Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Oral Questions — 15 May 2003 (44th General Assembly, 5th Session, Vol. XLIV No. 23)

2003-05-15

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Oral Questions — 15 May 2003 (44th General Assembly, 5th Session, Vol. XLIV No. 23)

2003-05-15

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

May 15, 2003 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

PROCEEDINGS Vol. XLIV No. 23

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Snow): Order, please!

Before we begin our routine proceedings the Chair would like to take this

opportunity to welcome to the gallery today eleven students from Holy Heart of

Mary School who are enrolled in Canadian Issues. They are from the District of

St. John's East, accompanied by teachers: Kathy Henderson and Jackie

Fewer-Bennett.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: As well, I would like to welcome to the gallery today: Mayor

Gerry Dean, Deputy Mayor Scott Sceviour, and Town Manager Mr. Ed Evans from the

Town of Botwood in the District of Exploits.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I want to take this opportunity to invite all citizens of the

Province to come to Bay Roberts this August to take

part in the biggest classic

rock festival east of Montreal.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, on August 2, the Eighth Annual Bay Roberts

Klondyke Festival concert takes place, and this year's stellar lineup will

provide solid entertainment for one and all.

The headliner will be Lou Gramm, best known as the lead singer of Foreigner,

who's number one hit on the U.S. charts, I Want To Know What Love Is.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, Gramm also has a successful solo career.

Also, Mr. Speaker, classic rock fans can hear the sounds of Canadian rock

icons, Stampeders, Honeymoon Suite, Glass Tiger, Streetheart, Loverboy and also

the catchy traditional sounds of our very own, The Fables.

Mr. Speaker, this year's Klondyke Festival concert promises to be a special

event that will be long remembered by music fans throughout the Province. I

congratulate the organizers and sponsors and I want to take this opportunity to

invite everyone in the Province to come experience Bay Roberts this summer at

this year's Klondyke Festival.

I say, Mr. Speaker, don't stay where you're at, come where we're to.

Thank you very much.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Harbour Main-Whitbourne.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HEDDERSON: Mr. Speaker, I rise in this House today to pay tribute to

a former member of this Assembly, Mr. Albert E. Furey of Harbour Main, who

passed away on April 23, 2003 at the grand age of ninety-two years of age.

Mr. Furey was first selected to the Newfoundland and Labrador Legislature in

the general election of August 20, 1959 and served one term as a Progressive

Conservative representing the District of Harbour Main. Interesting to note, Mr.

Speaker, that in that election it was Term 29 of the Terms of Union that was the

main issue in that election.

He was a successful business leader and community leader in the Harbour Main

area. As a politician he was noted for his oratory skills and fiery speeches, as

well as his stands on the issues of the day and his strong voice for the people

of his district.

Mr. Furey's passing certainly reminds us of another time in politics.

Harbour Main District was a dual riding at that time and Mr. Furey shared the

responsibility of the district with a Liberal colleague, Mr. P.J. Lewis. As

well, Mr. Furey was a third generation to represent the Harbour Main District,

following his grandfather Charles Furey and his father Charles. J. Furey who

both represented the district in Responsible Government days.

Following politics, Mr. Furey continued in his business interests and was

very active in his community right up until his passing a few weeks ago. He

leaves to mourn his son Alberta, daughter-in-law Geraldine, five grandchildren,

his sister Gert Maloney of Harbour Main, and a large circle of relatives and

friends.

I am sure, Mr. Speaker, that I join with all members of this House in

extending condolensces to the Furey family on the passing of Mr. Albert E. Furey,

former Member of the House of Assembly for Harbour Main.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Trinity North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. ROSS WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to congratulate two

outstanding community leaders in my District of Trinity North. Both ladies were

recently presented with the Queen's Golden Jubilee award and may I say, they

are both quite deservingly recipents of that award.

Roslyn Cooper of Port Rexton was one of the first female fire chiefs for this

Province and has been a volunteer with the Port Rexton Fire Brigade for more

than nine years. Roslyn is also very dedicated to the youth of the area and has

shown in her many years as leader of the Church Lads Brigade where she currently

holds the rank of Lieutenant. Roslyn has always been actively involved in

numerous community organizations as well as the entire surrounding area, Port

Rexton and Trinity region of Trinity North. She is truly the type of individual

everyone can count on and rely on when help or leadership is needed in the

community.

The community of Southport too, Mr. Speaker, is also very honoured to have

Charlene Lambert as one of its residents. Charlene has provided hundreds of

hours of community volunteer work and provides strong leadership to the youth of

the area. She has been the leader of the Sea Cadet Corp for more than nineteen

years. Charlene is also very actively involved in many other community

organizations, and the people of that region of the Province can always count on

Charlene when there is a volunteer effort needed and a great job to be done.

I ask all members of this House today to join me, Mr. Speaker, in

congratulating two great ladies in my district who have made a major

contribution to improving the quality of life of the people in the communities

in which they serve, and this award, the Queen's Golden Jubilee award, has

been presented to them in a very deserving fashion.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environment.

MR. MERCER: By leave, to give a private member's statement?

MR. SPEAKER: Does the hon. member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: By leave.

MR. MERCER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As the nation is being informed by the ALS Society of Canada, I would like to

inform members of this hon. House that June is ALS Awareness Month.

Although not a common disease, three residents of my home community of

Pasadena, all well known to me, have been afflicted by ALS within the past

several years.

ALS is more commonly known as Lou Gehrig's Disease, as it was this disease

that took the life of the once-great baseball player, Lou Gehrig, on June 2,

1941. This neuromuscular disease progresses rapidly and is usually fatal within

three to five years of diagnosis.

ALS has been known to doctors since 1874, but as yet there is no known cause

or cure. Still, our researchers work tirelessly towards finding that cure, and

clinics and teams reach out to help victims and families through the

ever-changing maze of challenges and volunteers to help members and their

families who are suffering from ALS.

On June 14, you are invited to wear the blue cornflower, flowers which have

been placed on each member's desk to show your support for those with ALS. The

blue cornflower is the international flower of hope for ALS sufferers. This

flower was chosen, as it is hardy despite its fragile appearance. The same can

be said of persons living with this disease, as they show courage and great

strength of character in order to cope with the devastating changes that occur

to the muscles in their body.

They need your support. We need hope!

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, with Your Honour's indulgence, and the

concurrence of the House, I would also like to make a member's statement.

MR. E. BYRNE: Go ahead.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, I stand in this House today to pay tribute to an

amazing individual, Gambo resident Baxter Goulding. As an important aside, I

might say Baxter is a lifelong friend of both the hon. Member for Labrador West

and myself.

What started as a devastating event in his life, has culminated in his

publishing a book entitled, Trapped In My Own Body . This book not only

provides hope for people afflicted with the rare illness, Guillain-Barre

Syndrome, it is also an inspiration for anyone faced with a life-threatening,

life-changing health problem.

Guillain-Barre Syndrome is a rare disease that affects the nervous system,

that could lead to a total body paralysis, as was the case with Mr. Goulding.

Baxter's book provides insight into what it means to be totally paralyzed,

and outlines his valiant fight for life following his diagnosis.

Up to 1991, this brave Newfoundlander and Labradorian led an active, healthy

life. In early July of that year, he and his wife, Triffie, set out on a

vacation for St. John's, which turned into a nightmare that resulted in total

paralysis and a hospital stay of twenty-four months.

Mr. Goulding's book reveals what goes on behind the scene of an

ill-stricken human being and how he and his family and friends were able to cope

with circumstances that led to a long fight back to an improved life.

Despite the ordeal, Mr. Goulding has fought for a better quality of life and

he shared his difficulty by writing a book that provides inspiration to anyone

faced with difficult challenges.

Mr. Speaker, we all in this House wish Baxter well as he continues his life's

journey and commend, applaud and congratulate him for being an inspiration to

all.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for The Straits & White Bay North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, it is now three weeks since Minister Thibault and Minister Byrne

announced their decisions regarding the Northern and Gulf cod fisheries. There

has been very little success thus far in resolving many of the outstanding

issues that arose that day.

Mr. Speaker, it appears from recent comments by this Province's MPs in

Ottawa that they have taken the lead in discussions with federal ministers on

adjustment initiatives like early retirement, licence retirement, and EI

extensions for those affected by the closure of our cod fisheries and the

extensive ice conditions in the Gulf in particular.

Mr. Speaker, can the minister tell us: Is this government involved in

discussions that took place in Ottawa yesterday and are continuing today? If so,

what specifically is this government recommending to the federal minister?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

This government has been very engaged at every opportunity with the federal

government in lobbying to have this fishery reopen, especially in the Gulf

region, Mr. Speaker, because we take the advice of the fishing industry; we take

the advice of our own science in this Province which tells us we can have a

sustainable, limited fishery for the people of our Province.

That has been our position. We have maintained that with the federal

government, and we agree there are some measures that have to be taken in the

interim. We have been approaching them on those measures. When there is a

program to talk about, we will be at the table.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for The Straits &

White Bay North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, as I said, it is now three weeks since Minister

Thibault made his announcement. More importantly, it is five weeks since most

fishery workers on the Northwest Coast, in particular, on the Southwest Coast

and Southern Labrador, and certainly throughout the Province - it is five weeks

now since their EI benefits ran out. As a result of that, it is causing a great

deal of financial and emotional stress to the people who are affected. As I said

a couple of days ago, we have, in a community of 180 people, Green Island Brook,

sixty-five people leaving in the next two weeks, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, the Quebec Government has recently announced $1.8 million in

funding to assist fishery workers in their province while they await

compensation from Ottawa. Does this government have any plans to provide

short-term emergency assistance to the fishery workers who have been without an

income for five weeks now?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, we have consistently made representation to the

federal government on ice compensation, on EI extensions, for people who are

affected by the recent decision around cod closures, by people who are affected

by the ice conditions that are on the shores of Newfoundland and Labrador today,

by people who are affected by quota reductions and reduced bycatch in some

fisheries.

We understand the dilemma that these people are in, and we also understand

that there is a need for short-term measures. There is a need to bridge the gap

in terms of their current situation until such a time we can get these people

back on the water, back in the fishing boats, and get an active fishery going in

this Province, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for The Straits &

White Bay North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, as I said, the Quebec provincial government has

announced $1.8 million in short term adjustment measures for the people affected

in their province. They have also called upon Ottawa to come across with $200

million in the form of compensation for the people directly and to help in

economic development initiatives.

I ask the minister again, Mr. Speaker, as we have asked her over the past

number of days: What specifically have they put forward to the federal

government in the way of a proposal? What are they asking for? How much money

are they asking for, and what would they like to see that money spent on, Mr.

