Debates of Feb. 22nd, 2005

This is page numbers 1433 - 1476 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Update On Oil And Gas Developments In The Nwt

Community Leaders' Conference Report: Preparing For The Pipeline

Social Impacts Of The Mackenzie Gas Project

Preparations For The Mackenzie Gas Project

Motion To Move Ministers' Statements 88-15(3), 89-15(3), 90-15(3) And 91-15(3) Into Committee Of The Whole

Remand Services At The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre

Bathurst Caribou Management Plan

Community Access To Gravel In Nunakput

Improving Education In Small Communities

Independence Of The Audit Function

Benefits Of An All-weather Mackenzie Valley Highway

Funding For Pipeline Preparation

Positive Impact Of The Diamond Industry

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Closure Of South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Social Impacts Of Pipeline Development

Sunchild E-learning Proposal

Independent Audit Bureau

Caribou Management

Federal Municipal Rural Infrastructure Fund

Changing Terminology To "sexually-transmitted Infections"

Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Caribou Management

Unauthorized Land Use

Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Missile Defence Shield

Tabled Document 110-15(3):

Summary Of Members' Absences For The Period December 11, 2003, To March 31, 2004

Tabled Document 108-15(3), "nation Building: Framework For A Northern Strategy" Moved Into Committee Of The Whole

Addressing Housing Needs

Bill 20: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2004-2005

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation To Develop A Reorganization Communications Strategy And Deh Cho Mvpo Position

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Minister's Statement 88-15(3): Update On Oil And Gas Developments In The Nwt

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories is experiencing an unprecedented level of oil and gas exploration and development activity. I am pleased to provide the House with an update from the perspective of the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. Ministers McLeod and Miltenberger will also be providing information on initiatives relating to their portfolios today.

Mr. Speaker, more than 20.4 billion cubic feet of natural gas was produced in the southern NWT during 2004. An average of 20,000 barrels of oil per day was produced from the Sahtu last year. In addition, a number of exploration companies are actively drilling and testing wells for potential reserves in the Beaufort-Delta and Sahtu regions.

But, Mr. Speaker, the biggest project on the horizon is the Mackenzie gas project. The three anchor fields identified in this project have six trillion cubic feet of proven reserves. The National Energy Board estimates that the Beaufort/Mackenzie Delta region contains a further 55 trillion cubic feet of potential reserves.

As the Minister responsible for coordinating the Government of the Northwest Territories' involvement in the Mackenzie gas project, it is my responsibility to bring government departments together to ensure that the sustainable development of our natural resources benefits the residents of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, to assist with this task, the Mackenzie Valley pipeline office was established to coordinate this government's planning and response to the Mackenzie gas project. This office is working with departments to ensure that we optimize the benefits to the NWT, by assisting communities or ensuring we mitigate the social impacts. A key role of the pipeline office is to coordinate communications relating to the Mackenzie gas project. Residents need to know they have one main point of contact related to the development.

Mr. Speaker, over the past several years, Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development has made a number

of significant investments in our communities in preparation for the Mackenzie gas project:

• More than $1 million has been provided to aboriginal groups and communities to build the capacity needed to prepare for the Mackenzie gas project;

• $1.5 million has been committed to the Aboriginal Pipeline Group over a six-year period;

• Since 2001-02, RWED has provided $2.8 million, under Maximizing Northern Employment, to assist aboriginal organizations and northern businesses to develop a workforce that can participate in the Mackenzie gas project and related oil and gas activities;

• Recently the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development partnered with Indian and Northern Affairs Canada and the Mackenzie Valley Producers Group to develop a $4 million fund under the Resource Pre-development Program. This fund provides aboriginal organizations and tax-based communities with funding to negotiate access and benefit and fee-for-service agreements; and, Mr. Speaker,

• The Mackenzie Valley pipeline office also provides contributions for special projects related to the Mackenzie gas project such as the community leaders' workshop hosted by the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs this past December in Inuvik.

Mr. Speaker, on the regulatory front, the Mackenzie Gas Project Producers Group filed their environmental impact statement on the Mackenzie gas project last October. Our government, along with other interveners, has been reviewing the statement and requesting further information on issues contained in the statement. The project is subject to a vigorous assessment and review process undertaken by the National Energy Board and the Joint Review Panel.

The Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development will coordinate our government's intervention in both processes to ensure Northwest Territories' interests are addressed. This involves coordinating the efforts of many departments to assess the impact of the project and to ensure appropriate conditions and mitigations are put in place.

A critical part of our coordination process is the role Members of this Legislative Assembly play through the Joint Pipeline Planning Committee established by the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight and Cabinet. This committee provides direction and leadership on all Government of the Northwest Territories activities related to the Mackenzie gas project.

As chair, I am committed to incorporating committee members' recommendations into the planning and response to the project. Our most recent meeting in Norman Wells provided great insight into the issues communities are dealing with on a daily basis. These meetings can only improve our plans to respond and deal with the opportunities and challenges presented by the Mackenzie gas project. I look forward, Mr. Speaker, to our next meeting planned this April in Fort Simpson.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, these are exciting and challenging times for the Northwest Territories. Our government is committed to ensuring that the interests of our residents are considered and protected with any development, whether it is the Mackenzie gas project or exploration and development throughout the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 88-15(3): Update On Oil And Gas Developments In The Nwt

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 89-15(3): Community Leaders' Conference Report: Preparing For The Pipeline

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to provide my colleagues with an update on recent activities the department has undertaken, in partnership with other stakeholders to assist Northwest Territories communities to prepare for the Mackenzie gas project and to outline our next steps.

