Volume XL . Tuesday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 68 5 Jul y 1 988

ThE• House mE!t at 2:00p.m . MR. SPFAKER (McNicholas): Or·dt'!t', plc,1aSt:1! Statements by Ministers MR . BARRETT: M1~ . Speaker· . MR. SPfAKER : The han. the Mln.lster of Development and Tourism. Mf~. BARRETT: Mr. Speaker, the provincial government and Memorial Un:iversi ty have today embarked on a program which will have far reaching "i.mplications for· the c;!conomic development of our Province.

I am pleas ed to announce to the House that government wilJ provide $500,000 to Memor'i.dl Unlver• sl t.y over the next two years to fund a secr·etar· i.a ·l: i:o over· seo r.ht .;~ .irupJ ementatj on of the Oceans 2000 p;"oj ec 1'..

Oceans 2000 .l.s a pr·opo ~;t:ll bi;'I St~ d or1 three vi tal facts: First, fu I.IH't~ 8 c:onoul.i . c d e v: ~lo pm e n 1: 1~ri .ll depend g r· eat 1 y on t e c h no 1 o g i c a 1 ad vancP.IIl8ni'., sc?.cond.l.y, a n0w goneratjon of dedicated scientists and <:~ng :i.tH iler·s tAli l.J. hav e~ to be ~ trained to undertake this l.:echno1o~::Jlcal develop1nen 1:, and, thirdly, in Newfoundland, trainj ng and tec hnolog ical lnnovatton sho uJd concentrate on the oceans and marin e i.n dt.Js tr·ies I1Jher e we enjoy many natural advantag es ar1d have a pos iti ve hea d start in terms of natior1al and international recognition.

Oceans facts I:: hem 1. 3 B B B 2000 recognizes these and proposE:~s to tr·ansJ.at:E> i.nto aci:.Lon. nw pr·ogr·arn Ju.ly ri, L9ilH uo ·l X I S(·H1ks to bui.ld the knowledgE! base 1.: hat: I!J :i.l J l::!dd l:o gr't=!at :e r prosperity and job crE!aU.on l.hJ"ouy h Uw Fo:l l.OIAI'i.nq pr·opoSE!d init.iatiVE!S: to E!St.ablish a n a -1: ·.i. o n a .l c I'! 1·1 I: r· (·~ f o r· o c e a l'b stud :i e s , -· to E:~ ducat E! a n E!tAI g rHH~ i" a 1:: i. o n of h '.i. g h l y q u a l i. f i. c· d rn n n nnd WOI'fHHl fr·om our· ProvincE•, -· to apply !; c i. ::• n l:.i. f·i. c and i.t~ c h no log :i. cell solutions to enhance the Pl"ofi. i:ab.i.l. i.1·y of L~rdd:i. t·i.ona 1. marine industries including Uw f ·.i. ~ her· 1J , o .i. l A n d g <.~ s , communications and marine transportation, - to foster the growth of newer ocean-based :industrlc'!S and promote Uw deve]opment of new marine-related products and processes, - to increaSE! thE! awarenE!SS of the commercial and industrial opportunities arising from the expl.o.i.tat i.on of Canada's occ::1ans.

Mr. Speaker, the Oceans 2000 COtJCl~p t :i.l.lu s l:r·a u~ ., hOIAI A·l: lan+: oi. c Canada, and Newfoundland in p a r' t ·. i c u l. a r' , c d n s p o n s o r· a d r i v E.' tot.1.1ards E:1conomi.c prosperity :into i".h:~ nH>< I·. C: '!l'l l:Ul"IJ t:hr·ough knowledge, the application of c~xpr~r·l:i .sr~, and expJ.o:i .l.:ai · .. i.on of our oce:1an rE!Sources .

In my personal view, Oceans 2000 .i.!> otH~ of t:hr~ mo~;l: s:i.grdFi.cant and important projE!Cts E!Ver undE!rtaken coopi'!J"al::i .vol.y by goVE!t'rnnenl:. and the university in this Provjnce. 1.: l: J s <Hl am b L t i o u s u I' Hi E'! r t. a k .i n g of Memorial desjgned to focus atLE!l'l-l:i .on on the:! PconoJn·:i.c potential of our ocean e n v i. r o nrn e n t . ·r h :i. s p r· o j e c t. tAd 11 not only enhance the capability and inl:.ernational reputation oF Memorial University, but at its essence lt wlll enhance economic dE!VE!lOpiTlE!nt in NelAifoundJ.and and Labr·ador.

And, Oceans 2000 will become an Nn () g i'\3 B fl 8

in ·t-egra1 cornponE!nt. of the strategy L:o es l:.abl .i.s h th i.s P r· o v .i n c P. as a 1 Cc->.ntr·e of ExcellE!nce 1 in marine-related development . n->.secH'Ch and Oceans 2000 proposes the investment of approximately $850 mil1ion in government and private sector fund'l.ng over the next ten years in a concerted effort to pos'it'l.on thi.s ProvincE:~, this region and this country as a tAiorld leader ln ocean studies and enterprisE:~ . 0 v E! r t h e n ~;:~ x 1: I. n n y e a t' s , s ::;! v e r· a .l. hundr·r;!dS oF trtJ11. ions oF dol.lar·s i.n additional funding will a1so be 1.

E! v e r •'~ d f r· o m -1:. h e p r· .i. v i:l I. r~ s ~-:~ c to r· for· JnvestnJE!nt in the numE:~rous connn•~r·cial oppor·tunl.i.Hs l:hal: uJ Lirndtely t..vill evolve from J"(:!sear·ch and dC:!Vr~Jopmenl·. init'iat'iv~;:'S fostered under· Oceans 2000 . l he p o 1.: en l.i. a J. e con om i. c s p J nor F s from this initiaU .ve · are substantial.

This est·i.mated expenditure in the next decadE! of well over a billion dollars 'in public and private money will bring employment for scientists, for engineers and a host of others engaged in perfecting, manufacturing and marketing those products and concepts which will grow from the pure research supportc;!d under l:h:Ls pr·ograw. The success of Oceans 2000 will great1y enhance the scientific capabi.l.ity of ME!JTtor··i.al l.ln:i.vr ,~t"s :H:y, but t.he project goes tAiell bE:1yond thf:1 bordor ·s oF Uw IHLi.vN· s i.ty and, in Fctct, thE:~ Pr·ov:incE!.

In effect, IJw Oceans 2000 pl'opos cd i.s a Cc.tn<:tdiiHI ::ird.t.iat:iVE:1, CE!nterE!d in 1\lt~IAJI-oundl.dnd, '~li .l-h fal" ?'P.aching jrnplicaUons for· the training of flti:.UJ"( :! Cancldi .an sc.i.r,1nl .i.s1:s, and HtE' p1"ovj sion of scientific 1.3 889 J 111 y s, '1. '}sa \JoJ XI . suppor·t staff that w:i.l. 1 be r· e q u .i. r· C:! d by l:hE! p r·i v Ed:(,~ sE:~ct o r well into thE! next Century.

With the provision of this funding for the secretariat the prov'incial governrnE!nt is, in effect, star·ting the Lr:'n year proce ss outlined under the Oceans 2000 proposal and confir·rwi.ng our 1 ong --tE!rtn commitment to research and dE!VE!lOptnE!nt, <:Hld t.he cr·eal·:.ion of new cornrnE•rc:ial opportuni-U.E!S based on tP.chnol.og'.'i.cal devel.oprn(->.nl- .s for marine industries. GolJ e I' rHn•Hll: n>. cog n.l.

ZE! s Oceans 2000 a~; a bol.d, neiAI st.J"ai:l'~gy for· economic development, and we are dt:!l.Jghl .od l~o bH abl.o to participate on the ground floor 1~ri.l:h Uri.s :i.n_Ll·.i.d.l Fundi .ng for • l::hE• sec rE:'tarict t. The provincial Cabi.nE! t Conmdt t.eo 0 n ~~ (c' !) (! r:lt' c h d n d

I) c.:• v e 1. () p Jrl f~ n -1-: has b.een fuJ.ly bdpfed on t:he natur·E:~ and purpos n of i:h.i .s pr·oj E!C t:, and we ar·e excite!d about thE! potentia} .i 1: I' c,, p r E! s e n t s f o r t h e P r· o v i n c e . And, government wilJ. continue to LliOrk coop~;:~rati.v( :!l.y tAd.lh officials at ME!rnoriaJ. Lltd.vE•rsity to a.ggrE!s s·.i.vely pursue thE· Oceans 2000 project. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear·! MR. BAKER : Mr . Speaker . Mf~ . SPEAKER : rhc~ hon. i:.hf~ tnC'!fiii:Jc!l' ' for· Gand('!r _ MR . SAKER : Thank you, Mr. Speaker .

We are pleased go lJ C! ;·· n rr 1 t:! n i: h a s rrdllion dollars, lo see that lh e announced a half over the next tw o y 0 d i" !) ' f [) t' Mf'!TTIOri.al to l:h is ftJnd a von l: '·' r· e l.kl it·. h SE!CI"'E!tiH'lat to No . (iH R:->, <l 89

oversee the implementation of this project. It is arnazing, Lhough, i:o Sef:~ how, just before an election, this governtncnlt i:roi :s aLit: i:he obv i.Otls and pr oposes it as brand new ldei:ls , and r r'8fer, t'\llt··. !)pr~aker· , to the fact that we need tcdmoJ.og i.cdl r.ldvdnce menl :. Aruazing! The minister is finally r· u ,:~_ l. -.i. z i. n g U·1 d 1. 'A new generation of dedicated ~cl.entists and engineers tJJJll haVE! l.:o be tr·a LnE!d L:o uncler·takr'! l:.h j s technological dE!Veloprnent .' What an atnazing conclusion .

And, 'In NE•tJJfound1and 1.1.Je should concentrate on ocean and marine industries where we enjoy man y natural advantages and have a head start in terms of national and international recognition. 1 Anoth er amazing fact t:hat the minister has come up with. tn hi.s sl:ate1nenl:, the tni.nlster· has turned a half mil lion dollar tnves l:rnenl: over t.r.vo year·s tnto n1ore than a billion.

He has $850 m·i.l.1 i.on gotJ er·ntnenl : 111on ey. ~18 has not j ndicated where this is corni ng l'ro111, or 1~1h at k i .n d of c:ornmi.i :mcni : HtE:!r<.-'l js for this $850 rniJlion, plus hundt 'c ds of oi:htH' ur l.ll.i .ons of dollars from the private sector, bri .ng i ng l:hc~ tol:ril ov0 r t·.h0 next 'L~n years to well over a billion doll .cH's Uld 1: i.s go in g ·t·.o b8 spent . I say to the minister, I hop0 th.ls happens.

I atn k.i.nd of suspici.oqs thai : jrJst before an election this kind of thi .ng ls trol.:l:ed Ot)t. t remi.nd the minister that he has had an offshore development fund sii:t i.ng there for three ye !ars now. In the firs t year he tAla s s t r •J g g 1-L n g to find ways to spend money, and ·there t.~.Jas money lef f: there, t:hey 1.3890 July S, 1988 Uol XL were behind in the spE:!nd:i.ng. That IJ..Jds L:hE! t:"i.ITlf'! l:o i.n . .i.tial:e +:h:i.s. It is kind of latE:~ notJ.J. All thE!SE! Fa c 1: ~> l~le I" <o~ o b t) ·l o 1.1 s t h r· e E'! y <'! d r· s ago .

It is k:i.ncl of late to gE:!t a+:. 1·.hat- nOIJ.l. l SC:liJ l:o th0. lll'.ini.sh'•r· I certainly hope that this doe s co me 1.

r) f I"IJ .i. U . C) 1'1 . r h 0 1J n ·i.v P- r· s i. I. y h i!1 s gr own by leaps and bounds, and f> h o u 1. d b ~~ i'' r?. Go 9 n :i. z ~~ d for excellence in a field all over the '"'orJd, i:'lnd C0 i"i:a.i .nl.y i.l: i.s a1reCldy in terrns of ocE!an r'E!search . I am glad to SE!B that governm ent i s F :i. n a 11 . y rea ll z .i. n g t h a t 1: hi s is the direction in which we. have to go. We need to develop tec hnology ir.1 this Province, and we are i.deal1y sult ed fo r oc ea n re sea rch .

I hope that this is tnor·e than simply an announcement of $500,000 that the l government. hopes is going to be carrled in the press as an announcement of ovc ~r $1 b'llli.on. [h ope that this is a little more , that the rrrinister i.$ bei. ng a 1ll:i ·1e more straightforward than that. In c:onc:l .IJ!> 'l.on, fJir· . Speaker, congratulatjons on providing the morwy 1:o . sel : up l:he s0.crei ·.a rlai: to study this proposa1, but I hope l:here i.l> 'll l,o t·. HJor·e ac: i: Lon i:o L t than this $500,000. SOME HON. MEMBFRS : fl o i:l r' , h ~'! r.l r ! MR . FENWICK : Mr . Speaker . MR.

SPEAKER : The hon. the member for Menlhek . Mf~ . FENWICK: Thank you very much, Mr . Speaker . Mr. Speaker, yesterday we had a debate here on the economic indicators of the Province, the Pr'E:'rrtiet" pr·•~par·"i.ng a st.at.:e 1nent, and No . 68 R3890

r'r'! p l i.e~; f;·'ont bo lh 1: he o '1: her· offjciaJ partjes in the House. When IJJC addr·essc:•d our· C01tllllen1·.s on it, the ar'gUrnE•nt :r put fortJ.Jard t..uas 'Ale had to restructure~ out' E~conotny, we needed something different than jusl Lhe rE!SOut~cE:~ baSE!d economy "i.n order to euen out the cyclical business pr·obl~'-~tns that beset us year after year. M r' . S p e a k E:~ r , I '-'HI p 1 e a s E! d l: o s e e that this is the kind of lnit:.iaUue that sl.:at~ts address'ing that in the long tE:'rrn.

What OnE! of our' majcn· probl.E!l'IIS has been i.s that the out-migration, documented b y b o i:. h i:. he 1.. e ad E! r o f 1·: h c,~ 0 F f i. ci. a l Oppos~iUon (Mr·. Wells) and Stai:s Can ad a and s o on , i. s u s u a 11. y out-ntigration of the best pE!OplE:~ IAJI'::1 h au 0 go 1.: , t h 8 u n :i. u n r· s i. '1: y trainE!d people. MR. HAI~RF.TT : 1hat is not tr·ue. MR. F fNWICK: Y e s i. 1: i s , 1'. o a 1 a r· g e 0 x 1'. o n i' . ~'II e haue peoplE:~ tJ.Jho graduatE! from our uni.uE:~rs i.ty, and gradttai.:l:!S f;~olfl our technical schools and so on. MR. BARRF.Tf : That is incorrect. That is false . MR.

FENWICK : This initiative, Mr. Speaker, may go a certain distance towards providing additional employment - AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible). MR. FENWICK: Are you finished? Th .i.s .i.n.itiat 'i.IJP. 111ay gu a r:::!r'l:i,\i .n u1a y ·tout a r d s p r· ovid i n g t. he hi g h h'!Chnology k i.nd oi- ClltpJ.oytnnnL i:hdi: IAJE• nE!~~d for t.hE:~ graduates of our i_ns L.i. Lt! i. i.ow;. At Lht:! :;r"\l\11~ 1: i tnP, Mr·. Speaker, I should say t.hat.

I i.3 H9l July ':i, ·1qgg Vo] X 1. th·i nk ·Uwr'r~ i ~; a l:n·oach!i'' cJ·i.tnen!;·i .on to thE! kinds of things that can b\:• done with centres like this at Memorial Unjuersity. Not only shoi.tld .i.l: bE! ccHJCE•nt:rdt: i.ng on an ocean 1 s approach, a marine approach, but t:hE:•re <:n·e othE!r resources within the Province that are underdeveloped as well.

These also, I think, should be addressed by the sanw k-ind of CE!ntres approach that :is be:ing ear·rnRri<E!d hE!tne. [f IAJe t':!U('!ntua11y can produce the high quality 1·: r a :i. n e d p E! o p l E! a n d k e C'! p t h (! rn h E:! r' E'! , they eventually will provide the jobs, 'l:h,~y t..u·i.JJ. d:i.vE:'r·s ·i.

Fy our economy, thE!Y tAd] 1 giuE:~ us LhE~ k·i .nd of ftt'l:ur·e IAJI·wr0 our· pc,wpl.c:• can stay her!'! instE!ad of having to go l:'}Sf~IAJi'l!'!t''~;! i.n t:.hc COIII1i..r'y ·in order to seek work. 0 n t h a i: b d ~; .i. s , M I" , ~:) P ~=! d k l'~ In 1 i. 1: i ~:; Flue an excel1ent inJU.atiue. hundr':~d Lhou!;;·Hld dol.J.iH'S i.s jus 1·. a promise at this point, but hopcfl!lly .i.n tht~ fu Lur·c i l:. uri.l] accomplish the objE~C'l:iVE!S l:ha ·l: tht:. rn:i. n i. s 1: c:• r· h ,,. !; l r.1 J. d o u 1· For ·i L~ . MR. WARREN: Mr·. Sp(,~a k er. f'-1R.

SPEAKER: r he h on . the Mi . n i. s t: e r of Nor· t. h e r n Deuelopmr::~nt. MR. WARREN: Mr . Speaker, on many occasions in l::h·i. s hon. House of Ass e tTtb 1 y , I•.Jt?. pay tributE! to i ndiv:i.duaJ s lAlhO have conl:ri.bui:E!d l:o ou1" Pt~ov ·i.ncE! of Nei.AJfoundl and and Labrador. It is with pride and enthusiasm l:hai: l:oday r i'\Sk l:hi.s hon. Ho\.ISI'' to recogniZE! thE! Innu and Inuit. p J a y e r· ~; 0 r H 0 p (~ cl d l (:! ;<t n d

I) PI ~) i. s In1C'!t. IAJho, durjng l:h(;! past. '~IC!IC!!<fH1d, hdtJe dnrnon:;l·.r·. c'llo::·d thei.r distinct cultur·aJ. l~alE:H1'l:s jn ~31::. 1\Jo . (> n rnB9"1.

John's, with their three one-act plays. Mr.

Speakc ->.r, IAJhat is so spec iaJ. -i.s that !:ho se young performers reside in t:wo ·i.sol.aLE!d COlllll!Un'i.Li .e s, in Hopedale and Davis Inlet, which are appr 'ox.i.matel.y 1-ot'i:y 1n.i.l.es f i'Oin each othE:'r. and they had to travel by ski .. doo, dnd 11~;e l:ho l:P.l. c~ phone, in order to practice their res p f;! c: 1-. i. v e par 1·. s . r:: a c: h p l a y g :i. ll e s w: an j nsight into the hi stor'y and c: 1.1 J. 1:1.1 r o o·F L h t~ .T n n u (1 n d l n u i. ·1-. a n d j n t he i I'' f :i. n a 1 play , bo t h g r o u p s cornb .i.nn l.o SUHIIIkH'i..l.: ~ Lh(~i .r' sometimes turbuJent past and to C:!Xpr 'r~s~; Lhe pr' c~ sr=!nl: hat'Hlony I.I.Jh i.c:h t-hey not.~J share tArith each ot.hE:~r.

IL i.s appropr :i.al:e that as Cr1nada was celebrating its one hundred a n d t.:IAJ E! n "1: y -- f ·i r' s t. b -.i. 1n t. h d a y l.: h a t 1.: h C:! aboriginaJ people of labrador, through thosE~ YOIHlg pe ~!r'for'mE!rs, were expressing the important role that they have playE!d in Canada . These talented individuals E!XprE:~s sed the~~ "i.mpor tan c ~) of c-1l.l. of us to recognize that Canada is a country that we should be proud of and that every individual and/or group has an i.mporlant role to pJay in this country of ours . M r .

S p f.' a !<C! r' , i. 1-. i. s c: l. e a t' Fl' ' o rn L: h e exan1ple that . l:he se young people hdl)E! sel : l.:hoy rr.~ngu fi"OIII olevr.n to ~:ixtE~en year's of age~~- that it i. $ 11 0 i: rH ~! ( 0 S ~> iH' j J. y I~) h f:' r' r~ y 0 IJ J i. V I'! , l'·athel" j t :j s your wiJ 1 and am b i. t i. o n t o s u c r: 0. r~ d ••1 h · i. c h IAJ i. ll a J l OIA.' you t: o f u J f j J you r d u t. :i e s . r IAJO u -, d , Uw r' e f o r' I'! , l i. k P I o congratuJat e these young pc =~r for mer ~; and U1 r:! i. r rJ ire c: l:cH ' s, Mr '. RiJ] WhE>aton o·F Hopedale, and M r .

I. o u A y r' n e of D a 1)j , s In 'I E! 1: . SOME HON . MEMAERS : HE•ar. hE1ar! MR. HISCOCK : Mr. SpeakE ~r . i..3892 July 5, 1988 VoJ. XL MR. SPEAKER: The hon . t:h e mernb£ ->.ln for' Ectg lE ! R:lver . MR. HISCOCK : !"hank you, Mr . Speaker. Wit h regard to the statement by the Min iste r r es ponsible for Nor 't horn l)eve lop weni:, l.IM:l, on this si de, ar e please d to exten d our r:l)n gra l:t~lo-1 l:.i.ons l.o t:.he t.:t,~,Jo commu nities. and Mr. Bill Wheaton and M r' .

I . o u fl y I" n r" . nl. s (I • r i.lll il () ul!) ~, () f Shes hat.s h·i .l .. pr'ornot.<"! t:hE! u ~· J. n g 1.: h ('! -i_ r l:o kE!E'P t h E;!j In has done a lot to nat -L v e c: tJ 11-. u r' (~ , by plays as a vehiclE• culture going. We are not sur prised on this slde. in particul ar my self, at the !:ale nt that is on Coastal Labrador . And the inte grated fes li. val , t.he hi gh sc hool festival the y hav e in Goose Bay each year. the maj or it y of the coastal communi tie s g o i n thE:re and ·take par t. So there i.s a J.ot of tal ent, Mr. Spe ak er I on the Coast of Labr'ador' .

I arn pJ eased to sE:'E' thE:~ Innu and lnnui .-1: pJay( '!r's fr' OIIJ 1-iopE!dalE! and Davis Inle 1t do ~;o weJ.l, i.'~nd al so l: h t:! R d 11 l. I: i:1 c1 : 01' ' s d n d d c i: In E! S s (o! S from Nain .

We, on thjs side , are a J.:itt le bit Up l;e I I l:hcmgh, 1~1 .i.l :h i"eyr.~rd l:o the Ca ro l P layers who IAJE'I"e successful het'0 i.n l:he l)rr.lma Fesl :'i.v·'l1 carried av.Jay all the awards - but cann ol : .::tl :l:::tnd l.he nai .ional festi val in Ha lifax because prov:i.n c "i.a J. i'\nd fed e r~ J. gov e rn rne n 1-.s will no t give them any funding. beca use 110 pr ogr aw h~o~s bee n allocat ed . I as k the PrE! rnj.er and hts Ministe r of Culture, who happens to be in Europe now on holiday, I bel .'i.ev(~, that: t:h ey 'takl= ! N o. 68 R3892

a look <:J.L r::i 11d $3ooo P 1 '-" y ::! r' s . U1 I'! i. cl::! a fu nd:i ng oF r= 0 In 1.t'Y i ng 1o t:he C<H'ol ~,J ·il-.h r'r:!gi'll"d i·.o so.l :Li.ng up ptnograms, it is not good enough, Mr. SpE!ak~'r, -1-.o just haiJP. our lnnu atJd our Innuit come ·to St. John's a n d c o m p e 1:. e , "' n d tAl h E! n t h C:! y '"Ji. n o n the provincial level and have a chanc<~ l:o go on to l::hE! nat.iona.l level, there is no funding for thr:~rn. or for· any ot1·1r:~r groups :in this Province. I hope this government will address this is sue , that once t 1·1 E! y win at the provi.nci.aJ. level i'.lnd l::hE!n haVE!

