British Columbia Hansard — 11 August 2020, a.m., Issue 354 (41st Parliament, 5th Session)

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Fifth Session, 41st Parliament OFFICIAL REPORT OF DEBATES (HANSARD) Tuesday, August 11, 2020 Morning Sitting Issue No. 354 THE HONOURABLE DARRYL PLECAS, SPEAKER ISSN 1499-2175

PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA (Entered Confederation July 20, 1871) LIEUTENANT-GOVERNOR Her Honour the Honourable Janet Austin, OBC Fifth Session, 41st Parliament SPEAKER OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Honourable Darryl Plecas EXECUTIVE COUNCIL Premier and President of the Executive Council ............................................................................................................... Hon. John Horgan Deputy Premier and Minister of Finance............................................................................................................................Hon.

Carole James Minister of Advanced Education, Skills and Training..................................................................................................... Hon. Melanie Mark Minister of Agriculture.........................................................................................................................................................Hon. Lana Popham Attorney General.................................................................................................................................................................Hon.

David Eby, QC Minister of Children and Family Development ............................................................................................................ Hon. Katrine Conroy Minister of State for Child Care...................................................................................................................................... Hon. Katrina Chen Minister of Citizens’ Services...................................................................................................................................................Hon.

Anne Kang Minister of Education ............................................................................................................................................................ Hon. Rob Fleming Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources ..................................................................................................... Hon. Bruce Ralston Minister of Environment and Climate Change Strategy............................................................................................. Hon.

George Heyman Minister of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development ..............................................Hon. Doug Donaldson Minister of Health .....................................................................................................................................................................Hon. Adrian Dix Minister of Indigenous Relations and Reconciliation ......................................................................................................... Hon.

Scott Fraser Minister of Jobs, Economic Development and Competitiveness.............................................................................Hon. Michelle Mungall Minister of State for Trade...............................................................................................................................................Hon. George Chow Minister of Labour ...................................................................................................................................................................Hon.

Harry Bains Minister of Mental Health and Addictions............................................................................................................................ Hon. Judy Darcy Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing.................................................................................................................. Hon. Selina Robinson Minister of Public Safety and Solicitor General ........................................................................................................... Hon.

Mike Farnworth Minister of Social Development and Poverty Reduction..............................................................................................Hon. Shane Simpson Minister of Tourism, Arts and Culture.....................................................................................................................................Hon. Lisa Beare Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure................................................................................................................ Hon.

Claire Trevena LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Leader of the Official Opposition................................................................................................................................Andrew Wilkinson, QC Leader of the Third Party .................................................................................................................................................................Adam Olsen Deputy Speaker................................................................................................................................................................................

Raj Chouhan Assistant Deputy Speaker............................................................................................................................................................. Simon Gibson Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole ................................................................................................................ Spencer Chandra Herbert Clerk of the Legislative Assembly ...........................................................................................................................................

Kate Ryan-Lloyd Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel.............................................................................................................................. Seunghee Suzie Seo Clerk Assistant, Parliamentary Services...........................................................................................................................

Artour Sogomonian Clerk Assistant, Committees and Interparliamentary Relations ..............................................................................................Susan Sourial Senior Research Analyst ................................................................................................................................................................. Jennifer Arril Senior Research Analyst ...................................................................................................................................................................

Karan Riarh Acting Sergeant-at-Arms..................................................................................................................................................................Greg Nelson

ALPHABETICAL LIST OF MEMBERS Ashton, Dan (BC Liberal) ......................................................................... Penticton Bains, Hon. Harry (NDP)................................................................ Surrey-Newton Barnett, Donna (BC Liberal) .....................................................Cariboo-Chilcotin Beare, Hon. Lisa (NDP)..............................................

Maple Ridge–Pitt Meadows Begg, Garry (NDP) .......................................................................Surrey-Guildford Bernier, Mike (BC Liberal) .........................................................Peace River South Bond, Shirley (BC Liberal)...........................................Prince George–Valemount Brar, Jagrup (NDP).......................................................................Surrey-Fleetwood Cadieux, Stephanie (BC Liberal)........................................................

Surrey South Chandra Herbert, Spencer (NDP) .......................................Vancouver–West End Chen, Hon. Katrina (NDP)...................................................... Burnaby-Lougheed Chouhan, Raj (NDP) .................................................................Burnaby-Edmonds Chow, Hon. George (NDP).................................................Vancouver-Fraserview Clovechok, Doug (BC Liberal) ..................................Columbia River–Revelstoke Coleman, Rich (BC Liberal) ................................................................ Langley East Conroy, Hon.

Katrine (NDP)...........................................................Kootenay West Darcy, Hon. Judy (NDP) ............................................................. New Westminster Davies, Dan (BC Liberal) ........................................................... Peace River North de Jong, Michael, QC (BC Liberal) ..............................................Abbotsford West Dean, Mitzi (NDP)................................................................ Esquimalt-Metchosin D’Eith, Bob (NDP) ................................................................Maple Ridge–Mission Dix, Hon.

Adrian (NDP)....................................................... Vancouver-Kingsway Donaldson, Hon. Doug (NDP)...................................................................... Stikine Eby, Hon. David, QC (NDP).............................................. Vancouver–Point Grey Elmore, Mable (NDP).........................................................Vancouver-Kensington Farnworth, Hon. Mike (NDP) ........................................................Port Coquitlam Fleming, Hon. Rob (NDP) ......................................................

Victoria–Swan Lake Foster, Eric (BC Liberal).............................................................Vernon-Monashee Fraser, Hon. Scott (NDP) ..................................................Mid Island–Pacific Rim Furstenau, Sonia (BC Green Party) .............................................Cowichan Valley Gibson, Simon (BC Liberal) ...................................................Abbotsford-Mission Glumac, Rick (NDP).........................................................Port Moody–Coquitlam Heyman, Hon. George (NDP) ................................................Vancouver-Fairview Horgan, Hon.

John (NDP) ................................................ Langford–Juan de Fuca Hunt, Marvin (BC Liberal) ........................................................ Surrey-Cloverdale Isaacs, Joan (BC Liberal) .......................................... Coquitlam–Burke Mountain James, Hon. Carole (NDP).................................................... Victoria–Beacon Hill Johal, Jas (BC Liberal).................................................Richmond-Queensborough Kahlon, Ravi (NDP)............................................................................... Delta North Kang, Hon.

Anne (NDP)......................................................... Burnaby–Deer Lake Kyllo, Greg (BC Liberal)..............................................................................Shuswap Larson, Linda (BC Liberal) .............................................. Boundary-Similkameen Lee, Michael (BC Liberal) ........................................................Vancouver-Langara Leonard, Ronna-Rae (NDP) ..................................................... Courtenay-Comox Letnick, Norm (BC Liberal).............................................

Kelowna–Lake Country Ma, Bowinn (NDP) .....................................................North Vancouver–Lonsdale Malcolmson, Sheila (NDP) ........................................................................Nanaimo Mark, Hon. Melanie (NDP) .......................................Vancouver–Mount Pleasant Martin, John (BC Liberal)....................................................................... Chilliwack Milobar, Peter (BC Liberal)..................................... Kamloops–North Thompson Morris, Mike (BC Liberal) ........................................... Prince George–Mackenzie Mungall, Hon.

Michelle (NDP)......................................................Nelson-Creston Oakes, Coralee (BC Liberal) ............................................................ Cariboo North Olsen, Adam (BC Green Party)............................ Saanich North and the Islands Paton, Ian (BC Liberal).......................................................................... Delta South Plecas, Hon. Darryl (Ind.) ........................................................... Abbotsford South Polak, Mary (BC Liberal) ............................................................................. Langley Popham, Hon.

Lana (NDP)............................................................... Saanich South Ralston, Hon. Bruce (NDP) ............................................................Surrey-Whalley Redies, Tracy (BC Liberal) .......................................................Surrey–White Rock Reid, Linda (BC Liberal) ................................................. Richmond South Centre Rice, Jennifer (NDP) ............................................................................. North Coast Robinson, Hon.

Selina (NDP) .........................................Coquitlam-Maillardville Ross, Ellis (BC Liberal)................................................................................... Skeena Routledge, Janet (NDP) ....................................................................Burnaby North Routley, Doug (NDP) ................................................. Nanaimo–North Cowichan Rustad, John (BC Liberal) ................................................................Nechako Lakes Shypitka, Tom (BC Liberal) ..............................................................

Kootenay East Simons, Nicholas (NDP) ......................................... Powell River–Sunshine Coast Simpson, Hon. Shane (NDP)..................................................Vancouver-Hastings Sims, Jinny (NDP) ........................................................................ Surrey-Panorama Singh, Rachna (NDP) .........................................................Surrey–Green Timbers Stewart, Ben (BC Liberal) ................................................................. Kelowna West Stilwell, Michelle (BC Liberal)...............................................

Parksville-Qualicum Stone, Todd (BC Liberal)..........................................Kamloops–South Thompson Sturdy, Jordan (BC Liberal)........................................ West Vancouver–Sea to Sky Sullivan, Sam (BC Liberal)................................................ Vancouver–False Creek Sultan, Ralph (BC Liberal) ...........................................West Vancouver–Capilano Tegart, Jackie (BC Liberal) ................................................................. Fraser-Nicola Thomson, Steve (BC Liberal)......................................................

