........ Volume XL Friday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT (Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.J. Mcl\(icholas Number 17 15 April 1988

The House met at 10:00 a.m . MR. SPEAKER (McNi.cholas): Order, plE!ase! Statements by Ministers MR. DOYLE: Mr. Speaker . MR . SP[AKFI~ : Tlw hon. l he Minis l:er of T1"a n s pot'i:a ~."i.o n. MR·. DOYtf. : Mr. Speaker, T am pleased to i.nfOI"ITI th·is hon. HCIIJS(.} i:h~Ji: rJtr. c; . M. (Max) Hussey has bE!en appoint_E!d to the position of Regjstrar of Motor Vehicles for the Province effective April 1, 1988. Mr. Hussey was born in Cupids, Conception Bay 'in August of 194-S and received his early education at South Brook.

He workE!d for a period of one year as a teacher in Woodstock, Western Bay before conti.nu·.:i .ng t)Jt t.h h·i.s educat·i.on at: the College of Trades and Technology where he completed a number of business courses. M r . H u s s e y ' s e d u c r.t t i. o n a n d experience as a civil servant have prepi'lrod hi .ITI tJJell Fo;" ~:he:> diJti es and responsibilities of his new job. rn UH:! al.rnosi·_ twenl:y ----l:hi"ce years since first being employed IJJi ~-.h J·.i·lc! Moi-.OI" Regis !:ration Di.vision back in 1965 t.t.Jhen it t.@S F>r.trt of lhe Uf~pa.rtmE~nt-. of F-i.nancc, Mr.

Hussey has continually progr·essC!d l.:hrough posii·.-ions oF increasing responsibility. He fjrst started as a junior clerk 1~Jii:h 1-_hE~ div·i.si.on ;:~nd by l·:he l.:i .rnr:! this division bE!CamE! part of the Department oF Highways in April of 1970 he:' held the posi.ti.on of L8J7 April lS, .1988 Vol XL Senior Vehicle Inspector . Mr. SpeakE!r, I)Ji .thin four· years oF the departmental realignment, Mr. Hussey was appointed Director oF r-11 o t o r V e h j cl e s a n d D r i v e l" Sa f e t y for the Provi .nce. [n 1978, he bE!Ca!TlE! Deputy Registrar and sinCE! ·t-:he rettrcrnent of Mr. M. J.

Ha:.i.re as Registrar this past ~;urnrnel~, he has done a COIIliTHHlclab l e job ·in c a r r y i n g o u t t h e d u U. E! s of 1:. l·w f~og i.s·I-_J"ar of fJto·I·o;" Vehi.r:l es on an acting basis. In the inter:irn, the Pt~bl':i.c Sei"V:ict:! Coumrission has rccoiJ'imonded Mr. Hussey's appointment: on a pe:~nnaneni- . bas:i.s. As you are aware, the Registrar of Motor VE!~lic:Jes is rE•spons:i.ble for', .-~rnong o~_ :hl'!i" l~h--Lngs, l::he coJnp1:::•l::o vehicle and driver l:i.ce•nc:i.ng pr·ograrnme for the Pr'ov ·Lnr::l'> and I am most pleased to be able to formally ar.~no1J11ce 'in thE!

House today, t.hE! appointlTIE!nt of Mr . Hussey. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear', hear! MR. GILBERT: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: r h e h o n . 1-. h r~ rn e m b e r f o r' 11tH' g E! o --R a y d'Espoir . MR. GILBERT: M I" . ~) p e a k e r , 1~1 e , o n L h ·i s ~~ -L d (:! o F t·he HousE•, are qui-t..E! hdppy t.o · congrR ·l.ulai ·e Mr . 1-luss{~y on h"i.s appo:lnt~rnen-t:.. Mr·. 1-lussE!Y, as a career' c i v.i.J servi'lni-. no doubl-. deserves the promotion which he so j Usi· _l_y dt"!SCrVt:!S, rHld 14H'' clre quj_ t.E! happy to congratuJatE! h-im.

I understand he is a personal fr iend of the member for Port de Grave (Mr. Effor'd) . That. tJo.JOul .d rnake h:irn a good rnan, I arn SUI"e, the fact No. 17 R817

that he is a per·sonal friend of the member For Por·i : d0 c;~avr~. MR. BAKER : I imagine t.h(~ Public SeJ~vice u..dll br:~ glad to k not•.J l.ha 1:. MR. GILBERT : I can assure you that we gr'E:'al. pl.easur·~~ tn wel.com:i.ng Hussey to this job. I hope he bE:~comes a ho1Jsehold name Newfoundland, as Mike Haire, predecessor did. Mike was known to everybody Newfoundland, and I am sure Mr . HusSE!Y u..dll carry on tradiU.on so ab1y SE!t by HairE!. WE! IAJelcornE! him. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hE!cH'! MR . FENL'IITCK: Mr. Speaker. Ml~. SPEflKER: take Mr . that i.n his IJJe 11 in that the Mr.

The lwn. the member for Menihek . Ml~. FFI\IWTCI<: Thank you, Mr·. Speakr:~r . On Un:~ occaston of Lhr~ appoi .ntrnoni­ of the new Registrar· - i"1R. YOUNG: On a po int of order, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A po ··i.nt of orde:~r, thE! han . the:~ Minister of Consumers Affairs . MR . YOUNG : I would ask the Speaker to rule on whether the hon . member is proper.ly dressed . MR. FENWICK : To the point of ord(~r, Mr. Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: To the point of order, the hon. the member for Menihek. L818 April 15, 1988 Vol XL. MR. FENWICK : Mr .

Speaker, it ·is 1ny understanding that to be properly dressed ·i_n th ·is House ann mu si:. have a shirt and a tie and a su:i.t or jacket on. I have all l·:ho se on, Mr. SpE!akE!I~ . MR. SPEAKER: To i:hal. poi n I~ of· oJ~cJr:'r, I do not u..Jant to bE! particuJ.arly picky aboul-. mr.d:ters such as tl'l'i.s, twt the han. member says that he has a shirt and tie on. It certainly is invi~ible to the Chair. If we are going ·ro establ.ish a CE!rta in code .­ of dress for the HouSE!, and it: :i.s traditional that members wear a shirt. and tiE~.

I think IAJE! shouJ.d rna·i.nt.a ·i n that code unl.Pss hon . rn e m b E' r s u..li s h t o c h a n g e t: h a t. . I n rny vict~oJ, l:.ht:~ hon . rnernber· i.s nol: -wearing that particul.ar dres s code, i~hE!rE!fore, he i.s not properly dressed. The point is well tr.tken. MR. FENWICK: Min. Speaker, l::herr::~ is i:hr:!l~(! ··is a ·l:in t·:hr;~i"P. adeqtJate? Mr. Speaker, o. n '1'.' i r r-~ l y 1 1n i n I: r-) J·1·1:. -L o n a l . MR.

SPEAKER : Order, pleas(:~! a shirt, Is Lha~ this is I think this is a SE!rious rnaU· .:E!r, not t.his part .icul .iH' instance, but we are dea1ing with serious matters here and we are not playing games. If the hon. member IAJants 1-o play games, I am not: prepared to play them with him . SOME HON. ME~BERS: Hear, hear! The hon . member is not properly dressed. MR. FENL'IIICK: May I speak to your comment thern? No. 17 R818

SOME HON . MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. FENWICK: Mr. SpeakE!r. · MR. SPEAKER: I am not prepared to recognize the hon. rnernbe r IJ nti.l he i. s propE! r· l y drE!SSE!d. ~1R. FENW(CK: Well, do you want have a shirt and Speak ~~r? I have a on. 11N HON. MEMI1 F R: ------·--- to know if I h .e on, Mr . shirt and L:i.E! :1-f you want to t.akt,1 it off, take i.t o·Fr. MR. SPEAKER : I <Hn prepar·ed l'.o nam:::1 l:he hon . member if he does not- MR. FENWICK: Hold on now! I will take it off then, if you want . Be my guest. MR. SIMMS : I arn very plE!aSE!d today on bE!half of-- MR. SPEAKER : Order, please! I tAJill rE!CogniZE!

Uw hon. the member for Menihek . Mr. Speaker, I takf>. ·H, l:hE:1n, l:.hat sweater~ are out of order in the House. Is l.hai: what you hr.·we ruled jn this particular instance? MR. SPEAKER : Order . please! MR. STMMS: Are you going to respond to the stah:!tnenl : or noi:? MR. FENW[CK : Yes, I tAd.ll r'E:'spond to the L819 April 15, 1988 Vol XI .. statement, Mr . Speaker . MR. SIMMS: YoiJ only have five SE!Conds lE!ft. MR. FENWICK: Mr. Speak cc•r; wou1d likE! statement: - MR. SP'EAKER: Ordor, pleaSE!! the only th·oi.ng I to mention on the The hon. member's Lime has elapsed . SOMF HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR.

WINDSOR: Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER : Thr>. hon. l:hc M-inister oF F-Lnance. MR . WINDSOR: Mr. SpE!dkC'!r, I ju~.t IAJard: t:o tJpdatE! the House on thE! difficu1ties tAJe experienced yesterday with power on thE• Avalon Peninsula. ThE! difficulty occurred when a steel tower on one of the two lines from Bay d'Espoir·, a I~.O IAJC;·r· in l:.hE• vicinity of Holyrood, collapsed under the weight of ice. There was an tee build .. -up of about fout~ :i.ndH~s thick on all the t:owc:~r-s and cables in that part of our Province .

In addition ~o that, seVE!ral other totJ.Jers rE!CEd.ve:•d somE:• stt"l.lcl·uri:-~l dr :·\tni',\ge bu~.: cJ·icJ not collapse. The sE•cond line from Bay d' Espoit" suffe1"r:~d ~>Oifl(' dalflagc,, IAJhen an insuJ.atoJ" collapsE:•d; Lhe conduci:or·, .. in far: I·. aci:ually fc"•ll. t.o l:he ground. All of th:i.s happon·ing, of couJ~s(~. shorted out thE! Lt.Jhole system, blew oui- the sub · .. -stati .on ner~r Chdpel 8r·m, and, as t.ueLl, kicked out Holyrood IAJhen l:hP. ex ·f:remc~ loa .d IAJi'\S put . on t·:hE• thermo-genE!ratj.ng station in No . 17 RB19

Holyrood. So, everything was t.ri ppE'd oui : and thai .: i.s L•Jhy tA.Je had a complete failure Hunoughout the evening. The first line, of course, ts darnagE!d severE:!] y and IAJi.ll t.ake ITIOine 1-.:h;::tn a t•Jeek ·l·.o l"cpai .l". The second line from Bay d 1 Espoir was pul · b<::t.ck i.n ~;erv i ce l.aLr~r J.asL evening, whN1 1.uorkmen '"'ere able to l·.r:=!mporari.l y ·f·i.x. t.hc condud ·.or l~o the tower .

It was done in quite a safe manner, bui ·., nE!VertheJess, just temporary repairs Lt.Jere made; t:hc;!y wr:H'e .nof ablr:1 t.o scale those towers because of the amount of ice that l.o~Ja s co a t:ing I:: he toiAJE!rs, but they did do some temporary tnepairs. In t·.he meant:i .mE:~. tA.JE! had diffict~lLy in getting Holyrood started becau se therE• was no load on the system at all.

It takes about fotH' hours "l~o st.art tJp those thermo-gE:~nE!rators and get them in servtce again, after they trtp, and in trying to put them in S(:H'Vicc, tn tr·ying -l':o synchinonize l:.hat: tAdth the load in thc:1 rc;!gion, w:! hr.·1d sover·al. diFfi .cult-ies -in trying to get the actual LhP.r'tno --gcncrai:or·s si·.ru"i:ed . Fven+ :t~ally 1~10. di .d thai", rHH:I pcli .•Jf:'in IAJas r·estol"ed in blocks; fi.rst of all 15 mc:'gclt~Jr.d:.ts of pot..~Jer, then -in blocks of 5 from there on, and fi na l.l.y, of cottrs (:~, t~H:~ I~Jii'!J"r~ ab l.E! to gEd: that SE!COnd line from Bay d 1 Espoi .r· on.

We ar ·e notAl oper·ating with plenty of power, backed up, of cotJrse, by a cotJpl.E! of small. gas · gE!nerators, and so forth, that arE! -Ln the region. By this afternoon we wiJ.l haVE! the third generating unit at Hol.yrood on stream, at Lt.Jhich tir11e t..11e will ~)(:' able to close-down, temporarily, the line to Bay d 1 Espoir and effect more permanent repairs. So, by later this evening IAJe 1_8 20 f1pri.l. 15, 1988 Vol .

X I should have one line to Bay d 1 Fspoir completely repaired, we will have more than adequate power from Holyrood, tA.Ji l·h rc:~serve potAJE:1r · stiJ.J avaiJ.ablE! from Holyrood, and i.l: t..~ri.ll. l:nkc i-1 t;Jor:d< l .. o ·l:c~n day s Lo make final. repairs to the other l. i. n n . MR. WF.:LLS : Mr ·. Speake!r' . MR . SPEAKER : The hon . Lhe Leader or= t.hE! Opposition . MR. WELLS: Mr. Sp<~akE!r, t haVE! no d()ljbt. thE! people at Newfoundland and l..abrador Hydr·o <Hd a cornrnC'!I'H~abl e job in difficult c:Lrcu mstanc:E• s :.Lr1 getting pot~J(:~r· rE!

SI-:ored <'tS qtJ.ic kly as they did, but we should be al erted to wh at may well. be a problem. We should ask t.hE! qt.Jesti.on, u1as that "i.CE:' stot "rn and that iCE! bu:iJ.d --up of an unusua-l. si.zo, or tAJas this notnrnaJ and t:.o be expect:E!d? If it was nothing out: of the or·di nar·y bui- a nor·tnaJ.

Spr· .. i ng .. i. ce storm that you could expect in r:oueiny fourlh OJ" Fi Fl h Y E:~ar, CH ' something of tha ·t ordE•In, t.:hE!l'l c l e iH' l y 1:. h e l ·i n c s <H' r~ no 1- o F a strength and adE!quate s l~ructure to Jnf~ C:! ·i". 1·. h c n e !:! d . ~'3 o t l: h j n k IAJE' havE ! to ask the qUE!Stion, and t:.he rntni .sb:!;n, perh;'lpS, OtJghl ·· t.o i"t!;k NE!U.Jfoundland and Labrado1n l·lycll~o to r·epor·t: on l:ha+ ·., as Lo lAJhE!i ·.her !--hat: storm was such as t.:o producE! an tJnustJal btdlclup of i.ce. If i.t. were, then obvtou sly E!V er·y thing u.Jas :i.n ordr:~r.

If it tA.Jc:!re not, tJJE! should take steps to have the l·i l'1E!S cons t:ruc t.:<:!d to a more SE:'cure standard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: No . 17 R820

Order, please! Befor·e recognizing the• hon. the Presi .den t of the Counci 1., I tA.IOilld like to t..llelcorne to the galleries hAJenty·-·one Grade VII students from St. Patrick's Girls' School with their teacher, Mr. Wade. I IAJ011ld also l.i.ke to IAJelcorne:~ seventy-five Level XI students frorn M01111t Pearl. Sen ·"i.or H··i.gh School with their· tE•achers, · Mr. Button and Mr. Bishop. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear·, hE:~ar! MR. SPEAKER: The 1·1on . ·l.h~::~ Ptn(~~; i dr:!ni· of L:h(:' Council. MR.

STMr~s : M r . s p C! a k u r I :r. dIll s 1.1 ;~ (:~ '( () l.lln II() n 0 II j" 1~1ould IAJant [-o hav ("! a c 1o s e1n look Fl~ : 1-.hai : noh :: he just re:~.~d. T suspect it is· not a Level XI group oF sL:udE=!nl:s, bul': possoi.bJ.y I..C:wel IT. MR. SPEAKER: L.eveJ. II, YE!S . MR. SIMMS: Mr.

Speaker, I wish to make a brief s ·tat(,~ITIE!nt on beha1f of my colleague, the Minister of CareE•r DE!Ve1oprnent and Advanced St11diE!S, who had intended to make this statE!mC'!I'li~ yC:~ster·day, i.nci .dr:~ni~.al.J.y, but because of the House not s'i.l:ti .ng he was unable to, and today he is on HE!r Majesty's Service, OV"E!r on Uw Wos ·l: Coast:. 0 n hi . s b o h a J.

F , +: h (;! n , T t~kl n 1: ·i·. o announCE! that t.:he goVC:'rnment' s Pri . va l:e ~)c c i:or ftnp l o ymeni: Programme, which was outlined in 1 ... he budgr=!i·., ·is one:~ ag,;dn o p e r a 1. i n g tAli. t h j n t h e D e p a r t rn e n t of Cart:!r~Jn fJc•Jcloprnen·i· i'lnd Ad•Janr:od St.udiC:~s. The rC:'Sponse l::o th<:1 pr·ogramrne l.e1s 1·. ye;u·, Mr·. Spoak:::!r, L821.

April 1.5, 1988 Vol XL as many pE!OplE~ have acknowledged, including rnany Opposition people, was excellent, and, this YE!ar, with an increase of 50 per cent in funding, amounting to $2. :, rn:i .. lJ.ion additional dollars, bringing the total allocation to $7.5 million, we are confident the programme will continue to be a huge success. I wish to advise the House and the publ.ic a~ this time that applications atnE~ bE!ing mailed out t o a l. l. e m p l. o y o r' s t.•.J h o p a r t t c-i. p a , .. E! d in the programme last year, as ~ell as those employers who appJ.ied but were not successful.

In addj .l:'i.on to t·.hal.:, E~;'lch mE:~tnbi :O!r of the House of AssE:'ITibly, at this V!''I"IJ mornf:!ni: Oi" sornet:i.JTlf:! dur· ·ing Lhe d a y , tAli 11 a 1 s o b l::O s u p p 1 :i. l'' d tkr ·i t .. h i:l p pl. ·i c a i · ·i c: n s :-o d ·i s i" r· ·i. b u 1.. e a s ·I~ h r~ y wish, and to assist l:hE~ITI i.n I~Jork·ing 1.11iL:h l.:hc! ·i,-- const ·i.l.:uenl:.s.

Applications ar'e, of coui~~'E', also a•Jdi .l.r.lblr~ from Lh::! dopc.~t"l'ITJenL., .~nd any enquiries the public may havE• concr~rn·i ng the pi"o.gr·arrllne cdn be made by caJ.ling collE!Ct, for the benefit of the press, in particular, to 576-2719. Mr. Speaker, I IAJould Like l·o takE• the opportunj t:y to .:i.nfor'tTI hon. l'nPJnbC:H'S of the,~ SUCCt'!SS of thE• programmE! last year. Wi.t.h thE!$~) mi.1l.ion that. 1~1as a1l.ocat.ed For thE! programme, approximately 2,000 jobs were created. SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE!ar, hear! MR. SIMMS: Tho ;,HH~ i" age i:cH'rn of o rnp 1 o y 111e n t. IAJa s twenty-five weeks.

Many of the jobs IAJnl"l" for long(!r p! '!ri.ods of time and, in Fact, I understand rn<HlY oF !:hose i'ha ·l· IAJC!I"n ei'nployed unde:~r the programmE! ar'E~ still IAJorki n•:;J, I~H~re kepi: on by I': he ernployE!rS, So, CE!rtain1y it. lAJcH; succossf11l ··in Uv1L r·::~spec-1.:. No. 17 R821

SOME HON. MEMBERS : HE!ar, hE!ar! MR. SIMMS: I would also like to tell hon. mE!mb~n·s l·.hat of i·he jobs cr'P.ale:~d. 47 per cent were female and 53 per cnn"l: t~wr·e youi:h, 111hi .ch I.AH~r·e strong objectives of the programme. M;~. Spf~i'lker, many r:!rnploy81~s of i:hP Province, who would not normally halJP. bf!C:!I1 gi .Vf:!n rln opportunity i:O hire additional staff, t.uere given one tn ~his partlcular wage subd.dy programmE!. As a r'E!Sul t, ln~tny un~~mpl.oyr~d Nc:~wfoundland(:H'S obtained employment .

With the addttional $2.5 million that is being allocated to the programme, thC'! dE!partrnE!nt and l:.he government is hoping that we• wi .ll be able to create, this year, 3,000 new jobs. Based on the response from last year's programme,· we expect this year's IAJi.ll. al.so bE! a StJccess i'Hld wJ.J.J. continUE! to bE! mutualJ.y beneficial ~o potential employees, thd private sr:~ctor, and, indee!d, the gOVl'!r'nmr~nL. SOMf HON. MEMRERS : I lear·, hear·' MR. Df:CKFR: M ·~ I . Spr~akei~ . MR. SPF(.)I<ER : ThE! hon. the TTIE!ITibE:'r for· the S·t·rcd t of Rel J.e Tsl r:!. MR.

DF ~CKER : We have had, I be!lieve, years of Tory rule ProvincE!, and what. is legacy, Mr. Speaker? AN HON. MEMBER : And seventeen more to go . MR. DECKE"R: L822 ApriJ. lS, 1988 seventeen in this the Tory Vol XL Last moni-:h, 34 p~ :!r cent of all. OIH' young peoplE! between thE! agE!S of ni.neLeon and t:~~1enLy -four uiE!rE! unemployed, 1,7,000 young people. ~N HON. MEMBER: Sharne! MR. DECKER: Thal, Mr. Spe:~akE!I~, is thE! Tory l.r~gacy. find U1e mi .nts I et~ ge:' l .. s up and brags about 3,000 jobs IAJhich may or may no ·l: be crE:'al ~ed .

No wonder the Minister of CareE!r Oevt:~loprnonl- . i'lnd Advancl">d Sl~tJd:i.E!S is not here today. MR. MORGAN : Do you not 1~1ant thc:Hn? MR. SPEAKER: OrdE:~r, please! MR. DECKER: He was ashamed to comE! and put th·is statement ., he had to p()ko ;! il:. off on thE! hon . the GoVE!ri1TnE!tlt. House:~ I..E:~ador. H.c'! ·is ashcuned t.o bE! hE!re. NOIJJ, Ml~. Speai<E!r, thE! 17,000 YOIHl~J pPopl ~~ 1~1ho i'-li"P. I.II'H~tnpl oy1:!d l'ocL ·•1y ·is only the official Stati stics Cdl 'li'"tda nurnbr: !r . • ~h~t•JfotJndJ anders JAJi.ll tE•l] you that in actual fact L here n i" C! pro b .~1 b l y ?.

