Oral Questions — 27 October 2005 (15th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 611–652)
2005-10-27, 15th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 611–652
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Oct. 27th, 2005
This is page numbers 611 - 652 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
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Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
NWT Council Of Sport And Recreation Partners
Fall Greetings To Constituents
Collection Of Unpaid Fines For Traffic Violations
Issues Raised On Behalf Of Tu Nedhe Constituents
Library Services In The Tlicho Region
New Chief Elected In Jean Marie River
Creation Of A Seniors' Secretariat
Allocating Alcohol Revenues To Treatment Programs
Addiction And Treatment Programs For Youth
A Year In The Future
Tuktoyaktuk To Inuvik All-weather Highway
Apprenticeship Programs
Item 5: Returns To Oral Questions
Further Return Question 217-15(4): Employment Insurance As Income
Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Allocation Of Alcohol Revenues To Treatment Programs
Approved Beverage Container Recovery Depots
Federal Interest In The Mackenzie Valley Pipeline
Warrants For Committal For Unpaid Traffic Fines
Corporate Income Tax Shortfall
Impact Of Fuel Price Increases On Harvesters
Fort Providence Ferry Operations
Housing Projects In Lutselk'e
Avian Flu Pandemic
Tlicho Communities Excluded From Library Funding
WCB Office Complex Proposal
Monitoring The Impacts Of The Closure Of The Hay River Remand Centre
Atco/novel Project Benefits In The Sahtu Region
Return To Written Question 10-15(4): Student Financial Assistance
Item 10: Replies To Opening Address
Speaker's Ruling
Access To Apprenticeship Programs
Appeal Of Housing Corporation Program Decisions
Criteria For Foster Parents
Alternative Day Care Services For College Students
Updates On Federal Funding Initiatives
WCB Office Complex Proposal
Model For Harvesters' Compensation
Exemptions From Jury Duty
New School In Yellowknife
Respite Care Program
Rent Scale For Social Housing
Revert To Item 10: Replies To Opening Address
Speaker's Ruling
Tabled Document 73-15(4): Letter From Yellowknife Condominium Corporation No. 9 Re NWT Liquor Act Review
Tabled Document 74-15(4): E-mail From Rainbow Child Care And Development Centre Re Parents Who Have Found Child Care
Tabled Document 75-15(4): Annual Report On Official Languages, 2004-2005
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Committee Motion 8-15(4) To Amend The
Schedule Of Bill 11
Recommendation To Review And Update The Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Directory Annually
Recommendation To Review
Schedule A Of The Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act Annually
Recommendation To Provide Atipp Training To Board Members
Recommendation To Develop Protocols And Procedures For Board Records
Recommendation To Assess The Resources Required For Municipalities To Comply With Atipp Legislation
Recommendation To Review Personal Information Protection And Electronic Documents Act
Recommendation To Develop A Legislative Proposal For Health Sector Privacy Legislation
Recommendation To Develop A Plan With Timelines To Ensure Access And Privacy Issues Will Be Considered In Devolution And Self-government Negotiations
Recommendation To Provide A Comprehensive Response To Committee Report 4-15(4) Within 120 Days
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Bill 11: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 2005-2006
Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 1, 2006
assent To Bills
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 611
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Good afternoon, Members. Welcome back to the House after a long, hard, productive day yesterday. I would like to remind Members that the second language in the House today is French. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.
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Minister's Statement 60-15(4): NWT Council Of Sport And Recreation Partners
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Mr. Speaker, last October, we tabled an implementation plan for the proposed Northwest Territories Council of Sport and Recreation Partners in this Assembly.
Members will recall that this new umbrella structure was proposed to achieve a number of goals:
• We wanted to create a forum where all communities and stakeholders will have input into the development of the sport and recreation system in the Northwest Territories, and to ensure that every region and community has the chance to benefit from programs and resources;
• We wanted to find ways to improve the coordination of program delivery for sport and recreation; and,
• Most important of all, we wanted to streamline the system to reduce duplication of administration so that we can put as much funding as possible into delivering programs.
I am pleased to report that implementation is proceeding as planned. Last spring, a Nomination Review Committee, made up of representatives from the major sport and recreation partners, invited nominations from the public, community governments, aboriginal governments, and other stakeholders. Based on their recommendations, we appointed members to the council, and they held their first meeting on June 27th and 28th.
As outlined in the implementation plan, this first year is a transition year for the council. Members have tackled the business of developing a corporate structure and business planning process. At their second meeting, which was held last month, they began the important work of developing a strategic plan for the organization. They have also begun meeting with key partners, including government departments, to discuss areas of common
interest and how we can work together. In short, excellent progress is being made to achieve the vision we set out, over a year ago, for the council.
Another initiative underway will bring all the partner organizations together in one administrative building. Municipal and Community Affairs has been working with Sport North, as the lead organization, to complete the technical analysis to determine if this is a financially attractive venture. We have given Sport North approval to proceed with this project and hope, in the near future, to be able to announce that all sport and recreation partners will be housed in one building. This will allow them to consolidate administrative and other functions, leading to savings which can be put back into program delivery.
Mr. Speaker, after many years of review and discussion, we are very pleased that the council has been established, and that we are moving forward with plans to enhance program delivery and to create a more integrated sport and recreation system.
I want to take a moment to acknowledge all the partner organizations who have committed much time and energy to this process:
• the Aboriginal Sport Circle of the Western Arctic;
• the Beaufort Delta Sahtu Recreation Association;
• the Mackenzie Recreation Association;
• the Northwest Territories Recreation and Parks Association; and,
• the Sport North Federation.
