pond ::; or brooks c:.tround the Provin c0? Mr~. SPEAKER : ThE! hon. i:hE! Min .is t:.(!r of i'.inanc:c•. DR. KITCHEN: Mr. SpE!akoln, l·:hc! qUE!st·ion is no. rorn.-Lnd thL:! mC:!Inber who broughL in Lhe SOME HON . MEMBERS : HE!ar, hE!ar! · MR. MATTHEWS : Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: answur l:o thai: I L\JO u 1 cl ] ·i k C! l., \1 that it 1,1a s Uw y t. c" x o n r d b b :i I s .

The hon. the rnE:!lflber' for Crancl flank . MR . MATnl EWS: If lfly memory sc~rves rne corrc•ct1y, it was thE! former· L:ibera1 Govornment that taxed rabbits. SOME HON. MEMB E R~l : Hear, hE!ar! MR. MATTHEWS : Mr. SpeakE!Y', IAll'! tAJ:i11 nut hdVE' l..o tax Lhe Minister of Finance on his hopping up and down :in hi~ seat in this House, I will toll you H1c!t. Now, whether we should impose a glue tax on him, because he has No. 17 R866

bee n stuck to his seat, is anoth er qu es tion. Mr. Speaker, he everything else. million dollars in taxes on the people has taxed N.inety --f.i.1;e additional of this Province. I think that is enough. A supplc:~lnE!nti.1.i~y question to the MinistE!r r·esponsible for WildlifE!, Mr. Speaker. Would the minister advise the House if his department is considering a license for people to go trouting in this Province and, if they are cons:ider·ing such a License or t:ax, lAI'i .11 they infor·rn thE! House a-t~ tJJhat ]c!veJ. that ·tax, lAJh:ich is now uncleJ~ considuration, is at?

Is it at the officials level or has it bP8n brought to the:! 1n.inisteroi.al lr:!vel? Ml~ . SPEAKER : The:~ hon. thE:~ Mini s-tE•r· . of Environment and Lands. MR. KELLAND : Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I aHJ not consideration in aware of any our department to tax resident fishermen for trouting. MR. LANGDON: Mr . Spe aker . MR . SPEAKER : The hon. !~he rnernbE !r for Fortune Hermitage. SOME fiON. MEMBERS : HE!ar . hear! MR. LANGDON: My question is Works. Ser·vices to l~he Minister of and fransportation.

Would the:! rninistE!r tell the Hou se is hE! awar·e of thE! pJ.jght of thE:' indepE!ndE!nt tandE!rn truck ownE!rS of the Province who find thernsE:'lves L867 June 21 , 1.9 89 Vol XLI in desperate financial straits because they are unable to Find work for their vehicles becau se they arE! sqUE!ezed out by the bE~lly du1np and serni ··-bE~lly clu1np oper·i.'l!:or·s? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Works, Servi~es and Transportation. Mf~. GILBERT : Mr.

SpeakE!r, I arn au.Jare t:ha t. individual truck owners in Province have concer·ns agd:i.n year. as they havE: ~ E•VE!ry yoar contrac!~s aJ~E! cal.led, lAJ: ti:h. fact Lhat the contract.or·~; t: hE! the this iJ.JhE! 11 t:. h (' ar·e bJ~inging in l:he S(~ln-i --du,nps dl'ld LhC> 1 a J" c:J E! L r u c k s . Ll n f' o r· L u n a l. ', ] y .. 1 1 j ~; not sornr::·l~h .. Lnq tl·,dt 1ny dr:!pa('·t1nc!nl : c a 11 g e 1:: ·i n v o l v E' cl :.i n . 1 1· :i ~~ H. 1nat\~c:·1~ br=.•l:·.tiJC:'(:~n the conl:r·acl ui''S and t h e t r u c k E! r s .

I have had my officiaJs looking ~ L :i.t and I haVG! ask -·d U1u1n l:u 111eol: with the j n d :i. v j d u a] t r· u c k E" r s • I. h E• o n r:• s w h o h a v e c o n I~ a c 1: u d illy o (~ r: 'i. c (! ,. who are in the process of developing a report so that in futurE! yE•ar~; 1-1JE! mj c:Jh L b(:• ab] e to look at something along l:h:Ls J.i.n::! when thE~ contracts ar·e ca]J.E!d foJ" road JJJor·k. 13ut i.t [·,;a con tinu'i.nq job. It is not just this year; this is a continuing l:rouble. l. a s t y E! a r • a t t h :i s t_j_ rn E• • IAI h e n L h E! cons Lructiun S(!d~'-Oil s l~aJ"·l:.ed, l~h"!I"C:!

WE!Y'e pr·oblE~rns wi.t.h thE! :ind::i.v:i .dua1 truck owners. WE! sympath·ize tAI:i.th them. I think if thE:' previous government had handled the situation when Uw question arose throughout the years as it has arose preSE!n 'LJ.y, it would not be there now. is no!~ so at this think So my concer·n what li.JE! can do t.:imE!, bE!cause I latE,~ and we lrll.J C h lAJ:'i. l: h pi'.lr·t.-t cu] ar· . ! . I . t 1. ~ ·1 s a :Lt. . a J~e :.i.nto thE! construction season, but, c~s I have told you, I have rny off 'icials No . 17 R867

getting the information hopefully we will be able to something to provide reJ.ief those people next year. SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE!ar, hE!ar! MR. LANGDON : Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: and do to ThE! hon. the member' for Fortune -· HE~rtni tagE!. MR. LANGDON : Would t hE~ tnini sLE!r inV E!stigat:e also to seE! tf LhE! rE'!d] pr'oblE:•Ifl is the subletting of tenders where thE! indl'!pE•ndE!n L trucker's a1·'e bcd.ng undercut by 30 per cent, approximately, against the rE!gulations SE!t by l:he Public Utilities Board? Is that the problE!tn? MR . SPEAKER : rhe hon. the Minister of Works, Services and Transportation.

MR. GILBERT : Mr . Speak er, as I have told the lnE!ITlbE!r , offici als in my departrn E!ni: are now investigating the whole procedure as to how this problern arose. I tAd.ll have a po sition on tt, and my depa ('trn enl:, as T hau e s aid , v.d 11 be 1 o o k :i n g a t H . because we r·ealize, as thE! rnEHnbE!r indicated, that there is a SE!rious concern for individual truckers who haVE! purcha se d tr·ucks and a1ne looking for work in an eVE!r-decreasing market that was established by the previous government. wh101re the construction indu st :ry cainE! to almo st d ha1t.

So we ar e ce rtainly going to be looking at ii:. If thE:~r e ·is any way that we can alleviate the problE!ln, we lAJi1l do it. MR. SPEAKER : L868 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI I must regretfuJly inform the hon. member· that the t:·.ilnE! for· quE!stion Perjod has e]apsed. Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Commitees MR. REID : Mr. Speaker. MR . SPEAKER : The hon. the Member for Carbonear. MR. REID : As Cha.irperson of LhE! Re~~our'CC! Corrmr:Lt Lee•, I lAJoulcl J.·i I<E:! lJ1 l"E:por ·l. t h a t l: hE!

Co 1 n 1 n :it:: t e ''! h d s c on ~'· i. d E! i'"' ':' d 1:: h e e s L j rna. t e ~; o f L· h E:! f o ] 1 o 1-1J :i n ~:; dc!par·LrnE!nl :s, Mtn:::s ,(;•J :=:nur·ci~i. F . h . F I J.s E!l"J.es, or'E!S Lr·y anc Ag r'i c u 1 tu r··r:!, De v c:! lopollE! n t. Env:Lronrnent and l.cH1ds. and ht'ts pasS(!d th(:!rn a1l t ... rit:houi:- arnc!nd1nent. Thc-1nk you, S:iT. SOME fiON. MEMBER~:>: 1-!E!ar. hE!ar! Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given MR . BAKER : Mr ·. Speak er. Mr~ . SPEAKER : The hon . thE! GOVE!rrllnE' 11 t HOUSE! LE:!ader. MR. BAKER : Thank you, Mr. Speaker .

I wi sh . f i i" s t of a 11 . 1·: o .~H l s t.JJu r Que stion 2~> : The member for· Gr 'a nd Falls 'To ask the hon . the Pr·esidE!nt of Executive Counc: i.:.l and Treasury Board to lay upon the Table of thE : House thE:' follov.dng inf or ·ma tion : An i terniz c?.d lis l: of No. 17 R868

travel expenses incurred by the Minister, l·d.s EXE!CUtive Assistant or any other member of the Mjnister1s personal or Dopar·tmE!nta.l staFf tAJho may have accompan:ied h:Lm s:i.nce May :,, 1989.1 I have the ttemiz(:'d list, Your Honour·, which I lAJ:iLI now tablE!. It involves f"iVE!· and one .. -half trips betwoen Gander and St. John 1 s. The offic:i.als informed me that. until I moVE! 1ny farntly tn, trips back and forth to Gander have to come out of thE! ministerial allotment rather than Lhe MHA allotmE•nt, and this .is t:he t,vay :i.t has been donE!. So I tablE· this. Min.

Speakcln, I anst. .. wr quc::!st.i.on m~~mbE!I": 1An IAJO l.l 1 d d J ~; 0 1 -j k E! \:.0 No. l1~ by l~he sa1nE• j.tE!ITdZE!d l:ist of for any office expondi tur'E!S equj plllE•n 1::, fur·nishings purchased personal equipment, and photographs for· t.hE:! M:i.n:i.s'l.E!I' 1 s OFfice since May 5, 19 89. I I have a list of expenditures totalJing $831.17, invoJving things like print wheels and a package of disks for the Xerox 6t.~1j-·-S ME!mory Wrib:!r, l~he one· thc~t was left in the office -the other one went somewhere else -and things like desk diaries, an electric kettle and twelve teaspoons, Ml". Speaker.

TherE· was nothing like that in the office WhE•n 1 rTIOVE!d in. I would like to also point out that there were no expenditures for photographs, furnishings and things J·ike that for the off:i.ce. I would point out anothE!r thing, hotAJE!Ver, there is a large television set which we are trying to trace down. It was thE! property of Treasury Board. It is no longer in the office, and we are trying to trace that at the L869 June 21, 1989 VoJ. XLI prE!Sent tiTnE!, I would like to table this list of expenditures. Orders of the Day Private Member1s Day MR.

SPEAKFR: It bejng Wednesday, Private Mr.HnbE!r 1 s Day, I ca 1.1 on l~hu i'llE!i!lbc::•r for Harbour Main l:.o presenL hjs pin:icJa l:.e mo l:.ion. /"he lllHinbei~ fol'· 11al"·boul~ ~·11'! in. ~!OMC fiON. MEMfJEr~~;: HE!ar, hc:!ar! MR. DOYLE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gjues pleasure, motion. into the

WHEREAS strike industry and rnc a ~JI"E'!dl. dc·<:-:t-1 c1r· 'in cl e E'' d , i:. o p r· E! s e 1'11': l. h i. s I tAri 1] r' <:'ad L he n1 u L j u n record of the House: a Province :in l:.he .is i1111n:i nun l~ tAl i. ,_! e (j c• n u r· a 1 c o n s 'l. r u c l·. :i o n this ~·Uilllll(!r'; WI·IEREA~) thousands; ol N ('l.IJ r--(lund l an cl E! r· s ('a c h y c• a I" d (' p c-:! n d on the seasonal empJoy1nenl Pl"ovided by l:hE· consti"UCL:Lon jndustry as their on]y sour·ce of incomE!; and WI·IEREAS thE! fol"lnt:•r adrrrin:is l.TaUon had legislation drafted entitled 11An Act to AH!end the Labour· RE!lations Act, 19'7'711; and WHEI~EAS SE!ction 89 --SubsE•cti.on J and Subsection IT dea1 specifically with businE•sses unch:•r common control which addresses directly the issue of No. 17 R869

double -breasting; and

WHEREAS Uw double-·breasting issue continues to cause labour unrest which E!ndangr:•rs employlnE!nt security in the Construction Industry; fHEREFOI~E 13E IT I'ESOLVED that Govern1nent bring forward imrnediai:E!ly this Act which will help ensure labour peace in our Province and thereby protect the jobs , of thousands of peopJ.E! employed in the construction industry in Newfoundl~nd and Labr·ador. As I have' sa:"i d, Mr. ~!pl:!aker·, I a111 VE!Iny plE!i.'\SE•d, .indE!E!d, [~O bining that Y'I::!SO] ulion bcFor'e the flou~ ~e l~ o day .

I know t h a t a ll h on . lllE!inbE!Y's wilJ want lo supporl: this r r:• so 1 uti on . I know that E! 1; en the MinistE!In of Employment and Labour l~c,lat~ ·.ions might want to r·eFlect upon what hE·i~ answers were today, and maybE• changE! her' 1rr.ind and suppo1nt thE• l~esoJ.ution, bE•cauSE! it .i.s a VE!ry, VE!l~y rr:~asonable resolution.

It has been caJ.Jed for by every labour body in the PlnovinCE! ov~~r the last numb(~r· of YE!ars: It has bE!E!n Ul.ll13d r:o1n by the Federation of Labour', it·. has been called for by the Building Tr'ades Counci], it has boen ca] Jed for, as I have said, f'1r. ~3pE!akE!r, by Li.tE!ra1ly every labour body in the Province. As a matter oF fact, not too long ago the Building Trades Council presEmtE!d to the Social Policy Committee of Cabinet a brief called A Better Way.