Community leaders have raised important questions, issues and concerns about the impact of the Mackenzie gas project on Northwest Territories communities. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is working to assist community government to prepare for and benefit from this large-scale project.

In December 2004, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, together with Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development and the Northwest Territories Association of Communities, hosted a conference of community leaders in Inuvik. I was happy to see several of my colleagues in attendance at the conference; more than one-third of the Members of the Assembly joined us to discuss issues facing communities as they prepare for their regulatory review process.

Two key objectives were set for the conference:

• to provide affected communities with a clear outline of the environmental assessment and regulatory review process; and,

• to identify common issues and concerns and approaches to address them in partnership with industry, other communities, the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Northwest Territories Association of Communities.

The conference report is available on Municipal and Community Affairs' web site, and copies have also been mailed to all conference participants.

The report summarizes information that was provided to and shared by communities as well as issues communities may face during the regulatory review process, strategies to address the issues and next steps for communities and governments.

The recommendation for next steps includes ways communities can prepare for the review process and options to ensure community governments have resources to participate effectively.

Communities are also encouraged to assess what the impacts of the project could be and then negotiate agreements that mitigate the negative impacts that maximize the positive ones.

The GNWT also has steps to take to assist communities to move forward with the conference resolutions and to advance the strategies discussed by community leaders.

In this regard, community leaders recommended the GNWT organize follow-up meetings, including a similar conference to examine potential social impacts.

MACA will prepare tools such as draft bylaws for communities to consider using to regulate industrial activity in their communities and will continue to assist communities with capacity challenges, as and when they are requested.

To date, I have flagged the concerns of public community governments around accessing participant funding with Deputy Prime Minister, the Honourable Anne McLellan, and have communicated the additional pressure that the pipeline places on community infrastructure with the Honourable John Godfrey, the Minister of State for Infrastructure and Communities and the Honourable Stephane Dion, the Minister of the Environment.

I also had the opportunity to meet with my colleagues in Norman Wells in February at a meeting of the Joint Cabinet/AOC Pipeline Planning Committee to discuss our broad plans for moving ahead in partnership with community governments. I look forward to providing my colleagues with additional information on this issue as our work progresses. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 89-15(3): Community Leaders' Conference Report: Preparing For The Pipeline

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 90-15(3): Social Impacts Of The Mackenzie Gas Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased today to speak about what this government is doing to anticipate and prepare for the social impacts the proposed Mackenzie gas project will have for the people of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, as elected officials, we have a responsibility to ensure our citizens derive maximum benefit from the proposed pipeline and to ensure any negative impacts are minimized. This is an important issue that the social programs Ministers, Health and Social Services, Education, Culture and Employment, Justice, the NWT Housing Corporation and Municipal and Community Affairs, are working on.

On December 15, 2004, the social programs departments made a presentation to Members of the Joint

Cabinet/AOC Pipeline Planning Committee on this topic. We know from the lessons learned from other large-scale development projects that the pipeline will have both short-term and longer-term social impacts; most will be positive, but some will be negative.

We know that activity associated with the actual pipeline construction will be intense, occurring over periods of three months to three years and focussed around selected communities. Longer-term impacts will be seen as the pipeline draws more exploration and development activity to the North and these impacts will be felt throughout the Mackenzie Valley and the rest of the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, we anticipate there will be a wide range of positive social impacts at the individual, family and community levels. The positive impacts will include the creation of new training opportunities, new work experiences and skills development, as well as higher levels of employment and more disposable income. Many northerners will gain valuable experience and the northern economy will benefit. Longer-term impacts will include improved quality of life, increased self-esteem, a better standard of living and being able to afford better housing for many people.

Through the Aboriginal Skills and Employment Partnership between the Government of the Northwest Territories, the federal government, aboriginal organizations and industry, a total of $13.3 million is being invested between 2004 and 2008 through the Oil and Gas Strategy, to provide training that will lead to long-term sustainable employment. This partnership will see training provided to over 1,400 northerners. Some training has already commenced through this initiative, including pre-technology and apprenticeship training.

While these impacts are all positive, based on previous NWT experiences and from our research in other jurisdictions, we anticipate that some negative personal and family impacts will result from development. Typically, these negative impacts are reflected in a worsening of pre-existing health and social issues. People have expressed concerns that alcohol and drug abuse will increase, crime rates will go up, family difficulties will intensify and housing adequacy and overcrowding issues will increase.

Mr. Speaker, we are already working hard as a government to prevent the worsening of existing social problems at the individual, family and community levels. Over the past several years, the government has invested $13.9 million in new frontline health and social service workers. This money has helped to fund a total of 108 new positions, including 37 nurses, 19 doctors, 21 social workers, 10 mental health and addiction workers, and 21 homecare workers.

Frontline workers are the critical resource in the government's efforts to address health and social issues and in mitigating potential negative impacts associated with the pipeline. The GNWT has tabled its response to the action plan on family violence and one of the key components of the Protection Against Family Violence Act, which will come into force April 1st of this year. Improvements in housing and community service capacity may also be necessary in mitigating potential negative impacts in communities most directly affected during the construction phase of the pipeline.

Mitigating the impacts of the Mackenzie gas project will require both short and long-term strategies and will require that industry work in partnership with all levels of government including the federal, territorial, aboriginal and community governments. Partnerships with non-government organizations and local housing organizations will also be necessary to alleviate social problems. The proponent has outlined their overall plan for mitigation in volume six of their environmental impact statement, including the need for collaborative efforts with communities and with the GNWT.

The GNWT has asked the proponent to provide additional details about their anticipated social impacts and their proposed mitigation measures. This information is due by March 31, 2005. When the requested additional information becomes available we will be better able to assess the impacts and determine what needs to be done to offset any negative ones. For example, we need more information on industry's northern employment plans in order to be able to determine the number of northerners, and northern families who may be affected.