Their active involvement has made this vision a reality. Mr. Speaker, I look forward to providing further updates to the Members as the council's work evolves. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 60-15(4): NWT Council Of Sport And Recreation Partners
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .
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Fall Greetings To Constituents
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 611
Bill Braden
Great Slave
Merci beaucoup, Mr. Speaker. It's been a busy session, a very productive one in many areas, and, in other areas perhaps not quite as productive as some Members might have liked, but our business goes on.
My message today is for my constituents as we close a summer season in the North and go into the winter. We are reminded of so many things that we do enjoy that are
unique to living in the North and in Yellowknife, so many of the winter recreational pursuits, in our business and in our volunteer organizations, and I wanted to wish my constituents all the best with those. I want to remind my constituents that with Remembrance Day coming up in a few weeks, Mr. Speaker, and in this, the Year of the Veteran, as we should every year, make a special effort to commemorate the fallen and those who have sacrificed for our country and our freedom.
Mr. Speaker, I am also reminded of one of the great northern events that will be coming up next year, the Arctic Winter Games, to be hosted in Alaska. I want to wish all those athletes, volunteers, and coaches, all the very best in their endeavours. I understand the regional competitions are going to be starting up in the very near future, so we are already underway to another exciting season of Arctic Winter Games.
Mr. Speaker, I also want to leave my constituents with the very firm and clear message, that one of the messages at the very top of my agenda and other MLAs' has been the future of the residential treatment program for young children here in Yellowknife. That is a project that is still at the top of my agenda for those staff and those families, who have pursued that, and certainly for the 700 people who signed the petition for that great endeavour. Their project remains very much alive on my agenda. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Fall Greetings To Constituents
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Braden . I want to remind Members that Members' statements are to be on one topic only. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .
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Collection Of Unpaid Fines For Traffic Violations
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 612
David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have made a commitment to speak during this session about an issue that has affected a number of citizens recently here in the city of Yellowknife who, for various reasons, haven't paid traffic fines. Handcuffing homeless mothers and throwing them into jail for three days is just not a good way to collect fines, Mr. Speaker. As a recent Supreme Court ruling has shown, this practice is actually illegal.
This was unbeknownst to the City of Yellowknife municipal enforcement division, as they have been arresting people for the past nine years for unpaid fines. As we understand it, the City of Yellowknife has instructed its municipal enforcement officers not to act on any further warrants for committal arising from municipal bylaw or territorial legislation. This is the right thing for the city to do, Mr. Speaker.
In light of the recent decision, the Territorial Court will not issue a warrant for committal until a judicial hearing takes place. A summons will also have to be issued and served on the person affected before the hearing can take place. Issuing and serving a summons is a time-consuming exercise, Mr. Speaker. On average, it's estimated to take one-half hour to three-quarters of an hour, and each hearing will take an equivalent amount of time. For fines in the range of $20 to $200, it's just not a prudent or a cost-effective means of collection.
I also feel that the Department of Transportation has an obligation to the people of the Northwest Territories to advise them, in writing, prior to the expiration of their driver's licenses, or the expiration of their registration, especially given the fact that licences, Mr. Speaker, expire every five years and people can often forget about renewals.
The Department of Transportation has to make the necessary legislative or policy changes required to facilitate outstanding municipal and territorial traffic violation fines being registered with the motor vehicles registry. To me, this is just a commonsense approach of letting people know they owe fines, and it is an effective means of collection. When an individual would go to renew a licence or registration, they would be notified that they have outstanding violations. Without paying the fine, they could not renew registrations or licences. Mr. Speaker, given the recent court decision, this is something the Department of Transportation has to get to work on immediately. Thank you.
---Applause
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Collection Of Unpaid Fines For Traffic Violations
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .
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Issues Raised On Behalf Of Tu Nedhe Constituents
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Robert Villeneuve
Tu Nedhe
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this 4th Session of the Legislative Assembly will be adjourning for a few months after today, and I would just like to briefly summarize some of the important issues that have been raised on behalf of my constituents, and to remind some of the Ministers of their commitments.
I am going to start with the Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Minister of Health and Social Services and Environmental and Natural Resources. I will be looking forward to receiving a comprehensive review of the delivery of health services in Lutselk'e and Deninu Kue before the next session. I look forward to a favourable response from the federal government on the continuation of the Hook Lake Bison Recovery Program possibly being funded through the National Wildlife Disease Strategy framework agreements.
The Honourable David Krutko , Minister Responsible for the Housing Corporation and the Power Corporation. There are just too many housing issues to mention, and I think the Minister knows what many of those concerns are. The Taltson hydro project is also part of his portfolio, and I encourage the Minister to continue with open dialogue, and regularly communicating to the Tu Nedhe residents the Taltson hydro expansion progress, the updates, and the opportunities.
The honourable Minister McLeod . I would like to see the property assessment and taxation issues resolved by the end of this 15th Legislative Assembly, in cooperation with the Department of Finance. Transportation concerns are being addressed, but it seems like expediency is achieved only if the essential transportation links are cut off; something to keep in mind.
Youth issues, recognizably, one of the most important concerns in the small communities, but never seem to be
on Cabinet's radar screen; something the Members on this side of the House will continue to raise awareness on.
The honourable Minister Roland . The Finance department definitely has its work cut out for it, to address our quickly fading fiscal forecast in the wake of the recent announcements from Treasury Canada on corporate tax dollars the GNWT thought they had been entitled to receive, but have over-calculated on, resulting in significant surplus reductions in our budget.
