Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 5 April 2006 (45th General Assembly, 3rd Session, Vol. XLV No. 8)

2006-04-05

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 5 April 2006 (45th General Assembly, 3rd Session, Vol. XLV No. 8)

2006-04-05

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

April 5, 2006 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

PROCEEDINGS Vol. XLV No. 8

The House met at 2:00 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Hodder): Order, please!

Admit strangers.

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

This afternoon we have members' statements as follows: the hon. the Member

for the District of Grand Bank; the hon. the Member for the District of Lake

Melville; the hon. the Member for the District of Carbonear-Harbour Grace; the

hon. the Member for the District of Gander; and, the hon. the Member for the

District of Port de Grave.

The Chair recognizes the Member for the District of Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to extend congratulations to the Lawn

Mustangs. The senior boys at Holy Name of Mary Academy in Lawn claimed the 2006

provincial 2A high school basketball championship banner last weekend.

Nine teams participated in the tournament which was co-hosted by the

champions and the St. Lawrence Academy Blues. The Mustangs captured a thrilling

59-58 home court victory over Dunne Academy of St. Mary's. It was their first

provincial basketball title since 1991.

James Grant was named the team's Most Sportsmanlike Player for the

tournament. Team members include: Robert Lambe, Travis Edwards, Andrew Strong,

James Grant, George Edwards, Jonathan Dunphy, Kenny Edwards, Justin Keating,

Justin Power, David Baggs, Gerard Lundrigan, Lyle Edwards, and coach Scott

Bishop.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this House to join me in congratulating the

Lawn Mustangs on their provincial win.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Lake Melville.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HICKEY: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise in the House today to acknowledge the hard work and

dedication of a constituent of mine, Mr. Don Davis. Mr. Davis first came to

Happy Valley-Goose Bay as a young man of eighteen, back in 1956, and as of March

7 of this year has lived in the area for fifty years. For the last forty-eight

years he has been employed on the Base in a variety of positions which I would

like to recognize today.

He first went to work as a cleaner, for nine months in 1956, and in January

of 1957 went to work as a trainee in the steam plant on the Base in Goose Bay.

He worked there for a year before being promoted to turbine operator, where he

stayed for ten years. He then moved into the position of lead boiler operator,

where he stayed until 1991, before becoming maintenance foreman at the Steam

Plant until his retirement in 1996.

Mr. Speaker, however, he did not stay idle for long as he came back to the

Base in 1998 as an employee of Serco, as a 3 rd Class Engineer at the

Steam Plant. In total, he has worked sixteen-and-a-half years for the Americans

at Goose Bay, twenty-three-and-a-half years for the Department of National

Defence, and the last eight year with Serco.

Mr. Davis is a credit to his employers, past and present, and to the Base as

a whole, for his strong dedication and commitment to his career.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask all Members of the House of Assembly today

to join me as we congratulate Mr. Davis on fifty years of employment at the Base

in Goose Bay.

Thank you very much.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Carbonear-Harbour

Grace.

MR. SWEENEY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am please to rise today to congratulate the Carbonear Collegiate male and

female wrestling teams who have each won banners at the 2006 School Sport

Newfoundland and Labrador High School Provincial Wrestling Championships held on

February 17 and February 18, hosted by Templeton Academy.

The Boys Sentinels captured seven out of eighteen possible gold medals, along

with four silver and two bronze. The Ladies Sentinels secured three gold, three

silver and two bronze medals for forty-six team points. Twelve senior high

schools from around Newfoundland and Labrador attended the two day tournament.

Mr. Speaker, wrestling has come a long way in the Trinity-Conception area in

recent years. According to their coach, Randy Ralph, wrestlers leave school, go

on to universities and compete at national levels. Over the past four years,

Carbonear Collegiate has won a total of five provincial banners.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this House to join with me in

congratulating the Boys and Ladies Sentinels on winning banners at the 2006

School Sport Newfoundland and Labrador High School Provincial Wrestling

Championships.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Gander.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. O'BRIEN: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognize the life of a

long-time resident and accomplished educator from Gander. Mr. Eric Norman

recently passed away after a four year battle with cancer. Mr. Norman was

sixty-eight years old and lived each day to the fullest, as he kept active

within the Town of Gander and within the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

He was the Chair of the Council of Canadians with Disabilities and he

Mr. Norman was also well respected in the field of education. As a teacher

and an administrator in the Province, Mr. Norman spent many years leading his

colleagues in the development of the best possible educational options for

students. He has often been called an innovator and a leader in curriculum

development. Mr. Norman's commitment to Newfoundland and Labrador also came

through in his work with this Province's artists. He established a visiting

artists program that saw people like Fergus O'Byrne and Cassie Brown visit

schools to read and speak with students.

It was not only in his passing that Mr. Norman drew praise. When he retired

fifteen years ago, a book of tributes was published. In one contribution Ms

Helen Porter said it all. She wrote: Eric Norman's name should be known to and

remembered by everybody interested in the literary history of this Province. I

cannot think of anybody else who has made such a valuable contribution.

Mr. Speaker, I ask that all members of this hon. House join me in recognizing

the life and accomplishments of this tremendous Newfoundlander and Labradorian.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am pleased today to rise to congratulate Jessica Mercer, a student of Holy

Redeemer, Spaniards's Bay, who is the regional winner of the Brown Bag

Project, sponsored by the Citizens' Crime Prevention Association of

Newfoundland and Labrador.

The Brown Bag Project is an anti-drinking and driving awareness project

carried out with Grade 4 and Grade 5 students throughout the Province.

The Citizens' Crime Prevention Association of Newfoundland and Labrador

heads up the competition. This association is committed to identifying and

eliminating problems, such as drinking and driving, and providing supports

wherever needed.

Mr. Speaker, students were asked to draw a picture on the brown bags that

expressed anti-drinking and driving messages. Each regional winner is selected

at random. More than 12,000 brown bags were distributed to the schools. Those

bags, Mr. Speaker, will be redistributed for use to the liquor stores throughout

the Province to promote the message during Victoria Day weekend.

I ask all members of this House to join with me in congratulating Jessica

Mercer, regional winner in the Spaniard's Bay area.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Statements by ministers.

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, tonight teachers from across Newfoundland and

Labrador will gather in St. John's for the inaugural Arts Work Conference.

Teachers from every region of the Province will connect with the many

dedicated artists who bring our rich culture and heritage to life.

Over the next two days, teachers will interact with artists through workshops

and presentations. This, in turn, will help them deliver exciting and innovative

classes in art, music and theatre arts.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, I am especially pleased today to inform my hon.

colleagues that we will invest $25,000 to bring back the Visiting Artists

Program - which was the victim of funding cuts in the mid 1990s. We have heard

that this program was highly valued by our teachers and students and that

exposure to different artists can have a tremendous impact on our students.

In response, we will partner with the Newfoundland and Labrador Teachers'

Association and the Arts Council to establish a Visiting Artists Program. It

will significantly increase the number of local actors, writers and visual

artists who will visit our schools and work directly with students and teachers.

The aim of this work, Mr. Speaker, is to make it possible for teachers in every

school in Newfoundland and Labrador to invite artists into their classrooms. It

will also complement our ArtsSmarts and Learning Through the Arts programs.

The new Visiting Artists Program and the Arts Work Conference are excellent

examples of the many initiatives stemming from our three year, $10 million

Cultural Connections Strategy.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: We are making great strides in increasing cultural content in

the school curriculum and fostering links between artists and students in the

school environment.

I am very proud of the investments this government is making in arts and

culture, from the Cultural Connections Strategy, to the recently announced

investment of over $17 million for the Province's first cultural plan.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: We have much to celebrate during this Month of the Arts,

declared yesterday by my colleague, Minister Tom Hedderson.

I would like to acknowledge the organizations that have worked tirelessly on

our first Arts Work Conference: the Arts Council, the Newfoundland and Labrador

Teachers' Association, the Eastern School District and The Rooms. I wish all

teachers an exciting and informative session.

We are already looking forward to future conferences to be held in different

regions of the Province and, of course, the launch of the new Visiting Artists

Program later this month.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

First of all, I want -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair recognizes the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I want to thank the minister for an advanced copy of her statement and to say

that we, on this side of the House, welcome all the teachers to the Arts Work

Conference here in St. John's this weekend. I can assure you that we are very

positive and welcome anything for the cultures and arts in this Province of

ours.

Mr. Speaker, I know that the minister announced they are putting $25,000 back

into the program. I hope that the Newfoundland and Labrador Teachers'

Association and the Arts Council will be putting more money than that into it,

because if they are going to try to get artists to every school in this

Province, I do not think the $25,000 will go very far.

The other thing, I would also like to acknowledge the other organizations and

thank them for their support in organizing this conference this weekend.

I will also say to the minister and the hon. members opposite, if they would

give me another second, I want to say, Mr. Speaker, she said that they were

pleased to bring back the funds that were victimized during the mid-1990s. Well,

I say, Madam Minister, we would like for you to bring back some of the 500

teachers you slashed over the last two years, and then this program will be a

truly good announcement, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Colleagues, we have only just begun the afternoon and we are doing statements

by ministers.

The Chair recognizes the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MR. HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is nice to -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. HARRIS: Perhaps I should ask for leave first, Mr. Speaker, before I -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. HARRIS: Perhaps I should ask for leave -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I am asking members -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! Order, please!

I am asking all members for their co-operation.

The Chair recognizes the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MR. HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is nice to see the Minister of Education with a smile on her face when she

delivers a statement in the House. It is a lot more fun than tearing up

consultants' reports or speaking in Answers to Questions on school closures.

Mr. Speaker, this is clearly a positive statement and a positive step.

Support for the arts and the arts community has been a long-standing part of our

Party's policy, and this member's. In fact, Mr. Speaker, you might have

noticed that the story, the film biography of Tommy Douglas, noted at the end

one of the firsts for the Saskatchewan government was that the Saskatchewan

government or Tommy Douglas was the first provincial government in Canada to

provide funding for the arts and an arts council. It is something that we

support very much, Mr. Speaker.

You are looking at your stopwatch. I am going to ask for leave in advance of

your statement, Mr. Speaker. May I have leave to continue, ladies and gentlemen?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time has expired. Does the member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: By leave.

MR. HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The arts, particularly the arts in the classroom, is a very important part of

our cultural heritage. Not only do students get a chance to experience, through

the ArtsSmarts program and other programs, actual participation in arts

activities themselves, whether it be visual arts or otherwise, but the visiting

artists who travel around, whether it be performing artists, visual artists,

playwrights or whatever, are able to not only show students parts of our culture

but also inspire them to have an interest in our culture, and potentially being

artists or writers or performers themselves.

