Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 6 December 2004 (45th General Assembly, 1st Session, Vol. XLV No. 52)

2004-12-06

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 6 December 2004 (45th General Assembly, 1st Session, Vol. XLV No. 52)

2004-12-06

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

December 6, 2004 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

PROCEEDINGS Vol. XLV No. 52

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Hodder): Order, please!

Admit strangers.

This afternoon we are very pleased to welcome some distinguished visitors to

the Speaker's gallery. We wish to welcome the following persons: William

Andersen III, a former member of this House and President of the Labrador Inuit

Association.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Tony Andersen, Vice-President of the Labrador Inuit

Association.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Toby Andersen, Director of Land Claims, Labrador Inuit

Association.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Gus Dicker, Director, Labrador Inuit Association.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Ben Ponniuk, Director, Labrador Inuit Association.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Zippie Nochasak, Director, Labrador Inuit Association.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: I am also pleased to welcome Jim MacKenzie the chief

Agreement.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Senator William Rompkey, together with his wife Carolyn.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: In the galleries as well, we have a fifteen member

delegation of the Labrador Inuit Association and also, I do believe, we have

some members from other groups in Labrador, including the Metis.

Welcome to our House.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: This afternoon we have members' statements in the

following order: the hon. the Member for the District of Carbonear-Harbour

Grace; the hon. the Member for the District of Port au Port; the hon. the Member

for the District of Bellevue; the hon. the Member for the District of Bonavista

North; the hon. the Member for the District of Grand Falls-Buchans.

The hon. the Member for Carbonear-Harbour Grace.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SWEENEY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to recognize a truly exceptional volunteer fire department from

my district.

Mr. Speaker, the Harbour Grace Volunteer Fire Department recently held its

Annual Firefighter's Ball at the Harbour Breeze Lounge in Harbour Grace. This

was an opportunity for the over 150 volunteer firefighters, junior firefighters,

and the ladies auxiliary to come together to pay tribute to the men and women

who volunteer their time to ensure the safety of the Harbour Grace region.

Mr. Speaker, it was also pointed out at this dinner that the Harbour Grace

Volunteer Fire Department, which was founded in 1830, will next year celebrate

its 175 th Anniversary. It also remains the oldest volunteer fire

department in the Province.

Mr. Speaker, fire prevention is another way in which the department helps to

keep the community safe. Due to their efforts in fire prevention, the town has

continued to see decreases in the number of fires year after year. This past

year the brigade responded to forty-six calls, a decrease of twenty calls. Mr.

Speaker, this is indeed tremendous work.

Mr. Speaker, two students were also provided with scholarships at this event.

Tara Snow of Harbour Grace was this year's winner of the $500 Harbour Grace

Volunteer Fire Brigade Scholarship. Tara is currently a student at Memorial.

Bradley Hunt accepted the Charles G. Pitcher Scholarship from the Newfoundland

and Labrador Association of Fire Chiefs and Fire Fighters. Bradley is a student

at the College of the North Atlantic.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this hon. House to join me in honouring all

members of this Province's oldest volunteer fire department, the Harbour Grace

Volunteer Fire Department.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port au Port.

MR. J. HODDER: Mr. Speaker, I rise to pay tribute to Mrs. Anastasia

Lainey, who passed away at the age of 103 years, on November 24 of this year.

She was a wonderful lady who had twenty-nine grandchildren, fifty-one

great-grandchildren, and twenty-three great-great-grandchildren. She was born in

Mainland-La Grande Terre (in French) on July 21, 1901 and has lived there ever

since. Her husband, Louis, died in his forties, leaving her with eleven

children, the youngest being four years of age, to raise on her own.

Mr. Speaker, she was much revered in her community. She was known to all as

"Nana" and she served the area as a midwife for twenty-five years

delivering a total of 202 children.

I attended the funeral in Mainland, in their new church. They had a wonderful

life. The residents of the community will miss her, as well as her three

surviving children: Norman, with whom she lived, and her daughters Agnes Moores

and Mercedes Hinks.

She was indeed a mother to the whole community and she will be deeply missed

by all.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bellevue.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BARRETT: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to honour two constituents of mine

who exemplify the words dedication, caring and commitment.

Mr. Speaker, Clayton and Laura Johnson celebrated their seventieth wedding

anniversary on November 16, 2004. Mr. Speaker, they were married at Jacques

Fontaine in 1934 and have remained committed together since that time.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. and Mrs. Johnson have four children, ten grandchildren and

fourteen great-grandchildren. Many were happy to join them as they celebrated

their anniversary at the Blue Crest Seniors Home where they currently reside.

Mr. Speaker, the dedication that Mr. and Mrs. Johnson have shown to each

other is tremendous, and is truly a testament to the celebration of marriage.

They are truly an example of the spirit of sharing love and togetherness, and

I wish today that they continue to show their love for another seventy years.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this hon. House to join me in

congratulating Mr. and Mrs. Clayton Johnson of Jacques Fontaine on their

seventieth wedding anniversary.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bonavista North.

MR. HARDING: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Last week, Hockey Canada officially announced the roster of Team Atlantic for

the World Under Seventeen Hockey Challenge. The event will take place in

Lethbridge, Alberta, from December 29, 2004 to January 4, 2005. This year, Team

Atlantic will boast six players from Newfoundland and Labrador.

While I congratulate each of these outstanding young men, I would like to

make special reference to Sam Hounsell of Pound Cove, New-Wes-Valley. Making

this team is a great accomplishment for any young player, but when the player is

from a community the size of Pound Cove it is certainly an achievement worthy of

recognition.

The Under Seventeen Hockey Challenge is the first step in Hockey Canada's

Program of Excellence. This program identifies potential prospects for the Under

Eighteen and World Junior teams, and achieving success at this level of sport is

an admirable feat that should not go unnoticed.

Sam began his playing career in the Beothic Minor Hockey system in

New-West-Valley. When he was just thirteen years old, he played as a regular

with his high school team. He also played in the Central Triple A League in

Grand Falls and the Tri-Pen Triple A League in Harbour Grace where he was

classified as one of that league's top defencemen.

Sam's success is due in large part to the tremendous commitment of his

parents, Roland and Beverly Hounsell. Realizing Sam's talent at an early age,

they made every effort to foster his development and provide opportunities that

would enable him to achieve his goals. Never losing sight of the larger picture,

they were always conscious of instilling in their son values that would allow

him to face all opportunities with a sense of maturity and strength. Now, his

success is a reflection of their devotion and hard work.

Sam is currently living and attending school in Victoriaville, Quebec. He is

now an under aged junior defenceman playing for the Victoriaville Tigers of the

Quebec Major Junior Hockey League. The demands associated with playing hockey at

this level are great. Young players must train, travel and, of course, many are

forced to move away from home and loved ones.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's time has expired.

Does the hon. member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MR. HARDING: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Despite all of this, Sam continues to be a straight A high school student. He

is an ambassador for his team, his community and this Province. He is someone

whom we should all be proud of. This exceptional young man is living proof that

with talent, hard work and a positive attitude, anything is possible. Sam should

serve as an example for us all.

Mr. Speaker, I would ask all members of this House to join with me in

offering congratulations to Sam Hounsell and wish him, and his team, the best of

luck in the upcoming World Hockey Tournament.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans.

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to recognize a constituent of mine who has recently been

acknowledged for his accomplishments in the field of music.

Mr. Speaker, Michael Snelgrove, a resident of Grand Falls-Windsor and music

teacher at Exploits Valley High School, was recently admitted, on his first

attempt, as an Associate Composer to the prestigious Canadian Music Centre.

Acceptance as an associate composer to the Canadian Music Centre involves a

rigorous screening process to which Mr. Snelgrove can attest. Very rarely has

anyone been admitted on their first attempt and according to Mr. Snelgrove, he

has attained his greatest musical achievement.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Snelgrove is only the second resident of our Province to

ever achieve this honour.

Mr. Speaker, there is more good news. Mr. Snelgrove has also been selected as

the winner of the Centennial Song Contest held by the Town of Grand

Falls-Windsor. His song, Celebrate 100 Years , will become the

theme song for the town over the next year, when Grand Falls-Windsor celebrates

100 years. Celebrations are planned throughout 2005 and I encourage everyone to

come and join in the festivities. It will truly be a memorable year.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this hon. House to join me in

congratulating Mr. Michael Snelgrove on his accomplishments and extend to him

sincere best wishes for his continued success.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Statements by Ministers.

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Government Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS WHALEN: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognize December 6 as the

National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women. Established in

1991 by the Parliament of Canada, this day coincides with the sad anniversary of

the death of fourteen young women who were tragically killed on December 6, 1989

at L'Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal. These women were targeted because they

were women and had chosen to study engineering, a field traditionally dominated

by men.

The Women's Policy Office is often asked why they focus on violence against

women when violence against anyone is unacceptable. However, women represent the

majority of sexual assault victims and spousal assaults experienced by women

tend to be more severe overall, more frequent and cause more serious physical

injury and psychological harm.

Violations against woman can take many forms. The most common categories are

psychological violence, physical violence, sexual violence, and financial or

economic abuse and spiritual abuse. The consequences of this violence and abuse

are dealt with by both the women and society in general. Including health care

costs, policing, legal fees, imprisonment, lost earnings and psychological

costs, violence against women costs an estimated $1.2 billion annually. Health

Canada calculates a cost of $1.1 billion just for the direct medical costs of

violence against women.

It is worth noting, the Women's Policy Office also oversees the Violence

Prevention Initiative, a government-community partnership to develop and

implement long-term solutions to the problem of violence against those most at

risk in our society. These include women, children, the elderly and others who

are victims of violence because of their race, ability, ethnic background,

sexual orientation or economic status.

By collaborating with community partners, government continues to work

towards reducing violence, improving the coordination and delivery of government

services and programs for victims and enhancing violence prevention initiatives

at the community level.

Mr. Speaker, today is a day to think about those who live each day with the

threat of violence. It is also a time to reflect on the concrete actions that we

as a government and that each individual can take to prevent and eliminate

violence against women. As a memorial to these fourteen young women, and to all

those who have lost their lives to violence, the flags outside of Confederation

Building will be flown at half mast.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the minister for an

advanced copy of her statement.

Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, violence against women is still very prevalent in

our society today and we all have a responsibility to take action against

violence in our communities, in our homes, and in our Province. There are many

women and children who are still inflicted with violence. We have to ensure that

we provide a safe haven for these people and provide the safety and the programs

that they need to be able to make that transition as a victim back into society.