Speaker?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, I don't know how many days I have to stand in

this House, in this place, and reiterate that our position is, and the position

of the fishing industry in Newfoundland and Labrador, to have a fishery. That is

the perspective that we have continued to put forward to the Government of

Canada.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, we have done analysis. We know what the impact of

this decision is on the people of Newfoundland and Labrador, and we understand

it fully.

I listened to the comments of a gentleman in Green Island Cove, I listened to

the comments of the people in my own district, Mr. Speaker. We know what the

implications are, and we know what the impacts are. We have crunched the

numbers, we have looked at what may be needed in terms of some form of

compensation, but we will not relent on our position to have this fishery

reopened. When the federal government is prepared to come to the table and talk

about programs and measures we will be prepared to do the same.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for The Straits &

White Bay North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, if the minister is wondering how many days she

is going to have to stand and listen to this question, she is going to have to

stand and listen to the question until I get an answer.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: I didn't ask if she understood the situation that the

fishery workers are confronted with. I asked what are they proposing to the

federal government and how much money have they asked for. That is the question

that I asked, Mr. Speaker, but I will shift gears, because I am not going to get

an answer to that.

Mr. Speaker, there are opportunities that are non-monetary, that don't

require a monetary commitment from the federal government, that would help our

industry. In the processing sector of our industry, for example, the shrimp

fishery in particular, our industry can't access industrial shrimp from the

offshore fleet because of the 20 per cent European Union tariff on exports to

the European Union. In addition, Mr. Speaker - something that I have not heard

this government speak about -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member is on a supplementary, and I ask him to get to his question.

MR. TAYLOR: Yes, Mr. Speaker.

The high liner plant at Arnold's Cove, for example, is hampered by a seven

and a half per cent tariff on ground fish products going into the European

Union.

Mr. Speaker, in view of what we were confronted with today in our industry,

and in view of the positive impact the reduction on these tariffs would have on

our industry -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member now should get to his question.

MR. TAYLOR: I would like to ask the minister, Mr. Speaker, what

representation has she made recently? In the last two-and-a-half months since

she has been minister, what representation has she made to her federal

counterparts on shrimp tariffs and groundfish tariffs into the EU and,

specifically, what representation has she made to the Department of Foreign

Affairs and International Trade?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We recognize that the tariffs into the European Union poses a problem for a

number of processors in our Province in order to put product into the

international market. We have continued to make representation to our federal

counterparts and at every other opportunity that we could to be able to present

our position on that particular issue. I know the hon. member knows our position

very clearly.

Mr. Speaker, I want to talk about his comments regarding shrimp. We have made

our position quite clear to the federal government. We want to see a change in

historical share agreements between inshore and offshore shrimp. We have made

our representation to the federal minister. We expect to have shrimp delivered

for the areas that are affected by cod closures and reduced quotas in areas of

the Province. Shrimp is a resource that is available to us. It should be in the

hands of the harvesters in our own Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Ferryland.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions today are to the Premier.

The Premier and his government have continuously referenced the 1992

Strategic Economic Plan as the one that lays out the vision and plans of this

government. I want to ask the Premier, Mr. Speaker: How is the Premier going to

defend an economic policy that has seen personal disposable income drop from

over 80 per cent of GDP in 1990 to 59 per cent of GDP forecast in this year's

budget?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In quite a reversal of roles today, while the Opposition Finance critic may

want to talk about GDP, and while that is very encouraging and the numbers are

great for Newfoundland and Labrador, leading the country, leading the nation -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Mr. Speaker, we will gladly defend our economic policies

any day of the week on the one thing that really counts, which is jobs for

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians to provide for themselves and their families so

they can be better contributors in their communities. The fact of the matter is

this: That is the one indicator that counts in Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr.

Speaker. Last year we set a record because of our plan and policies in

Newfoundland and Labrador for jobs in the Province. A record, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: There are more people working than ever in the history of

the Province and it is continuing into this year, Mr. Speaker. For the last

month for which we have full information, for the last month in 2003 for which

we have full information in April month, again, more people worked in April of

2003 in Newfoundland and Labrador than in any other April in the history of the

Province, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: That is a record we will defend anytime, anywhere.

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Ferryland.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Premier must not have understood my question or intentionally avoided it.

I asked about personal disposable income, was the question, Mr. Speaker. As he

is smiling he is very deliberate in avoiding that because he cannot face up to

the real economic consequences that we are facing in money as disposable income

in our Province today.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: Mr. Speaker, total budgetary revenues from both

federal-provincial sources six years ago were 36 per cent of our Gross Domestic

Product. Last year they were only 24 per cent of our GDP. I want to ask the

Premier, how is he going to the defend an economic policy that has seen such a

drastic decline in our revenues as a percentage of our Gross Domestic Product?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Again, while the Finance critic for the Opposition might again want to talk

about GDP, which is a great indicator, Mr. Speaker, the fact of the matter is in

Newfoundland and Labrador - when he talks about the circumstance for

individuals. Individuals in Newfoundland and Labrador, in their own personal

lives - and here is a statistic, Mr. Speaker, that he does not want to use.

Individuals in Newfoundland and Labrador carry less debt per capita themselves

that they are personally responsible for, at a bank for themselves, than

anywhere else in the country.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Individuals in Newfoundland and Labrador have less direct

personal responsibility for debt than anywhere else in the country, Mr. Speaker.

As a result, they happen to need - in order to have the best quality of life in

the country - less actual disposable income because a dollar goes a lot further

in Newfoundland and Labrador, when you do not have a mortgage, when you do not

have five or six bank loans like people in Toronto, like our own relatives

living in places like Toronto and Calgary and Edmonton who can hardly, even with

their jobs, get enough money to pay their rent or pay for a mortgage. That is

why the statistics that he wants to use are practically irrelevant in the real

lives of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. the Premier now to conclude his answer.

PREMIER GRIMES: This is a great Province in which to live, and it is

getting greater by the day because of the great leadership provided by the

Liberal government, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Ferryland.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

You know, it is funny how the Premier tries to twist statistics. Yesterday in

this House -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Ferryland.

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yesterday in this House I asked the Premier why has the median family income

in this Province declined by the highest in the country, 3.7 per cent over the

last ten years, by far the highest in this country. Newfoundland and Labrador

families are getting poor, relative to the rest of this country, in stats that

are provided by Stats Canada.

I want to ask the Premier, the government's own publication: From the

Ground Up, states that child poverty in this Province has increased from 21 per

cent in 1991, to 26 per cent in 2000 -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member is on a supplementary, I ask him to get to his question.

MR. SULLIVAN: - while the rest of the country has declined in child

poverty. I want to ask the Premier: How can you defend an economic policy that,

over the past ten years of its existence, has produced a 25 per cent increase in

child poverty in this Province?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The answer is clear. The information that we produce is for people to have a

meaningful discussion about where we go from here. The circumstance did describe

what has happened in the last decade. The other part of it, Mr. Speaker, is

this, remember what happened in the last decade. The beginning of the decade was

the closure of the fishery, which would be the same as shutting down the auto

industry for all of Ontario, which would have devastated the whole economy of

the country, almost devastated the economy here in Newfoundland and Labrador,

but we rose to the challenge and we have been building back.

Mr. Speaker, the stats will show this, while that is the circumstance that we

did report over the last ten years, in the past two year, in particular, it has

been going exactly in the opposite direction and will continue to go in exactly

the opposite direction into the next several years because we have already put

mitigating strategies in place. We have recognized a circumstance that was not

acceptable. We are doing something about it. When the next report comes out, you

will see a market change and improvement because that is what is happening in

the whole Province on a whole range of fronts.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cape St. Francis.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. J. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, my question today -

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. J. BYRNE: Mr. Speaker, I would like for the members on the opposite

side to at least give the minister the courtesy to hear the question.

Mr. Speaker, this year marks the end of the funding for the Roads for Rail

Agreement between the province and the federal government. Many of the trunk

roads are in a deplorable condition and most of the gravel roads are down to the

bedrock. We see the physical condition of the roads deteriorating even further

during spring in the form of bumps, hallows and very large potholes. The

Trans-Canada Highway is in desperate conditions in many locations along its

route.

Mr. Speaker, what plan does the minister have to address this very serious

issue all over Newfoundland and Labrador?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Works, Services and Transportation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WALSH: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am delighted to say today that we do have a plan in place. We are spending

$23 million on our roads in Newfoundland and Labrador this year.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WALSH: I am more delighted to stand here and know full well that

based on the requests I have received from my colleagues in the Opposition, that

I know now their plan is to spend a minimum, should they ever form a government,

of at least $50 million a year. I applaud them for that because at least I now

know one of their policies, I cannot find out anything else.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Cape St. Francis.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. J. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The minister knows full well that we need six times $50 million to address

the immediate concerns of them.

Mr. Speaker, the provincial government -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Cape St. Francis.

MR. J. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

That $300 million, as a matter of fact, is the minister's own words. The

provincial government has failed to negotiate a federal roads agreement, the

first time in many years. Mr. O'Brien, the federal MP, has been critical of

the Province's feeble attempt at negotiating a deal with Ottawa.

Will the minister confirm that $5 million to $10 million is immediately

required to address the very serious condition of a number of bridges and

overpasses on the Trans-Canada Highway and that the concrete in these structures

have been drastically deteriorating since the 1980s? Has the professionals

within his department advised government that immediate attention is required to

address this very serious condition?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Works, Services and Transportation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WALSH: Mr. Speaker, I am delighted to know that, I only thought they

were spending $50 million but the critic has confirmed today they are willing to

go as high as $300 million a year, and the people of Newfoundland and Labrador

thank you for that.

Let me again tell you what we are doing in terms of overpasses. There are

three overpasses planned for this year, being built, underway as we speak. Three

more on hold waiting on the federal government to sign off on them. Forty-two

kilometres of road in the Goobies area waiting to be done, waiting for the

federal government to sign off on them.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WALSH: While we wait for that, we carry on with the $23 million that

we are spending in the Province, including $550,000 in the hon. member's

district.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A final supplementary, the hon. the Member for Cape St.

Francis.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. J. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I say to the minister, the $550,000 in my district has been long overdue.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. J. BYRNE: The Province is doing temporary repairs on these bridges.

We just recently saw a gaping hole repaired on the bridge at Birchy Narrows and

more problems came to light yesterday.

Mr. Speaker, can the minister explain why his department has neglected to do

proper maintenance and repairs over the past number of years on these bridges

which have caused this very serious safety situation to develop? Could the

hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on an ad campaign to promote the Premier

been better spent on roads and bridges?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. J. BYRNE: Mr. Speaker, is the Department of Works, Services and

Transportation going to call tenders for temporary repairs on this bridge or are

they going to replace this bridge?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Works, Services and Transportation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WALSH: Mr. Speaker, it is time to bring some of the numbers into an

association so that people will understand it.

