PROVINCE OF NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY Volume 1 Number 82 4th. Session 34th. General Assembly VERBATIM REPORT WEDNESDAY, MAY 27, 1970 SPEAKER: THE HONOURABLE GEORGE W. CLARKE

May 27th., 1970 Tape 1002 Page 1 The House resumed at 3:00 p.m. Mr. Speaker in the Chair. PRESENTING PETITIONS MR. R. BARBOUR: Mr. Speaker, I think it was the weekend of last week that the bon. the Premier said, "the first petition presented to this hon. House came from Bonavista Bay." Sir, I beg to present another petition from Bonavista Bay. This petition comes from three communities; namely, Lethbridge, Bloomfield and Husgravetovo - Lethbridge, Bloomfield and Musgravetown. The petition, Mr. Speaker, is signed by 443 people - genuine Liberals~ just a sprinkling. The petition, Mr.

Speaker, is addressed to the Don. ·House o{ Assembly and reads as follows: If I may be permitted to quote: "Whereas the road connecting the communities of Lethbridge, Bloomfield and Musgravetown, extending for a distance of approximately seven miles, is in a poor condition; and

whereas this road is used for the transport of approximately 600 high school and elementary school pupils; and

whereas this road is impassable iipring for heavy vehicles duringAthaw. Therefore, your petitioners, citizens of ~thbridge, citizens of Rusgravetown, citizens of Bloomfield, thereby pray that you wi11 take steps to ensure that this road be upgraded and paved during the sum.er, 1970 and all your petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray." Mr. Speaker, 1 recall, when the Premier officially opened the high school in Musgravetown a few years ago. I heard him say. There is not one able-bodied .an in Musg_·avetown seeking relief. · That is true today, Mr. Speaker.

I know. lbere is not one - not one~ unlen it is somebo~y 'who ·may be sick. No able-bodied men are receiving relief in Musgravetown 1 in Bloomfield and in Lethbridge, unless it is somebody ~ick. Now why is this? Because, Hr. Speaker. we have some of the largest vegetable farms in Newfoundland, in Musgravetown, in Morley Siding. in:Lethbridge. in Winter Brook and one of the largest sawmills in ~loo~!ield. Mr. Speak~r, these communities are prosperous .communities,and theY. look for nothing from the Government, only what they think. they justly deserve. Now, Sir, the road in question is seven miles long and, Mr.

Speaker, I know

May 27th •• 1970 Tape no. 1002 Page 2 Mr. Barbour. for a fact. I have been there many times. Because of the dust nuisance,, you can write your name on the floors, on the window ledge, on the table, in every room. in every house in Bloomfield. in Lethbridge and in !iusgravetown. Mr. Speaker, there were two fatal accidents four or five years ago caused because of · the dust clouds. They tell me this was proven in che court. Hr. Speaker, you cannot rise your windows. You· cannot open your doors for dust. Oh! we got pavement all right. But we have pavements of dust in tbeir houses. Mr.

Speaker, the high school is the same way. You cannot open the windows. You cannot open the doors, because of the dust. Now, then, all that the peopl~ are asking for is the upgrading of the road and when the roa~ then settles, within a year after tnat, some paving. I understand that after a road is upgraded above the standard,it has to wait for a while before it is pavep 4 Mr. Speaker. I, also, know something else. Petitioners came into St. John's about eight or ten days ago and contacted me. They then went and they saw the ~ister of Highways.

Be was very courteous to them and said that he would give it further consideration, and I think, Sir. this is why this petition is bein2 presented. I would like to invite the Minister of Highways. I would like to invite the Minister of Community and Social Development to take a trip with me, through the three communities I have just mentioned, and I hope it will be a fine, sunny day and warm so they will get a taste of the dust. I am sure, Mr. Speaker. if they do, they will open their hearts, and they will try to get a few dollars between DREE and the Highways Department to pave dbis road.

I notice the hon. the Speaker is looking at his watch and I am not even var.ed up. Mr. Speaker, there is so much can be said, but I would like, Sir 0 to support · this petition, because this upgrading of·the road, thfs paving of the road, is so necessary to people who are prosperous, to people who are hodest, to people who work from day light: to dark, in the woods, in the sa\ollllill and on the f~rms, providing for the familes. Sir. I cannot too strongly support this petition and as long ~as water runs 5105

May 27th., 1970 Tape no 1002 l'age 3 Mr. Baruou:::. Wet and grass grows green, unless we get the pavement in Lethbridge, in Bloomfield, in_Musgravetown, we are going to have dust just as long. I am sure that the Government. I am sure that the Minister of Highways will take this into consideration, and I,Sir, have much pleasu~e in supporting the people's petition. I ask that it be received and referred to the department to which it relates. HON. J,·. R. SHALLWOOD (Premier): Mr. Speaker, for a number of reasons, I rise to support the prayer of the petition, we have just heard.

In the first place, because of the eloquent speech that the non. member has made - one of the most eloquent speeches we have heard in the Chamber for sometime. In the second place, because the petition comes from Bonavista Bay, my own native bay where I was born. I am proud that I was born there.

Third, because in the very places that are mentioned in the petit~on, I remember going in a small aircraft, landing in·Goose Bay and with a public speaker, address speaker fixed on the wing, addressing the people of those three places telling them how good a thing i~ would be for them and for alLNewfoundland, if Confederation came, The tide drifted us down. We landed near Bloomfield, and I spoke to them and the tide carried the plane alon~ and the next t~ing we were passing Musgrave, and I think we went down as far as Canning's Cove.

I support it, because it is from Bonavista Bay - my own native bay, and because they gave me such great support for Confederation, and I support it because, in the galleries today, we have a band of Bonavista Bay skippermen, Labrador skippermen w:10m I am so glad to welcome to the Chamber. They do not come any better in i.'l'.:.·•foundland than the Bonavista Bay, Labrador ikippermen, and we can feel complimented in this House todpy to have a number of them in the galleries visiting us. They have a problem, too.

They are not preseqting ~petition to this Chamb~r, but they are making strong representation to the Government and to other authorities here and in Ottawa, and I know that they have the sympathy of this House. I do not know .iust what can be done about this roa.d. this year. Every year, we have the .~me problelJI, lltiust . ., and dust and dust and as the number of cars and the number of trucks increase year bv year, I 510G

May 27th •• 1970 I _ape no 1002 ·Page 4 Mr. Smallwood . tHe traffic gets worse year by year and people drive faster year by year and more cars and trucks are on the roads year by year, it must be absolutely maddening to the housewives. It must be utterely maddening to the shop}teepers and maddening to the churches and to the schools to have dust drifting in the way it does, and there is really only one an_swer.

There is really .. only one cure and that is paving and the paving not _only stops the dust and not only makes for better driving, but the paving also saves the Government a lot of money in keeping up these roads, in annual repairs, because no matter how long you repair gravel roads, no matter how many years go by, ten,years, twenty years, fifty years, you uever can get a gravel road in the proper condition, until you pave it. So, you save a lot of money by paving it, but then on the other hand, it takes a lot of money to do the paving and so many places in Newfoundland still have not got any roads at all.

Tnere are still a few "places in Newfoundland with no roads, and there are still places in Newfoundland with no electric lights, and there are still places on this Island with practically nothing after" twenty-one years of Confederation. So, while we have every possible sympathy with the desire of those people in Goose Bay and there are a lot of people there who want it. There are a lot of people everywhere in Newfoundland and gradually, bit by bit, year by year, we are getting more and more roads paved.

We have 1100 or 1200 miles paved now, since Confederation and we have to pave a few 1110re thousand miles, but it takes about $2JO million al'ld that is not so easy to get today in this world, as it was two or three years ago. However, I give it my strong support, and I hope that my colleague, the Minister of Highways who i~ not in the Chamber at the moment, will take this petition and give it very, veri SJmpathetic consideration indeed. MR •• Ata'"THOtlY J. ~lURPHY (Leader of the Opposition). Mr. Speaker, I would like to rise to support this.

I think a fe~days ago it was brought up in this House that the welcoming of guests so on and so forth was becoming rather political. I support this, because I have m~y friends in the area ref~rred . to by the hon. member from Bonavista South - a very good consti~uent of mine. He supports me, pretty well, in every election. He does everything but campaign openly for me. Buw for the reason, Mr. Speaker, not ·because they voted for Confederation, not because they voted 5107

~ · .·-· ~y 27t~ •• 1970 Tape no 1002 Page 5 Mr. Murphy. Liberal, but because ~ey ·are NewfoundlaLders and our feeling has beea, and 1 express the sentiments, 1 think, expressed by our party for aany years, that all Newfoundlanders should bear some benefit from the h406flt$ that have come to us from Confederation. 1 have driven this area many times, and I must agree very sincerely with the hon. member down there that the dust menance is terrible.

We have two alternatives now, either to get the road upgraded and paved or supply the owners of cars with radar and, perhaps, some kind of a system for the housewives to keep the J ust out. I have been in their homes there during the Federal by-election, during the Federal election, and it is amazing what primitive conditions exist, as far as dust is concerned in that district. For twenty-one years, perhaps, they have taken the wrong course on election days, I do not know. If I were the Minister of Higbvays, 1 would certainly see that something is done immediately, but I am not.

If 1 were, I would start, possibly, next ~~nday and get the thing right underway, because they ~wonderful people down there, and I can only support vhat the han. member, the petition he brought in, and in addttion, I would like to support those fishermen referred to by the bon. the Premier from Bonavista Bay. 1 presume they are the fishermen who have gone to the Labrador for many years and now find that their iiving has been cut off, through inaction on aomeone's part, and all my sympathies are with these gentlemen, aod I certa i nly hope that things will work out to their benefit where they can go back to earning a decent living in the greet fishing industry, which afterall is tbe backbone of this Province.

If we do not get fishing, it is just as well for us to fold up and everybody move to Toronto. So, I have very much· pleasure, Mr. Speaker, in supporting the petition as presented by th~ bon. member for Bonavista South• MR. JOfu~ C. CROSBIE: Mr. Speaker, we too want to support .the eloquent plea of the mE:mber for Bonavista South; particularly, in view of the fact that he has hurled a challenge at us to. run against him down in that great district of 5108

May 27tb., 1970 Tape no 1002 Page 6 Mr. Crosbte • . Bonavista South -an even greater reason to support this petition. I am sure that if the dust pEoblem is not settled before the next election, I am sure that the bon. member will be so disgusted that he will not even venture to run down there in the next election. MR. MURPHY: Not for tila t side anyway. MR. CROSBIE: Mr.

Speaker, I would also like to welcome the fishermen from Bonavista Bay - the Labrador fishermen from Bocavista Bay or the fishermen from Bonavista Bay who ~sh on the Labrador, and we nave not beard very much as to whether there i~ to be any solution to their problem, Mr. Speaker, and the time is get~ing very late, We can only say that if the do Government of Canada do not,more than they have done to help them that our Government will find itself able to do something to put these men back to gainful vork in the fisheries.

We have just heard that Captain Burry froa Glovertvon is not going to engage in the Labrador fishery this year, because of the prices. There certainly needs to be come statement made by the Government of Canada and our own Government on just what is to be done about the Labrador fishery or whether or not there is to be one. In any event, we hope that they will recover from this misfortune, and we wish them well, and we hope to hear something on this within the next week or two, before it is too late altogether, Mr. Speaker. MR. HAROLD COLLINS: Mr.

Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to rise in my pl~c~ in support of the petition which was so ably preseuted by the hon. member for Bonavista South, with regard to the need for upgrading and paving of the roads through Letbbrige and Bloomfield and Musgravetown. I know many of the people there, and I Uiust .agree. with the member, when he says that they are a very hard-working group of people - possessor• of a great amount of -- native ingenuity.

Certainly, they can be regarded.as almost the neglected people in that particular part of Newfoundland, and I would hope that the Hinister of Highways will be able to accommodate them and get working on the road this year. 5109

Kay 27th., 1970 Tape no 1002 Page 7 Mr. Collins. Sir, I would also like to take advantage of the timing to welcome the 'Labrador fishermen from the norths .ide of Bonavill ta Bay, I suspect,. Sir. I remember in my early years, when I fished mysel( and very often toOk great delight of watching the numerous - the hundreds of schooners as they entered the east end of Stag Harbour Run and went on through as far a~ Labrador. These . were years a long time ago. but not all that long, Mr. Speaker.

I would suspect that some of the same gentlemen today who are in the galleries and are still attempting to prosecute the fishery. bear some of the names- the famous names of the flsh killers of Newfoundland, i.e. 1 Cuttlers. Davises. Pickets, Rodgers. Burries and Blackwoods, and I would only hope 1 Sir, that arrangements will be made by the Federal Go.vernment which Government • .