Lo go on to the national leVE!l, then t h co~ y tAri. l 1. r :i. n d r:~ x l·: r a f u n d i. n g . Thank you, Mr. Speaker. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hc;!iH'! MR. SPEAKER : Order, please! MR. FENWICK: Mr . Speaker. MR . SPEAI<F.R : rho hon. i·.he member· for· Men i.lwk. MR . FF.NWTCK : Mr. Speaker, I am quite pleased to see the Minister of Northern Development (Mr·. WarrE!

n) bring for·t.•.Jard thi .s sl: .a.l:etnE!nt. The M~Lni.s l':E:'r of NorthE:!r'n DE!VE!loptnE~nt and I both had the distinct pleasurE:~ of be-Lng ablE:' l:o sCo!e UH'! thr·ee perfor•manCE!S, and I can assur'E'! mco~mbers of !::he House that if they missed it they missed q u i 1:: e a n a c c o 1 n p ].'i. s h rn e n L: . r h a v e a 1 s o h ad l h E! p r i. lJ ·i_ l E! g E! , j_ n thE• past, of SE'!Edng the high school. dra11ta fes ti_,JaJs , U1e one tha l.- uJas hE•] d in ClarenviJ.le about f"i.FI·:ecn mont_hs t:·1go, dnd to see th~~ dc,'VPlopment. p R r -1: i.

C I 11. i:H' i-l C i: i 1'1 g IT 0 0 p I 3 B 9 3 Ju ly S, 1988 it i,!; n i CP that. t.his i :; m.:~ !d . ng, V o ] X I. no1~1 ~·;or ·l: of a cotnbi,nc~d orw. T think IAJhat l:l'l(o~ Minist:E!r or Nor·1: her·n De tJ e lo pw~n 1·. probi!l b l y d·id not emphasize as much, bE!Cause it i. s b :'! c om i. n 9 rn o t' 8 1·. h u ;~ 1 tl E:~ 1.: h a n t: h C'! exception, is the extraord ~l.nar ·y co-opP.I"a·l::·i.on lhi'\1: .i.s noiJ.J occur·r·-.:i .nq bE!hueen an Innuit SE!ttlernE'!tlt of llopedale and an tnnu sot:U.E!Ifl~>.nt : of Davis InJ.et.

This is a rE'ITicH'kab]e degrE!C'! o·f co--op~~r·cl'l.:·ion For pE:!Oples who, in the past, have not aJtAJays bE>.EH1 ab l.E! l.:o get a1o ng as t.ue 11 as perhaps thE!Y might have J.:i.kE!d to, and I th ink t:he fact that the young pr:wpJ.E! of thesE! cornrnun:i.UE!S r.1re g~'l:U.ng together, IAJor·ldng on a joint accomplishment and doing exl::rem(:!ll) IAJE!l.l a-1.: i.l-: , g~i.ves l:hE'!ITl the confidence to, hopefully in the Fu1·.ure, be abl.C:! to deVE!lop t::-1-1(~ Torngat Mountains d:ist::rict . and UH'!

Northern Coa~; 1: of l.abr '<:·\clor· ·i.n a mannr:~r that will bE~ to thE!ir· ~~l.l:·i.mal:e b::!s1: i.nl:eresl:. I jojn wi th the min iste r jn say ing brav o 1 l:o l:h i.~ acl. i.ng i:t·ou pe, t11e Innu/Innuit, which is Pl" o bab ly on e of !:he 1no sl: r.lc: compl .-i.:d lecl, n o l~ jus l: in Labrador, Mr . Speak er, bec au se i.l. al.t~Jr.ly !; 1.ui .ns l·.ho 1-est ·i.IJi~J. ther 'C'1, but throughout the entire P t' o lJ i_ n c e , b E! c a u s r:! :i. 1: cl o E:! ~; tAle ll a L the provincial festival as well. Oral Questions MR. W . CARTER: Mr. Speaker . MR.

SPEAKER : rhe hon. 1: hE• lrlt:!rrtbet" For TtJ.JiJlingate . Mf,. W. CARTER: My quesi.ion goe~; of Fisheries (Mr . 1-o tho Mi.nistYr' Rideout). Mr. Speaker, --r· h u r· :; day , l· h (! No. 6 il on Ju l1E! 1wi.n i.~; Lnr· 30, 1CJ.s 1: i ncJ··i cai :c:!d r~ 3 a 9 3

:i n t: h e H o u s e , !AI h c;! n h r:~ r· c,~ p l. i e d 1:. o a question put to hirn, that a new cap lin f:lshE!ry tAIOuld be annotlnCE!d, I believe he sa:id Lid thin hours, to accommodate a market that had been found for 4,000 or 5,000 metric t.ons of capl.in i.n Chtna, ;"'nd probably other places as well. T wonder can the minister tell the I ·I o 1.1 s E! tAl h EH1 tAH~ c a n E! x p r~ c 1: 1:1'1 ''-' t announcE!mE~nt? MR. ~PF(.)KFR : ThP hon . the M:il'tisl::et" of F:ishr:'r'ies . Ml~. fUOFOI.IT: Today, Mr. Speaker . MR. W. CARTER: A suppl.t::tnr~nl.:ar ·y, Mr ·. Spr:~akr,-r· . MR .

SPEAKFR: A supplr:'mentary, the hon . the lllEHTtber for· Tu.ri lltnga i·e . r.,R. W. CARTF.:R: Mr. Speake:1r I then will the:1 m :i. n i . s t e r 1: e 11 t he H o u s e w h a t t.~d ll. be the extent of the season? How many tons of capJ.-in w:il.l bE:1 allowed to be harvested? MR. SPFAKER : rhe han. l:he M-i.ni.ster· of Fi.she:1r-i .E:S . MR. RIDEOUT: Yes, Mr.

Sp0r.~l<er, l~ he fi .r·s 1: l:.hJ.ng J L\ran-t to address j n relation to that srJ!:>plf.!rnonUH'Y qt .r0:>i. ion, havj rrg arrswer·ed dj r·ectly the first q u t~ s ·1: i. on , i. :; 1·. he c: on c: e t· n :; r:•xpr·e~~sE:d ovE:r· the last fetAl hours by l:.hl~ hon. g~::nt:l.c::tndn 01nd ol-.hc:::t· ·:; about ptnoduction OVE!rrun irt thE• c a p 1. i. n f i. s h r:: r· y i.: h i. ~; y e ;'lt' . 1 1~1as lJC:t'Y :;tJrpr ·i.sed, all.:hough T do not krtot.l.l if it tAif.lS the:' lack of k n ot.~J l. e cl g e or Uw l i.'l c k of r o. so. r.tl" c h or not caring or whatever - I have not: had a ch(oll'lcr:: l:.o check llansa1~d from yesterday because they are L.3H94 July 5, 19BB Vol.

X I. not available yet, but I understand the y will be shortly and 1 wil l be do in g that - to hear the han. gentleman last night sayi .ng th f'lt all. of the overproduction occu rr ed in White Ray in the minister 1 s district, and while he was not assigning any moh . ve s l:o i:ha t, i.l: rAJas pr e 1: ty clt?.ar· that I had somehow or other t:·i.n!<f:!r 'r-:! d arotwd ,.,i .i":h t.he management plan for caplin, wh ich c a 11 :; ~~ d 1: h ~~~ o v e r p r· o d u c 1.: :J.

r) n i. n W hi l: e R.:-1y. Mr. Speaker, let me tell the House r.'1nd I: he ~ hon . 9 en 1: l.Gma n l:ha 1: bo l:h gear sectors in White Bay, the f·i.x ed g 8r.tr .;Utd the plH' so. s e i. ne gear, had a total overrun of 10 ~>8r'ctHll ·, Mr . :,pef'lker· . 11o th g c:~a r sectors, the fixed gear fishery ahd l:he purs e :Hl "i.nP- fisher y, "i.n the hon . gentleman 1 s area in Notre r.>.:tmu Bay had an OlJerr-t)n of 40 . 5 percent, Mr . Speaker. SOME HON . MEMBERS : Shallle! Shame! MR. RIDEOUT : I dtd not expect the han. genl:l8rnc'H1 l·:o do thai.: , Mr . ~3peakcc:r, I rnust say. I did not expect .il: from h:i m.

Let m(1 t.E:ll the House as wc,,ll I Mtn. SpeAker, !-haL OI.JUry s·ingl.E! quot:a, and every reg:ion of Newfoundland e x c f~ p 1- L h i" n e '1-. h r:• p u r· s f~ s e 'i. n e sector in White Bay, the fixed gc~dr' :;ccl.ot' ·in Tr·r~p<'l!>~>f~IJ ~31: .. Mary 1 s Ray, and the fixed gear !)l)d :ol'·· in J'>l.r.\C:0.n ·l.-i a Flay hFtd <'111 ovE~rr·unl so that the over-r-un for ' thn Pr·ov ·i.ncr~ <'1:> d 1~1hol.E! t•kt~; about: 14 per cent, Mr. Speaker. Every telephone call that I got f r· o rn U1 (~ p r (;: s :; l. "' s 1:. n i g h l: !Aii::t s about the a] J.egab .on mE~d~~ by th~:: hon. gc':ni.:lf~trti'tn.

No. 68 R3B9ll-

MR. W. CARTE.R: T 1na d t:!·"""'i10-:~il 11 C! g a i·. i on . MR. Rr.DFOUr : ·t·l·1at thE~ m:in:i ~>tE~J" SOITlt'hOlAJ OJ" o l:hP.r', hE! J.efi ··. thr,~ ·i.nnuendo aro11nd MR. W . CARTFR: I d"i.d no L. MR. lUDEOUT: - that the minister somehow or another had manipulated the management plan to the advantage of lri.s f--i.shc,>rmE!n, t:he i.mpli(~d motive being that it lAJould bE! to the disadvantage of other fishermen in other parts of the Province. The second greatest over-run, Mr.

SpE!akE!r', in the wholE:' Province happened to benefit the fishl'H'mE!I'l :in thE! hon. gentleman 1 s oum cons l:'i . tuc:!ncy, <.'lnd Fogo and Jn Bonavista North and other c o n s L i. 1: u E:Hl c i. e s . NoiM t.~Jho l:r.'lki:!S cr'edii : !OJ" i·:h • .-11:, M;·'. SpE~akcr? T:. that to the detriment 0 r i: h [~ M i. n i. :; I(!

I" (l r ~~ i. ~; h n Y' i.e~; ' ~111 1'1 g a, .. otm d h :i. ~: head cl s a pol i t. :i c a J s u1 n d a "1. ? l L i s n o 1.. t 1n P ''~ n , H1 .:~ 1: i~: thE:! kind of thing that J"E:!a1ly gel:~; 'l:o me, IAJhnn FH"!Opl.P. do noi: bothe1" to do their' basic reSE!arch so Lhcti. : Fctc1 :s coJnf! o11L as !Ret:; and not as political innuendo. Mr.

SpE:'<'1KE!r, i.n responsr:• l:o l::he hon. gentlEHnan 1 s supplemE!ntary quesl'i.on, I under'st :and t:hat the FE!deral Depari:rTJE!nt of FishE!riE!S and Oceans wh ich by the way, starts and stops thE! fishE!ry, not the Provincial Minister of Fisheries, although thE!re is consultat"i.on, another thing that the hon. gen t1eman did not find c o n v E• n i. E! n 1-. l:: o r' e f ('~ r 1:. o y (~ s t e r' d d y t•.dll issuE:~ a rE:dE:'aSE:' today. I do no l k n OIAJ j F i. 1·: h r::t s b o en r' e J. e 1:'1 s (;~ d yPt, !>O ther'eforE!

I arn reluctant I' 0 S i'1 y p l.l b J. --i_ C J. y lAl h c1 1: ·I: hE! d f:! l:r:d ·1 :; I 3 B 9 f:i July 1'i, 1988 UoJ XL of it are, but there will be a Cr.lplin f-·i.~;hol"Y !-OJ" non--hl.lllli"l.ll consumption markets, with a t" ('! ~; e r' v ('! F o J" i'J or' 1: he ;r· n W hi. 1: c R i:'l y , from Canada Bay docun to CclpC'' Br.'l.tJld, ~~Jh-.i.ch ·i:; not in 1fly district, Mr. SpE!aker, but in UlE:' d · i.s l:r' i. ci: o f IJH,~ h o n . q (Hl ll. H rm·l n from thE! Strait of E-\E:>l1 IslE! (Mr.

DE•cket'), J.ook ·"i.ny ollt for hi.s fishermen, so they wi11 have a chancE! l: o get a f et~J cap l 'i. n and make a few dollars. Those annolmcc,>mE:!nts lAd 11 bE• rnade 1-:od;~y. I do not know if thE!Y haVE! be(!l'l mad e y e I. b ll t i. n t. o 1-.: a 1 U1 E! y tAri.:ll be somewhere around 4,000 or 5,000 l·:ons. SOMf HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! M R . W . CARTER :

f) supplc:'mfHll· .a;"y, Mr. Spr:~al<er' . ,Ml~. SPF:A~.fR: A supplementary. SOME HON . MEMRERS: ()polo<:ri .xr,!! {)po tog~i.ZE!! M r~ . L'll . C r\ R T E. R : Mr'. Spc,>akE:'I", t..uha'l: we,, ju~; ·L sat;.J :i.s a !:ol...:·ll. r'1blt:>E:! oi- l:ht:! t'ttlt''<:: oF ·l:·.h ·j s House. There ar'e provisions, S'i r, for-· st ·.i'1i:r~rncni.:; by 1ninislet's, and the minister shouJd have taken <.-\dvanLage of t.hal:. Mr.

Speaker, my supplementary quest-ion to t·h<:' rn'ini.st.:c->.r': In light of the fact that an ovE•rl"un di .d occur', in f<.·\Cl: l:o t.he l:.t.1ne of about 6, 000 metric tons, I am l::old, and ·Ln v:i.PIAJ oF the fac 1:, Mr'. Speaker, that constdE!rabJ E• concE•rn has been expressed by the importing company in Japan as to l~he effoci·. l:.hai·. rrdghl: h<'lve on rnar'kEd:s, what plans does thE! ITJ··i.ni~;t·.er' hr.'\VO For 1--he d"Lspos·it'.:i .on of that overrun? WiJl that be g 0. i n g . i n I:() J n p r:Hl ' T r'1 i l~kHl ' c h -:i. n a () r No. 6B R3B9t:)

IAih E! Y' (,1? MR. SPEAKER : The han. the Minister of Fisheries. MR. RIDEOUT: First of all with regard to the bon . gc'!nl ·:lE:1man 1 s prC:'I:IJTlblE!, what tAle saw from hjm yE!Sterday I djd not think was characteristic of the han . gentleman from Twillingate. t dtd no t think tt was really charactel "istic of that han . gentl.em~n to cast aspersions and ·innuendo at an j ndividual. If ther0. tAIC' ~re ctny i:r·1rth i:o i.l:, t~hcn T. wolJld take my lum ps and I would not : tni .ncl . Thai : i.s a fac:i ·. of J:i.fc -~ Jr1 poljUcs .

But u1hen there is ab:>Ol.IJI :t::!l.y no tr·td:h i:o i.l:, and wjth a JittJe bjt of res earch or a phone call or b ~JO t:he i:nrl :h c:ortl .d have become known so that the i.nnuendo IAJa:> nol : plugged ac:r·os:> t h'is Provir1ce last night that sorneho lAJ or anot .h::n' I d:i .d some l:h i.ng djffe,~ent for the fishermen in my d i. s l r i. c 1: t h a n T d t d f o r· t.h e fisherme? .n in Fogo or somewhere else, that is absolutely unnecessary, Mr . Speaker. It is below the hon. gentleman 1 s dignity, and I am surprised that he, himself a forme r mi.n:ister, would par ticip ate in that kj nd of stuff .

I am sur pri sed that he would participate in it. Now, Mln . ~>peaker, to go on to thE:1 hon . geni:l.e:'man 1 s q11est·.ion. ftr· :; i·. of all, t.hc:' fact of the matb:~r ·-· M R . W • C A R T 1-: R : YOUI" fee) ings at"t~ htu·t . flllR. RIDFOUT : r <'l in noi-. t.1Jor·r ·ying .:~bo11L 1ny ·I0 Edi.ngs, J cHIJ IAIOI"I"J ed abou ·l: Lhe truth, Mr. Spel.'lkor·. ()nd l:hr ,' t:r-11i:h was not IAJhal:. thE:' hon. gentleman l.: o l. cl . M r.t y b o h e h d d :; o lfl e c a l ·1 s fnHn h:is own cons ·l::ituency J.ast rdght, bt~UlUSP T did, Mr . SpE!dknr ·. UB96 Ju1y r:,, 1988 v·ol x L MR. W.

CAR TF.:R: On a po int of order, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: Order, pl.E!ase! A point of order, the• hon . thE• rnr:1 mb E! r· oF l1Ari . l l i.n gat E• . MR . W . CARTER: Hansard, Mr . Speaker, will prove {·.ha 1· 1 did 110 1: c brH·ge I: he 1rri ni s t .e r with sho wi ng favou ritism to his <;ons ·l:·i. l:ur:!nl :s. Wha ·:·. t repeatE!d, Mr . Speaker, were rumours and t.IJO rch I: hili: ~lf.l.v e b()rHl coud ng ou i·: of my district. Mr.

Speaker, when you get about :; ~) v en or· e ·i. g h ~~ phon 0 c r.t ll s j 11 t l'l e space of an hour, all from f·i .!;her· mc- H\ ~-~xpr·c~ss ·i.ng l:he s.;tme con c en1, then you can.not igno re j t. MR. BAIRD : Re a man Rnd apologize! f_,R. SPEAKER : The hon. rnt~rnbE!r is not on a point of ord (,~r. Tho hon. the Mi.ni.s t.er of Fisheric:'S . MR. RIDEOUT: Mr . Speaker, I arn p1E!ased Lo i.nform l:he hon. gNJl:.1Hman, si.i::i:::i.ng at my desk I had a couple of sa ndwichHs and a glass of mtlk for lunch, while I was doing some wo1~k on l:hi.s pdr'ticuJ ;qr· busi.ness and othe1~ matte1"s.

M r· . ! ) p e t:·l k r:! r· , i. n 1 EO! I" m :> o f 1:. h e overTun, anybody IAJho IAJcHtts to stop ··':t n d c o n s · i d (! J" i-o r· ~'l HI' i n 1 1 L n u n l ·i k c:. people who were pressing just a C ()II p 'f.~~ 0 F c:i <'\ y !) •:1 <j 0 f 0 r· i'l d d :i. 1.: :i. 0 1'1 a l quotas, who have notAl changed l:.he:i.r· 1: Cl c k IJ n r· y q wi c k J. y n~ a J :i. /. E! s 1:. h E! r c:• ar ·e a nurnbr:1r of s:i.gnif:icarl'l:: i-de I:Ol"~; . Numb'"'" onE), i::he f·i VC'! yoar· average for conversion from female l:o llldle ci:lpl in in lh.i ~; ·• Pr·ov:·i nee "' •• No. 68 R3B9Ci

hets bc,~<=!n l::hc.~l: "it L<:1kos r.tbouL ?..3 pou1H~s of capli n to g(:>t one pound of r-e1naTc:! capl. in. TI·J"i.~; year' Uwr't=! t.1.lc! s a s :i g n :.if j can 1:. t n c I" Pas E:! in thai .. ln ol:hc~t ' IJ.lOI "d~;, 1·.hc :! CCli"IV(H'~ ;ion fC!Ct.OI" IAlc\S about 2. 1 I: h i ~; y e r.H' . No b o d y c: o 1 J l. d k n m~1 L h .;1 1- IJII t i J y o u g o l. ·.i n t o t h <:' f i s h e r y , r"lr·. Speakor·, ~;o thi't.l: .:~ltHlf.! dcldod about 3, 000 tons of addj tionaJ. f"t:!lnal .e capl. i.n

h) i.he 1-.ota ·r a11owable catch. SE:~cond1y, rJtr'. Sp ect!<Gr, IJJ(~ havn in p1ace this year under our' t'egul.ai:i.ons a rnaxi.rnurn ovf:!t'pack of 10 per' cent. Last year the overpack ran as high as 33 per cent.

So if you take the maximum overpack at 10 per' CE!nl:, take out. the additional 3,000 tons because of th(;~ conversion fact:or, and if you assume, as best you can, that pr·oducti.on for' Ta:i.tJ.Jan to~Ji.ll. go l-.o and stay in Taiwan and not be diverted into Japan -· that is something I cannot guarantee, once i.t gc~ts to Tcdi~H'ln whether:- i.t is repacked and relabied and ali of !.:hal·.; [ Co'\rl only 91.1Rt'CII'lh~e J-:h,:~l: i.1: goes out of here destined for T;'1 '"i.t•J·~Hl btlt i.r c::tll. of Uir:-1\- happE~ns, Ml".

Speaker', as we oxpt;H :t. .H : IJ.J"i .ll., Uwn UH :~ pr 'Odllc:L ·i.on or f<HIIa]~:! cap1in foJ" Japan t.r.liJJ be spol: on Uw lndl"k, Mr ·. Spc,~. :·1kP.r'. SOME IIOI'J. Mf.M13Fi~~'l : Hear', hear! MR. SPEAKER : The hon. I.: he rnernb('!i" For TwiJlingate, a final supplementary. MR . W. CARTER : Mr' . S p E:~ a I< e r· , ·i. n vi.

E:~IJ.J of l:. he fact. that U1e head of !:he Japanese importE!r's of capl.-Ln IAt:ir·r~d FANL yesterday expressing some concern Rbout the,~ overr·un i.'tnd suggC'!SI::'i.ng that new negotiations be UndE•r'takC:!n IAlii:· .h a UiPI .AI \:0 negotiating a lower price than 1.3 3 9 7 .:ru ·ly 5, 1,98U Uo l X I. ·i:hr.li- ·i.rl'i.i . .i.al.l .y d9t 'N~d l:.o · MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! Mix. W. CArHER: ·- c <.·1 n whr:~ther IJlC;! rn·i . n i s 1: e J" \:r-) 1.1 . 1.: h o House he views that seriou sly, ,:" n d d o e ~; I: h P.

J: rn p o r I: E! r' •; f.l s ~:; o r: ·i a t "i. o n ir1 Japan stili :insist on hav:ing l.hi:ll· . lei. nd of •'~ rn('! el:'i ng? MR. SPFAI<FR : T h c h o n . U1 "' f"l i rd. s t. E! r o F 1-"-i. s l·w r' i C:! s . MR. RIDEOUT : Mr. Speaker, we have today consulted with the industry in NE!IA.lfoundJ.and and Labrador, IAJE! have c o n s ul L o d 1.r.ri. t h a n urn b E! r' o F t h e larger impor'tE!rS in Japan. and u.JE:· have been assured th at this p a r t i c u l a r c o rru:n u n i c a t i o n i s U1 E' nor1ni:ll sabf :!r' r·aLtl "i.ng you <:JC'!t ·Fr·o1n Japan at this tirne of year. MR. GULLAGE : Mr.