A very, VE!r'Y ·important. par·t: or t.he br'j .ef tAJas prE~sented l:o Cabinet, and I wiJJ. just. read a Jjt.tle bit from the particular excerpt on double -breasting. The Council said, 'This is an issue that needs no explanation . HoweVE!r, as thE! L870 June 21, 1989 Vol XU Build-.ing Trades i.H'E! concernE!d, it needs, and we must have, <.1 positiVE! answer. Our position to you today js baSE!d on the pi"E!I'Tl:isE:! that L E! g :is 1 at . ion e r~ Fe c 1: :i. vel y dealing wjth t.l "l(' E!V:il ur ·i-.11 bl:! enacted during this sitting of the House.

UnJ.ess and unt.:i.J t;.Je haVE:! this matter effectively dealt IAJi t h , very l:l t l] e , :L f any t h :.i. n g in this brief matters. There is stability industry if unacceptabJ.e to continue. no tAJa y tJJe c d n h a v C! in the cons truction t h .L s mo s t u n f d. i r· and practi ce is allowPd T h E:~ B u :i 1 d j n g T I" a cl e s '"''a n L L. o 111 r.·\ k ,,. .l [: C .l C! dIn t·. h a ~~ WC! .=!I''(;! h (!InC! 1:0 d d y , dut:er1 nin.: •d .in ot1r·· i'·c·~;o]u, ,:.

L,, cJ,, lAJ h a t tAlE! a i" 1:! c o 1111 n i L 1: .i n g o 1.1 r ::; 0! l 1; c• ·:; t o d o . f I owE! v e t" , :i. f t l·w r' u :i. ~,; ,. : u such lr::•gislat.:ion f'or ·l~hco1noi.ng then our rE!So1ve to make peace IAJ'i"Ll., of· n e. c (:! s s i t y , h a v E! 1-. o c h a n <J \C! . lrJ c• lAJi J. J h ct V E' t. 0 C 0 11 t: i 11 U (! IAJ:i. f' h 0 II r· 0 J d tr' "i.(!d i:'llld SOIIlE!l: .:illlC'S [~di. 'lt:• d proCE!dUrE! of the sur'viva1 of the fittest. SornE• of us ha'H'' survi.1;c•d for out~r 100 year~: and tAJe bE: !Li .eUE! tAlE' w.ill survive fur qu'i.l:e sorne t:ime.

HowE>ver, t·.hp sp:"i r.i l . . of Lh:i s prE!SE•n\~at:L...:'n is r1ol~ on1c! c;f-" survivaL :it: j_s a spir:i t of co-operation. If we are to develop the P r' o v j_ n CE! L o i L s f u] 1 p o \: C' n t j a 1 , rna n a g r,, 1 n c• n I~ , 1.3 o 1; e r' 111 n e n I~ and labour can do no less.' 1 hat :is an excerpt, Your Honour, tak(~n frorn a brief Lhat was prE!sentE•d to the SociaJ. Pol ic y Committee of Cabinet back in FE!bt"uary, 1988.

M r· . ~)peak e r' , I h a cJ l: 1·1 C! p 11'! d s tn·· E! n o t l: o o 1 o n g a g o , a p p r o x i 111 a 1: e 1 y a year ago, wjth the MinjsLor or Labour' and o thE!r' II'IE!tnbE•rs of the House of AssembJ.y, of heJ.p:Lng l:o put together, if you will, the memorandum of understanding with No. 17 R8'70

the BuJlding Trades Council. As E!Veryone is aware, that memorandum survived for a little while and then it fell apart, but very much a par·t of that tAJas thf-! cornmitrnenL that government would put in place a biJJ. on doublE!· ·breasting. The rnemorand.um covE:~rE!d a lot of Ul'.ings wh-ich are contain(~d :i.n the dr-aft legislation which hopefully will come before the House this sitting, things like jud.sdictional umpire, multi-trade bargaining, and what have you.

But., I think, OnE! of thE! rnost irnportanl: things containr::!d in l:·hat b:i.J.l :i.s the doubJ.E!· ·breasU.ng parL oF it, a clause d(!aling ul.ith a cotnrrton ernp1oyeJ~. 1.. ,~ ~j:L s J. a t:i o n , a s I s C.·Li . d , You r Honour, has alrE!acly br:!{c!n prE•parE•cl and the appropriate cJauses on common !?.tnployE!r are ther·~;:~. ThE! minister said in Question Period that the Building Trades people uJerE! J.r•t. dotJJn . WeJ. 'J., I tAJould r·ornind LhE! tttinist:c::!r that t·:he rE!COtTIInendation carn€0! frorn Cabinet on May 12, 1988, dnd the b·Dl u1as drafted in February.

ThE! biJ.l is thEH'e for LhE! minister l:o have a look at, and Jt can cure the problems in UJC! construct':ion industry with respect to the double-breasting issue. And the rrdnister · does not. havE• to beJjE!VE! 111e , she can go 1: o he t" off i. c i al s :if she wishes, or to the dr·aftspeople, and they can provide her with a copy of that bilJ., and they can tell her when the recommendation carne from Cabinet to have that bill prepared. Now, why is it irnpE!rative that we have that b:i 11?

Why is j t necessary For the Province of Newfound1and and Labrador to have a bill which covers the problem of double-·br·easting? Is it un:i, que to the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador? I would say to the L871 June 21, 1989 Vol XU nd n i s t e r , n o , J. t. i ~; n o t u n :i. q u E'! . TherE! are many, rnany provinCE!S ·.in Canada which have legislation in place right now. I would tell her that Nova Scotia has a bill in placE! r-.i'.::J ht notAl, and t·. he prot; inc e of B.C. has lE!g:i.sJ.ation in p] acE). I beliE!VB thE! tn-.inisLE•in Sdid Manitoba has it. in pJau·.

Pr:ince EdiAJai~d Island, I bu1ic:we, has a bi11. Albet~ta hCJ.s d bJ11, as well, and also the province oF Ontario. AN HON. MEMBER : w'F~-Yd'T'cr -y o u---n·o- t b r i n g t: h a t b i. 11 1 n ? MR.

DOYLE : I t;.J:i.]] geL cJ.r'ound lo the 111.i n :is t·.: E! r' k nnw necessary to bring in bill. l .. ha '\. lAJh Y l-..hc<t l { 1 ] r• I. 'd: is type of' We haVt:! a number of prot;in ces in Canada whi ch have that type of b i. ll i. n pla ce r :L <J h I:. n ot.u : i\J o 1.1 a ScoUa, B .C., Pr:ince Fclt~Jard Isldnd., AlbE !rt?-, rlldnil:oi:Ja d1'1d 0 n t a r i o , s o i t. :i s n o t u 11 i q u E! 1:. o the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador. What dOE!S :.i.l:. cJu? What . would such a bill do? Well, [ would say Lo the min ister, it wo u 1 d c r E! aLE! , pro b a b 1 y , d ·1 L 1:.

I '1 e bit of fa:i.rnE !SS and ba1anc€:• that we do not haVE! rtght now. !·low would it create fairness and b i'l. 1 a 11 c c~ ? lrJ c• l 1 , .I tAl o u l d i 1 n a (J i n (~ i l: is neCE•ssar·y, first of aLl., foJ" us to examine tJJhal: double·-btneasl: .·.ing :i.s. What wouJ.d be an appropriate dc~finit.ton for double -btnE!a st.ing?

I would say, Your Honour, that double-breasttng .is a pt"act:lcr::! whereby a union company that is signatory to a co1lective agreement wJJJ create another co111pany and bid <)n a job as a n o n .... u n i o n c o 111 p a n y f o r' t h e p u r' p o ~~ e of circumventing its duties and responsibil:i.ties under the collective agreement the company is alr·eady part of. So, :i.l . tJJ.i11 No. 17 1\8 71

sign an agreement with the building trade, it will be signatory to that agreement, and upon doing that will immediately ro11 ove1n, fo1nm a nE !W, non ··-union company and compE!l: E! u.ri l:h thE• urr:i.on sector again in bidding on jobs. And that is not a fair labour practice . It is no t a fair labour practice in any province of Canada, and :lt is not a fa :ir labour practice in the Province of NeLAJfoundJ.and. But that j s not to Si.'l. Y that {:he union SE!Cl:or and thE! non- .. uni .on sector do not haVE! the right to exist in the Province .

Nobody :i.s saying t.hat. a non- -union c o m p a n y c a n n o t s e t u p i n l: h e Prov inc e of Newfound 1a nd or th at the y shou1d not havE: • !:he sa1nE! rights and privileges to set up l:he i1n non--union co rnpany dS a un io n company. It is not t.o say that. And that is not because of any labour law that the Province of NE!LAJfoundland can bring :in. or any other pJ·'ovince of C<:HJada.

I-L happE!IlS . to bE! a fa ct undE•Jn U1E• Constitution of Canada that both thE! u n i o n s e c to r' a n d t he non ·-u n i on sector havE• a right to wor'k, and th <3lt no individual has to become a rnernbE !r' oF a labour ITIOV E!nWnt. Rut it does CI"C::!ate probl,~1ns :in the construction industr·y. It is not a fair labour practice .. An d hotJJ is .i.l: unfair'? We ll, according to the Building Trades pE !ople how it is tjnfair is simply like this: Every union has the right to go out and or'gan-.ize mernbE!rs on a particuJ.ar· job sitE!.

If it happens to be a non-union job site, a uni.on has the right to go out and organ-.ize these E!ITipJ.oyees and try t.o gE·t {:hl:!ITI a~~ JnembE!rS of thr:dr unton. If i:hE!Y succeed in do:ing that, then thE!re is a procedure that has l:o be put in place within the Department of Labour to certify that company tn order for that company to become a L872 June 21, 1989 Vol XU un:lon company. And once that. happens. {:hE! E!lnployE•r, th~;;! contractor·, puts a s:i.gnat.ure to a unoion aglnr:~E!mE!nt and hE! says. I d.m nov.J a union company.

AJ.l th::i.s :.i.~:; done through a procedure se t up under the Labour Relations Board . Now, he ud].] do th at and he ur il1 complete the project he is on. But having comp1Ed :E! d that p1noj ect, what ~w wi.ll thE!n imm,':!diatE!ly do, if he is running a doubJ E'- breast( '!d company, is p1aCE! that cornpany l:o one s:ide and go out and for 'ln i'l non .. -union colllpa ·ny. 1\J OLIJ, l.\J e ~l<~t v e l: o r' e a 1 i z E! 1-: h d. l:. i.l-:. look the unjon probcd<ly LiAJO or ' three years l:o Lry to g0t tho E!lllp]oyee~:. ol U; <d. non Ll l"li () ;: COIIlpany l:O beCOrllE!

ITIC'IribU("S of LhC! i.T union, and it. pi"obabJ.y Look Hli:tny, many thousands of dollars. And having done alJ that and having gone th1nough Lhr::! proc(:•ss of hav. in• :J the Labour Re1ation~; f\oard ~;l•L up l:he co111pany a~; a union COIIlpany. he! in1rnediately places t.l1at . one a ~~:i. d(', se ts up another onr::! and <JOE'S out and cornpE!Les aga:i.n by biddinc:J on proj ec l·:s as a non--uni.on cu1npany.

At thE! s a1ne l: i.11lC:!. 1 o t :n:::! ~; c1 y l:o the m:i.n:Lst.E!r, that :i.ndj.vidua] IAJho :is now a union company but hfls his non--union co 1npany set- up, lAr:ill s·i [· a t t h e n ''' (:3 o t·: i a 1: t n g i-. a b l o lAI ·[ l h L h lc! u n i o n c o n ·t r a c l: o r s a 11 cJ h e c a n s ·.i l·: ther e and agree to $50 an hour because hE! is saying. WeLl., I iAdl I never have to pay it anyiA kl Y because I have my non-un ion company. I am going to SE!l: up another company, and I have th:i .~; company over here that .is n o n --u n :i. o n .

I r· t h (~ u n ::i u n b o y s d r' <'! look :ing for ~~ 1 )0 an hour, hE• ca n agree with that because he js sitting at the negotiating tab le knowing full we]] that he wilJ never have to pay it. No. 17 ~~ 8 7 2

At the same time, the rt'verse is in order. He can say, Well, I wi 11 not agreE· with anythtng . I will keep negotiations going for a year· or· tlAJO year·s or· 1et. Uwm strike. let them do what they want to do, I arn a non--union outfit and it is not going to affect me anyway. So that is whE!re the problom comes :in, and it is a ver·y, very serious problem. It is a legitimate problem that the union SE!Ctor has in this Province. They find themselVE!S spending hundreds of thousands of dollars, somE• l:iTnE !S, t1ny:ing to organize an non-union employer only l:o Ftnd tha l: it ·is u1.1 in vain.

They have gone through t:he courts, they have gone through thousands of dollars, they have gona through two or three years of worbng at it, on1y to find that it: is all in tJa :in, becausE! he has the right to place that company over therE! l:o thE! right dnd sc::•t up anothe:~r one over herE! to the left. That .is a VE!lny, Vt,!\ny serious problem, and tL is an unfair labour practice. Mr . ~"3peak<~r, .iF we are E!Ver going to have pE•ace in the construction industr ·y in NE•wfoundland, lhE!n we have to rE!alize that.

We have to realize that it is a lE!g"itimate problem and IAJE! have t.o comndt. oursE<lves l:o clo.ing somc:•thing about: it. And we did commit ourselves. I ft::!el we cornrnittE!d ourseltJ<?.s to doing something about it. The Building Trades people presentE!d a brief to the Social Policy Committee of Cabinet in Februar·y, 1988. Three months aftE!r a CabinE!t order· WE!nt l:o the dr~ftspeople to put in place a bill. I havE! a copy of thE! bill here for any individual who wishes to SE!e it. L873 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI But the labour movE!ment ha s a very, very SE!rious problum and a very legitimate problem.