The honourable Minister Dent . Nice to see that the Student Financial Assistance Program is making changes to better accommodate students' needs, but a lot more has to be done, especially for post-secondary funding arrangements based on per capita for small communities. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Villeneuve .
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Robert Villeneuve
Tu Nedhe
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker and mahsi, colleagues. Back to the Honourable Mr. Dent . Income support and day care have to be reprioritized, refined, and refinanced. I am confident that income support will survive the department's recent fiscal woes, and will continue to deliver these essential services, along with the new responsibilities, quite effectively.
The honourable Minister Bell . Community justice funding is still inefficient, and on-the-land justice programs should be...
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Could you conclude your statement, please.
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Robert Villeneuve
Tu Nedhe
Building community justice to capacity requires more dollars, and the benefits surely outweigh the additional costs to this government.
Industry, Tourism and Investment. What can I say, other than that there are some accountability issues and a low level of tourism dollars being allocated by this department, but things are moving along and seem to be in good hands.
Lastly, the Honourable Joe Handley . Devolution and resource revenue sharing negotiations are big ticket items, but we have to continue to support land claims groups and develop comprehensive strategies to work towards self-government implementation measures which will be a valuable tool as more claims are being settled. I applaud Intergovernmental Affairs' initiatives with regard to the Northern Leaders Conference, which the Northwest Territories residents are embracing as a good forum to express collective concerns and build better working relationships with this government.
In
summary, Mr. Speaker...
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve .
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Robert Villeneuve
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In
summary, I look forward to working on these and many other issues with our Cabinet colleagues, and Regular Members, to ensure the residents of the Northwest Territories and my constituents...
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve , for your statement. Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Thank you.
---Applause
Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .
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Library Services In The Tlicho Region
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 613
Jackson Lafferty
North Slave
Mr. Speaker, libraries, as centres of lifelong learning, do make a difference in the lives of children. Libraries have a special mission to young children and the parents, to encourage the love of reading and learning, and also greatly improve the education of our children and the quality of life for our citizens, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, the students of the Tlicho communities of Behchoko, Gameti, Whati, and Wekweeti provide limited library services to the children and ad hoc services to the community.
Mr. Speaker, the Tlicho Community Services Agency sees school libraries as an important part of school programs. They developed partnerships with southern universities to bring co-op programs to the library students to properly organize and catalogue the collection. But that is not enough, Mr. Speaker. These libraries typically close after school hours and during holidays. Students don't even have the opportunity to go to the community library to read, or even sign out books, Mr. Speaker, or spend time after school in a learning environment.
Mr. Speaker, Behchoko is the largest Dene community in the NWT, yet we do not have a community library. A library in Behchoko could play a vital role in the community, and in the region. The library should be a place where students go to do their research projects outside of class time, Mr. Speaker. Students should also have access to community learning resources for research on things that personally interest them, Mr. Speaker.
The entire community is feeling the effects of not having a community library. The library was extensively used by the community in general, and would provide a healthy and productive environment for our youth, Mr. Speaker. Having a library in Behchoko would serve as an important resource for the entire Tlicho region. A community library would also help maintain a history and a culture of the Tlicho Nation.
Mr. Speaker, people in Behchoko want to work with the Department of Education to identify partnerships. Currently, there are proposals to locate a new library in Behchoko in the sportsplex, which is currently empty. I will have questions later, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.
---Applause
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Library Services In The Tlicho Region
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .
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New Chief Elected In Jean Marie River
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Kevin A. Menicoche
Nahendeh
Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to congratulate Mr. Stanley Sangris, who has been elected as the new chief for the Jean Marie River First Nations.
---Applause
Mr. Sangris is no stranger to politics and has served previously in his home community. I wish him the very best in his new endeavours in serving his people, his community, and a special blessing to his family.
I took the time, Mr. Speaker, to phone Chief Sangris last night. Immediately he began by asking what this government is going to do about stockpiling the avian flu antiviral medicines, Mr. Speaker.
---Laughter
So I immediately conveyed to Mr. Sangris, "Since you went straight to work, I look forward to working with you on this and many other issues." As well, Mr. Speaker, he spoke about health, and that is very important to small communities like Jean Marie, and it has always been an issue for them, like the access to health and the delivery of health services. I look forward to working with Jean Marie on this and the many concerns that Chief Sangris has in his new mandate. Mahsi cho.
---Applause
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .
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Creation Of A Seniors' Secretariat
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, today I rise in the House to speak about the need for a seniors' secretariat, which we are going to need in due time. Some earlier and some way, way, way later.
---Laughter
Mr. Speaker, what the seniors need is to have an access to government programs so that when they go to the government, they can get this type of service.
However, Mr. Speaker, right now, these programs are scattered across departments like MACA; Health and Social Services; Education, Culture and Employment; and the Housing Corporation. We know how, at times, we seem to get into the mode of playing ping pong, back and forth with departments. It is important for seniors to express their concerns and interest to government at a single point.
The coordination of programs and services for seniors can help focus government policies on priority issues. Mr. Speaker, important priority areas include offsetting an increase of expenses that seniors is faced with as they get older. The rising costs for seniors are a great concern here in the Northwest Territories, especially because there are so many cases where seniors are living alone and depend on income support for daily living.
In closing, Mr. Speaker, addressing the need of our seniors and elders in the Northwest Territories requires this government to coordinate plans and programs for, and in partnership with, all the responsible departments. I believe that having a seniors' secretariat to turn to for support and direction could be a positive government initiative. They have to listen to, and be more responsive to, the concerns of the seniors. Mr. Speaker, I quote from the late Louie Taniton, from Deline: "We put you up there as an MLA. Don't forget us. Take us with you." Mahsi.