Speak<H'. Mf~. SPE(.)Kf:R: The hon. the rnernber fol" WC!ter'for'd .. K c'! nrno 11 n 1: . Ml~. GU I..I_Ac-;F. : Ml". Speake!", my qtH:'stion is to thE! M ·i.n ·i!;l .c=:!t' nf Mlltdcipr'll J'1Fr<.'ti.r- ~; (Mr. Brett).

Is the minist er' au.rar'e i:hCI-1: SOlflf.! f-j_fi-_y fdrJr'i.liC:!S Etl'ld IAJf'!Jl. over 1,000 employees of variou s bus·inE!!; :;('!~; l.ocaLC!d along bo th sides of the Kenrnount Road are liu ·ing and work 1ng wit:hout: wa~or and SE!I.Uer ser 'ViCE!S, and that Uw sc:• people exist present ly wil-h only weJ.J.s and septic tanks IAlhi ch have proven totally inadequate, parttcular·ly at this ttrnE! of the Y (;~<:·lr? MR. WARREN: What have you bE!en doing in aJ.] your L:·irne 'i.n COI.Inc ·i l? No. \.i a . ~ -· 1na07

iVJR. BARRfTT: rhere are thousands in Net.tJfoundland LLke that. MR . SPFAKFR: The hon. the Minister of Municipdl Affairs . Mf~. BRETT : Mr. Spc->.akE!r, t.hat. IAJas a shor ·l~. onE:~ for a change. Yes, Mr . Speak er, 1 am aware of businesses an d people living along KenlnO IJnt Road IAJ"i.1.ho1Jl IJ..Ja l.er and :.eiA Jer, and as somebody on back of me said a rni .nul e a ago l:hai : is h~p pening alJ over the Prov ince b 11 1: T g u e s s i. i: i :; p t' o b r.t b 1 ~ cl b l.-1: n1ore of a probJ.er11 hel~e in the city . We are aware of it wt11 be addressed Spoakel". MR. GUU.AG[: Mr '. Spe<'l.kc-: :r'. MR.

SPFAI<FR : and the rnatter in i .. i.uH~, f\llr·. Tho han. t.hc,1 mE!rnber for WatE:'rford --· KE!nrnount. . MR. GULLAGF.: ---------·---Would the minister explain why in spite of several representations 'l:o thE! government over the yE!ars thesP 1200 pE!Opl e haUl'! bE!en derried SE>.r'vices, and somE! of the r· E! s i. d e n t s 'i. n p a r t: t c u l. R r h r.~ v E! 1:. o use water buckets which are filled clur···i.ng l.:he even ·i.ng? The! ovE:!r·Fl .OIAJ from septic tanks, both r E! s ·i d E:~ n t -L "' J. n n cl b 1 1 s :L n r:! ~; s , r: a ' 1 s n d hcctlt:h haza1 ~d ·- MR. J.

CARTFR: (I po ·ini: of or·c:ler, Mr. Spnr.lk:'!i' . M I~ . S P F (I K F R : A point of or·der·, the hon . 'I hE '! rn P 1 ntH:! r- f u t' ~)[: . J o h n ' ~; Nor' U1 . Mf~ . J. CARTFr~ : I 3 H9 8 July S, 19BH Vol. XL Mr . Speaker, the mem ber for L-.Jal-:0rford - K ~Hl mOIJr ll~ i.::; not intentionally mis leading the I louse, he i.::; a ver y ho no ur abl e member and I am sur e he wouJd ne ver do tha t, bu~ nev erthel ess misinformation is reaching the floor of thts Hou se . Part of Kenrnount Road is t.he boundary bei :we en Sl :. John 1 s North and Waterford - Kenrnount. AN HON.

MEMBER: Mount Scio moreso than North . MR . J . CARTER: No, nol : e x. :ld :J. ~. Ii : .i.5 a l.it t:h~ bit more complicated than that . F31 1l: H lf ~ ~;·i.l:1 1a ~'i.on i :; l·.ha 1: C:i. l·.y Council have been mad e full y awar·e of ·1 ... h0 s ·i.i:IJ.:~l :l.o n r.lnd a r·e rned y h,:ts alr eady bee n suggested wh ic h can br~ ·i.1np J.~menl .ed . .r think i.l: i.s wrong for the member for Wate rf ord i<enmo11n1 : l.o sugyf) :;i: i·hal: Ul:i.s is a problem that the Cit y Coun cil is fJOI~I erl. e!)!) . {·o d·ispose of. Th ey have the remedy wi·t:.hin thei r own hands. MR.

SPEAKER : To that point of or·dE!r, thE!re is no point of order . The hon. t:hE• lrlHITiber for· Water·ford - Kenrnount. MR. GULLAGE : ~J o b o d y ·i. s d e n y i. n g , M r· . S p (~ a k C'! r· , that Kenrnount F~oad in fac-t is a boundar·~ Ol" J.·i no b(:! 1-.IAJ(''f'!l'l 1-tAJO seats. We are Fully aware of t:hat. Tn fc.HL, 11'10111'11- ~)ci .o ·-·Br-:!l.J Island, St . John's North and I,,Jdi.r~r·for 'd .... i(t=:!l'llrtOI.In{ ·., ,7.\Jl ·t:hr'l'!E'! oF -them, are contiguous to this p,u·r: ·i.cll'l.:tl " pr·oblc~rn. Nobody den -ie s that.

The rest of my question to the lnin ·i.ster': ~~hy do~-~~; i·.hi !; ~;ttu<. ·ll:'ion continue to be tolerated, gjven Lhr,~ !;r:!r~·iou~;I ·H~!;•; -tll ·i·:; t ·i1nu of ye<·H' No. 68 1~389B

of seplic tanks overflowing on~o properties, and the extreme fire h a z c:~ r d ·i. n 1:·. h (~ a b :; e n c: n IAICI t e r] i n e , p l u s the fa c t of that Lhese IAJcl.l.s c.u·e IHHAJor·kabl.E! Rnd hetve to I:H:! fiJ Jed tAd.th water at nigh!.:? !Aihy does l:hi.:; cuni:i.nllt:! l.o be toJ Bl"cti:cd evE:HJ though it has b e N 1 b i" o 1 1 g h L 1 1 p 'i. n p r· i. o r· y r-hH' '' ? r'll~. SPF::tHF:R : Thf! hon . i.hE:~ Mjrd.~:h~r· of Mun:icipaJ (\ f fa i. ,., :; . MR. 13RFlf : Ml".

Sp(~akc"~'"· I cliTI t~:~mptc.;!d to s 1 1 g g e s 'l: 1:. h et t p r· o b a b l y t: h a t qUE:'stion tAJouJ.d be b.:~Lter directE!d t.o c·i. L:y Counci.l.' lAJher·~::~ the hon. member also sits. I cannot be spec:i.Fi .c becaUSE! Tam noi: sur•(:! of the exact location the han. member "i.s tal.k·i.ng aboul:. Aga'i.n, I can only telJ him that we have many sud1 cases ·i.n me1ny arc"~<'ls of l::hE:~ Province which are identicaJ to that. T. do not kr'lOIJJ tJ.Jhat -Lf <HIY discussions or negotiations have gone on bEd:tAJ(:H:!n the ci.'l:y and thE! dE:!pal"tment.

Again, per·haps the,~ hon. mcmb<'!r' i.s IIIOf'(~ i:liAJar·e of 1-.hal-. t hetn I c'HII, but 'l::he1"e j s nothing JlriUSJJal <:~b(JIII: l'.hi~; pc!rl.:·i.r:ulr:n· case. It j s hc'lppening all ovc"~'" i·.he Pr·ov ·i.no~ <~nd Tam SJIY'e Lh.~i: ·if :it ts as ser·jous as the hon. Hlerni:H:!r' :;Jtgge:::i·~;, i·.hen C i ·i:y Co11nc i.l. t.<Jould l:w in d:iscussing jt with the cl ''! p C'\ r· 1.: 1n (·:! n 1: . MR. GUI .I.AGI' :: A supp1 e'fiJ(Hl'l .. ary, Ml". Speaker" . MR. SPF111<ER : A Final supplemE!I'ltar·y. MR. GULLAGF.:: Mr'.

SpE!akpr·, to be more' sp~:1cific t h e a r e a L n q IH~ s t. i. o n e x +:. ~~ n d s f r· o rn ... MR. SPEAKER: Or·der, pleasE!! 1_3899 JIJ-I.y !:i, 191',8 IJo ·l. X I. ~"ould l::hc:' hon. 1nernbPr p1e<:·lsr.~ ask a qUE!Stion? MR. GULLAGE : ''"011ld \":h('! rnin·i.sl:er· ad•Jl.Sc:! l:·.he House IAJ~H:'thE·r his dPpartmE!nt 1Ali11 look d1: l:his rndi'.IJ!I" onu~ r.lga .. i.n and consider· a cost .... ·shelr:ing di"t'<:lngr,~Hlf~l·ll: be l:tAJr.:•en UH:! C"i. Ly, Mount Pear·] and his dE'!par· ·l:rnent Lo 'd e 1: 1: h i. ~; p r' o b '1. r.) m ·; o l u e d f o r l:: h ,,, peoplE! and bus:inE:1SSE•s in quE!SU.on?

MR. SPFAKFr~: Th(,, hon . l'.l-11'! M i.l'l·.i.stE!Y' of' M11rri .ci pal . Affair·s . MR. BRETT: i"'r. ~'>P~'!<:1kr'!Y', .i.f 1-.hE! Ci .l::y of l'-1ount Pearl and thE! City oF St . John'~~ wi.sh to co1nc,~ ·i.n i'lnd discuss th.is particular problem with the d (~pa rtmE! n 1.:, t h<;! n T am sur· e thE:! r'l'> is no objection to it. r.IJR. BAKER: -- --- ·Mr. Speake:H' . MR. SPEAKER : The han. the member for GandPr . MR. BAKER: Mr· . ~>peak e r· , a q 11 E' s -1: oi. on i: o t. hE!

Minister of Finance (Mr. ~":i. nd ~;or·) . 'fhP Canr.td ·i <~n dol. lr:·l r·s has b (:' E!l'l edging hi g her· an cl has bC.:!f!l'l c'\Y'()III'lci 1.1.~3. o·.'i.ghl:y- .. 1-.·.hr·( :•t:! c.:~nts lateJ.y. One of LhE! thtngs l:hdt ha!; c.:ni!>E!d th·i!;, oF cour'~:;e, as the minister knOI.o\JS ·- MR. BARRFTT: li.: -j_~; go:i ng ciOIAJI'l l'lOIAJ . MR. SPEAKER: Or·dc~r, p].(;!ase! MR. BAI<ER: Mr. ~3peaker·, rnay T. h<"IV(:! some order' here? MR. PECKFORD: "ThE~Y also !>er'VE' IAJho onJy stc~nd ~Jo . (i g IB IJ 9 9

diid lAidj '(-_- II SOMF HON . MfMBFRS : Oh, oh! MR. B()RRr.:rr : It is going down. He should check his figures again . MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR. RAI<FR : ThE! lc< c k of k notJJl<o!dge oF i.:hE~ Minister of Development (Mr. 8ar·rE!l ::

t) i.~> sho1.~d.ng, obvoi.o1u;Jy . Jn one day ther·e was a dr·op because of the shooting down of the:~ air·J -.i.rH:H', and I und<~H·stand i".hal:. 8111". !"hE! l'.r·c~nd ·is LIPIAJcH'd <:~nd it has been around U.S. e :i g h I: y . Hw e e u~ n l: :; 1 cl·l: el y . Orw of l-.i'1C.:! t:h ·i.rll..:J:> l:ha ·l: hd:; kr~pl: i.i·. high and ·.)s mov:ing jt I':'V<~'n highr::'ln i ~; 1. h 0. a r' 1. 'i. F ·i. r. ally h i. 9 h :i n t e r· c.:• :; I. r·ah~ poJ j cy of the federal gt)tH ~r·nmenl'. My q11esi:i .on l:o the rninister·, MY'. Speakeln: I IAIOnder ~h·lS t:h".! min ·i.stt,~r· conb:~cted or· tc:~J ked to the F<-?.der·al Minisl:E!Y' of F i n "' n c <~ ( M r . ~'II i. J. s o

n) l: o e x p r' (CI s s the vielJJ that the continued high interest rate policy of the federal government is star·ting to hurt thts Pr·ovi.nce, and co1Jld hurt it seriously in the near future? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. lhe M'i.ntstor of Finance . Mr~. WlNDSOR: Min. Sp<o!akto!r, c oJnlllu rd. caL ·i. on go v e r· nrnEHJt and Ci:Ulf.\di'l ~·1 R . B A i< 1: R : II cl !

MR. ~HNDSOR : t:hE!r'e is consl:ant between th·is the Gover'rHIIE!nt. of T ~I(-~ hon . gen'l:J.ernan fj nd s :H <'I rn 11 ~; i. n 9 . ... ~ •4 I 3900 July ':>, 1988 Vol X I ~~ . .:__I 0 B_.L~ : His f<'!dE!r'dl colJt~~aguco!S }t ::>t 'it go [': 0 ?. /. p f'! Y' C P. l'l t Cl FE! IAI y e <H' S cl g 0 . MR . WINDSOR: c o n ~; 1.: cl n i··. c o rnm u rL.i . c d t 'i. o n , M r· . Speaker, on all matters dealing with the financidl integrity of the Province and the nation. WP hav(~! J.nput -i.n l·:o dectsions of the Government of Canada as much as is reason ab ly possible .

Ob viou sl y the qu estio n that the hon . genl :l(:H nan -Ls deal i.ng 1~ri .t:h is one of national po]icy and, jn fact, is ver· y mu ch dG•'11t wi .l.:h by the Bank of Canada. And I do not know i.f his lcad0t' I.I)Ok HH =!! opportu ni. Ly last lAJE:~ek, IJJhen WE~ both had d:LnnE!ln '~l'i \:h l:h<o! Cot.Jl:'!l''l'll'H' dnd lhn Depu+.y Governor and the Boar·d of the Bank 0 f C i:Hl r'l c:l A , 1.

l) pI I 'i: F.ll' l y 0 p ·i. rJ'i 0 n S fonJJar·cl t.-o the Rank of Canadd in r'C!l..:'l.l·. ·it)l'l l.o Jnonel·.r:1r·y pol "i.cy . I CPJ"ta:i.nJ y did. I arn CE!d:.cd.nJ y cont:f!t'nt·~cl l:h·~ 'ti ·. a Ci:lnddiarl dollc :·11"· that gets too strong wi11 be very dt,'i:r•·i.IIHHll:i:ll. 1:0 i:he r'C!SOIIIACC:! S<:!Cl:Or' in this Province. And, on the o i: h E~ r' h a n d , · i. r ·i. n t C'! r' t:. s 1': r' f'l 1 ... e :; g o too low, then you may well get involv ed in infla tionary probl ems. There is a whole balancing act here, Mr .

Spea ker , that takes into acc ount a whole lot: of FacLor ·s, <H ld obviously the Government of Canada cannot look al: one secl·.:or of l:.hE:. E!Conolnl) or one province of the nation, bE ~ca u se all t.ht->. factors havE" to be balanced. I think thE! Government of Candela'~' r·eco rd shoiAJS thd l·: l:ht~Y have done a tremendous job ouer 1-.hr,~ pr'l~> f·. l'llil'rlbE!r' oF ye c·'tr' s . ,"''R. RAKER : Min. Spt,~Clk(;!Y' . Mr~. SPFAI<ER ; (.) :.uppl Pmen'l:al"Y, rnr: :!rllb(• I" r!) r· C.::t nd ('I" r~r? . ~HMMS : No. 6il l..he hon. l.. h (~ 1~3900

What about newsprint prices? MR. BAI<ER: Specifically, newsprint prices have rem~inod constant over lhe last year while the Canadian dollar has inched higher . PREMIER PFCKFORO: ·Pd ces · hctVE:! gor.i(;. up. Sor·r·y! IVJR. STMf\1~~: ·r hE! y h ·~ LJ e go n r;! ' 1 p ~; P u e r· r.tl. t·. t rn f! ~; . SOME l-ION. r.III':MR Fl~~): Oh, oh! MR. SPfi)KER: Order·, pJE:~<.·1se! MR. BAKF~R: ThE:1 price has r'E!rnained consta ·nt, r~llth-Ln a f~~IJJ do l-l.ar·s, oF $500 a ton for t.he last yea1n and a half, I infor·m lnE:'JnbE!rs. T. am jus 1-: r·c->.spond:ing to the yacking opposite, Mr. Speaker .

PREMI~R PfCKFORD: Get the facts . MR . BAKfR : I have I·· he Fc:1C i~!;, brr 1: 1-~l·lr:! Pr·errr-i.er· does not, obv-iously. Has the 1nini.s LE!r .i.ntH)S l.:ig;:~ted to dr;d ~{'!intni .nr~ hor.u ser::i.ous an effE!Ct this j s hatJ 'i.ng on Ollt' At IAJhat vaJ.uc,, nm.tl!> pr· ·i.nt 1Ari1J the i. n d I I S I~ r' lj ? Canadian doll dt' c.:~ti!>C a !)Oi" ·i Oil!> ~;l .OilH :Ioi~Jn ·i.n the llHIAJ~;pJn:Jnt indusLJ".Y of this P r· o 'J i. n c c,~ ? l !; i i nt' o 11 n d IJ . ~) . c,1 :i g h t y ... f :i v E:1 c ~~ n t s ? I s that t hE:' l c:! tH} 1 ?

H"' s t h r-:· rn:i. rl'i !) h'! r· ..i 11 v t::1 s t j g d tc'! d Ud s pI'' o b 1 ern? MR. SPEAKFR : ThE! hon. t ht,1 Mj.rdstE~r of Finance~! . MR. WTNDSOR: Mr . SpE!ai<E:~r ·, g C'! n l: l. ~~ 1n<:-n1 i. s factor· in obviou sly l:ctJI<ing whole a the han. about on~' s .i l:ua t.~-Lon. You economic have ''·l~~o look Hi"" . 3901 Ju]y 5, 1.9813 . 3' ... Jol XL l:~he ovc:!r '<'1ll. si .tuation.

Mor't'! !"~han just interest rates :lrnpact:. on an industry. l'here are saldry rates, cost of products and raw In i'1. l:: E! r· j_ a 1 :_; I c:Hl d t·. h E:' c 0 s t 0 f transportation, so a IJJholE~ host oF fact-. or·!; j,ITifl"' c L on ;::~ n i. n d us L r· y i.'l n cl the IAJhole thing has to bE:' 1ooi<NI •"- i. , not j 11 !; I ·i. n t·. e 1~ c-:· ~; 1. r· <:t i·.E:! s . Interest rates are only F.:lci"or· . Thdi. ·i.!; l·ikl'! look· i.n g the cove:1r' of a book and l:l"yJng 01'1('! al ··. to j I I d lJ f:! I~ h (-~ I~J h 0 l I·) b 0 0 k b lJ :J. i ·. ~~ cove1n .

Obv iou sly, you cannot. 1-.hai:, you ha~Jf:! l.o cuwddel " r.1l.l. f ct c t o r s t h a t a r E! i n v o ] v E! d . ~'ll t'! cow; l:cHl 1: ly r:l cd ng 1~: hEt i.: constantly in contact with do l::hn ai"E! and thE! major· r·~:!!>OIIr 'cr:• :indt Js i·.:r·"i.e s -Ln this Province. MR. SAI<ER : (l Fi.nal supple1nonl:ar·y, Mr·. Spc'!akc'!r' . MR. SPEAKER : A final suppJementary . MR .

BAKER : 8 e c i'1. u s e t h e r· ·i. s i n g C a n a d t r.-1 n d o ] l. a r has added about 15 per cent to c o :> 1 ~ :; -i. n 1: h i s r· e s o IH ' c E' -- b a s e d economy that we have, w:lll the m·i. n ·i ~; 1-: f.! r· t,:., k n a s (~ r· .. i. o 11 ~; thE:' E:'ffect of the risi .ng dol. l. il r' o n c 1.1 r· F o t' r.:• s 1:: r· y , and mining industries? MR. SPEAI<FR : -look at~ Canad~i.an Fjsh "i.ng, The:• hon . lhH Jllhn·i ~; l:c'!r· oi- i>i ,n<HICC'.! . MR. ~HNDSOR: Min. Sptc!(;.\lu~r· I I.~H~ ar'C'! clo:i.ng thd'l:. 01'1 r.\ t: tHI 1·. ·i. n 11 I'll b a!; ·i. !> . MR. FENWICI< : Mr . Speaker. MR.

SPEAKER : The:' hon. l·.~he rnetnber· ·for· Menj _hek . MR. FENWICK : Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premjer and hEt s l:o do with the No . 6H RJ901

ft'(Hd·. fh·1g(-~ •'.tr•i·. ·i.~;l<:· in i-.od.-~y' :; Evening Telegram concendng a ~1>3 000 co rl"l : J"d c l . l: o d (! ~; o t' '·''· l: e 1: h r'! executive offices of the 1\l e t~i F o u n d J. "' n d d n d I . ,:~ b r· i.~ d o r· II 01 .1 ~; · i. n g COI"pOI"ation hE:'adqUf.ll~tc~r·s. S"incE:1 I.: he cord:t'f:lc t-. t.•.Ja:; '"""'"''::~rd(,1d l·.o i:.hE:~ wife of one of his Cabinet rn-Ln·i.~> tE:'r's T. IAJOtiJ.d J.:i .!<e i:.o ask thE! Pr·emj E:'t' if in accordanCE! with his Con ·fl .i.cl·: of Inl~E:!t'est Gu··i.ciE~l.i.nE•s permission was received ahead of thE:1 atAJctrd··ing of thi.s contr·act: as rc,~quired :in

Article 3 of thE:~ par·t.i.cular· gui .dc,1l.i.ne~;? Mi{. SPI.::AJ<Ef~ : Thl=! hon. the Pl"ernier·. PREMTER PFCKFORO: Mr. Speaker, several months ago wh c,, n l: lri. s rna I~ l: e r i:H' o s e i.i : tMa !; cornpJ E:~tely inVE:1stigatr::1d, and it . 1.1ms dol:E!r'rnined L:hal·. t·.hH1"e tAla:; no conflict of i.ntol"est· ::in this fli'lr'l".i.(tll.cH' .c:a:>f::.

IIOtAJl=!l)et', aft('!t' i n u e s t i. g c:d. j n g cHId f i n d j n g no E!Xi.sl:i.ng conrJ.i.r:J·. of- i.nl:et'!-;!:;1 :, l t~tE:'nt on to j rtdi cat:e and implt11T1ent a sy~;·l.c,'tn uJhcr·E!by i.n fui:ul·'e, 1~1h·i.l.:;l· jt is no-t ne::'cc,~ssctry in ]alAI when y o u a r' r~ d e ''' J. i. n g IAI"i l. h d c o n s t 1l. 1·. d n t , beCC'..IUS(:' :it IAiclS OrtE:1 Si::C"'P r't~ITIOUE!d rr'Oin Ulf) Hous'i .ng, Cor·por'c'li.:i .on l".o i'\ consultant, which then got i. n l:. E! r· -L o r' d E• c o r a l: o i" s i. n

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l) e d , t did issue instructions afterwards t:o E!nsur'(:~ t.haL -Ln future pr·oposc::~ls would be called as opposed to just selc,,ct"Jng one consultant. Tn l:h i.s particular instance there was no conflict of ·-Lntor'C:'St, bul: in l::hc~ interest of perception I -i.mpl.C'!HI~:lntE'!d i'"l pol. ·icy tJJhE!r'eby, etJC'ln in agenciE:1S of that sort, in future c:-1ny !ci.nd of lAJor·k wh .i.ch couJd be~ SE!lE!Cted without proposal C<-ll.'l.s cot1ld no 1ongeJ" be-~ done'!, c:1ncl irt fu'I:UI"E:! pi"OPOSclJ.S calJ.s lAJ:ilJ. h~ue Lo be called . Ml\. FFNWT~ : () c:upp] empn ·l~ai"Y, Ml''. Speake,'!" . I 390?