The GNWT is also in the process of negotiating a socioeconomic agreement with the proponents and it is hoped that this agreement will include specific actions to monitor and mitigate negative social impacts. Specific details will be released after the agreement has been finalized.

Mr. Speaker, we will continue to focus on prevention and promoting programs while supporting communities in shaping social change. Building on the good work undertaken by the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, the social programs Ministers will be developing a consultation plan with affected governments and non-government organizations over the next several months.

The conference sponsored by Municipal and Community Affairs in Inuvik last December provided an excellent opportunity for community governments to look at the infrastructure impacts of the proposed pipeline and similar resource development projects. We want to extend this process to allow communities and NGOs to examine social impacts, including not only the impacts on health and social services, but also on housing, education and training and on the justice system so we can make a plan for what we collectively need to do to minimize the negative and maximize the positive.

Planning is underway to hold workshops on social impacts in those regions most affected by the pipeline early in the new fiscal year.

While the review process for the proposed pipeline is well underway, it will be several years before approvals are granted and any construction begins. We have time to plan collaborative mitigation measures with municipal and aboriginal governments, NGOs and industry, but we have to start now. To be meaningful, these planning meetings need to be focussed on more specific information from the proponents respecting the project, which we look forward to receiving in the months ahead.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, we have much work before us and it is important to recognize that government and industry must collaborate in providing support to NWT residents, so northerners will benefit from the proposed pipeline. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 90-15(3): Social Impacts Of The Mackenzie Gas Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 91-15(3): Preparations For The Mackenzie Gas Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, this afternoon I would like to inform the House of the steps the Department of Transportation has taken to prepare for construction of a pipeline along the Mackenzie Valley and its impacts on the territorial transportation system.

The Department of Transportation will bear a direct and significant burden associated with the proposed Mackenzie gas project. Since its inception, the Mackenzie gas project has assumed it would have access to the territorial public transportation system for its logistical needs. Indeed, a significant volume of equipment, material, personnel and supplies involved in this $7 billion project will move through our airports or over our roads. While the Department of Transportation will do its utmost to accommodate the requirements of the Mackenzie gas project, the department will also ensure that any disruptions to the transportation system are kept to a minimum.

The Department of Transportation and the proponents of the Mackenzie gas project started working closely together on the details of the transportation logistics involved. A joint working group has inspected the transportation system firsthand to identify the potential trouble spots and choke points that could constrain operations. Of particular concern are the sections along the main corridors of highways No. 1, No. 7, No. 8 and the Mackenzie Valley winter road, that will require improvements to carry the anticipated heavy traffic.

There is also concern for intermodal exchange points between rail-barge and road traffic in Hay River, the highway-barge transfer at Fort Simpson and aircraft parking space at the Fort Simpson, Norman Wells and Inuvik airports.

All told, the department has identified a requirement for $104 million in improvements to our airport and highway infrastructure to respond to the impact of the Mackenzie gas project. While the planning and foresight of the department and the timely assistance of contributions from various federal programs and funds including the Canada strategic infrastructure fund, the department has been able to

schedule $76 million in infrastructure improvements over the four fiscal years 2004-05 through 2008-09. This leaves an outstanding shortfall of $28 million that, for the present, remains problematic.

Beyond the short and medium term of the Mackenzie gas project and its relatively brief period of construction, the department is engaged with Transport Canada and the territorial Bureau of Statistics to identify the long-term demands on the transportation system the pipeline is likely to generate. Once a pipeline is in place and capable of delivering oil and gas from the Northwest Territories to market, it will stimulate the development of a permanent oil and gas exploration and production sector similar to those today in Alberta and northern British Columbia.

We need to look ahead at the transportation requirements of a mature and flourishing hydrocarbon energy industry in the Northwest Territories.

With the long term in mind, the Department of Transportation has proposed a number of legacy transportation projects for consideration in the negotiation of a socioeconomic impact benefits agreement.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, the scale of the Mackenzie gas project is huge and, for a short time, it will put an enormous strain on our transportation system. We are doing our best to foresee the difficulties and to prepare for them. We are also pursuing opportunities to improve the transportation system for the benefit of all residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 91-15(3): Preparations For The Mackenzie Gas Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The Chair recognizes the honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Motion To Move Ministers' Statements 88-15(3), 89-15(3), 90-15(3) And 91-15(3) Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this time, I would like to move, seconded by the honourable Member for Nahendeh , that the Ministers' statements 88-15(3), 89-15(3), 90-15(3), and 91-15(3) be moved into Committee of the Whole for consideration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Motion To Move Ministers' Statements 88-15(3), 89-15(3), 90-15(3) And 91-15(3) Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The motion is on the floor. The motion is in order and non-debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Ministers' statements 88-15(3), 89-15(3), 90-15(3), and 91-15(3) are moved into Committee of the Whole.

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Remand Services At The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at the outset of this budget session, we heard from our Finance Minister . We heard about this government's challenge to manage our finances in a prudent and responsible manner. In any given government and in any given year, this seems to require some reduction initiatives and some clear investment opportunities. This requires us, as a government, to consider our priorities. It should also require us to consider the impacts of our decisions in a comprehensive and in-depth way. When these decisions affect the delivery of critical programs and services in our communities and regions, we owe our constituents the benefit of proceeding with caution and care.

