Debates of July 26th, 1999

This is page numbers 605 - 630 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Six-month Safety Record - NWT Power Corporation

Minister Absent From The House

Benefits Of The Negotiated Contracts Policy

Property Appraisal Systems In Smaller Communities

Activities And Celebrations In The Hay River Area

Impact Of Electoral Boundaries Legislation

Ensuring The Ongoing Viability Of Giant Mine

Municipal Taxes Applied To Senior Citizens

Constituency Office Relocation

Trade Mission To Nunavut

Return To Oral Question 135-13(7): Rental Of Restricted And Adult Movies To Youth

Return To Oral Question 162-13(7): Appeal Of British Columbia Supreme Court Decision - Possession Of Child Pornography

Return To Oral Question 207-13(7): Motion Of Support For Ms. Roberta Vaneltsi

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Negotiated Contracts Policy

Property Appraisals In Rural Communities

Continued Operation Of Giant Mine

Update On Recruitment And Retention Efforts

Seniors' Municipal Tax Obligations

Renovations To Yellowknife Correctional Centre

Closure Of Northern Addictions Services

Fort Resolution Sawmill

GNWT Addictions Treatment Policy

GNWT Negotiated Contracts Policy

Reprofiling Northern Addictions Centre

Renovations To The Yellowknife Correctional Centre

Consultation On Negotiated Contracts Policy

Consultations With Northern Addictions Services Board

Changes To Correctional Centre Renovation Project

Correctional Rehabilitation Policies

GNWT Tendering Processes

Cabinet Discipline Policy

Consultation Process On Capital Changes

Cabinet Reconsideration Of Correctional Centre Project

Return To Written Question 4-13(7): Decentralization Of Human Resource Functions To Departments

Return To Written Question 5-13(7): Cost Of Paper For Legislative Assembly Operations

Return To Written Question 6-13(7): Remuneration And Benefits Of Cabinet Ministers

Return To Written Question 7-13(7): Timber Stand Inventories

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Tabled Document 52-13(7): Decentralization Of Human Resource Functions To Departments

Tabled Document 53-13(7): Remuneration And Benefits Of Cabinet Ministers For The 13th Legislative Assembly

Tabled Document 54-13(7): Report And Recommendations Of The 1999 Judicial Remuneration Commission, July 12, 1999

Tabled Document 55-13(7): Responses To Petitions 2-13(7), 3-13(7), 4-13(7) And 5-13(7)

Tabled Document 56-13(7): Tender Published In July 21, 1999, Toronto Globe And Mail Regarding Expression Of Interest - Correctional Facilities

Setting Of Hours By Speaker

Bill 23: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1999-2000

Item 16: Motions

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Morin , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Vince Steen .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 605

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Good afternoon and welcome to the reconvening of the Seventh Session of the 13th Legislative Assembly. I hope that you all have had a good summer so far with your family, friends and constituents. We have a lot of work to do in the week ahead and I ask Members for their attention to the matters of the House. I also will remind Members that I intend to be strict with the rules of this Chamber so that we can deal with the business at hand. I ask Members to be aware of their commitment to serve the people of their constituencies. And I ask each Member to treat each other with mutual respect.

So, welcome to the reconvening of the Seventh Session of the 13th Legislative Assembly.

I wish to advise the House that I have received the following message from the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories:

Dear Mr. Speaker:

I wish to advise that I recommend to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories, the passage of the Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1999-2000, during the Seventh Session of the 13th Legislative Assembly.

Yours truly, Dan Marion, Commissioner.

Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 69-13(7): Six-month Safety Record - NWT Power Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, workplace accidents can be devastating. Not only is an employee affected - family, friends and fellow workers all share in the consequences.

Accidents can be prevented. However, it takes commitment, training and a strong sense of responsibility from both the employer, and the employees, to make a difference. I am very pleased to report that the people at the NWT Power Corporation have demonstrated they can make the difference.

On June 30, 1999, the corporation's 295 employees achieved a record of six months - over 400,000 hours - with no time-loss accidents. I am pleased to report that as of today, that record is now almost seven months. This is a very good turnaround from only five years ago, when there were 18 time-loss accidents during the year. Last year, there were only five.

The commitment of the board of directors to make safety the top priority and to put the resources behind their decision has been a major factor. I compliment them, the management and the safety managers of the NWT Power Corporation in the NWT and Nunavut for the excellent job they have done.

I know this Assembly will join me in congratulating the front-line workers, the line crews, the electricians, mechanics and other tradespeople who perform their duties safely every day.

Mr. Speaker, we are joined here today by members of the joint occupational health and safety committee in the gallery who I will introduce at the appropriate time.

Finally, I look forward to January 1st of next year when I am confident we stand a very good chance of achieving a full year - almost one million hours - of zero lost time at the NWT Power Corporation. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 69-13(7): Six-month Safety Record - NWT Power Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 70-13(7): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Michael Miltenberger will be absent from the House today to attend a funeral in Fort Smith. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 70-13(7): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Member's Statement 173-13(7): Benefits Of The Negotiated Contracts Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to talk a little bit about the history of the Government of the Northwest Territories. As Members are all aware, the Government of the Northwest Territories was moved north quite some time ago in the early 60's. At that time we had a commissioner by the name of Mr. Stewart Hodgson. He was the one who implemented and brought North the civil servants and set the government up in the Northwest Territories. At one point in my career, Mr. Speaker, I had the opportunity to talk to the Prime Minister of this country. One of the things that stands out in his mind, is when the

Northwest Territories had one elevator, he can remember it quite clearly when he was the Minister of Indian Affairs, but yet we had two elevator inspectors. That was caused by transferring the bureaucracy from one level to another.