If we took the entire amount of money on the ad campaign that you are talking

about, one kilometre of road somewhere in Newfoundland would be done. Mr.

Speaker, let me tell you, in order to get out the information to the people of

the Province that we did with that ad campaign, I would gladly give up the one

kilometre of road.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Works, Services and Transportation.

MR. WALSH: Mr. Speaker, let me say, is $23 million enough? No. I agree it

is not enough. However, Mr. Speaker, I will not, nor will this government, take

the money back from the Department of Health, from the Department of Education,

in order to build the roads. We cut the cloth to fit the Budget we have and

thank God we are not willing to put it all into roads. We do believe Health

needs money, we do believe Education needs money, as well as the other

departments.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MR. HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Premier. In February of this year, the Consumer

Advocate wrote the government and all members of the House asking for changes to

the Public Utilities Board legislation that would change the rules so that the

Public Utilities Board could do a better job of protecting consumers and control

the excess monies being collected by Newfoundland Power.

Mr. Speaker, why has this government not, in this session of the Legislature,

put into place legislation to do just that at the request of the Consumer

Advocate who, we are told by the media at least, is a good friend of the

Premier? Why did they not accept his advise, his very good advise, to protect

the consumers of Newfoundland and Labrador by changing those rules?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I must say I am glad to have my continuing association with the

Consumer Advocate who is from my home town of Grand Falls-Windsor. He is the

same age as I am, we grew up together, and I am glad to still have him as a

friend after all these years. Sometimes you grow apart. Maybe we have grown even

closer together over a period of time.

Mr. Speaker, I can tell you this, in seriousness to the question, it is an

issue that the Minister of Mines and Energy and the Minister of Finance and

President of Treasury Board have been reviewing. We do understand that the

current law does provide for any excess earnings to be held and be available to

the Public Utilities Board to set against any future rate increase request. The

notion of the Consumer Advocate is that rather than have that happen the money

should be rebated directly to the consumer. There is currently a review being

done that suggests that while it is in the range of a million dollars today,

when it goes back to the consumer that the administration costs would see

consumers, with that amount, maybe only get a few pennies rebated. As a matter

of policy, we are certainly reviewing it, to bring it forward and change the

legislation into the future. It would not have any impact on the current thing.

It cannot be done, and we would not recommend, and I am sure that the hon.

member would not recommend, retroactive legislation, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. the Premier now to conclude his answer quickly.

PREMIER GRIMES: That is not the way we normally operate, but it is a good

policy initiative for the future.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi

Vidi.

MR. HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Premier also promised to bring in legislation that would control and

change the law with respect to donations to political parties so that the

domination of politics by big business interests in this Province would be

changed, and bring in a law like the Province of Manitoba has done - the NDP

Government there - to prohibit corporate and union donations.

Why has the Premier not done that, Mr. Speaker, in time for the next

election, as he has promised to do so?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

There is no election called that I am aware of. There certainly is lots of

time left for this Legislature to continue on and do such things between now and

an election, unless it gets called very soon, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A final supplementary, the hon. the Member for Signal

Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MR. HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Premier full well knows that the likelihood is that this House will not

sit beyond today, and the Premier has had ample opportunity since the House

opened to bring this legislation before this House and he has not done so. Why

not, Mr. Speaker?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am glad to see that the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi and the Leader of

the New Democratic Party agrees with the general thrust of some particular

expenditure limits and contribution limits with respect to electioneering.

However, I would suggest that he also feels, as most people in Newfoundland and

Labrador do, that the last election that was held in Newfoundland and Labrador,

under the current law, was held and run properly and appropriately and fairly.

The current law is that if anybody provides any funding in excessive of $100

to a candidate or a party it has to be full disclosed to the people of the

Province. People see that as being fair. We are very interested in looking at

the kind of legislation that is in Manitoba, that is now being debated before

the Parliament of Canada, Mr. Speaker, and it is a serious enough issue that we

always, while we have an intent to do things, we always do take the time to make

sure we are doing it right and if it is needed before the next election, unless

the election is very soon, Mr. Speaker, there is lots of time for this

Legislature to come back and deal with it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Trinity North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. ROSS WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

During the Budget Speech, we heard that this government was not going to make

any further announcements on dialysis services until the provincial report is

out. Will the minister stand today, Mr. Speaker, and acknowledge that report has

been in his hands for some time now? Will he further confirm that the report

recommends services in Gander and Conception Bay North? Is he waiting until an

election is called before he makes the announcement?

I ask him to stand today and tell us about when he is planning to implement

those recommendations, and tell the people of Gander and Conception Bay North

and the Burin Peninsula and St. Anthony when they are going to get the dialysis

services that they deserve and that the report recommends.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The hon. member raises a very important question and one that is of interest

to a lot of people in this Province. First of all, just to speak directly to the

question: In fact, the report has only been received within the last couple of

days to a point where the officials of my department are analyzing, so I do not

know where the hon. member is coming from, that, in fact, I had been in receipt

of it for some time. I would suggest to him that you might want to go back and

check with your sources, because obviously somebody is misleading you.

Mr. Speaker, the reality is, the report has been done. The interesting thing,

Mr. Speaker, if you look at it, you hear hon. members every day, in talking

about of the spending practices of this government, the fact that we do not show

prudence and we do not deal with things properly. This is a clear example. This

is a service that the people of this Province value. We are getting lobbied from

a number of areas. The hon. member mentioned a couple. The members from the

Burin Peninsula - and I have met with people down there - they have been

lobbying for a service there as well. What we have done, as a government, to

make sure -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. the minister now to conclude his answer.

MR. SMITH: - the decisions that are made are being made in the best

interests of the people of this Province, is to have an independent committee

examine the issues and make recommendations to government. Government now has

that. They are studying it and we will be announcing it within the next number

of days.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Trinity North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. ROSS WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I assume from the minister's comment, then, he is going to respond in a

couple of days; so, will you be making the announcement, Mr. Speaker? Will the

minister be making the announcement of the locations of the new dialysis

services within the next couple of days, and can he tell the people of Gander

and in Conception Bay North, the Burin Peninsula, that is what, in fact, is

going to happen?

The second thing, Mr. Speaker, would the minister comment and provide some

comment about the recommendation to establish a centre or a kidney foundation

similar to the cancer foundation of the Province? Is that going to be one of the

strategies that you will be announcing, Mr. Minister?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, what I can say to the hon. member opposite, and

to all of the members of this House and to the people of the Province, that, in

fact, in keeping with the policies of this government, any reports that have

been received by this government, once we have had the time to analyze them and

deal with them, which I think the people of the Province would want me, as

minister, and my officials who deal with it, once it is done we will certainly

make that information available to all the people of the Province, which is the

practice of this government to do.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Question Period has ended.

Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Committees

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Mines and Energy.

MR. NOEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to table the 2002 Annual Report of Newfoundland and Labrador

Hydro group of companies.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Ferryland.

MR. SULLIVAN: Mr. Speaker, I just want to, with permission of the House,

as Chair of Public Accounts and in discussion, too, with the Vice-Chair of

Public Accounts, the Member for Lake Melville, that in the next couple of weeks

the Public Accounts Committee should be finalized with recommendations - when

that is ready and passed to the Speaker of the House, it could be circulated to

members of the House and to the general public, in case we may not be sitting in

two or three weeks time here in the House. So, with permission of the House, if

that could be done. It is a committee and report of the House.

MR. SPEAKER: Is that agreed?

AN HON. MEMBER: Agreed.

MR. SPEAKER: Agreed.

Notices of Motion

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

MR. SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a bill entitled,

"An Act To Amend The Pharmaceutical Association Act, 1994." (Bill 15)

MR. COLLINS: On a point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

On a point of order, the hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Sometime ago, back in early April, I laid a question on the Order Paper

asking that a list of expenditures from the Labrador Transportation Initiative

Fund be answered. I am wondering if the Government House Leader or the Minister

responsible for Labrador Affairs could inform me as to when we can expect that

question to be answered.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, I am not certain that is an appropriate point of

order. The hon. member has inquired about a question on the Order Paper. I am

sure in the appropriate time the question will be answered.

Petitions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Baie Verte.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SHELLEY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to present another petition to this House on behalf of the

residents of my district, in this particular case, Little Bay Islands.

First of all, the petition of the undersigned residents of Little Bay

Islands:

WHEREAS the residents of Mack's Island do not have access to town water;

and

WHEREAS there is a great need for a safe, adequate, supply of water.

WHEREFORE your petitioners urge the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador

to provide this desperately needed service.

Mr. Speaker, we are continuing to present these petitions on the last day

that the House is now going to be in session, that this particular community -

by the way, Mr. Speaker, Little Bay Islands is a good news story in my district.

Just a couple of years ago - they have a new operator now at the plant there.

The town is certainly looking forward to a real good summer this summer, but at

the same time, like so many other small communities throughout Newfoundland and

Labrador, they petition the government. They take the time to present these

petitions because they are still looking for the basic infrastructure needs

throughout their community.

I will be talking to the minister directly on this particular petition which

I have just received. Mr. Speaker, it is a serious concern, this particular

situation - and I guess it is something we should not be talking about in this

Province anymore. But, the bottom line is this, their water supply still runs

through a small hose that supplies water to so many families on Little Bay

Islands. They are looking back and saying to the Province: We need the basic

infrastructure of a decent, clean water supply. I think they have every right to

ask for that. They have always made the argument, Mr. Speaker, the people in

this community, that they are contributing to the economy of Newfoundland and

Labrador. Although they are on an island, isolated, a small population, but they

still believe they deserve the basic infrastructure needs, such as safe drinking

water. Of course, they have also raised it many times in this House, the road

conditions. In this particular instance, it is their water supply.

I do not think, Mr. Speaker - and I will try to get some costs for the

minister and talk to him again further, and his officials on it, but this can be

rectified. These people should not be going without water throughout the long

winter months because there is a small hose supplying that part of the Island

with water supply. This community does contribute to the economy. It is looking

forward to a good summer with the new plant opening and full production in that

area. They believe this is only something fair that they are asking for. It is a

basic necessity. I am hoping, Mr. Speaker, that the minister and his department

will give some consideration to supporting this petition.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Harbour Main-Whitbourne.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HEDDERSON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in this House today to bring forth a petition from the residents of

the community of Colliers. The mayor of that particular community just passed

along to me additional names of a petition that I presented a little earlier on

in this session. Of course, the mayor joins us today in the gallery to see it

being presented. Certainly, we welcome him here for that.