---Applause
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .
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Allocating Alcohol Revenues To Treatment Programs
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in the House today to speak about allocating Liquor Commission revenues to treatment programs.
---Applause
Each year, the GNWT earns a net profit of approximately $20 million through the NWT Liquor Commission. Each year, this profit is used and drafted into the general revenue funds.
Mr. Speaker, it is a reality that many social problems in the NWT are a result of alcohol abuse. The GNWT profits from the sales of this substance. I am not suggesting that the GNWT not see a profit of the sale, or the control, of alcohol. If the GNWT did not, then someone else would be receiving a profit. But God forbid, if we ever subsidized it in a failing program.
What I object to, Mr. Speaker, are that profits from the sale of alcohol are not directly funding any programs to the solutions of these social problems that it creates. That is the issue I have.
Currently, our economy is booming, as we all know, and it stands to continue with this trend. As we all know, this leads to more money in people's pockets, and for residents sometimes translates this into increased social problems. That is a difficult and an undesirable problem in a strong economy.
The NWT, in particular, is in a difficult situation. As we all know, our financial arrangement with Ottawa is such that, even while our economy is booming, this doesn't mean we have easy access to funding for programs to help mitigate the social impacts.
Mr. Speaker, it is time for a creative solution. What I propose is that at least a portion of the net profits from the Liquor Commission revenues be earmarked specifically for treatment programs. Out of the $20 million of profit, I am sure we can find a reasonable percentage to help,
over and above annual money going to treatment programs. That is not an unreasonable suggestion, nor an unreasonable mandate, to taking care of our people. The impact of such a move may be unclear at this time because no one really knows how this would spin out, but it certainly would show that we are doing something. We would actually finally be linking the cause of this problem to solving some of the effects it draws out. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Finance Minister will have my lucky questions of the day. Thank you.
---Applause
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Allocating Alcohol Revenues To Treatment Programs
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 615
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Addiction And Treatment Programs For Youth
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 615
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in every community that we visited while doing our pre-budget consultations, we heard from people that believe that this government needed to do more to address alcohol and drug addictions and their underlying root causes. Everyone had solutions or suggestions. We heard that we need to build more treatment centres. We heard that we don't need to build anything, that we just need to use the resources that we have in a better way. We heard that communities could do a better job than government in addressing the addiction problems of their residents.
The one thing that everyone agreed on was the need to work together to come up with a made-in-the-NWT solution to addictions problems.
---Applause
The one thing that I would like to see the government concentrate on is ensuring that young children do not develop addictions, and, if they do, treatment programs are available to get them ready to lead a full and productive life.
I believe, Mr. Speaker, that there is usually a period in a young person's life, usually in their teen years, during which, if we can protect them, basically, from themselves, and guide them through those years, at some point they come out on the other end with a much different outlook on life.
There are many adults in our society who have addictions. Some of them are pretty committed to their life of addictions. Mr. Speaker, I guess I am starting to be of the opinion that we need to stem the tide where it is entering into that group of people. I think that we can keep dealing with the group of addicted persons, but, in fact, if we don't stop and intervene at a young age, the problem is going to continue to grow.
Mr. Speaker, part of popular culture today idolizes a wild lifestyle, and young impressionable minds think that, in order to be cool, they should do drugs and live outside the envelope of normal society. Mr. Speaker, we know it is not cool to do drugs, and it is stupid. We ask ourselves, what would possess a person to try something like crack cocaine; something that can ruin your life, destroy your family and even kill you?
We need to encourage a positive lifestyle. We need to encourage role models to come forward and talk to young people and children about the benefits of education, sports and volunteering. We need to make it clear that a young person's dreams and visions for the future can be shattered if they allow themselves to become addicted to drugs and alcohol. Some of this damage, Mr. Speaker, is irreparable. Mr. Speaker, I will conclude my statement with that. Thank you.
---Applause
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Page 615
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.
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A Year In The Future
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 615
Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is about what I might read about, opening a newspaper one year from now.
---Laughter
---Laughter
"I will be known as President Handley. Everything here now belongs to its rightful owners."
Mr. McLeod and Mr. Roland issued the following statement from Mr. Krutko 's trailer, "We are happy to hear President Handley saying the pipeline will now be built because, if not, we, in the Beaufort-Delta, were prepared to pass our gas somewhere else."
---Laughter
Mr. Pokiak was absent and was last seen with a wheelbarrow and chainsaw leaving Tuktoyaktuk, and heading for Inuvik, and saying, "If you want something done, you have to do it yourself."
---Applause
Mrs. Groenewegen , after unsuccessfully trying to have her new country named "Hay River," was appointed secretary of state. She has just completed her first international visit. The United States is now a colony of the NWT, and ANWR is off limits.
---Laughter
Mr. Hawkins , in his attempt to become the first person to drive a Winnebago from North America to Japan had to abandon his trip after sinking the motor home 30 feet from shore.
Mr. Dent , seeking an easier line of work, has decided to take up ultimate fighting, with his first match scheduled for next week.
Meanwhile, Ms. Sandy Lee , looking for another place to release her energy, is hoping to become the first woman to come back as a man in the ultimate fighting octagon.
---Laughter
It is rumoured that her first opponent is known as C.D.
Mr. Menicoche , frustrated with the lack of ferry services, spent this summer, along with Minister McLeod , rowing vehicles across the Liard River. Once a winter road opens, he plans to move to Nahanni Butte to teach aerobics classes with granny in the new gym.
---Applause
Mr. Bell and Mr. Ramsay , after doing the math and splitting their $2 million lottery win, were vacationing in Fiji, where they met Mr. Braden , who is now a member of that assembly.