Mr. Speaker, the Montreal massacre is a sad reminder to all of us of the

hatred that is sometimes fostered and the violence that is sometimes fostered

against women. I think that we, as a government and as a Province, have to

continue to fund the violence prevention initiatives that we have in our society

today, to ensure that we have the safety and the peacefulness that is warranted

to all of our women and all of our children, who have to suffer every day at the

hands of violence in our society.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to rise to say a few words in response to the ministerial

statement today concerning the fifteenth anniversary of December 6, the Montreal

Massacre, the fourteen women who were killed simply because they were women and

women studying in a non-traditional female profession, the dreams and their

futures cut short for them and their families, Mr. Speaker, on that day.

I want to ask the minister: How much have things changed since 1989 when in

Quebec alone, between 1995 and 2000, ninety-five women were murdered by a spouse

or ex-spouse?

It is very troubling also, Mr. Speaker, to know that 80 per cent of the

legislators in this country are male, and yet we have failed to find a solution

to what is largely a problem for all of us in this society. In our own Province,

during the year 2001 - the latest stats I could find, Mr. Speaker - shelters in

our Province received 3,907 calls directly related to the abuse of which 1,282

women and children were admitted to shelters.

As a society, Mr. Speaker, we have to set the tone to wipe out such abuse.

When we look today and see women's roles still defined as traditional, when we

see women being paid less than their male counterparts, it is very disturbing

when we see our courts allow governments to violate women's rights because of

fiscal conditions. I think it is a wake up call to all, Mr. Speaker, just how

much more needs to be done.

Tonight in my district, Mr. Speaker, there is a vigil to take place organized

by the Labrador West Status of Women and the Hope Haven Crisis Shelter, 7:00

p.m. at the Carol United Church to honor and pay tribute to those who lost their

lives on December 6, 1989, but also, Mr. Speaker, to remind people how much work

is needed to still be completed in removing abuse from our society.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: Further Statements by Ministers.

The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to address the serious issue of tobacco use in

Newfoundland and Labrador, as it continues to be the leading cause of

preventable illness and death in our country.

More than 45,000 people will die prematurely this year in Canada due to

tobacco use and at least 1,000 of them will be non-smokers exposed to

second-hand smoke. This year in our Province, 112 deaths will be attributed to

the effects of second-hand smoke. This year, second-hand smoke will result in

784 hospitalizations and cost our health care system some $11.9 million.

In 1994, through the Smoke-Free Environment Act, smoking was banned in public

places such as daycares, schools, hospitals and recreational facilities.

Incremental progress has been made since 1994 to expand our smoke-free spaces to

include restaurants, shopping malls and libraries, just to name a few.

A decade later, the time has come to launch a more aggressive attack on the

fight against tobacco and preventable illness. This fall, organizations such as

the Newfoundland and Labrador Medical Association, the Federation of

Municipalities, Alliance for the Control of Tobacco, and the provincial Cancer

Society have all said the time has come for a smoke-free Province.

Municipalities including the Cities of St. John's and Mount Pearl and other

municipalities in the Northeast Avalon have also endorsed the move to ban

smoking in the last remaining public smoking places - bars and bingo halls. In

addition, we have heard from over 120 private citizens in support of a

smoke-free Province.

Your government has heard you and has listened. Today, Mr. Speaker, I am

announcing our government's commitment to, "Shutting the Last Door on

Second-Hand Smoke". Our government is moving forward with a smoking ban in

bars and bingo halls, and will introduce legislation to create a 100 per cent

smoke-free Province in all indoor public places and workplaces as early as the

Spring of 2005.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Beginning in January, there will be consultations which

will allow individuals and organizations to offer their perspective and provide

input on the best approach to achieve our goal. Consultations will also assist

government in determining target dates for implementation.

As a result of further smoke-free legislation, we hope to continuously

improve the health and wellness of the people in our Province, and to offer more

protection for our hospitality workers who are routinely exposed to the harmful

effects of second-hand smoke.

It is my hope, Mr. Speaker, that all members of the House will endorse the

leadership government has demonstrated today and work with us toward a

healthier, smoke-free Newfoundland and Labrador.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to congratulate my hon. colleague across the House, Mr. Speaker.

This is indeed a good move for government and a good move for the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador. There has been a long time lobby for the Alliance for

the Control of Tobacco in our Province, and that lobby has been joined and

supported by a lot of voices from around Newfoundland and Labrador, including

the Federation of Municipalities, the Federation of Labour, and many others.

As well, I, myself, brought a resolution, a private member's resolution, to

the floor of the House of Assembly in this session asking for the government to

look at this particular legislation and to implement it in our Province. I am

pleased to see that they are responding.

I am also pleased, Mr. Speaker, that they will take an approach of

consultation, because over the last number of weeks in this Legislature we have

asked the government to look at consultation with regards to the FPI Act, and to

look at consultation with regard to the snowmobile legislation that is presently

before the House. We have not seen the consultation, we have not see a select

committee of the House, so I am pleased that the minister is prepared to consult

on this particular issue, but I am even more pleased, Mr. Speaker, to see that

government is intended and willing to move towards a smoke-free Newfoundland and

Labrador for the protection of our citizens and those who are harmed every day

by second-hand smoke.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MR. HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We, too, are very pleased to see that government has adopted this policy and

made the commitment for a smoke-free Newfoundland and Labrador. I congratulate

them on doing so, but I have to recognize, of course, that is a commitment that

they were not prepared to make when directly asked to do so by the Newfoundland

and Labrador Medical Association in the last election.

I am very glad that they have listened to what people have had to say, and

responded to the lobby by the Newfoundland and Labrador Medical Association, by

the Alliance for the Control of Tobacco, and by the very positive and important

lobby and effort by the Newfoundland and Labrador Federation of Municipalities,

who took up this challenge individually and collectively.

I think it is a very, very important step. It is going to provide for

significant public health protection for people who are exposed to second-hand

smoke in public places, but also, and just as significantly, Mr. Speaker, for

the occupational health and safety of those people, those workers, in these

place who have been, for many, many years, subject to second-hand smoke. Given

the number of deaths that the minister has talked about, the 112 deaths

attributed to the effects of second-hand smoke, and the 784 hospitalizations,

this is a policy that is long over -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The time allocated to the hon. member has expired.

Does the member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MR. HARRIS: Given the 112 deaths that the Minister of Health has

acknowledged would be related and attributed to the effects of second-hand smoke

in this Province this year, and the 784 hospitalizations, this is a piece of

policy, and hopefully legislation very quickly, that is long overdue in

Newfoundland and Labrador. We support it fully.

MR. SPEAKER: Further statements by ministers. Oral Questions.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, today is a very historic occasion for the Labrador Inuit

Association as their Land Claims Agreement comes before this House of Assembly.

Unfortunately, in advance of a most significant debate of the LIA Land Claims

Agreement, the legislation was not tabled in this House, and on Friday afternoon

we had to go ask for a copy of the legislation, this legislation with its

seventy clauses and not inconsequential, as you can see, so we could prepare for

the debate today.

The Premier brought forward the openness and transparency act on Thursday of

last week, and I ask: Why is he not providing the elected members of this House

with legislation on a timely basis before it is introduced and debated in this

House of Assembly?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I spoke to the Opposition House Leader about this, this morning.

The process is very simple. When first reading is introduced - and we read first

reading on Thursday - there has been no attempt, and I want to repeat, no

attempt by government, whatsoever, no instructions have ever been issued, nor

would they be issued about when to table bills. The fact that a process is in

place, that when a bill is read the first time the legislation is normally

tabled. So, the question that the Leader of the Opposition has asked, from its

premise, is fundamentally wrong, because he has assumed that the Premier is not

providing legislation. That is, fundamentally, not the case. I will say, and I

think, that we have had a very good relationship in providing legislation.

For example, last week we were scheduled to discuss the Transparency and

Accountability Act, and it came to my attention that the bill was not tabled at

an appropriate time. What did we do? We delayed the debate until some time after

until everyone had the opportunity to discuss it. So, there has been no attempt

by this government to not table legislation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Most members of the Legislature are seeing this document, for the first time,

as they sit right now.

Mr. Speaker, on Thursday morning past this government made public their

openness and transparency legislation at a media briefing and our members were

asked to comment on legislation they had never seen and never reviewed. It is

ironic, this government says they are going to try to be open and accountable

and then they do not provide advanced copies of legislation for Opposition

members and others to research.

I ask the Premier, again, Mr. Speaker: Will he commit today, in this

Legislature, to providing copies of legislation at least one day - not a lot to

ask - at least one day in advance of their tabling in the House of Assembly to

ensure that Opposition members can review the legislation and solicit input from

stakeholders outside the House of Assembly?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Mr. Speaker, we have always provided legislation, normally,

in advance of one day. We try to get it to the Opposition in the week before.

First of all, the legislation that the Government House Leader refers to as

being debated today emanates from an agreement that his government signed in

August, 2003.

AN HON. MEMBER: Made public

MR. E. BYRNE: Made public in 2003. Secondly, Mr. Speaker, I am really

perplexed by the Leader of the Opposition talking about the Transparency and

Accountability Act when over eight days ago I offered the Opposition House

Leader and the Leader of the NDP a technical briefing on that piece of

legislation or any other piece of legislation and up until today they have not

taken advantage of that.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I appreciate the answers from the Premier to the questions that I am asking

of the Premier.

Mr. Speaker, with respect to Bill 45, the changes to fees for snowmobilers,

the new legislation tabled in this House that introduces those fees for groomed

trails, it again was brought forward without any advanced copy being given to

the Opposition and little or no consultation, obviously, with stakeholders in

the Province. Our office, Mr. Speaker, has been bombarded with complaints from

outdoor enthusiasts who are outraged with this flawed legislation.

Mr. Speaker, as I ask the Premier this question, the Premier personally, I

ask the Premier this question who personally promised the Wildlife Federation

for Newfoundland and Labrador and outdoor user groups that an outdoor bill of

rights would be developed by the government. The question for the Premier is:

When will the people of the Province see this outdoor bill of rights and why are

the snowmobile changes not part of this overall plan to protect outdoor rights

that he personally promised?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Mr. Speaker, that is it. I am gone beyond perplexed by the

Leader of the Opposition's questions. This must be free-for-all Friday.

Let me quote for Hansard. For example, his own critic, the official

spokesperson for the party said that his side would be supporting this on

Thursday. The fact of the matter is that there is a piece of legislation before

the House, we are debating it. Nobody -

MR. JOYCE: (Inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. E. BYRNE: People on this side of the House will support this bill,

quote unquote, the Member for the Bay of Islands. That is what I see, Mr.

Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: The fact of the matter is this, Mr. Speaker, we are in

Committee stage of debate. There is nobody rushing the piece of legislation

through. There are no closure motions put in place. The Leader of the Opposition

again fundamentally is trying to purport or leave an impression that we are

trying to ram things through or rush things through. My advice to the Leader of

the Opposition is this: The parliamentary process will continue. In the interest

of that, tell him to talk to his own critic over there.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is unfortunate that the Premier refuses to speak for himself about

commitments that he personally made to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, the Premier also made other promises to the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador. He promised, in writing, that his government would

not introduce additional fees for outdoor recreational activities, and that his

government would form committees and consult before decisions of this type were

made.