Mr. Speaker, it is the Harbour Drive in particular in the Colliers community

that I draw attention to. The petition reads:

WHEREAS the roads in the community of Colliers, especially Harbour Drive,

have deteriorated to a point that safety of motorists and pedestrians are being

compromised; and

WHEREAS access to residences, businesses, churches, postal facilities,

schools and recreation areas have been seriously affected; and

WHEREAS little, if any, maintenance and repairs are carried out on an annual

basis;

WHEREFORE your petitioners urge the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador

to make a commitment to include the upgrading of this road system in its annual

capital disbursement for the upcoming fiscal year.

Mr. Speaker, again, as I have pointed out, I have brought forth to this House

a petition on behalf of the community of Colliers on a previous day, that we had

in excess of over 300 names then, I am sure another 300 or 400 now. We are close

to just about every resident in that community asking this government to take a

look at the seriousness of this situation.

The community itself is a very vibrant community made up of individuals who

are very concerned about making sure that the community stays viable. One of the

ways for a viable community, of course, Mr. Speaker, is to have a good road

system. We have seniors in this community who are shut in because they cannot

navigate these roads, not only in their vehicles, but certainly by walking as

well.

This is not a new request, Mr. Speaker, that this council, this mayor, and

other councils as well have put this forth to government. They are asking that

it be put up to a condition where, perhaps then, they would take over that

particular stretch of road because it is very, very important to the life of the

community. It winds down through the community. It bounds on the sea and if

repairs are not carried out, I would add too, Mr. Speaker, that the

deterioration is going to continue at a rapid pace.

Again, we hope, and I did not hear encouraging news from the minister today

as he indicated the amount of money of $23 million was available -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time is up.

MR. HEDDERSON: By leave, just to clue up?

MR. LUSH: Twenty-five seconds.

MR. HEDDERSON: Twenty-five seconds, thank you to the Government House

Leader.

In cluing up, Mr. Speaker, we know that the dollars certainly do not appear

to be there, but again, the mayor of this particular community would even like

the one kilometre that the minister referred to as being paid for by

advertising. Anything, even if it were to be in stages, the community of

Colliers would certainly be very open to any sort of a commitment that this

government can make to make sure, in the very near future, even in the distant

future, that something is done with the deplorable conditions of this road in

the community of Colliers.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JOYCE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I present a petition on behalf of fifty-two LPNs. I checked with the Clerk of

the House, the petition is in order. I will read the prayer of the petition:

To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador,

the petition of the undersigned residents humbly sheweth;

WHEREAS St. Lawrence College is a well recognized public college in Ontario

offering accredited nursing programs throughout Canada; and

WHEREAS the Fast-Track registered nursing program is of a very high standard

and is recognized throughout Canada; and

WHEREAS St. Lawrence College is prepared to offer this nursing program, which

does not contravene the Act of the Association of Registered Nurses of

Newfoundland and Labrador, on a one-time basis only; and

WHEREAS fifty-two or more Licensed Practical Nurses will be given a one-time

opportunity to become Registered Nurses; and

WHEREAS those Licensed Practical Nurses are presently only working casual

part-time; and

WHEREAS the Fast-Track nursing program will enable them to obtain full time

employment in various health care facilities throughout Newfoundland and

Labrador; and

WHEREAS the Executive Director has exceeded the authority of the ARNNL in

opposing the delivery of this Fast-Track RN program;

BE IT RESOLVED THAT the House of Assembly urge the Government of Newfoundland

and Labrador to take immediate steps to work with the Executive Director of the

ARNNL to ensure that these Licensed Practical Nurses will be granted this

one-time opportunity to become Registered Nurses.

Mr. Speaker, this is fifty-two LPNs who are trying to do the Fast-Track

program. Last night on a program on CBC , it was about the shortage of

nurses in Newfoundland and Labrador. I understand that there is a discrepancy

about the level of nursing if this program is approved in Newfoundland and

Labrador. These LPNs, some of them I know personally, are dedicated health care

professionals in Newfoundland and Labrador. They are people who live in

communities where nurses are in shortage. They are people who are dedicated to

their communities, to the health care in Newfoundland and Labrador. Most of

them, that I know, have their roots and will be staying in Newfoundland and

Labrador.

If there is anyway possible through the association - I urge the House of

Assembly to urge the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, if there is anyway

to help with this, or some other way, or some other mechanism, some way to help

these dedicated health care people become nurses.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to present a petition on behalf of a number of residents of this

Province who suffer from MS. They are calling upon this government to expand the

prescription drug program so that the drugs they require to treat their illness

and offer them a better quality of life will be covered by this government and

by the plan.

I will read the prayer of the petition, Mr. Speaker.

WHEREAS in 1998 the Province provided funding for four new MS drug therapies;

and

WHEREAS the Newfoundland and Labrador Prescription Drug Program only provides

medication coverage for seniors under the senior citizens' drug plan and

people on income support; and

WHEREAS these drugs can cost between $1,800 and $3,600 a month; and

WHEREAS all citizens in every other Canadian province can receive assistance

with the high cost drugs on a co-payment or sliding scale program not limited to

social assistance income levels; and

WHEREAS these drugs can significantly improve the quality of life for people

with MS.

We the undersigned, petition the House of Assembly to direct the government

to implement a co-payment or sliding scale program for these drugs so that

people who do not qualify for assistance under the existing programs can get

financial assistance with the high cost drugs, as is the case in every other

Canadian province.

Mr. Speaker, I have presented this petition in this House many, many times

over the past three to four years. I am sad to say that this government has not

yet reached out to help the people in this Province who are hard-working people,

who go to work each day, and are afflicted by a disease that they did not bring

on themselves, that is not one they asked for, or abused themselves and

received.

Mr. Speaker, it is ridiculous that people in this Province today have to make

a choice between feeling better themselves, taking a drug that helps them, helps

their quality of life with this disease, or providing things for their families

and other areas of their lives.

I think it is ridiculous also, Mr. Speaker, that government has taken the

attitude, taken the position, that they cannot afford to do this. Mr. Speaker, I

think they should look at it in a different way. They cannot afford not to.

Because without these drugs that alleviate a lot of the pain and suffering to

patients of MS - if they take these drugs their quality of life improves to the

degree that they are able to function better in society and have a better

quality of life themselves. Without these drugs, Mr. Speaker, many of these

people will be institutionalized at some point in their life or require home

care that will cost this government much more money than upfront money right now

that will relieve them of the suffering that they are enduring.

Mr. Speaker, as I said, this is the only province in this country that does

not offer their citizens any form of assistance under this plan. This government

now, Mr. Speaker, requires -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time has elapsed.

MR. COLLINS: By leave, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Does the hon. member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: By leave.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I say again it is a terrible situation when a person has to

spend any RRSPs they may have saved, any money that they put away for their

children's education, reduced themselves to income support levels, before this

government will help out. Then they will step in, Mr. Speaker, and if they can

step in and help after a person has ruined themself and their families

financially, they can do it before that happens, and I urge them to do so.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for St. John's West.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS S. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is my pleasure today to present a petition to the House of Assembly from

employees of the Penitentiary and their spouses and their children.

WHEREAS the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador has declared many public

sector workplaces in the Province to be smoke-free workplaces, but Her Majesty's

Penitentiary remains a smoking workplace and her employees and inmates alike are

exposed to second-hand smoke on a continual basis, to the detriment of their

health;

WHEREFORE your petitioners urge the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador

to declare Her Majesty's Penitentiary to be a smoke-free workplace and forbid

smoking within the premises.

As in duty bound your petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, we know from scientists worldwide that they have determined that

the smoke that comes off the tip of a lit cigarette is much more poisonous than

that which passes through a filter.

Governments in the Western World are increasingly recognizing that

environmental tobacco smoke is a public health hazard. In fact, this government

recognized that same fact when it passed a Smoke-Free Environment Act in 1993 in

this House. At that time, this government recognized the medical dangers that

their employees were being exposed to, so they legislated that the workplace

should be smoke-free.

Mr. Speaker, some government employees are being discriminated against;

namely, the employees of the Penitentiary who have asked me to bring this

petition here today.

Some facts about environmental tobacco smoke: Over 300 non-smoking Canadians

and over eighty non-smoking Newfoundlanders die each year from lung cancer

caused by tobacco smoke. In addition to lung cancer, other cancers associated

are: cancer of the sinuses, brain, breast, uterine, cervix, thyroid, as well as

leukemia.

During an eight-hour shift, workers inhale an amount of second-hand smoke

that is equivalent to actively smoking twenty-five cigarettes. Tobacco use in

the workplace causes more deaths, disease and disability for employees than any

other hazard in their working environment. People exposed to second-hand smoke

are 82 per cent more likely to suffer a stroke than people who are not exposed -

a new study reveals that - and the real dangers of so-called passive smoking are

actually much worst than originally thought.

It is not only the employees at the Penitentiary, but one of the inmates at

the Penitentiary has also made representation that the Penitentiary be made

smoke-free.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time has elapsed.

MS S. OSBORNE: By leave to clue up?

MR. SPEAKER: Does the hon. member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: By leave.

MS S. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, this is a very serious issue. One of the employees at the

Penitentiary said that when he comes home from work every day his clothes and

his hair and everything reek of cigarettes. His daughter says to him: Daddy, are

you going to die because smoke is getting in your lungs and on your heart?

That is a very, very sad state of affairs. We must take responsibility for

this. This is our public building and these people are our workers.

I am awaiting a favourable response from Treasury Board, because the Director

of Corrections here in the Province said that the decision to go non-smoking has

not been made; the final decision is up to Treasury Board. Mr. Speaker, I ask

this House that Treasury Board rule post-haste on this to get out employees out

of this danger.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Placentia & St. Mary's.

MR. MANNING: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I stand today to present a petition, one of many I have presented here on

behalf of the residents of my district in relation to the road condition

throughout the district. This petition, Mr. Speaker, has 377 names on it, one of

the largest I have presented here in awhile. This brings the total amount of

names on the petitions to around 1,000 that I am very pleased to present.

The roads in my district, like many of the roads throughout the Province of

Newfoundland and Labrador, are in deplorable condition. I have been on my feet

here many, many times in this session of the House to bring forward the concerns

of the people of the district, and certainly the concerns that have been raised

with me, and not only raised with me, Mr. Speaker, but the concerns that I see

in my own travels throughout the district, and the need for roadwork.

Most of the petitions have been coming through in the area of Route 90 which

covers from Peter's River to St. Stephens on up through St. Mary's Bay right

up to St. Catherine's, Mr. Speaker. Road conditions are deplorable through the

Town of Mount Carmel-Mitchells Brook. Several residents of the community have

come forward and raised a concern with me. The access road down through St.