---Applause
He tells them that they have no snow removal equipment, and he plans to make that his mandate.
---Laughter
I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. McLeod.
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Item 3: Members' Statements
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Mr. Yakeleya , upset because he was unable to get his ice roads paved, is now trying to start his own country, with himself as president.
---Laughter
He had hoped to have Mr. Villeneuve join him, but Mr. Villeneuve was too busy in his new position as chief of Lutselk'e.
---Laughter
Mr. Delorey , along with teammates, Mr. Lafferty and Mr. Miltenberger , curling in the Briar, called Alberta on a point of order, and was successful in having sixteen points removed from Alberta's score. As of press time, it is now 0/0 in the third end.
---Laughter
Mr. Speaker, although I have taken the opportunity to poke some good-natured fun at myself and colleagues, after being here for almost a year, I can assure residents that we all take what we do very seriously. We are able to do this, Mr. Speaker, because we live in a country, because of our veterans' Remembrance Day is...November 11th is Remembrance Day, and the House will not be sitting, so I would like to recognize the contributions of our veterans today. I would encourage everyone to remember and show their support to our veterans, not just on November 11th, Mr. Speaker, but every day. Thank you.
---Applause
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Page 616
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .
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Tuktoyaktuk To Inuvik All-weather Highway
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 616
Calvin Pokiak
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise, once again, to raise an issue that is important to the Beaufort-Delta region. Mr. Speaker, I am sure Members in this House know what I am speaking about. I am talking about the proposed Tuktoyaktuk-Inuvik highway, but, more specifically, to source 177; the big, exciting song called A Long and Winding Road, Mr. Speaker. I just need a 22 kilometre access road to a much needed gravel source.
Mr. Speaker, this road is in alignment with the proposed Tuktoyaktuk-Inuvik highway. The Inuvialuit Final Agreement has a clause, where government and the Inuvialuit must identify gravel sources nearby to the Inuvialuit communities. Mr. Speaker, gravel source 177 is the closest gravel source to Tuktoyaktuk. Mr. Speaker, I understand ConocoPhillips intends to construct an airport like Parsons Lake. Why? Public Works Canada identified a new airport location for Tuktoyaktuk which is approximate to source 177, and along the proposed Tuktoyaktuk-Inuvik highway. This government should sit down with ConocoPhillips and plan the shared airport.
Mr. Speaker, the Beaufort-Delta residents need some economic opportunities. If this government can provide $5 million for each of the next three years for the project, it will bring economic opportunities to the Beaufort-Delta. Mr. Speaker, this project will create employment, training, and business opportunities. People in the Beaufort-Delta rarely depend on income support, Mr. Speaker. If this access road to source 177 does not proceed, many residents in the Beaufort-Delta will be forced to rely on income support; therefore, Mr. Speaker, costing the government more money.
Mr. Speaker, in closing, I urge this government to find and allocate the funds to start the 22 kilometre access road to gravel source 177, but, more importantly, Mr. Speaker, the start of the Tuktoyaktuk-Inuvik highway. Thank you.
---Applause
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Page 616
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .
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Apprenticeship Programs
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 616
Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to talk today about another file being actioned and being reported by the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . That has to do with the problems with the Apprenticeship Program, Mr. Speaker. We are well aware of how important this program is in terms of training our young people to become part of the skilled workforce that we desperately need. But when you see the difficulties the apprentices and the sponsoring employers have to go through, you wonder if the Minister gets this point, Mr. Speaker.
A constituent of mine enrolled in the plumbing/gasfitter apprenticeship program at the Thebacha Campus for January 2005. Two weeks before the start date, he was informed that the course was cancelled. His employer managed to get him into the same program at the Fairview Campus. He finished that and assumed that he would continue on with the second year this fall, and made his personal plans accordingly until, of course, ECE interrupts and says they will not approve such funding for him to go to Alberta because the Aurora College and Thebacha Campus will offer it, but not until next January and he will have to wait for that. Given his previous
experience, Mr. Speaker, this apprentice was not sure if he could rely on going to this program in January. In responding to my inquiries, the Minister tells me that he is doing everything he can to guarantee that second year is available, but he cannot guarantee that we can have these programs available for the first year.
Mr. Speaker, I wonder how the Minister could expect that the students, who are forced to start their Apprenticeship Program outside the NWT, should be easily made to come back to the North, Mr. Speaker. Deciding who takes a post-secondary education is a very important decision. It takes lots of pre-planning and organizing personal affairs. I believe it is a competitive field, and if we are going to succeed in this Apprenticeship Program, we have to make sure that the first year program is available in the NWT, so that students start at the NWT campus and finish at the NWT campus.
If they can't offer the first year, then the Minister and his department should not interfere when they make their own personal plans accordingly. They should be assisted to finish the program where they started. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 617
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .
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Item 5: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 617
Charles Dent
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I have a return to written question asked by Mr. Yakeleya on October 17, 2005, regarding student financial assistance.
How many people in the category of northern residents not schooled in the Northwest Territories have applied for student financial assistance from the government in each of the last three years?
Sorry, Mr. Speaker, I am reading the wrong question.
---Laughter
It may be a good answer, but it was the wrong question.
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Item 5: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Go ahead with your return to oral question, Mr. Dent .
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Further Return Question 217-15(4): Employment Insurance As Income
Item 5: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 617
Charles Dent
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Braden on October 21, 2005, regarding employment insurance as income. Mr. Braden asked why the Workers' Compensation Board has not accepted multiple rulings from the Appeals Tribunal regarding employment insurance in pensionable earning calculations.
