Debates of March 3rd, 2010

This is page numbers 4597 - 4626 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was territories .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 7-16(5): A Common Vision For The Political Development Of The NWT

Minister’s Statement 8-16(5): Electricity Review Update

Minister’s Statement 9-16(5): Update On Federal-Territorial Housing Discussion

Minister’s Statement 10-16(5): Minister Absent From The House

Tribute To Ken Hunt Of Hay River

Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

Medical Travel Services For Ulukhaktok Residents

Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

Support For The Northern Film Industry

2010 Arctic Winter Games

Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

Efforts To Attract Business Investment

2010 Arctic Winter Games

Northern Film Industry Opportunities

Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

Efforts To Attract Business Investment

Medical Travel Services For Ulukhaktok Residents

Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

Availability Of Traditional Foods In Northern Health Facilities

Media Briefing On The Deh Cho Bridge Project

Media Briefing On The Deh Cho Bridge Financial Data

Consultation On Caribou Conservation Measures

Petition 1-16(5): Dental Services In Nahendeh

Tabled Document 6-16(5): Report Of The NWT Power Corporation Review Panel, January 2010

Elimination Of Handling Fees For The Collection Of Milk Containers Under The NWT Beverage Container Program

Petition 2-16(5): Diagnosis And Treatment Of Residents Affected By Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (Fasd)

Adult Diagnosis Of Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder

Written Question 3-16(5): Addiction Treatment Options Available In The NWT

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Bill 1:

An Act To Amend The Veterinary Profession Act

Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Dental Auxiliaries Act

Bill 3: Miscellaneous Statute Law Amendment Act, 2010

Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Social Assistance Act

Bill 5: Apprenticeship, Trade And Occupations Certification Act

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:35 p.m.

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Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations , Mr. Roland .

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Minister’s Statement 7-16(5): A Common Vision For The Political Development Of The NWT

Ministers’ Statements

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to update Members on the work being undertaken to advance the 16th Legislative Assembly’s priority of working

toward a common vision for the political development of the NWT.

As Members are aware, the newly established Northern Leaders’ Forum is made up of a representative from each of the regional aboriginal governments, the Northwest Territories Association of Communities, MLAs Mr. Ramsay and Mr. Krutko and myself. We initially met in July 2009 to hold preliminary discussions about working on the development of a common vision for the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise that the Northern Leaders’ Forum met for the second time in November 2009 and we are united in our agreement to work together to develop a common vision and roadmap for the future of the NWT and build upon a solid foundation of respectful government-to-government relations. Now we need to turn our attention to formalizing our collaboration, identifying a common vision for this Territory we all call home, engaging the people we serve and learning from those who have travelled this road before us.

There is a wealth of information for us to build upon. There are national examples of how governments can work together for the betterment of all citizens. For instance, since 2005, the Council of the Federation has successfully provided provincial and territorial governments the

opportunity to identify, advance and resolve common issues and interests. All of the governments who participate in the Council of the Federation retain full authority and jurisdiction within their respective provinces and territories but are able to come together and discuss issues of national and mutual concern for the benefit of all Canadians. I believe this is what governments in the NWT can and need to do to enhance our collective ability to successfully advance key issues of importance for all Northerners.

All northern leaders expressed support to consider a similar approach, based on mutual respect and recognition, to determine the nature and extent of our future intergovernmental relationships.

Mr. Speaker, as Premier and Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations , I have made it a priority to meet with regional aboriginal government leaders on a regular basis. My meetings with all the leaders, through the GNWT-Regional Aboriginal Leaders’ Meeting forum (RALM) take place three to four times per year. Since taking office, we have met in the RALM forum seven times, with another meeting planned for later this March.

Our government is committed to attending the annual general assemblies of regional aboriginal governments. Over the course of the past year, Ministers and I have been fortunate to be able to attend a number of these assemblies held throughout the NWT, and look forward to the opportunity to attend more in the upcoming year.

Mr. Speaker, our government has also placed high importance on making ourselves available to meet individually with aboriginal leaders. These types of meetings provide the opportunity to address a range of matters that are of specific concern or interest to our respective governments and organizations and serve to further strengthen our one-on-one relationships.

The recent establishment of the Northern Leaders’ Forum, the multilateral RALM meetings, the annual general assemblies and the numerous bilateral meetings present many formal and informal opportunities to engage with the North’s leadership.

During the term of this Assembly, we have met on a government-to-government basis with aboriginal

government leaders more frequently than any other previous territorial government.

I believe that keeping open lines of communication among all northern governments and finding concrete ways in which we can work together is particularly important at times such as these. When we may not all agree on an issue. The challenge before us is to find respectful ways in which we can discuss these issues, seek common ground, and at times agree to disagree but to do so without compromising our government-to-government relations.

As I stated last session, I am fully committed to working with Members during the term of this Assembly to ensure that we achieve our goal of achieving a strong and independent North built on partnerships and to completing a common vision for the political development of the NWT. Currently the Northern Leaders’ Forum is developing a plan of action to guide us over the coming months and I’ll ensure that the Legislative Assembly is kept apprised of these developments.

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Minister’s Statement 7-16(5): A Common Vision For The Political Development Of The NWT

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 8-16(5): Electricity Review Update

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, electricity is an essential service in today’s society. Access to affordable electrical power enhances our quality of life and allows economies to grow. Without it, we face serious challenges.

Today I would like to provide an update on one of the Government of the Northwest Territories most important initiatives: the electricity review process. In November 2009 I tabled the report of the Electricity Review Panel titled Creating a Brighter Future: A Review of Electricity Rates, Regulation, and Subsidy Programs in the Northwest Territories, commonly referred to as the Electricity Review. This report was distributed to all communities and key stakeholders so they could provide comments for the Government of the Northwest Territories consideration.

I am pleased to report that a number of communities and key stakeholders took us up on this offer. We have received comments from the communities of Inuvik, Yellowknife, Fort Smith and Hay River, as well as the Northwest Territories Power Corporation and the Public Utilities Board. We have distributed copies of these comments to all Regular Members of the Legislative Assembly through the Standing Committee on Priorities and Planning. We will consider those comments as we work with the standing committee on the development of the Government of the Northwest Territories response.

As we develop our response, the key issue of concern to residents of communities -- high energy costs -- is at the forefront of many discussions.

It is incumbent upon our government to address this issue and achieve the objectives we set out at the beginning of this electricity review process:

reduce costs where possible;

distribute costs equitably; and

ensure

affordability.

When I tabled the report of the Electricity Review Panel our government proposed to develop a comprehensive response by March 2010. This response was to also consider the findings of the review of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation, a report that the Premier will be tabling later today.

As all Members have come to appreciate, the development of our response is a complex undertaking. In addition to consideration of the findings of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation review, we need to ensure that any change can work for all communities, residents and utilities in the Northwest Territories. I believe all Members of this Assembly agree that it is important we take the time to get it right. That is what we intend to do.