JtJ -Iy f) , 191li3 \Jo l X 1. r-1 i? . ::> P F.{) i< F f? : A supp] E:HTIE!ntar'y, the hon. {:: h (! lfiF.!lllbC!r' rr:>i'' Mt-:!l 'l:i .hPk . MR. FF.NIIIllCK: I am nol entirely clear that I h,'J.lJf~ goi.:Lc;!n r,~xdci..-.ly tAJhal:. t:he mE:1ssage is here. If I undE!rsl:and t. h E! P t' E! m -i, e r C 0 i" I" ~~ C t: l !J , IAI h d !-. h 1:! said uJas that it was not done by I··. he'! Hous i.ng Cor·por·c:q t·i.on, bt1 .t by a contractor or a subcontractor to l:.hc:-1 t .. f._RF.M_I E_~ _ _P ECK FOJ.m. : A consultant . MR.

FENWICK : C.l(~arly, is that not still couered b \j 1··. h (:~ c 0 n f J. i. c l.: 0 r I 11 +-. ('! I" e s t Guidelines? MR . SPF.AI<FR: () t' d E! I'"· , p l (! a S E! ! MR. FfNIJ\JICK: Ml". Speaker, :i l.. is my ttndf!t'Si:dnd i.ng UJdl·. si neE· ultimatE:'lY that wor·k tAICl S pr:l:id fen· !) u I: 0 r I JH:! 9 0 lH:! I'' I'Hil (-;! n {: p I I I" ~; c:! t:. i'1 (.'! '1:: Rc,~gulat.ion 3 should have appJ..-iE!d , •'t nd U1 .:-1 i··. 1: h (,H' r-~ !; h o ttl. d i'li:'t v E:! bE'!

C'! n "' let.Lc,,r· or a rE:•quest fr"orn l~he rn-i 1·J'i . s l: e r· r: on c: 1::! r' n e cJ I~ o 1-he f> r· e tlli e r· prj or to a c c e p b . n g thE! con t r· a c "1: . A r P y o u s a y "i n g , U·w n , t h m t t h E! r' E' was a lE~ttel", that you did receive a l.c,~t"i:" .t=!r? And cc:'tn you table :.it:, then, if you received one? PREMIER PECKFORD : Mr·. SpPcl k Ell" . Ml~. SPEAKER : T~w hon. thE:' Pt"emi.E!r . PREMIER PFCKFORD: --·-------------·-T I'll'! r· e ~~JC:-1 ~; d l. P 1-. "l:c '! J" t' e c cd v C''lj d n cl r investigated and found that it wa s okdy .

TIIC·) rni .tl'i .:;hH' responsible cijd tha t at the time, Cl.n d I said ·i.l: I)Jc'l:> o k; ~y . TI ·H~n 1: d:i.d r·epl.y a]so and in djcate since the No . (j[l r-n 902

p(:'t'ception of this thing couJ.d l.e'•dd to SOln(~boby c'!CCUS i.ng l.:hE! minister· of confljct of interE!st, that _ in futur<- } such agenci.(:~S and so on, even though it went one st:E!p r(>.rnotJPd to a consull-:i'lnt:, would still have to go to propost'lls. MR . FF.NL~JJCK : A f i n f.l] ~; u p p J P rn e r rt a I" y , 1'-11" • ~:; p Co~ i-l k e r' , r!IR. SPFrli<J-f~ : A f:i nell suppJ PmE!ITLf.lr_y .

MR, fTNirJJCI< : J11 :; 1: tHl!'! shc:wl: qiJC):;i: ·ion: ,,,Joltld you be r1bJ E:~ i::o tab] e the actual l.E!'i-:ter' ·i_l-: ~;(~l.r, rr·om l:he nri n·i ,:; l:et' to your ~:elf, cls k~ing to clear the conFJ·i ct? PREM1F.R P~CKFORD : Mr. Speaker . MR. SPFAI<ER : T h ·f:~ h on . 1: he P r· ern J C'! r' . PREMIER PECKFORD: I wjJ.J. check this out, Mr . Speaker, for the hon. member . Mf~. DECKF: R : Mi". ~1peaker' . MR . SPFAKFR : T h E! h o n . :-_ h e m P 1 n b E:' r· f o r' ·1-h e S t-.r· r:~ i. L of npJ ].(:! ] :.leo~ . MR.

DFCI<FI~ : Mr ·. ~-lpe.'lkcr·, rny qUf-):;t ·ion i.:; i1)l" the ~ hon. the Mird s I:E!r of Fducat.:i .on (r.IJ I" . : In rH' 1-1 ) . J n I 9 B'3 , ilw M:it ·li~:ter· RE! Spon sibJe fol" W:DdJife .:1!-. :-ht :! :-_iltlt' i:lddt-:!d i'll'l t.tnr·eit .tnd.:·lblt-:! $t; t-o rnooso Ji cE:!rtC( :! r~ppllcal -j_ons. And he :;," i.d, 'f.l. !; pr · Ltndr ·y yo,. _l_ is -t-hat IAr.i.JdJ:ife educa ·tion bE! i n -1:: ('! 9 Y' i.'l 1-e d IAI ·j I: h 1. h (! C I H'r' -j.

C I 11 I I rn 0 f our· fol "rttclJ school sy stem.' I a ~;k 1.: h e tri"L rd. s 1-: E'! r· t: o c:H:Itri. s e l: h E! : -J o 1 1 s e IAJ h E' -~ 1·1 e r· o r· n o t L h i s h a s b e e n donE!. flnd IAJi .J.l he 1-.:E!ll. 1-.he HoLtS(:' L3903 July 5, 1988 Vol XL whether or not the program has bE! lo! 11 lA] (o~ l l r E! U:' _,_ v (~ d i n L h (:' s c h 0 0 l s throughout the Province? MR. HEARN: Mr. SpE:~ab:!r. MR . SPEflKER: The hon. the Minister of Education . MR.

HFARN: Mi n. ~>pc ->.i.'lkC-:!1'', it :is a neL,J one on I'll! -~. l)i,'\!; -i_c c~l.l ':J, I~J(' hd,J('! incolnpor·at(~d a Jot of t:hjng~; inl ·:o l:hr ~ CIH't' ,i Clll.lltll -j n Lhr:o J., :'t~;t FntAJ y c->. a r· s , a n d tAli 'l" h t h E~ c h e1. n g C'! s j_ n l: h ,,,, ;"r,~or·gi :ln:i /.(!d h·i_gh !;;r ;hooJ s y~ :; 1-:':!HI 011r' curriculum ha s been broadened l-_ r· 1,, rn EHl d o 1.1 s l y . f.'l n 1 1 rn b E! i" o F l. h e t'l u !AJ cour'SE:~S have inco rpor·ated S Co'C b .on s oF l:hc-) ~-letAJfotlndl.dnd r'lr'f'•na, including IAdJ.dlifE:~, for ·es t:r·y, l'lgri .ctJJ. ·I:ur ·e .

Some hatJ( '> bee n clone to a large degree, some others don0. r.-1:; i'l chdpl :er·, pc->.r'hN.ps, -Ln a textbook, other·s don•~ by tAJay of jttsl-: supple,~lliE!nti:H'':J tnc.:ttE!r'idl.s . In fact, just recently W E:~ had sorne very interesting ctnd informative material from the Department oF Agr·i.cul ttH'G d~ ~J.iv r~ rt:~cl l:o t:he different classrooms. With our enu Lr·onment<~l. sc--LE'!I'lCt'> and bto1ogy courses we would be di scussing t~J .i l d ]_-_j_ f r-~ d n d i. t: s <.·\ s p (;! c 1-: s , an cl , of course, habitat and so on. 1hE! r' (~ s 1 1l.

I-_ ~; c f:~ in -:: a .i n l. y -i. n i"_i·lt'J'I ~ r· ('! g a r d would be~! j nteresting and I wou1d s.-'1':/ pns ·i.t :·ilJr '!. TF U1E' gonl --_l_t:!ln iHl wants something more specific J C o-ll'l CEH' 1:.:-l'i n'l ':J i:. :~ lu: • i i: II nd ('! ,,-, adv:isernc:'nl: and gel:_ h:ir n some dj_l"t:'cl. in(ot"llld 1: i.on, :i ncl.1trl i ng I: he l"e::;ttl .l-~:; o n a n y q u j L z E:! s , t e s 'l' s , o r· IAI h a -L e u <:' I" i:h; .~i : ottr· !;i:ltrh-:!nl -.:; h;.-ltJC• done. ~R , Df::CJ\YR : Ml" . Sp(:'akc,~l" , MR. SPEAKER : li'H~ hon. I. hE:' illl'!tni:Jr:!l" For· Str·d ·it. oF BE!]le IslE:~ .

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r-1f~. DF CKFR : lrJ h :i c h :i s , b y :i n t e r· p I'' e t a t t o n , n o . H r~~; r'll'liJ por·t-. ·i.on of Lh i.~; '~ 1 i 11 on I" c,~ f 111'1 d 1~ b J e f E! P b c,1 E:~ n a 1 J o cat E:! d l.o l·.he n,.)p.u·hnHnL oF Fcilll:i :·l"Li.on, o:1~; thE:! stater11etli~ of 1983 sugge si ed, by Ull' :l ~~~i~y? i"lct ~> i:~ny p1n-1 ·.·ion o·r tl1e ft=:H~ bE:HHI SUggE:lStE:ld, SO t.hat Lh~~ llli .n ·ishH' lAJi.ll not hr·llH ! l:o :.ka ·tE:' ar ·ound on his sk c:d:eboard I)J h E! l'l h C g C'! t S IJ p i.Hl d rHI S IAH '.! t' ~; i": h 0 S f'! quE:!stions, bu-t.: he 1Ari11 g:iue us a SpE!C i.·fi.c rHlSIAIE!t '?

Mr~. :)PF::AKEf~ : The hon. the Min·ister of Education . MR. HfARN: Mr' . SpE>.r:lk E!t', Lhe hon . gent .1~:1HlrHl d10uld I< nOlAJ l: hat mo niE! s collected b y g o u f~ r n mE! n t. 9 o i. n 1": o g C·'!l'l E! t' r't J. r·euc:1nue, and if anybody looks at i:.hE! tr'e1nc~ndous -LncrE:laSE! S i.n the education budget ouE.H' the,' lc-.l.st fE:llAJ y e (:\(' S I C ('. r l:_ct i n 1 y , y (:_) !) 1 r'll'l d rnr:~ I'J y J nr<.Hry nror·e dol] ars besides . MR. DFCKFR : Mr . SpeAker . M R . ~3 P

U) K F I~ : () fjna1 ~:upp]PTIIE:Hltalny, thE:1 hon. the TllE!l'lllllo!t' for' 1-i '

H) Sl :t'rlil : or f11)'1lc! T !;] e. MR. DFCKF:R : T 11.1a s go :lng to dirc,1ct rny final suppl.elfll O!nL :·lry to l·:hc :~ M:ini ~; U =!r' or~ CultUI"E:~, RPClneation of Youth (Ml". R u t t. ) b 1.1 1·: -L n h 'i. s a b s e n c E! I 1~1 .. i J. l. g o to the hon. Government House L.eadE!r '. Will the Gouarnment House leader aduise this House holAJ rnuch monE!Y thi s progr ·arn hr-ls takt .;!n "in since 1983? And could he suggest lAJhere sornE! of Uds lflOI'lE!IJ hr:·1S gonE!? Where are the new wildl ife of f i. c t:! r' s ?

W her · c~ ,., r' E! 1.: he uo] unt.E:!t'l" S , and Ud s s or·t of Hd. n g? 01'' IJ.J r'l. ~; 1-.!Ti ~; j 1.1 !; l: lJ (:! , .. bd l nons ense J:ike a Jot of stuff that I. ::3 9 ()II . J 11 ·1 ':J 'i , l 9 g ll I.J o 1. I< I. i·.JJ'i :; 9

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I) l'l IAf." i. l'". h? M r~ . :3 P f:: (.) K F R : The hon . th~:~ Pl"c,,s:idE!nt of 1: h (~ Coun c ·i. 1 . MR. !3TMMS: Mr . Sp ea kE!r·, that :i~; notE! lH!l"Y p J. e •:\ sa n 1: ~~~• :tiJ l: o ,,, ~; k c.~ q uPs l.: "i. on ft +·. all, and for that r·eason aJ. onE! it s h () II J. d b I·J I) 1.1 l: 0 f CH' d E! y· J b Ll ,. I IAI"i . ll. try to answer to question. Mr. Speaker, HwrE ! have becc!n since 1983 additional wil.rl1ife offic ers hired. And, Mr'. Spt::~ai<E!r', UwrE! have been funds prou-Lded ln Lhe estimates of other governmen t rlepartments fo r edu catio ~ al purp oses and ot her ma tcters .

But !n0$ 1: J111 p ortr.~n t of t~ ll., Mr . Speak er, the minister presently resp onsi ble , ~ n d a1J of his pr edecesso rs, ha ve worked in d rn.:lgn :i.fi ceni : '"'•ilY to lnetn;;l.gl'.'! i·.h ;~t very imp orta nt resource for Lh e benef ·i.l· of the peopl e of t.h ·is Prov ine:{:~ , and will c()nb nue t·o do so. f'l:; ;:l rn~ltl ·.t·~r' of fr'IC I~, "( bE:l} ieu c,~ U1e :in cr·ea se :.i.n l :i c E~n ces o l.l (:~ r· i · h e p i'l :; l. c u 1 1 p T C! n f y f'! d r' s indiccli:.(:1S hoto~l IAIE~J.J. mi:l.rragc,•d l..hdt . I' e s o '·' I' c: n · i ~; .

IncidE:'ntally, I am l"a 'L hel" CUI "iou s thr'll: ·it 1~10111d Li·\kc'! l".he rrwlrtbl'!l" f·"i.vc• years to ask a SOrllt: 'i":h ·i.ng l':hd-1:: lAid ~> years ago . Where lj(:li"tr '!> <.·1go? ~\lhy d·Ld quE•st:lon then? MF~. BAIRD : que stion on dlli10Un ce d r·ilJ ('! lAlEI S h f" f j IJ E! hr '! nol -. dSk d H f:! lAid s r·u nn L ng a boa r·cl.i. ng house. Ml~. STMMS: He could haUE! c!S i<E:'d it l:hE!n . He C ()Ill. d hi:\

l) C'! i:"l S !< (' cl i. 1:: i:'l n y 1- j l fl f" lA I "i, l. h .i 11 the last fiue years. It ju st goe s +:o ~;l·1or~.J, ~1r'. Sp edk er, Lh e1i: l::hl o'IJ rE!ally haue l"Un out of arnrnun :it :ion o tJ E! t' L h f'! r· f' o n i. h d t ~; -i d (! o F t h r:! Hou se. l\lo . ri ll 1~390/l

MR. EFFORD : Mr. SpPal<<:'r . MR. SPF.AKlR : The->. hon. the~ member' for Port de GrctV<:~. MR. EFFOIW : My quE:~stion :is to my good friend, l:hE:~ Mini.stc:!r of Murl"i.cipi'll Affr.t::i.r·s (Ml". Bl"ett), and it is concerning Lhe COIJncil.s .i.n Por·l". c:IE! Cr'i'ltJr-) distJ"ict. Ml".

SpE:~cAker·, stnce the c cl p i. 1-..'tl g r· an l.: s o f $ q.?. . 5 rn i. ll. i. o n tltc.~t th<->. rn:ln:i.stE~I" I"EH:E:~nt.J.y c'll'll'll)llflC0.r:l flf'(~ in Uw ror'lll of l.Oi'ltl gudJ"ant<:!E~~~ and no·l actuEJ.J cash 011 Ll.<'t'JS, IA.IOuld i:h1:' nri .n i.s I r:~r· Lt·)ll . l-It:] !; !louse 1Alhy counc:iJs in Hw cli~;LricL or Por 'l. de'~ Ct'r'\IIC, 1-<JI' exi:lniplE~, the Town of Bay RobE!l"i:s, IAJhi.ch ha~; '" 11AI'l cr··c~d ·i.l ... t'<:1t ·ing, d·i.d lied- I"E:!CEd VE~ a J OiHl guar·anh,~e ~;o l:h;:~t l:hey co1tld UH'r'y on tlv'! ·i r' water and sewage work for this y E'i'H'? MR.

SPEAKFR : ThE:1 hon. the Minister· of Municipal Affai.r·s. MR. BRETT: T wouJ d have to take that as notice, Mr. Spectker. Many requests for approval to borrow c o rm~ ·i, n e a c h IAHH:! I< <:~ n d I l..r.JC)IIl. d n o t. necessar·ily knm.u about thE~m until t~hey go l:.hro1 .1gh 1-.:hr-:~ f·i.ndi1CH committee and then come back to my dE! S k . S 0 r (;! cd. J. y [ IAJO Ill. d h d lH' "\: 0 gE:~t.. that infoi"ITJClt:ion beforE:~ I COiil d dtlSIAIPr "\:hE! qi.IC:'St·i _on. MR.

HFORO: --------l'i :·;uppJ emenh::li"Y, Ml". ~~pE:!akt~l" . r~ R . ~) P f A I< F·: r~ : l'i !: u fJ fJ J P mE:! n t a r· y , t hE' h on . thE:! I liE! lni:H'~ l" r o l" Pur· i·. d c Gr- r.t lJ ~~ . 11-1 R _ EFFOfW: Ml". FOr' Speake1", :il: :is l .. he M.i .n'i.s l·:el" C"' bjt unfi'l].r' of r"lu n i. r::i . p,;1l. I 390":> July S, 1988 VoJ XL Affairs to make a statement mi. s l. C:! c:ul:i n g the H o 1.1 s e ·1 L k e that whe~n he kno~..r.Js full WE~l1 that Lhe ME~yor of Bc:'l.y l~ober'ts for· thE!

J.ast three year's has hE•1d mE•E!tings IArith thE:1 DE!part.lnt=•nt: of Mun ·ic·ipal Affatrs conCE!rning this rnati:.E!r' . Th :i ~' ·i.~; nut f:l srnal.l. colfll'TllHJ"i .l ... y. r: 1·: i s one of the top co mrn u n j U e s i n thE! l s l. <'1 n d o F ~J !:' IAJ f o 11 n d l. a n d . ~,J h 1J i. ~; i. t U1 <!! l... I" h r~ M :i_ n -i_ ~; ·I· r:• r' o i M u rd c l p a 1 A f fa i r· s , lA I h o j u ~' t r·· P c 1-) n l l. 1J cl nn o 11 n J: r~ d ·:-. h r': s E! CJ r·· i:·l n t: s , would not approve a Joan ·~ 11 t:1i'' i-Hl l:r,~ (·:~ . '( o u do n c>l': CJ i IHo~ 1:: he ruoi'H:!Y.

Why IAJouJd you rtcd. etppi"OlJE:! l o d n g 11 i:\ t' d n 1·.1'~ c ~; f o t' l: he commun:lties . of Clarke's Beach, C11p ·id~; dl 'ld fld'J Robt:~r·l ·:;? Tl·lt=:'Y l'li'!lJ1:~ exCE:!]lE~nt Clnc:~d::it 1nat:Lng~; and hatJ(;! i:ll.IAkl 'j ~; p "l i. d I: h r) · i. r' b · i. l-1 ~; cl. l no c o s 1:. t.o thE:~ Pl"ou:inCJ::'. MR. SPEAKER: ThE~ hon . l .. hl'~ M"i.ni.:;t:E!I"' of Mt .ln ·i.c·ipal Affairs . MR. BRETT: M r· . S p t~ a k E~ Y' , 1 .. 1·1 t:! s i;1111 e <Hl s !AH'! r· , I would haue to go and check on that specificdlly before r would be prepared to answer iL. MR.

EFFORD: A fi.nc:ll. suppl.emPntc:·lr'y, Mr·. ~;p~:.dkC:!I~. MR. ~3PF::AKER: ·-------·---Oi"dE:'Y', plNlse! The t:ime for Oral Que stions has el~psed Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given RFMJFR PFCKFORO: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPFAI<ER: Th~) hon. l:h<:~ P r· e lll'i.E:! r . No. 6 8 R390~i

PREMI ER PECKFORD : I would like to respond to qiiE:'Si .:i.OI'l!) r'ISkcd Yf:' :>h~r·d;~y. Hot~J ruu c h has M r· . Lough e c,~ d , thE! f o nn~~ r· p r' (~ nri. e r·

C) r () l. be r {JI. I IAJ h 0 IA](H '' k !; r <) , .. the Go~1ernrn~~nt of Newfoundland, bE! (:' n p '"' i d !i 0 f.H · U·l'i. !) y ~) r'lr'? All!;t~Jel'': $600. The d.mount of rnonc.:>y Hl.:~l : h •::t :; b e·t-Hl p.- ;d. d Uri.:; y e <!i r· I o t.he law firm Mr . Lou gh ee d. j s r:l l: i:<:\ C h 0. d I. 0 I~Jh j C h cl 01- ~ :; lA )() r' k f

I) t' H 1e Province on legal an d ta xl:l tio n wat:i ~e r·s r·cJ.,~l. i. lJI ~ i:o l:h~~ offshor·e. Answer: Zero dollars. AN HON. MF.MB ER: Is that thj s fiscal year? PREMIER PECKFORD : Yes . for, That is this yeclr . MR . SPE(lKER : Or·del", pleasE:'! PRfM[ER PECKFORD : IAJhat I was as i<E:~ d ThE! question 1.uas askc.:>d how much rnorH:'Y d-Ld for'lllEJr' Pt'E!W i.E!t ' l.ouyhPed n:c(d.ve thJ .s ye!c.tr·? It is $600 . (lnd For l:hE! J.,,.,,~J F ·i.r·;n i:o d.:~l:e i:l·l'i.·; yeC!r : Jt:,:ro dollar!;. How much IAJ i.ll . IAJE! pay Mr ·. I,OIIgheed beFor·e l·l1c :• yectl" is out?

HE:! is under a conl:r'dt: i: of $rl0,000 r.1 yr '!i-H', dnd t l1at money w:i J J b~:! p<::dd accor·d:l ng i:O I*H'k flE!r'i-Or'lrtCd. /IOIAJ nii.ICh 1..1ri.ll. the law firm receive before the yc '!dr' i!; 01 .1·1? ~-.lc'• do not : knOI.AJ. That d~~ pEHIC1 s on the nE:! goti~ t:l on s dnr:l IAJhd L IAJOr'k 1,1)0. yi ,lJe 1-.hf~ 1<.~1,\) r i.nn to do. ~iom~~body alh•ged yesterday thc-1t the l.;::u.u fi.nn IAJi'IS pcl.i.d $ll-OO,OOO. T an1 having that chec ked out to see how much the 113.1 ..\J fi.r·• n tAms pa id last year.