Mr. Speaker, currently, the Workers' Compensation Act allows for the Governance Council to disagree with the rulings of the Appeals Tribunal and to ask the tribunal to reconsider its decision. Under the WCB Act, the Appeals Tribunal is required to consider policy when making decisions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .
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Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 617
Jackson Lafferty
North Slave
Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to recognize Norma Ann Jeremick'ca originally from Whati, who is here as part of my constituency. Beside her is Jonathan Simpson from Wekweeti. Mahsi.
---Applause
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Page 617
The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .
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Page 617
David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize one of our Pages that have been here, a constituent of mine, a young lady by the name of Courtney Northrup. I know she is not in the House right now, but she is a taller girl with curly hair, so if you see her, say hello to her. Thank you.
---Applause
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .
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Question 283-15(4): Allocation Of Alcohol Revenues To Treatment Programs
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 617
Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier today, in my Member's statement, I spoke about the percentage of net profits that should be linked to treatment of alcohol or substance abuse. I pointed out the $20 million that we receive as a net profit. Would the Minister of Finance please inform me if any suggestion of this nature has ever been made, or has ever come forward, to be considered that we start considering a piece of the percentages of the profit and use that to help solve the substance abuse problems we have? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 7: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Roland .
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Question 283-15(4): Allocation Of Alcohol Revenues To Treatment Programs
Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 617
Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of using the funds through the sale of liquor products for targeted spending in the area of drug and alcohol rehabilitation is something that has been discussed in many forums, and many times in this House. The response I will give is going to be very similar to what has been given before, which is the fact that we, as a government, already spend more than what we put back into general revenue from the sale of alcohol products into dealing with the problems we face as a government with drug and alcohol abuse. Thank you.
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Item 7: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .
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Supplementary To Question 283-15(4): Allocation Of Alcohol Revenues To Treatment Programs
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Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 618
Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will give the Minister credit for that. He is quite right. We already spend more than we probably do make in profit, but the fact is, in other places across Canada, they use the gaming revenues for their treatments of gambling problems. So, Mr. Speaker, it is about demonstrating that the problems -- and we are receiving profits from this -- should be dedicated to some of the solutions of the problem. Would the Minister consider going back and looking at this possibility? I know all the monies are going to be used to solve the whole problem, but would he consider going back and revisiting this policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 7: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. Roland .
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Item 7: Oral Questions
Page 618
Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the funds, as the Member pointed out, are transferred into general revenues. When we build our budgets, and the Department of Health and Social Services seeks funding for their programming, it comes out of general revenue so, in fact, we can say that that money does, in fact, go towards treatment of drug and alcohol problems. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Roland . supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .
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Item 7: Oral Questions
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There's no way I couldn't say that the Minister wasn't correct on that, but the fact is a few years ago this Assembly looked at putting a hotel tax dedicated to just tourism dollars. That never floated, unfortunately, but we could redirect this revenue to show how important this issue is, and the fact is, we may not be able to control the percentage in the sense of the actual dollars every year, but we can further demonstrate that we care about this problem, because good working programs don't have enough money. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister consider that? Thank you.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. Roland .
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Item 7: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if the Member is suggesting we put a new tax in place on liquor products and target that towards dealing with that, it's something we can consider, but, the fact is, because we already have funding from the sale of liquor products into general revenue, which then flows to the departments to run their programs and services, we are providing the funds we have available to us. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .
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Item 7: Oral Questions
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Well, I'll officially make it clear that I did not suggest a new tax, so I don't know where the Minister got that. That's the Minister's suggestion, for the official record, not mine. Mr. Speaker, I'll just leave a quick question to the Minister which, quite simply will be, would the Minister put it to a public question during this consultation process that's going on to let the public decide if they think the liquor revenues are important enough to go to part of the solution of the problem? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. Roland .
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Floyd Roland
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't know how many times I can try to answer the question with the same response. The fact is, what we do have in place now is working. We do put funds towards the issues of drug and alcohol abuse in the Northwest Territories on a number of fronts. The Department of Health and Social Services, when you look at their budget, has more expenditures in that area than we would get out of the Liquor Commission. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . We had quite a lengthy discussion in the House yesterday about depots and the availability of places to which people can return their beverage containers that are used after November 1st. I would like to ask Mr. Miltenberger , in how many communities today are there approved depots in place that are scheduled to commence on November 1st? Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we currently have nine community depots in: Yellowknife, Hay River, Inuvik, Fort Smith, Fort Simpson, Behchoko, Fort Resolution, Nahanni Butte, and, Gameti. I also understand Lutselk'e has now agreed, as has Trout Lake. Then we have discussions going on with Tuktoyaktuk, Norman Wells, Fort Good Hope and Paulatuk. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just for clarity then, every regional centre in the Northwest Territories has a depot at least, and also many of the small communities as well. In the communities that are regional centres, particularly those on the road system, is it anticipated and understood, to your knowledge, by the residents of those communities in that
region that they can bring their recyclable beverage containers back to those regional centre depots to receive their deposits back? Thank you.
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Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We've been working to make sure we communicate all the particulars of the program. We've given the Members the information, and we've been making the case that there are three processing centres that receive bottles or beverages, and then anywhere that there is a depot, anybody in the Northwest Territories, if they're travelling by road, or winter road, or by boat, whatever mode of transportation, can drop their beverage containers off at any community that has a depot. Thank you.