S , 000 p c~ o p l e unernpJ oyed in t:his Pr·ov:i.nCE! Loda y , young pr:!ople t.,Jho do noL knotAJ t~Jhat- . it is to have a rE:~al, proper job, Ml~ . ~'Jpoi•lkl:;!i" MR. SIMMS: Mr. Speaker, on a point of order . MR. SPEAKER : Or·der, please! MR. DECKER: The rni ni s te•r is not going t.o rne finish my statement, again. MR. SPEAKER: Ord(:~r, pleaSE!! let No. 17 R822

~[ MR. DFCI<ER: 1-1"'1 cannot takE! it. . He cannot L ''' k e i ·1·. . H c ·i s U"'IC'i ng my 1'. i.rn0, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! A point of order, the hon. the President of the Council. MR. SIMMS: Mr. Speaker, if the hon. member will be careful and not blow a gasi<E:1t., I just want to make a point here. The point here is that it was a simple statement to anno1Jnce that: t:her'~ 1.1Jero applications available for a pRrt ·.i.CIJJ.,~I" pr·ogrrunrn0. Ti: hdd no-t-hing to do 1.o~.d th the youth unt:~rrip1oyrncn1 : r·;-:'11'.<:! ur any oF thr.li : kind of ~tuff.

Absolutely nothing! rhe han . o1"der·. membei" i !) r:1 e;'lrl y 0111 : or Tf he wi~hes to comment on '1-: h a ·i·. , ·I~ h r~ r t~ a r· o o t: hE! r· opport·LJni.t·ies to do so. Let him R s k q 11 f:! s i·_ i. on s ·i n L he H r)l.l s e oF Assembly in QtH:'stion PE!riod for a change. Or 1 Ed·_ IT.·i.m part:-Lci.pr.~ l::e in a debate on the motion that his own colleague has on the Order Paper, I beli.eUE!, somE! time dou.m t.hE:~ r·oad, IAJ-i.t:h I"E:~Spect: r.O unE!mployment rates.

But let him no·t. abuse the r1Jl.c,1s of th~~ House, where a member is alloWE!d to re:~spond to C\ particular s 1-.al-:ernent : and then tai<E!S off and taJ.k about :. something eJ.se t:otaJ.l.y out of order. I think that is totally OIJt of or·der and sho1Jld nol· . b0 permitted . MR. DECKER : Mr . ~?~)(':1a I< P.r, 1-.o Lhat: po-in-t· . oF Olnder. MR. SPEAKER : To tha{-. prri .nt: oF ordr~r·, l'.hr) hon. 'the member for the Strait of Belle rsle. 1_8/3 Apr·il lS, 1988 Vol XL MR . DECKER : Ml".

Speai<E:1r, all too often l.UE~ sE•E! 1: h a+ ·. i: hi s j_ s IJJ h i't +: l-:l·r ·i s part. i c u l a r han. gent1E!fnan does. I haUE! t.LAJO rni.nutes t.:o r·eply. II-: I~Jas not-:. a point of ordE!r, Mr. SpE!akE!r. He i.s i:aki.ng my t: ·i.tnc~ so I cannot go ahE!ad with my reply to thts statement, 1.uhi.ch was perfectly in order. ~_§PEAK~E: Order, please! To that potnt of Ol"dE!r. Han. memb(H'S responding to Min:.Lst:er :i.a1 confine t.hE!ir Statements must r·~~rnr.~rks to statement itself . hon . mP.rnber t•Jas off that path. --j ,.,.r o I" rn ·l.l·w h c: n . has elapsed. MR.

DFCKFR : ·1·: h (:' I do part.·i ciJl.ar thj nk l:hE' q e 1-1: j ng I l.J.JOUJd IIWII'I br: •r' so mewh at like to h::i <:: 1--"i IJ} (• Yes, exactly! Sur~=! ·.it:. has . MR. FENWICK: Mr·. SpE'!akE!r . MR. SPEAKFR : The han. the member for Menjhek . MR. FENWICK: Thank you UE!r'y rr11Jch, Mr·. ~3pE!aker . T h -i. s i. s "' s h a m . r h a 1·.: ·i_ s 1··. h e o n 1 y way to describe it. It ts just cl sham. We haue a Ministerial St.aternE:~nt herE:1 that says t:.ha+: LAJE! .'Ire gc'!Li :i.ng an i.ncr ea sE• fr um ~J;5 million to $7. S m:iJ J ion :i.n lhE! Pr· ·i ua l:r:~ ~::;eci :or · F.mpl.oymE•n t. Programme.

Wha ·t. they do not: say, at: ·1-.he sa1T1e 1·.--irne, -is l:.hal · a $'7.5 million programme la st year for :~mpl .oymeni ·: I~Ji t.:lri n Uw gouernrnen t., in Summer jobs mostly for students and yr)llng people, has be~ :!n t:ot:al.Jy cancelJ.ed. You add up thE! monC'!Y l:hal: I)Jr-~nl· --ini --.o -ii· 'lasl· yc,'H' in this depar ·tment and you IAJ:i11 find :

F) rrr'i.l .l ion ·'1nd $'/ . s lll'i ... ll ·i on, I)Jh Jch No. 17 R823

.is $12 . .5 milJ.ion i.n total. tf yo1J add up this $7 . .S million and to.1o other smalJ. programmes of $1 milJion and $1 . .S miJlion, you only havE:1 $9 million. Mr. Speaker, that is a $3. S rrd llion reduction in spending on job credtion by this governmcoHit. Ii: show;, T. Uli.nk, Mr. Spr~akf)r, i·o H1e entir'e Province and to c tJ p r y bod y , t·: h a i: U1 1':! y a r r~ i:r' y i n g ·l·· o bl j ndfold +:he deviJ in the dark.

W h '" 1: 1: hey 0 r f:! say i. n g ·i s i: h a '1: t· hey ar'C:1 spend-:i.ng more money by i.ncr·easi ng i i·: by SO per' ceni··, I:)IJi: they V(~ry conveniently forget that l:hc;!y have al .rc'!ady CIJt $'7. IJ mJ.lJ.i on out of the progra~ne . Mr'. SpE:'aker', I say to thE:1TTI that tAle have examined the Private Sector Programme. We are awaiting r·eports from the rn-i.nisi' ·.er' about- . hotAJ perrnanE!nt these jobs are, becaiJse tAle have certain questLons therE!.

As a matter of fact, Mr. • Speaker, thi.s governrrH'!nt has dropped its spending from $12.5 mill i. on L o $9 rni .lJ-:i . on on d j_ r C'! c t job creation in this department. Th·is ·is a loss from 1.1.Jhat t•Je had last year, and that is what it should be recogni 7.ed as . Thai: is IAI h y T s a y t o t h em t h i s i s a s h am , 'Hld t·.:hey sho11ld noi: be alloiA,nd l·o get away with it. Oral Questions MR. WELlS : Mr . Speaker . MR . SPFnKFR : The hon. the Opposition. MR. WELLS : Mr. SpeakE!r, I q u e s t i. on l: o Finance (Mr.

LE!adE!r of the tAiant to address a of o.d th thE:1 Mi.nis'I-:E:1r W:indsor), L82.4- April 1.5, l9B8 IJoJ XI. respE:~ct to his sl:atE•ITIE!nt.s rnade recently about the unemployment rate, anr.l hi.s argulfiE!nl:s that the unemployme!nt rate is, in fact, on 1 y h a l. f l·: he r a i: P. t h a t i s s h OtAll'l as the official unernployiTIE!nt ratE! ·i.n 1\lf:!l~lfoundlc:~nd. I would ask the minister if he, br~forf:! hr-~ rn<~d:~ t·.hosn si-.ah:'ITIE!nl:s, read thE!

House Royal Contrn:iss.:i.on Report, c.Hld, ·i.n por1 :iCLilar, J.ookE !d at the table on page 75 whi ch ex •:1 rn i. rw s o 11 r 1 J n c rn p l o y lTH'! n ·t: situation in this Province Fr·om a v a r i e i: y of p o ·i. n l: s o f v -i n '"' . I t­ sets ·aut nine diffE:~ren·l~. standc:ll~ds for IIWi.'l.SIJr "ing i.l-.. fly sc~ven oF those standards the unemployment ,~al:r:• :-i.n I\Je1~foundlr-1nd is 1-:tArice !-:he national averagE!. C1E•ar1y, by any standard, .-i l: i.s t·.1Ari ce !:he na l·j on a 1 average. In every other one it is clearly that much .

T tAJould ask l·:he hon. irdnistE!r : Does he still stand by the statem(:!nt he made, al.bE=d.t otJts:i .dE! the HOUSE! but IAJi.dely ('E!pOIAtE!d in the press, thai:, in fact, the official unemployment rate in Nc :'IAifOIJI'lrlland do: :!S nol~. L1Auly reflect the unemployment rate? MR. SPEAKER: nw hon . t-:hi ·:! MJn ·i.s l:er· of f-" i rli.HlCe . Mf~. WINDSOR : Mr. Speaker, the answer 1-:o all I I l · · r· 1 · '1 0 S C C[l U~ S ' ·. J. 0 n S '1 S y (' <: . . 'H~ V E! looked at ·those numbers.

I hc\VE! also l ooknd ·~ ·1·. all I he figiH 'CS from Stats Canada and those are i: h c F .-i g 1.1 r· c <; r 1.1 s c d a s L h r:• b a s "i. s for the statements that I rnad e . The fac::t of 1--ht ~ mF.J.t ·.ter' -is , and I made i,t very clear' in th:is House a~; IAie 'l l as o u ·t·. s -i_ de , thai~ [ do not question the validity of the nurnbC'!Y'S that: Stat:s Canadr~ has and that thE! House Cornm:lssj_on RE•po1At: :is basE•d on . In fact:, T arn using the same numbers, but what I am No. l 7 R8 2 L~

doj ng :is J ooki.ng at t-hem fr·orn a ch. F f (~ 1n en t p o ··i n 1: oF v i OI.•J . If yo IJ con!d dr:~r thr:~ nurnbc->.rs as t.hey a1nc->., 1:1·1,'11: gives yo11 ~ fi'lir .i.ndir:c::1l:ion irt reJ ation l~.o other pnwincr:~s . of Canr:~da, and par 1:-i. cul .di"l y in I"O]ation to the previous year·s in t. h i. s P r· o u i. n c.: 0. . W h a 1: i. t d o e s no +: take into account is the seasonal.-LI:y of c,~mpl.oymenl: i.n otJr Province . I realize that they are sr:'asonal.l.y adjusi ·:ed, but t~Jhat Tam s.aying is that when you look at t. he total. numbN' of p c,~ o pl.

C'! tJJho are employed that is a different ntHn'ber l.:han t:hr:~ l~otaJ. nurnbr:~r of people,~ who are E!Tnployed somE! t:irnE! dtJr ·ing the year. Tha~ :i.s whal : r. tJJas talking about, the number of pE!rsons in i·:he J.aboiJr force ver·sus the:' number of persons in thE! l <:-tbour for·r:<:' somc~t ·i mes. T. f y o u 1 o o k <.·1 1-: t·. h e d tJ r:· r· <'l g r.· n u rn b e r of ·persons emp}oyed, you al"e t:r:tl!dng aboul-. UHi,OOO on rHl HI'HliiF.Il: average basis. Tf you are taJking a b 0 IJ'I: ·1. h F:! n Ill n b r=~ r 0 F p c 0 p l (!

IAJ h 0 o':1i" (' erupJoyed sornet:jme dur:ing the year, yntJ <H'A i:i:dk·i ng r.~boui: ?.7(), 000 people employed some time during .J.:he year. So t~Jhcn yo11 r:omp<::~re those numbers t~ri th other provincE•s oF C<:Hlr:-tda yotJ 1~ri l.l. .i.r~dned f·i.nd that we are not that far behind. T h e p r· o b J. E! m h e r e , a s i. n d :i. c a t: c:~ d b y the numbers and by the analysis we hav~:~ donl:', :is th~:~ shortness of 1-:.he duration of those jobs. Ours jobs in this Province tend to be of shortE~r duration, on thE! average, in fact, Mr.

Speaker, some thirty-one weeks a year compared with probably something in the order of forty-three to forty five, T. th'i.nk ·i i: i.s, for other pal"ts of Canada.

That ·.is I~J h <.'1 1·. -i_ S InC! f J. (~ C I: e d h (;! r· r. , b i:·l S E! d 0 n UtP stetndard method of caJ.culati.ng urwmpl.oyrrwnt: t·:hi'd: Si'al-·s C<'lni'lcld does, and T t~JouJd I'H~VE:'r' quest:i.on H1aL I i'liTI jw;i· Si'ly·ing lhet"r. .. is 1..8?.1) April 15, 1988 Vol XL another t.A.Jay of looking at it and ·J-. h a i~ you tAri.ll , i. n fa c: t , F ·i n d 1:·. hal'. sometime during the yPar 94 per CI·Hll~ oF NCtArfoundJ.<.ulders I~Jho arC:' i.n the tAJorkforce, IAJho at"E~ looking For IAJ(H'k, a c 'i:ua 1.'1 y do f:i. nd IAJor· k.

Not~J, i:ha+-. i.s no!- to say that Js satisfactory, because many of t:hose are short .·t:.E!r'm jobs. But J am saying that there is only 6 o1n 7 per CC'!I1t of !-:he p(~ople tJJho are are looking for work IAJho d'o not f'i.nd t~Jork r.HJy t. i.me dur·:ing the year. MR. WELlS: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: () s 11 p p 1 E! rn e n i·: a In y , I·· h o h o n . 1 .. h C'! Leader of the Opposition. MR. WELLS : M r· . ;-) p o a k c:~ r· , t·. h e I" r:! <:1 r f'! , o f c o 1.1 I" ~:; (=! , seasonal workers in every other pi" (ll.J •i. n r: (' 0 f c i'l n a c:l a . 11\1 h r:l l': l h ,,!

MjnJster 1 s comments reaJJy ·i.nd ·i.cai .. :~ ·i~; i:hnl : all of l".he job creation activities mentioned by '1: h r. g C)

l) e r· n me n I· i s r· C! a J 1 y 1". h e I· lc! 1"1 weeks syndrome, they create l':rHnporar·y l·::~n ~~H~:~k jobs and t:r·y l'.·.o pretend that they are rea] long jobs. I would ask the rn:in:istE!I", M1 ~ . Spt'aker, ·if the'! off "L c::i.al~; of his own department agree with that approach, and hot~J does t.:ha t E!ff e c t: our position in terms of eqiJaJ ·i.zai:.::ion and o1Jr l:!nt.:lt.J.r:~rnl=•nl: : to a lE!Ve1 of equalization jf t.he rn'i.nj .st .er' rnaJ.ni:.a "i.ns t:hat: Otjr unemployment rate is as he states? MR. SPEAKER : The han. the Minister of Finance . MR. ~HNDSOR: Mr.

Speaker, it l'ldS absolutely no :i.mpi'1cl :. F.q11ali7.ati .on is bt"'lsed on the Stats Canada statistics and we •'11"0. no l· qtw'; ·l· i Ol 'l"i ng 1-.ho~;e. A'll I>JC! No. 17 R825

are sayi.ng ·is l:hdt thE!re is another way of Jacking at them. There is another way of looking at it if you want to see the effect-ive rate of IJn<:!mpl.oymE!nt ·i.n the Province. I also made it very clear l:hal: I arn !;l·:i .l1 nol ·: happy with the effective rate of lJrJPrnpJ.oyment Edther, biJI·., T Udnk we we have to look at it in per·!; pee i·.i lJG. J1.1R . WELI .. S ; Mr. Speaker, a finaJ supplementary . MR. SPF{)KF:R: A final ~uppJemen~ary, the han. I: he I r~;"'dcr· of Lhe Oppos i i·. ion. MR. WFI I :J : Doc'!S l:.I·IE! min·.istE!r rco!ali ze that +:hE!

F i.r·~:.i-. st·ep 1-o soltJ i ng dl'lY proble111 is recognizing that it exists? And i.f the mi.n i.s i·.er refusE!S l:_o recognize that we have an IHJemployrnent r·ate of rwar·l.y 18 percent in this Province we wilJ. never get Lt down to the 8 per cent that the minister talks ahout. I'-1R. SPF.AKER: The hon. the Minister of Finar1 c E! . MR. WTNDSOR: Yes, Mr·. Speaker, I CE!rtai nly do real·i~c,~ i-hat ..

And T rr!alize, as weJl, of course, that employment has -Lncr·c,~;'l!>E~d by ?. . 8 percerd·, rno1ne than 10,000 jobs on a monthly alJer·;;H:JC brts is ()\)Cr and a~: d r·esult. uncmpl oymcnl r'Fl Le jJer·cen'l- in 1987. 'l <:1rgr,~s 1- nb~;ol uiJ! IJncmpJ oyruent rate 0 r c i'l 1'1 t'\ d il 0 \) c r 1-h c SOMF HON. MEMBERS: 1-lc,~i:ll'', hE!ar! MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Fortune-Hermitage. ihr~ 'la!;'L yei:1r, of that thE~ dropped by 1 .~ That i ~; the in !'he decl inc of any province pas I· :JE:~r.1r. 1nernbE!r for L826 Apri .J. lS, 1.988 Vol XL MR.

SH1MONS: I have a. question for my friend and co 1 J. e ague , the fl.1i n :is t e r of Mines (Mr. Di.nn). He 1.11as bE!fOrE• t:ho Re:~sourc~:~ Est·i.rnah:!S Comrnil:teE:! a couplE! of days ago and I may say gave a good accoLII'lt of h-i.ITlSE•l.f .~tncl his department, for which 1.11e thank h.irn. T r·a·i.sr.~d dl: t:h•''ti.: 1-.:·irne w:.i.th him in Committee the subject of fE:~dcr·;ql nli.wi ng t<.·lX ·i ncc-: ~n l .. i.ves, and I now want to pursue it for a lfiOJnP.ni·, ~1r. SfH)nkc;n.

The Minister indicatE:!d to the Colflllri.i:l·r'!C Ult'li : Uw flow +:hr<)llgh regime, the flow through shares fll" o 'J ·i. !; .. i on , 1~1i. ·1 -, b r'! I" e 1:"" .i. n r.=! cl intact:.. And I i:lSkE!d thE• M·.:Lnj _sLPI" ·i!; +-ha-L ·is inde.::~d HH~ case;,. ·r recognize it is a federal issue b11l: he ·ind i.ca l:r'!d l·o t.he Coillln-i. 1". 1:.cE• that hE! is 1.11e 11 on top of it .

I ask the lrri .ni!;ter· is l::hat· i.nd< '!t"!d thE! case and dOE!S hE! have :it on good aiJ'i::hor ·i l:y l::hat l::I'Ho! flotAI through regime will be retained ·in Eo!SSE!nl:.ia1l.y i·.he sa1ne fol"l'll as existed prior to thE! statement of Mr·. Wi.l.son of June 18 last yea1n. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Mini.ster of Mines. MR. DINN: No, l'-1r.

Spnr1k: :!r. ns a mai ·Ler· of fact, I indicated to the c onnrri U:r.:! r., and i I· 1·1"' s b C:! en I~JC;! 1. l. known now euer since last June, !; i. n c r. i · h H 1111 h ·i I r.:~ P ,,, p c r M r· . 1111 i. l. s o n put out, that.: he had tntE=•ncl('!d l:'.o chcHll.:JC r·J 01~1 Hli"OII•::Jh. Of COIJI"se, we objected uery strenuously to ih,,i ·. MyselF, 'i.hc r"'-ini~;it:!l" of Finance and the Premier objected I o l4ihi'1t IAJi'~S proposed under changC'!S to flow through.

There were ch<Hlgc~·; bt'Ccw~;e oF representattons, of the Ministers of M.i .n(,~S. li\IE' held a M·i.rl"i s l:elnS of Mines meeting on it and, of co tJ r s e , t h P r· C'! I~Ja s no rn'i n i s t e r· t. hat I can rE~calJ. in favour of IAJhal: IAias No. 17 R826

"" proposed dS changes to flow t·:hl"ough soT do noi: kno1~1 IAJhr:•t"e l.hc han. gentleman ever got the i.Hlpress ion l·.hal: IAJe IAJCrP. happy 1~Ji .i:h llJha t. llJCI ~~ hap pe n:i n g to flotlJ through, because 1-.iri~; i~; s·imply not ·Hw cdse. The depJ E:'tion Rl10IAJiHlCP. c·lS f :i.ndiCr'lh~d i:o i".he hon. member·, 1.uilJ be dc-?.creased l.:h "i. s J1.1ne i·:o 1.6 2/3 per ccnl-: fr·om 33 1/3 per cent, so that is obviously not somEd:hLng thal: IAJ0 are hclppy with. It is very d i. f f i c u l. t . () s 1.ue ll, each rn-L n "i. s t-.

E• r L~Jho has had any input at aJ.l to thi .s has bE!E!rJ totally opposE!d to an~ change~ to flow through. So thE!re are some changes as f.l r·esul.t of what Mr. WiJ.son has done and we a r· e no t happy IAri L h t: h a t. , or lAd 1 1. not bt=! happy. We aJ"t'! going t.o bE! mon"i.l ·.or i.ng ·i.i- .. FlJery l'-1:i n-isI r::!r' of Mines thr·oughout C<:HJada tAJi11 be monih.H'i .ng Lhe sii:JJct-l:ion l·.o Jrii.-lke sure of no detrimental changes to l.:he depl.ei- ... i on al.1 OI•Ji:HJce. There are ti.>Jo basic changes.

One -; s i:he e<:ll"l'lf:!d dop1 ei:"i on a"l1oi•JcHJcc, and -t-he,~ othel" ont~ is the max:imurn i'IS . "i I· effects F1 OIAJ l·hro11gh shiH'E~s. The Pal"rwd dC:~pJ Ed::i on i~; one, and 1:he ol:hei" one 'i.s- AN 1-101\J. MFMR F I~ : Flow through shares. MR. 11TNN: No. Ther·e <H'e I:IAJO chClnges, one :is the earned depletion allowance i.Lsel.f MR. SIMMONS : The other :is the CED, the Canadian Expl.oratton Expense. MR. DINN: No, it is not. T,he Canadian Exploration Expense is another one. The eJ.igib1e Canadian Fxplorr.~t ··ion Fxpensr~ -is anoi'her chrlnge that 1.1.1as prE! tax reform.