And we are not unique in Newfoundland. ThE!SE• problems haVE! bE!E!n around for a long, long t.irnE•. ~3ollle provinCE!S have dE:'aJ.t lArith LhE! issue. As I said, Manitoba, Ontario, Prince Edward IsJ.and, Nova ~"3cot:ia, and British Columbia haVE! deaJ.t Lt.d.th t.he probJ.on1. It . is not a perfect solution. ~3uddE!nly bringing in a bill is not going to be the pE!rfe ct solution t.o your problem, but it will reduce Jt quite considerably. r.Js I he>.tJt'! said, SOlllC:!hOl>-J L:J~· hdlJC! to achiE'VE! a ~]r'UC:·l LE!r' l"lll'd~;Ui''C ui " labour· peace ·in t:hE! iJr·otJin ce.

T h c ~~ u J ~~ c.~ c ('' r· t. a :·i n <c~ c• c tor· o t.l !· thel"::• r·ighl: n o tAl IAJhich LS ,·~ .1L\J ay~; r·eady t.o bJarnE• Ja bour · IAJhe n problE:'InS occur i..n thE! work pla ce . Well, that is one way out . I somwl:irnes wonder, though, hniAJ ITldny of these L\Jork stoppa~JE'S couJcl bc:-· a V 0 ".i d r"• d .

S 0 ill E! 0 f l: h (' :~; C! \AI U I" .~ stoppagE!S OCCU\~ fol~ Vl:'lny ~JOOc/ reasons, but T sornet. ·ilne~; luonder how rnany of thesE! could bE! aver ted o r· a V o .i d t> d .i f s "L 1 l"l p l c:• 1 i l: [·. 1 C! s a f e g u a r· d s t.u e r· E! b u :i J t. :i. n l. o t l·H · labour laws that WE! do have ln l.h o ProvinCE!. That is a pr:i.ITIE! example.

All it takes is a little b:it of goodwill to avE!rL cour tJP ss pr·oblr.:•tns in l~hE! consl::l"uc1: :Lo n industry and save thousands or dollars, as well, and prov.:idE! a wor·king environment, :i nc:i.dentaJJ.y, tAJhich pE!Ople, bol:h 'insidE! and outside the Province, can be ver·y, very proud of. lrJ e do have a l o" t o F p r· o j E• c l: s w h .i c h IJJe ar'E• hoptng Ll.Ji.11 bE: ' sr·art :in~J up in the Province in the not too distant future. You talk about 1-i:i..bern:ia and thE! ChtH'chi .ll project, aJ.J. of these, of cou1nse, would have special project designation. But WE! do haVE! to No. 17 1~8 7 3

create the type of climate, the type of environment within the Province that will attract industry and will attract business here. I say to minister, there has bE!en much consultation on the matter. She says she tnay not btni ng in l:he bilJ. th:i.s year; shE! has to rnE!et. with the Building Trades people again, she had to TTIE!et with various labour groups all around the Province of Newfoundland and l_abrador. I can unders l:and thE! min:i.ster want:irl~J to do that, but I would tell her that all that consultation has a]ready taking plaCE! . The non --un:·Lon sector, t:he u rd o n s E! c tor' , t h E!

N C L R A , t h e u rd o n conl:ractors, thc•y haurc! buc::•n talkt!d to on a numbE!r' of' d:.iff'r:•r'enl:. occasions, so rnany ·l::irnE!S that: thE!Y do not want to remember it. I think LhE! briE!f they prE!SE!nted l:o us said it aJ.J.. It is basE!d on thE! prE!IIlise tho .t thE! lE•g'.i.slaLLon effE!c liveJ.y dealing w:i. th that eviJ w'.i.ll be enacted during th'.i.s sitting of the House . MR. SIMMS: Who were the groups, again, that were consulted? MR.

DOYLE : !!lie had · the NCLI\A. lAJE! had the non -··union sector. we had the un to n groups, tJJE! had t:he FE•deration of Labour who rnentionE!d it on a number of different occasions in the Province, when we sat and heard briefs from these various groups. It has beE!n rnE:~ni:ioned in the Thr-one SpeE!Ch as weJ.] . And I notice it is also mentioned in the l.'.i.b~;; ~raJ. Party Policy Manual: 1 The Liberal policy of fairness and balance wJJ.l bE• the basis of negotiations with the labour movement.

Progressive and fair L874 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI J.egislatJon has to be developed to deal with issues such as doubJ.e-breasting, industrial st.c.'lndar·ds, thE! rn'inimum liJ<'1ge, ,'lnd pay E·qu:Lty. 1 Unfor-tunate1y. j.l d o E! s n o t ~; a y lJJ h r:?. n ·i l: i s g o ·i n g 1: o be dealt with. I believe the labour 1novenwnt in NewfoundJ.and and Labrador deser -ve~ ; to huve that b:ill brought in and brought in as quickly as p o s s i b l e ·.

I u~ n i n d i c ct I:E• 1: o i:. h e m:i.nJster', as lAH'!ll, that :if she will bring that bill before the House of AssE~mb]y dur:Jn~J· Lhi~:; siLting, i:.hat she will get a great deaJ. of co-·operal.':ion IY"·olfl Lhi~: side. lrJe are noi: g<t ·i.n(j i:.o block it :in any lAJay. !rJ(• are Y't:>spons':iblE•, r.t~; a llldt 'Lt' 'l:' o/ (--a c t , ,:-1 s L h E! r--o r· rn t:! r q o 1; (;• r' n 1 n e n 1: , f o ,~ h a v :i n g tn ad e t h E! Jn E! c o 1 r1111 c· n d i:d: :.i. n n t:ha t the boi,11 lAJOU ld bE! brOU(j hi: 'L n :in l:his sitt:J.ng of Lhc flou:::c!.

And a s I h a 1; t:• s a i d , l'-1tn . ~3 p c a k e r· , i 1:. L s not: a ·fc:·dr' 1abour' pl"dC L::i cl:•. J dlil S U In e -i f t: h E! lll.i n i S 1: (! I" lAii S h (! S i: 0 b r i n g j. t u p tAJ:i t. h t h e n u :.i -.1 d j n ~1 T r' ad e s C o u n c i 1 a n d b r· i n g l:: h 1::! 1 n :i n . tho FedE!t'C-~Lion of l.abou1···, {:he Building Trades Counctl and any other 1C-~bOUI" gt"oup :in thu Province, they will indicate i:.o the mJ.nister that they want to hatJE! i:hal: b.-i11 b1noughl:. in in thLs sit.t.:i .ng. MR . SPEAKER: Order, please! I rr:•rnind Lhe han. gE!nLlE!lllan hio; 1: :i !TIE! iS Up . MR.

DOYI E : Thank you, Mt". ~)poakur' . MS COWAN: Mr . Spoaker . MR. SPEAKER : ~r-he ___ h on. thE:~ Mj.n:i ster or No . 1 '7 1\874-

Employment and Labour Relations. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MS COWAN: Thank you, Mr. you to the Harbour Main, opening to this Speakr::~r. and thank hon. membco!Y' frorn for an interesting particular debate. I must say in beginning my response this afternoon, Mr. Speaker, that I am shocked on several points, on several accounts that this particular resolution is before us in the tlouse at this JTJOITient. A rE!Cess:i.on i s tAJ J·w. t b E! g a n U1 E! d o u b 1 e --b J'"' ~~ <:H l: i n g pi"obJ.ern. The rE!CE!Ss:Lon bE·g<Hl back in t·:he early 1980s.

Tn U1r:! ear·l.y 1980s 1.\JE! did not. know J"eally what Lh<'! i1nplical:ions would be, but there was the starting and the biJ"thplau~ of it. And laLer on, a~~ we moVE!d :into thE! rniddJ.e of t.hE! 1980s, IAJE! did begin to sGe doubJ.e -breasting and its implications for the construction worker in this Province. It seemed that j t fir·st bE· came an acknowlE•dgE!d problE!rn in 1987, some time after it First began. And the past goVE!rnmE!I1t took what l.~oJas a very, very shallow vi€~W in not r r::• ali zing what the imp 1 i cations of doub1E!· ·bn 'asU ng Jl..lerE!, why Lhey arose and how they could be resolved.

And that was -.illustrah!d most adeptly with thE! faiJur·e of the MOll. I think once that MOU failE!d, then the governmE!nt in power at that ti.JTJe began to realize just what an involved topic thE! wholE! arE!a of clouble --bl"C;ast·ing was . And onc1:• they realized the magnitude of the problem, they did not have the intestinal fortitude to do anything about it. SOME HON. MEMBERS: L.87S June 21, 1989 Vol X L.I Hear, hear! MS COWAN: We are now being rushed to do what t h e y i n d e ''! d d i d n o i: h a v (! L1·1 t:• courage to do.

Furthermor e, and this . amaZE!S nw E!lJE~n mor·e, especially corning from an individual on the other side of the House who I know has grea 1. respect for the labour movement, as I mySE!]f do, but I aHJ arnazed, M r . · S p e a k E! r , t h a t l: o d (:'1 y , tJ.ri l: h construction negotiations in a VE!ry cruci<.'l.l star31:>, that·: this statement wouJd be b~ought into l:hE! HouSE! l:o dE!bat:e, takL nq a p o s sib 1 e chan c.

E' ~~ o Jfl con c c u u J cl ~; <.1 ~/ s 0 I 11 E~ t h :i n '3 I u r I (! i L I· I (c! )"' ~; i d u u r: l. :·, (• I· I o u s e , t. h a t c o u 1 d p u t i n j l' o p a I" cl y very precarious nego~iation s.

B u t I h 61 v ('! t: 0 s c'J. y t h a l:·. ( d I 11 n 1) t: . d b . b . . surpr1se .y 1t, ecause 1t JS that sa me lack of s 1:! n s i l: i v .i 1: y l:: h ,) 1: c h a r' a c t e r· :L z E! d L hat g o v c-nn no n L ' ~; attitude towards labour relations Lhe Luho]e lilnE! :il J;.JdS in orr·:.iCC!, FuJ"l·:hermorE!, and this 'i.s 111y l:.h:Lr·d point on why I think it is unusual t h a t t h .i s b e b r' o u g h i: 1: o L h t:! 1-l o t.l s u today, it j_s d .1nplist :ic t.o say that finding a solution l::o doubJ.E! -bY'E!aS l:1C..cl C:Olllpanie~~ IA!(ll.i-ld solve thE! problE•Ins Ln the construe Lion industry.

Thrl t: is t o t a 11 y cHl d u t t e r· 1 y s i. 1 n p 1 i. s i· L c . It is one problem or JJJMny l lied plague the construction inclustry. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear·, hE!ar! MS COWAN: We cannot gu<u·ard:(!l':~, if we• brour:3hl: i.n a bilJ. today, or any type of an attE!Jnpt l~O J"I::!SO}tJE• doublP- .. brNlS ling, that . :1.1 L~JouJcl forestall strife in the construction industry. Now, going back again to thE! approach that I carE! to tak1:!, I am No. 17 R875

quite aware that sornr::! of thE! groups werE! rnet uri th by the past government, and those groups are only too glad to come in and taJ.k to lllE! aboui: :it again because I arn ltstE!nj .ng with Liberal E!ars, not fory E!ars. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MS COWAN: I fE!<:<l concernE!d. I thtnk these~ poor peopJ.e haVE! to sit. here and go thlnough th:is whole tiring again, but th ey do not.· se em to mind.

I explained to them that this governnl E!I'lt is ] abour·ing under a] 1 kinds oF hE:•,:wy burdE!nS, thdt. l:hc::!re are many things that have to be put in place other than lab our relations, and they appreciat e that. fhey realiLe that we are going to addrE!~~s the pr·oblem, they knot.1.1 we arE! s.inCE!rE• in statel'nE!I'd:s made throughout our ca1npaign, and in the Throne Speech, and they takE! con fort and heart !-rom thB.t. I din not going to, no1n tJJ.i ll rny government do any kind of disSE!rViCE! to any group.

WE! will cons u 1 t t.vi t h a 11, and :i. f in t. h o E!l"ld we have l:o take• solllE! dE!palnlutnes 'lhal do nol please ~;OirlE ! glnoups, then sobr,dt, we~ lArill do that. But wo will know what wo are getting into when we bring whatever we bring into Cabinet, and/or into this 11ouse. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hE!ar! MS COWAN: WtJ.l there be legislaU.on? I was asked that th:is morning, and I w:iJJ. say, agcdn, perhaps. I do not know whether there w:ill be legislatjon or not. There are other routes that might resolve it.

For example, :it couJ.d be lnE!SOllJE!d i:hrough thE! co11ect:iUE! bargaining arena, a very L8'76 June 21, 1989 Vol XU appropriate place to resolve any labour r·eJ.ated issUE!, the best placE!, really, in rny E!s'l:i1nat.ion. We could look at expediting certain procedures in the who]e ar·ea of labour' rE<lal:.ions and CdSE!S that come before the Labour Rcdations Boat·d. For E!Xarnpllo! I t:.hE• certification process may be too slow, and by addressing that we rnight indE!ed heJ p t.he constr·uc U .on :industry and help deal with the plnoblern of doubJe- -br·ea~~t::i ng.

But, Jet rnc sdy oncE• n1or· e, as I beg in l:o \AJ:ind up 111y paints I the~ COiflfnitiTlE!rlt :.i.s ther'(!. We at '(:! nu L go :ing l~o dr·aq our· hE!l:!ls, :,::'! di" 'r:! not go:.i.ng to ~~c-e the dr•1nj<;[:! of lh<· t r ad E• u n i. o n rn o u ::• rn (! n I~ i_ n 1:: h i s Prouj_nce.