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Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to make that point clear for the public, because the way the discussion sounded yesterday, it sounded like if you were in a community where there was not already a predetermined depot, that you had no way of getting your containers back. In fact, many people who are...A lot of people travel a great deal in the Northwest Territories. They come into regional centres for everything from medical appointments, to bingos, to whatever. If they have a means of transporting them, they can bring them back there. That is the understanding of the depot operators, is that they will receive them from anybody in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.
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Yes, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So in fact, right now, are there any communities that do not have road access, winter road or all-weather road access, to a community that has a recycling depot? Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the communities that immediately come to mind would be Holman, Sachs and Paulatuk. I raised discussions with Sachs and Paulatuk, but there's been no final arrangement. Thank you.
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Bill Braden
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this afternoon are for Mr. Bell , the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment . It relates to another fascinating bit of news out of the national scene today, Mr. Speaker, that the federal government is now looking at taking up a 20 percent stake in the Mackenzie Valley pipeline project. Potentially seen as a way of appeasing the proponent's demands for a different financial arrangement in this project, those fiscal problems are seen as a major barrier, right now, to whether or not this project goes through. My question, Mr.
Speaker, is, does the Government of the Northwest Territories have a position on this amazing new development out of Ottawa relating to the pipeline? Thank you.
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Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We also read, with interest, the story in the national media, and I'd have to say that, obviously, we're very happy that the federal government is sitting down with Imperial to have these types of discussions, and clearly looking at a number of creative options to mitigate risk for the project in general. That means all the project proponents, the producers, and the Aboriginal Pipeline Group. That's certainly welcome news. Of course, we're not officially at the table in these discussions between the federal government and Imperial. We probably should be.
I would suggest if there are issues being discussed of this nature, we may very well be supportive, and I think we are, but we need to know what it will mean for residents of the NWT if schemes are being envisioned that might see royalties forgone and equity interest accumulated. We would say that's an asset, or a revenue stream, that should rightly flow to northerners, that should rightly flow to residents of the NWT, and will, post-devolution. But clearly, we need to be involved in those discussions, and are happy that the discussions are underway. Thank you.
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Yes, the Minister has certainly read my script on this one. If the problem that the proponents are having is that they want Ottawa to cut them a deal so that they get away with paying less royalties and taxes, just what does that mean for our stake in this? Mr. Speaker, the oil and gas belongs to northerners. We've been working very hard at getting a fair deal here. Now Ottawa is coming into this picture, let's connect the dots here. Does this mean that the Northwest Territories should be downscaling, or revising, our expectations of what we will see in the long term from oil and gas revenue? Thank you.
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No, Mr. Speaker, I think when we look at these types of options, it would be our expectation that, for instance, if the federal government were to, in lieu of royalties, take an equity position in the pipeline, that that would become the equity position of all residents of the NWT upon devolution. So whether it's a royalty paid in gas, or a royalty paid in cash money, we would suggest that that's a royalty that needs to accrue to the residents of the Northwest Territories. So we may, in fact, be indifferent, but these are all possibilities, at this point.
We're really not sure what's going on in terms of the discussions. We don't have anything official. We read the same news that Members are reading, and I think we would just suggest that we need to be at the table for these discussions. Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, I certainly want to make sure that we have the fullest possible review of this. But we should be cautious, and I think I'm hearing that from the Minister. We should be cautious about welcoming this without a really good inspection of it. One of the parallels that we should be considering is that the federal government already has a major stake in the Norman Wells oil field. They have had that since the 1920s. This has been a major sticking point in terms of getting a share of that resource for the North. I'm wondering if there's a parallel that the Minister should be looking at in terms of that infrastructure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Well, Mr. Speaker, it may be the option that the federal government is proposing. We're not entirely sure, but the Member is right in that this has been a sore point for northerners for quite some time. In Norman Wells, I believe the royalties were foregone and there was an equity interest built up in the project. The federal government characterizes that as federal investment. We say that's revenue that belongs to residents of the NWT. I think the difference this time would be if that scheme is proposed, we would know the rules of engagement going in, and we would very clearly establish that that's our interest. Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, the Deputy Prime Minister, Mrs. McLellan, has direct responsibility for this file. Will the government be approaching Mrs. McLellan to see that we can get a place at the table to follow this new development as closely as possible? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me first say that we've been very happy with the work that the Deputy Prime Minister has been doing on this file. I think media accounts, only short weeks ago, about a doomed pipeline, I think we can all see that that's not at all accurate. There's a lot of work going on behind the scenes. The federal government is doing a lot of work, as are the Aboriginal Pipeline Group, communities up and down this valley, and our government, Mr. Speaker.
I'm sure that our Premier will be in discussions very shortly with the Deputy Prime Minister, both to urge her to continue the good work that she's doing, and to indicate that we need to be involved in these discussions. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Transportation , going back to my Member's statement, from earlier today, where I was speaking about warrants of committal and how a recent court ruling by Justice Schuler says that a warrant for committal cannot now be executed without a judicial hearing happening first. I'd like to ask the Minister of Transportation if his department would be willing to give any consideration to linking the motor vehicles registry database with that of the fines registry. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Mr. Speaker, I guess the short answer to that is yes. This is something we've been working on, as a department, for a number of years now. I think we initially started working on how this could be made possible, in the year 2004. There was some concern over security of information, and who had access to that, and we were also concerned about having compatible systems between Justice and Department of Transportation. I think we've resolved those issues, and we are looking to implementing something early in the new fiscal year. I'm hoping that will be sometime in April. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm wondering if the Minister and his department have done any work on what the cost would be associated with the court costs, versus what the cost would be to implement such a system at the Department of Transportation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What we have been working on is a system that would allow us to have the Department of Justice electronically notify the Department of Transportation road licensing division that a person has an infraction on his record, and it would be red flagged so that when somebody comes in to renew their driver's licence, the staff person would be able to indicate to that person that he or she cannot renew her licence until they clear up the infractions. They would then have to go to the Department of Justice to clear up that account, or that fine, that had to be paid.
