Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 29 April 2010 (46th General Assembly, 3rd Session, Vol. XLVI No. 13)

2010-04-29

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 29 April 2010 (46th General Assembly, 3rd Session, Vol. XLVI No. 13)

2010-04-29

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

April

29, 2010 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS

Vol. XLVI No. 13

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Fitzgerald): Order, please!

Admit strangers.

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: Today the Chair welcomes the following private members'

statements: the hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi; the

hon. the Member for the District of Humber Valley; the hon. the Member for the

District of The Straits & White Bay North; the hon. the Member for the District

of Mount Pearl North; the hon. the Member for the Cape St. Francis.

The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, on April 10, I had the pleasure of attending the Avalon Dragon's

fundraising Gala Dinner a major event to support the Avalon Dragon Boating

Association. It was a great show of support involving a tremendous number of

enthusiastic volunteers.

The Avalon Dragon consists of breast cancer survivors, their friends,

families and interested individuals who share the goal of supporting dragon

boating on the Avalon Peninsula.

Their goals, as survivors, are: to support each other, improve their

physical, emotional and spiritual health, celebrate life and have fun. As well,

to support their friends, families and communities by showing them that there is

vibrant, active life despite a diagnosis of cancer, and to raise awareness about

the role of exercise and a healthy lifestyle in preventing breast cancer and its

recurrence.

Avalon Dragon Boating has come a long way from when they "unleashed the

dragon", in October 2006.

They built their own boat in 2007. They moved into a new home on Octagon

Pond, Paradise in August 2008 and after just a few weeks of practice, they took

part in their first festival competition in New Glasgow, Nova Scotia where

they came second in one race.

On September 14, 2008, they launched their dragon boat with music, speeches,

dragon dancing by members of the local Chinese community, and a traditional

ceremony to awaken the dragon with at least 500 supporters in attendance. It was

a very moving moment and splendid to watch.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of the House to join me in wishing the Avalon

Dragon Boat Association continued success in their work and in their lives.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Humber Valley.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KELLY: Mr. Speaker, I rise in this hon. House today to formally

recognize the Winter Carnival Patron for the Town of Pasadena for 2010.

Mr. Speaker, this year's carnival ran from February 12 to February 22 and

contained a balance of activities for all age groups. Each year the patron is

selected based on their overall contribution to the community. This year, Madge

Rolls was selected based on her extensive involvement in the community.

Mr. Speaker, Madge has been extensively involved with several volunteer

organizations in Pasadena. She was involved with the Girl Guide movement for

eight years. Her other voluntary efforts also included the O'Connell Centre,

Pasadena Elementary School Breakfast Program, Pasadena Ski Lodge and Nature

Park, Pasadena Lions Club, and she is quite active with the St. David's Anglican

Church serving in a number of capacities.

Mr. Speaker, Madge felt honoured to be selected Winter Carnival Patron. She

was definitely a wonderful ambassador for the carnival and I saw her in

attendance at many carnival functions.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this hon. House to join me in

congratulating Madge Rolls on being selected as Pasadena's Winter Carnival

Patron for 2010.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of The Straits & White

Bay North.

MR. DEAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in this House today to once again recognize successful hockey in St.

Anthony, this time by congratulating the members of the St. Anthony Polars Atom

Hockey Team on winning the Atom I' provincial championship at a recent

tournament in Botwood.

I would like to congratulate the players who pulled of a stellar win, going

undefeated in their six-team tournament to pull off their gold medal finish.

Their hard work, relentless effort and attention to detail certainly helped led

to their team's success.

I also wish to extend my congratulations to coaches Jim Pilgrim, Eddie

Woodford, Todd Taylor and Kerry Decker. Their hard work and dedication to the

team has certainly contributed to their victory. Sports are very important to

the youth in my district and I commend the individuals who dedicate their time

to coach them.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this House today to join with me in

congratulating this team and their coaches and wish them all well as they

participate in future competitions.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Mount Pearl North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in this hon. House today to congratulate the Town of Paradise on

another successful Snow & Ice in Paradise Winter Carnival.

This year the carnival was based on Olympic theme. As I have been in previous

years, I was very impressed with the variety of events organized by the

committee. With the carnival running concurrently with the Winter Olympics being

hosted in British Columbia this year, it was quite fitting to see so many

Olympic themed activities.

Winter can be a downtime for many people. I think it is important to engage

the community and offer families the opportunity to participate in various

events and activities. Regardless of age, the Snow & Ice in Paradise Winter

Carnival had something for everyone. Special thanks to the Town Council, and in

particular to Jason Collins and Pat Silver, the Town's events and recreation

team. I look forward to attending Snow & Ice in Paradise again next year, and

invite all residents to join me. There truly is something for everyone!

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this House to join me in congratulating the

Town of Paradise, as well as the organizing committee of the Snow & Ice in

Paradise Winter Carnival in hosting a truly wonderful winter event.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Cape St. Francis.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KEVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in this hon. House today to congratulate the Torbay Volunteer Fire

Department on thirty-six years of service to the Towns of Torbay and Flatrock.

Mr. Speaker, the Torbay Volunteer Fire Department responded to 190 calls last

year. They put in 2,016 hours of on-the-job work and 2,793 hours of training. At

this year's Annual Firefighters Ball, they recognized Mr. Bob Webber for his

twenty-five years of service with the Town of Torbay. In my days as the Mayor of

the Town of Flatrock, I had the honour to work with Mr. Webber. He was in charge

of inspection of the town buildings. I was always impressed with his

professionalism and the thorough job he did. Mr. Webber is highly respected

among his colleagues. They look to him for guidance and advice. He is well known

for his commitment and dedication to the fire department.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to congratulate Mr. Rudy Bragg for being name

Firefighter of the Year for the Town of Torbay.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members in this House to join with me in

congratulating Mr. Bob Webber, Mr. Rudy Bragg and the Torbay Volunteer Fire

Department for their service to the Towns of Torbay and Flatrock.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Statements by Ministers.

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Innovation, Trade and Rural

Development.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SKINNER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Coming together and working together toward a common interest has many

benefits.

To quote the Newfoundland and Labrador Organization of Women Entrepreneurs,

or NLOWE as it is more commonly known, "the greatest opportunities arise from

pooling resources and working together to better export to international

markets."

As a government, we share this view and are working with partner

organizations like NLOWE to create new international business opportunities for

companies from across this Province.

Central to the approach of encouraging partnerships and collaboration is our

Business Networks Program. It is administered by the Department of Innovation,

Trade and Rural Development, and this program is advancing the export agenda of

local businesses. Through it, companies across a variety of sectors including

aerospace and defence, aquaculture, and manufacturing are working collectively

to improve their competitiveness.

Currently, the Department of Innovation, Trade and Rural Development is

working with NLOWE on a network of women business owners who have joined forces

to pursue export markets for their products and their services.

Through this network, business owners can leverage the advantages of being

certified as a woman-owned business by WEConnect Canada.

This internationally recognized certification can lead to increased access to

the supply chain of larger corporations and public sector organizations with

supplier diversity policies. Members can also acquire valuable skills related to

export readiness, market entry strategies, matchmaking, and contract

negotiations.

Ms Bernice Walker from Corona College in Grand Falls-Windsor believes that

networks and greater collaboration provide entrepreneurs with the keys to a

world of opportunities. Collaborating with other businesses and thinking beyond

the Province's borders has led it to generating business in Northern Canada,

United States, and as far away as South Africa. Corona College is one of several

network members, which also includes companies such as Applecore Interactive,

Pilot Communications and TeleLink.

In June, representatives of the network will be participating in a trade

mission led by NLOWE that will take them to Baltimore for the National

Conference and Business Fair. This conference will provide network members with

the opportunity to connect with global corporate buyers through a series of

one-on-one meetings. While in the Capital Beltway area that encompasses the

Washington, D.C. and Baltimore loop, members will also meet with other

businesses to explore potential linkages.

Mr. Speaker, I wish the network of women business owners the best of luck as

they proceed forward. I am confident that through greater collaboration and

partnerships they can capitalize on any and all opportunities to realize their

success.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for The Straits & White Bay North.

MR. DEAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to, first of all, thank the minister for an advance copy of his

announcement. I am glad I have to speak to the Chair because I find a glare from

that tie he is wearing today.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DEAN: Nevertheless, I would like to say to the minister that this is

a good announcement and we want to recognize that today and certainly would

praise NLOWE for helping women get started in business, and helping grow and

giving advice and so on.

Women owned businesses shows equality and it shows a competitive strength in

our Province. Certainly, we would want to support the Business Networks Program

and so on, and supporting the export agendas for exporting their products and

services created by female entrepreneurs.

I would congratulate the conference on being a success and I look forward to

more good announcements as well.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I too thank the minister for the advance copy of his statement.

As he has pointed out, NLOWE is a not-for-profit organization that fosters

women in business through their network of community-based business development,

co-ordinators, members, clients and partnerships in business. They have a women

helping women approach which guarantees that there is an understanding of the

unique challenges and opportunities facing women entrepreneurs. I am glad to

hear that the Business Networks Program is supporting this trip and I hope it

will be a successful one for the Women's Business Network.

In my past life, before being in this House, I did a lot of work with women

going into various aspects of work and did meet quite frequently with women

entrepreneurs. I know some of the barriers that they face. One of the barriers

that often prevent women from entering the workforce or starting a business is

lack of child care. So one of the best things this government can do to

encourage more women to enter the workforce is to implement a meaningful child

care program and I encourage them to continue looking at this issue, which I

continue to speak to, Mr. Speaker.

I want to congratulate NLOWE for playing a leading role in assisting women

entrepreneurs develop and grow successful leading edge businesses. Good luck to

all those participating.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further statements by ministers?

Oral Questions.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Natural Resources. Minister, on Tuesday of

this week in Question Period when responding to a question regarding Abitibi and

how you found out about the blunder government made in expropriating the mill,

you referenced Enda, a searching company here in St. John's.

Will you undertake to release to the public immediately and table in this

House the report and the supporting documents provided to you by that searching

company?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources and Deputy

Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yes, Mr. Speaker, we did hire Enda Searching to do the land consolidation

registry, to move the land from Abitibi's name to the Crown. Mr. Speaker, I will

go back and I will get the documents and whatever can be tabled here in the

House, I will be more than glad to do it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, the minister refused in the Estimates Committee the Minister

of Natural Resources that is - and here in the House of Assembly recently, to

provide details about the $8 million government has spent so far with respect to

the Abitibi issue. The minister advised, at that time, the Opposition to file an

FOI request, which we have done.