As we embark on completing this important work, I believe we need to make the choices that will strengthen the entire Northwest Territories. This includes access to affordable electricity for all our communities and our residents.

That is the task before us as we set a course for the future. The Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee will continue to work closely with the Standing Committee on Priorities and Planning to develop our government response. We have achieved a great deal of progress to date and I am confident that we will be in a position to release our response by May 2010.

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Minister’s Statement 8-16(5): Electricity Review Update

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 9-16(5): Update On Federal-Territorial Housing Discussion

Ministers’ Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak to the decline of funding from the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation and the challenges this decline will cause in the delivery of the Public Housing Program, as well as the potential negative impact on the condition of our housing stock.

There are clear signs that core need continues to be on the rise in Canada and in our own Territory. Earlier in this session I tabled the results of our

housing needs portion of the 2009 NWT Community Survey showing that we continue to experience a growth in core housing need. This is in spite of investments made by the federal government and our own government over the last five years through the Affordable Housing Initiative, the Northern Housing Trust, as well as Canada’s Economic Action Plan, all of which saw funding matched by the Government of the Northwest Territories.

Since the NWT Housing Corporation came into being in 1974, federal funding and cost sharing of the construction has been the norm. Canada as a whole has approximately 630,000 social housing units, with 2,400 of these houses in the NWT. Many of the agreements to fund the O and M of these houses nationally will be ending in the next several years.

In the Northwest Territories, the federal cost share portion of funding for the operating and amortization costs for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation public housing portfolio is declining, and will lapse entirely by 2038. The funding reductions began in 2003-2004, with reductions increasing each year as additional project agreements expire, resulting in a significant financial shortfall to the GNWT. By the year 2038, the impact to the GNWT will be a shortfall of $348 million dollars in O and M funding.

It has been estimated that an annual ongoing capital replacement budget of $35 million is required to implement the government’s strategy, through the NWTHC, of replacing detached public housing units with multiplexes and retrofitting units twice during their design life. A capital replacement budget of $35 million annually does not, however, address the requirement for new housing stock to alleviate core need or the impact of new family formations.

Based on the 2009 NWT Community Survey results, it has been estimated that approximately an additional 2,755 new units are required in the NWT to address existing core need. This number is larger than our entire current public housing stock of approximately 2,400 units, and clearly, under our current means, we are not able to meet the demand for public housing to all residents who require it. The decline of the federal funding will further hamper our ability to adequately house our residents.

In response to the impact of reducing federal support for housing nationally, the provinces and territories are working towards the development of a business case for Parliament to consider the reinstatement of public housing subsidies as part of a national housing strategy. I have raised specific NWT concerns on the future delivery of federal housing funding at tri-territorial discussions and most recently during the FPT Housing Minister ’s

Conference in December 2009. Those concerns have focused on:

the need for more public housing in the NWT;

the need for increased O and M funding in support of public housing;

support for funding formulas that are not based on per capita calculations; and

the design of housing programs by the NWT that reflect the importance of housing need in the NWT.

The three territorial governments are also working collaboratively to develop a northern approach to address the high incidence of core need in our northern jurisdictions.

Mr. Speaker, our government is also taking proactive steps to mitigate the reduction in federal support towards the operation of the 2,400 public housing units. The NWT Housing Corporation, over the past several years, has invested significant federal and GNWT capital resources in renovating and replacing detached public housing with energy efficient, multi-family housing units such as triplexes and fourplexes. These units are more economical to construct and are more cost effective to maintain, especially when the utility costs are taken into account.

As well, in order to minimize the impact of the declining CMHC funding, the NWT Housing Corporation extends the design life of each public housing unit from 25 to 50 years by performing complete retrofits. These retrofits are performed 20 years after construction and again at 35 years after construction. Public housing units are planned for replacement after a period of 50 years. Units that are looked after and properly maintained will see their lifespan extended and will reduce pressure on the O and M budget. Likewise, improved payment and collection of arrears will offset some of the losses suffered from the declining CMHC funds.

The NWT Housing Corporation is working on a strategic plan, as well as a 20-year capital needs assessment. A major component of these plans will outline our efforts to address the infrastructure deficit and work to reducing core housing need across the NWT. We plan on sharing our strategic plan with all Members before the end of 2010.

While the impacts to date on GNWT revenue and expenditures have not been excessive, it is clear that the reduction in CMHC and federal investments will begin to be more acute in 2010-2011 with the expiration of a broad range of federal funding initiatives and programs aimed at housing. This, coupled with ever increasing energy, O and M, and construction costs, will be a significant challenge to the NWT in the immediate future.

While we have seen great progress made in the development of new supply over the last several

years, it is also clear that the number of Northerners living in core housing need continues to be a problem that governments must tackle in a planned and strategic way. Through the proactive approaches I have outlined today and with a renewed strategic focus, I am hopeful that our public housing and homeownership programs will continue to serve our residents in the years to come.

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Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Minister’s Statement 10-16(5): Minister Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Jackson Lafferty will be absent from the House today and tomorrow to attend the Council of Ministers of Education meeting in Toronto.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Colleagues, before I go on with the business of the day I would like to draw your attention to and acknowledge a very special day in the House of two of our Members. It happens to be the birthday of the Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee , and the Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod . Happy Birthday to both of you.

---Applause

Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Tribute To Ken Hunt Of Hay River

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to use my Member’s statement to pay my respects to a Hay River resident who recently passed away.

James Kenneth Hunt passed away, surrounded by his family, in Hay River this past Sunday. A celebration had marked his 90th birthday last year

and a celebration and remembrance of his life will mark what would have been his 91st birthday in a

service planned for Hay River tomorrow.

Ken had a full and interesting life. He started his career with the Hudson’s Bay and served in posts as diverse as Ross River and Lutselk’e in a time when the Bay manager was everything from the recorder of the local weather to a stand-in medical care provider until help arrived.

He met his beautiful wife, Peggy, on a blind date set up by friends and it had to be love, as she joined him in Clyde River where they had their first home together. They had four children: Lynn, Jimmy, Bruce and Barb. He is predeceased by his wife in 2002 and his eldest son, Jimmy, in 2009.

Ken Hunt eventually made his way to Hay River in 1955 and that became home. He was the longest-serving member of the Hay River Volunteer Fire Department and attended the most recent firemen’s ball just this past December. His work career was varied because he was someone who made sure he was always busy and would step up to the needs and opportunities that came his way.

He finished his formal career as a Fisheries and Oceans inspections officer and that’s where I first met him. I was 18 at the time and he never hesitated to share his opinion on just about anything. I typed his weekly handwritten reports, which he always signed J.K. Hunt, and that was the name I fondly referred to him by.

Even by that time he had had some heart problems. He carried his nitro pills in his uniform shirt pocket and that was 35 years ago, so I’m amazed at how active and involved he remained.

They say that age is a state of mind. If that’s the case, then Ken Hunt never considered himself old. Never having known how to dance myself, but attending social functions that he attended, I loved to watch him dance; so light on his feet and such a gentleman.