I suppose. has the primary responsibility and jurisdiction of this particular area. that the Federal Government will make the necessary arrangements so that those people can return to the Labrador fishery and hopefully have a · good year. I would also hope that this Government, this Provincial Government,would give them all the backing which they certa~nly.need and certainly deserve in ' trying to persuade the Federal Government to become sensitive to the great problem facing them and that they will return to the Labrador fishery and have a good summer. 5110

May 27th. 1970 Tape 1003 PK - 1 liON. H. STARKES: (MINISTER OF HIGBWAYS)t Mr. Speaker, it seems as if the bon. Leader of the Opposition is giving up all hope not only of becoming Premier of the Province, but also becoming the '1-tinister of Highways after listening to what he would do if he were Minister of nighways, he would be down there tomorrow morning and so on. In the meantime, }ir. Speaker, if this petition is received by the House and referred to the Department of liighways, I assure the honourable House that it will receive every possible consideration. !{R. JOHN MAHONEY: Mr.

Speaker, I also have a peti~ion to present to the House. HR. SPEAKER: I might say before I put the motion, this is one of the very few petitions being presented in its proper form and in accordance with the' rules that we have had this year. Moved and seconded that this petition be received and referred to the department to which it relates. MR. JOHN HAHONEY: Mr. Speaker, I have a petition from 115 residents of Manuals Road in Manuals in the district of Harbour ~fain, which I have the honour to represent in this House.

And the prayer of the petitioo is ~a~ those ~esidents do petition the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador to consider the . paving of that road during this current season. This road was widen and upgraded nearly ten years ago • and since that time the people residing on that road have paid the cost of oiling'the road yearly. There is a school located on the road, and there is also extra traffic occasioned by the fact that the older children from the area are taken by bus to other schools in the area Conception Bay South.

Added traffic comes in the summer season, because this area is a very popular resort for people from the St. John'~ Metropolitian Area who use that as a summ~r resort. I think that even though I support it, I will support what my hon. friend the member for Bonavista South has said, there might be little greater hope of getting something done this year, I would hope in connection with this area, it is a small piece of road, heavily travelled, dusty in summer and the usual 5111

;.t.( - L MR. MAHONEY: mud conditions in spring. I personally sympathize with the residents on that road who keep their homes ~n excellent condition. They like to keep their grounds well, and this is an impossible task in summer time with the dust conditions. Mr. Speaker, I give my ~~ole-hearted support to the prayer of this petition, and ask that it be received by the House and referred to the . .~ .- . department to which it relates. MR. SPEAKER: Moved and seconded that this petition be received and referred to the department to which it relates. UR. A. HURPHY: Mr.

Speaker, I would like to add my support to that petition, being a livery of that area, pretty near it for some months of the summer, I have not a great estate or a large ranch or anything like that, just a small humble estate, I spent a couple of months of the summer up there, and I am thoroughly familiar with the conditions as outlined by the hon. member. And the conditions that generally apply to .: all these roads in the summertime, when I am looking at the bon.

Minister of Supply and Services there, perhaps some of us more wealt~y tycoons who can go to the country for the summer have to put up witb dust and it costs us a few dollars extra for oil. But I would like to put forth the idea, Mr.

Speaker, if I may at this time, that some of these roads ·and I believe, if they were oiled properly, perhaps graded and oiled, if pavement is not imminent perhaps we all realize the cost of paving all these roads is quite,very expensive, but some of these roads that are very shortyperhaps a mile or two miles, so on and so forth, if our Highways Department would develop a system of grading and oiling these roads for the few short months of summe~might come up to help a lot of the livers .. in the area.

But I would support t~e pe~ition quite openly and I would hope that all these petitions coming forward now, and I think they are brought out in view of the great announcement we had a few weeks ago, were every nook and cranny of the Province was to be paved, and perhaps some of these were omitted 511"2

MR. MURPHY: because they could not find them on the map. So people are just bringing them to the attention of the bon, Minister of Highways and for that reason I would sug~est that the bon. Minister of Highways add this piece of road on his list. MR. SPEAKER: Moved and seconded that this petition be received and referred to the department to which it relates. FURTHER PRESENTATION OF PETITIONS MR. WILLIAM SMALUIOOD: Hr. Speaker, I beg leave to present a petition from the people of Port Alison on -Sunny Cove Island. Now, lfr.

Speaker, as you well know on Sunny Cove Island there are two communities, one is Port Anson and the other is Miles Cove. Approximately a week ago in this P.ouse I presented . a ..o petition with the same prayer from the people of Miles c·ove, and this is the second part of the petition from the people now of Port Anson.

The prayer of this petition, Sir, is the same as the one from ~ales Cove namely; for the construction of a highway from the Robert's Arm Road to the Sea,· Shore opposite the settlement o_f Port Anson; and then for the construction of a causeway across the short stretch of salt water to the Island itself, so that the people of Sunny Cove Island and the two communities on it will have a road connection with the remainder of the Province. Mr. Speaker, I strongly support the prayer . of this petition and ask that it be received by the House and referred to the department to ~.rhich it relates. ,'!R.

SPEAKER: ~mved and seconded that this petition be received and referred to the department to which it relates. NOTICE OF MOTION HON. L. R. CURTIS: (HINISTER OF JUSTICE) : Hr. Speaker, I will on tomorrm,• ask leave to introduce A Bill, "

An Act To Provide For the Ownership of Individual Units In Buildings". 5113

• J'lay .tltn. l~/U Tape 1003 PK- 4 ANS~~RS TO OUE~TIONS HON. J. R. CHALKER: (NINISTF.R OF PUBLIC WORKS): Hr. Speaker, I have several answers here, I am looking through them, I notice there are a f~ omissions, but they= are not great admission. ln answer to question No. 154 on the Order Paper of Harch Sth. in the name of th~ hon. member for St. John's West. The last part of the question asked us to supply copies of leases.

There is only actually one lease I have been informed that we were responsible for, as the other are Crown Corporations , would be the Board of Liquor Control, ·and that at present is in the Department of Justice. Well that was what I was informed, nane of those leases are presently in the files of the Department of Public Works at the present time, that is the reason I have he~d a question.

I thought they would like to have the square footage and the cost, they are ~ot a~ of ten minutes ago or a half an hour ago in the Department of Public Works, but if they are available I will certainly have them copied and sent to this House. Also the answer to Question 178 on the Order Paper of March 6th. in the name of the bon. the member for Humber East. On the Order Paper of April 9th. Question No. 344 - AN HON. ME~ffiER: Inaudible. MR. CHALKER: I am tabling them all, Mr. Speaker. In the name of the hon. Member for St. John's West. That will be_tabled and 1 am tabling them all.

On the Order Paper of April 15th. Question No. 437 by the hon. the member for Burin, and this relates to the works of art in the Czechoslovakian Pavilon. In the answer it gives $178,210.19, I will be tabling·tbis~yod do not have to mark it down, iq addi.tion to that Hr. Speaker, there is the y.lass fountain erected in the Sir Richard Squire Government Buildin~ at Corner Brook which amount to I think roughly $22,000. The total of this ~4terial, this art in round figures is $200,000.

• J"!OJ LIL.O. J..'7/U 'fape 1003 PK - 5 HR. CHALKZ:R: And answer to question 496 on the Order Paper of April 30th., in the name of the hon. member for Bonavista North. I wish to table those an~wers, Mr. Speaker. ORDERS OF TilE DAY HR. HURPHY: ~lr. Speaker, just before we come to Orders of the Day, I would like to direct a question to the hon. Premier, if he could clear the air with reference to a statement made in this House about the Atlantic Brewing to be ·_ p~,~rchased by Hr. Ben Ginter, and Hr.

Ginter's statement aver radio that we hear, if there is anything that the Premier could define for us, because the two statements seem to be conflicting, I am just wondering if the Premier would like to inform the House at this time, if there is anything new on this Atlantic Brewing deal1 MR. SMALUlOOD: Is that addressed to me? HR. HURPHY: Yes. MR. SHALU!OOD:- I did not hear the question completely, but I understand I am asked if there is anythi~g new that I know of in connection with the purchase of the Brewery by Ginter?

MR. ~roRPHY: ~ith reference to the Premier's statement that Ginter would be possibly taking over the Brewery? MR. S~~LLWOOD: Now possibly he is taking it over, yes he is taking over the Brewery, there was quite a delay caused by the lawyers, first the lawyers in St. John's who had to draw up agreecents, and "then the lawyers for one of the trust companies, and then I think the lawyers for the bank, the various lawyers, and then finally the l~~ers in,I think, Montreal , and then the documents had to go to British Columbia for Hr. Ginter's own attention and perhaps his signature.

In all events there was quite a bit of delay caused by the lawyers, who often do cause delay. Probably ri~htly so, probably a justifable delay, but delay just the same. And I know that Mr. Gineer was very angry over the delay, he was quite an~ry. he was more than angry, anpry is too mild a word, for his feelinr,s about the delay, because he wanted to ~et p.oin~. 5115

MR. SHALLHOOD: No..: I have not heard anything for two or three days, I do not know whether everythinp, now has been si~ned, I just have not heard anything for several days. But ~ have no doubt that the deal has been made, but not consUll'llllate9, because·the .:cons\JII1l!lation of it depended on the drafting of certain legal documents, which drafting was in the hands of the different sets of lawyers, his lawyers, the-trust companies lawyers~ the bank lawyers, and I do not know what other lawyers. MR. WELLS: ~lr. Speaker, a supplementary question.

I think this is probably the real question that the Leader of the Opposition was asking, Mr. Ginter denied this morning that he would assume any responsibility whatsoever for the $407,000 that is owing to the Newfoundland Liquor Commission. He has reported on radio station C . .J.O.N. I believe, in a voice comment,has denying that he would accept any responsibility for it whatsoever and I believe, went further to state that the ~ more he saw, that the less interested he was becoming in the whole proposal. In the light of the Premier's statement to us ••••• MR.

SMALLWOOD: I .think that shows that the less the radio stations and the politicans but in on it, the better for the Province. If he is to be hounded by every radio station . ringing in, and if he is to be hounded by questions in the House of Assembly, it is as good a way that I know of as any to drive him out of the Province. MR. WELLS: · Mr. Speaker, before Orders of the Day· are called, I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Public Works.

I would like to ask him if he has made any arrangements or if the Government have made any arrangements to have an immediate investigation carried out into the construction of the Janeway Apartments in light of the fact, that they costed much more than doubled per square foot, as cost to the public building in Corner Brook? On the information tabled, that would warrant an immediate ~nvestipation, I would think. 5116

PK - 7 MR. CHALKER: I would like notice of that question, Mr. Speaker. MR. WELLS: Would the minister accept that as·notice? l.Jould he accept my · question now as notice? MR. CHALKER: No, Hr. Speaker, that is rather a ~ealthy question, I "WOuld like to have it put on the Order Paper. MR. HICKMAN: Mr. Speaker, before you call 0rders of the Day, would the hon. Minister of Social Services and Rehabilitation who has been investigating this matter report to the House, as to the situation concerning the couple who are living in a motor vehicle? HR. NEARY: Yes, Hr.

Speaker, I c·an confirm the fact that there are a couple living in a car in Grand Bank. The officials of my department in Grand Bank have offered the couple alternative accommodations, we have offered to pay their board and lodgings until permanent shelter can be found. They have refused, there children are living with relatives at the moment. I understand from. reports that I have been getting from my officials in the area that they have also been offered accommodations by one of the churches in the area. They have refused this.

They were offered a summer house, I believe, and that was refused because it was not in the mumicipality and they did not have a bathroom in the House. And there is such a thing in this country, Mr. Speaker, as civil liberties and I think Canadah&s subscribed to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and if these people elect to live in a car or live in a tent, or live in an igloo, I do not think that there is anyway that we can force them out of it.

We have offered the best solution that we have at the moment, and they have refused to accept it, we are ~iving the matter of finding peraanent shelter ·top priority. And this is all I can say about it at the moment, Mr. Speaker. ORDERS OF TIIF. DAY Mll. CHALKER: lfuen my hon. friend the bon. !!!ember for St. Barbe South noved 5117

• •lli~ .<.II.Uo l.7/U Tape .l\JU3 Pk - 8 ~ffi. CHALKF.R: this motion, when I was absent from the House I think for approximately two weeks. Upon my return I was informed that this White Paper which my colleaeue the hon. t-11nister of Hines, Agriculture and Resources had been workin~ at for approximately over a year would be presented. I believe, I told the Premier at the time that on the presentation of this wonderful document on the Great Northern Peninsula, that the member for St. Barbe South would withdraw his motion. However, that did not happen.

And for the last three or four Wednesday's we have heard all sorts of words, all sorts of praises and sometimes abuse from one of the other sides, which I think leaves most of the people in the Northern Peninsula still ignorant of the fact of what actually the hon. member's motion from St. Barbe South means to them, and as well as the White Paper. I was more than surprised, Sir, when the bon. member for St. Barbe South did not withdraw this motion.

He and I have been great personal friends and 1 know we will continue that, although at one time we saw eye to eye politically, as a matter of fact I think,possibly I was the one that started him on his political career. At least 5118

Tape 01004 Pa~e 1 HR. CHALKER: At least I p,ot his toes wet. I am sorrv now I did not r~t him up to his neck. or possibly he would have another idea of mavin~ across the floor. Another reason I am surprised by the hon. e.entleman vr. Soeater. is the fact that in this House, I think that he and I are the only members present that really know the ~treat Northern peninsula. From Hiltondale to St. Anthony, or to Cook's Harbour.

