PROVINCE OF NEWFOUNDLAND AND lABRADOR .HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY Volume 1 Number 10 4th. Session :14th. Gener:al Assembly VERBATifv1 REPORT \' .. FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 1970 SPEAKER: THE • JONOURABLE GEORGE W; CLARKE

February 27tlo., 1970 The House met at 3:00 p.m. Mr. Speaker in the Chair. Tape no. 124 Page 1 HON_:__¥]_!.J:.IAM ~ CALLAHAN (Ninister off Mines, A_g_riculture and Resources): Mr. Speaker, on or about the: 114 February of this year, an amount of bunker sea fuel oil accidentally was discharged into the sea in the vicinity of the French Islands of St. Pieere ;;end lliquelon off the south coast of the Island of Newfoundland. The incident was not reported immediately.

It came to the attention of the Government of Canada only whem an official of the Canadian l>ildlife Service discovered an oil slick of magor proportions in the area off the · Burin Peninsula. The discovery was made some days after the spill occurred. The matter came to the attention of ttfue Government of the Province subsequently. Officials of the Wildlife Service of· ~is Government immediately were direct~d to investigate the ·affects of the oill. spill in co-operation with officials of the Government of Canada. The dfficials of this Governmemt who took

part in the investigation over a period of several days have rew:orted to me that the oil spill has had quite a seriou;; impact upon the sea H.tLrd resources of the area. They also report that the oil has come ashore ~r a large

section of the Burin Peninsula, but there is no present estimate of ~ge that may have been caused other than the damage to sea bird stocks. ~e investigation is continuing and a definitive report on it is being carnwiled.

The incident underlines concenms which the Government have held for some time and which have led us to comsider ~1hat action, if any, the Govern:r:ent should take bearing in mind any juris~iction or any responsibilities which properly r.~ay be those of the Governmen"i:.t of Canada. l~e recognize that the Gcver=.~ of Canada have responsibilities.in r~~ct of navigation and fisheries and also in respect of the International ~igrattury Birds Convention.

Although these jurisdictionally are Federal areas, i·tt is obvious that what occurs in these areas is of very great interest to the Prov±mce and the Government, therefore, are very much concerned and are not directly r.e~ponsible. The responsibij .ity of this Govetnr.lent certainly extends to our l'amd areas and in the matter under discussion~

February 27th., 1970. Tape no. 114 Page 2 our coastline in particular and ve believe that steps must be taken to protect our coastline in respect .cf <M:tions accidental or otherwise which nonetheless may occur within Feder~ jurisdiction or administration in the first instance. We believe th~t the Governmem~ should have the right in Statute Law to take action for damages in behalf ~f the Crown and that private persons or corporations who are citizens of ttihis Province also should be en;1bled to seek compensation for damages aris~ng out of incidents such as that vhfch recently occurred of the Burin Penfmsula.

We think action is necessary in view of the fact that what ever mrnnedies may be taken by the Government of Canada in such occurrences, thesoe must of necessity relate to areas of Federal ~~risdiction, admnistratiom,, interest or responsibility. Since the Government of Canama can have no jurisdiction over property or civil rights which are within the ~rovince's jurisdiction, it must be expected that Canada , be prevented' .!from affording direct protection to the Province and its individual and co~wrate citizer~ ·in those respects.

We, therefore, intend to propose during ~he session legislation for the protection of this Province's coastline alains~: ~amage ensuing from the discharge, accidental or otherwise of · .. hazardous cargoes, which legislation also will be the basis for actions for compen~tion for damage to the coastline and such installations publicly or priv~ttely owned as may be located thereon. PRESENTING PE:JriTIONS MR. HAROLD COLLINS: Hr.

Speaker, r: :beg leave to present a petition which I have received from NorthemArm. 'Illhe petition is signed by eighty residents of that community and the prayer of' ttfue petition is as follows: "We the undersigned protest a>.trenuously to the closing of our school here at Northern Arm. To take smal] , ~hlldren eight miles on a cold winter morning is very unsatisfactory even a::-ruel. We have had a school here since 1880 and have turned out ministers, ~actors, teachers and several others highly skilled. Our school is 'Qebt free amd has a furnace and tiolets.

The ,;tp~lZ: closing of the school will mean the~. of the community." Sir, I was hoping that the N~nister of Education would have been in his ....

seat today because I had planned to dra~' to.his .attention tbe.fact-~hat. : l ~ last fall in October month a public meeting was held at Northern Arm. 1ne minister and , : several of his top officials were invited to attend. I was invited to attend and the clergymen ~n the area were invited to attend. I am sorry to say that while the clergym~n turned up at the meeting and I was at the meeting myself, no one was chere representing the Department of Education and in my opinion, Hr.

Speaker, it is imperative that _ the new organization in the school systems :in Newfoundland - it is imperative that the ministers of the Crown and the officials of the Department of Education make every effort to co~unicate with the people at public meetings to discuss with them the merits cor othe!i:-:.<'ise the closing out of small schools and having children attend larger schoo:!:-s. However, Mr. Speaker, I would ask that this petition be presafited to the tabl .- -.- of ~ 1 1e ''nuse and referred IOD the department to which it relates. MR.

SPEAKEF:Itis mo~and second~d tha~ this petition be received and referred to the departnent to which it relates. ~arried. MR.A: -k'ORNEI:.L: Hr. Speaker, I beg leave u:o present a petition from the people of Jersey Harbour, Fortune Bay. The pr~yer of this petition is that rural electrification be provided to the comnwnity either by a generating plant or to have a connecting line rrovided f~m the transmission line which is presently going from Bay d'Espoir to Ha~bour Breton. In endorsing this petition, I m.~y say that the residents of Jersey Harbour are among the best Ne\~foundland'e:·rs that I know.

Host of the male population are deep sea fishermen. -Th~y go away in the Spring to fish on the trawlers and draggers, the Lvn~nburg out of Lockeport, and they return in the Fall and bring into the settletr.emt of Jersey Harbour an approximate $80,000 or nore. I have much pleasure,. Sir, in endorsing the prayer of this petition. I ask thatit be receive& by this hon. House and referred to the department to which it relates. HR. SPEAKER: lve move and second it thatt: this petition be received and referred to the department to \vhich it relates. MR. ~RiY~EARLE: Mr.

Speaker, I have g~eat pleasure in supporting this petition as presented by the hen. the member fo1: -Hermitar;e, although he mentioned the place concerned Jersey Harbour as be·.-ing in Fortune Bay. Unfortunately, it does riot come within my district. I wia;;h it did. They· are very fine people . ~her s-~·4

as he mentinns. The fact is, of course, in that

section of Newfoundland the need for electricity and the final lighting up of all the settlements is a most urgent matter. In Fortune Ray, my district, I completed the electrification of the last settlement in the Bay last year. That was Pool's Cove and the people have received excellent service and are delighted. but as all citizens on that coast, in all places are equal, I feel that the hon. member is right in that electricity should be extended to his service and I hope that the prayer of his petition does receive the approval of the department concerned. MR.

SPEAKER:It is movedand seconded that this petition be received and referred to the department to which it relates. Carried. PRESENTING REPORTS OF STANDING AND SELECT Cm!MITTEES HON. HAROLD STARKES (Minister of Hi~bwavs): Mr. Speaker, I beg leav~ to _ table the report of regulations knave as, Highway Traffic Fees Regulation made under the Highway Traffic Act during the past year. BON. ERIC JONES (Minister of Financ e) : Mr. Speaker, I wish to table copies of all special warrants issued during the current year. NOTICE OF HOT'lON \ •, . MR. T. ALEX HI<XMAN: Mr.

Speaker, :r :give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce the following resolution: "

WHEREAS it is in the interesu of good government to have a Standing Committee of the House to examine the Public Accounts of the Province and the Report of the Audito~ General;

BE IT RESOLVED that this House recommends the appointment of a Standing Committee to examine the Pub1ic Accounts of the Province and the Report of the Auditor General, and fmrther reco~mends that at least one member of the Official Opposition be appoin.~d to this Standing Committee." " ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS BON. r .R. SMALLt~OOD (Premier): Mr. Speaker, I was called out of the Chamber to take an important phone call and I~ therefore, missed the opportunity to

e~ress a: word of welcome to two c::].asses of academic upgrading classes numbering aixty fro.m the College of Fisheries • and I wonder if I could be allowed to express that word of welcome in beilal..f of tile Hquse. If I hear no objection. I will do so. There is some sixty of tile sltludents of the College of Fishe .ries • ·. •·

·. the students of the ColleF:e of Fisheries. !·;ell, fisheries, navipation, marine engineering and electronics. And tt.~~ese t~ro classes are in for academic upgrading, and they are here today visiting us with }lessers Patrick Gushue and Walter Young. And I want to say that ~~e are extremely delighted to have them with us, we are very pleased inceed that they are here visitin~ us today. I assume that these sixty young men come in to the College from all around the Province, all points of the compass. knd that they are therefore pretty representative 7 geographicall~ of cur Newfoundland people.

Nothing that I ever did since I was born F?.ave me much rr.ore pleasure that did the founding of that College. It was I think a great contribution, the College itself, to Newfoundland and I believe the College is making·' a ~eat contribution to our Province. I do not see how it is possible for young men to come in from all over the Province and attend this College, rub shoulders, get to know each other, sit at the seat of learned men and lectures, instructors, demonstrators, without heing better men, better Newfoundlanders, than they were before they came.

Now this afternoon they have come to the people's House, I dare say if the truth were known, hoping there will be a row or hoping that there will be a bit of excitement. Nothing brings pe~1e to anything, a wrestling match, or a bexing fight, or a general election or 4 Rouse of Asse~bly more than the hope of a row, or at least a bit of pugilis~~f some sort, verbal, oral, politically, statesmen ship, and the same thin~ woul& aFply perhaps in this House. I do hope to have a somewhat higher motive besides d sat one.

That they would feel that they are here to participate, if only as visf~~rs and observer~, participate for an hour or two in the work of the ProvinceD ~s it is performed here in this Cq~mber. I am sure that I can speak for ~e House and including the Leader of the Opposition, who every day is challenged llio/ me, and I have never known him to reject the challenge. ' c And before- he was Leader,. h:l s prede.Ssors too, received the same challenge from rr.e, and not one of the:n awer refused it.

They always lived up to my challenge ,which is that he vill standi in his place and agree with evey word I that I have said about these fine young ~l~~foundlanders. And I know without asking c him even that he will echo and re-echo mw vords of welcome to one of his predessors, his vorship the Payor of the City of Cornrer Brook, ~:ewfoundland's first city. First in importance, and second in age, fuu~ first in importance. And the former Leader of the Conservatives, the Tories :itl'l Ne'lo.':foundland in this llouse,we are delighted to see him here, and he must nmt ~et . any false ideas, at least on the 5"47

i;- .-\ surface, his party has only gro~om to filll'e on the .surface. But, if he digs a little deeper as I have done here, he will realize that they number more than five. He can figure that one out. And I will dare say he will come to the right answer. The Leader of the Opposition is grinning like a Chesh~re cat, he knows what I mean. He understands what I mean exactly. And he is so delighted with it.

I do extend sincerely a very word of welcome to the students and also to the former Leader of the Opposition, who is sitting in the stranJers galleries. 't£ 1 F* MR. .ANTHONY l-IDRPHY: As usual we accept the challenge, and I might say it is a great pleasure today to welcome the young men from the Fisheries College, with their teachers I presume Hr. Gushue and }!r. Young.

And as the Premier has pointed out it is.very significant, I think, that these young men possibly represent pretty well all the Provincial District~within this beautiful Province of ours, and my wish is that in this timt: '~hen our fishery, I believe, at last after many years it is going to take its proper place in the economy of our Province, that they would continue to try to the best of their ability to develop the fisheries as a profession. And where we cannot loo~ down on a fishe~an any more, we will acknowledge that he is taking his ri~htful place in the development of our great Provi"ce.

So I would say, and we echo the words of the Premier, very much welcome to you all. With reference to the Ron. the Leader of the Opposition, the past Leader of the Opposition, Leader of the Party, I too, would like to welcone him. His good wife and his two sisters. And at the same time, !·!r. Speaker, if I may extend to him the sincere sympathy of us all on the recent death of his mother. And I am sure that all members of the House will join with rne in saying to Dr. Hurphy, our sincere sympathy to you, Sir, anc! to your family. Thank you very much. HON. L. R. CURTIS: (PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL) i:r.

Speaker, I give mttice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a Bill, ''

An Act Further To Amend The S=ary Jurisdiction Act:" HON. W. J. KEOUGH: (MINISTER OF DEPARTME,'T OF LABO!JR): Mr. Speaker, I ~ive notice that I will on torr.orrow ask leave to introduce a Bill, ''An Act To Repeal The Trade Union (Emergency Provisions) Act, 1959." . · .: ': • • l.,. I .,

HON • . G. A. FRECKER: (~~~~ISTJ:R •'W DEPARTME:'ll: OF . PROV1:~ClAL AF(AIRS) : "1-:r. Speake·r,. I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a Bill, "An Act To Amend The Youth Administration Act, 1968." ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS BON. J. R. SMALLWOOD (PRD!IER): t!r. Speaker, on the Order Paper of today question No. 98 in the name of the han. the me~ber for St. John's Rest. The answer to: (1) that a number of the recommendations have been put into effect by the Government even before the report was written and certainly before it was received, and others wi.11 be announced in time to time.