Joseph's, O'Donnells, down to Admiral's Beach is in need of repairs and

maintenance and some recapping needed in that area, especially around the Town

of O'Donnells. The highway just outside of North Harbour is dangerous, to say

the least, and the road between Colinet and North Harbour, and just before you

enter through the community of North Harbour, the roads are in deplorable

condition. There has been some effort by the Department of Works, Services and

Transportation to address the concern and to fill up the hole. With the immense

amount of rain that we are having, they fill it up one day and it is gone out of

the hole the next. What we need there is recapping and resurfacing.

Right out through Route 100, known to most people as Branch country, which

runs between Branch and the community of St. Bride's, Mr. Speaker, and right

on through the community of St. Bride's, down through the community of

Cuslett, up to the top of the hill, Cuslett Lookout, is certainly in need of

major repair. The roads were constructed there and paved in 1979. Route 100-92

down to the community of Point Lance, I was down there last week and it is

certainly in need of work in that area of the district, and many, many people

travel back and forth on a continuous basis. Safety of children travelling on

buses to the school at St. Bride's, Fatima, is a concern. Certainly, travel on

in over the Cape Shore road in through the Town of Placentia. I just happened to

be in there a couple of days ago and a small part of that town, known as

Ferndale, have heavy, heavy problems with the roads there. Throughout the Town

of Placentia there are roads needed just as on Jerseyside hill and other parts

of the district. Also, certainly, without a doubt, the access road to the

communities of Fox Harbour and Ship Harbour are also in need of repairs.

As you can see, Mr. Speaker, throughout the whole district, and my

understanding is, it is around $75,000 to recap a kilometre of pavement. In my

own district, I need in excess of 100 kilometres of recapping. Knowing full well

that the provincial budget and provincial roads program this year will now allow

that to happen, we have stressed to the minister time and time again that we

need some work done in the district, and hopefully, too, even though he has a

small budget that he is using, we hope to be able to receive some money from the

department this year to address some of the concerns in the roads in my

district.

Therefore, I am very pleased to stand once again -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time is up.

MR. MANNING: By leave, Mr. Speaker, just for a moment to finish up?

MR. SPEAKER: Does the hon. member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: By leave.

MR. MANNING: Therefore I am very pleased to stand again and present this

petition in the House on behalf of the residents in my district who travel the

roads and the highways and the byways each and everyday, and certainly have

raised the concerns with me. The number one concern, bar none, has to be safety,

especially for buses that are travelling back and forth, emergency vehicles that

are travelling back and forth, and for anybody on these roads who have to

swerving from the holes and the danger spots is something that the people have

raised with me and I am very pleased to raise here in the House today.

Once again, I present this petition on behalf of the resident in my district

and hope that the Minister of Works, Services and Transportation will find some

money within his existing budget to address some of the concerns I have raised

here today and in other days.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bonavista North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HARDING: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Today I rise to present a petition on behalf of the residents of Gander Bay

South. The petition reads as follows:

To the hon. House of Assembly of Newfoundland and Labrador, in legislative

session convened:

The petition of the undersigned residents of Gander Bay South in the Province

of Newfoundland and Labrador.

WHEREAS suitable land for new housing development is limited within the

existing boundary of the local service district of the Gander Bay South; and

WHEREAS the land immediately south of Barry's Brook, the boundary line for

the local service district of Gander Bay South, has been zoned commercial by the

Urban and Rural Planning Division of the Department of Municipal and Provincial

Affairs; and

WHEREAS the Urban and Rural Planning Division of the Department of Municipal

and Provincial Affairs did re-zone the Gander end of the road in question from

commercial to residential;

The undersigned residents of Gander Bay South hereby request the Urban and

Rural Planning Division of the Department of Municipal Affairs to permit an

extension of the local service district's boundary immediately south of Barry's

Brook and re-zone the extended area from commercial to residential.

Mr. Speaker, the availability of suitable land for housing in the rural areas

of our Province is common in a large number of the smaller communities, and

Gander Bay South is certainly no exception.

In Gander Bay South now, Mr. Speaker, which includes the two communities of

George's Point and Harris Point, a number of residents cannot find suitable

land for housing within the boundaries of the local service district. They do,

however, have suitable land just adjacent to the southern boundary at Barry's

Brook along the Gander Bay Highway, Route 330.

The problem the residents are having is with the Protected Roads Division of

the Department of Municipal and Provincial Affairs. The land in question has

been zoned as commercial by the department and therefore they will not permit

residential building.

The concern with all of this, according to the residents, is that on the

Gander end of Route 330, an area that was originally zoned as agricultural, is

now being changed. People began building houses on that land without developing

the land for agricultural purposes. It reached a point where it got so bad that

eventually the Town of Gander changed their regulations and it is now zoned as

residential.

Mr. Speaker, the Gander end now being zoned as residential also extends four

or five miles outside of Gander, along the same Gander Bay Highway toward Gander

Bay.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time is up.

MR. HARDING: While on the Gander Bay end, just eighteen or twenty miles

away, the road -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time is up.

MR. HARDING: Just to finish, Mr. Speaker?

MR. SPEAKER: Does the hon. member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: By leave.

MR. HARDING: On the Gander Bay end, they are asking now for that end as

well to be zoned as residential.

I fully support the residents of Gander Bay South in their petition to have

the government have the boundary extended as per their request, and have the

area zoned as residential..

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for St. Barbe.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. YOUNG: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I have a petition to present today as well. Once again, I stand to present a

petition on the roads in the Northern Peninsula. I will read the prayer first.

To the hon. House of Assembly of Newfoundland and Labrador, in legislative

session convened:

The petition of the undersigned residents of Newfoundland and Labrador.

WHEREAS the people of the Great Northern Peninsula have long tolerated the

unacceptable conditions on the Northern Peninsula Highway, Route 430; and

WHEREAS Route 430 is in such a deplorable and dangerous condition;

WHEREFORE your petitioners urge the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador

to take action to correct this serious situation by resurfacing Route 430.

And as in duty bound your petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, many times in the last two years-and-a-bit that I have been

here, I have gotten up and presented petitions on the roads and I have failed

yet, I think, to start off, or somewhere in my petition to speak about the Sally's

Cove enclave. It is a very important

section of highway that is in desperate

need of resurfacing. There are also a couple of points of why. One is that it is

dangerous.

That particular part of the provincial highway system in an enclave within

the Gros Morne Park, and on both sides of that enclave is now a very good

resurfaced highway there. Because of that, it is unexpected when you come to the

end of that good highway that you would come into such a deplorable road.

Approaching that particular

section from the south you come into sort of a

couple of bumps, a couple of maneuvers there, such that lead you to go off the

road. I really would encourage the minister to seriously consider that

particular

section of highway when he is looking at the roads that need to be

done across this Province.

One of the other points that I think makes that

section of highway so

important is that we have invested so much in tourism on the Northern Peninsula.

Even today, to be named in the top eight destinations in Canada by Maclean's

magazine, it goes out and shows how much this country and indeed the world is

looking to the Northern Peninsula as an incredible place to come visit. Having

such a

section of road in this great national park on the Northern Peninsula

sends the exact wrong message that we have been getting out there. We have been

doing a very good job of getting out the message of the Northern Peninsula, but

to have that deterrent right off the bat before you get an opportunity to come

explore such a great place like the Northern Peninsula is very unacceptable.

The other importance of Route 430 is that as now we have built a highway up

to Labrador and the traffic will be coming and going on up through the Northern

Peninsula. We have had an opportunity to go out there and size up and take stock

of this serious situation on the Northern Peninsula, to deal with some of the

sections there to make it passable or acceptable and have a plan to continue on.

There appears to be no plan, only to deal with what is the immediate situation.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time is up.

MR. YOUNG: By leave, for one second?

MR. SPEAKER: By leave.

MR. YOUNG: I really believe that the importance of the Northern Peninsula

Highway can only be really and truly dealt with when there is a

federal-provincial agreement, because of the magnitude of the problem.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 1, Mr. Speaker, the House is debating: That This House Approves in

General the Budgetary Policy of the Government.

I think the Opposition have an amendment indicating, Mr. Speaker, subtly,

that they might be taking a different route.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Ferryland.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I was wondering when the Government House Leader got that message. My

colleague, the Member for St. John's East proposed a non-confidence motion in

this House, and I want to speak for a few minutes on this particular motion

here. The motion, itself, pretty well sums up our confidence in this government.

I think it is addressed under several items, and I want to just touch on a few.

This motion indicates that this House acknowledge and condemn the government's

failure to:

Represent accurately the Province's fiscal situation. I would say, Mr.

Speaker, that they have not represented and put forth our Province's fiscal

situation accurately.

To manage competently the Province's Treasury. That we have to agree with.

Their failure to provide adequately for the Province's resource wealth. We

have not maximized -

MR. LUSH: (Inaudible).

MR. SULLIVAN: Yes, Government House Leader, I am allowed to speak on a

non-confidence motion. It might not be for twelve hours, I say to the Government

House Leader, but I am entitled, as other members are, on a non-confidence

motion - the respective leaders and the person who moved it can have an hour, I

understand, and I can speak for twenty minutes. I will see if I will use some of

that twenty minutes to address some of these concerns, because I have made a

significant number of points on the fiscal situation in Question Period in the

last couple of days and also over the course of my comments on the budget

generally.

The government's failure to secure soundly the Province's social

programs. I mean, since this government took office we have had higher and

higher numbers of people waiting to access medical services. That is not soundly

protecting the Province's social programs.

To invest wisely in the Province's youth. They have become overburdened

with debt, the young people coming out of our colleges and universities today,

heavier debts than ever before in our history. This government, in its mandate

over the past fourteen years, allowed tuition to rise over 300 per cent and then

put in a 25 per cent reduction to show what we are doing for students in the

Province.

To maintain properly the Province's infrastructure. Anybody who goes around

this Province, the roads, for example. Unbelievable! You have to have great

navigational skills, great ability. You would almost want to have one of those

Formula One racing drivers to be able to navigate around some of the roads here

in our Province. Our infrastructure in areas is falling down around our ears. We

have a ferry system in the Province almost forty-years old, not replaced. They

haven't followed their plan.

To fight aggressively for the Province's best interests. We have a tendency

to fight when the barn door is closed. We have seen that with the fishery here.

We have to be up in the face of the federal government continually fighting

every step of the way, not trying to react when something gets done, but to be

proactive before we get a negative decision affecting us.