Mr. Speaker, I am all for efficiency, effectiveness and fairness. I don't know anyone who could argue with that. To that end, Mr. Speaker, there is a so-called reduction initiative proposed by the Department of Justice which cannot pass the test of bringing greater efficiency, will not make the justice system more effective and certainly is not fair to the people of the South Slave region and the community of Hay River. If that is not enough, Mr. Speaker, I am going to prove that it doesn't save any money. It may even cost this government more money. The service I am speaking of is the provision of remand services at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre in

Hay River. I know the Minister of Justice had reduction targets to meet. Mr. Speaker, I submit to you that the closure of remand cells in Hay River and the transferring of remand inmates to Yellowknife will not save any money.

Through my questions and statements during the remainder of this budget session, it is my intention to prove this. The Department of Justice has calculated the savings of $400,000 by the elimination of 5.5 corrections positions by attrition. They have allowed for $18,000 to transfer inmates to and from remand in Yellowknife for initial incarceration and subsequent court appearances. Mr. Speaker, I will paint a picture of the logistics and articulate the real costs of this so-called expenditure reduction. At the end of the day, I can only hope that good government and common sense will prevail. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Remand Services At The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Bathurst Caribou Management Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to speak today on an item that is very important on so many different levels to the people who live in the Northwest Territories. The issue I am going to raise today is caribou and how this government is handling the management of this great resource. It is clear what caribou provide to us and their importance to us, as they have been ever since man has walked here, to our culture, our way of life, our economy and our identity. The management plan for the Bathurst caribou herd was tabled in this House on February 14th.

I am concerned that the government and the committee are creating some unnecessary concern in many sectors of life here in the Northwest Territories such as outfitting, tourism, and local hunting. I believe that the management plan itself is a fine piece of work and what I have to say should be seen as no disrespect to the committee members and those on the management planning committee.

What I see is this plan trying to manage 186,000 caribou of one herd, the Bathurst herd, when the reality is that the Bathurst herd is smack dab in the middle of four other discernable herds. The obvious question is how can you manage one herd without a plan to manage the others?

On page 6 of the plan, it shows the numbers of Bathurst caribou in 1986 at 470,000 animals. If you look to 2003, the number declines to 186,000. I have several questions about how this decrease causes alarm. Northerners have always thought there were four main herds of caribou occupying the mainland of central Canada in an area that stretches from the Mackenzie River in the west to the coast of Hudson Bay in the east. These herds were called the Bluenose, Bathurst, Beverly and Qamanirjuaq. Today the GNWT and the Government of Nunavut recognize that there are eight herds that occupy the same land area.

These new herds are called the Bluenose East, Dolphin Union Strait, Ahiak and Northeastern Mainland.

How was the data arrived at in 1986 to estimate the Bathurst herd at 470,000 animals? Did it, at the time, include animals from other herds? Does this government understand or know what exactly the number of caribou is in this area regardless of which herd they may belong to? How can you have a management plan for one herd not knowing what this exact number is? Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Bathurst Caribou Management Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You can conclude your statement, Mr. Ramsay .

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Bathurst Caribou Management Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hunters from the Dogrib communities hunting during winter months to the northwest of Gameti are more than likely harvesting caribou from the Bluenose East herd, not the Bathurst, although at times both herds are together.

Hunters going north from Yellowknife on the winter road will likely be harvesting Bluenose East, Bathurst or Ahiak caribou. If you were to shoot more than one animal, you probably will be shooting one from each herd standing side by side on the same lake. It could even be a Dauphin or a Beverly caribou. Hunters from Lutselk'e are likely to harvest from Bathurst, Beverly, Ahiak and sometimes the Qamanirjuaq caribou herds. There are only caribou management boards for the Bathurst, Beverly and Qamanirjuaq herds. The question is who manages the other herds? At the appropriate time, I will have questions for the Minister of RWED . Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Community Access To Gravel In Nunakput

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My Member's statement today will be about municipal services. Many of the Nunakput communities are in need of gravel for maintenance of roads, driveways and new pads for further development. Mr. Speaker, gravel sources are only accessible during the winter months mainly because of the distance and the sensitivity of our terrain. Mr. Speaker, during the Minister's visit last summer and a recent meeting I had with the Tuktoyaktuk Community Planning Committee, it was made quite clear that the communities in Nunakput require gravel for future development.

Mr. Speaker, the Cabinet and the deputy minister should consider the needs of communities outside of the urban centres. The need for gravel for roads, water and sewer infrastructures and landfills is vital for the communities. This government should work with the Inuvialuit Land Administration, ILA, to identify gravel sources in close proximity to the communities of Sachs Harbour, Paulatuk, Holman and Tuktoyaktuk. This government should immediately commence dialogue with ILA before the proposed construction of the Mackenzie Valley gas pipeline.

Mr. Speaker, if this government does not address this problem immediately, access to close gravel sources will be identified by the industry for their infrastructure needs, and the communities will lose out. Mr. Speaker, therefore, I urge this government to immediately allocate funds for the hamlets of Sachs Harbour, Paulatuk, Holman and

Tuktoyaktuk for access to gravel sources so they can plan for today and future developments in their respective communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Improving Education In Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I think that small communities are great and those that live in them can enjoy a good lifestyle. However, small communities also have a lot of socioeconomic problems. Their school can offer very little variety of programs or even special education assistance for those with learning difficulties. Levels of education are improving in general. However, for the 54 percent of our population that live outside of Yellowknife, our education levels and our graduation rates are still well below the territorial average. In Fort Liard, only about 30 percent of students have graduated from high school since 1989, compared to the territorial national average of just below 70 percent.

Mr. Speaker, the population of a small community tends to be younger, has fewer job opportunities compared to Yellowknife, and most of the people living in these communities are aboriginal and have lived there since birth. This is why I'm out looking for ways to improve the quality of education, especially in Fort Liard. This is also why I am excited about the Sunchild e-training learning proposal. As I have said before, this program is working on small reserves and small communities and getting great results. They have graduation rates of over 80 percent, Mr. Speaker.