I ask the Premier again, if he is in the Legislature, why has he broken these

promises and decided to introduce user fees without forming a committee that

represents all sectors of the snowmobiling population in Newfoundland and

Labrador?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, obviously our policy of openness,

transparency and accountability has struck a nerve with the hon. members

opposite.

MR. SULLIVAN: They're not used to that.

PREMIER WILLIAMS: They are not used to that. They do not recognize what

it is all about, because they never had any of it when they were in government.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: We have a transparency and accountability act. We have

a new purchasing act. We are going to put in fixed terms. We are going to clean

up government. That is what we intend to do, and obviously hon. members opposite

do not want us to do that. Well, the people of Newfoundland and Labrador want us

to do that.

As well, what we inherited from you, Sir, was an absolute mess. You

understand that and you know that. We inherited a fiscal mess, and we are in the

process of cleaning that up as well. We are going to clean up the finances and

we are going to clean up government, and at the end of the day the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador will be a lot better off for our efforts.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair recognized the Leader of the Opposition. The shouting is occurring

from both sides of the House, and the Chair is having difficulty hearing the

Leader of the Opposition. I ask him now to continue with his question.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

What the people of the Province want from the Premier is to keep his

commitments that he made, in writing, that there would be no fees.

Mr. Speaker, it is obvious again that Bill 45, the changes for snowmobile

use, is not acceptable to a large number of outdoor users in the Province. Once

again, government attempted to rush through a piece of legislation without any

considerable debate or public consultation as promised personally by the

Premier.

I ask the Premier again, now that major concerns have been raised, will the

government commit to withdrawing the current piece of legislation and holding

consultations like they are going to do for the smoking changes, to ensure that

the changes that finally come forward are well thought out and have broad based

support by snowmobilers in Newfoundland and Labrador?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Again, fundamentally, the Leader of the Opposition is absolutely, totally,

incorrect in his assumption that government is trying to rush something through.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The minister responsible, who has brought forward the legislation, said last

Thursday in this House, so everybody could be aware: Take all the time

necessary. We will answer any questions that are put forward. There is nobody

trying to rush through legislation.

The fact of the matter is, there was an impression left by a member of the

Opposition that they were supportive of the bill. So, in the absence of any of

that, let me provide the assurance that the minister has already given. If the

Leader of the Opposition wants us to reaffirm it for his own peace of mind and

comfort, let me reaffirm it again: We are in Committee stage. You have an

opportunity to discuss and debate the bill, to put forward any amendments that

can be discussed, but let me be unequivocally clear - and you already know it -

that the impression you are trying to leave, that we are trying to ram or rush

something through, nothing is further from the truth. It is not happening.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, a couple of other quick topics for the Premier.

Today is a very important day for Labrador, so I would like to ask a couple

of other issues concerning commitments made by the Premier personally - not by

his House Leader, but by the Premier personally. I ask the Premier: When can the

people of Labrador expect to see the Labrador office of the Premier established,

that he promised in all of the public media after he did not name anyone from

Labrador to the Cabinet and closed out the office of the Minister of Labrador

and Aboriginal Affairs in Labrador? He promised a Premier's office over a year

ago. When can we expect it to open in Labrador?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we are now in the process of program renewals, as the members of

government and hon. members opposite are aware. We have had discussions with

people in Labrador about some of the confusion that has arisen in the past with

regard to Aboriginal Affairs, Labrador Affairs, the setup in Labrador, the

process for getting information through, to and from, Labrador.

As a result, we did not want to sort of precipitously just set up an office,

just go and put it in place for the sake of doing it. We will be setting up that

office. We will be setting it up in the very near future, but not until we have

gone through a proper process within government; because, when we do it - unlike

the hon. members opposite when they were in government - we just want to do it

right.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It has taken over twelve months so far, so I expect they might get it right

some time soon.

Mr. Speaker, another commitment of this government and this Premier was to

hire a Deputy Minister for Labrador and Aboriginal Affairs to be situated in

Labrador. The position has been vacant for almost a year. Can the Premier update

us as to when he might get around to actually filling the position and situating

it in Labrador as he promised?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: I do not know where the hon. Leader of the Opposition

gets his information. As I said, he must be talking to himself, because every

time he stands up his information is absolutely incorrect, Mr. Speaker.

The portfolio has been in place. There has been a deputy minister there. The

position has been vacant. We have advertised for another deputy minister. That

process is in place, and when it is completed we will be appointing a deputy

minister. The process is in place.

Whatever kind of impression he is trying to give to the public here is

absolutely erroneous, it is misleading, and it is wrong for you to do that. You

know the difference. You were Premier of this Province, you were in control of

the government, and you know how the process works. We are doing it and we are

playing by the rules. We cannot do any more than that. You know that; you

understand it. Why do you try and mislead the people of this Province and

mislead the people in this gallery? That is absolutely wrong and it is

irresponsible of you to do that.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I appreciate the lectures from the almighty Premier but I will speak for

myself, as I have always done in fifteen years in politics.

Mr. Speaker, he did not take the time to advertise for his new Commissioner

for the Public Service Commission, his lifelong friend, who was appointed just a

couple of days ago, over the weekend.

Mr. Speaker, over a year ago, in the Blue Book, before the election, the

Premier committed to establishing a senior position from the Mines Division of

the Department of Natural Resources to be situated in Labrador West - fourteen

months ago, Mr. Speaker. When are they going to get that right and finally put

that position in Labrador West?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, we have been extremely busy. Nobody knows

better than the people on this side of the House just how busy we have been as a

government since we took office. We simply have not stopped. We are working day

and night, seven days a week, twenty-four hours a day.

With regard to Labrador issues - the hon. member shakes his head over there.

It is very unfair for the Member for Torngat to shake his head. We have devoted

a lot of time and a lot of interest to Labrador. You know, we did a trip

together ourselves this summer at your request. We went up and I saw firsthand

the concerns of the people in Labrador, and, quite frankly, it broke my heart.

There were issues up there that were very sensitive and very serious. I thank

you, Sir, for inviting me up on that trip and I thank you for accompanying me.

Labrador is a huge priority for this government. I will state it here, and I

will state it now, we will deliver for the people of Labrador. I make no

apologies. We were doing absolutely everything we could, but we had to deal with

the absolute mess that you left us in this government. It was a disgrace, the

way you left it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am going to give the Premier lots of opportunity to deliver for Labrador

right now.

The government has now combined the Labrador Health Board with the Grenfell

Regional Health Services Board. This new board will take the responsibility of

serving the large geographic area of the Northern Peninsula and all of Labrador.

This board will also have a debt that reaches almost $14 million.

I ask the minister: Will he and his government agree to pay down the debt or

will this board be forced to cut medical services in Labrador and on the

Northern Peninsula in order to pay the $14 million bill?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The hon. member knows that we are in the midst of organizational change and

structural change. We have just recently appointed our chair's designate, we

are presently undergoing the process with respect to the hiring of CEOs and that

will be announced during the month of December, and in due course, as well, and

in the very near future, we will be naming the remainder of our board

membership, all four boards, I say to the hon. member, in due course. When these

individuals, I say to the hon. member, are in place, we will meet with these

individuals who will then have the opportunity, on behalf of their respective

boards, to make decisions in conjunction with government and to work with

government as we work towards the rationalization of the changes that will be

put in place.

Mr. Speaker, when that process is complete, and in due course, we will work

with issues in terms of future planning and in terms of deficit issues, whether,

for example, this government will pay off the entire deficit -

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, many of the people in Labrador have only the bare

essentials in health care services in their small communities. Most of them are

provided through small clinics, and all other primary health care services are

offered through Happy Valley-Goose Bay and through St. Anthony.

Minister, I know there is a process that you are looking at under program

review, but can you give your assurances today that they will not have to make

any cuts to that essential medical service and that government will, indeed, pay

down their debt?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Mr. Speaker, this government will, as it always has

been, will and continue to be sensitive to the needs of all Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians. In due course, Mr. Speaker, the appropriate decisions will be

made. In due course the appropriate decisions will be made when the appropriate

individuals are in place. We will move forward, as a government, in conjunction

with these new individuals to ensure that the decisions that are in place, are

in the best interest of all Newfoundlanders and all Labradorians.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, last week I asked the minister about the Labrador

Medical Travel Program and the new dollars that the Premier says we are going to

receive from Ottawa, but the minister did not give me any details. Mr. Speaker,

this money was announced two months ago. Since then dozens of more residents in

Labrador were referred for treatment to St. John's and Corner Brook and had to

resort to fundraising in order to afford the cost of an airline ticket.

I ask the minister to please tell us today: When will money be available to

help cover the medical costs of patients from Labrador? Because we know there is

more federal money coming, and I have confirmed it with our MP for Labrador as

well. When can you tell us when the money will be available to cover the medical

costs of patients from Labrador who are being referred to the capital city and

to Corner Brook for serious medical treatment?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

A similar question was asked several days ago and at that time I identified

and recognized the priority areas that were identified by my colleague, the

Premier, during the Health Summit in September, 2004. And, yes, I concur with

the hon. member when she mentions transportation of the North as a priority

issue. It is, and I assure the hon. member that it is a priority issue along

with issues such as wait times, wait lists, home care, Aboriginal health, issues

of health concerns in the North, generally. I can assure the hon. member, the

matter that she raises will be included in those priority issues that have been

identified by the First Ministers of this country and the appropriate decisions

will be made in due course.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Twillingate & Fogo.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions are for the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

Mr. Speaker, last week we learned that the FPI plant in Harbour Breton was

closing, throwing 350 people out of work in that town. A month prior to that we

learned that North Atlantic Sea Farms was going into receivership, putting in

jeopardy anther 200 jobs in that region. We understand that the assets of this

company have now been offered for tender.

I ask the minister, can he tell us if the assets of North Atlantic Sea Farms

will remain in Bay d'Espoir and the jobs associated with them protected?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as the member knows - and most people would know, I guess -

there is a receivership process that is taking place as it relates to North

Atlantic Sea Farms. The closure date for the Request for Proposals was November

26. My understanding is there have been a number of offers made by various

companies to receivers to take over the assets of North Atlantic Sea Farms.

As for whether they will stay in Bay d'Espoir or not, I can only say that I

am reasonably confident that the assets of North Atlantic Sea Farms will remain

intact in Bay d'Espoir, but, of course, that is something which the receiver

will determine at the end of the day. I can say that the initiative which

government took back a couple of months ago and announced on November 2, that

there would be a feed financing program available for fin fish aquaculture in

this Province, will certainly go a long ways towards securing the future of

aquaculture production on the South Coast.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Twillingate & Fogo.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

He mentioned that program, and my second question will be pertaining that.

