Second Session, 42nd Parliament

(2021) OFFICIAL REPORT

OF DEBATES

(HANSARD)

Thursday, November 25, 2021

Morning Sitting

Issue No. 139

ISSN 1499-2175

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CONTENTS

Routine Business

Introductions by Members

Tributes

Carmen Purdy

D. Clovechok

May Mah-Paulson

Hon. B. Ralston

Introductions by Members

Tributes

Corinne Swystun

Hon. M. Farnworth

M. de Jong

Hon. D. Eby

Introductions by Members

Tributes

Disaster relief by South Asian community in

B.C.

Hon. H. Bains

Introductions by Members

Tributes

Corinne Swystun

S. Furstenau

Kelly Dukeshire

S. Furstenau

Heidi Reid

Hon. J. Osborne

Susan Vasilev

B. D’Eith

Roseanne Moran

B. D’Eith

Introductions by Members

Tributes

Carmen Purdy

T. Shypitka

Introductions by Members

Tributes

Courtenay-Comox constituents

R. Leonard

Introductions by Members

Tributes

Shirley Bond

P. Milobar

Hon. M. Farnworth

S. Furstenau

Introductions by Members

Tributes

Greg Nelson

Statements (Standing Order 25B)

International Day For the Elimination of Violence

Against Women

S. Cadieux

Seva and contributions of Sikh

community

J. Sims

Hanukkah

S. Bond

Fraser Valley flooding and recovery

P. Alexis

Climate change and grief

S. Furstenau

2022 B.C. Winter Games in Vernon

H. Sandhu

Oral Questions

Forest policy changes and socioeconomic analysis of

impacts

J. Rustad

Hon. K. Conroy

M. de Jong

Affordable housing and government revenues from

housing sector

S. Furstenau

Hon. D. Eby

Government consultation on freedom-of-information

legislation

T. Stone

Hon. L. Beare

Child care plan

K. Kirkpatrick

Hon. M. Dean

Government response to severe weather events and call

for all-party committee

S. Bond

Hon. M. Farnworth

Collaborative action on issues in B.C.

S. Bond

Hon. M. Farnworth

Tabling Documents

Civil resolution tribunal, annual report, 2020-21

Petitions

J. Rustad

Tabling Documents

Parliamentary calendar, 2022

Orders of the Day

THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2021

The House met at 10:04 a.m.

[Mr. Speaker in the chair.]

Routine Business

Prayers and reflections: G. Kyllo.

[10:05 a.m.]

Introductions by Members

Hon. D. Eby: Joining us today in the gallery are Duncan Watts-Grant and Melodie Corbett,

two longtime volunteers in Vancouver–Point Grey. Duncan is the president of my

constituency association. I very much appreciate their work, and I’m glad to see

them visiting Victoria.

Will the House please join me in making them feel

welcome.

Tributes

CARMEN PURDY

D. Clovechok: I wish I could make an introduction today, but it’s my sad honour to

announce that a man from the Kootenays of great integrity, energy and honesty

passed away yesterday.

Carmen Purdy is a legend in our region. He was my friend, and he was my

mentor. He was, without question, a champion both in the Kootenay region and in

B.C. for wildlife. You name it: elk, deer, moose, Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep

and mountain goats. There was little Carmen did not know about the wildlife, by

nature. He was a fervent conservationist and a master hunter. Carmen loved them

all with a personal passion second to none and spent his whole life advocating

for wildlife.

He was a co-founder of Habitat Conservation Trust Fund, he was the

founding director of Nature Trust of B.C., and he created the Kootenay Wildlife

Heritage Fund.

Mr. Speaker, man, could that guy tell stories. Whether it was up in a

deer camp in the middle of nowhere, up in the bush or in Tim Hortons, his

stories were stark, they were vivid, and they mesmerized. It was a tribute to

what his life was and the adventures that he actually enjoyed throughout his

life.

We’ll have more to say about Carmen in the next session. For now, I’d

ask that this House simply pay tribute to this great British Columbian,

husband, father, grandfather and friend to so many.

Carmen, you were one of a kind. Heaven just became a more colourful

place.

MAY MAH-PAULSON

Hon. B. Ralston: I rise today to recognize the accomplishments of Assistant Deputy

Minister May Mah-Paulson in the Ministry of Energy, Mines and Low Carbon

Innovation during her 13 years of public service and to offer my sincere

congratulations on her upcoming retirement.

Since joining British Columbia’s public service, May has helped guide

our natural resource sector and has inspired many of our current and future

leaders. She held significant statutory decision–making authorities, including

as the province’s 21st chief gold commissioner, one of the province’s

oldest-standing offices that dates back over a century and a half.

Following some time as a chief negotiator in the Ministry of Indigenous

Relations and Reconciliation, we were fortunate to have May return to our

ministry. This is a challenging file. I think everyone recognizes that. But May

has always been able to find a balance that continues to this day.

In her current role, she was able to advance the Fuel Price Transparency

Act, launch a major program to support the restoration of dormant oil and gas

sites, initiate a review of our royalty system and successfully lead her

division through what has been one of the most challenging times of our

generation.

I wish May all the best for a wonderful retirement. We will all miss her

dearly.

I ask the House to join me in offering her those congratulations on her

years of public service.

Introductions by Members

T. Stone: It gives me a great deal of pleasure to welcome to the chamber here today a

couple of individuals who work with a company that does a lot of work with the

B.C. government. I’m pleased to welcome Taylor Davis, who is a lidar application

specialist, and David Mostyn, who is the manager of aerial operations.

Terra Remote is the company that they work for. It’s a B.C.-based company.

It’s located right here in Victoria. They specialize in lidar mapping. Terra

Remote has extensive experience in a wide range of other services.

I’m really, really pleased to welcome them here in the precincts today, and

I would ask everyone in the chamber to join me in doing so.

Tributes

CORINNE SWYSTUN

Hon. M. Farnworth: It’s a pleasure today, and a sadness, to rise to talk about a very

important individual in the life of this building and the work that we do,

because she is retiring after an incredible career.

[10:10 a.m.]

Legislation does not just happen. It has to be drafted; it has to be

checked; it has to be written. The person in charge of that is the chief

legislative counsel of the government of British Columbia.

Today is Corinne Swystun’s last day in that position. She’s retiring

after 26 years of service in the office of legislative counsel in the Ministry

of Attorney General. Cor­inne joined the office of legislative counsel in

September 1995 after clerking at the Supreme Court of British Columbia and

articling for the legal services and criminal justice branches of the Ministry

of Attorney General.

She spent time from 2005 to 2006 in Dublin as consultant Parliamentary

Counsel to the government of Ireland. Corinne was appointed chief legislative

counsel of the government of British Columbia in August 2011. In recognition of

her exceptionalism in the legal profession, Corinne was appointed Queen’s

Counsel in 2016.

In her years of public law service, Corinne has been active in the

professional development of public sector lawyers and senior government staff

in Canada and abroad, both as a member of a number of professional development

committees and a presenter and instructor of legal and legislative seminars,

workshops and training sessions. This speaks to how incredibly respected

Corinne is amongst her peers.

She has been instrumental in assisting a number of governments in

British Columbia fulfil their legislative agendas, providing guidance and

advice that has been most valued and appreciated. I know that the member from

Ab­botsford will have a few words to say as well, because that’s how

remarkable Corinne’s career has been. It has spanned governments since 1995.

Without her expertise and the work of the people behind her, we would not be

able to do our jobs.

I will wait for the member’s comments. Then I think we can give her the

respect and applause that she deserves for an incredible career and wish her

well in her retirement and the next

chapter of her life.

M. de Jong: Thanks to my friend, the Government House Leader.

We would all be hard-pressed to think of a task more challenging and

more important than the one performed over these many years by Corinne. The

present Attorney General will, I am sure, testify to that effect, and anyone

who has been involved in roles on legislative review councils for the present

government or governments of the past would be able to speak glowingly of the

professionalism and the incredible attention to detail.

I thought I would take a moment, in reflecting with all of us on her

remarkable career, to share a little bit about the person that I came to know —

the woman of strong prairie stock who maintained an affection for that area and

for her family, with whom she remained very close. It revealed itself in the

nature of her work. Anyone that attended, any minister who has tried to

shepherd through a piece of legislation, anyone that sat on a legislative

review committee that had to read through, line by line….