I IAJl , 1 1 1·: h j_ tl !< 0 f -i_ +: i:l 1 :i. -(- ·1·: 1 I'! 1 i'l 1-. f'! I" , L.827 Apr•j] lS, 1988 VoJ XL MR. SIMMONS: Mr·. SfH:~aker· . MR. SPEf'lKER: The hon. the mf:~rnber' For· ro;~i-_ljJ']l,' ller·m·i l:i7!gr~. MR. ST.MMONS : While the minister is thinking, IAJO 11l. d I: h <'~ P a g fo! be good e no u g h t: o 9 i V E! hi rn t:. hiS? ThE~ 'l:iAJO t h 'i 11 g S he "i.s J.ook ·ing for· <H'e ther·e, conveniently in yellow for him, and maybe he can inform h·i.msel.f. Mr. Speakc,~r.

I IAklnl: h"Lrn to listE!n to this brief quotation, 11 ThE!rE~ is nothing ac l:uall.y happE!rl"l .ng 1.1.1i l:.h respe~ct to .flow through :i.tself. 11 I IAJOLJl.d l..i .ke 1-h(~ Page i·o g·:i\Je that to the minister because in case he i~; not ""'"r:~ I)Jho T <un qlc~oi-.ing, I din quoting hirn -in Committee l:IAIO days ·~go . N 01~1 , I '•JO 11l d ~; u g g e s 1:: , .. o h i. rn and to the House that they read ·l·h<:li sL:d:ornE!ni· . -in conh~xl ... ~1R. SPEAKER: Oi"der, plc,,asE~! MR. S[MMONS: Mr·. SpE!di<E~r·, I ask thE! rn:inisl:er· i.f hr.

IMO IJ '] d C 011lf>r''t I~ f) ·l: h ft 1·: ~) 1:: o"l 1: E! lrl('' ill: there, tAJh:ich h(,' gave t.LlJO days a~JO, l•ri ·l·h '•Jh;'li· he jwd· l·old Lhe HOIISE! about b.~.Jo minutr:~s ago and adv:isr:' ·i .. he H o 1.1 s e , e ·i t h fo! r n OIAJ or s u b s E! q u e n t 1 y , how he c a n r E· c o n c 'i 1 E· Lhe Lwo? Now eJ ther there is a change or· LherE! is not. T1.1.JO days a go he s r.li d t he r· e IAJa s no 1- . Today he says Lhe~re is. H~~ has noiAJ had a chance l~o bo .ne llp on flo1r. Wi1son 1 s statement. Can he now ··infor·m l':he !·louse?

He IAJas t:.hc:~ 1nan who introduced the question of happy or· IJnhappy, T chd not ~:;ay that at alJ.. What I am asking thE! rn:in:ist:.E:~r· :is ·i F h 0. IAJO 111 d i·: F.! 1 1 us , ·i f he h ''' s go L it on good authori.ty, IAJhat ht:! t.old i·he Conun-i l·:·l·ec h•JO d1-1ys i:lgo, l:hD+ · No. 17 R827

• lher'e t~Jas no arE! in fr'ont tell us i.f hE! good authority, t.h:is morni.ng change? His words of him. Would he do~1s have that on or if want he said ·is the acct~ral-.e thing, that he has it on good author·i.t.y thnt: changr:1s? MR. DTNN: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKFR: l·:hE:!re t~ri . l. J. b e The hart. the Mj nister of Mines. MR. DTNN: Mr·. Spe;:~ker, f·i J~!d: of <::tl'l, T hi::ttJe -t· o :. d y ·t-. h a t. :r a rn j n k .-i. n d of a peclll-iiH' ~;il·ll,::ti ·: inn ·l:hi~; tnor'n ·ing . T am l·.ald ng l.r~·s~:ons about taxes iHJd lJlX Y'l-:!fOY'JiiS fi"Olll l·hr-~ hon. gen ·t-JE:'man.

That i~: thE'! fir·st :·. h ; n g -t. h a+ : T r ·i n d r::~ -, i u l e b ·H incredible here this morning. FJow through shares as they pert.ain ·1-:o rnin"i.ng investrnE!nl·., fl.OI!J through itself, there is really no change l::o f1cliJ.J l·:hrough shares itself in the 100 pE!J~ cent. It is in how the depletion allowances and the exploration expenses a f f E! c t f 1. ow t h r o 1 J g h s h a r· e s . So both statements are correct in i" h , .. l t s e n s e . T h e y <H' (:' 1-:. o t i'1. 1 1 y consistent.

If you did not change one, 'i.f you d·i d no 1-: have your maximum exploration expenses from $500,000 reduced to $100,000, t-here would not be an effect on your' fl OllJ Hlr'ough ~;l'ldJ"f•!;. T C.:Hl g:i ve the han. gent] E:1rnc1n a compJ ete bJ"(:'i'lkdotAJtl of ·i 1·.. l'ltt+: T ,,.,,11 nfr,,,·i d that I t~JouJd tal«-:' up just about. all. of Qttes ·l:·ion Pcr·iod iF T IAJeni · ·t-hrough i-t. SOME HON. MfMBfRS: By leauc! MR. DINN: By leave? L828 April IS, 1988 Vol XL SOME HON. MEMBERS : By leave! MR. DINN: HoL~J much t:'i.rne i.s 1E!ft "i.n Questi.on PE!riod? MR. YOUNG: Yc~u have anoth~::1r hc)IJr . MR.

DINN: So you l~Jer'c-:' allowed, pd or to the c h a n g e s , i-. h e '1: ax t' e f o r· m s , $ 5 0 0 , 0 0 0 as a li.fetime investment in u1p·ital g;:1 ·ins . Yot.J t~Jc!rt=• nllol•JC::!d $SOO,OOO; that was decreased to $100,000 rhai· . ·is .l'llllnber one. So if you invesl-:ed $10,000 a year, cnr:e yo11_ go-1- h) <~100;000 tl'l•''d: ·is it. That w~s one ch~nge. The other changE! Wd~> J.~J:l.th rr:!SpE!CL I 0 l:l-1 P d (! p l C! (· ·j 0 n d ]] OIAJa 1'1 C E' itself.

You were originally ,:-~1 .1 OI•JP.d' i:l. s i'l l·.i'IX Cl"E!CJ-i 1-' 1 3 3 1 I 3 per cent; that has bE!E~n cut do1.~m t o l 1 () 2 I 3 p E! r • c e n t. T h a t t~r:i. '11 become E!ffE!Cti.ve in JunE>, and rH:!xt y E:1 cl r 1·: h ct t·. l 6 ?. I 3 p E:1 r· c ('' n l: t~ri ll. b e cut down again. So your flow l:hr'ough +.:hen ~~rL 1.1 only bl~ l•JOI" l:.h 100 pE!r cent.

So those are t..hE! l:1~1o Jrti::t·i.n chnnges ·in 'fl .OIAJ Lhr·ough that ~ill obviously have an effect on 'i.nvest-.ment. ()s ·i.t pE:1rt:r.1i .n~; l·o N(:!wfottndland, which is one of the reasons we ~;<:1id !·hat we llJould hntJe l·o tJ.Jal::ch it VE·r·y closely, in t.hE! past l·:.hJ"E!E! y E:' '"'~ s ·i. n IJ f! s i·. HJr,~ n '1-. ·i n Jrt"i n i n g exploration in Newfoundland went from '~B m·i.·ll ·ion h) 1;Pi rnill.·ion l:.o $~6.S million.

Next year we think l·hnl: explor'Ai:ion in Nt=!ldrcJI.Indland will go to tJ.Jell over $3S rrrillion, 1,~ri I h or· t•r"i H1011i: llJh<.·ll: happens l:o flow through shares. So it is IJC!r'y di.fl-·icu·lt :, ri"OITI lhc M·in"i.st.er of Mines point of v:i.E!IAI, to dJ"gUE! '"'·i l·h ·!·he fec:ler'i.-11 govet"nrnent dbOiJl:: all of the adverse effects that ·1-hr:! changes ·in fl.ot~J i·hr·ol.tgh 1~ri .lJ No. 17 R828

h i:t v e on m-i n i. n g ex p l cH' a r· -j on , s i.n c c it :is going to go frorn, tAle br:!l·ipvP., $/6 .S lni .l.l-ion Uris yer:tr to over $35 million next year . But, .:1s r ~;cri d ··in IllY l cd:h:~r-s l:o the Mini~ter of Mines and the M:in ·i~;tct' of Fi .nr'\nce, r:~nd r:1s rny co]Jc~rlgue sc:dd in hjs Jt::~ttr::!lns, we e1 r e g o ·i. n g t o 1~m 1·: c h ·iJ . tJ c r y c l o s c 'l y . MR. ~HMMONS: () S l.lpplf.~menl-.cu ·y, Mr . Speaker . MR . SPFAKFR: A supplernE:Hl't:.i'..1ry, thE! hon. the m<'!ITlber for· For t:1me ·· HE:H'rni. I·.: age . MR. SIMMONS: Mr.

Speaker, I think the rn i n :i s t e r 1 s i. n :i. t .. i a J. o b s e r v a t i. o n l~k1 s COY'InE!Ct:. Judging by lAJhat lAJe just hear·d, Tor anybody E:'l.se -in thi.s House could teach hirn a few lessons on rRX reform. The difference between him and mE! is i·.:hR 1·. t lec1rnE:!d fl"orn my expe:1r:iences . NoLlJ, lE:'t rm~ talk about hi.s experience. Mr· . Spcr.1l< c1n, had he r'l c c cpi·yd - MR. YOUNG : A ~;k me a qttc:~ s i:ion . Ml~. SIMMONS: T h atJ c q 1.1 e s +. i. o n s f o r af ·t-c~r·, but T tAJant to 111 i. n i ~; 't': e r f ·i r ~; i· . If he had ~ccepted SOMF HON . MFMRERS : Oh, oh! MR.

SIMMONS : the ud n i ~; i·c1 " get to th:i.s WhE!n you are ready. When you are ready. r-1R. MORGAN : Very interesting . MR. SIMMONS: t see hE! 'i.s back rl"OIII CLJba, Mr· . L829 AprjJ 15, 1988 Vol XI Spnalu~r . Mr. Spr~akcr, for· i:hc M·i.n i ~d :E!r ' of Mi.nE!S, if he had accE!pt.E!d an ·i nwi ·iJ1 h on ycsh:~r·dr-1y t·o I·: hE! Prospectors and Developers A~;~;ocir:ti"ion meei:·i .nq he t•Jould hi.'tVE> had a VE!ry d'.i fferE'!nt vi.E!tAJ than l·w doc~ s nOtAl .

I ask the minist er: Giuen that Hw Mi n·i.s l:cr of F-i.nan ce l<'tS t: JqnE• rnade changes in the earned dcpl.eti on al.lohJance td~d ch JAJi J 1 effectively t,uipe it out lAd thin a year· or so or·ig'i.nally 1989, not•J 1990 - .MR. MORGAN: Ask i'l quc,~sti.on! MR. SPEAKER : Order, please! MR. SIMMONS: Take your time . MR. SIMMS: It is not your tirne, but:. t.he llou sc 1 s i·irnc . Mf~. SPEAKFR : Order, pl c,~RS~~! MR . STMMONS: r f rny fr ·:i end, just hold hi s r· o ·i 1· . IIIIJ cou·; -in, I•J OtJld b r· (o! at h I 1~10 u l cl g I'''+ ·.

I a s. k the M i n i s t er· of M i nE! s : c-i.tJ en U1 ~1 l: the rni ni s l:e r· Fed era J.ly last June madE! thoSE! chan~JE!S, is he SE!r:i ousl y 't:E!l] ·Lng th i.s Hcwse that the $35 mjlJ.ion projected explorat'i.on t.:h "is ye<:lr' -Ls go··ing t.o be untouched by that, that hE! is f·.:(;~].J.i,ng US i·:haL, (o'VE!n IAJith l::he depletion allowance wiped out over H1e next : I':IAJO years, IAJE:~ c• ·~n sti'll expect gradual growth :in the ratE! of explorRlion in !':h i s Province? Is he tE~1ling us, ·Mr. Speaker, ·l.:ht:·tt the h•JO <H'r:• unrc·~l at·ed? rs h(,~ No. 17 R829

I:E:!ll..i.ng us thai~ allowance cutback t h·i ~; will depl .el:i on have no c,~ comomic "i.mpacl~ on cornmunit.ios like Baie Uerte and Springdale and D e e r L a k E! , a n d o 1.: h ~' r· s , IAJ h i. c h h a v e a fa :itnly large exploration supply component? MR. SIMMS : Would the mernbEH' rE!peat t. hE! qUE!St.ion? MR. DINN : Mr. Speaker . MR . SPE~KER : The hon. the Minister of Mines . MR . DTNN: Mr . Speclker, obviously the han. gt :~nl·lorrli' 1n no1~1 ·i~; conf11~:;ed li"ifiiSE:~]f.

Ldst. year· t.o~Jhen T tAlent bc~fo1 nc~ H11~ F.~d :irnai ·.C's Commil·h~c T mdde a projection on how much r:!xplor·.:ti ·ion IAJould be don·2 in Nc~wfoundJcHld. And at tha-t time I sc:\'id <.·lboui·. $/.S rrrillion. MR. SIMMONS : With the allowance. MR. DJNN: We actually hit $26.5 million . We had flow through and we had the depletion · dllowanccs and everything in place. The Minister of Finance did not mak~' any changes tn June. Wh<:d: he did L~Ji'J.S hE! put out a White PapE!r and that Whi~e Paper recommended CEH'tain changes.

We w~Hlt br.1ck to i:he M:i.n 'i s l·er· of F .i.nr.~nr;(,~ dnd he did rnake some chdngc ,~ s. He did not go back i~o exi'1ct :ly I,1Jh. •1i : i:hey IJ.Jf:~rc pdor· ·t-o June, 1987, but he did rrti-\ke ~;orne ci·J,:~nges . ~ .. IOIAJ I•Jf! IAJOitl d 1 ".i k 8 to s ~H:~ i l":. ~:! x a c -tJ y the way it I~JC.:i~) FH'·ior i·o June, 1.913'7.

I11IC elf'(! ~~oj ng to bE! rnonj to ring l":.he ~dtur:1 ·1: ·ion i:o rnake s11re i:hd1· ii- there are problems that we can -Lncl ·i C•"'+·P I.~Jhr.~l: :-he pr·obl f!ITI'> dr'e and 1.830 April liJ, 1988 Uol XL hopE:~fully get HH~ M i n.i .sh:~r of Finance federally to change his mi.nd, becausE:~ IAH:~ do not· likE! wh at: he is doing. But I do say to thE! hon. TTIE!TTibE!r t:hr.qt~ this year·, 1988, E:'Xplor·at.::Lon in Newfoundland will top $35 rn:i.ll.:i.on. I'-1R. SIMMONS: With the allowance . MR. DINN: WhethE!r the allov.JancE! is LhE!rE! or· nol· br.\sed on SOME HON. MEMBERS : -- - Oh, oh! MR .

DINN : Wait now! based on Lhe information that w e ho':"IIJ(! i"i gh1: I'JOIAJ ·H1c:1 1: C:Orrlp<'li'l'i e~; hcHJI;! given to us as l:o IAJhat LhE!IJ l'l.l"E! g o ·i. n g i: o ~; p e n d 1: h ·i s 1J ~' iH' . J u !i; t a s an example, I i:lnnounCE!d yestet"dc~y, T bc;!l."i(~IJf!, l·:hi"ll: lher·r;! IAJOI~J.d be a $3.5 million programme in Daniel's l·iar·bour·. The~ hon . LhE! rnE•tnbc,:•t'· fr •o 1n Daniel's Harbour will be ·inl·.:eresi:ed -Ln t:hai".

Tt~Jo tn-i11Jon of that will be spent by Nev.~jelds M:iner·i'1ls Tnc . anrl Teck· lkli.l l LH=! spending $400,000 or $500,000 that they promlsod under dn agreement with the government for the r·ei'\c 1-:i va t:·i on of Dawi .~~l '~:; Hal"botJI". The following year they will spend $ 1 .

r) m i. l l ·i on .i f l": h ~) 1> 2 1nt ll. -i on programme is successful in find ·:i,ng 7 ·inc. So ·if ldC 't:nke all of i:ho ~;C: ! and add them dll up, then we will find 1:h;qt: i·h·i~; yr.r:\r, 1.9Bil, '"JC! ~~rill ~li'IUC::! about $35 mJllion of inuestrnent in r:!xpl nrr'li · ·jon ·in Nci~JfOI~ndl i'Hld. And t:hat is IAJhc1.t: tAle haVE! donE:!. That. i s I~Jh<.·l Y 1~1e d·i d l i:l s i· 1J c:· <'~ r· •·:·:1 nd l·· hat ·. is IAJhat IAJE:' are doing again this IJ r:~ .:-~ r . ~J o 11.1 -, a ~:; 1·. 1J e c1 I" HIIJ p J" e d ··i c l: . .i o n No. 17 R830

ro IAJCI S $2 5 rrri_ 1.1. i. 011 , b L1 I· i t a C (: U a 11 y came out to $26.5 million more L: h d n i)J h H 1· I h ;::~ d p r e d i c 1-: C'! d . T. '"'~ rn pr'E!dicting this year that tAJE! tAJi.lJ. haue $3 1:) 111 i.lli on. NOIAJ l:hc hon _ ruP.mber· IAJa5 a J:ittle bit :.keptical 1. ~ ~; t-_ y e <:1 r , and T. k n OIAJ he i s :.keptical agaJn this yectr.

But the ,~ f;'lc: 1: of I· he rnf.IU -er ·i ~; th.~tt : l:he one yc'!c<lr' ·!·hat T mddE:' a pr•ed~j ction ·j 1: c rllll0. () 1.1 t·_ f i·d l" 'I IJ r'l c c II r· c:\ h~ . () ~; i·:'\ matl:E:~1·· of fact, i-t:. was mor·e than I h il d fll'' (~ d ·j c -1- !'! d . .~QOYI..f. : $1.~ million ouer. MR. OT.NN: Yes, $1.5 m:iJlion ouer· . And this ye;u· T. arn say .i.ng $35 rn·iJ.J .·i.on . MR. SIMMONS : And nE!Xt. y~:!ar? · MR. DINN: Well, I i)Ji ,ll knot)J th i.s -t-:.i ITIP next year . Stay tuned.

Because next year, if L:he hon. the Premier leaues me in the Department of l'-1i. n e s , '-'JE! 11.Ji. 11 . pI" o b a b l y t· o p HH :~ $'>0 nr.llJion. SOME HON. MFMBFRS: lie~ rH', h n r'll" ! Mf~. fHNN: Rut-., Ml". Spc,~akf!l", ouc:~l" couple oF yr,~r:n·s, ~;incc T m:i ncs, LAJe he~u~~ gone m i ll ·i. on i· o $ ·t r.:, 1n-i . ll ·i on mill ion, and next year it ClJE!n rnol"e . MR. SPEnKER : Order, please! thE! pas 1- c.-~tnc ·i ni o fr·orn $8 ~~ 0 $ /. (j . ·~) could be HIE:! han. thE:~ member for the Strait of Belle Isl.c. MR. DECKER : It is too bad the Minister F Lnanc<:~ (Mr.

W'i.ndsor) do( :'S rna k e better prE!dJ. ctions, l i. k E! of no I: his 1. 8 3] Opri .l lS, 1988 Vol X I c:ol.lr ,~agun. My question, Mr. Speaker, is to the Minister of F:duc:dl: ·ion (Mr . Hr:~iH'n). ThE!Y'('! ai"E! two mE:~thods of funding for· school bw;r,~s ·in Nr'!IAJfounc:ll.<'lnd, T <'11fl StJr'E! the minjster is aware .

One is for bOdi"c:l OIAJnr;,d biJ~)C"S, I~Jhor ·~~ l::he gouernrne:'r1t: pays 100 pE:~r CE!nt. of ·t:he cost .·, nnd t-he other' ·is for contracting out, where the board hr'l~) ·t·o PdiJ 10 pC!l'' cen1 · lr\1()111 d HH'! m:ini.ster explain lAJhy t.i'IE:! sarnE:! f () I" rn ill r'l () f f I I n d ·j 1'1 CJ . i ~; n 0 t u ~; e d F 0 r' both ~ethods of busing in NE:~I~Jfoundl clnd? MR. SPEAKER: Thr,~ han. l::he Mi nj _~;t:or· of Educat::i.on . MR. HEARN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker .

SomE· time ago, LAJhE!I'l LhE• gouE•rnrn(:!n l:: s t·_ar· ·t-r::!d ·1--o pr·ou·i c!C'! fl .tncl·.:i.nq l:.o operate busing in the Prouince for S C h 0 0 l_ ~) [-_ U cl C:~ l'l ~: S , i -!-.: IAli'l S c! 0 rl l'! strictly by gou E! rnrne nt c:d:. 1·:. hE! Li rne thro11gh t-.hH boar·cls, c·\s ·i.t. ··i:;. st:L11 done, on a 90/10 basis.

A boar·cl l.i'lbr-c.u:fr:d' West ·, T bC'!l i euE: ', IAld S I:: he or·:igi.nal one ·- Cdrne :in and sc-L i c1 1-hc\1 -- t·br- )y co1tlr:J opE•I"i:'li ·c i'l sysl::l'' i'fl more E!ffic:il"!ntly hauin~:J morE:· c o n 1: r· o l o F 1 h n !; y ~; 1-c rn , ~~ I c . , I~ h a n thE• pi"e se nt sys I:.E Hn, and on an cx per ·· itw~ni ·;-11 bils·i~; I hc:y lm 'r'P g·i.ur:!n the go-ahead to do it.

