Volume XL Wednesday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard} Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number.47 1 June 1988

Th e Hou se m et at 2 :0 0 p .m . MR . SPEAKER (McNtch21_~s2_ : Or der, please! I shall now comment upon the point of or·d(!r raiSE!d by th(! hon. mE•mber for Fogo on May 25, 1988. Tho :is~; Ul: ' 'is whethE!r' a n1embE!r rndy ask Et rn J n -L ~' L e I" a q u e ~; l:.l u n I" r::! l. a L: .i. n q to a statement made outside the House by the min.ister.

The Government !louse Lr:=!adE!r' and ti·H:! rnembE!r for Fog o i. n l h e .i. t· s u b m .i. s s i. o n ~; b o t h referred to Beauchesne page 132, i\1 o . 3 1:) 9 , s u b ~:; "' c t .i. on '1. 0 , tAJ h J c h states 1A qul:~stion ought not to ref'c:!l" l:o d ~;l:atr:~rnr:=!n~.: rnacle oulsid("~ the House by a Minister. 1 As fal" a~; I have bec!n abl.!::! to determine From our records, this :i. s s u e h i'1 s n e v (;! I" b e for· r:~ b e e n I" c:d s E! d .

L'll i t h o u t c o n d u C'l": i t1 g a complete and exhaustive study of E!VE!Iny qUE!Stion askE!d by the hon. rnE!mbel~s to the goVE!rnrnent of ·the day OVE!r the past tE!n to t.i}.)E!}Ve year·s, I Feel sure GJUE!stions have bc-:~en asked of mj.nisters rE!SfJE!Cttng gov(:!rnment poJ.:i.cy as may be S\:!1:: forth in statements made by ministers outside this han. House. Upon checldng l::he .Journals of i:.he l·lot.ISE:! of Con1rno1·1s of Apl":i.l J4-, 19'7':.), t.he Speaker' 1nade thr:~ following comment in relation to J·:hc::! l'"l .llt=:• r::-r ··n ln Be>dUI :he=!;:;n u d ~; Cjl!Ol::ud abovE!.

The~! quoLt:! is: 'It.: SE!ern~;; to in r:• i. l:: i ~; a lfkt l:: 1·: c I'' oF ( o ;" 1n i" a 1: h ~~ i" than one of substance, for, . I J • - l . I I . L l'l C (~ C! C1 , 1. 1.. a q lJ C!

S .: .1. 0 1'1 0 : ·1 H i''!AJ 1. <; C:! conforms wilh the principles of 0 r· d 1 Q 1 1 C! s t: i. o n P C:!l" i. o cl , i. 'l: o 1.1 g il t n o 1: to br=! d:i.squaJ:i.l::-".i.E!cl s:.i.rnpJ.y br::!CdUSE:! o , .. - i. l.: '> p i" C:! a 111 b l. c:.• , b e c ;:,, u ~; H ·i. n .L l: s p I" f~ a JTi b 1 E! ~-:: o rn H r· c::• f E! r· E! n c c~! i ~; 1 n a d E! t o a ITI ··i. n .i. ~=; L 1,:! i" o I" i:'l s t ,.,l l.: u rn r:! n L ITJ r:-~ d C! b y a n1.l.n: is Le1" sornE! plaC E! ol~hE!I" t.han hei"( ''· 1::-0I" lhc~! 1:i.l:e oF me, I c a n no t u n d E! r s t a n d IAI h y , t n t h e c a s E! oF a valid quesl.:ion, a member L2529 June J, 1988 VoJ.

XL would want to ·t:ie :i.t: into a statement made outsi.dE! of the House and therefore risk havin~ it disquaJ."if.-i .e cl whr,~n, i.n f ~~ ct, the s:i.rnplE! dE!ViCE! is lo put the q IJ c,' s l:. :i. on d :i. r· e c t.l y lAd. thou -1: any r:.::!fE!rE!nce to t:hE! staternE•n l . 1 In concJ.ut;iorl, th E! r·uJe a~; set ou l:" .i. n B r~ <" u c h C! s n e s e ~;! rn s c 1 e t;l i" . r h ,,,, t..uay ar·ound t.he r·ul.E! :i.~> aJ.~~o c 1 C:' ct r' . () rn C! rn be r' IAll s h :i n g l:: o as k sue~ a questton should sirnpJ.y take c a I"::! 1: o ph l" C1 s l~ L h (;! q 1.1 c;• s L :i. on wi ·thout rE!fE!rrjng to the statE!JnE:!nt m d. d t·) outs .i. cl :~ t·.: h o 1 I o u ,, e .

Statements by Ministers PR EMIER PE CKF ORD : Mr . Speaker . r-11~ . 5 P F A K E R : The han. the Prem i er . PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr. SpE!akEH', I riSE! on IJJhat:. I consider to be a matter of very great importance and it concerns thE· ongoing qUE!st:ions both in s:i. dE· and outs ::i.dE! this House ·-· Yo1.1r Ruling is rather appropriate at this po-Lnt i.n t:imc ... by the LC:=!adr:~r of' the 0 p p o s :i. ti on (r-1 I"' . ~.J t< LI. s ) · an cl ol:hc:•r' lrJC: !lllbE!I" S of l::he Oppos~il· :ion, as ·it r·elatE•s to l:.he DE·puty J.l j" : :! JrJ'i. : :! I" ' u H:! rJJ. i. n j ~=; 1.--.r:!

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I) i" . Co 1. 0'!. i. n" ) . l I'll i:1 cJ C! d S lJl [·:. (! ITI C! rd.: ~; (' ~J C:! I'' ,·:1 1. cJ d lj ::; a~JO I"Ulativr::! to thts, the1t t··.he h 0 n . /) l' p U I: y P i" IWI ".i. E! I" , l.:i·l (! ~H rd. S l:" e r· of Health, had disclosed all of h i. :::~ .i. n l: C:! ;·' c :; 1.: ~; c• v 1:! r· y y u"' r s :i. n c l! h c:• has beE!I'l a ITJ:i.nistel"; E!UE!r·_y ~:::int:J1t:! i.nl::UI"c ':!':.l:. he:! hr '\~; hacl he hd::. cl:i.sc:J.osed, and he ha~: . Fc>J.lotAJec! l_he conF:J.:i.cl:. of -Lnl.:UI"e::.t: quiciHl .. i.n(·~ ~ _s c1nupuJ.ousJ.y, and I t:h:i.nk thal :: hc1s not bc,~corne Lh(;! pc :•r'cE :!pl·:.Jon in the:! No. 4-7 R2529

me d ·i. a i. n the cot) e r· ·age of l h .i. s . 1 have stnct~ asked !:he Mi.nJsi :.E:~i~ o·r=- Health to follow through on <.·\dcl.l.t-Lond1 allr:! <JatLons, thal: h::i. s name did appear on a shareholder's l.i .s t: E:!VE'!Il thou<::Jh he! hdd h:i.s shdi''es put .: in tr·ust ancl had nothing 1.,.1 1·1 c:t ·1·. s o (c' v ''! i" l:-.c:l cl o w .i. t h t h c:- c o 111 p a n y from the day he entered Cabinet up unto th.is present moment.

The minister, the D<:~puly Premier, has provided me and hand delivered ta me last night a letter, which I haVE! copiE!d fo1n aLl. hon. mc::!rnbers and for the press, in which he says thE! foJJ.ow:i.ng: 'ThE! Lr::~ader of the Opposit:l.on has a1lE!gE:!d that my name appE!ars on the TE!rra Nova Enterprises sharelist for 1982, 1983 and 1984 - as r'E!gistered j_n thE! Registry of Deeds. You have asked me to investigate this situatjon fo1" you. T c:!Sl~.abJ.-.i.shc:!d l:.e-l.ephone conl.:a c l.: IAdth Min. Donald MC:H'CE!r, q.

C., trusi :E!r:! of 1ny shE~I"I :' :i.nl·:er·esl:., !AJho lAJc!S trave11ing in Nova Scol~.:ia at . l:. h E! t .i. rn C:' , tAJ h o !d : a t C!. d t h e o p .i. n i. o n that this could only have been the i"E:~ su1l : of clerJr:al o.rro1"' ··- nli .stake- 'in his offiCE!. HE! \>llggc :'str :!d [ contc '\Ct Lhc:! businc! ~>~; ITIClnag E:'r' of h:is off ·j_C E! l:o Sf:!(o' if it could bC:~ clet.c:!r'm'inc :>.d hoto~J l::ho E!I"I"OJ~ aro ~; e. I SUbSE!qUE!nU .y contactE!d the b u s :in e ~; s 1 nan a g ("!I" 1.1J h o i:·l J. ~; o s t. a l:.

E'! d it couJ.d only have be C:!n a cJ..erJcaJ. l"!r'ror·. point. :ing out that: al : a certain time each year J.iteraJ.ly hundreds of these shareli s ts ar o pr r::!pi'li "E'd and subrnj .ttE!d to the r~ t:! g :i. s l: r y as r· E:! q u ·.:L I"'' ! cl by l. 6\IAJ, l:: h c:'l t l.'!CCOi"cl-.i.n~jJ.y l:.l·1ey lAJ E!rC::! pr·r:•pat'E!cl by c 1 !:'! I" -.:i. c i:-1 1 s t:. ;:~ F f a 1 o n E'! ( o f l:. C::! n j u n 'i o i~ ~:;l ·:.aff by reason of thE:! rnJ .no1~ importance atl:.ached to the do cumen

t) and subrnii:L (o!d For <a lctt.uyer' s signal :tH' c , E!S Scnl :lalJ.y L2~)30 Jun(;! l, 1988 Vo1 XL t.u:i.t.houl: s Ci"u l::oi.ny. He f11r ther· stated that, rE!grettably, error·s often creep i.nto this procE'. ss. · HE• undertook to procure copies of the s u b rn J 1:. l: e cl ~; 1'1 a ;" c:! l. i ~; t ~; , r o ~~ a n y ful"thE!r infonnat:.L.on t.hE!Y rnay conta.i .n. ~:)u bs oq 1.1 en !:.1. y. l (• x ;:un. i. ned co p·i I:!;,; o i­ t hE! sharE!l:i.st s (the fir ·sl t·.i111c I hdd E!lJC::!r' seen l·:he1n) for thE! pr :!l"j .od 1978 to 1986 incJ.usive, IAJ~d.ch ar'e e~l: :tached .

Scr ·ut .iny s hot~Js i:hat, indeed, a number contain SE!VE!r aJ. errors, as follows: Tho 19'78 shar'E!]:i.st ts E! ~>SE!nl :.:i.aJJ y t;.,Ji thou t E! r· I"O In (a 1 t. hough s t.l brn:i t.: t.: C:!ci at a 1at.E!r date than str·:i.ct.Jy Jn accor·danCE! lAJil:h l':he li~IAJ, Sc:!pt:ernbc:!r· 11, 1979) and corr'E'ctly J.·.i.st :s rny namE! dS Din. John Coll ins, T 1n E! a s u In E! r , a n d J o h n C o 1 J. i n s o t.•Jn :i n ~1 OllC! Shr'li"C '.•; lhe 1919 1ts l.: conta tns sever Rl E!rJnolns, ti'H '! fi.I"St pa~je j_~ :; i. 1'1 C 0 i" i'' C!

C t 11) d Cl l:: l:! d a S l 9 '/ g lAI i l:: h corTE!Ct:i.on in jnk, thE! S(,!Cond i" (~ ma J n •; J nco i~ r· c~ c l:.l. y d a !~. C:'! d t.·l s l 9 'I il . the sharelist contains the narne " J o h n I~ . c o 11. j_ n s " ( m y i. n .i. ~-. .i d l ·t ~,: John F.) own'ing "nil" s har ·~~ ~;, but . j_ l.: c 0 r'l" f:~ c U . lj l (! clV E! s Illy 11 d m (:1 0 r f the Directors' listing and shows M r . 1) o n d T rl (.) . r,~ e r c C:! r· a s L i" u s t (! <:' o 1=­ onE! s hai"E!; ThE! 1980 Ji.s ·t incolnlnect:Jy shot.vs P.

ChJ"i~:;t.Jnc::! ,'VJei" CI'.!i" d' .. : .o:t D·iJ"ec to J" ( r: have bE!en assurE!d by lhe of f'·.i.ce ln,':J.nager· and Mr·.

Mor'CE•r th a t-. l:h i ~: J.ady ha s r1evor· had any co nn e ct :i.on tAJ i l:h l:hr:! company bc.1l : :is a D:ii "E!C I'.o r L~dl:h an un connected company) , bul: is otl'lE!rt ... dse cor-rE•ct: :.i.n l:h at 1ny narnE! nE!-:i.thE!r' appE•ars as a D··.ir'E:•c t.or · no r· ~~1 s a s h <.·\ I" u h o 1 cl e I" ( il1 J" . ~1 e t r:: t:'! r c o n t :.i. n u E! s l: o b P s h own a ~:; l.: I" u s t.: (' e oF one shai"E:!); The 1.981. li_i:;l:: shot .. .Js no el"l"or ·s; The l9B/. l.i. st sl'lOIJ.J S "Collin s, J ." No. '~7 R2530

as a Director (which all report lAJas an error in listing), whilst co nti nui ng to s hotJ.J Mr. Mr:1r c E!r as tru S tE!E:' of · one SharE!; Both thE! 1983 list and tlw 1984- Li s!: tJJC,!r'E! registE:!rE!d on l:".hc-:! samE! date, April 19, 1985 (i.e. the 1 9 B 3 1 :.L s 1:: L~Ja s I" 1:• g is L E! r· ::! d onE ! y t'' a r· latE!), and Li.st.s 11 J'ohn C. CoJ.J.ins 11 as a Director,

whereas my full name is John F. Collins (again. t: h E~ s t i:l r= f a t: t h ~' l. d 1.11 F i r· 111 s t a L: C:' that these were listings in error); T h e 1 9 e s l. .. i. s t • IAJ h i. l s t n o ·l: s h o tAJ .i. n g my name as a Director, is j_ nco r' i" (~ c l: i. n t h ,1_ t .i. l.: l. .i. s t s CoJlj J"t(;, J . C\.s owning one s harr::~ 1.1.11"1 il.s t. not l.i.:> L i.ng Mr. Mer ·c:el" a:; p o ~; s E~ s s J n g a s h a 1~ r:1 i n t r u s t. , tAl h i. c h cont .inuE =!d l.:o be t:hc <'lct ua1 C<'..\se (t:his shar·el.:.i.sl:.

IAJi:'tS a]~;o r'lo!CJi.~;l:.UI"!=:•d onE:! y(;!~~l" l.r\l..e, Mi:'ly l3, 198'/); The 1986 iL does Director Mercer as trust. list is co,~rE!Ct in that not list my name as a but again lists Mr. holding one share in It is regrettable that these clerical errors, of a number of Vi':H'ieLLt=!S, hav(~1 occurr·t;•d and p1nov:i.cled l:he LE!aclel" or-· l':.he Opposition the opportunity Lo cause some confusion. The Fact l"etlta·ins Lh<: 'tl':. I pH;··sonally h<·:'td no pal~t : 'in pr ·1:•par ~i.ng t.hE! shar·elisl::s -i.n qt.JC::!S l':.:l.on i~tncl l::hi:'l 'l: L:hc! ll.'tiAJ f:i .l"lll conct::>l"ned I"E!adtly s l:at E!

Lhat C:H' i" 0 i" S lAlt'! I" C! I lli'l cl (;! i rl t:i 'll:' frl i'l S outJ.j_nE!d abovE:!. 1 lAJO ttl_ d a~~ ~:; 0 ·1 j k (;! -1:0 [fli.'l k C' l: h 0 po:i.1t 'L. at- l:.l·,j_~; ·tj .JTJP Lhal:: t.h e l...r::•ader' l)r l:h c!

Opposi.ti.on, i.n (:\ 1nosl.: dC:'!V.iou s t.~Jay. has notAl t:.akr: :•n t..hE! li.nC! o( ~> tlgqc :!s Ling Lhdl: il : i.:::; ~;OTTil''hOIAJ '.iiltpi"O[:JE!r' f.OI" a r~:.i .n:i S l:.C::!Y' to bu 6l tlli.ntJr':i.Ly shar'Hhol.c!E'!I" i.n d company doing business with L2531 June 1., 1988 Vol XL GoVE!rniTIE!iTl:, on thr:~ basis ti·1at t.he Conflict of Interest for Ministers is bl"c~1aciH!d in that evc~'i'lt. As ·you arE!

WE!ll aware, the Gu:LdE!linE!S contained no such provis-ion, and tho LE!ader of thE· Oppos:LU.on :i.s cJ. c~1arly endeavoring l:o cau:>e ful"t.hE!t" confus:i.on by means oF tnnuenrlo and st at i ng an untruth as l:.o the naturE! of the Guiclr:d·inos. l Tho D c~ p 1.1 'l:. y Pre rn .i.E! r· t s not .: b I" E! a k :.i. n g any guidelines. He folJ .owed cornplc~ l::el.y the~ gu-.idel. ine;:;. 1 ! trust he will not be al.J.owed to pc:!l"pel:ri'll:.E :! i.:he :;u 1=-i ·'llsehood~ ; without E! x p o s u r E! and r· E' p r i r11 an cl . 1 Mr ·.

Speaker, I table l:hi~-:;. and a1 1 I n :~ e d '1:. o s d y .i. s L: h d 1·: '1..: hI:! DE! p u 1.: y Premier, the Minister of HealLh, L h !"! M 0 rn b :'' ;~ -r:- o r :3 t . .J o h n 1 s ~:; o u t h • has scrupulously carried out hi s acl.:i.v..i .t:i.E:!S i.n dC CO i"dance t;.J 'il:'.h a"ll l·: he 1 c:·ltJ.J s an cl r E' ~~ u 1 at ion~; g u v ""r n :.i n SJ t.:h-1.~; Prov"Lncr:=!; he hds had no dealings with the company from lh e t:i1nE:! ht'! p1 .1t h.i.s shar·es in i:.rus t. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. WELLS: Mr. Speaker . MF~. :3PEAKU\: The hon. !::he:! Leddel' oF th~C! Opposition . M f~ .

L~ E L L S : r·hdnk you, Mr·. SpeakE=!r. Mr~. TOB[N; Say you are sorry . AN liON. MFMREF~: ApoJ.og :iz t=!. MF~. WEL.L:=3 : Mr . ~:> p~~~ :·lker , iF t·:.hO S("! unclisc:lplinecl people wouJ.d remain C[ u i o t . l:. h c:! y t;.roi. 11 h u d ~~ l': h e f u L 1 truth. They can say what they No . L~ 7 1~2531

like after, but I u..JOuld just lib:~ the opportunity to be heard. SOME HON : MEMBERS : Oh, oh! Ml\ . SP[AKEf~: Oi"clc:~i", pleasE·! IIIJH. WEL.1..:3: ~> o me body s h o ul. d pi" c:~ a c h l: o you , yo 11 need it. You have de:1monstr·ated to rne long enough. SOME HON. MEMBeRS : HE~ar, hE:1ar! MR . WELLS: There has been dire need for years. MR . SPEAKER: Order, please! SO ME HON. MEMBEHS : Oh, oh! MR. WELL~3 : Mi" . SpE:~akE~r, tAJr1e:'n you ht'We rna'int:.ai.ned or·dei", I IAJould lJko lo spE:1ak. IVJR. SPEAKER: Order·, pl.E~asr:!! MR . llllFI L~3: 1\J o lA I , M r· .

S p e a k e r , I IAJ a n t. 1": o <:·1ddr·ess l.~h::! lrlr'ltl.:::~i"S i"r'li.Sf:!d i.n this, pi"imai":i1y becausc:1 of !:he ~=;uqqr-=!stion l.:hdl.. I hi:'l~Jc,:~ br::!un cloi.ny something improper. I want l.:o <'1clclr·ess l".hdl::. AN HON. MErJ!BER : You can addr·ess ·it all you like. MR. SPEAKER: Or·ciE!i", please! ~~~~ . PA1'TI:l\SON: You are taking our salary under 1'.:'1f:! l:a:) .. f:!, ·:.'1c:tL: "J.!> J.nauc.,·.lo e. I 1'1 II . (' J'I·J.) MR . PEACH: 1..2 1~) 3 2 JUnE! 1, 1988 Vol XL We do you not discloSE! your ·i.ntercsts? Thal .i.s a problem .

M R . lrJ ELLS : r·~i". :>pt:!dkc:!i", i.r-:- Youi" member of th:is HousE• th:=! ll<·:,nsai"d of Lht:! !:h:is quc"~st:ion, and llonour Ol" <:'1ny IJ.Ji'H1 t. s L 0 g (' 1:. cl<:•.y r l"ai~:;lc!d rE:•ad it, t.-.hr·y '"'IJ1l soc:• cl.:,!<·'1i"ly 1".1 h.:'t L r ~; <:t ·i d . What I did say, MY'. SpeakE!!", VE!i"Y c l. e a i"l. y 1.'k' s ~: h a t , i;t s I l o o k ~:! cl d l.: that shal"E~l:i.st: and it sl·wtAJed the hon. · rne:Hnbei" as a shareholder :in 1 9 8 5 , I LAJa s complE!tely confident !: h a·!: I..Vf~ s an e r'l" o r a n d t h a 1: E! rJ" o l" s IAJerE• fai.r1y l.i. k E:1 that .

Hansard. common in That is SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER: Order, plea sE!! r.!lr~. WELLS: sharelists there in T d l so eli" E!I~J r.t t. ten L: 'i. on t: o t: he fact that. the hon. mE!Tnber IAJas Jtstecl a~=; a d:ir'c~ctor· foi" l::hl"ee sl:.r'c\:lghl: YE!ar:-s in a i"OtAJ, and I stmply as kE·d l h n P r· c~ 1 n .i. r"! r· I: o d e 1: (o1 i" rn :oi. n e IAJ h d t 1.1.J a ~:; the;~ causE:~ of this, and he has donE! thr.lL. The hon. Jlli.ni.sl:t:!r i'k\S rni;1c!c:• hj s statement. Now, that i~> t o t i'l 11 y i t' i" t:!

T C! v i'l n !: . :r l h a s noth:Lng to do with Lhe guidelines, l: h d I·. j 1.1 ~' t ·. d cl eli" e ~; ~; u d l he q 1 1 e ~:; t·.-. ·.Lon of the Premier's statement: that l·.he hon. lnLn.i.sl..(:!r' h<'ld noLh 'i.nq l.-.o dO IAJil':h the ITldl'1d9(!1'rlE!I'1l: Or l:.hr:• COillpany. SO ME HON . MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR. WELLS: L. E'' t U S cl E' i:'l '} lA I oi. l h 1'.: h E! lj U j cl <:! J. l. J'1 !'.! ~; and thE! con f J :i. c t: of' j_ n t lo' :n ("! s t . T i·1 E' . ·' 1 . I 1 ·1 gu1ae 1nes spea< very c .ear ... y. ? C~£:.1.L.t!Sl!~·L._i'11~.~.1E:_g_~ : Oh, oh! No. 47 R2S32

MR. SPEAKER: 01nder, please! MR. IIIIELLS :·- iVJr•. Speaker, would you plE!aSE! maintain ordE:!r. Thank you, . Mr. Speaker·.

ThE! guidE!l·inE!S sl.dc.l'! uer·y c1E!iH'lY that 1 tJJhilE! hoJ.ding officE! and for· one year after ceasing to hold office, a minister, hj.s spouse or rn:inor· chi.ldr·en, or· i:::t body or organization in tJJhich any of ·them has a financial interest, shctll not, without first obtaining the a p pro v r.1l o r l he P 1" (,~ 1 n .l C:! r· 1 i. n c a c h cas l:~ , ~; h a 11 not , IAJH.: h out f 'irs t o b +: a .L n J n g t h e a p p r' o u a l o f 1. h E' PI"E<rniE!I" - 1 be el..-i.g:iblt'::~ to rE~ceiVE! r:t n y o F Uw 17 o ll OI.AJ'J. n g ben(! f i. ·: ·. s f I" o rn the Proujnce or an agency: A c () n l i" a c l'. r 0 j'' Uw ~) l.l p p l y 0 f g 0 Ci cl s o I" ~~ c I" v :i c e s . 1 • r hat. , t h f:!