It is a very positive hands-on program that offers a lot to our students

across the Province, and I, for one, am very glad to see that this program is

continuing and being restored as the minister has said.

MR. SPEAKER: Further Statements by Ministers?

Oral Questions.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions are for the Premier.

Mr. Speaker, there are 350 people without work at the Fortune FPI plant since

last April, I believe. There are another 650 people who have been without work

in Marystown since early January. That is when they normally go back to work.

The Premier involves himself personally in the oil and gas industry, but he says

and does nothing about our fishing industry.

I ask the Premier: What discussions has he personally had with FPI in the

last couple of weeks to try and do something to get those 1,000 people on the

Burin Peninsula back to work?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, unlike previous administrations we have very competent Ministers

of Fisheries, and they handle the affairs in the department. They are interested

in finding out what is going on. They know what is going on. As a matter of

fact, our Minister of Fisheries today is attending a very important meeting on

behalf of the people of the Province to deal with a very important industry,

which is the sealing industry.

You can see by the results that we have had from the Larry King show, you can

see by what is happening with Costco, you can see by what happened to Pamela

Anderson the other night, that we are winning this war on seals, and he is at a

very important meeting (inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Having said that, as recently as last week, we had a

senior level meeting in government with senior ministers, caucus members, with

regard to the FPI matter. When it comes to dealing with the company directly,

the Minister of Fisheries has been dealing on that matter.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Premier always resorts to personal attacks when he does not want to

answer a question. I asked him if he had any meetings himself, personally, with

FPI. He just answered no, he has not.

Mr. Speaker, the Premier is willing to do battle with the largest oil

companies in the world, but he allows FPI and its board of directors to run

roughshod over thousands of people in this Province.

I ask the Premier: When are you going to stand up for the people in towns

like Marystown, Harbour Breton, Fortune, Bonavista, Burin, Triton, and Port au

Choix? I ask the Premier: When are you going to do something for those people?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: We stand on our record, Mr. Speaker.

The Member for Bellevue, for example, knows what we did in Arnold's Cove to

stand up for the people in his district. Three hundred people, basically, saved

their jobs. Never had an approach from you, never had a conversation with you.

You never knocked on the door, you never inquired, you never bothered. Now, all

of a sudden, every pretends they are really interested. Well, we are extremely

interested in the people in Marystown, extremely interested in the people in

Burin, and extremely interested in the people in every community in this

Province, and we will stand up and we will fight for every single one of them.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: The minute I sit down and I have a meeting with FPI,

you will be on your feet saying I am a buddy of Mr. Risley.

Well, let me tell you very clearly for the record, I am certainly not a buddy

of Mr. Risley or anyone on that board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Premier talks about his and his government's record. We have

Stephenville closed, we have Harbour Breton closed, we have Fortune closed, and

we have Marystown closed. Most of the areas in rural Newfoundland today are

closed.

Mr. Speaker, the Premier's Minister of Fisheries has said on several

occasions, both in and out of the House, that he is prepared to amend the FPI

act to strengthen it for the people of this Province.

I ask the Premier: Is this just another one of the Minister of Fisheries'

many rants, that he is apt to do in recent days, or can we reasonably expect to

see amendments to the FPI legislation before this House closes, or are we going

to be called back later in the summer, when FPI itself wants to amend the act,

like we did last summer?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I will just remind the hon. Leader of the Opposition that, when

the FPI Board of Directors changed in 2001, his Premier, the Premier that he was

the Minister of Fisheries under, when he was visited by the new Board of

Directors, informed everybody in Newfoundland and Labrador that he did not have

enough interest to ask the people any questions about their plans for FPI.

Maybe, Mr. Speaker, if the Premier of the Province in 2001, the hon. Roger

Grimes, and the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture at the time, the Member

for Twillingate & Fogo, had enough interest to ask some questions, we would

not find ourselves in the situation that we are here today.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: As it stands, Mr. Speaker, this government has been

consistently asking questions of FPI. We have had access to their books. We are

doing an evaluation of the financial state of FPI. We have indicated our

willingness to amend the FPI Act, if required; and, if we have to come back the

middle of July to do it, we will. I do not know if they are willing to be here

but we will be, Mr. Speaker!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: A final question, Mr. Speaker.

I say to the minister, in the words of his leader, the Premier: Harbour

Breton did not close under my watch. Fortune did not close under my watch.

Marystown did not close under my watch.

When are you going to do something? Don't say, if the legislation is

required. When are you going to change the legislation so we can put those 1,000

people back to work? - something they were doing when I was the minister!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I will say to the Leader of the Opposition, Mr. Speaker, that he sowed the

seeds in FPI. He sowed the seeds. He and his government sowed the seeds of

destruction that we are seeing in the fishing industry today.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: It was his government that licensed all the shrimp plants. It

was his government that licensed all the crab plants. It was his government that

sat and did nothing about the structural problems in the fishing industry while

the Canadian dollar was at sixty-five cents and they could get away with it, and

the price of crab was at $2.50, and the price of foreign-sourced cod was at

$2,000 a ton.

Mr. Speaker, the world has changed. The price of foreign-sourced cod is

$3,500 a ton today, and the Canadian dollar is at eighty-six cents. If he does

not recognize that, make no wonder he did no more with the fishery when he was

Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture than he did.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions are for the Premier. They relate to the cessation of

negotiations between the Province and the Hebron-Ben Nevis ownership group.

Premier, you were prepared to accept a 4.9 per cent equity position - and

apparently that was acceptable to the partners, according to your statements.

Would we have compromised any managerial and operational input by accepting a

4.9 per cent equity state versus your original request for 8.5 per cent?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In your own works, hon. House Leader, we do need the equity position. That is

what this hon. gentleman said in an interview just two nights ago: We do need

the equity position. The Premier is quite right on that. We should wait if we

have to wait.

Two nights ago you agreed with the fact that we are looking for an equity

position. We have a 4.9 per cent agreement on an equity position. That was a

number that could have facilitated a deal. If we had that equity position, we

could probably get, on a return from it, with above $50 oil - probably $140

million a year from a 4.9 per cent equity position. If that is ten years, that

is $1.4 billion. What else do you want?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Premier, I guess you did not get the question I asked. It

had nothing to do with the economic return we would have on the equity share.

My question was: Does it make a difference in terms of the Province's

managerial and operational input if we have a 4.9 per cent share versus an 8.5

per cent share? That was my question. It is not related to the economics of what

the share would generate.

This was my question: Does it make a difference to us if it is a 4.9 per cent

versus 8.5 per cent in terms of managerial and operational input? Because it is

my understanding that if you own less than 5 per cent - and I stand to be

corrected, that is why I am asking the question. If you have less than 5 per

cent, you do not have any say in managerial and operational operations.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, the hon. gentleman does not need to be

corrected or stand to be corrected. He knows what I said when I was asked

questions over the last two days.

The reason we went from 8.5 per cent to below 5 per cent was because 5 per

cent was a critical turning point in the joint venture agreement. The partners

could not unanimously deliver more than 5 per cent to the Province of

Newfoundland. Under that circumstance, there would be absolutely no agreement

whatsoever. Four point nine percent is critical because when you get to 5 per

cent there is an absolute veto right on all decisions.

This Province, in order to achieve 4.9 per cent, which could probably give us

$1.5 billion additional return over time, was prepared to concede a veto right.

We are not interested in a veto right on the project. That is the reason.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you.

I appreciate the straightforward answer.

Premier, you told this House yesterday, when questioned about the

negotiations, that the negotiations ended because the Hebron-Ben Nevis ownership

group had reverted to the January 26 position. Two answers later you said that

the group had gotten cute - was your word - and they tried to change their

January 26 agreement. Given your use of these two, very different words, the

January 26 position and the January 26 agreement, which is it? Because depending

on whether January 26 was a position of theirs or an agreement that you had, it

makes a lot of difference, and I think we ought to know what was what.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, if we had an agreement on January 26, what

did we spend the next seventy days talking about? Really, (inaudible).

It was a January 26 position. That is exactly what it was. It was a position

that had been negotiated down from their position over the course of two months.

That is what was done between Mr. Martin and Mr. Bates, with intervention by us

at certain points in time. What they did on last Thursday night, when we finally

got down to the two final issues - which was equity and super royalty. When we

had agreement on those issues, they reverted to the January 26 position, which

included investment tax credits, which would have cost the Province about a half

billion dollars. So, you had four companies that, collectively in revenues last

year, made $590 billion and were looking for our Province to give them another

half billion dollars. That simply was not on.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Premier, could you tell the House if it is correct that the Hibernia

ownership group are now not going to go forward with their planned expenditures

in the tune of millions of dollars? As I understand it, they had a planned

expansion of the Hibernia production facility to develop the Hibernia south

project. Is it correct that they do not intend to go forward with that now?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I do not know if the member opposite is taking a shot in the

dark or if he has some information, but there is no planned expenditure for

Hibernia, in what he is talking about. If there is, it would be coming forward

to the Canada-Newfoundland Offshore Petroleum Board as the regulator. Following

that, they would have to file a development plan application. Following that,

with the decisions on that, they are all fundamental decisions, it would have to

come to the desk of the provincial government, who have absolute control and

right over fundamental decisions.

To the best of my knowledge, and this is to the best of my knowledge that was

updated very recently, there is no development plan application before the

Canada-Newfoundland Offshore Petroleum Board. There is no plan for the further

expansion yet, I might add, from the Hibernia Management Development Company,

and when and if that comes, we will deal with it on its merits and on the face

of it. But, if the member has some additional information that he would like to

offer, that he believes he has, than I would like to hear it.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions are for the Minister of Health.

On Tuesday the minister misinformed the House, saying that drugs for MS

patients and for patients suffering from various forms of arthritis are fully

covered by the Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS JONES: This only applies to people - Mr. Speaker, the minister knows

that this only applies to people on social assistance and with drug cards.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair recognizes the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

If the member is putting a question, I would ask her to do so.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, the minister fully knows that this applies only to

people on social assistance with drug cards. Mr. Speaker, of the 1,030 people in

the Province diagnosed multiple sclerosis, only 400 of them actually -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I am asking members for their co-operation and I ask the member now if she

would put her question.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Of the 1,030 people in the Province diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, only

400 of them actually receive the therapies that are prescribed. The rest cannot

afford it.

I ask the minister, was this a right choice to exclude the other 600

patients?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: First of all, Mr. Speaker, let me say that I take great

offence to the member's comments. There was no misleading of the House here.