Because it co'; i s i h c b o ,_.1 r' d c x I: I" .-1 ·i n r' C:' 1 i~l [·_ i on to administrative costs, and so on, l·he 10 pc:~l" ccni· ·inpu-1-· 'l:.hat·· _ they would put in or·d~i nari1y t~1as C! l i rn -j n a +: r'! d . ~) ··i n c I'! I· h r:1 I_ +· i 1 n c <'I numbe ~ of other boards haue gr·r.~duall y (:a ken ouer· UIC '' i r· ot)m busing. Last year· t)JE: ' had boards ·in 1.:1•10 llli:\jor· ;u·eas of t-.he Prou:inCE! corn:ing logE!thE!r, thE! InLE•gr-at:ed bodrds ,.,,nd t·.:h~:~ Rolndn Cal::holJ .c Boards on thE! Burin Pen:i.n su1a and Cor·n~:H' Rrook, t.o do the sarnE> thing.

It is gE•tUng t.o the point ncH~J l•lhE: 'r'e e1 r.lUtnb er of boar ·ds arE• inuolued in runntng l:heir own No. I 7 R831.

:.y:.tcrn and they helve been gtven :··.he same ·i.nc:~n+:i t.Je i:lS I hr~ ori g·i.ni:ll board. Talld ng to people in ·the E!dl.lcai:i .oni:ll. field, Lhey fP.el, r.l.~; 1.~1e do notAl, also, that perhaps tt. do~'S not t.akt=:~ 10 pE!r' cent of th,,~ total transportation budget to coVE:1r c;tdmi.ni.sl:r·at "ivl'::~ cosl~s and so, and therE:~ seems to bE! a dtscrepancy. WI':~ iH'!::~ awarE! of i.t, it is being addressed, and we will hAve more to say on it tn the very near ftJtur·e. MR. DF.:CKF::R: a Supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. 3PF.:nKER: The han. the member for ·the Strai.t of Belle Isle. 11-1 l~ .

I) F C I< F R : Mr·. Speaker·, a:. thE~ rn.i n.i:.i:.eJn :.e1ys, i·l·rt:! boc'H'c:h dr ·c doing i I· 'nore '~ff:-i ci en-t-1 y, apparE!ntJ y. This is h -; s de p ~' r 1-:~nr'! n I· ' !; ·; n i· f'! r· p r r:!'l: .~, l~ ·i on . J a~; k t.ht=:~ m:i.ni.s tE~ if there ar'(.;! boar·ds i.n th·i s P1nc:nri nee 1£Jho rH'0. not us.ing thE:! most . (o1ffic:i.ent, Sclfe IAJr:\ y I·() () p r~ r· i'l 1·: fo~ ~- c h () 0 l b II!;('!!; ' I· h (:! n why has the governernnt not d:'i.r·<-:~ctE!d 1:~"ll. ~;chool bo;"trds lo accept the most efftcient, safe L•Ja.y to bus ch:il.dr·en?

I do not seE:~ thE! point :in allot.~dng this to cont'i.n1 .1e. By h-is <'ldrwi.s~don t.hE!r·e are boards that are not busing their children in the most (~fficient tAJay, so lAihy hclS he not directed all boards to take the most effic:i.ent way to bus their children? MR. SPEAKER : T h 0. h on . U1 E! M i. n i ~; h~ r of F d u c a ·1: i on . MR. H E.A RN: Mr. Spr,~c:-~kcr·, <·1~; w;11al i·hp hon. rnmuber· lAic~s not 1.-istening ve1ny r: l c i'\ r·l

I) I 0 I~J h ,., i: r ~; cri d . T ~; r"i .i d the or·jgjm:~l cl.ppl"oach fr"om school bo~:n·ds <:; l".i'l I cd i hr:11· I~ hey, t-hemseJ.vAs, in ti·H:'iJ" perception, 1..832 n p r· -; l 1 s , 1 g 13 a Vol XI . could run a cheapt=:'r and rnor·E~ r,~fficif.!nl ~>t:~rtJict~. r di.d no1~ s;·~ y that we said it. TherE! has been a fair amount oF . cJ iS CIJ S S ·j 011 r·e CE!ITLl y abClll t t: ht=! board run bus system cornpcH'E!d l·:o the coni::r·act.t=!d out sysi:E:!ITI. Th~ :!lnE! are pluses and minuses for each one.

Thc:~t ·i.ssiH:~ i.s pr·t~sently being studi.ed, as a matter of fact i n s om E! d e t a :i. l , a n d , a s r s cd . d , IAI r:?. wj.ll have morE! to say about :i l c~t a l.ai-.e:~r di'l+:e . MR. DECKER: Mr. Speai<E!r . MR. SPEAKER : () f i nill ~;11ppl r~lflr:!nhu·y, I hE· hon. the rnernber for the Strait of Belle r s 1 f'! MR. DFCKFR: Maybe the minister wi.ll tell me h OIAI T c ,., n l i ~; 1·: c n t.J ''! r y c l c;, a r· l y sometirnt:.' out si de l:.he HouSE!, but .: l:hai: ·j '; c'\rlO·l·i·ll':!r' poi .n·i ·.

T ··'I ~; k i h e Jrl i n i ~; i · e r· - a n d l :. h e bottom lJnE• ts t.his ··- t.uhE•n cto,: :!S l:hr~. rrrtn·i s l·er· expr~c l: i·o r·E:~rnouc:! 1:-.he discrepancy Frorn Funding t.o school b 11 s opE! r c-d : or· ~; ·; n 1: h i s P r.o v i n c e , the boards and the contractor s? W he:~ n does i·w p l an 1-o r· E! mouE! L h i. s discrepancy? Never mind ex p l.a -L nt ng J~Jhy . 11\lhl'! n lAJi .ll ·.i t-. bE! donE•, so that t.hE! board in Buln~JE!O B a y d ' E s p cri r· IAJi :1 l. no t:: I:H'! pay t n q fifteen dollars per student for biJ.s.i.ng? MR.

SPEAKER: The hon . !:he rJJ-inisi :er· of FdUCi"tl :i.on. MR. HEARN: ~1r· . ~)pr:1c'\kf:'l", onn of 1-hE:• t.h·ings complicating the situe1tion at pr·esenl· in r·clal :"ion l·o I:Wi'\l"d:. ; combining, as lJJas suggesl·.E!d l;;u:;t

I) p .'11" ' lA) i I h 1- hE~ Gander-Conndigre -Bay d'Espoir No . 17 RH32

Board combining to ser·u-i.ces, r-.:tnd so on on, is the recent study boundaries which is affect c-1 number of thE:' wo1Jld Un·ow a 1 oi-. of into disruption. run bus t h 1':' ·.-i.r' OI.~Jn ' on board goi.ng to boards and HlE! pl <:~ns Thel~r;! iH'P ~~ out cos·! · nu1nbcr of c:Jj :.CI"epanc:i E~S l"el~ltion io lhr. tll:i ·H1 ar1other d i !; cr ·rc~pt'lnc i r~~; J ei:tdel"S. MR. FFNWJCK : Mr . Speaker. MR . SPFnKFR: cl s 1~1 i l:h there in of o n e ~; y ~; I· e 111 there are l·hc pay of The hon. the member for Menihek . MR . FFNWICK: My ques ·l~ion, Mr·. Spr::'akc,~r. ·i~; For the Minister of Health (Dr.

Collins) . My quest ion is this: At the Committee EsU.rnates hearing on thr:~ Dr::~partrnr:Hlt of Hec:~l.Lh seuer·al days ago, the minister, in an arti. c l.c,', I~.Ji:t s quo t·· r,~d F.l s ~; i"ly-i. ng that i:her·e is no nursing shortage in t.he Prou.i.ncr:~ and that ,;, committee report indicated Lhere was only a ? per cent vacancy l"atE:~.

The rrrJnister· t.UclS kind eno1Jgh l:n g··i tJP w; a copy of· I-he report yesterday and, having 1 0 0 1<!-:!Ci ·~l ·l· i i· , J 1~10 II ·1 d C:l ~; k i h (' Mi IYi ~~ter· of lloal t:h to explain tAlhy, ·if thc:;~c ·i •; no nur••; i ng ~; hor I· age, r1 f u] ] 6 Cl p C:' l" cent 0 f t-h 1':~ D ·j In e c to l":, of NtH'~; ·i n g i n h o ~; p ·i i· i:ll :; •'l n d S 3 p r; r· cc-~n·t- of t··he D.-i r·c~ct.or·s of Nur·:.oing i.n l·he l'lllr'~;ing home~; i:lrC, clrld [ quote :', "Tndic<-Jtoing d:is sai: :isfacU .on tAli 1·: h t h P cur r r': n 1- 1 e tl r.l of n 11 r; ~; ·i n g ;.htff:ing." Ts not., in fact., his iH'gument t:hc:t1 : IAIP. do noi: hdlJC: cl nursing shortage just. thcd~ tAJE: actui:llly have a shor~~ge of nursing positions and that many rn or· e p o s oi t i o ·n ~; i'H' 1.':~ n E:~ c E:~ s s a r· y ·i n order to E!qualize the work1oad j n OIH' hospi ·~al s, pr .. i rncu"i l.y l::hE! onE:~~; L833 Apdl 15, 1988 Vol XL that haVE! been caught J. n l: h 1':' h o s p .i. t a 1 f r' e E:~ :z e ?

MR. SPEAKER: The han. t.hc,~ MinistE!r of HE!al th . DR. COLLINS: 1'-1 1n .

S p e a k o r , i rt t h e H E! a 1 t. h F~ il·:iwr.li ~e~ ; T gaue <:·l l~r,~porl ~ of a pl"E:~li.minary r·eport t.UE~ ~1ot. fr-orn a yr'OIIfl tnr :·ldf) 1.1p of ·1-he ~J11r· s: ing Association, the Nursing Un:ion, Hlf.' · l\le1~1f Ollnc:ll <'1 nd Ho~; p ·i tal Associat.:i .on, and the [)epar-trnE!nl : of Hnr:tl l:h . ·Thc1.t i ~; ,;, group l:h<:d ·. i"k!S bPE.~n in place now For <'.l nurnbor · of mon ·l·hs ·;·l:11dy ·i ng Hw nur· s:-i ng situation in the ProvincP, and t: hE:~Y h;ow r~ p11 1· ·in thr:ll- . pr·e J. irrd . na I"Y report saying that ther e is only 2 pr::~r·c c,~nl·· of "'~;~; ·ignc:!d pos·it :ton~~ unfilled in Lhe health oinst il::ut ions. [n oLher words, there are 98 percent filled and thE:~I "e ·is only ?. per cent unfil1 ed, so on that basis this group rr::~pol"t:ed Lh;:~l": t.here is not- a critica·J. nur sing shortagE!.

NotAJ tho hon . rrtE!II'lbc,~r· -Ls i'i!S ktng, a1"e there enough positions assigned . The way these po s it ions are assigned is that there is study don: ~ by tAJhat-: I•Je r:;:-~ 11. tn l:he Department of Health our nur sing r:on' ;lll t·.i'lnl·s . They go 0111 ... and set '! t.~Jhat ·the lAJOrl<load is cHld t.~Jha t the d(:~rn.Jncl~; drr~ dnd d ··i~:;cu ~:; ~; Lh·j~:; mathH' wJth the'• hospitc.tl s. Qu:il"E! 0 f 1: c n HH :: r· e i ~; i'l d i f r f'! r· l'! n c (! 0 F opj nion, I do not say thE•I"E! j s no{ , c'll'ld I h.:1l · is noi - ~·o bo tAJonderE!d at .

But ·t.hE ~ people tJ..Jho cH' (' k I'H)I•J 1 r:: ci g t'! i'l b 1 C ·j l'l I·· h t:' dE~partment . come up, then, and sa y, I'H': r· f~ ·i ~; 1~1h d ·l: lAIC f P r; J t~Klll-1 d be '"'n adequate number - not., shaJ.J we si'ly, i'l rnr.1x:i rnutn rlllmber·, i:·Hl <:H:Ic:!qua t·.e numbE!r - to do the tAJorkload, and i t ·i s u p I· o g o tJ 1:: r n me n 1: I~ h (:• n i:. o fund that number, or fund morE! iF 1:. h e y t.~.ri . s h . [ n u :i E': 1.~1 o r- 1:: h e f u n d s auaiJ.able to us, in most cases all I~Jr:~ <H'E;~ ablo

h) f1.1nd clt. i"JLi.s poJnt No . 17 R833

·in ·Urne ·is H1c t·hai our nur!:ing 11s is req11i r·cd. C.ld 8 q 1.1 tl ·I· C n I,IIOb f.~ r' consultants teJ 1 MR. F F::N~\1 r:CK: Ml" . SpeC'..t k er·. 1'-1 R . S P E (.) K F. R : A suppJ.~~m~~ntary, thE:~ han. the lliC,~inbE! r for M~Hd he k . MR. FENWTCK: My supplementary, Mr. Speaker, is that we hav~~ a1rer.~dy had another report, released earlier this t.ueek fr·orn Lhe same M"i.nistc:n·, bJh.ich indicated fifty-five nursing p o s :i 1-: :ions s h or t ·· nIH's .. i. n g , n u r s j n g as sist:.ant.s and war·d cler·ks. And +:h~~ r·c,~por·l~ thcd~ l~ld!> t.Hblc:~d by l·:hF!

Min:i s l:E?.r' yes tE!rday 1.uent on t:o indicdl ·'(:' t·hiJI·: Fl'!llJ ·in!.>1·il·ui· ··ion!; 11:;c ~l IAJor·kJ oad measurernE:Hlt or· pay and cl,:~s!;ificdi ···ion S':J!> 'i"r:'lrl r·hr'11· is ddequ<'.lh:=! .

Wollld ,~gr·ee (Alhi'l t_ not i·hi'\1 · t IH:~ t·h~~ M:in:i.stc:'r', ·thoE!n 1 he r·o,'lll y h<·l s no r'E:!asonclbJ E~ number· ·j d cr.l of r11 1 r· !; 'i. n g p o !; U ... i o n s iH' r-~ i n h o '> p i 'i:i.·l ., s !:·i nee" IAIE:! have ali"E!i'ldy held an ·inclical·ion l:h;::~i ·: l·h::~y .--n·e 11p l·o ~~o jJ(:~r·cent IJI'lderstaff~~d in one major n11r·~;-ing horne i.n t:h·is Prr)l)inr:P, and the :interim report frum his comrn:i.tt·er,~ i'il~;o ·ind:i.ccd:E:~!; U1i'li: he has no effective measurement a v a i. l a b 1 e t: o d o cHI ad ~~ q 1.1 a f-E,~ j o b of clSS(:~Ss:ing nu1ns:ing jobs in all the r·E:!st of the hospi .l~.als -Ln the P1novince?

MR. SPEAKeR: The hon. the Minister of Health . f)R. COLLINS: Mr . SpE:~<:lKF!r, J gur:~ss I~Jhc:'t'i': 1~1e r.~r·e getting into here is an u n d e r· s L:t n d i n g i · h i:l l-: 1·:1-w h r,~ .:tl i · h c r.t r r:~ :.ystern :is a uery dyndrrdc system. Thing!; c-l.li'tnge cp .1ii· .r'! ofi:cn, H1e IAICH'kl oad changE:~s, the typ~~ of work ·l:h,'ll : hw;

h) be done c; ha nge s, Hw 1.834 April Pi, 1988 UoJ XL r:l ·i s 'i:r' ·i b 11 1: ·i on oF s e r· lJ'i c e !; r.u" o I.II'H~ the Province changes. It is a u e r y , tJ e r y d y n cun-i c:: !; y !'> t c rn , ~: o y o u cannot say at OnE! po:i nt and t.J .me, ye!;, T knOIAJ <'Ill i'lbOIJ{~ l·hc;! :;yst·ern, and just J.eave 'it thE!re and do no mor'P 1 r:~r:-tr·n-i.ng, or· no Jnor'E! -i ntJe~; l: i g?.ti: ion or anal.ys:i.s.

We:1 ;:~, .. ~~ doinq anctly~;i_s and SCc!t.tj.nq up groups, and t:he one I jus L me rll': i. one d ·i s an e:~ x amp l. e , a 1 l thE! time, becauSE! it. j s a UE!ry changing ar·rangement. and you have to k ·1$.E! p ad j u s t i n g and y o u h a v e to hH! p , s h a l.l. IAJf:~ s d y , alter :in g your guidelines in view of new c ir·ct.nnstance:; as !·:hey <n·j SE~. I do not think, 1.1.1hen thE! study is donE!, t-_ h <d: IAJP.

C iHl ~; t:•l Y f'!'l i'l [·: IAJP l'l OIAJ k l'l OIAJ forever and a clay all about n 11 r· !; ·i n 9 ·i n 1\J e 1 ~~ F o u rHfl a n d , 111 1 l· 1 '.I('! wilJ. know a Jot more when th is sl -lld':J ·i:; cornplt -::i:cd . [ hope -il: will be completE!d sornE!'f:irnE• in l.hE! 1rrid Cr' l,,ll :e Sllllllllf!r', dl'lci [ l·irink il­ is going to be a uery :i.n -depth s 1: 1.11:1 y . 1,,1 h c n i.· h ''' 1: ·i !; c o rn p 1 H 1·: l:! cl T l:h:i.nk 1.t1e 1Ar.i.l1 knOIAJ a Jot rnorE! t:.hdn I~JC knCliAJ 1'101~1, · b111 · [ <:trn Cjll i· i E! SIII'E! l:.hai: tiAIO YE!al"S hE:'nCE!

I.AJ(c' 1.1.r:.i.lJ neE=!d lo do somei :h-iiV:!J Pl:;c l·o lr'!cH 'n E!~JEHl a little bit more about it. MR. FENWICK : Mr . SpeakE!r . MR . SPEAKER : A final supplementary . MR. FENWICK: My final supph~mE!nt:.ary is: On p a g e LJ. o f H1 e r· E! p o r· t 1: h E! y i n d 'i c a 1:. e that :i.n E!XCess of 30 per cent of' the grr.tdual ·:es of one of l::hE! St . John 1 s nursing schools for the yei'lr's 1985 ctnd 1986 hauE~ not•.J l.E !ft the Province. And the I~E!port gOE!S Ol'l 1-.o ·indic<:tl "e "ii: "i'; br:>CaU~)('! Or staff shortages :in the hosp:itals, primdr' ·ily ·in :)1 ·.

John 1 :;, ..:·ls a result. of the freeze. No. 17 R834

MR. SPF.AKER : 01nder, plE:~aSE!! MR. FENWTCK: Will the minister undertake to look at the lnterim report and see if s om e of the r E! co rnm e n d i-l t. i o n s i t. has rncuh~ f.lbout·: pult. i ng add i 1'. i.onc'l.l. permanent positions in, especially in hospitals in St. John's and nLn·s:ing homes in St. John's which h (.·\l) 8 b r,~ en ~; 1.1 b j ~1 c: t

h) r.l r r· r,~ e z ~~ f 0 r clbout three years Jn terms of l:h(dr b11dge1·~;. lo sc-~e iF 1*~ c: .. 'ln tcli<E-1 '.init:ia.J ~:'l:.E:1p~;

h) alleviate.;! t·.hr.~ nur~;ing ~;horl ·.r.1gc~. t)Jhr:~ther yotl caJJ :it cA :.hor·t.r.tge of nur~:es or· a s I'HH' i:i'H.F! of ntl r· !; ·i ng po !; ·i I· ·i. ow;? MR. SPf.(.)KFR: l'hr:~ hon. I· he M· 'i n·i ~;'l:r,1r' of Hr ,~r:,-1 t h. DR . COI .. LTN3: Min. Speaker·, immediately bE~fore I caJIIe i:o HlP ·itoi.ISf.! Hlis mcH·rl'ing T had a confer·ence call t.uith one of t. hE! i. n s t'i. 1: uti on s i n the c-i. i: y , speaking to the Administrate~ on t: h-i. s u o r· y p o i n t: . T h .i s :-i s no ~: unusual.· These changing s·i.tu<:lt:·i.ons ar·:ise Hll l~he l::·itTIF.!, dnd IAIE! 91"applE!

IAJi.th Hwm as t:.hE!Y comE! u p . T h E! r· e i. s e1 p a r t i. c u 1. a r· , a ~; T am sure hon. members know, s ·i. 1: u a l: ·i on cl t t: h (:' HE:' c'll l· h S c ·i. C.;! ncr'!~; Compl(:'X cd: U ·11~ mornt::!nt cHld 1~10 r.H'e grappling with this. It is one of I .. hose tip:; and r:lot/Jns i"hi ngs . T , .. i ~; C! ~;er·ious matter.

We arP not do1~mpl.ay i ng ·i ·I·~; ·i rnpolnl- .r'lnt:e, b111 · ·i ·1: :1.:. just CHif~ of those Udngs that come up r·er:,trr·r,~nl·:ly, -':lnd ~~~r.~ .:1r·e gr·flppJ :-L ng 1•1i th i l at t hc,1 pre~; ent l:iHie , L'l!e 1~Jill I~Jor •k 1~riH1 l·he ho:.pita] and I am :.ure we will come 1,1p I•J·il:h •'"l :;r'll'. .'i!;fc.lc-l:or·y ~:olut:i ·on. MR. SPEAKFR: Order, p]ease! r h e 1:: ·.i me f o r· 0 r ~ 1 Q u E! s t. ·i o n :; h Cl s c~~JapsE:!d. L835 April 15, 1988 Vol XL MR. EFFORD : By leave, Mr. Speaker? DR. COLLINS: There is always another day . MR. SPEAKER: Orch~r·, pl ~)ase!

T '"101 .11 d a+· I.UHlcome to e l r~ lH,~ n HIC:! mb e r· HadlOLH' Mil.J ~~ r ,:"'~I · i·h"i ~; ~;1':~1ge 1 i.l<e ·l"o the gallery an dC!l r,~gi:l-1-..i on · Fr·om and I j t.t.lE! HCltnbour· ~'>OMF It ON. MF.MB E RS : Hear·, hE!ar! Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Committees MS VERGE : Mr· . SpHaker. MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the Minister o·f Jus ·ticE!. MS VERGE: Mr·. ~-)pc,~<:lkE!r', is"sues of I wish to ta ble The Newfoundland Gazette for· HH :' p?.1r.i od f"'a y 6, 1987 to March 31 of this year i nr:l u~;i \Jf.!. Par·l· .