P 1n ern :'.i. E! r· h d s 'l.: o l d L h i. s II o u ~=; o , \).Ji:l s no L done. He hdd a general letter Frorn the rn.i.n .istE!i" whc:!n tho hon . minister' first bE~came a rn:i.n:ister and l i1 c:! r e tJ.Ja ~; no l E! l:: 'lc:! r f' or· any one o·f these leases. ThE! conflict of interest rules have been clt::arly bl"eachE!d, and, on top of l:hat, Mr. Speaker, UH:~ in ·Fonnation provided indicates clearly that at least another $96,000 a year is pa td -- SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! r"'r~. :=JPFJ)I<ER : Oi"der, plea~;e! OrdE!I~, pJ.eaSE!!

Tht'::~ hon. rne111be1" 1 s l.:'.i.iTlE' hc:'IS e'lEtpSE:!cl . :'30MF HON. MEMfH : R~): He c:·tl" , hE~al"! 30MF : 101\J. MI ~Mn F ~~~3 : By 1<'.•etVE! . Mr~ . 1~ELLS : On a point of or'dE!r, Ml". SpC"!akE!r'. L2r:>33 JUnE! 1, l9BB Vol XL SOME HON. MEMBFRS: Hear, hear! MR. SPEAKER: Order, pleas .e! A point of order, the leader of the Opposition. MR. WELLS: han . -t::he M r· . S p c,~ a k E! t' , I s 1·.: o o cl t: o s p f! a k :i n this HouSE!. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Apolog .tZE:~! (lpologiZE! I MR.

L'IIELL.S: Lool< IAJhat tAl<':! haVE! notAl. 1 can no l:. e:~ 1; C! n m<i k a L h (:• p o .i. n l·. or=- order' , I:H,~caus~O! those animals do not haVl'' enough discipl lne thE!l71SE!}Ves. SOME HON. MEMBERS : ll(!i:lr, i'lC!• ''II"! MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR. WELLS : l:o bE'h•''lUE! I am adclrE~ss-:i .ng Your' Honou1~ on a point of Ol"dE!r and I J.nsj .st on rny right:: to finish it, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER : Or·dE!I", pJ E!aSE!! Mr~. WELL:'3: J :.in~ :~'ist on rny l"j_~JI·,l: i·:o acldi"C!S ~; Yol .tr l·lonour on d po 'i.n 1:: of orde1~ . SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR.

SIMMS: A p o .i. n ·i: o f p i" .i. u l. ·1. (! q c , ~1 i" . ~3 p '''! a k e I" . Mf(. SPEAI<Ef~: ()'''('I'" .. , l'l 1 ""'·l·, .. '"I . I . 1...- I J ~ • "·· ~-- ... ) •.. . • rhe hon' COIII'lC i.l hd'> pr·iviJ.egE!. No. 1~7 thE:! Pt"'''!~;:i.dc:•nl:. i" i. ~=; o n o ,., a of po· .in t·: ~~ h (! 0 r:~ 1~2533

MR. WELLS: That does not take precedence over a point of order, Mr. Speaker. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! 1"11~. DINN: You i'H'C' qoud ai.: _incomr:! i·.r.1><, b11i. you iH'E! 1'10 good i1·1 the HOUSE!. JVIr~. DAWE: -----GIWSS aga.i.n! MR. SPEAKER: ~he hon. the PlnC::!S i.denL of· l~ he Council. MR. SIMMS: Mt". SpE!aker·, perhaps L.UE! could giVE! tht:~ hon. rnernbE!r' an oppotnl:uni ty to coo]. dolAJn a J.it:tlE! btt bE!fOJne he blows a gasket over there.· r.!Jy poinl: of pr··i.vileg(;! is a VE!l"Y simplE! onE!, but a IJE:~ry important orw.

Fi.1nst: of c:.~J.l, h<;! :is tJJrong whr:~n hE! says a point of pl"ivilege doE!S not oven·:idE~ a point. of order. It certainly does. MR. WEI.I,.S: A proper one does. Ml\. SIMI'-1S: Yc!~;, i.·i·. c:::!l" i:Et.Jnl.y cloc!s. M I~ . ~,1 [ Ll.::; : Yc:!~;, d pr··opE!I" onf:!. MR. SIMMS: Doos tho Opposition one hon. t.:hc:! t.:h'.ink hE! SOME l-ION. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! Mr~. SPEAKER: Olnclei", pl<;!ctS(':!! Mr~. SIMM~): L (~ •·:·1 cl C! r· () r iS t:hE! 1:: h (;! onJ.y I knotAJ hE! J.oVE!S l~o play God and L2534 JunE! 1., 1988 Vol XI. judge and everything E!lse, but hE• is cerl:ninly not playing Speakc;•r·.

It is up to the SpeakE!r · to d C:! l: t:~ r rrri. n :.~ . Now, Mr. SpeakE!r, thE! hon. UH~ l.er•ldC!l" o·r the Oppos .i.t..i.on i.n h·i.s fit of r·agf:! a mornE:!nt ago, cJ.<:>ai~Jy i"cr:c!i"l"C~cl t.:o l:.h::: ll'l(!il'lbut"·s oF J··.h:i<:; h on . 1-1 o use as an :i rna l s . N OlAJ, I , fol" one, i''C!!>EHll: i.t i:'lncl [ i'~tlll certain othE!r rnE!ITibE!rS in l:h:is H o 1 1 s ·c~ r e ~; e n t .i. t . AN HON. MEMBER: We all do. Mr~. SIMMS: I do not think rnembers opposite would like to be referred to as i:-lnimal.s, E~ven iF th(;!y tJJE:!l"e. I submit., Ml".

SpE!akE•i", that t.hat ~i.~:; a slur upon th<;! tn'l:(!91"-.i.l':y oF rn E! 1T1 bE! r s of t. h :L s H o u s e . A n cl :i. F 1·, <::• cannot control his temper, then thE! bE!St thing hE! can do ~is Jeavc thE! Ci·JatTJbE!r. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear·! MR. SIMMS: But cc.:1rtajnJ.y hE! should I:H:! a~~ked, a. t the v C! 1n y led s '1: , Mr .

S p 1:1 a k E:! r and if you look at Beauchesne, l. () 1:) , y 01.1 t . .1J i. ] l ~;; U C! l: h ::~ I" e i:: f'' t· lo~ J'l C .:• there -to refrain From using l:.ho~;c~ k.i.nds oF clei"og,Ji·.or·y cornrnc~nl-·; tot.~.Jat"ds rnr:~rnbE·r·s of 'l:h::i.s Hol.ISe Lui·,u h d u :.:~ b u e n cl1 1 .'1 y <::! 1. G c l: C! cl b y L !·1 r:• pE!opll':! of thts Pl"ov:i.ncE~ l::o so.i.l:: '.:in thi.s IIOIISC:~. II(:• CIO!l"li'lin.ly ~>hould wj.thcltnalAJ h:i.s USE' of that l::E!r'l'll al. l::h.i.s pdr'-l: .. i.c1.1lc:1r po'in l: i.n t.:irnc.:1. MR. WELLS: Mr. Speaker. Ml\. SPEAKEr~: 'fhe hon. th•:~ L. ('! a cl '':!

I" or J::h,::· Opposition. MR. WELLS: No. l~'l R2~)34

Exactly tAJhat I thought it tAJas, a p 0 i. tl l: 0 ( 0 r d C:! In U n d C r· 1.: h C~ g f I .i. S C 0 I' a point of priuile~e, and that cl o e:~ s n o l ·L a !c c p r (:! c "! d e n c e o 1; r::• r i: h c point of order to which I was addressing Your Honour. SOME HON. MEMBERS : No? No? MR. WELLS : That is exactly what it is. Why do you not be a rnan and withdraw your stupid remarks? MR. SPEAKER: Order. please! The hon. l:: h e P r C! ~; i. cl e n t o f::- t h (;!

CouncJl certainly has not csi :.abJ.i.shnd a pi"i.Jna rdcJn The hon. ti·H=! l..l::!adtc•J" of Opposition cli.cl J"C!f 7 er· Lo JTJUn1ber·~~ a~> aJ·IiJTJaJ.s, and I ask hl1n i:o lAJ.i't.hclti'11AJ ·l:hc~l ·. "l:.Ui"l'rl. Ml~. v~ELL~3: cas:?. L hE• hon. lAJO U lei Min .

Speake!", I haue no r'E!luctance at i7tll l.:,O fAiJthclr'aiAJ c\1'11) unpai"lic:Hn(:!ntaJ"Y languagE!, and I do so. l simply Rsk YouJ" llonour ' i.:o keep those undisciplined members, tAl h o d o n o l: h a u e t h c c o u r· t E! s y t o allow a member on this side of the l·Jou ~:; e 1..uha t clo. to speak, quiet . 1 !Alas ask :in g You In SOME HON. MEMBERS : State your point or order . MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! Tht'( l.·. Honour "i. ~=; to I undt::!J"S ti:'lnd Lhc-:. hon. rnuJnbt:!J" hHS !Ali l:.hdi"i.'J.fAli"l thE! teJ"ITI. M f~ . I·~ F: I. 1..:3 : -l·haJ·Ik you .

NotAl, I tAJOIJ1cl .l i.k::: l.o llonouJ" on thE! point L2 53 1) J 1.1 n e 1 , l 9 B B r'lcicll"C!~>:; YOI!i" of or•clt:•r· J.n Vol XI.. respect of which I was interrupted by !:he PrC:~s-.i.ciE~nt of 7 the Council on an improper point of privilege: I !J.JOitld l.ike l:o st:c.ile my poinl:. of order, Your Honour. MR. SPEAKER: rhe hon. {::he L.eacl('!r' of L h C! Opposition. MR. WELLS: My po:i.nt of order is this: ThE! hon .· 1~. hE!

P r· e rni. (o! r· stood ·in th·.i s House and made a staternE!nt, ha1 F of fAJh:i C h dedlt t.~r.i. t h t ac l::s, l::he othE·r half or LJJh"ich cast dSpE!r·sJons dga:i.nst.: rnc:! personc.1lly and suggesb:!d that I lAIC\~~ , by dC:~U.i.OIJS JrJCi:'ll'lS -·· AN HON. MEMBER: D:.id no i: say i l:.

Mr\. kJEL.L::): T h t~ !J.lO r d is us(;! cJ • l l:: :is p J" ::i. n l: e ci i:.l·w i" (~ , 1 i. rl S 0 I'll:'! d C:li .i. 0 It~;; l~k\ y l.T i 1.:' cl to make improper statements in t h ..i. :; I· I o 1.1 ~; r:! 1 , d n ci 1 s L a n d t. o address it, as is my right by Rnybody tAJ.i.th a sC::!nse of Fc:d .r·nr:•ss and balance whaLsoeuer. Mr. Spedker, thE• hon . uH :•mbt:!r's ha~H:! shouted in exactly the same way as l:he hon. JTI(o!mbers cJr'e shoul:.ing now, to such E!Xtt:~nt that I hauE• not b c• 1:! n a b l. 1:! l: o a cl eli" I'!~=; s a 1·1 d J" e ~; pond t.o the :i.ssue.

I just gEd. : st.ar·L:.=•d on il: : and YouJ" HonouJ" J"Ul~=!s rny t·.irne :is up. L'\l:i.th r·e~:;pE·c:t, Your· l·lonour, Lhal~. tnakes a nJocker·y of t I . -l A I l . · 'llS p .. acE:'. ··S i'l C(!rrJOCJ"a·.:J.C :i n s L :i l:.u L i. on , tAli . L h ,, .. ('! s p E• c t. • Yo u 1~ Honou1n, that k:.Lncl of pr·ocE:!dUJ"E! on l::l·lC'! par·t oF hon. rJJHIJTbeJ"s l·:ha.t: pl~ouents a member' fi"OJTI t.h:i.s s:iclo of i·.hc:! !louse FJ"OITJ spuakin(j unl:.-Ll I I . . . . J k : ·1 e :1 r· t J.ITI E! J. s e x p :1 l" E! c , rn Cl ''! \> r.t IIIOC!<cr·y n[- i.ht:· dC'IriOCi"i'1l"ic j. n s L: ·i. l:.u l: j, on .

SOME HON. MEMBERS : il c~i Ji", hual" J 1\Jo. ll-7 R2S35

PREMIER PECKFORD: To that point ot order. M I~ . S PEA K E~ : ThE! hon. the PI"E!ITiiE!r' I to ·thE! point of ordE:!I". PREMTER PECKFORD: ·10 that po:in'L. of~ Ol"clOI"~ l~.hE:!Y'E~ J.~; n 0 p 0 .i. n t 0 r 0 I" cl r~ r . 1-h (~ I_ e d d o i" o r thE:! Oppos:i Lion had his t:irn~':! undE!r th(! ru1e~; Lo r'"!~;pond Lo the sLatE~rnEHlt I madE!. As we do E!Very clay, i::l rnJ.n:i.sl.:el" Oi" i::hE-~ Pr:::~rn.:i.c'!l" gE~ts up c3.ncl makE!S a statemE!nt and a lrlE!InbE:!r' o.ppo:;.i.l:.::~~ l"epr·e~;c:•nt-Lng L1·1 C~! 0 p p o s i ·t :ion I h i.'l s half the t i 111 E! t.:o I'C!Spond l:o l~hc'l'l.: sl·:.ateiTiunt ..

That is what happened in this caSE!. The' LE~adc:!r of the:! Opposition, once again, does not undc~!l"sland l':hc~! r·uJ.es of the liouse; he has been away too long and will be away again very shortly. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! f\-1 R . S P E A K E R : Order, J?leasE:'! To thRl. potnL of or·d(:'!l', thc:!r'e ts no point of order. I IAJ o u 1 cl l. i. k o I: o p o ·i n '1.: o u l:. l:. o h o n .

ITI!'O!Irlbf'!I"S l~i·1al~ l::hPI"E! is 110 p c1i" 1:. i c II T iH' r'l.l1 (;! c-\1:)() l.l t h c1 ~I r i.: "i.nw () /' quarter Lime, it is a kind of lj!HlUi"clJ i.ciC!d !~.J:O! hdlJ(!. f'n ·l·.h:is 1-Jdl"t.::t.cu..l.ar· cc:t~~H. t.hE" hon. l:hE:• l.odclt:!r o·r i:.h::! Oppo~;Jt·i.nn hc·ld exact-.:J.y Lh(,' ~;anrE~ arnounl~. of l:::imE:! as t·J·w P I" e Hri (' r· . Ml~. ~3P[AI<Ei~: A po:int of Pl":ivtlE!9!o!. th(c' hon. the Minister of Hca~th. DF\. COLU:N~3: Ml".

SpE:!akel", I n o t: .i. c e n o tAJ l: h a t :in a potnl: or havE=! had l::h~=! j us t Lva n L t. o g J. v e I w:ill be bring:ing privtlege after I oppor·t.u n:i. t.y of L2536 JunE! l, 1988 Vol XL studying Hansal"cl of l:oday anc certain other relat:i.ve matters. This is my first opportUnity t6 ~c . ~ . t A s o J. n p r· e s e n t: c "t. I" c u m s .. a n c E' s . ·· s You1n Honour knOIAJS, I haVE! rH:!VE!I' bc:!en askc:!d a quesL-.:i.on by t.h1:: Opposition on this matter, ever t:hough 1ny nr:·11nn hi:'t~:; I:H=!UI'l cli"a.qqec i.nLo CE!r··ta::i.n rnaLl .. :::·r·s. ~3o 1 ~JilJf: n 0 i: :i.

C C! 0 ~~ d p 0 j, n I: 0 r pI" -:i. V .l. 1. ('! (j !:! . At thE:! E!al"l:ies l: opportunity, IAJher I hr.'I.IJe hi'ld an oppor·tun:i.ty l:.o s Lucl~ thE:~ ·Hanscu"d and s:irn:i.lar· rn.:d:tE!r's, J tAri.JJ. be r·Js.ing on d po·inl:.: of pd.v:ilege. SOME HON. MEMBERS: IIE:!dr, hni:'ll"! MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! The matter has been noted. At this sl:age I LtJ o ul d ] ··.l. k e t. c welcome Urwick, l:o the thE! qa11E!I"Y 3:ir· Alla1· Bln:i.t.j_sh H:i~Ji· Commissioner to Canada. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker. Mf~. SPE:AI<U~: The hon.

Lhc~ ~~·i.n·i.s l:el" of F.:i.shC::•I"ies. ~1F~. i~lOFOUr: MJ". Speaker, :in a sLal:(!rllt:•nl: T rJit'lclr: 1: o l.: h .i ::; II o 1.1 ~; r:• on A pI" i ] I 3 , 19 iJ D , 1 :i n cJ .i c a t E! d L h a l: rn y d e p a I" t rn t:! n L tAl o u 1 c br:! conclticl.:inq d cornpl"c=!hc=!ns-:.i.I.Je S l:. U cl y 0 f 0 U I" J. 0 b S L E' r' f:· oi. S h (! I" y IAJ j L J· ;'l v i. m.~J -1: o clc! l.:C! r· m.i n .. i. n g n r.:'I>~J rn e iHI s 1-.: c incrE!CJ.SE:! thE! pot.E•nL:i.aJ. clE:!V(':!J.OpiTIE:-nl- ofC l.:ht~; l.JZ'!I"Y -iiJipor·i·i"lnt. inclusl-:r·y.

I am very pleased l:.o announcE: l:: 0 cJ (;l y t h d l.: ITI y cJ ('! p d I" l.:.HI (' n l: h i'l ~;; 1'1 l-llJ.. contracLE!d a con:=;uJt.ant l::o I"E•IJ::i.eL.< cl e v e 1 o p 1 n e n l:: s IAI i L h j n L-. h j s i n cl u s t I" y . Thr:! lobs-t:.~:!r' f:ishE!r'y PI"OV:idE:!S No. 47 R2~)36

~ c:'lpproxJmi:1lC:~ly $"1.:?. l.o '!;J.!") ltiJJ.J.:i.on to our inshore fishery annually. To me:~ n y of o 1.11" .i.n s ho r· r:! ·F:i. she:! i"trHHl, thE! lobstE!r fi shery :is vital to l:·. h c~ o lJ C! I" all. p o r ·For rna n c f!! o f- L: h C:! i. r fishing operation. Due to the t rn p o r r~ a n c C! o f t h i s ·F t s h e r· y l o o u r "inshol"t:!

SE!CtOI", this govt:-rnmE!nt hi:-t~; 11·1aclt:! a ftr·nt COIItrrLil:.rnenL: Lo review the operation of our lobster industry with a view to improving the overall performance of this fishN'Y· This study will review and evaluate fishermen and processor pal"t.icipation in thee~ industry i:Htcl analyzt':' pt"oduct.:ion, pi"J.ce SE!tting a n d t r· c~1 d e p r a c t i c e s .

I h c:-1 lJ :::~ a l s o requested that the consultant pr·ovicJC:! an '-'l.SSE~SSrrtenl: Oi' the~ impact and range of options c o n c c:! r· n .i. n g c:1 n 1 11 n b C:! r· of. :i. ~; ~; u e ~; t.ul·t-:i ch could have SE!r·ious i rrq:.Jl. ·-i_ c c1 l: ion s on L h c N E~ lAJf . o 11 n d 1 ''' n cl lobstcc:l" fi~-;h(!l"Y . 1he majol" isstH!S to bE :! c;!valuatE!cl are the Following: Rr::cc:·n ·l:. chc:tnges .Ln Un ·i.t.c:!d ~)l:dtc~~; t"E!gulations on minimum ca1"apace s .i. z E:! ; Ut C:!

Fe as .i. b i l.i. l. y of l i.'ll'' g e scale holding pounds in this Pr·ovinC(c'; product dE!Vel.opment to "reduce dependency on live lobsters, market developrnenl to decrease dependency, which is pt"t!!~;r::•nl:.1y 90 pr::!l" CPnl:., on Un:i.t.r:!d 5 l: a l~ E· s rn cu· k e t s . Mr. SpE!al<e;!r , I <'W I pl.E:!aS<'!d to announct:• "l:ht:it -t-.:he contt"ac-t-.: fat" l:.he lobs l:eJ" s l:t.ldy has bE:!en at).Ji:tl"ciE•d l.:o Ml". Aiclen r-'laloney of St~. John's. Mr·.

Malortf'!Y, a f·7 or·1ner· M:inisl.:E!!I" o·F Fisheries of Newfoundland and Labr·i:'tdor· Canad:ian eel~ l:.a i.nly and past President of the ;:;aJ.l:.f.:i.~;h Col"por·al:.:ion, J~; dl'l i'\ttl:hor·:l.Ly on i'11l a''P':!cL.s of oul" f·.·i.~;hr::!r'y and I dill conFtclc!n'l: l::l·lr:'t1·. he 'Mi.-11. pr·ol;i.d: :! d valuable "insight into the L2537 Junc:! 1., 1.9BB \Jol XI.. d e 1; c~ l o p m f:! n 1·. o f o u r· l. o b s 1.: r"· ~~ industry. A maximum allocation of $ l S , 0 0 0 h i:1 ~; b C! c:! n r ~) s E~ I" lJ C'! d for l:. h ·.i s S t. U d y L.oJ h :i C h S h a 1 i b E~ S U b ITl jt~ l.

E! d i: 0 rny office by Ocl".ob,,)r' :Jl, 1988. Mr. Mci1oney lAJ.i.ll consult: tAJ:i.th a11 SE!!CtOI"S of thE• J.obst1;!r f:ishE!f'Y j_n 1.: h :.L ~; P r· o v ·.inc E' .~q :; I)..J(' ' ll a.~,: representatives of thE> Department of F"isher"ies and Oceans and any agenciE!S having an impac-t on thE! internal.:ional trading of lobsters. Officials of my dE:!partlTIE!I'll~ t~dll. be rneet·ing tAd.l:h him during the duration of th e agi"E!E:'menL to d·iscuss l.:he progl"ess of thE! study. In conclusion, Mr.

Speakerb the lob~>i·.eJ" F:i.shery i.~; dl'l Pxtr·emc'!ly important aspect of our inshore Fi.sh(~I"Y· It con~;t.il:.ul::es a s t g n J f i c a n t-. p o r l: i o n o F l~ h e :i n c o rn to! f c r 'n . .-11 ' y of o ' 1 r s rn El 1. 1 b o d i.: f.i.shei"ITlE!!I'l. I arn opl::.i.rn::isLi.c that. l: h i. ~; ~; I: ' 1 cJ y t.v .i J. 1 p r' o lJ :i cl e u s t•.J:i. l: h a n increased awareness of th e p o 1·. r.:! n i . .i. c:l J. o r t·~ h · i. !> .imp o r· 1·:. '-'~ n t industry, and will be beneficia} i·.o Olli" f.i.sh(;!r'llten for· yc:!c:1r·s t:o coiTlC'!. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! Mr\. W. CAf<TEr\ : Ml" .

SpE!akel". Mr\ . SPEAI<U\: ThE! hon. thE! In(! rnb E• lr. r:- (l r· rt~.ri ll. in g c'l t n . MR. W. CArnER : M r· . ;:) p E~ i'l k E'! I" , t.•.J h :i. 1 E'' I IAJ t:! 1 c o 1 n E'! L h E! announcement that a study is going l:o tc:tk<:! pl.ac(=!, I cannot: sEty T dtrt l·~ o o j rn p r· e s s E· d IJ.J i t 1·1 s o rn e o F L h e •J t 1 i cl <~ 1 ..i. n :-:! !> ~;; c l.: u u t·. i n l:: h u rn .:i. n .i. s t e I" ' s s l:. c:~ t t=! n 1 e n L . 1=· o t" C!Xdi'Tipl.<:!, tl l:hE! ITili'lJ.Sl::E!I" l h .i. ~; y e c:"tt" ' ~=; al.most about No . tJ. 'I t.s tlnf"ol"i· :.undLe had l:.o t..1Jait Lha l:: u n l::oi .1.