What I would like to talk about a little bit today, Mr. Speaker, are negotiated contracts, the Business Incentive Policy, and the development of government by the people of the Northwest Territories. It seems like a long time ago now, Mr. Speaker, but it was not that long ago that the majority of the contracts in the Northwest Territories were tendered.

I can remember quite clearly back in 1986 when we had a million dollar project in the riding of Tu Nedhe and when everything shook out of the wash, because it was tendered, a Yellowknife firm got it and the community and the riding of Tu Nedhe benefited less than one percent of the capital cost. That is one of the reasons the government of the day made the bold decision to start negotiating contracts.

They also made a bold decision of implementing a Business Incentive Policy. The government of the day had decided at that time it was a benefit to our communities to negotiate contracts. It is a benefit to the government to negotiate contracts. Everybody always hears why we have so little money left to spend on capital projects. The money that we do spend on capital projects should stay in the community. That same capital project money should be used to help train the community, help implement programs in the community, and help people grow in the community by carrying out their own projects. Mr.

Speaker, this government in its wise decision has developed a policy on community empowerment. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 173-13(7): Benefits Of The Negotiated Contracts Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Tu Nedhe is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays. There are no nays. Mr. Morin , you have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.

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Member's Statement 173-13(7): Benefits Of The Negotiated Contracts Policy

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank all the Members of the Assembly for allowing me to conclude my statement. This government has brought into existence the Community Empowerment Policy and this policy, Mr. Speaker, they work with communities so communities can take control of their own programs and services. Communities now take care of their health program delivery, their social service program delivery. Building of buildings is not that hard. Communities can do that as well.

It is a benefit to this government for communities to negotiate contracts and for community members to build those buildings and community development corporations to build those buildings. There is no way that our community development corporations can compete against major cities and major communities like Yellowknife and Hay River. Our communities are very small, isolated, and we work within our own boundaries. We want to carry out our own projects, do them with our own people and do them well.

I believe this government would benefit in the long run by continuing its negotiation policy and Negotiated Contract Policy with our communities. It would show good faith on this government's part by negotiating contracts with our communities.

I am quite aware, Mr. Speaker, that the Premier and many other Members of Cabinet have been talking about a new partnership, and that partnership must mean the carrying out of negotiated contracts as well. A new partnership does not mean that you abandon the development corporations in our communities. It is very important that we carry out our negotiated contracts in our communities and all people move ahead together in the Western Territories. Our capital budget is not designed for Yellowknife or the big centres alone. It should be designed for our communities as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 173-13(7): Benefits Of The Negotiated Contracts Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 174-13(7): Property Appraisal Systems In Smaller Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we know most communities in the smaller ridings are classified as GTA communities. Mr. Speaker, a large part of the reason why GTA communities are such is because they do not have population or economic base to maintain, operate and manage municipal services on their own. However, whether or not it is suitable, this government must continue to maintain and operate the capital infrastructure in a lot of our communities but also the community has to retain certain hardships to maintain those programs. Mr.

Speaker, it was recently brought to my attention that some appraisals of properties in the Mackenzie Delta communities have skyrocketed in regards to value. For an example, Mr. Speaker, the property that was originally appraised at $3,000 has now been appraised at $13,000. Although it might not look like much of an increase for some people, it is a major problem. It is a major problem for the people who do not have work, who are unemployed, who are trying to continue to maintain properties that have been in their families for hundreds of years and also who have lived in these communities for hundreds of years.

Mr. Speaker, the new appraisals are not realistic but such cause severe hardship on the people that call those communities their home. The hazards, to think about all the people such as our senior citizens, people who are on income support and those people who want to continue to maintain homes and property in their home communities. The appraisal system, which we adopted from the south, it belongs in the south. Our government is here to help the people who we represent and not drive them into hardship. Mr. Speaker, we need a northern solution to deal with northern issues. Mr.

Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister responsible for property increases and how the property appraisal system has been established and exactly what he can do about helping poor or small communities. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 174-13(7): Property Appraisal Systems In Smaller Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members statements, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 175-13(7): Activities And Celebrations In The Hay River Area

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the last time that we gathered here in this House was some time ago now. Since then has probably been the longest period of time that I have spent in my riding on a continuous basis since

coming here four years ago. There is a lot to be said for staying home and spending time with the people who elected you to represent them. It has been a great break but not in the sense of it not being busy because it has been very busy.

Besides dealing with many issues and concerns and working on various ongoing initiatives, I have been able to visit with constituents and participate in community activities, activities such as Heritage and Canada Day festivities, celebrating the tenth anniversary of Woodland Manor, our seniors' care facility, congratulating NTCL with past and present employees at the reunion to commemorate their 65th anniversary, offering best wishes to Arlene Johns and Romeo Gonzales when friends, family and colleagues gathered to honour them for over 30 years of teaching in the North, attending the graduation of 27 fine young people from Diamond Jenness Secondary School, joining with Premier Antoine, Minister Miltenberger and Commissioner Marion in the opening ceremonies of the 1999 Territorial Track and Field Meet with almost 1,000 athletes, coaches and volunteers in attendance.

The Minister of Education was down to tour our facilities and meet with citizens concerned about education, as he said he would be. The Cabinet convened a meeting in Hay River in conjunction with their presentations at the Community Leadership Conference. The Government Operations Committee met in Hay River for the public hearing on Bill 15 .