Kelowna-Mission Thornthwaite, Jane (BC Liberal) ...............................North Vancouver–Seymour Throness, Laurie (BC Liberal) .......................................................Chilliwack-Kent Trevena, Hon. Claire (NDP) ................................................................North Island Wat, Teresa (BC Liberal) ................................................. Richmond North Centre Weaver, Dr.

Andrew (Ind.)................................................Oak Bay–Gordon Head Wilkinson, Andrew, QC (BC Liberal) ................................Vancouver-Quilchena Y ap, John (BC Liberal)............................................................Richmond-Steveston LIST OF MEMBERS BY RIDING Abbotsford-Mission............................................................................Simon Gibson Abbotsford South....................................................................... Hon. Darryl Plecas Abbotsford West......................................................................

Michael de Jong, QC Boundary-Similkameen...................................................................... Linda Larson Burnaby–Deer Lake....................................................................... Hon. Anne Kang Burnaby-Edmonds................................................................................Raj Chouhan Burnaby-Lougheed .................................................................... Hon. Katrina Chen Burnaby North .................................................................................

Janet Routledge Cariboo-Chilcotin .............................................................................Donna Barnett Cariboo North.................................................................................... Coralee Oakes Chilliwack ............................................................................................... John Martin Chilliwack-Kent ...............................................................................Laurie Throness Columbia River–Revelstoke .........................................................

Doug Clovechok Coquitlam–Burke Mountain.................................................................. Joan Isaacs Coquitlam-Maillardville ...................................................... Hon. Selina Robinson Courtenay-Comox................................................................... Ronna-Rae Leonard Cowichan Valley .............................................................................

Sonia Furstenau Delta North.............................................................................................Ravi Kahlon Delta South ..................................................................................................Ian Paton Esquimalt-Metchosin ..............................................................................Mitzi Dean Fraser-Nicola .........................................................................................

Jackie Tegart Kamloops–North Thompson .............................................................Peter Milobar Kamloops–South Thompson..................................................................Todd Stone Kelowna–Lake Country .....................................................................Norm Letnick Kelowna-Mission ..............................................................................

Steve Thomson Kelowna West ..........................................................................................Ben Stewart Kootenay East.......................................................................................Tom Shypitka Kootenay West........................................................................ Hon. Katrine Conroy Langford–Juan de Fuca .............................................................. Hon. John Horgan Langley .....................................................................................................

Mary Polak Langley East.........................................................................................Rich Coleman Maple Ridge–Mission.............................................................................. Bob D’Eith Maple Ridge–Pitt Meadows............................................................Hon. Lisa Beare Mid Island–Pacific Rim................................................................ Hon. Scott Fraser Nanaimo......................................................................................

Sheila Malcolmson Nanaimo–North Cowichan............................................................... Doug Routley Nechako Lakes........................................................................................ John Rustad Nelson-Creston ................................................................... Hon. Michelle Mungall New Westminster........................................................................... Hon. Judy Darcy North Coast ...........................................................................................

Jennifer Rice North Island.............................................................................. Hon. Claire Trevena North Vancouver–Lonsdale................................................................... Bowinn Ma North Vancouver–Seymour........................................................Jane Thornthwaite Oak Bay–Gordon Head............................................................Dr.

Andrew Weaver Parksville-Qualicum.......................................................................Michelle Stilwell Peace River North ................................................................................... Dan Davies Peace River South ................................................................................ Mike Bernier Penticton ................................................................................................. Dan Ashton Port Coquitlam...................................................................... Hon.

Mike Farnworth Port Moody–Coquitlam.......................................................................Rick Glumac Powell River–Sunshine Coast....................................................... Nicholas Simons Prince George–Mackenzie....................................................................Mike Morris Prince George–Valemount ..................................................................

Shirley Bond Richmond North Centre..........................................................................Teresa Wat Richmond-Queensborough.........................................................................Jas Johal Richmond South Centre ......................................................................... Linda Reid Richmond-Steveston ...................................................................................

John Y ap Saanich North and the Islands .............................................................Adam Olsen Saanich South .............................................................................Hon. Lana Popham Shuswap...................................................................................................... Greg Kyllo Skeena........................................................................................................... Ellis Ross Stikine....................................................................................Hon.

Doug Donaldson Surrey-Cloverdale ................................................................................ Marvin Hunt Surrey-Fleetwood.....................................................................................Jagrup Brar Surrey–Green Timbers........................................................................Rachna Singh Surrey-Guildford......................................................................................Garry Begg Surrey-Newton ..............................................................................Hon.

Harry Bains Surrey-Panorama ...................................................................................... Jinny Sims Surrey South ................................................................................ Stephanie Cadieux Surrey-Whalley ......................................................................... Hon. Bruce Ralston Surrey–White Rock .............................................................................. Tracy Redies Vancouver-Fairview.............................................................. Hon.

George Heyman Vancouver–False Creek........................................................................ Sam Sullivan Vancouver-Fraserview...............................................................Hon. George Chow Vancouver-Hastings ............................................................... Hon. Shane Simpson Vancouver-Kensington....................................................................... Mable Elmore Vancouver-Kingsway..................................................................... Hon.

Adrian Dix Vancouver-Langara................................................................................ Michael Lee Vancouver–Mount Pleasant..................................................... Hon. Melanie Mark Vancouver–Point Grey ............................................................Hon.

David Eby, QC Vancouver-Quilchena........................................................Andrew Wilkinson, QC Vancouver–West End .....................................................Spencer Chandra Herbert Vernon-Monashee ....................................................................................Eric Foster Victoria–Beacon Hill.................................................................. Hon. Carole James Victoria–Swan Lake.................................................................... Hon. Rob Fleming West Vancouver–Capilano...................................................................

Ralph Sultan West Vancouver–Sea to Sky................................................................Jordan Sturdy Party Standings: BC Liberal 42; NDP 41; Independent 2; BC Green Party 2

CONTENTS Tuesday, August 11, 2020 Morning Sitting Page Routine Business Introductions by Members................................................................................................................................................... 12331 Tributes ................................................................................................................................................................................... 12331 Robert Savage I.

Paton Introductions by Members................................................................................................................................................... 12331 Statements (Standing Order 25B) ....................................................................................................................................... 12331 Christopher Seguin and action on opioid crisis and addiction issues T. Stone Faith events and community response to COVID-19 R. Singh Celebration of Eid-ul-Adha T. Wat Burnaby Family Life and anti-racism network J. Routledge Quilters guilds in Chilliwack L.

Throness Active transportation and cycling safety B. D’Eith Oral Questions....................................................................................................................................................................... 12334 Handling of personal health information J. Johal Hon. A. Dix M. de Jong Site C power project A. Olsen Hon. B. Ralston Government plan for education system reopening D. Davies Hon. R. Fleming Education system reopening and access to school bus services M. Stilwell Hon. R. Fleming Child care plan J. Tegart Hon. K.

Chen Petitions .................................................................................................................................................................................. 12339 D. Clovechok P . Milobar D. Davies A. Olsen Orders of the Day Committee of Supply ............................................................................................................................................................ 12340 Estimates: Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development(continued) Hon. D. Donaldson S. Furstenau A. Olsen J. Rustad

TUESDAY , AUGUST 11, 2020 The House met at 10:05 a.m. [Mr. Speaker in the chair.] Routine Business Prayers and reflections: M. Morris. Introductions by Members Hon. J. Horgan:Joining us in the gallery today is the basketball coach at my old alma mater, Reynolds High School. Go, Roadrunners. Joining us in the gallery is Jeff Loukes. Jeff and his siblings were raised here in Victoria. I remember his older sister. She went to Mount Doug and was pursued by one of my basketball buddies at that time — to no effect, I would say. I think it was an inter-city rivalry more than anything else.

I want to say that Jeff ’s been at Reynolds for a quarter of a century, coaching the basketball team for 20 years, taking them to the provincial championships a couple of times. I want to thank him for his service to the community, as well as his family, who are well known by many, including myself, from many, many years ago. Reynolds is known for its participation in Cops for Can- cer — year after year, the highest fundraiser in the region. The member for Oak Bay–Gordon Head disputes that, but the facts are undeniable. Joining Jeff Loukes today is Jason Goertzen.

Would the House please make him very, very welcome. D. Clovechok:Virtually in the House today are over 1,300 residents from Revelstoke who are watching live to witness the petition I will be delivering later this morning. In particular, I want to welcome and recognize six indi- viduals for pulling this petition together in less than a week. They are Daniel Doughty, Jane McNab, Tony Jeglum, Ben Wilke, Val Beard and Sarah Newton. I also want to recognize Revelstoke city councillor Cody Y ounker, who helped quarterback the effort.

They not only gathered almost 1,400 signatures but did an amazing job ensuring that people’s COVID-19 safety was taken care of by following all the protocols, which included even mak- ing sure the pens were constantly sanitized. Watching the community unite and come together to protect a mountain that is so incredibly important to the people of Revelstoke, and all during the pandemic, has been truly been amazing. I am so proud to be working for and with them and being the voice of the community here at our provincial Legislature. I would ask this House to make them feel welcome. Tributes ROBERT SAV AGE I.