J 0 b ~; i·. C! r• (" i. S h !:'! :~ y IAJa S to conclude before 1~253'7

taking some action to correct some of the problems within ~he lobster fishery which haue been evident now forth~ past number of years. I note:~ tJJith intc:!r'esl:, Mr. Sper.lkE:!r', l:.hat one of the pt"obJ ems thE~ Cornrn'.'i.tl:.el':! tAJilJ. acldrE'!SS .is Lhc~ onE! !·1 a iJ ~l n g t 0 d 0 L1J j_ l: h [·:. h E:• I" E! C e n t ch<:·1ngc'!S "i.n tho l.ln:l.1:Hd ~:)l.:c:-:tt:E!S regulations on the minimum size of lobste1n.

I t. i ~; i. rl'l:: e i" c~ ~' Li. n g , M r· . ~3 p e a kr-~ i" , t o note,~, as wc,,ll, tha l:: just four days c1 g o o n c o r::-l:: h C! r· n c on 11 n e n d i'l l.: t. o n s .i. n t:.I·1E:~ I"E~pot"t of t·:hE! HousE:~ Comn1ittE~e on Wdy~; dnd ME~an~;, oF l'.:he Uni'i.:c)d S t a Lt:~ s , a n d ·l: hE! S E~ n t: a t e Co mrn i tl: E! ~0! on Flnanc0 headed by Senator Bc:~ntsE~n, had to do lAJith the irnpor·t of lobster into the United States, and I have it here. One of the Finance Committee recommendations, Mr.

Speaker, was the:'\ t '.it: tAJouJ.d pr·o h:i. bit E:! n l::ry in t:o the United States customs terr·itory of any whole J.obstc:!r' or part of such J.obster that is not consistent with regulations set down Lobster Fisheries the by n C'.'IAJ the ManagE!rnen t Plan. This, by thE~ way, is a C 0 In ITI i t: t E~ C:! 0 f. W ;:q y S ;:,1 n d M C~ a n S h a lJ "L n g La do with Free l::rade. ~3o tl: sel:~ms to rnl:~, Ml". SpE~akc:•ln, l.: i'l i'l 1·:. 1.:. h e c o nn n i. l.: t e r:~ i'l p p o _i_ n L c• d 1. o cl r:·t y by UH:~ rn j n :1. ~d. E! I" t.~r:L 11 h a tJ lc! its h d 1'1 d S f' II J. "'_ , b (!

C d Ll ~; ::~ , 0 b

l) J 0 II~; J. 'J , c1 ') Fa!" a~; thE:~ Untl:.lc'd ~3t.atE!~; i~~ co n c o I" n c• cl , 1.: h c!'i. I" rrr.i. n cl :; r:1 i" n pI" c l'. 1 'J t.~Je1J madE:! up. I t.~Jr::!lcomc:• l..hc! dppo·i.nl..rnenl:, ;:.;p''~dkl'!l", of Ml". A:iclt"•n MalonE:!Y Chd-il"rrli:'ll'l oF l.:hdl.: CCII'IIn'i.LI--.ec!. MalonE:•y :i.~; a t;er··y t.~w1J-.. knoum h -L q h l y I" (! ~; p r:! c 1·: e cl MR. TOBIN: Tirne, Mr. Speaker? Ml". as ~~I" . and L253H Jurw 1, 19H8 Vol XI_ MR. W. CARTER: Who is the Speaker? fJtin. :.-3pc,~akc:!r', announcE~rnE!nt go.ing l:o be cornrni ttE~e. pel"~; on. Rgain I lAJelcorne the that Mr.

Maloney is t:he chaj_I"ITlan of t:hol.s He is a uery fine Ml~. ~-JPEAKEf~: Orclet", please! Ml~. W. CAFnER: Mr·. ~:)pei:lkC!I", T. r:onc1ucl"! by !;ay·inq that I express some regret that ~; 1.1 c h i'1 ~:; tnc.-d .. , buclg ;:! 1.: hd c; be:• 1:! n pl"ov:i.dE~ci, lAJh:ich, of coU-I"'Sl:~, l"ai~;:::!~:. i'l q \.1 (~ :; 1.: i. 0 rl C1 :; C 0 j l.l ~:; l.: 1··1 OIAJ S C r' j_ 0 Ll S ·thE! rnJnistE!r i~; in aclclt"E!Ss.i.ncJ the:;c-~ pi"obl.urns. MR. SPEAKER: OrdE!r, p1ease! The hon. 1nurnbH1"' s 1--.. :i.ITIE" has eldpsed. MR. FENWICK: Mr. Speaker. MR.

SPEAKEr~: ------·----·--The hon. l.:hQ tnE!rnbc:~r for ME!n·ihE!k. MR. FENWICK: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I arn plE!ased CjiiC:!S l.:'ion of lob~> l:ers. In C<:!Ol"ljC'' ()I'll:! l:.hE! lob~:;tE'!I" L: 0 d cl d I" E! s s l:. h E~ IAJ h u ] (:• t·.:hE~ Jrldl" k f'! l·:. 'i nq o 1· rn y h o rn E~ , 'i n C a p e S l.: . of L h n t..1.k1 y <:; :~1e k n OLcJ ~>f'!a::;on ha~; sl·.:ar·-Lc:•d .:L~:; l: o l J :; t C:! n L. o t h :::o bod t ~:; bay, because l.:haL lS de 1-::i,tJ:i t:y 1·.hni"C::!. ou l.: .i.n l.:he l: h e f ::i. r· ~:; I. AN l-ION. MEMBER: Co Mn 1\ ' Be 1'1o1ne . LONG: qui.et:, boy.

I cannot actually say I arn the J.ast forgotten fisherman of the E.U.ll of Cape St. GeotngE!, but No. 4'7 R2538

actuaJJy tht~ 8 i.1J. of CEt!J(~ fj ~~ hEH'man to last person on the ~:H : . C cor g e J s no t 1:1 :.taln·t IA.Jith I so maybE:~ U1 i~1 I 'i. ~; i'1 p pI' o p r· ·.i. t:1 lJ! . Mr. Speaker, with regard to the ~>ti'1\.:(:•lfiC!I'li: lAIC:~ IAJCl.COIIIe ()·i .dC:!I'l lli1 d 1 o 11 E! y , o u I" o 1 cl f I" i lo! n cl , b r:' :i n ~~ i. n ~J o J. t.J C::! cl ·oL n l h i. ~; p .:"tl" t i. c u1 "' I" ~; Ludy. OnE! of thE! points I 'l::h:i.nk shouJcl bE'! look(!d c'1l: is t:hE~ po:i.nt marked (

D) in the minister's s t.al:.e1nont: 'ThE~ rnc-1r·kc;!t. dc:~vc~!loprn':!n-L to d1:!CrE!ase dE!pendE!IlCE! (prE:~sently 90 %) on the United States rnalnkl~!tS. I N o t.•J , M r· . ~) p c:~ a k E! r , I t h 'i n k 'l:: h a l:'. i s i.n lint~ with rnost of thE! advanCE!d thinking ·in l:et"rns oF t·.hc;? ·Fishtng industry. ThE! free tr·adE! dE!al has ind·LcatE=!d th1.·1L we tAii:'tnt: to sPll a whole bunch more processed fish tq thu Unit ·:ecl ~)t:.i'1l:.e~;. In fact:., 'ch(!

Unitc;!cl Statl'?.S is a Vl"!ry poor 1n a r· k e 1... f o I" o u I" f i. s h , IAI h C:! 1.-. h e r· i. 1·:. ·L ~; unprocessed, processed, lobsters Oi" IAJi'Jdl:UtJCr i.t ~;hi:tl]. b1::!. ():,; l.:hC! Min:i.stc·H' of Fisher·ies (Ml". l~:i.d(~oul:.) knotAJS, tr~ you Jook a1: tho JdpanE:!SH rniH'i<et, t.~dt.h onJ.y 100 HLLI.lj.on peopl .e bu 1·. JAJ:i.l:h r:1 CCHJsumpt:i.on appr·oxirnatE:~ly b:Hl t.-i.mes the size:~ of t·.:he l.lnJI·.ed StatE!S, the mal"ket i.tself is p C:! J'"· h d p ~; r~ 0 l.i I" 0 I" f' ·j l.J (! 1'. i. I'll(:• ~; d ~; b i.

Lj and we have people who take sec'l 'l:-oocl a:; i:1 l'l<.'tl.:ulnc:<t.l i.ncii.ISI·:I"Y· I am hoping that Mr. Mc:<tloney's sLudy of' the i.ndusti"Y tAJJJ.l put us :in a pos-Ll:.'ion Lo r·,:!l:ir:!ve OUI"SC:'lves of l:his Lr::!r·r·i.bJ.E~ dE•pendE!ncy on t:hE! ArnE!J"..-ican 1Tic11"ket:., LAJh:i.ch c:tllot.•Js Fol" massive swings Jn the price and cl o e s no t CJ J. v e 1.1 s t: h e !< ..-i. n d o f I"PlUI"n IAJe sl··,oulcl have.

And, of c o u r· ~; u , s o 1 n c~! o f t h E! o L h u r· a ~; p f'! c l:: s , t.i·1c::! pound'inq anci :;'l':.OI":ing oF 1obsLc'!r·s, <:'ti"f'' VC"I"Y ·oi.lllpor·i ·.:i'lnt -i,F lAIC! a1"·c~! ~Jo:in~J l:o do a n1or·u Ol"cil"!I"1Y incH'kto'l . r: IAH'dcolne L.he ~:l.:Etl·:ernent. I J oo k f Ol"LAJarcl l:o s lo' Ed n~J Ml". L2539 Jill'lC! 1, 1.9BH Vol. XI . MalonE:~Y' s r·E:~port, sincE! I knmu, as r i.: h '.i. n k n v e r y bod y .i. n t. h .i s H o u s e does, that he is highly cinE!dib1e .i.n !:he i.ndusti"Y. SOME HON. MEMBERS : i I e cH' , h e a r· ! Ml\. ~3PI:'::'WER: 01"d~:!r, pJ.eaSE!!

It is now 2:301 Day, so tt J.s Questions. Private Member's l:: :i :n e f o r· 0 r· a 1 Oral Questions MR. WELLS : Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAI<ER : "J" h C! hon. l: h (;! l_()dd O l" of Lh<'! Oppos:i l:ton . MR. I!JELLS: M I" . ~::; p c r:~ k e r· , I h c't tJ C! d q u n s l:: .ion f o I" thE! hon. thE! Prl'?.TI'l:iE!r. Ish~:! i."ltAJcll"E! J·. h a 1-. l.: h e ::· i n c1 n c c Co ITIITI.i t. l.:r:! e o f L 1·11"! u .. s. SenatE:~ and 'Lhe li\Jays and 1\ilE!iHlS Coll'lrnJU:c:!C of' i:he U.~3. House of Representatives, have made a pr·opos."\J. to Congi"('SS l·:.hdt l:hey include in the U.S.

J.egislation ·i.i'llt:llc!II'IC!I'll..i.ng the ~;o caJ.l,:,cl F'l"t'l:! TraciE! Agl"l=!ei'IIE!Ilt, a pi"Ov::L~:;:lon l:haL IAJO Lll. cl r· e q 11 "i.l" C! t: h (~! IJ I" us .. i. d c~! n t-.: , .in I I f. ·1 . I . f. ·:. l E'! case o·- a p p. 1 c a ~. ::t. on o .. any r· t.l 1 e s b y C a n ad c:1 u I" i:'t n y p I" o v .i n c ~~ o r~ Canada to conLrol l':.he export of unpi"OCE!s:;t:•d fish or· ·ilnpo~;E!

J.and:oi.n<.:J r· c:• q u j, r· E! rn e n 'l: s o n f i s h , t o :.i. m p :r e rn e n L t·. h (;! p I" 0 V .i S :i 0 1'1 S 0 [~ C A I T l:: h a l:. lAJ 0 U J. d protect the United States wjthin l::h:il"l::y dc'lys? Mr~. ~3PEAKER: ThE! hon. l~.ht' f>r'E!rn:i~:!l" . PREMIER PFCI<FORD: Yes, Mr. Speaker. 1\Jo . 11.7 l~;.?f:)39

MR. WELLS: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKE 'R: A supple:~rTIE!ntary, the hon. thE! Leader of the Opposition. 1'-11~. WELLS: Will the Premier express to the H o u s c:~ h i s g o tJ (;! I" n rn (! n t: ' s tJ i 1::! 1-11 o f. l:'. h u impact l:ha·l: L.J..dJ.l have on ThE· Fish Inspect:.ion riel: c1ncl Rogulc:1l:ion~;. and the conduct of fisheries in !:hi:; Pro1ri.ncC:~. JF that: .i.s j.rnpJ.t:'mented? IVJI~. ~:>PFAKEI"~: The hon. l.:he Pi"Cin'i.cr' . PREMTf.i\ PECH·orw: Mr. Speaker, a very hypothetical q 1.1 ::~ ~; t. ·t o n . 0 n C:!

I·Jcl ppPns in thE! has to soe what UniLecl StatE!S and 1.1.1 i L h C a n a cl c'' . We have signed a Fi"l"e Trade cl(~·al. and IAIE:• Lhjnk it is d good deal For Cctnada ctncl for Newfoundland and we would hope the deal, as signed, w.i.ll be implemented, and that is what both Canada and all of the provinces who support the Free Trade deal IArill. be IJJor·!dng on. and thc'tl thE!J"e wilJ. not be any amendments or changes which are injurious to any part of Canada, including N e tAl F o u n ell H n cl . MR. WELLS : A r::Lnal ~:;upplE:•rllt'•nLC.-l.I"Y, r"'l'··.

SpE•akeJ". 1'-11~. :~1PEAKER: li F-i. n.''t1 s 1.1 pp l UITIC! ni:.;:·,_,., y. l.: he hen . l~. I· 1 c I (:! a d e J" o f l:. h e 0 p p o s j_ t "i. o n . MR. llllFLI..S : Th21nk yo11, Ml". ~)pr:!;:-\kC!i" . f·~r· . ~:3 p C::! ;.,, k C:! t. 1 .• 1Jn 1 ,-, cl t h (:! Pi" l:'IJI i. c· ,.. J.Jlcl :icaLr::! to 'Lhe Houst"! IAJhel~hE:!I" l::hl':!

CJOtJ::!i''l'llrlC'n'i". hcts done .:1n '''~;~:;:::·~:;smc·nl . or t.:hl:! pot1::•nt..i.aJ. ::i.1npacL of that on l.h(;! i.o1pp1"i.Ci:'il:.·"i.on Of":· 1·h0 Fish Insp(:~cUon AcL of this Province, L2 5tH) June 1, 1988 Vol XL and -the impact on thE! that arrangement is with the UnitE!d States poi~.JE•rs r'E!COtnrTIE!ndecl by c ornrni t tE!E! s? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. l:he:~ Pl"l"!lll-:.i.E:!r . PRFMIER PECKFORD: fishE!ry if impJ.ernE~ntE'd ·having ·thE! thE! S CO! hiJO YE!S. M1~. SpE!aker. IAJE! hatH!. It·~ IJ.k1S this gouernmenl wh:ich was insi·stent during the free trade nE:~fJOi:.i .c:d:'ions l.:o hi"\IJ{:!

U1c1 t clause included. So obviousl.y we were l:h8 p;ntrnai"Y OllC!::., [ gJIC!:;s, 1~1hu l.i.JE!l''E! ins Lrurnenta1 in SJE•t.l:.:in~J Lhat: p,··o·l·.r:!c1::ion t.h;'·1t·. '·''(' hc::td "'·11 a1ong. We have done various studies on ::LL. MR. WELLS: Mr . Speaker. MR . W. C~RTER: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: That was a final supplemenlary . [ recognize thE! hon. -the rnernber· for· TtAri ll.i. nga Le. MR. ~~. CARTER: My question goes to the· M:lnJ .stE•i" of FishE:H'ics . Yesterday thE! GovernmE!nt House L.ead(!r refused to Rgr·(:!<'! Lo .. ::t specidl clt;:!b,oiLC::! in th<:!

HousE• on the f\ose Tj_nq rish p]anl.. s:i.l·:uc:'ll.:.:i.on i.n ~3t. l_i:-:ti.•.Jr·unce. In J'ight of l:·.hat:, MJ". Speaker·. ctncl ·:i.r: J·i.ghL: or:~ l·hc! i.JrJflOJ"l".ancc cF t:.i'Ji'tL p 1 an l: L o thE! soc :i a 1 a r\ c1 e con om ::i. c IAI c• l.J. · b c .i. n y of ~; o m d n y p r:o o p l. e o n the South Coast, l ~onder would Lhe M:in.i .:; L(!I" of r:-i.~::hei".i .c·s '::Jt~J::! Lht:• House an update as Lo exacl.:ly 1.11 h C! r· ::· n u •::J o 1·. i d l.: .i. o n ~; s l· <:'1 n cl d l.: l:". h j "· poj_nL :in t:.irnE:! :in l".:f'!r·rn:.; of gel".:Li.nq Hid\: plo'll "l.l. l:li'tCk l:o 1~101''!<?

M n J\ . 31)EAI<EI~: ThE:! hon. thE'! r.~:i_nj.s 1-.:E:!I" of F:ishi:!J "j ~:!~) . MR. RIDEOUT: No. 47 r~ 2 540

l.. Mr. Speaker, first of aJl allow me to make a comment on the han. gentleman 1 s

preamble. My u n cl c r" s t. a n d 'i n 9 :.i. ~:; 1.·. h "' t ·1·. h o political ploy by the Opposition to get an cmcrgoncy debate y r:! st.~" I" day lAIC\ s :l. n fact. a ·f L (=!I" l: h l':~ O;r·cler"~; oF the Dc'1Y h< 'td b( =!C::!l'l Ci:111ecl. ~:3ecor1dly, lAIC::! hacl ~JOI'lC::' l.:hruugh i'l F1.il..L l·:.hi.i~l·.y rn.i.nt .Jl::(:• question period during which I was present yesterday and I do not be 1 i r:~ v c"~ t h fi:~ I" E:~ IAia s f.l n y quE! s t ion asked, although there certainly was an opportunity. MR. MATTHEWS: Not one. MR. LONG : We asked one. MR.

RIDEOUT: Except for the other oppositiori party in the Legislature, there was no question asked on fisheries. Mr'. SpeakE!r, hi :w::iny ~>e~.i.d Uv1t, lr :!L ITIE! say to the hon. gentleman and t.o t:he IIOUSE! tha+: Lhe:~ Ci:lbJnet committee dealing with this pi'lr't.ictll~.-tl" rnc1t.t.E!r of· l··.hc! pl.<:lnt:~; Jn S t . L. i:WJ I" E! n c e , L aiAJI'l , I~ o s E! B 1 an c h r:~ <'l.ncl Pol"l·. i"'IJX Ba~>CjiiC:>, h<.'tve bc:!C"!rl vei"Y rnuch on top of thE! situation t:: n "' d c:1 i. J. y b c::t :; j_ ::; o v c I" L: h c• l <:1 ~; t. nunrbo1" of days. Since"!

MI"S 'lin~J h r:t s :i. n d j, c ''' L r::! c:l p u b l ·i. c 1 y n o IAI l.: o gO\JE•t·nrnE=•nl:: t.hal.: shu inl:.r:!nds to ::; n ]_ 'l <"~ ·1 J of h c I" p l <'1 n l: s , lAI e h i:liJ C! had COnllTILIIT.ica ·U.ons w:i .t: h hE•I". IAJ(;! hdt.JC;! Jnv:i.L:r:!d he1" l:o meet IJ.J"i.t:h l:he Cabin~:!t comrnttl:E!to! as r:!alnJy as possible'!, OIJ~:!r' l:.hE=! next di:'ty or' so. If shE! can arTangE! hE!r sch(:•dul.e t.o clo so J.!Jf:! cEJn c~=!J"t.ainly dl"l"Cil'l~JE! OU!ns.

IAJ(:! lAJan t.: to dl"l"·ive a l: a b o l.: l.: o rn 1 j_ n ~~ f o I" l·: h c s a l e u F i'tll her assets, incJudj .ng the pl.ant l.:hat was mentioned in Lhe CjLIE!S l:oion ri"Onl th~C• hon. ~jentlE:•rnan, and tl.Je I;.J.il.l move :' d$ qui.ckl.y dS I>~Je can in co-opE! ration woi l:h hE!r'. ShE! 1.254 -l. Jlil'lC! l, l9HB Vol XI.. is thE! legal ownE!r of those fr.tcj.J. ·i.tic~s~ lJ.JE! ar'C:! not:. WE! do not: hav~:! any guaJ"antee, any mortgcl~J'E!, or C'tny l.egc:1l Inoan!; i:'l1Jf.·1 -Llablr:' t·:o us t:ha t would br:.L ng l:. host::> fa coil :i t::i E' s ·i.nto Olli" po~:;c!~;s:i.on <'11: i·:ho rnomenl:.

W(~ lAiiJJ. HIOVE', lAiith L>.JhatE!U(;!J" ha~> I':\~! ls aua·ilablc to us Etnd is llE!CE!SSdi"Y, to l:l"Y l:o f:ind :lnl:r:•r·::Ln1 0 p C! r· c:-1 ·L 0 I"~;; "':; q II [. C k J. y r'l ::; lAJ I'! C i~l 1'1 . Having said Lhat, Ml". SpNlkE•l", tAle i:l i" e n o t a b o 1.1 t t o d c;• l i b c;! r' i:'l. L: E! 1 y hoodwink any of the individuals depE=!I'ld(:!nl: on opc~r'.:lt.:i.ons .i.n thosE! communities that it: tAJ:l.ll bE! E!asy, but. 1.11e j_nt.encl Lo u~:;t! eu(:!I"Y rneans availablE! to us to ensui"E! thi.'lt :i.f·. happE!I'lS c:1s quickly as humanly possiblE!. MR. W.

CARTER: A s u p p 1. ~=! rrw n t a r' y , r11" . S p C"! a k E! r . MR. SPEAKER: A suppl.r~rnentar'y, Ll1e member for Twillingate. Ml~. ~~. CAIHEH: hon. !:he Mr. SpeakE!r I I tAJill not comrnE•nt on t:hr~ 1n·i.ni .stc:!l" 1 S p!"C~arnbJ.e t:·.o hts answer, bC::1cause i{: is not:: Ll.JOI"t:hy ol::- c;o,nrnEHll: l:o 8.1 ·:L:r .i.buLc:! po1~i.t:i cc :'ll motives on this sidE! fol" lc!nquii":ing J n t: o fl rrw 1·.: ·l: E:! I" t h i:l !.: .i. s s o 'i. rn p o r t·: d n L: to such a largE! nurnbeJ" of peopJ.r:! .

Ml". ~)pl':'akE:!I" I rny qt.J<:!S l:::i.on to th(• lfl.i .J•J'i.:; 1-.C!I ": c··i.ven thl~ fr'I C L, r·1r'. ~3 peak e t" , t: h a L the n r::• ~1 o t :.i. at ·ion~:; , t. ,:; IAJh:i ch he=! r·r:!fr'!I "J"t!cl, t;..l.i ·11 undoubtedly take a Jong time Lo con c l u cl C! , h c'l :; the 11d n i s L e r' q i ~~en t h o u g h t l: o m a y b e 1 <:! a s t n ~J t:. 1·1 a l':. plant.: and arranglng with an opE!rator to move in thE!J"e j_rnrnE!d.i.aL:c,,ly Lo q(=•l:. the plant. opE!I"ating t:o Pl"ovJ.cle jobs and to buy l':he f:ish fr'otn t:hc:! 1-~-i.~:;heJ"rJien? Ml~. SPEAKER: The hon. t:he Minister of Fisherjes . MR.

RIDEOUT: No. 1.1.7 r~2~i4J.

i'-1r'. ~-:;p~~aker·, ftrst of alJ., thE! hon . gentlernr'ln knot..us, dnd the! reco1"d will shpw , that despite the rnar H':! UV<,H'S of th e:! Oppo sitio n YE!StE!r'day thE!J"e WE!rE!, in fact, no qu<,~stions on t:h'is :important: r11i":ttter· in this LegisJ.ature during Quest'ion Period ye st erday. Now, ]t:!t . that bE:! E:!~;t.abJ:i.shE=!d fjt"st, Ml" . Spea:<er. MR. MATTHEWS: Except for the NDP . Mr~. IUDEOUT: Yes, by the other opposition p i'l I" l.: y . I k Co! C p F o I" g C! l:. l.: :i n.g 1·. h r'l 'l: thE'!Y ai"E=! hE!l"E!, Ml". Spt:!akc~!l", 'LhE!Y dl"c~ :;o ~>1n<:·1l.l c'tncl so ins jgn:if'.icant.