In the public interest and for openness and transparency, will you at least

undertake to disclose immediately the name of the law firm or lawyers who

provided advice to government regarding the NAFTA implications of Bill 75 prior

to Bill 75 being introduced in this House in December of 2008?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Deputy Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Mr. Speaker, some of the problem we have in dealing with

the Opposition is they have such difficulty in getting information correct. I

have not done my Estimates yet, Mr. Speaker, so it would be very difficult for

me to refuse to provide information in Estimates when they are not due to take

place until May 17. However, Mr. Speaker, I will undertake to make available

whatever information that we have in terms of the $8 million professional fees.

Mr. Speaker, I have said time and time again we are not trying to cover

anything up here. We are being completely straightforward. We are saying what

happened and what the circumstances were that led to the circumstances we find

ourselves in at the moment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister, the Department of Justice routinely, every year, gives a listing

when asked by the Opposition of all legal fees that are paid to any lawyer for

work outside of the Department of Justice, no questions asked. We asked it last

year and received it, asked this year again and the minister is in the process

of compiling that information.

Why are you refusing in your department to release the information about the

$8 million that you paid to lawyers for Abitibi so far?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I just undertook to make available all of the information that

we could without interfering in any kind of way with proprietary information or

whatever. Whatever can be released, we are going to release.

Mr. Speaker, all of the $8 million are not legal fees. Enda Searching is part

of the $8 million, which I told the Leader of the Opposition during Question

Period this week. CRA, which did work around environmental remediation,

particularly as it pertained to Buchans, is part of that $8 million. So it is

certainly more than legal fees. Again, Mr. Speaker, whatever we can make

available we will certainly make available.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: My final question for this minister: Minister, can

you confirm that there was indeed legal opinions requested and obtained by your

government with respect to the implications of NAFTA prior to introducing Bill

75 in this House in December of 2008?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources and Deputy

Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Yes, Mr. Speaker, we asked a variety of questions. Let me

point out once again to the Opposition House Leader, Mr. Speaker, that we shared

what we had learned up to that point with the Members of the Opposition when we

were about to introduce the legislation. Whatever we had, what we had been

advised that NAFTA implications might be, in our briefing meeting with officials

that took place in the Opposition caucus room, Mr. Speaker, we shared whatever

information that we had at that time.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

For the record, at no time during any briefing was the Opposition provided

with copies of any legal opinions that this government had obtained with regard

to NAFTA. I just want that on the record, for the record.

Mr. Speaker, my next question is for the Minister of Education. Minister,

earlier this week the President of CNA resigned. There has been some confusion

given the multiple explanations as to what precipitated this action. We were

first told that CNA has mismanaged their payroll and benefits to the tune of $5

million. We are later told that last month the college signed a one-year

extension to the Qatar contract without proper authority and authorization.

Would the minister explain how these two items are related, and were they

both involved in the sudden resignation of the president?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KING: Mr. Speaker, I do not think the confusion is in the

explanations I have provided, it might be in the

interpretation the Opposition

has put on the explanations I have provided. I have been very clear on what has

transpired.

In the first instance, the issue of the one-year contract extension, I made

it very clear last week, or last Question Period, when I talked about our

relationship in working to support the college. I provided that as an example of

an issue that we encountered as a government, and we worked and provided support

to the college president and to the college executive team in spite of protocols

not having been followed by the president at the time. In spite of the president

doing this of her own accord, against the protocols and the expectations of

government and the college board, we worked with them to resolve the situation.

I offered that, Mr. Speaker, as an example of the kind of support that this

government has provided to the college system.

The second item, Mr. Speaker, I have also been very clear upon, is that the

resignation came to me at approximately 4:00 o'clock Sunday past and I received

it while I was en route back from my district to here. There was no discussion

with me, between me and the college president. I have been very clear about

that. There is no confusion from this side of the House on what transpired there

and we announced it shortly thereafter.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, earlier this week the Minister of Education challenged the

Opposition to go to the former president and find out from her what caused this

resignation. As you well know, minister, the former president of CNA is subject

to a gag order which you placed in her employment contract.

I ask the minister: In the public interest and to ensure complete openness

and transparency, would you agree to remove the gag order and allow Ms Madill to

tell her side of this resignation?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KING: Mr. Speaker, certainly I do not have to stand here and talk to

the Opposition House Leader about contracts and about legal law and how you

interpret legal law. Certainly, Mr. Speaker, I do not have to stand here and

explain that in Question Period today to the hon. member opposite, I am sure of

that, but I will, if you would like me to, Mr. Speaker.

Let me give a little quick history lesson, the senior contracts that are

signed by officials with this particular government, with senior bureaucrats and

officials of the College of the North Atlantic or school boards or health boards

or any other organizations, Mr. Speaker, that we are engaged with, are no

different than they have always been. We did not invent the wheel on that. There

have been many previous governments who have employed senior officials with the

same kinds of contracts. So certainly, Mr. Speaker, a former Minister of Justice

ought to recognize why that clause is put in place and why it will stay there.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I remind the minister that it is not me he has to explain anything to it is

the people of this Province. I guess from his answer, the answer is no, he is

going to keep the gag order on the former president.

Mr. Speaker, minister, you had told us that CNA overcharged the Qatar

government $2 million for administration and there was a $3 million salary

overpayment. What, and who, caused these overpayments, and why are we not

seeking reimbursement of the $3 million salary overpayment?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KING: Mr. Speaker, I hate to have to repeat myself over and over in

the House of Assembly here but the member opposite keeps asking the questions

that require the same answer. This government has taken a very proactive step in

calling for an external review. If I had the answers to all the questions that

the member is posing, there would be no need to do a review. As a matter of

fact, Mr. Speaker, we would have all the problems solved. We do not know why the

events occurred. This government did not make the decisions that put us in this

situation. Under the leadership of the former President of the College of the

North Atlantic, that group made the decisions that put us where we are today.

Now I will gladly, gladly share with the public, as I have already said,

anything that we find out that we can do to rectify this problem and correct it

so that it does not happen in the future. The member opposite is quite welcome

to that information when I become in possession of it, Mr. Speaker, but I do not

have that. That is why we have called for an external review to look at the

whole situation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The minister cannot speak out of both sides of his mouth. He says on the one

hand, we are doing a review and we will give you the answers. He has already

publicly announced that we will not seek reimbursement of this $3 million. So

you have obviously made some conclusions already, before you get back the very

report you are talking about.

Now, minister, we have seen this government chase people for workers'

compensation overpayments, social service overpayments, and school tax that have

been outstanding for decades, yet you are refusing to go after this $3 million

which you acknowledge should not have been paid. Would you explain the logic of

this decision and why it is okay to write-off $3 million of the taxpayers'

money?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KING: Mr. Speaker, let me say this, that I will gladly stand here

today and use logic in my explanations if I thought the member opposite would

actually understand logic. What is very clear from the last three days' line of

questioning, Mr. Speaker, that logic is not the rule of the day here, and

leadership on the other side is not the rule of the day.

Perhaps, Mr. Speaker, that is why they are coming back from the political

grave today in the name of a former Premier who lost to the leadership on this

side of the House in the election of 2003, because they did not have what it

takes to provide leadership to this Province. Well that is what we are doing.

That is why we are reviewing the situation, and it is why we are going to get to

the bottom of it, and it is why we will fix it!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Now maybe that we are past the rhetoric, maybe the minister would like to

give the people an answer to my question.

Why are you not seeking repayment of $3 million, which you acknowledge should

not have been paid out to this staff in the first place? Maybe we can have a

straightforward answer, without the rhetoric.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KING: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I will try to be as straightforward in my answer as I always am. It becomes

very challenging when you provide a straightforward answer and it is not

understood by the member opposite, Mr. Speaker.

What I have said are the facts as we know them today. The $3 million the

member references, for the record, let me just say that it is a very, very

unfirm' number. I have talked about $3.5 million, $4.5 million but I have also

said, Mr. Speaker, we have shared those numbers to give people of the Province

an idea of the magnitude of this problem, to make sure that the whole issue,

from my perspective, is very open and very transparent.

I could easily do what the Leader of the NDP wanted me to do three or four

days ago, washed my hands of it, abdicate my responsibility, walk away, pretend

it never happened, write-off the $5 million and perhaps do as my colleague the

Minister of Tourism would say, add it to the NDP debt clock. I could have done

that, or I could have done what the Leader of the Liberal Party asked me to do

which was the complete opposite.

Well, Mr. Speaker, we are taking a responsible action here and when we

determine what exactly has transpired here, and when we determine the

appropriate actions that need to be taken; we will take them. Until such a time

as we have the information to draw the appropriate conclusions, I am not

prepared to stand here and speculate for a bit of political posturing on the

other side of the House.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is nice to see that the Minister of Education thinks letting $3 million go

down the tubes is a bit of political posturing. It looks like he is not prepared

and will not give the people of this Province an answer. We will find the

answer; we will find out why. This is not over yet.

I will move on at this point, Mr. Speaker. The Premier was in Ottawa this

week for meetings. While he was there, we certainly hope he visited suite 1604

on Metcalfe Street, also known as the empty office of the Province's Ottawa

representative, as the empty space is costing the taxpayers of this Province

almost $100,000 a year in rental expenses.

I ask the Premier, the position of the Ottawa representative has been vacant

since January: Is there any necessity to be throwing tax dollars away for the

position that has proven to be totally ineffective?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, during that trip I really did not have

time to put my feet up and have a cup of coffee in the office, to be quite

honest with you. From the time we landed until the time we left, we were very,

very busy. We went through an extremely successful group of meetings.

I met with Minister Strahl with regard to Aboriginal issues and actually

dealt with the Innu issue and the lands claim agreement and facilitated an

upcoming meeting between the Innu Nation and the federal government. That will

take place, hopefully, within the next couple of months.

Then, we left there and went to the House of Commons where we were very

well-received, favourably received by all parties in the House of Commons which

is very nice. Then proceeded to an in-depth meeting with the Prime Minister and

discussed a broad range of issues commencing with the fisheries, and the Lower

Churchill, and Coast Guard and rescue and a host of issues.

Mr. Speaker, because of his time frames, we then moved on to another meeting

and moved to the meeting with the Minister of ACOA, Keith Ashfield, and

discussed funding for the Province with regard to the Atlantic Gateway, the

Northern Gateway and a lot of other issues. Then, met with the minister

responsible for the Province, Peter MacKay, and started with discussions on

Labrador, 5 Wing Goose, Search and Rescue, and, again, another host of issues,

and then finished up with a very, very fruitful meeting with the Minister of

Finance with regard to the acquisition of the eight point five interest in

Hibernia.