Answer candidly to the Province's people. In other words, tell it like it

is. Don't spend $30,000 a week on advertising to give the impression that

goods things are happening in Newfoundland and Labrador, if good things are not

happening. Some good things are happening, of course, but there are many things

not happening and not getting reported as the true picture.

Listen attentively to people's concerns. A pretension to do that but not

necessarily a carrying out of that action.

To administer accountability of the Province's departments and agencies. We

have seen Auditor General report after Auditor General report outlying gross

government inefficiencies and ways, improperly complying with the laws and

regulations of our Province. No wonder we wanted to put forth a motion of

non-confidence in the government into the main motion here on the Budget.

To plan prudently for the province's growth, respond creatively to the

desperate need for jobs and discharged effectively any of its other fiduciary

responsibilities.

Mr. Speaker, over the last two days in this House I have put forward

questions pertaining to how well we are doing here in our Province economically.

The Minister of Finance and the Premier talk about how great the Gross Domestic

Product is. If you produced $1 billion-worth of oil and all of that went to the

United States and not one job was used in extracting it, we would get zero

benefits from that GDP - the value of that product times the price. We get no

value. Because we have jobs out there, we are getting a percent. The biggest

percent of that, in that value, is being exported out of this Province.

In the last two days, I asked in the House: If things have been so successful

- their Strategic Economic Plan that they are basing it on - why, after eleven

years of that plan, did we see the largest out-migration of people in history,

in fact, the largest out-migration in the western world since the Irish famines?

We have seen 10 per cent of our population disappear in a ten year period. That

is an astronomically amount of people to leave our Province. What was their

response? Talk about Gross Domestic Product - talk about jobs.

The next question I asked, and I did not get much of an answer. The answer I

got was: the glass is half-full. I said: not only did 60,000 people leave our

Province, but those who stayed did not fair as well from this government's

economic policies. The latest report from Stats Canada showed that in this

Province family incomes have not kept pace with the cost of living. In fact, the

median income in this Province declined by 3.7 per cent over a ten year period.

That is the biggest decline in the entire country. There is not another province

in this country that has seen such a decline in incomes going into families in

terms of median incomes.

How will the Premier defend an economic policy that has made Newfoundlanders

and Labradorians poor relative to the rest of this country than they were eleven

years ago? What did the minister say? The Minister of Finance stood up, instead

of the Premier, and said: We like to see the glass as being half-full. Well, I

would like to ask the minister, when is she going to fill up that glass? When is

she going to start doing something constructive to ensure that the wealth from

our resources stay here in our Province? If things are so great, I ask, if

things are so fantastic in our Province, why is it that Stats Canada revealed

about growing poverty in our Province compared to the rest of the country?

Fourteen-point-three percent of average income of a family coming into this

Province comes from federal and provincial programs - like EI and income

support, or traditionally called welfare payments. That is the highest in this

country. If things are so great, why are families in this Province today

depending on EI and depending on welfare payments to make up 14.3 per cent of

that income?

In fact, the newly created Territory of Nunavut is lower. They depend less

than we do here in our Province, a Province that has existed as part of this

country since 1949. There is something wrong with it. How can you get up and say

our economic policies are working? Economic policies, Mr. Speaker, are not

working for people here in our Province.

In 1989, when this government came to power, the personal disposable income -

that is the income in the pockets which people have for their disposal to spend

- of everybody in this Province was over 80 per cent when you cost the goods and

services produced in this Province. That is the Gross Domestic Product. You take

the cost of the goods and services, the amount of them, the price and it gives

you the Gross Domestic Product. Over 80 per cent, when they came to power, of

that Gross Domestic Product was used as personal disposable income. The personal

disposable income grew with the economy. The amount grew.

What has happened today? In the forecast of this budget this year, only 59

per cent of personal disposable income is of GDP. It is only 59 per cent.

Fifty-nine cents out of every dollar, GDP, we could expect to end up in the

pockets and use as personal disposable income of this Province, when almost

eighty-two cents on the dollar when they came to power. Is that an improvement

in our economic plight, our economic situation? No, this is serious. That is a

very serious decline in personal disposable income. That is a sign of wealth,

personal disposable income. It has declined immensely since this government came

to power. It is a product, I would say, of a Strategic Economic Plan that has

failed the people of this Province.

MR. NOEL : (Inaudible).

MR. SULLIVAN: I would say to the Mines and Energy Minister, he gets in

his seat and says it is wrong. He does not know what I am talking about. He was

not paying attention.

What I said, and I will repeat it for the minister in case he did not

understand it, is that in 1989 the personal disposable income was over 80 per

cent, almost 82 per cent of our Gross Domestic Product. In the forecast by this

government today it is forecasted to be 59 per cent of GDP.

AN HON. MEMBER: GDP has gone up somewhat.

MR. SULLIVAN: Exactly! The minister said GDP has gone up. Why? Because

the GDP has gone up it is great. But, it is not great. I explained it before he

tuned in. I explained the reason why that is exactly the answer. The strategy of

this government has failed to capture that GDP and keep it here in our Province.

This government has allowed the economic wealth from our resources to go to the

Eastern Seaboard and it shows up in the personal disposable income of people in

the United States and other parts of this country. That is what is wrong with

this government's policy.

Six years ago revenues in our Budget were 36 per cent of Goss Domestic

Product. Last year there was only 24 per cent. What does that tell us? As the

economy is growing with Gross Domestic Product, we are not getting the revenues

coming into the coffers of our Province. That s a drastic drop from 36 per cent

to 24 per cent, a one-third drop. A one-third proportionate drop in that. That

is disastrous. That is a product of economic policies of this government that

have failed to work.

Then they talk about how great - and the jobs. Their own publication, Mr.

Speaker, that they put out, this very government published this, it is called,

From the Ground Up. It states that child poverty in this Province has gone up

from 21 per cent in 1991 to 26 per cent in 2000, while child poverty in this

country has gone down by 2 per cent, but in this Province it has gone up. That

is an increase of 25 per cent in the child poverty rate in this Province. That

is an enormous increase just less than tens years of this government. That is an

horrendous number. Poverty has increased. Don't you think, if a Province is

doing so well, if the economy is so great, we should see a reduction in child

poverty? Don't you think we should see personal disposable income, money in

people's pockets, be at least an equivalent chunk or percent of the GDP?

We have not done a good job of keeping revenues here in our Province. That is

the answer. We have not done the job we were elected to do in our Province, and

that is why we are having misery. That is why sixty-five people in a community

on the Northern Peninsula are talking about moving out and moving to the

mainland. That is why there has been a tremendous out-migration, too, because we

have not responded appropriately to meet the crises in the fishery. We have sat

back and had a laissez faire attitude about it and now -

MR. NOEL: (Inaudible).

MR. SULLIVAN: Laissez faire attitude about it, yes.

This government, and this very minister who is shouting and interfering

across the House, have done absolutely nothing. He has failed to even get an

infrastructure, a roads agreement with a simple little power point presentation

that paled in comparison to a community in this Province. Now, he is wondering

what is wrong. They are a part of the problem. They are the problem. But, I can

tell you, Mr. Speaker, by the way they are acting and by their policies, they

will never be a part of the solution. They will not be a part of the solution

because their policies have not worked. They are a government which is bankrupt

for ideas here. It is a government that have plans that do not work in our

Province. They have lost their touch with rural Newfoundland. They have lost

their touch with the people of this Province, and the people want somebody who

is going to do something about it. They want somebody who is going to try to

turn this Province around by implementing policies that are etched in strong

economic basis; one that is not going to be etched on a political front from

year to year doing band-aid approaches to economic development; one that is

going to be formed on concrete, solid policies that is going to help revitalize

this Province and lead us to a new prosperous era in growth and development here

in our Province.

Before this House sits again, for this session, which will end some time in

the very near future, people will have an opportunity to compare the plans of

this party with the plans of this government, and I certainly hope they will

give an opportunity to people who have a vision and a plan to put that plan into

execution, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER (Butler): The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, I am proud to stand and speak on the amendment,

and to speak on the Budget advanced by this Province indicating the government's

vision for the next year, for the year 2003-2004.

First we had the Throne Speech, which gave the general thrust of the

direction the government was headed. It talked about its general goals and its

objectives: that we wanted to have a good education system, providing a good

education system for our young people so that they could develop themselves to

the maximum and be prepared for the job market, and train themselves according

to the demands of the job market. We want to ensure that our institutions are

ready and geared to the job market and, of course, for general education so that

our young people can get the full education in accordance with the ability of

the Province to pay.

We have put a lot of emphasis on health care. We want to ensure that our

people are provided with the best health care, again in accordance with the

Province's ability to pay. All of these things in education, in health, have

to be in accordance with the Province's ability to pay.

Mr. Speaker, I am proud of the initiatives that we have taken in education,

proud of the initiatives that we have taken in health, indicating to our people

our goals and our objectives in those two vital areas of government services.

Our social programs, our Strategic Social Plan and the legislation just brought

to the House last fall by the Minister of Human Resources, tremendous

legislation dealing with income and employment, putting emphasis on work and

developing the individual, putting emphasis on developing dignity and

self-esteem of the individual, and again ensuring that individuals are given the

opportunity to develop themselves to a maximum, Mr. Speaker. That is so

important, to allow those kinds of things to develop in society, to allow for

people to develop themselves to their fullest potential. That is what our

programs, that is what our goals, envisage.

Mr. Speaker, something, though, has happened with respect to funding in this

Province in the last few years. I want to make that point. It is all very well

to talk about, we are not doing good enough in education, or that we do have

flaws in our health program.

Today, a lot of the members on the other side presented petitions to have

their roads done in their particular area, and so they should be done. I have

roads in my own district that I would like to get done. I have done a lot. We

have done a lot over the last number of years, but there is still a lot of work

to be done, because, while you are doing one road, another road has wear and

tear on that road. By the time you get a road done in a certain area, you need

to go back to another area. The same thing has happened with the Trans-Canada. I

digress for a moment on that.

Talking about the Trans-Canada, you know, we talk about deals in this

Province. I have often said - and I do not condemn the government of the day,

but Mr. Peckford's government who did the deal for the roads when we gave up

our railway. Do hon. members realize that contract is now over this year, the

deal for roads, and the roads that we started fifteen years ago need to be done

over again.