I·L1JO of The Gazette r:onh'l·i ns Sl.iboind :i n<~i'.C '' legislation filed under the S 1·: i'l 1: II ·l-1-:~ ~; r''i 1'1 cl ~) U b 0 I" r:f -:i_ n d [:- e Legislation Act. UndE:'r

Section 18 or ·l·i'lr'll ' rtc:i ·, ,.,,,, l:he lll"ini :;t. eln responsible for· the Off ice->. of t.hc ,~ I c.~ g ·i ~; l d ·I i lJ e Co 11 n s c-:~ l , T ; nn r· c q u i r· t'' d to table this subordinate l c g ·i !; l r'l L· i o n Mf~. PEACH : Mr . Spec-lkE!r. MR . SPEAKER: The hon. t:he Mi.nish~r· RE!Spons:iblE> f o I" N t'~ 1~rf o 1 1 n d l a n d a n d L <:~ b r· ad o r HoiJsi.ng. No . 17 R835

MR . PEACH : ·r wj:. h to tab] e the repor·i N(:'ll;follndl r.Hld .'\nrl I .:ibr·.-:ldor· C: m· p on>. t ion for· the year i'lnd l986 87. f>OMF. IWN. r"'EMHFf~S: H r:~ a r , he cl r· ! OR. TWOMEY: Mr. Spr ,~a lc F:~r . MR. SPFAKER: of the Ho11 ~; ·i ng 198".1-86 The hon. thE! M.i .ni.sh!r of Publoi c Works. DR. TWOMEY : I wish to tabl.e in the House, Mr. Speal<c:~r, the repor·t of Publ.:i.c: Te nde l"i ng A c: t Ex c eptio 'n s for March 1 to Mm·ch 31, 1988 . Notices of Motion MR. BUTT: Ml" . Spe:~akc'!r' . r-1R .

S~F()KFf~ : T h E~ h o n . -1- h e M i rd :. t- P r· of C u J t: u r E! , R( ;!c:re~ll:·ion r:lnd Yowl ·.h . I'-1R. RUTT : M r . s p c:~ a I< e r , r: g i l.J e no i·. i c: e I· h r.1 I· T will on tomorrow ask leave to -j n 1:: rod 1.1 c r-) a b i 11 , '' () n () c: i· Respecting The Public Libr~ry S ~~ r v i. c e t 11 T h e P r· o lJ i. n c r=! . 11 ( B -;, ·1 1 No. 3 1.) . DR. COLLINS: Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER : The hon . the Minister of Health . DR. COLLINS: I give notice that I ,,~.Jill on tomorrow ask leave [·:o ·inl-roduc:P. the folJowjng bills: 11

An Act To Arne:~nd The· Al cobol ()nd l)rllg Dependency Commission Act", (Rill I 131 (j 11pril 1S, 19flB lJo l X I. No . /.9) <'Hld "()n NeiA.Jfoundland ()c i· ro Medi.cal T n ~; 11 r i:Hl c e () cl: " (rl'i. 'l 1 No . 11111end The Cai "E~ 16) . Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given MR. YOUNG: ~1r. Speak(:~r . MR. SPEAKER : T h e h o n . I· h e M .i. n i. s l:c:H' o f Co n s u rn e r· Affairs and Communications. MR. YOUNG : I would like to table ansLIJE!Y'S to q 1.1 e s t :i. o n s n 1 H nbC::! r· E! cl 2 S i'l n d 4-'7 o n the Or·de!r Paper, as ked by thE! hon . rnernber For Si ·.

Bdi"I :H'! (l'-1r'. FtH'C'!Y). Petitions MR. I)FCKER : Mr. Speaker . MR. ~'>Pf:{)KFR : ThE~ hon. the rnE~mber fol" thE=! St-: .r·a::i t o r rJ c~ 1 1 ~-~ r ~' ., 1,~ • MR. DECKER : M r . s fH:' il k e. r· , T h"' u 1:' ;:1 p E! t. i U . o n signed by 212 pE !Ople of thr-! to1,~.m o·F Rale· ·igh on ·l·he Nor·l ::hE:! I"n Peninsula. The peti.ti.on is addressed to the hon. House of Assembly and Parliament Assembled:

Whereas the road to Rale igh wa s constructed over b.l!E!nty year s ago cwd .is I.AJor ·n dol~ll'l l:o t:.he E!Xt .E!nt that it cann ot be graded; and WherE!aS this road provides acC E!S S t:o i·hc ho ~;p:i.tal, h--iqh school, shopping centre and fish plant in St-:. (.)nt.hany and serves ~s our link with the world while also prawiding r-u:c:e ss l·:o Ollr' COITII'TitHdl:y and the Pistolet Bay Provi.ncial No 1 'l 1~13 3 6

Park; and

Whereas the people of Raleigh have bE!('!n r·eque:~sti ng this government for nearly ten years without success; We I • t: h (:~ c i. t i. z f'!r1 s 0 r R ale .i. g h J d 0 hereby request our government to b ~:! g ·i n u p g r ad J. n g a n d p i'tlJ .i. n g o f 1 h c-~ ten miles of Route 437 referred to as the Raleigh Road during tho St1rnrne:~1" or" 19 8 8. Mr· . Spc,,akcn·, I bel i r,~t.lr~ ·i 1: 1~10111 d be perfectly in order today to COITJpl.iHH'!I"ll· 1-hr.~ pr~ople ol- i~dlc~·igh for· thP nppr·oc.tch t·lwy ar·r:~ taking.

Pr·,;\ct:icnlly etJcr·y J·.·i11w IAJ~-:! ·J·11r'n on 0 1.11" 1" fl d :i. 0 0 I" 0 IH' 'f (:~ 1 e Vi!: :i 0 11 t: h (:~ S E! d ,.q y ~; I•H:~ h r~ iH' .:1 b o t.l'l· p e o p l r.~ b ., o c k i n g h:i g hr·oad f. . l.'ll e:~ I" c~ 111 f~ 1 n b e r· -, <:1 ~; 1- y r,~ r'"l r o 1 1 l". ·i n l h e B P J. J e v 11 P dis t r :1 c t tAl her· e t.: he p E! o p 1 e I~JfH' e so rh~ s FH:~ r '" 1-. e H1 <'It. ·t-. h r:! y h i'l d 1: o get out and bJ ock thL::d r· roads, Mr.

SpPal<c:!r', - .i.n or·der· l··o dr·~\IJ.J ~;orne at ten t:ion to the problems they I~.JE!Y'<'! hav"i.ng. nJ"i S IA{C:ly NeiAJfoundJanders have learnE!d is the only way they can get- any attention · from this govE·rnrnent., to gE! 1:: 011t. and have,~ c i vi .l disobE•dj E!nCe. But the ppopl.e of Ral.eigh arE! not t. a k .i. n g r: h Cl I~ a p p r· o c.~ c h , M r· . Speaker. That is why I believe 1~hi.'lt- Hri~; HousP. · CH•JW> 'l:hf.'HI d compl imAnt, They iH'O not bJ.ocking r·oacls, Mr·. :)pl,~r.\keln. Thn good peopln of RaJ oj gh ar·e fo) J OIAr.i ng a l:r'<.·1di I~ ion 1~1h·i ch ·HH':Y di"C flr'OIId of.

Tt i!: i'.l t-Tacl".it:ion, Mln. Spn;:·\ker, I~Jhi ch I•Je hr·llle -j nher··i U~d fr·om I h(>. nr·:it-.ish CornmontAJE:'alth ~:; y ~; 1: e HI o f g o tH! r· n 1 n f! 1'11 · . r h f' p c o p l e of Ral.E>.:igh t.·oday a1ne as ld.n~J me, H1e ·i r· rnn111ber·, l"o briny l:o 'I: he attention to ·t-he govc,~rnrnent hE:'re a~;sE:~rnblr,~d l·.hp cond··il·.ion of l·hr,~ Rc-1] eigh road. I_ B 3 7 April. 15, 1988 Vol. X I_ Mr. Speaker, I, morE! ·than any ot:hE!I" per·son :·in thi~: House'! l:oday, arn qualified to teJ.l about the cond'i.ti .on of l.:he Ral.E!i gh road.

The Raleigh road has been there for twenl:y years. rt was there when we saw this revolution in NP.IAJfoundl.i:·lnd, shortly aftti:~r ConfedE!ration, lAJhen IA.Je held the gr'E!dt Pre1noi.<:!r P(:'C!< --- Pr'E>.ITI::i.t=>.r SrnaJ.lwood, Mr. Speaker. SOMF HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. f1ECI<ER: 1 p •'111 ~; t! d r:l f~ l ·i be I"<:·\ 1·: r-:• ., y , ~11" . Speaker. I thought that would Cdh :h l"ht-:! ·ir · i·1U ·.e n·J··ion ,:·HH:I ·i·t- d··icl. WE>. had a P.r·ern:i E:~l" tAJho tAms bu·.U cl·in~J 1-h i ~; r· rh·HJ "' n rl b 1 1 i l cl ··i n g 1·· h i ~; Province .

T l ookcd .:11: d pr:·1fH'!r I" he o l·:hUI" d1;1y the former Premier had prepared lAJ~H'•n Tf'!l"rfl 7.9 I•J•::~~; be ··i.ng cha 'll (->.ngod, and, Mr·. Speaker·, I lAJas arnaz(:!d at. Lhe r.1moun ·1 ... of consl. :r'IJCt.i.on l~hat: had taken place in Newfoundland OVE!r' a h:!n year· pE!r· :i od. It I~Ja::; unbel.ievabl.e! I think t..he Terrn 29 dispu~e was ten or after Confederation. of cons ·rJ"uction 1--.hc'lt in such a brief eleven year·~: The arnounL had gonE~ on pE:! riod lAJC:t s u n b e 1 i c~ v t:-1 b l. e .

T 1: hds nol~ bt'•t :!n surpassed since the revolution ~~~h··i ch t·:ook pl <.·1CE!. revolution IAJe saiAJ i n c 1 u d -i n g U1 ·i ~; r· o .:1 d to St. Anthony. Dur· i ng ·l .. _hi:;t t. ro<:Ads bui] t, 11p in Ra1E:dgh This govPrnment has not been able lo n~o:dnl ·d ·in lhe roi'id f'"rn111 R<'llp ·igh into St. Anthony, ye l:. this gour-:Tnlncnl : h;·.,,; en.1c ·l·c:rl pol .:i.coiE:!S whereby hospjtals have been c f~ n 1-r -c.1 l :i z I'~ d r h e o nl y 1 n I'' d . i c o:.-t l treatment ~he people in Raleigh r: i'H1 9 c 1: ·i ~; i n i·. o ~'))- . () n '\: h on y .

T h .i ~; government has brought in pol.:l.c.i .es IAJhC:!r'eby schoo·l ~; nl"r,' CC'!nl:r<: ·\1 .i zed. The only schools t.hat aJne No. 1 7 R837

avaj 1able for thE:~ children of Raleigh Anthony and 1-:ht::~y he1ve o t.J e i" I· h ·i ~; r o i'l d hj gh school <H' r~ ·i n :-) i· . to b(~ bus E!d lhc t;Jhol ~~ Perr-i nst1 .l <"~, like ·I·· he r'(!~; i: of Ne1~1foundJ and I :is bc~~ing c e n '1: r c:t l -i 1 c d by H1 i ~; go tJ(~ r' 11111 f'! n i: 1 ~; !Jolj c::i c->.s I c1nd ·thE! r·oad:. I~ hat l..t.Jer·e pul-. Hwrr. rl11r · .. i ng I: he retJOllli:·i on in l· h j s P r:o v i n c e c-H' e no t be i n g mr.d n I· c:\"i n P. d . So the people of R~l.eigh ~od~y are asking .. thi'.lt this road be upgr·aded and paVE!d . Mr .

Sp~~dkr~~r, t-.hi'lt is tAJhat I i'lm asking on their bE!ha1f t:odr.,y. Thc1t: ·is t.ht'! pE!t"i.t.i.on I i"rn support:i ng. I am looking . fort..t.Jard l:".o ~H~ar ··ing t:h~ :! hon. M·ini.si-:Hr' of Tn.lnsportation (Mr . Doyle), when he st .. 'H lcls up t-odi'ly, say, 1 Y~'s, 1 am going to take this petition f r' 0 rn l: h P. Ill E! III b ('!I" f 0 I" t h C:~ :-) I" Y' i'l :i I· 0 f OeJ le Isle CHld I am going to t.:E!l1 t h e p e:~ o p l. r:~ o f R i'l l. C:' i g h . 1 I il rn e tJ P n gojng to let him make the iHHlOI.I.ncr:'fTifHl 'l-. J am no}. ·i ntr)rcs l:c!d :in rnal<:i.ng etnnotHJcc->.m~~nts.

Thc1t j s ~; ;i. l l i n f.~ ~; s ! [ "i'llil m () I" (! ·i n 1·. I'! r' (! ~; I: f> cl :in !;ce.i ng the road LJpgraded and pd tJ cd ·I· h,,, n T ,;wl .. in lfkl k ·i ny s orne pol.i-1-l.ca] point!; about announcing ·il., rJJr ··. Spr'!r'1ker' lh<'li· :i:; fool·i!:hn~~s!;! That: i!: a gi'lm~:! other' HIC'! rn be r' ~; p l ''~ y . I do no 1: g c 1· i 1'1 v o l v Ad :i n L h a i· nons r:~ n s e .

T l•kHll· i-hr-) mini!;l·er l-:o 111<~kn l·.hc <-.HHlOIJrlcc:!rnNJt tode1y I and I l..t.Ji.11 b~~ pr'OIJd l·o pi''s~; !:ll.ong l:o l·hu (::~ood people of Raleigh that the rnini .!;I:E!r' -is goi.ng t·o pctvr:~ the:~ir road. The1nk you, Mr. Speaker, for ind1Jl.g -i.ng rne . SOMF HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear·! MR. EFFORO: Mr·. SpE!d!<r:~r . 1.838 Apr•il lS, 1.988 Uo] XL MR. SPEAKFR: The hon . Hw tnr:~rnbf! r' for' flo l"t de Grave. MR. EFFORO: lhr'lnk yo11, ~~r· Spr:~<:d<er . Mr' .

SpPr'lk8r', T l~lr~nl· . '1-.o be r'lble r·o USE! up rny ·l.".ime in suppor·t:ing t-he pt:!i:"ii".ion so nbly pr'8~;c:'ni -E!d by tiiY colleague and friend for the S i-. r a i 1- o f f3 e l. l e T :; l e b e uw ~; e t h i s situation, not on1y tAdth the r·oacls lr:~r:=tcl "ing ·in ·l·o Rdl.E:~ ·igh, b11l: . l:he roads all over the Province of Nc:1cAJfoundl r"'nd dnd Labrr.H:for, "i.s reaching such an emE!rgency r.~nd . . . i l . l L J ' f'" t I . c r ] . ~; .1. s ~; .I. ~ u ;:, · .: .. , o n · ·: 11 <:t .-: .'1. - s o 1 n E! · .. ·1 J. n g is not done, and do~e immediately, r:=t!> l:hc''• 1nernber· for· t.hE!

St:r·a -i 1~. oF BellE! Is1E! has askE!d thE! rn:i .nisLE•r· to do , i 1: i !; go :·i n g +· o I"<:!"~ c h :; tJ c h a proportion that i.t j s qo:i ng Lo b!'! beyond ·i·hp po .. i nt I~JhHr'E! any r·'Lnance or any political form of gover-rnnr-~n1 : ·i.~; go ·ing lobe able l~o do anything about . it.. The roads ·i n 1" h -i !; P r' o tJ i n c e ''' I" C.:! g o ·i n g I· o b e :in a situation where people are n 0 I· q 0 -i 11 y I· o be •'l b l

f) I o I" C! C C:' ·i '! c'• the form of transportation lhE!y dnsr.:!rtJC or' be nbl c~ l:n rl1~ i tiC OtJer· these:~ roads. They ar·e no ·l r:!VE!n goj ng i o be ,'tbl c h:: clr i tiC:~ a I~JheE<lbar·r·otAJ or a hor·s r:=• and ca1"l".. o 11 r~ r' ·1 he I" odd '> l. -i k r:! ·1-h r> y d ·i d y e a I" s ago, or even Lualk ovE•r the r·oad!; . I h •"~ 1- ·i !; I· h c s n r' i. o 1.1 s n r:' ~; '; o f i:. h e ~; i l·tJ<:l L ·ion -in th ·i ~; Pr·ov i nee. lruhdl·. hd'; hi'lppE!I1C:'d l··.o Ci:·ll.I S~'! this sJtuat:ion to deteriorate Lo lAlhE!re i 1: i ~; I: o d l~ y ?

T h I'! s i ·I·· u a l: i o n , a s j l:". is today, has happE!ned bE! CausE• of i-:he pol"i.l ... ..-i.cal !;ysl 'E!Ifl IISE'd by t:h-Ls adminis tratj on. There has been no f "' .i. r' n e ~; ~; , no ~~qual i I~ y , an cJ no balance USE!d j n the a] location of rnorl-E!Y c~m ·i ng in From HH'!" fC:~d<,1ral. or provincial Treasury. We have hdd delegations, Mr. Speaker, corning from al1 over thE! ProvincE• of 1\JC:'IAJfOIIndl dnd and l .. r"bl"ddor·. We No. 17 r~B 3 a

sec::~, :df-ti_ng -in +:hn Gr.1ller·y t-odr.1y, R delegation from Harbour Mille and !-:he same:~ ~;··il --ucl'l-:i .on --i:; ar··i .~; ·ing, the government is not listening to !-:he· crtsts situation ln this Pr·ovince. The people from Raleigh have bE!en taking a very serious approach and asking for help, but UH:~Y havE• not bE! E!n t'E! c e i v --j ng any . We,~ ·i.rnp lore and we beg the Minister of Tr·ans por· ~.Ed: ion l:o r·E:~cogn i ?.e hOill ser·ious thjs has groL~m.

In E:~VE!ry dis 1-:ri ci : around Htr,' Prov i nee of NE!!Aif ou nd 1 and and Lab r·ad or t. hc-.l'l: ·is r E:~ prE~ s e rli-: Pd by Op po ~; i 1: -j u n Jne~nb r'! r"; or· by 1-hc->. thtr·d par·ty they have b I'! r:~ n l e r~ 1: ~~ri l h l· 1-ri ·; s or· i· of cond:-i ·l-ion becau~;E~ of t.h:i .s soJ"t oF Jnoney <"·111 ncc:·li: ion, no JflrHJPY IAihc- .. d ::oevc->J", and no rc-~cognition. l"hr~ M ·i n.i !; I· l'!t' n I l;",'l ns por· 1--.'\ 1-'i on ju~t a couple of days ago was pi"P.sr.)rHI'-'!d by U1r> Jnember· For ~)1 ·. B<'ll"be tArH.h an actual document lllheJ"P. HI!,~ Prr,,m ·i er h-i m:;r'!

"l F hc·ld pr·omised to do the roads, and had promised $900,000. llllhat: did the Min:-ister of Transportation do? He compl .t'!t:ely ignor'<'!d i.l·:. HI.'! closc.:.d his mind completely in front of L:he del ~~9<'1-t-.: -i on and i.n fr·ont-. of i·hc,~ member whe~ he knows full well thai: l:hal·: amo1Jn-l ~ of rnoney IAJas prorni s E!d. What: do ~~IE! hr.lVE' 1-o do 1-o gr.d· through to the Minister of Transpor·t-:al -.-ion and i·o get 1--hJ"Ough t-o thE:~ govenHnEHlt? ThE:~ onJ.y lAJay the pE!opl C! of R,:~l c i gh cH'C go i J'l'::J

h) be a b 1 o to E~ v ~HI t~Ja J k over· the s e JnO,~lCh "i ~; "i f ~; Cllll0. ·I· h ·j rJ q i :; d 0 n P. •'Hid done,~ juuned:iclt~e]y. :1 f i lw M :i n -:i. ~ l ~H' of T r a n s p o Y't.: a t.:1 o n ha~; c'lnlj sor·l- of dcr:r=~nr:y Rnd ,:·tny UJ.I'':i ng lr:d"t ··in h:irn, hE:' :i ~; goi.ng l':o hi'ltJC!

h) r:losn 0111 · l·he f>ol ·i·licdl fol"tJrn and r·ecogn:izc,' :imrnE~d:i.at.~>.l.y hE! i ~; going l:o hi·ltJC to p111· soJrH-~ rnonr~y L839 April JS, 1988 Vol XL. ·i n 1·. h e s c .::1 r n .:·1 :; b e F o r· c I h 1,, c r· 1. ~; ·1. ~; is b~~yond rE!pair. He knotJ.JS Fu] l J&Jr,~-11 you cc1nnot kr.:!ep shutl~'i.ng away, you cannot kr:~ep coVE!r:ing up, yo 1.1 can no 1-. do t h .i s , and E! x p E! c t. that it is going to be soJ.vE:!d on i. t s ot.~m . The M·i . n:i s 1-.. ('! r of Transportation knows this full lliC:~ll., becc11.1se tJ.JP.

J.~JE!nt thr ·ough UJP same situation last year in the t Ollll'l of Mr: '1 k i n sons !ALi . 1-h 1: he wa t E! r situation. He does not ListE•n to i·:he peopl ~). JVIR. DOYLE : We put a bjg, J.ong stretch of p •'llJ 1,~ men I· d OIAII'l i n ( --j J'li:lll c:l-i b l r,,) l.i:'t s 1-- year·. Are you try:i ng to say J~Je never·? 1\-1 R . ~; P F A K F R : 0 r· d E! r· , p 1 E:' a s e ! MR. FFFORO: Where? MR. DOYI E:

f) i.d you gP 1·: ·i I~ or· not:? MR. EFFORD: Where? MR. DOYLE : o·oiAJn ·i.n ( inaud ·iblE:~) . MR. SPEAKER: Order, pJ.ec-:tSE!! MR. F.:FFORD: Defin:i tely not. We d:l.d not gE: t ·i 1-· . r h r,' rn ·i n i s 1-- e r· !< no IAJ ~=; f u 1 l IAJ E! 1. 1 that last year in the d:-istrict of Por·1 · de Cr·, -~\.Je l·hc-J"f.~ J.'Ji"ls not onE! dolla1n spent on roads, not: on~'! fi1Je cr.~nl. · p·inc:e ·in dll i.:hE• comrnunjties . In all the cornwlln:i J···i es , Mr·. ~)p! C\ilker, ~-her·e Luas not foive CE!nts g:.i VE!n t.o a t.OlAJn COIInc-i l l cl~;-i: IJC!<'H' . Tol:d:lly pol'i U cal! SOMF HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! No. 17 R839

MR. F.:FFORD: Roaches Line is not in the d i s t r· i c t·. of Po r· i: cl e G r iHJ e . Roaches Line is in the district of · Harbollr' f"'ni n, nnd he knOIJJ•; f11ll (AI f~ ] 1 1.~1 J-t (:' r; (:) i t j S . SOMF HON. MFr"'flf.I~S : Oh, oh! MR. F.:FFOR[) : (lnd l:hP. Minis 1-r-::r· of How; i ng kn0111~; ful J we] 1 IAih~~'"(->. it :i ~;. Mr. Spectker, j t1 conclusion I tJ..Iould clSK /:he r"'inisi ·:e r of rrr'ln~;por•f:i:<~tion to stop the political block fund:i ng of monE!Y cHJd g i tiP. i 1- 1-.o all taxpayer's of thE! ProuinCE! of NPIAJfoundl and dnd IJ·lbr·Hdor·. MR. DOYI .. E : Mr· . SpE!aket". MR.