This is just to name just a few of the activities so far this summer, and the remainder promises to be just as busy as I host a barbecue in honour of our seniors in recognition of the International Year of Older Persons with the help of the Commissioner Dan Marion on August 2nd. On August 11th, together with the Career Development Centre in Hay River, I will host the Ready for School Barbecue for students going out to post-secondary education.

The only problem with being home for so long is that it is hard to come back but once again, on Saturday afternoon, I made the trek back. We have had many visitors in Hay River over the summer, but we would always like lots more. If any of you are thinking of driving down, I would just like to tell you that Mr. Rabesca 's road construction is not any obstacle and is proving to be very scriptural and, in fact, the crooked paths are being made straight. Mr.

Gargan 's bison, however, are still hogging the road with their usual stubbornness and disregard for humans trying to take advantage of that new speed limit on the highway. But when you are going by, when you are going through Enterprise, take note of Mr. Steen 's beautiful new weigh scale which was just being paved when I came by. As I said, we are never too busy in Hay River for visitors. The golf course is green, the beaches are sandy, and the fish are biting. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 175-13(7): Activities And Celebrations In The Hay River Area

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements, Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 176-13(7): Impact Of Electoral Boundaries Legislation

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker, and welcome back, colleagues. I hope that everyone had some time to rest and enjoy the summer holidays. Mr. Speaker, we are now only a few short months away from ending our term as the 13th Legislative Assembly. Although we have dealt with many issues over the last four years, I wonder what our residents will remember this government as.

Will they remember the struggle we had encountered over balancing the budget or making the dream of Nunavut a reality? The thing our residents will remember this government, as a government that took away the voice of the rural communities and gave it to the urban of our territory. When Bill 15 is read and passed, it will change the political structure of this House forever. We cannot forget the smaller communities. They have just as much right to voice their concerns and raise issues of those of the person in any of the larger centres.

Yet we have failed to compromise in these issues and the entire North will suffer as a result. We cannot forget the roots of this territory and where most of us come from. The smaller communities are the cultural centres for the territories and yet do not have a strong enough voice to do anything about it.

I have continued to stress the need for an additional seat for the North Slave area, specifically Rae-Edzo. My region still feels that there is a need to have more representation from the smaller communities and this would at least give us more voice. How can the larger centres expect to know and feel what it is like living and working in the smaller communities when very few of the residents ever travel outside of the municipal boundaries of their communities. Through all these talks and deliberation that has gone, I feel this is a black day in the history of our territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements, Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 177-13(7): Ensuring The Ongoing Viability Of Giant Mine

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My comments today will be on a subject that is economically related, and it is of great concern to many people in Yellowknife and is, no doubt, of great concern to this government as well. The government is always looking at the possibility of job creation. As an example, I give the economic strategy which is underway in which the honourable Minister for RWED is in charge of.

That strategy is to create an economy whereby people can get jobs and this government can raise revenues. But what is of concern to me is, does this government have a program, a strategy of job retention. As an example, I use the Giant Mine situation. Some months ago, the Yellowknife MLAs met with the mayor of Yellowknife, representatives of the union, the Chamber of Commerce, a number of business people, and aboriginal representatives. It was to discuss and investigate the possibilities of a sale of Giant Mine, as well as to look at what can be done about the arsenic problem. Some progress has been made to that end.

DIAND, who has held a very successful and major conference on arsenic problems and brought in experts to gather together for a three-day session here in Yellowknife. I am sure that there will be progress made in that end on the arsenic issues. At the same time, the receiver has received interest from potential buyers for the mine. But Giant continues to be of great concern to all of us and especially the 280 workers and their families, as well as some 250 spinoff jobs that are affected by it. There is a tremendous impact on this community, as well as the territory, if we should lose this mine.

To this end, I wonder what this government is doing in terms of pressuring the Department of Indian Affairs to continue to seek solutions to the arsenic problem, as well as to assist potential buyers and operators. If a buyer cannot be found, if we can provide assistance to keep this mine going. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements, Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 178-13(7): Municipal Taxes Applied To Senior Citizens

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to speak about municipal taxes. Mr. Speaker, recently we have been hearing a lot about concerned citizens who are concerned about increasing taxes in Yellowknife. But I would like to talk about the forgotten taxpayer and, Mr. Speaker, those are the seniors for whom the municipal taxes are a constant concern. That is because most of them are on fixed incomes and cannot afford to pay municipal taxes. Many of those people who live in Yellowknife, seniors, want to continue living here.

They may have worked for years in order to acquire their homes, and now it is time to relax and time to enjoy their retirement. That is why the GNWT instituted a municipal tax program so seniors would not have to pay taxes.

In the general taxation area, Mr. Speaker, this is true, seniors do not have to pay taxes. But in the tax-based municipalities, this may not necessarily be true. The way it works is that the GNWT pays half and the municipal government forgives the other half. The problem is that, in Yellowknife, they have instituted a maximum which you cannot go over. If the tax is over that maximum, then the senior has to pay the rest. This is where the problem comes because a senior may have a large house and property, but if they are living on a fixed income, it does not necessarily mean they can afford to pay those taxes.