She performed the original 3P function, or at least it required that,

right? Precision in the language, because they are the laws. They are the laws

that we challenge citizens to live by. Persistence in saying to ministers in

governments: “I know you want to do it this way, but you can’t. It doesn’t

work. You’ll create a mess.” And the patience to wait out those ministers and

governments until her skill, her knowledge and her advice would

prevail.

[10:15 a.m.]

It has been a remarkable career. She has defined the standard by which

we measure public servants. The faithfulness of her service to governments,

irrespective of their political stripe. The best possible advice she and her

team could render, always delivered in a friendly, professional, sometimes

tight-lipped way but always worth listening to and listened to for good

reason.

She once sent me a note. I hope that she won’t be offended as she now

embarks upon this new

chapter in her life. It related to a sad time in her

life, both of her parents having passed away in recent years. She was

commenting on her father, and she said: “He gave me the mantra by which I

choose to live my life, which is: stay busy, stay challenged, and stay

joyful.”

She has done that for 27 years in the service of British Columbians. I

have no doubt that she will, in the years ahead, in whatever endeavour she

chooses to pursue, stay busy. She will stay challenged, and she will certainly

stay joyful.

Corinne, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [Applause.]

Hon. D. Eby: I beg forgiveness from the House and from Corinne for this, but as

minister responsible, I did want to be unnecessarily duplicative and run on

longer in a way that could have been more concise.

Working with Corinne and understanding her passion for the law and for

language…. I have a bit of a background in technical writing, which I

understand is a bit like saying to Elon Musk that you’re into model rockets. As

a new Attorney General, Corinne walked me through what her role is, what her

team’s role is and the preparatory work that goes into all of the legislative

packages. To see her enthusiasm for it….

I also had the opportunity to work with her in her advo­cacy for

the modernization of this office around bringing technology. We did some great

work together on that. I am so, so appreciative personally for her assistance

to me as Attorney General in this province.

I know the member for Abbotsford West…. It sounds like he had a similar

experience. The member from Prince George probably had a similar experience.

Anyone who served in this role. But I couldn’t let the moment go by without

just expressing my personal appreciation for her efforts to train me as an

Attorney General.

Thank you very much, Corinne.

Introductions by Members

J. Sims: It’s my pleasure today to welcome Cindy Dalglish. She’s a constituent from

Surrey-Panorama. I first met Cindy in 2017 during my first election campaign, and

she was a tireless volunteer during that time. Then she became my very first CA

and helped to set up the office and get it going before she moved on to more

adventuresome stuff. She is a passionate advocate for education, especially in her

fight for kids with diverse needs.

Please, help me welcome my friend Cindy

Dalglish to the House.

Tributes

DISASTER RELIEF BY

SOUTH ASIAN COMMUNITY IN

B.C.

Hon. H. Bains: I'd like to take this opportunity to talk about yet another example of

British Columbians’ generosity, how they come through and band together to help

those in need. In particular, I want to talk about the South Asian community as

part of British Columbia. Any time there is a natural disaster or humanity is

suffering anywhere in the world, they come through, right here in our home

country, in our home province in British Columbia.

I want to talk about last week. RedFM held a radiothon to help those who

are suffering as a result of the floods in the Fraser Valley and other places.

In one day, callers gave more than what their capacity is, in many instances.

At the end of the day, over $900,000 was collected and raised for the people,

to help those who are a victim of floods — $900,000.

[10:20 a.m.]

On top of that, the same radiothon raised over $200,000 to help Surrey

Memorial Hospital. So $1.1 million in one day.

This is in addition to all of the gurdwaras and individuals. They’re

hiring and renting helicopters. They’re willing to come and help the government

and work with the government to help those who are in need — in food

preparation and anything else that they could do.

I couldn’t be prouder to belong to that community. I couldn’t be prouder

to call myself a British Columbian, especially during these tough days and

difficult days that many of us are going through.

I just want to say that our hearts and sympathies are with those who are

suffering right now. I also want to send them a message.

British Columbians have your back. They are there for you. Yes, more

needs to be done.

Please join with me to thank RedFM and thank the community for coming

through yet again.

Our hands are up to you.

Introductions by Members

J. Tegart: It is a pleasure, I’m sure, for the whole House to see a former MLA here —

a great friend, Carole James.

I would suggest, Carole, as a great friend…. I told a sec­ret

yesterday. You might want to go and watch my two minutes.

Please welcome Carole to the House.

Tributes

CORINNE SWYSTUN

S. Furstenau: On behalf of the B.C. Green caucus, we also want to extend our thanks

and gratitude to Corinne Swystun.

The Attorney General’s decision to allow access to legislative drafters

by opposition parties I think was a wise one. We have certainly taken advantage

of that and have been very grateful for Corinne and her team’s efforts and help

in working on legislative drafts and amendments.

A huge thank you from the B.C. Green caucus as well.

KELLY DUKESHIRE

S. Furstenau: There is another member of this legislative team who we won’t see when

we come back in February, if we come back in February, and that’s Kelly

Dukeshire, a member of the Legislative Assembly Protective Services team. All

of you know Kelly. He is very tall, very friendly, very smiley, wonderful and,

as the Minister of Health is pointing out, a wonderful basketball

player.

I don’t know if everybody knows this, but Kelly played for UVic varsity

basketball in the 1980s. He was on the team that went to the national

championships five times and won four of those five games. He is inducted into

the UVic Sports Hall of Fame. He was named all-star several times in his career

as a basketball player, and he never missed a game.

I think that’s what we’ve seen from Kelly here. In the time that I’ve

known him, he is always here, always present, always smiling and always so

wonderful to interact with. I will miss him greatly. However, our chief of

staff, Maeve Maguire, who also played varsity basketball at the University of

Alberta, is conspiring to keep Kelly around in some intramural basketball fun.

So let’s all encourage him to come back and to shoot some hoops.

HEIDI REID

Hon. J. Osborne: I have the honour today to introduce the amazing Heidi Reid. Heidi is

the administrative co­ordinator in my office, but this is only her last

stop on a long and remarkable career with government and in the B.C.

Legislature. Today is Heidi’s last session day, because she’ll be retiring on

December 17.

Many of you know Heidi. She’s been working in this building for almost

30 years. She knows every system, every process and, I think, every person in

this building. Heidi is known to be direct and determined when she needs to

solve a problem, but Heidi is also known for her very huge heart. She’s always

ready to help people when they need it.

[10:25 a.m.]

In 1986, she had her first job with Elections B.C., and in 1990, she

moved over to government. She was truly sold on working in the B.C. Legislature

when she began working for former minister Art Charbonneau. Art was one of the

many ministers and MLAs that she supported, and as has already been noted, one

of those former ministers has joined her in the gallery today — Carole

James.

Carole and Heidi worked together for over a decade. Carole asked to be

with Heidi on her last day in the House and declined the option that former

MLAs have of sitting on the floor with all of us.

For me, as a new MLA and a new minister, I have so appreciated working

with Heidi. Besides her service to the people of British Columbia, Heidi also

has a daughter, a son and four wonderful grandsons, and she’ll also have a new

puppy joining her family soon.

I am incredibly grateful to Heidi for all of her years of service, as I

know that you all are too. Please, join me in welcoming and thanking Heidi

Reid.

SUSAN VASILEV

B. D’Eith: Today in the gallery, we have Joanna Groves, the B.C. NDP caucus

operations director, Roseanne Moran, our executive director, and Susan Vasilev,

our internal communications manager. We really, as a caucus, appreciate all the

work they’ve done, especially over the last year, with COVID and all of the

things that have happened.

I wanted to say a few words about Susan, as she’s heading off to

retirement soon. Today marks the end of her last legislative sitting. Susan is

our longest-serving caucus staffer, having started in 1992. She was working in

the news department of CKDA radio here in Victoria where she met MLA Gordon

Hanson, who recruited her to work with the NDP caucus.

Since that time, with a few little interruptions, Susan has been with

us, helping generations of MLAs and staff to succeed as a legislative

assistant, communications assistant, ministerial assistant and, in her last few

years with us, managing internal communications and, particularly, giving huge

support to our constituency assistants.

We will miss her energy, her knowledge, her skills, her fabulous sense

of humour and her willingness to roll up her sleeves and really pitch in when

she was needed.

Susan, we wish you all the best and send you off with much love for a

well-earned retirement.

Thanks, Susan.