Wt:• lAJanL a vi td:t E! c o n o rn y , d 1 1 d tAl u (' ::• a l i 1: c· l: h ,:'t l:. peaceful labour is part and parce] oF a vil:.a l E•COI'IUIIlY but tlJC! aJ:;o r·ea.J.:i.ze l.hE!re l:l1E! ch .. i.ckl:!n one l..hc• o q g t h i n g I t h i'l. t: y o u h a v e 1: o h a v c- a good e con om y i n o I" cJ e I" L. o g c· L g u o d labour relations. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MS COWAN: We will proceed prudently. When we act, we wilJ. bE! fully atAiat 'o of all !:he implical~:ions, bol:h positive and negative!~ and uJE' w:i] t not lead anyone down Lhe garden path.

Ther'E!folne, Mr. ~lpoakE!r' 1 I am not able to support the resolution as it stands today. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR. ~)PEAKER: fhc~ han . l:ho Oppo sition HouSE! LE!ader . MR. SIMM~I: Mr. Speak~<:•r I I wou1d likE! l:o haVE! a f E!l.V words to say on lh:i.s No . 1 '7 r~ s 76

resolution so ably presented by my colleague, the mEHnber for Harbour Main, a man who served briefly in a labour portfolio, and an ind:ividual who eat'ned, I beLi.E!VE!, in that short period of time a great deal of respect among not only the labour movelnE!nt but also aJl those people who are associated u.r:i.!:h this particular issue. I am disappointed that the tn:Lnist:er has left, and I extremely surprJsed that on such a contE!ntious · mati:E!r, su·ch a serious and ilflportant rnatt ·.er·, the IKi.n:ister' spokE! fain FivE• rninu t.E!S in debatE!.

I am absolutely surp1nisE>d that she would only take five minutes to enlighten us on the Liberal Party's posit ion with respect to this very serious matter. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, she spent most of that five rn:i .nut.es, of course, placing blame on thE! pinE·vious adrnin:Lst.raU .on and the FonllE!r' goVE!I"nmE!nt . rhat. is all irrelE!vant. What is past. J.s past, that is not what is important. ~3 he at!:E!mptc::~d, Mr .S peakE!r, l:o put up a good front in defence of th E!.ir very weak position on Ulis particuJar issue .

She tried to cloud the::~ thing and triE!d to make it a broader Jssue but, unf~rtunately, that is what delayed the double -breasting legislation in the first place. I thought she read her notes perfectly. I do not know who prepared them for her but undoubtedly somebody in the Liberal office prepared the political aspects oF it and obviously somebody in her dE!par·trnent helpE!d hE!r with l:hE! background, because she obviously is not too farni liar· w·i th :it, considering what she had to say. Mr.

SpeakE•r, as I said, this is L8'77 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI potentially an E!Xt.r'E!rneJ y gr·ave and serious situation, the issue of double-breasting. The question is: Is double --breasLLng right: or is it tAIY'ong? We on th:l.~; s:ide of l: h e H o u s ~~ , u.JI·H:! n L.\J e o c c u p i e d l:: l·w government benches, rnade ot)l" posit-.Lon VE!ry clc:!ar l:o the people who IAJere involvE·d in th:is; issue!, as we11· as l:o thE! <jener·al pub] .i.e of the Pr·ovjnce, that indeed tAlC! th-.Lnk the practice is wrong.

CornpanjE!S should not be abJe Lo, as t:hey dE!Scr-.ibe doublE! -breasting, operate both a union and a non -union subsidiary company, at the sa1ne t:irne, niE:!I"e] .y L1:J a'Jo:.id th!C!ir ob1igat.ion l·:o l·:!"·,·J .r.!c• '.Jnions 01n t.o col1E•ctj vc agr'E!UI'IIE·n l ~;. ~:; 0 lAJ (:' f (! 1 L l h d l_ I,\) ,:l ~; d t.;: j'' ()! I SJ pr·act:icc~. Cr·anl:E!d, it h, -~u <e•x i~. t-_,:•d for a ] ong per ·Jod of L j ITil', · nu quest ·ion about ·it.

But l~Je LIJC!J"e determ:LnE•d as a guvE·rnltlc•nL [..,, a d d r (! s s t. h a t p I'' o b 1 e tn , i.\ , ; d L n cl E! c• d tAlE! d:.id. ~>he accu~~ed u~:; or· do :in<J n o t h i n g a b o u t :i 1: . r-h r:! F a c l~ t:1 f ~ ~~ h ::· matlE!r is, as my coJ]uC1~JUC' des croibE'!d in hi.s fl''lAl co1111nr:!ni:.s, that we actually had ]egJslation prE!pai";:•d l~o d1::!al lAriLh e'1ilrl:i.na.t ·i.nq Lhis serious s:it.uat:i .on. That. i.~.ra'~ the original intenl:, by Ll'w tJJdY. The original intent was to deal with the double-breasting issue. Unfortunatc1y, LAJhat. Ci·\l fiC' aftertAJar·ds, l. hcc!

MOU, c loucJ;•d i:h::! entire jssue, made Jt very d-.ifficult to proceed specifically with the double-breastjng issue, and WE! got into a who1e sr:!ln.it:!S oF negotiation and consuJtatjon. The minister lj kes to irnpJ.y t:hat there was no consultation or negotiation. Well, I bPg Lo differ· w-L th her, and I din su1ne Ulf! previous Minister of Labour, Mr. Blanchard, would differ with her wholeheartedly, because he, I think, met: u.rtth just about E!UE!Iny group that might have had anything No. 17 1~8 7 7

to do with this at all, those representing both the union and the non -union sector, the NCLRA and the Federation of Labour as IAJe J.l , as other ·:L n tere s ted parties. It . is unfair to say, to imply tha-t there was no n E! got i at. ion , o 1n no ·t v E! r· y rnu c h neg o t j, at i o n or co n s u l t. at . :i. o n .

T hat just is not accurate. ~'\lh e n we got into that si tuab .on of having to consult, then the broader issue became the MOU, trying to deal t~.d. th all the othcH' pr·oblt: !lnS associated with the con s tru~tion indust ry and, unfortunat ely , th e gover·nm E!nt in"t.E!nt of pr ·esenting leg islation to the Hou se deal ing w:i . t h the dou b1 e- -b1nea s t:i n~J issuE! got bogged down . rherein lies the pr ·o bl en1.

Now thE ! rnomber in presE!nting hi s resoJ.ution has cJ.E!arly stat.Pd somE! facts in his prE!amble, and I implore the minister to have a look through it: Do not ju st slough :i.t off, do not just get up for five minutes and attack the previous admini stration, but come to terms with the real probl em. You ar E! now th E! governm ent . You can attack us all you want but that is not thE ! point. any 1ongE!r; you are the government and the people expE!Ct action. Certainly, in th is casG a lar ge se ct or of our soct ety ex pE! Cts the gov ernment to act.

The mE!rnber· says, 1 A ProvincE•lAr.ide general strike i.n the constructi.on industry is imminent this s u mrn e r . 1 I d o n o t t h i n k t h e r e i. s any qUE!Stion about that. That is a vt:~r·y, very strong possi.bi1ity. IF that were to occur, 1 am sure the minister would agree, it would haVE! a dE!Vastating effect on the economy of the Province. An awful lot of people would be sloughed out of work, and t.her'E• IAJould bE! a lot of work left undone, and l.878 June 21, 1989 VoJ. XLI communities IJJouJ.d suffE!r, .and so on. MS COWAN: You shou l.d h t-~ v e ht=!a r·d my ea r·l:ier· COJnlnE~nts. MR .

SIMMS: I a111 sorr·y! shouting acr·o ss . ? say :Lng. MS COWAN : Th e t hr::: ~ mini ster House. She ]_ ~; is You should have:! I'IIC!ar ·d my oa1 nl.iur· comments . MR . SIMM~~ : W h i'l. t E' a In l·.i (;! In C U I (I I(] 1:! n 1·: S ? Y () U 0 1'1 ly spoke For Five minutes, and J hE!i.'llnd U10se. Any1.11ay, Mr·. ~;puaker·, :if l.i1E' 1n:i. n :is l~ e r wo u l d stop .in t c• I"' In L,l p 1:. in •_j , pE!r'haps I could gE:d:·. on w·.·i l:.h -1ny t r d i n 0 f t h 0 U 9 h i~ . (l S [: h E! p I" E' d ITI b J (' points out as IJJE~1] -· the lll .i n :.i.~;Lr~l" obv.iotJsly dLd nol~ r:•. 'id U1::~

preamble; she could not have thousands of Newfoundlanders depend upon the construction .industry for jobs pr·ov.idc!d by l::l·1::! construction industry, seasonal employment .in 111o·;l~ cas1:!~;, dS l:hnir only SOUI"CE! of :inCOIII(!. The former administratjon had d r· a f l·: e d l e g i s l a t i. o n , A n {i r. I~ r o Arn end ThE! Labour f\e1a l:.i.o n ~. () ct., 1977. Vc-u· .i.ou s sub se ctions in Lh.~t logislation deal spE!C:lf:i.caJl.v l.v:ith business1:!S undE!r COIII I'non conl:Tol which addr' E•sses d:i.r·E ·ct.Jy Lh E:! ques t:ion Or doub 'le·-br( !i.'!S tinq .

"WHEREA~~ thE• doub}E! -bY' E!aS Ling issue continues to cause labour unrest which endang ers empJoyment s (! c u In ·.i t y i 11 I~ h E!. C o 11 s t n .1 c t ·i. o n Indu s try . 11 No question abou t Lha t fa c l~ and all of tho SE ! fact s, Mr·. Speaker·. ~)o I a~;k -l :he min:isl:E!r' to tr E!al: thE! issue a liU:lE! irlCH'E! ser·j .ously. It is, in fact, too serious, in my viow, to try to No . 17 R878

score cheap polit ical points. It is too important a matter. Members opposite seem to be totally unconc erned about that fact, the fact that it is a potE!ntialJ.y dang(:~rous situation. As I said in rny earl iN ' comments. it is crazy to be spending the l:ime oF the HouSE!. espE!C.ially when it . is only five mj .nutes, attacking the previous admin:istral:ion. Who really cares about past history? If y (w want t: o a t t a c k us • fine , attack us. We do not mind that . 13ut: do not: was\:E! youi" c~ffort argu:i ng about t.he past: · 1.1.Jhen you should be exerting effort to corr'E!Ct the pr·oblE!I TI.

That j s the liJhOlE! point. rhe past. is lhe past. l.et us deal with the future a n d 1: h e q u e s t. i o n . Ill! h a t i s In i r:.1 h t :is d .gh t. Double--br_E!ast:i .ng legisl ation should be bro ught in, no question about it . I do not kn ow if members over th el"E ! oppoSE! it . I do not E!Vr:!n know what their po sition is on it. Surely they should be able to address Hlclt question, and that is what Uds resolutton is tr·ying to do . So thE! govel nniTl enl shoL;ld get on wi th that job. They should moV E! along. For·get attacki ng th e pr evious admini stration. We will take our heat.

We are not too co ncr:>rn ed ab out: th at at all. Time will tell what happen s in th is Province with respect to the L:i beral Party. MR. WALSH : All you are talk-.ing about is thE! past. MR . SIMMS : Sorry! I!' 1E! rnE!rnber for Mount Sci.o Bell Island is shouting across thE! floor as we 11 . lrJ hat is hE! saying? MR. WALSH : For the past seVE!n minutes all you L879 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI have beE!n r--eferTing to ·is the pa st. MR. SIMMS: No, I arn not. . I am taJ.king about the future and bringing in legislation to correct Lh is situation that now exists. MR. WALSii: Stop referring to the past. . MR.

SIMMS: I am not referring to the past. The minister· is the onE! IAiho referred to the past. rhe hon. lliE'ITibc•r fot~ Mounl: Sc:io - f.)c]] [sldnd should pE!I"haps <JO Ol.J:,!r and havE! a t a J k t-. o h j ~~ c l'l J ] c· a g lJ c· . l"hal: is ,'1ll she Si:i11d Ln 1'1,,!(' I:L<J<:' minut.E'!S, and I i-l.tn pointo:ing oul that lh•'lt. lAid'::'" i_,_Jasl:c:! of t·:t .:1r:~ d i''d a IJ.Ja~~te of eFI'or·t.. She~ accust~d u~. o f no t h a v .i 1'1 9 l hE! c o u r a'] o l:. o l:H· ·i. i'I'J in th(:~ appropriate J.c,gisJ.ation or' to do so1n(~l:hin9 ab<)UI: Lhe p r o b 1 e rn .

I a 1r1 n o t q u :i t rc' ~~ u r· c IAJ h d i. s he 1.1.1 d s say ·in g . T as s 111 n e ·:. h (' lAJ •'l s saying LuE' d:id no-t hctve l:hl:' C(.>IH··a~F· to bt"ing Ln 1-:he logislal:.ion l:.hal: would right what is wrong. I a s s u rn e t h a 1: i s lAl h cl t s h r.=• L~ll:'l s saying. ShE! :i.s: not giving 111C' di 'IY :ind"icc:'ltion, but:. I ctssu:n(:• Lh;'l.t .i.s what she was saying. Well, if that i.s her imprc:·s s: i.on. how then ca n we sa y tha t the Jeg'islation :i~~. :in f e~ ct ., :i.n p]act:·. it .i.s there r E!~'Idy l:o be prE!S E!ntu d to the Hous e of AssE:!ITtbly?