This is why, a while back, the ordinary Members passed a motion saying that seniors need to be treated equally in the general taxation area and the tax-based municipalities as well. They asked for a means test so that those who can afford to pay would pay and those who cannot afford, would not have to. This is only in those communities where there has been a maximum ceiling put on. At the last session, the Minister responsible for this had indicated that he would look into this motion that we had passed and see what had happened with that motion. So at the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the appropriate Minister questions on this matter. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements, Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 179-13(7): Constituency Office Relocation

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as well, I have had the opportunity during our break in session to go back home and visit with the people in my community. A number of events have taken place there. At this time right now we have the Great Northern Arts Festival, which is off to a great start and is in its closing days now. Another event that happened in my community is, while I was here, I received a phone call from my assistant, quite concerned with some events that were happening at my office back in Inuvik.

We received a call and were notified the office was being closed down due to the unsafe conditions of the building we were in. We had to operate for a week or so without an office.

I have to thank my assistant for carrying on the business of the day from her home and using her home as an office. But it gave me an opportunity to use the sidewalks and the streets as an office place, which was interesting and brought me together with a lot of people who do not necessarily have the time to come forward into an office. So in that sense, it was okay, but thankfully we are back into an office and to notify the people back home that I am in the Boreal Bookstore, the old location. It is called the Delta Building. The people in Inuvik refer it to the Boreal Books Building.

We are located and set up there and we are back on line. We have our phones and faxes operating and hoping to continue to serve the people appropriately back home. In closing, Mr. Speaker, again I would like to send greetings back to my family. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 179-13(7): Constituency Office Relocation

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements, Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 180-13(7): Trade Mission To Nunavut

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to, on behalf of the constituents of Yellowknife South, welcome all the Members back to the Legislative Assembly for this particular session.

Mr. Speaker, in the April 1999 session, this Legislature, in response to the Construction Association personnel members, I had asked the Premier if he was planning a trade mission to Nunavut. The Premier replied that his office was not planning a trade mission but "I think we should take the initiative and say yes, we want to continue to work in Nunavut and that the businesses that are here have the expertise of working in the North. We should try to promote that." Mr.

Speaker, I think a trade mission is an ideal trade initiative, a trade mission comprised of key personnel from the public and private sectors is most likely to provide the necessary catalyst to get trade between the two regions into motion. However, we are still waiting for the trade mission to take place.

We need to get our economy back into the competitive trim. That is why we need an economic plan that reduces our exposure to resource extraction and diversify into secondary and surface-oriented industries. A trade mission to Nunavut would provide that idea platform for northern businesses to establish themselves in an underdeveloped market.

As a result of financial corrections and government cutbacks, northern workers businesses have become more productive than ever. Fewer people are producing more and more goods and services. In an environment such as this, the only way to create more jobs and to raise income levels is to have more customers. That means exports. Exports to Nunavut, exports to southern counterparts. Not just goods but also services, Mr. Speaker. That is why, in this new economy, the Northwest Territories must compete and not retreat.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I agree that economic renewal must begin at home, but we must have to reach out beyond our borders if we are to prosper and overcome in the long run. Let us remember that Northerners have never cowered from change and competition, we are the master of them. That is the message I want to leave you with today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 609

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' Statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Return To Oral Question 135-13(7): Rental Of Restricted And Adult Movies To Youth

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 609

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Henry on April 27, 1999. It is in regard to rental of restricted and adult movies to youth.

The Northwest Territories' current legislation is the Film Classification Act with accompanying film classification regulations. This legislation imposes restrictions and regulations on movie theatre operators in the Northwest Territories and adopts the Alberta movie classification system.

Recent changes to the Film Classification Act which were included as part of our government's regulatory reform initiative were intended to streamline the film classification regulations as well as clarify the act. No additional restrictions were considered when changing the act.

Video distributors and rental outlets in the NWT do not require a special licence other than their business licence to operate. Restricted or adult videos are available through various retail outlets and sources. Established businesses from large chain stores to the corner convenience stores can sell and rent videos. They are also available through mail order or Internet. A significant enforcement effort would be required on the part of this government to ensure effective legislative controls on the sale or rental of videos.

The Criminal Code of Canada does control obscene materials in Canada and the RCMP enforce these laws. Municipalities are also delegated authority under GNWT legislation in which they can regulate the display and distribution of adult materials within their community. Enforcement by communities presents the same challenges to them as it does to the territorial government. Presently, only the City of Yellowknife has a by-law controlling adult publications.

Perhaps there are more effective solutions such as promoting voluntary compliance with guidelines for the display and sale or rental of restricted and adult videos. As Members can appreciate, the regulation and setting of moral standards for the community is a matter that requires serious consideration. The department will continue to look into this important issue.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Return To Oral Question 162-13(7): Appeal Of British Columbia Supreme Court Decision - Possession Of Child Pornography

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 609

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Henry on April 30, 1999, in regard to the appeal of the British Columbia Supreme Court decision on possession of child pornography.

On April 30, 1999, Mr. Henry asked if the Government of the Northwest Territories has written the federal government to encourage them to appeal a decision of the British Columbia Supreme Court with respect to possession of child pornography. No, Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories did not write the federal government to encourage them to appeal the decision. In the BC case, Mr. Justice Shaw of the British Columbia Supreme Court found that the child pornography provisions set out in

Section 163.1 of the Criminal Code, which deal with the possession of child pornography, were in violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The decision to appeal this case rests with the British Columbia Attorney General, not the federal government, and the BC Attorney General is proceeding with the appeal. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Return to oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Return To Oral Question 207-13(7): Motion Of Support For Ms. Roberta Vaneltsi

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 609

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Krutko , a motion of support for a Ms. Roberta Vaneltsi.