So, no, I did not have time to stop at the Ottawa office.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I appreciate the Premier's update as to who he did see there. Obviously, he

did not go by 1604 Metcalfe.

Mr. Speaker, it has been reported by The Telegram on a recent visit to

Ottawa that newspapers were piling up by the door and there was no presence at

this office. Meanwhile, there is $378,000 budgeted for this office this year,

including a support worker making $54,000 a year.

I ask the Premier: What is the current status of the office? Is there anyone

still on the payroll there, and if so, what are they doing when we do not have a

representative in Ottawa?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, we still have a presence on the ground in

Ottawa, as the office is staffed. We are maintaining that office because that

office has been very useful for meetings when ministers attend in Ottawa; they

use it on a frequent basis.

I had conversations in Ottawa whereby people in Ottawa on the ground spoke

extremely very, very highly of Dr. FitzGerald, who is referred to as Dr.

Feelgood by the Opposition. I refer to him as Dr. Sealgood because of all the

fantastic work he has done with regard to promoting the sealing industry in

Ottawa.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: So we intend to maintain that office. We intend to keep

it there. We think it is very, very important that we have a connection. We

think it is also very, very important that when ministers go to town that they

have a place where they can operate out of. In fact, we will be looking in the

very near future then to recruiting to have that position refilled.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Both New Brunswick and Manitoba closed their offices in Ottawa. It is

certainly obvious that our office has had very little impact as the past few

years have represented the most strained relationship our Province has ever had

with the federal government.

I ask the Premier: Are you prepared to follow the lead of these other

provinces, let the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs do his job, save the

taxpayers of this Province some $400,000 a year, finally admit the experiment

did not work, and close down the office?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, I can tell the hon. member opposite what I

am not prepared to do. I am not prepared to give up fighting for the interests

of the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Time and time again we have aggressively challenged

Ottawa on major issues of importance to the people of this Province. The first

round that we had with the former Liberal government, we came back with a cheque

for $2 billion, so I would think

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: I would think our balance sheet is in pretty good shape

at this stage, but we do intend to fight for the interest of the people of the

Province, but at the same time we have also proven during the last round, which

we consider to be a goodwill round, met with all the senior representatives of

the federal government, all of the ministers were made available to us on

reasonable notice, they were prepared to discuss any issues of importance to

Newfoundland and Labrador, so I think at this stage, as a result of our efforts

in fighting for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians we have the respect of Ottawa.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I say to the Premier, I would not crow too loudly about the Accord money

these days. By the time we get Abitibi settled there might be none of it left.

Mr. Speaker, we requested travel claims for the former Ottawa representative

through FOI and we were charged significant fees; however, we did pay for his

2007 travel claims to get a glimpse of his activities. As outlined in the

documents, the former Ambassador charged the people of this Province seventy-two

taxi trips from his private residence to work. There is nothing in his

employment contact that permits such claims and no other public servant is

permitted to claim travel to and from work each day.

I ask the Premier: Why did your office sign off on these travel claims, and

do you consider it an appropriate expense to be reimbursed by the taxpayers?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, now that the hon. member opposite has

raised it let's talk about the Abitibi exercise and let's talk about what we

have done with regard to Abitibi.

The hon. member opposite knows, he is a lawyer, he is trained, he knows what

the consequences would have been if we, in fact, had not acted on the Abitibi

file. If, in fact, we had stood back and had not stepped in when we did and had

not expropriated the property, one of two things would happened, either the

property would have been sold and the assets would have gone outside the

Province, and the people of the Province would have no say or no interest, or

otherwise they would have entered into a receivership, or a bankruptcy, or a

consumer protection. At that point as well, the assets of the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador, our timber, our land, our water and our

infrastructure would have been gone. We would have been left, however though,

with the environmental responsibilities and we would have been left with the

responsibility that we had to the workers in Grand Falls-Windsor, Botwood and

all the surrounding areas.

What we did, Mr. Speaker, because we had those assets, we, in fact, will be

in a position, if we have to, to do the environmental cleanup. We have put

nearly $50 million into severance and the hon. member opposite has stood up and

has knowing the difference said that dealing with Grand Falls and dealing

with the Grand Falls mill we have incurred liabilities, environmental

liabilities of over a couple of hundred million dollars. That is just absolutely

untrue untrue.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I guess we will see at the end of the day when all the court dust has settled

on the court cases as to what we actually are going to be on the hook for.

I will just ask the Premier: Would you like to give us an answer to my

question about the taxi fares of Dr. Feelgood?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, it is obvious the priorities of the

Opposition. You know, we are here today we have a fishery that is being dealt

with, that is very, very important to all the people of this Province, to all

the communities in the Province. Have we heard a question on the fishery today?

Not a question.

AN HON. MEMBER: No, not one.

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Do you know what the hon.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Maybe you will make some up now. Well, good for you if

you make some up out of it after.

What the hon. member opposite is concentrating on today is the Ottawa

representative getting a drive in bad weather from his office to the House of

Commons where he does his business. Now if you want to concentrate on taxis,

then fill your boots, but I have more important things to do.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, we have been speaking to concerned residents of

Bell Island relating to the disruption of their ferry service in recent weeks.

While there are a number of issues being raised, the immediate question of

residents is when will the Beaumont Hamel be returning to service?

I ask the minister, Mr. Speaker, when will the refit be completed and will

the Beaumont Hamel be returning to the Bell Island run?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HEDDERSON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In response to the question from the member opposite, the Beaumont Hamel

right now is into the last inspection stage. She will be back within the next

couple of days and back on the Bell Island run.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, the motor vessel Captain Earle W. Winsor ,

which currently services Fogo Island, Change Islands is apparently due to go on

dry dock for maintenance at the beginning of May. This is causing significant

concern for many people, considering that the crab fishery only started a couple

of weeks ago in that area and tourist season is about to begin. The spring and

summer months, Mr. Speaker, would be the absolute worst time to take the

Winsor out of service.

I ask the minister: Why is the Winsor being pulled out of service at a

time that is particularly disruptive to the ferry users and will you consider

delaying the refit to the fall months?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HEDDERSON: Mr. Speaker, I am well aware of the challenges that we as

a government have in dealing with the current ferry fleet that we are managing,

and managing as well as we can. Again, it just kind of irks me a little bit, Mr.

Speaker, to get up and to have someone from across the way talk about ferries

when the last ferry that was built, the last two really, were under the Peckford

Administration. For fifteen years this former Administration ignored this fleet

and left us with a legacy of trying to manage. We are doing as best we can under

the circumstances. Of course, you also know on the other side that we have made

significant investments. As a matter of fact, $55 million in this particular

Budget to try to deal with the issues that we have.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HEDDERSON: So, I say, Mr. Speaker, I am working very closely with the

people in Fogo to make sure that we are doing everything we can with what we

have to ensure, not only service to the people, but that economic piece as well.

We have worked out with the Fogo committee a

schedule that will certainly

address their particular concerns.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi

Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, in January, Eastern Health informed the public that they had

developed a plan to deal with the rheumatology outpatient wait-list because of

the impending loss of a doctor in May which will bring them down to four. As a

result, 1,000 people with chronic non-inflammatory symptoms were dumped on

family doctors who do not have the expertise or time to deal with these

individuals. Rheumatologists say this is not a good change. Though there are

four rheumatologists at present, in practice the rheumatologists say there

really are only 2.5 of them doing full-time clinical work because of teaching

and research commitments. Also, their workload will increase astronomically

because we have a rapidly aging population.

Mr. Speaker, I ask the Minister of Health and Community Services: What

immediate action is he taking to recruit rheumatologists?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As I have indicated on many occasions in discussions in this House about

health care, it is a very emotional issue, it is one that affects people's

lives; it affects everyone on a daily basis. The issue, Mr. Speaker, also

relates to politicians and the people who serve in this House.

We know from what has gone on with the air ambulance again, the height of

the emotion. I say to the Leader of the NDP, I understand that in a Facebook Web

site that was put up in St. Anthony, in talking about the Premier, that an NDP

candidate of record suggested that the symbol for the Web site should be a black

heart with a bullet hole in it. Is this the kind of action that is supported by

the Leader of the NDP or is she going to do something about that? That would be

my question to her, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker -

Mr. Speaker, I asked a question of the minister and he has not answered it.

Mr. Speaker, there are 89,000 people in the Province suffering from some form

of arthritis. The outpatient wait times are 9.6 months for someone with an acute

inflammatory condition or forty-two months for chronic non-inflammatory

condition. Successful management of this debilitating disease needs prompt

treatment. Delays mean peoples' conditions will worsen. Mr. Speaker, we have a

serious situation with regard to people suffering from the various forms of

arthritis.

This minister has not answered my former question, so I have to ask him: How

can he continue to do nothing in the face of the suffering of so many people in

this Province?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, on March 30 I met with Brenda Kitchen, the Executive Director of

the Arthritis Society and we discussed this issue of the shortage. We had an

appointment set up with Dr. Hamilton, one of the rheumatologists, but he could

not make it that day. So, Mr. Speaker, we are taking steps.

In relation to an allegation we are doing nothing, is what is the Leader of

the NDP going to do about that candidate of record who made this comment that

the Premier should have a - the symbol should be a black heart with a bullet

hole in it? Do you support that position?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I remind the hon. members again to address their comments to the Chair, not

to individuals.

Further questions?

The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, governments across the country, including our own, are starting

to expand

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MS MICHAEL: Mr. Speaker, I want to make one comment before I go on with

my question. I am not responsible for the behaviour of people outside of this

House of Assembly. I am responsible for myself, and I will not

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The time for Question Period is getting nigh. If the hon. member has a

question I ask that she pose it now.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, governments across the country - including our own - are

starting to expand medical schools now after years of ignoring the problem of

doctor shortages. The unfortunate thing, Mr. Speaker, is that these new spaces

will not produce doctors for another ten years, and in the case of

rheumatologists it is twelve years.

I ask the minister: Considering the toxic environment government has created

around the doctors' negotiations, what are his department's plans for being able

to recruit doctors to this Province?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am glad that the Leader of the NDP mentioned the expansion to the medical

school. That is a very important step that we have taken, and one that I

understand Dean Rourke was on with Randy Simms today speaking very positively

about.

Mr. Speaker, in the last year, in 2009-2010, we had nineteen family practice

residents, of which seventeen are going into practice. Fourteen are practicing

in this Province, so we have retained fourteen of them. Twenty-seven

specialists, Mr. Speaker; and, of the twenty-five going into practice, seventeen

are practicing in this Province, so we are retaining specialists.