The mon ey they were paid lclst year ·, ho u.JE:we r much i.t wa s, ~nd hopefully I will get tha t figure befor·e l:he day i.s out , l~otas pajd for work performed by the fi. r·1n on bo th l.egal. u1atl ~r~rs de~'1l i.ng IAdth negot:iations on the offshore, I 3 90\i .J' Ill. y' ·~ , I 9 B 8 Uo1 XI o-1nd lilO!;t !"elated to p .;~ i" ·1- -j r: 1 1 1 d r' T y taxation and d ~; L L l"OYi'llty n~r:-1!-.IJ!(':; d~~r:1l ·in•:;J IAJi .l·h Lhe oFfs hor ·e , to g:iue us the bE:'St betckgr·ound ·i_nf'Or'lllr.1J:·i.on i.O l'lfc!gOi:.J,,1.{:(:!

IAJi.1~h r:d.: -1-h(-:! tab] r:~ 1.utt h the fed~,,~a]. gotJHr'ntllt:!nl : i:Hld IAJ'ii:h ·i·.i-11'! cor np,'ln te~; . Oh, y c-~ s, ·1: hl:: qtli :H' bH ' 1. y repor ts from Mr. t ou gheed: We 1·1ave I'IO 't bt· )()l'l •:tb l ~)

h) tn •. d(f l tho st'J r F.l p (>r' b; pu.bl :l c, prima rll y bE:l cause all the r r~po r·l.!> •.Hld i.nfol"nla i::i .on Mr. Lo ughee~ provided us wjth is very, IJ(:t' Y 9tH'nlt'\rll':'l to , jn par ·ttcular·, the Hibernla negotiations . MR. TULK: There patented, I suppose? PRFMIER PECKFORD: No, no . MR. SIMMS: You gtJys migh t bE:~ stup id enough to rio i.l:, l;)lli: I)JE! IAJOI .IJ.d 1'10-J: . PRE MlER PECKFORD: Mr .

Lou gh eed is wor ·king -for us I· hi ,:; lJI:H ' y rnome n l: .::~ :> J i: r• e 1. ,;~ tC:! :; l:o H j b E:H ' rti l:l, at l his v E:l r y hour , this 'H-lry :>t)con d . lie ·1~ in'l:o l:r:l1k:; tAdt .h the fede r·aJ governmenl and i:hr :1 t:o mp ;;ud~ ):> , <:tnd IIH· ~ (:0111 d no 1: ·in all conscience release t h~ t ·lnror·m.;Ji :ion H1.311 · ht :t:> be en f or·'1 7 h coming over the J as t couple of yc'!rtr•:; ft'O Jn Mr ·. Lo1.19~HH• rl. bE:! cause most of it :is germane to i.he t:omp~'1ni.~ )S 11Je r.tr8 d~ ~a1-Lng with .

Fo r example, I can giv e in a g e n e r-r.t 1. lAlr:l y b :i. s a s s e s s lfl\' :1 n t of the companies, of thedr structure, of l~ he tAJ(3\ y the y r:l r e s I~ r U c 1: t.1 r E! d as compani es , their involve ments .:n·ound the world , how hE! per·ceives they will approach differ ent l::;stle:> deal i.ng wi. l:h Hi.bc ,~rn i. a, and even more sensitive information . Becijuse over th~ yeAr s no t only has he provided u s with t h ct t -i.nfor tna1 : i.on, he ha::;, on inst ru ctions from the go vernment, 1\lo. hn :< 3 ') 06

ruPl. '"J:i th thE:~ contpctnJE:~s on an ongo ··ing b•:tSi~> <:'IS IAit::!ll •"lS IAJil:h ruernbE:!r's of Uw f~:!derctl govE:~rnrnent, bol:h pol.i.f.:i.cdl. <"~nd bttr·~~dttcr-,'l.l·:·ic. So I could not r·elease it at th:is point i.n c."i.\110, in part.i.Cijl.ar I because it would bear directly upon the ongoing tctl.ks that we are having IAdt.h the oil companies. SpecificclJly $600 has bE!E!n paid to 1'-1r'. l..oughE:!ecl s:i.ncE~ r.tpr··Ll. 1., i'lnd zc:~ro dollar·s ·t~o the law fir·m. Mr. Lougi·H~C'!d '"''tl.l be P"'·i .d, ~H~ccwse h(o! h~s been re-engaged by the go tJ CH' rliiiE' ITI.: Hd ~; y (~ r.u· a l~ $If.() I 000 .:' ~; j ts r·~~ta:i nf~l" for doing th:i s wor·k ! 7 ell" l:l-10 9 C)

l) e r· rlln(;! n 1:. H 01~1 rn11 c h t h:~ 1 CIIAI fi rru tAd. J J. b~~ p<:d d bE~f ore the ye.u· i.!; out tAd.ll dr:1fll-'!tld on tAII·l;'tL I~JOI"k tAlE:! gjVE! rhf:!ITJ in pjthC·H' thE! nt-:!got·j;., l:·i ons Jl·i.bt-:!1"1'1 iH lc~thH'ly, lllh i. c h lild y (l( ,l t . the TE!I"I"i:\ No~Jd

C) c ,; I It' lH:> f lH' I-'! Ul (! MR. SIMMS: ~ good answer . DR_:.. COI .. I.T.NS: Mr· . Speaker. MR. SPEAKr:R: or'~ ta] k ~; 1 y e"' r· i !; HH'! han. the Minish1r of Health. OR . COLL,INS: M r· .

S p e a k e r· ~ i. n Q u ~=· s t. .i o n P C:H' i. o d yesb:~rday the hon. the rnernbE!r for Port rle Gr~ve stRted th~t there 1~1er·e tiJ.IO patients who, Jast WE!dnesday, Jun~:! 9, t11r·nud up dt the Health Sdenu•s Complex after dl'l r:~cc:i.clr:•nl.:, i.~nc:l h(o' clr:-,:i .Jned l:hi:'i: t h P s 1::1 p Cl t i f~ n t ~; I" e q u :i I" e d c1 d nd s s ::i o n c:Hl cl IAJ(::1 r• (! c:l ~:' rl ·j C d j_'[_ f () r• ,:., 1"1 Ill fib('> r• () f how·s. T ~:ajd l IAJOU]d look ::into Ud s rn<:1i:h.,~r· ;-u1d r hi·1t)f~ donf:~ !;o . r~R. u·FOl"W : t'1 p o 1. n-t. of o I'' d e I" , M I" . S p E:! d k e l" • M R . :3 P

U) K F J( : (1 pojrd of or·der·, thE1 hon. the 1.390'7 .1 ''1. y s , ., 9 a a tJo l /(I member for Port de Grave. MR. EFFORD: Tht' hon. i:.h<-:1 Mini .~:;tc-:H' or=- 1·/ec.·,lt·.h 'i.S mJ.slead:ing thE• House, and that is t-ho poi.nL I IAidtTI: l:.o mdh~. I said very clearly yesterday that the yo1.1ng gi.rl h~d <'11'1 acc:i.dc=!nt; \~hE• other !Alas a PE:1ntecostal Pastor· fr·orn l:.he comrnuni.l:y of Por·t dE! Grave tAJho had taken iLl.. That j s l: hE! r· (''.'''son h r~ IAIH s i. n t h {'II~ corridor . ThE:' re !Aier' e not tiAJO people in an accident. MR. SP~AKER : Order, please! That is not a point of order.

The hon. l:he M::i.n:i ste1" of 1-iE~aJ.I:h. OR. COLLIN~) : r"l t' . ~) p t~ d k t! r. I • i. n l)" i ('! IAJ 0 f t·: h i. s jnfor·rnatjon, I w-.iJ.J hdVE~ sornE!th::ing t-:!l.Sn l:o l.nok ·i.nl:o dnrl T IAri ll br· ·i.ng l·.h,:d: bd C k l::r)I00l"'r'0!)1. MR. EFFORD : (IndiJdJ.ble). DR. COLLINS: What 1 will bring up al: l:he prr:~sent tjme is that I contacted the Hedlth Sciences administration, not directly but i:hr·o11gh people in IllY dr:~par·l·:tnc;!nt.

I might say incidenta11y ~ M1~. ~3pE:1dkE:11"' 1 i.·.hdt. 1~1hnn l:h·i .~:: n1a\".:i·:e1" came up yesterday the hon. the I . e "' rl E! r· of 1-: h e 0 p p o :; i ~: i o n [ l: h ·i n k Hansar·d !Ad.J.l shol.tl that. - and :;orn~!r)l"lt! cc.lsrc! s;,, ·id, 'Oh, ~~r·. :-:ffot"d had been in \".ouch wjth l:he ;,,dm Ln i. ~; i:r'i·11:·i .on I or· l:wo n in l·:ou c h t.td.t.h thE:~ hosp:Lt.al.' When I got. :ln i:<)llch ~~ri Lh Htt-:!rll i h::~y sd id l:hE •y hc1cl not hc-:!dl"ci fi"Orn Ml". Fffol"d, dl"tcl, ·i ndHc•d, Hlt-:!Y hi·\l'l bt•en llndblf. ~ t:o contact Ml".

Fffol"d as a l"(o!SU] 1: of my gPI:I :·ing in l.nuch IJ.rilh t:he111. MR. FFFORO: N o . r; a r~:J9CJ7

A point of order, Mr. Speaker. Mr. SpQdkcH', l··_h(:~t -j s d tot1:1l untruth. MR. ~->PE()KU?: Or·dN·, pJ NAS Ci-1! Ml~. rFTORD : On e1. po ·i.n1·. or or·df~r·, Mr·. ~)pt,1<-l.kf!r' llt'1 i.s Hri .·;l.Hdd i.ng Lht~ IIOI.I!>t ·~. !30MF HOI\J. M fMfl f.l~~3 : S:i t dmun! ~"J:i.t dotAJrl! MR . F.TFOIW: Mr . Spcc1akE:11", my point of ot~dE~r is that Saturclwy Htor·ni .. ng r phoned the adrrdn:istrator c\t the hospital- MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! Order, please! The hon . JnE:1mber· i.s not r·r:dsi.ng r.1 point of or·der . The hon. l:hE! Mi.ni.Sh!r' of l·lec:~ll :h . DR. COLLINS : Mr· .

Speakc".lr·, I t.uj lJ r·ea d Han sa rd 0 f 1. 0 d r.\ y d rl d t IAI 'i. ll. b o:\ C k l. r' <'I C k 0 1)(:1 r tl·ds. r.o let nte gflt on wj th wha t I d in s.::~yi.ng tlOt!J , llrll)i .ng conl:i:\cl :ed ·lite llei:IJ tIt Sciences Conrpl ex, t.hE:lY 9<'1.()1) lfl(~ 1-.h i !) i l'l ror'fllo't l:'i on: MR. F.FTORD : T~ : t-I-red : factual? (Tnaud:i hJ cc!) . DR. COU .. HJS : Arc,1 you say:irrg th<:1y an:1 t:E!lling ITIE! lies? rlJR. F::FFORD : You are repeattng ltes t.her'E! now . DR. COI..LINS : I am going to teJ.l you what they tol.d HIE!. MR.

SIMMS: liE:~ is g:i.v:irrg t:hr:~ informe1tion hr:1 1..390!3 .J11ly r~, 19BB l)o l X I was given by the HeaJ.th SciE!nces Cornpl(·~X. DR. COI.LINS : --··------·--· Thf~ jnfot~ruati.on I IAJas g:.i.V(~n on Jr1ne ?9: T1~1o pdt·it '!nt·.~ ; Fr ·om 111ol::or · a c c i d c:~ n 't s tAlE! r c->. t r C:' atE! d :i n o u I" t-~rnt'!t''Jf!ncy cJ,.~p,:n· ·l·.nwni:. Ont-:! p,:~t ·iE :!nl-: at~t"ived at ttAJE!1VP o'clock, tAias {:j"t,~< 't'I:Cd ror· lo:~Ct·:!r'd1:-.i.On~; .:tnd d :i. S ChargE! cl a"\:. 14-; 3 0, that :i. S t·.

IAIO i.~ n d •:\ h <~ ., (' h 0 II r' !; 1 i~\ {·. f:! i" . {' h ·j ~; 1.•.1<:\ S out-pclt.:i.c-?.n'l: t.J"eatnlr:~rJt. giuE!I'l Lo l·. h i't I: pi:\ r· ·l ~ i. c r 1l i.'t r· p r:l : ·. :i. c:. n 1· .. The othE:.r pat:l.E:Hlt: cll~r·:iuE!d at 1.1.: 4-0, l'.IAJE:'nty 1rr.i.n11 I.E!'-: to hAH"!l.\)~:·, a n d h rl d a c o 11 e ' s f r cl c t. u r E! IAI h i c h IAI c\ s d E:' t to! r' rrri r1C :1 d I·~ o r· E:! CJ u ·.:i. r· r:1 reduction. A colle' s fr·acturE!, i.'ll'ld l~hr:1 hon . for'IIIE!r' M"i.t·t .. i.s+:t::!r' of Health wilJ, I am sure, confirm thi .s , "i.:; a Fr·actrH'C'! of 1-.I'H '! ,,,Jr'J.st.

That rE!quirE!d reduction and thE! patient was kept in l::he out-patients department until - MR. EFFORD : You are wrong . You are wrong . Dl~. COL.LINS: tll'lt ·i.J lhe oper'd"ting r'oom lAid~: ready - ~-!i.:_.fl F Q R 0 : l h 1-~ r··

f) uni:j] LtJH S rro I h i. n '3 do n E! tht1 next n:lght !) ' c: l. 0 c: k . ~JL_2f E A _!if R_ : 0 r· d e r· , p T e ct s e ! DR . COLI IN S: at. 1700 hours . a p p , .. ox i. rr~o:~ t: e 1 y r i. \) e twenty minutes later. Ml~. EFFOfW : You are IA.Irong . DR. COLI INS: tAJ i. l: h t h e rn i'lt SC'!VC'!I1 That h 011 r· s is c)(l'ld t am quot i ng wh~t [ have been told by the Health Sciences Complex . No. r;e R3908

ThE:' pat':ient IAJet~: tToet'h'd thEH'e and l~lr'l~> :;11bseq11(~nLl.y cHIHri.'o:l:r:'d, i:1Fi:er· thE) oper ·at:ion, and t.uas d-.i schctr·ged on J11l.y 3. rJI r· . S p e (~ k e t' , T b r· i. n g o ' It: Hw s e fetcts as another refutation of the s l. (,~"' L e c '-'' m p <~1 i. g n t h d 1: h r.1 s b (~ (-'! n p 1.1 t in place by the Leader of the Opposit:i .on s·i.ncE~ hE:~ ca1ne -Lnl~o Uri .s House as a way of 11 raising the l. E~ u e l. i n Uri s H o u s e 11 . I h "' u e stood in my pJ.ace and I haUE! refuted on the basis of factual information MR. FFFORD : On a po i.n 1:. oF p r"i . 'J i. J.

E! g e , Mr· . SpE~akE:~ln . MR. SPF.:AKFR : A po int of pr··i.,Fi .l,:•gt::, Lhr:' hon. l:ht,~ lll(~rnbJ:H' for · Por·t: d( ~ Gl"i:IU( :'. Mi( . FFFOIW : Mr ·:. ~)petii<PI", T i'.lrn a menii:H :~r of l:h:is : i o 1 1 s E! o 1:- A s s ern b l. y ·'I. ~; IAJ t:! ·r l. i·1 :; · i. :; the hon. l.he M::i rd s u~,.. of HE::a] th. My pr·i.wi.l.t:~ge:; ·i.n thi:; Ho11se iH'e bej r1g u:ioJ.i:th,~d by t h::i.~: MinistEH' of H~).'lll.:h !)l:dnd·i tlo.j c'\nd Si:'ty·i ng Umt E~uc->.r·yHdng J said her·t::~ in this House of AssPrrlbly yr:~:;tet"ddy -Ls totaJJ.y untrue.

The Minister of HE!c11lh kno1~1s f11ll IJ.tE:ll. l:.h,'l.l-. I~Jhdl: he is saying to the House this a f i: e r· noon is to+: e~.ll. y f d l s (! r.1 n rl i. s making me out lo be a liar. SOME HON . MEMRERS : Right on! HeiH', hPi.'lr! MR. Ei~Fo:w : Tf thE! Mirdster of HPaJth :is going i·.o chc,~ck i he Fdc 1-:s M R . ~3 P F: A :< F R : <kdei", pJ ea~:e! Tl1o l10n . mr:~rnber·, as see, ·i. ~; db I 1 !; ·i ny i· ht! I 3909 July s, l98a FfH ' as I can p r' ·i wi .l 1:! 9 (! ~:; () r V(J] XI ot.h(,~r l'llE:'IT\bE:'r'S. The hon . rn(c!rni:H:H' h i!l ~; .:·11. !) o i:1 c c 1.1 s E:• d l: h (:~ h o n . 1:: h f!

Minist~r of Health or conu8ying (~c'll~;E:'hOod~;, 'i.n o1 ·:her' IA!OI''ciS, thai· .: he is lying to the Hous(,~, and I IAIO II J d d $ !< t he h 0 n . \f\C :' In ~)f '! I'' 1:.0 withdraw these remarks he made. The hon. the member for Port de Graue. MR. EFFOIW : Mr. Speaker, what I did say was th<'lt. l:ht:~ hon. thE: M·in i. sl .c,:r · of Health was making mE~ out to l:w c! J :i. iH' . [ d -j d J'l 0 i: S d y t: h c'1 1:: h E:• I>.Jfl S 1 yin g , I said he t.ua s mc1lci n g me out +: o b ~) J. y i. n 9 1.: o 1: he H o 1.1 s P o F Assemb1y .

If, in somE• IAJay, J cl:.id Hri :d n t: E!r ' p r' 1:' l: h · i. !) I.<H H' cl ~; , l IAri. ll withdraw any comment I made .:·1 c c 11 ~; i. n g i h f) ~IJ·i. i'l'i . s I I'! r· of H f'~ ·'ll. ·i·: h oF uttE:~I"ing untruths. l)f~. COL l. [i\1~3 : Mr· . S pE:~aker·, ju~;l to f.i .n:ish oul my •'·1 n :>IAJt<: r· -l:o '!' h r-:: q 1.11:'! :; i ·in r1 . r"'r~. srMr'l~3 : -------Was there no point of pr-.iuilege? MR. SPEAKER: T IAJO 11l d 1 J k E:: L o Fin ·i ~:; h on L h cl t point of priuilege.

The hon. member was not in any way making <'1 point oF pr· -Lvi.lE~ge, he took aduantage to gE·t up and E:~xpl c.·d .n h:i .s po ·i.nt: of u l.E~l>.J on a certain matter t.hat the hon. the Mtni.s hH' of iledllh IAidS r·eply ·Lng to, and that is not a point of pr·i, ;ilc,~gr c:, no pr· -ilnd fac to C t'ISt! whateuer. The hon. t.he M:in:ister of Health . DR. COl.

I INS : Mr ·. ~·)fH :~r.qb~i", f ;·11f\ r'Pl •'l'J i nq ·l:o the House the,, j l'lfotnrnat.J.on gj uPn lo rne by d h·i.9h oFJ- ·ic ·i.,·ll r:·1l ihH IJe,:~l·l-h ~3c:i encc '!s CompJ ex, ·l h(;' CE•rH :'\"a1 JJ 0 ~; p ·j L c'1 '1. ·j 1'1 0 i h C i'' lA)!) t" d :; , IAI h C) ··j S No. 68 R3909

r·esponsibl('! for tht'1l : inst·ttul: :i.onl r.HI d a 1 s o I i n c i d e n t: a 11 y I for thE! M·Lll.E>.r' inst-Lt:ui:i.on. [ hr'llH~ d IAll"ttt~>rl communiccd:·ion from hirn on l.·.h(~ lllr:·d:tc'!t' IAJhi ch [ hctV(~ fctc J·:udlly g:i.ven to l ~w 1-ious(~. I elm 1Ali1ling J·.:o l:dbl.<:• l·.:h"i.s l<'!i:l::.:H' but·. not. lod<':lyl J hi-lV<:' not got.ten bdck to l:hr,~ -i.ndi.tJ.idllRl. l.o g~~i·· h·i.!; per·ru:i:.~don .

T do not. know if I noed P''~r'trl"i.!;!; ·i.onl btli: T ;un cc-~ r· t a :i. n J y n o t . g o :i. n g t o d o i t tA,-i .Lholll br··i.nging i.l ·. lo hi:; cd'l·c,!ntion. ] w:.iJl do thc~t as soon d s T c i-\ r\ I r."' n d i. f 1-. h r.:: r !) i ~> tH j:H·obJ E:lrt l fr·om th ai" indi vi duCil, I lAii.l.l. l:t'l.bl.e •l:bt-) l.ei :i.t :H', be1:i:\II :H~ f. th :i nk th~l hon. m ernb el" has S tlggc, ~:> l:ed 1 do noi : l<nov .J wha l: l'lr.~s I1Cipper1ed to hj ru today - that I wi .sh to J:ie to i:he Ho•.1se otJtH' thi.s nrai. te r.

I canno t conceive what advantaga i.t IAIOt.IJ.d be t-o do so . '( am quoting the informa tion given to Hie i.n written form, r.\nd i_f the person who wrote the letter is willing t:o have it tabled, t have no problem in tabling it. SOME HON. MEMRFRS : Hear ~H :~c H'! MR. ~3PI':AI<ER: Thf! hon . thE:~ M"injs'Lcc!r of Pub1ic ~~or·k:;. o R . TlrJor·1 r: Y : Th<'l .nk you, Ml" . SpE~al«-:>1" . T tAJ'i :;h l:o l:i:1bl ~~ ·in l:h i :; til<·! <HlSlAJE'!l" to que~; ·Li.on by i:he hon. Lh1-~ lrlf-:!tnbc :!r' · i"lcty d 1 [S!JOj I". MR. RRFTI ·: Mr . Speclker . Ml~. SPEAKER : hon .

Hotl!;(~ 18'7 asked icn· flt1r·gno The hon . thE:~ M:inist<,~l" of Municipal A F f <'1 i. l'' s . MR. flRF.rT : M r . SpeakE! r , I wi s h l: o tab 1 e the U9l0 Jlll.y 5 , 19ll8 Vol XI . rHJSlAlf'!T'S l:.O quest i.ons pl.dC('!d on thE! Order Pap~'r by thE:' hon. the rnernbE·r · fo1 " RondtJ~i.:;td 1\JOl"l::h ;:rnd l::he hon. the mE:~mber for StephE!nv:illE•. I do no l·. hi :·1'H.~ [··.he rlllfllbei"S I but· . thE!T'E' are answers to five questions. MR. WARRFN : i"' r• . S p (:~ •:'I k EH' • MR .

SPf(li(FR : The hon. thE' M:irdsi.E!r· of Nort.hE:!I"I'I I)~~ lJ c•l. o p men i: MR. ~'I}()RI~F.:N: 'iVii~ s p c,~ ctie l" I J t a b J e t hE! a n s ~.~, E! r· L u .:-1 qtl,,~~;i: ·i.on <:1:;ked hon. the-:> rn~~rnb~'l" 1J !'.! !; l: (!> 1···' I o:t 1J b 1J I h c For· St. HaJ"bE'! on l·. h C:! In i. n ·i :; L (·~ r· I :; ~:) p t! c i r;) J. ~\1 r·) r· r· r'l n l:. r::- 0 r· $4S,OOO. MR. SIMMS: Why cl:i.d yotl no 1:. dl'lSIAJE '!r .. i.t? MR. WARREN: Mr. SpeakE!r, maybe I should anst,1.JE!Y' i. t. .