SPE()KER: Tlie hon . the Minister of Transpor ·t-.at i.on. MR. DOYI .. F : Mr.

Sp(:~akel", I am uery p] easE!d t.o respond 1--o lhe ppl·ii:ion prcseni :Pd ·i oday by !:he hon. meml:lE!r For· the S t-. r· i'l i I of R e l l t=! r s l c . (1 ~; T lVI tJ n ~~<'.Lid on a nurnbE~r· of d-:iffE~r-r:Hlt o c c i'·\ s ·i on'' , T ;•:url FlliJir-1 'J :; p l c r:-1 sed i'l n d alwctys happy to respond to any pel ·ii'ion pre~;cnlnd by liWlilbei''~; on I h:j ~; ~; i d (:' o r ·t-h i' . .d: s i d e , a s lAJ e J J , on behd -1 F of 1--he ·i r cnn';-1-.·i l·llcn1 ~; b(~Ci'.W:.(~, genf!l"al1y ~;pt=!alci.ng, a~; I h ;q u e ·i n d :i. c ;:~ h·HI rt n u 111 b c: r· o f I: i 111 r::: !; , the problems are legJtimate and IAJor·i:hy of r.l U~F.!ni ion <:wd llJor·i- hy oF a response from me.

At +:he,~ Sdlll~' t· . .i.HIE!, of COI.II"SE.', r"'r. Speaker, I try to block out as much as I can the politics and the partisan statements the hon. gr:~nt:l.(,~lflan rnadr:~ a co1Jpl e of rni.nui~es ago because it only serues to darnEtgt:~ Lhe c r·ed-i b i l..i . ·t-y of +: hP pr·oblem :itself, Mr. Speaker.

So I I. 84-0 11 p r .i. l l ~_; , 1. 9 B B lJo l X I do nol·: r;!uen llli'ln1· t--o rr,~spond 1--o these partisan statements by the hon. gon·l _l r-~mdn bc,>r:au~;c l::hr,1y di"C:• not really worthy of any great response. 1-i<'.lv:ing sa:i.d that You1" Honor·, a l. 1-.hi~; p;u··t ··iclll,u· ·l:·irne oF ye;u·, of cot;r·se, tAl~>. r·un into a nurnbel" of f>r'obl r-::1ns r:::speci ctll y i'-\!; i 1· r·el ,~ l--r,1::: to thE! rnatnt.enance of roads .

WE~ d r e i n I he i: "L rn (! 0 r y (' d r· Ill h H n y c 1.1 at"e getting a Spt"ing runoff and a ·l:r·ern{·~ndow; i'\lfiOIInl· . oF I"UI'lOf'f frolfl s n OIAJ and IAJ hat h au e you , IAJ hi c h is Ci'\ll!;ing qu ·i-J:(:~ c'l n111nbcr oF pr ·o bl.Pms on a lot of grauel r·oads in thE'! Pr·ov ·incr;! IAJherr;! you hdllf:' sort: condi~:ions setting :in · because of IAIC'ta I·: her conch t ·i.ons. HopefuJl.y a great deal of that will correct .i t-. s E! l f lll"i , 1·: h ··i. n a s h o r' 1:. p c'' r· --i o d of time when decent weather conditions prevHil.

In this particular instance, of COIJrS0., ·I·. he hon . gc'•I "Jtl UITiiHl is talking about upgrading and pclUing of 1--.hr-~ l~;:-111,1igh Ro<:\d and t:hi~tt ·i~:; a legitimate concern of the people in 1-h;:-\1 - i'\I"Pil. Hr:~ poin !-s OIJI-: Lhal· not all that much money has been ~; p r~ n 1· ·i n h i !; 'I ·i s 1·1~ i c 1 n tJ <:! r· · 1· hE· last number of years.

I wouJ d l.ikP to point out.. t..o hoi rn l· h •"'~ L F c.:: rl f1 r· ,., J .:-1 n d pI" o u ·i n c ·i ,,._, l 1 non ··i E! s ouer the last Len year pProiod <:1 l'flO II n ·I !) 1--.0 ''\ p p r• 0 X--i ITii.-1 +· f' -~ ':J ~t) ~) million tbat has been spent in 1--hc:\ ·1- pi-lr·l •iclll.·'\r ;:~r·t~' '' dnd hopr '!FIJ .. Ily that that funding ~Ali 11 cont:intH:' f n r ~' 01110. i-i rnn 1·: o c ornn . He also rnE!nt:l.ons t:hE! facl.: thclt it IAJf.·\S bP.'fOr'l':! 1--.h iS <jOliE!F'nlllHI"lt · 1 S di3.':J that most of the upgrading and pauing oF various roads Ln the Prouince took place.

I lAJoul.d 1-.i kE! to· po:.Lni: out t.:o hoi.tn t.hi . s c arnE• also +·.hat· s·inC("! 197'), s-LncE~ part-icular administration ~.Jo . :1 7 r~ 8 4-0

:into potAJE:H', t-.he department has bwill ·, 1wind yo11, ?,7.00 kilo1nel:res of road costing $234 million in i·:h i !; Pro1Ji.nce. I Hli nk Hli'll: ; ~; r.l sizeable expenditure for this go v E!t' nwP. n i·· t:o h;:w 0. u nd e r-t:cd< C:! n. In addition to ·that., 1, 700 kilometres of road a-t: a cost of approximately $14-S mill.ion has been E!Xpended by this government and 233 br .ldges put in at a cost of $S5 million. Mr·. SFH~ake:~r.

I l:h··ink thdl dernonstratE!S beyond a shadotAJ of a doubl~ thE:' comrn-ltlllt=!nl": th<'lt l:his government has to providing a decnnl~. transpor·-t-.at"i.on rH:~i" :t~Jor·k for· the people of the Provincp. [1-. is l.Jf:~r·y. unfor·t".l.ll'li'll·c, +·h;~t'l: I•H~ cannot addr·e~;s all of t.he pl"obl c->.ms i n <:'1 n y o n r. g i v c n ,u· r~ Ft b 1 1 1-. } h '" i · i !; alt~l<'.l.YS <'~ probl ern IAr:i th fundj ng, Mt". s p 1':!

Fl k C! r· ; ''l n rl 0 r c 0 I I t' !; (! ; I· h j ~; ':1 C! •:11'"• 1,1e hc~vc-~ ct pr·ogr·amnll'::', both a pr:ol)"i nc i <'11 Find f<-~dP.r'd] pr·ogr'•'lllllllt:!, lll h: i c h t s g o :i n g -t-. o c:un o u n t. t. o ~; orne $Br; 1ni .ll ion l·o $90 nri ll ·ion <Hld hopefully I Mr· . Speaker, as time goes on, 1~:r:! tuill . be,~ Hbl.e i·o addn=!~;s aJJ of thE! J.egittrnate pr·obl r,~IIIS l··h,'l1· .:1 number· of cH'Cc'<'IS of the Proujnce has. Aga:in, I have to rernind the hon. gentlemdn that we do have 8,600 kilometres of road in the Province '-'1nd aboul·: SO pc,~rccnl:: o·F t:h~~SI:' are paved.

Nothing, belieVE! mE!, l.I.Jou1d sat ·isfy or· mal<<:' happier· t-.he Department of Transportation, or l::h ··i s goVE:'rnnmni~ t··.han bwi ng abl C'! ·i··.o pave every single road in the Pr·ovi.nce 't-.h<::~l·. I~Je hdl.Jfc' ~1 pr·obl!'!lrl with. A s Li JIW go c s on , M r . S p e .:1 k r:! r , T a 111 ~; u r· c-~ 1: h :i. ~; go v e r· n mE! n t c o u] d cl c h :i ~~ v E:~ l·hdl '" Th<::~nk yo11 ur!ry 111t1ch flo1R. SIMMONS: 1.841. Apr·oi.J lS, 1988 Vol XI Mr. Speal<c->.r . MR. SPEAI<ER: The~ hnn. the rnc;!rnber For· Fortune-Hermitage (Mr. Simmons) . MR. SIMMONS: Mr .

SpE:'akr.:>r, I am 'Jery pl.eaSE!d to present a petition on behalf of about 4-00 1nes i.de:~nt.s of HadJOur Mi11E! and Little Harbour East:, t:Lllo con1rn1.1n.i .t.L(~~; ·i.n thE:~ d'Lsl· .ri.ct. oF Fortune - Hermitage. (lsI indical:.ed 1':<1 l::hE! M·i.n.ish:!r earlier today, the petition is a b o 1 1 ·I· r o A d !; a n d I a rn ~: u 1n 1:'! h e 1~1 ·i. ·1 l. l.I.Ja n t ~ as he is doing I to g ::i v E! ear· i·o Hw b111"rlcn of Hw pr'i"tyer of the pe1:··i t·i.on.

Fdr·l i ''~r· l·odo1y 1l·J('! nr-i .n·i s l er· 1~H1 ~:; kind enough, togE!t.heJ" lAJ·.:i.t:.h onE! of h ; !' c:: r r ·; c ; d 1 !; • 1 h c~ 1'1 ~:; !> ; s ·I·· i'l 11 : De p u t y M :"i rd. s L r~ r , to rn C:'! E:! t lAri t h rn u <'\ tl d IAJ j j h C 1 e lJ (! l'l p (! () fl l C f r·· U fTI 1-: h (' tllJO.

COITIITIUI'l:i.'l.".iE:~S lAJhO C:H'E! :in the Ci'll ·1 cr' :1 I h·i !; lnor·wi nr3, hr:HJ i ng got ·ten up at. an ungodly hotH' and hi'll,J ·j nq cit' j lJC:!I'l !-or' i·hr 'f:'C! l .0 f"our· hours t.o bE! hE!rE! in tirne for· t.heJ1" fi .r's1 ·: rnc'!r:!t ··ing at: c-:· ·iqhi· - l:.hir·l ~.y t.h"i.s morning. They aLJ loa k s U 11 qtri l:e 1~ri dE~ i'\1Ak1kr,~ and l.'Jh('!rl yo1.1 hHar t h e ld. n d o f r o ad t h e y h a v E· c Oil I e over·, you !A!i .l.l undE!t'sl:.and IJJhy th(~y are v E! r y tAli de at,o..Ja k e , evE! n :if t. hE! y llJE!r'C:1 noi·. 111hen l::hE!Y l E:'F ·I:. hornE!. Thl'~s(;! E:~lnven Mr.

Speaker, !ci 1 omc I~ res consti tutE• of road, one of F 01.1 r· road h<·1lJ n rna st. !; f:~ c I· i. on ~; o f u E~ r· y b r::t d g r· a ~J P 1 in the district about. Lllhich I spoken hr'!ln« ·~ many t.·i1n1:', ·l··.hp recent tirne being about a I~H: 1 1"! k or ~; 0 dgO The prayer of the petition is that !;1 ··.nps br·) ·:··.i'lk1 :!n l·o i1n1nr:!d"La+·ely upgrad~>. 1~.hose Pl.PV('!rl lei] ornE!tl"eS of r· o c·u:f i" r' o 111 I ·i I· I l1-~ flc·1 y F .:·1 ~; ·I· iH' o 11 n cJ t·he Br.l.'J cJ 1 Er.J.st: arr~a and :inl :.o I ·i +··I l <·) :I ··'11" b o 11 r F •'1 '; i·· r·1 n d H <'I I" buIll" No. 17 R8Lt .1

Mille:~. This morning, ~s the minister will be aware, we met l.~l"i.l::h h.i.m and the delegation Rt 1 hat U me highlighted three concer·n~>. One:1 of ·i·hr. concer·w; ·i ~; nmbod·i od ·in t-h:is petition, the:~ 1'1(->.C::!d i:o upgrEtcle. Thr,~ other· l:1~1o ,,Jr,1Y'R i·he nc-:~E!d t·o do :.ometh:i ng irnruediately db0111· 11-W Sil:lldl·ion 'f. r.':1"i:;nd IAJ'il.h i he rrri n:i ~:har· h<-H'P :in -t-he Hou~:e:! a 111 P. e k o r· '' o <.~ g o I ·I· h e q 1 1 c ·; 1 · i o n o F ·t l·w Bi'..1y d 1 East tAJi'.l:.hout dur·ing that.: hedl!lf rr'l'i .nf~'ll ppr ·i nd in e<·1rl y M~rch. The third are some con c t'! r n s I· h r,~ c:l e l

r) g r.1 i: i on hJ H1c->. mi n:i. s ter and .. h'.i s ,.,,bou+. : ·l·.hr~ mr:1 i.ni .. f~ni'lncr,~ I"Oi'.ld . expresser:! official oF 1: hr,~ T h a cl a s "i. m"i. 1 a r· P x p e ,,· i E! 1'1 CC:! 1.1.Ji . 1-h ihe minister about a month ago tAri H1 r· e s p E:' c t 1-o r.1 d e:1l e g ''1 t i on f r· om 1-lermitage--Sandyvi.J.J.e and Gaul tois, and ai : that t'i.me cer·ta tn concer·ns were expressed about maintenance.

I IAJant 1-:o say pt.ibl..i .cl.y, .in thE! minister 1 s presence, in the pr·esE!nCr'! of his co.ll e:~r\191H:!s and in the presence of people from Har·bo11r Mi .ll and I ·it: 1 .. 1 f:~ 1-fr.:~rbour East, 1 hat hE! carne thr·ough. He e1 d d r· r'! !; s r,~ d 1 1·1 !'' rn<.·1i n 1-e n r:-1 n c P. concer·no..

T me:~t tAd th the council i n li r:~ r·1n-i t.~ g c.) S;::~ nd y tJ i ·11 r~ ·i n Hw last Fet~l day:. and T 1~1as jnFor·med I· h0. y h,, u !':! no i· i cod •'1 :-rlc'1 r· k cd .i nq:J r· o u c-Hur·n ·l t~r:L l h r c~ ~; p ~) c t to t: hE:' i S S II C ~; i h (.~ y r• c'1 'i :; P cl lA) j i h h j Ill • [ ·thank h:in1 lor· ihat. T <'~ !; I< h :i m to g j v c-'! f u 11 c o n s -; d e l" c.1 I ·i o n h) 1' h ·i s fJ c l"i i" i o n because it is for the upgrading of <.·1 tJc~r·y bi-ld Sl'!ct·ic:n of r·oarl.

The mjnister saw pictures this mo r· n i . n g , he has s c en 1: he lfl b f:' fore , so I "lAJi.Jl • not take the time ·of the House:~ n OIAJ to b r:! l. i'l b o 1.1 r I·· he p o .i. n l. , becc-.1use I am ful1.y atAJarE• that the nrin·isl. :er ·is qJ.I ·it(;~ aiJ.IiH'P of the:~ desperateness of this particular L84-2 Apr'l .l :1.5, l988 Vol XI !d t u a 1:-; o n 300 or so 1-() g (:~ 1·: medical shopping and +:he-) r·oad 1-.hdl~ l.:hoSE! people have to depend on ~o schools, to get to facilitiE!S, to 9E!t to and to get to their jobs, in many cases. Mr.

Speaker, before I sit down, b !) c: d 11 s e ·i '1'. l" cl "'i· e s el-i r· c c i··.l y 1-o i: h l:' petttion, I tAJant to rl'!spond to a rnr1th~r· -J:I'H11 ' HH~ ltr inisl ·c~r· Y'd 'iS~::'d dur·ing h:i s responSE! l..o my fr·iend r r· ()In p 01" i. d e c r· i·1lJ f) (rJf r· . F f F (H' d ) . The->. mj nis hH' is d .ght. W('! ought l·o kt=!ep 0111 : Hwsc P•H 'i~·isi'ln concerns and considerations when I~J(~ rU' C d C! b rl 1-. i 1'1 9 -j_ S S U C S 0 f t. lri S import:.anc~>. . My fri.~Hld for Por·t de Gi"r·1lJH r'19l"('!f:~~; IAri l·:h thai ·. bul· . he h.~1s the same problem I have.

T ·1.. i s v <'! t' y d .i. f f i c ul 1-, b '" i. n q ordinr:u~y humr:1n beJngs as tAJe ar'E:•, l·:u s·i -1-· hr:!r·r,~ and b·i.t~ our' lip IAJhen IJ.Ie hear the rn:inistE!r say thc.'lt :in one mouthFul, bui ~ ·in Lh1: ~ next . instance we hE!ar th:lngs J.i .kE! thE! fo-Il OIAJi .ng: YPs, ~H '! has built· a lot of roads. Nobody dispu t .. E!S l .. h<'1~. l"lhdl' : 111e debal·e sotnet·i1nes ·j~; whether their priority about where 1. h 0. I" o ''~ d b 1.1 i. 1 d i n g :·i s b e ·i n g d o n e ·i s t. h e r i g h t o n e .

F o r E! x a rn p 1 E! • 1.1.1 h P n 111( ~ sen c l r'! u C'! n p no p l1-~ I!Jh o h <'llJ t'! co 1nc• alJ. this distclnCE! t.h:i.s rnur·nin~J Otl!'~l" ~1 tJ.cr· ·y b.-~d gr·<·1vel I"Oi :'id, on the one hand, and we realize , I ~;c:· 1.y l·o i·l·lE~ rn:i n i s1·c::!Y'; en i he ol .. hPr', that last. y~:!ar· :i.n h:'i s fr·il:!ncl 1 ~; di:;l ·r··icl · i:he rrH~lltb! ::r·· r1 .11" l·irtr'I:JOur Gr·act:~, t:h(-i! M'i.nist.et" of Consum(c•l" () f r .. , i r' ::; ( M r· y 0 II n

q) I h c s (! d ~ y ~:: ' lAJhen tAle r·eali.zt::. thc'lt. they hau(• s p r:~ n 1· $ 'I r) 0 I 0 0 0 o n n r' o <:·< d cl o l.•m there last year with only six h o 1.1 s e :; u n i I· , do no t· s t a n d he r' (:' and t e 11. me t hat tAle a r e p 1 a y :i n g ·t~hc,~ pol i 1:-i r:s . llllhen I look c.~l: 1··h1·'! Foi"ri1E!Y' M 'i.nist:.f:'t' of Transportation, thE! lflE'!Tflber ror St- .. Ceor'g(:~'s (Mr· . D;;u.Je) out i.n Ro .und Pond paving a road of 1, 200 No. '1.7 R84-2

f('!WI ;.wd /.0 f"eet ,,,j de:), piHJerneni up l·o c:\ l··.r·ec, beCc'lll~;e hi!; rdl·h~~r· 1 ~; Ci'lb.-in i~: b€~h:ind t-.he tt"e(!, and :;pP.nds fill ()1\J HOI\J. MF.I'-18 F I?: Thcd. :-i~; shocking, that is shocking! MR. SPF.AKFR: Or·der, pJ.ease! MR. SIMMONS: - and SF)('!I'lds 68 SOME HON. MEMBERS: . . Oh, oh! MR. SIMMONS : It is thH. truth as well.. UH:) l·:r IJ l. h . MR. SPr0.KER : 0 r d r,~ r , p l C! r.·1 s c ! 0 r· r:l C:! r· , p l r,h·l s c ! MR. SIMMONS: It: is r"' r· . S p n R k c r· , T k n 01.1.J rn y goo rl F 1" i en r:l thc-~ M:i rd st ·er" of ~:)oC'.i .f.ll Sel"u·j ces ( M r .

To b ·j 11 ) d 0 f.! s no{: l i !u' i I b I I I· thE~ tr·lJ'th often hur·ts. Th€~ truth of1"Y n 1'111 r 1: !; T h n F c:1 ·i 1" i·: h -j n g , ~1 r . ~=; p f! •'1 k c r , -i !; the fo]JotAJing: That $68,000 -.. rlN HOI\J. r"'FMBFR : $48,000. MR. SIMMONS: o h , i. +: -i s o n 1 y $48,000 . they do My l.ld t:.h mistake. What .did the other $20,000? MR. RATRD : Read your· boo k s . MR . SIMMONS: $68,000, T SdY 1-.o Humber West, was r· o r.1 d , M r· . s p r'! R k r'! r· , H1 P Htr,~rnb e r for spent pauing a 1-.o onr. house~ . r·1 r· .

Sped k r:• r· , T ~; <·1 y I· o 1-he ~1 i n ·i !;; i: e r· I BID Apr·oLJ ]r,, 1988 VoJ XL. MR. SPE()KfR: The hon . concluded . MR. SIMMONS: rrrn1nber·· 1 s I· i lfiC has T h a 11 k yo 11 s ·i r, r llri l l. c Cl n c -, u cl E:! within one sent.E!riC("!. Mr . Sped~er, I s~y i·o the MinistE!r, we w:i.lJ. keE!p the p £.~ r· t i s d n s h ·i p o u 1·: o F · ·i i~ .. L f h e IAJ".i. l. l keep the partisanship out of it, b u 1... t o t: h e s·r., b s t. a n c E:! o f t. h -.i. s petition, I support it. IAJ h o 1 E! h n art(~ d 1 y an cl T ;-::' s k thE! Minister to giUE! it his support, as I ~m sure he will SOME HON.

MEMB E'RS : Hoar, hr,~iH'! Mf~. MOf~GAN: Mr · SpC:!Rker· . MR . SPFAKER : Th1·:· hon . I he tnernber For· flonc:·1tri s l·!.'l Sout~ (Mr . Morgan) . MR. MORGAN : T lllOII lrl l ·ikr! l:o rnakc:·· c} comment~; on l..h(=! pE!l:ltoi.on 11 n r:l ('! r· !; ~-':' n d I· h d I· <'~ d n ·1 n g d i .. ·i ,.) n the area is in the GaJ.lery.