MS drugs and drugs for arthritis - which is what she asked about last week in

the House. MS drugs were made available eight years ago. Arthritis drugs were

made available last year. They are available under the Prescription Drug

Program, as are any other drugs available under that program, to everybody in

the Province who qualifies. This year, Mr. Speaker, in this year's Budget, we

doubled the number of people who qualify under the Prescription Drug Program for

those drugs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, I ask the minister to qualify his statement by

saying these drugs are only available to people on social assistance, and that

is the fact of the matter. There are 600 people out there today in our Province

who cannot afford these drugs which cost them anywhere from $17,000 to $28,000

annually.

I ask the minister: Every other province in Canada has a co-pay system for

all patients who want to use those drugs, why isn't he prepared to implement

the same?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, drug cards in this Province are provided on an income-tested

basis, not only to social services but on an income-tested basis. In this year's

Budget we increased the threshold to allow for people who earned an income, so

that the number of people in this Province go from approximately 20 per cent to

approximately 40 per cent. That is a huge number of the people in the Province

who now have access to affordable drugs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, can the minister confirm that the threshold that

has been raised to $30,000 for families with an income of $30,000 does not

provide them free drugs, but in fact only provides them a subsidy, and in some

cases that subsidy is as low as 30 per cent.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Again, Mr. Speaker, drug cards are provided on an

income-tested basis. Under what we have announced in this year's Budget, the

subsidies for people who are working who will now qualify for drug cards on an

affordable basis are as high as 70 per cent as well. They range from 30 per cent

subsidy to a 70 per cent subsidy. The fact of the matter is we have now made

available, to 20 per cent of the people of the Province, drugs on an affordable

basis, up from approximately 20 per cent. Now, 40 per cent of the people of this

Province have access to affordable drugs. It is a heck of a whole lot better

than they provided when they were in government, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, in light of the government's new fiscal wealth,

not only are these patients going without drugs, but many of them are losing the

nursing resources they have. As of Friday, the multiple sclerosis nurse who

provides services out of St. John's to a large part of the Avalon, to the

Burin Peninsula, is having her position terminated.

Can the minister tell me why that is?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of that. I will certainly

look into it. I do know that under this year's Budget we are providing an

additional thirty-nine nursing positions throughout the Province. I will look

into this particular situation because I am not aware of it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, maybe the minister would like to tell patients

like Brenda Hickey of Harbour Breton that her arthritis medication is covered,

because it is not. The mother of two is laid off from FPI, no longer with any

health insurance, and now she finds herself in a position where she has to buy

very expensive drugs and therefore she is going without them.

Mr. Speaker, this program is not looking after middle-income and low-income

earners in the way that it should. When are you going to use some of the surplus

money that you have, to ensure that people like Brenda Hickey have the coverage

they need?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Mr. Speaker, this government is committed to providing

quality health care and to providing affordable drugs to people in this

Province.

Mr. Speaker, I have great sympathy for the person that the member opposite

has just inquired about. I have great sympathy for any individual in this

Province who has to face the cost of catastrophic drugs. The reality is, we are

moving in the right direction. We can only do so much within available

resources. We have increased, this year, the number of people who qualify for

affordable drugs by 100,000 people.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. T. OSBORNE: This individual, hopefully, this year, Mr. Speaker, under

the new program, will qualify for a subsidy under the provincial drug program.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, Brenda Hickey has psoriatic arthritis, and

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians are three times the national average when it

comes to this disease. So, given the fact that there are about 2,500 people in

our Province affected by this disease, today 150 of them are going without

medication, I say to the minister. That was information confirmed by the

physicians. One hundred and fifty of them affected by psoriatic arthritis today

are going without medication, three times greater than the national average. Can

I ask the minister if he will provide the money to cover drugs for these people?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Mr. Speaker, I will remind the member who, at one point,

was the Minister of Health, of two things. First of all, I find it very

unfortunate that she will bring personal cases to the floor of the House of

Assembly without first approaching me and asking me to look into these

individual cases. Furthermore, when the member was Minister of Health, they did

not double the number of people who qualified for affordable drugs in this

Province.

This government, in this year's Budget, has increased the number of people

who qualify for affordable drugs by almost 100,000 people. This government is

showing compassion for the people who cannot afford drugs. We are making drugs

affordable.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. R. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Health and Community Services as well.

I want to ask the minister what his department is doing about the fact that,

in this entire Province, there are six orthodontists who mainly travel through

the larger centres of the Province so that people can come in and have access. I

want to ask the minister if his department is actively seeking the services of

more orthodontists to come into the Province?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the member for his question. This is an important question.

There are services of an orthodontist provided in Happy Valley-Goose Bay.

Unfortunately, I know residents of your district have to make travel

arrangements from Labrador West to Happy Valley-Goose Bay. It is a serious

issue.

Unfortunately, the orthodontists are a fee-for-service provided throughout

the Province. I will undertake to look into your question, to look into the

issue. Unfortunately, as well, specialized services such as this, retention and

recruitment is an issue. It is an issue for every province in Canada. We will

look into it, and we are trying to improve specialized services throughout the

Province where the services are not up to what we would see as acceptable

standards.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. R. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I raised this with the minister this morning, earlier, during the Budget

Estimates Committee meetings, but I want to ask the minister this question: If

we cannot bring the orthodontists to where people are - there are over 100

people in my district who are going without this service today. I want to ask

him: If the orthodontist can travel to one region of Labrador, to Happy

Valley-Goose Bay area, will the minister allow people from other regions of

Labrador to access the medical transportation subsidy to get their kids to where

the orthodontist will be?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Yes, Mr. Speaker, we will look into that. Obviously,

there could be implications for all services in all regions of the Province when

we take a move like this. I understand the implications for your constituents,

and it is an issue that we will look into.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans.

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In the past two years we have witnessed this government throwing career civil

servants out the door to make way for their political cronies. In fact, another

assistant deputy minister was fired on Monday. The amount allocated in the

Budget for severance has gone from $7 million to $8 million a year, to $13

million to $17 million a year.

I ask the Minister of Finance: How many civil servants were fired last year,

and how many are you firing this year with the extra $6 million severance of the

taxpayers' money you have in the Budget?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I will tell her, as a result of this Budget, out in health boards and

elsewhere, and in the direct government departments, probably 400 people more

will be working in this Province over last year. I will tell her that.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: I will tell her that some appointments of government are at

pleasure and the responsibility of individuals in that position. When they were

in power they had a track beat. Three got a call at their supper. Deputy

ministers got a call at suppertime from somebody else in the Province, from

staff in the Premier's Office, telling them not to come to work any more. That

is the way they treated people here. At least people here have the courtesy to

talk to individuals if services may not be needed any more, and do it in an

appropriate manner.

There are always changes in government. On any given day there could be 100

people change within government, within the public service generally. We have a

large public service. Changes occur on an ongoing basis there, and whatever we

did is not a fraction of the way that they treated individuals and people here

when they were in power.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans.

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

There can't be too many out there now without a job, by the sound of

things.

Mr. Speaker, a few short years ago the current Minister of Finance and others

on that side of the House stood shoulder to shoulder with public sector

pensioners in this Province and told them they deserved an increase in their

pension. Now in the third year of their mandate and flush with cash, this

government has once again ignored pubic sector pensioners.

I ask the minister: When is he going to live up to the commitment he made to

those retired workers?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Pensions are determined on two things. They are determined on amount of years

of services, and are based on a percentage of the salary for each of the years

you work. That is what pensions are based on, and there is also an indexation of

pensions in our Province.

What we have done, what that government failed to do - they raided the

pension plans of the Province - we are prepared to put in excess of $3 billion

into the pension plans, Mr. Speaker -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: - to ensure that the people who are getting a pension today

will be able to get one in the future. That is what we are doing here, to an

unprecedented level in the history of our Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans.

MS THISTLE: Mr. Speaker, I say, thank God we are surrounded by oil,

because there was nothing this crowd over there did to create a revenue surplus

here.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS THISTLE: Mr. Speaker, public sector pensioners have been left out of

this year's Budget. Despite the massive increase in severance costs, there is

not even a token increase for pensioners. Those are the same pensioners who got

no break on heating costs, no break on government fees, no break on gas prices.

I ask the minister - his Budget slogan is called: The Right Choices. Do you

think you have made the right choices when you forgot those retired workers and

so many other average working people in our Province?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: Mr. Speaker, the hon. member and others have become so used

to being in a deficit that they have become comfortable and they do not want

success when it hits them.

What we have done in this government - and I met with pensioners and I

explained to pensioners in the last few months - I have indicated that what we

are trying to do is not just assist pensioners -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SULLIVAN: They don't want to hear the answer, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. SULLIVAN: We do not just want to assist the pensioners who worked for

government. We want to assist the pensioners, and people who have no pensions,

who have incomes of $10,000, $15,000 and $20,000 and $30,000. We have addressed

all low income people in the Province, regardless of their source of income.

That is the honourable way to go! It is the appropriate way to go! Treat

everybody alike, regardless of where their cheque comes from. That is the

philosophy of this government.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

We have time for one short question and a short reply.

The hon. the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune.

MR. LANGDON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Municipal Affairs.

Mr. Speaker, the problems facing these rural municipals are serious and

solutions have to be found. My question is: Given the government's enhanced

financial position, will the government consider raising the Municipal Operating

Grants to small rural communities?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. J. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The hon. member knows full well that when they were in power they cut the

Municipal Operating Grants from $40 million down to $21 million. Two years ago,

when we found the mess the previous Administration had, that we had to face when

we took over government, we announced that there would be an impact of $5

million over three years for fourteen municipals.

Mr. Speaker, we are doing what we can for the rural municipals in the

Province of Newfoundland and Labrador. We have been committed to that and we

will continue to work with the rural communities in Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The time allocated for Question Period has expired.

Presenting Reports by Standing and Select Committees.

Tabling of Documents.

Tabling of Documents

MR. SPEAKER: In compliance with the Public Tender Act, I am tabling the

Report of the Public Tender Act exceptions for the months of November and

December, 2005, and for the months of January and February 2006.

Notices of Motion.

Answers to Questions for which Notice has been given.

Petitions

Orders of the Day

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 1, that this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the

government.

MR. SPEAKER: Motion 1.

I do believe that the last speaker was the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la

Hune. I believe his time had expired.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure - I want to take a few moments to speak to the

Budget, and particularly to the Department of Natural Resources today, about

some of the initiatives that we are moving forward. These initiatives all relate

to rural Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr. Speaker.

But, before I do, before I go there, I think it is important to ask some

questions. We know today, for example, that the Member for Bay of Islands said

that he would not resign his seat, only for Premiers. The Member for Grand

Falls-Buchans said her seat is her seat. So, throughout the course of the day we

will all get a chance to talk to members on which one of them - because the new

Leader of the Liberal Party, in his condemnation of government, in combination,

Mr. Speaker -

AN HON. MEMBER: You are not as good as Roger.