Paton:This morning, I just want to take a moment to pay tribute to another iconic Delta farmer who passed away last week, Mr. Robert Savage. Robert’s brother — a lot of us would know, John Savage, a former Agriculture Minister here in B.C. — passed away about two years ago. Robert Savage and John were a great team farming in Delta. Robert was an original member of the Delta Farm- ers Institute, the Delta Farmland and Wildlife Trust, and he was also a longtime treasurer of the Delta Agricultural Society. Robert was a good friend of mine. He was a great farmer and a great contributor to our community.

Whether it was the Delta Hospital Foundation or REACH or any of the functions, Robert and his wife, Daphne, were always there to support things that went on in Delta. My condolences to his wife, Daphne, and his son, Kevin, and his daughters, Barb and Catherine. [10:10 a.m.] Introductions by Members A. Weaver:As I wear very proudly, at home here, a scarf, I wish to also introduce and welcome the members from Reynolds High School. It is with great sadness that I acknowledge that year after year they do indeed beat Oak Bay in the Cops for Cancer.

It is an annual challenge, but the word on the street is that they must have some secret donor who is looking at the amounts that are being raised by Oak Bay and at the last minute, each and every year, ensures that Reynolds wins. I do congratulate Reynolds. I welcome them, and this rivalry with the Premier will continue for many years to come. Please, again, welcome the Reynolds contingent. Statements (Standing Order 25B) CHRISTOPHER SEGUIN AND ACTION ON OPIOID CRISIS AND ADDICTION ISSUES T.

Stone:One thousand and fifty-four — the number of days ago that Kamloops lost a community builder and I lost a great friend. One thousand and fifty-four days ago, on September 22, 2017, Christopher Seguin passed away due to an accidental overdose. He was a man of compassion, with a heart full of community spirit and a smile that would light up every room that he walked into. He was dedicated to giving of himself to make life better for others. Now, while we remember Christopher for who he was — a husband, a father, a brother, a son, a selfless volunteer, 12331

and an accomplished vice-president at Thompson Rivers University — we also said at the time of his death that we would try to extract from our loss of Christopher some good that may be of benefit to others, such as shining a light on the dangers of using alone, such as ensuring 24-7 on-site supports are there for every vulnerable person to access a path to recovery that is going to work for them, so that they can actually get better.

That’s ending the stigma associated with drug use and doing this by not using words or labels that are stigmat- izing but, rather, by using language that is compassionate and respectful and by thinking of the person as a person, not defining them by their illness — all of this focused on hopefully reducing overdoses and deaths. Sadly, however, we find ourselves in a situation that is getting worse, not better. One hundred and seventy- five overdose deaths were registered in June, the highest monthly tally ever in British Columbia, bringing the yearly total of illicit drug deaths to 728.

Through the first six months of 2020, the city that I represent in this Legislature, Kamloops, has recorded 25 such deaths, just one fewer than all of 2019. Paramedics responded to more than 2,700 overdoses in July alone. We are failing many vulnerable people in our province. We are failing many sons and daughters, moms and dads, just like we failed my friend Christopher Seguin three years ago. We can do better. We must do better, and we must do it together. I will say, once again, what I said 1,054 days ago. In Christopher’s death, let’s save lives. FAITH EVENTS AND COMMUNITY RESPONSE TO COVID-19 R.

Singh: The past few months have transformed a lot around us. We’ve had to change our way of living to mit- igate the spread of COVID-19 to try and contain the pan- demic here in B.C. We’ve had to change the way we work, the way we interact with our family and friends and our surroundings, the way we engage with the economy and the way that we have to change to come together for pray- ers and for our communal holidays. Many of us have given up a lot for the good of all.

Today I speak in front of you of all of my appreciation for people who have had to withdraw from important cel- ebrations or commemorations of their faiths. Where nor- mally these often-public celebrations are the hallmark of our province’s multiculturalism, this year families have had to celebrate auspicious faith events like Passover, East- er, Vaisakhi, Budh Purnima, Eid-ul-Adha and Krishna Janmashtami, among others, without participating in con- gregations. [10:15 a.m.] For many, these celebrations mean deeply significant ceremonies of their faiths and a life’s worth of family tra- ditions.

Most families look forward to sharing these hol- idays with communities, which they have not been able to do this year, for the greater good, and that is a sacri- fice worth noting. I hope everyone will join me in appreciation of all who have understood that urgency and have withheld celeb- rating occasions of faith that they hold dear and who will have to give up these community events till we return to the way of life we knew before March. Mr. Speaker:The member for Maple Ridge–Mission, on a point of order. B. D’Eith:I withdraw. Mr. Speaker:Thank you, Member. CELEBRATION OF EID-UL-ADHA T.

Wat:On July 31, I had the incredible honour of cel- ebrating one of the holiest days in the Islamic calendar, Eid-ul-Adha, by giving love and donations to children and youth in my beautiful riding of Richmond North Centre, alongside the amazing staff and volunteers at the MTO Shahmaghsoudi School of Islamic Sufism. Last Wednesday we delivered these donated care packages to the pediatric unit of Richmond Hospital, a project that was started in 2015, allowing children to receive care in our community.

Eid-ul-Adha is celebrated by carrying forward the spirit of community, charity and support that is so prominent in our Muslim communities. I would like to personally thank everyone at MTO Shahmaghsoudi for going above and beyond to ensure that we could continue this tradition despite the challenges this year has presented to them. It is even more admirable that in a time when we need a sense of community more than ever, MTO Shahmagh- soudi has brought positivity and support to communities across the world throughout the year.

The incredible work they have done to support our communities in our pan- demic recovery cannot go without recognition. The greatest takeaway from my experience is that these amazing actions show that we should pursue the spirit of Eid-ul-Adha. We must all do our part to continue the spirit of community, charity and support through the challenges we face, and beyond. Thank you again, and a blessed Eid to you and your families. Eid Mubarak lakum wa-li-’ a’ilatakum. BURNABY FAMILY LIFE AND ANTI-RACISM NETWORK J.

Routledge:I’ d like to congratulate Burnaby Family Life for being selected as the Burnaby spoke in the wheel of Resilience B.C. ’s Anti-Racism Network. Burnaby Family Life has been working to make Burnaby more inclusive, welcoming and safe since 1971. In keeping 12332 British Columbia Debates Tuesday, August 11, 2020

with its values, Burnaby Family Life wants you to know that they work with community partners. While Burnaby Family Life may be coordinating the work of Resilience B.C. in Burnaby, they want the community at large to get the credit and the accolades. Burnaby Family Life is part of Burnaby Together, a coalition against racism and hate that was formed in 2016 by 24 organizations. Since its inception, Burnaby Together has been raising awareness within the community, looking for community solutions, supporting those facing discrim- ination, and providing tools to respond to incidents.

For example, they’ve held forums on Islamophobia and forums on overcoming the stigma of addiction. They’ve offered workshops about how to prevent violent radicalization among Muslim youth.

Following the deaths of George Floyd, Regis Korchin- ski-Paquet and Chantel Moore, Burnaby Together issued a powerful statement linking those deaths to the systemic racism that permeates our society, challenging us all to question our own assumptions and biases; talk to our chil- dren about race, racism and privilege; consider donating to or volunteering with organizations that combat racism and discrimination; have conversations with our family and friends about how to be anti-racist; learn about the true and full history of Canada; and exercise our civic rights and responsibilities through peaceful assembly, vot- ing and pushing all levels of government for progressive change.

I, for one, welcome being pushed to make progressive change. [10:20 a.m.] QUILTERS GUILDS IN CHILLIW ACK L. Throness:Today I want to pay tribute to some really outstanding artists in Chilliwack: our quilters. We have two non-profit quilting guilds in our city that meet every month. The PieceMakers Guild meets in Cooke’s Presby- terian Church, and Chilliwack Quilters Guild gathers in the Mount Cheam Lions Hall. Together, over 160 active members have been creating masterpieces for as long as 35 years. At their meetings, quilters have a lot of fun sharing ideas, learning new skills and showing off their handiwork.

Every year they host a big art show that fills an entire gymnasium with 200 beau- tiful quilts. Now, the purpose of the show is not just to showcase talent but to raise money for a charity they call We Care Quilts. Members make nearly 300 colourful quilts every year to give away. Their quilts comfort and encourage people in hospice and palliative care, children who come into contact with community police, women in Ann Davis Transition House and several Indigenous centres.

They also make placemats for Meals on Wheels, heart pillows for breast cancer survivors and cloth bags filled with toiletries, gloves, socks and hats for disadvantaged youth. And they have been active during COVID. Agnes Loewen, a member of the PieceMakers Guild, told me that over the past few months, she alone has made six We Care quilts and over 100 masks. I was amazed at the sheer size of their organizations. Their large boards manage everything from the We Care effort to their newsletter, website, library, workshops, bus trips, quilt show and more.

It would be hard to find a more active and involved group of volunteers, passionate about their work. I want to thank the PieceMakers president, Beatrice Rieske, and the Chilliwack president, Lynn Gobi, and all of their board members and members-at-large, of both quilters guilds, for using their time and skills to give beauty, charity and comfort to the people of Chilliwack. ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND CYCLING SAFETY B. D’Eith: For individuals, active transportation like cycling can really improve physical and mental health and cut down on transportation costs.