The Sunchild E-learning Community was designed to augment and support the conventional school programs. It was established to deliver quality education to high school students within the Sunchild First Nations school program using computers and Internet technology. Students become comfortable using technology and, as a result, become computer literate and competent. In turn, their achievements boost confidence and satisfaction, and encourage interest for higher education.

Mr. Speaker, I think that kids growing up in smaller communities should have an equal chance at getting a good education, getting a good job, and having a prosperous and opportunity-rich life. I want to see this government doing everything in its power to make this happen; including providing a good start with a good education. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Independence Of The Audit Function

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise again today to continue the topic of accountable and responsive government. Mr. Speaker, the other day, I talked about the vacancies in the Audit Bureau and their struggle to do their jobs and provide the resources of a fully-staffed bureau.

Mr. Speaker, I can't understand why it's so difficult to retain staff in an area such as the Audit Bureau but, you know, I've gotten much feedback from professionals. Mr. Speaker, independence seems to be the key to them being truly effective. They need to have an unfettered hand to do their jobs; unfettered by the government.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday, the Minister read into the record about true reporting mechanisms. The Audit Bureau reports deep down into the bowels of government and it is embedded there. So everything they deal and talk with happens deep down in the FMBS side of government.

Mr. Speaker, we need the Audit Bureau to be independent so they can be productive. Mr. Speaker, the calls from the professionals out there in this field said that this

section needs the unfettered opportunity to do what it needs to do. We are chronically short-staffed, Mr. Speaker, and this may be the solution to that problem. An independent Audit Bureau could be an early-warning system to the government so we could avoid boondoggles like other places have experienced in the South.

Mr. Speaker, it's not just about money lost; it's about money that we'd spend to investigate this problem. It's about money that we'd then spend to try to fix the problem, Mr. Speaker. Other provinces in Canada, Mr. Speaker, have audit bureaus that report directly to their Legislative Assembly, such as British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan. Their direct reports go to the assemblies then get forwarded on to the responsible standing committees. I think that needs to be seriously considered.

Mr. Speaker, I, on this side of the House, can defend a Minister and support a Minister who has a problem that's being recognized and addressed. But, Mr. Speaker, I have to work in the other direction when they try to hide or ignore the problem or blemish. Mr. Speaker, we need support from that side of the House to say wait a minute, we're going to address this problem, we're going to give independence to this area, and we're going to fix it. So, Mr. Speaker, later today, I will have questions for the appropriate Minister. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Benefits Of An All-weather Mackenzie Valley Highway

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Page 1438

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week, my colleague, Mr. Pokiak , spoke about an Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk highway. This is an excellent idea that has been around for a long time and should have become a reality years ago. I would like, Mr. Speaker, to expand on that idea. In fact, I'd like to expand on it all the way down the Mackenzie Valley. With all the development that is taking place, especially with the Mackenzie gas pipeline project, now is the opportune time to look at a road that would connect us. This, of course, would directly benefit Tuktoyaktuk and the Sahtu, but other NWT communities will also profit from the highway.

Tourism, Mr. Speaker. There are many tourists who take the drive up the Dempster Highway to Inuvik and have no

choice but to turn around and go back the same way they came. I have spoken to many of these people and they have told me that they would love to have the chance to make a northern loop and drive back down the Mackenzie Valley instead. The route would take them right through Wrigley and Fort Simpson, with short detours to Fort Providence and Hay River, and access the Liard Highway, Fort Smith, Rae Edzo and Yellowknife. All these communities would benefit from the increased traffic.

Mr. Speaker, many people from the Beaufort-Delta travel to Whitehorse to shop big-ticket items like furniture, electronics and pick-up trucks. That's already a lot of money leaving our territory. With the population increase we're going to see in the regions with all the oil and gas development, there will be even more to lose. With a highway down the Mackenzie Valley, I am sure more people would order supplies or come to Yellowknife and Hay River for their shopping.

Mr. Speaker, this is a great opportunity we have here for the long-term benefits of almost every community in the territory. We shouldn't be scared to think big. Resource developers sure aren't or they wouldn't be planning the massive pipeline project and diamond mines. It's time for this government to adopt some of that mentality and see the potential out there and build a legacy project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Funding For Pipeline Preparation

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Ministers opened the afternoon up with a number of discussions about the coming major developments and how we're going about getting ready for that. I wanted to applaud especially, Mr. Speaker, the comments -- I believe they were from Mr. Miltenberger -- regarding the social programs and Ministers developing a consultation plan with effective governments and NGOs over the next several months. This is excellent, to build on the example of what MACA did with communities in Inuvik late last year. That planning is underway to hold workshops on social impacts in those regions most affected by the pipeline early in the new fiscal year.

But I'm wondering, Mr. Speaker, while we're laying out all these ideas about consultation and working together in collaboration, are we really resourcing the communities, the NGOs and the other organizations adequately to really be a part of this process. Early indications are that, at least from the regulatory process itself, the work of the National Energy Board Joint Review Panel, this is not the case. The Status of Women, Mr. Speaker, estimated that it would need $105,000 to complete its work on behalf of women in the NWT; it got $12,500. CARC, the Sierra Foundation, the World Wildlife Federation asked for $70,000; they got $15,000.