Mr. Speaker, again, when she asks what the government is going to do about

things, what is she going to do about that site and the allegation or the

insinuation that the Premier should have a bullet hole through his heart? Is

that the kind of policy supported by (inaudible)?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Time allotted for questions and answers has expired.

Presenting Reports by Standing and Select Committees.

Tabling of Documents.

Tabling of Documents

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

MR. MARSHALL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Pursuant to

section 5 of the Local Authority Guarantee Act, 2005, I wish to

table the attached list of loan guarantees provided to local governments to

enable them to arrange interim financing for their capital projects. The total

of these guarantees is $6.5 million, and the projects financed include: water

and sewer, $6 million; street paving, $0.3 million; and, municipal buildings,

$0.2 million.

Mr. Speaker, the last report under this act was tabled on April 28, 2009 and

includes guarantees usually up to and including 31 March 2009. The current

listing covers the period from April 1, 2009, to March 31, 2010.

MR. SPEAKER: Further tabling of documents?

The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.

MR. MARSHALL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Pursuant to

section 49.(2) of the Financial Administration Act, I wish to

table the attached list of temporary loans that were raised under

section 48 of

the act since our last report to the House on April 28, 2009.

Pursuant to

section 55.(3) of the Financial Administration Act, Mr. Speaker,

I wish to report there were no guaranteed loans paid out by the Province since

the last standard report also on April 28, 2009. While there are none to be

tabled, it is necessary to indicate that in a report to this House.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, pursuant to

section 55.(1)(2) of the act, I wish to

report that there has been no guaranteed debt of any Crown corporation or agency

assumed by the Province since April 28, 2009, (inaudible) report.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further tabling of documents?

Pursuant to

section 10 of the Public Tender Act, I hereby table the Report of

the Public Tender Exceptions for March 2010 as presented by the Chief Operating

Officer of the Government Purchasing Agency.

Further tabling of documents?

Notices of Motion.

Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given.

Petitions.

Petitions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I stand today and present another petition on behalf of the residents of

Hickman's Harbour, Clarenville, Lady Cove, Random Island, Monroe, Milton,

Georges Brook, Pilley's Island, Elliott's Cove, Lower Lance Cove, Britannia and

Shoal Harbour.

I have to say, Mr. Speaker, I think mostly all of those are in my hon.

colleague's district, or just about all of them anyway.

Mr. Speaker, for the record, I would have to read it in again. I think that

is the practice.

WHEREAS we, the residents of Newfoundland and Labrador, have always built

cabins or tilts away from our homes for hunting, fishing, berry picking or just

spending time up in the country, or places around our shores, sometimes just to

get away from the stress of everyday living, a place to relax and enjoy the

great outdoors; and

WHEREAS your government has come down hard on the thousands of cabin owners

and trailer owners that are out on our land with eviction notices, and forcing

them to move without providing them with an alternative; and

WHEREAS Kruger Inc. has timber rights to approximately one-third of all

forested land on this Island and is refusing the vast majority of applications

for cabin development;

WHEREUPON your petitioners call upon all Members of the House of Assembly to

urge government to have compassion on the citizens of this fair Province and

allow them the right to enjoy what is rightfully ours. We were born on this land

and should have the right to enjoy it.

And as in duty bound your petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, that is just another of many of the petitions that I have. What

those people are saying, Mr. Speaker, is that they have enjoyed the great

outdoors in various ways for the last forty or fifty years. Their families have

grown up since they went out, whether it is in cabins or trailers, and enjoyed

the great outdoors. It is a long-standing tradition. Mr. Speaker,

notwithstanding, if there are environmental issues, those people, what they are

telling me, if there are environmental issues then let's deal with them, but sit

down with us. Do not just go through the process that happened last year.

Mr. Speaker, I receive phone calls each day after I present those petitions,

from other areas of the Province and they are saying: Look, explain to the hon.

House of Assembly that we cannot afford to pay $45 or $50 to spend a night in

Pippy Park. We cannot afford to pay the $25 in many of our parks.

Now, since this has happened and they know what is happening around this

Province, there are parks in Central Newfoundland where the annual fee was

$1,500 a year for those senior citizens and now the fees have gone up to $1,800

a year. They are just saying, Mr. Speaker, we cannot afford it. We are asking

government to reconsider what they are doing, and sit down with us before they

just tell us to take our trailers away, or our cabins away, and destroy them

like the ones I mentioned yesterday.

Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to be able to present those petitions on behalf

of those residents.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: Further petitions?

The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave, on another petition?

MR. BUTLER: On a different petition.

MR. SPEAKER: On a different petition, the hon. the Member for the

District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, I stand today to present a petition on behalf of

104 residents of Beachside, 80 residents of Little Bay, and 130 residents from

St. Patricks. I will read it:

WHEREAS the road from Little Bay turnoff to Little Bay, and from Little Bay

to Beachside, was paved approximately forty years ago, and since that time very

little has been done to upgrade the road, the road is in a deplorable condition;

WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call upon the

House of Assembly to repave the road from Little Bay turnoff through to

Beachside.

And as in duty bound your petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, this petition was collected and supported by the Town Council of

Beachside, the Town Council of Little Bay, and the Local Service District of St.

Patricks. They are saying they are just disgusted with how bad this road is, Mr.

Speaker, and how it has deteriorated over a period of time.

I understand, Mr. Speaker, where they are coming from. They are saying they

are in constant repair of their vehicles because of the major potholes and

everything that is happening in that road.

My understanding is, I think it is approximately ten kilometres from Little

Bay turnoff to the RC church hill in St. Patricks, and from Little Bay to

Beachside is another seven kilometres. Mr. Speaker, this road needs repairs

immediately.

The former member for that area, I do not know if that is what he was fired

over, but I know it had to do with something where he went looking for money for

pavement of roads in his district. I think that is what happened to him and he

left this hon. House.

AN HON. MEMBER: A former Premier.

MR. BUTLER: A former Premier, that is correct.

Mr. Speaker, some people might say, why are you presenting this petition?

Well, Mr. Speaker, we all heard in this House about the "we care" speech. When

they asked me would I present it, I said yes, we care; we will bring this

forward on behalf of your residents.

I am sure the hon. member, when he stands to speak, either in Budget debate

or whatever, will bring up the issues on behalf of those residents. Hopefully

government will I understand; I spoke to one gentleman today - they may, if at

all possible, get a kilometre of this road done this year. That is a start, and

they appreciate that, but, Mr. Speaker, they are asking government to really

take action and see that this road is completed.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further petitions?

Orders of the Day.

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the hon. Minister of Justice and Attorney

General, for leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The

Commissioners For Oaths Act. (Bill 7)

I further move that the said bill be now read a first time.

MR. SPEAKER: It is properly moved and seconded that the hon. the

Government House Leader shall have leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To

Amend The Commissioners For Oaths Act, Bill 7, and that the said bill be now

read a first time.

Is it the pleasure of the House that the said bill be now read a first time?

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

Motion, the hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General to introduce a

bill, "An Act To Amend The Commissioners For Oaths Act", carried. (Bill 7)

CLERK: A bill,

An Act To Amend The Commissioners For Oaths Act. (Bill 7)

MR. SPEAKER: Bill 7 has now been read a first time.

When shall Bill 7 be read a second time?

MS BURKE: Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Tomorrow.

On motion, Bill 7 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the hon. Minister of Justice and Attorney

General, for leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The Notaries

Public Act, Bill 8, and I further move that the said bill be now read a first

time.

MR. SPEAKER: It is properly moved and seconded that the hon. the

Government House Leader shall have leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To

Amend The Notaries Public Act, Bill 8, and that this said bill be now read a

first time.

Is it the pleasure of the House that the hon. the Government House Leader

shall have leave to introduce Bill 8 and that the said bill be now read a first

time?

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

Motion, that the hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General to

introduce a bill, "An Act To Amend The Notaries Public Act", carried. (Bill 8).

CLERK: A bill,

An Act To Amend The Notaries Public Act. (Bill 8)

MR. SPEAKER: Bill 8 has now been read a first time.

When shall Bill 8 be read a second time?

MS BURKE: Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Tomorrow.

On motion, Bill 8 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the hon. Minister of Finance

and President of Treasury Board, for leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act

To Amend The Income Tax Act, 2000 No. 2, Bill 9, and I further move that the

said bill be now read a first time.

MR. SPEAKER: It is properly moved and seconded by the hon. Government

House Leader to ask leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The

Income Tax Act, 2000 No. 2, Bill 9, and that the said bill be now read a first

time.

Is it the pleasure of the House that Bill 9 be now read a first time?

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

Motion, the hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board to

introduce a bill, "An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, 2000 No.2", carried.

(Bill 9)

CLERK: A bill,

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, 2000 No.2. (Bill 9)

MR. SPEAKER: Bill 9 has now been read a first time.

When shall Bill 9 be read a second time?

MS BURKE: Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Tomorrow.

On motion, Bill 9 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the hon. the Minister of

Justice and Attorney General, for leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To

Amend The Small Claims Act, Bill 11, and I further move that the said bill be

now read a first time.

MR. SPEAKER: It is moved and seconded that the hon. the Government House

Leader shall have leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The Small

Claims Act, Bill 11, and that Bill 11 be now read a first time.

Is it the pleasure of the House that Bill 11 be now read a first time.

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

Motion, the hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General to introduce a

bill, "An Act To Amend The Small Claims Act", carried. (Bill 11)

CLERK: A bill,

An Act To Amend The Small Claims Act. (Bill 11)

MR. SPEAKER: Bill 11 has now been read a first time.

When shall Bill 11 be read a second time?

MS BURKE: Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Tomorrow.

On motion, Bill 11 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the hon. the Minister of

Tourism, Culture and Recreation, for leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act

To Amend The Grand Concourse Authority Act, Bill 12, and I further move that the

said bill be now read a first time.

MR. SPEAKER: It is properly moved and seconded that the hon. the

Government House Leader shall have leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To

Amend The Grand Concourse Authority Act, Bill 12, and that Bill 12 be now read a

first time.

Is it the pleasure of the House that Bill 12 be now read a first time?

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

Motion, the hon. the Minister of Tourism, Culture and Recreation to introduce

a bill, "An Act To Amend The Grand Concourse Authority Act", carried. (Bill 12)

CLERK: A bill,

An Act To Amend The Grand Concourse Authority Act. (Bill

12)

MR. SPEAKER: Bill 12 has now been read a first time.

When shall Bill 12 be read a second time?

MS BURKE: Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Tomorrow.