(2) Yes - the first part of the second is "yes", and the second part of the second is, principally I, as ~rinister of Economic Development, and of course as Premier. (3) $328,192.97 Question No. 104 in the name of the hon. member for St. John's West, the answer is $14,056.86. The breakdown is Allied Reproductions, a printing firm, for the printing $3,211.90; and to the firm themselves, $10,801.00; and Air - Freight $43.96. Question No. 105 in the name of the hon. the member for St. Barbe South. The answer·to:

(1) Tabled herewith. It ~s too long to read.

(2) Is tabled herewith. (3) is tabled heretdth. (4) &

(5) Is tabled herewith. Question No. 106 in the name of the hon. the member for St. John's West:.

(1) April or }~y of the present year.

(2) That the only assistance, financially or otherwise, to the company from the G~rnment is first, the renting of buildings to them at a nominal rate. Second, immmd.'ty to Provincial Gov,ern:nent Taxation for the first two years of their operatfmn. This is the normal concession that we agreed to give to Stephenville and Be1l Island to any industries establishin~ there for the first two years of their aotual operation a£ter they begin production. I think that is all, rental of buildings at a nominal rate, which of course are . out of the care of maintenance basis.

And ~unity from Provincial Taxation for two years after they begin operatin~. Question No. 109 in the name of t~e hon. the member for Burin. I am not sure whether it is proper to address the ~uestion to me or to any_hon. member of the House, other than his Honour, the Speaker. But, I can:of my own knowledge say in reply to No. 1 - that the Resolutf,on after being adopted by this House was forwarded by Hr. Speaker to his Excellency, the Governor General of Canada, who would normally pass it on to the Sec~~tary of State for Canada or else dirEctly to 'Mr.

Speaker in the House of Commons, ~ho would brinr, it before Parliament, yet- . r Ottawa, who would adopt a resolution acfd1:1essing· a hi•mble petition to Her Majesty ~- '-1 q

.. . the Queen. Praying Her Hajesty to cause to : be laid · before the Parliametlt of. the United Kingdom. The petition of the Parliament of Canada, which petition would have been made at the ~ehest of the Parliament of this Province. I assume that all of these thin~s have happened. I do know Mr. Speaker did f~rward the resolution of this House to His Excellency the Governor General of Canada. In reply to No. 2 I have to say that I koDw of ·no reply, I have received none certainly, and I know of no reply rece~w.ed from the Governor of Canada, and I know of no subsequent correspondence.

I would imagine the first thing we would hear would be that the Parliament ~f the rnited Kin~dorn had enacted the amendment': to the British North American ~ct in accordance with the request of this legislature expressed through the P~liarnent of Canada. Question No. 112 on today's Order 'Paper in the name of the hon. the member for Gander. In answer to

(1) In IDecember of this year, 2QO;OOO : ho~sepower will come on stream, will come into prodmction. In March of next year 2oo;ooo more will come into production.

(2) Fo~~ hundred horsepower.

(3) The question really does not arise because the power ffir-om the plant at Duff's near Seal Cove near Holyrood will be fed into the grid, . and will lose its identity will not be Seal Cove power, it wi.ll be just power, a!l part of the ~trid recieving power from Bay D'Espoir, from that Thermo Plan~ at Duff's and from any other generating source in the Province, all the power is; ·fed into the r,rid, and out of that grid power is sold.

And this particular ~ower is not sold to any particular customer, it is just delivered into the mower Commissions own · grid, where it loses its identity, it just merged with Oil.ll other pot-Ter. It may· indeed run light into homes in Corner Brook, or it may lf~ht homes down in Hawkes Bay, or run the big mill in Hawkes Bay later this ye:m•r or it might light this building because the power flows every direction n·n every way once it is fed into the grid. MR. C. \-TELLS: A supplementary questiom,. Hr. Premier, if the Premier will allow. MR.

SHft~Ll~OOD: Providing the hon. gentll.letnan will allow me to put on my dark glasses - HR. WELLS: The question is who is it :anticipated will purchase, I realize the power loses its identity, you do not id.emtify power from Bay D' Espoir or Holyrood or wherever, but who is it anticipated w~~l purchase an additional 400,000 horsepo'I-Ter which is approximately two-tli.Jr:'i ds of the total output of Bay D'Espoir, I believe? \~ho is going to pu.mchase that much additional power, wherever it is generated?

\ '. MR. SHALLWOOD: !hat requires too lo~ an answer, at this stage of the House's proceedings, and I intend to deal verp ~horour,hly with that question in my Speech on the Address and Reply. Verr ~horoughly indeed. Question No. 113 in the name or ttme hon. the member( the irascible member) for St. John's East Extern. Has any sttwrly been performed or authorized to ascertain the possibility of pollution m~ Conception Bay, due to the thermal,! think, this is a misprint , thermal, tn~o power plant presently beinR erected at I assume Duff's at Seal Cove?

The amswer is "yes", it has been performed, not merely authorized, hut it has beern performed by the Newfoundland and Labrador Power Commission in close colllnboration with the Governnent of Canada through its various agencies particulaDily the Department of Fisheries of Canada, which of course, since the event of Pllacentia Bay last year has now in its possession much more information and knmwledge and more skill on which to call than it had at that time, and to the hC$t of my knowledRe, and belief, we need fear no pollution in Conception Bay du~ Xo the operation of this new thermo power plant at Seal Cove.

t MR. NOEL: It has been rumoured that this Thermo Plant is going to raise the temperature of the bays so that it will be more pleasant for swimming. Is there any truth in that at all? MR. SMALLWOOD: No. This is purely experimental. If this works in Conception Bay we are going to put one down at Flower's Cove to see what we can do about altering the climate of the whole Province •• If we can melt the icebergs before_ they reach here Mr. Speaker, it will be a great boom, and there will be great competition among hon. members to represent St. Barbe North in this House. RON. J. R.

CHALKER (:·!inister of Public Works): I wish to table several questions, or answers, pardon me. The first one Number 4 on the Order Paper of February 23, asked by the hon. member for St. John's Center and directed to the Ron. }linister of Highwa)S, and redirected it to my department. It is rather a lengthy one. - Question 63 on the Order Paper of February 25, asked by the hon. member for St. John's 1-?est. And Question number 79 on the Order Paper of Februarv 26, asked by the hon. member for Gander. I think Mr.

Speaker, that the Quest'ons on today's Order Paper - Question 99 asked by the hon. member for Bonavista North. I would suggest he that-'tredirect his question to the Ron. Minister of Social Service and Rehabili- tation. AN RON. MEMBER: Has been redirected ~~thout reputting the question? MR. CHALKER: I presume it can. HON, ERIC N. DAWE (}linister of Municipal Affairs): Mr. Speaker, in answer to Question No. 97 on ThursdGy's Order Paper and asked by the hon. member for Bonavista North. Question No. 97.

(1) The answer is ves.

(2) The answer is yes.

(3) The 13.of November, 1968. RCN. L. R. CURTIS (Hinister of Justice): ~r. Speaker, in~ans~er to Question No. •. 101, The answer is

(1) The Act was proclaimed in 1969. The answer to the third part

(3) No claims have been yet made to my knowledge, And the answer to the seccnd part

(2) There has been no need therefore to name the !oard. MR. CROSBIE: Hr. Speaker, does the Hon. Minister mean no Board has yet been appointed? -And there has not been any nee,! to . yet? , .

.... .,.l • ,, .. -o- - ORDF.RS OF THE DAY RON. E. S. JO~ES (Minister of Finance): ~r. Speaker, could I have some answers to questions? Question to answer N~. (49) on the Order Paner of February 23, asked by the hon. member for Bonavista Nofth; The answer is rather lengthy Mr. Speaker. I prefer to table the answer ~o Part

(1) The answer to Part (2) is still in the process of being compiled. The answer to No.(53) asked by the hon. member for Bonavista North of the Minister of Justice has been referred to the Minister of Finance for renly. The number of retired Newfoundland Constabulary personnel who are receiying pensions of amounts within the following brackets; less than $50- none: (

b) S50 to $74.99 - $9: (c) $75 to $99.99 -$21: (d) $100 to $124.99 - $8; (e)$125 to $149.99 - $7; {f) $150 to S174.99 - $31: (g) $175 to $199.99 -$19; (h) $200 to $224.99 - $15; (i) $225 to $249.99 - $13: (j) $250 per month and over - $29, The number of widows of the Newfoundland Constabulary (retired) are receiving a~ounts within each of the brackets in the above question less than $50 (one) $100 to $124.99 (one). How many orphans of Constabulary personnel are in receipt of pensions and what is the average amount thereof? (none). The ansver to question No. 116 on the Order Paper of today asked by the Hen. the member for St. John's East Extern. (

l) What was the unit cost of despatch cases purchased by Government for Cabinet Ministers? $48.01.

(2) How many such despatch cases were purchased? - 19. And the answer to Question 115 asked by the hon. member for St. John's East Extern: This information is r.ot available in the Department of Finance and I suggest that the question be referred to the Hon. Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing. MR. CROSBIE: Mr. Speaker, could I ask a verbal question of the Ron. th~ Minister of Fisheries? Has the Ron. the ~!inister taken u~ the question of the prohibition of seal taking by landsmen in Notre Dame Bay, Green Bay, with the Government of Canada, and if so has he any official answer to give the House? HON.

AlDEN MALONEY(Hinister of Fisheries): No, I did not know-. Mr. Speaker, I have made representation to the Minister of Fisheries at Ottawa. I have been in touch with him today, and on a number. of occasions. The Minister bas said:: that he intended to permit the killing of seals of the 1969 class and older. There are some implications - these _are; heine; stud1 ed by 'his o"ff:icials today·~ and

when there is a further announcemen~ to be made, I vill make it. MR. SPEAKER: The ad1ourned debate on the Address in Reply: MR. BURGESS: Mr. Speaker, I do not believe I have too much time left of m~ ninety minutes, and for the short period of time remaining, and the context of what I said to this hon. House last night - I would just try to emohasize some of the points and some of the ~roblems which I tried to illustrate to this bon. House last evening. When I was making remarks Mr.

Speaker, relative to the south coast of Labrador and the northern coast of Labrador, I stressed the urgent need for communications for government influence for roads and so on. Emohasis I feel should positively be laid on the matter of creating or finding jobs for the pepple along the coast. Now this was rather dramatically made clear to myself during one such tour which I made of the northern coast and the southern coast, wherein I announced to the communities which I intended to visit that I would be arriving on such and such a time.

And that I was anxious to hold publid meetings in order to discuss the problems of the various communities • .. ~..._ . ~ And the dramatic illustration which I received Mr. Speaker; was in that quite a number of the communities I held public meetings in the mornings at ten o'clock, at eleven o'clock, =d so-...etirr.~s in the afternoon. And \Jhat really - the one thing that occurred to me was that in most of these communities .. ' .. . practically every able-bodied man in these communities was in a position to attend these public meetings.

And when I inquired as to how they could attend in fact when normally they should be working, I was told that they did not have the jobs. Now there are various - in listening to the people elaborate on their problems - in some of these communities they pointed out where with the help, with relatively small government subsidization, with relatively small grants from government - how small local industries could be established. And this is in line Mr.

Speaker, -with wbat the hon. member for Carbonear was talking about yesterday in the promotion of the smaller industries~ And with relatively small grants from ~overnment I am sure that the life and dignity of the people in these communities could be (Mr. Speaker, I am laughing - the hon. Speaker just nodded to me because he was te1H.:ng me in the lobby today that at some point · speak 1\e·· is going to tell me that I have t.D ·:-o: from - my position in the Holise-• and ~{Lf

t since I am used to rambling all over the place, I hope the bon. ~r. Speak~r~- .- will forgive 111e). Now I feel that this has to be done in these coast .al eoi!DIIunities. That the closer attention, and particularly closer attention from the members who represent the districts of Labrador South and Labrador North - because it is incqnceivable to me in that the problems that the people recount, or which they relate to me that ther have not already related to their own members. And if so, if they have related them to their own members, why has it not been brought out in this hon.

House which is a forum for ~71,n~n·g·ciut:c:"' _ ... -. _. .. ,\ :>·4'' f r • ~ .,..,. the problems of the Province? And I am quite sure the bon. meinb"ers have t:old · \ ... . . :,:_; j me that they have tried on behalf of the people whom thev represent to·-.r·esolve / ":: ., . .,~~ some of these problems, but it is obvious - there is no doubt that they-do ·e_ey-• .. . - -~ · ._ . But it is obvious that they have not tried, or have not been successful in their effort.s.