Mr. Speaker, this minister led the people of the Province and us, on this

side, in particular, that the new Aquaculture Working Capital Loan Guarantee

Initiative program would actually save North Atlantic from bankruptcy. It is my

understanding that North Atlantic Sea Farms actually applied for funding under

this program and were denied. Can the minister tell me why they were denied

funding?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I most certainly did not lead anybody to believe that North

Atlantic Sea Farms is going to get access to this program. We put a program in

place that was modeled, specifically, on a New Brunswick program. If the member

wants to, he can go outside and talk to the media afterwards who were in the

media centre in this building when I did the press conference. The question was

asked directly: Will this help North Atlantic? And I said: It may help North

Atlantic but I cannot guarantee that North Atlantic will access this program. I

said that to the people on the South Coast and said it to the people of North

Atlantic and the aquaculture industry. What we said is: There is a program here.

There is a criteria that will apply. If any company, regardless of who the

company is, meets the criteria they can have access to the program. In this

case, North Atlantic did not meet the criteria. It is not my place to tell why

they did not meet the criteria. This is private information related to a

business. If the people at North Atlantic want to divulge why we said they could

not access the program, they can but I cannot.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Twillingate &

Fogo.

MR. REID: Mr. Speaker, the minister, when he announced his new program on

November 2, stated: "The aquaculture industry in Newfoundland and Labrador

is strengthened by today's announcement." It is our understanding that,

to date, North Atlantic Sea Farms is only one of two companies that have applied

for funding because the guidelines are so stringent that no existing aquaculture

operation can qualify.

Can the minister confirm that this information is correct, and is he willing

to change the criteria of this program so that it will indeed strengthen the

aquaculture industry in this Province?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, you strengthen an industry by giving a program that allows

strong companies to grow, not by watering down a program to the point where we

lose the millions of dollars that the member knows was lost in the aquaculture

industry over the past number of years.

The program that we have developed, Mr. Speaker, is a very strong program. It

was brought about by us at the request of the Newfoundland and Labrador

Aquaculture Industry Association. They told us what they wanted to see in a

program, the people at North Atlantic Sea Farms told us what they wanted to see

in a program, the people in the aquaculture industry from outside the Province

told us what they wanted to see in the program and we delivered exactly that

program, the New Brunswick program, Mr. Speaker. The program is solid. The

criteria is solid. We have done - in the program that we have implemented - a

service to the industry by providing them with a good program. We have also

protected the taxpayers of Newfoundland and Labrador so that we do not take

their money and flush it away.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Premier, and it concerns video lottery machines in the

Province. The fact the Premier, I think, understands - and all residents

understand - the damage that they have caused to our citizens in a few short

years. People have taken their lives, many families have been destroyed

financially and other ways. Last spring when I raised this with the Premier he

seemed to understand - I think he was genuine - when he said that he knew people

himself who are faced with these problems.

I want to ask the Premier today a question that I asked last spring. Will he

commit, in the September municipal election, to having the issue of whether or

not the people of this Province want to have VLTs in their communities or in

their Province? Will he commit to having that placed on the ballot next

September as a referendum vote?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: I thank the hon. member for that question and for

continuing to raise that issue. It is an issue that is very important to all of

us. I think we see it everyday. We see it in our own families and friends, and

we know some of the severe hardship cases that have been created throughout the

Province, and indeed throughout the country as a result of VLTs. It is something

that we, as a government, are very concerned about.

The Minister of Health has spoken on this particular issue. The Minister of

Finance has spoken on this particular issue. A big part of it, of course, is

looking at where the problems are, and trying to solve the problems, and trying

to treat the addiction and making sure that the remedies are available

throughout the Province for people who have been afflicted by this.

We both know, of course, that there was a referendum held in New Brunswick

some time ago, and I was quite frankly very surprised by the results of that

referendum, which actually supported keeping VLTs in the Province.

I do not necessarily want to go ahead precipitously to do that and find

ourselves in that position with the same kind of result, so hopefully we can use

the process of program renewal now to do a proper assessment of exactly where

the situation is, just how bad it is, to get some good criteria and some

research and some data on this particular issue to get the magnitude of the

problem.

We know it is serious. I would like to see some empirical data now to see

exactly what the affliction is, and then we will move on from there, but your

point is very well taken.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I say to the Premier, the programs that may be offered, these VLT machines

are spread into every nook and cranny of our Province. It is not possible to put

treatment centres in every community in this Province where people are

experiencing the problems.

I do want to ask the Premier: When can we expect a more vigorous campaign

against restricting the use of VLTs, against providing the 2 per cent of

revenues taken in by them, that the Finance Minister said he would commit when

they made government.

Again, the problems created by VLTs in our Province, I do not think we need a

study. I think the personal testimony of people who have been affected is clear.

Because the referendum vote may have failed in one province, I do not believe

that is a reason for not doing it here.

Again, I ask the Premier, when can the people expect some help? Again,

(inaudible) referendum.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as the hon. member knows, this is a priority for this

government. There is absolutely no doubt about it. We are very sensitive to it

and very much aware of it. In the last Budget, with the limited means that we

had, and with the limited resources, we did put additional funding in it. If I

remember correctly, it was $100,000 that we added on. We would hope to increase

that funding.

I also had a meeting with the Chair or the President of the Atlantic Lotto

Corporation, I guess probably a couple of months ago, and specifically said to

her that I felt there was a need for them to step up and put more money towards

addiction.

It is a priority for this government. It will not fall off the priority list,

I can tell you right now. We will be looking at increased funding. It is a

problem that we have to deal with and we should deal with it, and we owe it to

the people of the Province to deal with it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

We have time for a fifteen second question and an equally short answer.

The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: To the Minister of Finance, when can the people of Labrador

West look forward to the day when they are not discriminated against in

receiving transportation subsidy to access health care in Happy Valley-Goose Bay

that other residents of Labrador are receiving. and have received for many, many

years?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Department of Health and Community Services actually has a program on

medical transportation assistance that is non-discriminatory, for anybody who

has a particular need, in assisting them to receive medical attention in their

particular area.

The Department of Finance does not run any such programs at all. The

Department of Health is the one that runs the programs. We are very cognizant of

the costs of people trying to access health care in most parts of the Province;

Labrador, too, in particular, but many other remote isolated communities too.

The Department of Health has a program in place, and certainly if the minister

wants to speak to that, but there is no program under my department to deal with

that.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The time for Question Period has expired.

During Question Period, the Chair received a note notifying the Speaker that

Mr. Todd Russell of the Labrador Metis Nation, and five other members from his

organization are also in the gallery today, and we also want to welcome them in

particular.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Presenting Report by Standing and Select Committees.

Notices of Motion.

Notices of Motion

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a

bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The Fish Inspection Act. (Bill 57)

MR. SPEAKER: Further notices of motion.

The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MR. HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The private members' motion under Standing Order 63, standing in my name on

the Order Paper, is proposed to be debated on Wednesday coming. It is related to

the public automobile insurance and the formation of a select committee.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Did I hear the hon. member correctly? He said that the motion standing in his

name now on the Order Paper will be the motion that we shall debate on

Wednesday?

MR. HARRIS: That is correct, Mr. Speaker. Standing Order 63 does not

provide an exact procedure for motions, other than those by the Official

Opposition or government in private members. So, in keeping with our discussion

last Thursday, I am just giving notice that the motion that we would propose to

have debated on Private Members' Day is the motion standing in my name as it

relates to public automobile insurance.

MR. SPEAKER: As per the statements made on Thursday last, that would be

the motion that would be discussed on Wednesday.

Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given.

Petitions.

Petitions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today on behalf of my constituents in the District of Cartwright-L'Anse

au Clair as it relates to government's decision, Mr. Speaker, not to clear

snow on the road between Red Bay and Lodge Bay.

Mr. Speaker, this is a very essential piece of the highway system in Southern

Labrador. It joins the region from the Labrador Straits and the Coast of

Labrador. Prior to the last few years, there had never been a road connection in

that particular area. Since then, hundreds of millions of dollars have been

spent to build roads right throughout the district in connecting a number of

communities. The government opposite has chosen not to clear snow on this

section of road for almost four months of the year, simply because they are

unwilling to invest the dollars that are needed to correct the problems that

exist with this piece of highway, and are unwilling to spend the money that is

essential to keeping the roads open in that region.

Mr. Speaker, nowhere else - nowhere else - in this Province would you see an

essential piece of highway closed to the public. The communities in my district

depend upon this piece of road. They depend in the greatest sense of the word,

because they use it to be able to access services, access airports, access fuel

supply, and that is going to be cut off from them.

Prior to the road being constructed, many of these communities had storage

tanks in their communities where they could store fuel for extended periods of

time, but when the highway went through they took out those storage tanks

because they did not want to have any future risk to the environment by storing

tanks that were unnecessary to them.

Mr. Speaker, the businesses had warehouses where they could order in freight

shipments and store them for extended periods of time in the winter months, and

when the road went through they took out those warehouses because they did not

have a need for them.

Mr. Speaker, the Labrador Transportation Fund, which is administered by the

Minister of Transportation and Works, and Aboriginal Affairs, and the Minister

of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and Labrador Affairs, earned $2.9 million last

year in interest. That was what the Labrador Fund earned. Now, no member from

Labrador has input into how that money is spent. No, because the only member

from Labrador on the government side is not part of the committee that

administers the Fund on the Labrador Transportation Initiative, and therefore

the people in Labrador are not being treated fairly when it comes to where this

money is being invested.

People in my district should not have to see the road closed for four months

out of the winter, Mr. Speaker. They should not, and I think that the government

should reconsider its decision. I talked to the minister several times, myself.

I have asked him to reconsider this decision, to leave this road open for as

long as they possibly can during the winter to allow people to have access to

these services. Mr. Speaker, I plead with him today to give this strong

consideration -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time has expired.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further petitions?

On petitions, the hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

MR. JOYCE: A point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: A point of order has been raised by the hon. Member for Bay

of Islands.

MR. JOYCE: The Government House Leader said today that I supported the

bill for the snowmobile legislation, Mr. Speaker. I just want to bring to the

attention of the House, on three occasions I said - and I read from Hansard, Mr.

Speaker: I am sure the Government House Leader would concur that both sides will

try to have this legislation....

Mr. Speaker, I said that on three occasions. I spoke to the Minister of

Tourism, Culture and Recreation. One of the agreements that we had on Tuesday

was, the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair brought it to my attention, as

the critic, that the roads that have no connection to the main highway receive a

grant now to have the roads groomed.

I spoke to the Minister of Tourism, Culture and Recreation, and he committed

to me on Tuesday that these grants will stay in place.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

While the Chair listens to what the hon. member is saying, a point of order

should relate to some procedural thing that has happened in the House relevant

to our procedures. It is not a time when members can argue between each other as

to who said what on one side, who said what on the other.