We hacl the legislation actually prepa re d SOITIE! li1ne ago. As I sa·.icJ, u nf or t:u na tr:• 1 y what hap po ru :!d IJ.Jd s all of the oth er :issue s ca rne in to being . Th ere W E!r ·e so rnany group s out thE!re th at st arted makin g r o p r e s r:-n t a t :i o n s l: o L h E! p r c• (J i o u s MinistE·r· of · Labour ·. tha t the actual pre se ntation of the J.egislation -- got bog~1ed d o ~;,m because we were 1-:rying to deal with aJ.l of th es e ot.her issue s. I per·sona1ly bel:iE !Ve, at t:h:i s point: No. 17 R879

in time, that maybe that was a mistake. As one individual, I think that maybE! that was a mistake. We should not have gottE!n boggE·d dot.un wil:h that. We should have proceeded in dealing with the issue that was raised with us in the first plau', which was the issue of double-breasting. The minister says double-breasting is only one issue. That. is what she said in her five-minute cornrrtE!ntary. I agreE! with her. That is exactly the point I am trying to rnakE! now. If she recogniz(:os that doublE! ·--br 'E!asting is onE! issue and only one issUE!, thE!n why dOE!S shE! not dual t.u·i.th that one issue?

She will still have time to consult wi th all these other sectors that she is referr :ing to to l:tny l":o dt;•al tAli l:h the other problems that have become well known Lhroughout the ProujnCE!, all the ot.hE!r j_ssues that were brought up during the c o n-s u 1 t a t i o n p e r :L o d a n d d tH ' i n g l h E! negotiation pE!riod. ;)hE! can st.i 11 consult with the Federation of Labour. She can still consult wj th the Build:i ng Trades CounciJ. . She can still consult with the NCLRA, the non -union sector and thE! union sector. She can still do all of that.

But, surely, if she herself has acknowledged here in the House today that. double----br'east:ing "is but one issw?., and what this resolution deals with is this one issue, she could tell us whether or not the government intends to deal with that one issue. The question is: Will the minister bring in leg islation to eliminate double -breasting? That is the question. That is the one, single issue that we are trying to zero in on and Focus on. Now, the government said in the L.880 June 2J, 1989 Vol Xl.I Throne SpeE!Ch ·- I do ned: have a copy of it d.ght in front oF rne. I do now know if my friend does. MR.

DOYLE : No, I do not . Mf~. SIMMS: WE<ll, E!VE!l~ybody l~(:!i"llE!InbE!r·s. rhe Th rone in the know, goVE!r'nl'fiE!nt said in the Speech, or· made~ a ref erE• nee ThronE! SpeE!Ch, as we aJ.] with respect to this issue - MR. DOYI E : They uJould consuJ.t·uJ :lc~ c1y wi th the labour mov(''lil ent. 1'-11\. 5IMM;3 : My fr:i.E!I"ld i.n labour' repE!al. :tt it a•jain? MR. DOYLE: hE!r'E' , who 1na t.: l: E!i~s, v E• r' bat. i n1 . j S d II c <0111 Could Page 7, third paragraph . 1'1f~. DOYLE: CXPE:'lr' L al1no~ .l~ you s.:-1y ThE! y wo u 1 d cons u 1 {: w:-L do l y t~d 1: h thE! labour ITIOVE!ITIE!nl, MR.

SIMMS : Page 7, third pa ragraph. flere is '"''hat. Lhc "lhr'orw says, Mr. SpE!akE!r . [ rE:~peat. it.. I shou1d r'E!ad thE! r'E!COrd .

Ok c·1Y. ~~ p (' (" C i· I should j_l:. in l.:o ~1r. f:i.VE! doid, y t' t. 1 ;:;peakE•r, I have ali"Cc'J.dy sd.id times as much as the rrr:inisl:E!r' and I dirl ned: ev(Hl Finished only half way through. 11 In recE!nt: years, econorn: i.c dE!Velopment in NE•t.ufoundland and Labrador has been impeded by an U 1"1 S (:! t: t l E! d ·li.1 b 0 U r' C J. i Ina l: E! . 11 I h d.i: is intE•restj_ng, bc•cause aJJ. k:ind~~ of other independent agencies have said pub1tc1y that econcnnj c development in Newfoundland has proceeded and progressed considerably in the last number of No. 17 R880

years. That is an interesting statement but, granted, it is a partisan document . We will let them have their say. 11 My GoVE!rnmE!nt is deterrnined to achiE~VE! a morE! p1noducttve and_ amicable labour relations environment and to deal directly with the issues that are contributing to this situation. 11 Deal directly with thE! issUE!S contributing to this situation. · MR. DOYLE: They ITien·t:l oned doubJ.e -br·east:i ng. MR. SIMMS: Double -breasting? They go on to mention that specificaJ.ly? You are kidding! 11 fheSE! are d·iFficult .issues und there are no easy solutions to them.

However, My Government commits itself to a Full consultative process with both organized and non-organized labouJn, and lJ.I'.i l:h managel'nE!nt, t.o address such issues as double-breasting, industrial standards, essential workers, rni n i mum l.>Ja g e s , o c cup i.'> tiona l h r:! a l t h and safet.y, and pay E!quity. 11 So, given the line of thinking E!Xpressed by thE! ministE!r· today in th:i.s debate, is the min:i."~ter· then saying that l:hey ctn• not going to deal wjth any specific issues, they are going to deal with all of these issues in a consultative procE!SS, and, afl:E!r thE!Y have consul. ted on aJ.l of these issUE!S, they will bring in legislation, then, to deal lJ.Jit.h all of these .issues togethE!r.

That is the way I wouJd read it from what the rn .in .i s t e r has said . 0 thE! rlJ.ri s e , lJ.J h y couJ.d she not deal specifically and d'irectly with thE! quE!Stion of double-breasting? And that is what thE! resolution asks, nothing l.88] June 21, 1989 Vol XLI more, nothing less. It is all ready, aJ.l developed, all put together, and members opposite should get ofF their' fannies and start acting on behalf of the peoplE! of the fll"ovince, t.o br '::i.ng in lE!gislation that is so L<.Jidely required and so widely asked for. Now, Mr. Speaker, couplE! of poinl:s I It might takE! ITIE! a rnake thE•m, but.

I emphas:i.ze thEHTI . I onJy have a want l:o makE! . bJt J.onger to am t:ryJng l:o The min:i~;t:E!r', a~; lAlE.!11, ITJdclc· hc:~r· cornrnents, ( think, in a nE>qdi·.LtH! Fash:ion, ancl il: . i~; ve1ny unbc•co:llin~:J ofc hE!r. ~)hE! is sl:.ill i.n a learning process. I suspect shn i.s rj:::•l:tinq all kind·; .:,r-- .,dv ~ r::• f In 0 rn h E' I" C 0 1 ] (! i~l g L1 (• ~~ 0 p p 0 ~~ j l.. c~ (l n how to approach Lhr:! Hou·~·C! <)f: Assembly, and I hopE! shE• j<~ not taking any advice fi"Uln Lhu II'IE!IIIber for St. John's Soulh (Mr.

M u I" p h y ) . [ h o p r'! no 1: , u n 1 :"! ·:. ·:; T l.\J ;:1 ~; tAJJ·'ong :i.n readin~J L he Jllc·mbur·' ~. in t. r:! n t .. Lon f I'· o ill h i ~:; s p c (! c h yesterday in the Legislature on the Budget, because it was, [ t: h o u g h t . u n b e c on J:i. n g o f h :i. 1 n . I d :i d no t r' r? a ·1 l z e l·w h <"~ d U1 <'~ t: n a ~- 1: y streak in hirn, but he• cer·La:in1y showed it yestE!rday. I hope she is not taking advice frorn the l n t:! rn b E! r F o r ~3 t:. J o h n ' s ~'3 o u l~ h . ( irnpJore h('l" l:o takE'' advicr• r·i'Uill the Minis\:E'r oF FishE!I"ies (Min. W.

Carter'), and I lAJOU] cl have sa:.i d U1c:! President of freasury Bodrd (Mr. Baker), until I heard today somE!l:hing he sa·.i.d ·- I d Ld not hc!M' it:., but I am told he had sa:icJ something . I am checking Hansar·d to see what hE! said or :impl:iE!d and, if hr:! did, [ w.i ll cr::•r'\:.din'ly be lna:ising a po:int or· or·der. But. normally the President. oF l"lnC:!aSul~y Board is a sensibJe individual. EtJE!n the Mi.niste1" of Education is starting to corne along a little bit. So maybe she should take her No. 17 R88J.

'" adv ice from those people, as opposed to taking advi ce from, say, U1e Minist E!r of EnvironmE!nt or the Minister of Social Service s o r t h e M i n i s 1: E! r of T r a n s p o r t a t i o n wh o sits in front of hE!r, or certainly, the M:inish~r of liE!alth . MR. WARREN : The Mini ster o f For estry . MR . SIMM S : ThE• Moi.nisi:E!r of FOI"estry, I haVE! nothj .ng to say now about the M'inis tt:!l" oF ForE!stry. I sai.d it: all today. lhe Minister of Health is probably one of the 1n o ~.l: arrogant mini sters over there right now and he has only been thel"E! six weeks.

Anyway, I sugge st to t:he m i ni~; ter, i:t'lkE! advicE• fi"U ln so1n E• of UlE! rnoi ~E! cornpE!tent peoplE! :i.n Cabinet, people who have a reasonable approach to things. I su~JgE!Sl t.o her she should not get herself caught up and dragged into any kind oF negative approach. Because IAJhat she said today, whE!n she accused this party of not having the courage to br ing in this lE•gislation, [ mean, sh E! cannot be accusing us of that . She must be trying to accuse us of not having the courage to try to resolve that entire labour rEdat:ions pr ·oble111, and that : is not true.

I rnean, WE! had thE! coul~age, becausE! IJJE! certainly tried for 1nonl~hs and months to l"E!So1ve it. But she said she was surprised that we wou1d even dare bring thi s resolution in. And what she is dooing, Mr·. SpeakE!r - and she probably does not E!VE!n rE!aJ.izE• :i.t: she is attacking the labour HIOVE!fllE!I1l. SOME HON. MEMBERS : No, no! MR. SIMMS : L.882 June 21. 1989 Vo1 XL.I Because, Mr . Spt~aker, I can assure you, the labour rnoVE!ITient of th:.i s Province want this legislation brought ~in.

My co] JeagUE!, the mt~rnb<:!r For HarboUI " Main, has c o n s u 1 t E! d a 1 r· E! a d y tAri t h a 11 1.1111 b c r· o f groups who arE! inLE!i''E!Sted in Ut .is legisJ.aLLon.

And it ·is not. only because of our own interest in rt::~soJ.ving this pr·ob1E !Irl and l.r-y:i n~J to deal with thi s particular issUE!, but it is becausE:• of thE! encouragement and tho insoisLence and representation~; ITJdcie by l.hC' 1 cl b o u r' rn o v E! mE! n t t: h <i t IAJ e d I" e push:tng th:i ~; par·t:icu1ar :.i.s su t:• . ~;o w h e n s h e s a y s l:: h t:! p d r· l: y o p p o s i l: ::• cl i d no -L: h a v e t h C! g 1.1 t s 1: o cl u I. I 1 :i. !'~ o r· t: h ''! c o u I" d <3 t:• l:. o , .I o I~ i : .~, 1: , · 1 ' d ~:. h 1:! J.

S V l:! r' y S Ll r' pI~ i S E! d IAJ (' IAJ () ll ~~ cJ (I V (' 1'1 dar't?. br··ing th· Ls r·c-.·: ;nlul· ·Lr ln Ln today and a]] th at, ~~hl:' j ~; c:d slin9 t: he s d mE! I< in d o 1-- ,~ C! (' l•:• c l: [ Jt s ,_, n t:hE! Jabour J'flOVE!lfll:!l'l t .

J IAJOUJd caution hE! r a rJ a i 11 s t t: hat . [ (3 u e ·; ·; she does not got a chance t0 sp uak i.n t:hE• dE·bal: .e agai.n, bul~ I rtsk hE·r t:o con ~dder· IAJhal·:. sh e hdd L(l ~:;d y today i n t h a t s h o r· t f L v E:! 111 :L n u 1:. o address that she <:Jaue on such a v C:! r· y s e r oi o u s i. 111 p o I"' 1: a 11 l: 111 a n rlic! 1" .- r IAJouJ.d ask her Lo cons:i .dc•l" JJ.tha 'l:. ~.hC' said . Go up ,:~nd ask Hansa;"d fol" a I . ' r.

I t I I J l .: r a n s c r· :1. p t o 1· 1,u '1 a ·: ~. 1 e ·1 " (: .. o ~:. d y , although I guess she has a copy of her remarks bE!cause, as I said, shE! rc•ad the ncd: .c•s IJE:ry LAJoll, I FE!Jt: . But in that presentation today she clE!arly r:JaVE! the i.mplnE•ss:ion that this government is not . pr·E:!parE:!d l:o move in resolving such a very important 111atler·. And I do not understand, quiLe frankly, why they wou1d take that. applnoach.

I do not. bE•J.iE!VE! for·;: :~ i'llOIIlE:•nt t.h,'i.l: thE ! mt::•lnber ·s of' L.he backbench, dc n.un ther'E! in thE:~ Hogan's liE!roes Corner they caLl. ::i.t, or tJJhah•VE!r it is, I cannot beliE!Ve for one! lnOITIE!Il-1: that they agree with the L.iberaJ GovernmenL's position on No . 17 R882

double --breast l ng, their position to put it off, defer it. I cannot beli eve that they are prepared to put off this l E! g i s l a t i o n . f1"1 (! y s h o u 1 d be pounding on the door of the Minister of Employment, pounding on the PJ"E!miE!r 1 s door and saying, 1 I..O()k, 1el:. us act on this issue . Th:i .s is a VE!ry important mat.tE•r. We should deal with "it. We recognize there are other labour relations problemsin this Province .