And as I say, this is the place - this is the forlllll where if you ,. are not successful, at least t .he problems can be brought out, discussed and analyzed • .. j'.

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"" .. -~ Now, in the south - in Labrador South and Labrador North, also, Mr. _ Speaker, I would welcome strong investigation or strong representation from the Department of Mines, Agriculture and Resources as to the feasibility of developing the presently known resources ~hat exist in these - in Labrador South and Labrador North and mainly, Mr~ Speaker, I am referring to the resources, the timber resources and wherein I say that the other night in speaking to the amendment , to ::he Throne : Speech, that there are millions of sq. acres of timber in Labrador South and Labrador North and for who~= the cutting rights belong to companies contr~lled or owned by Mr.

John C. Doyle and Mr. John Shaheen. · · ~ -.. And they have been in control of these cutting rights for a considerable period of time and yet, no development ha s been undertaken as of yet. _. And I think that the strongest kind of representation should come from the Departr.~ent of Mines, Agriculture and Res:~mrces to see that something is done in the interim in order to provide jobs Gnd a futuue for the people in the - in Labrador South and Labrador North. Now, Mr.

Speaker, in my last two s~ eeches in the addressing reply, I have brought up the matter of the Labrad o r road - the proposed road link between Godse Bay and Churchill Falls. Now, I emphasize the fact, Sir, in my last speech, in that the Government in the last years, fiscal es c imates, they -when it was stated that over $2.5 million had been expended by this Government for the pnrpose of constructing this road and then, for £easons best known to the Government, last year there was no construction car r ied out on this road. Now, having spent this amonnt of rn~• !ley of over $2 million and having a

section of this road· uncompleted, a r:;.:;ther .large ·.section - I think it is somewhere in the region of fifty, sixty ~ or seventy miles - in the middle. The have started - they have constructed quite a considerable amount of miles from Churchill Falls towards Goose and from Goose towards Churchill, but in the middle, there is quite a large

section still to be built. Now, it is obvious to anybody, an~ I am sure that this can be verified by pnactically anybody who has any kno•rledge about constructural work at all -, that since no work has been done .O<Cl this m~ddle

section of road, for ~S6

February 27, 1970 Tape 127 Page 2 GC . the period of the last year, and since it does not seem very likely that any construction ~ill be done on it this year, ~ith the monetary restraint we are - that the Province has been asked to make. It is obvious that when the time comes to complete this rmad, that is ~hat is going to hav~~to be done is that the two sections that ~escntly exist, ~ill have to be completely redone and rP.built. So, Sir, I respectfully submit to •this House that the $2.5 million that has already been expended has~ been moruey wasted. And I would like to hear some explanation in this hon.

House during this session as to ~hat the intentions of this Government are in reiative to this road. And also, Mr.

Speaker, ~hen I am ~;alking of roads, I ~ould also like to respactfully request of Government that something be done in my district of Labrador West relevant to eee~ing the bus roads - ~e only have three and a half miles of Government r~ad bet~eern 'Wabush and Labrador City that ~as paid for by Government and we did have ~romises that the bus roads which allow people tn the sumcer. to go fish~g or to go into the woods or the proposed::llrovincial Park site ~hich has . ·been developed by the companies, these roads in the summer and in the fa·11, due to the heavy rainfall that we have. they are unpassable.

You just . cannot utilize these roads at all with an automobile and I respectfully request of this Government that they live up to their promise ~hich ~as made at the opening of Wabush Mines - the official opening that these roads ~auld be kept open. Now, I have stated, Mr. Speaker, j\~nst - also in my district'is the fantastic ·.construction site of Churchilil Falls. Now, ChurchiLl Falls, Mr.

Speaker, I am told that by June of this year, the work force ~ill peak off at aocewhere be~een 6000 and 7000 men" !1ow, I ~ant to;like to-have it ma&.e clear that I expect, and I do not see why the rest of the people of Labr~dor should not expect, that a goodly number of the jobs that ~ill be create~ or that will be there this year should be built by a~oodly number of tlhe people uho are living in the coastal communities and who are presen 'tly unemployed. And I vould like to re-emphasize ~hat, that Churchill Falls Corporation has a responsibility. It 'has a respon~ .~bility to t,his Province and whe~ you · ~r1

February 27, 1970 Tape 127 Page 3 GC talk about responsibility to this Province, you are talking about the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador. And I feel that this hen. House and every member of this hen. House would support me in the design that a great number of jobs that will be available this year, should be filled by people who arc presently unemployed on the coast.

Now, Sir, I recognize the fact as any logical thinking person would, that some of the requests I am ~~king ~f Government, both Federal and Provincial, in terms of communications. live television, the building of roads, decent air services and so on a!illd so forth - I am •n~arc that changes and benefits and conditions are not developed and built overnight. Now, Labrador has the resources and I think nobody but can admit that. It has untapped resources.

It has unknown resources and all that is needed­ all that is needed to develop this sect~un of the Province which is so vitally necessary to the welfare and future of t:::Jbis Province r·· All·that is necessary is the manpower to develoo and to be in a position to attract and retain confident people who will develop the resources that are there. Now, to do this, in this day and ~~e, some kind of incentive has to be given to people to attract them - to dra•; them away from the environment vhich they know best, which is their ba:mes - from the communities which they know best, where they were born.

Some ~ind of incentives have to be given to attract the confident people - to a~tract and retain the confident people that are so vitally necessary for the ~~velopment of the north. And in the interim period until s~~h times as the facilities and services that are taken for granted in other par~$ of Canada, can be provided in the north in the interim periods -some comcessions, some concessions should be given to the people and when I am talk~ng about concessions, I refer once again back to what I said last night im that taxation measures should be eased.

They should be possibly - consider-ation should be given possibly to larger basic exemptions for people who· ~o north and develop. Even in Russia - even in Communist Russia, when people =rk above a certain parallel - when they work above 1they receive from the Government; they receive at least eighty percent more in salary.

February 27, 1970 Tape 127 Page 4 GC.- Now, some incentives have to be given to attract people to the Korth and I am talking about larger basi£ exemptions and larger personal tax deductions. And until such times ~ this happens, the private sector of our society who do go in to develop. ~uch as the iron ore companies, they are going to be always faced with a tramsient type attitude work force. The people who come in just possibly with ~ intention of staying, but after they are effected by the isolation, the~ are effected by not having the services and they do not stay for any g'mea·t periods of, time.

They leave and the turnover in tha~ork force is bound to effect the industry that is developing or trying tru develop the North. So some Government has to inject f!Os influence because I kno~o~ and I have lived in the community of Labrador ~ity for . the past eleven years, and I know that the people there in Labrr:a·dor City - Wabush, they feel a respons"ibili ty, not to this Government.

They feel a responsibility only to the companies who employ them and wh~~ is more important, the companies who ·are providing the facilities that ~rmally are provided by Government and the people do not feel a responsibility towards the Government. They feel a responsibility towards their empJ:!.<Dyer.

And I think this is wrong, because somewhere along the line the Government has to get between the people and their employer and in Goose Bay, the Government somewhere along the line has to get between the people and the American Air Force, because the who:l1.e economy of Goose Bay is dependent upon whether the American Air Force Base is established and remains established in Goose Bay. And we all know what can ;happen with the Armed Forces of the United States. It was vividly illustra~d to this Province in Argentia not aany days ago.

And I do not see - the thing that ~curs to me and a thing that occurred to a lot of people is that it seems to ~e that this administration is working in a type of - in a king of an ad hoc waw, in that it waits for problems to develop and then they tackle it, instead of taking preventive measures. Now, Sir, also in the context of ~t I said last night, I think I have said enough about Labrador. I think eve.~body is aware of the fact I do not 5$1

st~d by virtue of what I am doing and by virtue of the fact that I am . . sitting here ~ alone and not ~s I am with either the official Opposition or the independeet Liberals. I do not stand to gain anything out of this. I am not going to be the Premie -r of the Province. MR. SMALLHOOD: Does the hon. gentleman not remember what Abraham Lincoln said? "One m.an and God make a majority". And I am sure the hon. gentleman feels that is the way - that is his present position. MR. BURGESS: Mr. Speaker, our values in this life are different. Some men aspire for - to beco~ millionaires, Some men aspire to be Premiers.

I guess I just decided to be a representative. MR. S~~Lh~OD: Some just liberators? MR. BURGESS: But in the context of what I said last night, Mr. Speaker, . ! was perfectly aware of the fact that at stages during my address, the hon. the Premier became - ofcourse, the hon. the Premier is a perfect - I feel that if he were to lose his position tomorrow, that Hollywood would gain, because I think that we have about the best, the best, one of the best, and a genuine, sincere actor.

But, lie became pretty - I felt that he became pretty annoyed with me during my address last night, and I will always remember something which hi!! said to me when I was on that side of the House and we were apparently good friends, and I can remember him telling me that in the game of politics there is no ·:time to be malicious and there is no time for hating people. Last night I got a few flashes -- MR. SMALLWOOD: I wish everyone would remember that. It would save a lot of time. MR.

BURGESS: I got a few flashes last night and I got a few looks which I felt,ordinarily, I believe you could compare them to the double whammy in 'Li'l Abner', and I sincerely hope that there was no maliciousness because I do not necessarily admire the fact that I have to stand here today and indite the present administration relative to their attitude towards the district which I represent, because I am genuinely and sincerely presenting the way the people whom - I represent, feel. I do not necessarily admire tha fact that I have to stand up in this bon.

House and indite the administration and I do not think that there is anybody - even the hon. independent Liberals 1-rho left the Cabinet ---

· : .. 1 • • t, 1-ffi. T.BURGESS: ~ecessarily <Jdmire the . fact that 1 have _to litand u~ in .this, bon, House and indict the administration, and I do not think that there is anybody even the han. the independen~ liberals who left the Cabinet - I do not think that any one of them on this s~e of the House will but admit the contribution, the han. the Premier <Jslked me last night did I know of anybody _ who has worked harder for the Province?

Do I know of anybody who has worked harder to get jobs, and well honestly .there is no way you can come up vith anybody who has worked harder, there :ii:s no ~•ay - but I feel that the han. the Premier, and I say this l-lith all respect Hr. Speaker, and with all respect to the hen. the Premier.

I feel that the contribution that has been made has been tremendous, but at this stage the contribution - we are on the point of over-contributing and I ft!el that if tJhe han. the Premier and quite rightfully so can be named the greatest T.lan in Ne,-.<foundland - that t:ewfoundland has ever produced, but if he continues in the siilme vein, as t~e are witnessing in the Province this last year I am afraid th~t - that reputation will uot be his on the day that he is no longer Leader of :this administration. And I say that with all the respect in the world to the hom. the Premier.

I think that the tir.Je has cor.Je when younger minds and younger people should be allm.Ied to vic for the oppol'ltuni ty of running the Province. Thank you very much }fr. Speaker. HON. G.A. FRECKER (Hi n lster of Provincio<:l Affairs): Hr. Speaker, before I start the body of my address in reply~ I should like to call the attention of this han. House to the February issue rof the Atlantic Advocate published in New Brunswick.

We heard last night, mnd we heard again today not a diatribe exactly, but a very dismal picture of li.abrador, and anything good in Labrador is owing not to Newfoundland but to th~ Iron Ore Co~pany of Canada and to the Wabush Iron Ore Company - and yet I ha~ve been up in Labrador Hr. Speaker many times, I have two daughters living up tthere - I hav~ three grand-children up there, and if I were younger - if I wc.!I'e the same age as the han. member who do"n just sat;! would not mind going there ~nd living there myself. I get a bit tired of hearing weople speak of this isolation problem.

You know isolation is a matter of the md.nd. You have thousands of people in Hewfoundland who are far, far more iso.llated than the people in Labrador City, the people of Goose i.iay, the people of l-lorth River, the people of l~abush. Let us admit it quite frankly that there a'IL'c people in Labrad?r ,.Sp1-Jth and Labrador_ North who are perhaps as isol.J.ted as Cl~e people on some parts of out south - west coast. nut isolation is a matte :li: ()f the mind - _ev~n in some of the most ':)'I

: . ;. .. ,.,._, l "! ~') .. isolated parts of Newfoundl<md or Labrado.r if there is normal living conditions -insofar as · toe home- is- -concerned - t he geoo;raphic i s olation is mor-e a 111atter of the mind than it is of actuality. There are peopl e in St. John's Hr. Speaker, who are terribly isolated insofar as being able to use motor cars, hear insofar as being able to travel, but ue nev~r;of St. John's being isolated.

Now let us admit it quite frankly that there are people all over Newfoundland - •all over Labrador ~IUJ are very poor and who are seperated from the good things of this life - but ~hat is not entirely the blame of any particular administration - this o~ or any other administration. You have places in Russia, you hav e places in ~:orway, you have places ever ywhere in the world that are isolated when people . go to live in the sticks sure, who go to live in particular areas for particm:iar reasons and who find themselves isolated. Uow this paper carries a fe>ature

article on Labrador City - why? Because next month Labrador City is moing to be the scat of the first Atlantic Provinces National Alpine Ski C1ampimnships - and in referring to this I marvelous sports event that is going · ,to take place - we read the following - there are pages and pages here Hr. SiJ'eaker, on Labr a dor - not in the same vein at all as we have just heard from ourr hon. member from Labrador west.