Honourable members talk about deterioration of the roads. That was the deal

that we got for the railway and now we need to do these roads over again. I have

always thought that was a bad deal. I always thought it was a bad deal from a

couple of aspects. I have always thought that road should have been a twin road

right across the Province. I believe that the federal government should still

have responsibility for the Trans-Canada Highway. We gave up a railway that was

losing money for the Province, that was losing money for the federal government

year after year, and I believe that in that contract there should have been a

provision for maintenance by the federal government.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LUSH: I believe that should have been in the contract. That should

have been in the deal, that there should have been provision for the federal

government to have a responsibility, shared with the Province - I do not believe

it should have been total - shared with the Province, because they were getting

not a bad deal. Giving up a loser, the railway. Giving up the railway that was a

loser, a perennial loser, I believe that they should have maintained some share,

some responsibility, in the maintenance of the Trans-Canada. Now it is the total

responsibility of the Province, and that is a big responsibility; a big

financial responsibility.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that the federal government should be more inclined to

look at the Trans-Canada. It is a part of the road system right across the

nation, and should also, of course, look into Labrador, but I am going to leave

that one for the moment. I wanted to talk about the funding that was brought to

my attention by the number of petitions presented by hon. members today for

roadwork in their own area.

Mr. Speaker, up until about the late 1980s, the federal government's share

of the provincial budget was around 50 per cent. Up to the 1980s it was 51 and a

bit. Fifty-one and a half per cent of the provincial budget came from the

federal government. In the 1990s it started going down, until now, this year, it

is 37 per cent of the provincial budget. Mr. Speaker, take 37 per cent of a

budget as opposed to 50 per cent and you would find a tremendous amount of money

missing from the provincial coffers, from the provincial Treasury.

I can tell hon. members, that if the federal government were still giving the

same proportion of money that they had been giving up until the mid-1990s, there

would be no deficit in this Province today. There would be no deficit in this

Province today if the federal government were giving their same share of money.

I say to hon. members, is it little wonder that since the late 1990s, that

they have been reducing and reducing, the money had to be taken from health care

and from education? When the federal government was reducing the money, reducing

their share, that meant the Province had to put in more, more in education, more

in health. Mr. Speaker, that is why we find ourselves today with a deficit of

$300 million, in that area. That is why we are talking about that kind of

deficit, because the Province had to put in the money that the federal

government was taking out.

Mr. Speaker, if the federal government were putting in the share in the

budget that they had been putting in up to the 1990s we would be able to pave

more roads, we would be able to pave some of the roads that hon. members were

asking for today, we would be able to put more money into health, we would be

able to put more money into education and more money into our social programs.

Madam Speaker, looking at the numbers of dollars that the federal government

have cut back, looking at that, I can't believe that the Province has such a

low deficit, when we look at all the monies that the federal government has

taken away over the past number of years. Hon. members try to make a lot out of

that. Where are we going to get the money? Where is the money coming from? Madam

Speaker, there is only one simple answer to that, where is the money coming

from. They don't want us to cut it from education. I am sure they wouldn't

agree with that. Is that going to be the plan, to cut the money from education,

to cut the money from health, to cut down on roadwork, to say we are going to

have no roadwork this year, to cut down on our social programs? Already, they

talk about the child poverty. Well, obviously we need more money in social

programs. They talk about our health care. We need more money in health. We do

not need less money in health; we need more. We do not need less money for our

social programs; we need more, because our people deserve more.

Madam Speaker, we need more money to provide the citizens of this Province

with a standard of living comparable to that in other parts of Canada.

Presently, that is not the circumstance. That is the basis on which equalization

is granted. That is the basis on which equalization is granted, so that we can

have a standard of living with a similar tax level that is comparable to the

rest of the country, and that is not happening.

Obviously, Madam Speaker, there is only one place for us to get the money.

There is only one place for Newfoundland and Labrador to get its money, and that

is from its natural resources. That is where the money must come from. We must

get a greater share from our natural resources.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. LUSH: We certainly hope so. We certainly hope so, because governments

with which he has been associated, the hon. member, are responsible for the

level of monies that we are getting from our natural resources, Madam Speaker.

That has to be our focus. I am not interested in blaming anybody. That is not

(inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. LUSH: That has to be our focus over the next little while. That has

to be the focus. That has to be the policy. That has to be the perspective. That

is where we have to narrow in on, getting more money from our natural resources.

Madam Speaker, that is going to be the focus of this government over the next

little while, ensuring that we are not exploited, that Newfoundland and Labrador

is getting more money from its natural resources, from its offshore oil, from

its minerals and from hydro development. That is where we have to get our money.

That has to be our focus. That is going to be the concentration of this

government over the next little while, trying to correct historical errors.

Trying to correct historical mistakes is one. It is an area we have to move in

on to ensure that this Province is getting its fair share. That is all we are

asking for. We are not asking for any more - that this Province gets its fair

share.

Madam Speaker, that has to be the focus. That has to be the concentration. I

say to hon. members opposite, that is what we plan to do in order to give the

people of this Province a standard of living in order to ensure that the people

of this Province have a standard of living that is comparable to other parts of

this country with the same and with reasonable levels of taxation. That is where

we are going. This is where this government plans to take us. That is the

concentration. That is the level and that is our policy. That is going to be our

effort in the next little while, to ensure that this Province is getting its

fair share from its natural resources. That is the only way to go. That is where

the money has to come from to fix the deficit. That is where the money has to

come from to put more money into education, more money into health, more money

into all of our social programs, and we are going to do our best, Madam Speaker,

to ensure that policy is pursued.

Thank you very much.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MADAM SPEAKER (M. Hodder): The hon. the Member for St. John's West.

MS S. OSBORNE: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

It is my pleasure to stand up today and give some remarks on this

non-confidence motion, and I would like to refer to some of the remarks that

were made during the Budget Speech and also during the non-confidence motion.

We had the Member for Gander speaking about how they are working for victims

of violence and they have approved transition house transportation up front, and

that is commendable, Madam Speaker, it really is, but women cannot live in

transition houses all of their lives, and we have known of fatalities and

sadness that happened in the community by women whose spouses had peace bonds

put on them, and these same women had been in transition houses and, as I said,

could not live there for the rest of their lives, and then moved back into their

home into the community, reported to the police what was happening, but

unfortunately, as in one instance that I know, a woman was murdered by the

spouse who was making threats and stalking her but the resources were not in

place. So, it looks very good on paper but if we cannot put resources in place

to ensure that the laws that we have made are enacted and carried out, then what

good are the laws? They are not worth the paper they are written on. Women whose

lives are in danger cannot live in transition houses for all of their lives.

Members opposite referred to support and employment for persons with

disabilities. Yes, there are supports and there are some employment for people

with disabilities, but, at the same time, caregivers for the people with the

disabilities have had their respite cut drastically. Places have been closed.

The Pre-Vocational Training Centre on Topsail Road was closed, and it was

suggested that the people go out and get involved in programs in the community.

As far as I know, and I stand to be corrected, most of the people who were going

to the Pre-Vocational Training Centre are now out having just respite during the

day. There are very, very few programs out in the communities with them.

Members referred to the extra money that families were getting. While that

may be so, we know the record of people living in poverty. We know that the

children's poverty rate is rising in this Province, much to our shame. I did

not hear anything mentioned about single employable adults who are expected to

live, if they are living with relatives, at a $128 a month, and if they are not

living with relatives, the total amount of money that a single employable adult

receives is less than $200. Now, make no wonder we have people who are living in

slums and living in places that are dangerous for their lives.

Last Wednesday, when I put forth a private member's motion that the

government pick up $30,000 for the School Lunch Program so that 3,000 children

could take advantage of hot meals for the month of June, there was political

posturing. The government did, in fact, do what was said in the resolution. The

members opposite know that we cannot request money in a private member's

motion, but I asked that the government see to it that the lunch program was

kept going and they did that. How? By going into next year's budget for that

school lunch program. What that school lunch program asked for here in this

House of Assembly was what this government spent in one week in advertising

themselves. Thirty thousand dollars - in promoting themselves - is what the

people for the school lunch program asked for to provide meals for 3,000

children for the month of June. This government advanced the money from next

year's budget, so that they go into September with only $25,000 instead of

$75,000. Pure political posturing on the part of this government.

Reference was also made to the social assistance caseloads declining, and

well they may be, but how many people have left our Province? The people who

have left the Province are the people who were on social assistance and they

left to get jobs. That is one way to get the caseloads to decline, have our

people out-migrate.

The Government House Leader got up and spoke about the declining money from

Ottawa. With each person that leaves our Province the amount of money that we

get from Ottawa declines. The former Premier saw to that when he signed the

equalization program. He is the one who signed it, that we receive it on a per

capita basis, knowing that our population was declining. So make no wonder they

are receiving less money from Ottawa.

Ministers got up and spoke about the amount of money in the health care

budget. Well, the health care budget has risen since 1997, but in 1997 it was

the Department of Health and the Department of Social Services. That combined

budget was $1.3 billion. Then in 1998, when Community Services went over to

Health, the social assistance budget declined and the Department of Health and

Community Services went up. So, basically, we are shifting the money on paper,

but it looks like the Department of Health's budget has gone up. It has gone

up somewhat, there is no disputing that, but not at the rate this government

would like people to believe that it has. When they took Community Services out

of the Department of Social Services and put it in with Health, then some of the

budget from the Department of Social Services went over to the Department of

Health as well.

The Member for Gander also referred to the health boards and the job they are

doing in balancing their budget, but they are balancing their budget on the

backs of people. In the past couple of years, I have had people make

representation to me - people who were in hospital, and their families would

call me. There was one disabled gentleman in hospital. He knew that he was

dying, a very young man, and he wanted to go home to die. The bureaucracy that

man had to go though. They barely got him home to his house - granted, his dying

wish was to go home to his house to die - because of the cuts in home care and

his ability to access home care, or his family's ability to access home care

on his behalf, so that he could go home to die.

They get up and paint such a rosy picture of what they are doing for the

people out here - budgets are being balanced and they are spending so much

money. Yes, they are spending money on promoting themselves and spending money

on entertaining themselves and their spouses while children are out there going

to school hungry.

Speaking of Health and Community Services Boards, I had another person, a

nurse, she knew she was dying and wanted to go home to her own house. Five hours

of home care a day at approximately $10 an hour, Madam Speaker, would have done

it for her, but because there was a freeze on home care that woman was unable to

access $50 a day, but the government paid $700 or $800 a day for her to stay in

hospital and die in a hospital bed rather than home in her own bed. Now, what

are we saying? What are we doing for the people of this Province?

The government's own report, From the Ground Up - and I am not sure how

reliable this is. I do not even know but the statistics, the figures in this are

probably worse.

MR. H. HODDER: They are two years old.

MS S. OSBORNE: They are two years old, my colleague from Waterford Valley

has informed me. Yes, they are two years old. Not only are they two years old,

but how many two-parent families were polled in this? How many of them were

single-parent families? The polling was done by telephone. How many people are

out there living in far worse conditions but could not be accessed because they

probably did not have a telephone? How many of those people are out there? In

any case, the figures come in and they show that the number of children under

age eighteen living in this Province has declined by 30 per cent since 1991, but

the number of children living in poverty has not declined at the same rate.