He leaves behind a legacy of dedication to family and strong community service. This is now reflected in the lives of his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted.

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Tribute To Ken Hunt Of Hay River

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

With the greatest of admiration and respect I will say that I don’t think Ken would have won a congeniality contest and he had a famous licence plate on his van that would prove that. But he was good people with a strong presence and he formed an integral part of the fabric of Hay River. He will be missed. May he rest in peace.

Please join me in sending our sincere condolences to the Hunt family of Hay River.

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Tribute To Ken Hunt Of Hay River

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . My sincere condolences go on to the Hunt family, that’s for sure. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak about capital dollars for Lutselk’e. We are coming to the end of another fiscal year and the community of Lutselk’e is once again in danger of losing out on

accessing capital funding for another year; much needed funding for infrastructure and long-overdue municipal projects.

The community has a capital plan. They have identified the projects that are a priority. Unfortunately, because of inflexible policies within the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and the process of getting much needed capital money, the community is stuck in a morass.

Currently the community has a plan that is within the acceptable amounts congruent to what a settlement council would receive. Although the community wishes to negotiate hamlet status level, they will accept the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs delivering capital directly at a settlement council status level for the interim. The department must initiate discussions with the community of Lutselk’e now, specifically the Lutselk’e Dene First Nations, to complete the transfer of assets and capital dollars as soon as possible.

Some of the projects the community is looking to get started right away are building a new youth recreation centre, a new fire hall, gravel production, stockpiling, heavy equipment such as a water and sewer truck, a loader, backhoe, dump truck, and dust control. A water truck is an essential piece of equipment for Lutselk’e. If their current water truck breaks down, they will not be able to deliver water to the homes or businesses within the community.

With the barge season almost upon us we need to take advantage at this time and confirm plans for this summer’s construction season and get all the necessary equipment, supplies and materials in on this summer’s barge. I will have questions for the Minister of MACA on this later.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d like to speak about the difficulty that people in every community in Nahendeh are having in getting dental care and treatment. Many people in our region are eligible for free dental care, but the irony is that there are no local dentists available to provide that care.

The present situation is that a dental clinic is held twice a year. As well, according to the Deh Cho Health and Social Services Authority phone directory, although a position is allocated, we do not have a dental therapist at the Bompas School.

Dentists are very important health providers for people of all ages. A dentist can identify potential problems and give advice and provide treatment to prevent problems. Of course, dentists also treat

diseases of the mouth and respond to dental emergencies.

In recent years it has become known that dentistry is necessary for complete overall health, and dental problems can contribute to other health issues. For example, there is a link between teeth and gum problems and heart disease. Thus it must be recognized how important it is to have a resident dentist. It is likely the most economical means to serve the region.

Later this afternoon I will be submitting a petition from 134 people in Nahendeh requesting a full-time dentist and office in Fort Simpson. This dentist would serve all the communities of Nahendeh. Also, the other communities in my riding have a petition in the works. Unfortunately, I won’t be able to file those petitions in the House with the days that we have left.

In Nahendeh we are in great need of regular dental checkups and follow-up treatment. I would urge the Department of Health and Social Services to assist in establishing a resident dentist in our region.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Medical Travel Services For Ulukhaktok Residents

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When you live in a small, isolated community such as Ulukhaktok, air travel is the only lifeline all year round. There is no road to the community for assistance. When constituents have to leave for medical travel conditions, they have to wait for the next flight. Most of the time they’re sold out; they get bumped. The government must act to fix this problem.

During my last visit to the community of Ulukhaktok, the community brought up a very serious concern regarding patients who have appointments with specialists in Inuvik. Most of the time the patients cannot make their appointments due to Aklak’s small aircraft and the lack of seating. They are dealing with serious medical conditions, and when they can’t make their appointments, they have to wait for the next round of visits.

Mr. Speaker, there are only two seats saved for medical travel for patients out of the community of Ulukhaktok. Recently, a constituent received open-heart surgery in Edmonton. The nurse who takes care of the travel in Edmonton said it would best for the patient to go to the hospital closest to the home town. His wife told the nurse sending him to Inuvik didn’t make any sense as it would mean longer travel time and the high possibility of getting bumped due to Aklak’s small aircraft. Had he been sent to Yellowknife, this would have saved all parties physically and financially.

They had to fly him in from Edmonton to Yellowknife and then into Inuvik, wait in a transient centre for the weekend, and then off to Ulukhaktok on Monday, when they could have just stopped off in Yellowknife and flew him out on Saturday. There’s definite seating with First Air’s planes, they’re adequate, they have washroom facilities and would have saved both parties the time, and patients who have serious surgery would not have to go through so much discomfort.

Over the years I have raised many concerns regarding the GNWT’s medical travel policies and the ways suitable for small and remote communities. All over the years the Minister has found many excuses to defend the aircraft policies. What people in the Nunakput community of Ulukhaktok are asking is for this government to be creative, not so much with the excuses, but to be creative and implement our recommendations and the concerns regarding medical travel, administration, procedures and policies.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted.

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Medical Travel Services For Ulukhaktok Residents

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

As our communities and population ages, all the current practices are increasingly inadequate. Our elders and patients deserve more from this government. Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we do not need another Deh Cho Bridge financial boondoggle, yet we have already sunk more than $13 million in public money into the Taltson Hydro Project. I want to know how the public interest is being represented in the controversial and ephemeral proposed routing of the Taltson hydro transmission line to serve a single customer goal: the diamond mines. Where is the strategic thinking?

Restricting a transmission line to the east side of the lake may serve our project partners in their search for returns, but I don’t see a serious consideration of public interests, interests that would accrue with an alternative routing. A west-side routing would tie in the diesel communities of Kakisa and Fort Providence, cross the bridge designed to accommodate transmission lines, and link the Snare and Taltson hydro systems. We’d have renewable energy for Avalon secondary processing and the Nico, Tyhee and Avalon mines, and a shorter route on from Snare to the diamond

mines. We’d also get Behchoko and Yellowknife on an expanded hydro grid and off diesel completely. We’d have a diversified market of hydro customers insulated from the boom and bust of being committed to just one major customer.

Mr. Speaker, the NWT Hydro Corporation strategic plan promises a “feasibility analysis and design of a potential electrical grid for the NWT.” With 13 million bucks in public money invested, we aren’t any closer to that strategic vision. We have a plan to run a transmission line through a national park to the diamond mines instead of building an integrated distribution network serving the entire North and South Slave. Piecemeal expansion without strategic vision is not in the public interest.

Even a basic look at the $13 million of actions to date shows that they aren’t getting the big picture: the supply of power to go to where the economy is and where we can reliably predict it will be. It must go there.

The Deh Cho Bridge disaster proves the dangers of getting locked into arrangements with consortia that can lose control of their projects. Yet, here we are again linked in partnerships we could live to regret because of their lack of focus on public interests. If this goes off the rails, this government will once again be stuck with a bill for finishing a project too far along to abandon.