Th<,' Soc:ialist h o r· cl e :; Cll" C:! cl :i. ~; a p p e ''' I" i. n g F r· o rn 1.: h e face of thE~ NE!lAJfoundJ.and landscapE! . M I< . ~j P F A I< r I~ : Ol"d(;!r·, plecl~;c!! Ml~. RIDEOUT: -~- - --·----··-·-- Mt". Spt'ai<E:!r', SE!Conclly ··· let rnE! gE!t to t:h<,~ hon. gE:!ntlernc:-~n 1 s quc-:!s't.:"i.on t;.Jr:~ a I" E! p 1" E! par· E! d 1: o d J s c us s any and a1l all:E!rnt:'lt.ives lAJ.il:.h Mr·s .. l.ing.

In fact, tAlE! haue had discussions with her already on the uery basis that the han . gentleman has rn E! n t. i o n e d . ltJ E! a I" e p r· E! p a r f:! d L o explore with her, in an expedil.:'ious manner, that alter·nat:i.VE!, othE:~r aJ. U'l"nat·:LvE'S, ur' t~Jhc·l.l':.evt:!l" 111··Lqhl:: be oul: t.hnr'C' as aJ.l~.E:!r'nat.tve~:;, IAJ·iLh a v'iet,u to arriu"i.ng at an accommodat~on ds ~;oon as it ·is hurnc ~r11y possibJE' to dr'r'iVl: ~ i'\L: SIICh acCO irllTIUdc:tl.:i. c n, Mi n. SpE:!cd<E!I". r1 ~~ . w . c n rnT r~ : ·n fj rli'l .l supp1':"rnE:!nl:.at"Y, Ml".

Sp!==!akel ". r'IF~ . ~:; P :~: n i< r:: r< : II foina] ~:;upplernenl:.at"y, the hon. l'.: h (! ITI U IT1 b C' l" f:- C !'' 1 .. 1.\1 i. J ·1 .in g f'l i_ (o! . Ml~. ~~J . CAI\TFR : L2 54 -2 JunE! 1, 1988 Vol XL Mr·. Speaker, tht:~ minister 1 s anst;.JE!I" lAJouJ.d ind icC~t E! , r.1nd cler:'lrly s hot,us t..uho is p1aying po1i U.cs wi ·th thj s question. He SC::'!': 'ITI S l::o be'! mot"e conCE!rned about MR. SPEAKER: CkciE!r, plea:; Eo! I Ml~. W. CAIHER: Ml". SpE!aker, ·it j s ab ~;o1 u h:< .l.y sharnE!ful l:hat l., ~\00 people in thi~; Prov-ince whos e livelj hood j s bEd ng l::hr·<,~ct l.:e ned MR.

SPEAKER: Ol"del", pl(: !a so ! Ml~. W. CAIHEI~: Mr. Speaker, the minister l::a1ks r:lbOtl L hr'llJ'i.n•J rwgot .. i.at:i.on :; lo~J .. l. Lh Mr·s. T:i.ng. My question: If th!':'Y'f:• i':: i:tn ttnt.\J:i .Jl·i.lVJI'lC:!~;:; nn her· P•"tr·t . t·.o enler inlo a lease now at this poi.nl.. .. in l: . .itnc, t;,J"l .li. Uw rrd .n.i.st:•:•: " enl:erta:i.n the proposition that JT1c1ybe i:·tn uxpi"Ofll"ic:lt:i.nn for· u~;n be entered into? In other words, expl"Opr·ial.:e l:'.ho p1i'lnt for' usE~ on an in·l:E!rirn basis and thE!I1 to negotidte its purchase later on. MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Fi she rjes.

MR. r"11" . say RIDEOUT : Speaker, that the f:iJ"S l.: pr'oof oF of dll l.he 1 l::! l: !1'1 (! puddj nt:J -L s 'Ln l:ht:• to!i'tl·: .:i nq. Ti·1e iJ(::!I··y 1=-;,lc L· t h a t t h e 0 p p o ~; i t i o n h a u t=' t: l" i e d o 1·1 1··. h 1A E'' c:• o c c a ~; i o n ~; l':. o d i:'l y l:: o c o v t'! I" 1.1 p t:hE!ir polit:iCf:lJ. incornpE!lE:!I'1C:e of" yr:·~;t·:E·r·ddy goes i·o pooint: Ultl: lJ..Jh <:'tl: I a111 talking about, Ml".

SpE·aker· . ~30MF 1·101\J. r~L:Mn E 1\:3 : ·1·1 ('!cl)" 1 hE:! ell"! r"ll\, I~TI -JEOUT : N o IAJ , ~~ I" . ~3 p E=! a k e I" , 1 h c:t v e ~:; a oi. d C 1 C! d I" 'l y i. n l.. h ·i ~:; !·I 0 I I~; C , [ h d !J 1! ~; d i. ti . "l ' .. ] '[ clear·. y Lo reprE!~;;C~!nLa'l::ltJes of a .... l.he Fotti" ·i ... o!J,Jn!; int;o.lt.JE'!d, nuL ju ~;t.: No. ll7 R2~l4 -2

St. LaL•Jr'E!I'lCE:~ Cilnd LdtAJI'l, be:1cc.wsE:1 yesterday I had a ITIE!eti.ng tAJith a gr·oup fr·om Porl.: i:1ux Bi.'ISCjl.lt!S ''1ncl Rose Blanc-he as t..urc.<ll, that WE! wtlJ. (~ X p l 0 I"<:! e X p e d i. i.: "i. 0 l.l S J. ') 1'1 \) C.:! I" y 0 p t .:i. 0 11 open to us. EvE=!l"Y opt:ion 111~:!ans E! v C:.! In y o p L -Lon , no !: J 1 1st one or (IJJO , Ml". ;:)pE~a ktc1r·. ~30MF IWi\1. I\1EMBI:. f~~) : IIE~al", hE~cll"! MR. EFFOI~D: Ml". SpE:1ai<E~l". 1"1 R . ~3 P E A I< E f~ : T h <:1 h o n . t h t:! rn em bE! r· f u r· Po r· t cl e Ci"aVE!. MR. EFFORD: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

P.1r . ~)pedkel", rny qt.lt;!st:-:i.on .is ~~ () the r"li ni ~; t~.e I" of Social SE=!rvi.CE!S (Ml" Tob~in). It :is .ironic thc;tl:: l:hP ITI'i ni S l:C:'(' had a S l~atE:1mE!I'lt today on child car· r:! .in this P!novinCE! . i.n J.igh+: of t.uhat t.ook plaCE! in thE! House of Commons yesterday IAlh 1'.! n And I day care t..r.Jas put on hold.

IAJO ul. d l i. k E! t. o i'l ~; k L h c:! rn .i. n ·i. ~; i·: e r· , -L n respect to the statement he br·ought "Ln and the s ·i::i:'ltrHrtr:Hll: .i.n The Evening Telegram today concern i.ng cl<'tY Ci'li"e bwi .ny pll'i: on 11 o J cl , c 6\ n l.: h e rn j_ n -.:1. s t E:! l" t t:' 11 u s :i f he hd~; ull"edcly, t:'t~=; h1~ .. i.nd ·i.Ci'1LC!d ·1 I I I I -l <;(:!V~'!l"a .. IAWE:'<S i'l.~JO, 'ldC i'l. Cf:!a ... ;;;·i gt,r::·cl Fo1··· l:.hu PI' 'OlJ:i nee, l)J"' ·i.~; NetAJfounciJ C\iic/ S l..::i.J.J :in I: hE ! SCIITIE' pu~;"i.t.:.i.un iL IAJd~; ~;elJei"·<:-t.l rnont- .h:; dyo 01'1 c/dy CcU"E!? Ml~.

SPFAI<FR: The hun . l~h~:! 1'-~:-i.n:i. ste l" oF Soct.::1l. ~)E~l"V'iCE~S , Ml~. TOBIN: r"l r· . ~~; p e a !< e I" , L h e h o n . rn e 111 b H 1" ~=; a .l. cl that we indicated several we e ks ago t.hi:\1·. t..r.JE! h<:tcl :in pJ.ace in th:i.s Province an agreement with the ·F E'! cf e r a l g o v <"! r n rn E=! n l~ a s .i. 1: r· e 1. a l~. C'! s L.2543 Junc:1 1, 19H8 VoJ. XL t-. o d d y c i'l. r C:! . T h a t h i'l. !:; rw lJ E=! r b EO! ''! n said. We did say that we were nogotial.:ing a National· Ddy Ca~e Strategy Programme with the r:·c~clt:!l"r'll gOlJE~t"nrnenl.:, Ml".

Speakf:!f', an cl IAJe a r· 101 still at l:. hat . L"1! E! a r· r:! (; l: .i.1 J p d I" 1: 0 F 1-he 1'1 0 g 0 t . .i d t i. 0 n ~; 0 n the National Day Care Strategy I.J,) .i. l. h +· h (' r~ C! cl (! '(' ;7 l J g () l) :0! l'' j'Hf\1::• n I: <:'t ~; ·:.L L: I" r:! 1 t:'l l: e s to d c:1 y c a r· e . The hon. gentlE!rrlcHl asked, Ml". ~:3 p E! a·k e i" , :.i. s e lJ c~ r· y U·J'i . n g L he s a tn e in the Province as it used to be. 1\J o , M i" . ~) p e t:·\ k e i" . E 1 n p ·1. o y rn e n t h a s inCI"E!clSCc!d by 2.8 pE=!i" CE:~nt., f'OI" a gi:·\"i.n oF 10,000 jobs on a monl.h1y auerdge base.

UnempJoyment has dr·opped 1.4 pE!r' cPnt in 198'7, ~~r. Sp~:!aker - MR. SPEAI<ER: Order, please! MF~. TOBIN : - the largest drop of any province i. n C c1 n t-1 d a . T h :i. n g s h a 11 E! c h C:t n g t~' d . 30ME HON. MEf_,B E f~S : Hear, hE!ar! MR. EFFOI~D: () !;upplement·.ary, Mi". ~:)p(!C.qkE!r. ~1R. ~3PFAKF.R: A ~=; u p p 1 e rn e n l:: a I" y , L l1 e h o n . l-.: !·1 r-,• rnernbei" r~ot" f'Oi "'l. clu Ci"i:\IJC . Ml(. EFFOf~D: In J. ·i ~1 h t oF l~ h t:! fact. L ha-L IAJE' h due ~;o,rw '1,!),000 chi.ldr·nn 'i.n L:hi ~:. Province sli1J. awa:-iting day care - IAJ\'~ r:'t i" :::! i·. I'J (' lAJO i" ~;; l:.

I) f. f::- C r d l'l lj province in Canada. Can the ITI.i.n'i.s'cer l:C:'J.T US l.l.JhE!I'l dl'l d<.:Jl"E:!E:!ITIC:!nt will be signed? Lhe Federal qolJE=!r'nlnro!nl-: . h<.·\\JC'! not;. J don:=:• Et complete reassessment oF Lhe day Cdi"C'! and l·:.hHy clo nol: Hvc:·n knot,.J t..u h cl t l~. i me t: h c,, a SJ I" E· e mE:· n r_ s IAJ i ] 1 b ,,. s -L ~:J n E:! d \;.ri L h l: h !'! P r· o 'I .i n c I:! ? D u u ~; the rnjnistE!I" knOIAJ SOITIE:!thing l·:hal· . hu .i.s nol~. t.ul.l:ing? Is he No. 4-7 R2 54-3

('!XpE!C'lJng lO short while? sign IAI:ithi.n tht:! l'lE!XI·. MR. TOBIN: Mr'. SpeakE!r. Mr~. SPEAKEr~: ThE! hon. the Minister of Social ~)<::!t"vices. MR. TOBIN: Mr. Speaker', in rE!ferE!nce t.o what the h on . g c:! n t l EHrtC:-Hl .is saying as it. relates ·to day cat"E!, this ProvinCE! has bE!E!n r,~xpE~r'-i.E!nc-i.ng much gr'OtAit.h, MJ". SpE!akE!r. lh~~ht. now thE!re ar'e . ]' d f- 'l'l' n1nety .1cenc0 ·ac~. l:IGS across l:h(~ PJ"ovincE! Fot" cl l:otal of 2,251 c h .i.l. d c c:t I" e s pace s . M 1" . S p u cl k C:! r , that is ver'y sJgnif:icant.

That is i'1 netAJ pt"ogr'dtniTIC:! that IAk\S br'OIIghl-: in under the Peckford Acl11l"i .nts L:rr-1 ·L:.i.on. ~30r"1F :·Jo~.J. r"'EMI11 ·:. r~~5 : H E! iH' ' h ~:! i:H' ! MR. ·roiHN: Thc:1l .i.s t:i'w l:ypE! of gJ"OtAJUl i:<tncl prosperity that we have seen in lh.is Province sinc8 the Peckford Administration Look potAJE!l", and we lAJ.i.ll continue lo grotAJ and E!Xpand. And I can further say to the hon. g E! nt.lerna n, Ml". Spec\!«~ r, that rny co1ll:!agUE!, -!...hE! Govel"nnl<:!nl-:. HouSE!

I_E!i'lcler r:lnd l::he Mi.n:i~;t.er' I"C;!spons:lblE! fol" the Status of WOITien, t;,l·ill be=' rneE!I·:.oi.ng next.: wer;!k with his federal counterpart and clay c a I" e IAJ .l. 11 b <~' d j s c u s s <'! d . MR . FFFOIW : A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. ~3PErli<EI~: A 1· 7 .. i.ni:'tl Stlpp-tetnc:!nl·.i"lr'l), ·l .. hr:! hun . I l·t<:! Jnembr-t" for Por'L de Gl"av<:•. ~~ I~ . F F F 0 IW : r l. c:tsk ~::;, ,!I" v ·.i. c e '' ~3podkel", I. 2 ~::,4.4. I :. !·1 c:~ r"'.-i n i.~ :; l.c•i" l)i~ ver·y cJeal"ly, ~)OC.i.i)J. 1'-11" . iiI" t=! I. h o trri.JTi. s 1.: e i" and Lht:!

June 1, 1988 Vol XL red e I" a J. go tJ ern men t l:. akin g L he s c11Tl E· attitude towards the working p e o p J. r~ o f Uri. s P r o tJ i. n c e · cl s d .i d · t h E! former Minister of Social Services (r"lr. IJi"!:'!Ll:) whE=!n hr~ said 1:-.hat-: c1ll tAJornen . shouJ.d stay at hornE!? Is thi:·lt: l·.:hc~~ r'e<:-lson IAJ('! ha~Je not gol: 1:-.1n agreement signed? SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. SPEAKER: The hon . the Minister of Social Services. Mf~. TOBIN: Mr.

Speaker, let me say to the h o n . g e n t l I::! rn c:'t n l: h <:l 1.: 1·:. h -L s .i s a governrnen·l: l~.hat has si ·1oto~1n l::1"emE~nr:lo11~; pt'··ogi"r:!:;~; i'l.:; .il:. r'C:=!}i'ti:.es to the status of IAJOmPn ·.1.1 ·1 t:hJ~; J'>i"OtFi.nce. l.h i.s ·i.s I: he gotJC::!I"'nlnen l:, J\1 ,.... . S p e a k E! J" , t h a t h a s i rn pI" o v t;! d L h H s: i.i:lli:<tl..:.i.on ·in t:h ·i.~:; Pr·otJ:inCt:!. i'hi .·; . ll l I -1 .

I lS a govt,!l''nrnent :: .. ta ··: :)e .. ·lc::-VC::!S l::"idl_ dny Ci'll"C~, r"'i", ~)pedkf'!l", is i:~n essential part of socJ.al pl"09l"arnrnes :in l:h..i.s Pr'OlJ-.i.nce, i~ncl i:'t gove1"nment l:hat has Jn·.it~iatE!d ancl br'OIIght into tht~; PJ"OV i.nce rnaj 01~ social programmes. We are on the right track, Mr. Spc::~ak(:~i", c1nd as iL r'eli:'ll:C::! S Lo t:ht"! sLati':!TTJenl:~~ by thu hon. ~Jr:•nl .. ]i =:•mc:-.tll, h C! i.

S L h t' ~; d JTl H ITI d 1'1 1..11 i 1 0 S t 0 0 d :in this HousE• th<:! otilPI" cldy and sa:i.d 1:·. h C:'l 1·: s o c ·.i d 1. 1..11 o I" k c=• r' s d 1-.: l.: lc! n cl -:i. n 'J c o n f e r' e n c E! s s h o u 1 d h d 1,1 <:• t. o <:! i"1 \ .. l<l"i~lf:-L D.innei"S IAJhr:•n t:.he I"E!SL oF Lh:::• pl~ofE!Ssions :in this Pr'ovince:! c1:1n go 011L ;:,1nd hi '1Ve J.•.Jha'\:.(•U t!l" Lhey like. But he want:s to dotAmp1ay 1: he s j_ g n i. f ·i. c ·"~ n c <"' o r:- t. h t"! D ("' p i',ll" L rn (! n L of So ci a 1 S E! r' v :i c <'! s a n cl !~. r t:! a t. U1 E!

I;,Jho-l.e :;I·Jc!bi 'lng, Mr·. ::ipPak t:•l", PI"OfE•ss:i.onaJ ~;oc:i.al J.~JOI''k"!I"S ctnc! e t; e i" y o n n n J ~; r" , .1. i. !< c· d .. i. I'·· t.: ;:'1 n d Ll"ash, sotne!: :h::i.n~J l".Lke l..h,:! l...t::•acl~:·l" o i~ L: h u 0 p p o ~:; "i. I·. i. u n , f"1 I"' . ~-:) p ''! <'-'l k 1:• I" , 'LI"iE!cl t.O do to the Chetr'acl ·:E!I" of:· l·:.he n1e1nbC!i" fo1 " ~)l · .. John'c~ ~3 otll-:.h. No. 47 R254.ll

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. SPEAKER: fhG han. the member for Menihek . Ml~. FENWICK : Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker . My quc;!st:iorl :is fot" thE~ nE!IAJ r"l·i . n :1. s t c:! ,~ I< e s p o n ~; ·-L b J e F o t" i · h 0 S·ta-tus of Women (Mr·. S::i.mrns). Y e s ·l: e i" cl i:~ y {~ 1.1 e n J n 9 1.: h e l 6 1.: h ~ n n 1.1 t.'\ 1 Meeting of PlannE!d Pc;tt"E:~nthood "in thls Prou·ince was held.

Tn the f:ine report they produced they :i. n cl i. c r:·l i: t:! d l: h c1 -1.: L h ~~ y h d 1.1 r:! d C:! c::t J. 1: t.~d th ou~~~~ 5, 600 women a+: thetr cl.i.n.ic, in tcl'·ms of pi"E!911r.H1CY tests, hau::i.ng women seen by d o c t o r· s L h ~~ r· C:! , d. n d c o u n s e l ·i. n g . My qtH•s l:.·.ion lo thE:! ITd.n.i.s L<;!r· ""l.~; this: What is the gouernment 1 s aLtitude towar·cls plannE!d parenthood, and what kind of suppo1r·t .i.s it: t~oJ.illing to pul:: :in place in order to support this organization? MR. SPEAKEf\: The hon. Lhe President of the Counc.:i.J.. MR.

S r:r"lii-1S : Obu.:i.ou ~; J.y, Ml". ~3pPakur·, tl ·1al. : q u t~ ~; l: -i, o n tAJ o 1.1 l d I'' e q 1 1 i. i" " .:1 1.1 e r· y 1L=!ng l:.hy i.HISLvE!l" I c'.ls LIIE! hon . mL=!rnbE•l" :;h011]ci b::• i'liAJi'l(' C. i11 1l: ]C ![ illC !38 Y rh.is, ha~JinsJ only bt:~en t:he 1 n i. n .. i. s : c· ,.. r::- o r· c:1 l:.IAJ o IAJ (:~ o k p e I" -.-i. o d , T gUE! SS 1 1'101AJ _ .. lc;!SS than l:l.~JO L~JC::'E!kS; ll'ly l.:I AJO !JJO c::• k an n-i 1.1 e i" s d i" y 'AI i J.l be t orno r-·1·· otAJ .

I h c:w c;~, i n 1cc~ss thctn hdl.F, lr!HHL l:·.hc::! sl·:t:'!Ff Polic.i.L~'~' Officr:~~ cl11 a lAJeek and a of l:hu iJ,JollH:~n of LhL~~ITl. We hc1ue d.i .s cu ssc•d ;:-1 o n c;• o f L\J h :i c h i ~; lrlE'!rnbr::!r' r·efc: :!r's l:o. number of issues, Lhc:! one l~.he;:~ hon. More recently, just a couple of L2545 June 1, 1988 Vol XL day s ago , I had a nH :!

B t :i n g IAJ:i. t h t h e President of the Provincial Aclu.i.sory Counci.l on l::hr:~ Status- of WornEH1 1 along udth cl numbel~ of o t h e l" rn ~::' rn b C! r· s of ~~ h e c o u n c :.L 1 , a n J this issUE!, among othE!r'S 1 l.4.klS dtldr·ossc!cl. 1 c; :•tn on]y ::;(:·1Y Lo l::h::• han. member that we wiJl l as a g o

t) c:! i" n rn n n ·t·. , c o n i.: . i. n1 1 :.:• 1.·. o 1::;: :! d ·::; agqr'c;!ss·.iuE~ :in ciE :!a1tnq th::i.~; p a i" L: ·i. c 111 1:1 ,.. ·.i. s ~; '' e i.'l s I;.Je i'F't v u I:H '~ H n :in dE!aling with many, many cd_h c:'r ' :i.S!)IIl~!S oF i.lrJpOi"l:.i'li'1C f:! i·o \AJOI"flen, such major social policy ·i.n .i.l :i.al: ·itJC! !) d~ > l!Cil.ldl p i:·lY fOl" WOI"k of E:!quaJ. valUE!, uJhich Lva~; bi~ouqht.

Jn by ·l:h ·i.~; gou(:!i"nrnent; r:-1s Ll·1e pen sion plan for part-time worker s br·oughL i.n by -L:hi.~ ; goue1 "nmenl., such as the est:c:1blishrnr::!nt of Uw Wornt~n 1 s PoJ-Lcy OfFi.c~ :! bi"oughl··. ·.in by th.i.s goVE!rnmE!ntl such as the estabJ..i.shrnHnL of Lhe Prouinc.i.al Acluisol"Y Counc:i.J. on thE! St :at.u~: or· Women bi"ougllL i n by l:.i1i s gov~:!rllrllE!I'li:. So WE! IAJ::i 11 con Lint .!(' 1'".0 IAJO l" !< ·.i 1'1 i~\ po S ~L t :.i. U E! lAJi:l y t.O rE!Spond to issuE!S that affect t~oJOmen, Mr. Spedkc;!r.

I arn quil:E! prepal"eci and ulilling to loi.st.E•n to any r·epl"~ '!~;enl:dl : . .i.on!> Fl·'oln dnybody, includ.i.ng thE! repl"e SE!ntat :Lon, 1 IAJOI!ld SU!>pect:, jusl: 1naclc:~ by L:hto! member for Menihek. MR. FENWICI< : () ~; I I p pl.: .:! 1'11 e 1'1 1: i"'ll" y , r"1 i'' . ~;) p E'! i·:t k C! I" . i\~1~ . SPEni<EI~: A ~;upp1E:•rnr::•n-L.c:'ll"Y, t .. he hon. l..ht:: ! lllf!illbr:~," reo, .. IVI::•n: i.he!( . Mf~. FEI\IvHCI< : ~1 y s u p p ] e l'Tl E! n t: a l" y I M i" .