Based on before tax income, 26 per cent of children were living in poverty in

the year 2000, up from 21 per cent in 1991.

While the government will get up and say they are doing their best, it is

based on their ability to pay - and they are touting how Moody's has given us

such a credit rating. Talk to the children who go to school with an empty lunch

box every morning, or talk to the parents who have to keep their children home

from school because they are embarrassed that they do not have lunch to give

them. Tell them about Moody's. Tell the 26 per cent of the children in this

Province who are living in poverty about Moody's. See how interested they are

in that.

The Minister of Finance refers to the glass being half full or half empty.

There are people in this Province - I would like to say, Madam Speaker - who

have nothing in their glass and nothing in their cupboards to put in their glass

or on their plates either. Tell them about Moody's. Tell those people when

they open their cupboard doors and there is no food there, or they open their

refrigerators and there is no food there. Tell them about glasses that are half

full or half empty, or totally empty as is the case with many of the people in

this Province. Most Newfoundlanders and Labradorians say they have never gone

without food. Ten percent say they worry about not having enough to eat. Tell

the 10 per cent of the residents of this Province who worry that they do not

have enough to eat, tell them about Moody's, Madam Speaker.

This government has been in power for fifteen years now, almost fifteen

years.

AN HON. MEMBER: Fourteen year.

MS S. OSBORNE: Fourteen years. I would like to give a few points on some

of the highlights of that fifteen years.

They delayed the creation of a Child and Youth Advocate for almost a decade

after a parliamentary committee laid out in detail exactly how to do it and why

doing it was so critical.

It took a lot for them to re-establish the Ombudsman's Office, more than a

decade after they themselves eliminated, with the current Premier, voting in

favour of its elimination. That is part of their fifteen year record, Madam

Speaker.

They oversaw an increase in Memorial University's tuition fees to 350 per

cent of their 1989 value before they realized, more than a decade later, that

tuition fees were too high and might have something to do with the ridiculous

increase in student and graduate debt levels and all the hardships that those

debt levels bring. Now they can get up and say that they have reduced tuition or

that we have among the lowest tuition, but they themselves raised that tuition

to 350 per cent of the 1989 value. I guess it is easy to lower it when you have

raised it to such an extent.

This same government, in their almost fifteen years, has left public service

pensioners off the group it set up to manage the Public Service Pension Plan.

That, I guess, speaks volumes of what that government feels of the senior

citizens and their pensioners in this Province.

They insured vehicles twice and made countless other sloppy administrative

errors, the Auditor General identifies, that cost the taxpayers considerable

sums. They have wasted hundreds of thousands of public dollars sending ministers

and their spouses on jaunts around the globe doing business that in so many

cases could be done by telephone, fax and e-mail without the lofty hotel rooms

and the fine dining expenses.

It took a lot of planning for the Liberals, in this case the Premier, to head

to a First Ministers' Conference promising to stonewall on a health funding

agreement unless Newfoundland and Labrador's equalization concerns were

addressed, a bazaar position to begin with, and then to back down leaving the

Province looking weak and not too bright.

The Premier, as well, brought in an equalization proposal to the Prime

Minister and walked away claiming victory, only to have the Prime Minister's

office issue a news release saying that the same Premier had completely

understood what the Prime Minister had said. That is part of the fourteen year

record, Mr. Speaker, -

AN HON. MEMBER: You mean misunderstood what the Prime Minister had said.

MS S. OSBORNE: Misunderstood what the Prime Minister had said, yes.

It took a lot of planning in the fourteen years to maintain the highest

unemployment rate in the country even when we are the economic growth hotbed of

the country for years running.

This same government has allowed health board deficits to go completely out

of control until more than midway through the fiscal year when reigning them in

meant cutting twice as deep. I refer to the home care freeze and the respite

cuts, et cetera, and the mismanagement of the health care dollar by leaving

patients in hospital at $700 or $800 a day and in one case, I remember, leaving

a person in the Intensive Care Unit at $1,200, $1,500, $1,800 a day - I am not

sure of the figure - when probably $150 a day of home care would have done it.

That is the kind of mismanagement that this government is getting on with, Madam

Speaker.

They have left the Province without adequate home care services or sufficient

home care beds, forcing the boards to place seniors in costly acute care beds

while line-ups for procedures continue. I have given examples of that, Madam

Speaker, and those couple of examples that I have given are just examples. They

are just scratching the surface of the mismanagement of this government.

They have left police officers without backup of trained, medical health

professionals who could help in a time of crisis, and, to our shame, we have

seen a couple of the residents of our Province who were killed by police

officers because there was not adequate backup, or because of the lack of

services out in the community.

It was very good, and it looked very politically correct, to

de-institutionalized people, and that is the correct thing to do,

de-institutionalize people and let them get out and live in the communities,

which are their communities, Madam Speaker. But, when we de-institutionalize

them, and as they go through the door of the institution, we close the door

behind them and don't put the resources into the community to see to it that

they can sustain themselves in the community. Unfortunately, because of these

lack of resources, tragedies will occur, and we have seen those tragedies.

Just recently, a young man went into the Waterford Hospital looking for help.

There was a near fatality as well in that instance because, for whatever reason,

looking at the bottom line, the resources were not there to help that gentleman,

and there was a very unfortunate incident as a result of that as well.

On that as well, a couple of years ago in this House of Assembly it was

brought up by this Opposition that we should provide a place in the community

other than the lock-up so that our people, who are experiencing some

misfortunate because of their mental illness, can be bought to a safe and

comfort place rather than being brought to the lock-up waiting for an

assessment. That idea was scoffed at. What? Put them back into the Waterford? Do

you hear what the hon. member is saying? Put them back in the Waterford? No,

give them a place where they can go; a safe and comfortable place with at least

a bit of dignity.

Last year, not in the most recent budget but in the budget before that, the

government said that they would allow $800,000 for the renovation of the

Waterford Hospital, and I understood that was supposed to be ready by some time

in the fall. I think that probably - I do not know how fast the construction or

the renovations are going in there, but I understand now, and I stand to be

correct on that, that it may not be available this fall after all, which is most

unfortunate.

The same Liberal government has announced public health forums for the

public, and then they have left them closed to the public. They were by

invitation only. I received an invitation to such a public health forum, to go

there on behalf of my constituents, and I was not allowed to speak. So that is

the kind of public health forum, that is the kind of openness, that this

government is - that is obviously the way they operate, to have public health

forums -

AN HON. MEMBER: That is openness and transparency.

MS S. OSBORNE: That is openness and transparency.

Selective people there were allowed to speak. Anybody couldn't just go. I

was fortunate enough to get an invitation to go, but just to observe, and my

colleagues the same way. Any of us who went to those public health forums

discussing the public health of the residents of this Province, of the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador -

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MS S. OSBORNE: The public were not invited. Only those invited to speak

were allowed to speak.

This same government that is proposing wellness and well-being for the

residents of Newfoundland and Labrador also announced a cut in physical

education. They also announced cuts in music and art in the primary school, and

that move angered one prominent educator so much that she resigned in protest.

Then, this same government reversed the decision and claimed they never made it

in the first place. This is what we have been dealing with, Madam Speaker. This

is the record of this government for the fourteen years that they have been in.

The current Premier, when he was Education Minister, abruptly announced that

the public exam marketing board would be eliminated and teachers would have to

correct the exams. The only problem is that he neglected to mention this to the

teachers before he announced it. The teachers refused, so then he abruptly

cancelled public exams just before they were scheduled, throwing students lives

and careers in jeopardy. Faith in the public exam process has never quite

recovered from that instance of Liberal planning. That is all part of this, the

fourteen years, of this Liberal government, Madam Speaker.

Once again, I will repeat - and I cannot repeat this enough - that this

particular government has maintained, one record that they have maintained, is

the highest child poverty rate in the country. We can get up and say we are

first in this and we are first in that, but we should hang our heads in shame.

MADAM SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time is up.

MS S. OSBORNE: By leave, Madam Speaker?

MADAM SPEAKER: Does the hon. member have leave?

PREMIER GRIMES: Ten seconds.

MS S. OSBORNE: Ten seconds. The Premier has given me ten seconds. I hope

some time that I can be just as generous, Mr. Premier.

It took a lot of planning for the Liberals to announce a three-year income

tax cut, as we had recommended, boast that the plan was actually stimulating the

economy, as we had predicted, and then cancel the third year saying that it was

unaffordable.

Now that the Premier has given me just ten seconds to clue up, so that I do

not want to be abruptly cut in the middle of a sentence, thank you very much,

Madam Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MADAM SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MR. HARRIS: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

I would like to participate, and I am pleased to participate, in the debate

on the non-confidence motion arising from the Budget motion, which is a

traditional motion. We have had one every year since I have been here. I have

not seen one pass yet, but maybe this year will be an exception, looking at the

numbers across the way in their seats at the moment. Maybe this year will be an

exception, if it is brought to a quick vote, but I am not sure whether that is

going to be the case, if they will bring in the members for that vote. I do want

to say a few words in this debate, because it is a debate on the general

budgetary policy of the government.

I noticed the Premier in the House today taking advantage of a question from

the Member for Ferryland on the issue of incomes in the Province and GDP and

various other economic indicators. The Premier took pains to point out that he

thought this was a remarkable achievement that the per capita debt or per capita

borrowing by individuals in the Province was the lowest in Canada; that the

individual debt, the burden on families, was the lowest in Canada. This was

somehow an economic achievement of his government.

Mr. Speaker, the sad fact of the matter is, the reason that the debt of

individuals in this Province isn't higher is probably because they do not have

access to the loans. It is probably because the banks will not lend them the

money, Madam Speaker. Because, if you look across the country, the places with

the highest (inaudible) are the people with the most money, because everyone

knows that banks will only give you money if you already have money. If you

already have money, the banks would be happy to give you money.

The Minister of Forest Resources and Agrifoods knows that. He farmed for

years, and I do not think the banks went to him: Mr. Woodford, here is some

money. I know you do not have any money. You are a struggling farmer. You are

trying to make a living. Here is a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Here is a

couple of hundred thousand dollars, go and farm. Go ahead and do business.

I do not think so. I think they waited until he had some money. Then the bank

managers phoned up and said: Mr. Woodford, would you like to borrow some money?

Because they knew he was in a position to pay it back, and everyone knows that

is the way the banks work. That is why the per capita debt of individuals, not

per capita government borrowing but the per capita debt of individuals, is so

high in this Province.

In fact, Madam Speaker, according to figures released by St

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