I say that in all honesty as both "of us have travelled it many many times, and I have·been representing that district when it extended from Wiltondale to Big Brook for two elections, starting in 1959, and was introduced to that district by the Premier, and believe it or not Mr. Speaker, by the father-in-law of the hon. member for St. Barbe . South. I was walking slightly ahead of the Premier at the time. But at · that time I said to the Premier - he asked me if I would be interested in running for St. Barbe South, but I had ideas then of possibly getting out of politics.

And I said I would like to have a district, perhaps this is a wee bit away from the subject Mr. Soeaker, but I want to bring out a point. That I would like to visit the district first, which he and I did. And the late Mr. Walter Butler met us and made arrangements "for us to go down the coasts for as far as the road extended, just a little bit beyond Rocky Harbour. I made a complete tour after that. When I came back to the Premier, I said yes, I would like to run for that district if there is any possibility of extending the road from Rocky Harbour on through St. Barbe North to White Bay North.

He asked me how much it would cost, and I said approximately $11 million to $12 million. And he said, "'we will try,'' and we tried. Now Sir, that road ·as my bon. friend from St. Barbe South knows quite well - I am leaving the parks out for just· a mo~ent or so - that road Mr. Speaker, ~as completed I believe, in 1962 I believe, and was completed jus~ a little ways past Reefs Harbour called Sizes Brook. Sir, that road since its completion, has meant the em~loyment of at least 5119

Hay 21, 1970 Tape 111004 PaRe 2 300 to 500 people in little small industries, shops, truckin~ concerns and taxis. This in itself Sir, I know it is a lot of money to pay for 300 to 400 jobs at that time, QUt still Sir, it kept that coast, took that coast completely out of isolation. One r~vernor at the time, I believe it was Governor 1mcDonald I am not quite sure, travellin~ down that coast by war ship, landed at Flower's Cove and was greeted by the people there· whom he addressed.

And one of the members attending that meetin~ I thinkit was the late Angus Genge 1 asked the Governor would they ever have a road down through that area of the Province. And he said, "never. Well :t-1r. Speaker, it took a man to be elected into this community tell as Premier to that Governor who I believe is dead many years ago, that he was quite wrong. The road is there. It is.a good road as gtavel roads go. It is considered to be equivalent to any gravel road in North America. Now what I want to do this afternoon Hr.

Speaker, is to put in plain language just what this park and this ~-:h.ite Paper in conjunction would mean in the economics of that entire coast. There is no doubt Sir, that the Bonne Bay Park, is probably situated in ·the most beautiful part of Newfoundland. I have travelled all over it. I have not climbed the Gros Home. I have no intention to. I have not climbed up Table 'fountain, although I believe some people do go partridge shooting, I believe it is in season, not out of season anyhow.

But I have travelled down,which is part of my district, through that area, and.it always reminds me of the bad lands one would see in the Movies, cowboys and Indians,do~~ to the Nickel Theatre years ago. It is impressive so much in its bareness. It is rather peculiar. It is a volcanis from waste formation, but very beautiful in its ruggedness to watch and to drive through. After you leave the main highways S~r, at· the entrance to this road, you climb a very, very steep hill. You go alon~ those mountains Hhere there is snm-1, I have seen it there all summer long.

And then all of a sudclen you ~o down another steep hill after about six to eight miles and you coMe onto 5120

Hay 2f, 1970 Tape #1004 Pa~e 3 a fiord, I suppose I would call it, a green grassy place with a beautiful river, where the settlement of .Trout River is. It is absolutely marvelous. I do not know of any other place that I have seen that could match its beauty, well to a certain extent, it is like lookin~ down on Corner Brook from the Trans Canada Highway. It is a terrific depth down belot-r, which · is a beautiful sight too.

Now Sir, this I believe - oh no, I have listened to those people now for the last ten weeks, and I would not like to say the word I would like to say, but it is something you just have to hold in buckets. I do not think we would have the facilities to carry what is in this House. I will pin it down later on. Sir, where the area of this Park is, is terrific, and since they built the road around !.]estern Arm, from Wiltondale over to Rocky Harbour, I must say it was only last year the hon. member for St. Barbe South and I drove down through my district and his district.

And I took many, many pictures of this beautiful sight. If anyone· in this House has not gone over that road, I certainly suggest that they do it this summer. It certainly is worth a trip Sir, and it is a part of the land that can never be spoiled in my opinion. It just cannot be spoiled. ~ot even with Silica. NR WELLS: l-lhat about the salmon pool? MR. CHALKER: I will suggest that salmon pool to the hon. gentleman the 26 of September. I believe the season closes then, because I hope to go down there before that date Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will tell you it is a good salmon pool.

It is probably the best one in Newfoundland, the Castor River. And that is in my district, one of the best districts in Newfoundland Hr. Speaker. Of course everybody knows that. Now Sir. this Park. I have no doubt about this Park going there. I have no doubt whatsoever. But I am very proud of my friend, the ·Minister 51~1

May 2~, 1970 Tap~ Ul004 Pa11;e 4 of Mines, Agriculture and Resources, in this Paper which he has brought forward in conjunction with this proposed National Park at Bonne Bay. He has put in there some sort of a bar~aining right which we did many years ago in the Terra Nova Park out around the Gander area. And we have bar~ained, as has been heard already in this House }lr. Speaker, take the overage of wood each year and various other agreements I think ac the time, that part of the agreement was that they had to pave through the Park. Yes, it held up for about a year, possibly two years.

But we got all that at no cost to this community. Now Hr. Speaker, this l.fuite Paper envisages, first of all, a National Park, and then to overcome any losses which this Government, or the people of Newfoundland would suffer due to the findine of minerals, the possibtlities of oil, that the Federal Government would pave this road right through the Northern Peninsula down as far as Meadows is it? ))own to St. Anthony. If they did this Sir, in my opinion, it woula be equivalent to about two or three . industries being placed here. And not only would it be equivalent Nr. Speaker.

It would be the means of brinp:inF; two or three industries in there. At the present time in St. Barbe South, they have a large build-up of fish~ng plants at Port au Choix. Also close by at Ha,.rke 's Bay . they are now about to open a new tyPe of saw mill. Fowever Sir, if this road is continued on down through, say to St. Anthonv, and I will say before I leave the Port au Choix area Sir, in this report it hopes to put there an Airport. !!ow Sir, that Airport can be put there I think cheaper than anywhere else that I know of in Newfoundland. It is a God-made place with gravel I think.

All they would have to do Sir, at that place would be to scarify it, strengthen it up and pave it. Of course it \vould have to be engineered. In that -particular area Sir, I believe thev built a mile of road a day. It was just a matter of takin~ off the over-burden of this place, and opening up a beautiful surface and ditchin~ it on t~e side. Although it is not in my district, it is only a very, very fe1-1 miles a<-•ay. 5122 I l

Tape 11!004 Pa~e 5 I think about thirty. Twenty-five miles from Barr'd Harbour, probably thirty from Castor River, that would not ~e quite that much. This road Sir, would open up probably the ~reatest tourist development that is this Island will ever see. This~from Port au Choix north goin~ into St. Barbe North. Actually Hr. Speaker, you have in that area from St. Barbe South to St. Barbe North, two entirely different countries. St. Barbe South is hilly, terrific ravines, and practically all of the people living by the seashore.

But as you go farther north and leave the Port au Choix go area, you., into the road whic\:1 is close by the sea, but the long range mountains RO farther eastward, and eventually flatten right out as one goes onward to Flower's Cove area, which my hon. friend from Fortune had the good fortune of visiting and praising very highly at one time. · If this road is paved Sir, in this particular area, you ~annot divide the two districts, it is practically impossible, ~ecause one wor~s with the other.

You will have the greatest trade in tourists, far better by a hundred percent, five hundred percent that we are en;oying in this Province of ours today. Not only that Sir, as one goes further along the coast to the north, you automatically come into sight of the be11.utiful Labrador coast, Forteau, Blanc Sablan, where at the present time, we are running a ferry. The Government are ~unning a ferry from St. Barbe, the settlement of St. Barbe over to Forteau. I think it takes ahout four to five hours, and I had the good fortune, again I cannot divorce this hon. gentleman Hr.

Speaker, because he was Hith me at the time. I saw most of the trip, I will not say what happened to the other gentleman. It was rather rough at the time, but those things do haopen to the very best of us. MR. ~~LWOOD: He has been seasick ever since. HR. CHALKER: I would not say. it was all seasick Sir. HR. ~-IRYnEN: lve have listened nm" for almost eight ~Jeeks concerntn!! 51;:3

May zq, 1970 Tape 011104 Page 6 the White Paper, ann the Notion here on the floor is to debate the Bonne Bay Park. It has nothing to do wi. t1l roads way up around Labrador. And I would like to ask the hon. ~entleman, ~~cakin~ about roads, does he remember that almost three years a~o, two years a~o at least, the hon. member for St. Barbe North and White Bay ~orth made a public statement, that one of their first priorities would be to have that road paved right from Deer Lake to St. Anthony? That is almost two years ago, before the \fuite Paper was thought about. question }ffi. CHALKER: That is quite right Mr.

Speaker. The only ~here is;who is going to pay for it? The - Provincial Government or the Federal Government? I believe the Federal Government will eventually come in and pay for this road. I know everybody will hope so, but I feel absolutely certain Sir, that they will. As I said before Mr. Speaker, that we did some trading on the Park in the Central Newfoundland Terra Nova Park, .and I do not see w_hy "~<7e cannot do some ·tradin~ on this for the benefit of Newfoundlanders. It took I think about ei~ht years I think to complete that Park. t~e still have two years to go ~r. S1Jeaker.

And I do not believe we will have to wait that long •. Personally, I do not think we will have to wait that long. I know the Premier is right. He is always right as far as I am concerned. And we will know within a month, less than a month now, I· probably a week to ten days. I MR. SMALLWOOD: Three weeks, the fourth week is gone, that leaves three weeks. to keep to MR. CHALKER: Mr. Speaker, my hon. friend asked me/ the subject to his Motion.

I think I have kept to the subject of his Notion, because I bought this in with it too, and 1 think this is nart of the 'totion, inasmuch that we want the Park as much as my hon. friend wants .the Park. 1 want the Park. I am sure everyone on this side of the House and the other side of the House wan~ the Park. But what is wrong with us tryin~ to 512·1

get a road paved with the help of the Federal Government riRht throu~h that western part of Newfoundland? I am -sure my hon. friend from St. Barbe South and all the bon. ~entlemen opposite would love to see it done Sir, I am sure they would. They why do they criticize if ve are trying to do a little bit of bar~aining? We have to bargain. Getting back to another point Mr. Speaker, about welfare. This Park itself. The way I look at parks. It is a place that people will go and enjoy themselves one, two or three weeks.

They are very, very popular in Newfoundland today. ~~ bon. friend on the opposite side says, he is lookin~ at it absolutely wrong. He thinks it will take a terrific amount of labour. Yes at the start. But it will end up with fifty or sixty people there permanently employed. Fifty or sixty peoole. Now Mr. Speaker, if this road goes throuP,h I preface my remarks by saying that 300 to 500 jobs were put there by a dirt road. I say out of there would be 2,000 to 3,000 _.iobs Sir, will devel<>p the road that is paved. And if I may, I would like to give you some examples.

Port au Choix as I said before, in m~ bon. f.riend's district,is a great fishing center in that particular area. You move down to Reef's Harbour, Brig Bay as you go farther north there are other fishing centers. But Sir, when the glut of fish comes on - the glut of fish comes along here in St·. Barbe. We have fellows in my 'district fishing there. They just take the Port au Choix men - my men have to go back. and either throw up their fish and salt it down, which they have done, and get· :tt in trucks and drive it seventy to ei~hty miles to St. Anthony, which is ridiculous.

And Sir, there would be more fish hauled out of that area Mr. Speaker, if those roads were properly paved. I was talking to my bon. friend, I still have to refer to him. He is very fortunate he sold out his trucking business. I would like to know what it cost him down there to run those trucks over those roads. I have heen talkin~ to people from the Maritimes, who said if they could 11:et the roads paved 5125

May Zf, 1970 TIJpe 01004 Page 8 right through down to the area throuRh St. Barbe South and St. Barbe North and into White Bay North, they woul"d carry thousands and thousands of tons of fish directly out of that place to their own Nainland. And then that is absolutely perfect ~lr. Speaker. That is .absoluteh• ~or~e.t. I remember the first trip I drove across country with my brother- in-law, the late Bob Squires, son of a former Premier, Sir Richard Squires. I think it took us three weeks to make Corner Brook, I think it took us three weeks.

There was not any road available really and we ran out a set of tires, but those two han. gentlemen Mr. Speaker, from Humher East and St. Barbe South, they think nothing, they think no more of driving in now from Corner Brook to St. John's on a paved road, than I thought fifteen tQ twenty years _ago, of driving from St •. John's to Harbour Grace. Now they come up with this idea of a park. They do not want us to do any trading on it. They want this little tfny place put away there. They forget the fishermen in the northern part of Newfoundland, forget the fishermen in the southern part of Newfoundland.