S p c:- a k e I" , J. ::; i·: h :i !; : 3 j_ n c co i" C:'! c u n L :; l:. u d i. l'! ~:; h i'\ u 1=! shoL,Jn Lhat : ter::!nagE~ PI"E~sJnanc ·ies .:i.~ ~ one of::- t:h:~ lrJi:'ljt)l" . i"Ui:-1 1>ons 1::-or' l.AJornr::•n dr'opp·.:Lng out oF schoo1, and s:incc· Pt " inc ~'! Ed!AJdl "d f:;l_. :.-tnd and ~3dskar:chE!L\Jcln a1· 't::! thE! onJ.y ol· .. her· two prov inces in Cdnacla besides ourSE!J.ues that do noL pl"Ov :idE• cll.r·ecl:: ·fund:ing L.o Plann t=!cl No. 47 R2S4 .£)

P~J"~~nthood, IAJOI .J1d the rn:i.n.i.s :·.:E!Y' J"::i.Sc-:! in his place and commit his g o lJ e t" J'Hn e n t t o p r· o lJ i. d -.i. n 9 d t J" c~ c L fin<-JIIcial -suppot"-l to th€:' PlannE!d Pc:tl"t:'ni~hood pC!Ople lAJho up to +.:hJ.s po:i.nt hc~ve be(!ll opel"at-.ing totally on volunt.eC:!i" subscJ"i.p+: Lons? Ml~. ~3PLAi<t::r~: Tho hon . the~! President of the Council. . Mf~. SIMMS: Mr. SpeakE!r, ·UH~ hon. mE!rrtber now is E:!ntr:~ring :i.nto an ai"E!Cl of gr·r:1at sensitivity, a much broader qqE:!S"t.ton i7.han hc! has pul:. :i.n his Few words here today.

The goVE!rnme1·1l: ha~ ; ma1J(~ -LL~> pos:i.-t:.i.on clE:'al" and madE:' its position knotAJn on tho br·oacler· issue~. lAJh:ich ·i.s l:he o n E• h E:! i s t~ r y i n g t o g E! t a t , I a rn c C:! I" L·. 1.-\ ·i. n ' r lAJO II l d () n J. y s u q g (~ s i:. t 0 'L.h!c' hon. rnE:!rni:H:!J" Lo take t:hE! L:i.rnE:! 1-o l"ei'ld ·t:he ~:;· l-_c:·1 ·i-ulfl( -:!nl. j:;::;IInt:l by the M:inister of Health with Ol.li" ()

t) C~l"c-tl.J h t:! I.~J:i 11 posi!.: :i.o n clE:1ai"J.y !'E!Spocl: l:o i'tllcl then IInclel"~' I-.:E1nd fl"orn. IAJ h e r e lAJ e F.ll" C! corrri.ng MR . FENWICK: A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Mi~. SPFAI<U~: A FinaJ supplemenl:ary, thE! tnetntHc!r' For' M(>.ni.i·ltcd<. thE:• hon. 1'-1 R . F [ NW I C I< : I apolog:LH! j_f l~h:is sounds a bit r'E!pl-:!t i.tj_ve, but·. tn thE! ansL•JE:!t" L h E! r t=! I a rn n o 1: q u :L t E! s u r E! LV h e t h E! r L h (C• 1 n l. n .L s l: 1:· r' rn e a n t. l.: h a t: y o u a r· o C 0 n S -.idE!

I" i 1'1 g :L t art cJ y 0 U IAJ-.:i.Jl 9 :i V E! t.hE~ 1noney to .i.t: l.al·.:r:!J" on, ot" whether it is no. f•11~. ~;p:::AI<Lf~ : Ot"d(c!l'-·. p1uasf:!! Ml~. FFNI!HCI<: Co u J d :: h r-\ rn :i. n .i. s l (! i" i:J. I' I S IAHH ' t h Co!ln e ? L 2 r-) '1-6 Jlll'H:~ 1, 1.9138 cldt"ii"y DOE!S h:·i . ~; th::i. s

I) o 1. X I. gotJE!r ··nrnen L ·i.nhHldJ.ng l~o suppor· t i:Hl organization which helped over !) , ()00 I,\IOnten la~; l:. yec.H' i.n ill'l i"'I"Ci:t that is clc~!arly a chronic p1"ob1em r:~ I"() d ·i n o '' r· P J" o lJ ·.inc e? Ml~. :3PEAI<ER: ThE! hon. the p ;n (! s j_ cl t'! n t: of !:he Counc"i.l.. MF~. SIMMS : Mr. SpeakE!r, I cannot r.:hl:1 hon. ITIE'!IrlbE!I" understand what my All I can do is ropectt hE!lp it :.L f' do(c!S anst.uetn no l:: IAJf.'l S , tny anStAJE!I". nw goVE!r'ntn<:Hll:.

Is pos ll-~:ion on thE! issue is very well known, very cl.E:!dr, 1:-:tnd '( c;:-\n only r·ecornrnend h:i.s I"E!ading thE! statE!I'TlE!nt put. out. by ll'lC! ~~-ini.si.:C'i" o·f i·il:!i:tl.Lh SOirtE! t: i mE! a g o , L.IJ h i c h rna I< e s o u r· p o s i l~ :i o n qui l:r-) c·lu;:·tl". Ml'~. KF:L.L()ND : Ml". SpE!akr~l". MR. SPEAI<ER : T h c ho n. Uw rne!ltbr-~ r f o ;~ 1\Jc:t :; !u-tu p .i .. MR. KELLAND: fhr.tnk yo1t, Mr. Sper.t!<er. I t..uould J.'ike to dirE!Ct a qu~:·st:ion l:. o t h ('! P r· e 11ri. e I" .

Y u 1.1 r· 1-1 on o u I" IAri ll knoL\..1 l::J1al: OVE!I" l:hE! pa::;l: r·E:t_.\1 IAJf•Ck:; t: h ,,. r E! h i'1 tJ e be(! n q u :i. L-. ,... a f ,,:·t.~.J questions on the Sprung project. Tn c:·' lol:. of:- ca~;(=!s :in!~OI"tllal·:. ·i.on t~Jd''; given, and in a Jot of casps ·:.i. rnp or· l:·. an 1·: --i_ nf o I" nta t. ion t~.;;:=t ;;; udthheld . Of late thE· Pt"E•rl'lit ==~~· - h a ~; d d o p t: e d l:: h (~ p o ~; i l:. j_ o n L 1·1 ,-,~ L h :::• 1..u· .. i.ll not ansiAJE!I" any fi'li)l"f:' CJIIesL-Lons, but C bel. .LeVE! he hr:-~s an obl:.i.gatton, and, l:herE!For··c. 1 pt .lt lrty ques I: ion I r·~r-.

Speake!~' the p,. -(,:•nl:i.l':•t'·: ~:; t .::~ t·:_t, ::; 11 ·r t:: 11 '"~ J lAJOU1cJ Jikt! i::O i:'l~;k 1,-.1 h i:'l ·I·_ j ~; 1:.11 ::• c t.lt" i"' r:! n I_ ~)PI"l.ll'lg Pl"Ojec-t-.? i3y J'li:'ll!E! CIJI ;It!'flbUl'"' ~;d "l c:; deCI"E!ClSE!d OVE•I" the l::hal: 1 rnean, .1. n c i" t::! c\ s r-:• d <) r· past couple of No. tj.·; l~2 ~j4-6

weeks? Are there currently any out-of-the-Province sales of c.ucumbers, or arE:~ cucurnbE!rS sti11 bE!ing ilumpE!d- ot" othro!r'lJ,dsr::! disposed of, except through sale? Ml~. SPEAKEf~: ThE'! hon. LhE~ Pt"E!ITill"''~. PREMIER PFCKFORD: Mt~. ~:>peakei " , r:ts ( ··i.nd:icatecl in tny prep<:!red slaternl':'l'l'l: to the House SOIIIC l.:illW d':!JO, T.

I•JOit}d ft"OITI t.trrto to tilliE:!, 01~ thE! govE:H'nrnent would ,~ 1" otn t J 1110. l: o l·· . .i.1nc , b C! ma !ci. n g stdt~:!lTlE'!I'I'lS on I':.I'IE! pt"oj~~ct but: L~Je lAJOulcl no l.: be :! look .i.n•J dl l:hr~ day-to-day operations of the pI" o j r:! c L L o •j · i. IJ C! i. L .:1 n o p p o 1" t u n · i. l: y t o s u c c e~ (:~ d , <:1 s lAd l h o l: h E! I" p r· o j E~ c t s dr'OI.tncl the PI"OtJ'i.nce tn 1.1Jh·i.ch govE:~t~niTtent has rnonE!Y. I do not k n U!Al h OIAJ ITk\ 1'1 ':J p r' 0 j (' C l:. S t h (!I" e:~ d i" (! around the Province.

I suppose l:h er·u C\I"E' l:.l..1JE:~nty ·f:l.Vl~, thit"LY Oi" lTlOI~E!, th:i.s VE!Y'Y ITIOrTIE•nt, that r·ecE:1ive rnone :'Y fr·orn thE! govt:•r·nm~>.nt, that are operating their businesses, that are market ing thEdr products and so on. In the s a 1 n E:! 1..1J a y , I cl o n o t.: t h l n k we s h o u l cl di sc riminate against this project any mo I" e t: han 1:: hE! o L her· p l" o j l-.1 c t s in !:he Pl"ovince. But, fr·orn timE! to time, as I inrlicdtecl in my prepared statement to Lhe Hou se , IAJ~ '! 1Ari1l. be J"~'!por·ting l::o l:h e l·lotlsc• on l:h:is pt"ojecL.

Mi~. i< E I.I..M.JI') : n ~~ uppJ (c!ITIE:!I'l'Leti"Y' Ml". Speake;!)" . MR. ~:)PFAI<FR: ·rht~ hon. :·.h( ) rnembct" 1-:-ol" J\Ji:.1~:.kdilp.i. . Ml<. KJ::I .IJ)J\.If): Mr·· . Spl :!c:tk(~J", t.he Pl"E·m·iel· ·· cc:·ll'l skc:~Le c:·1ll he! 1-Lku:: ; ,.::n ·J··hi:; btil. T 1.\JOII] .d l.i .ke Lo ask h·im spec:i.f'icc1·11y I.J.Jhal:: -L s I: h e c u 1" i" c· n 1·: f t n d n c t ;:'t l ~> L a ·I: 1 1 ~:• o r-:­ l.i·IE'! con1pany? I~~ it f:inancia11y s o u n cl o r· 1..1d 11 tn o t·' C! g e)

l) e t" n rrw n t·. funding assistance "· bE! l"equirE!d to L2Stn June 1, 198B Vol XL get through this current fiscal year? MR . SPEAKER: The han. the Premier . PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr·. SpE:!ake"!l", as I 'ind·.tcdLE!d, t:he ope r· d 1·. ton .i. :; go :i. n lj ~; 1 1 p £-;! I" -d t.t p (o! Y' , E!VE!t"yth::i.ng is on schE!dUl(c! i'tncl Lu e look r·oJ"I.l.ldl"d to d highly successful project here for Lhe p E! o pJ r~ c f o 1.1 r· P 1" o t; ..-i. n c ~! . MR. KEI..I..AND : Mt" . SpE~akl'!l" . MR. SPEAKER : () r~'LI'li't1 \)lipplentont.ar·y ' MR.

KELLAND: The Pi~emi e r· l"e :q:>r'E!Sents 50 pE!r ' CC!t'l'L · 0 I..1JI'l lc! t•·· 0 f~ 1\J U IAJ f 0 I I n ri '1 d 1'1 d F:: n V .i. 1" 0 p 0 n i C ~; and thE!rr:~fot"e I po ~:•t:• rny f'·.ind l Sii ppl (!ITI HnL <:tr'y, Mr· . does the Premier ~;)pr:: •<:'I!<E:!t "' cont:i.nue \t,lhy to refuse to give information !:hat si1ou1d bE! in thE! hands of' thE! :>o pE!r' CE!nt: 01~Jne~1r, the pE:~opl.(:! of this Province? Why does hE! cont::.i.nUE! to l"E!fl.ISE!? SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! r~ I~ . S P E A I< E I~ : rhe hon ' l·:he~ Pt"91TI .iE!I".

PRFMIER PECKFORD: ~~1". :)pt:!i:1k::!t· ·, i!.Jhy <In ::!~; !h'''~ 0 p p o s ·i L ..i. o n I" t"! f u s t' to c.t ~:; k q l.l e s L :i o n ~:. <:1boui . 1-li:'l.;i .::! l)cr"l ·r~ lltin e: .~? i1~ily do rn~:!rnbE!l "S of thE! Oppo~;Jt.·:Lon r·,:·ru~;("! 1:. o >"~ ::• k l;111 C! :; ·1· . .i. on:; db l) 1 1 i:. L: h c Mr.ll"y st: own Shipyar·c/?

J,~hy do rJltC!IilbOi ":; or +.he Oppo~;"L ·J.. ·i.cn I"C!I~u·:;:o! to ask quest:ions about HopE• 13t"ook qo]rl tiL ine::;, in !..1Jh· .ich L•Jr'! hi:'tUC:! millions and rn:ill.:Lons oF clollal"~:;':' [,.,Jhy r:-ti"(;! th(!':J only appt···odch Lng U tl(! pt'"·ojc~'ct J"dt.hE!I~ l:hdn LIAJ~:·nl.:y or· thtrLy, Mr. SpeAker? There are $99 million worth of guaranteed 1\Jo . 'I· '7 f~2S4'7

loans out from thE~ gover·nrnent. I 9 I I E:~ S S i. l j_ S lA) e J. l. 0 I H.' i~ <~ J. () 0 Hri. J J. :i. 0 r1 IIOIAJ becauSE:! of ones L!Je have donE! i"ecently. All I sr. 1y 1':o Lh0. hon. Ill E:! ITI ~H=!I" :i :, t h a t UJ:i S :i S a b U S i rH~ S S o p poI" 1.: 11 n :i l:.y , 'i. t .i. ~; <:1 i" e ~; o 1:-1 i" c h r.1 n c:l douE>.J.oprnE:!nt pr·oj E~ct IAJhich :is going l.: o IAJO 1" k F o i" o 11 r· Pi" o tJ i. n c C) . I her · n <:tl" E:! 2 0 0 N E:! t!Jf o u n d 1 ;:~ n d (;!I":; o u l: l.. hE! r E!

IAJOI" k '.'i. ng Locl.:1y I pi"Oci u c :i ng i:'tnd rnc:~l"kE:!ting a UE!ry, very high que:1lily pr·oduct for Uw p!::!Oplt"! oF Newfoundland and Labrador, for· the people of Canada, and hopefully, for lhe people of the world. SOME HON. MEMBERS: I-I eat~, hE!cll~! MR. LUSH: M1~ . Speakr:'l" . MR . SPFAI<EI~: -,-he hen. l:_h(:! rnernber· For Bondt.J:i.s L<:-1 r~o r·t h . MR. I.USH: 1'-1 i" . !:) p u "' k c i" I I h i')

l) e Cl q 1.1 (~ ~; :.. i. 0 n r~ 0 1'' the Min:i~;'LE:~l" of Muntc:lpal Affaii"S ( r"' J" . l3 1r· n t: I: ) ·i n r· e l. a I. i. o n l.: o I: h 0. n1itt-.i ~;te t" 1 :. dE:!pal"t.rnE'!nt' s ce~pi.t:al IAJO i" k ~; p l" 0 j 1.':' c 1-: ~; I IAJ h .·i. r: h d p p (:~ d i" l. [) I:.H:~corn:ing ruol"E:! and more public e v ~~ r y d a y 1.1J' l t h o u i: b E:~ .. i. n g p r e s e n 1.: e d to this HoUS(! fot" cornm~~ntary, ( :ll:! b ,,, !·: e I i'1 p p r· o v d 1 o i" I~J h d L e v e r' .

T I;.JOl'lciE•i" Jf Ll·l(~ rn:inist(~·r can i.. n d 'i. c i'l 'l: C'! t•J h d -1:. p u r· p o s (~ .. i. ~; d c h -L C:! tJ E'! cl by 90V(!I"IIBIE!nl.. lTl( :!rrtbE!l"S announcing these capital wo~k projects ou Ls~Ldo of this I-lOUSE!? W h r.t l n r,, IAJ p u r· p o ~; E:! I M r· . S p e a k e r· I h a s sp1"ung up to requ:i.re this i.r·regul.c~r I :incongruous Clnd undemocralic way of announcing capitctl works projects? r·11~ . s P E n 1< :::: r< : T l·1 P h o n . l~ h 1:' M :1. n 'i s I_ e I" o F M u n :i. c j p a 1 n r~ F cl -i. , .. ~, . Mf~. Br<FTT: 1.2 1~1~8 JUIW 1, 1988 Vol XL. Mr.

Speaker, I think that or a ~; ·i. rrd. J. ''' r· q 11 e s L :i. on h d ~; bE' en as ked many times. I told thE! hon. rnernbE'~r· y e s t (:! ;" cl i."' y o l" I: h e d a y b E! ·F o r· o t h d t l':!VE!ry s:.Lng1E! rnembE:!r of U·ris Hou se lo~LL J -1. b e n o +.: i ·F "i. 1::! d i 17 'i. n F r::t c t. t.: h (''' r· e are any projects in h:.Ls or her d :i. ~; 1: r· 'i. c L . ll y F ,., -L 1 I d y (;! v r:! l" y body o 11 b o t~ h s :i d 1=.! s of t h e H o u ~' e 1.11 .i 1 ] b c· n o -1:. i. f :i.

C'' d r"' n d t h e n i-::t n y 1 n e rn b ~=! l" i. c; fr'E!e to go out and call a pl"ess confel"E!ncc~, or sl.:dnd on h.is hr:!c1d 1 if he wants t·o. What the n'lf!rnber doe:~s once'! he gets thE! projE!Cl: is up to h:imself. So thE!re is nothi.ng unusuc:tl gooi .ng on. ~io1ne lrll::!rnbt:•I"S have been advised. It is a fairly largo prograrnrne. Jt: t:<.'lb'!~; t:"i.11w l··.o tAli"'il::e up a11 t:h1"! MCs, to gE!t etH!l"ythi.ng in OI"CIE:!I", c:lncl i.t: js :i.lllpO~~~;:LblH fOl" Lhe' sl:.aff 'to get them r.l11 out :in one clay. Thny IJ.Ji .]J. cl.}1 be Otlt . by Fr··idi.'l'J.

I wJll be making a Minisler'iaJ :)L:d'l:emnnl:. T t;.ri.lJ l.:rJb](~ i.t: i.n l:·.lle House, and then lhe hon. rnomber r:~oi" llonat .J:i.~;t,,, i\JOi"l:h, :i.f .in Fc:·1CL he has any pr ·oj ects, can go out and h ;-"tu e a b j_ q p i" e ~; ~; c o n f C! l" C! n c 1:! , q (! l:: a11 the new rnodia together, and l:r~ll Lhurn IAJh<:11. ,,., l:Jl"C'•''tl.: goVC!I''ntnenl:: we have in the Province of N ~~ IAi f 01 1 n d l. a n d b r,~ c a 11 s C! o ·f o'.'t ll l: hE! money they are putting into l,uat ~E·r· d n cl ~; 1:': I;.J e l" ··i. n t h .. i. ~; P I" o tJ i n c t:! . SOME HON. MEMBERS : !·leal'', hE!Cl.l"! MR.

LUSH: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAI<ER: n suppl~~l'rllc!nt.cli"'J 1 the hon. rnernber for Bonavista North. MR. LUSH : the::· -,-11 (' p l" 0 b 'I (' Ill j_ ~; I 0~ l" . ~3 p (! d k ( ! I" I I'· h (! i" (' ai"C~! go:ing 'l::o be;:! none l1::!f 1:. t·.o be-'' d n no 11 n c: l:! 1 I by ·I h (! li'I·L n :is l:: 1,:• ,.. . They a I" E! a 11 announcE! cl n OtAJ . 1 a~; k t. he nr:i.n.i .~;l:r:!l"~ r"ll". ~ipedkt:>i": IJ1lUl he No. 4-7 R2 54-B

nol: come cl.E:'an and admit thi:tl: t:he only purpose achieved by mE~mbE~rs opposite announcing these capital wor ·ks pr·oTe cts is a political one, and l:.ha t. thi.s proct':!dur ·e~ .i.s violating, subverting and destr·oy..i.ng the ch~lriCH..:t'dt i.e PI' 'OCE!SS as LuE:! ki'IOIAJ it? SOME lWN. ~1f: ~MBERS: Ht':!al", he1a1n! Ml~. SPEAKE I~: Tho hon. the Minister· of Municipal Aff"cl ·oi.r's. I'-1R . BRETT : Ml". ::lpc~<.·lknr·, I do nol:. !cno1~1 hcli.\J l.~hu 1101'1. I'IIE'!ITibOI" can COrTIE! {:O thcd: con c l11 ~; .i. on . r h d lJ r.~ i:tl r· e c1 d y i·. o 1 d i·1:irrt tha-t 8V(:11"Y sing}E:!

ITIE!rrlbE!I" :ln i.: h j_ ~; ll 0 I I ~; e I~J h 0 g c:• i: ~) f I I 1'1 ri ·j 1'1 g f 0 J'' cap:ita1 tAJOI"k:.; Lhr·ough t:I·1E! [) (! p dl" L~ rn ,:! n L () F M II n •oi. c i. p i:'l J. A r~ f '"' 'i I" ~;; IAJi J. 1 b E! n 0 1.: i r i (:' d b y 1 t':! t t e In . I l: Cdnnut·. be done! aJ.l ·i.n one ddy, so it. is bEdng donE! over· a pE!riod of t.:-i.Jnc;!. ThE~ hun. member' t,o,d.ll hc::tV(! 'Lhe:1 samE! opportunity as eVE!I"ybody else, as I hctve already told him. MR. LUSH: A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAI<ER: A final supplementary, lhe hon. 1-:hr:! rnE~lllbE:•r -for .l~onctv.l.sta Nol"l:.h.

Ml'<. IU:3H : Ml". SpE~akei", I ask l:ht '! rnin=i.sl :er, b H C i:l U ~) f~ l'.: h i. :; C 0 I I l. d I f1 c'1 k (! i'l cl :l f f E:! l" en c e , if '1.. hE:! s e p l" o j t=~ ct. s n OlAJ bc-l_ng <.'ll'll'lOIII'lCPcl by 90l .Jf~ l"l'll'rlf!l'll-. I'll c~ rn b P l" ~; a 1" c:~ r:J o :i n g L o b (• s p o n s o I" E:' d by l·nr·y Pi:tJ "1~y F11ncl~> or· c:·ti"::: l:hey ~Joing t:o bt:! spOliSOl"E:cl by l .. hE:! l::. 1:1 )( p i'liJ o i" ~:; I 111 o n j c~ ~; o r:- l·. h ·i ·; F'l"OU.:iri CH? If l:ht:•y al"t=! ~JO.i.I'I~J t·o b 1::~ ~; p 0 1'1 ~;; 0 I"(!

CJ bY l. h (! [:. d X p ;:·1 I) (~ l"' ~; 1 lltUn:ie~; of ll ·1:l.s Pl"Oulnc (:, lAJI1y does t·_h c 1n·i.n -L s ·!·.u1" I'll) L: <lo ·i 1·. Ll·ie pr··opul", the~' COI'.·l"ecl:., Ll'it':! clernocJ"atic lAJi:·~y. and announce t.h~:·sc:! pi"OjC:!Cts -Ln L.2 549 JUnE:1 1, 1988 Vol XL l:his House ,~? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Municjpal Affairs . 11-11~. BRETT : Ml". Speai<E!r, that: is f:!XactJ.y uJhat I :lnLund to do on Fl"·-ic:ldy ITlOI"n.in<J. SOME HON. MEMBFRS : ileal", he::1iH'! MR. 1<. AYLWArW: Mr . Spenk~ ~r· . Ml~ . SPEAI<FR: fhe hun. l: h (~ l'flC!l'flh(:l" ·1=- ur·· StE!phE~nville . MR. 1<.