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Funding For Pipeline Preparation

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Shame, shame.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, for the millions that are being invested in looking at this project from the point of view of industry, $1.5 million has been made available through that process to look at it from the point of view of people in the communities. It is shameful; absolutely inadequate.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Shame.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Where the Minister says, in closing here, that we have much work before us and it is important to recognize that government and industry must collaborate, I suggest that our government has a lot of room to pick up and put some resources in the hands of the communities and the NGOs so that they too can collaborate in providing support that will benefit all of us with regard to this proposed pipeline. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Positive Impact Of The Diamond Industry

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to speak today in support of our precious diamond industry in the North. Mr. Speaker, in the past, I've been on record many times expressing my appreciation for the positive benefits the entire diamond industry, engineered by the cooperative leadership between the diamond producers and all levels of government, has brought to not only the city of Yellowknife, but the entire territory in terms of the money we get into our coffers, not to mention my riding of Range Lake.

Mr. Speaker, six years ago, in 1999 when I was campaigning in Range Lake riding, there were dozens of lots for sale. It's hard to believe now, but I believe it's safe to say, and I've said this before, that it's the diamond industry that has literally saved our bacon.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize the support the GNWT has shown in supporting the secondary diamond industry. It's had a very fragile beginning, but aggressive investments by the government with the cooperation of the diamond producers has made it possible for us to have a street called Diamond Row at the airport; this did not exist before and is an entirely new industry that is, I believe, maturing ever so slowly and with some difficult times. It is really important, Mr. Speaker, to state that a bankruptcy of one diamond cutting and polishing plant does not make a failure of the entire industry.

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Neither does a big international player, like Leviev need handholding or lobbying by this government to find a foothold in the NWT. Mr. Speaker, in the Canadian diamond industry, all of these players are big players in the international scene and I believe they have the power and wherewithal to do their own fighting.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that the diamond producers who have made billions of dollars in investments in the northern economy have earned the right to say who they are prepared to do business with and I believe, for reasons other than just the supply of rough diamonds, the northern producers have concluded that they don't want to enter into a commercial relationship with the Leviev Group. In this free-market country, I believe they have the

right to make such a business decision and there's really no place for government to do that.

Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to finish my statement?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. I just wanted to conclude, Mr. Speaker, that I believe, based on the experiences that we have been having with the guarantees and such for this industry, that there is one important lesson the government needs to learn from this: They have to treat the northern producers with respect and consult with them in finding the next buyers. They don't need to give veto power to the producers, but an understanding that we are all in this together and we have to work out a deal that works for all of us.

I believe a veiled threat of a mineral tax, as suggested by the Minister of Finance , or a call for an inquiry suggesting that there was some improper conduct on the part of producers, does not help us to protect the interests of the industry or of the public that we serve. So, Mr. Speaker, I would just like to state that I stand by this industry and I ask for some reason and cooler heads to prevail as we go forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

I'd like, at this time, to again recognize my good friends from Scotland over here visiting us, Gordon Walker and Lynda Brise. They will be leaving us today to visit other parts of Canada and then back home to Scotland, so I want to wish them safe journeys on their travels and enjoy the rest of your trip.

---Applause

Welcome to other visitors in the gallery. Welcome to the proceedings today.

---Applause

Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 446-15(3): Closure Of South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1440

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement today, I talked about the reduction initiative of the Department of Justice to close down the remand facility at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre in Hay River. Mr. Speaker, there are so many things that could be said about this, but let me start off with the assertion that the elimination of 5.5 positions by attrition, for a savings of $418,000, taking away $18,000 for transportation costs...Let's talk about the projected savings of $400,000.

I'd like to ask the Minister if that number takes into account what it's going to cost to take care of those same remand inmates in another location, like here in Yellowknife. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The cost of housing the inmates will not increase in Yellowknife. The facility still needs to be operated, so the only increase in cost would be a slight one for the cost of food, which would be minimal given the food preparation facilities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 446-15(3): Closure Of South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister indicated $18,000 has been taken into consideration for the transportation of inmates. I want to ask the Minister if that takes into account not only their initial trip from the court service in Hay River to Yellowknife, but subsequent return trips for court appearances. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There have been, on average over the past little while, only 1.5 people from Hay River put into remand per month. That 1.5 per month has been the average over the past while. So the answer to the question is, yes, there is enough money in there to cover the cost of transportation for a number of trips. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't know where the Minister is getting his number of 1.5 people in remand from Hay River. Per day? Per week? What about the South Slave region? SMCC remand not only accommodates Hay River, it also accommodates inmates from the South Slave. How about providing those numbers? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From December 2003 to November 2004, there were 34 people remanded in custody to the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre. Mr. Speaker, I chose to talk about the number

from Hay River because the inmates who were remanded or the accused who were remanded from other communities like Fort Smith would still have to be transported to Hay River. In any case, we're still going to have to pay for the transportation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1441

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the Minister's calculations then, of the $400,000 savings, does that number take into account the money that is required to pay RCMP officers to escort these inmates back and forth from the South Slave region to Yellowknife? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I believe that the numbers that we are giving are the net savings that will be realized. That's what the department will be given and they will have to live within the budget that is approved. So yes, we are confident that the savings will be realized. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Question 447-15(3): Social Impacts Of Pipeline Development

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1441

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this afternoon are for the Minister of Health and Social Services and follow through on the very welcome statement that he made about preparing for the impacts of major development. The Minister referenced workshops and upcoming events with communities and NGOs and I wanted to ask the Minister if he has budgeted funding for participants or interveners to assist these organizations in participating in this event. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The Member is asking questions on a Minister's statement that has been referred to Committee of the Whole. I will allow this question to go on, but I will caution the Member to watch questioning on a Minister's statement that is already before Committee of the Whole.