I ask the member to get to his point of order. I will give him a few more

seconds to do so.

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, what I am trying to say is that my comments were

misrepresented, because I was told on Tuesday by the hon. minister that the

grants were in place. On Thursday it was confirmed to myself and to the Member

for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair that the grants were not going to be in place

after March 31, 2005, and the minister who initiates those grants is the

Minister of Transportation and Works. When the member found out that was the

minister who they had to trust, she said, no, we cannot support this bill, I was

given a commitment.

To the Government House Leader, who is standing up and making false

accusations that I made these commitments, it is just absolutely not true.

Absolutely not true!

MR. E. BYRNE: To the point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Government House Leader, speaking to that point of order.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

All I quoted from Hansard, and I will quote it again - there are not my

words, these are the hon. members: People on this side of the House will support

this bill. That is all he said, Mr. Speaker, and I will rest my case with that.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

A point of order is not a time to engage in the resumption of debate. There

will be plenty of opportunity when we next go to Committee of the Whole House on

this particular bill for members to engage in those exchanges and to clarify

points that they might wish to make at that time.

There is no point of order, and the Chair makes that decision on that

particular point.

Further Petitions? Orders of the day.

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Order 9, Second Reading of a Bill,

An Act To Ratify And Give The Force Of Law

To The Labrador Inuit Land Claims Agreement, Bill 44.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: It is moved and seconded that Bill 44,

An Act To Ratify And

Give The Force Of Law To The Labrador Inuit Land Claims Agreement, be now read a

second time.

Motion, second reading of a bill, "An Act To Ratify And Give The Force

Of Law To The Labrador Inuit Claims Agreement." (Bill 44)

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works, and

Aboriginal Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, it is indeed a pleasure for me to rise today in this hon. House

and introduce Bill 44, the Labrador Inuit Land Claims Agreement. This is a

historic day for all members in this Chamber, it is a historic day for all

members of the Inuit Association, the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador,

and, in fact, the entire Nation, Mr. Speaker.

The passing of this bill will be a significant step forward for all of us,

and it represents the fruition of nearly three decades of long, hard work by a

lot of people. This Land Claims Agreement is the first comprehensive land claims

agreement to be concluded in Newfoundland and Labrador and in Atlantic Canada,

making this a truly significant milestone in our Province, the country and the

history of Aboriginal people in Canada.

The Labrador Inuit vote on this Agreement, Mr. Speaker, took place on May 26,

2004. That was among the highlights of my career in public office; to stand in

this hon. House as the Minister Responsible for Aboriginal Affairs and inform

members and the Province of the overwhelming endorsement that this Agreement was

given by Labrador Inuit.

After nearly thirty years of work on this very important agreement, on the

part of the provincial government, the Labrador Inuit Association and the

federal government, it is truly an honour as minister to introduce this

legislation in this House today.

This past August, Mr. Speaker, I once again visited Labrador. It was an

excellent opportunity for me, as minister, to hear first-hand the concerns of

Aboriginal people in the region.

During my visit, I visited Nain, Natuashish, Hopedale, Postville, Makkovik,

Rigolet, North West River and Happy Valley-Goose Bay. I had meetings with the

Sheshatshiu Innu Band Council, the Innu Nation, the Labrador Inuit Association,

the Mushuau Innu First Nation, and seven town councils located throughout the

region.

During my time in Labrador I saw with my own eyes, Mr. Speaker, how important

this agreement will be to the Labrador Inuit and received representation on just

how badly needed the Agreement was, in fact.

But before I go any further, I would like to take a moment to review the

history of this agreement and exactly how much work has taken place to get us to

the point where we are in this hon. House today.

In 1997, Mr. Speaker, the Labrador Inuit Association filed a statement of

of Canada accepted the Labrador Inuit claim for negotiation, and in 1980 the

Province agreed to participate in those negotiations.

I was a member of the Peckford Administation, Mr. Speaker, which accepted the

basis for this claim back in the 1980s. Little did I know I would be the

minister responsible for introducing this legislation in the House in 2004. I

want to thank the Premier for making that possible.

A framework agreement setting out the matters to be negotiated was reached in

1990. In 1999, the parties initialled the Agreement-in-Principle and it was

signed in 2001.

In August, 2003, negotiators for the Labrador Inuit Association, the

the final agreement that triggered the start of the Inuit ratification process.

This included the appointment of a ratification committee, comprised of a

jointly appointed independent chairperson, Carol Brice-Bennett, and members

appointed by the LIA, the federal government and the Province.

In order for the Agreement to be accepted, Mr. Speaker, 50 per cent plus one

of all eligible voters had to vote to approve the Agreement. As everybody

realizes, that is a very high threshold and I guess a legitimate question is:

Why was the threshold so high? Because a yes vote would extinguish any future

rights for the present Labrador Inuit and generations of unborn Labrador Inuit.

I remind this House that there are approximately 4,300 eligible voters on the

official voters list.

On May 26 of this year, on the day of the Inuit vote, I made a statement in

this hon. House encouraging all Inuit who were eligible to vote for the

Agreement to participate in the ratification process. I was pleased to see that

several hundred individuals had already voted via the advance poll and mail in

ballots. I said then that the ratification vote was the most important decision

that the Labrador Inuit would make for their future.

The endorsement of the agreement can be described by two words: overwhelming

and definitive. It was overwhelming in that individuals who did not vote were

counted as a no vote. The task facing the Labrador Inuit Association was

daunting: not only did they have to convince Inuit to vote for the agreement,

but they also had to ensure that those individuals physically made it to the

polls to ensure the acceptance of the negotiated agreement.

That they were able to get 85 per cent of eligible voters to the polls and

that over 75 per cent of eligible voters cast a ballot in favour of the

agreement, is a definitive endorsement of that agreement. And remember, as I

said previously, there were 4,300 members scattered from Nain to St. John's

and other provinces and territories around the country and, indeed, around the

world.

On that day, Labrador Inuit spoke clearly and they spoke loudly. We in this

hon House, across Newfoundland and Labrador and across the nation, have heard

them.

Mr. Speaker, this brings us to the present day and the next step on this

journey toward the realization of this agreement, and that is the passage of

this bill in our Legislature.

Earlier today at a news conference, the Premier and I, and Mr. Andersen,

President of the LIA, spoke about some of the advantages of a negotiated land

claims settlement. Land claims agreements bring clarity and certainty to land

ownership and management of our resources, benefitting all Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians. This will result in a stable environment for development and

investment.

The costs of a land claims settlement, Mr. Speaker, are much less than the

cost of not reaching a settlement. With a settlement, all the people of the

Province can advance with more certainty along the road to economic development.

Without a settlement, uncertainty and misunderstanding will slow the Province's

economic and social development. Land claims settlements will support greater

self-reliance for the Labrador Inuit. The self-government provisions of the

Agreement will provide Inuit with the ability to control their own affairs and

to forge a new future.

At this time, Mr. Speaker, I would submit that this legislation that we are

voting on here in this hon. House today is met with a single question: What does

it mean? The answer is simple: everything.

The ratification of this legislation means everything to the Labrador Inuit.

It means having a voice, a say, in land and non-renewable resource management,

ocean management, economic development and the Voisey's Bay project, from

which the Nunatsiavut Government will receive 5 per cent of provincial revenues

from the subsurface resources in the Voisey's Bay area, as well as Impacts and

Benefits Agreement with the Voisey's Bay Nickel Company.

The agreement also includes provisions related to national park protected

areas, wildlife and plants, fisheries, archaeology and fisheries matters. In

short, this agreement is everything in terms of having a prosperous and

meaningful future for the Labrador Inuit, this Province and this country. It

means a brighter future for Labrador Inuit and for all of us.

This Agreement will go a long way toward improving living conditions in Inuit

communities. It will go a long way toward giving those communities hope for the

future, Mr. Speaker. As a result of this agreement, the Labrador Inuit will

exercise great responsibility and further autonomy over their affairs. This

includes land and non-renewable resources, self-government, and economic

development.

There are several points I want to highlight in this legislation and

elaborate for the benefit of members in the House and for the people of the

Province. The Labrador Inuit have created their own constitution that comes into

effect with this Agreement. The Agreement establishes two levels of government:

the Nunatsiavut Government, with jurisdiction primarily over Inuit at a regional

level, and five Inuit community governments - one in each of the five Inuit

communities of Rigolet, Makkovik, Postville, Hopedale and Nain.

The Agreement also provides for the establishment of Inuit community

corporations for Inuit who live outside the Labrador Inuit Settlement Area. All

levels of this government, Mr. Speaker, will be democratically elected.

Under this Agreement, the Nunatsiavut Government may make laws to govern

Inuit residents of Labrador Inuit Lands and the Inuit communities for matters

such as education, health, child and family services and income support. The

Nunatsiavut Government will also have jurisdiction over its internal affairs,

Inuit language and culture, and the management of Indian rights and benefits

under the Agreement. The Nunatsiavut Government may establish a justice system

for the administration of Inuit laws.

the Nunatsiavut Government will negotiate a fiscal financing agreement every

five years to provide funding to the Nunatsiavut Government for the provision of

programs and services to the Inuit, and, if needed, to other residents.

The first fiscal financing agreement has been negotiated and will come into

effect once the Agreement comes into effect. The Labrador Inuit will continue to

be eligible to receive federal and provincial programs and services.

This Agreement, and additional agreements to be negotiated in future years,

among the Labrador Inuit, the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador and

Canada, will provide key programs and services such as health care, education

and other social programs and services to be delivered to the Nunatsiavut

Government to Inuit and all residents in each of the five Inuit communities.

Land is a key component of the Agreement. Under the Agreement, two categories

of land were created: The Labrador Inuit Settlement Area, or LISA, and the

Labrador Inuit Lands, or LIL. The settlement area consists of 28,000 squares

miles, or 72,520 square kilometres, of land, and 18,800 square miles, or 48,690

square kilometres, of ocean extending to the limit of Canada's territorial

sea. Inuit will have special rights in all of these areas.

Within the Settlement Area, the Inuit will own 6,100 square miles, or 15,800

square kilometres, of land referred to as the Labrador Inuit Lands. It is in

this area where Inuit have the most rights and benefits.

On Labrador Inuit Lands, Inuit will have the exclusive right to carving

stone, ownership of over 1,500 square miles, or 3,950 square kilometres, of

quarry materials, and a 25 per cent ownership interest in subsurface resources.

The Agreement provides that existing surface interests in Labrador Inuit

Lands, such as cabin owners and outfitters, will continue under their current

will be made to the Nunatsiavut Government.

Mr. Speaker, the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador will, with the

Nunatsiavut Government, and within three years of the effective date of the

Agreement, develop a comprehensive land use plan for the Settlement Area. The

Nunatsiavut Government will approve the land use plan as it applies to the

Labrador Inuit Lands and the Province will approve the plan as it applies to the

Settlement Area outside of Labrador Inuit Lands.