MR. E. BYRNE: And nor would I want to be as good as Roger at what he did

either, let me say to the member opposite.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: As a matter of fact, I say to the -

MR. JOYCE: On a point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

A point of order has been called by the Member for Bay of Islands.

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, what I did say is that I would do it for certain

Premiers, but it would not be for that Premier. That Premier waltzed into the

Bay of Islands during the last election and made about five commitments that

they are still waiting to meet. So, it would not be for that Premier, I can

guarantee you that.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

There is no point of order.

The Chair recognizes the hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: It is always nice to provide an opportunity for members

opposite to swallow themselves whole, because what he just said - nor would we

expect him to do it for our Premier, but what he really just said is that he

would not do it for his own leader, Mr. Speaker. That is exactly what he said.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Now, let me get back to the point that one member opposite

raised. He said: You're not as good as Roger Grimes was. You know, I think if

I were to leave politics today, or someday when I do, I would have to put that

on my resume, I say to the member opposite.

Mr. Speaker, the most important matter between us today is the Budget. I want

to talk about some of the initiatives that we have taken with respect to the

Department of Agriculture and how those initiatives lends itself to the further

expansion and development of rural parts of our Province.

I would like to speak, first of all, to the Department of Agrifoods and the

agrifoods initiatives that we are undertaking.

Mr. Speaker, last year we put in place the largest Land Consolidation Program

in the Province's history. Why did we do that? We did it for a specific

reason. Because there was an opportunity to double the size of an industry. In

doing so throughout the course of the last year, over a five-year period, we

have taken the opportunity to continue to purchase that land and to put more

acreage into production. I am happy to report, Mr. Speaker, that we built upon

that this year. This year we increased, to historic levels, the limestone

assistance program, we have increased resource agricultural roads, all in rural

parts of our Province, and we added capacity and salaries to veterinarians at

the animal health division.

I say to the Member for Port de Grave - one second - was it you singing out

to me there? Was it the Member for Port de Grave? I thought he might have been

talking to me. Maybe the Member for Port de Grave is going to resign his seat

for the leader. Is that what you were saying?

MR. BUTLER: No. (Inaudible).

MR. E. BYRNE: Oh, so the Member for Port de Grave is not going to resign

his seat either. Okay.

Mr. Speaker, I was right in the middle of talking about agrifoods - I will

get back to it in a second - and the Member for Port de Grave was saying

something. Now we know the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans is not going to resign

her seat. The Member for Bay of Islands, the Member for Port de Grave and the

Member for LaPoile - when the Premier asked, are you going to resign your seat,

you said no. Who is it? That leaves Carbonear-Harbour Grace. Is the Member for

Carbonear-Harbour Grace going to resign his seat for his leader? He is not

saying anything. He has been around a while. He is smiling.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. E. BYRNE: I'll bet ya! I don't think the Member for

Carbonear-Harbour Grace - as a matter of fact I heard that he wouldn't. In the

absence of any retort, I can assume that he wouldn't. So that is one, two,

three, four of them. There are not many left.

MR. PARSONS: A point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

A point of order has been raised by the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Just so the hon. Government House Leader doesn't

unintentionally have a false rumor out there with respect to me saying no, I

would like to clarify that I did not say that I would not resign for Mr.

Bennett. I am not usually taken to egotistical rantings, but I would like to

think enough of myself, and that I am so valuable to caucus, that the member

wouldn't ask me to resign for him.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

There is no point of order.

I recognize the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I think we are on to something. It think we are on to something here. We have

lots of time to talk about agrifoods but this important, and I am going to tell

you why it is important in a few moments.

We have the Member for Burgeo & LaPoile, the Member for Port de Grave,

the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans, the Member for Bay of Islands, and the

Member for Harbour Grace-Carbonear who we know will not give up the seat for his

leader, because their leader said: A number of caucus members - let me quote it,

so we all understand. Here is what he said: I had offers from members in our

caucus that I would run in a seat if I wanted to run.

All right, so there are five right now. Now, the Member for Bellevue is not

going to give up his seat for nobody, because I am not convinced he would find a

seat anywhere else, to be honest with you. I do know for a fact, I say to my

colleagues, and the Member for Bellevue is not going to challenge me on it, that

seat he is not giving up because he is not going to have it for much longer;

and, if he did give it up, he does not know what seat who would end up in.

So, that is Grand Falls-Buchans, the Member for Bellevue, the Member for Bay

of Islands, the Member for Port de Grave, the Member for Burgeo & LaPoile,

and the Member for Harbour Grace-Carbonear, who are not going to give up their

seats for their leader. Now, that leaves only three more. That only leaves three

more. Four more, sorry, four more. That is, the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse

au Clair -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. E. BYRNE: Now, who is it? Is it the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au

Clair?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: No, no.

MR. E. BYRNE: Who has heard that?

My colleague from Lake Melville tells me -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. E. BYRNE: One second now, this is important. I am going to get

through them all.

My colleague from Lake Melville tells me that he has heard, on good

authority, that she is not going to give up her seat. That is what I heard. So,

we now know it is not the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair, because if

what I am saying was incorrect she would be the first one over there standing to

her feet to correct me, wouldn't she? Absolutely.

What about the Member for Grand Bank? We do know she wanted to run federally,

and that is fair enough. That is not a slight, because that is what a politician's

life is like, but it begs the question: Did the Member for Grand Bank offer to

give up her seat for Mr. Bennett, the new Leader of the Liberal Party?

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. E. BYRNE: Oh, she won't tell me. Now, Mr. Speaker, do you know

something? With a new leader coming in - and I have been in that position myself

- when it starts to happen and you want to give up a seat.... I was a student at

university when the hon. Clyde Wells was elected, and the member for, I think it

was Exploits -

AN HON. MEMBER: Windsor-Buchans.

MR. E. BYRNE: Windsor-Buchans, right. Windsor-Buchans, Graham Flight,

said, I will give up my seat - and they were proud to do so. They were proud to

do so, because they were going to be elected the next Premier.

Now, the Member for Grand Bank will not tell me if she did or she did not,

which tells me she did not.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. E. BYRNE: Exactly right, exactly right, because she might be of the

same view as the Member for Bay of Islands, that they only give it up for

Premiers, not for people who will never be Premier, Mr. Speaker.

So, who else do we have left? The Member for Torngat Mountains. Now,

absolutely not. I know that for a fact myself, for a fact myself, that the

Member for Torngat Mountains will never give up his seat. He is going to stay,

that is what I understand, and stay until the next general election. That is my

understanding. Now, if I am wrong I am sure he will tell me if I am wrong, but

that is my own personal understanding.

Now, who else is left? I think that is all of them.

AN HON. MEMBER: No, no, they have one more.

MR. E. BYRNE: There is one more? Who is it?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. E. BYRNE: Hold on. The Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune. You know,

the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune, I will say, was elected in 1989 - I was

elected in 1993 - was always a courteous member to new members coming in. I can

say that honestly.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: I can say that honestly and without fear of contradiction,

that he is an hon. gentleman and was always courteous. Specifically I can speak

for my own experience, but I do know that he is here until the next general

election, because he is the type of hon. man who is not going to desert his

constituents once they gave him a mandate to do it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: So, it cannot be him.

Now, we have the Member for Torngat who is not doing it, the Member for Grand

Falls-Buchans who said to the Premier: My seat is my seat.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: I can tell you, the Member for Twillingate & Fogo, who

is now the Parliamentary Leader, the Leader of the Opposition, having sat in

that seat, I know he is not going anywhere.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. E. BYRNE: I know he is not going anywhere, absolutely not. The Member

for Twillingate & Fogo is not going to give up his seat. The Member for

Burgeo & LaPoile basically just told us he wasn't going to. The Member for

Grand Bank said: You would never know.

I can tell you this: If they thought that the new leader was going to be the

next Premier there would be a stampede. We would know then, wouldn't we? So,

we know she is not. We know the Member for the Bay of Islands - because he said,

himself: I don't give up my seat. I only do it for Premiers. That is what he

said. The Member for Port de Grave is not going to do it. The Member for

Bellevue will not stand up and correct me when I say that he is definitely not

going to do it. The Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune, because he is an hon.

man, will not do, and the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair is not going

to do it.

Let me say, Mr. Speaker, it begs the question, when Mr. Bennett says, I had

offers from members in our caucus, I could run in their seat - no wonder he

asked the Premier to appoint my colleague Wally Young so he could run in his

seat. No wonder!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: No wonder!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I want to remind members - it happened earlier this afternoon and it just

happened again - we should refer to members of this House by their electoral

district or by their position in the House, and refrain from referring to people

by their ordinary names.

The Chair recognizes the hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I apologize to the House. It is an oversight. When you are dealing with close

personal friends, it is natural to call them by their first names.

My point was this: The new Liberal leader said that members in his own caucus

were willing to give up their seats, and not one of them today stood and said

they would do it. As a matter of fact, there is a serious point in all of this.

While there is a bit of a jest going back and forth about it, the fact of the

matter is this: When you say outside of here, or in the political arena, that

there are people willing to give up their seats, and people are denying it in

the place today, I make the point strongly, and as strongly as I can, is it any

wonder that he got on provincial TV and asked the Premier of the Province to

appoint my colleague from St. Barbe to a public service position somewhere? I

think - what did he say?

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible) nice appointment.

MR. E. BYRNE: If the Premier would like to make a nice appointment and

Mr. Young, our present member, would let me run, then I would be happy to run in

St. Barbe.

The fact of the matter is this: Nobody offered to give up their seat for the

Liberal leader, not one person opposite. That is why he probably asked the

Premier to make a nice appointment for Mr. Young.

The fact of the matter is this -

AN HON. MEMBER: They only give it up for Premiers.

MR. E. BYRNE: They only give it up for Premiers.

The fact of the matter is this: When it comes down to the type of life that

we live in this House, as elected people, sometimes if you put yourself out

there you have to deal with the consequences and the realities of what putting

yourself out there means.

Mr. Speaker, I did not want to digress too much from my conversation today. I

know that the Leader of the New Democratic Party did not give up his seat for

him, because that was announced some time ago, and I wish him well.

Mr. Speaker, back to the Budget debate. I will say that some of the

initiative taken within the Department of Natural Resources, and I just talked

about some in agriculture, are extremely important. They are important for the

dairy industry. They are important for the fur industry. They are important for

the improvement and expansion of infrastructure, on farms and producers in this

Province. They are important in the support that we provide to the Newfoundland

and Labrador Federation of Agriculture, and the support and leadership that they

provide on behalf of their membership in working with our department. Where do

those activities take place? All in rural Newfoundland and Labrador.