Forget the trans- portation by aircraft from the Island· to Labrador. Forget all that, give us our park. Employ fifty people. And ~r. Speaker, I am willing to bet right here now, that if a moratorium was taken down there, that course, Woody Point, Curzon village - a referendum rather - possibly Norris Point, but I say you may get a terrific majority there. But as you go towards Cow Head, I would say it would slacken off eighty to ninety percent. It is not propaganda. It is fact. I feel sorry for my hon. frienrl because he knows exactly what I am saying is the truth. He knows that it is the absolute truth.

He said it to me himself. He h~ought something up Mr. Speaker, that my friend, the hon. Minister of Health and I said; which we did and I do hope it is going to be there. I hope the Federal Government will pay for it. I have heard the hon. gentleman sav myself, 5126

"my God, t cannot keep trucks on the road." I have beard a man by the name of Clyde Hoddinott, I think he is in here representing my district for the P.C. 's. a very nice ~entleman. We all have our faults of course, but we cannot ~elp that. MR. MURPHY: He has to be a gentleman. MR. CHALKER: That is right yes. He has to be a gentleman to be a friend of mine too. Anyway as I say, we all have our.faU.lts, including that little infliction, however we get over that once in awhile. But he is running those trucks Hr. Spe.aker, and I say it must be costing him a fortune. I was talking to h:is br1)ther 5127

MR. CHALKER: His brother there yesterday who has a garage and a parts place there in some point. I asked him, I said, " what do you want, the . park?" He said, " we are not interested in the park as such, we want paved roads." ~- m'RDEN: That is 150 miles north. MR. CHALKER: Sure it is 150 miles north, but, what happened when we were building that road down there, did not those people in the northern

section wait for five, six, seven years? We did not start in places _ here and there, we started from St. Anthony one way ~nd we came up from Rocky Harbour the other way and we met·down near Reefs Harbour. Now they are still willing to waitSir, but I do not see why they have to wait so long when this is as sure as I am standing here at this de~k today. I know it is sure, a paved road, sure. The Premier said that arid I will back what the Premier said. MR. WELLS: Paved roads in MR. }NRDEN: Oh come off it MR. CHALKER: Oh well now, I would say to pave that place down there Mr.

Premier would take at the minimum five ye~rs, because, the road from Plum Point to St. Anthony will all have to be re-engineered and rebuilt and probably in many cases relocated. If this thing goes through Sir, we are bringing prosperity to the northwest part of Newfoundland that no one could ever dream of twenty years, or even five years a~o.

We have ample fish supplies down there, we have a great variety of fish down there, and when they get over this foolishness of killing those little seals which we have been doing here for a couple of hundred or three hundred years, and a great personal friend of mine who I think is the only one with guts enough left now to put money in it,_ Percy Crosbie, he sends out the C.A.Crosbie and he probably lost his shirt on her this year. It was only the other day that I was talking to him about it. He thinks the thing is ridiculous and our little people down there have to suffer the same as Mr.

Crsobie who is a very- · 51~8

ftay ~,, 1~1u, 1ape 1Uv~, rage~-- ap~ MR. MURPHY: Did the hon. Minister say when they get over the foolishness of killing little seals? Does he not mean when they get over banning the killing of little seals? MR.. CHALKER: Well that is the same, if you cannot kill theb you ban them so what is the difference. MR. MURPHY: I just wanted to correct the statement, because it will come out that you are MR . CHALKER: No, no, I think the seal in my district Sir, there are crews down there who make as high as $5,000. and $6,000. a year on seals.

I would say that they made it this year but there was no outcry last year when the seals were brought forward. I saw them myself, with their flippers stuck to their side like this with oil. Was there any crying then about inhumanity to seals? Not a vord. I saw the people and ~ bon. friend probably saw them too, I saw the women down there trying with some sort of detergent to was the oil off the seal pelts so that they could sell them. That is a fact and there was not a word said about it. AN HON. MEMBER: What is the Government doing about it?

MR. ·cHALKER: I do not know what; the Government can do about it, it is not in our area. I would like for this Government to have them there, I will tell you "Hr. Premier that if I was Premier of Newfoundland and had the rights which the Premier has l)ot, I would have a warship down in the Straits of Belle Isle. I would not have her cruising down off .Burmuda, I would have her down there watching those poor little folks thirty-eight - fifty feet longliners who fish out fo~ty, fifty, sixty fathoms of water and in the night,and I saw it myself Mr.

Speaker, I have seen it just like a city off Forteau Point, as many as fifteen and twenty draggers and Canadian draggers who have no mere right there than the foreign Qraggers, coming in and practically sweeping the rocks. I have seen that Mr. Speaker, they went, a Spanish one, I believe it was Spanish, I should not say the nationality because I am not sure, but a foreign dragger went ashore on an island in Green Island, just off Green 51~9

May 27, 1970, Tape 1005, Pa~e 3 -- apb Island Cove, and another ship came in and towed her off. My friend here can substantiate all that, he has seen it as well as I have seen it. Down there today I read in the papers that they are takin~ up their nets, dragging those nets. There is one fellow there in Port au Choix, not Port au Choi~, in Barton!s Harbour Sir, he lost twenty six nets in one drag last year. He had to go on welfare.

I saw something else downthere Sir, where they have taken up the nets on their drag and just cut the heads off the fish and left them in the net and threw what was left of the net over board. They kept the body of the fish. I saw that. MR. COLLINS: This has been going on in the Straits of Belle Isle for years and the nonsense with this Mr. Davis in New Brunswick, and trying to ban the ~eal fishery has been going on for years, and there has not been a single solitary beep from this Provincial Government in the defence _of the fisher- men and the sealers. What has been done about it? MR. MURPHY: Hear, hear.

The Hon. ~anister of Fisheries was asked ten days in a row what we were going to do about it, and not a word he surrendered. Only for Jack Marshall no one would know about the northwest coast either. MR. CHALKER: It is Jack Marshalls . job Mr. Speaker, and I say- MR. MURPHY: I kno~ it is his job, and he is doin~ his j9b~on behalf of MR. CHALKER: I never said he was not doing his job, but unless the Government of Canada, it happened in Deifenbaker's time and it is going to happen again, but unless they can cut off, and I say Mr.

Speaker, I know I am a bit away from the subject, 'but I think those people will bear with me. If they cut off the Straits of Belle Isle from Belle Isle down to -.say Point . Riche. Forbid any kind of draggers in there, any kind whatsoever, just allow inshore fishermen and long lin~rs and hook and liners to work that area. Mr. Speaker, you can see, you have been down there Mr. Speaker, you can see across that place. You can see the cars down there on the other side and those big draggers coming in, of all nationalities, and just dragg~ng the thing clean.

May 27, 1970, Tape 1005, Page 4 -- apb I cannot speak for the Premier, but I feel sure that he would agree with me that we should have a good warship stationed down there. One that does not hav£ to come in port every night, and I hope that ~..r. Jack Harshall hears that because, he is the man up there at: t:be tilDe and if pe wants something done in welfare I can help him down here. Now, I want him to help and I am not saying that he has not helped, I like Mr. Marshall. Again we have our faults MR. MURPHY: The voice crying in the wilderness MR. MYRDEN: Can we get back to the park? MR..

CHALKER: We are back to the park, those seals ~re going south and they will be down in the park in about three or four days time Mr. Speaker. We 'l'ffi. MURPHY~ We are going to have a slipway in the park for the seals to go ~hrough. MR. CHALKER: A slipway in the park. But Sir, those are the things that are contentious in that area. I know it has nothing to do with this, but as it is brought up, I was asked a question, I think I can answer it. I do not know what this Government can do about it. I phoned Mr. Bradley, a very nice gentleman, and he says· tha·t sometimes it is overrated. I saw the boats myself.

I has my own boat down there one year and as I came out of the fog I came upon this one not three hundred yards from land and she scooted. She was faster than· my boat. When I reported it they asked if I got the name. I was not interested in the name, I was interested in where I was at the time becuase, I thought at that time that I vas lost. However,· I got out of it. Mr. Speaker, this is a thing, they say " look, for get this blaming of Governments. It is so silly and foolish." They blame Hr.

Marshall for no post offices, they b_lame me for something else, or they blame. my hon. friend from Gander with something eles. There is nothin~ better that any.politician on both sides of this House would like to do but to help the people. As I said with the park, we would love to help the 51::; people with the park, we are going to help the people with the park, but

May 27, 1970, Tape 1005, Page 5 -- apb Sir, it is broader than the park. I have rambled a bit with the seal·fishery, with the cod fishery and everything else that is related to Newfoundland. It is one of our prime industries Sir, that will come back a~atn. Statements have been different · on it, but Sir, I can assure you that in my own district of St. Barbe North, that iftfs ever to come out of the difiiculties it is in now, its economic difficulties, it has to be by fish and by wood and roads and _ nothing ~lse. Because, that is as far as I can AN HON. ME"HBER: Tourists? MR.

CHALKER: Pardon? · AN HON. !-!EMBER: Tourists? MR. CHALKER: Oh, tourists Sir, I take that as just cream. Like the average Newfoundlander, I suppose my friends from Bonavista who are here will say that there is only one catch of fish and that is cod fish. All the rest is surplus. You know, you do not count that in your making out. But Sir, in conclusion, first of all I would like again to congratulate my hon. friend and my fellow colleagues and member on this side of the House in the support to this white paper.

It means Sir, a revolution, an economic revolution in three districts on the Great Northern Peninsula, St. Barbe South, St. Barbe North and White Bay. Thank you. BON. G.A,·FRECKER (Minister of PrQvincial Affai ·rs): Mr. Speaker, I am almost dtdabfounded because, I have been allowed to get ·the floor this afternoon. If you will recall Mr. Speaker, I made three attempts last Wednesday, but I was so submerged by a deluge of words all afternoon that I put down on take off. I would say I am going to take off and each time I was submerged again. MR. SMALLWOOD (J.R.): (inaudible) MR. MURPHY: days MR..

FRECKER: ,.- The bon. gentleman knows how I have been feeling the past three I never cease to be amazed truly Mr. Speaker, at the 51Z2

· May 27, 1970, Tape 1005, Page 6· -- apb eloqunce, verbosity &nd fluency of most members of this House. Personally I feel more at home with a pen in my hand trying to get my thoughts on paper than trying to express the~ viva voce as I am trying to do at the moment. I understand that Premier Smallwood thinks best on his feet and I think we have plenty of evidence of that, but I hardly realized that so many members of the House had the same gift in various degrees, but not quite to the same degree that the Premier has it.

For example, the bon. member for Burin, I have been amazed during this session of the House at his ability to give birth to a flow of words unending. As far as the hon. member for St. John's West is concerned, such a firebrand I never thought we would see in the House. He is a veritable man of fire these days. The member for Humber East, it is hard to describe him. I just cannot find words. Then we get down to coming back home over on this side, I am truly amazed that my colleague and the man who joined the forces the same time I did, namely the hon. member for Bonavista South, he is never short of words.

They just seem to come, they say that is the good methodist background in him. I have some of it, but I just lost that. I only have the feet that will not dance. I will be checked in a minute and told that I am not on the subject. Whilst the speakers ~ere giving vent to · their various motions pro and con, I looked through the pages of the white paper and I also looked through another document Mr. Speaker, which is the product of the thinking and wishes of an organization known as NARDA.

Development of the northern peninsula of Newfoundland, the committee which is dealing with this important subject. · You know Mr. Speaker, there is a remarkable resemblance between the two documents. The NARDA report on the development of the northern peninsula and the white paper on the develo~ment of Gros Morne national park. We have been fiven the impression here, at least I have, that this white paper is the product, well an almost illegitimate child sort of, that it was not born out . of the wishes of the people of the northern peninsula. 51~3

• 1"14Y L I, 1~ IU, ·~:ape llJU:>, !'age I, apb Yet, the similarity between the recommendations is so striking Mr. Speaker, that I would like to with your permission put them on record. l-'...ay I do that? Now in the northern development paper or report or brief, which was pr~sented in the House of Commons quite recently, and which comes after the white paper in time, has the following recommednations relating to Gros Morne national park and these are the recommendations. Recreation village Bonne Bay area. Winter sports range, Trout River area. Under- water park Rocky Harbour, Bonne Bay area.

Adult education and fine arts centre at Woody Point. Marine and small boat basin at Neddy's Harbour. Retention of Sally's Cove and Trout River as typical fishing villages within the.park area. Preservation of historic and colourful structures~ for example, light houses. ·Fishing and landing rights as. tourist attractions. Provisions of wharves and landing areas with marketing facilities, including, a special seafood restaurant. Wild animal zoo, with typical Newfoundland animals.

Procession of fish (I do not know whether that is a misspelling or not, I do not know if it is processing or procession, perhaps it is procession) of fish, salmon and trout hatchway for the peninsula. Promotion of three historic parks at Port au Choix an L'Anse au Meadows. Now let us loqk Mr.· Speaker, at the reco..endations in the white paper, bearing in mind that one was supposed to have come into existence without much consultation with the people of the area. I think the recommendations are on page" six. Sorry to keep you waiting Mr.