We recognize that, we know that, and let us deal with tl-10 s e , too , but. let us g E! t on w:i t. h onE! of thE! major issues fac.ing the Pr'ov:.incE:! jn l:he const.ruct::ion indus Liny l:oday which is \:o JnesolVE! this particular issue . 1 And I lAit·lnt l:o a ~~ k th E'! minis ter ' if sho would rE!COnsi de r what she had to say and perhap s go out and me et with the pres s. We wil1 even attempt to get her an interview on l:hE! pr'E!SS, br:! Ci.'lU SE! E!VE!Iny tiiTIE! shr: ! gli: ''t.s on CBC or NTV le1evj_s:i.on :L ~~ betl:E'I" for US, moinE:~ points foln us.

We would Jike to get lwr on again tonight and ask l'l(H' if she would reconsid E!r flE'r position, w h ·i c h s E• r,• m s \: o b e s o f j r· 1 n l y entrenched. That is one of th e lessons you are suppose to lc~arn in politics, not to get yourself so firmly entrenched in a position you cannot sort of be flexible. FJ"orn what she said today, I take it that this government. will not be bring .i.ng in lE!gislation l:o dE!al with double -brea sting in this session of the House. I think that is what shE ! has said . She certainly said it publicly.

Am I correc t , that th~ ! ministE!r irnpJ.i E•d they will not bring in legislation th:i.s session? MR. DOYLE : Not only has she has also she said that, said they rnay but not L883 June 21, 1989 Vol. XLI br"ing it in at all . MR . SIMMS : PE!rhaps the Government flous e Lt:!adc~r· can nod . M R . lrJ A R R EN : Is it yes or not? MR. GRIMES: IF you had listened to her the first time you would know. MR. SIMMS : But I did listen. That is the prob]E!JTI, Mr'. ~)peakcr·, becau~~C! Lhl' mE! rn be I" F o ~~ F: x p 1 o i. 1: s ( M I" .

C I" i 111 (! ·;) injccl.s nOlAI, the llldl1 J,uho :;hol~:lr! l:n· i. n C db i n e t , u r tAl o u 1 d be 'L n C:> b i. 1·1 col~ i.F he! had hi:; L\Jay. flul lw inl~E·Injr:•cl:s dl'!d Sd'jS 'Y:•u c·: 'IO tJ1 tj h a u E! J. :i s t·: E! n e d . ' W C! ] 1 , L h a I. ·j ·, p r ::! c i s e 1 y w h a t h a FJ p o r1 r:· d , r d \ d Jisten, Mr. SpE!akE!Y'. EJut. everybody is totally confused. Would l:he JTI.inJsl.er' ju~~~~ . noel? h!il! ~~~ h (! q 0 \) (! In nln (! n t b C"! b r· i n q i. 1'1 C3 ·L n J. r::• g j_ s 1 a t::i on d c· aLi n ~J 1'1 ·! l h double-breasting in this session of the House?

W :i. 1 J t h P ITI .l. n :i. ~~ t E! r 1 t o; L E! n t o l. h C'' q u e s t i. o n f -i. r· s t? I h i:'L v t:! 1·1 o i: t:! tJ u n asked the question. MR. DECKER: rhat is silly and stup id . MR. SIMMS: Oh, thE!re he is! Arrogc'.lni:! SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR . SIMMS: I susp ect the Minisl:E!r of lieall:h has bi"E'akfas t lAJ:i-t. h thE! flln( •Jn:ie r E!VE!ry single mor'n .ing, accor·cLi .ng Lo how arrogant he is after get ting . Now, the question LiberaJ. Government lE!gis1a{:ion to this No . 17 is: Will the be pr'E!SE!I1"l ~:i.ng HOUSE! .in l:his R883

SE!SSion - which includes the FaLl sitting - to eliminate the problem of double-breasting? Will the government be doing that? The mini ste r does not hdve to stand and take my timG. Can you nod? Can you do this? Can the minister do this, or can he do this? All he has to do is this, or this. The minister can speak in the debate. He can tell us. But, obviously, he wiJl not tell us. MR. BAKEl~ : I wiJJ.. MR. SIMMS: WeJJ., whctt i~~ :Lt.? Ml~. BAKER: W o u 1 d t h E! h o n . r11 E· rn b E! 1~ y i e J d r-· o r-· rn~;;· to give an answer? Ml~.

SIMMS : flow rnuch t:ime do I have Wc:<l1, in that case, I will let tilE! nri.nistE!r answer·. Jeft? sit amJ MR . BAKER : The answer is very simply this - MR. SIMM~): ~·; a matter oF fact, my t .. i..mE! has E!Xpired, Mr'. SpE!akE!r. I arn surr'y I did not havE• a bit morE! time. So you are the Speaker now. SOME fiON. MEMBERS: Hear, hE!<."l.r! MR . SIMMS: Come on! CornE! on! Come in! He rE!COgnized you. SOME HON. MEMBERS : HE!al~, hE!ar! MR. SIMMS: On a point of order, Mr . Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Order, pJ.ease! 1._884 June 21, 1989 Vol XU I had- not recogniz1:•d thE! rnember'. Th<::~ hon.

Opposition Leader was still speaking. stiJl have the fJoor. Mf~. ~HMMS: hon. flou::e You I have not even raised my point of or d e r y E! t , M l" . ~~ p E! a k e r . You a r· E! amazing. fhe SpE!c1ker is amazing, absolutE•J.y amazing. fiE! can E'VE!l"J read rninds. And he can rE!ad 11rinds likE· rnEHnbers 1 • I arn r·j sing on a point of order, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKU~ : Hon . Oppos:i .tion l·lou~~r> l.E'!ddCI", dl"l'! you on a point of order? MR. SIMMS: Y e s , M r· . ~3 p e a k C:! r . i'-'1 y t "L 111 t:! h a s c? x p "i. r c d , [ "1 Jn t·. o 1 l.l b y t. h e Cl. e ~~ k .

I d -:i. d n u t g c· t a I :L l.t 1.:' rninutE• noticr:!, by l:h1:• tvay, Luh·i.ch :Ls the pract.j.CE! that has nor'nJal 'ly been used. Can I ask the Goul:'l"rliiJUnl fluu~.c Leader, in this point oF order, Mr. Speaker, bE!cau se :it :.is certainly a point oF order that dPals Lv:i th pr.H·J:i.<HliC !I'I l..c H 'Y procedur'E•: TI'JI':! Jfllll'i..s Le1~ \.\Jd~: p I'' E! parE! d t u Ci n <dAJ (! r' L !1 c q u E:! ~'; t. :i. o J'J . Since he is not go-.ing l:o spc:!ak in this dE:~batE! nE!Xt, lAJould he go doLAJn <:>nd tE· .11 !:hE! man lAJho should bu 'Ln t h C:!

C"' b :i. n e t , p r· o b db J y c• v c n \:. ! 1 c GoVE!rllmE!Ill:. House LeadE•r, wh,;d: thE! responsE· to rny quost:ion wou]d be? That is a11 r would ask hi111 l:o do on that poj .nt of or·der, M1·'. Speaker, and a ucc!J~y va 'lid point: or= order'. MR. BAKER : To that po:i nt of oJ~dc·r·, Ml ". Speaker, Lhe Opposil:ion l!ous1:! Leader ve1oy weJ.J. knmv~~ t.hat lAJhat . hE! has -done is not a point of order. MR. SIMMS : No. 17 f\ 8 8 /.j.

I will give you time to answer the question. MR. BAKER : The~ record w~i.Jl sho~1J in the three or four weeks that the has been opened, Min. Speake~r, last House~ that of he has ris€H1 on 1nc1ny points order· --- MR. SIMMS : Th1nee to thre~e. MR. BAKER: and points of privilege, and more often tha~ not the Speaker has had to ad111on=Lsh t.hE~ Opposition House Leadr::•Jn, that: tAJhat he i_s doing is noL really a point of pr:.i.v:i.lc::!ge. T LIJou1d l:Lke Lo point out to YouJ" HonouJ" Lhat Lh=i s :is in fact not a point of privilege. MR. SIMMS: I did not raise a pcd nt of pr:ivilc::!ge. MR .

BAKER: It is ~drnply that the member· has taken an opportunity to make an addi t:i.onal point th<:-lt he did not have tt1ne· t:o makE! in dr:•bat:e. So, Mr . SpeakE!r, this is not_ a point oF ordetn, or· pr ·iuilt:!ge, or· a point of anything eJse. It is simply an attempt by the Opposition House Leader to get in a few extra words. Mr~. SPEAKER : fhere is no point of order. The hon. the' l'llE!JnbE!r' for Stephenville. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. K. AYLWARD : lhank you, Mr. Speaker . You JAJouJ.d think, Mr· .

Speaker, listE!ning to the fotniTIE!r GoVE!rnmE!nt House Leader and now Opposition L885 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI House l.eader, l.eader number two, that we do not take this issue seriously on this side of the House, that we are undertake to resoJue not going to the problem. Mr. Speaker, onE! of the things J was taught as a young man was that if you are going to build a house, you nE:!edE:!d a foundat:ion. SOME HON. MEMBER~: HE!ar, hear! MR. K. AYLWARD: You jusl: do not: ju111p :Ln. you do youl" hornetAJor·k f:Lr·st: and t.h(Hl you rndke the Jnight moues 1-o n•sollJE' the PJ"obJern.

N o IAJ I k n o !AI tAlc· h f.! \) "' b c:• c• n h c· I" "' -1 r' n ~! E! no u 9 h t: o s c)lt;c::" 1: h _i_ s p n .!/:) 1t · 111 , many, many year·s and so 011 r:·uHJ ~·' -' for· i: h. lrJe havE! had a numb t:! ,~ of discussions. WE! have had a guod chanCE! t:o hc>.tJE! conci] i.dt-:ion tJ..Jil:.h a. numbPr' oF !::he~ 1abour ~Jr·oup~:; ::in the PlnovinCE!. But_ SpeakE!!", is Opposi. tion, onE! gouernrnE·nt do undertake t:o do what: 1,;,;:;! n r:• n d , i'·1t" . an understandJng which will let the its job. that job. And IAJC~ The M·inist:er· oF Employmc·nL and Labour RP1aU.ons :Ls do::i.ng that job.

She has undertaken a process of discus~;:ing thj .~; major :L<;stll" or doublo·-bl"(;asting l.IJith c'1il l.!-:::! 1 abo u r g r· o u p s :i. n t. h u P r' o u ::i. n c e , with all the employer groups tn the Province. These discussions ai~E! ongoinq. ThE!Y ai~E· go·ing t:.o b::! ongoing, and LAJC:' tAril1 be attempt :1 n~J to 1nesolve thE! problE!ITI. WE! will be undertaking to do so as soon as possible.

This process has start:ed and I have a 91"E!cd :. cl!'a] or confidE•ncE! t:hal: uur 111Lnisl:ur· and our Cabinet and our government: wili-CE!rtainly bE! corwing fot~t.IJdl"d with recommendations t:o help rosolve the problem. Whatever those recommendations may bo, we No . 1 7 f'8 8 s

will come forward with some solutions and hopefully we will be able to resolve this very major problem. And it is indeed a major problem in this Province. Double--breasting has caused a great deal of labour unrest in Net .. JfoundJ.and and Labrador. It has affected many workers in the Province and their· famili.E!S. And a lot of companies have had to struggJ.E!, al.so.

It is bPcause some compan:.i.es have decJch:•d to ope1nat.e on both JevE•J.s, haVE! decided to set up businesses on the side which are doing s:LndJ.ar· liJ o 1n k , p E! r· F o nn i n g l: h E! s a Ill e fun ctions so as to l:i.,.kE' advant .age oF the loopholE!S i.n thE! sysl: .um Ll.lE! nOL\J ha ve. l.,Jc hav e to a c! cl 1n e~ ;~; lhat pr·obl(!ln. A s t h e M i rri s h! r· o f r:: rn p l o y nw n t a n d Labour f~e]ations pcdntE•d out:, the r'E!CC:! SS:ion bt·ougllt thin•:JS un dnd btnought them to a head .

With the lack of opportunities and a srnaller markEd:, a lot of the businessE>s out ther'E!, a J.ot of thE! construction compani(!S and so on, had a srnaJ J.E!r market to co1npE>i::e :i.n and, thE!Inefore, WE! haVE! nov.J SE!E!n the E!VOJ.ution of the pr'OCE!SS corm:! t:o a head. I think, Mr. Speak r::!r, wl·l E•n tl.lE! at·e discussing this ·probJ.em and discussing the solutions this government j s going to br·ing forward, WE! should put .it in historical perspective. You see, in 1985 the former, former MinistE•r of Labour, the han.

Ted Blanchar·d, who was a cr'E!d'ible rnint s'LE!In for· LhE! plnE!Vious adm .inistr·ation, struck a ccHnmitteE! to do a report on the construction industr·y. That was headed up by Gordon C . Easton, Chairman . They c om p l E! ted the rep or· t w i \: h a numb e r· of recommendations about how to L886 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI deal with the double -breasting t s s u e i n Ute c o n s t In u c t:. i o n industry. These recommendations have been in existence For the Jast. LhrE!e to f'our· yE•al"~;.