Mr. Speaker, it’s time for this government to take control of the utilities it owns and start building for the future. I’ll be asking questions…

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Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to talk about the supplementary health benefits. I know that some of the Members may be surprised that I’m talking about this, because the Sahtu communities are a majority of aboriginal communities and maybe the supp health benefits programs are not such a great concern.

Sahtu people have access to First Nation and Inuit benefit programs administrated by Health Canada. Most aboriginal people consider that this obligation flows from our treaty rights as First Nations people. The provision of a medicine chest is an obligation of the federal government, and this obligation now includes coverage of costs for drugs, eye and dental care, and some medical equipment. Metis Northerners are covered by the GNWT’s Metis health benefits, which is an exact duplicate of the Non-Insured Health Benefits Program, except this is administrated by the Health and Social Services.

So what’s the problem for me? Most Sahtu residents have extensive coverage. Probably the huge majority of non-aboriginal residents in the

We don’t provide housing to everyone who walks through the doors. We don’t provide income support to everyone who shows up at the office. We should be providing these supplementary health benefits to those who are most in need.

The Minister said that the income testing is a good way to determine that need. I think I can agree with that. If you’re 65 years old and have a large income, you can find coverage through private companies. If you’re 25 years old and a single mother with a child and you don’t have a job, then the government should help you with the coverage. That seems pretty reasonable to me.

I don’t want the Minister to return to the Members and tell us that she needs more money to provide new coverage to new clients and maintaining coverage to existing clients, or to tell Members that she has to reduce services in our small communities in order to provide the increased coverage in Yellowknife. I want her to make program changes to make the program provide services to those most in need of our help and not to cost the government more money.

Mr. Speaker, Members may not like the plans and the directions of the Health Minister , but at least she’s out there trying to work with the stakeholders in trying to get something done. Let’s do our part to get on with it and make the changes to these programs that need to be changed. The North is changing with our programs and needs to be changed now. Thank you.

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Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Support For The Northern Film Industry

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the vision of the GNWT is strong individuals, families and communities sharing the benefits and responsibilities of a unified, environmentally sustainable and prosperous Northwest Territories.

To have a prosperous Northwest Territories we need strong economies and opportunities for Northerners to find meaningful employment. This government spends a significant amount of their time and energy trying to support industry which will help create meaningful employment in the diamond industry, as well as in oil and gas exploration.

Although most of these focus on non-renewable resources which result in short-term employment, this is important and obviously must be continued.

Unfortunately, this government does not seem to put equal or even a portion of the attention or emphasis on renewable and more sustainable economies. When we do, we tend to overburden the business with excessive red tape, as outlined in the Canadian Federation of Independent Businesses recent report, Prosperity Restricted by Red Tape, which indicated that the NWT is not one of the Canadian jurisdictions taking an aggressive lead in this area.

As a government, we must place greater attention on smaller and more sustainable economies, business and industry which, although smaller than diamond mines or pipelines, will employ Northerners both today and long into the future.

One such industry which has sadly been ignored is the film industry. Prior to this session, my colleague Bob Bromley and I had an opportunity to meet with several passionate NWT-based filmmakers. These individuals are passionate about the industry and are frustrated by the GNWT’s lack of understanding of the benefits of the industry to the NWT as a whole.

A film industry in the NWT has a significant number of advantages to the NWT as a whole, including, but not limited to, employment for Northerners, promotion of the NWT as a place to live, visit and/or work, engage and support other business and industry such as airlines, hotels, transportation and expediting, et cetera, and promote the culture of our great land. Yet, sadly, there is virtually no attention or support given to this industry in the NWT.

Industry, Tourism and Investment employs one half-time position. The incumbent has a number of other responsibilities which compete for attention. Evidence shows that the film industry in the NWT suffers from this mixed attention.

Mr. Speaker, we, as a government, must pay greater attention to small, sustainable economies which will employ Northerners for the long term. The film industry is an example of a small, sustainable industry with which some support can offer employment to Northerners for the long term. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister of ITI some questions on this topic. Thank you.

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Support For The Northern Film Industry

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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2010 Arctic Winter Games

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the next few days NWT youth, their coaches and chaperones will be packing their bags, gathering their sports equipment and boarding

planes to travel to Grande Prairie, Alberta, for the 2010 Winter Games. This event, held every two years in the circumpolar region, is the Olympics of the North and the opening ceremonies will be held this Sunday evening.

For the last several years, thousands of NWT young people have been learning new skills, training hard to get and stay in shape and practising their sport diligently in preparation for next week’s competitions.

Involvement in sports and recreation activities can have a profound effect on young people and it’s well known that they benefit mentally, psychologically, physically and economically from being physically active. Youth who are physically active are far healthier than those who are not. They generally live a healthier lifestyle and are less likely to abuse alcohol or drugs and often do better in school. Lessons are learned through competitive physical activity; lessons which have a positive impact on the developing character of a young person. I have no doubt that every one of our Arctic Winter Games team have benefited from their involvement in sport.

I consider myself a jock, Mr. Speaker. I will never shed my love of, or for, sports. It’s given me many opportunities I would otherwise not have had and it’s enriched my life through relationships and unique experiences.

Many of our young people who have participated in the Arctic Winter Games experience to date have experienced local trials and team selections, regional competitions and territorial competitions. They have already benefited from this year’s Arctic Winter Games. For those who were not successful in making Team NWT this year, I say stay in shape, keep training and try again for 2012. It’s only two years away.

To the members of our 2010 Arctic Winter Games Team NWT, athletes, coaches, mission staff, chaperones, parents and other supporters who will be cheering, enjoy your week with old and new friends. Do your best, that’s all we can ask of you. Win or lose, you will have gained tremendously and we will be proud of you. So play hard but fair and do your Territory proud over the next week both on the sports field and off. Go, NWT, go!

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2010 Arctic Winter Games

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to follow up on a statement and lend my support to a statement made by my colleague from Frame Lake, Ms. Bisaro , yesterday about the situation presently at play with Northland Trailer

Park located in her riding of Frame Lake here in the city of Yellowknife.

Northland Trailer Park is home to close to 1,000 residents, Mr. Speaker. They are sitting on top of infrastructure that should have been replaced well over 15 years ago. Just last week a

section of sewer line failed and 300 feet of aboveground line was put in as an interim measure. Make no mistake, Mr. Speaker, the water and sewer lines located beneath these homes is a potential disaster in the making. The infrastructure needs to be replaced as soon as possible. Has our government got any plans to house these families and individuals should the worst-case scenario present itself?

Mr. Speaker, we need to help facilitate the replacement of this infrastructure, to work with the residents, the City of Yellowknife and help find funding sources to complete the $18 million worth of work that’s required.