---Applause

The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of funding for intervener status is an issue that's being dealt with by Mr. Bell and he is, in the broader sense, the lead Minister. It's an issue that we're working with the federal government on. What we're doing is trying to, as social programs Ministers, come up with a plan that we can take to Cabinet that makes some sense, that uses the limited resources that we have to try to address the issue of social impacts, to work with the communities through the proposed workshops, but also to come up with a way to assist them to sort through the many reams of paper and binders they're going to get on technical issues. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The role that volunteer organizations and NGOs play in many parts of our society, I think, is undervalued and I would like to ask the Minister if there is any consideration of ongoing support for these organizations to be able to maintain their value and their impact and their relevance to government-wide initiatives and, indeed, those of industry. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we fund many NGOs as a matter of course through our day-to-day business and we will continue to do that. We will also be lobbying the federal government to look at better assisting those requiring intervener status. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

To that response, that we would like to urge the federal government to get behind this, could the Minister elaborate just what steps have been taken to prompt better support for the NGOs in the regulatory process? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Ministers more involved in this file on a daily basis are Minister Bell , the Finance Minister and the Premier himself. They work much more closely with their federal counterparts on this issue, but there are steps being taken to lobby the government. We're looking at the resources we have so that things don't stop and so we can keep moving with the resources that we have on the ground already.

We're going to come back, as social programs Ministers, with a proposal to Cabinet that will lay out in more detail the proposed workshops, as well as how we can better support, along with, hopefully, the Association of Communities, the work of communities. To assist them to interpret and deal with the flood of information that they're going to get; that's often very technical and hard to decipher. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In terms of the pipeline readiness office that our government is about to open in the new fiscal year, will there be a place in this organization or infrastructure for the input and participation of NGOs and community service organizations? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, very clearly, we want to set up a process and mechanisms where there is a main contact point, a one-window point of entry, which is anticipated to be set up through the pipeline readiness office. I will be working, for example, as chair of the social programs committee of Ministers, with Mr. Bell as the lead Minister for this file, along with reporting back on a regular basis to Cabinet. We've also briefed, as I've indicated, the joint committee of AOC and Cabinet. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 448-15(3): Sunchild E-learning Proposal

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1442

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment with regard to the Sunchild e-learning proposal that I submitted to his office about a month ago. Mr. Speaker, at the heart of this proposal was Sunchild's experience of their success and its can-do attitude, its understanding and linkages to aboriginal communities. Its strong community leadership has tracked and measured results. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister offer any examples of this kind of education being offered in Fort Liard or, indeed, our Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not sure whether there might be other divisional education councils or DEAs that have found a way to offer the same sort of programming. I am hoping to be able to respond to the Member's letter to me within the next week. At that time, we will maybe have something further to discuss. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, the Sunchild proposal is an effective tool for learners who prefer the self-paced individual approach. My proposal has been with the department. I'm sure they had some comments on it and it's really about exploring alternatives and providing alternatives to our smaller communities, Mr. Speaker. Are there any opportunities under our current education system for this kind of self-paced individual approach, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, for a number of years now, the department has supported distance learning as a method of allowing students to participate at their own speed. This, unfortunately, has not had a great amount of success in the Northwest Territories, even though we have put considerable investment into training facilitators and making sure there was somebody in every school who is trained to facilitate students using distance learning and Internet learning. But we are still continuing to advance the system as one potential way for making sure that, in smaller communities, access to varied programming is more available.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier, I asked what would be the department's comment with respect to this proposal, Mr. Speaker, but actually I think the question is, will the Minister listen to our communities and allow us to examine further this proposal by bringing them up and listening to what type of proposal they can offer to our smaller communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said, the Member has sent me a letter and we're in a position, or I'm hoping to be in a position within the next week, to respond to the Member's letter. But what I would hope that we would be able to do is find a way to work with the divisional education council and assess their interest in this proposal as well. So I will take a look at the Member's request and hopefully respond within the week. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I don't think the intent here was to change our whole education program at all. I just have a program that works

down south in the small reserves, the small communities. Let's bring them up, let's have a look at this proposal. We'll bring in some educators from Fort Liard and members of their education council and myself, maybe some departmental officials. That's all the proposal entails, to get them here, and I would like the Minister just to say yes, let's have a look at it and if we want to go further, we'll do it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to say that we're going to have to work with the DEC, because the DEC is ultimately responsible for the delivery of education in the region. It's not something where the department deals directly with the community body because we don't fund the community bodies directly. So we're going to have to look at a way to move this forward and I'm prepared to work with the Member and see if we can't work with the DEC to follow through on the community's interest. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Auditor General of Canada performs audits for the Northwest Territories to give a general snapshot of our business affairs through government. Mr. Speaker, our Audit Bureau also provides audits of our government to make sure the checks and balances are there. Mr. Speaker, the independence question needs to be answered. Would the Minister consider making any recommendations to his colleagues to take the Audit Bureau out of the FMBS and revitalize this as an independent, arm's-length body of government to give independent advice to the Legislative Assembly? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board Secretariat, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member, in his Member's statement, referred to vacancies we've had in the Audit Bureau, as well as in the government Just for the record, we overspend, on an annual basis, all of our salary dollars; just for the record for the Member.

Mr. Speaker, on the Audit Bureau situation, we find that with the system that we have operating the external audit of the Auditor General of Canada on the Government of the Northwest Territories is just that, external reports to the Assembly. We deal with that process and then we have our internal audit process within FMBS that we do, whether asked by departments or if we see something not right we step in and do our own audit process. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, regarding the internal audit process, would he be willing to make recommendations that the internal audit process goes forward to the Legislative Assembly and then is further readdressed to the appropriate standing committee? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

No.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A man of so many words. Mr. Speaker, all I can say is public transparency is paramount and I think that we all run on that argument and we want to ensure that our public service, our government service, all our functions have checks and balances that are appropriate, Mr. Speaker. So what is the level of detail that this internal audit system does and why are we not willing to demonstrate our public transparency by bringing it forward to the Assembly and forwarding it to the appropriate committee? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Two questions there. I'll allow the Minister to answer one or both of them. Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, without internal audit process, when we're called in to review a situation it can be right down to the detail of an employee not exercising their authority in the correct way or not accounting for specific dollars. That is a process where we get right down to the minute detail and if the Member is asking could we do that in this forum, I think we could be tied down in a very lengthy and protracted process.