Quote " with the arrival of :the National Ski Team on Harch 16th. and the concurrent hoopla - there will e:\1-"en be a Bavarian band next winter carnival, curling bonspicls, snoWI:>obli.le races, and a multitude of other events" This is in isolated Labrador. Labra&or City will be exposed - that is people will get to know what is there, not fTom the hon.me~ber though, but from a paper published in another Province. Labrador City will be exposed - what will be exposed there? Those on the outs£rle will take a second look. They will learn that it is only two hours flyi~-g ti;ne from 1-lontreal, four hours from here.

They will see the range of mowntains which are not particularly high - around 3,000 feet - yet . pleasantly va:.·ried in terrain. They will see too, unpolluted lakes "1hich nestle in the· l\rollows and space unlimited, and they will quickly find out - and they will quiclk l y find out Mr.

Speaker that facilities in Labrador City and Wabush cater for ,every wis!1, Hockey, swimming, canoeing, snowmobiling, curling, gymnastics, b~minton, basket-ball, figure skating, soccer, ericket, Canadian football, gm~f. skeet-shooting, fishing, hunting, volley, scuba-diving, you name it and, ithe have it. k'< HOK. :lli111:JER: Political oratory HR. FRECKER: Then there are schools.: . Such modern schools, churches, shoppin ·g centres, apartments, priv.ate hou9es _ w:i.:!:b extrt! lf. ~ly lou c:ortga ·ges for the homes . . 1 ,, . are heavily subshtized by the mining <t:iolnpt.nies.

Lib·r·aries, recreation centr ·es, S_ · ~

\' -i..:;. ·- :: - .' ; ~ -- : I more but that is the vein- that is the tone of the whole article. Y-et w-e have· our own representative coming in denigrating Labrador. I object to it. MR. T, BL"RGESS: Would the hon. member permit ce t!R. FRECKER: Certainly ~IR. BURGESS: Those facilities which you have just described MR. S~Lt...LLHOOD: The hon. gentle~an just described t!R.

BURGESS: This hon. gentleman - I am sorry - I beg your pardon. that the bon. gentleman has just described - they were,all of these facilities were provided by the cor.~pany, •.vhen I was tal.ik.ing today I was referring to Labrador south - and i~ the hon. member was in the Chamber last night to listen to \vhat he tems to be a diatribe - he uould ha.~ heard me say that I consider that when you are talking about philosophy - "Ylhen you talk about Labrador west and the rest of Labrador it is t\vo differentt: things - and I would also . like to ask - the hon. cember of he lived there during the strike situation last year when we did not have supplies for a period of nine to ten weeks, and then the hon. member says that isolation is a state of mind? !-lr.

Speaker. Some ' state of mind HR. FRI:CKER: If I may :-Ir. Spe~ker, wi!tihout getting into altercations, I would say that if I were living in St. John's ;<Uld I had a similar strike on my hands I Hould feel exactly the same as I "·oulcf: feel if I ~;ere living in Labrador West. Now another thing I would like tt:o mention before I get into the body of my address Mr.

Speaker, if I may - is' that wi1en I got home last night around 11:30, the hon. member for St. }!ary' s te.1tcphoned me, and he said "did you see a column tonight, " I will uot mention t:'he persons name as he is a famous colwnnist in our midst in Newfou."ldland fue said " you and I have been referred to as elders of the Presbyterian Church'" well you know I rather take that as a compliment Hr.

Speaker, I have the highe-..st respect for the Presbyterians, and I do not know if I have any Presbyterian t1:Ccood in my veins, but I certainly have plenty of Methodist blood in my veins - ~nd a good deal of Angligan blood in my veins, so the blend is there. MR. S}!ALLh'OOD: The hon. gentleman is lw.ill.f Wesleyian MR. FRECKER: I am, I am one third Rocam Catholic, one third Uethodist and one third Angligan, but my faith is Catholic- Now Mr. Speaker, in some respec:tls the present session has gotten off with -plenty of fire-tmrks and a bang. -.

Im my eleven years as· a member of this;.Housel I do not recall anything like tile fanaticr: activity of the first week of this: session. Even on the very .first day whem th-e Throne Speech vJa·s delivered an-.··

··r .... ,., , •. "L;: • : ' •• -::~' unprecedented number of notices askin3 leave to.:introduce Bills: tre'!:e given, The second witnessed as much busir~ess being put through as would have been normal f" hav!:' iwd ni"ht :;ittin~s - o!l.ic-h h.1ve allc•;-:ed mue;h rr.ore tirr.e ~.,..- del>atl' til-~ was possible 1,rhen the House sat for o!d.y three hours each day. In turn, this has result.;d in a nureber of debates gof.a:~ on simult<:neou5ly s.::. taat at ti...cs I h:tve wondered if some n•embers were r:O't: making tt;o or thre~ addt:esscs o :•. reply.

Of course, bon. l'<~mbers who hav;e a particular ur.ge to be heard in variol!s causes dear to their hearts, i1av.e taken full adva.ntage of the opportunitie offered by the resolutions '•PP•'<lrinl\ on ltlw agenda paiJer. As much a;; I t:.'o~ld like to have <l f-",·1 t.:.V~niq;:~ free for othlter r · cs!~O;tt-;ibilities, . I co:1sole cyself Mr.

Si'e~k'.!r, IJi '.:h the thought tha~ ,,rer.:! !!.t net fo:· the nL;ht sitting::;, the deliberated u,'on <!ul'inr, Lhi" :oE"ssion, mi._~1,t Y~"l.·:; 1•ell hri-:1g us to th<' end c-f th" calendc>r year before ''e couiJ !'OJ'•"! for a le;o.itb.atc «cl.joPnmc>nt c-f" the sess~_on. proce~ding5 of a P~rli~me-:1t in se;sion 1is ~r tim~, at·least to-m~, a little awesor.1e c>nd U<h~S tend tn n;:!::c one a !itt~-" he-.iLmt less unwitt~ngly one sh~u:d offend ;:).~;.::in.; t tl:e rule'~ esp::-c {aEy ;:i thl 1';:-o:--..icr S:;-allvcc>Ll in the rocm. you, and ti:e ll·:puty Sp ;.,J,-e,:, C'n t!1~ fir.r•. '"'"'-i' in lild.ch yvlt have sc fa.- h:•:u able to guide the r-ro.:cedi;·,:;s of this rat!:e:- tt.urbulent ses~;i,.n, I sincerely i;,,~.:; that all hon. r.:err.;.,c:::-;; on botil sidt:s of tll<c House will continue to cooper2.te with you in the discharge of your import2!:lt and onerous duties.

From BY .... ~ personal observation, I would say that it:: is dc;ubtful if Canao.la h~s \cithin it's almozt limitless confine a P"'''"n more t.lboruughly versed in Parliamentary rules and regulations - and in t:· .• : ~[leties w£ their application than is the hnn. the Premier. Sometimes hiS very mastell::y of Parliamentary procedure may be I not only :rustratir.~, Lut <:::<a:>pc:·atin:; tc:D r!H! hou. men:bcr:; on the ether sici!! of .I the House. I 1,.ould ;co ;:;o far as to say ~.;,r.

Spe:~ker, th<lt the Premier's n<:.stcry of the rules of Parliaa:ent and of the tr~.d~tions of the House, has beea of inesti..:J.tr<:~ble value al ~hou;:;h ~·t times - !'uu kuo;;, 't"e do Get anncoyed. EUe'l if at tir::es it \-'"Ju}cl ~'.!er.J li.(r: r,l.v<.: hir.1 almost too much control of :the situa~iou. lie IEIV•! all :11.::u·J ~he o.idl savin;; · t'1at knovleol:;e J s po!~c-r:-; :a""l.d . ~ ~£..

- .. :..:..n ... ·' • • • to ~. CROSBIE: HR.

FRECKER: Or pm~er Godd, good Hhen it is realized that for fifteen years our House of Assembly 01as inoperative, and that a whole generation gre\< Uj) inexperienced in applied politics, and in the functions of a Legislativu Assembly - '!.IC can see how important it was to have in our midst a man who from early childhood has been fascinated, literally fascinated and obsessed with politics and has mastered it's arts, and the knowledge required .to assume the respon:::ibility of Pren.ier, when, in the course of time he was elected to that high office by his fellow citizens.

Unfortunately, or in some respects fortunately, a whole new generation has grown to young adulthood in the intervening years with little consciousness of the: conditions which we all hope have been left behind forever. The unfortunate aspect of this situation, is, that quite a large proportion of Newfoundland's population can only measure the Provinces situation in terns of our lax as compared to our sister Provinces. There is not the counter­ balancing realization of all the achievements for ~1 hich we have every reason to be grateful.

Our people seem to becoming more and more conscious of the growing provincial debt, and less and less ccns~icus ·of the assets the Provine,:, has to show for this debt.in terms of roads. schools, hospitals, social welfare services, fish plants, new mining industries: and above all, and above all - in terms of a people aroused from near lethargy and discouragement caused by centuries of hardship and setbacks. To complicate matters, Newfoundland is presently caught in the grip of a nation wide tight money situation.

The expectations of our people however, are constantly increasing under the neve;r ceasing exposure to television, and radio and the press to standards of living far removed from a tight money situation. The fact that after twenty-oce years in office the Premier should be the target of an increasing barrage of at:tacks is not surprising though it is regrettable. He who tries to please everybody succeeds in pleasing nobody ultimately. Premier Smallwood has a vision - and he ?as pursued that vision relentlessly.

The fulfillment of his vision depends · on a healthy people - an educated people on a people provided w-i'th. ·adequate -means of edu<:ation - and With opportunities of work through industrial.ization. One of the results ot the unremi _tting efforts of the present administrc~.ticn unJer the leadership of the

\ ' .. Febxuary 27, 1970 0 Tape 128~ Page 6 ~:~b "visiona ry " Smallwood is t hat , He.wfoundland in the space of t"-"Mty-one years h~ s been proj ec t ed from r.he mid-n~etcenth century into th e second half of the twentie t h centu't:y. That story has often bee n reco unted. A Cataloguing of achievements is l1ardly neccss acy~ The evidence is there for all to see. The Speech from the Thron e:., so gra ci ous l y presented by His Honour the Lieut enan t Governor reflects t he continued preoccupation of ou r Governm ent with ?lanning and irnpli r.~~ ting proj ects designed to overcome o:>bstacle s still impeding t he progr ess o f our rrovince initia t ed ;:1,;enty-one years ago. The I'' I

February 27th., 1970 Tape no. 129 Page 1 ~ The Economic Conference forecast in the Speech from the Throne to t4ke place in the near future can prove of great value or it can end in frustrating failure. The Government will endeavor to provide the necessary program to enable concerned segments of our society to share their knowledge and experience, their ideas and reco~endations with one another and with the Government in the cause of our people.

I feel sure that no responsible organization will allow personal dislike and frustration to discourage them from ~zking what ever contributions lies in their po11er in the interest of the future development of the economy of our society. Conferences • . Hr. Speaker, mean an al·~ful lot of >Tork for a great number of people. In many ways confercnces~are frustrating. They make more people realize the nature of the proble~~ confronting them, but they also reveal all too often how difficult the solution of these problems actually is and this realization can be very frustrating indeed.

Before the great Churchill Falls project could be launched ~zny arduous years of reconnaissance of surveys, of analysis had to be ~zde. Without these surveys and studies the waters of the Churchill Falls would have continued to spill over into the abyss unharnessed and unproductive. IJe have a similar problem in trying to harness the potential of our most precious resource, orir people.

Long, painful and what may of~en appear to be untruthful studies, conferences and discussions take place, yet these are absolutely necessary for the systematic planning that ~ill eventually make possible development that could never take place had these preliminary studies not taken place. The field must be plowed and the seedmust be so>Tn and nurtured before the harvest may be gathered. Even should many of the effo~ts of tills generation prove disappointing to us, just no..,, I am convinced, Hr. Sp~aker, that these efforts are justified and that they are necessary.

They are an essential part of the great task of unde~1riting the prosperity and future happiness of our peple. Sometimes I feel . we allow personalities to blur our visi@n. ~ leader with a personality as individualistic, as strong, as wilful aod as single-minded as the Premiers could not fail but irritate, even antagonize people of different temperaments. He antagonizes me sometimes. This he has ~doubtedly done, not once, not twice, not St. '1

February 27th., 1970 Tape no. 129' Page 2 three . times, but many times during t~nty-one years in office. Mr. Speaker, my contention is that this is a natural and an inevitable consequence of being many years in a position of leadership and power. Persons who sincerely come to the conclusion for one reason - or another that they c~n no longer suppo~ the Premier and his policies have a right an~, in my opinion, may in conscience feel bound to oppose his leadership. This is in the nature of things in a democratic society.