Mr. Speaker, our government needs to be there for our residents when emergencies arise, and in life, Mr. Speaker, emergencies do happen, whether that’s in Fort Smith, Inuvik, Tulita or here in Yellowknife. As government, Mr. Speaker, we need to be watching the situation with Northland very closely. Planning has to be undertaken on how to deal with the potential emergency of health and social issues that a collapse of these pipes would cause. Mr. Speaker, I’m not trying to scare anyone. The reality is that this is an emergency and we, as a government, need to get to the table to help in whatever way we can.

To add to the complication of this situation, Mr. Speaker, the trailer park is not owned by the City of Yellowknife but the Yellowknife Condominium Corporation No. 8. The residents obviously can’t take on the costs themselves and, Mr. Speaker, I want to thank Mayor Gord Van Tighem, Councillor Brooks and other councillors as well as the administration at city hall for advancing this issue on behalf of the residents of Northland Trailer Park, and Mr. Wade Friesen, as well, for his help.

We will need to step up to the plate, Mr. Speaker, and I’ll be asking the Minister of MACA how the government plans on addressing this very real and urgent situation. Thank you.

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Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Efforts To Attract Business Investment

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the North is a great place to live. People are warm and friendly despite the climate some days. Certainly it’s a wonderful place to work and I want

more people in Canada and the world to know this, but sometimes I find it’s one of the best kept secrets out there. So today I want to express my concern to the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment and encourage him to take on a new and bold step to help attract businesses to the Northwest Territories.

We’ve all heard about what some other provinces do to attract people and businesses. Take Saskatchewan, for example. They are recruiting young people by offering to forgive their student loans. Quebec takes step by supporting business investment, so they can be established. New Brunswick has painted itself as the ideal place for call centres.

So, Mr. Speaker, many provincial and community governments are not sitting idly by waiting for businesses to show up on their door. They are out there aggressively attracting and pursuing those types of business investments. You can find their websites that provide masses of information that help those businesses make that relocation decision. It’s coordinated information that is useful in the busy climate of being in business. You can obtain information about how to attract skilled workers in that local area, cost of services, special grants, loans. It makes it really business friendly when that industry of investment starts working for their province.

Some provinces offer young entrepreneurs special mentorship programs and they certainly help them establish their businesses. Their governments know what’s going on, but, Mr. Speaker, I wonder if ours realizes what we’re missing out on. I can’t say the Government of the Northwest Territories isn’t open for business, but I can tell you the warm welcome isn’t there.

Mr. Speaker, we need continued investment in our economy. All you have to do is look at our continued drop in our corporate taxes to see the signals that are there. Businesses are either not busy or people are no longer coming to the North. Mr. Speaker, I want the Minister of ITI to consider starting a task force that could advise him on ways to help attract new investment and new businesses to relocate to the Northwest Territories. Perhaps we need to provide special loans; I don’t know. But that type of discussion needs to be asked: what works for business and what would attract them here to the North.

Mr. Speaker, there are a lot of opportunities that exist out there and I don’t want to watch them go by. I will have questions to the Minister later today and we’ll discuss it further then. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Efforts To Attract Business Investment

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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2010 Arctic Winter Games

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to recognize some 45 athletes who will be travelling to the Arctic Winter Games from my riding...

---Applause

...Mr. Speaker. That includes cultural events such as dancers, such as the Gwich’in Dancers from Aklavik who are led by Annie Buckle, as well as the people who are participating in the Dene Games. We also have Stephanie Charlie who is going to be participating in hockey, which is again breaking the ice to get the athletes from the smaller communities to be involved in the larger teams.

One of the big achievements we had this year was with snowshoeing, biathlon and cross-country skiing where the Hanthorn family, which consists of six individuals, made the NWT Ski Team. Again, it shows that dedication, commitment and also hard work pays off. It shows that small communities can compete in these large events.

The majority of the athletes that are going are in snowshoeing. Mr. Speaker, it shows where there is commitment, volunteering of their parents, the community, their support and the individual who takes the time to put in the effort, make the team and help each other through this challenge.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to pass on my support to all the athletes, wish them well and make us proud, realizing that some 45 people representing the Northwest Territories at the Arctic Winter Games are from two of the communities in my riding, Aklavik and Fort McPherson. I am not leaving out Tsiigehtchic where they do have one athlete going for Dene Games.

With that, I would like to wish them all the best and I look forward to seeing all of them in Grande Prairie at the Arctic Winter Games.

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2010 Arctic Winter Games

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Welcome everyone in the gallery today. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings. It’s nice to have an audience in here. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 23-16(5): Northern Film Industry Opportunities

Oral Questions

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As outlined in my Member’s statement, as a government we must place greater focus and attention on small, sustainable and local economies. The NWT film industry would support

employment, cultural promotion, highlight the NWT as a potential place to work, visit and live, yet there’s little or no GNWT support for this industry. Clearly ITI doesn’t recognize the value of this industry. Filmmakers in the NWT would like an opportunity to demonstrate the value that this industry does have to the NWT.

As such, they would like the GNWT to facilitate an independent review of the film industry to highlight the potential advantages here in the Northwest Territories. Would the Minister commit to facilitating such an independent review? I believe that if he did, the Minister will be very surprised at how many benefits this industry will bring to the Northwest Territories.

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Question 23-16(5): Northern Film Industry Opportunities

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 23-16(5): Northern Film Industry Opportunities

Oral Questions

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member will be pleased to know that I have already committed to do an independent review of providing support to the NWT film industry. Your fellow colleagues have already indicated the need for that and we’re very pleased to be able to undertake an independent review.

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Question 23-16(5): Northern Film Industry Opportunities

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

That is very good news. Building upon this review, some of the NWT-based filmmakers would also like an opportunity to meet with the Minister himself to help him understand the impact this industry could have on the Northwest Territories. Would the Minister also commit to meeting with a small delegation of these NWT-based filmmakers, myself and my colleague Mr. Bromley , to discuss the industry in hopes of helping the Minister better understand the industry as a whole?

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Question 23-16(5): Northern Film Industry Opportunities

Oral Questions

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Recognizing that most Members don’t like us to use consultants, we’ll be doing this review in house. We’ll be pleased to meet with the independent filmmakers and MLAs Bromley and Abernethy. I’d also like to inform the Member that, and of course your colleague MLA Hawkins, we are having NWT Film Week at Northern House I believe next week.

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Question 23-16(5): Northern Film Industry Opportunities

Oral Questions

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I’m sorry, I forgot to include my colleague Mr. Hawkins . Obviously he should be there as well. Lastly, I’m glad you’re going to be doing the review, but I think it’s very important that we get outside-of-the-government input as well, not just the filmmakers, but other industries and people that would benefit from the industry. I was hoping I could get the Minister to commit to going well beyond just the filmmakers themselves.

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Question 23-16(5): Northern Film Industry Opportunities

Oral Questions

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I’ll be pleased to accept any suggestions that the Member may have. We were intending to look at what other jurisdictions were doing, as well, to see what we could incorporate.