Speaker, yes, here we are, on page nine of the white paper, " therefore, the following are put forward as facilities necessary to ~quip fully the " Gros Horne national park in order to_ enable it to compete satisfactorily with other national parks in the Atlantic Provinces, and to realize its full potential in terms of its economic impact on the north west coast of the Province·and here are the recommendations, as contained in the white paper. Recreation village including golf, tennis, heated swimming pools, children's playgrounds •. probably in the Lomond .area •

May 27, 1970, Tape 1005, Page 8 -- apb Winter sports range to provide for the winter tourists demands for which there is now no satisfactory provision in the Atlantic Provinces. Lomond, Western Brook and South River are considered suitable areas. This would include skiing slopes and cross country, tobogganing and sno-mo~iling. Underwater park component probably north of Rocky Harbour to be the first in Canada and to capture the rapidly emerging underwater sports interests. Adult education and fin arts centre probably at Woody Point, recommended in the 1968 ARDA study for Bartlett's Harbour.

Marine and a small boat basin at Neddy's Harbour, with emphasis on the development of deep-sea tuna sports fishing. The retention of certain communities such as Sally's Cove and Trout River as typical fishing villages within the national park. Preservation of historic and/or colourful structures such as lighthouses etc. as tourist attractions. Continuation of fishing rights and landing rights along the coast within the national park as tourist attractions, and provision of wharves and landing and marketing facilities including a seafood restaurant or concession.

A wild animal zoo with typical animals found within the national park which might be viewed by visitors. The provision of a fish salmon and trout hatchery as planned in the new Kent County national park in New Brunswick. Now there is a.great · &irnilarity between these recommendations Mr. Speaker, and I am delighted that there should be because, it would be very, very disappointing indeed, if the good people of the northern peninsula and the people making"up the committees for northern development did not see the value of an integrated national park such as that recommended by the hon.

Minister of Mines, Agriculture and Resources. Personally I have been very _interested in the upper part of the because northern peninsula, particular~y 1 or the L'Anse au Meadows site there which as the bon. rnemb.er •••••••••••••••••••• 51~5

May 27th., 1970 Tape no 1006 Page 1 MR. FRECKER: as the hon. members of this House know, Mr. Speaker, is consider~d to be a genuine. authenticated site of the early Viking landings in the New ~rld, if not the first. Some people would go so far as to claim that it is the landing site of Le:if Ericson, but that is not authentic;:;.ted, Nevertheless, the period of the landing is authenticated by carbon test to be around 940 or around the year 1000 whicn is about the period of the Viking voyages in the Atlantic. Now, the hon Hinister of Health anJ I, two years ago, visited L'Anse au }leadows.

We did not go right out to the site together. He had other business to.do, but we were accompanied by the Assistant Director of Historic Sites from Ottawa, Mr. Peter Bennett and Peter and I went right out to the site,and I may say that you just get tne feeling, when you are there, Hr. Speaker, that it must be genuine. You almost can visualize the old Viking ships coming down the Straits of Belle Isle and making for the shores. At L'Anse au Meadows, some people ' claim that the name is a misnomer, although you do get the idea of meadows, because of the wide sweep of grassy beach that is there.

The real name, apparently, was Jelly Fish Hay, because Jelly Fish in French is "meduse" and "meduse" could be very easily corrupted to meadows. So it would ~e L'Anse au Meduse, which would be Jelly Fish Cove. ~~evertheless. the name L I Anse· au }leadows suits the locality every bit as much as the other name, which probably originated from the plentiful supply of jelly fish floating around in the waters there. Now at L'Anse au Meadows, we have a treasure, the value of which, in my opinion, would be difficult to exaggerate.

It would catch the imagination, not only of Canada and of the United States, but of Scandinavian countries and of Europe, and it has been the thought of this Government to interest the Federal Goverment. in making L'Anse au ~leadows a national park. We have, actually, entered into very promising-~d very serious n~gotiations with the Federal Government concerning L'Anse au Meadows and the possibility of having 5136 '•

May 27th., 1970 !ape no 1006 Page 2 it declared a national park. We have done some work with regard to its preservation, for instance, it is located near a brook which at flood time in the spring of the year carried can very easily do damage to the very delicate excavatiou .. 'Out by.:Dr.i Ingstad and his wife, particularly his wife who is the archaeologist of the team,and it has been cove~ed over by a series of wooden buildings and that in itself gives you a kind of - oh, I do not know.

It creates a feeling that you are with the past, when you go and se~ the dug-out parts of the foundations of these old Viking houses tilt were there in the old days. Now the Federal Government have intimated that it is very, very deeply interested and has caught the vision of this national treasure.

But, the negotiations at the present time have sort of veered a bit so as to attempt to dovetail the ultimate plan with the outline suggested in the White Paper, because, I be_lieve,for one 1 that the larger integrated complex now recommended would ensure the success of the L'Anse au Meadows development even more than just catching the imagination of the authorities in Ottawa with regard to the L'Anse au Meadows site per se - in itself. Now if we also get a paved highway, and I believe we will, eventually. \ve may take a few years. It will not be 3,000 people who will visit it -'over 3,000, I might say, Mr.

Speaker. visited L'Anse au ~~adows last summer. It will not be 3,000, it could easily be 300,000, a·seasen, if it ever gets developed and the way I visualized its possibilities 1 ~ if we get a paved highway up the ~;orthern Peninsula. I can remember back in the 40's, in Commission days, making my first visit to Norris Point and Rocky Harbour. We had to go from Deer Lake by car to Lomond over very twisty,beautiful road, but kind of fatiguing to travel over.

Ihen we took a boat and went across beautiful Bonne Bay to Norris Point, I think it was - Norris Point, yes( The . acenery across Bonne Bay was just out of this world. Now that was my first contact with getting near the base of 51~7 •

May 27th •• 1970 Tape no 1006 Page 3 the Northern Peninsula. Well quite a few years later, as a matter of fact just last year, I had occasion to go down to Port au Choix. We went by air from Corner Brook. T'ne purpose of our visit, Mr.

Speaker, was to see, at first hand, the work going on} the arc~aeological work go_ing on, the burial sites at Port au Choix where Professfor Tuck,the archaeologist at the University,had discovered some fifty skeletons buried near the seashore and again authenticated by carbon testing to go back a~out 4500 years. that is way before the advent of Christianity and which p~oves that Newfoundland is the site, the home, t11e habitat of primitive races that existed long before the Beothucks and long before the Dorset Eskimos =.:.!!:! 'l!he intriguing aspect of the archaeological. work that is going on in Newfoundland at the preset time spells again tremendous possibilities for the future potential,terrifically and scientifically, of our Province.

I understand that off the island of Maine - 1 mean not off the island of .l<Iaine, but off Main in Labrador there is an island which again contains burial sites of archaeological finds of primitive races that antedate, by very many years, the Beothucks and the present Eskimos in Labrador. The Port au Choix site gave forth to science the richest cache, so tar, ot artifacts belonging to this pre-- Maritime Archaic culture that they discovered there. lhe University here is working on these artifacts. But we did not want. Mr.

Speaker. to ignore the possibilities for the Northern Peninsula of having these historic archaeological finds·so we have set up a museum type of information centre at P?rt au Choix, which I have not had a chance to visit yet, but I saw the model of it, and when that is properly - it is built now and the exhibits are there and it is beautifully done by some of the people of the staff of the Depar~nt of Provincial Affairs. We have lost some of them now, Mr. Speaker and Mr. Premier. TI1ey h4ve been taken from us because of their good work and taken to New Brunswick.

When that site is properly - when that information centre is properly lanscaped and properly developed 51:;8

May 27th., 1970 Tape ~o 1006 Page 4 it will be a natural stopping-off place for people who are going to aake a beautiful voyage up the Northern Peninsula on thefr holidays and on their exploration tours in the years to come. The various aspects of this White Paper - I do not know why anybody on the Opposition side could find fault with the Government and with the hon. Minister of Mines, Agriculture and Resources for not being sufficiently alive to the needs for quick action. The definition 9 here ·given,will, I think, Mr.

Speaker, give q~ite clearly why we cannot rush into a matter of this kind- of such complexity . and of such great importance to the future of Newfoundland, the generationsyet unborn. On page six, you will find a definition, Mr. Speaker, which puts it in a nutshell why we cannot rush into this thing. Here again, I would like to make - put something on the record, Mr. Speaker; Two

definitions~ one given by the national authorities dealing with national parks and the other given by the Provincial Government. The national first: The philosophy underlining the national parks' concept in Canada is stated simply: It says; a 1965 policy statement of the Government of Canada declared: "the basic p~pose of the national parkSsystem is to preserve for all times areas~which contain significant, geographical, geological, biological or historic feature~ as a national heritage for the benefit of education and enjoyment of the people of Canada." Now that is a very good definition, Mr.

Speaker, but I think the Provincial one is even better and I would like to put this on the record: The philosophy of this Government, says the White Paper, as a Government,is also simply stated: '"It is that representative -areas of our Province and thus of the nation must be preserved for their esthetic, ecological and recreational value for present and future generations, but that an adequate balance must be struck between present and future life needs and the need for conservation for couservt~tion's sake and that wben conflicts arise, valued judgments must be made"- valued judgments, Mr.

Speaker, must be ~ade; regardless of the 51:;9

Ma~ ~7th., 1970 Mr. Frecker. Tape no 1006 Page 5 consequences in the light of what appears at any given mbment to be the entire pu~lic interest. Now when one has to take into account, not only the matter as of today. but for the future and take in the entire range of interests that must be looked after, I think, it would be stupid, and we would be guilty of serious neglect~f duty, did we rush into this and not try to get what the m1i t e Paper has so lucidly proposed.

I believe the concept to be sound, and I believe that future gen~rations looking back on hansard will oe scandalized to read the flood of anti-propaganda against the concept expounded in this White Paper. Mr. Speaker, I will oppose the motion and support very strongly the White Paper. MR BARBOUR: Mr. Speaker, the hon. member for St Barbe South is a man, in my opinion, as I study his profile concerning his motion on the Order Paper, is very concerned about perhaps . employment for the people.

I think, in the first place, he should have withdrawn his motion, Sir, because I am satisfied, after hearing what the hon. the Premier has said in this House, in talking on the motion, that Bonne Bay, the Great Northern Peninsula, will have their park. I understand it is six hundred square miles. Well, the park in my district, which is in my district and nobody else's, the Terra Nova National Park is 153 square miles. And in this park there is a lot of employment all through the year. In the park itself, for the tourists and the holiday seekers who go there, there are twenty-four units, 24 cabins.

There is also a restaurant and a grocery department and also a department of the Board of Liquor Control where one who is in residenc~ in the park can get his package of refreshments. I always refer to it as refreshments. I am a United Church man. I am an old Methodist. Mr. Speaker,

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May 27, 1970 Tape 1006, Page 6 hereby · dedicated to the people of Canada for their benefit, education and enjoyment." In the Terra Nova National Park we employ, during the summertime, seventy-four people. Thirty of the seventy-four are year-around employees, who are classified as such. Plus that, in the summert~me seasonal employment, this summer, thus far is forty-four - so that thirty and forty-four is a total staff of seventy-four working in the park. Now, Sir, · in the winter it is a little different. The staff consists of thirty-seven, seven seasonal- workers and thirty permanent workers.

And the pay, at the present time, the minimum rate is one dollar and ninety-three cents per hour for men working on hourly pay. I do not know what the yearly men get. I do not know but I do know this; in addition to that 1 Hr. Speaker, there is Por.t Blandforli, there is Charlottetown, practically in the park., where a number of men are employed in the two communities I just referred to because of the park. So I would say, all in all, there are somewhere from one hundred to one hundred and ten men who are getting a decent living because of the one hundred and fifty-three miles, square, Terra Nova National Park..

Now I am happy to say that I am getting my share. Very much so! Very much so! There may be the occasional man in Bunyan's Cove, there may be the occasional man in Canning's Cove or there may be the occasional man in Blook.field who may not be able to get a job when he wants one, but 1 can assure you Bonavista South is well taken care of. And if the bon. Leader of the Opposition has any doubt about that I would say to him; call the superintendant. It is a great industry. Sure!

People are getting a great living, and if we multiply that by eight, that is eight hundred souls who are malting a living or at laast getting something to eat. 51~1

nay ~ 11:n. .1:11V J.ape 1001 }ffi. BARBOUR: getting something to eat. ~ffi. MURPHY: Inaudible. }!R. BARBOUR: I bep: your pardon. }ffi. MYRDEN: Three thousand square miles. l'K - 1 MR. BARBOUR: I am talking about square miles, 153 square miles. The park itself from Port Blanford to the end of the boundary towards Gander is about twenty-seven miles of pavement, then there is a · turn off to Eastport. Uow I did not refer to Eastport, you see the park boucdary goes vithin two miles of Sandringham, which is in Bonavista North.

In order for me to get into my district, I must pass through the park boundary, I must pass through Sandringham, which is about three to four miles before I can get~into my own home town, so to speak, Eastport, Happy Adventure, Sandy Cove and Salvage. Now then let me say this, in Eastport many, many people find employment not only on the park, but because of the park, and people go there holidayin~, tourist they go to Eastport, they go to Salvage, they go to Happy Adventure, what · do they find? This is what they find, Mr. Speaker, this is what they find; In Salvage there is a museum.