S 'i. n c e J <:-1 n u <H' y , 8 , S ;;~ lc>tr· ·i e s $19,735.67; Travel - $13,363.21; Suppl.'i.es · $387.76; Purchas ed Services- $1,822.02, for a total of $31),308.66 . licl-:ur'll1y •ue did not usE:' the ful1 $4-5,000. Thei"E! IAJd s d s d tri. n •::J of (I> 9 , 6 9 1 . 3 11 .. sor"'E liON. MF::Mflff~~> : Heal", hc,~al" I Petitions Mf?. B()KFR: ···-------Mr·. Speai<Pr. r~f?. SPFAI<FI~ ; The hon . thE:! mPrnbE.~r Fnl" CcHidl'!Y' . Mr~ . fl(ll<fR : I IAJould like Lo address a p E:~ -1:. t -1:. -L o n . 1\ f'! d l. l y I rJJ r· .

S p e r)1 I~ e r· I therf:~ are two pEd::i tions in onE!, b u 1:. r· d 1-: h e r !-.: h r'l n 1-. y -L n g u p 1:. t rn e , I w:ilJ. put. them both togethE:!r. ThE!Y ~J o liB 1"?3910

<'!I""(-! about Lh~~ Sf.HJ1e top:ic, a r'(:_'(;jlle:;t l·h.~l· lh(• pr·o•.J·i .nci_,;, _l, (_:JOVC:~I'"I"IriiCI"I "[ PX~~J"t J.ts ::inf]UE:~nC~~ to fH'01JCI"1L ·Uw t'E'Ii"IO~J.·ll . or i·.h~~ :;l·ycl bJ··::idgtC> ovcT "l:.h~:! Nor·t"IIIAH~st Gander R i.•.JI:H ', i.Hlcl '•Je :;o pE! l·. i L i.on Uw Hou~~(:! of (.)ssE:Hrrbly. ThE:' ot:her· p e 1.: "i. l:. "i. o n , ~1 r· .

S p t:~ .:1 k r'! r' , h d :; t o d o tAd t 11 thE:• rn;,d ntenanCE:~ of that r·oad i.n ·~ pds~;.:~bl.c,~ c o n rl-i. 1". i. o n , 11.1 h J c h the bridge across j t'1voJ ves keeping l·:hE:~ r·i.•.Jer' .. [ would llke to say thRt there are 1,100 names on these petitions comb i.nC'!d, sl xty- --s:ix 1\JeiAJfoundl.clnrl, Ri:'lsqtH:!S t.o fr·orn ;::~ to h:l1 oF communities in fr·orn Por·t 6\IJX SL. John 1 s. They the concern that. rco!present-. l"t':~S::i.d~:11"lt"S hr :we <:'I bOll L IAIOOCJ!; I"Oi'ld. all over the Province U1P 1\Jor· i"".ht•Jt~:.> L C.:'\nrlet' M r· .

S p (~ o. k c-H' , y cw Llri J J n~ c a J. l t· hat f<t'llljE!T', Ot' fJOIAli:ll.C'!t', flll .l.l nc:J JJH~ ·i,r' IAJOod~; oper·at::ion totalJy out of Cl.C!J"lli.IO!)(I, Ol .tl: or i·hc 1\Jor·UwJC•!;I:. GandN· ar·ca. Jn dojng ,;o, thi':!Y r'l::!lflOIH'd i·lll. UH:~ jobs ror' -1-:h~::: pt->.opJ.c,, in GJ ern..uood etnd the t·otAI11 IAli:lS dt:!tJ.:'I!;ti:lh~d firktncL~lll.y.

Nnt~J th:is fc1.ll, it: has bePn d:iq :oVI':!red, 1.: hE! lj C:'l r' E: p 1 r'l n n i. n 1:J 1:0 1·: d k c;: I· h C': 1. ;~ s L VC-:!stjgE:1 at..Ui::ty fr·orn that comrnun:lty; Kr'I19E!t' dr'~:! going to I"C':,no•Je l·:hE! br·::idgE:! across the Nor·thtAJest Gander r~i .ver' IA.th i.ch dllOIAJ!) dCCPSS to Ud.s ai"Cc~a . Mr'. Spec-1ker·, pE!Ople frorn aJ l over l: h E! P r o v ·i. n c e 1.1 s e +.: h i. s r· o ad . T h e r· e ar·e 400 moose l:iCE!nces issuE•d f~VlH'Y i-C'll.l. by i-:hc,~ OE>.prH'hllt-:!1'11:: of Culture, Recrecltion and Youth, four hunrlrerl moose licences, in that smalJ area.

There are at l e t<~. s 1.: t hi r' ·I: y or· f o r· l: y c db 'i. n :> o n I h;,d- IAJoods r'oad, J pgal J y, g:i ven pc;!r'tn-i .:;s·iun by 1·hr-:· go•Jer'nlnenl:, by t-he DE:!pdr·l-nH::nt of ·t-he F r11ri. r' o n i 11 f~ n I T h I::! t' n d cJ i ! ; d :; o Ill" r: H () f j 1"1 c (I rn E'! r 0 I'' I· h (• p (! 0 p 1 E:' f r· 0 m I ] <J I 1.

J11 l. 'J ''i , ·1 'i llll 1)ol XI GJ.~~f'IIAJOod :ir1 "I ~H'ms of thE'! nii ·I:F:i .l".l:·i.ng i'lnd l:ili:O! h1.1nl .:ing i:HHJ fjsh:lng j,i', Pl"OV:ides, f.lJ'ld a SOUI"CE• of rood ·i.n i".t-::nll:; of I ht! berTy SE:!ason, tAJhc->.I"E:~ i'l Jot of people'! go tip i".hr-:•r'r'! i'lnd p·ic:k l:he:' v.:<~r· ·ic'•Ly of berries that are availabJ.e. It also provides them with :>OIIIlc~i:hing l·.o look "i:n "i.n the;• future, because a lot of p]ans hr'lve beun rnr.u:le, Mr. ~:-3peaker', concerning thE!

USE! of that road to d~~uelop Lh~:! cornrnun-i.l" .y, Lo d(:!V~~lop C"l tourism industry, a hunt:.:in~1. fi.sh:"i.ng i'lnd 91.1 .. i.d""i.ng i.ndusl-·.r·y, based in that community. All of a suddf:•n IAJE! d· .i.:;co•;er· Lhr"ti": l::he t'odrl is going to be removed. Upon :i.rn;esl:·i.gal ."i.on, of COIH' S ~', it IAJds dis COVelnE:~d it. IAIOU}d be qu:i l::C-:> 1-:~xpens·i ue l.o r·eb11".i.l.d l:ht-:! br ·:i.dge. Jt js possjble to put a t('!ITipOI"r.li''Y br··irig< -~ l·-.l-H:!r'r• Lh;:1l . U>lllcl bc-:• oper'CI.tjvE:~ for c1. coup]E! of rnonths dur· ·i.ng UH:!

Sltllilll!'•r·, bul: :i !:". t•JOLil d 1'1 a v Co! t o bE:' t a k (:HI o u [·: a g i'd n ::i 1"1 L h ~· F i·1l. l T l: ·i :; "' 'J H r·y :; n r· ·i. o 11 :,: s"1tuation. ThE:' rc-:>s id ent. s of thE:! a r' E!a, ·i.ncl.l .ld·inr:~ l.l~l~r.i.:;p(H'h:•, Ml". Spedker·, for·med an association. They have col.le<: l·.l:!d lfl(HlPY. ~-io Fc:H' Ll·wy hdve collected around $2,000. They hi:l\H~ done SOII"IO t'(~pd:ir' IAJOrk 01'1 i:he road. They did not corne to thE!

Min is~er of Transportctt lo n dnd sa y Look, it is your responsibility to kee p this road, l:hey did sornet hing themselves; they put thei r lime, ~ffort r::ln d rnon< -?.Y 'lnto kee p i.n g the road in at least passabl e c o n d i. L i o n , <:·1 n rl '-'' ll. t h ('! y "' r' o a s k .i. n g :is i:'l little hE~J.p frorn government r:l I~ 1·: h ':i. :; 1:. :-i. rrHc' i: o e n s 1.1 r· P 1:. h i'l 1:: L h a 1·: bridge stays therE:' so that U1f:! IAihol .e of I:IH·) 1\Jor-·l·.hi~J(•:; l: Cc:·ll'ld!:•r' rH'f::!d remains ctvailable noL only to them b II 1: 1:0 p E:! 0 p .. 1 f:' f r' 01"11 d J 1.

CIIJ H r' l.: h f" Pl"ovj nee,,. Ml". Spl"f.'li<E~In, I IAJOuld J:ike to 'l:ab]e ~.1 0 . (i il 1~391. '1.

the,~ pet:iU .on . MR. FURFY: l'-1r' . S FH:! r:1 I< e r· . MR. SPEAKER: To the petition, the member for Sl:. Barbe . MR. FURFY : hon. Ml". SpE~al<.::~r·, :r i:.trn happy to l"isE~ thE:~ to SllflpOr'l ". 1·1 -w pt'i'lYt:!i" or i-.!·w pnt·.·il·.·ion PI"E-!~;(!1'1-l-E•cl ~;o CCipi:.tb]y by LhE:' fiiCc~lTibE)I" r 1H ' C-:1 ncl P r' d nd l:o ~; ;~_ y, r.Jtr·. ~:_; p E~ d. I< l'! I" , 't: It i'~ l. j t j ~; C 0 ITHD E:! n d db]

E) l·hc h <.-u'clt~JOI'k th.:'IL he hi'l~> f}lll: ·in on '!' h :i ~~ p <'..II'· 'l'. j c u J a I" pI'' o j e c t. t o s a v P I· h i. ~; p .:1 r' 1·. i c 11·1. i-1 r· b 1" i.1l g l~ , be c: i·111 ~; r:! i.l · ·.i.s ·l.c:.~ntarnount 'l-o cutting off <'..1 l i.rel . i.nc Lo ~;o1nt' pdl"l:·i .t:lll ;:n· I"Ps:iden-t ~.; of thE:! comrnun:itiE:!S, in pdt··l:iCiilrH' l:ht' COI11Hli11T:i.i:y o'f- (;] emuoocl . Mr '.

Sper:lker·, h< ,1 rr.\i .sed HH l i.:>s11~ in Question Period yest erday, and 1 di.d no-t : see r:1 ny qu i.c!< p.ct :i.on or Hny sense of urgency by the governm ent to str:l 11 the des truction of this bridge or, ·i. n d e t:! d , 1:: o <,~ x (:! r t p r £'! s s 1.1 r· H o n Kr·ugE!r' to c~nsurE! that · this br·idge i. s a v i. tc:1l. t r· an sport l. "i. n !< be b1J~~ r::'! n the Northwest Gander Rjver area for dl.l. 1-.:he~;<,' coJnrnuni .L:ir,,~;.

Now, Mr·. :3poakE!r', , T Sltppos~) IAJhi:11': tAle c:~.rE! s~~E:d .ng osserdJaJ.ly, by se'~ "i ng Kr'Jtger · t~lc:ll'l 1-. l.o d'i.smdn t·:le "~ n d t" e rno u e t h :i s b r· :i d g e , is t h P f:i .ni'lJ. c:i~)i •tl:h bl.ot.~J, in l(klny IAJi'ly~;, f(lt" ·ti1P p~:!Opl e of G] BrHAJood. Ul'i :> ,., t:Cli11Hllt n ·i 1: y , r·'lr' . ~-; p e ·~ k e ,. , l hcd·. for· tmo~ny YE:!c'.li"S has SUl"V:.Lvt~d. Ttlller'•d, <'Ill 1:111'! job:; 1-.ht!t'P IAJC:!t 'C! d:ir·<,!c-l.]y r·E~lcl't:ed to thE:!

IAJoods i 1'1 d I I :; 1: t' y ; IAJ (! h.:'( r:l Clll t' l. l) \] ':!J (! r' ~; i:Hl d i'J]] '\'hE! pdt"t:i CUJ cH' IAJOOdS IAJOr'kE:•I"S 1.11 h o tAl o r· k C:! d 1: h I'! r· e . VJ ~) P s ~; r'.! n I·. i. d J. l y ~;dtAJ a commun::i .t.y dE~slr'OYE!d tAJhen IAJE! S'-'liAI Lh<'' p1tl .lo11L or flOI).Jdi ".(!r' i:11: i··.hdi·:. par·tj .cu1C1t" t:-irrtE!, e1nd not.u IAJhbtt Wr<:' L39 '12 July 5, l9aB Vo'l XI. are seeing js the final death b 1 ot.~J, 1: he f i. n a 1. i. n s 1.1 l t , i: he s Cll t in the wound, as it were, Mr.

Speaker, when we see th is particular vital transportation J i. n I< bel. n g 1: r.\ k <::H l at.ua y . A 11 t h a member · for Gander has been asking for· I~ he las 1: numb er of d a y: ~, and , in d e e d , wj 11 con t i n u e tc; a s k , j s l:hai : UJ'i:; sl.eel. bri .dgt! conHnqe to be->. maintaJ.nPd, bE! Jooi<E:!d aftet". MR. CAL. I. AN: -----( T n ;~ 11 d ·i b l 1-)) e s ~; I'! n 'L. ·i i:1l . r·1R . FUI~FY : Tht:' hon. thE:' mc!mbE·'l" f<H' I~E!]] c;,vtw kno1~1:; wlv1i: T •'Hil t:;-1lking i:\bOtl1-" ., hf:• has bJ":idgE!S :in h-.i.s r·idin~J IAihich 1:1r'C:! d i.r'E!C 1·. i l''i'll'l~>por·l·. l. :i. nk~;.

MR. B()TRD: You burnt a11 thi'::' brjdgt:'S :in yotH' ('-i,rl ·i.ng? MR . FUf~EY : rhe rno11L ·.h for· Hltntbr:!r' lrJc;,st, I SUppos~>., hE! IAJOUJ.d E!VE!I'l knouJ Jf hE! took l::he U me l:o tlrlnk about ·it:. MR. WELLS : He walks on the water . MR. FURFY : 'ffJ:> , l·.h~ rn~rnb~:.n · for Hu rnb <~ r Wf :!s t., that gr eat member who walk s on IAJI.'I ~:c r', •:! u ~~ n -:-h.-~ f·. rnern be r· tAJo ttl u I< nolAI jf he to ok three or fo ur month:. to p111 · h ·i~> br·;:l'in ·il 'l ge;u· i·:o l:hink aho u t jus i hou1 ir up(lr t cln'l it i ~ to J· he j:ll~

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I) I) lc! r·· rHil (! n L . i t ~; () l r h ; ·~ :; ·j s s u r'' d J::icer1SE!S for· PE'!Op1E:!, ~;ornE>. -l-:.h:i .t"ly !)[' f'cwi:y Co·lb i 1'1 !)IAII'Wt'S in 1::1'1(! Nort:hwest Gdnclt:•r· R:i.vet~ ar·ea, l .. o t:<H'r··y on i:H1d 11•;u thu~;(• d~; r'E:'CrE!dt:.ion Fac:.il:it'.ies, a~; f:ish:ing Ci'111lP s i'\1'1 cl h 1.1 n 1. ·j n •J c c:11np s . T n f iH: +-., as the;, hon. nH:!rnbt::~r· for Ce1nciE•t" so r··i.t.:Jhi:.ly pr:d nied 01 .11 ·., l:hr•y h<'l~U~ i·.o pay a fee to use this property, 1\J 0 . (i g IB912

th:i.~; Ci"Ot.\.11'1 J a11d. So tAJhi'lt thE>. go~Jt!t'ntnertl i.!> ~;dying ,,,;: .h lhe 1r-~fi'. hctild j ~; pioty YOill" feE'! to USE:' YOUI" c.~bi .1v;, <Hld c:n lho·) r·ighl' h<:Hld ·iL i~; tUI"l'l:iit9 CJ. b]jnd -·eyE:! to thE'!Se fll:~ up 1. P ,.,h o r:l I'!!' FH) r· i·l 1·. c 1 y rw e rl Uri . s ~; ·t-P e J b r· :l d g E:' to "'c U'! s s l h f.l t r' (-:! c r' (:~ i:l l: i.o n o'll. ·'lr' (! r'l . T h r'll: r·o iHI , n s HI!::~ rnetnb r'! r· f u t' Gcntder· points out, :is not just i'l I" E>. C (' ~:! c'l \.: 'i. 0 n c'l l. t' 0 r:~ d , i. 1: i.

S i'l S () I I r' C E! of food, j t :is a sotu·ce of j ncome, c-1nd, Mr·. Spc~dkc:lr, -i,f ·i 1: i.!; 1~.ak~>.n dtAtay permanE:~ntJ.y ·-· c-~nd the member f o r· B e ll. e v u e j u s t a g r· E>. E>. d IAJ ·L l: h trH:~ thi'lt source of income is gone, that source:! of food "Ls gone, +:.hat. sourcE:~ of rE!Creation is gone, pr ·obably forc:'VE!r. Be->. cause, Mr·. Speaklc~r. t:o r'E!Construct. l:hat br-i .clge IAJoul.d be iH l i.ncr(>.d-i .bl.e cos 1-. t.o the goVE:!I"nrnE>.nt, to start br·and n ~~I .\.I.

I;Je h c'lt) e i.'l s 1: n (~ J. b r· ·i rl g Eo' 1.: h l:! r· f'! and tAte i'H'E:' as kj rtg t. hn t it bE:! lllr~. i.n h:·drwd. J: l: 'is i.n good IJ.JOr'K i ng or·der, it g:ivc-~s thE:! pE!Op1€:! of Gl.l·~l'llJ.JOod' Ci:Hldl'!r '' I t:!IAJ i.!>por·l'.e' r:~nd aJ J t-.lte corn~~tun:i t '.i es <:~r1cornpassed in il'~o-11:. .:-lr·c,·l, di.r'C!CI: i~CCI-:!~;~:; i.o ·UH:~ do:zc-'ns of Cclb:i .JJS on t.lte o1 hPr s i. d c , i L g i tJ 1·:! ~; L h l'! Ill cJ'i t· 1:! c I: i·1<: <:: (! ~; :; to tilE·! r·oad on !-he:> othE:!I'' r.idP. () ~; Ull:~ TIIE:Hfii:H~ r· r

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I) r-i ghU y po:'i n-tE:~d out, thE:~ peop1 e of C.Hl!l t! r· , Cl. l·>.nt~Jo o d , 1. (:H.t.i . s p or· 1'. e , ''' n d C~1J the e->.ncornpdss·.ing comrnunit:i<->.s, for'Jilf'!d '1-:herns':!l.tJf'!~; "i.nl·.:o t-.he Nor·tht~test Gander Assoc:i .at.ion, and t: h-i.!; i.~ ~;soc "i. d t. 'i. on h d s p u 1:: i. n rno n E! y , :i+ hds put in time, :ii: has put :in d lot of enE!I''9Y to keep l:'.hi .s r'Odd tJJor·kclbl.e, to h~E~P :it passab1.e, and Lo k£:!E!p Lt i.n good lAitH'k "i.ng or·d~::~r· . ThE=! r·oad can bE! l<epl: up for all t.-i. Jne, but, Mr.

Spedker·, i.f you have,~ no i'-lCCE:~~;s lo that r·oad you rni g h t. as IJ.I(~ l. J. j 11 !> 1·: c l.o s e i. t d ot•l n and 1.E:!i: :i 1: gr·otAt oVPI" :into gr·as s for· 11 '11:' COIAJS. ·nJ'i!; br•ic/g(~ i.~; e~ ;~ ;E~ntja], jt j~; vjtaJ, it :is 'i.lrlf>OI" t.o:l 1'1 i· 1·.o l: h< ·) pl:!Of> 1 e 0 f' I:: 9:1 :l July r.,, :19Hil Uo] XI Gl(HHAJood. Mr·. SpE~aker·, tAJhE•n '.i l:. <:I) 111e !) d OIAII'l i I) :>i·l y ·j n 9 i'.

l) I hE' 1·1 0 II S {'' , to l.h(~ Pal"l.:.lament of l::his Pro~;i.n(c, Lh;,~l · :>Olll(! fH:'op11-) l'lf!ed (·hj~; I:Jr·:.i.cJg(,~ as a d::it"E'!C'I: clCCHSS t.O f"l)od, !)tJr'(!1 y nobody Ci'll'l bP i't9< :d .ns L L hat . Nobody j n l:. hE! :it" I" :.i ~l h t rn :i n d , ·i. n !; i de 0 t'

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I) r I: h i ::; H 0 I J :> ~=! ' can b8 agaj rtst t.hat . I knot.~.J thr.-d: i:hr,• M-i. n i.s l:er· of' Tt'c'l n s por l:di-"i. on (Mr·. Doyle) tJJill d .se notAl and sup p or· 1~ 1: hi ~; p t;! ·1·. :'i. 1: oi. on . MR. DOYLE : It is not mine , so Lr~n ·i.s go"i.ng it is in Forestry, to spucik toil: . MR. FUREY: Somebody on that side will rise dnd I:. he suppc.w 1-. t.h i ~; fH '! l" .. i.l:. "i.on ~; o ably presented, so capably pr(c~Sf'!l'll ".C:''' by l:hr:1l ·: good and hon. TTIE!mbet" for Gr.-HldE•r. I am SUI"E'' ti'lE' P r· e :; i. d ''! n :-. u F i· h l:! :": >< u c' 1 1: i lJ I'!

Council, thE:' mE~JTtb<i:~l" fo1" Cr·and fi·111 .:; (r.Jlt' .. ~)·i.llllll:)) kiiOIMS IAJi'ld1 I.~J(' at ' e t a J ld n g about. HE· ha s b r· :i d g E; s in hi!; r··i.d ·i.ng t~th ·i ch g .. i,Je d"i.r·oc 1·: dCC(-l.SS 10 riVC:!l"S, to for·es'LJ''Y cHid l·o r':~ct·,,~.'tl ·ion. i"'H :! iTIPrnl:)l·)l" Fot" Humber· ~JE:•st js yc.ttAtni.ng, Mr·. ~> fH) i:l k e r· , b 11 i. i ·I ·i :,~ ·i rn p o ;r+ i:ll'l 1: Yawn atAJc.ty, but it :is ir11por·tant :. r11 R . 11 n r R n : Th<->. sound of your· vo:i u:• L~tou1d makl'! i.·lnyone yr:;wm . MR. SPEAKER : Order, pJ.ease! MR. FUREY: tn conclusion, Mr.