AYLWAIW: --····-·-----·-···----·-···--· f·1t '. ~) peetker ·, [ ~~JOIIl.d l·i.!(c~ i~o go back to l~:hE:! M:in:lst(;'l" oF i\1un::i.cipa1 ()fFi:l'ir·:; f'oi" ':'second. Coul .d he tc::~ll. us agcdn if LitE:! poJicy oF h:L!; d e p d l" l.:tn f:! n 1:: '.i. ~; l.: o !> u n d d l. E! l· I t:! r· l: o the rnemi:)E!r'~> before an announcelTIE!nt -Ls llldtif~ so thi'tt. Ulis pr·oLocol call U'ln bE:1 foJ.loLAH:1d, and LAJe urill know tAJhich monies we receive Ln our districts? I want to hear that e~gc;d.n . Could ht' I:E:'ll LIS I pl1:-ase? MR.

SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs . f.Jl R . 8 R ETT : f"ll" . ;)pc~dkC::!l' .. I I cl o seeing Lhat hon. nuL·. r·c"Cdl.l rnernbE!i" j n e l.J 1:~ y· lilY o f. r:~ -j c e :; ··i. n c c::: I IAJ en t. 0 l.J (!I" LhHI''!.·:l i:'l number oF months ago. SOME l-ION. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! f·11\ . B f~ E T T : l·le has nf:!Ut:>l", E!VE:'I"· bt::!el'l Lo my 0 F r ·j c (! 1: () rrld k c• (' r:· pi" H s (! n 1·. d l:. i. 0 n () n b 1:~ h a 1 f o f t !·1 e p E• o p 1 e j n l: h e li ·i.~;;i ·l"i.Cl.. or ~:3l.:C!phl:~J'llJoiJ.lc!. SOME HON. MEMBERS : No. 4.7 R2S4.9

f:)harnc~! Sharnt-:!! MR. 13RF.TT: A 1'1 d I lAJ(j u], d s u ~~ g E! s t J i"l '!c1sun i.r no ol·.:hci", merni:J(~'l" ~; houlcl no l·:. bC::• ,:·"t n no 1.1 n c 1:! L h c~ pi" o j '''! c I ~:; hc'l.S c~ny. Obviously for· that Uli'\ L ho n. a11ou.JE:'cl Lo (> l) (! n i . r-- h n h1:• has t1o ·i 1'1 l.: e I" c ::; I. .i. n 1.:: h t' c/ .i :; l:. 1" ·i c :. l'l(!VE~l" beer 1 ·:.in my ofFicE>.. nevc;!r 1rtddo a t"eqtlr:~~; L Fo1" any l[::! hr::t:; Ht:! has flll'lc/~;. Mr~ . I< . ~YU\IARD : (.) suppl emen tar y . M l~ . S PF::Al<FR: A supplt:•rrJE!ntai"Y . Ml~. I<. AYLWArW: Democracy Speaker! comm ent on -.is aliv E:!

Would a pi" E!S s SOMF HON. ·MEMBERS : Hear, hear! M I~ . I< . ~ Y I \1\1 rliW : and tAJE:·ll, Mr . thE:' m.i.n.i.s l·:.et" r pJ. easE:! - We wiJ.l find out in the next e l. EH: l.: t o n 1.~1 h o rrli'u:l E:~ g o o cl representation, Mr. Speaker. liJo 11l. d t: J·w h on . rn.i. rd.:; ·l:c! i" c Ollllrt~:! n I: a 1·1 cl L E:• J J u s t i·t E'! t'· e as on why t: h c;! M-i. n ·t ~; t e l" o i- T i" c::t n s p or· l": c:l l: .i. o n ( rJl r' . Doyle) and the ~~ Parliamentar·y 11 s ~; -; :; 1: ·Hl 1.: t o U·1 C!

P l" cHn .i e r· :i. s s 1 1 e d a p I'' C'! :.; :; l" U J (:;! d !~ H :i I I ;3 [: f:! [:> h (! 1'1 IJ i 1 ] (! l·.ocir:<y di'll'lUIII'lCJI'lg (!>300,000 in p l'' 0 j U C [~ S f 0 l" ;3 1: E>. p h (;! 1'1 V .i 1J. E~ ? :30r·1F 1-101\J. Mr::I'-1BEI(~) : I·IE:!i:H', heat"! 1'"11\. BAI/W: B E! c d u s e 1::1 w h o n . 10 ~'· Ill b f'! 1" i. s n o 1:·. in ler'E!S !:E!d. MR. SPEAKER: Order, order! rJJ r~ . I< . A Y UrJ 11 R [) : You LE•11 me ::LF Lhat is ciE:•rnocl'··acy, Sir·! You l::Pll me! L2!J50 J11nt:! 1, l9aa \) o l. X I. !30MF 1-101\J. MFMB ::: RS: Hear·, hear! MR . SPEAKF.R : T h () hun .

L h :~ r•1 .. i. n .i. S ·I·(! l" 0 [- ~~II n i. C .i pal Affatr·s. M 1\ . [i R ETT : r: t •• IJOI.Il d ~;11gg::!~; l., f'~l". ~)ped!cc::r·, i·:h<'l L t·: h a t o p p o l" t u n :i t y rn :i g 1·1 t b ':. d lh:·dJ . d b l (-) t 0 t h r:1 1: Ill C! Ill b (! l" S 0 Ill e ci d y ten, f:iftE!E:Hl Or' l:IAJE!nty yecH'S dOIAll'l the:! · I"Ocld IAJhen J··.ht-:!Y go l: a l.E!adE·r· who is not bought and paid -for. SOME HO N. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! Ml\. BARRY : Mt". SpeakE!r . MR. SPEAKFR : ThE! hon. thE! rnernbE!l" for· Mot;nt · Bell. Tsl.and. ~)c j o SOMF HON. MEMBFRS : Hear·, ~H~al"! MR.

BARRY: T L.UOUJ. d like to qi.IC.) r;·i·-.:i on J chi1dt"E:'n d OL1lrl . rJll'' . s p (' r:·1 k 0 r·· J 0 r1 thE! 0 thE:' I" !)()~~r 1101\l. MEMB E r<s: Oh, oh! rJJr~. BAI\1\Y: Ml". ~:)pE:•a k E'!l", I l..\JO U J. d aclcil"E!SS a 1~1h c:· n 1:: ht:• ~;jciEo! C[U.i.E~l.. J·j k c 1:.<) ;::l 1 I ell" u ~; ~; .:-~ q 11 e ~;; l ... 'i. on I <) l:·. h 1:• ~·1 i 11 .i ~; l:: e 1 .. of Laboul" (~11". 131anchat"d).

I IAJOIIld l"i.ke Lo i'l~:~k 1.:1-w ln ·i.n.l .~;l::el" IAI h C:! t h E! r h E! h a s rna d E:! a n y :l. n q u ·:L r :.i. ,,. ;:, "i.n l ... u Lilt! bornb .i.ng l:·.l1e E1.i.zab~ :! l:h Park Subdivision in Paradise by the aj o i.n:inq gl"c'IIJc:.J. poi. t opel"al-:.ion? I tAJoul.cl J·.ii<e Lo hatJ<:! l::hu m·in -i.sL t:!r' I"Upot·l. t·u Lhe !·lou:;::• IAJhat t:hE! t"esuJ+:s of· thE!Sl':· i 11 q u i. r· :.i. C! s h r:'t IJ H b 1::! H n ? MF<. ~-JPFAKEI~ : The hon. the Minj ster of Labour . ~.Jo. '1·7 1~ 25l :J ()

Ml\. RLANCHAIW: Mr . Sp~~a k E! r·, For s o1ne l i.ITIE! pr'i . or to the blast that the han. the rn E! m be r f. o ,;, M o u n l S c "i. o i s 1.: i'l 1 k i n g about, our· dE!partrnent monitored very carefully what was happE!rLi.ng. There t.uas no covel"- .. up or· <:·1ny l'.:h:ing by ·I·. he- coltlpany, .i.l'.: lAid~> all out '.in thE! opE!n. It hd~ > been rnonJl.:or·ed ~:!VE'!r' s ·inc~~ 19B6, I bE!l'ieVE!, Ml". SpE!ake:~r·, tJ.Jhen thE!Y s t.al "te d do.i.ng th"i.s. .[ l: I~.Ja!; mortitor·ed by the DE!pcdliTlE!nt of Mi .nL~S r.1J.so, c:~nd by t:he l)(~pr :·lr'I:ITIC!nl : of t .. l·te:~ EnvironrnE•nt.

There~! has bl"! t:!n ~>Oii iO l)di'' ·.·i.dncc:! b~ :!ti~Jr=· ~:! n i:h'~ c.tct.uaJ irrfor·rnation IAJhich has comE~ o ' 1 l.: , d n cl tAJ h c1 L ·l: h E! i" e <:1 J. .i. n r~ o r· rn d t ".i. o n t ~; . ·rhc an~;IAJC!r' i·:o t.he hon. IIIC!I'nbei·'' :; question is, YE!S, t.o~Je have~! lookE:'d ·Jnl:.o Lt: t.:hor·OiighJy, c'lnd r c.:\n Pl"'ov'.idE~ t-he l·1on. rnE :!mbE!l" IAJ'it .l·l some -i. n f 0 1" Ill d t. j 0 1'1 U 1'1 "i. t . MR . BriRl~Y : Ml" . SpeakE!!". MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, t:hr::! hon . l·.:hr=! rnember for Mount Scio BE!ll Island. MR.

BARRY : Ml". ~3pE!ake1", IAJould thE:! rn:in:istel" infor·rn t:he l·lou~ :;t~. IAJhelht:!r' h(! ·is satisfied that adequate safety p l" ,,,~ c c.·l u 1··. 'i. o n :; i:'l r· '''! i n p l. c1 c e L h r:=! l" c:· ? ·1· I l . f.. ;J l I t tl M. .. !:; ·1 e s a : l s · .. ::1. ("' c : ·1 a ~ "I f:! :1 n E! s In:;pecl'.:ion Rranch or hls DepartmenL is ensur'.ing this o p r:'! r• <:1. i ·. 'i. o n i s c d 1'' i" "i E'! d o 1 1 i: j n i't pi"OPEH' etnd cai"E:ful Fashion, a fi:'ishi .on snfe fur · the r:1cljoin"i.ng 1· · e s J d e n L s ?

T ~~ t: I·' ('! rn j. n '.i s t (-:- I" a IAJ a 1" E:· T pr:!i"SOI'li:·'ll-ly Sdi.<J i.:h .i:·:; i.h ... '!L 01'1 "I . . I l i'tll c: i:l I" .. ·1 c· 1'' o c c i'1 s :.~.on a :.lou ~. a y '"!a 1" dyO i'.hC!i''C' \,\Ji't::; ,) pJ .f•t:C'.~)i::- l''OCk r~ r~ . !3 P r:: n :u :~ : Oi'·d EH', p J er.A ~' E:!! L2S51 J !HI("~ 1, 1 9 8 8 VoJ. XL MR. BARRY: M r . S p e a !< E! r , e HI b e d d C:! rl i. n l:.I·H:! 1 atJJ n of a h o u s E!? MR. SPEAKER : 0 r· d t! r· , p 1 t=! c1 s c"1 ! l'h"i. s -i :; but: the i'l S L1 p pl.(!

I TIE'! 1'1 l':. i:'t r· y qut'!:O; t.·.i on, c ornrn•::· n t. in ~J hon . rnernbE!r i c; on anot:her issue. MR. BARRY : I as 'kE!d thE! rninistE!r, Mr·. Spei:lkE:l", ·i. ~; l·w ;:'l1Aii'1i" e:~ of 1: h "i. s ear· J. :i.

C~! r· inc idE! n t, lAJhel"E! t hE!l"E! tJJa s a p:i e c E:: oF l"OCk U111bnddud "il'l i''i li' 'llAJn of c'l house, tJ.Jhich, if it had h:iL the hOil:)E!, IAIOU.'J.ci hdl)C:~ dUiliO"l.oi.Sht"cl i:'.hE! hoUSE! and Llo.llpE:d out C:1VE!I"yboc:Jy in t h <::1 l: · h o 11 ::; c? l ~; 'l.: he rn ·i. n -L ~; L. u r· at.o~li:'l r· e of l:.h.i.:;? r1 r~ . s P :::: n 1< F r~ : ThE~ hon. t·:I·IE' M:l.n:istc,'l" of 7 Laboul" . i\1 R . 13 1... AN C H A IW : Y <~ s , M r' . ~:; p c~ r:1 k n r· , i: h r't 1'.: p ':'1 r· I~ t c u 1 a r· part of the story has been r·~:!pOI"'l':E:!cl i:lnd ".i.t. hc:·\s bE:~en investigated.

We were even toJ.d '1': h a t t h {'! 1" o c k IAJ ~=! n t: d o 1.1.1 n ·.i n L. o l:: h e 91"0Urld E!ight inchE!S dE!E!p, 01" ~;ornE!i:'.h:i.ng l."i.k'~ th<:~t .. 1\IOIAI you can root into the ground and find some l"ocks e.iql1l: 'i.nch~~s dot1.Jn, or· ttAJr?.ll..JfO! 1nches or whatever. We do not: 1i(jhl ·:.ly, ~~)" . morn·ing thE! p J" o c l. <'1 1 n i'l 'i'. "i. on of lhE! 19l:h t.ake l':heso t h·.:i. l'l(;J ~; ;·)p~:!c:tkHI". Ti1 f.~; Ut::'!"'j Premier mi'ld8 a pi" o c li:l . .i.lll ·i n q to l:hE! 2Sl:h I•· hi=! of IAI(' E'! !< June 0 c c 11 p i'l -1. "i on o J II

t) d J t.. h d n <I ~:)a f e l.: y WE:!E:!k. We c\l"e VE!I"y, VE!l"Y conscious 0 f' 0 C: C I I p r.·1 i.: ~i. U 1'1 i'l l. h (~ i:1 ) i. h d 1'1 d ~; a r~ <:'! 1.:: y mal:t.E~l"S. v~e cJj.d rnonj l.:ol" l.ha 1'.·.. lr,IE:~ 'I o o k C ,·1 il. i. i. I 1·11 c• i"' e I;.Jd ~:. ;:·l b l.l f~ r· !" 1··· Z 0 1'1 ('! i.'l )'I cl l:·. h <:• I" (! lAJ C! 1" (;• p t:! 0 p .J ('' l'kl·i·.ci'l'ill(j IAJht ·:~n l:i'!C> bl.i't~:.i · l:Ut)!( place. Sorne rocks did pass Ol)Ui"hc•i''lcl •. tnr ·l ·],'·lilrl in l..ht:! buFr:·t:'!l" zonE!, bul:: up unt'.'i .J. l:h.is poj.nL '.'in t. i.Hll:! ~~JC l1 , ~~ r· . ~3 p '~a kr=· l" , r 1..1J"i.] l No. 4.7 R25':.d

not say l:.his po"i.n'\: and t-i.ITit!, but up until the latest r'E!ports that I hi<tVC:! of the,' -Lnt;est:tgaL"ions ·in't:o l.I·1Js, thE:!I';E~ t.-~Jds no indication thE! l"oc!<~; t.J.JcnL bE~yond l".hE~ b1tfFer· zone~, tAJi"l::i cl·1 tAJi:.tS sorne1.-~1he1"e :in bE!"l..IAJE!en 1.\J h C"! r· c 1". h :-:! b l r:-1 ~; ·1-. l. o o k p l <:·"1 ~; c:! <:t n cl to~! h e I" e ·t-.. 1·1 E' h o u ~; C:'! s r.·"l 1 •. , :':! • l.Al t:! c\ r· e n o l. 1-. .::~ k .i. n q i l. ., .i. 9 h l". ·1 y , rJJ I" . Sp0ctker. I can assure the hon. rnE!rnbc;!r' t·.hal.. c"lncl ·i.i: hEt:; boen Jookc:!d :i t . ThE'!

I" E:! haS b EH~ 1"1 a ITI EHd: i n g Lt.rl. t h L h e M c:! t i"' o B o <:\ J" rl , 1 1 n cl E:! I" 1 ~~ h o :; r"! juJ":i.~;cl:ict:ion l~haL ar'c~a comE!S, and OLil" clE'!Pdl"t:.lnC;!nL hd::; bC'!E:!n !" E:! p I" e ~; E~ 11 t E! cl ·[: 1·1 e r E! , t h E! M j_ n (;! S Department: has beon reprosenterl U·H~J"e, and Envii"OI"'ITIE:!nt., so it has been thoroughly exam.ined. Ml~. BAfH~Y: Ml". ~3pE~akE!r'. MF~. SPE(li<U?: A final supplementary, the hon. B r::1ll thE'! ll"l(:11Tib~:!r ·fol" ['.o1o11nt: Sc:io IsliHld. MR.

BAI~RY: Is the minister cHAJa I" e that i" 1:! s ··i_ t It:! n t :; ··i. n t h c~ r:-1 i'' e c:-1 i:'ll" E! d:isput:i.ng tht:• claims of thE:' Mines T n :; p r;! c ·1·· . .i. o n B I" d n c h o F t h c~ m:ln'.is'l"cl" 1 ~~ clepaJ'"l·:rnen'l~, that. no ('l)(k•:, IIJC'I"IL l)ll'l'·.~:;..i.clt-:• ur l ik l::liiF·Fr:!l" ?CHIC::!? :r~~ t:hr::! m::l.ri'lsLnl" at .. uar·t:' of LhJ.~:; po·inl? !;.J.iJl he:! int.Jr:·~;l .. ii..!J<.'ti.:r,:• l:.h::is pu.itiL? nE:!Ci:ll.l~)(:', Mi". SpeakPI", i·t_ .. i·::; d f"acl·~ :~1·1..:-ll·-~ :-_1'liJ·I·_ i"ocl< IJ..J(~,_~; 1 1 o r· cl u g d OlAI n .

ThE:! p eo p 1 e d ::i. cl no L d "i. 1..!J e i g h t: j n dw :; d o IAJ n :i r 1 l.. o L: h c ]dtAII"I to fir1cl Ll·1at r·ock. ThdL l"ock 1 .:1 rH:I1;! cl , r·1 i"' . 3 p e d k e I" , d n d i. tn b e d d ~=! d il'l the"~ gl"OUnd E!:ight 'inches. J SCiiAI i. L i:'l n d t.: h E:! m i. n .. i. s t e r· ~; h o t 1 1 d l~ i:'l k I'' ·i. l.: S(:!I"JOUSJ.y. ~30~~[ IWI\1. ['.o1EMB E l\;:): H P d I" , h e a l" ! MR. 13ARf~Y: II: t~,~ going to b("! t·.oo l.i'll·~c:! t.-~JhE~n L251)2 JUnE! l, 198B lJol XL sornE~body -i.s k·iJJ.E!d. minister to look at I clsk the that very, l.J (;!

I" y c a]" t~ ·r 1.1 1 1 y . r-11~ . ~3 P F A I< E I~ : T h e I" E! i S j U S "l:. t :i. ITI E' ,'"[ 1"1 SIJ.IC! l"'. for a b1":i.e f" ThE:! h on . t h t;! Min :i ~; LeI" of 1... a b 0 u i'' . MR. Bl ANCHAIW: r~r' . ~::; p (-:! d k c~ r·· J [ d 0 n 0 t k i'l OIAI h O!.~J many· dJffc;!I"E:~nt. t..uays I can tc;!ll t.l·1e h on . rn E:~ rn b l:! i"' , L h d t yes , c1 l1 o F t. he information and tht:• cJ.a:i.ms t:hc~L h<.'tVC' COIIIC 011-i: db01.1i.: I.A.JhHJ"''(·'! I"'OCkS went are being investigated. I 1.1 n d C! I" s t d n cl t h <:'t l':. 1: h C:!

I" r:! .L s c o rn p l. c;! l·: l:! co-.. oper"ation by thE! company. ThE!Y i<t r· ~-:! c o n c r:! 1" n (! d I·~ h a L L h <:! J"' e s 'i cl c:! n L s ai"E~ bE:!·.:i.ng tUJ"nE!d off" by thE! blelsl'.s. But·. "i.l:·. "is b,,•:inq lookc::•cl at, M1~. SpE!akE!r, and a r'epor~t lAr·l.J] be rn d d P i. n cl u e co u J"' s e . Mf~. SPEAI<Ef~: 0 J" d !"! r· , p J. E! a s E! ! The time for Oral Questions has elapsed. Private Members' Day rJJ I? . ;3 P E () i< F F~ : ThE! d 1;) bat 10!

IAJa S ad j 0 l.ll" n (' ci by L: hi'' h on . 1. h (:! r"' i n j ~;; I u i" CJ f 1\J 0 r· t·. he I"' n D(:!t.Jr::•J.oprnent and he :i~; no 1:·. her"E:~. MR. GULLAGE: Mr. 3peaker. Mi~. ThE! ;:)PEAKE!~: hon. the -I<~=! nJno u n l: .. MR. GUL.I...ACE: ITI (! ITl b E:! r for" W a ·t: e r"·f o I" cl M I"' . ~)pI'' r.'l k (' ]" ' l IAJO I i "l cJ 1. .·.i !U:! [''.() address the rnotion and speak on 1 ... h H I" ~'· s o ·l u L i o n t·. !·1 i'l L l·: l1 <" P I"' o o..J i n c e dE! a l lAri t h t h lo! <:H' t s co rnm u n j t: y i n a 11"101"~'! cornpl"!::!h~·ns"i.~Je lfldnn(:•r' Lhar1 iL No. 47 R2552

has in +:hE! past . J 'think theinE! is no qUE!S'lion -t.hc~ r.\ r L. s ·L n · E h i. s P r· c.w 'i. n c e h i'W e be e n bt·ought Jnto focus ovE~r· Uw last s i.x rnon Lhs Ol" so, ctnd pos s i bl.y ovc::H' the last yc.;!ar, but certatnly .i.n +·he l.d~ ; t. s.l.x 111ont.hs ~~~~:! hav1::! seen a great Focus on the arts cornrnun:i. Ly. F r· o m l: h e:~ C i !: y p e r· s p 1::~ c t. i. v e , 1.1.1 e h a v e seen the Yor·k Th€:!atrE> Pl"Oject where a sLudy was comrnissloned Bnd a r'c->.por·t brought forwal"d on thE~ Yo r· k rhea l:: I" e .

T h <'l l: co lllln'i. ~; s :i. on , -i. n fact, shoWE!d LhE> Yor·k ThE!atre, the bu·i.l.d·i.ng s'.'i.nce dt:~lnoJ.·i.shed by f-LI"C, could, in fact, be:' l"E :!s tol"ed, I" e h a b .i. l 'i. L c:'l t. ('! cl d n rl II s (! d <:\ ~; d n i.'l r· 1: ~' CE!I'Jti"E!. The.;! fclCt. thal.. that. c Olllln"i. S ~; ·j 0 n rh d, :'i. n F i:1 ci:, r· n f>lH "l: :i.l:!; r·Jrid:ii'J9S ir1 a FJOS:i-t:.JVEO\ IAJi:1y CC!l"l-d'.i .nly i.n cl ·i.cr:·11:.::!~; \:.h( '! tJ i ;·.1b'.'i.'l i I y of til(:> di'·'Ls cornrnun:il:y :in ~3t .. J o h n 1 :; , ,:·t n d , i. n cl :::!

C! d , · i n ·L·. h c Pl"ovj ncp. ~3incE:~ tAJe ha~Je los ·t: l': hcl t a J. i-. C:! r n a L J tJ C:' , R s f <.'l r· d ~; -1: h R t particular building :is concerned, lAIC~ s t. :iT l h d tJ e o p p or· 1'.: u n ·i.

L :L e s l'.: o take advantag~ of the r· e c o mr11 t~ n d a t. :i o n s c o n t. a t n l:~ d i. n t h c:1 1~. sl:udy and sE·E~ the rE·comrnE~ndations C a I'' I"' ,i. e d 0 U l. ~:. 0 1·: h t'! t: h I" ll ~; 1': 0 F [: h e cornrnission 1 s study is ned: J.ost and the :l.nlti.ative taken by rnany of l..hto' ;;tl"l·::ist:s and con~;u1tdnl'.:s, i;t 1ol: of' tAJhom I.A.ll :~r·t'' :~ngaged i.n cJ-ial.oguH tAli l: h l: hE! c ornrn :i s ~; ion , a 1 o t o f thE~ Un · l.l s 1: n r [·: h E~ i. r· c 0 ll'llTl p n t s a n d 1.) r::- Lheir recornmendattons, are not l. u s ~.: 'i. n t h e f u t u I" (~ . t.~ e 1; a n , t n fc.tcL, ti.'lkt:! advantagE! of tht:!:ir· 10\XPHl"l · .. i.sc~ by ::H1SI.Ii" '·i.nq.