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Question 23-16(5): Northern Film Industry Opportunities

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 24-16(5): Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to follow up on the demands of my constituents in Nahendeh and my Member’s statement with regard to the residents coming up with a petition and public showing of the need by the constituents of Nahendeh to establish a dentist office or a dentist in the community of Fort Simpson to serve the region. I’d like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services how my constituents and myself can work towards establishing such an office in Fort Simpson.

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Question 24-16(5): Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 24-16(5): Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand the concerns of the people from Nahendeh as I have heard a lot of that when I did a regional tour with the Member. The fact is that dental service is not a service provided by the GNWT. It is one that is administered by the non-insured health benefits. Our health authority there does provide assistance in this regard, but we have had very difficult times attracting dentists. Whenever we put out interests in contracts, we just are not getting enough interest. None of the northern dentists have applied to practice there.

I believe Deh Cho Health was able to get a contractor from Quebec. With the contractor in place, with a dentist in place I’m hoping that they can catch up and do more visits into the Nahendeh.

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Question 24-16(5): Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

That’s exactly the issue that the constituents have shared with me, is that there are just lengthy delays in travel to and fro to get their needs met and often they have to wait several days. Especially when someone has a toothache, it’s not a very good situation. However, in terms of medical travel to get to Yellowknife or Hay River in the case of Fort Simpson, who covers that cost?

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Question 24-16(5): Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Dental services are the responsibility of the federal government under NIHB Program, as it is the federal responsibility to provide dental care to our aboriginal residents all across Canada, including the NWT. Where there are medical emergencies, if it’s medical it could come under GNWT responsibility. We do respond to medical emergencies and we do cover for medical travel. I think part of it is billed to NIHB and part of it is covered by GNWT.

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Question 24-16(5): Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I think, if anything, the cost of the medical travel... I don’t know if there can be some research done. Perhaps the Minister can work with the office of the federal Minister with

regard to health and social services and NIHB. Will the cost of the medical travel balance off with establishing a full-time dentist in the community of Fort Simpson?

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Question 24-16(5): Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

Oral Questions

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I believe this issue is not just about cost, it’s about shortage of dentists. Their services are at a high premium. They mostly work in the private sector. They choose where they’re going to work. Having said that, I am willing to undertake this issue and see what we can do. I’d be happy to discuss it with my federal counterpart to at least stress the point of the importance of dental services that NIHB provides in our small communities and what room there is for us to see if they can step it up a bit.

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Question 24-16(5): Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 24-16(5): Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased that our Minister is willing to raise that the next time she meets with the federal Minister. Also, as they work towards it there must be some creative solutions, like providing incentives of getting a private dentist into the region. Often when that is the case, they are able to take up the workload of NIHB. I’m glad the Minister is willing to do that. Will she raise the issue the next time she meets with the federal Minister?

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Yes, I will undertake to do that.

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Question 24-16(5): Dental Care Services In Nahendeh Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 25-16(5): Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services . I want to ask her questions on the Extended Health Benefits Program. I want to ask the Minister what the total costs are of the existing Extended Health Benefits Program.

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Question 25-16(5): Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 25-16(5): Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We spend about $8 million for non-aboriginal residents of the Northwest Territories. We spend a couple of million dollars for Metis health. The aboriginal residents of the Territories receive their extended health benefits through NIHB, which is a federal program.

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Question 25-16(5): Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I want to ask the Minister a technical question. How much does it cost the government to top up payments for people who already have 80 percent coverage of their drugs and earn large incomes?

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Question 25-16(5): Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I don’t believe we have our stats broken down into that detail, but it is true under our current system that those with employer insurance, whether they work for the government or whatever third-party insurance they have, if they are over 60 they get a top-up. Nobody else would get the top-up. Same for those with chronic conditions. If they have private insurance they will get a top-up. But because our system basically covers 100 percent of it all, they come straight to us.

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Question 25-16(5): Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Will the Minister implement a program which supports low-income earners without coverage so that these people and their families can get assistance with the cost of their drugs, visits to the dentist and costs of eyeglasses?

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Question 25-16(5): Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

The consultation that we are doing right now on the basis of the public discussion paper we have out there is geared toward having a discussion about that, explaining what our extended health benefits are doing right now. Right now anybody who is over 60 or with a specified condition that is on the list gets 100 percent coverage no questions asked, as long as they have NWT health care. What the program does not provide is for those who are not 60 or who are not eligible for the specified medical condition and they do not have insurance coverage. Even if they don’t have any insurance coverage, they can’t access any top-up or anything like that.

What the public discussion paper states is why don’t we roll this all into one program where the benefits will stay the same. We do want to still offer extended health benefits, but we need to look at who should access this fund. We’re not talking about eliminating anybody from the program, but those with the ability to pay, perhaps could help us with that. That’s part of the discussion. Everybody will get a fair chance to have access to benefits, but their ability to pay should be a factor, as well as other factors.

The information we give out here says that in fact the ability to pay, an income level does not discriminate by age. There are high-income earners and low-income earners of all ages. We want to have that thorough discussion with the public.

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Question 25-16(5): Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 25-16(5): Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Interesting response in terms of the health benefits. In my Member’s statement I talked about the various programs the federal government has for aboriginal people, the GNWT has for the Metis people, and now we’re talking about the non-aboriginal health benefits here. I would like to ask the Minister, if we don’t do anything, would these benefits that are extended exceed the other benefits that people have such as the ones that we’re talking about, the ones who do have the

ability to pay. That’s what I’m looking at in this program here. Will that exceed what the aboriginal and Metis people are going to be getting if we do allow this program to be wide open?

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Question 25-16(5): Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I think it’s important for people to know that the NIHB Program is completely separate from extended health benefits. That is a federal program and what happens there would not have a bearing on what happens with extended health benefits. This is our GNWT program. This is extra health benefits that we provide to our residents above and beyond what’s normally considered under the Canada Health Act. We have some of the most generous programs. We cover prescriptions, vision care and dental care for our seniors. We cover 100 percent of specified conditions.

We are not talking about reducing benefits, but what we are saying is we need to recognize that income level in quite similar in all age groups. There are people who are young and who are making low income and there are people who are older with high income, and we are saying let us look at income as one of the threshold questions and see how we can make the system more fair and equitable. We are wanting to listen to the people about what they have to say about this, but it is something that we need to have discussion on. Thank you.

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Question 25-16(5): Proposed Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits Program

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member’s statement I spoke about the need for capital projects in the community of Lutselk'e and the inflexible policies of MACA that has not allowed Lutselk'e to access this funding for several years. Can the Minister tell me what the department can do to rectify this situation to ensure capital projects are delivered in Lutselk'e soon? Thank you.

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it’s actually a federal act that prohibits the community from owning real property under the federal Indian Act. We have been working with the community and other communities to try and find solutions so the communities would be able to deliver their capital plan, and we would continue to try to work with the community of Lutselk'e to come up with some options for accessing the capital money. Thank you.

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, since this can’t continue or shouldn’t continue that the community is unable to access, can the Minister outline some of the options that are available or some of the options that they spoke to the community about? Thank you.