Speaker, when :it comes down to direct access for food, for· cli .gni.t ·y, for subsist.E'ncE•, then goVE!rnrnE!nt ou~JhL t~.o p1::!1"k up, IAti:lkP up, r'lnrl st.i:'lrl:: shaking up Kt"UgE!r. Thank you ver·y 1nu c h , M J" . ~3 p P i'l !< ''! r· . ~30MF 1101\J . MF.MBEI'~S : Heat", hear·! No. 6il I~ 3 9 l 3

MR. STMMS : Mr . Speak8r . MR. SPfAKF.R: The non. Council. MF~ . SIMMS: the Pr·esident of the It nevE!r ceases ·to amaze me, Mr . Spt:l<lk<~r, how C\ mt~lltber· grappl.E:!s For· so me tbtng to sa y Lo f:iJ J out fj ve Jlli .nJ .ti:e::>: 1 ThH · hon . l·.he member· for· Humber West js sndJ.Jng, 1 and stuff l.i .kl::'! 1-.h.:tl · .. Whr:ti : doc ~:; Lh;~l : h•:\1)1;:1 i:

c) do lAii .th th~~ pc->.l j l: :ion? Not-h-.i ng. T h 1'.! o i. h t-:~ r· 1: h i n g I: h ;.1_ i: n (! u C! r· c: r~ <'~ s u !:; h• <HnaJ.e rnE:! 'i.~; ·thE~ fact that at. Uw •H! r· y I'! nd o ( h i. !; ,; onnne n 1·. !; fll-! lldd to he nasty r..tnd bit ·ler· and N.l ,l:dck l:h1 ,~ go•Jc,n·niiiC!nl:, •'Hld dll thcd. kJ nd of stuff. Ther·E:! :i.s no n <:~ e d r o r· 1.: h ;_d: k i. n d o F no n :; (,~ n :; (! . TIH:! I.E:'ctdEH' of the OpposJ .t::ion wj 11 l::c l.l_ l:hl'' hon . llllc'lltl:JE!r' i·:hi:\1:, T .:-\111 :. u r· e , 1 i:l t E:! t" o n t h j s i:l f t EH' noon .

H e s h o 1.1 J cl n o l: 9 (,~ 1:. o n 1-: h '" 'l-. lAic:~ y . Mr· . S p t,~ a k (cH', lAJha L lAJe h r:w E! her· E:~ -.i. !> a very, very reasonable request from a number of people out in the Central Newfoundland area. I am not : sur·H ·Lf th(:'Y c:~r·e •'11.1 fr·o1n l::hc~ Ge~ndEH'/App] eton area. AN HON~EMHE~ : ( T. n c'l u d i_ b l. E:1 ) S 1: • J o h n ' s Ml~ . SIM~1S: Ye~S. So, ·t-l'lE! petition :j:, pt"ObabJy Pr·o•J ·i.nce wi .d(:' . ThHr·c-) 11lo:~y HIH!n be !;on1Pbody ht:•r·e fr·orn Gr·etnd Fa] 1 s. MR.

HAKFR : T h t'' r· e '~' r· ~1 s otnc:• r1R. !3 rr·-'!W): Tl1f:l"e iH·c,~ ~;cHilE:!? liiiE:'] J, ~i.n t ha ·~ c:;-1 :> e I s h ,., ] l. d c-) F i rl'i. t-_ e l. ~ e l. db or·'" l.t'~ on rny r·~rlliH' k s . M I" . S p 0. i:~ k EH' , lAJ h ct t ·[~ hE:! h 0 n . I'll C:' m ~H:'Y' hi·lS pr'E!5E ~nl :t:! d 1 oF COIJI"SH, i~;, in 1..39ll~ July 5 1 1988 Vol XI F '~' c 1·.: , said. 1-:1~10 pE:' 1-.:i. t-..i.ons, dS hE! l1as AN HON. MEMBER: With 1,100 names . MR. SIMMS : T tAfi ll no -l~ g o t_ h r· o u 9 h "' l. 1 t h o s e I that will CE!rtainly takE! up fivE• tni .mi'I~E): ;.

Whr.d: i·he hon . membc->.r· hi<.~s pt"eSE!ni:E!d het"E!, :i.n fact, ar'C'' t:tAIO p e L :i. 1: -i_ on~; . T h t;! r· E:' d I" e r· e .-'t ll . y 1:-_IAJO petitjons. Although I do not want I n g o i n l: o d e l: i-1'i l o n t-_ h e rn o l" i:lny"l:h:i ng, onE:! dt'!Clls tAd 1-:h !..he concJ- i.l:i.on oF lhr-:• i"Odr:i ih<·ll-: exj~;I ·Hd l:hHt"r,1. T IJJi'l !) i n II

C) l \I(.) cl i.n ·i l: rll y s ~:! 1 r; r: h d d sonw ca11s about j -!-.: a yPiH' Ol" t·tAiO ·~' 9 C) . T n f' i·l c l: I L h 1-) r

C) r'trlf:! r· lrtO tnl:) E! r·' r101AJ ti·lf..lt I I"(->. col] ect, Mr·. 1-iaJnoJ d Co .. ll .·i.ns, T !:H:1.l .'i.c-:!l .le hd:; d cdb ·i.n oi.n the area, or some friends - 1 Ur.ink ht' rloc :.!:; t'll'll ·J l'lC:! spu!<~:! i.o rile sorne -U.tnE:~ ago about ·U·y-.ing to SPC:' iF I.U(~ . C01t1d f·i ncl SOiilC! Fund i.ng 1-_o help fix the road up. AN HON. MEMBER: f)·i.d yo11 do anyl·:h'i.ng about ... i.t? MR . S1MMS: Unfortunat el y, no. We dj d not do an yt.h.i ng C\bOitl : it becartse t l1r i! rules do not permit it . That is l:hc~ re.~li .l:y of ·l.he sll::u .:~l-.ion .

Al th ough in Cabinet and in gOV~'-H'I"llntHll : i:Hld in caucus, wi_l -hou t ela bora ting on what i~ said Jn r:cHlfi.rii ·Hll:~) .i.n Ct~b·i .nel. c)t' L\jl '1f.II:0.V~!r, jt has aJways bE-'en C:l c:01 'lcc-:: t~n of o 1 tr' :; , b c-) c; d 11 " 8 i · h c·) r 0 •'lt ' ·~ r:\ h 1.1 n r'l r· e d r·o ad s l".i 1< ~ thad . c.n·ou nd thE:' rr•c)u i. nc :l·). ;~ h11ndrr)d I h• ·li: pr 'O'J ide £0 ITI (~ e~id to cab:i l'l ownE=Jr s CJ.nd tbat I:~ pH or -j nrl.i wi dlli~_l l.o 91! I, i.11 flltl ·_ ~~lr-:! do no 1: hi·lt.IP f11ndi 119 For·· rna:l .ntE:'I1c~ncE:'. WE:~ lAIOU]d Ji.ke to cll'ld I'll<~ '!J b 1:'!

CHH:' di:ly !)U(Jrl IAIP l~iill .. P(:)r'hdps :1 n nri. 9 hI- I:)(,) our budget next year WE:' i~lblH ·i-_c) r·ind SUI'IJE>. No. 68 r-n9J4 .

dC COIIllllOd~l i:"'i.on. MR. OO'tU;: 'I II d t :i. ~; --In f 0 I'. e ~· t I" y ' In i g h t.? r'l ~~ . s r.r -1M~ 5 : f\lo-1-. necc-!~; s iH':ily Foi~(;; ~Stl~y, be done in Tr 'i.·ln~;pol"i· .i:li·. ·i.on. :it could M r· . ~:-; p"' i9. b~ In ' i-. h i'..l t j !i 0 n e i s s l.l E:~ ' •. 1nd l:h,-11: i ~; onr~ I~JE:~ Ci·l.l'l ~; )'nlfl•'IJ:h·i /1:' 1~ri t·h. Wu iu·e qu:i h:~ farn:i1:i iH' t~d t:.h i.i:, ,~1nd r:, pr..:!r'sOndll.y, h.:·Wt!, on occn~::i.ons :in thE:' petst, i·rit~d l:o a s s i. s l: g t' o 1 j p ~; 1: o d o s o lfl (-) Hd . n g slm:i1cu·.

Thu point outJJned in the other pt:!U.t.ion dsks gover·nnt(:!nl: specifically to use whatever .i n fl. u to?. n c c->. ·i. t. c d n t o s t: o p i< r· 1.1 g (~ r , CcH'nE:!Y' Rrook Pulp and Pap(;;H', from l"t::'lllovi.ng Uw s t.C:!E:~l. br·i .dgP OVE!r t.he Northwest GCinder R:ivEH'. Now that, l:.oo, ·i.s anoLhE!Y' ·i.ssl.l(:' Lhdi· . J drn fi:l.nrilialn tAr.il:h, s:irnpJy because a nuJnb.~r· of yedr'S b.:1ck T h<.~rl occi'~s:ion to tr·y to use 1.uhat E:!VE:~ln 'i.nfl.IIC'!tlcc r ho:1d ,,~,,-i .i·h .:moi.h(:~r· cowprHIY ::i.n thE:!

Pl"ov:i.ncP tAiho ot,o.JI'IE:!d •"- br·i.dgt~ in r:1n dY 'E~•;l, .-.. , br·idgr-~ l·.hdi: l~li:l.~: fCJ.l] ing apcu-·t. That t.uas a d 'i, f f ·j C Ill. i·. ~; ·j l: II i.-1 i: i

I) i'l b I'! 1: ;:., I i !; l:' I)(" lir.lb:i.J i-t.y quo:.t.:i onr. and ~very thing elsc-l , b1tl T ~~taB abl~ ~ l:o 11: >1·) "'Y r.ruaJJ b:it of jrrfJuen (;e in gc-ltting l:ht 'lll 1:o no 1·: only 1e"'V1) UH ' br ·i.dgt~ l·IH ·!re, but t.o f:ix Lhe br·jdge up . r1R. Br1Kf.R : Who d:id it? Ml~. STMr1S: J d:i d not say !Aiho it: IAJas. J bc,d i.l:!Vt:~ thr:~ bt'i.cigE! [ din r·(:!ft=:~rr··ing to IAJt-ts probably smaller t.han this part. i. c u 1 a r b r' L rl g (-?. , b 11 1:. -i_ 1:.

IAJd :; '"~ br:idge that was about to come ap~H'I: r:<tnrl lt IAJOIJld hc\ve cui-. off access for a number of people, c cl b i. n OIAI n r::! r' s and hunt r::• r' s d n d so on :itt t. hat area. I. J 9 :IS J l.ll y r-> , J 9 R a Vol XI r-'lR. TIJI.K : ThE:' for·fTI(:H' fTI(C•fllb(;!r rOl" Wjndsor· ll11 r: h ;ul :; go l.. l·. h C! Ill L n cl o i~ h d I: . MR. SJMMS: H n flli'' y h ;,1_ tJ (: r· ;)"i !; e d ·i. 1-. , b u t: i. i·. l}ld s J IAiho d::id :it:, and i.hai :is I: he ·i mpor· i·.i.Hll· UJ'i. ng. NotAl, Mr·. ~:-;pE:!C\kE::I", w::i t.h l"r:~~;pc-~ct t.o 1".

I·J'i. ~; p iH' I 'i r: I ll . oH' r· (-~ q I I E! s i ·. ' r .. ~ lfl n 0 t: SUI" e 1/J h d t the C i r• C UrnS ·LiHl CE:! S i.H' E' , r1l.i:h0119h T r:lo t'r:'!Collr:!r;i: 1-.;,,J.k·i.ng abo lJ t: t: hi. s v (;;! r y i s s u c,• IAJ:i. t h I( r· u g e r lrl Y !) (! l f i:l C ()II p l ('! 0 F Y ('! i'll" S c:'t g 0 1 lA) l·'ll'! 1'1 I was involved as Minister oF Forestry. [ do not bel.iave the br·idgE:~ thE•Ine is in any kind of a d i. l. e1 p ·i. d •·:=t i:. ('! d c o n d i 1: .i. o n , it·. ..i. s simply an E!Xpensiue bridgE!, as T r'(~ c r'tl.l. U·H~ ho n.

IIIC•lflb(:! r' "i. s nodding- and thE! company !;.dshE•s l·.o US!.'! 'i.i·. el.s(~IAJhE!re. No1;,1 l·:hdl. presE:~nts c~ difficult. situwt. :ion,

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I) I I ~; l y , b (:' C d 1.1 S ('! i·: h (! y d t' f'! expensive bridges . My colleague, t: h t~ M i n -; :; I· t:! r' of For' E'! s 1·: r· y , i. s no 1--. ht!r'e today, he :is on ljN ' Mdj E~~' t.y' !> Sf.!l"lJ it:< ·) t'lselllhr-:!i''r-), bu i. T can assure thP hon. member thdt I will :; pl-:~i .~ k l:o HE~SOUI"CE:~S l·. h u M .i. n i ~; ·I r-:! t' afl:ei~IAic:lrds, uF r·ur·est-: on hj s b<'!hd., r this ;_uld ·in ;~r:knOIAJluci<:JHI'II::!nl. of t h·e petition, Clnd d Sk r'l·i ,n·i.•;i,e;" oi For'e~;i: Rt'!:)OIIi"'U'·~; ·i.F' h E! IAIOUJ.d bE!

Pl"t!pai"E:•d -to ldkE:! up r:l·i. :; 1: 11 ~; ~; ·i.o n ~; IAJ'i . i: h Cot' n e r' R r·o o k Pulp and Paper · on b(-d1d1f of thC'!SI':! 1, 100 p e 0 fl l l:~ i: () S e !'! i f , i. 1'1 d H E:' d , IAI H C d 1'1 11se r::~ny ·i.nfl111:>nce. But.: ll;'t :it bE:~ under·stood clE:!al"ly, M r . ;) p 1::~ c::t k E! r· , t-h i'l i: j 1- i :; p e r' s o n a 1. 1. y and pr'iuate1y OI;.JnE:'cl by that COlllpdny dnd I: hE· guvel"l'll'riHn 1·: can no 1:·. order thE!TTI to do it, nor would I Ul'i n I< 1-h (:! rnr ,~rnb(:o r· t;.Jo u l. d I;.Ja n t. us to or·der t.:hE!Tn to do it., that :is a J.·i.i:.l-1.

E~ b i t. d i. f f 'i. c 111 I~ . B u 1:. I;.Je 111a y be a b 1 e to u s e s o ITI E! s o 1~ t of P<'!Y'SIIa~;--i.IJE:~ flOIAH' !r's t.o i nflut'!rlCl:! them into reconsidering the p 0 ~; .. j_ t-. j 0 1'1 IAI h ··j C h i: h <:! y h r:·' lJ (! i·: d k H 1'1 I I p f\l(l. 6 8 1n9 ·1 .. ,

i".o now, T. g<:d'.l-wr·, IAJhi .ch i:; Lo r·c,HIIOUP thE:! l:w:idgE:1, and maybe 'l.hE:'Y IAti 1 l_ -i_ 11 d (~ C'! d d 0 1:: h d 1.: . fJ I I 1 ·. '[ IAI ·j_ l. l_ talk to the Minister of Forest R(:'Sour·ces r:tbou-1: "it, for 1".he member, and see what transpires. Thank you, Mr·. SpE~r:tb~r·. Orders of the Day MR. SIMMS: [ d HI s 0 r· I" y ' M r . s p E:! •'- kr;! In ' T d :i. cl n () t-. hectr' you.

WE~ are back on F:inance II!Ol.:.ions dnd IAK' w ·i.l.l go 1~ril·h Moi:ion 4, R~i J J No. 67, 1.1.1h:i ch IAJ(:! ciE:!fPI"t"ed y C:! s h:! r·d ,,, y be Ci:\11 ~; e \". h c,n· 1:.~ IAJi~ ~; ~;Ollie p r· 0 b J EHII IAJ'.'i 'l. h :it . Ort ntot'ion, that. l:he !·lousE~ t"e:,o]ue i.l ~;()lr inl :o Couurri.l ·ic.'t·) of :·.he lt-Jholc on ~;pppJ y to cons:i clc -H· a cer·ta:i n l"t!SOl.lti".ion for-· gr·;,,nl··ing flti··l-.het" Supplementary Supply l.o Her Mi:\j 1::'!; i".y, rllt". Sj:l('!i:'lkP;o' l.('•fi". i.ll~::~ ChiLi r. Cornrni .t·I:PC! of U1C'' Whol r,' on ~>upply MR.

CHAt:RMAN L~~~.!'.:..?O.!J.~~ . .l : or·der·! MR . SJMMS : M r· . C h d :L r·rn,:. n . MR . CHAIRMAN : ThE! hon. the HousE:' l.edciE!r . Ml~. :3TfJJM~3 : Mr·. Chcd .t"ITli'Ht, mE=•mbeJ"S IAr:i J 1 r·ece11 J.

H1.~1 : ye :; l:t:H'c:l•'lY ''l !Ol '~Jr ~r ·-~ c:ld1i :li :i.ng ·t·ld r. pcwt :i cuJ c:.~r bill , R:i lJ No . 67, r.~ncl 1.ht:H'ri! wa :) ~ di .ffi •:ttl f·y pr> ·l.n b~ d (llJt. by the -~ nrer11b0r fo r· Garrd~)r, and S II~~ S c·~qrt~H11 ·l y 0 l·ht~t ' ill !>:~ ltlbr ~r:> , ·j fl ~ lt at. t h ~~ r· e. tAii:l !: r. omP. kind of .:-1 n u flk\ ·1 1J , o r' ::: o 111 I'! k i n c:l o f p r· o b l I·) nt IAI .. i-lh thP. ~;dtPdUJ.E~ c.t~; pr·oird:E'ci, i'il'ld h l": l.1ld :; ··1 b S 0 !.11 1-.t:: l, y t: rH' t' f:' t: i· . !,,It"' gj UC-'1 thf• I'Ji(c!Tnb("1r' fot" GiHtdEH' Fu]] 1.3916 .Jrtly 'i, lgaa Uo l X I_ C I" H c:l i l. f 0 t' p i C k i. n g i I U p r:'inc:l pointing it out.

Gouernment has clone '~1h.:1l : ·i.l: r·i.ghi:J.y o11ghl · t:o ha~JC;: donE•, and that i~; arrr..trtge l:o hauE· 1:. h (;! n f" 1~1 s c h r:• d u l. e p r· :i. n 1~ e cl , tAl h ·i. c h eliminated $1.1 miJ.li.on. So Hw n(~IAJ schetlttl .t.• hd:> beHn pr··inl:.t::•d i!.tnd it has been circulated to all han. rrt ("1 rn b e r· s , d n d T Ud n k ('. t)("! r· y t h i n g i s in order wj th respect to the ~; dw d 11 l. E:~ • With respect to whether or not ·l:hE:t'l'! .u ·e .-HlY f'ttr•i-JH'!Y' que:;·l- .. i.ons, tAle cou]d PE:'r·haps moue on to thos\'! !dnd:; or t:h ·i ng~;.

The M-i rri.sb":r·· oF T r· a n :, poI" ·1-at :i o n :i s h Cc11" E·! , a n d t. h E· ~hi'J'i.~;l·pr' of r·'i.n;HlC~~ 1'101~) has returnHd from s0ruing Her ~ll··lj C!~; i·.y' ~; !:ltt~; i.nr-:!~:; ~; 'JH~; t·.t!r'cld'J, c.:tncl 1~1 E:' t~r::i 1 1. j u s '1- u:.~ r r· y o n f I" o tn t It E:• r-· P . T jtt~;l ·. '~klni:c~rl l.o c•xpldin l~hr-11: pr.u~ ·u culiH' poi.rrt. MR. f1AI<FR : rk .. Ch<'l'i.t"trkln _ MR. CHAIRMAN : T h f.! h on . U·w lllC'! 111b e I" 'Fen· Ci:HI d '~ r· . MR. RAI<F.R: Thr.wk you, Mr. Cha i.nnan.

I do not know if the return of the M-i.ntsl·:l:!t' of F.i.ndncc,' :i.ndtcal :t::•s l:hat. he came back to stra:ighten this up, or' t~JhE~I: .her· i_l·: IAJdS pur·oly coincidt:Hlta1. and the tJ.JhoJ.E· thing tAJ<'l:; sl:r'i:l.'iqh·LerH:!d up I:H'!rOt"t:! hl'! came. If hE! s l::raightE!nE!d up l:.hE' IIll o'') ~;, [ l:hr:-1nk hi Ill. Tho:i s dea1 s IAJ'.i th $24 mi ll:i on.

ThP noi·• ·:! ;,d-:l.i'tCI 'H~ci i·1L i.l''ll:• boi·.hHn, oF cour·sE:1, is i:Hl c1dd.i -l: .:ion as tAJC::!l J. i"h(~n:~ i ~; i·1 t;hiHl<Jf.! in llw .-·\C 'i-.Udl. ~;chf>dul.t:~, bui: thE-• not:c'! al. the bnl:iom ·i~; i'li'l r'tdci ·i_l.ion i't~:; l~ll'!-ll. r:'tnd I t h :i n k -l: h a ·l 1 s ·l: o !: ll b ~; ·t ::i l. tJ ·t·· E:! f o I" i.lw o l 1·1r-:·r·· p;n· I· o 17 ~; r; c i ion :~. 2. 0 11, t,o.Jh:i ch ittcLi cat.E:1s t.hdt t:hE:!i"C'! i:'lt"E-' r·t-~t.JCI 'l/11)~; conri ng ·in ~J"f t:he1t cos-t-. 1\Jo . 6 g l.o r:lc: Fr ·<.~y In fact:, S OlrJ(> $:1 r., f\3916

million wj]l be coming from the feclc,~r-"'1. go\Jet'ntn<'!nl:, so '•If.! <:1r'E:' lf'!ri ··. tAd th $9 rn:ill:ion that tAle c:t.r'e votjng 101s •"~ go\Jf.!t 'ntnun 1: ·i_n Uti:; bill.. I: do nol: knot~>.l t•lhy ii: '~1·::1:; noi : ~; t r·a:i ghtened out:: s·:i rnpl.y by go :) ng Un · o 11 g h Uw s i:Wt "~ f>r' o c t:! cl11 r· u ;,, :; t~k,_ ·; done jn t.he e!;t:Jruat:es, but I gtH:!SS i:hi·li: i.:; i:h1,~ t.•tdy.

The noi:H t~li-1:; a ·t'lc.clt<:~d to the b:i.ll, and I :;ttpposc: :i. i: ,,., .; l"l dfJf>f!•H' ·.in i l·tc! r·<-'Vi~;E'd c~ ;tinti'lt.< -)S dt th~~ C'!nd of i:he yr~i :lr' in d :;J·ighl.l.y d·irFE!t 'l-:!nt. fot''rlt, &.nd l'tot j n HtE-! for·m thi'lt is i.rt ih "i.:; bi .ll. The hi.ght.~>.J,~ys 1110ney, a:; tAJds poi ni -.(:~cl out before, :is ~Lr1 connE!Ct:ion tAli th i:.he r·.-,l'i .lt~.tdy agt 'f.!<o~lnenl.:, r:-1nd Hlis ra:ihJClY agrec->.ment hds come in for· mtH:h cli.scussi .on i.n Ute House i.n the 1 as t f e1~1 tAle e k s .

It i. s $2 4 tnill. i.on ov1,H' i:lnd above'! r_hc,, arnounl: that was or·:i g:l.na1ly intended to be spE!nt. c~nd r:cc'presc-)nt :s, r:-1s ·l·.hc!