The Nunatsiavut Government may establish other protected areas within

Labrador Inuit Lands. A protected area agreement with the Nunatsiavut Government

will be required for any new protected areas in the Settlement Area outside

Labrador Inuit Lands that may affect the rights of the Labrador Inuit under the

Agreement.

In terms of economic development, impact and benefits agreements must be

negotiated between the Nunatsiavut Government and developers before projects can

proceed in Labrador Inuit Lands and before major developments can proceed in the

settlement area outside Labrador Inuit Lands.

The Nunatsiavut Government is also entitled to receive 25 per cent of

provincial revenues from subsurface developments in Labrador Inuit Lands. In the

Settlement Area outside Labrador Inuit Lands, the Nunatsiavut Government will

receive 50 per cent of the first $2 million and 5 per cent of any additional

provincial revenues from subsurface resource developments.

There are also provisions in the Agreement that pertain to water management

and Inuit water rights, as well as ocean management. In terms of water

management, there is a provision for the Inuit to have the right to use water

for personal and domestic purposes throughout the Settlement Area. Any developer

in the Settlement Area who proposes to use this water resource must first

negotiate a compensation agreement with the Nunatsiavut Government.

Labrador Inuit will have the right to harvest wildlife and plants and fish

for food and social and ceremonial purposes, throughout the Settlement Area . A

co-management board appointed by the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador,

the primary body for making recommendations to government on the conservation

and management of wildlife and plants in the Settlement Area.

With the exception of those interest holders accommodated under the

Agreement, the Nunatsiavut Government will control who may harvest wildlife and

plants in Labrador Inuit Lands. The Nunatsiavut Government will control Inuit

harvesting for food, social and ceremonial purposes throughout the Settlement

Area.

As a result of concerns expressed by non-Inuit harvesters in the Upper Lake

Melville region between the Agreement-in- Principle and the Final Agreement, a

couple of significant changes were made to the harvesting provisions in the

Agreement to provide for greater access for non-Inuit to Labrador Inuit Lands.

The Agreement provides that non-Inuit cabin owners on Labrador Inuit Lands can

continue to harvest for non-commercial purposes in areas where they have

traditionally and currently harvest. Also, non-Inuit harvesters harvesting for

non-commercial purposes in tidal waters may access the shoreline of Labrador

Inuit Lands to establish temporary camps.

The Nunatsiavut Government has the exclusive right to authorize new

outfitting and sawmill operations in Labrador Inuit Lands, and first right to

establish new operations throughout the Settlement Area, Mr. Speaker.

A tripartite co-management board will be established to be the primary body

for making recommendations on the conservation and management of fish.

Existing commercial fishing licenses are not affected by the Agreement, Mr.

Speaker. Inuit will be guaranteed a percentage of new or additional commercial

fishing licenses for specific species within the Settlement Area and adjacent

waters. They will also be granted 70 per cent of the new fish processing

licenses in the Settlement Area.

Furthermore, Mr. Speaker, Labrador Inuit will control who may fish or

establish aquaculture facilities in Labrador Inuit Lands and will have the first

right to establish aquaculture facilities in the Settlement Area.

If I may, Mr. Speaker, I will take a moment to speak about some of the

cultural aspects of this agreement, more specifically archaeology.

The Nunatsiavut government will be the permitting authority for

archaeological activity in Labrador Inuit Lands and the Inuit communities.

Artifacts found in the Labrador Inuit Lands will be owned by the Nunatsiavut

government and artifacts found in the Labrador Inuit Settlement Area outside

Labrador Inuit Lands will be jointly owned by the Labrador Inuit and the

Province.

In our Blue Book, Mr. Speaker, our government made a commitment to not accept

or ignore the unequal socio-economic conditions of Aboriginal communities. We

committed to relationships that were built on equality and respect. Working with

the Aboriginal leaders, we want to assist Aboriginal peoples in fulfilling their

desire to become more self-reliant. This includes resolving Aboriginal land

claims and providing Labrador Inuit with the tools to exercise genuine control

over their own affairs.

Mr. Speaker, this Agreement does that.

The Agreement does not address right for any Aboriginal people of Canada

other than Labrador Inuit, and does not affect the Aboriginal rights that other

Aboriginal people may have in the Labrador Inuit Settlement Area.

As I advised this hon. House last week, the criteria to qualify as a

beneficiary under this Agreement is extremely broad. In fact, more than half of

the beneficiaries live outside the Settlement Area, including anyone with 25 per

cent Inuit ancestry. Those living outside the Settlement Area enjoy many of the

benefits of those living inside, from hiring preferences at Voisey's Bay to

access to federal programs such as non-insured health services and

post-secondary education funding. While the harvesting provisions are only

available within the Settlement Area, the benefits were sufficient to satisfy

the 60 per cent of eligible Inuit voters outside the area, of whom 70 per cent

voted in favour of the Agreement.

This point is important, Mr. Speaker, in light of the concerns raised by the

Labrador Metis Nation with the Agreement. Many members of the LMN may now be

eligible to become beneficiaries of the Labrador Inuit Land Claims Agreement.

This addresses a concern raised by many people, particularly in the Upper Lake

Melville area, who lost their membership in the LIA when the criteria became

more stringent in the mid-1990s. Now, as a result of improvements in the

Agreement, some of the people, and others who were never able to be

beneficiaries before, have an opportunity to enjoy the same benefits as the

majority of LIA members will have - the 60 per cent who live outside the

Settlement Area now, Mr. Speaker. This is an example of why the land claims

process has an Agreement- in-Principle stage so the public can view the

Agreement-in-Principle, consider the likely outcome of the process, offer their

opinions, and negotiators can consider those views in the Final Agreement. That

is exactly what happened here, Mr. Speaker. The people spoke and the LIA and the

two governments listened. It is as simple as that.

An individual can only be a beneficiary of one land claims agreement at a

time, Mr. Speaker, but there may be cases where a person meets the criteria for

more than one claim. If an LMN land claim is accepted in the future, and some of

those people living outside the Inuit Settlement Area also qualify as

beneficiaries of an LMN claim, they may opt out of the Inuit claim and back into

the LMN claim at that time. There is nothing to prevent them from choosing to do

so.

At this point, we do not know whether the LMN claim will be accepted by the

one I have urged them, and this government have urged them, to make quickly. If

the LMN is able to demonstrate that the people it represents form a different

society of Inuit than that covered by the LIA Agreement, it may be able to have

its claim accepted, should it meet the accepted test for comprehensive land

claims in Canada. The LMN has been assured by the federal government that it

will assess their claim on this basis. There is nothing in this Agreement that

will prevent this decision from occurring. This Agreement will have no bearing

on whether or not the LMN claim is accepted. We expect the LMN claim to be

evaluated solely on it merits, and I have every confidence that the federal

government is examining their claim on that basis.

I want to once again, Mr. Speaker, assure members of this House and members

of the LMN that, should the federal government accept the LMN land claim, and

subject to our own independent assessment to ensure it meets the established

criteria, the Province will join with the federal government in settling that

claim. If the LMN claim is accepted, and overlaps with the Labrador Inuit

Settlement Area, then the LIA and the LMN must negotiate an overlap agreement,

as the LIA is doing now with the Innu Nation and the Nunavik Inuit of Quebec.

Furthermore, I say to this hon. House today that even if this Agreement would

negatively impact the Labrador Metis Nation - and we believe that it will not -

this government will not use anything in this Agreement to influence the federal

government in making a decision on the LMN land claim.

This Agreement constitutes the final settlement of the Aboriginal rights of

the Labrador Inuit in Canada, and exhaustively sets out the rights of the

Labrador Inuit, that are recognized and confirmed by

section 35 of the

Constitution Act, 1982. Government has negotiated a fair land claims agreement

for the Inuit, taking into account the general public and third party interests.

It pleases me greatly, Mr. Speaker, to have the support of both Opposition

parties this afternoon, and I am pleased to have an all-party agreement to have

this Legislature deal with this legislation today. The Crown's relationship

with the Aboriginal people of this Province truly transcends partisan politics.

I know that this is particularly significant to the Member for Torngat Mountains

who has worked hard on behalf of the Labrador Inuit for many years.

The next step is for the three parties to sign the Agreement, Mr. Speaker. A

signing ceremony, as I understand it, will take place in Nain early in the New

Year. The federal government will then introduce ratification legislation into

the House of Commons which we anticipate will happen in the spring of 2005. I

encourage our federal counterparts to ratify this Agreement expeditiously.

Mr. Speaker, there are so many people that deserve recognition for this

accomplishment. I have earlier referenced the Inuit ratification committee, but

I would also like to mention the President of the LIA, Mr. William Andersen III,

who is with us this afternoon, and the negotiating teams for the Labrador Inuit

dedication to reaching this Agreement.

In particular, I would like to thank the dedicated public servants who formed

the provincial negotiating team. This Agreement represents the culmination of

many years of hard work, persistence, resilience and creativity. I would like to

acknowledge and thank John Berniquez, Cheryl Brown-McLean, Mark Bugden, Ruby

Carter, Deanne Chafe, Mary Hatherly, David Hughes, Tracy King and Bob Warren who

were recently honoured with the 2003 Public Service Award of Excellence.

I would be remiss if I did not also take the opportunity to recognize the

co-operation and collaboration of countless other officials in government who

have assisted this group throughout the negotiation process.

I would also like to mention the directors and staff at the Labrador Inuit

Association. It would not be complete if I did not also recognize the Labrador

Inuit Association members who have since passed on. Their hard work and

determination is their legacy for the Labrador youth of today and for the

future.

This is a day of days for the Labrador Inuit, our Province and our

government. We have all worked incredibly hard and have waited decades for the

realization of this dream. I say to the Labrador Inuit Association and its

members, the Government of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador and Canada:

congratulations.

Kuruasuriurga Nunatsianit Pitaagasto. I apologize for mangling your beautiful

language, but for those who did not understand what I attempted to say in

Inuktitut, Mr. Speaker, what I said was: I am pleased that you have your

beautiful land.

I am humbled, pleased and privileged to move second reading of this bill.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. GRIMES: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I must say, I take it as quite an honour and a privilege myself to be in the

Legislature of Newfoundland and Labrador on what is one of the rare, but truly

historic days that we encounter as people who are entrusted by the people in the

Province to provide leadership and be involved in these kinds of very

significant advances for the Province.

Mr. Speaker, I will not take a long time. There are other members on our side

who are much closer to this and it is much more near and dear to their hearts

than for me personally. I am just so pleased to see us advancing as a Province

and as a group of people in Newfoundland and Labrador.