We have not done any evaluation of what it would cost going through the court system versus what we have. That's not something that we'd be interested in. We are trying to set up a mechanism that would have people clear up their accounts, and this is one of the tools we would use to do that. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm glad to hear the answers from the Minister. I think this is an important issue that the department has to be paying attention to. Last year alone, there were over 400 warrants of committal, and it's expected, probably this year, it will be the same amount. I want to ask the Minister, why doesn't the Department of Transportation, today, issue renewal notices for licence renewals and registration renewal? I think that's an important function of the department: to let people know when their licences are expiring, and their registrations are expiring. I'd like to know why they don't currently do that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Mr. McLeod.
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't say, with any definite certainty, when and why this service was discontinued. That's something we've been discussing internally. We looked at the merits of doing this, and it's also something we plan to incorporate back into our system where a person that has a driver's licence that will be expiring will be notified. So we're hoping that also to be part of something we bring on stream in the new fiscal year. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .
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Question 287-15(4): Corporate Income Tax Shortfall
Item 7: Oral Questions
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Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had a question for the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board Secretariat, Mr. Roland . I understand we no longer have a balanced budget. We're $30...
---Laughter
...I wish it was $30. Mr. Speaker, we're $30 million short, despite the strength of our economy in Canada. Mr. Speaker, would the federal government have been able to claw back that $30 million if we were not a province? Thank you.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Roland .
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if we were a province or territory, the fact is, the federal government does collect taxes on our behalf, and remits them to us. The situation we're in is as a result of the fact that there were less corporate taxes being paid in the year 2004. Whether we were a province or a territory, we'd be in the same situation. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .
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Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again, we have a strong economy, and yet we are so poor, Mr. Speaker, that we lost another $30 million. Surely if we were a province, we could control our own budget better than dancing to the tune of the federal government. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . I didn't hear a question there. Mr. Yakeleya , if you want to rephrase your question.
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Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you. Mr. Speaker, as I said, if we were a province we would control our own budget. I want to ask the Minister what our fiscal reality would be today as a provincial government.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . That's a hypothetical question. If we were a province. I will allow the Minister to answer, if he wishes to give some comments on it. Mr. Roland .
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the situation that we find ourselves in is more a result of our formula financing situation with the federal government. Provinces have equalization agreements with their jurisdictions and, as well, they have full control of development of resources and the royalty payments that they would be able to collect. In our situation, we are unable to do that. Our ability to mitigate some of the changes in our fiscal situation is limited because of our situation as a territory. There are other issues.
If we were to go towards provincehood, on the financial side, there would be other issues we'd have to deal with, and right now, our arrangement, for the most part, depending on what the expert panel has, and if they're fairly close to what our formula financing situation used to be, is that we would find ourselves in a better situation in the North. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .
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Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I apologize to the Minister, Mr. Speaker, what type of constitutional protection could we get in terms of becoming a province, versus a territory, for fiscal protection?
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we'd face other problems beyond what we face right now with formula financing. The federal government does recognize, to a large degree, the difference we face here in the Territories. As a result, we get a higher per capita amount transferred to the North. Our argument is still that that doesn't adequately address the cost of living, the cost of doing business in the North, and that's something we have to continue to do, is build a business case to show the examples that we have concerns with.
If we were a province and were into the equalization program, we'd probably find ourselves mirroring some of the smaller provinces in Canada right now, where their per capita is much lower. In fact, their debt situation is much higher than ours right now. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Roland . Your final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the other jurisdictions we work with in the area of finance, as well as with other Ministers and their counterparts, have been favourable. When we bring our issues to the table, we show our business case, and in a lot of initiatives we do get their support, and they help us through the situations we're in, or the negotiation process. They include us in many of those discussions and recognize the differences. We do get their support on a lot of our initiatives. The big difference, Mr.
Speaker, would be if we did get and when we do get -- I should say that -- when we do get a proper revenue sharing deal, we will then be able to deal with the situations we find ourselves in today. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .
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Calvin Pokiak
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last few days...(inaudible)...and complaining about the gas prices. The increase in gas prices is creating hardship to individuals and, more importantly, to hunters and trappers that rely on traditional food, Mr. Speaker.
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The gas price is going down.
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Calvin Pokiak
Nunakput
Some of these hunters and trappers have to travel 60 to 100 miles to search for wildlife. As I indicated yesterday, during Committee of the Whole, a five-gallon jerry can of gas is $33 in Tuktoyaktuk, and I found out it's slightly higher in Holman, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for petroleum products. Will the government consider any rebate for the hunters and trappers? Thank you.
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Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . The honourable Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Roland .
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, under the petroleum products division, we supply fuel to all communities that do not have a private sector. We do supply their fuel. Our involvement in those communities that we do supply fuel in, is to work within the fund that we do have. I gave an example of what we've tried to do with offsetting the cost of home heating oil by 10 cents a litre and using our stabilization fund to offset that. Thank you.
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Calvin Pokiak
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for the response, Mr. Minister. I think the question I have is, how will the department assist hunters and trappers to make sure that they have reasonable prices so they can travel to get their traditional food? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, from the Department of Public Works and Services and our petroleum products division, we have no programs, or any plans in place, that would offset particular parts of constituents or people out there who still practice traditional harvesting. What I have done is talked with the Minister of ITI in that area, and he's agreed to look into that situation to see what may be done. Thank you.
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