Mr. Speaker: Opposition House Leader.

B. D’Eith: Hon. Speaker, I’ve got a second one, if that’s okay.

Mr. Speaker: Sorry, continue.

ROSEANNE MORAN

B. D’Eith: The second part of this is Roseanne Moran. Roseanne, too, has had a long

history with our caucus. She worked as a ministerial assistant with us in the

1990s. This time around, Roseanne has been with the caucus for ten years with a

couple years break in be­tween, and she has been the executive director,

both in opposition and in government.

In fact, she returned to us to help to set up the government in 2017,

with the intention to stay for a few days. Well, four years later, she is still

here, but we finally…. We’re trying desperately to hang on, but it’s not

working.

In between working with our caucus and government, Roseanne worked with

many organizations to make the world a better place and has a long track record

of advo­cacy and activism. I’ve got to say that she will be retiring, and

we’re going to miss her. Personally, as the caucus chair over the last year,

Roseanne has been absolutely stellar in very, very difficult

circumstances.

We’re going to really miss her on the music nights too. I don’t know how

we’re going to replace her. She’s an amazing singer, songwriter and guitarist,

an amazingly talented person and a great friend.

Please, if we could give a big round of applause for Roseanne and all

the work she has done.

Introductions by Members

P. Milobar: It gives me pleasure to rise today at the end of the session to have a few

thank-yous.

First and foremost, the Clerk’s office. As a House Leader, they’re an

invaluable resource to me to make sure we are always following procedure, whether

I like it or not.

I’ll let the Government House Leader…. Don’t worry, there are no emergency

debate motions today.

Also the Sergeant-at-Arms and their team, making sure we're safe and

secure. Certainly, that was on full display last night. I want to thank them on

behalf of the official opposition.

[10:30 a.m.]

All of the chamber staff as well. They do great work for us. We couldn’t do

our jobs without them as an assembly as a whole, but certainly, as a smaller

opposition, we rely on all of the supports and help that this building

brings.

Internally a big shout-out to all of our caucus staff, who do great work

for us. We’re kind of like the three bears of caucuses. There’s the two-member, us

and then the government side. So we’re right in that sweet-spot middle. It makes

us very efficient. We have staff that all have to chip in and do whatever is

called upon them. Our caucus staff just provide wonderful support to us.

Especially, a special shout-out to the kids in the basement, because I know they

love it when they’re called that in this chamber.

Finally, of course, our legislative assistants within this building. We

couldn’t do what we do without them. I know that my legislative assistant is

sitting in the chamber today, Shala Robins, who is perhaps the most patient of all

of them. Not to single anyone out, in particular, but she is here. She does not

only have to tolerate me as a legislative assistant, but she also has to tolerate

the Leader of the Opposition as a legislative assistant.

Thank you to all of our staff for all the great work that they

do.

K. Greene: I have four introductions to give today. Be­fore anybody is alarmed,

there is a reason that I bundled them in. It’s my family’s birthday in November.

It’s a very exciting opportunity to have a lot of cake in one month.

To my kids, William, Matilda, Sullivan, I love you so very much, and I’m

sending hugs.

To my husband, Trevor, who carries so much when I’m away, I’m very

grateful.

Tributes

CARMEN PURDY

T. Shypitka: As we heard yesterday, Kootenay East and, indeed, the province of B.C.

lost a great soul.

Carmen Purdy was a special person that had the uncan­ny ability to

recall historical references and stories of the southeastern part of our

beautiful province. He was a big wildlife enthusiast and steward of the land,

as he helped create the habitat conservation fund in 1981, which in part helps

restore habitat and feed starving elk during very harsh winters.

He sat on the board of B.C. Nature Trust for 20 years, among other

conservation organizations, to being a member of the regional Agricultural Land

Commission panel. His hard work led to obtaining tens of thousands of acres

throughout the east and west Kootenays in the name of conservation of wildlife

and habitat security. He was a president of the East Kootenay Wildlife

Association for ten years, as well as being involved with Scouts Canada as a

Scouts and Cubs leader.

Carmen was awarded the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal. He was

actually awarded that medal by his longtime friend and confidant and former

MLA, Bill Bennett.

Carmen was controversial and didn’t always agree with the status quo or

government of the day. He ruffled feathers, stirred the pot and charted his own

course for the betterment of the Kootenays. In short, he was loved, he was

disliked, and he didn’t care.

I will miss many passionate conversations with Carmen. I wish his wife,

Carol, his three children, Jodie, James and Curt, and his many friends across

the province the sincerest condolences and sympathies to a great, great

Koot­enay man.

May he rest in peace.

Introductions by Members

Hon. N. Simons: It’s a pleasure for me to introduce five members of my staff. I’d like to

thank them, and others might want to congratulate them, for working with me for

just over a year. I’d like to particularly point out Valerie McKnight,

administrative coordinator; Nina Karimi, ministerial adviser; Ebony Rindahl,

administrative assistant; Anne Vavrik, executive assistant; and Alisma Perry,

senior administrative adviser. They are in the House today.

Welcome them to the

House. Please offer your congratulations and thanks to them for me.

A. Olsen: I’m going to do my best to not reintroduce everybody that’s already been

introduced today. What I am going to do is reintroduce people that my colleague

and friend the Leader of the Third Party introduced yesterday. We thought they

were here yesterday, but no, indeed, they are here today. My apologies for the

time that we wasted yesterday.

[10:35 a.m.]

We’d just like to introduce some friends and supporters: Gail Star; Brian

Charlton; Martin Graham Golder; Mi­chael Madrone; Peter Spindloe; Rafe

Sunshine — who I knew when I was in school; it’s a long time ago now; Anke Van

Leeuwen; Pam and Richard Demontigny; Pat Nichols; Dev Percey; Nick

Dickinson-Wilde; Mark Neufeld, Waterfall Good; Vaalea Darke; Derek

Pinto.

Welcome to the chamber today. Unfortunately, the dining room is booked, and

we’ll have to find another time for lunch.

Could the House please make them feel welcome.

S. Bond: Well, all of us recognize that forestry is a critical part of B.C.’s

economy. We have a number of guests who are here today, and they are concerned

about the future of the industry.

I want to ask the House to make welcome Henrie Ma­chielsen from

Campbell River. Henrie works for a support business whose clientele is 85 percent

forestry-related.

Hannah Tucker is from the Comox Valley. Hannah is 19 years old and is a

first-year student attending the coastal forestry technology diploma

program.

Lastly is Tamara Meggitt, from the Comox Valley. Tam­ara is the

co-founder of Loonies for Loggers, which did food drives and delivered food to 23

communities and thousands of people during a labour dispute in

2019-2020.

I would ask the members of the Legislature to make all of those guests

welcome.

Tributes

COURTENAY-COMOX CONSTITUENTS

R. Leonard: Today being the last session, I wanted to acknowledge the passing of a

number of constituents. One of the things I live by is that I’m a part of all

that I have met, from a Tennyson poem. These folks have had an impact in my

life.

I wanted to acknowledge the passing of Don Malcolm. He suffered from

Parkinson’s. I wanted to acknowledge his partner in life, Delores Broten. They

both founded, I believe, the first environmental magazine in Canada, the

Watershed Sentinel . Delores, in supporting him, has been able to

continue to champion environmental causes through her magazine as well as

advocate for people in long-term care and people living with

Parkinson’s.

I want to acknowledge the passing of Nancy Reynolds. She lived with MS

for decades, and she supported her husband, who was a longtime member of the

NDP and was very instrumental in bringing the sustainability lens to our

development of policies as a party. He continues to champion environmental

causes.

I want to also acknowledge the recent passing of Bev Eriksson, who

passed away from cancer. Her husband, Erik, is a long-standing NDPer who has

run for nomination on several occasions. He’s a logger by profession. He was

the agent during the IWA days and continues to advocate for people who are

workers in our forests.

All of them have supported their partners in life and have been

supported by their partners in life. I think that that is a real tribute to all

of them.

To all those that I haven’t mentioned, it’s a good lesson to take

home.

Introductions by Members

J. Rustad: I have the honour to introduce four guests today who are also here from the

forest sector, concerned about what’s happening in the sector.

Starting off with Bill Dumont, he’s an award-winning, distinguished

professional forester with half a century of managing rainforests. He was a member

of the team that developed the Great Bear Rainforest conflict resolution. Bill’s

main concern is the lack of science-based forest rec­ommendations being

bandied about by the current government.