That is a fact. yes, there is, there is. And the place where the museum is stored, _the house happens to belong to the bon. member for Tt'in.i:tJ .North, the hon. C. Hax Lane. It it this house that bas been taken over and turned into a museum, I would suggest to any boo. member, or anyone who visits Bonavista South, if they can find the time, to go down into the museum in Salvage, sign your.·.~ame and you can have a look around,and I am sure you will be surprised to see what is there. t:.; HmJ. !:E}'l!ER: Inaudible. }ffi. BARBOUR: You did not know this. AN HON. }ffitmER: Is there a sign up? . NR.

BAP.EOUR: Yes, there is a sign up. Sure there are signs all over Bonavista South, because we want to guide people.

..... . .. ~ ... HR. BARBOUR: Now, Mr. Speaker, there is Eastport Beach, where even my hon. friend from Gander, the Lion's Club goes and has outings and makes money for the Lion's Club to be spent in Gander. I know what I am talking about. Because I have made donations to the Lion's Club of Gander at Eastport. Then there is Happy Adventure, Happy Adventure we have there what is known as a lobster vat. In the old days, Hr. Speaker, I am sure the Premier will concur 'lolith me, we used to call it " Rams Horn", that is where we used to keep the rams horn· in the water and put the lobster into the rams horn.

Now we have a house converted into a lobster vat on the mainland, with running salt water, and I have seen as hi~h as 1200 to 1500 lob~ters, and I checked this today, and thus far while it is not the brisk season for the lobsters, yet there are quite a number and there is a ready market, and one or two people are employed there. Now what makes this? It is because there is a park. So when my hon. friend the member for St.

Barbe's is talking about employment, and he is afraid there is not going to be many people, if the park is ·going to be two or three times larger than the Terra Nova Park, it should employ many, many, more people. right? So I l\FOuld not worry, I would not worcy about having a tennis court, I would not worry about having a golf course, I would not worry about havinr. a swimmdng pool, I would no~ ~orry about that. That is all rirht, we should have that, it is recreatiop, i woUld not worry about recreation for the children, playgrounds, there is nothing wrong with that.

I wish I had it in the Terra Nova Park, we have not got any of that because if you want to swim. I love to say this, if you want to swim, go up to the Barbour's swimming pool in Te~ra Nova. And speaking of the Barbour's ~ing pool in Terra Nova, that is very well taken care of by the Community Council of Terra Nova. MR. MYRDEN: Has the bon. gentleman walked on that water yet? ~m. BARBOUR: No, but I have faith enou~h to walk on it, because all 51•!3

•""1 -. ~.... .&.J '" ... c:r.t'..,;. .l\JVI ~ffi. BARBOUR: Libe~als have faith in their country, in their fellowman, we have faith in helping those who need help, and that is exactly what I am trying to do. 1-tr. Speaker, what I was going to say is this the parlt has aeaot a lot to the people of Bonavista Bay. My bon. friend the member for Bonavista North noticed it as · well as I did, because he too knows there are a number of his constituents working in the Terra Nova Park. Now, then I say because this park is there, it has brought employment and it is bringing pleasure to people who visit the park.

In the early morning or at dusk in the evening you can go up to the pit and you can see some three to five bears, the mother bear, the mammy bear and the baby bear. And as you enter this pit, the bears must be Liberals, because everytime I go up there, they stand on their bi legs as fast as they can, and they almost make me believe they are smiling. I am getting so bold now, ~!r. Speaker, that I can almost shake hands with them. Then there is not only that, there is caribou, I think it is, and the moose. I am not much of a hunter, so I do not know one from the other, but . ! do see animals with four legs.

There is only one problem in the Terra Nova National Park, and that is the horse. There are so many horses when you go through that park in the night, it makes you shudder, you almost got to get out and pull the car, instead of driving it. MR. MYRDEN: You should have horse back riding too. MR. BARBOUR: Well we can horse back too. Hr. Speaker, as far as the park itsel -f is concerned, it is I w~uld say, a great thing to the people of Newfoundland. And I remember the hon.

Jack Pickersgill flying over this area in an helicopter, I remember this, I remember this, and I also remember something else, when this park was opened by Mr. Dinsdale I~think it was, the minister that time of the Tory Government, to our sorrow, I happened to be invited and the Premier was one of the main speakers. But I remember him saying as he stood upon the platform, these were his exact words, ,. I am 51 t1 Ll

-· ~ MR. BARBOUR: flaber~asted because Jack Pickersgill was ignored, because he was not invited on the platform to speak", So were all of the people of Bonavista Bay, so were all of the people who came to that park, because Jack Pickersgill will live forever in the lives and in the memories of the people of Bonavista/Twillinrate. 'HR. COLLINS: That is why they all voted Liberal in the last Federal Election. ~m. BARBOUR: That is why they did what? MR. COLLINS: That ifi the reason th~y all voted Liberal in the last Federal Election. !ffi.

BARBOUR: Do not rub it in, I know what you mean, but I will tell you this ~uch! they did not vote Tory for me in 1966, they did not vote Torr for me in 1962, they did not vote Tory; for .in 1959 I c~ back ~ith some of the biggest majorities that has ever came into this . House. And when I go back there again, whether it be Bonavista North, I have a liking also for Trinity North, because I am doing some work for the people of Trinity North. AN HON. ~!E~!BER: Inaudible, HR. BARBOUR: t-lell the late bon.

Minister of Higitw~'s father, Roland Starkes whom~I·knew very, very well 7 once said to me; because he was so strong in Green Bay, he believed it w~ permissible to run in two district and for a while he was very, very ~ertous about doing that. ~m. SMALLWOOD: It is quite lawful. lffi . BARBOUR: It is quite lawful. ~ •. · ~LWOOD: Anybody could do it, yes. ?-IR. BARBOUR: Hell I can take ·on the three, Bonavista North, Trinity North and Bonavista South. ~m. SMALLWOOD: He can only represent one, he can run in as many as he likes, ·. but if he ·is elected in all of them, he can come only represent one. 5145

··--..~ -4 .... .. .. . - - . .... 1'1'>. - J MR. CROSBIE:. Only one, which one would the membet choose? .. . HR. BARBOUR: Well according to the Evening Telegram yeste .rday afternoon, there was a gentleman who wrote a letter and he said, "even Ross Barbour could beat Frank Moores", but that man signed his name as a Reform Liueral, and I·know who he is, and the bon. member for St. John's West knows who he is. There is only one Reform Liberal in BonaYista, there is only one. Mr. Speaker getting back to the Terra Nova National Park in 19- l-!R. HYFJJEH: We are talking about the Bonne Bay Park now. }~.

BARBOUR: I am talking about Terra Nova National Park to link it up with the Bonne Bay Park. In 1967 in the summer we had thirty-eight people working in the park, casual or seasoaal and pe~ent. In 1968 in the summer we' had twenty-six, but in the winter, you see it all depends how much money the Federal Government graqts to the park, so· in 1968 we had eighty people, believe it or not, in the winter working in 'the park. Now what do they do? AN HON. HElffiER: Shove.! snow. }lR. BARBOUR: Not only do they shovel snow. but they also do some repair work other ways.

This may be something else that may be interesting, up until last year fishermen, you may not know this, fishermen were permitted providing they had·a permit to cut logs or timber by the water side to build or to repair their boats. But because this was becoming a regular habit the Park Management had to curtail this, and they had to cancel all permits.

And I took it upon myself to investigate the reason why and when I talked to some of the fishermen they agreed that they thought it was time to stop it too, because there was always litter left behind, you know what I mean, and it was not very tidy, it could even bring pollution. t-lr. Speaker, there is untold·work to be done in the park, the paving of the detour roads, the side roads, the cutting of trees, there is so much to be done, I ~bst cannot go into it, I can imagine, ~lr. Speaker, I can imagine

~tny 27th. 1970 Tar (' 1007 I'K - (, ~!R. I\t\RBOl!R: Honne 1\ny Pnrk, 1 can imar.ine it, I can imar;inc f0r in5tancc this road from Deer Lake to St. Anthony some,,.rhcre around 2 7'2 r1ilcs or somc"·here around 273 miles. \·!hat work that is p.oinr.; to ~i\·e tc t"'.e ?22-;-:e a hundred million, a hundred million, a hundred nillion, a hundred million. All ri~ht, then I can imar.ine going across the Straits of Belle AN. !JON. ~lE!ffiEP. : Inaudible. MR. HARCOUR: $100 million. ~IR. \{ELLS: Well in excess of that . HR. BARBnPR: l~ell in excess. !-.'ell f.1.ore than that.

Somebody said to start with it, it would be $33 millions, just to up~rade it. ~·R. SHALUIOOD: The upr,radinr,, the pavement 'vould be $60 mitlion. NR. BARBOUR: Hell it is only short $40 million• !:R. SHALU.;QOD: You are only talkine now ·of the road. NR. BARBOUR: I am talking only of the road now. I am only as far as St. Anthony yet, I have not crossed the Straits yet. Now I have been across the Straits. Hr. Speaker, I wonder how many hon. members in this House savJ the warship, H.}!.S. Raliegh go ashore in the Straits? Supposing I told you, Mr.

Speaker, that in my late mother's home, 17 Blatch Avenue, we have the bathtub that my late father brought from that ship. He have it, and it is just as good today as it was then. Now I was just a mere boy, of course I am only a teenager yet, but I was just a mere boy then, and I can remember.

Now I can remember something else~ I can remember crossing the Straits ·of Bell and I can remember going into Red Bay, that is on the Labrador side, Red Bay, and I am not talkinJ!; about Angel Point, I am not talkinf', about Blue Cove, that is on this side, I am. talking about the Labrador side, and '"e used to take our guns in the evening, just before dark and we would p,o up into the bot tom of Red Bay and we could shoot o~r wild game, such as geese, and '"e could shoot our rabbits, we could shoot our pattridge, and we lived the Life of Rielly because the wild life Has so plentiful, therefore. to me this park \·Jill be a 51 1~'7

.n-. - I HR. BARBOUR: Godsent, because I understand it will be crossinp; the Straits of Belle, I mean - ~tR. S}!ALLPOOD: The plan, the plan. ~IR .I~AR.ROUR: lne plan will be ~oing across the Straits pf ~elle Isle. There is one thing that kinds of burn t'le up, lvhen I hear somebody saying that the first Europeans ever to visit the New World landed in L'anse aux Headows, I cannot take that dolvn. I cannot take that down. We are going to say as far as the people from Bonavista are concerned, the first White European landed at Cape Bonavista, and there is nothing going to chance us, we do not give a dall'n for that.

He do not care. They can all land down there, Erikson~ s son, we do not care who it is, but as far as we are concerned Cabot landed first. And I hope, that when the statue of Cabot, practically as tall as I aM eight feet, when this statue is finished it will go to Bonavista and be erected by the Li~hthouse, so that the people will be able to see it. The hon. the Y.!inister of Provincial Affairs spoke about, I think he said 3000 people visited L'anse aux Meadows. Mr. Speaker, even though the Lighthouse last summer was closed in Bonavista for awhile, 10,000 people visited that Lip,hthouse and the hon.

Y.tlnister of Social Services and Rehabilitation, who I accompani~d to Bonavista, I took time out, I took him to the Lighthouse, but when we r,ot there we were barred by the : Lighthouse keeper. &~ RON. l~MBER: Who complained? MR. NEARY: \ole ~dll see the next time we go. MR. BARBOUR: You are not referring to me, you are referring to him. But would the rest of the Hinisters of the '1-Ielfare Department in the past, would do such a job as he is doing! I will tell you one thing he does - ~'R. ~ IURPHY: Did he take you over to Bell Island? !·!R.

BARBOt.:R: Yes, I have been on Bell Island, and I made a speech, remember when I was running for the Leadership, and I got more applause than anybody else got there. The hon. Premier was there.

May l/tl1. 1970 Tllp(' 1007 PI' - H Who else '-'D.S there? MR. BARBOUR: My hon. friend was there too, and· I think the hon. the Ninister of [ducation was there. MR. CR05~IE: rerhaps you were tryin~ to ~et it. HR. HURPEY: That is probably the reason why the hon. tlel'lber retired, because he '~as heinp. chased over there. ~!R. BAP.!lOUR: l\ell I saw one col!ling after me, whose shoelaces I am not worthy to unlace. :ir. Speaker, why I retired from the Leadership Race, I knet.r that I did not have much of a chance, nor ·nobody else, when the Skipper, ((he Pre~ier) we call him the Skipper sometimes, decided to run.

So I decided that I would back him, and he knm-rs how loyal I was to him. He knows what we did in Bonavista South. HR. CROSBIE: The hon. gentleman should be in the Cabinet. HR. HURJ' liY: Yes, Sir. The Premier would not let you down. :rR. BARBOUR: Well, perhaps some day my turn will come, how do I know? That is the Premier's prerogative to invite members o{ the House of Assembly or outside the House to join his Cabinet. I see the hon. member for Bonavista North is ~rinning too. \\ell, you ·know perhaps 1 couid make a half decent Cabinet '1-!inister, as well as some of the ones that have been there.