Last year, for example, the provincial agricultural industry was worth $550

million; employed directly and indirectly 6,000 people; expected to double in

size for a couple of reasons, but expected to double in size over the next four

to five years, driven by the expansion in the fur industry. Talk to my colleague

from Bonavista South or talk to my colleague in Exploits, and talk to my

colleague in St. Barbe or my colleague in Trinity North or Trinity-Bay de Verde.

Talk to my colleagues in rural Newfoundland and Labrador and they will tell you

about the expansion that is happening in agrifoods, being driven by the industry

and the opportunity, being supported, like never before, by a government that

has instilled confidence in them to make the type of investments that they want

to make. Mr. Speaker, that is what this Budget is about with respect to the

Department of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: If you want to look at the agrifoods industry, this year in

June we will be hosting the Federal-Provincial Territorial Ministers' Meetings

on the agrifoods side in St. John's. A little known fact when I first became

the minister in travelling to these meetings, most people outside of this

country, and I would even bet my bottom dollar that many people in the Province

today do not know how, comparatively, our agrifoods industry stacks up against

the rest of the country.

Last year, the national average for growth in agrifoods was about 1.2 per

cent. Last year the growth in the agrifoods industry in Newfoundland and

Labrador was 7.7 per cent. We led the country in growth; anticipated to lead it

again this year, the year after and the year after that. Most people do not

realize, for example, that we have the most diversified agrifoods industry in

the country and amongst the most diversified agrifoods industry in North

America. Just think about what that means. Unlike other jurisdictions across the

country, we are not overly or singularly dependent upon a single commodity. For

example, in Alberta, Alberta beef is the big player in the industry. So, we are

not overly dependent upon one commodity. There is a diversification that is in

the industry that allows us to roll with the changes and fluctuations in the

market.

Here is another interesting statistic. Nationally, 13.2 per cent of every

producer's income in the country comes from the federal government or from the

industry. So, they are dependent for about 13 per cent of their income in other

jurisdictions on federal income support programs for the agrifoods industry;

less than 1 per cent in Newfoundland and Labrador. That talks about how

innovative we are. It talks about how determined our producers are, but it also

speaks to the diversification and how diversified our industry is.

Do we have things that we have to do? Do we have challenges in front of us?

Yes, we do. Are we on a path to overcome those and to take the industry from

here to another level? Yes, we are. And that is where we are headed to and we

are doing it in partnership and in co-operation with the industry itself, with

the organizations; whether it be the livestock council, Fur Breeders

Association, the dairy industry, the egg industry, the poultry industry, the

horticulture association. We are doing it from -

MR. FITZGERALD: (Inaudible).

MR. E. BYRNE: Exactly, as my colleague from Bonavista South said, and he

hears it. He represents a district where significant agrifoods producers in his

area - like I do. The district I represent has sixty-six different producers in

agrifoods. You would not think that for on the outskirts of the city. Sixty-six

different producers exist in the District of Kilbride - in the Gould-Kilbride

area - from a variety of backgrounds. But, the point that the Member for

Bonavista South said - and he is absolutely correct - that we are building this

industry in partnership with producers, with their associations, from the ground

up and will continue to do so.

You want to have a look at the mining industry today and some of the

initiatives that we have just undertaken. The exploration that is about to occur

in mining in this Province this year will hit some 50 per cent to 55 per cent. A

significant increase over last year. A significant increase over two years ago;

about a 60 per cent rise, in many ways. Analysts will tell you - mining analysts

and people who have been around in the industry for some time - that once you

get into that level of exploration commitments in the Province, and once that

sort of level and capacity of exploration money starts to be spent, that it is

not a matter of if anymore, it is just the matter of time of when some huge

developments are going to occur.

Now this year, what did we do for the mining industry? I know earlier this

year I appointed a ministerial advisory committee on mineral matters

representing all facets of the mining industry to work with the department, to

work with government, and, in particular, to work with myself as the minister,

to look at the types of programs and incentives that we could enhance or look at

that was needed in the industry.

Here is what they told us: Minister, we need to be a leader in the mineral

incentive program. We are competing, in particular, with the Province of Quebec

and the Province of Manitoba when it comes to exploration commitments. So, we

need to incent - and we understood that. If you look at the marketplace and the

price for base metals and the price for gold and the price for uranium, for

copper, for zinc, it is on the rise; being driven by an insatiable Chinese

market, primarily - other reasons, but primarily that - being driven by that

insatiable appetite. So now is the time, we felt, to invest in a significant way

to try to incent more exploration.

They told us that we needed to invest in our geoscience and our geotechnical

capability, that we needed to get up to scratch, or more capacity, from that

point of view. These are things the department was looking at anyway, but it was

nice to hear it back from the industry.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. E. BYRNE: Yes, Mr. Speaker?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. member's time has expired.

MR. E. BYRNE: Just a second to clue up?

MR. SPEAKER: Leave as been asked to make some concluding comments.

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you.

I will clue up on the mining stuff and I will have a chance, maybe at another

point, to talk about the other divisions.

It was nice to hear the feedback from the industry in terms of what they

needed and what they wanted from us. We did two of those things: Historic

commitment on funding to the Mineral Incentive and JCEP Program. For every

dollar that we invest in that program we know that there is $1.41 invested back

in the Province. Not a bad return, I say to my colleagues.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Two-and-a-half years ago there was about 2,400 people

employed in the industry. Today, we anticipate it could reach 3,200 to 3,300.

Where is that taking place? It is taking place in Labrador. It is taking place

in Central Newfoundland. It is taking place in rural Newfoundland and Labrador,

and we will continue to invest in that industry. We will continue to work and

watch the markets, and work with our ministerial advisory committee on mineral

matters; continue to work in partnership with the industry, so that maybe next

year, if we need to move in another direction to incent other opportunities,

then we will be a position to do that, Mr. Speaker.

So, on two fronts, with respect to the initiatives within the Budget, from

agrifoods and mining. These are tremendous industries that bring tremendous

wealth to rural parts of our Province; that help diversify and level out, in a

bigger way, and spread wealth out in a bigger way, to every nook and cranny in

Newfoundland and Labrador. The more that those industries grow, Mr. Speaker, the

more that rural Newfoundland and Labrador grows, and that is what we are about.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I consider it a privilege, actually, to have an opportunity to stand and

speak to the Budget. I have to say, I would have thought that most members in

the House of Assembly would have felt the same way, but having listened to the

Government House Leader today take thirteen of his twenty minutes - wasting

thirteen of his twenty minutes I would suggest - trying to determine who had

offered to step aside for the Liberal Party Leader to sit in the House of

Assembly, begs the question, Mr. Speaker, how serious they actually consider the

problems facing Newfoundland and Labrador, particularly rural Newfoundland and

Labrador. The Government House Leader, of all people on the other side of the

House, who would have wasted so much time on such a frivolous matter, to suggest

that he needs leave now or needed leave to focus on other divisions - when he

wasted thirteen minutes pointing to each member in the Opposition asking such a

ridiculous question when it is nobody's business but our own, who decided what

to do and for whom.

The reality of it, Mr. Speaker, is that of anybody, I would have expected

better from the Government House Leader. Maybe the Member for Lake Melville

would have gotten on with that foolishness, maybe the Member for Trinity North

or the Member for Gander, but not the Government House Leader, the person who is

supposed to be a role model, to set a standard in this House for the people in

this House, particularly those in the government side. Is it any wonder, Mr.

Speaker, that we have to question the sincerity of this government when it comes

to dealing with the serious issues facing the people of Newfoundland and

Labrador. They are serious issues, but you would never know that the government

understands these issues or even appreciates them from the time that the

Government House Leader took today to spend on such a frivolous matter, when you

have so many issues and so many people leaving this Province. It is really a sad

reflection on the Government House Leader in whom we have a lot of respect, whom

I had a lot of respect for, Mr. Speaker, up until I saw that charade today. I

have to question his understanding and appreciation for what is truly happening

in rural Newfoundland and Labrador.

I stand here because I represent a rural district, I represent the District

of Grand Bank, and I can tell you that there are hundreds of people, if they are

watching today, who would be amazed by the display that they saw by the

Government House Leader; a gentleman who will stand here and talk about

different initiatives that his department has undertaken that will help rural

Newfoundland and Labrador move ahead, that will help rural Newfoundland and

Labrador survive. To waste thirteen of twenty minutes doing nothing but that

silly charade, again people who are watching this, particularly rural

Newfoundland, would have to question the government's sincerity.

Lets talk about rural Newfoundland and Labrador, because that is what we have

to be concerned about. We have to talk about the thousands of people who are

leaving our Province, and it is primarily from rural Newfoundland and Labrador.

We talk about job fairs taking place in this Province where you have about 2,000

men and women lined up trying to find a job, looking to Alberta, looking to

Ontario, looking everywhere but in Newfoundland and Labrador, because the jobs

are not existing here, particularly when you look at what FPI is doing in this

Province. We have men and women leaving and taking their families with them. I

do not understand why the government does not understand the impact this will

have on our Province. It will have an impact on our Treasury, certainly, because

once the people leave that impacts on our equalization formulas, of course, and

the money that we get through our equalization formula. The fewer people, the

less money we get in this Province from the federal government, and of course,

the fewer people we have, the less money being spent in this Province, the less

money going back in the provincial Treasury to help with things like roads and

infrastructure, water and sewer, all of these very important services that are

needed in Newfoundland and Labrador.

I do not understand why the government is not acknowledging that this is a

serious issue. To have spent thirteen of twenty minutes talking about anything

but the serious issues facing this Province, when speaking to the Budget, shows

me, again, that this government does not have an appreciation for what is

happening, particularly in rural Newfoundland and to people whose families are

so adversely impacted by what is happening, and the fact that there are no jobs

here and people are lining up by the thousands trying to find employment

elsewhere.

We talk about shortage of skilled labour. Well, why is that? I know the

minister, when he read a Ministerial Statement the other day, talked about, you

know, how we are no different than any other province in this country. I will

bet you any money that Newfoundlanders and Labradorians would be working here in

Newfoundland and Labrador if the jobs were here. I do not know what would happen

in New Brunswick or what would happen in P.E.I. or Ontario or Alberta or any

other part of this country, but I know that Newfoundlanders and Labradorians

would much prefer to be working here at home where a lot of their family members

are. If we want to talk about the reality of the situation in terms of the lack

of a skilled workforce, it has nothing to do with the fact that people do not

want to be here or we haven't trained enough people. We have trained hundreds

and hundreds and hundreds of people to work in the trades in this Province, but

where are they? They are working in the trades in other parts of this country.

Why is that? Because jobs just do not exist here for them.