The second guest I have the honour to introduce is Charlie Rensby, who is a

councillor from Burns Lake, a friend of mine from my riding who’s down here. He’s

very engaged in the forest sector, working in the sector as well as involved with

the community forest. On top of it, Charlie just celebrated his 30th birthday

yesterday.

Happy birthday, Charlie. Welcome to the Legislature.

The third guest I would like to introduce is MarryAnn Cheetham, who is

representing forest families from Port Alberni. Her family has been involved in

forestry for over three generations. MarryAnn is a wife and mother who has watched

her community become a shell of what it once was as opportunities have disappeared

over the years. She’s very concerned about the immediate impacts that they’ve

already been hearing about in her community.

[10:40 a.m.]

The last guest I have the honour to introduce is Rona Doucette from Woss,

B.C. It’s a hamlet of approximately 200 residents that is fully dependent upon the

forest industry. She’d like to know how the minister will support these

communities and their retirees as others move away.

Will the House please make them welcome.

G. Lore: I feel like I got all the workouts I missed over the session standing up

and down today.

I think it’s pretty clear there are incredible women in the gallery today.

I want to name all of them, but I won’t. Just a lot of gratitude for the

incredible women here who I have a chance to work with.

I do want to echo my colleague from Fraser-Nicola in welcoming the

remarkable and inspirational Carole James, someone who has contributed to this

province and my community of Victoria–Beacon Hill in an absolutely

un­precedented way, and one of Victoria’s new honorary citizens, a truly

incredible person and a friend.

Would the House please, again, make Carole James welcome.

S. Cadieux: Unfortunately, she wasn’t able to be here today, but she’s watching, I

know.

Kamal Dhillon is the mother of four grown children and a grandmother of six.

She’s been described as an individual with a powerful ability to challenge men,

women and young adults. She’s a voice for the voiceless. She’s been the recipient

of several awards. She’s a sought after speaker on domestic violence, and I call

her a friend.

Please welcome her to the House today.

S. Chant: Today I’d like the House to join me in welcoming Chief Ret’d. Sylvain

Jacques, who recently retired from the Royal Canadian Navy after 33 years of

service.

His last posting was as the fleet chief with Esquimalt naval base. He’s

originally from Montreal and has been living in British Columbia since 1998. He

has served on multiple operations during his career, including Op Forward Action,

Op Apollo, Op Altair, Op Podium and Op Projection. And no, you don’t know anything

about what those operations are about.

He feels very fortunate to be continuing to support the defence community

and their families in his new role as the base and fleet liaison at the Esquimalt

Military Family Resource Centre.

Sylvain and his wife, Sonja, reside in beautiful Sidney by the sea and are

proud parents of Livia and Garen.

I ask the House to make him welcome and thank him for his

service.

H. Yao: It almost feels wrong if I don’t stand up and do an introduction, since

everybody is doing one today anyway.

I want to take a moment to welcome my constituency assistants. Dicken Lau

and Amy Li are joining us today. I do want to emphasize that they do already have

a difficult job, from tending our chaotic

schedule to dealing with difficult

questions, liaising with ministries and trying to do our best in making sure that

our constituents are heard.

Of course, Amy Li, unfortunately, also has to manage my temper, regularly

telling me: “Henry, you don’t need to get angry over that issue.” From time to

time, she says: “MLA, did you double-book yourself again?” or “Henry, seriously,

are you really thinking about doing that?”

I’m very thankful for not just having a constituency assistant; I also have

somebody who’s smart enough to remind me that I’m pretty dumb from time to

time.

I also want to say welcome to Dicken Lau, who regularly goes to events with

me from time to time, making sure I keep my face mask on, keep my speech short —

I’m pretty sure Mr. Speaker is looking at me right now, asking me to keep my

speech short as well — and, of course, always asking me to make sure I greet all

of the individual dignitaries according to provincial health

guidelines.

I ask the House to join me and welcome the constituency assistants as they

observe QP today.

Tributes

SHIRLEY BOND

P. Milobar: It gives me pleasure to rise today to say a few words about our

illustrious Leader of the Official Opposition. No, she did not know this was

coming. So thank you to everyone for keeping this under your belts.

[10:45 a.m.]

The Leader of the Official Opposition, from Prince George–Valemount, has

had an incredibly difficult task. This is our third session through a

leadership race, which is currently happening. In fact, the race seems like….

It has been so long that I think the current leader will be our

second-longest-serving leader by the time we get to the decision.

The member for Prince George–Valemount was first elected in 2001 to this

chamber. Six elections later, she’s still here. I say “to this chamber” because

there were also three elections as a school trustee. At a time when we’re still

seeing, all these years later, women in politics trying to have their voices

heard and trying to feel like they are equally accepted, the Leader of the

Opposition was breaking those ceilings for a great many people that are in this

chamber today — and in chambers, really, across Canada.

She has served — and this is quite a long list — as a critic. She is

currently the critic for Health and long-term care and previously served as the

Finance critic. But when in government — you know, those good old days…. I was

just going to say that I was only there for 17 days, and even I notice a

difference.

The member for Prince George–Valemount: Minister of Advanced Education,

Deputy Premier, Minister of Health, Minister of Education, Minister of

Transportation and Infrastructure, Attorney General of British Columbia — and,

yes, the first female to hold that position in B.C.’s history — Minister of

Public Safety and Solicitor General, Minister of Jobs, Tourism and Skills

Training and Minister Responsible for Labour, not to mention all of the cabinet

committees she sat on.

As anyone will attest in this chamber, I think, who has sat on a

committee, she does not take her work lightly. She dives right in,

wholeheartedly, as we’ve seen over this last year as our interim leader. She

makes sure everyone is held to account — first and foremost,

herself.

In 2000, she was the B.C. Interior, North and Yukon Woman of

Distinction, awarded for her work in public education, prior to getting elected

into this chamber.

Now, I well know, like everyone else here, the pride and the tenacity

she has with her riding. If you ever want to question that, call it Valemont

and not Valemount, and you’ll find out, very quickly, the pride she has — and

still has to this day — never losing sight of her home riding, despite all of

the critical provincial responsibilities she has had.

We know full well that her late husband, Bill, has been looking down on

her this last year shouting his encouragement, egging her on and lifting her up

on those days where maybe the job just doesn’t feel quite so great. That legacy

continues on, undoubtedly, with her grandsons, Caleb and Cooper, cheering her

on every day.

I’ll end with this. I think it’s something where I will not do it

justice, but I'll give it a shot. I was never very good at community theatre,

but I'll say this to the House Leader of government: it is time for him to

stand up, take account, and tell us what he’s going to do to address this

situation.

Hon. M. Farnworth: I actually think that that is a very fitting way of ending and for me to

segue into my remarks about the Leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Official

Opposition.

Before I get into them, I just want to say something. There’s a reason I

said that. When she took on that task, you often heard in the media, and you

often heard outside this chamber, the term: “Oh, the member for Prince

George–​Valemount is the interim Leader of the Opposition.” There is no

such thing as an interim Leader of the Opposition. She is the Leader of the

Opposition.

[10:50 a.m.]

It’s because she has the responsibilities. She has the challenges. She

gets the criticism and the plaudits for that role, which is a very important

and integral role in our system. People don’t often realize that.

I learnt very early on when I came back in 2005, and the member was

sitting on this side — as the member said, in the good old days — that when

you’re going to ask the member for Prince George–Valemount a question, you

better know your question, and you better know the topic. If you didn’t, you

were going to be humbled very quickly and very publicly. During that time, I’ve

had the privilege of working….

I can’t use your name — I’d like to — at this point in time. I have

really learnt to respect you, to appreciate the work that you’ve done on behalf

of your constituents and the passion that you bring. Particularly, we often see

it in this House when you do statements about members or events in your

community. You can sense the pride you have in your community. I know that

wherever…. There’s going to be a new leader, but I know this. You will continue

to represent your community well.

The one thing I will say…. I told you this when we had a conversation

the other day…. I want to thank you for that conversation. I also want to thank

you for what you did in taking a little something off my plate.

I think all of us on this side, whether on this side or that side, are

very familiar with what we refer to as the member for Prince George–Valemount’s

death stare when she has you in her focus on a question being asked.

Absolutely, will that member be asking questions in the House today? Because we

expect her to.