On April 26, 1999, Mr. Krutko asked about the progress made regarding the motion of support for Ms. Vaneltsi in her attempts to have her children returned to Canada from the Czech Republic.

The legal steps available to the Government of the Northwest Territories are limited. On July 5, 1999, the Honourable Floyd Roland , Minister of Health and Social Services , wrote to Foreign Affairs Minister Lloyd Axworthy to take action under the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction to assist Ms. Vaneltsi. To date, there has been no reply.

The Honourable Floyd Roland and the Premier have made a commitment to keep Mr. Krutko informed of Mr. Axworthy's response and actions. The Government of the Northwest Territories also offered to assist Ms. Vaneltsi with accommodation costs for her most recent trip to Brno, Czech Republic. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 609

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 609

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 610

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I would like to inform the Members that maybe some of your lights are not working, but they are on. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Dent .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 610

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Pursuant to my Minister's statement, I would like to take this occasion to recognize some of the members of the joint occupational health and safety committee from the NWT Power Corporation and I will recognize them from my right to left across the top. Mr. Reg Crozier, plant operator, Valerie McPhee, office manager, Mr. Dan Roberts, the regional director of central operations, Chris Chatwood, the area maintenance superintendent. Along with the members of the occupational health and safety committee are Brian Willows, the safety manager for the NWT Region, and Mr. Bill Braden, who is the director of corporate development.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Morin .

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Page 610

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize the Honourable Kelvin Ng, Minister of Finance for the Nunavut Government and our past colleague. Thank you.

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Page 610

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. For those that have not been recognized, I would like to welcome the audience in the gallery. Welcome to the Assembly. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Question 214-13(7): Negotiated Contracts Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 610

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Honourable Vince Steen , Minister of Public Works and Transportation . Mr. Minister, it has been a long standing practice of this government to negotiate contracts with local development corporations in the smaller communities. The reason previous governments, as well as this government, today developed this policy and the reason they implemented negotiated contracts to start with, is to ensure that the limited dollars, the limited capital dollars that we do have within our budgets stay within the communities they are allocated to.

Also, the reason for this is to ensure that our development corporations and our communities get training on the job, they benefit from the ability to run the jobs and they do not only sweep up the floors after outside contractors. I ask the Minister today, Mr. Speaker, through you, has there been any change in the negotiating policy on negotiating contracts with this government? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Steen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the question the Member has as to whether or not this department or this government still has a negotiated contract policy. The answer to that is yes. We still have a negotiated contract policy and under my other portfolio as Minister of Transportation , there is a negotiated contract policy in regard to the Department of Transportation.

However, there is no negotiated contract policy per se that would apply to Public Works, but the Cabinet and the Executive Council did adopt negotiated policy guidelines very recently in May, which more clearly gives direction to the department as to what would be taken into consideration when dealing with the negotiated contract requests.

There are also quite clear directions from Cabinet that we were all expected to comply with and do our best to follow these guidelines. Now, after saying that, Mr. Speaker, I think it is fair to say that the department has been following the guidelines as close to the letter as possible. In those guidelines it outlines specifically that we have to identify benefits as far as economic benefits overall for the community, but also benefits in regards to employment opportunities within the community.

Now, it is suggested in the guidelines that not only is it the responsibility of the Department of Public Works or the department involved to identify these benefits, but it is some responsibility on the applicant as well.

What the department is doing is trying our best to work with the applicant to come forward and identify these benefits that would not be obtained through the normal tender process. So far we are doing our best to abide by those and we are still awarding contracts or we are still considering requests from negotiated contracts, I should say, and we are awarding negotiated contracts based on that policy. Unfortunately, we have not been able to award all the requests from negotiated contracts because in our responses to communities, Mr.

Speaker, we stated clearly that we believe the communities have, in the past, through their records of operation, indicated that they are capable of competing in a normal tender process. Based on that, we have been turning some of them down. That is my response to the Member at this point in time. The department still has, Cabinet still has, a negotiated contract policy, although it is not in writing per se, but I know that Cabinet did forward copies to all the MLAs of the guidelines that we have adopted and that we are planning follow. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the government for also forwarding the negotiated contracts and new rules and procedures basic outline to the MLAs. I also thank the Minister for the commitment that he just made of his people working and his staff working with the communities and the development corporations to put forward the information to justify the negotiated contract. That should be all civil servants jobs, Mr. Speaker, to work with the people to develop their proposal to present to the government. I would also like to ask the Minister, at this time, Mr.

Speaker, if he will commit, through this Legislative Assembly, to immediately meet with myself, with his deputy minister of MACA and his deputy minister of DPW in

order to finalize the talks on the negotiated contracts in my riding which he put out to tender and is closing in three days' time. I would like to know if he is interested in meeting to talk about that issue. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department and myself were available to discuss with the Member the negotiated contract request that we have at this point in time, as well as those that have been tendered. At this point in time, the department is open to discussions with the Member. I would suggest that the Member come forward with a suggested time and where to meet. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin , supplementary.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A good time for me would be 7:30 breakfast tomorrow morning, if the Member is available.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this morning breakfast was on me. Tomorrow, breakfast is on the Member, but I am available.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 215-13(7): Property Appraisals In Rural Communities

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 611

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . It is regarding my opening comments about the property values that have increased drastically in my riding. But first, Mr. Speaker, the whole history of lands and municipalities have drastically changed through land claims negotiations in the Mackenzie Valley.