And they are no longer there, and they are no longer there. UR. SNALL\-'OOD: At least there would be loyality. Y.R. BARP.OllR: At least there would be loyalty. I would be true blue. What burns me up is this; when some hon. members say: "In ~rder to get people to become members of this House we have to pay them big money because we want good men.'' Hr. Speaker, I am afraid I have to have a slap at some people, particula~ly lawyers, who have so much work to do they cannot afford to attend the House very, very much. They are missing very often, I notice.

But if you had a regular man in the House of Assembly, who knows the people, who knows their wants, an ordinary person like themselves, he can do just as ~ood a job as any lawyer ever did foT the people of his district. I have proven it. 51:19

Nuy 27 , 1970 Tape 1007 PK-9 ~IR CROSBlf.: t.Je are all behind the hon. gen tle man. We are rig h t behind him. NR S~!ALL\.!000: Hatch himself. t..'atch himself , if you are behir:d hir: . ·..:atch the knife . Watch for the knife. NR BARBOUR: Hr. Speaker , I just want to say, before I take my seat, that I agree with the White Paper, very much so. 1 agree with it. I think the hon. Minister of Nines, Agriculture and Reso urces has done a good job, perhaps assisted by some officials, I do not know. But there is one thing I do 51~ 0

Hay 26, 1970 Tape #1008 Pa~e 1 one thing I want to say is this. I have no douht but when the time is ripe, the Park, the Ronne Ray Park will become a reality, and have no fear my hon. friend from St. Barbe South a~out e1nployment. That will he created too. Then we will h:.1ve O'J!" recreation, our sports, our enjoyment, our roads, paverl roads. And so"~thing else, I do not think for one moment that the Federal Government will purchas~ the land from the peoole without paying for it. I think accordinl'!; to the hon. minister's motion, S3 million.

I do not think thjs C.overnment will have to pay very very much for somethinp, that they are ~oing to be responsible for. I do not think it. I do not think it. AnY'~ay before I take my seat, I .1ust want to say this, that I have enjoyed speaking on the !-fotion. There is no malice ar,ainst my hon. friend. I am just trying to give you some facts concerninl!; the Terra Nova National Park, and I can assure you as far as I am concerned, and I say this t~o, without prejudice, I will vote aF:ainst the Hotion. 'MR. NEARY: Mr.

Speaker, I rise to participate in this debate for a variety of reasons, but I think my chief r~ason for wanting to say a few words on this ~~ite Paper, is to point out to hon. members of the House, that much of the criticism that has been levelled at this administration by our late departed colleague, is lack of olanning. And a question of priorities ~lr. Speaker. Now I do not think that in my short history as a member of this House, that I have seen a better example of planning. And yet ~· 1 r. Speaker, the hon. member for St.

John's 1\lest, who has continuously l:ept harping, criticizinF: administration for lack of planning, was one of the first to stand in his place in this Fouse and criticize this lfuite Paper. ~lr. Speaker, I t!link that this is a master plan of development of the great Northern peninsula for the future. And our colleague, the hon. Minister of ~lines, AIO!;riculture and Resources, is to he commended for his initiative, his imagination, and his creativeness in tahling 51~1

May 26, 1970 Tape 1/lnOB Pa~e 2 this White Paper in this hon. House. Mr. Speaker, in talkin~ about the lfuite Paper, I think reallv we are talkinr. about two separate things. We are talking about the National Park on one hand, and we are talking about T'lt"C\tecti~~ am· natural resources, any national rights that the oeoole may have in that area. We are talking about a continuation, or if we follow the recommendations of the hon. member for St. Barbe South, cutting off the rights of people to earn a living, because this is what would happen, if the plan that he proposed Mr.

Speaker, were accepted by the Government of Canada. Then a large number of people in his district would be deprived of the opportunity for makin~ a living. Because anybodv who has visited the Bonne Bay area ~lr. Speaker, or travelled down the St. Barbe coast would realize that a lot of people earn a living by moving in to summer fishing houses, that are scattered all along the beaches. They engage in the lobster fishery and the salmon fishery and the cod fishery. And my understanding of the origina~~roposal is, that all these little shanties and houses scattered along that coast would have to go.

Not only that Hr. Speaker. We were also told that if the original proposal was proceeded with, that several communities would be trans- planted. lole are told Hr. Speaker, that Sally's Cove, there would have to be a complete transplant at Sally's Cove and Trout River. Although the hon. member for St. Barbe South is not in his seat Hr. Speaker, I think that he will concede that that was what was proposed in the original proposition that was made by Ottawa. Even if it was only six months a~o llr.

Speaker, I think he will agree with me that it was intended to have ·a complete transplant of Trout River and Sally's Cove. Is this not correct? And I understand from my colleilgue the Ninister of :rines, Agriculture and Resources that this was the intention up to twelve months ago. Now Hr. Speaker, in my opinion, this -would 51 ~:'> tif.oJ

Hay 26, 1970 Tape ~1008 Page 3 be a great shame. Because I do not think that in all my travels and I have done a fair amount of travelling, I have not travelled probably as much as the hon. Premier, . or the hon. member for St. John's \\est, or some other hon. memhers of this l1ouse, hut I have done a fair amount of travelling in this man's world. I probably travelled about half way around the world Sir. And I do not think that I was ever as moved by a conmunity as I was in Trout P-iver. And I think it would be a crime Mr. Speaker.

It would be scandalous for any Government, I do not care if it is a Tory Government or an N.D.P. Govern~ent, or a Liberal Government. But I think it would be one of the greatest scandals that would be ever perpetrated against the people of ~ewfoundland to move the people out of Trout P.iver. Now Sally's Cove, there could be a comolete transolant, but I understand that the people do not want to leave Sally's Cove. They vTant to stay there, and I think it is only in the last twelve months Sir, that the Power Commission put electricity in Sally's Cove. The hon. member for St. Barbe South says, no, Hr. Speaker.

But I remember I took a trailer down to Hestern Brook about a year and a-half to two years ago, less than t~~o years ago, and I used to visit a house in Sally's Cove where I got fresh milk and fresh eggs, and they did not have electricity in Sally's Cove a little less than two years ago. And this was one of the big comnlaints that the people had in Sally's Cove at the time. And I assured the people because when they found out who I was, they wanted me to - because they had so seldom seen their otm member in St. Barbe South Mr.

Speaker, they asked me if I would oass along a message to their member, because the poles had been lying on the side of the road about a year and a-half or two years. If I would pass along a message to their member, and ask him to please p.et the electricity in Sally's Cove. And I do not know if I played any

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Nay 26, 1970 Tape /llOOR Page 4 their getting the eleeWJ.city 'lr. Speaker, but I certainly passed the message alonp; to the hon. member. HR. :WP.Df.N: ~lr. Speaker, I wonder if the hon. member pemit a cuestic:< For his information Sally's Cove was linked up with electricity in eit~er the summer of '68 or very close to the Fall. It was Septe mber. So probably the hon. member was right. He probably did get the eil:.~. ctricity. 'IR. :iCARY: l~ell ~tr. Speaker, if I played any

part in getting the electricity in Sally's Cove, I am very pleased about it . 'Ir. Speaker, I have visited the Bonne Bay area and have been up that great northern peninsula on several occasions. And I must say that I was rather impressed as all hon. members who spoke in this de bate were, with the beautiful scenery, especially in the Bonne Bav area. And :-ir; Speaker, I do not mind admitting to this !louse, that I have actually felt ashamed t<~hen I was in the Bonne Bay area, that I did not have the talent of an artist. I really felt ashamed. Sometimes I feel ashamed :-1r.

Speaker, that I cannot play the piano, because I just love ~iano music. But I do not have a musical note i:n my body. But when I go down to Bonne Bay, I actually feel ashamed that I do not have the talent of an artist, so I could paint and draw in Bonne Bay. I think it is one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen. I have been in Switzerland. I have travelled up the r~ine, as probably Your Honour has. I have gone on a boat from Geneva to Lucerne. I have gone on a boat }!eissen to Cohlenz to Dusseldorf . I have been in the hon . member's native land of Labrador West, both in the north and south of Ireland.

And I can understand Mr. Speaker, sometimes in this hon. House while he gets a little fired-up, as I think I can understand the psychology of the Irish people. Arid I have travelled throughout England, ' fexico and the Hest Indies. Eastern Europe and r.ennany, France, in Spain, Portugal, ~Iarocco, and all down around the ~:editerranean ::r. Sneaker. But I think I can say without fear of contradiction, th~t I have never 515 LJ

May 26, 1970 Tnpl' II Jnog :'IN'n Hcc·rwry aH lH•:nJtfful as 1t lH in Bonne !lay. And Home day, r!r. Speaker, if I ever h~ve the opportunity I would not mind retiring in Ronne '!lay. A~. 110~. ~-!P!P.F.R: It will not be long now. HR. :mAP..Y: :lr. Speaker, the hon·. gentlenen lil:e to uoke fun. The hon. }!inister of >lines, Ar,riculture and nesources, w:1o tabled this \-.'hite Paper in the House, has been referred to as the ''Rocky Harbour Rooster." lie has been referred to ~!r. Speaker, as ''Silica Callahan,·· by an amateur Halter IHnchel in Netvfoundland.

He hns been referred to as the "Rocky Farbour Rooster"bv the hon. member for St. John's • .. !est. Well ~!r. Spea!~er, I am sure that sticks and stones will never break the bones "f the hon. ~!inister. That would be a satirist uith the ''Evening Telegram." "'lr. Speaker, it is very sad, as the hon. the Premier ooints out. But they can poke all the fun thev like at the hon. minister, but thi~ in my opinion, is a very historic document. And the hon. member for St. John's l.J'est, Hr.

Speaker, has been referring to the hon. }linister of ~lines, Agriculture and Resources, as the ''Rockv P.arbour Rooster." Here is a little pamphlet he had out last :-Jovemher. It savs, 'Crosbie, Crosbie, a new generation of leadership." Mr. Speaker, I could substitute another t-rord for lea,dership·, but I am sure that Your Fonour 1-muld consider it very unparliamentary ~n this House. A new generation of leadership }!r. Speaker. I will tell you 1,..11at the new generation of leadership is in this House. The new generation of leadership I think that the hon. gentleman is talking about, ~-tr.

Speaker, is to tear down, is to try to obstruct and delay the olans of this administration, the master plans .that we have worked out over a period of ten years for the great northern peninsula. And then he sulks '!r. Speaker, and. as the !!on. '!inister of Social and Community nevelooment points out, he is like a "big sook, '' when he does not get his own way. 51;;5 I I' I

May 26, 1970 Taoe /llOOR On on•· hand h" crlllclz<~ll UH ndmlnlHlrll! Inn for not prod11clnP, R pl:m. HR. SPEAKEH: Order plense! l!R. NEARY: Hell any..;ray ~!r. Speaker, gettin~ back to the ', ~:.ite ?aoer. the Bonne Bay Park. I started to say that I have travelled the great northern peninsula several times as my hon. friend from St. Barbe South knows. As a matter of fact, I believe the first time I met the hon. r;entleman \vas at Norris Point, when he was sellinp, Securities, lonj;t before he ever dreamed of becomin~ a politician. But one thing that always struck me about that coast }!r.

Speaker, especially after the road was put through. And I believe the hon. member will agree with me on this. That after Newfoundland went into Confederation, and the people.became a little more affluent, but I think more especially after .the road was built down the great northern peninsula, then the outsiders came into Newfoundland, and they raped that coast of antiGues and any- thing historic that was on that coast. I think the hon. member will agree with me on this. HR. MYRDEN: They would take money's \vorth. MR. NEARY: These were outsiders Hr. Speaker.

I believe they were from the United States, but the point I am trying to make ~1r. Sneaker, is that our own ~eople did not realize the value of the items that they sold. And I have actually seen very valuable antioues Sir, thro~-m out in the back yard, thrmm out in the garage. I remember in Cow Head. For about five years now I have been trying to get a lady there to give, or sell me, or donate to the Museum, an old spinning wheel. I do not know whether hon. members are aware of it Mr. Speaker, but do~m that coast, there is still a little spinning going on. A~ HON. ME~!BF.R: Spooning too. · HR.

NEARY: And a little spooning, and I have done a little spooning do1.11. there myself: Rut this particular spinning 1.•heel is a homemade affair. I do not know if my hon. friend has ever seen it. Rut it reMllv, in Mv 51~()

Nay ~fi. 1970 opinion Sir, would be a very worthwhile. contribution to th~ ~ !ust>um. And that is why I wanted to try and P,et it·. But for so.ne reason or other, the lady is rather reluctant to give it up. And the last time I v2s there, it nearly broke my heart to see it . thrown dm.;rn under the house. So when I went and asked her about it aF,afn, she took me do~m and shm:ed ne the old spinning l.rheel, thrown in a pile underneath the house. And one of her friends had given her another homemade soinning wheel, which was a little more modern than the one that she had discarded.