S. Furstenau: I’m delighted to be able to add some words, well-deserved praise, to the

member for Prince George–Valemount and the Leader of the Official

Opposition.

I’m going to be like Winnie-the-Pooh. I’m going to say what I see. What

I’ve seen in the last year has been, under the leadership of the member for

Prince George–Vale­mount, a caucus that has turned into a team, a team

that has purpose and vision and commitment to the work that they are doing as

the official opposition.

I’ve been watching and — she may not know this — seeing her as a mentor.

I think we haven’t really recognized this, but for the first time in B.C.

legislative history, there has been a moment when there were two women leaders

of two parties. However, they weren’t sitting in the House at the same time.

This last year has been a year unlike any other in many ways, in that we have

two women leaders of parties in this House. My journey over this last year,

particularly with the Leader of the Official Opposition, has been one from

colleague to friend.

I am grateful for the conversations we have, for the work we’ve done

together and for her steadfast commitment and fierce determination to serve her

constituents and everybody in British Columbia. I’m deeply grateful.

[Applause.]

Introductions by Members

Mr. Speaker: It’s hard to see so many good friends leaving us or retiring or changing

positions. I just want to say, on behalf of all of us, thank you, each and every

one of you, for your service. But don’t worry about it. People like the mighty

Carole James, who will be back. Shirley, I would say, will be back, will stay with

us and guide us, mentor us.

I want to say thank you, each and every one of you, for your

service.

[10:55 a.m.]

Tributes

GREG NELSON

Mr. Speaker: Hon. Members, I would like to advise you of one other upcoming

retirement from the Legislative Assembly, that being of Greg Nelson.

Greg joined the Legislative Assembly in 2006 after a 30-year policing

career with the Saanich police department. He first served as a special

constable with the Legislative Assembly Protective Services prior to assuming

the role of training and liaison sergeant two years later. In that capacity, he

served as the main investigator and contact for security and safety measures

for all constituency offices and the legislative precinct.

In June 2019, during a challenging period of time, Greg was appointed

Acting Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms. A few months later, in October 2019, this House

unanimously appointed him Acting Sergeant-at-Arms, a position in which he

served for two years until October of this year. Greg’s steady hand and

commitment to this institution through 15 years of loyal service has been most

appreciated.

Greg, on behalf of all members, we wish you the best in your next

chapter of life. Thank you. [Applause.]

Statements

(Standing Order 25B)

INTERNATIONAL DAY

FOR THE ELIMINATION OF

VIOLENCE

AGAINST WOMEN

S. Cadieux: Today, Thursday, November 25, is the International Day For the

Elimination of Violence Against Women — not a nice topic.

One in three girls and women endure physical or sexual violence in their

lifetime, and 603 million women live in countries where domestic violence is

not yet considered a crime. Over 60 million girls worldwide are child brides,

married before the age of 18. Women and girls make up 80 percent of the

estimated 800,000 people trafficked across national borders annually, and 79

percent of those are trafficked for sexual exploitation.

Violence against women has increased since the start of the

pandemic.

Today will also launch the start of 16 days of activism. A woman who has

been an activist, not by choice but driven by experience, is Kamal Dhillon.

She’s the author of Black and Blue Sari and I Am Kamal: Survivor

to Thriver . She is a domestic violence survivor with a story to tell.

Kamal survived multiple attempted murders, including hanging by her sari,

dousing with kerosene and electrocution with an arc welder. Kamal has had ten

jaw surgeries and now lives with an artificial jaw.

What was meant to silence her has amplified her voice, a voice for

change. She shares her story across Canada and the U.S. on what it’s like to be

a victim and a survivor of domestic violence. These days she candidly shares

her story, giving talks to the RCMP, the Justice Institute new recruits and

mental health providers. Through her speeches, audiences discover the

destructive grip of dom­estic violence and how that is inflicted and the

strength required to break free. She is a positive example of how we do not

have to be products of our circumstances.

I thank her for her courage and perseverance to help raise awareness and

put an end to the violence.

Seva AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF

SIKH

COMMUNITY

J. Sims: I want to talk today about seva , selfless service, one of the

tenets of the Sikh faith and very much practised in our community.

We’ve heard how much the Sikh community moves forward when help is

needed. Within hours of the devastation that occurred last week, Gurdwaras Dukh

Nivaran, Guru Nanak and others commandeered volunteers, and they started to

organize food and collect donations. These volunteers prepared 3,000 meals,

collected supplies and chartered a helicopter to get the food to isolated

communities within 24 hours.

[11:00 a.m.]

Pritpal Sekhon has been on the ground at the Langley Airport, tirelessly

coordinating with foodbanks, Jewish and other religious groups and community

organizations to have donations delivered to the airport from their volunteers,

to collect and load donations onto planes.

Pilots and dispatchers have been flying 25 aircrafts and four

helicopters continuously, as weather permits, trying to deliver the goods to

the affected areas. Donors have helped to cover the cost of fuel. West Coast

Pilot Club, led by Shaun Bradley, helps to coordinate, and 30-plus truckers

have provided transportation.

Gurpurab was last week. RedFM — this is an attestation to the whole

South Asian community, especially the Sikh community — collected $955,000 that

was donated to the Red Cross.

Thank you to the community.

World Financial Group, led by Arshvir Singh, donated $50,000. Akal Sewa

Foundation, Karnail Singh Rai and Gubinder Singh Rai, provided all kinds of

goods. Baljit Gill is organizing hampers.

Let us commit today to doing seva to help to build a more just

and inclusive world.

HANUKKAH

S. Bond: I rise today to commemorate the start of Ha­nukkah this weekend.

While this Legislature will not sit again until long after the Jewish festival

of lights has concluded, it’s important for this House to recognize all those

who will be celebrating at sundown this Sunday, marking the first night of

Hanukkah.

Hanukkah is the festival of lights, and it commemorates the hope and

eventual triumph of the Jewish people in the face of great adversity and

oppression. It is a time for all of us to honour and celebrate the strength and

resilience of the Jewish people as well as the important contributions the

Jewish community has made here in British Columbia and around the

world.

Of course, within public health guidelines, Jewish families and friends

will gather together for eight nights, starting this weekend, to sing songs,

spin the dreidel, devour delicious potato latke and, of course, light menorahs.

Over those eight cold days just ahead of the start of winter, the flames of

these candles will bring warmth to people throughout British Columbia and

remind us that light always triumphs over darkness, as does the spirit and

tenacity of the Jewish people.

I want to provide a special thank-you to Andrew Reeve, one of our

fantastic staff, for sharing the stories of how his family celebrates Hanukkah

and, of course, for the special sweets he is sharing with us this

afternoon.

While the adjournment of this House tomorrow means that many of us won’t

be able to attend the official Legislature menorah lighting in person this

year, on behalf of the B.C. Liberal caucus, I want to wish everyone marking

this special occasion, whether on the front steps of this building or in homes

and synagogues across the province, a very safe and happy Hanukkah.

Chag Hanukkah sameach .

FRASER VALLEY FLOODING AND RECOVERY

P. Alexis: I would first like to acknowledge I am speaking to you from the

traditional territories of the

Lək̓ʷəŋ­in̓əŋ people, the Songhees

and Esquimalt First Nations.

The flooding in the Fraser Valley has been a catastrophe of the highest

and continue to seek out the latest news, grim and shocking as it is. We’re

desperate to not only know more but to somehow make sense of it all. However, I

know now that you can never grasp the true impact of such a disaster until you

stand in front of the loss and destruction it has left in its wake.

Two days ago my colleague the hon. member for Sa­anich South as

well as the member for Delta South joined Abbotsford’s mayor and me to meet

with blueberry farmers and others to hear their stories and help us understand

what was lost by these people and their families.

In the midst of a crisis like this, it’s easy to be overwhelmed by the

constant stream of information, the re­ports and the numbers. But how can

any of us hope to really understand what is needed after a bleak event like

this until we can sit, face to face, with the people who have suffered the

most, the people we have pledged to serve?

[11:05 a.m.]

The bad news is we’re still trying to assess the depth and scope of what

has been lost and how best we can respond. The good news is that there was no

sign of quitting for the people we spoke to, tired, frustrated and anxious as

they might be. The task ahead is monumental, but they are committed to

rebuilding what was lost.

I don’t have all the answers to what comes next, but thanks to the

empathy and openness we were shown, I now better understand the questions we

are to ask as re­covery begins.