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, one of the options is the community can seek hamlet status or they can incorporate an interim corporation that would be able to hold real property on behalf of the community until the land claims are resolved. We have seven of the eight band communities that are already in that process, some have formed their interim corporations and some are just in the process. If you go to hamlet status, that process could take several months to get completed. If you were to form an interim corporation, that whole process could take as little as a month. Thank you.

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, should the community of Lutselk'e not wish to seek hamlet status at this time or have their infrastructure held by an interim corporation, would MACA consider delivering Lutselk'e capital plan directly before another construction season is lost? Thank you.

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, since the introduction of the New Deal we really don’t have the capacity to deliver capital projects on behalf of the communities. The department has been restructured to support the communities that want to deliver their own capital plan and if we were to do that in this particular case, I would see that as a step backwards in not being able to develop community capacity.

But, like I said before, we continue to want to work with the community so they can set up an interim corporation so that they would have all the authority to make the decisions that affect their communities and not have those decisions made by the government, which is what the whole idea of the New Deal was and we’re trying to get away from doing that. Thank you.

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Your final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister discuss with Cabinet to see what can be done within the provisions of the acts, like within provision of the Indian Act, within the provisions of the NWT Act, to allow the community to receive interim appropriations for capital projects for this coming construction season? Thank you.

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Mr. McLeod.

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can commit to having that discussion with my Cabinet colleagues; however, I will encourage the community to take the responsibility, take the first step in forming an interim corporation, then the money would be able to be flowed to this interim corporation and they

would look after the projects on behalf of the community until land claims are settled. But this would give the community the authority, so I would encourage them to do that. Thank you.

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Question 26-16(5): Lutselk’e Capital Infrastructure Requirements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 27-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of MACA and it gets back to my Member’s statement where I was lending my support to my colleague Ms. Bisaro , who yesterday raised the issue of Northland Trailer Park. I’d like to ask the Minister of MACA , potentially, we have close to 1,000 people that could be left homeless. We have safety issues, health issues and a variety of social issues that could present themselves to this government in a real way. I’d like to ask the Minister of MACA if the situation in Northland in the city of Yellowknife has ever been brought up at the Cabinet table by himself or any other Cabinet Minister. Thank you.

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Question 27-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 27-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my time as Minister of MACA , which has been about a year and a half now, I have not had this discussion with Cabinet. I’ve had some conversations, are we able to do this, but MACA is not mandated to fund corporations or private landlords for the provision of water and sewer infrastructure. Thank you.

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Question 27-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

So, Mr. Speaker, what I’m hearing the Minister say is the government would rather just wait until a potential disaster happens and these pipes fail, these residents are left homeless, and we have the health issues and the social issues that will be certainly a burden on this government. Are we waiting for that to happen and how come we aren’t being proactive, Mr. Speaker, in dealing with this situation? Thank you.

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Question 27-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I think nowhere in my answer did I say we’d rather wait until something happens before we act on it. This is a private corporation within a municipal boundary. We will work with the city if we have to try and find some solutions to ask MACA to fund it. I think with our $168,000 in extraordinary funding, I don’t think that will get us very far. Thank you.

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Question 27-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

When we need to find money, obviously, the government’s quick. We just approved $15 million in a supp for the Deh Cho Bridge last week. I find it kind of ironic that we have a potential situation here that could impact close to 1,000 people. I’d like to ask the Minister what

mechanisms does the department have at its disposal to address an emergency situation like the one that could present itself very near in the future with Northland Trailer Park. Thank you.

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Question 27-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, again, I say this is a private corporation within municipal boundaries and if it ever came to an emergency such as that the Member’s describing, then I think we’d be working with the city to see how we can take care of the problem in conjunction with the city. Thank you.

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Question 27-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Your final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 27-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I didn’t hear the Minister close the door to looking at some possible solutions and working with the residents and the City of Yellowknife. I’d like to ask the Minister if he could perhaps designate somebody in his department to spearhead those efforts with the City of Yellowknife and the residents of Northland Trailer Park so that the government is up to date and up to speed on what exactly is happening there in finding potential solutions. Thank you.

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Question 27-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, we continue to monitor the situation because we know it’s a concern to Members across. We will monitor it if we have to work with the city to find some alternative funding arrangements, whether it be, you know, there’s the gas tax money that the city receives, there’s the capital formula money that the city receives. This is a private corporation and if we were to start that process for one, who’s to say that in a small community if you own an apartment and the water and sewer goes, that the government will pay for it. This is privately held land within a municipal boundary.

Like the Member said, we’ll continue to monitor the situation and see what advice and any part we can play in it. Thank you.

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Question 27-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 28-16(5): Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up on my Member’s statement earlier today. With the money being spent on Taltson, we could have built Lutselk’e and Whati mini-hydros, had them half paid for and started community residents on 50 years of reduced power costs. Instead, we have a plan for building the world’s longest extension cord to a dead end with a one-industry client base. This is the kind of sound management that put us on a $180 million hook for a bridge. Why has the shareholder -- that’s us -- permitted the Hydro Corporation to pursue any system development without an electrical grid analysis and long-term plan completed? Thank you.

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Question 28-16(5): Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation , Mr. Roland .

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Question 28-16(5): Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the NWT Hydro Strategy, we’ve put that in front of this House. It’s a public document. We know we’ve got to continue to do some work. There are future plans for having the interconnectivity as the Member discussed.

Specifically on this project, as the Member is aware from his own past work in a government department, it takes a lot of preparation that goes into getting to a point where you have a project that you can bring to the environmental phase and that process. Before you can sign agreements, you need to know what that final environmental piece would be so if there are changes required to a project, that will potentially change the outcome. The Member is right; it’s in the neighbourhood of $13 million that we’ve done this work on the Taltson and we’ll continue to look at that and negotiation is underway on that piece.

We looked at options of running the lines alternate routes for the Taltson Hydro Facility, but doing that added more money to the project and this project has always been one where it’s going to be the power purchase agreement that makes it happen or not happen. Thank you.

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Question 28-16(5): Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

There is still no real plan in place and what have we got to show for the work that’s been done so far? The Hydro Corporation has promised feasibility, analysis and design for a potential electrical grid. Where is that? What is the status of its development? Why is this majority shareholder permitting its corporation to concoct multimillion dollar schemes without a business plan for the development of our electrical system?

So, Mr. Speaker, we’ve talked about hydro strategies and so on, but we have never seen any work come forward. When we have asked questions, it’s been written off out of hand. We’ve asked for prices on alternatives and it’s treated leisurely as if we are in left field. So where is the real work that’s been done here, Mr. Speaker?

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Question 28-16(5): Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

The Member is aware we have shared the information about alternate routes on the Taltson Hydro Project. We have shared the information about where the breakdown is. For example, out of that $13 million, $2.2 million, or 17 percent, went to engineering; $3.1 million, or 24 percent, when to environmental; $4.6 million, or 35 percent, of that funding went to the regulatory process and the partnership agreement; $1.3 million, or 10 percent, has been spent in that area, and legal and finance makes up the rest of that area. We’ve shared the updates on this project, where it’s gone.