Of course, for society, active transportation can reduce congestion and be a key tool in our fight against climate change. I’m very proud that in British Columbia we have the highest percentage of active transportation trips for com- muting to and from work out of all the provinces. We’ve done some great work to make sure that discussions about transportation infrastructure include cycling. However, we can only enjoy active transportation as long as it’s safe, and that’s what I wanted to address today.

This month in my community, there were two tragic reminders of the vital need for improved cycling safety and active transportation infrastructure. Last week, sadly, Gareth Reardon was struck by a truck on a popular bike trail in Pitt Meadows. Gareth is survived by his wife, Nat- alia, and their three children. A GoFundMe fund has been set up in their support, and $40,000 of the $75,000 goal has already been reached. In early July, Daphné Toumbanakis was struck by a vehicle on Lougheed Highway. Daphné was beginning a cross-country cycling tour of Canada.

She had been spending some time in Colombia and really wanted to work with immigrants and refugees. I wish to express my heartfelt condolences to both Daphné’s and Gareth’s families, friends and communities. I know these losses are devastating. That’s why we must redouble our efforts to make roads safer for cyclists and other participants in active transport- ation. We must build on the work that has already been done to achieve the goals set out in the “Move. Commute. Connect. ” strategy.

We must continue to make changes like the recent quadrupling of fines for dooring and the intro- duction of more education and awareness for drivers. We owe it to the memories of Daphné and Gareth and all the other B.C. ’ ers who have lost their lives or been Tuesday, August 11, 2020 British Columbia Debates 12333

injured to not only embrace active transportation but to make it safe for everyone. Oral Questions HANDLING OF PERSONAL HEALTH INFORMATION J. Johal:Y esterday we asked the Minister of Citizens’ Services about a serious breach of security involving the private medical records of British Columbians. Even though it’s her file, she clearly did not have the answers. The Minister of Health then joined his colleague with even more spin. Documents provided to the opposition now show that a minimum of 5,000 files were accessible to individuals loc- ated outside of Canada, including contractors in India.

To the Minister of Citizens’ Services, when did she become aware that files were being transferred to overseas contractors, and has she notified British Columbians whose personal health records have been breached? [10:25 a.m.] Hon. A. Dix: It’s very unfortunate that the member pursues this today. Y esterday he asserted that people had engaged in illegal activities. This is false. Y esterday he said that they engaged in unethical activity. This is false. Y es- terday he claimed that the personal health records of Brit- ish Columbians had been shared outside of British Colum- bia. This is false.

Y esterday he asserted he had documents to support this. When he produced those documents, they showed no such thing. Now, I know that many people would say that the state- ments of the hon. member were so wildly inaccurate that no one would take them seriously and that one shouldn’t pursue these matters. But really, when you make these statements when you don’t understand the issues, when you make very serious allegations based on those misun- derstandings, really, all that’s owed here is an apology from the hon. member. Mr. Speaker:The member for Richmond-Queensbor- ough on a supplemental. J.

Johal:The Minister of Citizens’ Services had 24 hours to educate herself on this file, and still to this day, she has not gotten up to answer. There will be no apologies. We have copies of emails that prove NTT workers oper- ating out of New Delhi have had direct access to private medical information of British Columbians. This breach could have serious implications for British Columbians, and it needs to be investigated. Once again, question to the Minister of Citizens’ Ser- vices, will she commence investigation into this serious data breach? Hon. A. Dix: What the member is saying is simply untrue.

He has no understanding of the contract. I offered yesterday a briefing, which, of course, he didn’t take me up on. These statements are false, and they’re serious allega- tions. He’s accused the Provincial Health Services Author- ity, NTT Canada, the Ministry of Health and presumably myself and others of illegal and unethical activity. That’s what he did on the record. If he was asking questions about the contract, which is a completely legitimate thing to do, that would be another thing. But that’s what he did, and he has no evidence.

That he persists in this is a demonstration, I think, and an embarrassment that every member on the opposition side…. We are dealing with serious matters in this prov- ince right now. There is no evidence here, and he knows it. The evidence he produced yesterday showed the opposite of what he suggested. It is false what he’s saying with respect to illegal activ- ity. It is false what he’s saying about the personal health information of people. If he doesn’t have or the Leader of the Opposition doesn’t have the responsibility to call this behaviour into line, then it’s a serious moment for this Legislature. Mr.

Speaker:The member for Richmond-Queensbor- ough on a second supplemental. J. Johal:Here is the quote from Rahul from India: “My shift time is over here in India. Could you please reassign this to some resource in a Canadian time zone to take care of this?” Now, when you look at LinkedIn, there is a Rahul Arora, whose title is ServiceNow Architect for NTT Data India Enterprises in New Delhi, India. Now, yesterday the minister continued to maintain that foreign workers were used for technical issues, not clinical work.

What he doesn’t mention is that once a technical service desk takes control of a health care worker’s com- puter, they can see all the information. The system is called active directory access. Active dir- ectory access helps organize a company’s users and com- puters. IT admin uses active directory access to organize a company’s complete hierarchy from which computers belong on which network. In layman’s terms, it’s a system where all the health authorities share their data and applic- ations, meaning Mr. Arora from NTT India and other workers at NTT U.S.A. now have access into our health information system.

Question to the Minister of Citizens’ Services once again: what immediate actions will she be taking to stop foreign workers from accessing B.C. health records? Hon. A. Dix: Naturally, when a question such as this is asked in the Legislature, we ask detailed information to people at PHSA and people at NTT Canada. And they state categorically and without equivocation that the 12334 British Columbia Debates Tuesday, August 11, 2020

private health information of British Columbians has not been shared. They actually have specific procedures to ensure that that does not happen. Y esterday I offered to the member a briefing on said matters so that he could inform himself — a briefing, of course, which he is not interested in. He’s not interested in that. These allegations without substantiation are really shameful. I think they’re shameful. [10:30 a.m.] I take these issues very seriously. I think most members of the House do.

The suggestion that the personal health information of British Columbians would be left exposed in this way is a serious allegation to make, but it is not a true allegation. All of the people involved, PHSA and NTT Canada and the Ministry of Health, have given spe- cific and comprehensive assurances of this. Now, if the member is interested in the contract, in spite of his, frankly, irresponsible behaviour here…. He speaks of ineptitude. I mean, this is a very low standard, indeed, that’s being set here in this House at a very serious moment for British Columbians.

We’ll continue to offer such a briefing, but I think what’s owed to the people involved, who take these issues very seriously, is an apology from the hon. member. He didn’t have the goods yesterday, and he doesn’t have the goods today. M. de Jong: That the Minister of Health, on whose watch this breach occurred, would try to minimize or dis- miss the issue is not particularly surprising to me or mem- bers of the opposition.

What is surprising, though, is that the minister, whose statutory responsibility is for attending to protecting privacy and investigating allegations of breaches of privacy, would be sidelined and precluded from addressing the issue — profoundly disappointing and surprising. A few months ago the Premier sent a letter to the then member for Burnaby–Deer Lake, appointing her to the cabinet. He said, amongst other things, that her job was to ensure that British Columbians’ personal information be safeguarded. That was the mandate in the letter.

It’s also a statutory responsibility of the Minister of Citizens’ Ser- vices. Now, the previous Minister of Citizens’ Services had difficulty living by the rules she was charged with enfor- cing, but we have a new Minister of Citizens’ Services. I guess my question is to the Premier.

Why is it, when the opposition brings a serious allegation — and it is a ser- ious allegation — of a breach of privacy, a fundamental breach of privacy protection laws, that the Premier is side- lining the very minister he appointed, who is statutorily charged with protecting privacy rights, and instead hiding behind the excuses of the minister on whose watch the breach occurred in the first place? Hon. A. Dix: I guess the opposition wants to double down on personal attacks. They made a specific allegation yesterday about illegal activity. They made a specific alleg- ation about unethical activity.

That allegation is false. Y es, I’m the minister responsible. The people who they are accusing — the people of the Provincial Health Ser- vices Authority, the people in the Ministry of Health, the people at NTT Canada — take this seriously, and I take it seriously. Now we have this game about who answers what in question period. That’s all they have, as they continue to engage in these practices, and it’s profoundly disappoint- ing. I offered them a briefing yesterday so that they could learn the facts, and they weren’t interested in that. They’re not interested in the facts.

They’re doubling down on this sort of terrible personal attack, which seems to be the stock-in-trade these days in politics. I find it very, very dis- appointing and not acceptable conduct on the part of any member of this Legislature. They’ve made these allegations. I’ve noted that they’re false. Now their only concern appears to be who answers what question in question period. Mr. Speaker:The member for Abbotsford West on a supplemental.

M. de Jong: What is profoundly disappointing is the lack of regard this minister and, apparently, this Premier have for the legal requirements that exist around privacy protection in the province of British Columbia. Forgive me and forgive us if we don’t accept at face value the assurance of the minister who lies at the centre of the alleged breach. It happened on his watch. That’s why we have a separate minister who has responsibilities, a specif- ic statutory responsibility, for privacy protection. [10:35 a.m.] The questions remain the same.

Confronted by the evid- ence that has been presented, the statements and emails from foreign jurisdictions like India, the confirmation of 5,000 files, that access to personal health files was provided outside of Canada…. There are laws in British Columbia that preclude that and that forbid that from happening. There are also requirements that the minister responsible for those laws, the Minister of Citizens’ Services, take specific action, like notifying the privacy commission and noti- fying British Columbians whose information might have been accessible.