Here we have a government that says it is committed to helping create

employment opportunities, to working with the private sector to identify job

opportunities, in trying to diversify the economy, but it is not happening. If

it was happening, we wouldn't have a shortage of skilled workforce, we wouldn't

have 2,000 people lining up in the last number of days at various job fairs

wondering how they are going to support their families. We wouldn't have so

many people in Alberta wondering when they are going to be able to come home,

people by the way who were hinging every hope on the Hebron/Ben Nevis pilot

project going ahead, people who were hoping that they would be able to come

home. Now, of course, they are having to rethink their futures as well.

It is a serious issue and I would expect the government to take it seriously.

After today's display by the Government House Leader, I have to question

whether or not they are really taking this seriously. Anybody watching today

would have to be of the same opinion.

Let's talk about the fishery, because the fishery today is a shadow of what

it has been in the past. We have so few people actually working in the fishery

that we would have to question why that is and why this government hasn't been

more aggressive in dealing with one of the largest employers in the Province,

and that is Fisheries Products International.

I heard the MP for Random-Burin-St. George's actually say this morning that

he was shocked that the Speech from the Throne federally had no mention

whatsoever of the fishery, none whatsoever, despite Prime Minister Harper coming

to this Province and talking about offshore jurisdiction, that he really was

going to push that, that he was going to make sure that was taken care of. We

talked about, when he was here, an early retirement plan, but we are not hearing

it now. There was no mention in the Throne Speech federally - but we shouldn't

be surprised, Mr. Speaker, that there was no mention of the fishery in the

Throne Speech federally, because if we look at our own Throne Speech here, two

lines on the fishery. Two lines on the fishery in the Throne Speech. It says,

"Together, we will also work to ensure that we benefit from our natural

resources, particularly our important fish resources, through increased

investments and resource, product and market development." That is one

line. Second line, "We will also contribute to the recovery and future

management of cod, which have been, and will continue to be, vital to our

Province's future prosperity." Two lines about the fishery, the fishery

that has been the backbone of the economy of this Province since this Province

existed.

Lo and behold - well, today we finally managed to get the Premier to his feet

on the issue. I expect that is probably the first time in a long time because,

even though the questions have been put to him, he has usually let the Minister

of Fisheries take them. Today he stood, and I was actually hoping that he would

answer my colleague's questions; but, no, no answers about this most important

resource industry in our Province. No answers that people could take any comfort

from, anyone watching out in the Province, looking at this today, expecting to

hear from their Premier what exactly his plans are with respect to the fishery.

No answers. In fact, it became more of a personal attack.

What I have said time and time before, personal attacks say more about the

person making them than about the person about whom they are being made. I say

that the Premier, whenever he gets on with his foolishness of, instead of

answering questions, being personal in his responses.

I know that on the Burin Peninsula people are hurting. I know that people are

leaving, and that is hurting even more. It is hurting the Burin Peninsula, it is

hurting the entire Province, because you have to realize that when an area of

the Province is doing well, and because, of course, we do not have all of the

different services available in rural parts of our Province that you would find

on the Avalon Peninsula, you will find people coming in from the different

peninsulas, in to the Avalon Peninsula, to shop, to spend their hard-earned

money, and it is not happening. It is not happening because the money is not

being made, and there is no money to be made, on the Burin Peninsula, especially

when you consider that FPI said it is getting out of the groundfish fishery.

They have closed Fortune, just like they closed down Harbour Breton.

We have maybe half a workforce being considered for Marystown, and then only

because there are 115 positions - not 350 positions, but 115 positions. So, what

does that tell you about the length of time that these people will actually get

in terms of work? Very little. FPI has just washed its hands of the workforce on

the Burin Peninsula, people who have worked so hard to help build this company.

What is the government doing about it? Absolutely nothing. Rhetoric, that is

all we get. Promises to do this, and promises to do that. Then they talk about a

Budget and talk about, in glowing terms, what they are doing to build rural

regions.

Well, I read it and I can tell you that, as I read all of these points with

respect to building rural regions, all I could think about were the people in my

district, in Burin-Placentia West, on the entire Burin Peninsula, who do not

know but any of this is good to eat. They know it is not good to eat, though.

They know, because they know, as good as the government makes this sound, or

wants it to appear to Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, especially those in

rural Newfoundland - and they talk about, you know, aquaculture. That is

primarily for rural Newfoundland and Labrador but, be realistic, it is going to

take time. It is going to take time.

What happens in the interim? What happens to all of these people that FPI has

put out of work? So, while you can speak in glowing terms about your

initiatives, and how important they are, you must acknowledge that this is not

going to help people who are hurting today. What do we do? Cut them adrift? It

is not their fault.

We have a piece of legislation in this House of Assembly that governs FPI, an

act. It is the only company, so far yet, anyway - I don't know what the

Premier plans to do about oil and gas, but so far it is the only company - that

is governed by

an act of this House, and that is for a very good reason. That is

for a very good reason. This company was created by taxpayers' dollars. Both

federal and provincial governments came together and created a company that

would ensure stability of employment in this Province, in rural Newfoundland and

Labrador in particular. That is why we have the FPI Act. That is why the

government has authority. That is why the government can come back to this House

and amend that act, and strengthen it, to make sure that FPI does not continue

to ride roughshod over Newfoundlanders and Labradorians. But what is this

government doing? Absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing. They will stand in the

House and say: Oh, we can do this. We can do this. We keep saying: Well, if you

can do it, do it.

MR. REID: What are they waiting for?

MS FOOTE: What are you waiting for? Until we turn off the lights and put

the gate up to the Burin Peninsula? We know what is happening on the Connaigre

Peninsula. Harbour Breton doesn't have a prayer, and it is going to happen on

the Burin Peninsula as well. FPI has already said: No plans for Fortune.

Do you know something? The employees of FPI at the plant in Fortune are still

hopeful, are still hopeful that this government will come back and make

amendments to the FPI legislation, that they will say to FPI: If you want to

continue to operate in this Province and enjoy the access to the quotas that you

have, then you have to consider reopening the plant in Fortune. You have to

consider making sure that the workforce continues in Marystown. You have to

acknowledge that these people are the ones who helped to build your company.

Instead, we are not seeing that, and I can only imagine what the powers-to-be

at FPI - I think the committee now actually are kind of making all the decisions

at FPI, actually comprised of John Risley, Rex Anthony, a good Newfoundland, and

George Armoyan. Those are the three individuals now who are determining what is

going to happen with FPI, and it begs the question: When is the government going

to step up to the plate, just like the Premier has done now with the oil and gas

sector? He is being forceful, he is being determined, and he is playing his

cards right, but why can't he do the same for the fishery? Why is it that he

does not have the same level of commitment or show the same interest in the

issues around the fishery as he does around oil and gas? Maybe it is not as

sexy. Maybe it is not something that you can get as excited about if you have

never lived in rural Newfoundland and Labrador; if you have never stood shoulder

to shoulder with people in rural Newfoundland and Labrador; if you have never

had a discussion with someone from rural Newfoundland and Labrador about how the

crisis in the fishery is impacting their lives. Maybe that is why the Premier

cannot relate to what is happening in the fishery. But I am begging him, I am

imploring on behalf of the people that I represent, and the people on the entire

Burin Peninsula and the Bonavista peninsula - because if I were in Bonavista

today, I would have no level of comfort that I would there tomorrow working at a

plant for FPI. No level of comfort whatsoever.

So, on behalf of rural Newfoundland and Labrador, those communities that

survive because of the fishery, I am asking the Premier to get personally

involved. I know Allan Moulton of the FFAW has said that they have asked the

Member for Burin-Placentia West to speak to the Premier, to get a meeting with

him; not with the Minister of Fisheries or the Acting Minister of Fisheries, or

with their member, for that matter, because they speak to him, I understand,

fairly often, but they want to speak to the Premier. They need to hear from the

Premier.

I understand that the Member for Burin-Placentia West was actually put in

Cabinet because of the dire situation on the Burin Peninsula. I do not know what

that says about the member from the Northern Peninsula or Bonavista, but,

particularly, the Northern Peninsula because that is a serious, serious issue,

what is going on in the Northern Peninsula as well. But, anyway, I am pleased we

have someone from the Burin Peninsula in Cabinet, but it is not producing

results. Two weeks and no meeting with the Premier, when you have a peninsula

that is dying down there. The meeting still hasn't happened. So, I do not know

what it is, what is going on here, why the fishery is not getting the same

attention as the oil and gas sector, but both, I would venture to guess or I

would say, at least in my opinion, are equal, and should be receiving the same

treatment. Because I can tell you, that you can be flushed with cash but when

you look at rural Newfoundland and Labrador -

MR. SPEAKER (Fitzgerald): Order, please!

I remind the hon. Member for Grand Bank that her time for speaking has

lapsed.

MS FOOTE: Leave, Mr. Speaker?

MR. SPEAKER: By leave? Does the hon. member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: By leave.

MS FOOTE: Thank you.

I appreciate the time to clue up.

Again, I say when you talk about the fishery and oil and gas and all the

money that will flow to this Province, or is expected to flow to this Province -

I guess it will not be as much if we do not get the deal on the Hebron-Ben Nevis

- but with the oil and gas money that we are looking forward to, you know, so

little of that - the benefits of that are not seen in rural Newfoundland and

Labrador.

The fishery is important. I do not know how many more times or how many ways

I can say it. It is important. I do not know if you have to be from rural

Newfoundland and Labrador to understand that, to appreciate that, if you have to

actually live among people who work in the fishery to understand that and

appreciate that, but it is. Take my word for it, it is important.

When we talk about tourism being an alternative; sure, tourism is important

to this Province, but, you know, we don't get a lot of tourists in this

Province during the winter season, not as many as we would like to get, and they

are selective about where they go. In terms of the fishery, it has been and

should remain the backbone of the economy in rural Newfoundland and Labrador,

and it can if this government will make the right decisions, be more aggressive

on this file, and if the Premier will give this file the same attention he has

given to the oil and gas file. They are equally important. One shouldn't be

getting the Premier's attention more than the other. That is what I am asking

the Premier today.

You talk about your Budget, you talk in glowing terms about the money that

you are putting into initiatives that you say will be helpful to rural

Newfoundland and Labrador. Well, maybe they will be down the road, but I am

asking you today to think of the people who are lining up at job fairs looking

for employment opportunities because they want to work. We all know that the

majority of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians are hard-working people and they

want to work. The reality is they want to work in their own Province. I repeat

again, there wouldn't be a shortage of skilled labour if the jobs were here.

There wouldn't be a shortage of skilled labour if this government, working

with the private sector supporting existing businesses in this Province, came

out with a strategy, because they are really good at strategies. Why don't you

come up with a strategy to help existing businesses in this Province to maybe

hire more Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, maybe to even pay them more. At

least our people would have employment opportunities at home and we wouldn't

have to worry about a shortage of skilled labour.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Mount Pearl.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Today, I am pleased to get up and talk on the Budget that was presented last

week.