There was a land freeze on for the last 20 years in which a lot of people required property in which they developed those properties with the understanding they will eventually own them and they lease that property knowing that once the land claims were settled, they were going to be able to acquire these properties by outright ownership. But I think the changes that we have seen, they did not expect that there would be such a drastic price increase from the original $3,000 they thought they were going to purchase this property for to where it has gone up to $13,000.

The increased appraisal values have inflated the land prices in the Mackenzie Delta and possibly in other regions. As a result, people are having trouble paying the property taxes and even having the ability to purchase land at a fair price in the Mackenzie Delta. Will the government consider adopting a more reasonable appraisal system that reflects the realities of the role the communities in the Mackenzie Delta so that we can understand the sensitivity of the northern cultures and also the people in the Mackenzie Delta? I would like to ask the Minister, is his department considering looking at such an option?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware that over the past three or four years, the department has been reviewing the land pricing policy. I think it was under a program called land reform within the communities, and it is related to eventually turning over the control of these lands including the pricing of these lands to the communities. Now, at what stage this program is sitting, I am unable to indicate to the Member exactly where we are with that program. However, I am prepared to review with the department where the program is sitting at this time and get back to the Member with the information. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister also tell me what is the government doing to implement a more reasonable property appraisal system that is incorporated in reflecting a more northern approach in regards to properties in the North? In my riding, for instance, you are dealing with permafrost, you are dealing with people who develop a lot of these properties, but you do not have the luxury of pavement or other necessities for property development, but a lot of people have put sweat equity into these properties over time. I would like to ask the Minister, are you considering also looking at that as a possibility?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Krutko , the question has been asked, and it has been responded to by the Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell me if the government is considering looking at the remote communities in light of the problems that they have versus the larger centres and try to find a more marketable system of appraising properties in isolated communities than they do in larger centres?

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the whole question is relating to pricing of lands and exactly what the criteria is used to arrive at the price of lands in, for instance, communities with highly developed streets and properties including running water and sewage facilities versus

the smaller communities. There is no doubt, there is a different criteria used for the pricing. All I can say to the Member is that I am going to have to review with the department all the related items that would apply to the pricing and get back to the Member with that information. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to ask the Minister if his department or himself can look at the hardship that this has caused, especially in a lot of the smaller communities like Aklavik. I have heard from a lot of constituents that this is a real problem. From seniors and also people who are wanting to own their own homes but also seeing that there is a significant increase which they were unaware of that it would be such a drastic increase. Could the Minister consider that this is causing hardship to the people in the Mackenzie Delta and will he also take a look at those hardships? Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the department would take into consideration the suggested hardships on the citizens and residents of these communities. But I would like to point out that the department is not doing the land Reform Pricing Policy in isolation. We are working, and we have worked in the past, with the Association of Municipalities. Through that organization, we assume that communities have had input to the department's policy. These types of concerns are addressed at that time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just on the whole point of the communities I represent and the Association of Municipalities, I think the one thing that the Minister has got to be made aware of is that there are two differences between a tax-based community and communities who have the CTA community status. That is where, I believe the problem lies. We have to treat these two institutions differently. The circumstances are different in the smaller isolated communities. That is the point I am trying to make.

There is hardship in a lot of those communities to develop property where you do not have the luxury or roads or you do not have the luxury of accessing gravel at a reasonable rate. I would just like to make the Minister aware of that. Also, the communities that I represent are settlement councils and also municipal councils, but they are not classified in the larger sense of cities, villages or towns for those instances which should be treated differently because of the titles. I would like to make the Minister aware of that.

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Question 216-13(7): Continued Operation Of Giant Mine

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today, I spoke about the Giant Mine situation and the importance that it places on the community and on the economy of the Northwest Territories and should we lose this mine, then we potentially lose 280 jobs directly and, in all likelihood, 250-300 jobs indirectly.

I am wondering if the Minister from Renewable, Wildlife and Economic Development could tell me if he has been in touch with the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs with regard to not the arsenic problem because there is a program in place on that and it was a very successful conference that was held here, and a great many experts are working on that particular area. But I am very interested in the continuing operation of the mine.

I am wondering if the Minister could tell me what his negotiations have been and what subject and is he making progress with the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs in regard to supporting any potential buyers for the mine and to ensure that it keeps going? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resource, Wildlife, and Economic Development, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department has been carrying on discussions with federal officials and various private interests to explore options and possibilities for ensuring that the mining operations continue at Giant Mine, plus as well to deal with the arsenic issue and the environmental liability. It is still possible to find someone from the private sector to assume some interest and responsibility for carrying on the operations and ensuring that the mine continues to operate.

We still have an enormous amount of work to do with the federal government to clarify how the environmental liability, specifically the arsenic problem, should be addressed. It has to be addressed before I think there is definite commitment, if any, by the private sector, to assume some role and some responsibility. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am more concerned about the type of assistance and the initiative that both our government is using and the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs is using to attract a potential buyer and what the hurdles in that may be. Could the Minister tell me if they have a program in place or if they are working on that to assist potential buyers and in what way they may be looking at assistance for buyers? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that there are discussions ongoing, as I said, with federal officials, as well as some private sector interests to make a deal. One of the issues that needs to be addressed and clarified is who is going to assume liability for the environmental aspect of Giant Mine, that is, the surface clean-up, as well as the arsenic that is stored underground. We are working with the federal government and the private sector to try to make a deal. We could, perhaps, discuss with my staff what more I could say. It is very insensitive and difficult to speak of it off the cuff.