Has any of that occurred; if it hasn’t occurred, why not; and when will it occur? Hon. A. Dix: Again, they have no evidence, because there is no evidence. Interjections. Mr. Speaker:Members. Tuesday, August 11, 2020 British Columbia Debates 12335

Hon. A. Dix: The people of the PHSA operated nor- mally and honourably in this instance. The evidence they claim to have doesn’t show what they say it is. Y et they con- tinue to smear people for no good reason. I suppose that’s an approach to being in opposition. Y ou keep repeating it in the hopes that somebody will pick it up and give it some legs or something like this. This is the state of things in this day and age, but I don’t think that’s true. I think that people have shown that that’s not the state of things and that we have to do better than that. We have to follow the facts and the evidence.

That’s what we try and do. It is extremely disappointing that instead of an apology today, the member for Abbotsford West and the member for Richmond-Queensborough continue to attack public servants in this way with charges for which they have no evidence and which aren’t true. All I can say is that that’s disappointing. Really, this display, which is unfortunate, says more about the people making the allegations than anything else. SITE C POWER PROJECT A. Olsen: To nobody’s surprise, we’ve recently found out that the Site C dam is in serious trouble.

The overall health of the project has been classified as “red, ” meaning it is facing serious cost overruns and

schedule delays. Site C is proving to be an endless money pit, and British Columbians are footing the bill. It started with a $6 billion price tag, rising to $8.8 billion in 2014. When this govern- ment forged ahead in 2017, it was at $10.7 billion. Now the price tag is unknown, but we know it’s going to be much higher than $10 billion. Site C is proving to be a colossal waste of money, and we can’t afford to just keep digging when we don’t know how deep the hole will go. My question is to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources. How much is too much?

Where is the government going to draw the line on the cost over- runs at Site C and reconsider the cost burden they’re ask- ing British Columbians to shoulder? Hon. B. Ralston:I thank the interim Leader of the Third Party for the question. In considering an answer to the question that has been posed, I think it’s important to recall that the previous gov- ernment, the old government, recklessly pushed the Site C project past the point of no return. Then-Premier Christy Clark said: “I will get it past the point of no return. ” The government refused to let our independent energy watchdog… Interjections. Mr.

Speaker:Members. Hon. B. Ralston: …the B.C. Utilities Commission, review the project. Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members, the minister has the floor. Thank you. Hon. B. Ralston:They signed off on a design that included geological risks, and they spent billions of dollars without proper oversight in their efforts to push this pro- ject past the point of no return. In the summer of 2017, we inherited a project facing significant cost pressures, but we were managing them. We are now facing geological risks in the design that the old government approved.

In addition, the global COV- ID-19 pandemic has created unforeseen challenges to the Site C project. In March, B.C. Hydro significantly scaled down the pro- ject and focused only on essential work and meeting crit- ical milestones. This was done in line with advice from the provincial health officer to ensure the safety of workers and communities. B.C.

Hydro is now in the process of safely scaling up construction activities in line with, again, the advice from public health officials. [10:40 a.m.] As detailed in the quarterly progress reports and the annual progress reports, there have been additional fin- ancial impacts on the project, such as an amendment to the main civil works contract. The COVID-19 pandemic continues to cause the most uncertainty when it comes to this project. I’ll end there. I’m sure that the member will have a sup- plemental. Mr. Speaker:Leader, Third Party, on a supplemental. A.

Olsen:The BCUC disagreed with the assertion that the minister just made — that this project was past the point of no return. There was a commitment to send this to the BCUC to review the project, which suggested that it was not past the point of no return — or else, why would we send it to the BCUC to review the project? To now state that it was past the point of no return and to put this bur- den on the shoulders of the previous government to try to absolve the responsibility of this House that currently exists in this place is not acceptable.

This project was not past the point of no return, because it continues to this day. We have to recognize the fact that we are just throwing good money after bad on this project. In December 2019, the overall health of the Site C project was red. That was due to the serious geotechnical instability concerns and contract disputes. However, when releasing the overdue progress reports on the dam, the minister did then what he did today, which was lean in on COVID-19 to explain the cost overruns and the delays — further unacceptable. 12336 British Columbia Debates Tuesday, August 11, 2020

Experts have been raising the alarm about the geotech- nical instability on this dam for years. According to B.C. Hydro, the cost of fixing these problems has now become “much higher than initially expected. ” So the massive cost escalations cannot be blamed on COVID-19 — at least, not honestly. The geotechnical issues are still not resolved, and it’s possible that the site may never be stable enough to support a dam of this size. My question is, again, to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources.

Can he clarify on the record that the cost uncertainties of Site C do not come down to COVID-19 and that the geotechnical instability is a signi- ficant factor in cost overruns and project delays that have yet to be resolved? Hon. B. Ralston:The member raises legitimate ques- tions about the cost and

schedule of the Site C project. Obviously, as the minister responsible, this is a topic I am deeply concerned about. That’s why I asked Peter Milburn, in his role as a special adviser, to work with B.C. Hydro to help provide fresh eyes and answers to the challenges faced by the Site C project. I think it’s important to remember, though, that the Site C project was facing significant cost pressures and risks when we first formed government in 2017. These have worsened, in large part due to the global COVID-19 pan- demic.

As a result of the pandemic, the scaling down of the work on the project and the scaling back up, B.C. Hydro is undertaking a rebaselining analysis of the project. This involves reviewing the cost and the time required to com- plete the remaining work for the project. This will help our government understand the true impact COVID has had on the budget. I anticipate being able to provide an update on cost projections later this fall. GOVERNMENT PLAN FOR EDUCATION SYSTEM REOPENING D.

Davies: When we first asked the Minister of Edu- cation if parents could expect clarity on his government’s back-to-school plan before August 20, he said yes. Since then, he’s broken that promise to parents, students and teachers. There are now more questions and concerns than ever before. The Premier has added to this confusion now by saying he’s not sure when classes will start. The minister said August 26 is when parents can expect confirmation if students will return to class the following week. Anxiety levels are sky-high for families.

Will the minister stop the doubletalk and feeding the confusion fire for families? Will students be back in class, yes or no, on September 8? [10:45 a.m.] Hon. R. Fleming: Thank you to the member for the question. What we’ve outlined — and this is in working with the entire school system and working with the pro- vincial health office — is a way to restart schools safely on September 8 in the province of British Columbia. We’ve been working on this since March, and our June restart committee has been working for weeks on this. Y ou saw an announcement done by myself and Dr.

Bonnie Henry on July 29, giving a comprehensive set of health and safety guidelines from the B.C. Centre for Disease Control about how to do just that. I have to say I am so pleased and proud to see school administrators, learning teams, sacrificing their summer back on the job to use those guidelines to develop local plans on how to restart school safely. They deserve our thanks, not only for the hard work that they’re doing but for the communications and the information that is com- ing to parents about what things will look like specifically. That’s what parents want.

They want local, specific infor- mation, and I understand that. They should rest assured that we have the innovative minds of school leadership in every part of the province working on just that now. The member’s question, I think, is specifically around what day students will actually return to class. I have to say that we’re looking at a very different September than in previous years. Previously, students would come back into class, usually with their previous year’s teachers, and wait a few days for school to be organized for the coming school year. We can’t do that in a pandemic.

That would not be in compliance with the BCCDC guidelines. So what we’re doing is working on exactly that issue with the steering committee that we have that is repres- entative of every important partner in the K-to-12 sector. Y ou will hear an announcement in the coming days clearly about what September 8 will look like for staff teams, including support staff, principals and vice-principals and the teaching staff coming back into the school and making sure that kids are organized into the classes where they will be with their peers in a unit that is designed to limit stu- dent interactions.

If that takes some extra time and builds additional con- fidence and fulfils the guidelines that have been developed by Dr. Bonnie Henry and her team, that’s what we’re going to do in the province of British Columbia. Mr. Speaker:The member for Peace River North on a supplemental. D. Davies:Unfortunately, the only thing that we did see on July 29 was the minister kicking the can down the road and laying all of the responsibility onto school districts. There was no plan given on July 29, and that is part of the problem. The minister is not accepting any responsibility for this.

It’s always that the committee has to do something to sort it out, it’s up to school districts, or it’s up to parents to make a plan. Parents are under a tremendous amount of anxiety. This morning, just now, the minister said maybe only teachers will be back in the class on September 8. Again, parents Tuesday, August 11, 2020 British Columbia Debates 12337

have enough stress, a tremendous amount, that they’re dealing with. They are looking for leadership from this minister. They’re looking for leadership from this govern- ment on what September 8 looks like. Plans have to be made by parents, by families. Would the minister give a clear answer on what schools will look like on September 8? If they’re not going to be open, say so. We need that clarity. Hon. R. Fleming: Thank you to the member for the question.

What we have provided at the highest level in this province is strong, effective, science-based leadership every step of the way for every sector of B.C. society, including schools. The way we’ve done it has been a col- laborative approach, working with every professional and parent organization and stakeholder in the K-to-12 educa- tion system to do this safely. We’re doing it in a very similar manner to what you’re seeing in other jurisdictions, including other Canadian provinces and European jurisdictions that the ministry is in close coordination with, and we’re doing it safely.