I Cc!clC~er· of the OpposiU on poj nted out, 1--.hE:' blood ntonE:~Y H1dl: r'E!SUl.I-<:H~I fr·om the agreEHTIE:!n'l to pul] out the rcli.lt~"-'' -Y rt"tHn HJ"is Pr·otri.ncc'!, and i·.o p ,~ o v j d E~ u s 1~r.l t. h tAl h a t :i. s d e s c r :i. b e d ·i. n j h (:~ d 9 t' I,Ho' 111 E! i'1 ~~ c'l ') 1 C') compr'E'hPns:ivc-~ tre~nsport ·a t::i on ~; ':1 :; I· I'! rn , .. _ h ,,, I: IAJ -i_ 1. l !) iJ 1. ·i :; r y 0 I I t' llE'ed:.. ' To me, th:i:. ntl'cHJS -t:hat- 1-. hI'! iJ 9 I' e 1,, HI!:'! n I: Cite-d r·rnr)l1, :is f'·j f h:: I·) 1'1 Y ~! i\r'' !) , t\liil. t~IE! l~J(! an ill'ld w:i]] :; i g n I'! d , r...,,, . i'J.gJ~c-:•elltE)n'l: for i·_hi·d: l.hC! ntOI'lt:!'j S EH·' f 0 r· i:r'i:·tn!:;pnr 'ti:ll :·i.on ·i:; i-.h1-) only lflOI'lc'y t~lt! 1~ri J J sE~e for · fiftel':~n yPars.

T h ~.i ~; :i ~· s om e -1: h :i n g 'L h a t. h a ~; b e l:'l'l c:l S k f'! cl dIll" "j, 1'1 g q 1,1 ~:! S i·: i 0 1'1 p f.! I'' j !) d b II (--. hi-lS not bE:!E!I'1 dE :! a] 'l tAd th by mE:)ITtbE:H'S opposi_I ~E:', by I:: he-:~ f•h .n·i s l:: :!t' of Tr·c-w s pol" ted· ion or· L he Pt"C ~'rrrie r. By ~; ign i ng J--.hO i'lgr •E:!E!I'IIE~I'l J--., I•.JC'! r:lr'C;! sety:ing Lhetl: . t.~.d11 providE! us t.~.rith a co 111 p r' l:~ hens i. v E: 1·.: r· an s p or · t. d -t:. i.o n sys ·l.E!m :in ·thE!

Pr·ov'i.nCE!, thdt that aHiounl: . of Jnoney, the $1WO rni.1li.o~l For· t-he Tr·ans- -Canada Highway, this I. 3 9 l '/ J11ly r; , '1,988 IJo l. ;<1 . t~o p---up of i~ he ERDA a g r· C'! c,'ITIE'! nt and s o o n , t.~.J'i . l 1 fH' o tJ i. d o 11 s tAl i 1·: h a compJE:~te t.ransportat:i.on sysh:!lTI, a co 111 f>r' <)hI'! n s ·i tJ lo! :; y s 1: ern . A 11 d l·: l·l!'! quc-:!stion has bE!en askt:!d, and I 1~10111 d ] ·j !u~ !;OHI!'-!01'11-:! 1.0 i:ll'lSIAII"!t' ·j f:. hE:! J" P , q u i t: e hone s t 1 y - J tAti :l ~; g o i n g l:o :;.1') r·i''iH1kly, btt1 T l':houghl " L:ht:! nternbE>r · for· Mt ·!nHt~!k (MJ ".

FE:HH.~.d.ck) nrighl. ':Jc:l· . :;1 :.-n·Llnd -in t'l'!l<:-ll:·ion t o -t-h :i. s b :.i ] 1 ; t h ~i s i s -L h E:~ m o rw y 1~w •H'f! i-.d .l k i 111_3 i·li:)Oill-.. ir>l11 ,.,_ 1: ;., b o 11'1: H >< i: r·"' nto rw y For- · l:.l~anspOJ"ta-L:ion? Is it jndical:.ed i-11'1 yt~JI-H:: t' (! l: h i:'t l-_ I~IH £; iHl g I) 0 Li t--. a 1'1 r\ get more money from the federal gOVl~t'rttlll'!l'll'. for' Ll 'iH1:;pori:dl .. _·ion rH '!Xt:. yE.~i'H' or' thE! yE:!i'lr' afl:et"?

Jf thi'lt i.s so, l t~Joul.d s<:1y l:o 1-".hc,~ M·i.ni sLc'•r ' of Transportation, then that is not wh;~l: is 'i.n l:.he agrl->.etnent !:hat : we signed, the Toward 2000 r'lljt'E'E:~lfl E:'nl:. Thr.d : i.s not IAlhdt. -Ls there. We have agreed, :in tAJri .ting, l:h.:d· . Hl"i .s ·t.s d11 l:ht'! transpor·tat.ion monE!Y tAle tAJi .l1 nE:Pd For· f·i.rh :!en yc,'dr·:;.

Ri-~Cc1USE! of LhE· nature of Question Period, p f'! t' h r:l p ~; , b o c i:lll s e i: hE! l-. r:: n d ~-;: n c y i. n QUE:!Sl::ion PE:!r'iod :is to tr·y to obftt s Ci .·1l· .1;: i-ll'lrl l:o l r·y l:o con ft .J '~ l'!, bC'!CclUSE~ t.hc1-t Js t·he pul~posE:! of q tt E:! !; 1-. · i o i 1 P e r' -i o d , 111 i.~ y 1:)1;: ·i_ n 1" h i s pal~-t.:i cul iH' fot "urn L\I E:' may bEO: ablE~ to 9 1-~ I ;,1 :; i·.

I' i:l·i 9 h 1: i·ll'l S t~ll·:• r' r r· l)fll ·1·: h t:• Mj n:i stc ,!r of Tl"artspot"-Lat .i on concer·n ing i:r-dn:;po;"l:di:ion ruoney for the-:! next fifteen years, con c n r· n·i. n 9 whE-!n J -L r-uns i:o g r-:! 1· i-\1'1 l:h·i •; ou l. Fi ~D() Ts r,~ )( :--. l'! n s i. o n .:-1 (3 r· eo trtP nl:: :it : poss:ible of i.his agreement or another new a g r· e ,,, rrt E'! n t b e F' 0 r' f) 1, h fo' ':J f! d t' ? () () IJ. 7 T h C! s f'! "' r' r:=· the things I would 1-:lh! lo M:i.n is ~~~':t' oF lt'dnspor· i:.i:ll- ·i.on l·_o anstAJer, and I eagerly dtJ.icdt: h:is an~;t~Jc-~r! ; . T hank yotl, Mr.

Chd i.r·rn<.-11'1. Ml'~. CHAIRMAN : The han. the M:ini.stE•t" of rr·dnsporh:~l ·. i 1)1'1. 1\J I) (j ll iB9 1. 'I

Ml\. OOYI F. : r-k. ch;:·\'i.r'nt<Hl, ·u: hd ~> to ntt~rnl:wr·~; oppo~d te d "i. f f (:! r· E! n l: o c c .:~ s ·i. o n ~; , ru~~rnb~H' fot" Gc.tnder, !:Jt-:!t)tl po·i .nl:l·)c:/ on frli:lny, rnctny .:-1nd l:o l:h~) thclt this dgrPetnE'!I'li: 1"hdi·. IAJt~ hc\VI:) 1)1'1 i·.he nJ.-.iltAJay of $805 million is dll rl(:'IAJ money. Thctl : has bPt:'l1 r·epE!di:E!d t·:i rne, a ft:E)r' h me, af LE:'r' t:irne.

It i.s i.ncr·E:!lJWnl:.dl., -i.l:. i.s all. ne1~o.J money, this $805 rrd.llion, and it c:IOE)S nol :: hi.ndr=!r' out" abi.l.i.l: .y -Ln .:-~.ny llJCIY, sl'tclpe or· form to get nNu 111on ·i.es yc'!''lr uFI:.er· YHt.H', l:.op - 1Jps or· extensions, to our· current ERDA ag r· EH!IIlP. n l.: . 1'1-l'i . s is b t' "' nd ·-· n P.tAJ money. Also, Mr. Chcdrmi'ln, tAlE' helVE) a co 11111ri . 1·: 111 u n l· f ;" 0111 U1 1:0! f r'! 1:lr-~ r· ·~ l. govel"l'lrrtfHil, cAS tAlE'] 1, t hr.d:. ·thE! E:) i. 9 h 1-. y <:! ,., r· r· eo p t-:! n 1-) r' c l. d 1 1 ·; ~) 1~ri 1.1.

C:!XiHtrirw the pi:tcki'-lgE' of funding l.lv .~ 1: '•lC~ r''I.-:)Cl'~ i.tJl:!d l;··om I". hi'' Ft'!rler·;_:,-1. govc-•ntfiiE~r,t, i'l.nd thr:! pur·posE' of Lh.~_l: c'ldiJ!;I~ 1~J'il.l l:;t'! l.o f!l 'hllr'.E~ 1:h;~l-. tue halJt-!, CJ.~; Cl govE:.r'ttrllent, ach:iE!VE~d Ute obj~.-:)ci .. i.tJI:)S t:h • .-11: J~oJP ~;el-. ottl: l:n cH:h::ic->.vE.~ t~t:it-h thCJ.t $800 rn:iJJ"Jon. T cl 0 fl 0 1.: k 1'1 Ol~ol h 1)1~1 IJ.l(! t; i:Hl Hli.~ k 1.-:) ·i_ l·. i.Hl ':J cJ E:)i'Jrer·. T t· :is cAll nE:!IAJ rnoney.

It does nol: hi .ntlr:•r· 'i.n dl'l':J '~ld':J, sh•'lfll:' o1·· foi"ITI our· ab-.l.Jjty ·to get addi.l:. i.onal lnon ·.ic,)s "'~' i':op- ·ups or· EHIJ"ichm~~nts to our· currE:'I'lt ERDA c\ g r· E~ o HH'! n t . T lv~ l: h"' s b or~ n 1nd cl ~~ perfectly clear. The statement h"' s I:HH:'! n rndd E'! by t.i'w f E'-!d f'! r'd l. government. It has been aired s u f f :i. c .i <'! n i-.1 y IAH:• l. l. h <~ r· <:' :i. n t h c,) l·lnuSE:!, CJ.nd, Ml".

Cha:i.t"rnan, therE) :is v e r· y , v f'! r· y l 'i. t. ~.: l o I· o b P s d ·i. d ''' b o u 1 ... it j_n i:tddib.on to that, excE:~pt t. h i:1 i: -1-.lri _ s ·i s ,:, b r· <'1 n tl -·1'1(,!1•1 p ,,, c k ,,, '::J<'! of fund:i ng to br·oi ng :i.n d ~~ood i'lnd e f F 'i. r: i e n 1: i·:r- "' n !> p o r· 1-. d l·. ·i o n :; y s l·. ,,, 111 fot" t-.hE~ Pl"ovincE:! :in pJ c'-IU~ of ·l·ht-! r'•:1 i.J.I~old':J, .~ncl IJ,JI'~ l•dll. con t-.·i.niiC! In gp·l adcLi·Uonc.tl nton·ips fr ·on1 ·t-hE:~ FE~ d c r· ;:o.l. 9 o

t) r-:-r· n iiii·H'il ·. o IJ c r· l'.l 11'~ y I'! •'-"-'' ~; . i·1 r? . c r l.ll r: r~T : Mr·. Cl1i·d t"l'lldl 'i. 1.39 ·1 B .T11ly ri, "19HB l)o "l XI MR. CH!H RMAN: f"I'H'! hnn. l:l-11;, Bay d'f~;poJr· . Ml~. GIL.RFRT: llll:'lnb ('! t' for· flttr·gno ~ ll . ·i •; ·i.n h:!t'l'!~; 1:. Lng i.o I·H:!c\r' i'.hC'! Minister of Tri'lnsportation talk d b 0 1.1 i·: 1.: h i :> j_ n r 1.1 s 'i. 0 n () f n e l.J.J rn 0 n (! y that camE! 'into the Pr·ovinCE! last IAH~ U k , IAli 'HHl h 1:! S .i. g 1'1 (~ d ·I·Jw t' cli .l.iAJi:it ':J deal, this $805 mUlion he :is t.al.k .. i.ng abou1-..

The fir· ~:; 1 ... que:!st :"i on the member for Gander asked had to do IAJ.il ~h the l~op ·LIP of ~j;LOO tn..i.ll.ion to the current ERDA agreement . In debating this bill, Bill No. () 7 , IAJI) <H' r'~ f -i_ n rl i. n g 1_ h i't I: l· h i ~=; oi s the->. Pr·ov:incc-:>'s share or the Lop- -up ;_., g r· C! 1:~ 111 f:) n l: , b I'! r: d 1 1 s t-:! l-:1 w mo Ill'~ y l: h a +: lAJCIS ·11·1 thE:) F.ROA c:.lgr't=:>enwnt, IAJh:ich l)li-l!> :;·i .gi ·J<-:!d ·in 191!'1, t)Ji.=t~> ''!Xpandnd f 0 I" t h :i ~; y (:' d I" .

R u t IAI'.i t. h t: h (:' :;·i.grl'i ng oF I·I·J'i.:; l'll· :·t,,J Lop .. ,;p c..tgl"cc:ement, thPrC:' :i.s go:.ing -t·o l:oc,, ih!Ol:I-H::r· '!i/.l !. mi.ll·ion :;pC!i'll-.. ·rh ·i.~;, J th'i.nk, j~; t;.Jhat: tAle C:J.I"t:! sdy:.ing, i'tnd 011i·. oF i l: l-.hu Pr ·ow i.nce h. :-1s l:o put il'l $9 rn:.i 1.1 ion CJ.nd 1:-1'1(:! redE:~r·al 9 o IH! t' l'llll!': n ·l·. ·i. :; ':3 o ·j n 9 I·

I) p 1.1 L-. .-i n 't l"i mj]]-jon. W he n IAI c.:. tal k cl b o u t. n t:' 11.1 m o n e y , t. h j s ·i~; ct ~r·U:\'i.nly not nr>.w lliOI'l ey, l".hi .s is $63 million in blood money, sor·l:: of l-.h ·i.ng, li'Jdl :. I;.Je l::ook for· selling the railway and selling o 1.1 r· l: l" a n s p o I" 'l-. d t:. -:i. o n :; y s t. ''! lfl . T h c;! question the member for Gander asked was what happens i.n 1991 1.11hen this ERDA agrE·E~mE!I"lt E'Xpii"E!S? Ts ·l:.hl'!r·:~ t:lnoi:hr:!t' FRDA <.·1gr'(!Hlnenl ·.:?

Can we then open ano th er ERDA Clgt'(:!:'!IOE~nl·., tH ' dl'l·) 11.11 :~ go ·i.nq l·:o go to the next procE~s s :in t.hdl:. agr-~)t-:~IIH)I'li I,,Je ~;·i .gnr ,:d, 11.Jh:.ich "i~; $?3~) rni1J ion to be:! USE:!d fell" ll"unk I"Odds <·lnd J·.h·i .ng: :; lik1 ;· 1:h.-l.l? T h ·i~;, l:o rnt:), :i.!; a ~;o r·t oF a rnyst .ei"Y, i:) C! r: "'11 ~; C! "'•:1 i.'! ·i n ·i 1·. ·i !> no I· q o 'i. n g l.o b~~ di SC USSE:!d t:hj s YE •!dl"; I'IE:!X 'l YE'Cli" 1,1)(! di"l'~ t.JO 'il'lg i·o l,·l 'lk dbOJt ·l· I~Jhdl·. hr1ppE:!n!; to l:hal: $73f.-i rn.i11.ion 'l.hcd·. o\J I) () g :~ 3 9 'II:)

j s Ulf:' r e:~ . I ass u rnE:' that. is $2 3 5 111i.ll. i.on IAH~ dre gei~ti .ng fr·otn J·:he fr:!dE:'I"al gov<~~r·nrrwnt: as part. of the blood IIICHll'!'!J, dS p.:u·t of l··_h(:} Sdl t'. MR . W. CARTF::l~: HOl~J :is it hJ ood monE:'y? MR. CII RFRT: ~ve gr'ILH:' i:11Aii:1Y Ullr' cnns L·i .1.tll·.-Loili~l. l": .ights to i:l. ti''CII 'tspol'·tatj_on systE~m. r~r~. J. Cr:lRH:l~ : We did ltot . hc~VE~ dny corts-1-::it:ut::i.onclJ r· ·i_ 9 h 1-. ~> . Ml~. CT L.I1FRT' : Ml" .

Chcd r·mi:Ht, IAJ E:! gi:'IVE:~ CilAli'l.Y our· t:on:;Li.l:ti'L:-i.on;,,], r·-Lgh-1-.:; l:o ho'ILJ(:~ i:l tl"i~nspor·tatlon sysH-:!lTI provided in 1\J e 1.1.1 f o u n d l. o:1 n d . T hi . :; i. :_; L h e p o i n 1: t hcd . 1.1.JE~ t akl~~ E:!XCE:'ptton to. WE! see t. h d i:. 1: h \~ '!J j Lllll p

I) E! I" y q 1.1 'i. C k l. y 1:.0 spPnd this monr:~y, and we are Si;ly .i.ng l:hai: TE'!r·rn 3l of thf :! Tc'!r·rns of Union guaranteed a tr·anspor·tal.:·i.on sysi ·:t'!lfl i·:o NeiJJfoundland, a]beit it 1.uas r·.:~ i.li.~.Jay dnd s I:E~dlns~l'i.p. Th< :! point LAJe hr'\Vt' Hlade i.s 1-.l'ldi ·:. i.f 1.1.tE~ IAJE:!rE~ E:!n'lc-'!rj ng Confedc-;!ration i:od<-1y, UH'! Tr··Hl'> ·-CrHli.·H :Ii:l lJ·ighlllr'l'!J IAJOlJl d b<~! t hP po:i nt thel"e.

So IJJhen T l.on k i:l I-. i·· hP pr'UIJ ·j n C' i.o·ll btid"::)c'! 1: IIOIAJ I no-LicE:~ t'l'lcd: li-7 pE:>r' u~nt of Uw 1-.o l:i:ll. l:t'i-11'1:; por· 1~•~- -l·:i.on biiC:h:J•c'~-. fol" t:h :-i.~; yE~dl" :is 'l".o bE'! used fol" Hli :linl:c -}ni:lncc -} nf hi .ghl!Ji4.y~; I•Jhi .ch, ·ii hCI.!; ali"<-!Cidy b~~E'!I'I po:.i n-t·.~;d out by LJ,~n· ·i.c)lt: > ~;Uid·ic!~; l·_hi'il·. i"li'f.ll(! bec- :!n c ... w:rinE ·•er·od and IHtdE~r'\.aken at- the stlqgesl :i.on oF gotJr.:!r'nnwnl:, ;u·u noc!J H :l p (~'I" c p ITI' d E:! f (~ c t: i v E:' c ()TTl p iH' E:· d I. 0 h.i.ghtAJi:l .y:; i.n IJw ol:hc-H' f.IJdi"·i l:'i.mc:• Pr·ov:i n c E:! !; . :r f:i nd H ext l"c~·n iE:!1y d:i.ff:i.cult to fi gur·e 011i: IAJJ·~o:1 1-.

"is go ·i ng to hapfHHl oncP we sLrArt to gc-'!t- . our hi.ghways upgradocl. 1111<~~ rH''i::' go1 ng l:o upgrr:·lrlt-:. our highways now w:ilh this i.nfus ·i_on of TIHHlPy, liJh .ich J·-.he I 3 919 July f:), l9BB Uo] Xl ministc~H' says is nE:IJJ money and I sc:-1y .i.t: i.~; no1: The FE~deral government was putting r:1ppr·oximat.ely 1iBO nd .lJ :ion d yuar· j nto a system :i.n Net~Jfoundland llJhi .ch l!lf), 'i.n 1.1-w Oppo~;-i.l:ion, r.t9l"<:!''' was in~fficien t and jneffect.ive.

A II 1: ·i. 1: I•Ji•l. :; (~ 13 0 nri .l.l ·i. 0 n r.'l y (,' i:\r' l·: h d 1:: t 11 e f E:! d e I" e1 J g o v l'~ r· n mE~ n t. 1.11 a s p u l--t ::i n g ·i.ni:o l.h ·i ~; ~;y~; i·.c111 . ho~JC:! no NOIAJ, IAie I.1.J'i l·h i.he to cJ.os0.. (" i·1 c :· 1·. hi) 1: problem Kt all l·.h~~ t'.·\i.]tlld'!J hdd not the po:.inL.

Thrll :is ''""-' s !·) (·:: llJi hl :·. hi .~.~; hi-\ ppc -:• i'll'!d d !; 1--ht:. greotes{ sell --out. :in thE~ hi~;ioi"Y 0 f" 1: h j ~; fJ j'' 0 LJ'i. j'l( : ::~ , l:llic' (";:, c l- Uld J-. lkH '! have said "l::o t h e F e d e r· d J go \J (:! r· n Ill!-'! nl:, 0 k"' y , y n u c i"' n can c I'! l thE:~ rajltJ.Jay and gE:•t: off t.-.he ho ok F o r· ; : h ,,~ ~; B 0 rn i l l . i. o n d y H , .. , r· 1·.: h a J-. you a1ne putt:ing in to rncd.nt:cdn a s y ~; 1·. ~~· rn t: h i:l L i. s i n <:. f f :i. c i <'! n t: d n d ineffective.

But this $800 rrr-i 11 . i_ on of rH'!IAJ tno n e y U1 f:! 1r1 L w.i. s 1: E! r· bE!fore th :is is taJ.king about, Fi.Ft:r:!r:.n '!Jf'!dl'' r'lgr'eE:!IIl~'!nt is completed, the federal government i.s go ·i.ng 1-.o bE! .i.n 'f>'WO 111i.ll. Lon on tlris dea1. WE:' haVE! not looi<E!d at 1-_hi.o\L r:1L Ul'is poi .nl-. i.n 1-.: imr~. Th~~ rnnl'lt:'Y 1:he IAJould nor·rnaJ.J y o p r,~ r· ·-~ I: ·i. u n 1) F NE.~wfoundJ and :is F f~ cl (! I" i~ l. 9 0 l) (!

J" 1'1 I fl E" 1"1 j haVE! put inl::o l:hc ~' CI\J Mo .'tl'' ·i n ::! -i. n notAl cut off', su 1-.l ·l'i•; '~13()!) mill it: :!'l Of" llC"lAJ llllHlC•y :il amuses I'IIE:~ IAJhen :r hPiH' t·he r'l·i_n i.~; I t} i"' of" TT'i:Hl~;poi" 1-_,,, 1. ion I .11 king about: .i i.. :j s r·ed] ly ned l'lf!IJ,J lflCHH:! y . I" h U r~ 1-~ Cit-:! t· iO! l 9 U IJ t:!i" I' HI I!·) r1 1-. hi:\ S just worked a ded] wJth 1\JHIAiFOtti'ld]i·\l'ld I•Ji·l'ich l'1dS l·_;~j((! l'1 l.:hUifl off ·HlP hook few pr·ov:id:ing a l:r·•-1 n~; por ·l-.i,l.

J:·i nn :; y :; 1-Hill r::-or· NewfoundJdnd, a sys"l::E•ITI L\.JE~ IAWr·c:! 9'ii ·lr'' :lnl :t:!ecl t111d~~r· J·.hc::• Tt'!r 'rii S oF Urdon. When I hear· about. l:h:i.!> I'IE '!LIJ nlorH:'Y T •un t.Jei "Y llltlch <'1Fr·c1.id J--.l·li'lt jn fift.eE!n years Lime this $BOO rn i.] l ion l;f"i. ll i:1 1.1. be ~; p f'! n 1: . And i l:: is a total highway package, as p o :i. n h>. d o u I~ i. n t h ,,, ~~ (! rn en· a n d 1.1 rn o f No. 68 rn919

() 9 r· ')('! IIIC td , 1: o p r·o wi rh~ f r:w t r·all!;por