We’ve pushed to see if the alternate routes are more feasible. Again, it comes to the ability to make this project finance itself on

the sale of electricity. If we want to, as a government, go alternate routes, then let’s take a look at that. Thank you.

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Question 28-16(5): Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I am talking about public interest. I’m talking about this government representing the public and getting a deal that will support our economy. Yes, we’ve done good work on that project. The problem is the front-end thinking is missing. Where is the public interest? I have a feeling there are all kinds of organizations lining up to partner with the Government of the Northwest Territories. I mean, how could they not enjoy the millions? Everybody else seems to be. So I’m saying where is the front-end thinking, Mr. Speaker? Where is the vision?

We’re talking hydro, we’re talking a 50-year time frame and I want to know where the thinking is to make sure the public interest is... When we get in bed with these partners, we seem to be ensuring them big returns. Where is the public interest being looked after in this equation? Thank you.

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Question 28-16(5): Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

The thinking on this is thinking about building capacity with our aboriginal partners across the Northwest Territories. Unfortunately, the Member doesn’t put more weight and bearing on that piece of it. We do, as the Government of the Northwest Territories. We will continue to do that.

We have looked at this project and this project has been built on a pure case of a business model. If we want to establish more to it, then we can do that.

Members of this Assembly have the Hydro Strategy. If we want to take particular pieces of that and put the emphasis on that, then let’s sit down and work that process out. We know it’s got to change as we go forward, but this one project has been designed on a business case of having a client to sell the product to. On that basis, it’s gone forward. It’s been laid out. It’s been through Members’ updates and briefings and we’ll continue to do that.

Ultimately, a decision on this project is going to be based on agreements in place that make it profitable. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 28-16(5): Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m sure it will be profitable to our partners. What I’m talking about is public interest. So, yes, I would like the Premier to commit to a re-examination of the more costly alternatives, but the one that actually goes forward with the public interest addresses multiple goals rather than services a single provider that we hope is going to be there long enough to help pay for the system and put it around the west side where we know there are permanent customers

waiting to use that power in a responsible way over the long haul. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

To get the key pieces in place and make the final connections, we need to have a client to sell this to. This project is about building the economy of the Northwest Territories. It is about reducing our greenhouse gas emissions across the Northwest Territories. This potential project, if it were to go ahead and be completed, we’re talking 700 direct jobs during this phase, 230 indirect jobs, building a shareholder base and building capacity within our aboriginal corporations in the Northwest Territories. That’s the forward thinking.

That is building the economy and spreading it out across the Northwest Territories, in fact, by limiting our own impact on greenhouse gas in the Northwest Territories. So if this project goes, and it will go only by the fact that it’s a business case model, if we add more to it, then we lose the business case and there is no project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 28-16(5): Proposed Routes For Taltson Hydro Expansion Transmission Lines

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 29-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are addressed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . I want to follow up on some of the questions that were asked and answered yesterday with regard to Northland Trailer Park. The Premier yesterday, when I asked him a question about what existed out there to assist the Northland group, stated, and I quote from Hansard: “There are a number of emergency funds that are out there.” So I’d like to ask the Minister if he could elaborate and list those funds for me. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 29-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I’ll take that question as notice.

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Question 29-16(5): Northland Trailer Park Water And Sewer Replacement Project

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 30-16(5): Efforts To Attract Business Investment

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I was raising the issue of finding ways to attract businesses to the North, to create investment opportunities for all. My questions will be directed to the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment . Today I’d like to ask him, as my first question, what programs and services

does his department offer that target specifically to attracting businesses to relocate in the North, to be established in the North. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Member seems to want us to take on the provinces and he seems to think that the provinces are doing a great job. I agree that the provinces are doing a great job, but they have significantly more resources to work with.

The Province of Alberta, for example, has trade missions around the world. They have their own aircraft fleets that they can fly around to attract businesses. They have tax credit programs and tax initiatives. They have funding so that they can subsidize businesses to locate into their provinces.

The Member also mentioned Saskatchewan, where the Government of Saskatchewan is subsidizing student loans. I think what he’s suggesting is an approach that would wreck all of the programs that we’ve worked so hard to develop. I think he’s suggesting that we should get rid of the Business Incentive Program and I think that he’s suggesting that we should be funding Southerners to come and move up here.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Well, I’m really sorry that the Minister of ITI only heard that, because that’s not what I said. I suggested perhaps taxation is the right approach. I’m not necessarily sure. This government has foregone many taxes on the diamond mines as they were established and started producing. It’s not unusual for this government to find creative ways. What I’m really asking the Minister is if he can show me and explain to this House what programs we offer to attract business and investment in the Northwest Territories.

If we don’t have a specific program targeted at that focus, would he consider establishing a program in a process that works for the Northwest Territories but doesn’t necessarily try to compete or look like Alberta in the sense of size?

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Our focus has been mainly to invest in and help develop northern businesses and northern entrepreneurs. We also have funding to promote the Northwest Territories as a great place to invest in. We have limited resources, so as much as we can, we use the media to multiply the effects of the money that we spend in that regard. We do work with businesses that are interested in moving up here and I think that our predominant approach is to develop our northern workforce and our northern businesses.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

The Minister knows I respect him very much, but I think he’s missing the point that I’m after. I don’t mean this in a mean way, but the reality of our funding agreements and our budget

are tied around federal grants. Those federal grants are tied specifically to population and growth. So 75 percent of our budget plus or minus is based on federal grants. At $22,000 per person, that’s a lot of money. A hundred people in the Northwest Territories could mean over $2 million of just federal money, not talking about tax, not talking about what they bring. I’m only asking the Minister if he would consider the approach of starting a program that could look at attracting new businesses to the Northwest Territories and that will bring new people as well.

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Question 30-16(5): Efforts To Attract Business Investment

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

If the Member is wanting to know what we were doing to attract people to move to the Northwest Territories, he should have asked that. The Minister of Finance did announce in the previous budget that we are undertaking a program to attract more people to come and work and live in the Northwest Territories. So we are working and signed an MOU with diamond mines, we have set targets to increase the number of workers that live in the South and getting them to move north.

We have also signed on to immigrant nominee programs so we can get people who are moving to Canada to come and work in the Northwest Territories, recognizing what the Member has said, that for every person that moves to the Northwest Territories, that results in significant increases to our territorial formula financing.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 30-16(5): Efforts To Attract Business Investment

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister straying from the real point of the whole discussion here, which is the fact that we need a program to help attract business to invest in the Northwest Territories. That is where our population is sort of sprung off or where the opportunity lies. Would the Minister consider establishing some sort of task force program that reaches out into industry to bring industry here in the Northwest Territories as I talked about in my Member’s statement?

Whether it’s call centres or attracting new business and whatnot, there are so many opportunities I don’t have the time here today to say them all. It’s about a program that reaches out and attracts business to the Northwest Territories. I think that really needs to be looked at. Would he commit to looking into that process?

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