CLIMATE CHANGE AND GRIEF

S. Furstenau: The flooding that has devastated communities, destroyed infrastructure,

taken lives and added ever-more uncertainty and unpredictability is absolutely

a result of climate change. Today it is flooding. At the end of June, it was a

heat dome. Throughout the summer, it was wildfires and then drought conditions

that threatened water security, food security and fish and wildlife

habitat.

We are in a climate-altered world, and we are experien­cing not

only weather-related disruptions that up-end our lives but grief that we don’t

even have time to sit with, much less process. The relentless onslaught of

emergencies won’t allow us the time or space to consider what was lost before

more losses accumulate.

I feel it each time I look out our windows and see the cedar trees

flagging. I grieve for the loss I can see unfolding in real time right in front

of me, a grief for our beleaguered world, a world that we’ve collectively shown

so little mercy for, for so many decades.

I don’t think there is anyone in this province not affected by the loss

and destruction this year has delivered. The farmers returning to the

devastation, the rescuing of stranded animals, the lives lost in the mudslide —

it is overwhelmingly sad.

Grief generates a lot of emotions: denial, anger, sadness. I cannot

imagine getting to acceptance. I cannot accept that we are going to bequeath to

our children and grandchildren this relentless loss and grief.

As those in this province tasked with shaping the future, let us be

fuelled by this so that we will rise to the daunting and absolutely necessary

challenge of treating climate change like an emergency so that future British

Columbians can look back and be grateful for our efforts rather than lament our

inaction.

2022 B.C. WINTER GAMES IN VERNON

H. Sandhu: On November 20, I had the great honour of participating in the 100 days

to the games ceremonial torch lighting for the Greater Vernon 2022 B.C. Winter

Games. This important milestone marked the final march toward the B.C. Winter

Games, which will be held in my home community of Vernon from February 24 to

This will be the first multisport event of its kind since the start of

the pandemic. I want to thank our government for providing financial support

for the B.C. Winter Games as part of the more than $50 million invested in

B.C.’s support sector annually.

Standing next to the Okanagan Indian Band chief, By­ron Louis, and

city of Vernon’s mayor, Victor Cumming, along with community members while we

watched the inspirational youth athlete Rylie Marchand carry the torch past our

cheering community is a memory that I will hold dear to my heart. It was

heartwarming to see our community safely coming together after we’ve been going

through fires and now floods, and it was a ray of hope there.

I want to acknowledge the tremendous efforts put forth by B.C. Games

volunteers and staff. These events don’t happen without months and months of

planning. Despite the obstacles and uncertainties over the past 20 months from

COVID, fires and floods, these folks have worked tirelessly, never losing sight

of their goal. They have had to pivot, change and rewrite plans countless

times, but their dedication and passion have shown through. I am confident that

the Greater Vernon 2022 B.C. Winter Games will be a great success.

I would also like to acknowledge the Vernon Winter Carnival Society,

which invited the B.C. Games to participate in its torch lighting in the

carnival’s annual light-up event.

Please join me in thanking everyone who made this event possible despite

what people in B.C. have gone through, giving people something to look forward

to.

[11:10 a.m.]

Oral Questions

FOREST POLICY CHANGES AND

SOCIOECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF

IMPACTS

J. Rustad: Once again, there are hard-working families from the forest-dependent

communities here in the gallery. Tragically, they’ve been telling us of people

being laid off, companies about to close and families being devastated. The

Forests Minister’s message of “Don’t worry; be happy” is not going over well

with these families.

The government admits their politically motivated pol­icies will

cost thousands of jobs — thousands of jobs — yet the minister will not release

the details to these families if their jobs will be lost. And now we have a

doubling of the unjust and punitive duties which will most assuredly cost more

jobs in this province.

Will the minister confirm how many jobs we lost due to this double

whammy?

Hon. K. Conroy: I thank the member for the question.

I, too, want to acknowledge the guests who are in the gallery

today.

I do want to say we are moving ahead with revitalizing the forest

industry. We are doing it in a way that not only is going to protect old growth

in this province, which is something we’ve all agreed on. I think every person

in this House agreed with the old-growth strategic review that was tabled in

this Legislature last year. I think everybody agreed — as the majority of the

province agrees — that we need to do something. We need to ensure that we are

protecting those rare and iconic trees from irreversible loss.

We have also committed to working with Indigenous nations, another part

of our vision for forestry. We are committed to doing that. We are committed to

working with communities, with workers, with industry to bring our forest

industry into the 21st century.

We will have supports in place for workers. We will have supports in

place for families. We will have supports in place for communities. We know

what it’s like. I lived through the times when the former member was in the

government, and there were thousands and thousands of jobs lost without

supports in place. I know what it’s like to live in a forest-dependent

community. I know what it’s like to be in a family where four generations have

worked in the forest industry. I get it. I understand the grief. I understand

the concerns. We will be there for people.

Mr. Speaker: Member for Nechako Lakes, supplemental.

J. Rustad: Well, quite frankly, refusing to provide the basic information provides

no comfort to these families. These hard-working men and women, in one of the

foundational industries of this province, deserve better.

First, we’ve seen this politically motivated policy with no analysis

about the cost to jobs across this province. As the USW Local 1-1937 president

Brian Butler says: “Quite frankly, they’ve sold out forest workers.” And now

having access to the largest market denied by Americans, which we know is going

to cost British Columbians’ jobs, and this government has done

nothing.

How many jobs? Where is the analysis? Or do you just prefer to leave

these families with a bleak Christmas?

Hon. K. Conroy: What I prefer to do is not to fearmonger. I prefer….

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Continue.

Hon. K. Conroy: We have been clear when we talked about the deferrals. We are looking at

2.6 million hectares that potentially could be deferred. We are talking about

potential job losses.

If every area was to be deferred in the new year, we would expect about 4,500 jobs to be

lost. We have been very clear about that. That is a potential for job loss.

It’s not 18,000. It’s not hundreds of thousands. It is 4,500 jobs that could

potentially be lost. We will….

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Members.

Minister will continue.

[11:15 a.m.]

Hon. K. Conroy: We have been very clear with that, and we will have supports in place.

We have also been very clear with that. We will have supports in place for

workers. We will have supports in place for communities, for

industry.

We have had industry reaching out to us. We have had industry who have

said to us: “We understand the direction that you’re moving in. We understand

your vision. We agree it is time to bring the forest industry into the 21st

century.” This is something that should have been done years ago, and it hasn’t

been done.

M. de Jong: Well, if the minister thinks that the people in the gallery today take

any comfort whatsoever from her throwing out figures and trying to minimize the

impacts of her government’s policies in the absence of providing any

documentation or analysis whatsoever, I’ve got news for her. They don’t take

any comfort from that. They will leave here justifiably more

concerned.

She said we are fearmongering. Well, yesterday the minister wouldn’t

even stand up and confirm on the record that the tariffs were being doubled.

She couldn’t bring herself to provide that level of information.

Here’s something else she probably doesn’t want to acknowledge. Last

week, in analysis from the RBC, from the capital markets, here’s what they are

saying about the policies that she and her government are embarking upon and

implications of British Columbia harvest deferrals:

“The impact is clearly negative for the B.C. forest industry. The ongoing

forest industry exodus will only accelerate. We suspect that sawmills will pull

back on local investments, given the uncertain future of forestry in B.C. The

province has already moved from a low-cost producer to, by far, the highest

cost region in North America. The unfortunate thing is that less lumber will

make it more challenging to grow the value-added applications, such as mass

timber, given that lumber costs will be far higher than other

regions.”

Now, are they fearmongering as well? That’s an analysis that says that

this minister and this government’s policies are putting those people out of

work.

How many more forest-dependent families are going to lose their jobs

because of the policies being advanced by this minister and this

government?

Hon. K. Conroy: We know that our forests have a special place for people in British

Columbia. We also know that we need to manage our forests differently. We need

to ensure that we have a forest industry for generations to come but also have

a forest industry for people today. We need to ensure that we are protecting

our forests, those that are at risk of irreversible loss. We have to ensure

we’re protecting them. We have to ensure that we have supports in place, and we

are doing all of that.

We are going to do it, and we are going to continue to do it. I can

continue to say it, but we are also acting on it. We are also working with

Indigenous nations. We are working with industry. We are working with workers.

We are reaching out to communities. We are doing that work to ensure that there

are minimal effects.