F l~I<J a~; I Fr·om ·I 1-h --j n k ·i 1... -i ~; c 1. e (~ I" 1 y o b u ·i o tr s t h ct 1:: the kind of approach just taken by I·: he 11tomber For" Fot"l.unc:!· ··-Ht'!r'l'rt:i l:(:tgl"' is not the kind that would bo s 1.1 c c c;! s s F u 1 i. n g C'! 1.: l·: :i n g 1:. h ·i. n g s done in h:is riding. HE! st ands up t:.o put Forward in a sincere way a p E! t i t :i. 0 1'1 0 n b e h a 1 f 0 f l: h E! S E! p E! 0 p J E' and r·jghl-ly so.

They tAJanl: l·:.he .. i.r roads paued and I support t:.hem. ·nul ·: l:he ''lpproach 1rtc::td1,~ by LhE!'i.l" membE!r for the ar·ea in getting up i:tnd <.'1'1-l·.c::tck ·ir·lg l:hr) govnr·nlrtf''lli~ and attacking other ministers besides ·l:hr:! Mi n·i s ·l:1-.~r· of Tl"dnspot" ·l-.at . jon ·in the IAJay hE• d:id, j s not l.hE! r·ight. <:lpf>r'Or:-u:h 1-o ·~~-~1·. l·lrings donn for his area. It is the wrong i:lppr'Oc'lCh llf ~ "i ~; rln i ng dc'llrld\]9 1-o No. 17 R84 -3

tho eFfor·l:s of t.hose pel~-lt-ioner·s, to the people from the area and the committee organized in the clrea. He is doing substantial dr.Hrkl9E! to t.he"i r effor·Ls, IAJh i ch ar·e genuine and sincE:1re in t.rying to gEd- '11 b.l OITieh~r·s of r·oad p.~~u~Hi. T fLtl.l.y suppor·l·. i:h~~ t l·wsc->. peop1e gr:~t .. L:i ng upgr<:11lr;!d <-lnd p<~tJf~d. f-)fforl:s of their r·oc-.ld l h <;ll.J I'! be () 1'1 fiJ] l.y aware ouer· t..he yc->.ar·s .

Recogni./P. i·h~ ri"'cl·, f"'r· . ~pnr1ker·, ·H1c1.t :.:inCC-! 1972, ·.if my f:igutnE~S are c o r• r· c c I .-.~ n d T i · h -i n k i • h .-:1 i 1·· h c y ,;, r' c , t ~~i"~l l h:i :; adrni nistr·a·t-j on het"E~, thc~1 P .C . (~drn-in ·i~;i·r·al•ion 1~1h:ich T IJ.J<:-1~; p<H· t- of undf-'1" both PrE~tn'i c~H·s, has <;penl ~;ornc!i·lring l··ikf~ $3'7 rn-i .l.lion "i n L hat r· o.i cl i n g , i n Fcn·l .. llrlf.! ·-HHr·rni lJtgr'!. l·fopnfltll y rnr:>r't=! IAdlJ bE:' spent. Uds year and in fut11rt=! Yt'ars, bu I I s<.·ty again, f·1r.

Speaker, in genuinely supporting t h c~ E~ f f o r· t s o f t h E:~ s E:~ p e o p l c~1 f r· om the area, their member for the ar·ea has jus ·t-. donr,:! substant.ial damage in getting up and criticizjng the Former Minister, the notAl Min:.i.ster · of r.ntE!r·gouc·H'I'llnE!ntal AFfai .rs, in attacking him in t:he tJ.Jay that he did, in Lhe par·l -is r:Hl I•JFtY i·hal~ I'll'! attacked a minister in the govpr·nrnf:'ni -.. ThHI". to go when getting h·is disl-r·ict. is noi­ things i· ~H~ 1£k1 y don~:! for Mf~. SPFAI<FR : _ Or·dPt", pl C'!i'..!Se!

Hc'!for·c-' rr,~cogn:i z:i 1'19 the. hon. i-hP I e r·1•l ~~ r· o F 1 h e 0 p p o s i I• i o n '" g •'l i n r nH .Ist · dr·aw a·l-tent .:i.on to hon . rnetnbc:: r·s i· h,.,:. i ~d ~; pt=! t i 'Lion -; ~; no I· ·j n Ol"dC;!l". Wl'>. h<'lUe had r·r:>.peatl=>.d tr·oublE!, as C.·1ll hon. rnHJnbi-:!Y'S knOill, "in pet.it::ions. A pef.:i.t::ion should bE! dc:lclrr~~ssed l~o !. h f-) Ho1.1se of Assc->.mbJy. I do not feel. uery L.844 Apr·i .l 15, 1988 Vol XI_ happy about bringing Lh is attention of hon. members.

SC\Y 1-.hi't~. t r·eal·ize that haue come through a l.ot of ~o the I will people trouble d n d ·i n c o n u en :i. f~ n c E! 1: o c o rn l;! h <-'! r' c~~ 1~. o the House to hear petiti~ns and it is ned·. l,ighl·ly that [ woul.d bt~ ·inq this rnat:t:er· to hon . mE!mbE!rS I but :. Lhr~~ fF.tc:i·. of ihr~ nJdLtPr' ·is th.:tl: . T am bound to do so because that is 1 n 1j j o b , I· 0 poi. n ·i~ o u1 ·: t• h d ·I~ t. h :i ~~ petition is not in order. This fH~i · i i· ion i ~; no L .Hldr·P.ssnd 1-.o the hon. Hous~ ..

It sr.lys, 11 We, t:hE'! 11 n r:l 0. r· '' j g n t:! rl , b e i n g r· C! :·; i cl f'! n ·i-s o F thE! Pr·ou·.i.nce of N~~t,l,]fcwnd1and and 1.:·\br·<'ldor·, do hc.~r'C!bl) l'rlr'tkr) pet ·i.i••oion to the han. MJn:i.stE!I'' of t .. hE! Depi·1r'l":lllnnl· oF Tr·r~n~;por·t,·~t.ion Fo 'r· t hE! P r· o v ·i n c e of 1\1 E'IAif o u n d] a n d . " So T JT111'>1• r·ulc! l·ht 't'i· lhe peLiLion i.s not: in ordE!r. TnE!mbE:'rs i. 1- ' by that lE!aVE! .is If han . diSCIISS m-atter, ·i.n ordr~~r·. but: this petition MR. SIMMS : Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Thlc' hon . thr -~ Pr·e!; ·Lcfen 1- Council. MR.

SIMMS : tJJant: to Hno t.:h~:!r is not of L• hE~ TF T rn<·liJ, no ·i·. i·o bpl,~tbot.tr·· Lh('! point or· anyt:h:i.ng I but t·:.h:i.s SE:!E~rns I"O occ11r' Fr·otn I· i1w~ l·o ·1···i1ne, q1.1 i l·e ft"E!qtH:'ntly, I arn not StH'E:'. MaybE' I he Oppo•; i l:·i on l·fou·;c I f''d!ICI" and T can get together and, I do not knOll) r'lbOIIi: ch;'lngr> Ul!~lll, bul ~ i:'d ' 1east if members foJJowed the same so11r'cP., tnayi:H~ go

h) i·I·Jr• C"l!"!r 'k or sorn~~thing just Lo makE• sur·e t.hal~ r'!lH~r·yi ·h'irlg ·i~; r·:ighl -, IAJe 1n-iqht ~;i ·•op this. Anyway, t..hat Js anothe1n f>r'Obl!;'Hl 1£Je l~ri 'll dHdl llJ-ilh i'lrlOf:".I·Hi!r' day. For this particular day we are No. l7 R8tl4

q u j t c-~ FH' C'! p a r· e d o n tl'd s s j d e t o Ftl .loiAJ i·he del:)c'lh) on l·hi·; paJ" ·l:i.cu]ar· pc,~t-.i.t'.ion to pr•oceE'!d, (~ S fl P. (. j r'lll

I) i n lJ ·j (!IJ,j 0 f i· hI~ f c'l C -(- ffla'[- thr:>r'C-'l ai"E~ pEwpl.e in the 9''1ller· ··ir:'!>, r·al ·hcr· l·hdn c:lnlr'IIJ l.·he r11e1'l"tc-:~1" any morE:'. We 1H'E:! quite pr'8flr'lred l·o do i"hi !; . Ml~. BARRY : On a point of ordel" I Mr·. SpeakE!r . MR. SPEAKFR: A point of member for Island. MR. B()RRY : ordE!r I Mount-: the hon. thE• Scio • Bell Mr. SpeakE:~r, this has come up on a r·egul ;u· basis, and 1--l·w Cr)l)E!r'nlnC'!ni--. HouSE!

Lt':!i'H:lE!r 1 s suggestion is good, ro I:H·ing i--hc.:! pE!I·i_t ·ions lo 1-:h~-:' Clerk or some single source to 1rli:-1 k r:! s 1.1 r· e ·i 1- -; !; i n o n:l r,~ r· b r:d=- o i" c presenting it to the House, pl"OlJidr ,~d -t--h;:~l~ some of lhr. pe t·.:i t-::i onei"S, sorne of thE:' TTIC'!ITibE·r·s IAJ h o s i g n e d i · h e o r· -; g i n r·l. 1 p e 1-· i 1··. i o n , ar·e pr·e-'lsent . But oftc->.n, as l:he C;ovcr'l'llllf!nl- 1-IOIISf:!

I C•'1Cic!r' knOll]!; ., llJC h1'lVE~ pr:-!-1.-.-i.t·i.ons seni' ·.in fi"OITI h 1.1 rl d I" f'! d <; 0 (' Jrl-i. 1 e !) r:·11AJi-11) r:Hl r:l 1: h f' ··inrLi.viduc~l.s !:ending them in are no ·l· r:-1 t"OII nc:l . :-)o T llJOul d t"l'!ci:nnrtlf'!l'ld lJI)r·y s i·r·ongl y t-o the,~ Gove->.rnrnE!n-l: House l..r:'adE•r t·~ht'll --_ cons icler·r :1t-- ion br'! g·iur'! l'l l:o i'ln amendment lo the rules of this House for petition s so that the SpE~aker can considE'!r it. in order ·I· o hear· any f o nn of co rmnu n i . c <:11 ~~ -;_on whjch js, in substance, a pE!-lition that., by --i_~·s nat~11r·e, ·is of concE=!r'n or of interE!St t.o mE!mbE!rS of the Hous,,~.

T L•.Joul d s I·Tongl y r·r~cornrnE!I·HJ that bE!cause IAJE! ar'E! going to conl ·--intH~ t·o havP 1-~his pr·obl .E!III. SOMF l-ION. MEMBFRS: Hear, hear! MR. SIMMS: I B IJ.1i ()pr·i·l :IS_ '19BB lJo] X I To that po:i.nt. of or·de "!r, Ml" . ~)~

H) i'\lu) r' MR . SPf.~Kf.R : To that point of ordr,H', t-he hon . 1: he P l" n !; :i d e n I o f I he Co 1 1 n c ·i 1 MR. SIMMS: Does the hon. L.E!ach>r· Oppos --il:·ion lll ·-i~;h 1--o hc'llJU a word along those lines? MR. WF.I .LS : Yes. MR. SIMMS: Go ahE:~ad. I IAJ i. l. l IAJa i. t. . MR . SPEAKER: Thr:• hon. t· hr'! l.r~dder· Opposition . MR. WELLS : of LhE! fur l·.h t:!r' of i".hE'! l j 1.1 s 1-. llli'Hl l.r~d that it is ·I o s ;·:1 y , M r· . S p e a k e I" , just an in sult to fH' 0 p l P. F (J r· II ~-, 1·. () c; (·'' p k I·() d p p 1 y 0 IJ r· r·ule:'s to their dl"afl:.Jng of a pr~i · i:- ·ion .

Thr~ pr·r!St'!nl·;:11 ··ion oF r'1 pet .oitjon to Hds HousE• is a t·irnc hnl'IOIIT'l'ci flT'dCi: j Cl' i--h; 'd~ lAIC'! have ->. had (,~Vl'~l" si ncE" lhE! He1u~;e ha ~:; r' >' :i ~; 1: r,, rl i n 1-h ·i s PI" o 1.1 --; n c e . 11\l E:• should not now be saying to Lhe fl(,'Opln c)F ' i·hi !; Prou ·incf'!, 1 YUI .II" petit.-ion cannot. be'! hE'!i'll"d- becau se 'i :·. i ~; nol : !; 1: t" ·i c I· 1 y s pI'~'" k --j n g , addl~esSE!d to thE! HousE! oF AssP111bl y . 1 Mo st-_ peopl f~ ·in 1--.h~:! Province think in ter ms of the govf:~r·n1n~)nl-: ;~nd 1-/lf:! r·esp ·ons ·ib ·i.l.i l:y of the government to respond.

The suggestjon of thE! hon . TTIE!mbe "!r for· Mount: S c :i o 8 e l 1. T s J d n d :i. s a good one. We should change our· r·ul.E!~; . T i··hink l::hc ,~ hon. Government House Leader is p r· r~ p ;u· P d i· o <:1 g r· Q P 1-o ·i i··. . I n ·1::/· _1 P meantime, we should now agree that dl'l pr'!l ·.-i1·:·ions 1--h,'ll~ c:'tr•r,' clE:~ar·ly intended to be a petition for pr·r'!'>C!nh:·li ··ion ·in lhn i·loiiSC'! 1-o a~;k l~h( '! goVE!rnmc"!nt.. to rE•spond t:.o ~-In 1 '7 f~ B 11-!)

something, be hear·d u nti 1 tAlE! put otJr OIAJn r·ule!; in or'dfH'. MR. S1MMS: Just to that point of order, Mr . Spc~1akE:H'. MR. SPE(li<FR: To t:hat point of order, the hon . ·HH~ Pr·Hsi dE:Hll~ of Hlf~ COIHlC n. MR . SJMMS : Nor to b~:~labotJr i:he fH) 'int :, t.•Je hatH~ ctl.r·eady indicated that we are q u i h~ pr•c p;u·r~~d ·i:o l P. 1: i· his c.k ba i:e utrr·y on. T th ·ink t.hE!r'e is one I riO r· r. S p ~~ ;:~ lu:~ i'' f t· OHI I· h ;;d· S i d f! i'lJ] OI~INI 01'1 l"h:i:. pE~t:i +:ion.

Then T II n c:l (-~I"~; 1. (·1 11 d HH' r.,-j tri ~; 1-r-:! r· () r Tt"i'H1Spol"1a+·i.on 1~1ouJd Jtke -t'() ask For· lc<~uc) I o con11nr-!t1l· For· d cottple of nd n11h~1s, bE~Cduse hE! d:i d not- gc->.t: ,,, n n p p or·: -,, n i i: y . r n <HI y c tJC• n t , ihc.d :is th:is par·t:lcular petition . '"1c,1 h;;we agrcf:1d on f:hal ·. Thai: is not · a pr·obl em. I L h ·i n k 1: h c,1 sttgg,:~si-.·i on oF thC'! membl::lr for Mount Scio Bl::!ll T s l. i:~ n d tAJr.l s an ex c E~ 1. J. ~=· n t-. onE~ , not specifically, no1..1.1, 1..1.1hat he had to say . T i'l.ITJ ned-: corniTIE!nl-.ing on that.

Bu ·t the idE!a of us looking i'li: and do-Lng sOJnpl- .hing to prc,1UF.!I1t: this from occurring again, because ··it SP.C'!IIIS 1-o happen almos 1-. r:1Ur:!r'y second day. So something is wrong uri. i: h l": h f'~ p r· o c c'• s s o r i .. h e p l" o c H cit 1 r c . Tn i'ldr.li .·l"i on. l:o I: hal·, T undel·'s'l".<Hld t hat t-· he S e 1 e c t Co mrrr.ii. t. r::1 e of t 11 e House ·l .. hdl· -i~; dei'lling t.dl ·h l"t .1le c:hr..1119E:!S dnd so on may, in fact:., br::' looking r'll' 1'hr·11: p; ·~ri ··iclllr'tr' ·i·lern .')~; Wfd .J.

So 1~1e may be ablE:' to dc->.al t~ri H1 i i. i n d 11 e co 11 r· s r-~ • i n •'11' 1 y nuc'!l1t" (l n y t~l<:t y , n o t t o I:H1 J a b o u r perhdps ,.,c ,,J'i ll 1"..:-1lu~ i I· it, tlndr'!l" haue adu:-isEHflNlt and maybe I tAdll. some,~ con\Jt'!r'Sal·i ons ,,ri l:h courit.erpr..lrts and s~~e if ·t.hc:~rE:' lfl .Y is 1 .. 8'1 -6 April 15, 1.91!8 Vol XI . anything we can do to resolve that par·l ~·icul<H' pr·oble:'rn so t.hal~ it does not continue to re-occur and put Your· Honour· in IAJhi.~t I knot•J is and has been an embarrassing s i l. 1.1 ell': i. o n , e s p c,H; :i. a 1.1 y .. i. f t: i·H'! r· (~ a r· e peoplE! in the GaLl.E!ry t.~.rho do not ftJlly undr'!r's1-.and t•Jhr.d: t•H~ arE· do i.ng dotAJn here.

I cannot real.ly bl.arno 1-:hmn trtr.lny h tnHs. So, hauing said that, lE!t. us J.eauo i1: ai: i·hai., T suggr.~s1-, f.-lnd geL on with this particular pet:-ition. MR. SPEAI<Ef~ : To thdi: po·inl: oF Ol"dc:~t", l·hor"c,~ ·is no po:i.nt of order. ThE! comnwrd:.s th.ll: I•J~I"c~ lfl<•ldr. c~r·r:~ CC!I"i:,'li .nly excel] ent. ones . It t•JOt.tl d mi'lke rny 1 ·i f e rntr c h changE>.d. r hr•l\JC:! I'll) the House. ~~i'tS "i et" ·iF I he J"t.t"l e~; '''' '~'"1 '.! W:Lth UHo! r·uJp a~; it ·i '', o pi · i u n , u n l e ~:. ::; by l 1'.' .-:'tv e SOME HON. MEMBERS: fly l.E~i~\JF.!. MR. WELLS: Mr . Speak<':1r . MR .

SPEAKER: The h,on. the 0 p p o s i 1: i on . MR . WELLS : LE!ader· Thank you, Mr. Speaker . of I r:'i SC-?. t:o in do·i nq cornrnents flon1-1wi :; l·.d support the petition so r: tAJr:tnl- ·l .. o r·eful -e of the-?. hon. mE!ITtbE!r' sou I· h ( rJJ r' . ~1 o t" g an ) . Lhe and t: hE! f"t~orn r 1: ·i ~; I h~ t' c-':~;pn ns ·i b i l i ·l·y oF t-:he members, particularly those Htcrrrber '~; on l·his ~; ·id:! of ·i·hr'!

Hou :;e , to pojnt out <:Hlcl expJa:in to Ull"! flllb 'l i c of I hi~ ;; Pr·owi ncr'! '"Jhy r'(H'tds <'.Ire not. paUE:'d or r·econst:.t"ucted :in pdrl -·icllliH' .-'lr'Cr't!; t•then t•JC~ l"ecr :~.iV(! petitions such as this. The p r:' o pl r. o F Hw d i s 1-. r· ·i ci o F F o r· 1:. u n e Her·mi tagl'>- should kno1.~o1 tA.Jhy thai: ~Jo . l 7 R84-6

ha~; not-- . bc~en att.ended to tl·1e same dS l·hrc! flr'!opl 1·:! in R<"~l.e i.gh ·in i·hn S ·1-. r· e:d l~ of BE:'] ] E:~ I s] E~ s h o u] d k n 01.1.1 '~Jhy l··h;'IL h<'l!> no ·l·. been done Tl­ doc -'s not :in any ITliH1ner· d:i.rrdnish ·I· hI ·) r: h •:1 n r: c~ •; 0 f i· h f~ pI" •'l ':} e I" 0 f I·· h r~ pcd :'i. i ion bEd ng an~;wer·ed, i i" doE:~s no I· rt t ,,, l 1 . .

T 'o· p r· o b db l ':J ·i n r: r 0 .:-1 !; 0. !; ·i ·1- b C'! c: au s E:~ :i t- c r· E! a l e s g r· E! at pol ·j l:i Ull d ·j !) C:OIIlfOY'i •'1~; i I· 01 .19h'l: to cr'C:'a ·I-E! pol :1 1-i cal dJ .s comfor·t for ITJI ,~ITiber·s on I: he gotJnrnrnen 1·. si 1ln of H1E~ House whE!n l:he public ar'E! made~~ i'11Aii'lr·e of just ·: lllhal -. hr:1~; bE!l'!rl happening and what . has been the r·ocord of lhr,~ gouer·nmE:!nl· in this regard ouer recent years. So not :ldng that the hon. member for· For ·l-un~::~ •. Her·rn"i.L•;tqP (l'-1r·.

Sj mrnons) said in any manner hurts or aduersely affects the pr0yer of thE'! pE!t.iLjon or· thE! chanCE!S of :it btc' i 1'19 6\l'lSIAJHrE!d. Mr·. SpeakE:~r, I arn happy to support <~Hid f~J'l"(~OI"Sr,~ t.hr,, pwl .. ·i l:·i on of I· he people of L.'itU .E! 'Hi'trbour· East and H ;:~ r b o u r M i l l e .

When one d r· ·i "e s ouer· those~ I"Oi'lds fr·om t:ime t.o t-.~irnE! ':JOI.I Cc'll'l SCI'! j115i· I•Jhi ·~'o· l·hr:' l"lf!CIJ ·j ~; J JJ<-n·t-i.cular·ly at· U1'.is t]mE~ of LhE! ':Jic'Rr c~nc:J ':JOII Co"'l"l SC I·~ j11sl· IAIJ1R·i: d r· ·.i. v E-! ~' p eo p J C'! to o c c a s :i o n i'1 J J y t a k E! dr•r :·lSI· ·ic sl -eps, as ocr:lll"red lc·l'>l: l~leE~k :in Har·l.J E:'t I 1 s Har·bour·. Mt" . Spc-!akc'!l", Sl;!ns·i 'o··i tJH 1-o b E:~ t-t e r· t o pc'!i-. ·i 1··.-i.ons. i:.h~i s onE~.