What we do from an internal point of view is to make sure that the rules are followed for the expenditure of dollars through this government and if we find something that's not appropriate, we would make a recommendation to the appropriate Minister. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister is right when we talk about the internal audit system, it would go through down to every detail, but, Mr. Speaker, I'm not talking about bringing every line item to the floor of the Assembly. I'm talking about bringing it to the Assembly and sending it to the appropriate committee, Mr. Speaker.

Procedures are very critical to ensure our government is working effectively at this side of the House to ensure that that side of the government is listening to these recommendations from the audit committee. So we need that effectiveness. Why does this Minister not agree and stand up and demonstrate transparency on these issues and say he will look into this and address this issue, because I think it's critical? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is entitled to his opinion and if he can find something wrong with the existing process, that we've failed, I'd gladly look at that. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell . In regard to my statement that I made earlier in terms of management of caribou in the Northwest Territories, perhaps the first question I'd have for the Minister is what are the plans going forward with management of caribou in our territory and coupled with that, how could we put a plan in place for one herd, the Bathurst herd, without plans for the other herds? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We've had some discussion and there was some discussion last week about the Bathurst caribou management plan. So I think Members are all very well aware of the status of that management plan. There's also a Beverly and Qamanirjuaq Caribou management plan prepared by those respective caribou management boards.

Mr. Speaker, in addition, there is the management plan for Cape Bathurst, Bluenose West and Bluenose East that was prepared, I understand, in 1998 and was accepted as general direction by the Wildlife Management Advisory Committee, also by Gwich'in Renewable Resource Board, Sahtu Renewable Resource Board and the Nunavut Wildlife Management Board. I understand there are also plans underway to determine the current status of these herds in summer 2005 and after that work is done those plans will be further updated. Those are the management plans for the various herds that I'm aware of to date in addition to the Bathurst plan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the numbers that I draw attention to is the fact that through the management plan in 1986 there were 470,000 identified Bathurst caribou in the herd, and in 2003 there were 186,000. If you just look at it for the layperson, I'm not a biologist, but it looks like the bottom fell out of this herd when in fact if you add up all the numbers of the caribou on the mainland from the east coast of Hudson Bay to the Mackenzie River, there are over 600,000 animals there. So when are we going to start counting the entire caribou population and why is there this push to have individual management boards for each herd? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Two questions, Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it's important that we understand each of the individual herds and seek to manage these herds recognizing that in the overall context we're seeking to effectively manage caribou in general in the Northwest Territories. We believe, and I'm not a wildlife biologist, but we believe that we're able to track the caribou to their calving grounds. That allows us to make the distinction between the various herds. I believe the Bathurst herd is currently calving west of Bathurst Inlet, but I stand to be corrected on that.

I think as we work to better develop our methodology and we invest more money in research in understanding these herds, it's important that we apply what we're learning to the effective management of the herds. To suggest that it's just too much work to do or it's much too difficult to make a distinction between the various herds I think is not effective management and not appropriate. We have to recognize the challenges before us, but I don't think we can advocate our responsibility to effectively manage the herds. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Going forward, how might we manage these herds? If you are out on a lake north of Yellowknife you could in fact be shooting a Bathurst caribou or another caribou and unless you are doing DNA sampling, how are you going to know which animals you are harvesting? Is the Minister saying that hunters and harvesters are going to have to take DNA samples from caribou in the future? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess the first step is to understand the range of the herd and understand herd dynamics. We're measuring a number of things to achieve this, but I guess the first step is to decide whether in fact a herd is being threatened, if the population is in decline, if it is in fact low and in specific reference to the Bathurst management plan, the plan proposes a number of potential steps should the herd be in decline or in fact low. We would work with the groups that have responsibility for managing the herds,

those very same groups that were on the committee, but we would also go out and make sure we work with all of the individual stakeholders and those who use the resource to understand their needs and propose a number of things that we might do to manage the herd. This is only after we have determined what steps were necessary. So difficulties like the one the Member has proposed would arise, I suspect. I'm sure the outfitters would make that point very clear to us that this would present a difficulty and we would have to deal with it at that point. But again, Mr.

Speaker, there's been nothing proposed to date and I'm sure the Member is being facetious when he suggests DNA sampling, but I think we would work with outfitters to come up with a plan that makes sense and isn't ridiculous. I think it's very important that we seek to effectively manage these animals. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of MACA , the Honourable Michael McLeod . In my Member's statement on Tuesday, February 15, 2005, I spoke of the new federal territorial funding announced by the federal territorial Ministers. This announcement would make funds available for municipal rural infrastructure in the NWT Corridors for Canada. My understanding in the announcement, Mr. Speaker, is that a joint federal/territorial committee will be formed. My question to the Minister, Mr. Speaker, is when will this committee be formed? When will the communities be able to access or apply for this funding to gain access for infrastructure funding? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Two questions. The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, we've already had initial contact and discussion with the NWT Association of Communities and we've had some discussion about the allocation of the MRIF and we've also had some early discussion on the gas tax. We're expecting to have our committee formed with our partners on this initiative with the federal government very shortly. I don't have exact dates, but I'm anticipating that will be within the next couple weeks. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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