We know what it is like. We know what it is like to lose jobs and not

have any support. We know what it’s like to lose jobs and not have a transition

to retirement, not to have any support to get some training so that you could

learn something else. We know what that is like.

We will have those supports in place. I will say it today, and I will

say it again. We will have supports in place.

Mr. Speaker: Member for Abbotsford West, supplemental.

M. de Jong: I’ve got news for the minister if she doesn’t get this. The people here

today don’t want a bridge to retirement. They want to work in the forest sector

in British Columbia. And all the minister can say is: “You’re

fearmongering.”

Well, here’s the good news. One of the flagship forestry companies in

British Columbia yesterday announced a half-billion-dollar investment. It’s

great news, except that they made the investment in Ontario and Quebec. They

didn’t invest in B.C. They made the investment there.

Listen to the numbers.

Interjection.

M. de Jong: Oh, the member has got lots of things to say. You should go out and talk

to these people after the session.

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Minister.

Members.

[11:20 a.m.]

M. de Jong: One of British Columbia’s flagship forest companies, in response to the

policies introduced and advanced by this government, the absence of a softwood

lumber agreement…. Interfor’s production will be as follows. Sixty-two percent

of the lumber they now produce will be from their U.S. operations, 20 percent

will be from eastern Canada, and 18 percent will be from British

Columbia.

That’s one of our flagship forest companies. Surely, the minister isn’t

proud of those numbers, and that trend is going to continue.

The people here in the gallery today want to know the details. They want

to know how many of their jobs this government, this minister, is prepared to

sacrifice on the altar of misguided policies.

Hon. K. Conroy: I’m glad the member referred to misguided policies. Those were the

misguided policies under their government that led Interfor to do the

investments across the line, as did a number of other companies.

I have talked to Interfor. They have been working on this transition for

some years now. It did not just happen. It did not just happen because of our

forest policies. They made that very clear.

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Members.

Hon. K. Conroy: They are continuing to invest in B.C. They are continuing to upgrade

their plants. They are committed to British Columbia. They are committed to

their workers.

The member has his information wrong. He should get his facts

straight.

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Order, Members.

Hon. K. Conroy: We hear every day of companies….

Mr. Speaker: Members will come to order.

Hon. K. Conroy: I’m talking to companies. I’m talking to industry. They are continuing

to want to invest in B.C. They are committed to B.C., and they are committed to

workers.

We are working together to bring the forest industry into the 21st

century, something that government should have started years ago.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND GOVERNMENT

REVENUES FROM HOUSING

SECTOR

S. Furstenau: Earlier this week the second quarterly report of the province’s finances

was released. It showed a deficit that wasn’t as big as expected and a growing

inflation rate.

The report also showed that, so far this year, B.C. has brought in $1.8

billion from the property transfer tax. That means each time a house is

purchased in B.C., a slice of that profits the provincial government. And $1.8

billion is a lot of money. In fact, it’s more than what has been raised in

actual property taxes, which amounts to $1.5 billion.

B.C. is in a housing crisis, and a large part of that is due to the fact

that we treat housing as a commodity, an investment. Housing is a way to make

money, not a way to shelter families and communities.

Housing prices for all types have increased by 17.1 percent this year.

So a home that would have sold for $800,000 last year would now go for

$936,000. By taking a cut of that growth in the property transfer tax, the

government is profiting from the housing crisis. It’s profiting a

lot.

To the Minister of Finance, the provincial coffers are expected to

profit to the tune of $3 billion from the property transfer tax this year, but

such a large reliance on a single revenue stream is, to quote the minister

herself, a risk. What is the minister doing to diversify provincial

revenues?

Hon. D. Eby: Thank you to the member for the question. I think housing is one of the

most important issues facing our province.

Our government has taken a number of steps to address speculation in the

housing market. We put in place the speculation tax, which was an innovative

and brand-new tax, actually, under former Finance Minister Carole James, who is

in the House here today. A remarkable and critical tax to say housing is not an

investment; housing is for peo­ple to live in.

I notice the members on the other side oppose that tax, continue to

oppose it in their leadership debates. I hope they don’t sit on this side to

bring speculation back in, in the same way. We supported interventions to force

the other government, when they were in power, to limit foreign investment in

our housing market. We will continue those measures.

It is a risk to be dependent on this. I know the member is not

suggesting we get rid of that tax, but we’re trying really hard to shift

housing into a situation where the supply that we have in the province meets

the demand.

We had about 50,000 new British Columbians move to this province because

of the opportunities that are here. We need the housing to support

them.

[11:25 a.m.]

That’s why we’re working with municipalities, the Minister of Municipal

Affairs. That’s why B.C. Housing has $2 billion going to workforce housing from

this government as we build the housing British Columbians need.

Mr. Speaker: Leader of the Third Party, supplemental.

S. Furstenau: Thank you to the Attorney General and Minister of Housing for that

response. However, what I’m asking about is diversifying provincial

revenues.

While the province makes billions of dollars, one in three renters are

worried about making next month’s rent. B.C. has the highest rent in the

country. Homelessness is on the rise. It takes the average British Columbian 35

years to save for a down payment. Racial inequality is being exacerbated. We’re

in a housing crisis, and this government is profiting from it with

zeal.

It looks like a conflict of interest to have a government making

billions off a crisis they’re supposed to be addressing. Our overreliance on

the revenue generated from the unsustainable housing market makes us

vulnerable, especially as we use it to fund recovery from severe weather events

that we’re facing all year.

Again to the Minister of Finance, we need to have the confidence that

this government is taking seriously the responsibility to diversify B.C.’s

economy. What is the minister doing to diversify provincial revenue

streams?

Hon. D. Eby: We are in the midst of the largest in-migration to British Columbia in

30 years, the Minister of Jobs just advised me. The member wants to talk about

diversifying the economy. What better evidence of how we’re building an economy

that works for everybody than people voting with their feet and coming to

British Columbia?

We need to have the housing ready for them. We need municipalities to be

building the supply that’s there. B.C. Housing is partnering with them. The

Minister of Municipal Affairs is working with them to expedite approvals

processes. And it is working.

The member suggesting that we’re not acting on this…. I don’t understand

it. As of April 2017, the previous government had about 2,000 units of

affordable housing under construction or in development. As of February 2021,

our government has 19,108 units. We have rental housing under construction at

record levels, as we have for the past three years in the province. Since the

introduction of the speculation tax, 18,000 previously vacant homes back on the

market as rental homes.

We’re doing the work, but there’s a lot more to do.

GOVERNMENT CONSULTATION ON

FREEDOM-OF-INFORMATION

LEGISLATION

T. Stone: Documents obtained under FOI reveal that the Minister of Citizens’

Services undertook a complete sham of a consultation into hiding information

from the public. On March 31, 2021, the minister received cabinet approval to

gut freedom of information. Her caucus briefing notes confirm that every key

element was decided before consulting with the Privacy Commissioner, before

consulting with the public and before consulting with Indigenous

peoples.

My question to the Minister of Citizens’ Services is this: why did the

minister decide that she would gut FOI before consulting with Indigenous

peoples, the public and other key stakeholders?

Hon. L. Beare: I want to thank the member for the question.

The Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act has not been

updated since 2011. The legislation is outdated, and it’s not serving the needs

of British Columbians. We’ve been contemplating changes to the FOIPPA act since

2017. There’s been consultation ongoing since then — 2018, 2019, 2020 and

We’ve been listening to people. It is our role as government to listen

to what’s going on in people’s lives. We’ve been hearing from businesses, from

public bodies, from universities, from health authorities, from the tech sector

that the current legislation is out of date and that it wasn’t serving the

needs. It’s not allowing them to be competitive, and it’s not allowing them to

provide the services…

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Members.

Minister, continue.

[11:30 a.m.]

Hon. L. Beare: …that people have come to count on during COVID-19.

We had to implement a ministerial order so that people were able to

FaceTime with their doctors or so that we could use Google Classroom. It’s

these types of important services that are embedded in the amendments in our

legislation we have before us today that will allow us to continue serving

British Columbians and allow them to keep accessing the services that they have

come to expect and that they rely on.

CHILD CARE PLAN

K. Kirkpatrick: Through FOI, the NDP’s own decision note has revealed what many have

suspected about their secret agenda for child care: bigger government, more

bureaucracy…

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Members. Let’s listen to the question, please. Members.