Mr. Speaker, I listened to the hon. Member for Grand Bank and all of the

sudden for two and a half years we were responsible for everything that is

happening here today. The out-migration occurred in the mid-1990s, on through

the mid-1990s, and into the early 2000s. Mr. Speaker, what happened was, they

never had any vision beyond one year at a time. That was evident in all of their

budgets that they brought in, because all of the budgets that they brought in

were either on one-time money or false expectations. They know themselves that

when they brought in budgets they would take from the roads agreement, the Roads

for Rail agreement, one-time equalization payments, with no thought, Mr.

Speaker, of where the money is going to come tomorrow. They spent the money as

they saw fit.

Mr. Speaker, they also mentioned, over there across the way, they talked

about different places like Harbour Breton. What they want to do is, they want

to leave the impression that we have closed the door on Harbour Breton. Mr.

Speaker, nothing could be further from the truth. We have not closed the door on

Harbour Breton. As a matter of fact, we are actively pursuing every opportunity

we can to help Harbour Breton.

They talk about Stephenville, the number of people, when the plant closed

down there. The Stephenville mill was not closed down because of the lack of

effort of this government.

MR. E. BYRNE: We actually signed a deal.

MR. DENINE: We signed a deal. We gave it everything they wanted. Then

they went to the union to see what else they could get. It was not the fault of

this government. All of our efforts that we put on the table, all of the things

that they wanted on the table, were there because that is what they asked for.

That was not this government's fault; that was Abitibi.

Mr. Speaker, right after the Budget Speech, I had to do an interview with CBC.

It was myself, the hon. Member for Grand Falls-Buchans, and the hon. Member for

Labrador West. The hon. Member for Grand Falls-Buchans, who is the Finance

critic -

MS THISTLE: Buchans.

MR. DENINE: Buchans, that is what I said. Put on your earpiece, because

you are probably not hearing correctly.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. DENINE: Her first comment was, Mr. Speaker, there is nothing here for

the ordinary Newfoundlander and Labradorian in that Budget Speech. She says it

is true, but she never once, in her speech for four hours, mentioned that,

because she did not want to defend that issue, because there is an awful lot in

here for ordinary Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

This speech was a good speech, a good Budget Speech, and it was accepted very

well, Mr. Speaker, in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: They said, tell us a few things. If the hon. Member for

Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair would stop there and listen, I will tell her a few

things on what went on in this Budget.

What happened, Mr. Speaker, in this Budget, there was a one-time infusion of

money of $100 million into education, the biggest infusion of money in the

history of Newfoundland and Labrador - one-time money. We saved 151 teaching

positions in Newfoundland and Labrador. I ask you: Are they not ordinary

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians? The answer to that is yes, they are. Ask the

NLTA and they are 110 per cent supportive of this.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. DENINE: Mr. Speaker, we are also reviewing the teacher allocation

formula. There will be an independent committee to look at that. They will come

back with recommendations to the minister, and that will be brought forth to

Cabinet and on to caucus for consideration

Mr. Speaker, when they do that review, are they doing that for the ordinary

Newfoundlander and Labradorian? The answer to that is, yes, they are doing that

for the ordinary Newfoundlander and Labradorian. So that is another thing that

is there for ordinary Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

The next one is the review of the ISSP. The Pathways system that is in our

current education system, they need support. We listened to the teachers. We

listened to what they wanted, and we are going to put a committee together to

come back with recommendations.

Mr. Speaker, those are children within our system who need a different stream

of education to achieve their goals in life, to become educated, to become

productive members of society, to feel good about themselves, to get their

morale up, and their ideas about themselves moving forward. Is that not ordinary

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians? The answer to that is, yes, of course it is.

There is no question about it, they are ordinary Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians, because they cover every part of this Province of Newfoundland and

Labrador. Every district represented by every member in this House has some sort

of affiliation with all of that. The teachers, the ISSP, and the allocation

formula, that is for ordinary Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

AN HON. MEMBER: Some of our most vulnerable Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians.

MR. DENINE: The most vulnerable is right, my colleague.

Mr. Speaker, we are also looking at school fees, $6.3 million elimination of

school fees within our school system. That is a very, very excellent strategy,

an excellent announcement, and I know the hon. critic from Port de Grave would

certainly support that because, when he got up to speak on the Budget - and I

will tell you right now, I think when it comes to the vote on the Budget he is

going to support this. He is going to support the Budget because there are a lot

of good things in that, and he is nodding his head. There are a lot of good

things, and I thank him for that.

The school fees elimination does an awful lot of things, and I want to take a

little thing the minister said during the press conference. She alluded to the

fact that, when children go to school in September, they are all dressed in

their fine clothes. The parents, the guardians, are going out buying new clothes

for them to go to school. Mr. Speaker, that is a financial burden on each parent

and each guardian in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador. When they go to

school, what happens is that they feel good about themselves because they are

back talking to their friends. Then, all of a sudden, what happens is that they

then have to say to their parents or guardians: We have to come up with $50 or

$60 or $70 for school fees.

All of a sudden, because of the fact that they had to spend the money on all

the new materials that they needed for school, like clothes, et cetera, et

cetera, the parents are saying: Well, what is going to happen? Where am I going

to get the other money to come with that? Where am I going to get the money to

come up with the school fees? Then they go back to the school the next day and

they feel bad because they do not have money for school fees.

Mr. Speaker, that now is eliminated. That now is no longer in existence. As

of September, there will be no more school fees. I ask the question to the

Finance critic from Grand Falls-Buchans: Are they not ordinary Newfoundlanders

and Labradorians?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: They certainly are ordinary Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

Do they all come from urban areas? The answer to that is, no. This is

Province-wide, urban and rural, so when they get on the bandwagon over there,

the soapbox, and say there is nothing there for rural Newfoundland, I just

mentioned four or five things that are both for rural Newfoundland and urban

Newfoundland, Newfoundland and Labrador as a whole, not just segregated in any

way, shape or form, but Newfoundland and Labrador as a whole. That is what we

are doing over here, and we have vision because we are doing that.

Mr. Speaker, we are also doing a task force on skills, a Skills Task Force,

and that is going to basically lay the ground work for us to see what we are

going to need for skills in the future.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. DENINE: No, hon. Member for Port de Grave: You may be used to putting

reports on the shelves but we are not. Check our Blue Book and we are there.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: Mr. Speaker, that Skills Task Force will come back with a

vision of where we want to be in the future. Now, if the previous government had

any vision, we would not be in a lot of the problems we have here today. They

talk about out-migration and lack of skills. Lack of skills did not occur in

exactly two-and-one-half years when this government took over. It never did.

There was a long term lack of interest in developing skills, and that was the

thirteen years by the previous government: No vision, no forethought, nothing to

see what would happen to Newfoundland and Labrador in the future. That is

exactly what happened, lack of vision and lack of leadership.

Mr. Speaker, we are also putting millions of dollars into the university and

the College of the North Atlantic; $45 million approximately going to the

College of the North Atlantic and Memorial University -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: - long time overdue! - for infrastructure and operating

expenses.

Now, what happened is that I was talking to a gentleman the other day - I

will not tell you who he was, but there was a new building built in the St. John's

area and since the building was opened there has not been one dollar spent on

the infrastructure of that building. It was left to decay. They built it and

ignored it. That is what happened, and that is what happened, Mr. Speaker, last

year when we had an infusion of $16 million to do with the envelope of the

schools in Newfoundland and Labrador because they were neglected for so many

years. Mr. Speaker, did we not do that for ordinary Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians? We certainly did.

Mr. Speaker, there is another thing that we did. A couple of weeks ago we

made an investment that was never made before in the history of Newfoundland and

Labrador, and that was the $17.6 million provided for the cultural grant.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. DENINE: Yes, capital expenditures; $17.6 million to our cultural

societies of Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: Mr. Speaker, that was for ordinary Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians, both urban and rural.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: Mr. Speaker, if you had to see the announcement that was made

and see the expression on their faces - there was people literally with tears in

their eyes. It was the first time that they were recognized by the government as

an investment in the future of Newfoundland and Labrador. That was important.

Mr. Speaker, I would love to be one of those people who could sing and dance

and whatever, but unfortunately I lack those skills. Probably some people say I

lack a lot of other skills, but that is okay, that is up to question. Mr.

Speaker, I look at this as an enhancement of Newfoundland and Labrador. Think

about the accolades that all our performers have given. I look at my own school

that I retired from, O'Donel High. I witnessed AIDA that they put off and, Mr.

Speaker, it was absolutely fantastic. It was great skills, excellent

workmanship. The people who put it on, the directors were fantastic, the kids

sang, the actors were just superb. That is only one small minute overlook of

what the talent of Newfoundland and Labrador is. The Ennis Sisters, Great Big

Sea, Kevin Collins, Buddy Waisname and the Other Fellers, and I hate going on

because there are so many more there that are excellent embassadors of

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

Mr. Speaker, I ask you again: Is this not for ordinary Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians? Yes, sir, it is. I hope the critic, the Finance Critic, the Member

for Grand Falls-Buchans, will have the -

AN HON. MEMBER: Fortitude.

MR. DENINE: - fortitude - that is a good word, thank you - to come back

and say that Budget was for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, the ordinary

people.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: Mr. Speaker, then we go on to a number of other issues. Our

strategy was to put more money into health care. That is a strategy that - I

hate to use the word strategy because it is foreign to the other side. As the

Finance Critic pointed out, she could not understand the word surplus. What was

surplus or a balanced budget? They never brought in a balanced budget with any

vision. They brought in balanced budgets on one time money. That had no vision,

Mr. Speaker.

Fifteen point six million dollars in new funding to be invested to prevent

and treat cancer; $3.3 million, Mr. Speaker, for two new bunkers to house two

new radiation treatment machines at the Dr. Bliss Murphy Centre for Cancer, two

- not one, two. Mr. Speaker, we did not put one dialysis machine in Newfoundland

and Labrador, we did not put two, we put three. The reason why I put it that way

is because it brings back the vision of Mr. Smallwood, and they will certainly

understand that part of it. We put three dialysis units in Newfoundland and

Labrador, one in Happy Valley, one in St. Anthony and one on the Burin

Peninsula. Now I ask them again: Is that not for ordinary Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians? That is what it is. That is for ordinary Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians, let there be no mistake about it.

Mr. Speaker, a number of years ago, in our first Budget when we came in, it

was a very difficult budget. There was no doubt about that, it was difficult.

AN HON. MEMBER: No.