On motion, Bill 12 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the hon. the Minister of

Government Services, for leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The

Consumer Protection And Business Practices Act, Bill 13, and I further move that

the said bill be now read a first time.

MR. SPEAKER: It is moved and seconded by the hon. the Government House

Leader to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The Consumer Protection And

Business Practices Act, Bill 13, and that Bill 13 be now read a first time.

Is it the pleasure of the House that Bill 13 be now read a first time?

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

Motion, the hon. the Minister of Government Services to introduce a bill, "An

Act To Amend The Consumer Protection And Business Practices Act", carried. (Bill

13)

CLERK: A bill,

An Act To Amend The Consumer Protection And Business

Practices Act. (Bill 13)

MR. SPEAKER: Bill 13 has now been read a first time.

When shall Bill 13 be read a second time?

MS BURKE: Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Tomorrow.

On motion, Bill 13 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the hon. the Minister of

Government Services, for leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The

Private Investigation And Security Services Act, Bill 14, and I further move

that the said bill be now read a first time.

MR. SPEAKER: It is properly moved and seconded by the hon. the Government

House Leader to ask leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The

Private Investigation And Security Services Act, Bill 14, and that Bill 14 be

now read a first time.

Is it the pleasure of the House that Bill 14 be now read a first time?

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

Motion, the hon. the Minister of Government Services to introduce a bill, "An

Act To Amend The Private Investigation And Security Services Act", carried.

(Bill 14)

CLERK: A bill,

An Act To Amend The Private Investigation And Security

Services Act. (Bill 14)

MR. SPEAKER: Bill 14 has now been read a first time.

When shall Bill 14 be read a second time?

MS BURKE: Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Tomorrow.

On motion, Bill 14 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, before I call the order of the day for debate, I

would just like to say that Bills 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13 and 14, as we just did the

first reading, if they are ready for distribution, should be distributed at this

time.

For today's order, Mr. Speaker, back to the Order Paper, I call Motion 1.

MR. SPEAKER: The Government House Leader has called Motion 1, the Budget

Speech the Budget motion.

The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

It is a pleasure again today to be able to stand and take

part in the debate

with regard to the Budget Speech. We know that last week we went through the

amendment that was put forward and the sub-amendment, Mr. Speaker.

I have to say, I have not been in the hon. House of Assembly for many years,

but I sat quite a few years in the gallery, and I suppose listened prior to

that, but I have to say last week when we started the debate on the main Budget

and the Government House Leader stood in her place, and rightly so, and asked

that we would vote on the amendment and the sub-amendment, I think it was the

first time in history that I can recall I was trying to find out that when

the motion was put forward and I know it was a misunderstanding but I think

it was the first time in the House of Assembly that the motion that was put

forward to condemn the government's Budget was voted on unanimously by the

government themselves.

MS BURKE: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Government House Leader, on a point of order.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, the hon. member that was just speaking, the Member

for Port de Grave, indicated that there was a unanimous vote in the House. Mr.

Speaker, if that was the case, I would like for him to produce the Hansard that

would say that. The vote continued as it should have with the results that

government expected. Mr. Speaker, if there was a unanimous vote that would have

been recorded in Hansard.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

To that point of order, the motions that are put forward here and the motions

that are recorded will clearly show, and Hansard will clearly show, that the

sub-amendment and the amendment that was put forward here on the floor of the

House was voted on and lost by the members that brought forward both the

sub-amendment and the amendment.

The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, I have to agree with you, but that was the

second vote that was taken.

MS BURKE: (Inaudible) you do not challenge the Speaker.

MR. BUTLER: I am not challenging the Speaker. I am just telling you the

facts of what happened here last Tuesday and we all know what happened. When the

motion was put forward, I said aye and everyone in this House said aye with me

and then we knew what went wrong and it was put forward again.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

AN HON. MEMBER: It did not come from this side. It was not everybody.

MR. BUTLER: No, not everybody

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible)

MR. BUTLER: No, Mr. Speaker, I am not challenging you but I guess

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. BUTLER: - case closed. My hon. colleagues on this side, on the

government side, said: We did not do it; it was that side. So case closed case

closed, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. BUTLER: Your colleague behind you said it.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, on a point of order.

It needs to be clarified that the hon. member said there was a unanimous

decision and now he is saying it was from one side or the other. Mr. Speaker,

Hansard will indicate how that vote went, what the results were, and that the

sub-amendment and the non-confidence motion put forward by the members opposite

certainly was defeated by this government.

Mr. Speaker, you just gave a ruling on it; you spoke about that. The hon.

member stood up and indicated he agreed, but - and he had to qualify as if he

did not agree with the Speaker's ruling. Mr. Speaker, I do not think that at any

point in any Legislature, and certainly in the House of Assembly here in

Newfoundland and Labrador, do we challenge the Speaker's ruling.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Opposition House Leader, to that point of order?

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Yes.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Yes, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, first of all, I do not think it is a point of order. I do not

think the Member for Port de Grave in any way, shape or form - I was here in

this Chamber and heard what he said - challenged any ruling by the Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, Hansard, as we all know, records what happens in this House.

Nobody is disputing that, and the Member for Port de Grave is not disputing

that. All the Member for Port de Gave was pointing out is that what he saw

happen and what he heard happen in the House when those votes were taken. Now,

the fact that the official transcript of this House of Assembly shows what Your

Honour said it shows is absolutely correct and true. It is one thing what is

officially recorded in Hansard, it is something else for an individual to refer

to what the facts are as to what they see and observe in this House.

I would suggest, Mr. Speaker, there is no point of order. There may be a

little bit of embarrassment on the government members but that is about it.

Embarrassment does not a point of order make.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. Member for Port de Grave to continue with his debate. There is

no point of order. The facts are what Hansard shows.

The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Maybe it was a slip of the tongue when I said unanimous, but I can guarantee

you, Mr. Speaker, it was a majority. Anyway, Mr. Speaker, I will continue on

with the debate, and I am sure we are all hon. members. We all know what took

place and so on, Mr. Speaker. Anyway, I want to just continue on for a while. I

know I have used up five or six of my minutes on that, but continue on with

regard to the Budget issues.

Mr. Speaker, from time to time we talk about

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Government House Leader on a point of order.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I know you have ruled that it was not a point of

order when I stood and said it was not unanimous, but, Mr. Speaker, when we

speak in this House of Assembly it is incumbent upon all members to say what

actually happens or speak to the facts and not try to make up something or say

something that is not real.

Mr. Speaker, when that vote was called and when that vote was taken it was

recorded in Hansard, it is recorded in this House, and the majority indicated

that they defeated that motion. Now for the member to get on his feet and to say

that the majority voted for the sub-amendment and for the non-confidence after

he said unanimous, then goes in and says the majority. Mr. Speaker, that needs

to clarified, because when you get up and you address the people in this House

of Assembly and in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, and you know the

difference of what you are saying, it needs to be clarified.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair has already ruled that there is no point of order. The Chair has

already ruled that the printed version of what happened here in this House when

votes were conducted is, as the hon. Government House Leader stated, the

sub-amendment was put forward for a vote and the sub-amendment was defeated. The

amendment was put forward for a vote and the amendment was defeated.

If the hon. Member for Port de Grave interprets that in a different way it

will show that the hon. Member for Port de Grave does not have the right

information, because Hansard clearly shows that what the hon. member is saying

is not actually what Hansard transcribed as happened here in this House.

The Chair is not going to be involved in any more debate on this issue. The

votes have been taken, the votes have been recorded, and I call on the hon. the

Member for the District of Port de Grave to continue with his delivery.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, some hon. members are saying: Stop digging, you

are in a hole; stop digging. I say to the government, I would say this past week

you have been down in several holes. Mr. Speaker, everyone in this hon. House

knows what I am saying.

Mr. Speaker, to continue on with the issues on the Budget Debate, we all

stand here and we reference the good that is in the Budget and we on this

official side did that.

Mr. Speaker, today I want to go back to some issues that this government has

not dealt with and that the people around this Province have major concerns

with. Let's talk about the Newfoundland and Labrador pensioners. My hon.

colleague, the Minister of Business, got up the other day talking about all the

good, and rightly so, but I am going to tell you, several members got up and

spoke on what people were saying, that everyone had an excellent response to the

Budget. Well, I can guarantee you, the gentleman, in response to the Budget when

they were talking about the pension issues, had far from an excellent response.

I am not saying that he was totally negative but what the gentleman had to say,

he said government continues to disappoint pensioners. That to me was not

speaking out in favour of what was in this Budget.

That is only one of several groups, Mr. Speaker. He went on to say about how

government continues to mix pension issues and benefits for seniors. The money

they are talking about is very small and he compared it to somewhere around it

is very small when it comes to a comparison of a $7 million budget. All they are

asking for, Mr. Speaker, is for their pensions to be indexed to the cost of

living. That is all they are looking for.

Then we have the pensioners and senior citizens, the 50+ Federation. They

have many issues that they have brought forward to this government from their

annual conventions each and every year. They talk about the retirement pension

increase that they are looking for. They also referenced that this government

stand up for them and deal with the federal government when it comes to the Old

Age Security, the clawbacks. They even go on and talk about a two-tier medial

system, Mr. Speaker.

Another issue they asked the members of this government, this hon. House, to

deal with is the issue with the ferry crossing the Cabot Strait and the problems

that they encounter and the fees that are being charged. I know we have an

excellent tourism industry in this Province, but I think if you really check it

out, the majority of the tourism that came to this Province last year and the

last several years, has been through the airport system probably here in St.

John's and other centres. I can tell you that tourism with regard to trailers

and motorhomes that travel to this Province are not what they used to be a few

years ago, Mr. Speaker, and anyone who travels on the ferry can verify that.

Some of the other things they want us to have a stronger look at it, Mr.

Speaker, when it comes to health care; they are asking that family members be

able to provide home care for their loved ones. They even used the figures where

it shows that it is far better for someone like that and more cost efficient for

them to look after loved ones at home rather than to have someone come in, or if

that cannot happen, where they have to go to various institutions. Mr. Speaker,

we talk about our health care. I have said it before and generally I think that

we have the best health care system in this world. If you travel outside of our

Province, outside of our country, people will say that to you.

Mr. Speaker, there are many issues that have to be dealt with, many issues. I

know back in the Budget of 2004 there was some $1.39 million that was in the

Budget, 32.3 per cent of the Budget that year went to health care. In 2010, we

have $2.8 billion, 37.4 per cent of the Budget. Mr. Speaker, people are asking

that is a difference of $1.5 billion, and they are saying: Are we better off?