We’re doing it in a way that will allow a phased re-entry of students into school. If we have to use that first week of school to get it right and districts are saying, “Look, we need some time with our local administrative teams on the ground, ” that’s a conversation that’s happening at the steering committee. I think that’s a far more productive forum, quite frankly — and I say this respectfully — than in the Legislature during question period. Those meetings are happening on an almost daily basis. That’s an active area under discus- sion.

We will communicate what that looks like, because we do want to have consistency across the 60 school dis- tricts in our province. [10:50 a.m.] Look, we’ve got a lot of experts looking at how we can do this best. We’re hearing and respecting from the teaching profession, from support staff, that they want the schools to be organized and done in a way that is in full compli- ance with the new BCCDC guidelines. That’s the safe and responsible way to do things.

If we’re taking the time to listen to our partners and making adjustments as we go and showing some flexibility, I think that’s the responsible way to proceed. EDUCATION SYSTEM REOPENING AND ACCESS TO SCHOOL BUS SERVICES M. Stilwell:The Minister of Education promised clarity to parents by the end of July, and so far all he has delivered, in August, is chaos. To add to that chaos, I have a con- stituent whose child has always been able to ride the bus to school and to before- and after-school care.

This year the school district has informed her that it won’t happen, as they try to adapt to the guidance from the Ministry of Education in terms of capacity for buses. She relies on this service so that she can go to work while her child gets to school. To the Minister of Education, her child used to be able to access the bus, but now he can’t. Where is the plan for busing? What are parents supposed to do? Hon. R. Fleming: Well, I’ll have to take part of that question on notice, because I don’t have the specific details that the member raises. But let me be clear.

Transportation is fully funded, as it is in any year, for school. Buses will look different under a pandemic. School will look different under a pandemic. We have very clear guidelines and changes, physically, that will happen in buildings. We have health and safety measures that have to be adhered to — that students have to learn, not just professional staff and those who work in our school system — to keep schools as controlled sites in our community. These are valuable institutions for everyone in British Columbia.

We want to restore in-class instruction after an almost-six-month absence for most families and students in British Columbia. That’s why we flattened the curve in British Columbia. That’s why we’re doing everything we’re doing in terms of our robust public health response across this province. I will await some more details from the member about specifically what the communication has been from her district to this family. But it is certainly the case that school districts are working with the B.C.

Centre for Disease Control guidelines on how to adjust school transportation systems to and from schools to get kids to school safely. Mr. Speaker:The member for Parksville-Qualicum on a supplemental. M. Stilwell:Parents are already struggling around the challenges around the pandemic, and this minister contin- ues to make the situation worse for parents and families around this province. The school district is simply follow- ing the guidelines that were laid out by this ministry.

Now he’s throwing the school district under the bus, but it falls squarely on his lap. “The district adapted the bus capacity to meet the restrictions that were put in place. ” A simple question to the minister. He knows that there needs to be a plan. Parents are waiting for a plan. We’re at the middle of August almost. We’re weeks away from the restart. There were expectations from parents that children would be going back to school. Did he not have a thought or a plan in place for busing and how those children would get to school?

When is he going to fix the problem so parents don’t have to worry about how the children are going to get to school? Hon. R. Fleming:Well, as I said in my earlier answer to this member, if she provides some details about the com- munication between the school district and this family, I’m happy to look into it. But having been in touch with super- 12338 British Columbia Debates Tuesday, August 11, 2020

intendents and those working in the administrative teams around the province, if this is the case, it’s an anomaly. Districts are preparing and have already prepared, back in June, retrofits to their school buses, adding barriers. We announced, in the additional funding that we’re provid- ing to the school system this year, more money to hire additional custodians, deep-cleaning procedures, personal protective equipment for students and staff — for every student and staff member in the province — additional handwashing stations where required in schools.

There are supplies that are being funded directly by the Ministry of Education in acknowledgment that there are some addi- tional cost pressures related to the safe reopening of schools during this pandemic. [10:55 a.m.] The funding for transportation in British Columbia has gone up steadily since we formed government. Districts are planning, for the most part — again, I’m happy to look into this particular question — a resumption of safe trans- portation practices when we get back to school in Septem- ber. That is what we’re hearing in terms of reports from around the province.

Transportation obviously is critical for many families and students. It’s going to be done differently. That is correct. It’s going to be done according to the new health and safety protocols that we’ve developed, and that’s essential to maintain that service to get students to and from school. Mr. Speaker:Members, I’m going to allow one more question — Fraser-Nicola. We are so lopsided here on the questions and answers. It’s nobody’s fault. It’s just a func- tion, as we all know, of our new COVID situation and par- ticipating virtually. I will allow one question, no supple- mental. CHILD CARE PLAN J.

Tegart:More questions than answers. No certainty for families to plan. Y ou’ve made it worse, not better. For par- ents who are trying to plan child care, who are looking for daycare and after-school care, the Minister for Child Care has no plan. She’s studying it. To the Minister for Child Care, why is there no plan to help parents? Hon. K. Chen:Thank you to the member for the ques- tion. We have been providing actions, responding to this crisis during this pandemic since day one.

We have provided temporary emergency funding, and we have already invested over $250 million to make sure providers can continue to operate and providers who are closed can continue to come back with services. We’ve seen that happening during the past few months and especially the past few weeks. We are seeing more child care providers coming back to open up their spaces, and more parents are also returning to work because they are able to get the child care services they need.

As we’re looking towards September, we’ll continue to work with public health to make sure there are health and safety standards to ensure that child care can continue to operate, at the same time working with the sector, working with providers and working with early childhood educat- ors and also our local child care resource referral centres, who have been providing matching services for parents to be able to get the child care services they need. [End of question period.] Petitions Mr. Speaker:Columbia River–Revelstoke. D. Clovechok:Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, for this opportunity.

I am pleased to rise virtually in this House today to pres- ent a petition to the Minister of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development on behalf of my constituents in Revelstoke, regarding their objection to the potential development of the iconic Mount Begbie, a petition, I might add, I fully support. I’m proud to stand shoulder to shoulder in agreement with the community of Revelstoke. I’ll be forwarding an electronic copy of the petition to the Clerk’s office once I’m done.

There were 1,342 signa- tures collected in just one week, representing 20 percent of the census population of Revelstoke. The community is requesting a moratorium… Mr. Speaker:Thank you, Member. D. Clovechok:…on any future recreational develop- ment. Mr. Speaker:Thank you. D. Clovechok:I’ll read into the record, Mr. Speaker, the actual petition. They request that the government of Brit- ish Columbia… Mr. Speaker:Thank you, Member. D.

Clovechok:…place an interim moratorium on all commercial recreational development within a 20-kilo- metre radius from the centre of the Revelstoke boundary until a back-country recreation access management plan of the area within the Revelstoke timber supply area and the Columbia block of the Cascadia timber supply area is completed. P . Milobar:I, too, rise with a petition, but not for Mount Begbie. This is on behalf of the citizens of River- Tuesday, August 11, 2020 British Columbia Debates 12339

dale mobile home park in my riding. It is in regards to danger trees along the riverbank on provincial Crown land. They need them topped or removed. They are a danger to their homes. Unfortunately, no arm of government wants to take responsibility for the Crown land that they sit upon to remove these trees. They lie awake at night, worried that in a wind storm, trees will come into their mobile homes. It is signed by the 66 homes — and 86 signatures in total. D.

Davies: I present a petition here signed by over 15,000 concerned parents and folks around restoring the independent distributed learning funds that were recently cut by the Ministry of Education back in May. I’ d like to present this petition on behalf Daleen Bybee, who organ- ized this petition. [11:00 a.m.] A. Olsen:I don’t have a petition with 15,000 signatures, but I’ve got one with 115 signatures from Saltspring, so that might add some emphasis to it — concerned citizens requesting that the speed limit through Ganges be lowered to 30 kilometres an hour for pedestrian and cycling safety.

Orders of the Day Hon. M. Farnworth:I call continued debate for the estimates of the Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations. [11:05 a.m.] Committee of Supply ESTIMATES: MINISTRY OF FORESTS, LANDS, NATURAL RESOURCE OPERATIONS AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (continued) The House in Committee of Supply (Section B); S. Gibson in the chair. The committee met at 11:06 a.m. On Vote 29: ministry operations, $489,126,000 (continued). Hon. D.

Donaldson:I have a couple of pieces of infor- mation to read into the record in response to questions that arose yesterday, as well as from previous days’ estim- ates debate. The House Leader of the Green Party asked a question around how much of the budget in our ministry is given to conducting surface and groundwater studies yesterday. We endeavoured to get that information for her, and I said that I’ d have it this morning. Staff has been col- lating that.

I think the question is more accurately typified as, “How much of the budget?” because the majority of the funding for the groundwater and surface water studies monitoring budget is managed by the Ministry of Environment. But I can give some numbers to the member. The three areas, and it’s very integrated, around water and water inventory are the snow survey programs, the federal-provincial hydrometric network and the provincial groundwater observation network. The snow survey program — Environment has a budget of $168,000 for its operations.

It’s essential to understanding the groundwater recharge and the sur- face water discharge. The federal-provincial hydrometric network — the Ministry of Environment contributes $2.592 million to that. The remainder is contributed by the federal govern- ment partners to $6.9 million per year. Our ministry con- tributes a portion from the projects we operate to that. The provincial groundwater observation network has 217 sites. It’s funded through environment and supported by our technicians for operations.