What I object to, though your Honour, is tha:it because there is a disagreement, even a serious disagreement, that the ~~pression should be created intentionally or unintentionalLy, that the disagreern~t is based on malfeasanCe or irresponsibility on the part of the Pr~er and that consequently any bon. members who do not agree with such diss~dence are lacking in moral rectitude and courage. This is a type of selof.,qghteousness -;dth which I have no sympathy. I consider it objectionable~ f During the past few years, I haT e at times found the going tough and very frustrating. The fish plant at St.

Bride's burnt down in 1968 ; the ERCO plant problem became a night=rc l.z.;;t year and during the past few ~r:onths we have had two phase do\VOS at Argentia; the Come-by-Chance project is also in the district of Placentia East, uhiclb. I happen to have the honour to represent and all bon. members will agree, I believe, :.that this project has not been free of frustration. The Premier has carried these problems and a hundred others besides. I am sure he has been frustrated as tho-se 'Who want to see him and cannoLsee him because there are not more than twenty-four hours in each day.

He never spares himself, but the demands on his tt.ime by more and more people and more ~d more delegations keeps on increasing. It is frightening, but the tough times, Mr. Speaker, have not changed my ·conviction that Premier Smallwood has one major passion and this passion lis a patriotic one based on his desire to give the people of Ne'Wfoundland and Labrador a fuller and better life based on education, health, conmunicatia 'n and industrialization. His -.dedication to this cause may and probably has at t~s left him open to misinterpretation

v ··~ - ::. ~ 'k i:· ..... .· •• - ,-:_ / February 27th., 1970 Tape no. 129 . • · Page 3 ,.; ; . in the pursuit of his and his administrations bbjectives. He may have made and ~ay still make some serious mistakes for Yhich I as Yell as all mecbers of the Government share responsibility. Nevertheless, your Honour, I believe that certain very important negotiations bearing on the future development of t~s Province and initiated by Premier Smallwood can best be brought to successful conclusion unde.r his leadership.

As long as I am convinced of this and of the Premier's sincerity, I shall endeavor to SUpport him whether I reoain in politics or resign from politics. February 13. 1970, your Honour, will go do~n in the minds of the people of Placentia, Jersey Side, Freshwater, Dunville, Fox Harbour, Ship Harbour and the communities along the Czpe Shore/as black Friday. It was . on that day the dreaded decision was announced, Argentia was to be phased down to a caretaker basis.

The rumors re-enforced by demolition a~d of an ever-growing number of buildings at the Argentia Naval Statinn had created an atmosphere cf .f.:rll ~cJtr.Tj amo~g the civilian personnel at the Naval Station which was unnerving and demoralizing. ~ot many months ago the United States made kno•tn that it would be phasing out .a large number of military bases and through this means it would reduce e>-1'enditures by the immense sum of $3.5 billion. Even then it was impossible to find out definitely the ultimate faith of the Argentia Naval Stz.t:ion.

Hmrever, last year the civilian personnel ~ere reduced by 220 employees and it was understood that further cuts would follow. Even then it was na.t:: possible to find out whether the Naval Sntion was to be phased out or phased down. On Friday, February 13,1970 the results of negotiations which had be:~n taken place for months between Washington and Ottawa, the Argentia Nat~:.al Station 1were finally-made known. The station would not be phased out but~ould be phased dovrn drastically to a caretaker basis. Over 300 Newfoundla~~d civilian employees were to lose their jobs.

The total Newfoundland work force at the station would be reduced to some 200 and the United States personneli to 400 plus their dependents. Before the first lay-off last yea~ .• there were approximately. 800 : Newfoundlanders employed at the Naval S~tion. The whole Argentia area is reeling from the shock, your Honour. K~readful sense of insecurity seems to have a strangle hold on the minds and hma:r.ts of. the p.eople. They': are. dreading,_·,

.. the worst and ursently need reassuring that disastrous consequences will not overtake their families and the~r communities. The phase down is already in process. Nothing could &ive me deeper satisfaction or more happiness than to be in a position ~~ this moment to bring comfort to the . afflicted, to the me~ whose jobs hav.e ceased to exist or whose jobs are in jeopardy.

Althoughc I am not in a pc!)Sition to say just what 'lotill be_- the result of the negotiations which have been going on between the GovernEent of Newfoundland and the Government ~E Canada and between the Government of Canada and the Goverilll!ent of the Unf.lt:ed States. I can say that~a11:1evels of Government concerned are determined that · steps will be taken to reduce to a minimum the consequences of the phasing down of the Argentia Naval Station. A local committee of citizens r-epresentative of the various municipalitie5 the clergy and labour had a meeting v.ith Premier Smallwood and wlth the bon.

Donald Jamieson, our Federal cabinet minister. I attended these meetings as the member for the distrh ,ct. The Premier and I have been and continue to be in close contact with the United States Consul General. The local representatives were assureli by the Premier and by the Hinister of Transp~rt that definite steps wo~d be taken with the least possible delay to study ways and means of offsetti~~ the results of the phase down.

The hon. the ~~nister of TransFort referred to a proposed Canada­ United States Committee, the members co£ \Jhich would collaborate to ensure that the men whose jobs were being ~scontinued would get the maximum consideration and benefits to which ~hey should be entitled. In addition the han. Mr. Jamieson mentioned he w®uld recommend the appointment of a committee of senior Federal officials to work out and submit concrete proposals to the consideration of a Federal subco~ittee of Cabinet, and of the Federal Government.

He undertoali;: to have a Federal Official visit Argentia to discuss various possibil:i!:ties 1o1ith the local coll!l1littee~- Hr. Jamies< felt his government would be prepar~ to assist the local committee defray the cost of the secretarial help \vh:li.ICh would be needed to make its work effec!:i' Since the meeting with the ho~~ Minister of Transport the local representativ2s have held ~eetings amd a formal local committee is now in existt

• • February 27th., 1970 · Tape no. 129 Page 5 Mr. Speaker. Mr. John \-/helan of Jersey Side was elected chair=a and Mr. Thomas o•keefe of Placentia ,..-as e!ected secretary of the colll!:l.ittee. The St·. John Is Branch of the Manpo".Ter Department are in the Argentia area at the present time and is initiating a thorough study of the manpower situati6n. The local co~ittee stressed strongly to have the general Argentia-~lacentia area declared a special area and to have the DREE program applied to it. Mr.

Jamieson undertook to make representation to the Federal Government on behalf of the co=ittee, but could not say what 'lo.•ould be the result of his efforts in this regard for the immediate future. Among the ~re immediate projects discussed with ~!r. Jamieson was the possibility of the Federal Government negotiating with the United States authorities for the use of the air fielq at Argentia as an alternate for that at Torryay. Ano~her matter which was discussed at length was ways and means of improving the use being ~4de of the ferry service between Argentia and North Sydney.

It was felt the traffic on this service could be increased considerably. Mr. Jamieson informed the local committee that he had appointed a special committee to study the ~hole Southwest Coast service. Mr. F.~au Tho~ Chairman of the Brotherhood of Railway, Airlines and Steamship Clarkes and a resident of Freshwater was invited to serve on this committee.

The ~npower Depart~ent was to be asked to give the utmost possible consideration to persons displaced at the Naval Station, when employees were being recruieed for Churchill Falls and Dther projects such as Come-by-Chance, when it gets underway in spite what appears to be an never ending opposition to this late undertaking. The phase do~ has created a ~~st serious situation, not only for the Newfoundlanders whose jobs have disappeared but for the Province as a whole.

Our fellow citizei!I:S 1o1hose jobs at the Argentia Naval Station have been or soon will be disccntinued)urgently need all theeassistance· ·• that they can be given by the Federal G~rnment and the Provincial Government. I shall do all in my power to ensure tha~ what can be done is dome and 'done as quickly as possible. It would be les;.s than fair, Mr. Speaker, were I too fail at this time to say that I have always b~en treated most courteously by the S7/

United States Consul General and the Commanding Officers and their :officials .,-:: at the Naval Station. I feel sure ~at the present Consul General :who is here in the gallery at the presen~ time and the present Commanding Officer are genuinely distressed that circums~ances beyond their control and dictated by the changing strategy re~ired for the international defence system of their country have caused anguish and great pertional ~roub~es to our people.

I believe that the good relati~ which have existed between Newfoundland and the various United S~ates bases situated in our Province have been unsurpassed anywhere in the vorld. ~~en I say that it would be easier for Newfoundland to cope with the situation no~ facing it had the phase down been a\phase out) I want it clearly understood that this is in no way to be taken as a reflection on the United States poli~ies. _ They are doing what they feel circumstances dictate. I am merely stating a fact.

It wolllld be easier for Canada and Newfoundland to cope with the problems now confronting them had the dec~sion been to close dow~ the Station as was done in the case of Fcrrt Pepperrell here in St. John's and Harmon Field at Stephenville. I ~~sh ~o express i~ this House roy personal thanks to United States Consul Generatil, Richard Straus and to Captain McCarthy for their efforts to ease as much as possible a sad and tragic situation not of their creation. There is nothing new, Mr. Speaker, in stating that Newfoundland's basic problem is one of education. T~t this fact needs to be constantly kept in mind.

By education I am not :5peaking simp;J.y in terms _of longer _ years in school but in terms of an education vhich~results in a philosophy of life and habits of work which can ~nsure a type of development and standard of living synchronized with the realities of our economy, actual and potential. Th!s type o~educati~n

This type i:if education is e.!:tremely dif'fi.ct.nll;t to .achieve. In spite of their unceasin~ efforts anQ ~~pressive progress achieved, educators are constantly being faced with yesterday's ~hievemcnts becoming obsolete tomorrow. The technvlogical revolution which is accele~ting ~onth by month, year in, year _ our,is convulsing the whole pattern of the cLwilization of which we!form a microscopic part.

After the Napoleonic l~ars, Denmark ~ras des;\t:itute and I venture to say it would still be destitute had the Danish people of t!:ilrat era been subjected to the - same instantaneous and constant pressares, through1 the ~ss media, that our people ~e experiencing in our day.

Fortunately for the Danish people they l,·f!re able to accept the leadership of men like Bishop Grundvig amd his associates which resulted in the development of a philosophy of economics ~nd a tj~e of socio-economic co-operative organization which literally transofrmed the <eou!ltry from being po~·erty=stricken to being relatively prosperous and which is ~oadly based on the co-operative activities of an educated people. Another example of a country which started ! off with very serious handicaps because of its location is SHitzerland.

The internat:.ional reputation of S~titzerland in financial circles is not an accident but the: :result of a realization on the part of both the authorities and the people that the , ultimate stability of the country depended not so much on emulating the ways ott england, France, Germany and other industrialized countries as on developing a ~ray of life and activities through which Switzerland could develop itslef in te1TI!lS of its ov."'Il people and the natural resources of the country.

If, for exam?le, rune were to take Swiss watches and tourism out of Switzerland the Swiss franc \~uld not represent one of the hardest curriencies in the world today. Switzerland, of course, has industries, very important ones, but behind these there is a ac;elf-slifficient people who owe much to their international reputation as watchma,kers and to tourism broadly understood. Hr. Speaker, we have heard, huddreds of tt:'imes that Newfoundland has among its chief assets its people, its n~tural resourc1es, its strategic location.

Among its natural resources, minerals, forest s , f~sheries, hydro-electttc potential, COIT1lllodious ice-free ports close to the main <ocean routes of the t~orld, come readily to mind. Its strategically located · ·nirports are yet another great potential asset and we should never for;:;et N<.cwfoundland' s touristic potential which, properly developed, can become one oE its important sources of employment and inconc. Our popul~tion is rn::~de up very larr,ely o.ff peo~1lc of English, IT ish F~:ench . :

_ .... -·. _ .. •~ . and Scottish decent with a sprinkling of other nationalities chiefly Europei!!l• - --- - ­ and we also have our:,indigenous people the Eskincs and the Indians, God love : Then. They are the descendants of races which have proven themselves leaders in the modo.rn world. - Our people like our Highty Churchill Falls have Hi thin themselves the potential for great achievement. This potential, Mr. Speaker, can only be harnessed through a sound education adapted to their need and to those _ of the P~ovince,.bearing in mind we are part of Canada and part of the world.

I agree 'With the bon. cember for St. ~lary's that this administration _ had gre_at . achievements to its credit in the field of education. And I feel certain that we are well on the road to continue educational progress. However, }!r. Speaker, we have 'not yet, in my opinion, been able to meet effectively the challenge presented by an educational force not yet fully understood but which tends to be mightier than its additional services put together, I am referring to the modern mass media and in particular to television the radio and the press in its ~any forms.

There was a time , when, with state a~~ and supervision the home the church and the school moulded the characters of the C(lcoming generations this is no longer the_ case to anything like the same de~ree.

Children from the age of one, are being moulded and educated to a much greater extent than is realized and for good or for ill to the mass media which come1.into practically every home, hours on end, day after day, throughout our lives from the cradle to the grave, and in a most pervasive and persuasive way forming the minds not only of the children but of their ~arents as well, and forming our minds too whether we like or not.