But she still would not tzive it up Hr. Speaker. And I believe myself, that this is one thing that we should try to impress on the people down that coast, is to try to retain Hhat they have n01., because in this !{hite Paper, if it is accepted by the Government of Canada, and I have no doubt but it will be. Because after all, we have a Liberal Government in '<e,,•fpundl'lnd. and we have a Liberal Government in Canada. And I can think of no reason Hr.

Speaker, and this is liberal thinking, of why this very 1vorthHhile document would not be accepted by the Government of Canada. l!R. ~!YRDEN: You know if it is, somebody will die of heart failure. HR. ~EARY: !Ir. Sneaker, apart from not having a general strike in ~ewfoundland as a result of all MR. s~tAT.u,•oon: Hho would never have the face to drive over the naved road. ~!R.~EARY: ~!r. Speaker ,, I would like to be in this hon. House the day that this tihite Paper is accented by the Government of Canada.

And look at the expressions on the faces of the hon. gentlemen sitting on the opposite side from Labrador West to St. John's East Extern. I would especially like to see the look on the face of the hon. member for St. ~arbe South. As I have no doubt at all Sir. There is no doubt in mv mind. Because you have a Liberal C..overnment in Canada ~.;r ho are striving for the just society, and because you have a Liberal Government in 51~7

'lay 26, 1970 Tape f/11108 Page 8 Newfoundland Mr. Speaker, our hearts heat in unison. :lr. Sneaker, ~o.·e think a 1 i ko!, anc1 can Your Honour te l1 me if then• is anv reason whv the Govern ment of Canada would not accept this ~hit~ ~3~~r~ Nr. Speaker, I think some of the remarks made t-v the :1 c-n . renr ! <" ,-·.H'. on the opposite side of the House 1.•ere made with ''tongue in cheek. · ::ow }lr. Speaker, the lion. the ~inister of Provincial Affairs pointed out in his remarks that the Brief that W<IS presented by ~ ~ ARDA recentlv, that practically everything in that Brief coincides with that White Paoer.

And yet Your Honour, we heard hon. members on t h e opposite side of this House have the audicity and the gall to stand uo and accuse us here in the administration of not consulting ~ith t!1e peoole on the great northern peninsula. Hr. Speaker, this Government believes in two-way communications. This Government believes in feed-back from the peoole. And that is whv \1r. Speaker, that the hon. Hinister of 7-!ines, Agriculture and Resources. went down to Rocky Harbour and chaired a public meeting in that community. And that is why ~!r. Speaker !.fR.

CROSBIE: That was a complete fraud and the hon. gentleman know it too. 'fR. :JF.ARY: You know l!r. Speaker, you know what the hon. member for St. John's \~est reminds me of? He reminds me of an old farmer who was having trouble with a thief getting into his hen house and stealing his hens. This is the approach they use on the ooposite side of the House. They use the shot-gun approach, Hr. Speaker. He reminds me of this old farmer that was having trouble with a thief gettinr, into his hen house and stealing his hens. So one ni~ht he heard a noise. 'He iumped out of bed.

He grabbed his shot-gun and all he had on was his ni~ht- shirt. Anrl he went out ·and he aimed the shot-gun at the hen house, and he was telling his friend about this the next dav. And then the friend said, ··yes. ves, what happenecl?" "l,'ell, he said. I took aim at the hen house, and I \vas waiting for the thief to come out when the dog with a co-ld nose sm~aked uP behind me and a1-:ay goes the shnt1wn. an'l T have 51~8

• '"• ) - \. 1 f J.., I \ I been cleaninr, hPns ever since. ;.;ow "r. Speaker, this reminds nlE.' of the han. member for St. John's \.Jest. He is over there \~i th a shotgun . He does not usc the rifle approach. He uses a shotgun. A:: 1-JO'<. 'lEHRER: :rostly a nop-r,un. ~IR. ~!EARY : It is mostly a pop-!!un 'lr. Speal{er, but it is t h e s ~ otPuTl approach. \,'e can do nothing right. As I star ted to say l·(r. Sneal:er, I think the

WHEREAS in this ~lot ion. put by the han. member for St. Barbe South, the 1-'HERF.AS that says, ··it is desirable that members of this hon. House of Assembly and the public of Nevfoundlancl he fully informed of the position "V-'ith reference to the establishment of the Bonne Bay ::ational Park. " t "t-7ould nrohahly consider that as the most significant part of the P.esolution. But I agree with other hon. members that have spoken in this debate "r. Speaker, that once the 1.Jhite Paper was tabled, then I believe the hon. member for . St. Barbe South should have t~ithdra\m his Resolution.

But he necicled not to do this. I am sure that everv private members' daY since he put this Hotion on the Order ' Pape 'r Hr. Speaker, it has been most embarrassing for him. He seems to resent the fact that other members want to speak in this debate. We have heard complaints that it is a filibuster on this side Mr. Speaker. But I can assure the hon. P.entleman that it is not a filibuster as far as I am concerned, that I am gcnuinelv sincere in what I say about this White Paper. You know ~ ! r.

Speaker, one of the most valuable assets that we have in Newfoundland, and I do not want to go into competition with the hon. Premier when he talks about our natural resources, hut I think one of the most valuable assets that we have in this Province, is our pure, unpolluted mid-Atlantic 'fresh air. And !o!r. Speaker, where c:an vou get better pure unpolluted fresh air than down that great northern peninsula. Now :-tr.

Speaker, I was addressin~ a grouP of students in \.loverto~ ·rn last summer representing- They were a group of exchanve stucients. .\nd I remember at that time te.lling these students about the clear unno.lluted mid-Atlantic fresh air that ~.re have in Newfoundland. lind the y were rather impressed bv this. J\ncl I bought along a bottle "!r. Speal •er, 51~9

ttay .£0, J.-; /U Tape !r 11• ·~ Par.e 11 a bottle of frc!;h air. 1 bou?.ht alonA this hottle •:r. Speaker, and I presented a bott l e to each one of these students. It is i ust a bottle with a little drur,store label on it, and if~: non. :rien rl fro­ St. John's F.ast Ext e r n or St . John's \·:est , or whoever it ;.:as can give a pluA to I. A. C. I am sure I can Rive a pluF. to 1-'abana druRS. But it has the label on it Habana Drugs and typed on is cl ~ ar ''unpolluted mid­ Atlantic fresh air all the way from :~e~Tfoundland. '' Now Hr. Speaker, this bottle has heen on my clesk for some time.

And I can tell Your Honour, that I have had literally dozens and dozens of r equests for a bo t tle of clear unpolluted mid-Atlantic fresh air . I was going to SURJ!eSt to the hon . member for St . John's West that if he should become unemployed afte r the next election Hr . Speaker, this mi~ht be a good business for him to get into . 51 GO

HR. NEARY: Yes, Mr. Speaker, the agricultural people tell us that there is not enough manure in Newfoundland to grow mushrooms on Bell lsland but I am sure after this session of this hon. House, Mr. Speaker, that we know where we can get the supply of manure but in the meantime, Sir, I believe this is one o: the greatest assets that we have in this Province and I think it would be a shame to pollute the air in Newfoundland. I believe, Sir, that is another reason why we should proceed with the plans that are outlined here in this White Paper by the hon. Minister of Mines, Agriculture and Resourses.

I do not think, Sir, that you can just build a park in Bonne Bay and forget the rest of that Coast. I think his master plan links up the whole area beautifully. It provides for improved ferry service across the straits of Bell Island, Sir, 1 I might say that this was one of the items that was referred to in the Province's brief to the House of Commons Standing Committee on Transportation and Communications, when they visited Newfoundland last fall, that pending the ·construction of a tunnel across the Straits of Bell Isle , Mr. Speaker, to link the two land masses,that the ferry service be upgraded.

Maybe .I am naive and stupid, Mr. Speaker, but does it not make sense, does · it make sense to Your Honour that the island of Newfoundland and Labrador should be linked by a tunnel? Am I twenty-five years ahead of hon. members on the other side, Mr. Speaker, and is it not as plain as the nose on your face th'at the road up the great Northern Peninsula should be paved? Is it not as plain as the nose on your face, Mr. Speaker, that the Trans Canada Highway should be extended right from Eastern Labrador right across to Western Labrador so that you can get aboard of yvur car in St. John's and drive right from St.

John's down the Northern Peninsula under the water through the tunnel across the Trans Canada Highway into Labrador and into Montreal.or New York or San Francisco or Arizona or wherever Your Honour would want to go on a holiday or on business? Is that not as plain as the nose on your face, Sir? Well, why, Mr. Speaker, why would hon. members object to this~ What is the objection? Mr. Speaker, I know the hon. 111embers are embarrassed about all this. 51G1

AN liON. MDffiER: (Inaudible). MR. NEARY: Hr. Speaker, that is a horse of a different colour and the hon. member is not going to take me away from the subject of the ~fuite Paper and the Bonne Bay National Park. Stick to the subject, Mr. Speaker. So there~o=e , Mr. Speaker, I fail to understand members on the opposite side of the Hous~ in their thinking. It is negative thinking, Sir. When, Mr. Speaker, in this hon. House and it would do my heart good if it would only happen, I would like to see it happen tomorrow, I would like to see every hon. member on the opposite side of the House tomorrow, Mr.

Speaker, stand up in his place in this House and throw out a helpful suggestion o~ an idea to the Government instead of tearing down, Hr. Speaker, and obstructing and criticizing and trying to destroy Newfoundland in the process. Mr. Speaker, if I ever and God forbid this happening, if I ever found my- self in Opposition what I would do(and I am sure this would appeal more to the people of Newfoundland than the strategy that is being used now and the tactics that we have seen in this session of the House} I would take my place in this House, Mr.

Speaker, and I would come up with constructive ideas such as the ones that are in this White Paper on the development of the great Northern Peninsula. Mr. Speaker, I think I will say this thatif the hon. members ever want to get anywhere in politics in Newfoundland they are going to have to forget their negative attitude, they are going to have to provide positive ideas as the hon. Minister of Mines, Agriculture and Resources provided in this White Paper. AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible). MR. NEARY: Ah, Mr. Speaker, I am really getting through to the hon. gentlemen now.

Their blood pressure is going up now, Sir, and they are beginning to bitterly resent this. The truth hurts, Hr. Speaker. ~- CROSBIE: So does the Minister opening his door with his news and views. HR. NEARY: Mr. Speaker, if I were to give and I am sure that the hon. members on the opposite side of the House would not take my advice anyway, but if I were to give the hon. members a piece of friendly advice I would advise them to change their thinking, to try to come up with helpful ideas and suggestions and concrete proposals for the good of Newfoundland and forget this negative 51c~

MR. NEARY: attitude and the hon. Leader of the Opposition nods his approval of this bccau5 ~ I think, Mr. Speaker, he is in complete agreement with what I am saying. But, Mr. Speaker, in this session of the House the members of the Opposition have sort of been pushed in the background. They have been pushed in the ':la :~·.g:-8L::.:, Mr. Speaker, by the renegades who have crossed back and forth across the floor three or four times in the last couple of years. MR. SMALLlWOD: They wore out their feet and they had roller skates. MR.

NEARY: Well, I would not exactly say they have worn out their roller skates, Sir, but they probably need a little oil put on the wheels. Now, Mr. Speaker, if I were the hon. gentlemen, if I were sitting over there in their seats I think I would change my attitude. I think the people of Newfoundland wbuld probably be more willing to accept the hon. members if they were to develop positive thinking instead of taking the negative approach to everything. Now I can understand the hon. member for St. John's West and from Labrador West taking a negative approach to everything because I have visited Ireland and, Mr.

Speaker, the things that go on between the North and the South of Ireland, you know you talk about not being able to understand why hon. members will not agree with this White Paper well I tell you this that I am one who could not . understand the friction and the animosity and the difficulties and the problems and the trouble between the North and South of Irelanrl. Maybe my han. friend could explain it to me sometime. But, Mr. Speaker, the hon: member for Labrador West I think should get down on his knees and thank Almighty God that he can come into this hon.

House of Assembly in Newfoundland and Lab~ador and get up and make the speeches that h~ makes because he would not be able to make them in his own native country. He should get down on his knees, Mr. Speaker, and thank Almighty God that he became a citizen of Canada. MR. S~LWOOD: How did he become a citizen of Canada? MR. NEARY: He became a citizen of Canada because of this party and this administration. MR. SMALUlOOD: Well, let him get up and tell who did it. 51GJ

MR. NEARY: Let him get up and deny that, Mr. Speaker. ~ffi . SMALLWOOD: Let him get up and tell who got him his citizenship . MR. CROSTIIE: The official sponsor. MR. SMALLWOOD: Let him get up, I dare him to get up. ~ffi. SPEAKER: We have strayed a long way from the Bonne Bay Park . MR. NEARY: I understand, Mr. Speaker, but Your Honour will realize they have been embarrassed, Mr. Speaker, and they bitterly resent it. Their blood pressure is going up but the hon. member for Labrador West knows what I am talking about. He knows how he got his citizenship in Canada and I tell you this, Mr.

Speaker, there may not be many people in Northern Ireland like the hon. Minister who is on his feet right now because I doubt very much if I could get my citizenship in Northern Ireland the way that hon. memb