Under the Water Sus- tainability Act, there were $335,000 in groundwater sci- ence projects last fiscal year; $79,000 of that was an app for mapping projects. In 2021, the surface and groundwater studies budget associated with WSA is $260,000, much of that focused on specific projects like the Koksilah and Chemainus rivers. I think that’s…. I don’t want to spend too much more time, but there are more details, and we’ll get them to the member. [11:10 a.m.] S. Furstenau: Thank you to the minister for the response to yesterday’s question.

I just have one question I’m going to ask this morning and then hand things off to my colleague for Saanich North and the Islands. The B.C. government still has a fact sheet on old growth, posted on their website, published in 2013 under the pre- vious Liberal government. This fact sheet opens with: “Old-growth forests are not disappearing. There are more than 25 million hectares of old-growth forests in B.C. ” On another website, government states that old-growth forests comprise about 23 percent of forested lands and about 13.2 million hectares.

I’m concerned about the discrepancy between these two numbers and that the government continues to post mis- leading statistics on the state of old growth. Independent scientists, using government’s own data, found that 80 per- cent of the 13 million hectares is small trees. Given this, my question to the minister is: will gov- ernment change their communication around old growth to accurately represent what type of old forest actually remains and to show the difference between productive old forests that support large trees and the small trees that represent the vast majority of the total? Hon. D.

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preamble to her question — that we do use the definition of old growth stated in the 1995 Biodiversity Guidebook. In general, that definition is for trees 250 years or older on the coast, and 140 years and older in the Interior.

Of course, there are some further factors that refine the definition, based on the frequency of natural disturbances and ecological units, but that’s gener- ally what we use. [11:15 a.m.] As far as the findings of the independent science report and the numbers they use, the amount of hectares of old- growth forest, reported provincially to be at 13.2 million hectares, corresponds reasonably well with that generated by the forest analysis and inventory branch, at 13.7 million hectares. We’ve committed to engagement on the independent panel report.

I know that they were in receipt of the inde- pendent investigator scientists report. We are committed to taking action on updating the government’s old-growth strategy. We do recognize that better access to government data and information on old growth is needed. That’s been something that’s been repeated by users of the database and by those who have an interest in old-growth forest management in B.C. So we’re going to have more to say as we do the analysis on the panel report.

It’s all about building trust with the public, ensuring that we have biodiversity and ecosystems that reflect the diversity in B.C. and that are sustainable, as well as protecting forest economies in rural communities for workers and jobs. The Chair:Does the House Leader of the Third Party have any further queries of the minister? S. Furstenau:I will hand it over to my colleague. He will follow up with a question. A. Olsen:Thank you to the minister for his response. It was part of a

preamble in one of the questions that I asked recently in question period that we’re getting to a situation in British Columbia — especially to the minis- ter’s final piece of his response, which was around protect- ing forestry-dependent communities — where the trans- ition needs to happen and needs to happen very quickly, because we will either do that transition now, or we’ll get to a situation where we’ll get to the edge of the cliff and fall off. So I ask the question.

An independent report on the state of B.C. ’s old-growth forest was released earlier this year, in anticipation of the government’s own old-growth task force that the minister referenced. This report was calledB.C. ’s Old Growth Forest: A Last Stand for Biod- iversity, and it was by Price, Holt and Daust. It included a number of extremely concerning facts about the state of our old forests in B.C.

It found that a vast majority of B.C. ’s old growth, 80 percent, consists of low- timber-value small trees and that the majority of product- ive forest sites have less than 30 percent of their natural old trees, with nearly half having 1 percent of their old growth. Given that this report used publicly available provincial data, can the minister confirm the accuracy of the report’s findings? [11:20 a.m.] Hon. D. Donaldson:To the interim leader of the Green Party, I appreciate the question.

We appreciate that the independent scientists’ report — independent in that they don’t work for the provincial government — included the ministry data, and it’s great that they were using a consist- ent data set. That’s been pretty important. What I’ve dis- covered over a number of years being the minister is that there are varying data sets out there. I’m appreciative that they used the ministry data set. We’ve been focusing our analysis on the independent panel’s report, the one that we commissioned on old growth, completed by Al Gorley and Garry Merkel.

We’ve not verified the findings with the Price, Holt and Daust report. I have met with two of the three authors of the report. As well, the senior management team leading our old-growth forest review has met — just last week, I believe it was, or late July — with the Price, Holt and Daust authors. We’re happy and pleased to meet with the three authors again during the engagement process following the public release of the panel’s report. At this point, we’re committed to engaging on a panel report after the public release. A.

Olsen: What analysis has the forest analysis and inventory branch of the ministry undertaken to validate the findings of the report? If there is any, when will it be done, and will it be made public? Hon. D. Donaldson:The forest analysis and inventory branch hasn’t yet undertaken analysis of the Price, Holt and Daust report.

The forest analysis and inventory branch, as part of our team, is focused on analyzing the independent panel’s report on old growth, completed by Al Gorley and Garry Merkel. [11:25 a.m.] As I said already, we and the senior management team put together for the analysis of the independent panel report have met with Price, Holt and Daust to better understand their findings. When we do the public release of the panel’s report, as part of the engagement process, we’ll be pleased to meet with the three authors that I’ve mentioned.

Of course, before and as part of the public release of the panellists’ report, we’ll be first and foremost engaging with a government-to-government relationship with First Nations to formulate any policy changes that may occur as a result of the panel report. The final part of the member’s question was: once forest analysis and inventory branch work is completed on the Tuesday, August 11, 2020 British Columbia Debates 12341

Price, Holt and Daust report — once we’re finished with the panel report — will it be released publicly? Y es, we commit to that. I also make note that when I actually met with Price and Daust, I asked about the report and whether it had been submitted to the independent panel that we’ d convened — because the report’s final version came out in May, I believe, and the panel’s submissions were due by the end of March, or earlier. I was told by the authors that they had put in a draft of the report to the independent panel.

I was assured by them, and it was confirmed by the panel, that they’ d received the report and taken it into consideration in creating their recommendations. A. Olsen:In budget estimates and in question period, I and my caucus colleagues have been asking a lot of ques- tions around old growth. We’ve asked questions about the

definitions of “old growth” for three years now. Before I move on to a different subject, I just want to reiterate com- ments that the minister made with respect to public con- fidence and the

definitions of “old growth, ” how much is left, what’s high-value or low-value. All of this is very con- fusing for many people. I think it is important for this government and for future governments, if they are going to have the confid- ence of the public on this issue. that they get those defin- itions and those numbers very clear, that they make them public and that they be defensible, because this has been a frustrating exercise over the past three-and-a-bit years. Unless those numbers get clarified, it will continue to be a frustration for British Columbians.

I’m going to switch gears here now to tenures and the increasing number of boats in bays and inlets. The min- ister knows that this is an issue that has been in front of me for quite some time, an issue that has been growing in the coastal communities for the past decade, maybe even a generation. It’s an issue I was introduced to when I first got elected to the district of Central Saanich — the regula- tion of mooring buoys in sheltered bays and inlets. In my riding, I can just name four: Brentwood Bay, Tsehum Har- bour, Ganges Harbour and Burgoyne Bay.

They’ve all got a proliferation of boats, and it’s been exponential growth. In some cases it’s actually making boating very difficult to get in and out of established marinas, because there is very little regulation and very little coordination that I can see between the federal and the provincial govern- ments. There are currently few or maybe no tools in place for communities to address the social and environmental issues that come as a result of this. Bays and inlets are clogged, barely passable. Each winter boats sink, and rarely do the owners take responsibility for the cost.

It then just gets borne by the taxpayer. With no enforcement come other challenges. The feder- al and provincial governments have basically had a staring contest on this one. That’s what has happened in Central Saanich, Saltspring Island and other places up and down the coast of the province. The district of Central Saanich was finally successful in getting a licence of occupation for Brentwood Bay. [11:30 a.m.] However, the province essentially said: “Our problem is now your problem. ” They basically downloaded it to the district.

No small community — whether it be Central Saanich, North Saanich or Sidney — can accept all the lia- bility that is carried by having the licence of occupation. Essentially, what the district has been asking the prov- ince is whether or not they will share in the cost of the liab- ility if a boat sinks — if they’ll share in the cost of dispos- ing of that, as an example. But this government has done what past governments have done. There has not really been much difference in this. To the minister, Central Saanich is approaching the cap- ital regional district to help with the problem.

If the CRD steps in to help with the management, will this provincial government step up to share in the liability of this issue? [11:35 a.m.] Hon. D. Donaldson:Apologies for the delay in answer- ing. It is a complex topic because of so many jurisdictional overlaps. I appreciate the member bringing this issue to my attention almost immediately after I became the min- ister. I’ve learned a lot more about this issue from him and have had lengthy discussions with staff around the topics that he brings to me on this. He’s correct.

There are many players involved — Trans- port Canada federally; the Coast Guard federally; local government, as he’s already outlined; ourselves as the spe- cific regulator when it comes to moorage, because the ocean floor is considered provincial jurisdiction and under the ministry I represent. Specifically to the Brentwood Bay situation, there were meetings just as recently as February with all the players that I just discussed, as well, and the district, of course — this local government. The specific responsibility we have is, as regulator, with respect to the licence.