The lessons that the mass media teach are in all too many cases in conflict with the principles traditionally inculcated into the hearrs and minds of the younger generation by home church and school. The patterns of living absorbed by our children and by our adults may be modern,but, in all too many instances they are not based on :-let;foundland' s ·social e£:onor.lic and cultural need, but rather quite the contrary.

Furthercore, no matter what proportion of its total budeet Newfoundland decided to spend on education it is doubtful if the Government, the home the churches and the schools co~d counter effectively as matters stand 1 the tremendous influence 'Wielded by the television screen the radio and the periodic and daily press, If this fact, 1·lr.

Speaker,- t..•ere sufficiently recog;nized there would be less misunderstandinr,, fault-Hndin~ C)nd recriminatiQn among those · ~·h;a· in their respective ways bend in titeir cffor~s to 1:10-re ~stahlished and tradi _topnal means to1~:1rd improvin~: the educational opporomi tics offered our children and-·::tdu:J. ts.

In other v.•ords, I believe our ability ;:md our potvcr to develop effective pror,rQms of education based on Newfoundland's particular needs have been SC'dously h:mdic,are .ed because we have not been able to make more ~ynamjc and purposeful t:sc of means of eduaation which are very much used !Jy forces not Jirectly connected or concerned '-'ith educational objectives as 1~e visualize it.

He can of course continue to make very real pro1;ress to improving the quality of our teachers and by continuously modernizing our traditional educational services to meet the needs of our changing t :imes and conditions. ll.s a matter of fact this is essential for survival. L<eufo-a~mdland is part of Canada and part of the World and our people must feel at home :fun that vorld wherever they t:l::ty go to earn their living.

But our education::tl prog.Jress ,,•ill be seriously h::tndicapped unless an all-out effort is made to nake ful.].. use of the net~ dynamic and t..•ell- nigh all powerful ncans of co=unication t<h:i.cr:h are available to education as they are available to others, t·.'ho, all too often IDse them for less ,,•or thy pucposes. The point I am ma1dnr, is, that om: chances o,if developing Ne1.·foundland 's human and material resources to the optimu~ are s~iously effected and co~plicated by fO'rces alien to our people's ultimate int(e-!"est.

Th!se forces arc nevertheless constantly being brought to bear on the errot~ons and minds of our people from the cradle to the grave. The type of development \Jhich \~ould ultit:1 ;n:tcly do for Newfonndlnnd t·:hat Denmark and Switzerland had done for their rreople depends for success on long- range policy. Unfortunately our rapidly cumngin~ world makes it extre~ely difficult to implement such polic,ies.

I am, ~referring to policies having to do with such matters as reforestation, improvimg the efficiency and social economic conditions of our fishemen,the successful =stocking of our lakes and ponds, the reclamation arid utilization of our millfuons of acres or rec~aimable bog lands, the ~enuine development of our touris jt tesources including expert human services for our visitors that is ;entering hn its varolous forms.

The education and training of large numbers of good teacheJrs, nurses, social workers, clergymen . doctors, engineers, scientists, lavryers, efE~cient tradesmen, foremen, managerial personnel etc. to staffand manage existing amd future services and industries. I In the face of the attractions offered byr 1~ore populous .atid developed centres such as }font real and Toronto, Boston and New.· York the implementation of such policies is constantly in jeopardy.

He -tend! to train for export, and becaus~ .. we lack cert<lin essentials He are, to a r;reateir extent than t~ould othen~ise be the case at the ~~rcy of outside entrc;Jencurs :rmd induc;trial i.sts uho are, perhaps .

.c ... . • r naturally, likely to be more interested in 1~hat they can get out of- Newfoundland-- than in what they can give to NeHfoundland. nut, }fr. Speaker, what is the alternative, the alternative danger Mr. Speaker is stagnation ~nd despair. I have great faith in the noucr and :Influence of a dJmamic university extension progra~e and in adult education in r,eneral. Included in our r,eneral adult education prograt1L"Tle I would include the ~1ork beinr, Clone not only by the Uniyersity and the !lepartment of Education but also, (this nay surprise you, Mr.

Spcal~cr) the work being done by the Department of Coomunity & Social Development ; the Department of Health; the Department of ~1unicipal Affairs; the Department of Social Assistance & Rehabilitation; the Department of Hines, Agriculture· & Resources; the Dcpo:rtment of Labour; the Department of Economic Development; the Department of Fisheries; the Department of Justice; the Department of Hi~hwars; the Department of Labracor Affairs; the Department of Finance evcn,,and the Department of Provincial Affairs I would consider all departments and agencies as instruments of education as well as of service.

Of course much depends on one's concept of one's job. Practically all governt:Jent departments can make an educational contribution which over the years prope::ly used can have a very important influence on our people's philosophy of life and a sense of social responsibility. One of my reco~endations for the 70'~ would be l!r. Speaker that t)ur government departments be urged to take full cognizance of that potential influence as genuine educatorR of our people. The amount of informal adult education can take place in hundreds of 1vays is really tremendous. The problem is to harness the potential intelligently.

Another recommendation is that 1;e give fa.r more attention than ue have in the past, to the aggressive implementation of conservation policies, For exa~ple, why could not the ilepartment of ~ducation, the Department of ~ines Lgriculture & :Resources, and the pulp and paper companies p,et to~ether for a gre:!t ten year reforestation pTPgramrne. Just take one example, a properly organized Arbor Day could be used not only to m<:~kc our children <ma:-e of the value of our forests and of the need for conserving them. Arbor Day each year could also be used to the planting of literally hundreds of thousands of tree.s.

Over a period of ten years this would be a very significant pror,r.:tmme. He have had such days in the past }lr. Speaker, back in «:onunission day.s, hut they were desultory efforts. The educational possibilities of such a procramme cannot be overemphasized and have been used to good effect in other prov:i,nccs and other countries. Sone years ago we passed a Bill concernin~ a .progr:mme for r(!stocking our ponds and la~ces. The pt·o~ra;n::>e has been r.:ore o-r less d" r.n:mt pr,obably for good rens~nl;.

\'. . t I vould suggest that r:he possibilities here are not to be undcrcsti~ted. hf;ai:1 at would not be a mottcr only of ensuring the continuance of a very wholesome recr eational activity for thousands of people both fro:n Newfoundland and from outsi de Newfoundland, but it could also serve as an instrument of erlucation for conservation . Beautification of ot!r hi:;hways is another activity t hsr: can·'have ·a very i mportant influence ou the attirudc of our people tO~!ards nature. llhen I attended the late Hr.

Robert Hint ers! funeral I travelled from Halifa.x to Lunenburg with the Minister of Finance of Nova Scotia. Along the ~ay I observed f hat large sections of the highway haJ had the bare slopes on either side very hicely grassed over. I mentioned this to ·- - ·- S? .

to my companion, he i=ediately became more than cas_ually interested. Because apparently ~ova Scotia has made a special effort in this direction. He suggested that I might contact Dr. A. E. Blanchard, President of the Nova Scotia's Research Foundation at Dartmouth, l-iova Scotia. Beeause the foundation had worked out a formula for spraying emulsified grass seed, ~hich formula had been very suecessfully used on the Nova Scotia

section of the Trans-Canada Highway. l!iles fl.rco-~IJ can be covered ·~ this plain formula very quickly. The method might be worthwhile investigating. Traditionally, we have been killers and destroyers of nature. The evidence is all around us. The fact that .our people where on a subsistence level or in many cases even below it, meant that they could devote very little time to the finer things of life. But, this very fact places a double obligation on our generation to make good-• the lost time. I believe, the truest potential of this Province to be must greater than is generally admitted or recognized.

We tend to speak of it in term of a three- mont~': activity. If our people where properly educated and trained for such an industry, as are the Swiss for example, tourism eould become merely a year round activity. Coastal boat trips, hiking trips, camping trips, hunting trips, cod jigging exeursions, trouting excursions, salmon fishing, tobag~aning, skiing, etc. all have their devotees. Each by itself, ~r. Speaker, may not be significant- lraking together and properly organized these recreational aetivities can be built in something very important for the Province.

Enlightened, courteous, and effieient eatering to the many needs of our visitors is essential for the success of sueh undertakings. And again, Mr. SpeaKer, edueation looms lar~e on the horizon.Tn~t is education of the right k~d. Our industrial development~ of course, is of paramount impprtance. But there are many things which ean serve as"an·infra structure for industrial development and vhich will greatly help to attract i~dustry to our Province. An adequate supply of educated·p trained and skilled 1r11en and women is an essential part of that need.~ntrastrueture.

In otherwords. again, edueation of the right kind is absolutely essential. Newfoundland has developed a network of roads, it no'io7 needs to develop< : a highway conseience in our people. Again. based on education. Otherwise our highways will increasingly become our sla~hte~;ays. Our College of Fisheries can in time revolutionize our fishing. ~e must never forget however tha~ no

., matter how modern our methods may become, -we are whether 1o1e like it or not, competing for our market with highly industrializ:ed f<atio~ 1o1hich are ·literally .·. -_-_ mining our fisheries, This nay among other things, indicate the need for a serious approach to a fishing industry catering ~ore to a luxury market, than to the traditional market. This in turn does not mean abandoning the _salt codfish or the fresh froz:en fish industry.

It does mea~ that our people end particularly the fishermen and fish processors will have to take the fullest possible advantage • of the existence in our midst of a Fisheries College. ·:,;this institution, Mr. Speaker, is already attracting favourable attention from the Mainland, and other countries. Here again, education of the right kind adjusted to the economy and resources of the Province have a vital role to play in the lives of our people. I considered the establishment of a Canadian Salt Fish Corporation <a,,·e Very important step in the right direction.

And I wish it had been possible to establish this Board years ago. The efficient operation of the corporation will greatly help to remove the terrible sense of insecurity which have pla~ed our fishermen and dealers in the past. It will also make possible necessary controls not only of prices, but also a standard of processing 1o1hich is of the utmost importance, if we are to ensure markets and retain them. I' should like to return to the College of · Fisheries for a minute, Mr. Speaker, as it is well known the college has done considerable research with the process of Artie Char.

Research along many other lines could possibly be undertaken during the next decade. It might be necessary to attract to the staff one or two masters of the culinary art-chefs of international reputation. Once a high quality product has been developed and standariz:ed, there would still be of course the problem of finding markets. That problem exists no matter 1o1hat we produce. It deserves r.ore attention. It can and should be solved 'With the help of the right personnel.

Facing the competition we do on the Grand Banks, and even closer to our shores, it seems to me, ve ~ust concentrate more and more on supplementing our traditional fisheries, with catching, processing -and pat:kag;f.ng ·.other types of fish and marine life to the luxury markets. For the supermarkets, the hotels, and restaurants of the continent. \~e are already doing this in a way with aur live lobster.

We heard the hon. member for Bay De verde speak of our queen crab, Ve also have shrimp, lump fish(for caviar} salmon (unfortunately in dwindling quanit}'~ he~C,rinf!: and c:ther kinds of. m.arine . lif ~ , which can be processed with luxury markets in · a:ind·.

Let me give you an example of the kind 'of thins; that can happen in this connection, }lr. Speaker, very Sl"lall thin~ ·,that get$ significance., As it is kno~m by kon. members, I was born on the French Islands of St. Pierre and Hiquelon. I remember '~-'ell seeing on the shelves of our store, the humble mussels tinned; lin~ed mussels. The mussels were prepareB in a deep bro~~ipossibly wine soaked sauce, and were delicious. And do you k~ow where these mussels came from, ~ Mr. Speaker? Not from the waters around ~ne Island of St. Pierre and Miquelon, ~o!

They were imported from across the ~antic, from France. ,J.,) . The Throne Speech contains a urr.;u=ent of optim~sm l·;hilst at the same time· · as even hon. members of the Opposition hawe reco~nized it is not underestimating the difficulties ahead. The world situat~nn ~q such that the seventies could become one of the most difficult periods ~hrough which Newfoundland has had to live. It is unlikely however that we wi]] again experience the terrible years of the thirties. This would not be tolerated in a Province of Canada. However, Mr.

Speaker, the very success of ti1e past : tt:wenty-one years has as intimated by my very able and leaned young colleague,. •.t:he hon. Hinister of Community 2nd Social Development, and other hon. member$ of this House raised expectatio~of •• I • . .•• our people to a very high point. A point,,.fn my opinjon, the unfulfi:U~ent in our generation, short of a rniraclous happemin~, and skeptisrn, Hr. Speaker, rather thar. faith seeills to be the order of the o~y. 'i>e ~nust continue our endeavours to t hr<~··" attract industries, primarY · , secondary, ~nd t~rtiary o the uevelopment of our hydro electric power.

Tax exer.ption" ~he provisions of the emenities of modern living etc. the continued developm~~t of educational services, health services, communications, recreational fac~lities, and the other things within our own capability to develop, will help ~eatly our industrialization by making our Province r.:ore and more attractive to tllt.ose in a position to establish industry here. Whilst on the subject of improved srervices, I should like to refer to vocational education and suggest a possibtie development that might well fit into the DRBE concept.