Perhaps I can try to make a more definitive statement later on this week on that. Thank you very much.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. I would appreciate if the Minister could prepare a detailed statement on this that he could present in the House. I am interested, for example, in the area that should a potential buyer not come forward, then will this government provide assistance to a local group, be it as individuals such as the Canadian Auto Workers who have expressed an interested and, I understand, are looking into the potential of carrying on. But they need assistance, and there may be interest on the business sector here in the North combined with the union people.

I am interested in knowing from the Minister what this government is prepared to do to assist those groups in order to look at a potential carrying on of the mine in the event a buyer is not found. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will consider making a more detailed statement to answer the Member's question later on in the week. Thank you.

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Question 217-13(7): Update On Recruitment And Retention Efforts

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . The government announced, some time ago, that they were going to put some money into a program for the recruitment and retention of health care practitioners in the Northwest Territories. I was wondering if the Minister could update the House on how these efforts are proceeding. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we, along with partners in the area of Health and Social Services, the boards, the Nursing Association, FMBS, and the union have been working on trying to develop a suitable plan for the amount of money that was forwarded to us by this government in the area of recruitment and retention. We are at the point where all the parties have gone back to their principles to see if the plan they have worked out on distributing or how to come up with a suitable allocation of the $3 million over two years. I believe it is going very well. I have been told that the meetings have been very positive.

In fact, we have gone on to do a number of other things in the area of retention and recruitment, and that is to allow for nurses and social workers that area coming out of their, for example, the nursing program out of Yellowknife, to be able to do their practicum in the smaller communities. That has been working very positively. We have also a northern development program that has made good progress this summer in career promotion in trying to encourage high school students to take up working areas in nursing and social work.

I think we have done quite well there, and hopefully in the very near future, we will be able to share the news with what plan we have come up with the $3 million over the two years that was given to this department by yourself. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister aware of whether or not the situation with the staff of positions for health care workers has deteriorated any since this program was put in place? Are things remaining basically status quo, or are we continuing to lose health care workers to other jurisdictions? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is unfortunate that, in fact, we have been losing our professional people to other jurisdictions. Although the program we have started will show promising results, I believe it will take time in trying to deal with that now and the shortages we are facing has been very critical in some areas. I am sure you have been aware and heard the news of a number of communities going on emergency services only until they can come back up to being fully staffed. We are hoping, in the near future, that will happen in the communities that have announced their service reductions.

We are working with the health boards to make sure that services are provided to residents as they are required. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker,

the Minister has mentioned that there has been an effort to encourage northern students to take up careers in the health care areas. He specifically referred to the nursing program. Would it be too soon to be able to find out whether or not the enrolment in the existing programs for training nurses has increased for this coming season? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have that information available to me right now, but I will endeavour to get that from the department and pass it on to the Member. Thank you.

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Question 218-13(7): Seniors' Municipal Tax Obligations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 614

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs . Mr. Speaker, earlier I had made a statement in regards to the municipal tax programs that the government had instituted some time back so that essentially seniors would not have to pay municipal taxes and the fact that in the general taxation area, this is true, seniors do not have to pay taxes as the government takes care of the whole thing.

However, in the municipalities that are tax-based, the government pays half of the taxes and the municipalities are expected to forgive the other half. In Yellowknife and perhaps other communities, they placed a maximum on this so that once you reach that level, the senior has to pay the rest. Now, this is true whether a senior can afford it or whether they cannot.

Some time back, the ordinary Members, Members who are not Cabinet Ministers, had passed a motion saying that this government should do what it can to ensure that only those seniors who can afford to pay municipal taxes should pay, in other words, institute a means test to go by their income. If a senior is on a fixed income, a small pension, they may not be able to afford to pay tax, it does not matter how big their house is. During the discussions on the budget, I had brought this up with the Minister and his staff. The Minister had indicated that his staff would look into the matter.

At this point, I would like to ask the Minister for a report on his inquiries into this matter. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Member for bringing this back to my attention. At this point in time, I am unable to supply the information to the Member. I am going to have to take the question as notice and get back to the Member with the information. Thank you.

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Question 219-13(7): Renovations To Yellowknife Correctional Centre

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This year's budget in the capital budget of the main estimates, you have a line called the Yellowknife Correctional Centre enhancements and renovations. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance if anything has changed with this project? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time today, I will be introducing a supplementary bill which will address some proposed changes to the budget for that project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A little over a week ago, myself and one of the committees of the Legislative Assembly had the opportunity to meet with the Minister to be consulted on changes to this line item in the budget, the Yellowknife Correctional Centre. Can the Minister at least tell me if that meeting was to consult with Members or had this government made a decision prior to that meeting on that item? Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, recently I had an opportunity to see some young men who had just finished a rehabilitation program at the Rehab Centre in Hay River. They were very upset with some news they had received at the Northern Addictions Services Rehabilitation Centre which seemed to be on the verge of being closed.

What they were saying was that there are thousands upon thousands of people who are addicted to alcohol and drugs in the Northwest Territories and that these rehabilitation centres are their lifeline back into the mainstream society and it seems as though every time they start to get their feet back under them somebody is trying to kick them back out and this is the way this move is being looked at. What I would like to know from the Minister is, if the Minister could give us an update on his department's efforts to close the Northern Addiction Services Rehabilitation Centre? Thank you.