We will con- tinually be involved with those who we issue tenures to and, in this case, the licence of occupation. The suggestion on the district pursuing cost-sharing on the liability with the CRD is something that we would like to learn more about, and we’re willing to meet more on that front. The legal opinion that we have, from our legal staff, is that the liability with respect to these kinds of ten- ure allocations is the responsibility of the tenure holder. However, as I said, I’m not shutting doors. I’ve asked staff to….

And please, the member could encourage the district to share information around the cost-sharing initi- ative that they’ve proposed with the CRD. We’re willing to meet with the district more on that. A. Olsen:I’ve heard for years, for basically a political generation, that this is a complex issue. The multi-jurisdic- tional issue makes it complex. 12342 British Columbia Debates Tuesday, August 11, 2020

I guess one of the challenges I have with that is that if we’ve recognized that it’s complex…. One of the things that we learned in Brentwood Bay, as an example, is that when those parties got around the table, we could sort it out. I understand that it’s a complex, multi-jurisdictional issue. I understand that as a response, but I don’t think that that is, frankly, acceptable when we’ve had a situation that has been persisting for a very long time and is not being resolved. Basically, what’s happening in Brentwood Bay now is we’ve got mooring buoys with chunks of dock attached to them, multiple boats.

There is basically a party float out there. None of this is legal, from what I understand the situation to be, and no level of government is taking responsibility for it. So it just proliferates. It just contin- ues. That’s not to say that there aren’t potential housing solu- tions for people living on board boats. That’s all aside on this. But what is right square, centre that we should be looking at is that if we are going to have a responsibility, then we have to have the enforcement.

Otherwise, what’s the point? [11:40 a.m.] If I’m correct in hearing the minister, if the district did not accept that licence of occupation, then the tenure holder would be the provincial government, and it would be the responsibility of the provincial government to actu- ally enforce this situation.

If that’s the case, why is the pro- vincial government not doing that and creating incredible headaches and social challenges in these communities up and down the coast and then basically looking to local governments to lean on property tax payers to foot the bill of what is essentially a provincial responsibility? [11:45 a.m.] Hon. D. Donaldson:I can hear the frustration in his voice.

It is a situation that when you have a number of jurisdictions and you see the problem, as he’s described, proliferating, yet there doesn’t seem to be a coordinated response, it can be absolutely frustrating to the people who live in that area and see this going on. The member asked about compliance and enforcement and accountability. Part of the solution we heard from loc- al government was tenuring. That’s why we, at the request of local government, pursued a form of tenuring, the licence of occupation.

Part of the reason I believe the local government wanted to achieve a certain amount of control was to, for instance, have the ability to prevent vessels coming in to use the moorage — prevent those ones that were in imminent danger of sinking or for safety concerns or those kind of things. When a vessel does sink, that’s Transport Canada’s responsibility, federally. The majority of the enforcement and regulations, once the moorage is attained, is a federal government responsibility.

However, as I described before, we’re willing — our staff is more than willing — to sit down with the district around their pursuit of more sup- port from the CRD around liability. We’re very willing to keep the discussion going on trying to solve this issue, because it is an ongoing and difficult one. A. Olsen:Just one final question here. I recognize I’m getting to the end of my time. But I do want to highlight another issue that’s relevant in my riding. It’s also an issue that highlights some of the lack of coordination between the various levels of government and the multiple jurisdic- tions.

This is with respect to the forests on the southern Gulf Islands. Y ou would think that the Islands Trust, with their man- date of preserve and protect, would do that — would pre- serve and protect the southern Gulf Islands — especially considering that there’s a trust called the Islands Trust that was set up to preserve and protect the Gulf Islands on behalf of all British Columbians. It is a great idea, and generally, it has worked, except it has not preserved and protected, for example, some of the last remaining of the coastal Douglas fir on the coast.

I began receiving messages that entire properties were being clearcut, and residents asked that I step in to stop it. I learned that there was nothing I could do. When I talked to the Islands Trust trustees, I learned that they also had no powers to stop it granted to them through the Islands Trust Act. When the Islands Trust was created, they were not given the same powers as municipal governments to regulate tree cutting. This power is granted through the Community Charter to the Local Government Act.

So it’s a result that both the provincial and local elected represent- atives have their hands in the air with no ability to actually preserve and protect the last remaining stands of Douglas fir on the British Columbia coast. The provincial government has had, in the past, the Douglas fir and associated ecosystems conservation part- nership. The goal was to provide sound science, conduct education outreach, cultivate effective partnerships, facil- itate securement of additional protected ecosystems and support active ecosystem management.

From what I can see, this has been ineffective on the southern Gulf Islands. While the politicians have been obfuscating, the chainsaws have been roaring. [11:50 a.m.] To the minister, a difficult and complex policy area, but a simple question. Does he support amending the Islands Trust Act to grant the local Trust Council similar powers to a municipal elected council to have the ability to regu- late tree cutting? Hon. D. Donaldson:I want to describe the situation around whether….

In the instance where harvesting is happening on private managed forest land, we have con- ducted a review of the Private Managed Forest Land Act and the Private Managed Forest Land Council, and we’ll Tuesday, August 11, 2020 British Columbia Debates 12343

be coming up with recommendations from that to address that particular situation. But that’s not the situation that he is describing. He’s describing amending the Islands Trust Act to enable the regulation of tree cutting on private property under that act. It’s our understanding that that act falls under the Min- istry of Municipal Affairs and Housing. I will tell the mem- ber that I will pursue his request with the minister responsible for that act, the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing. I can’t presume to talk to

an act, specifically, that this ministry isn’t responsible for. But I will pursue it with the responsible minister. Oh, and before we…. I know that we’re probably head- ing back to my official opposition critic. I wanted to make sure I had time to read into the record a couple of correc- tions from items on two previously debated topics. One was on spruce beetle stumpage from July 31, the last day we met in July, regarding the statement I made about instituting a 25-cent stumpage rate to encourage licensees to go after beetle-kill wood.

The stumpage system recognizes there is a $55-per-cubic-metre difference in the value between a live spruce tree and a grey attack spruce beetle–kill tree. However, if the timber in a stand is less than 100 percent spruce beetle attack as appraised, the stumpage rate will likely be higher. So I just wanted to clarify that. It’s not a carte blanche 25-cent stumpage. It depends on the amount of attack in a stand. Then on the Boundary TSA annual allowable cut from yesterday’s debate. Regarding the question on the Bound- ary TSA AAC determination, where I noted the last one was done in 2015, that was incorrect.

The chief forester last determined the AAC on May 24, 2014. It maintained the AAC at 700,000 cubic metres. On October 11, 2016, the AAC was reduced to 670,142 cubic metres to reflect the land removed for a community forest agreement. [11:55 a.m.] J. Rustad:I was hoping we would get some time this morning to wrap up. Looks like we will not be able to wrap up, so we’ll have to come back just after lunch. If I can get a little bit of time this afternoon, we’ll be able to wrap up then. I’ll take the few minutes we have to ask a couple of little questions on the same issue.

Y esterday we spoke about the Gidimt’ en blockade. The minister wasn’t aware of any communications. The media had approached the Ministry of Forests locally about cleaning up the site, provided pictures of the material and the issues that were left behind on that blockade, on the Morice River Road. The Ministry of Forests people sent them to the Ministry of Indigenous Relations. They went there for an answer. The Minister of Indigenous Relations then responded saying, on behalf of the Ministry of Forests, there were no plans to do any cleanup.

The Gidimt’ en hereditary chiefs say the site is not abandoned, although obviously there is no activity happening there at the moment. Perhaps the minister could look into that and provide something in writing as to how that will be addressed. The second question — I’ll just pose it here before we go to our break at lunch — was with the Wet’suwet’ en First Nation. They have written the minister on several occasions now with frustration that their forest con- sultation revenue-sharing agreement, FCRSA, is not being moved forward. They want to move it forward. The ministry is not advancing it.

Their concern is that the MOU between the province and the hereditary chiefs of the Office of the Wet’su- wet’ en is getting in the way, which means they can’t renew their consultation revenue-sharing agreement. Of course, the big issue for the Wet’suwet’ en First Nation…. That’s a revenue stream for them, as well as access on their land and other issues associated with that, which comes with the forest consultation revenue-sharing agreement, so there’s a big concern.

The question to the minister is: why is the ministry not renewing the forest consultation revenue-sharing agree- ment with the Wet’suwet’ en First Nation? Is it hung up in the MOU in terms of who has the authority on the land base? The Wet’suwet’ en First Nation in the letter to the minister is questioning if the ministry is hanging it up. Do they need to go to court, then, to assert their rights over their traditional territory, and hence, of course, create all kinds of potential disruption to forestry? I recognize we’re out of time, so I’ll leave those two questions with the minister.

I look forward to the oppor- tunity to come back after the break to continue the debate. Hon. D. Donaldson:I move that the committee rise and report progress on the estimates of the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development and seek leave to sit again. Motion approved. The committee rose at 11:58 a.m. The House resumed; Mr. Speaker in the chair. Committee of Supply (Section B), having reported progress, was granted leave to sit again. Hon. M. Farnworth moved adjournment of the House. Motion approved. Mr. Speaker:This House stands adjourned until 1:30 this afternoon.

The House adjourned at 12 noon. 12344 British Columbia Debates Tuesday, August 11, 2020

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