I~IE:~ I· he Lhe T ough-t Lo bE:~ morE! 1·1 C! r:! d s and r· ~~ s pond prayers af such hr'!i'lr·tily supporf· Thdnk you, Mr . Speaker . MR . DOYU': Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER : 0 r· d e r· , p l. e i'l s 1':~ ! D o e s Htr,~ h o n . Minister of Transportation Doyl r,~) hi~uc,~ l r,~i'llJe? 1~ hf.! (Mr. I B tJ. '7 ()pr ·il 'IS, 19B8 Vol X I. SOME HON. MEMBERS : By lr-~dlJC! MR. SIMMONS: Mr·. ~3peaker·, MR. SPEAKER: The hon. I h(.~ lilE!I'flber for fOI" l":tlnP Hc~!r·rn-itagc~. MR . SIMMONS: T c:1 1r1 q 1 1 ·i 1-.r~ p r· e p"' r 1" d I: o q ·i u e h i m leave because we want to hear from hi .tn.

Th1,~ po"inl ·: sho11ld be rni'tde though that leaue would not be r·r,~qtri.l"ftd iF 1-:hH 9l'tnl·:l.Emt<Hl for· Bonavista South (Mr. Morg<:ln) did not hog the pos"i.t"ion that the Minister of Transportation (Mr . Do y l (~ ) s h o Lil d h a u e h ;:•t d ·i. n t h o first place. SOME HON. MEMRERS : Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKfR: Order, ple.:-1sn! 01"der·, pl.oase! 'l'hP hon . I ltr. Mi n·i s I·J!t' oF Tr!:'lnsportatton . MR. DOYLE : Th.ul!< yo11, f.IJr· . Spt'!dknr . [ c:llfl lJ1~r·y pl Pr'l~;::!d i nri1·:·Hc:l and to respond Lo Lhe pr·nsen-1-.ed by l·ltr' hen.

Just fot" t.hE! benof:i. 'l ·:· 0 ~;I "" ij IHI petition rnHmber. of the d1'l (.~g.:1i· ion in H1r! c,,,l·l r;!I"':J 1~1ho rnay not fully understand whaL js h.:lppen ·i ng r'tnd 1~1hy ~~Je hat)c,~ l·o hd~Je leaVE!, under t~ho rules of t.hE:' H o u s e on l ':J on C'! rn f~ rn be r· f r· o, n I: h ··.i. s sido of t:.he House can rospond to a p c,~ t .. ; t: ·i. o n , u n l. l't s s ·1 E~ a ~J c,~ i. s g r· a n t: ~=~ cJ .

Mr· . 1 .. hat : d:i.d Speaker, I arn very pleased lr~~<:·llJP IAJC~S gr·anl· .od bE'!Ci::li .ISH I havE• t:he O·ppori:.unit:y and ti'w p l e ;:~ s 1.1 r· r,~ , of co u r s P , ULi ~; morn .i. n g at 9:00 o 1 clock t:o wol corne the dE!l.('!9d l····j on rr'OIII 1-li:·ll"l:)l)lll" M""i ll E~ and L'ittl.e Harbour East who went 1\Jo 1 7 R B W7

through a gr·ectt deal to get in here ~od~y . l believe they :indjcah~d to me they had to rise t.h ·i s rnor·n i ng solflP.IAJhr ,~t·(,~ dt'OLind /.:30 or 3:00a.m. to get in for a 9:00 llll·:H~t-i.ng.

So I am SUI"e Hii:'~Y IAJOIIl d want lo hear their concerns clt~dr'('~SSE:~d by InC:~ :-i.n d publ. ··ic fashion, even though, of coursE!, I ml:'!i: IAJ.i.t:h t.he d(:~l.~~gat"i.on a l. ·i l·:tl e bit earJ:ier, as I sajd, 9:00 o'clock H1-i.s morning and I~Jenf: ovE~r· their· probJ ems· in great detai1, so i.t me1y nol~ bP. nc ,~cP.~;sary For lnf:' i·.o r·espond j n any ·.· great deta:i J here l·:od,'ly, gilJC:!n 1-hc,~ fr1ci· i··h;~11 · ''JC h<·llJC'' al r·E~i'ldy tal ked about some of the probl r,1ms i".ho·l'i' l:hcy .;H'C expel"··i E'!nc:i.ng on an 1 J ld J ornEd:er· s l· r· r~ 1· c h o F r· o ,., d i n I· h i'l 1· "'r· c~ .-~ r-1 I" • ~·) p C! i·l k C! r• , b (·!for·'" , s (HI!e oF <·1::; T inclir:i:li·P.ri th E:! pr•obJ E:HTIS bE-ing ex per· i en c (:~ d on I· h .:·l ·i· i~ o "' rl i'1 r' c o f .'1. rni'J.inl ·enanCE! nattnn,,~ and due lo the c~lr'r't'!n ·i: ''Jr:1diJwr cond ··i L·i on!; i·Jld 'i· ''lf! hi-..Lir€:1.

Just. l.:o b(;! a little bit rncwe ~;pf:~c-i.fic ,,,boul: ·1-.hoir problems, especially the flooding pr ·obl('!IIIS 1-:hey TnE!I1-l: i.crned, Hll'! dE!pcn·t.m,~nt has experienCE!d very s P v e r e d r· i.-1 ·i nag ('! p r· o b l. e 1 n s i. n H1 Eli~ area because 'of the location of l.:he road i.i:self ;:1nd the fact thai-: it folJouJs along the shoreline in so1nE! ar'(:1i'l.S and e:~xtr'('!lnC:' fl .oorh ng occurs. TherE! is a tE!ndE!ncy for extr·e1n(~ fl ood-:i .ng a·l- this particular tjrne of year.

But as I ·i n d ·i. c d 1: r:~ d I· o ·1 .. h e d H 1 r,, g a t i o n 1-h i s morning, I dfTI onl.y t.oo pl.eased ''lhHn ''lhe 1'-.l ·ll'!Y' cond i. 1-i.ons pHr'lni 1- and when we do have our maintenance pr·ogr·;urunc "in pldcr,~ i:hr~i · I!JC ''Ji.ll bf:' djrecting our rna.-intenance people

h) h <·w c a l o o k '" i: HH' s c F 1 o o d i n g pr·obl ('!ms c1.nd ~:orne p:i p:i ng pr·nbJ EHns I·· h.~ I· nerc~d i·o be 1 oo k ::!c:l ,., f I C!t' l·o pr ·c-~~JC:Hl 'l t hdt flood:i ng :in the fu i""l.lt'e Mr·. Spc.~ct!<r:!t', b(:! undE~r·i·aken d m s 11 r· n 1: h <·1 1- ,,ri ll at some poinL w:it.hjn 1.8'1 -8 Apri .l JS, 1gsa Uol XI. the next month or so, uJhE!I1 tAle do hi'lvr:~ OIJr rnai ntf'!ncHlC E! progr· anliTie! undE!rway. Of course , the dE! 1 E~ gat ion i '' i. n r. r,1 r· e:~ s t: e d , 1-: o o , 'i. n t h E'! u p g r i:'\ d i n g of their road to a reasonable s tan dar· d .

A 1 o t·. of IAJO I" k has beE! n undertakE•n on that. par•ticular road o~Jr'!r i·:h1'! year·s. Jn ·l·.:h('! 'lctl:· .e 70s and early 80s, rny officials t.E !1l rrH'!, the rrH-u'l I.~Ja:; 11pgr·aded 1-o a reasonable standard, but t.~dthout a ci011b ·i , [ griP-S~;, i 1-. ha~ ; 90rl f'! ciOI.'JI'l since then because of the fact ; .. h a 1.. i -f: ·i !; <:·l g r· ,,, v r,1l r· o i~l d d n cl requires some E!Xt(,>rls "i.vE :• rnr.~··inl·nnrlncc ''Jor ·k l:o be! rlndel"l ·:;'J.I<r.:!n rJght now. I talked £o my orr i ci i-l J ~' ul'i ~:. m a t. I E! I'' of fa c t: , ;~ I.

I. i·w d :': p r:: I , qtJ:ite a gr·eat lll• 'll-. "' r··i ·'·t J n e P. d !; ·the surfaCE! ilopcf~1l.ly, l"hr·ll · sclid, in the fltl ·:urc . 1nor·n -Lnq, ···1s ;:'1 out j n t.ha+ : ar ·eD , l~lhO h ::'lrl Ill!'! H l.:'ti• dE•aJ of gl "iHllJ] a r· -:-· o b c: p 1 a c c· d o u t: r· of t.he r·oad . I'J 'i. ·11 no+: br,~ donr'!, d s I too d:ist: .an t. As T said .:1 rnorrl:'!l'l r. ago, tJ.Jhrc•n T i'liTI responding to a petition I ]ike to keep pol ·it-.ics out of .i ~·, Mr ·. Speaker, but just to reitera te I)J h i'\ 1-. rn y c o ll.

P a g 1 1 e s a i d :i n responding to this petiU .on, ju st. in Ci'l.Sr'! l·here rn:ighi ·. be ~;niTlE! doubt :. as to the amou n l: of fu nd:i ng that hi'lS gonP t n~ ·o l"hi'lt·. par•ti .cul .ar district ever since this adiT I'i wi s l:r·.:-~t ion l··ook o-ff i cr,,, i''lrlci back in 1972 when the previous "'c:l ru-i n-i s t r· ,,, i · ·i o n ·(·· o o k o f F ·i c e , T do have figures that in<Hcal· .e t.ha t. a l·.ol :,'ll of $3'7 ul'ill ·ion hd~ ; bet=:n spE!nt in that d:istri.ct, bolh f>r'OlJ i nr: i r~l .:~nd f, ~der .~l won i cs, no i·: on J y on r· o ad s but on o t her !; e r lJ i r: (! :; • ,.t n d c: n f n I" r· y :; e r· u ·i c r! s •''\ ~; weJJ, oue~ t~e years sjnce· '197?. '71, .-1nd l·h, :·li· i·; '''~ subs ·i··anl ··.i.<·ll amount of rnonf:~Y.

But. not. t.o takE! <:·lbJay, <~g.:dn, Fi"OI'rl lhe pi"Ob-lt-=!lrl 1-:.h< ·~tl· . the delegatjon has placed before No . 1 7 r~Bl~B

me this morning, as I said, a lot of i r. ·is of r:·\ rrli'l in t-. E'! nr.,, ncr;! nr.\ 1·. u r·r,~ and hopefully our maintenance r:r'P.IAJS 1!1 i 1.1 be liiObi.l·i 7.Cc~d IAJ"i Hli n in 't-he nc,1xt month CH' month and a half •'HlC~ I Ali 11 S-[: i~ r• 1·: {: 0 II 1'1 d

C) t' 1:;;) k C:: i· h 0. i r• pl"ograrnnH~!, 1~1h:i ch 1..r..d l J aJ l ~1viate a 1 o I· of Hw s e p r· o b 1 c Hh o n (:!! r· i~\lJ c 1 r·ondr. r·:ight C\cross thr::~ Pr·ovn cr:'. r h <:HI k y

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f) r· . Orders of the Day MfL SIMMS :· Mt". Spr:O!akcc1r, beforr:1 pr·oceeding to t:J·w r.llePch l.i'\kc debaLe I I~JOI.I l d l.·i!<P to move first reading of those l~hrl'!C c1 1nol ·:ions on l··he 'l.dsl- p;:~ge. Motion 4 . Mo t-.'i.on, ·i·:I'H:1 hon. l·:hE:1 Minis 1-E!r' of Energy to i~troduce a bill, "An Thr,~ Atlantic (let To AmHnd Canada-Newfoundland Accor·d Impl.f'!Tlltc!nh::ti : ion (Nr::~1.r..1f ou ndl.and) (Fh .ll 1\Jo . 3?) . Act:," carriE!d. On mot~on, ~ill 1\Jo . l? f-i r· s I. time, .or·dered read i· i ITlf~ 01'1 h)JflOr'r'OI•J .

MR . ~:)Tl'-1MS : Moloion r.. r· C:! ,., r:l ,,, a second r·1oi-ion. ihc hen . !·he 1'-1 -irl' j!; lr!r' oF .Tust·.-i c:e to in·t-r·odtlU! a b:i11, "An (lei : To l)lflend Ccri ·cli n l)cl-~ ; lii·w ·ing Rr:1gi'.1rd To ThE~ C<:-:tnadir.Hl Char·tE!r Or ~~ i ghts lind Fr·~H'dorns, C:dl"r' i ed . (Ri .J1 No .33) . On motion, B.il1 No. 33 read a F-i.r·st . 1::.-i.me:~, <H'dFH'ed r'Pdd a sPcond time on tomorrow. MR. SIMMS: Motion 5. Mo +: ·i. on , 1:. h ,,, h on . i·: h t'! M i n i s +· e r· oF I 8 4-9 Apdl lS, 1.988 Vo1 XL Consumer Affairs and CoJrlliiJJrl'ic:.:-~1-:-ions 1--o in-1-·J"oducP a .- b-:111, 11

An Act Respect. .-.-ing ThE~ P 1.1 r· c h i'l !; ·i n 9 r.11 i-\ n i'l g "' rn ''! n i: A s s o c "i. d 1:. :'i. o n of Canada , 11 carried . ( B -.i. J J No ._ 3 0) On mot:J.on, B-.i.1.1 No. (30) rE•ad a s ~~co nd F-i.r·s I" I ·i 1ne. orc:lnr·r~c:l r·p;·HI i•\ time on tomorrow. r~ f~ . S T Mr'IS : WE:~ t..r..ri. lJ moue not..r..J to Motion 3, I~~ h · i c h i !) I: h f! ~1 P e c h I ''1 k r,1 Jrl 0 (·: -L o n . MR. SPEAKER: Motion l. ThE! han. thE! rrtE!rnbE!r for Bonavi s l:.a So111 .. h c1djournHd l·.hc ·) cleb;:-:~l:e . Thr-:! hon. l,:hr-:· J'rl('!rnbHr' for· Bonau i.~ ; t-.a South . MR. MOI~GAN: Mr.

SpeakE!r, it is d:ifficult. l:o rt!Ci'111 . IAJh<~, -; .. _ T hi'·\d to Si:l Y last: day, 1/JhE!n I adj ourm•d the debatE• . I st. ,lnd i·o bE:1 C:OI'Tr:>cted, bul. : l::hc,~r·e are twenty m-.-inutas lef~ of my t.irne? MR. SPFAKER : Or·r:lcr ·, plF! ase! i'h r~ bon lflf!lli!JCI" hf'l!) 'i:I1J: =!n 1--y -·Four· orinutes Jef-l. MR. MORGAN : T h. :~nk yo11 , ~~r Sf>r- )r: ~l<r:!l" . I Udnk, fJr·s L of a] -.1, Ml".

Spl-! rl k e r, i I· ·i •; "i ITlp<H ' ~:,. .-, 111-: 1-o emphasize the importance of this dPbdl ·e , I he' "irnpor·t ·_;·~ ncH oF I~Jhal~ I.A.Jt' are taJ.king about, how important i I· ·i s I· o L h i s P l" o v i . n c E:t oF Newfoundland . It is a topic of d i. s c us s i on n CHAJ a .l 1 a c r· o s s Can d cl a not j us t in N et..r..lf o u n d 1 and . I t h :ink it is UHry Jrnportant 1o always havE~ clarified thE! positions t.akE!n by respective parties, especially parties tiJhich have mE~rnbers in l.eg i sl ,,,.1-.ures, or· lissembl i es, or· No . 17 R84-9

P<'lrl ·ir.llflt,Hll·-~; ··in Cdnddr'l, becr~ll~;c ·t hEH'e :i.s consi derabl.e debate. I l:hink ii ·. ·is v, :~r·y iJnporl-.<~ni' l:o al!J..Jays stre:~ss the factual ·infor'Jnr.t1:i.on p1.11- For11Ji:H'd by n~spectjve par"t.:i_E!S. I did not r· c,~ ad 1..11 h ''1 i~ I had t. o s ''' y rn y s c,~ 1. f , a n d I do not want to in any way Jn-isconsl·:ruE! anyLhing t-l'w hon. t.hr,~ Leader of the Opposition said, so T. h;~we hP.re :in fr·ont of rne l·:he Hansard containing the speech made b y 1: h e l. e ad "~ r of 1: h ,,~ 0 p p o s i. I~ i. o n .

I want to be very pertinent to the :i. ssuf:~ and l:o i·I·H,~ facl ~l.lr'll position 1-i'·-tken by lhe L.i beral Pc-lrty, by the I. ·; I:H'! r· n l l.t'! <:l d f:' r· .

U· -j s cl ,,~rH' 'l:o rn,,, rHlri cl ,,~r'~r l:o' T [-J,-j nk, rnt'!ITibC:'Ins of the HousE~ of ASSIC\fTibly, dl'ld r l·hink ·i·o l·h,:~ 1:;c-wple of Nt=>.t.ufouncl]i:trld, :if h·:i .s COHIIfiC:~ni ~; IJ.JI:~r ·c Cni~r· i eli i·J·w c':ur.jh I h:~ p I" e s ~; , t h a t 1: h e L c-~ a d e r· of t h E~ Oppo~;it ··iorl ·i!; ·indc:~f:'d no111, on bE-!half of his piH'ty, <-.~dvocat'.i.ng a f'lOsition 1--h,d: l·hr. 1-il·wt't'tl P<-n··ty oF 1\lf-!lklfoundliHld -.is notAl ver·y s i·r·r,~nllously opposnr:l l:c .:-l IAJe<~kr~ncd fPdHJnaJ govE-~r·nmE~nt .

Any a.C'l "'ion I· a k f'! n 1.1 n d u r 1-: h !"! r.IJ t'! f! c h I '" k c :') c c o I" d ,,,hj ch '"Ji l J t.ur,,akr~n the fE!dE!ral g o v t'! r' n rn P n. I· , t he I. ·i. b H r' <·l "I P ~ t' ·l~ y o f Net.ufoundJand i!; indeed opposed to that-:, IJ.Jh i 1 ,,~ at-: L he ,~ s atn,,~ · t itne b<-Li . ng opposed to any strengthening of t.: h H p r· o v in C'i a 1 q o v r,, r· n rn EHl I: s ·i n Canada and their posjtions.

I can quote from H0nsard the position takE!n by the LE!ader of the Opposltion. tn Fact I will do l..hat right. no1"1 to makE• surE! there is no rrl"i.sr'f'!PI"C'!~>Pnl::<.·lL ·ion of L h,,~ fc.tcts. On the Seni'~tf~ -..issue --- that is one of four· ·1-opics T 11Janl-. l:o disc1155 T quoi E:! the Leadc:'r of -Lh<-'! Oppos i 1-i on: "p;~1-r-c:ndgf:! i ~; I•Wong, tllhoc-:!VE!I" Pl"acl·:-icr-~s . :it" -- l~hat js <'ll'l ·j 1'1 l·r~Y'CS [· i ng COIIIHIF!I'li ' 11 0t' tllh:ichE:'Vf"r' govc'!Y'rtrTIE:~nt. pr·act:i.ces ·i 1- . ~"I'! c <·l n no I· be n ~; ~; u r· 0. d o r' I.

BSO ()pr·:il lS, 1988 Vol XI h r:~ lJ i n g ·i n 1'1-10. S e rli'' l: e 1· h o pH o p 1 H who w:i 11 protE!Ct the inter·ests :of U1 .,, 1~1 h o 1 e P r c)l) ·i n u~ i r l: h e y a r· e appointed by the government for pol. i.·l:'i c;:~l r·r,!i~sons " Noi•J, l:.hc-11 -. is clear·ly outlining thE! position of thC:~ l.i.be:~r'r·ll P<·lr' ·l:y, _i~hr'o119h i".he leader, on appoint.ITIE!nts to ·t.hE! S c,~ nat,,~ .

B u t t h :~ fa c t-: i s -1:: h a l~ t he Government of Canada, undE!r this Accord, have i'tl r·er.~dy conf'i.r·rned the position that they tAr.ill give t:.hE! provinces a right l:o have a say on any appointrnE!nts to Senate. And to <.·ldd ~-o l"hi'li·, and it .i!> . all ty:i ng in, they tArilJ go furl.hE!r clnd 1 o o k <'1 -t- S <-~ n ,:·l 1-. c,~ r· P f o I" rn .

So ··i. 1- ·i s not just the end of things by say ·i ng l·o I l'lf' PrOlJ·i ncc,~s, 'V.In r.u·r:! going t:o giVE! you nol>~l Lhe r·:ight to h<'l lJ C! <·l s ,., y in ,,, ppo ·i n+·nl!:! n I s I o 1·: hH s e n at e , ' j l:. j s , a t. til E! s C'l m E• t .i ITl n , H11 ·~ b 0. <.] -i. n rl'i n g ') F' F 11 r· l l1 C! I" d-.iscussion and debate on Senate r·ni- Or'lfl T:n r,'lCI., onP of I hn '!-:f'!l"lliS of thE!

Constitutoional C:onfPr'E!I'lCE!S, bng ·inrl"ing H1 ·i~; yc,u· ·in 'lc;JBB, i~ ; not just on thE! rnattet"~' tAle w:i J] d ·i s r: us s 1 <·1 ·1--c 1···., I· h ~~ ;--:-·i s hI·'! r i n s r· o ·1 c~ s and responsibilities, buL is on !')<-~ni'lh-~ r·efor·rn. ::)o n':)I•J I.U-' knntAJ the position of LhE! L."ibE!ral Party i n 1\1 n IAJf o 1 1 n d 1 r:t n d o n i· h El r o n r=! i s s 1 1 E! , on Senate reform. Let mE! go a littlE! b:i t FurthE·r on h·is cormnenl--ing on l".~H,~ SrJprerne Cou r·t .

For example, the quotation from Hansard - !".his is t-he offic ial document of the House of AsSE!rnbly i'll'l d T 1110 u 1 d d s ~; 11 rrH,~ HHH' t'! ·i s no question now of the official p o s i 1: ·i o n Hlf) I i b l'!r' "' I P ;a· 1': y " R u t it also provides that LhE! jud~Jr :'S rH'(! l·o be i'·lflfH :l'i n 1--ud Fr'c 'J)(J 1