L·.h ::!y ;:u·r:· plu~i~Jed :.inLo d11 l:.hc-:~ necr:-~;~::ar·y cl C! p d I" t: 111 £::! n 1. ~:: 1) i::- g o ~ J n i" 1'1111 t:! n :·. ·.; o H 1 l'! appropriate officJaJs are spoken lAd I h on i h ::• p (· (: lJ i il r i. d ·1 ·1 ::! t.JI: • l , .:1 ::; IAJC:~·]J ;;1~:; 01'1 l.h1::! HlUII:ic:ipaJ ]t·'!V(!], d 1·11 I l:. h n i i'' ~; 1 1 q g C:! ~; 1. ·i o 11 .~; ;::t r·· : :! c c:'t i'' i" ·i ::: d f CJI"t.ua l'··d ·t~ o ~~ o tJ E~ l'· IWI(! n l:. and d (! i-.l1 '1:. 1.?.5~)3 Jtli'W l, 1.9138

l) o l X I_ lA) :i. ·I : h J. 1'1 f:1 f> 0 S "i. [: J IJ f~ lA) C\ y . Many of these individuals haVE! conCE!r·n~;, of cuul"SC:•, l)Jh.l .ch go beyond the scope of s:irnply pr ·uvid .. i.nq a bui.lcling, ~;uch as l::he Yor·k ThE!atrE! might hdVE! bE·en . 1.1\lh~:.t.:hE!l" i.l: . .i.s a bu:ild.·.i.nq such i;t~: that or· a s:LrniJ.a1" sl:ructul"e I can g:iv<:~ so1ne exampl£:!S in Lh::!

Ctty, such as the BIS butlding, l.h~;:' Sl :i'1r Tht~~atrt~', two examplc.;!s of t.IAJO oJ.dE~r bui1dings, in fact, thc:'lt could br'~ us~ :!d for· t:hc:~ al"t~; whether it is a structure historic -i. n n i:1 1·. u r· e or· '.i. ~; 1'1 b r· c::t n cl n e 1~.1 structurE! deemed nE!CE!SSctl"Y bt:!CdUSe of '1-:h::• r! Co! I'll c.H1 d f r· I.Hfl 1·:. h e d r· [· ~; cornrnun·i ty, <:·1 !; l on 9 is il"l"'E!lE~vanl :in a Lui:1Y, d~; tt. i.~:; r·::!coqn lzC:'d pl"E~rnises havE:~ to bE• pl"ov·idecl fol" Uit-:!

F.tr'l·; COiillJIIIrd .l·:y l.n CdrTy Otli ·: LhC:'ir rnandaln on behalF or ·i n d ·i t d. t 11 1 1:1.1 :; Et ;" l . .i. ~; I_ ~; , 1.11 h e H11::! 1" j 1· b C! :in t:hE• ctl"ea of l.:hE!aLr't:!

Ol" dc<nce Ol" l.h::! ro·l !c ar· t·.~;, o;" IAJhi.'li·::!~JUi" l:hr:! ar'E-)a of thE! arts cornrnun:i.Ly rn:i.gh t bC!. lli:llJil'llj j:ll''elll'i.SC!S ;.1tJc:ti16lble, and these premises supported by 1·. h e p r· o tJ i. n c ·i. d l. g o lJ C! r· n 111 ~'! n t. a n cl b y munic:i.pal gov( :!r'nrrlE!nts, such as St.. :J o h n 1 s , ~:; l: co p h ~:! n IJ j. 11 E! , Co t' n C'! r· Fll" o o k ancl oth~:!r locations throughout l:he P r· o t; ·i. n c 1;:~ IJJ her· c:!

L'.JE:' h a v c~~ an on go :in g presence of theatre and folk arts, r"l l" . ~:3 p e d k e r' , i l:: :.i. ~=; t rn p CH' L: i:'t n l:: i·:. o l" e a 1 i z E! thE! a I" i: s co rr11nu n :i L y n u u cJ s a llldndd~:e far· 'i.n r::c~c:lvanc('! of t).Jhi7.~.l:. ha ::; been put in placE> in the past ll': has l:o lAJ:i l 1 IAJO i" Jc to SE!E• be ClSSUI"(:!d l .. hE• Pl"ov:.i ncH C OllllllU n i. I~ 'j au;;~:1l<:.tb..Le, IAJ:i . L h 1·: h lo' a r·· l:: s funcl::Lng 'is F1rnding ;:-ld('!CjLidl':t'! 'i..o suppor·l: bol:h artists in the carrying out of I: h c~ -j l" ·.·i. n d :i.

IJ ·j elL! i'\ :1 E! r=· ,~ 0 I"' , ... ~; b e c rHI ,, (;! c o rn ITI j_ s s :i o n s h c:·l v E! ~; h o tAJ n a I" t i ~; l. s i~t r· e :;lrr~r~ ·:!l"·i .n...:J in "'·r -1 ih::· •:·1i"'~''ds ,)r·~ ih:'· a1"l::s <:1ncl al"('! ha~J:inq ci.Lr= ·r:i cu1L:y l:)C!Ct)IJl'il'!g ::·~;:· .. ·tbJi~;hed ·ir1 Lh:=o-il" Cl"aft.; fUl'lding i:1S L\JC!}]. f.(ll" ·j l'l f t' i·1 ~:~ I i" I I C l. I 11'' I'! r'.·1 1·1 cl r·

l) l" rehabi1itation of bu:ild::i.ngs For 1\Jo . 11-7 1'2:>S3

use by support place, Culture Province. thE! ar·ts; and ongoing of btri.ld :i. ng s a l.reRd y :i. n such as our Arts and C<'!ntres i.:hr'oug hout I:: he MY'. ~3pc-?.dkE!I", I bE!l.ic;!vc~~ thE! r'E!CE:1nt r·~OCII~:; by l.:hC! C-i.ly IAJ:i .: .. h l·.hc! Yul~k 'T 1·1 (! d l: i" ,,~ P Y' o j E~ c l: h a s p I" o b a b 1 y b r ' 0 I I 9 h i: d b 0 I I l. d ~;; :i. l: I I d j. "i, 0 1'1 I

A) h i C h he-.~~,; ~;C'!en a I"<:!I'IPIAJE~cl focus on the nf~c~d For· nol: j11:;t .-:1 rrl!H'C! bi"'O<·ld p1"ov:inc:l.01l dnd rnun'icipal policy, bul: C"l 110C!cl for' the~ cc;r•pc)r','ltC! cornrllul·1:il:y and thE! corpor·ate secto1" Lhr'Oitgholl·i·. 'chi.:; Pr'O\.Jince t·.o br-:!COillt':! :iiiVO]VE!cl lAriUI guvet~nrnE:!nL ITIOJ''(C!SO ·i:hdn 'i.l: hr.1s Jn L·.ht:! pds L. r-1 r' . s p (;! i:'l kc~H' ' l:: h (~ c d t j'•\ 1. y s l: c1 n cl Uw ::i.rnpor·t:ant ar'ea of this focus has t.o I:H'! gotJ(;!r'ntnE!I'll.:.

GoVC:!F'I'll'llf'!l'll:. ~;hould bt"ing back int:o pi"OPE!t" Focus the! nE~c->.ds of 1-:he ar-·Ls community and, - by JAJay of a COIIlfTJ..i.ssj ,un OJ" cl COillfll.i.t:l::eE!, comprised of good representation Fr·c::rn !:hE~ ar·ts comrnurd.ty, governrrwnl and murl'icipaltt:iE!S, is therefore able to come up wlth better· soJ.ut:ions, all:er·nat:iVE!S and l"(~co rnrnendd+.:-Lons IAJhUr'l:'!by IAJe Cdl'l !>He:! all levels of governmen-t: parttcipdte. the corporate T 1:.

IAJOUJ.d E!rlCOIJY'i:l9C! co1rtrnun~Lty wl ·1:ich, in FFtc:: l.:, ~~ 0 I" 'l. h;:-·ts no l r' t! .':'t "I ·1 y p J i.'t y :'! cl :. h ,:! of r·oJ H lA) E:!

IAI 0 U J d h a V (> J j_ k E:• cl ' . l. u ~:; ::! (~) Fl J i·lY i:.t i"'llrlil -i.ng ~~1 .1ppor·t i.hnr":O!by, L h u ~; :::. b(;~ c,:-11 .1 ~~ e -i. n ::! n c u 1 1 r· c:t 9 .i n 9 t.l·1 >:! r'l ,., l ·:; , J d I'· ~J f" I" I" 0 J H :i 1"1 p I"' 0 lJ j_ d j 1'1 q (-1'-Uiit l .. i"J,::! c::nr ·pct·'dl. .i.url';; l.<) LhH cornrnunt-L.y dt 1ai"9E:!, of · l:Oir;r·:;n, ~;;tlppOI" 'l. i.ng corporations the~selves uf l h u i" e c o t:J n i. t i o n IAJould I"·HcE~:ive, and suppor'l::ing :.:hl:!y L.he i:'tnd not C!lllployE~,,:•s L'Jho IAJOI "k Fu;" l·l--11:'111 LhE'! COTTirTlUI'I·:iLy il..sr::.lf.

WE! do !:;f-'!(! (o!i'lOU<:Jh oF l:hi-11 ". I)I"Ov.i.ncE:!. Lv e k n OIAJ on ;::~ n a -L j_ on d 1 a r· !:: ~~ and 1..2554 a 1·· ~'! ·Fund e cl by \Aii'1 y scholar·ships and so Jt.ll'lE:~ 1, 19 a a i.n ::hi .::; scale;! thE! oF gl"dl'lL!:~ on, V~TY Vol.

XI . well nationally, and I say very lAJf.:11.1., cer'l':aj.nl.y a lot: bE~l::t,:>.r than L.v E! s e e i n a 1 o t o f t h E:1 - p r o v j n t E! ·s , pdr't-i clllHJ"l.y l\Jr:~wfoundl and, \;.JherE! the cor·poratE! coiTIITJUnii:y nation<:l11y h ,,, ~; r' c"! c o g n :i .. z c::! d T ~:; 1 1 p p o ~; H b o c au s r.:! of thr:! national scop<:> of a Jot of i:hu~;(:• cor·,:JOi"di.i.ons hr:'t~; I~Pcogn:izr:•d !::he n:::o<:!d l:.o be ;:'t lll<'lj Ol" pdr·-t. ·i_c -i.pdnl: ·in ~:;tlppOI"i·.-LI·I<:J d I J. di"E:~as of tl·1e <.'li"'Ls cornrnunJ t·:.y.

It is unfor·tuncl-l:e fle l''fll(~i'll ".0d d 01~1n l:o e~nd municipal :Lt. has no! ·_: l: h e p t' o u :.i. n c i. d l J. <:! v e 1 L11h r:~ r' c:• <: o r· p o t" <:1 l.: i. n n s o i- r· f'! c:'l s o n ..::t b l. C:! s i z ''! could play a major par!:: in support U f' l: h (! d 1'' 1: :; C 0 lllllll.l l'l 'i. '1. y , L~J h (! i.: h (! I" .i \.:. be way of making provision For S C h 0 1 i'l 1'' S h i. p :; , 0 \,I L l" ·.i g h l:: g I" r'l !'1 1': S l·. 0 ar' ·U.sts, in ftHt, ~;uppor·to:i.ng tH' l:.

"L s L: ~; i'l s -i_ n cl i. v i cl 1.1 i'tl ~:; L n ~; u ill t! casE•s, Ol" pJ.ay:ing a rnajor' r·olr:! in L h E'! r· e h a b i. l ·i t a t·:. j o n o r: h i s 1:: o l" t c p r <=' rrti S E! S 1.-U h :.i. C 11 C Ol.ll d be U ~; (! d f' () r· Lhu ar·t~;. They could bee! "i.rtt..'O}t.!<''d in many, many al"E!dS, but I beliE!VE! govet'nrrtc:!nl': ITII .I~·;l:: 1:-.;:;tkc a J.t'!i:<td·.:Lnq role. As it has done with the recent:: announcetrtr.~nl: oi=- the sl:.ock pLII"Cht'ls•:! plan and funding agencies which c a n b e ~~ J e c:l oi. n l ... o 1: h e s t o c k purchaSE! pJ.an, thE! Si'l.fTIE!

SOI"t of .i 1IC!<-l IAti''it:!i"' () i.h :-:~ b11::. ·i_nc• :,:;. r U!l'lliil.!l'l i.l.y can bE:! encoUJ"d~JE•cl Lo ~JE~L -.invo1vE:·ci I.AJ"il .h ihc• C:•t: :CI'l<)lfJy, Ci:Hl O:·'lJ~:.o bud pdi"L of t.l1e Cll"i: .~; COI'I'II'IIUil:.i.Ly i'tncl ! .. !1::· •''· r I ~:; L: hi" 11 ~:; I. ,::, ~:; I~IC! 1·1 II,,, !•JC:! .''i ·! l. knot.~J, ~~ovE:!I"nrrlenL ·.it<;i:!lf canno ·l:. IJ!'' -1. h :;~ rHl :;; I~JC• r' ·i·. 0 r'1l-l 0 ( l·.i·l (! pI"

I) b l_ <'! il'1 ~:. of any given seclor of Lhe P r· o tJ 'i. n c C:! , o I' <:t n y g ·i. t) [.;! n p d r· t o F o u 1'-· E•conomy, bu'l can cer'ti:dnJ.y be a c <:·1 L: i·1] y ~; i:. ·l·. o s 1 :! e t-1 'I 1. -j n i. !· . .i. a t·. i ~J C:! s which can be taken advantage of d I" ('! a p p I" 0 i:'l c h (! d . r I •I 0 \ I ·: d ~:. u q (~ ('' ~:; L the corporate s<:•cl::OI" :i.n pal"L.:i.cu]al"' shouJ .1I bn i'tddl:•d l:o i.l:r:· 1i~;l:. ur::· 9 I" 0 U p ~; IAJ h j_ C h S h 0 \,11 d b (' pdJ"t .i.c::i.pat -i.rlg :i.r1 ,:q rnuch br'Ot'lder' way than they have in the pasL. No. ll-7 r~2554

Mr". ~ipE~r.~kc"~'", i:.t fet.v IAJE:!E:~ks ago, :in spe<:tki.ng t:o l.:h i.!; uor--y ~,;,:,1f1J(~ ~;11bj ec L ctt City Council, I made a ~;ugg::!sl.'.'i .on· Ci.l·.y Cotlnc ·i.J dr:iopl. d pol:icy of l·1i:.IV::i.1·1g a pt~!l"rnan~:!nt c o rn 11ri. I·:. i:. ~) '"~ l·: o i"t cl cl r· c~ s ~; L h e p 1" o b l. t·'! rn_ of the ,~ Al"t:s comrnun:i.ty and, in fact, del ·: .:·\S d ongo .. i.nq cunllrl':i.+.:l7 .C:!r:• duaJ:ing IAri Lh dl"ts and cu ltul"E•, and l:h.is COIIIITJ.itt~:!t:' b t''! comprised o·f representation from all areas of the arts community, as well as City officials and elected counc.illor·s.

Thc't 't. pos i.t. Lon IAJas accepted by the council and, in fdct ., l::he coJnpo!;Lt--.ion oF l::he committee is about to be announced . I IAJouJ.d say that initiative taken by C i. 1:: y - C u 1.1 n c i.l. i:t n d s 17. ~.., r' l.: !;;! d • T suppose, by the York Theatre P r· o j t"' c l: , I:H:' f u J l O!AIC! cl t: h r' o tJ g h i. n o·ll·tel" COITIIIIUI'1'.i.t'i.l"S tl ·tr'OU~JhOUt r,JHI.IIfounclldl'lcl dncl bC! t:·icd ·inl:o l:he pl"ovjltc:i.dl AI"Ls Counc::i.l and h 0 p (! f t illy , i:!

IJ l'! n i: I I r'l "I ly , :i. n l. 0 ;"( p I" o v :i 1'1 ci. t:'l J a I" h; f o u n d c-d: i o n 1.~1 hi c h co 11 .l rl b C:! ~; C! l: 11 p -1-: o p ,., o t) ·i, 1 I C! o n go ·i n g funding to c:-.~.11 ar"e~'ls of thE:~ clln-Ls c\nd COitld SC; !C'! 1:1-JE! COi"pOr't'\ 'l·_::! ~;t:!t:hH' t'iE:!d ·.iJtl·o tl·tf! fourtdat:ion, a!; 1 s u g g e ~; l: C:! d , ~; o t: h r:·d.: F 1 1 n rl :'i. n g , pl"ovi nctalJ.y, rnun:icipalJ.y and flnorn the~ cor·por'i:\te sc,~ct-.oln couJ.d c:\ll bee~ funnelled into a provincial f-ot .lnddl..

"i.un tAjh ·ich could IAJI)f"·k ·i.n 1-.iaison tAdth thE· va1"ious rn u n i. c i. p ''' l .i. l:. ·.1. e s I· o s e t:' l : h c:! a I" 1:. ~; commt .ln:it.-.y IAJas pi"OPE:'I"ly FunciE!d on an on •1 o .l n g bas .i s an cl n <) t: h.-:·\ v e 1·: o come back to governrnenk, as it s e C::! 1r1 s , cons · i. s L: E:' n t 1 y l. o o k .i. n g f o I" help almost every year. Mr.

Speaker, the 1 88 Sotree C (;! l. 1::! b I" d 1:: .i. 0 1'1 !:; h a V U i. 1'1 cl e H d ~; h UlAJI'I lAJf! :l · · · A ·r a r' (;! c :1. s L J. n c l: ·1 n rna n y tAl i:'l y s . -s .. lflt:!nl:. .i.unc:!d i.n ::hu Muc:•r:h l.i't!(C.:! debate, we are certainJ.y a t I ·i :.: 1·: -i n c l: s n c i e , .. _ y . J,.Jt::! ;:-\ I" : :• cl i ~-; I i n c :_ '1 .. , f 'l l . d :> IAJ (! . . d ~; .. a I" a ~; 0 U In C U . . ~ U I" ('! :1 ::; con c: e I" ned . r 1 I o no l. i: h i n k .:-~ n y bod y tAJO u 1 cl i:ll" g u c:! L h a I our' a r· t s 1 .. ?. !:) ~)

f) J 1.1 n e l , l 9 8 B \) o l X 1.. comrnunjty is cc.;!r'ta:inJ.y dj.!;tinct I'' n l. "' I. i. u n l: o l: h e r· C:! ~; t o F C c::HI d rl d . :in ~~o-:i.r'(:!t '~ 'BB .L:; ~;hot,~.ri.ng i'llr·c:•<'tdy l::he partic:ipation of our arts conununi 1-:y is gcd.ny l-.o bt:! r't 1naj Ol'' p a In t 0 f t h (! s u c c E! s s () f s 0 :i. I" E! E! I 8 H 'i. n ~3 1.: . John 1 ~; 1:-1 n tl r· H q ·i. o i"l i'li'! d .i. n l: h E• I"' E! S t 0 f t 1·1 (! PI" 0 V j n C C . I would J.ike to see more par·t i.c"i.pr.-d: ion by our· NE!tAifoundland artists.

In fact, I was disdppo:in+ .:E:~ d, I IAJoul.d haV('! t.o admit, w:i.th some of the Soiree cHl(:!bY'd'l::.i.ons L•Jh:.i.ch I hc:!dt' IAIC:ll"(! nol-. weJ.l represented by NewfoundJ.and c:lY't.isl~~; dl'ld COliJ.d h<.·\~Jl'! bl''f::!l'l. SOifiC:! of thE:! al"l:s cornrnunity has vo::Lcecl o b j ~~ c l: :i on to 1:: h i'l t and p o s s .i. b l y d.ghtly so.

Hot~Jeuer'. i l.: :is an ::i.rnpi"Ol.!E•rnen l: over· t.\JI'kl·l: lAIC' l'l<.'ttJC se~ :!n cil ':!tJelup. ()::. recently as five years ago, 1 IAIOII-Id !)IJggr:•::;l ., dny lrli'ljol"· c E! l C:! b I" c'l t j on :in l: his PI" o ~J :inc e LI!O u] d pr··obdbly nul: int:-l.titlc· •'l~; rnt'lny NetAJfoundland al"t.:ists as IAJE~ iH'E:! I'IOIAJ St'!e'.'i .ng r,~.J:i.Ur ~io .. ir·er~ 1 81l ~)() I.AJ(! l'ldl.JU COJfiU d 'lUi'ltj IAii.'\1), btJr ., Ml". SpE!ai<E•r, IAJe haVE! a 1ong t.~Jay to go, -Ln sp"i.l".l~! of the r'l:!cogn"i.l·:.'i.on oF the arts community, in spite of l:hl:! dC L·.-L v"i.

Ly .in rnn:; !·-. di"'C··d~; or l.:h:.:! PJ"ou:ince, as FcH' a~; t:he d e v C:! 1 o p 1 n c:• n +. o F t. h e i'tl' ' l:. ~:; --.[_ ~: c o n c E! I" n C:! d , t h e a c t i u i L y L\J i l': h h .l. ~J h s c h o o l ·Fe s i:. i. v a .J s , l:: h l! p 1 ,,, y s t.<J h .:L c h a r' E! b u i n ~~ E! n c o u r· a ~J e d , i:-l n cl l.~ I 1 1:• HX pel" 1. i. s e. (I ny bud y ,,_Jho hi'!::; witnessed any recent:: graduations "' n < I h i:'l v (! ~; (! H n 1--. h r~ I·· a 1 C! i 1 i · L n o u J" ~;c'!'woJ.s w ~i.l1 atb:!s'l: t:o l:hC'! futuJ"f:! o ·F 1·.-. i·H:! d I" i: s c o rrn r11.1 n i. ·1: y .

So L\JC! hi'ttJC:• COIIIi) •'\ Jonq tAii 'tY, but·, 1'-11" . ~) p C::! a k E· I" , I L h :i n k t.J.J t=:• h d v e:• <:1 -~ U 1'1<:] I.•J.~'! y i: 0 g (; . r: :. h ·i. i'l !< L\JI:' i'J.:H J (! :infJ"asl.:r·ucLUI"e jn plc:'tCe, ::Ln i:'i ]<)L u i- r: d s c• ·:; h i :; ·l'.ln·· i c ·:i n i7 r" '" s L I" u c l:. u J" e IAJh:ich Cdl'l i:JE:' put-. irtl'.O USE! by 'LhC '! 1\J o . 11. 'l r~ ~? !~J s ~::,

a I" t s community . tn closing, Mr. SpeahH', I thi.nk; most importantly, t>JE! have got to ]"(!COgniZE-) \AlE! rlE:!~>.r.l (::O hdV(! i:\ 1=-r·~:!Sh look at the mandate thE! ar·ts co1nrnuni.l:y has, l·:hH 1nc1nd(:tl:e l:hi .:; govel"nrnc-:•n'l:: l·1as put :in place, ar1d I I ""l ' ' ' ,.- ' :H~. l.(•lJU d COriiiTnSS 'lUrl 0 ·· f7!1'1C!Ii 'lr"'Y · .. i.nto the pi"E!SE!I'lt status of l..hE! I . . l ' I I . I l I I d r• i : S :) (! :1. n J. .: J. <:~ :. (! ( , l. ··. L1J 0 I I , C :) r,!

IAriSE:1 'if th:is i~; donE! as soon as pos:;:i .bl.e IArii.:h r'f:!pr·E-~~><-)ni":.dLi .on Fr·o,n aJJ areas of the arts community .-:-\ncl \Ale Foe''~' once~ aga ·i.n i.n •'1 Jc:J.I"gel" IAJay :i.i·, com:ing up wJI:h a IIIOI " C! pr:H'IIIiHlC!I'lL ~;O"l.lil::i.on, <'\ ].OI'll.:jt:!r' t.C!I"Ill ~;oJut::ion, Ml". ~~peai<c-?.1", IAlhich IAJOiild ~:;(:!e Uw <:'ll'''l::; •:·1nd cuTtiiJ"al i.'II"E:!dS of Ol.ll" E!COI'IOTJ'Iy, bC-?.CaUSE7! ·it doc::!S pl,,qy cl llli:ljOI" r·o ··.l.e ·"i,n Ol.lt' f'!COI'IOITIIJ and :in OUI" soc:ial liiJE!S, l·:hr:·\1:". 1·.hc:-1l·. llk\l"lc:idl·:::! bC:!