As a mat:tE!r of fact, Mr. ~'3pt::!akE!In, when you look at the original drafl the previous 1ninis\:E!r, the mE!rni ::H"!r for Harbour Main, is talking about , this prE!V"ious drar-t thE·y tiJE!r'e th:inking about br':i .ngi.ng :i.n, they could havE! donE! that, Mr. ~3pr::!ab:!r', :.i.f they had opE:•ned t.hc flous( ;! before they called the election.

Elut t.hE!Y d:id no l: do thal., and that is the way .it went. rhc•y had dra.ft .(:• d lhi.s bill, supposE•d1y an C\lll( :•ndlilenL Lo ti1 (~ Labour R e l a l: .ion s A c t , •'t 1'1 d t·: h C:' y 1,\J c r e go :i. n ~J to b 1·' :.i. n ~J :1 l ~i n . f1 t 1 !. ·.i r· <J 0 b d C k 0 V lc< I" 1: !·: 1:• 1 ,01 ~.; l: l:. h I"' : :! ('! 0 (' four yt::!ars you ur.i.1l r·ind Lha 'l. <·:·t lot of the 'infor'llla Loion dnd s i1ni l.ar :i.deas uJc:~r'E' put. f'orwcn·d by l..hl :! Chi'lir-·man and by Lhr:! Con~.t·:I"UC:l:i.un In cl Us t.

Y' y Ad V :i. s 0 In y Co ITIITI ::i. t. l e C' , l).l h j c h pI"(! p l'll" 10! d t !'J c• r· ::! p 0 I'' l: . I' h C! In t'! f 0 I''(' , the i.nfonnat.ion had bec·n jn t.hc :! hands of the• former adrnin'isl:rat.ion for' the last L:hrE!E! Ol " fouJ" yoar·~:, and if t. hey had s e 1n oi o us l y L1.ld n l:: c J t o r· E:' s o J v E• I': 1·1 t:! :.i s ~~ u ,,, , L l·w y h d d t h ''!i r o p p o r· l: u n i t y . T h ::~ y I' C! a L l y did. As a 1nat l.cr of fa cl:., at that .

L-irnc • t h r::• y s h o u "[ d h a v 1'.! u n d C:! r· L'J. k ,:• n b.> d o something wiLh it instead of letting .it fE!S t':E !r to l:hE! po .i.n t il: is now. It has reaLly beccnn e a serious rnatl :er, une tJJh.i ch Cd 11 affect our uJho1e :industr·y a.ncl affr:!ct the~ enl: :irE! E•conomy of l:h'.L s Province. We could be into an industr·y dispul:E! at any t:ime, and :Lt is a11 beca usf'• of the:• Ja ck of action by the forrn er a d nr:L n :i. s t. r a t i. o n . You have to perspective gE•t up in No . 1 7 have Lhis hi. sl:or:ical if you are going to this House and accuse ~~ 8 86

the nE!W governlllE!nt, whtch has only ber::~n hE!re for six to E!ight weeks, of bej ng to bJ.arne. How can u.JE• be to blame For something tJJh.ich thE!Y set up and left in our hands? A g a i n , a n o t: 1·1 E• r rn E! s s f o r u s 1: o cJ.ean up, and which we undE!rtakE! to do. fhesE! rE•comrnE!ndat·ions prepared were quite gave an overview that good; of construction industry. were they the The to Cormnittc;e tr'avell,?.d to NonJJay look at the offshore oil industry. They rnad E! rE!ConJIDE!ndat"ions on prE•paring a labOUI" Jni.'.tnd(]E!Inen t agi"BI':!InE•nt fOJ" off'shoJ"E' oj.J and so on.

So thuse recommendations have been in the hand~ ; oF the for·nH :!r' Oepar'l.mc•nt of L a b o u r , !: h o m i n i s t e J" s , a n d L h ::! for'JrJ<:'r administrat:i.on for' qu ite SOiriE! time. ThE!rE!fore, one has !:o to IAJOndE!r ho1JJ come these things have not alJ"E!i.'H.ly bE!~ :!n done:•? What IJJe ai"E' doing, and it·. is a t.otaJ]y understandablo process, is under'taking to r'uviE!JAJ aJ.] the infor'rnat.ion and gE!ttin<j thE! advicE! of aLl. tho groups -- not soJrJE! of the groups, all of thE! groups. WE! wilJ. be undertaking to provide S O illE' solutions. It .is h.i~:-1 l:ime that was done.

It should have been done last year, the year before, thE! yc:!ar bE~forE! that, and !-: h (! y r~ a r' b 1?. for' e t: hat b 1.1 t i. l~. lAid s not. That has to bE! J;.JelJ.--known, it has l:o be looked at, and ·it has to be considered by the public of the Province. It is a very crucial issue. DoubJ.e--breasting is a simple is sue in one way , but i t has become a lot more compJ.ex d u r· ·i n g 1: h E! l a s 1: f E! w y E! a r s , a n d i t became more compJ.ex becausE• of the previous administration.

I have a copy of the memorandum of understanding which apparently was L88'7 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI struck with the for'Jner' government. ThE! former, fanner Minister', the hon. TE!d Blanchard, was extremely supportive of this memorandum. He workE•d har·d, and so d i d 1: h a t depart Ill!:! J"J t , l: o p u t .i. l: togethE!r, and they carne to an agrE!ernent finally. As a mal~tE!r of fact, it was hailed as a fine agr·eernent all t~CJ~oss Canada; a number of the provincial jur·isd:ict.ions hi. 'lVf:~ ber:!n looking (-=tl: it ..

Th:is was haLLed as a good agr·eernent and they had a work i.ng papE!r thE!Y could carry fon.~.Jar·d and wo(·k !~.owar·ds su;;le t·:yp t:• oi'- 1E•gis1at:.i.ve aiJIE•ndJnunV:; or· clll a g I~ E• E• I fl ~~! n !: l: h a l: liJ 0 U ·1 cJ ~. [_: C! ~, 0 IiI['.! 1abour' pl:!ace :in the fu l.ln·c. ·rh:is a~Jrl:.cn ·Jconl :, P..1r'. :;pr·a 1<' .'1'", Lt1 :'1~: Sl:i~uck by l.hE! fUI"rnE!I~, i'U I"!rJC::!I'' minisi.:E!r bu t:, unforl:UIJaL c•:ty , lh l! FoJniOE!r, forrnE!r Pi"C:•Jn:Lor d0 •cided that thE• min:i st:E!r ' d:i.d not. hdVE!

Lhc au l:hoin:i l:y hE! !~hough I~ 1-:r::• ~hid d nd ·they dec :.i d t:• cl , c v en l .. \1 o u c:J h h C! s l: ruck it , it uJo u 1 d n <~J l: <J o t_ hI" o u ':d h C a b j n e t a n d t. h a t: Llw y uJ o u J cl h a v c to go back aqain and consult t~dl:h some other groups that had nuL bE! en consul ted. · So, hC"re tAW rJo. lrJe had Lhe for '1ncr · 111in.is l.:c• (· ,_,Jho had tried to do something with it, and appar·ently had done somE! thing tAd l:h :i. l:: , b u t t: h c p r' c v :.L o u ~; ddrrrin:i.str·al:.-Lon cJ,,!ci.dt:·d !:-.hal: IAh:t S not t.he soJ.uU.on. Fine and dcwdy!

They d'id thai:, Lhcy IAJE!JnE! thE! goVE!rniTIE!n t: of Lhe day, and t. h a t i S f i n (~ . r h (! a 9 In E! (' I'll E! 11 l~. t h a l: was struck was ha::i.J.ed and J.ooked upon VG!ry favour·ably by rnos!:, bul: it was not able to be carried forward. And you have !:o wondE!r uJhy. You a1so hav(• t:o uJondcr Luhat happE•ned l:o Lho l'orJnE!r, l'oi "JnC::!I" rn :in :l s t E! r . Of co u r' s E! , he IAk\ ~~ ombarJ~assr::•d. ljE• l~Jas VOJ"Y credjble. He had been in the DE!partrnE!ni: of Labour as a DE!pU l~.y MinistE•r' for rnany years. But., you No . 1 '7 R88'7

s<:~e, hE!- had put thj .s proposal. together and the Cabinet decided thCJ.t j t Wcls not Hw thing, thE!Y co u 1 d not a g r 10• e with -it -- 1 T a k 10! it back and come bctck w:i.th sonwHdng E!lsc~. 1 But did not lc1st that: long, hE! had to lE!aV(:'. Then the people on th~~ other side had a leadership convention which resulted in a new Premier who then decided he was going to replace the former Minis l:E!r of Labour, and the pE!rson he put' . j n h ~i s p1aCE• t.-~ms the prE!S E•nt nlE!trtb :::!r for Hat~bour Main .

And th ey WE!rE~ the gover'n!TIE!nt four 01~ f ~iue tAJOE!Ics, alrnost as long as we ar·e hE!rE!, Mr . ~>peakel " , ~;o you hdve l:o tiJonder t.uhy t:h ::•y WE'l~e nol: ctbl. e to can ·y :i.L fonua rd . As a matt. E!I" oF ·facl:, l:h :::! hon. thE ! l.eadel " of the Opp os:i. t.:i.o n and thE! member For Harbour Main were in Cabinet in lllE! PE!Ckford Administration, therefo re, they certa inly must have had somoth:i.ng t.o sa y db out thi s tn<:.'tncH·a nclurn of undet"stand:Lng. So this historical perspective should be see n by ev erybody oppo si te when considering th eir cotlllflE!nts.

I think mast pE!oplE! drt? now seeing exactly where we stand, see where the future is and how we have to deal with it. We are cl e a l.L n g wi 1: h it , M r . ~3 peak E! r . There are a number of di scussions, as I have satd, going on bE!tWE!en the labour gr·oups in the Pr·ouinCE! and E!tnployer·s .i.n Lh E! Pr·ovin CE!. This matter is very SE!rious . W<: ~ t'lre CE!r ·tainly going to be dealing with it over the coming months and the coming weeks, if we can. lhE! House oj:wnE!d in June.

It had not been open for aJ.rnost a yE!ar, to the daY~ If this lE!gislc1.tivo arnendfi!E!nl: was thE!re a fE!W mont:hs t'lgo - I cannot understand it - why wouJ.d tlwy not brj ng it in bE!fOrE! L888 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI they caJ.J.ed the election? That would have been sotnet:h:ing for thc:•m to do. ·rhey could have haLI. ed it. as something. They could have boat Hw o1d clws L an d s<:·dd, 1 lluy, hE!r E! we go . l"his is a good tnCHJE! we have rnadt:! po] it:i.caJ.J.y, 1 ancl they would have resolved the pr·ob1ern. As a nJatt.er' of fact, that would hav e bc:!::•n stnatnl: political stra t:egy on their part.

Of course, L>JE! arE:~ not: so sure about poJticial strategy anymore. The fact of the matter Js, Mr. Speaker, l:he opportuni.l·:y t~Jas t. here .

To as k us t. o cl o t h d t n OIAJ, LJ,Jt:! ar·e considt::!r :Lt'Jg il: amon<J''.l: oLhE!r' opt:ion~; Luc• i:-.tr'< .. ' ]uokJn~J dl ltJ e h c1. v e l:. o r· e v "i '"'t!J a 1 l L. h E! o p 1-i o n ·:; and COITIC fOI"WiH'd l~l"i t·h LUhdl !>1,.., think is be~.t. !tJE! an:• that. as qu:LckJ.y ao~ L\JC• does t.akG sotnE! t.·irne. q,, ·Lng l:o cdn, bl.Jl . do ii I kno tAJ, dS ev (:!r ·y tnc'rrtb •:!i" knc: to~Js , that the Sunllll E'r :i.s t.h (• seaso n for · \:hE ! co ns l:r 'uc l:.~ i u n ir 1d us LI' 'Y . \,\)c ! could have pt·'obJ.em o~ and u.J e hc~VE! had pr·oblE!tnS in t:hE! pa~.l:.

L'IIE! tJ..tdnl': to do sorT!E!t.h J.ng that · :i~; gu:.ing t.o res olve t:hu rnatt E!r in Lhe Fut:tu ·e, not for th o shotnt. tE !riTI, not fot" jus t l: hi ~:; :3 u tl'ltll tC> r r.) t" t ~-it: ! i'H:• :< l:. yE:~ar. We do not tJJant t:o rnake a hasty move. We want to tni:\kE! l:he r·ight: move s. We IAJant lo get . l.hc in Foi' ·ma l:.ion . WE" l>Jdt" l !·: i:.u 'J '' i: i l: from E!Verybody, and then IAJ E! t.-~ri -1 I make a decision. rhat is the on1y tJJay t.o go as fain as I a111 conCE!l"I'H'!d and as far d S this govE!rnrnenl: Ls COI'lCE!r 'llE!d.

So I cornrnNld the Min:i stE!r' of Employment <•nd Labour RE!lal:..i.ons and Lh ·j s ~1 0 V(: 'I"Illl'IE!I1l For· taking Lhc! r·oul: e thal: it is t:ak.in r:3. NotiJ, w o are not going t.o come in and ntak e a quick dE!c:is.ion on such an important mattur for pure political Sc1.t:isfact.ion, l:o say, 1 WE!J.J., look, we haVE! that one No . 1 '7 1\8 8 8

resolvE·d. I and then COrriE! back next Sum1ner and find we haVE! a problem. L.et us see if we can fix it. I think th~~ pE!Op1e oul: thE!rE! LAiho are involved in the construction industry understand where this gover·nnwnt is coming ft'OITI. They know we are here and we are trying to deal with that problem and that we are going to be considering their views. That is important and they understand that. They have patiencE• and they understand that:. It 'i.s vr:!I"Y difficult, l:hough, fur· thE!nl to oper··atE! 1.\J~Lth the prE!Senl:: structure they operating within. T h E• r' E! a r e a b u s E! s t h c:~ r e .