It seems to me Your l!onmur that it l>ould be qise for the : Government to give thought to supplementinm the academic training_·.ilow _afforded,; in our Regional High School with general shop cou~es. This would involve the erection of a general shop in co=unities or areas .-}here regional or central hi~h schools already exist• This shop ~ould enable th~ ~tudents attending the academic regional high schools to diversify their c.urriculum : v;;hete it ' is·desiYable·-by•spemling..Q .n . . ·' · afternoon, a day, or even several days or aifternocn, as the c·ase rni~ht 'warrant '

.-·· ' .. .. , each week recicving training in the general shop, in such fie lets- a·s carpentry,- - wood work, electricity, machinery, plumbing to mention some of the more co~on trade courses. Students taking these shop courses as part of their high school education would not matriculate or perhaps they could~nto ~niversity. But, could obtain a good general Grade XI certificate and prepare themselves for more advanced trades and technical training to apprenticeship courses or to attendance at the Trade School, the College of Trades and Technology~ and the College of Fisheries.

In turn the graduates of these institutions could prasue higher studies at the polytechnic institute we ara hoping to establish. The ~olytechnic institute and the school of engineering of the Vniversity would no doubt supplement each others efforts and collaborata at·many points to the mutual advanta8e of all concerned. \..'hen we first planned our Vocational Education Program, we had been thinking in terms of Trade Schools being located at St.

John's, Grand Falls, and Corner Brook. together with a system of general shops su~~ as I have just mentioned to be located in communities where regional and central high schools were in operation. The Premier and I have had several discussions on this, and this was the general direction in which t,•e t~ere moying.

However, this plan had to give way to the building of the twelve Trade Schools we nag have, and of which t<e are very proud when the Federal Governrr.ent launched a program of vocational and trade training for which over a relatively short period of time, the Federal Government would bear seventy-five percent of the capital cost of erectinp, and equippin~ the necessary training institution. The seven.t:~r-five percent of the i:nburseinent program, Mr.

Speaker, would not have obtainerl with respect to the general shops referred to above,(perhaps)that~is why per~~ps~we should make another start at it, with DREE in mind. There are other matters in the Thro~e Speech, ~fr. Speaker, that I could -comment upon, but there are forty-one hon. ~~bers in this House and I am sure that each one will have his contribution to ~ake, ne~atively or positively as the case maybe. ~fuen the time co~es arourui for the budRet speech, I may have an opportunity to deal in some detail with ~atters affectin~ my district, and the Department of Provincial Affairs. In closing, Nr.

Speaker, I wish to aoo my warm conr,ratulations to the hon. the member for Trinity North and the hon. member for St. Mary's who so ably and interestinf',ly moved and seconded the Address: and Reply. ....

: '· ,; •• 1 • • -: I or ··,. ;. •• • ... r February 27, 1970 Tape 132 Page 1 GC · MR. H. R. V. EARLE: Mr. Speaker, it has often occurred to me when called upon to make a speech in this hon. H-ouse, as to how other members of this House arrive at what they are going to say. It has been my custom and habit over the years that sometimes between t·he hours of three, four, five o'clock in the morning, when you lie awake and are thinking about things, the mind turns over very, very actively and it .is - my custo~ has been that on such occasions I am apt to think that I a"l. !IDaking a speech.

Now, by the time I am finished, ~1nston Churchill would have nothing on it. If I could only remember what 11:·0 say the next day, it would be the most outstanding speech of the century, but unfortunately I have the uncanny ability of putting myself asleep witl'u DliY own speeches. So, I hope that that will not happen here today. As a matter of fact, since coming to this side of the Eo use, I have been able to' -sleep a lot better and therefore I do not get the opportunity that I once· h·a·d to make up these wonderful-speeches.

Before r ,get ~ into any comments ~ the actual address in reply and as this debate allows a wide range of subj~:cts, I should like to refer briefly to two things that were said here yesterday. First of all, the hon. me~ber from Baie de Verde whose opinions I respect very, very highly; was talking about hz:rring plants and herring barrels, and so on, iilc which he thought: there would . :be a great indus try which could be created in Newfoundland in the making l!I!Jf these herring barrels, particularly if the lierring fishery increases.

I s~ncerely hope he is right because as he so ably put it, every job that Ye can get in Newfoundland is most essential, most vital. I do hope, however, that his figu= :lng in that case was somewhat more accurate than his remarks concerning tme Koch Shoes:operation.

I did ask ~ question last :1ight, but it seemed to g>o over everybody's head- as to what Koch Shoe; should sell for, if you took :ii:nto consideration, the investment which has been made in that plant. 1 ll:aoked up the ·figures in the ·, Public Account and I noticed that Koch Shoes 'now owes this Government $3,211,257.00~ This is an increase in last year of $4Ql£,-000.00 in one year. The hon. member said that there w~~e fifty men employed over there or fifty people rather. I believe that th~se people are not fully employed but they are employed from. time to time:.. · SometlmE!s the.re .aore lay-offs .and ~ : I

February 27, 1970 Tape 132 Page 2 GC so on. But, even if they were fully e:nploycd, the cost of that plant to :date would mean a cost per job of $Git,Z25.00. t:m-1, the interest on $3,211,000.00 at the present rates we arc paying, would be approximately $290,000.00 pe= year : I venture to bet that on the production of shoes coming ')ut of that plant at present, the cost per shoe to cover the interest of the loan oould _ be bet1-1een twenty-five and thirty dollars. MR. SA!nWERS : l.[ould the hon. member permit a question? }ffi. EARLE: Of course. MR.

SAm:DURS: The question is that when I was asking yesterday that if the Newfoundlanders supported Koch Shoes and could keep those people occupied all the ti~e by buying Kock Shoes, it •ould - if it dropped the cost, therefore the men would be working and the jobs would not cost so much. l~at is costing so much is keeping the plant idle because we are not buying our home products. MR.

EARLE: I agree with the hon. gentleman entirely if that desirable end could ever be attained, but I think that he would have to ad mit that to reverse these figures which I have mentioned, would almost be beyond the \" . . capacity of Newfoundland if we bought every shoe that we needed o\·er there. This is as it stands at the morr.ent and that is all I am pointing out, Mr. Speaker. This is a terrifically cos tly operation to the Province of - Newfoundland and in my opinion cannot be justifi.:!d.

I think that the money would have been and would be now, fa~ better eT.ployed in some other avenue of expenditure, possibly in the very herring barrel facilities which my hon. friend mentioned. I would like to refer to the moment for the excellent address - to the excellent address of ny fomcr colleague, the hon. i'linister of Co=unity and Social Developtr.ent. I do, in all sincerity; congratulate -him. He gave a r ., 1 ' ' ( ~ very learned e~udite address last night. Possibly the wording of it was above the heads of a lot of peop.le. It needed to be_follo1-1ed very, very carefully indeed.

Of course, the gentleaan is a very highly educated man and he speaks in terms of highly educated people and it may have been a bit difficult to follow, but· indeed, there was a lot of good l!!ent in it. ' . ' .' - · ~ .. . -

February 27, 1970 Tape 132 Page 3 GC But, what did surprise me that after he had finished speaking, as it was in support or against, rather, the motion which this side of the House had put, that his colleagues could so quickly @O against that motion, because if you listen carefully to ~hat the bon. minister had to say, and I think I did listen carefully, the picture which he painted was simply, terribly, terribly frightening. It means that we have such a terrific job to accomplish that every effort of this Province and its people, must be put into that direction beyond almost imaginabl~ means.

We have to create such a tremendous number of jobs and I agree with him that this is a most desirable end, but iny point is, Mr. Speaker, that nothing, absolutely nothing, in the past history of this Government has illustrated that they are capable of attaining that end. The very fact that the industry which I just mentioned, which has so far costed this Province $3.200 million is not a very good advertisement for the fact that the present Government over there can pull us out of this bole. It may be tiresome to some hon. members, Mr.

Speaker, if I refer to another matter which has already had some hearing in this House, but to quote my bon. former colleague, the Minister of Hines, Agriculture and Resources, in a recent speech here that mewbers of this House should not have to defend their good name. I agree with him entirely. ' I.do not think that we should have to, but if your good name is not tinged in any way, a man has nothing more that he can do than stand up and defend it, and I have made several attempts in this House since the session opened to do just that, but I have been ruled out of order.

I accept the Speaker's ruling but I must take this opportunity to repute these allegations. The allegations which were made by the hen. the Deputy Premier in his speech a ' few nights ago, were t<;~ the effect that I had broken my oath of office as a Cabinet minister in certain statements~which I had said. I have read and r~-read the transcript of my remarks just to see that I had - if I had slipped up somewh~re. I was quite convinced in my own statements as I made them, that I ·. was not under any circu~stances breaching my oath of office.

It is not the sort of thing that I would conte mplate for a moment and I am sure that I cid not do it.

• • : r,' - 1: . , ... ·- .... . ' i.. • FEbruary 27, 1970 Tape 132 Page 4 GC It would be just as ridiculous for me to say that because I had. mentioned in my speech that I had been for twelve months trying to get something for Cabinet - before Cabinet, and had only been successful after twelve months. If that is a breach of a Cabinet oath it would be just as truthful to say that on many occasions in this House, I have heard the Premier and hon. ministers say a certain thing has been taken before Cabinet or will be t"aken before Cabinet or possibly that it will be discussed in Cabinet.

In public meetings, I have heard the same eentlemen say that, yes, this is a good suggestion. I will take it before Cabinet and knowing oy influence on Cabinet it will probably get a good reception. Thjs is only a twisting of words. It is not a cool fact at all. It is not

an act of fact. The s~e thing applies to the remarks about allegations against me which the hon. Deputy Premier made. His insinuation was that I was the type of person that loosely go around repeating conversations - private conversations and so on , and this, of course, started immediately after my resignation. It is what I consider a most vile attempt to diminish my standing and my image in the eyes of the people. The only reason that I can think that such an attempt would be made, is that there must be a genuinely fear that when I speak, I speak truthfully and honestly, and sometimes the truth hurts. It is very well that I have heard things said along the lines of those that I f~~~fioned,

whereas the same sort of report and reference to Cabinet has been made wliere they were pleasant things - very desirable things for the people to hear, but when there is so~ething which is not ~uite so pleasant or not quite so desirable, then the whole breaks loose and the person who says it, bears the brunt of that. Let us just refer to this incidence which brought on the exchange from -:-li.• the hen. the Deputy Premier. I might say that the root _cause of that was a basis of falsehood which I could not stand up against or which I could not resist until I had the opportunity.

The basis of this falsehood was simply that when I resigned as minister of the Crown, it was said iri a letter to me which the ?remier made public - it was over the radio stations ana so on, that the majority, ' the great majority of the members of Cabinet ,and t9e l private !!",embers of othe Party, have informed me of their unhapp:l,ness over the ,... .. J prospects of your cant inuing in Cabinet. . S"""-l/ ~

:· . . February 27, 1970 TApe 132 Page 5 GC You must remember, Mr. Speaker:., that at that time, my resignation had not been accepted. I was still a meuiher of Cabinet and I was go~ng around eo the various members of Cabinet att: ±he request of the Premier - I emphasize this - at the request of the Premierr" ~o find out and to ascertain if. they felt that I should remain in Cabine .tt .• I had not made any commitment ~hat I would remain. This was justfto enquire, and it was a very embarra~g thing for me to have to do.

I did just that and as I reported over th~ ~V, nine of these gentlemen assured me that I should remain. In fact, some.of them were most emphatic about it. And then the very gen~leman thatt gets up here in this House and accuses me of being loose in my remarks and't $.0 on, \vas the first gentleman that I called on. In deference to him, as. fue was the senior member of Cabinet, I called on him and asked him his veryf·Dpinion of this thing. Should I remain in Cabinet?

And he told me quite fnankly to my face that he thought I should, that he could work with me and that. !there was water under the bridge - everything that had passed. Then he was not man enough in gwblic to come out and say that he had said that, a few days afterwards. frn fact, by another devious twisting of words in the statement which he madre, he had left the impression that he was against my staying in Cabinet.

Well, this 11as such a basis of direct contradiction to say it very, very ~llrrdly indeed, that I could not, I could not stand up under that without maw~g some co~aents in my own defense, and if these comments have been interp~~red by anybody as a breach of confidential information, I cannot avoid that • • As a matter of fact, anything ·. \Uitich I said to the Premier at that time, or he said to me, I would hope, or •.uhich I have said in any of my period as a member of the Cabinet, I would b~ quite pleased to have broadcast over every radio station in this Provin~e.

I have nothing whateve~ i~ the ti~e that I was a member of this- that · !Government of which I am ashamed • . I pave nothing -·~ which I would have any nlf!sitation whatever in being repeated, and I hope the same could be said on tl:te:! other side, but apparently it cannot because it raises a storm of protes.tt. . .. , . ...,-,,J'/

February 27, 1970 Tape 132 Page (6 ~ This Session has started off am a p~etty lively level. We have had, I thiuk, certainly, the most in·teres:llting session since I have been in this Rouse - have been priv~leged to be jJm this House, Mr. Speaker, and I hope it will co,ntinue along the same lines <lilecause through these tactics - they are not just here for the enterta~ of the public. They are not being used for the entertainment of the pulbll:ic.