I"E:!I"l(!IAlHd 01'1C:7! again and a set of permanent r· f7! c OIJIITif'! nd d L·. ·-Lon s f o·r· d l. on g Ll:! nn solution be brought forward and, i·lOp(!FLill.y, lAJOUlci be,~ <'lCC(:~ph:'l.bl.r::! 1~.0 thE:: al"b; cornmuni·l:y, Mr. SpE!akE!I", and t.•H~ t..1.JO u l. d con t -L ntH! \Ali.+:. h ,., pa I" tm: r ship t ha ·[: hcl s bE!

E! n LAJor king to SOITIE~ ciE~gr'E7!e. rh~:' par·t-.ner·shJ.p bel:.l .l.lel:'rl the! dt'l:S community, society in general, and t h .L s g o v C'! r· tll n r-:! n :·: , c e\ n b ~~ e n h 1:·1 n c E! d by f:i.I"Jn l"ecornmt,!l'ldat:i.on~> to~JII"i ch COiil:l be c!l Fo1.1nci.~d .::.io n Fol'' d bc•l·.l:er · ~~ 01'19 ·· t.l"!I''ITI fu h.!I"E! fOI" 1..1·1(! cll"tS. T l11:i n k y o 1 1 , M I" . ~:) p e a kt~! r· . r-11~ . ~~~ J MM~:; : 1'1 r· :3 p n 1:·1 !< e r· r·1 :~ . ~:; P :::rl :< u~ : TilE'! hull. t-he,, Pr'E! ~; :i.cl (:! nt of thE! CUIII'lC "i].

Ml~. :HI\1W'J: M I" . ~3 pHd k C:'! r· , I a 1n clr::!l:i.ght:r::!cl l:o h; :,\\)C! c:-1n oppol"l:·.un -i l·.y 1-n ~::pHc~k i.n t.h"i.s dr::•balE! for tr::!n or· fiftC"!E:!n 1n i. nu I:.E! s. L2556 JunE• 1, 1988 Vol XL AN HON. MEMBER : Hl ~~ar·, hear·! MR. SIMMS : I appr'tc' cia t.o support. MR. SIMMONS : One clelegc~~e . ~H~ . S U·1MS : What IAJas that? SOME HON. MFMR ERS: 1-1 f:~ "'r · , h e •H' ! MfL ~Hr"!MS : fill) colleague 1s I am sorry, I did not hear my cou~;:i.n. Mf~. ~HMMONS : One dE!l E!ga ·te. MR. SIMM S : YE!S, onE! (lc->.lE:!gi:'lte . A ll. rn y c o l.

"1. e a q u (;! s <.'1 1" c,:! -L n l: 1·1 E'! backroorn thel~e, I knoLA.I, ]:.l.~;h"7!rdn~J 1.1.1:i. l.:h bi:'l +.: C:!d br· ~~at h to wha L I havE' to say. Mr. Speaker, on this par·tj.cuJal" rc:!so1ui:."i.on i.n+:r·oduCE!d by l:he member for St. John's East (Mr. J. 0 1'1 g) , '[ ~F·\ lJ I~ d S pH C i. f·\ l. i 1'1 (".:("!I" ('• S t and a per·sonal :inLel~e~:;L j_n lflcLny '~k1 ') ~:; , h <fll) ·.·i. n g h .. , cl t h u o p p or· !·· u n L L y lo SE!I"VE! this Pl"ov:i.ncE:! clS M:in ::i.sLt::!r· {) r c I I .I :: ll r· :~ • r~ ::~( ~I" p t'l i·· "i ,, n O'l n (I y

C) t I i h f 0 I" a p l'! I" :.i. 0 d 0 f" n E:! d I" 1 'j !.. h I" e t:'' ') C' d r· ~; , ~:;II c: C: H H c:i.i. 1'1 q ~;;()Ill() pI''::! l: ',. ') c:J 0 <) c i pf:!Op1c,!. As IAlE:•ll, Lhf''I"E:' i·ldtJ(7! bc•un ~::0111C' l.<lho hdiJC ~;IICCe(:•c·lt:!d 111£:•, <'tnd all of thE!Tn, to a per·son, halJC.:! on(• l.:h:i .ng in common, -inclL .Iri ·ing ,,ly ~;e "LF, and that i~;, I Ulink, L.1JC:: l:hOi"OIIljh-1 ') m:i n is t. f:! I" HnjO':)I'!c.l Ol .il" I.UI"llll"!'! ..:<~:; oF that particular c I o p d r· 1. 1 n f'! n t .

c) n ,,, o ;-:- i . i : t'! 111 d i. n l"eason~; fo1·' thai·.: par·r . .icu1etr· (! nj 0 y rn u n 1.: IAkl ~,; I:H'! c r:HI ~:. \0!

l) f l::; 1 (' cultural affairs portion, or di.lJ i.s·.:i.on, o·f the dep,jl''t:IIIE:!nt:. No. 47 R2 5':)6

MR. TUL.I< : You fllay have, nobody el.SE:' d:id. r"l R . Tf ~3li\11'-1S: . ho r1 . con-t-. ·i.niiC:! f:.i n e, .T fTl(c~l'llbE•J"S opposilE• to~.Jar1+.: 'i.nt:ur'r'llpt .i.ng, '\:ht'tl: havE:~ no pr·obl l'?-11'1 Jo~.ri. t:.h to ·j s it.. l'll.l'l . T do hr:-tl.JU ~;t)liJC'•l·.h i.n~J l o Si·l.Y 1,\J:i l h t s s 1.1 (:~ topJ.c think, r·t: :!SpE>.Ct t.o t.IIE~ pdl"l::l .c uldi" dnc:i IAdt..h J"<:!!>pC!CL Lo l·.:h<) IAJ hi c h :i. s v e I" y imp o I" l: r.l n l: , I and t IAJOul.d l.i .ke' l~o sdy .Lt. D Ll r· -L n g t h i"l t. t h t' <'! r:~ y E! a r· L t! n u r· C'! , i. n par·ticulal", Mr.

SpE!akl~!r', I had occc1s'i.on l ... o ITI<O!C'!I:: rnany, rnany gr·oups who were involved in the arts cornmun lt:y, all. Sf'!ctor·s. I IAJas inter·estE!d in J·lE!aJ"ing Uw coJTIITlE:'nts oF the hon. t.:hr :! rnernber· for WatE!J"fOl"d -·- l<<:>nrnount JJJho said ~~>o.i.r'e'C~ '8B is SE!l'' i.ng :intJolvelflont of Newfoundland artists like we hr:l.IJ e l'lt:• V (! I'' N E'! IAJ f o u n d 1 a n d S H U J'l b l:! 'i::- 0 I'' ''! a n d l a b r· a cl o r . I ·i.n arn n o 1: q 1 1 i.

L lC> c e r· t t:'l ·'j_ n 1.: h cl. t. ·i. ~; accuJ"cd :E!, and I si:ly t:hat br~cause 0 f i:l. p lo! t' S 0 l'1 d l. -i, 1'1 I J 0 llH! rrl (! rl [' [ h r:VJ d :;; thE'! min'istE~l" l"Pspons:ibJe foJ" l:hE! 4-00l·:h f1nn ·i.tJer ·s .'\r'Y Cul: ::br·,'ll:.:i.on:; e1 F E!lAJ y f'! a J'· ~' ago, :in :1 9 B 3 •· lAid s :it? -­ Oi" 'I 9 g!J .. Dut"ing t hctt pi.-ll"t'i.cular YE!ar·, I can LPll . hon. Jm,,rnbc~J"s or !:he 1/oltse, IAJ(·) j 1'1 ci 0' H cJ :i. i I <J () J I)(! cl ITI (:! li il:l ('!I'' S 0 f. l: hE' iu··i ·.s COIIIIIIUn"i.'l:.y, d'i.l l·.·.i'li"Ottghu11l·. Ull'!

Pov:i.ncE'!, in thE! many act·.:i.v:ittc~:s l'.:l1.:tl:: t.<.Jt'!J"n heJcl. lhdl ., p::!r'hc:'tps, lAJCl:> one of l.hE! rnost enjoyabll=! Y''!dl"~; I l:;!l)t!t' hdd i.n Ill') l ·iF,~. Becduse not only dJd I have the o p p o J" t. u n .. L t.: y o r b 1:'! i. n g 1·. h ~~ 1 n J n .. i. s t.: H r· l"e~.:;ponsib1e and be:i.ng Pl"oud of .it, h a v i. n 9 h <:-1. d o p p o r· 1·: 11 n _i. t i. C'! s l: o pt"orno l~.C'!

NE:!IAJfoundlancl a1 ·1d L.c~br·ador· ·in i.l··.s cull· :ur·p dnd hisl "oJ·'y on lfl6tny occas:iOIIS ouLside N'''lAJfouncllancl a~; U,J '" ll. i'l :; i. n s i. cl ('' I r I' I i:''· r'l 1·. h e oppol" Lun::i. Ly Lo fTI(!C' L rnr.:tny people> in 1':.1-w d r·l'. : ~; r:: Oilllill.ll'l U· y. f"'R .. 1_01\JC : I /.~~, 1 ~7 JunE'' 1, 19HH Vol. XL (Tn<:-l.ttd:i.b-1 e). Mr~. ~3IMMS: l t·.hc.·l.rlk l.ht;, hon. rnc:-Jnbc:-r' r:~ur t·.hi:tl·: . l-IE! j ~; pi"ObabJ.y get'l. ·.insJ l:.ha ·t:. fi"OI'Tl rn y c ow; i. n . 1,...1 e -, ., , Uw h c n . rn e 111 b e r· mr.1y not .

E!Ven I:.H:~ atAJ<:H'e of this, bul : t:l.IIIOJ'llj l·.hn lrlr"'l"l'j j:l('!Op .. !t~ .i.l'llJO .lVI:'•d .i.n L he aJ"t ~~ c omrn1.1 nJ.l:y c:'ll"~" r1":.L e ncl ~:; Et nd r·u]dl. ·ivc:; or rnii'lto!, ()1'1(:! or I.!.Ji'!Oifl, T be 1 i E! v E! , met y E· v en havE! bE! E! n 1: h P hon . mE!IIIbE!t'' s c(:·\lllpr:d .gn irli:Hlager·. Now,· l'lE! rnay not have been ctt.o~.JaJ"E! of' 1: ha 1~ .. MR. LONG: You have a lot of relations . Mf~. SIMMS: Y ~'! s . Not.o~.J, T i'll'rl no!~. ~; u r'C:' I.!.Jh('! l:. ht:~r· hE! t.uas your carnpcdgn ITICtnagE!I". I under·stand J·1 r::!

IAJ<.\S l~hc:! camp<'dgn rnanagel" fo1" Cleo! Ne1.vhook, fol" (o!)UIIflpO'I .n, .. in -l-:.!·1(:! l..-'1~;\· by -c:l(:•ct.ion . If it is lhe same person. Ml~. SJMJI-10NS: (lni.'ltldj bll:!). r·1 r~ . ~n M~~s : YE:!~;, Jimr11y Payne . 'J:Lmrny Pay1·1c': :i~:; lfl y ~> c: c n n rl co 11 :; ..i. n . AN HON. JI-1EM13 E R: Oh, 1ny Cod! MF~. ~3H1MS: wE! 11 , 1·1 E! is pI" o b a b 1 y L o o pI" o u d o r· 'i. t: 1:.0 !· H l1 y

I) i I . y (:~ ~; ) .] i.JII H:i s .I ::; <'~ ~; f:! c: on d cou~;i.n c1r rn:l. n E' . fal:her i.'!nd I c::ti"E:• fii'··~;L col.t::;ins, iCtnc:l h'i.~; qr·ar1clfdl::hHI" ttl'lcl rny lfiOLhE!Y' LUE:•l"E! bJ"othel" ancl ~;jsLE>l". AN l-ION. MEMBFR : f. kl'l C>IAJ i".hl'!l"'f:! !,1Jd~ ;; ~;OJIWI'.:hi .Jtq IAJJ"'Oi'ltj her·e. l'-1f~. SH"lMS : l·h.i:; ·i·; :Jiill Pr'lyl'l(!. COUS'il'l OVE!I" hel"E:!, :; ·j I It~!

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aL1.JiH'I::~ of hJrn. Anyt~.Jay, Mr·. Spc:~aker·, among the:~ many people I met and knew who are involved in ti·H:~ C:·lr ·l-.s cornmun i. Ly, were not only people who became F I'' ·j ('! n d s 0 r rn i. n (! ' s 0 rn l:! 0 F IAJ h 0 rl1 I"(;!ITJa"in rl'iE!nd~; Lo LI·Jis dc.1y dE•sp:ite pol i. f: L c d 1 d i. f F 1."! I" en c n s i. n Ilkt n y ways, but E!Ven ~;ornE! I"E!lat:iuE~s L~Jho h d V C:' r:-1 J. S 0 f r'l. .) } en b 1j t·. h C:! l..1Jr:-l y S i. d l~ and gotten involv~:!d t..~d.th another p 01. J t i. C c:'l J. p r:·l i" t.: y c:'l 1'1 d !) 1: h C::~ I" poltU.cc-d candidates.

J also had uccds:i.on, during that L. hI'(!('! lj ::! d I"!) d ~; l'l:i. n -L ~:; '[-: 0 r· 0 r:- CuJ t·ui"E:!, to bE:! COmE:! f<:t"i l"ly knOIAJJ.E~ci\j(:~c:lb-J C:! rHlcl i.J"llJOl.lJC!d I.<J"i.l.h l h~~ ~~t".t:!phenvoi]] E! fE:!stival :Ln mf.lny lllays, hdtJi.ng d·l·t· .nncler:l -LI:, J din ~;ui"C, c:•vHr'y ye<H' 1 1.~1as rn:inisLE!r' .:tncl SOJrlt'! yuc.'ll'" '~' ~;·i.nct:! IJJC:!J 'J.

T 1·.onk a ~11' -.E:~ a ·L :inter·E:!S L .in it:, and t.vas pdJ"l ·.i.cuJ.dr·Jy :i1npr·( :!sse cl IAJ.i.Lh i·.:!Jt '~ tA.IOI"k of Maxim Ma:zurndar, espE•cially t: h o=! c o u r' s ~:· s h e u s C'! c:l 1". o r· 1 1 n i. n tr·a:ining young al"t:ists in thE~ Province, who turned out to be very successful, as well as the Ft!St .J v6tl .. i.t.SE!l.f. ll~. IAJdS jusl~. ,,, magnif:icant week of activity and s t t 1.1 .i. s , a n d s t. "i ll t;.Ji 11. l:w , I hope, for many years to come. l i·1c~cl nutner·ous occas:ion~; to att:E~ncl P' '!r ·Foi"Jnancus ;::tl·. Lhe ()r·l··.s r:-tnd Cu] Lur·e CE:!ntl"e and at·: ti·1E:!

LSPU h <::t ·1 l. h e I" 1:• i. n 1:: h ·L s ;::1 i'"' u d , ·i. n pi:! I" ·! i cu] dl", and outs ::i.de 3t. John 1 s in ITI<'llllj Oi.hl:!i" lJI'!I'"III(!~;, ,JI"Jd J d11;.!i:.tys, cts l ~;cdd, C'!njoyE:'d rny~>E>.lr iiiiiTH '!I'lSC!ll) .

T IAIUlllri nc:•tJ<''i"' be: • IIIllCh of a Ct":iL:ic, I:.H: !Ccll.lse anyl:hing J ht'\IJ O dll -i:!nc:lc !d lj(•l : T hdtJC! r'lll~lt'l'J~ ' ~'!l"ljoyE :•d; T J·JbtV(c! l"lt:!~J(,,I" ~;(!('!n ··tl'llji.J!ing l,\11"··,:;119 IAJ:"i .I.Ji •HIIji.hi: ·l\j j.llli :1 n by r,, C!l~!r o u 11 cl1 an cl a I" L i ~; ·I ~' . n1.i. ~:J 1·1 I. e lJ en 17 U I' j t 1·. h cl n have a 1··. h (! do IAihO T1..1ri 1] in~:je~ Le.

I hdVt! not: lflt!L OrlC'! 1_2 558 June 1, 1988 bc•"l..l:f''l" fE:·(:!1 lllnlllbc:!r· F01" knot~J, and I IAii"'t s no I: , '1:: h a I: Vol XL Lhese ~rtists are very dedicated and committed to their particular p r· o f f:! s s i o n , tAli t h o u t CJ u E:~ s 1: -i. o n , · a 11 of them to a pE!rson, all of them. I a 1. ~; o k n OIAJ t h a 'l: t~.6 l:. h v c-:! r· y , v ''! r· y , v':!ry fE!W E!XCept.:ions, for the mo:;t pa1"t. l:.hE:!y hd~JE~ ('t str·uqgl.<:! Lo rni::tkr:· c~ r' l~' as on a b 1 E:! ltv in g .

I k n OIAI that. d p p l_ "i. (' ~; 'i.!) J'J'JO S 1".: 0 /::- i··. h H IJ'J L\IJ 'I 0 d I" :c! :involVE!d tn thE! al"ts cornrnun:ity. I supposE! +·.h;·.,:.: ·is nul ~ on]y ·LI"tlr:! hel"e in Newfound1and, that is pi"ObabJ.y ~~ h (! . c r'l s e L h r' () u 9 h 0 I I ., : () t h u r· p d I" t s 0 f Canada, and, indeed, ti'n"oughout ·i.hl'! I~Jor·l.d for' 1-:h.'lt lfld 1·:-l:<:!r', I:: hE! WPstE:~I~n IAJOI"ld at. 1t ~'ast. Wha ·l~ I ctlll 'i.r·yi.ns io ~>d'J ·i: ·; l-.1'1r'•.l: l i·k tcl SUIIIl:' pel"SOnaJ.

E:!XJ:!OI":iHI'lCE'!S ancl knOIAJ}C!clc:jE'' or I:J·w i;lC i". i.lJ "i.·l·. ·i.::••:; ur r,.lc!l!lfOIIrldl;:-:tiJd c~nd Labt"adol" c~l"t.:ists :i.r1 many, rni'lny ll)i:llj :; . T:i". IAJ;:'tS -Lnl:Ht"nst.i .nr::J Lhc~l·. LI""J(! ITJ(!ITII:H:•r' fol" WatE!rfor·d ·- KE>niTiounl: c1lso ~:;d.:i.ci 1: h •'~ t go lJ ::=!I" n 1 n e n L can n u L b n c,:! x p e c L ''": I lo pr·ov"id(! l:he anstA.IE!I"S Lo a11 Ll1:c• pr·ob1eln~; and di.Ff·icuJ.t:i.Ps associated with this particular i. s s Ute! . T t.o~Jo u 1 d h i:l tJ E'! +·. o c:1 g r· e C'! .

I would also say that government l'l i"·' S +: J'J t' <' j:l"' I' ·[- ·1' (' ll J ''II" .~ J " • ,) ,_,, •••••• , ••• , __ administration, br·ought in some pro g r· a nmH~ s i. n t··. hE! n i. n E:' s h or· t y E! a I" s it has been the administration, th ct t. ha tJ E! be;;!(:! n hdV(c! Sh01AII'1 an an -L,npr ·o lJC•HJ(!I'l'l ~ .• Ol" in' p r· o (.,1 E! n 1 C! n t:. f o r· L h , ,, c:l r· I ~; c () IJIITJII rl"i. L y L.abl"aclor. We:' ·i n N H t;.J F u u n ' 11. i:'l 1 1 d i:'t n d should not lake a br:'tC !<SCi'tl: l"t:!gal"cl;

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dCC(:!SS i;'\ srnc:\1.1 dHIOUnl:: of:- Funding fl'·om the Nc,~IMfoundJ and and Labrador () r· 1: ~; C 0 I I 1'1 C ·i. l. 1·: 0 h C:! J. p 9 (;! t 1: h d t 0 f r:· · t·. l1 E:! ~JI'·· o u 1 1 d , o r· h E~ 1 p g P t :i. t g o :i n g . l.>i"'i.or· i:o 1979, th(•J"t'! J~J.:t~; no rJE:!IAJFclUI'IdJand and l.abJ"acloJ" AJ"t~; c () Ll 1'1 c -j 'I .

The r· (:~ hk\ :; n (l r:- I I n d i 1'1 g i't~JE"!nue, you hdd to ~~o l:hJ···ou~Jh l:.he cl,:!p.:Ji"l·.l!l!o•nl: dJ'H .I hopt:• yo11 1rr:i.qhi.-. :~cJ"i'..1po i:l dollctJ" ' heJ"E! and thei"E!. l111i : r=!VI;!n t·.hr=• dl:!pi:-lr'l:lnt·n·i·., i.n Lho~;e days, really had no Funding d t; e n u e . ~:) o IJ.J C! d ·i d b 1" :i. n •J i. n 1:. h E~ Newfoundland and Labrador· Ar·ts Counci.l.. AN HON. MEMBER: Who brought it in? MR. SIMMS: Th.i .s goVE!r'nJ'nE:!nt br·ough+: .i.l:. i.n. TL has been s u ,~ J" o unclE! d a ·t l: i rilE! s uri t h contJ"ov~=!r·sy and ~;o on and so forth.

It has been argued that I:: hey do 110 l·.: h; :w e unough Fund i.nq. Nob o cJ y a I"' g u E~ s IJ.J·:.L t 1·1 that , c c,~ ,~ La :in 1 y n o t o n i: h J. s s :L d e . Y o 1 1 o b 1; J 01 1 s l y clt::!fc,~ncl IAJI·Jat. you l·lc~VE! clonE! as a g o v EH' n 111 ~:! n i: , IAJ:i l·.· l1 p r· :i d (! i:'l J'l d y 0 II d C k 1'1 OIAJ l. lc~ d \j C! that you have made some. s ·i. q n ··i. F -i. r: ''' n i: c h .:-1 n g u ~; ,:, n d :-.i rnpJ"OUE!I'IIent ~;. Bu l~. JA.JC.;! need l~o "i.JIIPI"Ol.J(:~ JfiOi"(:!, Ult:!l~r:! .. ; ~; no q1Je~; ·:. ion a.bout it.

And the-At is IAlhy, :in p r' ·i. n c :i ~) l.t~ I 1.1)(! hi'\l .J () no d ·j [·7 r·i .::Ill i \} :i. 1·1 :; u p p o r· l:. :i n g l:· h l'!

J" e :; o .1. u l:. ~i. o n p u l r::'or'th by the IIJC )J'Il b::!r' rei" ~)I· . .John I~=; F i't s t . !Ale h<.·J(J(;! 1r1dde sign:·i .r:i.cr'lni. d!lt.Jdltce~:; :i.J 'I aJ"l~.:; PI"09J"arnrn:ing and, :in fact, i.n h.Lqhl.j_gh·l:i.ng, ju~;i·.· hi ~J h 1 oi ~~ 1'1 t: '.in g , act ·.:i. viti E! s of t.: 1·1 E! ;u· 1· .. s c OlllJTil.ll'l i. l: y i·l'i. g h 1 i. g h t i. n CJ cultur~ in Newfoundland and LdbJ"<:'Idor··. rr:- 1 dlrJ nol·: rnisl~.dkHn, a:; r:~ JTJi:ti'..t:HJ" of fact., MJ", ~~pE!clkE!r , i. t.: IAJ i't '' L: h i s a d rn .i. n i s 1:: I" i'l I·· i o n , li>J h . .i. 1. ~; 1". :il.. rnay r1ol:: S(:•E!lTI l..oo mPan::i.ngfu1 l:o sorne, lAJhi.,;h r·<:!spond::!(l l.u t::l·w requests and lobb:ies or rnany PC'!Ople .i.n l··.h1 ::! ar·t.s COJIJJI'liJJ'l '·i.i·.y ·i·:o change