T he I" e a r' E! companit:•s t.JJho arE! gettin•::J aLAJdY wi lh double-.. brr::~as U.ng. and we have !:o do sornE!thing about that; wE• have to resolve that problem. We have to see it dealt with. bE!CaUSE! l:hei"e ai"r:! a lot of unfa.il" things happening. There were a nurnbe!r Or rE!COI'nmendations m;'J.de by the Easton Report and in the brief PI"(:;!SE!nted by thE! Nr:!wfound1and and Labrador Construction Association. In February, 1988, they presented a brief to the govE!r·nrn~:!nt of the day. It had a nurnbel" of reco1n1nend<:~tions, again s imiLH' to the Ea,d:on r·r;!por·t.

ThE!SE! rE!COinrnendatj.ons arE:~ good recommendations and we are considering those and looking at ol:her· jur-isdictions acr·oss Canada to SE!E! what they arE! doing. WE! are getting our homework done. Again. you haVE! to do thE! right thing. I think that is the :i. 111 p o I" t a.n t t-h i n g h e 1~ E! . mattel" (:'Xti"E!rnely We COJ1_:;;,_ider this sc:•rious. It is affects many, many Province, therefore, to deal IAdth i.t as L889 a matter that pE!Ople in the we alnE! going quick1y as 1.\Je JunE! 21. 1989 Vo 1 XLI can.

Double-.. breast:i.ng has causE·cl many p!"oblr:!lns and has cau ~; od an unsavoury labour relations climate, one which makes it difficult fol" business c~ncl Fen· unions. When you SC!E! exawp1us oF p~~oplE:~ SE!tti.ng up a company, and on thE! same day setting up another company so that l·.he un:ion c.otnno'l: organ i z e , t h a t i s a n d. b u s e o r: 1:. h e sysb,~rn. It is! Ther'e ai"U loopholes thE!re wh:ich allow l:hal:. WE! SE!E:! that happerdn~1 and we i.H'e go·ing to Lr·y to r'E!solve :i l:. You have to rnove carefully and move del·icat.E!l.y, but you hauE! !.u crJOI.J(!.

I can as~;UJ"E! th:i.s hon. !·louse thdt I k n OlTJ, and r h ;:'l 1; r'! a 'J I" c:• ,:~I~ conf"idence in our· rnj rd~. t.ur' cu1d ULH· got; e r· n 1 n en 1: , l~ h a 1:. t.JJ E' lAJ ·i l l c c· i" l:. d. i n l y be do :l n ~J s u 1n l! L h :i n q i .. o l r y i ,., I"C'S01t;E• the pi"·ob}t:!ln, Now , t1.1 e n 1 i g h l: no t s u c c o c• d r· ·L q h t o f f t h e b a t .

I m e a n , lA! e a r' ~· g o :i n g !:o tl~y. lnlu rnighl: CUilW (n '''iL.h t h r E' (' t h :i. 1'1 ~J ~; 0 l..l "l (l r· r· 0 ll I" !, h d l lA I j -, ., WOI"k, and Lh::• othUi" 0110 lildY h,:'1VC' t. o bE' p r:·d:. dw d u p • o r· rn c1 y \:)(! t.t.u o o u t of four 1.\Ji.ll wo1~k and l-t1JO IndY hatH• to be patched up', but 1.ue a1"e ~JO::ing to takE! action, and L:JE! a..-·c:! <Jr.li.ng t: o t a k e ~' t r· o n g a c l": -.i. o n to d "' a -.1 IAJ ·i t h H. I think it taken instead is of time action was lhc pi"Oblc·:n bc·.in~1 i g n o r •:· d , r.l! r . ~3 p n a k (' r· . F1 i 1 l:.

L h u !" ::• is bne thing the people of lhe Province can now have great confidence in, and that is that the House of Assembly will now function in an ol~der<Ly manner. And they can look Forward to a Fall session for the first tirne in I do not knolA.I how many year's. My rne111ory only goes back so fal", bu+·. I think it has been at 1east thre-e years since we had a ralJ SE!SS:ion. We arE! E!Ven 1ook.inq a1:, Mr'. 5p(:~aker, setl:i.ng up cornrnil:Lees so that WE! can l"evir::•w leg.is1ati.on before it comes to the flousE:!, No . 1 '7 R889

whi ch w ould aJ.J. ow for goo d dPbat: e on any legislative change s . AN HON. MEMBFI\ : (Inaudible) on both sidt=!s. I dare say. ~1R. K. AYLWAIW : LegisJ.ative changes we decide to rnakE!. So we Elre bringing "in some good things. Mr. Speaker, by kE!E!ping the House open as long as we arE:~ going to ke:'ep it open, IAJe arE• giving thE! Opposition all kj nds of opportunit:Les to tear into us and i:e11 us IA.Jhat we are not doing right and aJ.] of t.hoSE! things. And I think that is a ~waJ.thy p1nocess. MR. MURf>fiY : ( F Uwy di~E! around, and no l~ flying all over the pJ.ace. MR. K.

AYL.WARD : IF thE!Y are c.n·ound. 13ut it is d healthy pt~ocess . I can assure t:hE! lnE!rllbE!IS oppositE! that w<.~ as a governrfiE!nt wi1] certainly havt:• thE! House opc•n and good dE!bate on any changes we propose to make. The people of the Province know this goVE!rniiiE!nt is serious about: its business. ThE!Y kn01.11 we ar·e hE!re and WE! are going to bE! working hard. fhE!y are confident. They know the House will bE! opE·n. WhE!n WE! say tAle lAJil.l bring in legislat:jon, that: does not mE!an it is going to be nE!Xt year.

What it. mE:~ans is that if LAJE:~ have a Fa'Ll session, we will bring in some legislation. We do not know if we are going l:o blning in legislation on this mattE!r or' not y E! t , WE! s t i 11 havE! l~ o do c.i dE! what we ar·e going to do for sure. But :if tAle do, they can be assurE!d that. there will be a session in the Fall. And we wj 11 plnobably have~ anothE!r one nt:!xt Fall bE!CausE!, you see, governrnE!nt has to function. L890 June 21 , 1989 Vol XU It will not. be 1ike the last twelve months, Mr.

Speaker, previous to whE!n IAJE! took office, I,\Jher·c~ thc:or·c~ LJJcts ar1d I:O!lE!Ct.i .on ca1led without opening the flouse, no budget passed, nol~hing. rhe legisJ.atiVE! amendrne:~nts they ar·r:! asking us to pass today were on the books ready to go and they did not pass thc~m. fhE!Y di .d not E!lJE'I1 wa n t to ope n t he H o u s e . They d j d not E!VC:Hl I.AJant t:o bring :L t .in so they couJ.d say, look at. l:.hu good job we have done. Thc::·y did nol~ even IAJant l:.o do that. So J get a 1 .i u~ 1 e p (! l" p 1 e X E' d . I h a v E! 1: (l d s k I why did they not do that?

It l.JJO u l d h i:'1 v E• l"lli'1CJ e o u ~~ j o b a l. i L L. l ::• easj .er', I can -l..eJ1 you. A~; a rna t l: E! r o F F e1 c ~~ , i l: tAl o u l d h d :; c· 111 .::< d C! o u r· j o b a b i L L o u ~J h c 1 • oi ; 1 l. ! ; '· '? l e c t ion , b ::! cause L h <'1 t~ wn u l. d h a 1.1 ::• b E! e n a g o o d 111 o v n f o r t h u lfl l.: o 111 d k c , (3.pparently. Peoplt::! t.uou 'l. d hatJE! said at 1E!ast.

Lht'Y an:: cloi.n~J sornet:h:ing. f3ul~ Y• .) U t;,Jould n.-,l~ b1:! ab1e to f:Lnd ou"L ror · sure unt ·:i-! afl: 1~r the! e1l'ct.:ion, bccau~;u ·[t ~ i~; three weE!kS ···- twE:!nl:y -- onE! days and it is all over. So they could haVE! made Lhe bj_g, bold rnuve to do t h a t , aft E! r· all t hi s c o n s 1.11 La 1-. i o n . What we ar'E! ~~ay:ing :i~;, IAJC eli''(::! seriously dealing with the problem. I, as many of us, l:ib":! the membE!r for Bonaviste1 South (Mr. Cover), hat;e b(•en :inuolu(:•d oin Labour before, and E!SpE!C.i<:l.lly I~ hE• minister, IAJho has a great rE!cor·d in Labour.

You knot,\), WE! arE! going to be deal:i.ng w:i ·t.h thi .s rnattf!r as quickly as we can. As we have sa:i.d, we cannot do evur·y Ud rlfJ in thE! fiJ~st~ fetAl !Aleeks. We ar't:! trying to get our feet: wet and get E! V ::! In y t h i ll 9 lAl 0 In k t::• d 0 U 1~ · a ll d I~ (' S 0 lt; (' t~he pr·oblem, but IAJE' want l::o make thE! r·ight moves, not the wronq rnoVE:'s. I once' sa1.u a movie ca11E•d All the Right Moves . AN HON . MEMBER : No . 17 r~a9o

Yes. MR. K. AYLWARD: Well. I can only advocate that this Libera] Party, this goiH!rnmE!nt. .is going to rnakr:• thE! right mov(:~s. Mr·. Speaker, as much as we can. AN HON. MEMBER: Irregardless of rantings. MR. K. AYLWARD: That is right. Irregardh~ss. But 1.ue do cApprecicd:E! the pr·oddtng of the members oppos:i.tE•, becauSE! we n C:! (! d t h a t i n the ~H'! a l t: h y d CillO C lnatj. C p1n0 C E! S ~. L\JE! haVe. ltJe look For·war·d t:o it. Becau·~e \JJE! nE!ed to do :i.t rjght. the1·'e is no dou:.::ll: dbout that. It: is good. dl'ld it is part of the healthy dt:!lnOcr·acy we cAre~ in. So t.hE! hon. thE!

ITIE!rnbE!r for Hai~bour Main, the han. critic for the Opposition (Mr. Doyle) should under·stand that. yes. WE'! ar'E! going to be dealing with it and that we, as the government. will want to resolve the problem of doublE!-·br·easting and the agony it causes. the labour unrest it cauSE!~~. But I can say to him and thE! LeadE!r of the Opposi tton that we are not going to wait for four cnn five years \Ar.ithout making any ITI o v E! s • c om rrd s s :L o n :L n g r· u p o r t_ s to bE' donE!, \JJ:ith all kinds of good rE!CommE!ndat.ions. I rnean. we tAdlJ. call the House together.

If we want to resoJ.ve a problem. we will have the House open and we will be able to debate the legislation. So he can bE! assur·t::~d of that. I think our government has been a shining example of that process. so far. SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE!i:H', hE!ar! So, Mr. SpE!iSlkE!r, :it: is a complex L891 June 21, 1989 Vol XLI issue: We are working hard.

I wanted to give an historical pE!rspect:i.ve so that the meiTib~,r·s of the House could understand that it is a d:i.ffj.cuJ.t quesL'ion, but Lhat there are a number oF rE·connnendations b~':i.ng J.ooked at: .• a lot of consu1 tat ion is talci.ng place and we are going to do something about: it. I think members opposite can undE!rstand that.

Th1~ hun. thE! member for Harbour Main brings fOI~war·d hi.s rc~solut·ion. but I think thE•y though l l..hcc!y IAJC•I"E! ~~I. i] l the r:30V!?.r'nlnf•nt. 11-JhE·n they cl1"af~tc•d j.t. because t·hey ai"C sto:il-.1 t.l'"y:in~J to l: e 1 l u s u x a c t:. l y \JJ h 1"1 L 1.: o d u . do not rn:ind ~~uggc~;l.:i.ons. rlll·'·. S p 1:! a k C' I" , b 11 t. T ,\In rr 0 l: ~; 0 C In ('1 ? \) abou{:_ thE! exact tAJor·d:in~J or· thic.; I"E•so1u t·ion. Aga.in. r . .:Jc:• IAJi 1.1 t.lu1; i.cJe on that later today. Mr. Speaker. I {hank House for its attention forward lo this debate. SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE:~aln. hE!ar! MR.

SPEAI<ER: Lhc ('11-ld [ -1 ha1·1 k hun. look you. T h E! h 0 n . t h e rn (! ITI b e I" r· 0 I" ~) l.. . 1"1 d I" y I :; --The Capes. MR. HEARN: Thank you. Ml". Speaker'. I must say, if the,, hon. nwrnb(:•r IAJho just spoke b(:!lieVE!S ha1f oF lAJhi3.l: he scdd. no wonder· hE'! :i. s not· t n Cabtnc;.~t. HE:' is pinobably gul ·1 ibl1" enough to believe what the Premier told him tJJhE•n hE! sa'id oif hE• d.id not rnake any stj.nk about: it, event u a 1 1 y he IAJO ul. d '] .::• t a. s <• r'1 l: in Cab:i.nE!t. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hE!ar! MR. HEARN: No. 17 R891

I stan d in supp ort of - MR. WAL SH: (InaudibJe) common SE!rlSE' and intelligence . MR. HEARN: If the member for Bell Island wants to certainly take my hirn go on. Mount Sc.io spE!ak, I udJ.J. pla ce and let MR. SIMM S : A go od . idea! the memb er' knows a lo t Let us hea r it fr om for Mount Sci o. He abo ut labour rel