Order.

K. Kirkpatrick: …and bad results for families.

Romizel April Kennedy is a landed immigrant who has invested her

family’s life savings into child care centres that serve over 250 parents in

Surrey. She says…. These are her words: “Ninety percent of my 60-woman

workforce are members of a visible minority. The NDP is not only risking my

livelihood but that of all these minority women. I planned to open new spaces

for over 400 families, but today I have to cancel these plans. Surrey needs

these spaces, and it is shameful that families will be hurt by these

unjustified changes.”

Will the minister explain why she is threatening the child care spaces

of these 250 families and tens of thousands of families across B.C.?

Hon. M. Dean: For years, the members opposite neglected child care. They left families

to fend for themselves.

Families in my community have a long commute to work. But because there

were so few child care spaces, they had to commute for child care and then

commute for work. That’s bad for the economy….

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Order.

Hon. M. Dean: It’s bad for the environment, and it’s bad for quality family

life.

Since 2018, nearly 26,000 new, licensed child care spaces have been

funded.

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Minister, take a seat.

Shall we continue?

The minister will continue.

Hon. M. Dean: Thank you, hon. Speaker.

That’s the fastest child care space creation in B.C.’s history. We have

funded more than double the number of spaces than the opposition funded in 16

years. I have families coming to me in tears…

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Members.

Hon. M. Dean: …because they’re now able to access child care. That means they have

better quality of life, and they’re able to go to work. So we will continue

investing in child care.

GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO SEVERE

WEATHER EVENTS AND CALL FOR

ALL-PARTY COMMITTEE

S. Bond: We began this session asking about how 600 frail, elderly British

Columbians died in a heat dome. Through an FOI, we discovered the NDP had been

warned about the dangers.

We’ve asked about the delays and frustrations the residents of Lytton

are feeling as they try to rebuild their lives after a devastating

fire.

We hoped the government would have learned lessons from these tragedies.

Then the floods hit, and it was clear that many of the same mistakes were being

made again.

British Columbians expect us to work together at times like this, and

that is exactly what both opposition parties asked to do. We can do better, and

we must.

Will this government commit today to an all-party committee to review

and improve British Columbia’s em­ergency response?

[11:35 a.m.]

Hon. M. Farnworth: I appreciate the question from the member.

There is absolutely no doubt that the past 20 months have been more

challenging than just about any other period in the province’s history. But if

there’s one thing that we have seen during that time, it’s British Columbians

coming together to get through these challenges — whether it is communities

pulling together, whether it is emergency services pulling together, whether it

is all of us getting through pandemics, getting through floods, getting through

fires — and we will continue to do that.

In terms of our response and how we deal with that, we know that there

are challenges ahead, as we are facing climate change — the reality of that and

the impacts. We’ve seen that in fires, and we’ve seen that in

floods.

It’s one of the reasons why, since 2017, we’ve started to make changes

to do just that. It’s why we’re undergoing the largest overhaul of the

emergency protection act in this province’s history, since it was introduced in

1993. That work has been ongoing for more than a year and will continue to go

on, with legislation expected in the fall of next year.

The leader has raised questions about alerting. I’ve said also in this

House that there are going to be significant improvements, in terms of our

capacity, online for next summer. There is additional work that will no doubt

have to be done, and it may well involve the ability of all members of this

House to participate through committees to work on some of those

issues.

What I can tell you…. The priority of government right now is to ensure

the well-being of British Columbians impacted by these disasters, to work on

the recovery, to get this province up and running as quickly as possible, as

soon as possible and as safely as possible.

Mr. Speaker: Leader of the Official Opposition, supplemental.

COLLABORATIVE ACTION

ON ISSUES IN B.C.

S. Bond: I don’t think there is a single person in this House — or, probably, in

British Columbia — that would disagree that British Columbians are resilient.

They’ve come together in times of crisis that included wildfires. They included

a heat dome, floods. You name it. British Columbians came together.

What is astounding to me is the fact that there is such reluctance or

fear to actually do things differently in this Legislature. I have no idea why

the government resists the offers from both opposition parties to step up and

behave in a way that shows British Columbians that we are prepared to tackle

tough issues together.

Let’s look at why that might be even more important to members on the

government side. In the mandate letters to every single cabinet minister on

that side of the House, it says: “That means seeking out, fostering and

championing good ideas, regardless of their origin.”

Those are the words of the Premier of British Columbia. It’s not just

floods, and the minister knows that. When we think about reconciliation, it is

one of the most significant challenges of our time. All of us were devastated

when we learned of the confirmation of unmarked graves, not just in Kamloops

but across our province and country, and even more devastated when we think

about what we could do together.

In British Columbia today, an average of six people die as a result of

an opioid crisis. It is a crisis that is unprecedented in our province. The

Leader of the Third Party and myself, months ago, said to this government: “We

want to work with you across party lines.” How on earth could that be seen in a

negative light?

The Premier said: “That means seeking out, fostering and championing

good ideas, regardless of their origin.” Look across the aisle. It’s time to

show British Columbians that we can actually do business differently. We can be

better together, and we must be.

To the Deputy Premier, when will the government recognize the importance

of sending that message to British Columbians, especially at times like this,

whether it’s rel­ated to the pathway to reconciliation or to deal with

the opioid crisis in British Columbia? We call on the government today — both

opposition parties. We want to work across party lines on those two critical

issues, as well as looking at emergency response.

[11:40 a.m.]

Will the government honour the Premier’s words and ensure that we can

work together across party lines?

Hon. M. Farnworth: I thank the member for that question.

I think all of us in this chamber want to ensure that we are doing

everything we can to address the crises that we face. There is amazing work

being done, right across this province, by British Columbians of all political

persuasions, from all walks of life. There’s amazing work being done in this

House, across party lines, on a daily basis. There is significant cooperation

that takes place.

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Members.

Hon. M. Farnworth: In touring disaster sites, for ex­ample, whether it has been fires

or floods, we have brought along members of the opposition.

It’s a serious question the member raised, and I really appreciate it. I

will also remind members, particularly new members on that side of the House,

that there was a time when you guys sat on this side, and you didn’t do things

like that.

Interjection.

Hon. M. Farnworth: Yes, it is.

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Members, we’ll listen to the answer.

Hon. M. Farnworth: I only say that not to be the focus of my response but to make this

point. Absolutely, there are opportunities for cross-party

cooperation.

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Members, we heard you already. That’s enough.

Hon. M. Farnworth: If you listened to my answer to the first question, you would have heard

me say I think there is opportunity to do just that, and I don’t see any reason

why we cannot do more.

Interjection.

Mr. Speaker: Member for Cariboo North.

Interjections.

Mr. Speaker: Every member will come to order. The Minister has the floor.

Continue.

Hon. M. Farnworth: Thank you, hon. Speaker.

When committees are put together, they are done in the context of their

terms of reference, in terms of a project, in terms….

Interjections.

Hon. M. Farnworth: You know, hon. Speaker, it’s pretty clear. I’m trying to tell them that,

yeah, there are opportunities, but what I’m getting is sort of partisan

rhetoric back. That tells me….

You know what? This is the last day of this session. There will be

opportunities for committees to be struck when we come back to the House in

February, and I look forward to it.

[End of question period.]

Tabling Documents

Hon. D. Eby: I rise to table the civil resolution tribunal annual report for

2020-21.

Petitions

J. Rustad: I rise to table a petition signed by 411 people concerned about the

intersection of Lloyd Drive with Highway 16. Along with this petition are

testimonials about all the risks that are associated with that intersection, for

the minister’s benefit.

Hon. M. Farnworth: I seek leave to table the 2022 parliamentary calendar — something which, I

know, is of great interest to members.

Leave granted.

Tabling Documents

Hon. M. Farnworth: The parliamentary calendar for 2022. As we’ve been talking about

cooperation, it is early this year that I am tabling it. We will start on February

8, and the session will conclude on the 2nd of June, for members’ information. And

yes, spring break will be in the calendar.

Orders of the Day

Hon. M. Farnworth: Before I move noting the hour, I would just like — I usually do it later in

the day — to remind members to clean out their desks so that the hard-working staff

here do not have to do that.

Hon. M. Farnworth moved adjournment of the House.

Motion approved.

Mr. Speaker: This House stands adjourned until 1 p.m. today.

The House adjourned at 11:44 a.m.

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