They are being used to·' drali O\lt essential information to which ve tlil!bnk the public is entitled, and I think ao far; we have been remarkably 5'!1C¢leSSful - the colleagues, lilY colleagues on this side of the Uouse, those nudlg!ll'lg colleagues, to T:rf right and all of us he't'e in the Opposit'ion. t rather, in thinking over th~ !Session here, and perhaps if I might be permitted to romance a bit., feel tliatt ·this has been somewhat iike the old days of the Christians being thrown; if;n the Colosseum t .o bee the lions. You all know the history 10. the '•. '·.

-t-.r JW February 27, 1970 Tape Dl33 Page 1 l'iR. EARLE: · of the history in the stacy <Of that. N01o1 mind you Hr. Speaker, I am not trying to say that we on this s;fr.de are growing wings • far from it. But most certainly we have not develope~ ~rns or cloven hoofs as yet, and any accusations made in that direction a:c.re false. But anyhow we are in a sense, a small bana of people in a den of lion $ , but the worst thing about thar is that the lions are becoming old.

Their fuair is beginning to fall out, their claws have been clipped - they are losin ·w; their teeth, and we are not any longer afraid of these lions. As a matter of fact it seem$ ~o me that the sport has been modernized, it is no longer back in Roman times, i~ fis more like the English sport today of the chase of the hounds and the hare$~ Or perhaps more aptly in the case of some of the younger members, it is ~~ like a cock fight. But in any case as I contend'. . ~~!r. Speaker, this l."hole exercise is not one of futility.

It is one 1mich i$ ·of very great importance indeed to this beloved Province of Newfoundland. ~ecause for far too lon~ the whole story came from one side. There was very li~le said with effect - I could contradict some of the statements which came so l>l:ctmdly from the other side, and nc..- ve are getting real information for th~ first time. And I for one hope that we can continue to get that information .• It is very easy in speaking- ·, :before this House particularly when such great issues are at stake to become emottional.

We can all think back to the days the dreadful days when people were ::on Helfare, and dole Yas six cents a day and all that sort of thing. And I ~~ not blame anybody for becoming ernoti9na~ - when he thinks of these issues. But i~ c~as rather surprising the other day when the same thing happened over a you~ gentleman by the name of Jay Parker. He made a rather astounding statement antd this aroused tears from some quarters. But wh2t Jay Parker said • atttd incidentally he ·is quite ··a good friend of mine, a gentleman 'Whom I resp~It greatly.

Unfortunately .Yhile ~e must disagree with him, I think that as, '!iewfoundlanders, it would shatter our souls to agree with what Jay Parker sat~ .• but unfortunatelv there is an element of truth in it. And we can only striv~= ~o Prove Jav Parker ~ong. The . sort . of thin~~; 'Which my former colleague the: Hum. Minister of Soc:ial and Community Development mentioned last ni.ght, is a:, s;:te:ro and a great step ·; a huge step. · Rut the only thinp,· that 'I am CIUestiont .'rrrl!; in view of the ·-record of the

Liberal Government of this Province over ' t~e past ·twenty years - are they . the people capable of taking that st:ep? They certainly have not shotrn it. __ •... ·through past record. I will just go along in my own usual way, I do not have to speak very cleverly or anything of that sort - HR. CROSBIE: Minister of bogland Xr. Speaker, piping up again - MR. EARLE: I was part and parc~l of the Government, and as I said the other day, there are many things for which I am responsible. In fact all the things · that happened in that period, I am equally as responsible as they are.

And I am not trying to dodge my responsibility in that connection. But - MR. SMALLWOOD: It is a dirty bird that fouls its own nest - MR. EARLE: Mr. Speaker, that is just one gentleman's

interpretation. I have never considered myself a bird. It is sometimes said that when people you know get into certain activities in their lives - they begin to look like the ·- ~ ,..- ... - .... very products which they produce. This ~y well be the case. I am not . in the hennery business. Anyhow if I may be permitted to proceed? My former colleague the h Han. Minister of Mines, Agriculture and ~esources, apparently overheard or listened to some remark which I made at a Progressive Conservative meeting, and it was a wonderful meetin~ which we had the other ni~ht in Gander - MR.

CALLARA!l: Point: of· Privi-lege Hl'. Speaker. May I ask the han. gentleman to indicate clearly that I was not prese2t at that meeting? MR. EARLE: I am quite prepared he was not present - MR. SPEAKER: Order please! MR. EARLE: The hon. gentle:nan \Vas not present at that meeting, hut he may well hope that he will be present at futQre meetings of the P.C. party. In any case ~hat he was referring to ~as s~ remarks where I said that I was fed up with ARD!" - FRED - and DREE. Now when I said that apparently the thing was taken out of context - MR.

BURGESS: Will the hon. gentleman Flease tell me if that is the han. gentleman's lower lip or is he wearinz a turtle-neck .sweater? . MR. EARLE: Replying to my hon. friend ·on ~ extreme ri!!ht, I am no exper .t in anatomy. MR. SPEAKER: Order please! I would li~e to remind members of the Rouse and visitors that the hon. member for Forturne is entitled to be heard without ' . .:.

.. . . i t February 27, 1970 Tape 11133 f' • Pap;e 3 interruption, and that visitors to the House are not to show their presence by applause, laughter, movement or in any other ~ay. MR. EARLE: Mr. Speaker, I hope that what I am saying is not extremely funny. It is certainly not intended to be so. It is quite serious. But just to revert back to these r~marks about ~. FRED and DREE. I was only expressing what bas been generally expressed arnmmd this country which is education.

Everybody has been built up to such a ~igher level of expectations by these tremendous announcements over the years that people are becoming suspicious of their value. And mcst certainly E am in spite of the evidence that the hon. Minister produced, I think, of ~hat ~A had done. That ~as an infinitesimal ~art of what ~as promised to have been done under ARDA. The hon. gentleman a!!ii.·d not plan very much for FRED. But the promises that were made and the e~ectations that were aroused of the FRED program were even greater I beli~we than those that were aroused for ARDA.

And this why people are b~min~ somewhat suspicious and doubtful. I do not think anybody in their right . s;·enses, but hopes that the DREE program will come through and come throu~h qu~ly - and come through with large amounts of money for the assistance of our pe~le. But I have the feeling and I may be wrong, but I feel that Ottawa is g~~g to take a very very close look at this Province, and see that this mane~ is spent properly and wisely • I do not think it will be ;given as some funds have been in the past with .a free open hand to be spen~ high, wide and handsome.

The record of the expenditures of these funds hawe not been in character. And therefore, I think it will be looked at with the rgreatest scrutiny. and with ti1e greatest care. In any case. if and when ~hese funds come through, they will be badly needed as assistance for our pe~1e and for the services of this Province, and every member on this side and that· 'side of the House ~ill welcome it.

The only point I should like to make that ~t1ey are federal funds - whether they be one hundred percent or eighty-five ~ercent. and that we have to find th~ difference is immaterial- although i~~zould be very costly to Newfoundland if we had to find a very high percentage~ But the fact is that theyare federal funds, and I do not think that the Libe.tral: ·:Government of this Province · ·can cla'im ' any great credit for it. Whatever the rGovernnent .wer·e:. in· 'this Provine£: the s.:1rne funds

\'. . • ._ ~ . _,., .. .. .: _ ....... · .. .• would be available. My han. friend the Han. Minister of Mines, A~riculture and Res~urces mentioned in his remarks the heavy equipment and the Adult Training Center at Stephenville. I was agreeing v ith him tremendously on this because this started when I was Minister of Education, and it is one of my r,reatest recollections of pride in something which we accomplished, I am very happy indeed that that has expanded, extended and grow~.

It is not in a sense, providing ; ­ need industrial jobs which men so badly but it is at least giving them the traini~g and the opportunity to get these jobs. And there "Till never be any criticism from me on a program of that nature. I do hope as I am sure we all hope that such trainin~ will not just allow people to leave the Province because they are better trained, and they cannot get jobs here. This would be a most unfortunate outcome, and a very expensive experience for this Province. Now Hr. Speaker, if I may for a moment just have a few words to say about my district of Fortune Ray.

The hon. member for Hermitage did outline very well indeed some of the problems of the south coast. He spoke of roads and transportation generally, and things which l>'ere so badly needed in that area, And I always agreed with him, and I still agree with him, although I am on this side of the House. In my district of F ortune Bay, the crying n.eecl as people have heard me say here time and time again in this House - is for the extension of roads. I think it is still one part of the Province which is the least well provided with roads. And those roads that they have are still very very inferior indeed.

The great need of course is to join up that district with the district of my hon. friend, the member for Herwitage. - And this is progressing it is getting somewhere near completion - but that ~~hen it is done, will only be one step in the right direction, as the great need then, is to join up both districts with the Trans Canada Highway. There is only a matter of some twenty- seven miles to be completed, and I most earnestly hope that that will be done in the coming year- because we have worked so hard and so long for it.

In my district since becoming a member for Fortune Bay, I have been driven almost to ~rustration in trying to get the necessary things done. It took us six years to'build six miles of road, that is incredible, and that was not Trans Canada Highl~ay, that was just ordinary narp:>:w 4-_ir:t roadr. : ". 5""9/

··~rT· And finally last year we connected uo one settlement - well the people were delighted and they are delighted. Rut the final phase of that is to connect up the settlement of English Harbcur East, which is another ten or eleven miles further on, and that will then complete this top northeast

section of Fortune Bay, and join up the remaindng settlements there. It has always been a bit beycnd my understanding as to why - when the road systems in this Province were ~lanned, that instead of having to drive something over 400 miles when the link is connected with Harbour B~eton from St. John's to Bishop.' s Falls down to the top of Hermitage Bay and then down into Harbour Breton- the route wil1 be something over 400 miles.

The route actually across from Terenceville in that area Swift Current over to the west side of my bay Vhere the road system is now being dev~loped would be something less than sixty miles. So that the total from St. John's if you went in that direction to the present place, would be only approximately 200 miles. Well you imagime of course this takes in the Tr~s Canada system and everything which was imevitable and very desirable but I do think that the south coast was at tha.tt time - was very much forgotten and neglected

section of Newfoundland, becaus~ in spite of the fact that the said huge indentations there which could not &e gotten around, were the cause that roads had to go in this huge circle. I fuave since seen ample evidence· around this Province where roads have gone by mmch more circulous routes and at much greater expense than those roads would have been in that area. For instance you take the r~~d to Rocky Harbour around the bottom of Bonne Bay. That is through mountaino~s territory. It did away with less than a three mile area across Woody Point to N~~is Arm.

That was something which was - people were able to get back and Illmrth at least altho~:gh it was not too convenient • But that little road around ~be bottom of Bonne Bay, I do not know what the cost-- was but I am sure it was Cl!lWer $20,000,000. And if that money had been spent, I literally believe that :hundreds of -miles-of the, southcoast could have been connected up for the sam~ sum. However-that is all water · under the bridge, and I say that was not done. 'Rut with deference to the people of that area, the completion of this system' :<should be of paramount importance in the thinking of this Government.

The recondition!nl_!, ungradi~ and pavinl'!; of the Burin Peninsula Highway which serves a tremendous number- ·of people · and the- industries in that:- .' "1

Febnary· 27'' 1970 Tape 8133 ·- -Page 6 area is of equal importance if not ~reater imoortance. And 1 sincerely hope is as my colleagu e .t he hon. member for Burin,lhonin~ that that \YOrk \Vill get \Vell ahead this year. We have both striven endlessly and t i r eless ly to see that that was done, and I hope that just because we sit on this side of the Rouse , it will not be slowed do~ in any way • . .

, ... . ···. - __ , _ ·-- ----- . ' " The District of Fortune Ray, just to carry on for a f~r more moments on my ovn district, apart from its ~reat need for roads, has not truly entered into the ~ educational syatem of the Province, due to the lack of adequate hip.h schools. There 'lo'as one high school built in English Harbour Hest a couple of years ago, and this is servinR a great purpose. As an illustrat~on of the spirit of our NeYfoundland people, that school 'lo'as completed less than two years ago, at- very considerably cost and it has been fully and co~pleted paid for.

They are wonderful people in that part of Newfoundland. They do not like to be in debt. There homes are not indebt. They are not people who themselves run to finance companies for assistance. They are people who are completely independent of mind and of pocket. And it is a great credit tc them, that '!o'hat they have done, they have done themselves so admirably. The need is of course that in other sections of that area the same type of high school system should be developed.

And I hope that possibly under this DREE Program, I do not know if it will encompass education or not, I sincerely hope that it will, and I hope that some funds will be made available in~some vay or other so that the whole school system can be improved. There is also a great need in the area of Fortune Bay for the creati