I know that the Member for Torngat Mountains and the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse

au Clair would like to speak in this debate. There may even be, as I understand

it, an opportunity to consider a potential amendment in the Committee stage with

respect to one aspect of this particular agreement that we will also participate

in.

Mr. Speaker, these few comments - because we are in second reading agreeing,

in principle, to the whole concept. We have with the Labrador Inuit Association

a group clearly recognized as the distinct Aboriginal Group in Canada, under the

laws of Canada, and their rights protected under the constitution, as was

pointed out by the minister in his commentary. We have now the culmination of

many long years of dedicated effort on behalf of a lot of people to get to where

we are today and where I hope we will be very shortly in the House of Commons,

the Parliament of Canada, so we can bring this process to its rightful and

proper conclusion.

I would mention, if I could at this point in time, one other significant

turning point from my own point of view because I have had the great privilege

of being a member of this Legislature for fifteen years; half the time that it

has taken the people to try to work out this arrangement. I thought I had been

here a long time but it is half as long as the people who have been trying to

bring this to a conclusion. So you can see, it is not simple, it is not easy, it

is very broad based, it is complex, it is comprehensive and it is the right

thing to do. It took a lot of people a lot of time to get it done but I think

there should be an era of celebration in accomplishing it.

One thing that did happen from the 1980s on through, and the time frames that

the minister pointed out when he was introducing the bill for second reading,

was that at points in time, even though there was a negotiation going on, it

stalled. There was not a lot of progress being made. Obviously, that is why it

took thirty years. There were some years when very little happened and some

years when a lot happened.

I think I would be remiss, from this side of the Legislature and representing

this particular party now in Opposition, if I did not acknowledge - because I

know of it from my own personal involvement - of the added impetus that went

towards getting to this point when Premier Tobin was here leading a Liberal

government, because he convened a series of extraordinary meetings in a process

that had stalled. Members of the negotiating committee and others would

recognize, I think, for a period of time at one point in that particular

juncture, there were a group of them, I think, cloistered in hotels in Montreal

and Ottawa for something like twelve or thirteen or fourteen days, and they

finally said: We need to move beyond the framework. We need to make sure we are

really going to make a push here. We are going to give this the extra effort. We

want all the negotiators to commit to getting to the agreement-in-principle,

which happened while he was the Premier. I think as much as could be said

historically, and historians will look at that, it could be said that there may

have been as much significant progress made in a three or four year period

because Premier Tobin believed in it personally and wanted the agenda to move

forward on a timely basis as maybe had happened in ten, twelve, or fifteen years

before that. Sometimes that extraordinary political leadership from the

provincial government, from the federal government, from the Labrador Inuit

Association itself needs to surface over a thirty-year period to make sure that

you do make significant progress and get to a point that we are at today.

We were very fortunate, by the way as well, in that same period of time

because we had the now President of the Labrador Inuit Association in our

caucus, in this Legislature. We were joined afterwards by the now Member for

Torngat Mountains and a retired member, Mr. McLean, from Happy Valley-Goose Bay,

who ended up with the ministerial responsibility for this very issue. They then,

because the leadership was shown by the Premier, knew full-well that they had

the full unfettered support of the provincial government in making significant

progress occur. The staff, of course - many of them I have met and many of them

are here today - have worked tirelessly and endlessly, along with the LIA

negotiators and the federal representatives over the years, but never harder

than they did in that three, four, or five year period getting to the

agreement-in-principle. Once that was reached, then there was still detail to be

done before you got to the final language which is in a document like this. It

is another great piece of work done in a fairly short period of time, compared

to the long history of the whole saga that has now led us to where we are today.

I think that what happened though is this, the representatives of the

Labrador Inuit Association never did get discouraged. They never did give up.

They always believed. I am sure there were times when they were very frustrated.

You would have to be, if you started a claim back in the 1970s and it is 2004,

and you are finally seeing a vote occur in a Legislature. They always believed

and all of their leaders and negotiators stayed true to the task, even through

the ebbs and flows, and we get to where we are today.

The other thing that the representatives of the Labrador Inuit Association

did is that they kept preparing themselves and their members for the new era

that they are about to walk into. A new era for them with, as the minister was

describing, a real opportunity to have a real say and to self-determine, in many

respects of their lives, what the future will be for the Inuit of Labrador.

Again, Mr. Speaker, I would only ask that the Premier today - and I commend

this government, as well, for on a timely basis moving the process to this

stage. Because, again, there are many items on the agenda for a government, and

hopefully will deal with it expeditiously, as soon as it passes this Legislature

and as soon as the signing ceremony is held - a full effort will go forward to

encourage them to do their last part on a timely basis.

I do commend this government for bringing the legislation forward now, in

this particular session, so that we could keep making the progress and getting

to that end date which is now only just a few short months away.

I would suggest as well, if I could, Mr. Speaker, to the Premier and the

government, that the same kind of leadership that I just ascribed to Premier

Tobin during his tenure, with respect to bringing this to this stage, is the

kind of leadership that I think people hope for in Labrador with respect to the

Labrador Innu claim, which again is at a certain stage of development and can be

pushed forward to an Agreement-in-Principle and to final conclusion with another

thrust from the provincial government and their own negotiators; because we have

the same kind of thing, as the minister would acknowledge, that is happening

where a claim that has been around for a long time has come nowhere close to

reaching the finalization that this particular claim rightfully is achieving

here in this Legislature today.

The other thing I would ask, Mr. Speaker, because I do agree with this fully

in principle, having been Premier of the Province in which we initialed the

final documents that are here, and having participated in several different

stages of the negotiations with different committees and different working

groups, I would ask that the assurances given by the minister with respect to

nothing that is happening here being prejudicial or possibly adversely or

negatively impacting the Labrador Metis Nation, that the same or similar words,

and just as strong, would be uttered by the Premier himself on behalf of the

government so that there is no misunderstanding; because I can say this with

absolute certainty, Mr. Speaker, that every single time I was involved in any

one of the issues with respect to this land claim for the Labrador Inuit

Association, there would be a point or a juncture in the session where people

would say, and the question would be asked: Now, are we all sure and confident

that what we are doing here is not going to adversely or negatively impact on

other claims that are also there before us in Labrador - the Innu claim and the

hopes and aspirations that the Labrador Metis Nation have as well?

The answer given to me, and other politicians and other officials who were in

the room, always was, as the minister stated today, that our understanding, the

government that I participated in, was that there isn't anything here that is

being done that would cause a problem for the aspirations and the hopes of the

Labrador Metis Nation or the Innu Nation that are in the process of a legitimate

claim as this point in time.

I think we cannot say that too strongly for the record, because that has been

my understanding of it in a full fifteen years of involvement with a government

in Newfoundland and Labrador and this Legislature that, that is the

circumstance. I think there would be, again, at least some comfort - I think the

Metis Nation, in particular, take some comfort - from the words of the minister,

and I am sure they take comfort if the same words are echoed in some similar

language by the Premier when he speaks to this issue.

The other thing that I would say, Mr. Speaker, and I will not take a long

time, is this: I recognize one particular gentleman who is here today, who is

going to have a role in Ottawa, and that is the Senator from Labrador, Senator

Rompkey. He, along with the Member of Parliament, Mr. O'Brien, will have a

real role to play in that next stage in terms of encouraging the Government of

Canada in that caucus to do in their Parliament what we are going to do here

today.

The reason I mention the Senator in this Chamber and this context is because,

with my father, I worked on election campaigns for the Senator dating back to

1972, when he was the Member for Grand Falls-White Bay-Labrador. So, either as

an elected member or as a Senator, I am saying, in my few comments here today,

that I have been around for half of this while he has been around for all of it.

I can tell you one thing, the Inuit of Labrador know that they have had a

constant supporter and friend in the Senator today, when he was an MP and now as

a Senator - when he was the MP for Labrador alone, the first ever MP for

Labrador separately in the House of Commons for Canada - and I know that they

can count on his support, along with Mr. O'Brien as the Member of Parliament,

same process that we are going through here today.

Mr. Speaker, I will conclude my few remarks, thereby encouraging those like

the Senator and the MP to take the lead from this Legislature today and push for

commend the Premier, the minister and the government, for doing this on a timely

basis here in Newfoundland and Labrador, the right thing to do at the right time

in our history.

I can tell you this: Given the opportunity that they will now seize with both

hands, and firmly, as a people in Labrador, the Labrador Inuit, all of them,

with their own new opportunities, they will stand on their own two feet. They

will seize and control their own destiny in a way they could only hope and dream

about before. I will tell you one thing that I am confident will happen: they

will help all of us build a greater and better Newfoundland and Labrador. I

commend everyone involved in the process.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak in this historic debate.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is indeed, as well, for me today, a great honour and a privilege to stand

here in this House, in this chair. I think it is appropriate that I spoke as the

third Premier. The former Premier spoke first, the recent Premier spoke second,

and I spoke third because I am the new - I cannot say I am the new kid on the

block - I am the new person on the block. I am delighted to be here. I am very

proud to be here. I am very privileged to be here, quite frankly. I just happen

to be in the right place at the right time, and will ultimately have the honour

of signing this Agreement when it is completed.

I certainly welcome you, Mr. Andersen, and your delegation. I welcome the

Senator. It is unfortunate that Mr. O'Brien is unable to be here with us

today. He played a critical role in this. I also welcome all the members in the

gallery, all the members of the LIA who are here with us today. It is truly an

historic occasion. I think the minister said it was a day of days, and well put.

It is a unique debate. It is a unique opportunity that we have here in this

House today, to talk about something that has never happened here before. It is

a very, very special moment. It is a very symbolic moment.

It is amazing that over a period of twenty-seven years this has happened;

but, again, as the minister said in introducing, or in speaking at second

reading, that it has transcended partisan politics truly. It is interesting that

it started with the Moores' government, and hopefully it will be concluded

quite soon with our government, but it has been the work of all governments.

I thank the hon. the Leader of the Opposition for acknowledging our

contribution, but it has only been a small one. This particular government's -

it has only been a small one. The hon. leader's government has moved this and

made a significant move when that was executed during your term, Sir.

As well, we acknowledge the contribution of former Premier Tobin, who

accelerated it. That is truly acknowledged. It certainly was a cause of his. I

know the work that he put into it. I was aware of it, and he certainly advanced

the file.

As the minister, of course, is aware, during the Peckford government this

moved forward, so it is truly a work of all of us and all parties. I think we

should all be proud of that, as well as the members for Labrador. Really, I

probably should have waited to hear the Member for Torngat because I am looking

forward to hearing him speak. He speaks in this House on behalf of his people

with great emotion. I have seen him at times being moved to tears on behalf of

his people. Sir, I admire you and I respect you for that. I am looking forward

to your comments as well.