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The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department, just to clarify, did not undergo an initiative to close down a facility. The department, previous to my time was working along with the Northern Addiction Services Board to try and come up with a reasonable level of programming that could fit the residents of the Northwest Territories. It was with our disappointment from within the department we were informed that, in fact, the board had decided to pursue another avenue and they are continuing to work in the area of Justice Canada to try and run a program that would treat their clients.

That being the case, we have decided to not continue the existing arrangement we had with them, but instead we are looking at what services we can provide out of the existing facilities that are available to us at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From my understanding of the situation, there was some type of a plan to reprofile the Northern Addiction Services Rehabilitation Centre, so that it would no longer rehabilitate alcohol and drug addicted persons. The Minister has indicated that there was no move to close the centre for this type of work. I would like to know what was the plan? What were they going to do with Northern Addiction Services, which made the board of directors take such a drastic step? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have said, initially there was no plan to close the facility. We were looking at reprofiling the facility and that work has been going on for some time with the board. In the area of looking at repatriating some of our children's services that are performed on behalf of residents in the southern provinces and looking to bring back to the North and trying to make a child work along with children and families, as I have said, unfortunately, we were informed that was not the area the NAS board saw the facility moving in. They went on to contact Justice Canada to work out an arrangement and we were informed of that a number of months ago.

I also sent a letter to Members to inform them as to the situation as it is today and my deputy met with the board last week and tried to clear some of the issues that have gone on because there were a number of letters that have been written, and unfortunately, put the shadow over what was ongoing and we have tried to clarify that situation.

At present we are aware that the board is continuing to try and secure a contract with Justice Canada and ourselves as the Department of Health and Social Services have been looking at reprofiling our existing facilities that we have existing to us to try and ensure that no one is left out in the cold when it comes to receiving services when it comes to alcohol and drugs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The last time I walked or drove through the streets of Yellowknife at night I could see dozens upon dozens of people staggering around that were either drunk or on drugs or both and that is just one community. What I would like to know, Mr. Speaker, is what was the department planning on doing with all the people that normally go through Northern Addictions if they were going to reprofile that to a youth facility bringing people back from the south.

Obviously, all those children have different afflictions and maladies and things that are bothering them where you need all different kinds of specialists for those kind of people, but that is another question. What would they propose to do for all those people who would normally go to rehabilitation? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said, we are ongoing with the reprofiling exercise that was started some time ago in trying to better utilize our facilities and provide the level of service that is required to residents of the territories. We were looking at a number of initiatives, for example, gender specific programming that would be available at different times of the year. For example, at a facility out of Yellowknife we were looking at providing women's treatment for a number of months and then switching to men's treatment and providing a service to that level of degree.

Unfortunately, when the NAS board informed the department that the Dettah facility was no longer available for what was ongoing in the reprofiling exercise we have had to do some shuffling within our existing resources and facilities to try and come up with that and it has delayed somewhat what we are hoping to implement, but the work is ongoing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am getting a little bit confused here. I thought the Minister had indicated that they had planned to use NAS to repatriate children from the south. What facilities were to be used for this gender specific rehabilitation for adults for drug and alcohol? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are

a number of facilities that the department uses in the city of Yellowknife that run existing programs. There was the detox centre on Franklin avenue. There was the Rycon Building, I believe it is, that was used for a group home and I think there is a territorial treatment centre and we are hoping to reprofile those facilities to take on different workloads that we could better support those people who are in need of treatment programming. Mr. Speaker, to add to this, this was not an initiative that was started by the department on its own.

There were concerns that initiated this from the boards that used the services of the Dettah facility. There were some concerns and we tried to work through those and unfortunately to this date we have not been able to come to a successful arrangement. Needless to say that we are still open to opportunities of working with them if they would like to revisit their decision. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . There are approximately 50,000 logs sitting in the community of Fort Resolution in the sawmill yard. When will you be sawing those logs? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have been having discussions with the community as well as some private sector people to see if there is any substantive interest in advancing proposals to us in how to go about that. We have currently received two and we are trying to clarify some of the different elements in the two proposals. One which seems to have received favourable support from some of the community members. I am not sure if we can get that reflected officially. We are missing some information on the different elements of the proposals.

I met with the president of the Development Corporation yesterday and he is seeking to meet with members of the community sometime this week trying to get further information to then be in a position to advise myself which proposal he may be supporting. He would then probably go to the board of directors for approval. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister provide to me a briefing note of what you are doing to date, what will happen, the schedule, and what the proposals are? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Yes, I can provide the Member with a letter that would inform him as to what we have been doing with the operations in Fort Resolution and what state we are in at the present time and what we are proposing to do during this week to try to conclude the efforts we have been making in regard to the milling operations. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 222-13(7): GNWT Addictions Treatment Policy

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . My colleague from Yellowknife North has just referred to the thousands of people in the territories that are addicted to drugs and alcohol. Besides the provision of drug and alcohol treatment after a person is already addicted, what would the Minister indicate is the primary focus of this government in their efforts to prevent alcohol addiction? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member has raised a very good point and we as a government need to refocus on what we are doing. We have been doing some work in prevention. We have worked with some groups, for example, one group out of Yellowknife with FAE/FAS and trying to target that in information and educational side. Along with the Minister of Education , the Department of Health and Social Services, we have been working at trying to come up with initiatives that could see us cooperating to try and develop a program that we could reach more people.

Something that we are looking at is to try and come up with more ideas on prevention and preventing it because, as governments have shown that we have dealt with things at a crisis level. When we get to that level the costs go th