There is no doubt we have some of the greatest health care facilities in the

country, but there are many issues. We have heard the issues that were relayed

by the nurses just a few months ago, and there are many issues that still exist.

Mr. Speaker, I am not saying that because this government is here. I can

remember back to 1984 when we were in Opposition, previous to this time being in

Opposition. The issues that were brought forward at that time were the lack of

beds, shortage of nurses, doctors, specialists, medications not covered. I

remember again in 1989 when we did form the government and the issues that were

brought forward. The issues that were brought forward by the Opposition that are

now in government were the same thing. I remember the former Member for

Ferryland, everyday he would stand on his feet on health issues, and the Member

for St. John's South and others. Mr. Speaker, here we are today in 2010 and the

same issues confront us. What is the answer? Many people say that health care is

in a crisis and people want the issues dealt with.

Mr. Speaker, I have stood in this hon. House and said it before, I guess now

it has been recognized by the doctors themselves. I know in my area many people

- yes, there are many people who have their general practitioner but there are

many people, Mr. Speaker, who do not have a general practitioner. A lot of them

have to come to St. John's. One of the doctors left and moved in here to St.

John's and his patients travelled with him because they cannot get a doctor.

Only recently, a gentleman who worked in my area retired and moved back to

Central Newfoundland, and when he went back to that area he could not get a

general practitioner. He came back to the community where he retied from, stayed

there, got to see his own general practitioner that he had for eight or ten

years, and lo and behold, he had to have his surgery in Carbonear hospital.

Mr. Speaker, that is where people are coming from. Some of them have to

travel to different areas to see a general practitioner. I know much has been

done with the wait list, there is no two ways about it, but I can assure you

many people are still waiting for various time frames to see specialists,

waiting up as high as a year or two years.

Mr. Speaker, it was only recently - and some of my hon. colleagues were here

with me. This is an issue tied with regard to the moose on our highways and the

problems that are encountered throughout this Province. When we attended the

thirty-fifth anniversary of The Hub here in St. John's - and I think there were

four or five hon. members from the government side there, and we attended their

banquet. As a matter of fact, Mr. Speaker was there himself. There was one young

gentleman there in a wheelchair and he relayed the story to me how he has a

moose licence. He said: look, when you get up to speak in the House of Assembly

or wherever, bring my concern forward. He said, I have a moose licence and

someone can go and kill that moose for me, but he said the foolish part of it

all, he says, I have to be within 100 feet of the individual who is going to be

with me to hunt that moose. He said here am I in a wheelchair. It just cannot

happen, cannot possibly happen. He is asking government: Would they consider

looking at this issue?

Another issue, Mr. Speaker, is the recycling program for the used tires. I

know I asked the minister questions last year and all she did, she went back to

two previous contracts that had fallen by the wayside with the former

Administration; failing to acknowledge the two contracts that fell by the

wayside since this Administration took over. She assured me at that time that

the tires are being stored properly. They are stored safely - and she is still

nodding her head today, Mr. Speaker, that that is a fact. Well, I challenge the

minister. I challenge the minister to go to the site in Dunville, because I did.

I went there, and no doubt about it, the tires are stored very neat and tidy,

but the concerns that the people have in the Dunville and Argentia area is not

how the tires are stored, it is how they are protected. The site that they are

on, all that is to that facility is just one swinging gate with a security guy

there. The full site outside of that, there are trails going off the main

highway. There are trails going off one of the side roads where anyone wanting

to get in there can go in and the guy that is on security, all good (inaudible)

to him, but they cannot see them going in there.

I do not know what the minister is saying about a fire, but that is the

concern that the residents have. They are concerned that something would happen,

and I can tell you I have had many phone calls, Mr. Speaker, and they would like

nothing more than to be able to sit down with the Minister of Environment and

Conservation and the Minister of Municipal Affairs to put their concerns to

rest, because they know if something does go wrong, they know they are stored

properly. I can tell you, there is firefighting equipment in the town but there

is not too much firefighting equipment on that site if something should go

wrong. They know the full area. They have even had it investigated to the point

that if something should go wrong there - even Mount Pearl or Conception Bay

North would be under a tremendous evacuation time frame. I mean that is the

concern that they have. We are hoping nothing is going to happen, but that is

where those people are coming from.

Then we talk about agriculture, Mr. Speaker. We know that agriculture is very

important to this Province. In The Economy booklet this year, 2010, it states

that the total from farm receipts declined 4.5 per cent in the first

three-quarters of 2009 as compared to the same period in 2008; the value is

$78.9 million. Fur production down 58.5 per cent, egg production down, and, Mr.

Speaker, the list goes on.

One of the things that is a major concern in my area - and I have spoken to

the Minister of Transportation and I spoke to the Minister of Natural Resources,

and I have to get an e-mail to her on this issue and that is the roads to the

farmlands that the people have in my district, the Class 4 roads. Back a few

years ago the government in their wisdom - and I know they found themselves in a

difficult position. What they did, they said we are not going to do any more

maintenance on Class 4 roads. Mr. Speaker, the roads going to those farms, and I

named the First Pond road in Shearstown. There are four or five farmers in

there. There are two or three farms in there with blueberries, and there are

people in there that also cut the grain and that for their animals.

So, Mr. Speaker, there are many issues that we could talk about. I know my

hon. colleague, the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and Employment talks

about the food banks and the strategy that we have and how it is recognized

around the country. That is true, but, Mr. Speaker, we cannot be third on the

list when it comes to poverty if we know that - I think there was a 10 per cent

increase in the use of food banks in this Province last year. Mr. Speaker, there

are many issues and all I hope is that government will consider all the concerns

that are put forward by the constituents, not only in my area but in each and

every district throughout this Province.

Mr. Speaker, I know my time is just about finished. I just wanted to say that

hopefully government will listen to those concerns and over the next few days we

will be able to resolve some of those issues.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Before the Chair recognizes the hon. member for Mount Pearl

North, the Chair would just like to revert to an exchange that took place when

the hon. Member for Port de Grave was recognized to speak. There was some

indication of what happened here in a vote in the House of Assembly. The Chair

made a ruling that the written Hansard would reflect what did happen here and

then a vote took place.

I would like to remind the hon. member and call his attention to our own

Standing Orders as well, Standing Order 49 in the Standing Orders of our own

House of Assembly, which clearly states, "No Member may reflect upon any vote of

the House except for the purpose of moving that such vote be rescinded."

So I ask members to be guided by our own Standing Orders.

The hon. Member for the District of Mount Pearl North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I am thrilled to rise in this House today to speak to Motion 1

and take

part in this Budget Debate. As you can tell, Mr. Speaker, it is quite a

debate that is taking place here in the House.

Before I get into my remarks that I would like to make about the Budget, I

cannot help but address some of the comments that were just made by the Member

for Port de Grave. I find it astonishing, Mr. Speaker, the attitude and the

approach that this Opposition brings to this hon. House day in and day out.

The hon. member talks he started by talking about what this government is

not doing for pensioners and for senior citizens. Mr. Speaker, maybe the

Opposition has not been paying attention for the last six or seven years as this

government has made significant improvements that benefit older persons in this

Province. We have improved fiscal policies that benefit senior citizens, we have

improved health and income support programs that benefit senior citizens in this

Province, we have introduced a Healthy Aging Framework, and the list goes on and

on and on. Yet, the hon. member has the nerve to suggest that this government is

not paying attention to issues affecting seniors.

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member talked about the Marine Atlantic ferry service

to and from this Province. Surely he is not suggesting that this government has

not been active and vocal in lobbying for improvements to the Marine Atlantic

service, because we are on record year after year advocating for improvements to

that service.

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member talks about health care and home support, yet we

have released countless reports, during my time in this House, addressing

reductions in wait times that have occurred in recent years in our health care

system as a result of investments that this government has made.

In this very Budget that we are debating today, Mr. Speaker, we have improved

subsidies for home support, affecting all kinds of families and senior citizens

in this Province. We have seen consecutive increases in our overall health

budget and we see record investments being made in health care, which I hope to

have an opportunity to address later in my limited time today.

Mr. Speaker, the hon. Member for Port de Grave talked about our lack of

attention to environmental issues, which is astonishing. When you look at the

climate change initiatives that this government has undertaken, when you look at

our investments in green energy, when you look at our investments in wind power,

when you look at the expansion of recycling programs in this Province, it is

just absolutely astonishing that members of the Opposition can stand and make

some of the statements that they continue to make in this House. It is frankly

disrespectful, Mr. Speaker. It is disrespectful to this government. It is

disrespectful to the people of the Province that that is the kind of

representation we see from members of the Opposition.

Mr. Speaker, as the member concluded, he talked about poverty and what this

government is doing to address poverty. He cited himself that we have gone from

having one of the worst poverty rates in the country to having one of the best

records in terms of addressing poverty. We have one of the lowest poverty rates

in all of Canada; and yet, the member stands in this hon. House and talks about

what we are failing to do to address poverty reduction.

As he points out, Mr. Speaker, yes there are many issues that we have to

address, but the difference between this government, this Administration, and

the past Administrations led by Liberals is that we are doing something about

those issues, that we are actually facing those issues and we are coming up with

real strategies and we are taking real action to address those issues.

Anyway, onward. Mr. Speaker, there is a number of us, including the Minister

of Innovation, Trade and Rural Development that are wearing red ties today. Let

me be very clear that it is in no way a show of support for the Liberal

Opposition. It is a show of support for the Montreal Canadiens, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENT: My apologies to Leafs fans, but it was certainly a good night

for our team last night.

Mr. Speaker, now I will talk a little more about the Budget, and intend to

use my time a little differently than the members of the Opposition have done.

The Leader of the Opposition had a full hour earlier this week to participate in

this debate. I only get twenty minutes, so I will use my time wisely. I am

certainly not going to make reckless statements in an effort to create fear in

people in this Province. I am certainly not going to be negative for the sake of

being negative, as we continue to see from the Opposition, and I am certainly

not going be as disrespectful as to twist facts in a feeble attempt to discredit

this government. We all know that this Opposition would never let facts get in

the way of a good story - God forbid.

The people of this Province will not be fooled by the antics of this

Opposition, Mr. Speaker. In fact, many people that I talk to in my travels

believe that this government is the best that this Province has ever had. It is

a lot about leadership and it is a lot about vision, but that is not all. Mr.

Speaker, I think people in this Province have confidence in this government

because we are truly focused on the future. It is a government that is making

decisions that are all about positioning this Province for that future. We are a

government that is not looking as far as the next election, as we have seen from

past Administrations. We are looking as far as the next generation and

generations beyond.