It has been a collective effort. It is so nice to see this happen. We can

come together on things, and we do come together on things, and things that are

in the best interest of the people of our Province. It is so nice to see it

work. We have done everything we can, as a government, and we made a commitment

to Mr. Andersen that we would try to expedite this and fast-track it and do

absolutely everything that we could in order to bring it to fruition and to

finalize this matter. Twenty-seven years is a long time. I practiced law for

over thirty years. It seems like a lifetime for this negotiation to have gone on

so long, but it is truly a credit to your negotiators, to the negotiators, the

public service, everybody who has been involved in this. It has been and it is a

difficult process. It is a very complex negotiation. What you have achieved here

is something absolutely remarkable. It is historic because it is the last, of

course, in the country, but it is the first in our Province. What has been done

has been a labour of love, I am sure, but there has been a lot of hard work. You

have a very good product here, and I think that everybody is certainly delighted

with it.

What has happened here is fundamental justice. It was interesting this

morning when I heard the remarks of Mr. Andersen. I just took some notes as to

what he said: It is a new era of trust. We have now reached maturity. He talked

about a shared commitment. He talk about unity and hope. He talked about hope

and pride and self-determination.

That is really what it is all about. It is interesting when we speak as a

Province and we talk about our relationship, Newfoundland and Labrador's

relationship with Canada. We talk about self-determination, being masters of our

own destiny, and self-sufficiency, and having pride and having respect, and that

is really what it is all about for you and your people, except to a greater

degree. You were there before the Europeans; you were there before the Vikings.

Your people really have not gotten the respect that they truly deserve. There

has been some social injustice that has been committed with your people, and

that is now finally being corrected. It is wonderful, absolutely wonderful, to

be part of that and see it come to fruition. It must give you tremendous

satisfaction to have done this.

I know this morning you acknowledged the leaders who have gone before you,

and the work that has gone into it, and the dedication and the devotion, but for

your people - and I saw it when I travelled to the North Coast, and again I

mentioned it during Question Period, I do thank the hon. member for inviting me

there. I had been up before, but not on the same type of trip, and you cannot

believe it and you cannot appreciate it until you get to see it first-hand, and

you see exactly what you are doing for your people but also the difficulties

that your people experience. Again, I cannot help but keep repeating it, you see

it in the children. The children have a chance. They are young enough to have a

chance. What you are doing in self-government is now finally giving them that

hope. You even used the word hopelessness; it is now hopefully gone away this

morning, and we remove that by having self-government. Now, there is a whole new

opportunity for a type of independence whereby they can have that self-respect.

I think they can feel, as a people and as young people, that they have a future

and they can work towards the future.

Having done this is a huge step forward, and what it does is creates a

positive relationship between our governments, a positive relationship between

the provincial government, the federal government, and your government, Sir.

Whatever we can do in order to help that, we certainly will.

I must say I was moved, though, by the needs that are there, with the

Aboriginal people and particularly with the Inuit people. I think we have to

address that, the social injustice that has happened over the years and the

price that has been paid by people who are now adults. We do have a chance, we

have a chance as a government and as a people to make a real difference here,

and we cannot just pay lip service to it. Fortunately, we have the strong voices

of people, like the Member for Torngat, who are able to put those issues before

us and keep them in our face, for want of a better term. Mr. Andersen and his

group, the people who work for you, the support staff that you have with you,

the people who are communicating for you, they are getting that message out.

As I said today, as well, there are some interesting relationships that have

developed now in the Province. The former Premier and the Minister of Aboriginal

Affairs have a relationship with Paul Okalik from Nunuvut, who you yourself have

a relationship with. When I am at First Ministers' Conferences, the Premier of

Nunuvut mentions the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and yourself. We are now,

sort of, having more of a national relationship that is developing and we can

learn from our own experiences and we can do things better and hopefully do them

right and even improve on what has happened before in this country. I am hoping

that your government, Sir, will be a model government for the entire country,

and I certainly look forward to that.

The other thing, of course, is just from an economic perspective. There is an

opportunity here now, there is a lot of funding that is going to be going into

setting up your government. It is a statement to the world that you now have an

economic opportunity, that, as a Province, we are now going to be working in

conjunction. It is, I think, a very positive statement to the rest of the

country, that we will be working together with Nunatsiavut in order to develop

the North. We have tremendous opportunity, we have tremendous opportunity in

Voisey's Bay which is now proceeding and, of course, your government will have

a percentage of that. In fact, we hope through negotiation with the federal

government we can eventually increase that percentage, because your percentage

is a percentage of our percentage, and as our percentage goes up so will yours,

and that will mean a greater return to your people. As well, if there are any

new finds in that particular area, of course, you will get 25 per cent of that.

That will give you an opportunity to get the funding.

What is really is the analogies are the same with our own province, because

as we try to develop Newfoundland and Labrador we are asking, through things

like the Atlantic Accord, to get a bigger piece of our action, to have a bigger

stake in what are our own resources. That is exactly what you are asking for

yourself and that you are receiving as a result of this. It is interesting how

similar we are in a lot of ways. We haven't gone through the same hardship, as

a people, that you have, but we have the same issues of independence, integrity,

respect, dignity, self-determination and masters of our own destiny and just

moving forward. This is an opportunity, I think, for your people to get the

self-confidence that they need, that we all need as a people within this great

country of Canada.

involvement. The Leader of the Opposition spoke very highly of Senator Romkey

and his contribution to Labrador, which has been significant, Sir, and I

certainly commend you for that. He still does it. He is still an advocate. He is

championing our causes now, as we speak, in Ottawa on issues like the Atlantic

Accord. I was away at school in 1972, otherwise I would have worked for you as

well if I had been in the Grand Falls area, but unfortunately I did not have the

opportunity. A great Newfoundlander and particularly, a great Labradorian.

It is people like Senator Romkey and other people in this Province, and the

Member of Parliament, Lawrence O'Brien, who have done wonderful things for

their area, for their districts. That is where the real pride of Newfoundlanders

and Labradorians comes because we all pull together on issues. The fact that we

have gotten over our partisan politics and moved together in such an expeditious

manner, even recently, I think is a credit to all of us.

The other thing I want to mention too, and I mentioned this morning in my

remarks at the press conference. This is not about doing a favour for the Inuit

people. This is not about giving them some undeserved special treatment or

caving into unreasonable demands. This is about giving your people what they are

entitled to. It is fundamental justice. It is long overdue. They will get what

they deserve and it has finally come. It is unfortunate that it has taken so

long to do it, but it is very fortunate that it has happened. In our lifetime we

can see it and hopefully we will see the fruits of your labour and the fruits of

the labour of all the people who have been involved in this process.

I can say, in conclusion, that it will allow us all to move forward

individually and collectively for a stronger, more prosperous and a more

resilient Newfoundland and Labrador, and your government, Sir. As well, we are

all so very appreciative of one anothers cultures, one anothers heritage, one

anothers gifts and what we bring together as a community and as a community of

Newfoundland and Labrador and the new community of Nunatsiavut.

I thank you very much for all your efforts. I thank everybody who has been

involved in this. I commend all governments. As I said, we were fortunate enough

to come in on the end of this very, very important occasion. To be part of it is

just indeed a great honour. My hat is off to you, Sir, and my hat is off to your

people. We look forward to working with you and your new government.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MR. HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I, too, am singularly honoured to be present today for what has been referred

to as a historic moment for Newfoundland and Labrador and, in particular, the

Inuit people of Labrador who have achieved an agreement that establishes for

them, and for us, a new government within our Province, the Government of

Nunatsiavut.

For anybody who knows the history of Canada and in particular, the history of

this Province, the advent of Aboriginal rights and recognition of Aboriginal

rights to the extent that they are recognized today has been slow in coming. The

achievement of an agreement after twenty-seven years is one indication of this

but the fact that the past twenty-seven years have been spent in debating,

considering, looking at what might be, have also assisted the parties and in

particular, the Inuit, in achieving a better agreement; an agreement that they

are now satisfied and have ratified and wish to have implemented, because things

have changed.

Even in the last twenty-seven years we have seen the recognition in our

Constitution nationally of Aboriginal rights and the requirement of governments,

recognize Aboriginal rights, and accept and defend and promote the kind of

self-determination and self-government, such as is contained in this Agreement

here today. That is what we are doing today, in addition to acknowledging and

ratifying through legislation an agreement, we are creating in part ourselves,

government that is not provincial, that is not federal, that is municipal.

When you look at the powers set out in the agreement for self-government, it

sets out the powers of the Nunatsiavut government in environmental protection,

in education, in health, in lands, in social family youth and children services,

in housing, intergovernmental affairs and many other aspects of the government

that we, in this Province, in this Legislature, take for granted and pass laws

with respect thereto for the people of Newfoundland and Labrador. So, this is

indeed an historic occasion and I am very fortunate to be a Member of this House

of Assembly and to sit here and participate in seeing this come to fruition.

I do want to also congratulate all those who have been a part of this over

the years in terms of providing the leadership from the very beginning,

providing the assistance and advice that the Inuit have received and that has

been a part of the piece that is extremely important. Because this is a treaty

but it is not the kind of treaty that we have come to disrespect in this country

in the past where the treaty rights and the treaties that were signed were

designed to take things away from Aboriginal people on behalf of the government,

that the treaties are sometimes used to insist that Aboriginals have given up

their rights. This is a treaty reached by a self-governing people who have the

right to decide, through referendum with legal advice, with assistance for many

years, to come to an agreement that they make freely and themselves. I think

that is an important distinction as a modern treaty, a modern agreement that

acknowledges and respects the right of the Aboriginal people, to have the

agreement meet their needs as well as reach whatever compromises that need to be

Labrador.

As an individual, as a member for the Legislature and as Leader of the New

Democratic Party of Newfoundland and Labrador, I am very pleased to endorse this

legislation and to be a part of seeing it come before the House of Assembly and

be passed and go on to be recognized across the country.

As well, looking at this agreement, looking at what has taken place, we have

to recognize that this is something of long-term significance as well. The act

of the Labrador Inuit and the leadership in bringing this agreement about, I

also have to say is

an act of courage. It is

an act of courage to come to an

agreement that is going to have long-term significant impact on the Inuit people

of Labrador. I know that the negotiations, the responsibility for convincing, to

the extent that it was done, the Labrador Inuit people that this was an

opportunity for them to accept is something - that responsibility weighs heavily

on the shoulders of the people who were involved. I think we ought to recognize

that here in this House, as well, and governments ought to recognize that in the

future, that this agreement, we hope, will stand the test of time, and thirty

years from now the Inuit can look back and say this day was a day that started

the process of taking us forward, satisfying our need for self-determination,

being the key that brought about the advancement of the Labrador Inuit people.

We also have to recognize that just as many people in this Province have

concerns about Confederation, have concerns about the Terms of Union, that there

may need to be some adjustments in the future; that if indeed this agreement

does not satisfy the needs and aspirations of the

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