MR. DENINE: Now they say no. See will they agree with this part of it,

because they never owned up to this agreement. What about the $900 million

deficit that they left? Do I hear no on that one? No, because they have not

owned up to that, they totally disowned that. Mr. Speaker, when there is

something announced on this side: Oh, that was a Liberal initiative. Well, what

about the $900 million deficit? Wasn't that a Liberal initiative, I ask you?

MR. TAYLOR: They had lots of initiatives, they just did not get around to

implementing them.

MR. DENINE: That is right. Exactly.

Mr. Speaker, if you remember when our Budget came in, the cancer unit had to

be postponed in Grand Falls-Windsor. We sat back on that and they hammered us on

it.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. DENINE: From Windsor-Springdale - that hon. member put an awful lot

of thought, an awful lot of exercise and an awful lot of energy, into getting

that for Grand Falls-Windsor. Let me tell you, it was not the other side.

Mr. Speaker, the point I am going to make on this is very simple.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order please!

The hon. the Member for Mount Pearl.

MR. DENINE: I guess the truth hurts, Mr. Speaker. What was that movie? An

Officer and a Gentleman , you cannot handle the truth.

Now, Mr. Speaker, go back to my point. That had to be postponed and they were

up dancing on their chairs. This side of the House understood that because we

knew the necessity for that. Now, what do we have today? What do we have today

for our money? We have two, one in Grand Falls-Windsor and one in Gander. A

better vision than was put over there.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: Again, I ask you, because the Finance critic from Grand

Falls-Buchans said there is nothing here for ordinary Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians. I ask the question again: Is that not for ordinary Newfoundlanders

and Labradorians? The answer to that is, categorically, yes.

Mr. Speaker, there has been a significant number - I am going to move on to

another topic, if I could. I see you looking at your watch and I know the time

is drawing near, but that is okay. I have a few more other things to talk about.

I am glad the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair is here to listen. She

asked me: Enlighten me as to what was in the Budget. I hope I have done that so

far. There are a few more things to come, so do not turn me off just yet.

Mr. Speaker, there will be an unprecedented investment in excess of $2

billion to modernize the Province's infrastructure and continue to grow our

economy over the next six years. Two billion dollars! Not millions, two billion.

Not one, not two - yes, it is two. I am sorry, I thought we had three.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: I thought we had three!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. DENINE: Mr. Speaker, thank God they are alive over there because I

said that with vision. I said that statement with vision.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I remind the hon. Member for Mount Pearl that his time for speaking has

lapsed.

MR. DENINE: By leave?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Does the member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. member by leave.

MR. DENINE: I said that for two reasons. One, I know we put $2 billion

over the next six years, but I know there will be another billion over the next

six years, so there is your three.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: There is your $3 billion. It is not because it was not there,

it is that we had vision for the future.

One-hundred and forty-two point two million dollars for road construction

programs. Mr. Speaker, this is a very integral part of the whole infrastructure

of the Province. When we talk about economic development and how we are going to

grow this Province, we need a road network to make it happen. This here -

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. DENINE: One minute, okay.

Mr. Speaker, the spinoff from that $142.2 million is going to be enormous.

Where is that money going to go? One, it is going to help the transportation

network of this Province of Newfoundland and Labrador. Two, it is going to help

the workers who work on those projects of Newfoundland and Labrador. The third

one I am going to get to because that is a bit of vision and they do not know

that.

Mr. Speaker, I am going to clue up with this. The critic from Grand Falls-Buchans

said: There is nothing here for the ordinary Newfoundlanders and Labradorians. I

have spoken for twenty minutes on this - and probably a little bit longer

because of leave - but I ask this question, and I ask it very sincerely, because

this is a Budget that is embraced by all of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians. Is

this Budget not for ordinary Newfoundlanders and Labradorians? The answer to

that is, categorically, yes.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I always enjoy listening to the Member for Mount Pearl because I am supposed

to speak for an hour here this afternoon and I said to my colleague across the

floor there, the Government House Leader, I did not know what I could fill an

hour with, but listening the Member for Mount Pearl, I guarantee you, we could

speak for days. But, Mr. Speaker, before I get into that - maybe I will bring up

his name throughout this speech in reference to some of the comments that he

just made, especially pertaining to education.

First of all, I am a student of history, and in order to figure out where we

are today in this Budget, I guess, you have to look at where we came from or

from where we have come. In thinking about that, and having been around awhile

and studying politics along with history, I realize more and more everyday that

today's Premier - in campaigning and the promises that he has made, that he

made during campaigning - probably pulled the biggest con game or shell game in

the history of democracy. Because it is well known, Mr. Speaker, and it is a

well-known trick - I say to Member for Mount Pearl, if he would listen he might

understand or learn something. But it is a well-known trick of politicians that

when you form a new government or when you defeat a government, the first thing

you have to do - because you have made so many promises you know that you cannot

live up to the commitments or the promises that you have made. So the first

thing you have to do is come in and get someone to look at the books and then

tell them, when you get them in to look at it, make sure that you come out with

such an astronomical deficit that we cannot honour our promises, and that is

exactly what this Premier did. He campaigned and made promises all over the

Province.

In fact, Mr. Speaker, there was a lady on Fogo Island who told me, she said:

Gerry, the next time you campaign, go out and make the same promises that the

Premier made because whenever he ever ran into a group or an individual who

asked for something during the election, he checked it off and said: No problem.

I will do this.

What did he do just after forming government? The first thing he did was hire

a group of financial so-called experts on the mainland, chartered accountants,

to come down here and change the way of accounting; inflated deficits, showed a

totally different set of books that were ever there before. Then, all of a

sudden - then he made the famous speech on provincial-wide television talking

about the state of the economy -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

There has been a lot of shouting back and forth the House as members have

been identified by the Chair. I say to all members, that every member of this

House is entitled to speak for at least twenty minutes on the Budgetary Debate.

I ask members if they would hold their comments and hold their enthusiasm until

they are recognized by the Chair and show the member who has been identified to

speak some courtesy in being allowed to speak in silence.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, because that is what I tried to do when

they were up speaking.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. REID: Mr. Speaker, that January evening when the Premier came on

provincial-wide television and talked about the massive debt that his

great-grandchildren were going to end up paying off and as a result of that

massive debt, not only was he not going to be able to honour his commitments,

but here is what he had to do. The first thing he said was the civil service -

right out of nowhere, after telling the civil service that he would not do

anything without consulting them first. The first thing he said was: there would

be no raise for the civil service ; on that night in January.

Well, the Minister of Finance and the Premier got together shortly after that

and in the Budget of 2004, as we will all remember: What happened? First of all,

while the Budget was coming down I think we had somewhere in the area of 20,000

civil servants out on the street here in the Province. And what did he do? He

laid off how many civil servants? I ask the hon. members opposite, who are in

the government, who sit with the Minister of Finance, how many did he lay off?

Because, at one point, he was talking 4,000. At one point he was talking about

laying off 4,000 civil servants in this Province. I know for a fact that he laid

off 500 teachers, or 489 teachers. That is what he laid off, Mr. Speaker. What

else did he do? What else did he do because of his inflated Budget deficit? He

went around the Province, especially in rural parts of the Province, and what

did he do? He started closing things, cutting services, and raising fees.

Let's talk about what he cut. He walked into my district, for example, and

he closed the courthouse. He walked into my district and he closed the social

services office, and my district was not the only one, I say. There were many on

the other side, on the government side of the floor, who lost social services

offices, who lost courthouses, because I know that my colleague, the Member for

Bonavista North, whose district abuts mine, lost a social services office. I

think you probably lost a courthouse, too, I say to the hon. member. No, because

you never had one, that is right. You lost a driver examiner and a whole host of

things. Besides cutting these services that were provided under Liberal

governments in the past, besides cutting those services, what did they do? They

raised the fee for every other service that was provided to Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians, but especially those in the rural parts of the Province.

Mr. Speaker, what else did they do? They closed thirteen highways depots in

the Province. Where are they closed, I say to the Member for Mount Pearl, the

one who gets up and waxes eloquently about all this government has done for

rural Newfoundland and Labrador? It is not difficult to do that, sitting in

Mount Pearl. It is not difficult to do that, sitting in Mount Pearl, when he

gets up and he cannot even pronounce the word Buchans because he has never been

there and does not know where it is, Mr. Speaker.

What did he do? He cut the services. He cut the highways depots. You have all

heard, this winter, what has happened as a result of those highway closures. We

all know what has happened. In fact, Mr. Speaker, some people went so far as to

say that some fatal accidents were caused this year as a result of some of those

highways depots being closed. Some people have gone that far, to say that, Mr.

Speaker.

He increased every single fee that government had charged the people of this

Province. In fact, he even went further than that because, knowing the Minister

of Finance, he is not going to be outdone. He is a competitive individual. I

know; I go to the gym with him. The people over there are worried, the people

who work at the gym, because he is so competitive that, after not going to the

gym for years and years and years, he goes over, jumps on a treadmill, puts her

on bust, and he goes flat out. His color is so purple that they are worried that

someone is going to have to do mouth-to-mouth on him one of these nights. I am

not kidding you, they are worried about him.

Anyway, Mr. Speaker, not to be sidetracked -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

If the shouting continues across the House, the Chair will have no other

recourse but to identify the people who are causing the disturbance. I ask if

members would show respect to the member who has been identified, and allow the

member to be heard in silence.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I hope you do identify them. Maybe I will do it.

Mr. Speaker, not to be outdone, because he has such a competitive spirit, not

only did he raise every single fee that an individual in this Province has to

pay for a government service, but he had to come up with a new one. He had to

come up with a new fee that was never charged before. He had to find one. Now,

where did he go to find it? Because, from the day you are born, you pay for a

birth certificate and you pay for everything that is provided by government in

some fee or another, right to the rabbit licence and the polar bear licence. He

had to outdo everybody else and not only raise every fee but he had to dream up

a new one. Guess what he came up with, Mr. Speaker? He knew that he got you

coming into the world but, guess what? Every politician before him in the

history of this Province forgot about getting you on the way out. So, what did

he do? He brought in a new fee. He brought in a new fee, a death certificate.

Now, can you imagine? Personally, that doesn't bother me because I would go

out laughing, after I die, and say, well, that is one fee the government did not

get from me; but, unfortunately, if I leave anything - my house, to my children

- in order to settle the estate with government, they are going to be caught

with the fee.

So, what did they do? They cut civil servants, they fired teachers, they

closed courthouses, social services offices, highways depots. They jacked up

every fee. Instead of decreasing the ferry rates, like the Premier promised, on

every island community in the Province, he raised them. Then what happened?

By the way, in the Budget of 2003, the government of which I was a part, and

proud to be a part - because, contrary to what the Member for Mount Pearl says

about we did nothing for education, I beg to differ. In the last three years

that we were in government we spent in the area of $250 million in those three

years on new school construction and school renovations alone. I

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