So today in this Budget Debate, Mr. Speaker, I want to talk about the future.

I want to talk about this Budget that we are debating and how the decisions that

we are making are impacting that future. For me, this Budget hits home in many

ways, and in some ways it hits home more than previous Budgets that I have been

here for. It is all about the right investments for our children and our future.

As a new parent, I think my perspective on a number of things in life has

changed. I now look at issues through a very different lens. I am really proud

to stand in this House with confidence knowing that I am part of a government

that is making careful decisions, that is making tough decisions, that is making

bold decisions to secure a future for my son and for generations of

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians that are not even born yet, Mr. Speaker.

What I want to talk today about is the future. You would think the Opposition

would be concerned about the future as well. You would think they would be

making constructive suggestions about issues impacted by this Budget and other

issues that are being raised in this House, issues related to natural resources,

issues related to post-secondary education, issues related to the fishery, but

instead, they want to talk about taxi receipts. Then, they resort to fear

mongering, fact twisting and other antics that actually allow people to see what

they really stand for and what they are really all about.

Mr. Speaker, this government will continue to rise above all of that. This

Budget speaks to the kind of future that I want for Newfoundland and Labrador.

This Budget is all about building that future and making the right decisions,

the right investments in the economy and in society, and having the courage to

tackle tough issues, Mr. Speaker. This Budget speaks to the strong, confident

leadership that this government is providing.

It is unfortunate that the Opposition does not want to have a productive

discussion about the future, about how to further strengthen our society and our

economy. They would rather focus on fear mongering and confusing facts. They

would rather attempt to convince the people of this Province that the sky is

falling. They would rather try and convince the people of this Province that we

are living in an era of doom and gloom. That is really sad, but we have to

continue to rise above that, Mr. Speaker, and ensure that we provide the kind of

leadership that we were elected to provide.

Mr. Speaker, the Member for Port de Grave referenced a non-confidence motion

that took place in this House earlier this week, and that is really ironic

because we are at a time in our history in Newfoundland and Labrador where the

public has incredible confidence in this government, and they have incredible

confidence in the future of this Province thanks to decisions that this

government have made. While the Opposition will continue to attempt to discredit

this government, the confidence of the people in Newfoundland and Labrador has

never been stronger.

I want to talk a little bit about the impact that this Budget has had on my

District of Mount Pearl North. Mr. Speaker, the Opposition would have you

believe that those of us in the backbenches are sitting quietly nodding our

heads. Mr. Speaker, the facts tell a completely different story. I am thrilled

to stand in this House today and make some noise and talk about the impact that

this government has had on my district over the last two and a half years that I

have been a member of this House. I can tell you in no uncertain terms that this

government has invested more in Mount Pearl and Paradise than any previous

government in the history of the Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENT: Mr. Speaker, for the benefit of my colleagues, this government

has invested more in rural Newfoundland and Labrador than any government in the

history of this Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENT: Yet, the Opposition will tell you that the sky is falling.

Mr. Speaker, here is what is coming in this Budget for Mount Pearl North. Let

me just give you the quick list: increased roadwork; water and sewer investments

in Paradise and Mount Pearl; the completion of the Team Gushue Highway, which

will benefit all residents of this region; replacing the Kenmount Road Overpass

in Paradise; an expansion to the Glacier; Mount Pearl is getting a new pool and

a new arts centre; improvements to housing units, not only throughout my

district but throughout the Province; two new schools, two new elementary

schools in the growing Town of Paradise; improvements at St. Peter's Junior High

and Mount Pearl Senior High in the City of Mount Pearl; increased funding for

the Paradise Youth Centre. Mr. Speaker, I could take the rest of the time I have

left to talk about specific investments that are being made by this government

in my district, and there are forty-eight districts in this Province that are

all benefiting from the decisions that this government is making.

That is why people have confidence, Mr. Speaker. People have confidence in

this government because we have actually strengthened the economy. The past year

has been difficult, to say the least. We see the entire world coping with a

world-wide recession, a recession that Newfoundland and Labrador has weathered

quite well. So it is almost unbelievable that in the same year Newfoundland and

Labrador celebrates have status for the first time and we also had significant

growth, other provinces are reversing their have status to have-not and they are

facing incredible economic uncertainty.

This Province has had growth, Mr. Speaker, in so many areas; population

growth, personal income growth, labour income increases. We have seen a growth

in retail sales when other provinces have faced some of the worst retail sales

in decades. Our tourism market continues to grow in a time of economic

uncertainty around the world.

Mr. Speaker, our Province was well equipped to deal with this recession. We

have weathered the storm well and we have one of the strongest economies in

North America as a result of decisions that this government has made, and I have

no doubt that the growth will continue, Mr. Speaker. So it is no surprise that

recent polls show significant support and satisfaction with this government. Why

wouldn't people be confident and pleased? We are seeing unprecedented benefits

for families, for seniors, for students, for community groups. The list is

endless, Mr. Speaker, and it is all reflected in this Budget. So people do

indeed have confidence. We are making the right investments and the right

decisions, and I think people know this and I think they see through the antics

of the Opposition.

The Leader of the Opposition spent recent Question Periods this week

unsuccessfully trying to paint the picture that this government is making

mistakes. Mr. Speaker, the people of this Province know that we have a confident

Administration, a government that has incredible credibility. When we encounter

problems, when we encounter challenges within government we have the courage to

work hard and find real solutions that are going to be lasting and long term.

Unlike the Opposition, you will not find this government playing politics with

issues that are important. We will not spread negativity and we will not

complain and not offer any solutions. We are actually going to roll up our

sleeves and continue to solve problems when we come across them.

Mr. Speaker, in the time I have left, just to put into perspective what this

Budget and recent Budgets have done for people in my district and people in this

Province, I want to give you a few real examples. The Member for Port de Grave

just talked about people he has talked to. Well, I want to talk to you now about

some of the people that I am talking to in my district.

AN HON. MEMBER: Yes, real people.

MR. KENT: They are real people, yes, as my hon. colleagues have pointed

out.

Mr. Speaker, the Member for Port de Grave talked about seniors. I want to

talk to you about one senior citizen in my district. She lost her mother this

past December and her husband left shortly thereafter. She was forced to leave

work. She was placed on sick leave for stress related issues. Her medications

were incredibly costly. Her EI sick benefits were not enough to cover her basic

living expenses, Mr. Speaker. Well, this government assisted with her

application for a prescription drug card, and because of improvements we have

made over the last couple of years - she stated categorically that she would not

have been able to continue living. She would not have been able to function if

it were not for the support and the decisions that this government has made and

the support that it has provided.

Mr. Speaker, the previous speaker talked about low-income families and

low-income people in this Province. I want to talk to you about a single mother

in my district who over the last number of months applied for the Home Repair

Program that this government has supported through Newfoundland and Labrador

Housing. She was absolutely thrilled with the results and the response she

received in dealing with officials at Housing and within government. She was

able to replace leaky windows and a deck that was falling off her house, and

siding and a front door; all of which was problematic. She was also able to take

advantage of the Home Heating Rebate Program through the Department of Finance.

She thinks it is a godsend at this time of year, as we have just come out of the

winter months, and it truly did help her deal with high heating costs.

Mr. Speaker, I want to talk about a family with one child who is in high

school in Mount Pearl. Our government was able to assist with their application

for dental work through MCP's dental program at the Janeway. Both parents work.

They were just over the acceptable limit for a prescription drug card, and under

this new Budget, this new Budget that we are debating in the House right now,

Mr. Speaker, they are going to be able to get even more support from this

government. They needed additional assistance, and through the work of this

government and these new programs that we are introducing, they will get the

support that they need.

Mr. Speaker, there are more and more people returning to Newfoundland and

Labrador. A former resident of Mount Pearl who had spent most of her life in

Ontario moved back last summer. She moved back to care for her elderly mother,

which is a reality that many families and many Newfoundlanders and Labradorians

contend with today, given our aging population. She moved home from Ontario and

she needed help from this government to help her mother who was struggling with

Alzheimer's disease get transferred to a suitable home. Our government helped

her, worked with Placement Services at Eastern Health and had everything in

place for their move this summer, and yet another family has successfully

relocated back to Newfoundland and Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, I could tell you many more examples. Another single mother on

income support whose son has chronic health issues. They wanted to move closer

to their family in Central Newfoundland where they could have additional family

support. This government was able to assist this resident in getting additional

support from Human Resources, Labour and Employment to help with expenses and to

ensure that the child was able to get back and forth to the Janeway for

specialist appointments.

Mr. Speaker, it goes on and on and on. So I am quite proud of this

government's commitment to positioning this Province for the future.

Mr. Speaker, earlier in this Budget Debate the Leader of the New Democratic

Party talked about the tax cuts to big bad business, and the Minister of

Finance, from across the House, challenged the Leader of the NDP to reference

which tax cuts she was talking about. I looked back at the Budget, Mr. Speaker,

and perhaps she was talking about the personal income tax rates that are going

to be reduced for the second income bracket and the third income bracket to

benefit thousands and thousands of average citizens in Newfoundland and

Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENT: Perhaps she was talking about the corporate income tax rate

that was reduced effective April 1 for small businesses from 5 per cent to 4 per

cent. Ladies and gentlemen, small business is driving our economy in communities

in Newfoundland and Labrador. Are those the tax cuts that the Leader of the New

Democratic Party opposes? That is all I could find, Mr. Speaker. It is quite

clear that we are making investments. We are putting money back in taxpayers'

pockets to allow them to invest in this economy and ensure that we continue to

have the success that we are enjoying here in Newfoundland and Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, I only have a couple of minutes left, and there is lots more in

this Budget that I would love to have an opportunity to talk about. Some of the

investments that are in this Budget related to Newfoundland and Labrador

Housing, and some of the investments that have taken place over the past year I

would like to particularly note because they directly affect hundreds of

families in my district.

I have received countless letters and e-mails and phone calls from residents

of a couple of neighbourhoods in my district where Newfoundland and Labrador

Housing has recently undertaken work to improve the units. One resident wrote

that she waited so long for other governments to help, and finally this

government came in and looked after the problems.

Residents are telling me that their homes are much better and their quality

of life is much better because of these investments that we continue to make.

Yet, the Opposition would attempt to convince you that we are doing nothing to

address affordable housing issues in this Province. Another resident wrote that

because of the improvements we have made in housing units in my district, since

windows have been replaced, she no longer needs anti-histamines for allergic

reactions caused by mould and leaky windows. Mr. Speaker, this is just yet

another example of the kinds of investments that are making a meaningful

difference in people's lives.

When I look at the record investments that we are making in health care, and

in education, and in poverty reduction, it is amazing to see how well we are

positioning this Province for future success. Mr. Speaker, these are issues that

directly impact people's lives, and I think that they are the reason why people

have such a high level of confidence in this government. I can say with

certainty that the investments that we have committed to in this Budget are

directly going to affect the people I represent, they are going to directly

impact people in every district in this Province.

I know that people are looking forward to seeing many of the changes and

improvements that this Budget will bring. I believe we are on the right track. I

believe we are making significant investments, and we have momentum, and we are

going to continue as a government to fight for the best possible future for our

Province and our children.

Mr. Speaker, this Budget is all about the future. It is about children, it is

about youth, it is about families, it is about communities. I am really proud to

stand and participate in this debate and be part of a government that is so

committed to social development and putting the needs of people first. I am

excited about the future, proud to be part of a government that is doing the

right things for our children and for our future, and I thank you for the

opportunity to say a few words on the Budget this afternoon.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER (T. Osborne): The hon. the Member for The Straits & White Bay

North.

MR. DEAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is a privilege again today to be able stand and speak for the next few

moments about the Budget and items that are related to it as well. Making

reference to the sky falling in, I would suggest that parts of this Province

feel, today, as though their sky is falling in; there is no question about that.

I want to go back again and speak for a few moments first of all about the

monies in the Budget this year for the air ambulance and the relocation of it

and so on. I presented, in past weeks, as much information as I possibly could

around the issue, an important issue to the Province. I have to say that

yesterday it was very sad to see that not even one member of government that was

here, not even the member for the district next to mine that is being affected

by it so much, was willing to stand in support of the private member's motion to

look for more time to do a further study.

I have a letter that came in this week to me - and I would just like to refer

to a couple of things in it and that sort of thing - from a previous supporter

of this government. He made reference back in 2001 of going on the Northern

Peninsula and spending some ten days involved in two by-elections there in The

Straits & White Bay North and in St. Barbe and attended a couple of public

rallies with our Premier he was the Leader of the Opposition at the time and

he referred to the infamous words of our Premier who said: Give me these two

seats and I will never forget you. Well, those words reverberate in the minds of

all the people on the Northern Peninsula today because, quite frankly, they

would just as soon that the Premier had forgotten them as to do the things that

have happened in the past few years, particularly in health care.

We talk about - someone mentioned legacy there today in some conversation or

some debate. We have one of the greatest legacies of this Province on the

Northern Peninsula in that of Sir Wilfred Grenfell. We began shredding that

legacy by doing away with the health board first of all, and the government has

continued over the past five or six years to just take it and to dismantle,

dismantle, dismantle. Here we have today, we have another great legacy, we have

the air ambulance program for this Province that was started and it was built

upon - a need that was recognized fifty-five years ago by one of the greatest

doctors that this Province has ever had in Dr. Thomas. We agreed yesterday as a

government - the government members agreed - that this no longer services the

Province adequately, that it no longer has a place to play, it no longer has a

role to play and that it is time to take it and relocate it into Happy

Valley-Goose Bay. Certainly, that is a very sad decision. Again, not the fact

that Labrador does not need air medevac services, it is just as important as any

other part of the Province - I have no issue with that but the fact that this

service that served the Province so well for fifty-five years, today, all of a

sudden, after the loss of a by-election just a few months ago, kind of

coincidental I am sure, that this government would decide the service is no

longer essential in the St. Anthony area - very unfortunate.

I would like to just go back and correct something too. The hon. member stood

on a point of order yesterday - the hon. Member for Lake Melville - and

suggested that I was talking off the top of my head and did not know what I was

talking about and so on, and made reference to the fact that the Goose Bay

hospital has an excellent ICU unit were his words.

I want to let the member know today, and I would love to be corrected if I am

wrong, but there is no ICU unit in the hospital in Goose Bay. There is a special

care unit there with two or three beds; basically the same as a general ward for

all intents and purposes. There are no trained nurses in Happy Valley-Goose Bay

that have critical care training and so on. As a matter of fact, I know that

just recently when they did the accreditation of the ICU for the

Labrador-Grenfell board that it had to be completed in St. Anthony for the very

reason that there was no ICU unit in Goose Bay.

Just for the record to make sure that we are straight today, Mr. Speaker, I

would want us to know that I did know what I was talking about basically, as I

was fairly sure I did, and that there certainly is not an ICU unit there. If

that is going to be the point of transporting our medevacs then, obviously, the

government will need to step in and make sure that that loss of service, if you

will, is corrected.

I would like also to refer for a few moments to a letter that the Minister of

Health wrote back to myself and the Leader of the Opposition in response to a

letter that we both wrote. Basically, he sent the same letter back suggesting

that one letter would suffice saying we were kind of asking the same

information.

In his letter he says: Your suggestion that the placement of the air

ambulance in Labrador will result in a diminished service for individuals on the

West Coast and Central Newfoundland is not supported by the air ambulance

statistics. The fact that it demonstrates that the majority it says the

majority of the patient transfers on the Island originate in St. John's, not St.

Anthony. We agree with that. We agree that the majority of the transfers from

Gander and Deer Lake and other parts of the West Coast, they do originate or

they do come from St. John's, but what about the minority that does not? What

about those that do not come from St. John's, are they not just as important as

the majority that do?

For example, in 2009 the minister noted that approximately 61 per cent of the

air ambulance pickups within the Island portion of the Province, with the

exception of St. Anthony, were done from St. John's; 61 per cent, so that leaves

31 per cent that were not. That means the other 31 per cent were done either by

a charter aircraft or they were done by the aircraft in St. Anthony.

In Deer Lake he made note that 68 per cent of the air ambulance transports

were from St. John's and just 21 per cent were from St. Anthony; so 21 per cent.

In Stephenville there is 24 per cent that are transported by the St. Anthony

plane, and in Gander there were 13 per cent. Those are large numbers when you

consider that there are transferred out of Stephenville last year there were

the number is not there, but there were 59 per cent of the calls and there were

24 per cent that were handled by St. Anthony.

These numbers, these 29 per cent that - or 28 per cent that were done in

Stephenville last year that will be done in Stephenville again this year, or

required in Stephenville, assuming the number stays somewhere around the same,

then there will be a delay in the response time because that aircraft will come

out of Goose Bay. I have already made that point, and I believe it is getting

through. People of our Province are beginning to understand that yes, this is

indeed a diminished service.

To suggest then, the minister says, that the residents of the Island will be

negatively impacted by this decision, does not make sense to the minister. Well

I do not know how that can be so, since we are saying that 29 per cent, and 13

per cent, and 21 per cent of the residents are going to be serviced by this

second aircraft because St. John's is not available to come and get them. We

know that it is going to take longer, so how can the minister suggest that these

residents are not going to be negatively affected by this decision? How can

logical minds find a way in which this decision does not negatively impact what

is being done?

The minister says, as he said, that the placement of this aircraft in Happy

Valley-Goose Bay will mean that everyone gets a sixty minute response time of an

air ambulance. You can take that to the bank, so to speak. The minister is

guaranteeing, practically today, that everyone in Newfoundland is going to get a

sixty minute response time on an air medevac because of the decision of

government. Well, you know when that 21 per cent, or that 19 per cent, or that

28 per cent from those other three airports require the air ambulance aircraft

that is in Goose Bay, I want to suggest to you it is not going to be there in

sixty minutes.

Another interesting thing that the minister put in his letter back to me was

that almost in his concluding remarks before he says, I am satisfied that the

placement of the aircraft in Happy Valley-Goose Bay is the right decision for

all residents of the Province, but before he says that, he says: In addition,

residents of the North Coast of Labrador will have the benefit of the medical

flight team travelling on the Twin Otter to these communities. Now, that

is a great benefit. I am not disagreeing with that at all, but if the flight

team is travelling on the Twin Otter medevac that goes off to the North Coast,

then obviously it is not available to respond to medevacs on the King Air. So

what does that mean in terms of delay? What does that mean in terms of improved

service? What does that mean in terms of the time it is going to take for the

aircraft to leave Goose Bay, fly to St. John's, pick up the medevac team, and

then leave and fly back to Wabush, for example, again and pick up the patient

that is there? Obviously, it means an extended delay over and above what it

would mean today.

So this medevac team that we are supposing government will put in place, it

is going to be on the North Coast often, and so it should be. If that kind of

service is needed, that kind of service should be provided, but on those numbers

of calls that are not included in the Drodge report we do not find out for

sure about the numbers and so on there, but the fact is that these numbers, when

the medevac if the medevac team is going to go with the Twin Otter every time

that it goes, then there is going to be a lot of times that the medevac team is

not going to be available to the King Air out of Goose Bay.

So I would suggest to the minister, that that does not seem to be something

that really has come into consideration, either in terms of responding and in

terms of really coming to a sound decision. The more that I look at it, and I

have looked at it often, the more that I study it and try to rationalize it and

so on, I realize just how improper, I realize just how inadequate, I realize

just how flawed that this decision is, and I realize the loopholes that are

there and the unfortunate situations that we are going to see in the delivery of

health care across our Province in coming days. It is very unfortunate.

I would like for a few moments to speak as well, not only to the air

ambulance service throughout the Province, but I would like to speak for a few

moments to the fishery. We realize that our fishery again this year is in

crises. We know today that there has been an offer that has gone out from the

ASP to this price setting board, and we are encouraged by that. We hope this

might be a means of a resolution, a means of a step forward; a means of finding

a way forward into settling this dispute that is affecting so many people in our

Province.

I am amazed, again, as I sit in this House day after day, that I never hear

any government members talking about this issue. I suppose that none of them are

from rural Newfoundland. They must all be from the city, I am not really sure. I

thought the Province was broken down a little bit differently than that, but I

am not hearing anything about the fishery and so on.

There are several things that I would like to mention about the fishery that

affects so many of us here today. Number one, the crab fishery, for the last

couple of years it has been going through this downturn and coming to a head.

Working diligently to head off that crisis is something that has been encouraged

time and time again. Yet, we have left it to the harvesters and left it to the

processors and we do not feel that government has a big role to play here other

than trying to mediate or trying to accommodate the process and so on. I want to

suggest that when there are 20,000 paycheques that are at stake and when there

are people now who are into their fourth week with no income, then I think that

someone needs to speak up, and someone needs to get something done, and someone

needs to find some headway so that we can find a way forward, this fishery can

get on the go.

As I go back to my district on the weekends and as I look at the offloading

facilities in different towns, I look at the boats that are tied up and so on,

as I talk to people around the district

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