Debates of Jan. 29th, 1998

This is page numbers 403 - 439 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Safety Around Municipal Service Vehicles

Mine Trades Access Program

Northerner Attends Olympic Youth Camp - Nagano, Japan

Progress Needed On Addressing Fas/fae

Health Board Difficulties

Staff Housing Shortage

Manitoba Trade Mission

The Need To Reflect On Health And Social Service Program Reductions

Early Childhood Intervention

International Year Of Older Persons

Diamond Value-added Industries

Canadian Gold Reserves

Renewable Resource Officer Training Programs

Return To Oral Question 118-13(5): Opinion On Conflict Of Interest

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Health Board Support Systems

Rabies Outbreak In Gjoa Haven

Additional Taxes On The Mining Industry

Fas/fae Strategy

Healthy Children Initiative

Health And Social Services Action Plan

University And College Entrance Program

Report On Keewatin Dental Services

Training Provided To Health Boards

Health Boards Without Ceos

Cost Of Baffin Health Services

Expanded Downpayment Assistance Program

Lahm Ridge Tower Lease Agreement

Mine Trades Access Program Enrolment

Employment Generated Through Aurora Fund

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Tabled Document 24-13(5): Government Of The Northwest Territories Public Accounts, 1996-97

Tabled Document 25-13(5): Standard GNWT Lease Form

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Tabled Document 26-13(5): Memo From Nwtta President To Decs, Deas And Directors Re: Housing

Tabled Document 27-13(5): Letter From Baffin Divisional Education Council Re: Housing Issues

Tabled Document 28-13(5): Internet Message From Mary West: Baffin Fetal Alcohol Network

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 30-13(5): Safety Around Municipal Service Vehicles

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce the release of the Play Safe - Play Smart Children's Colouring Book, designed to encourage children in our northern communities to play safely around municipal service vehicles or equipment.

This colouring book is a powerful tool to raise awareness among young children about the dangers of playing on or near community vehicles and equipment. It will also encourage parents to participate and work with their children to reinforce the important safety messages contained in the colouring book.

Mr. Speaker, the main character of the Play Safe - Play Smart Colouring Book is Granny Safety, who delivers many safety messages to young readers. The character of a wise, older woman and mother was used to promote to children the importance of respecting their elders and listening to their words of wisdom.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to express my heartfelt appreciation to the Johnny Oyakyoak family in Cambridge Bay, who lost their precious son last year in an unfortunate accident involving a water truck. The Oyakyoak family agreed to dedicate the Play Safe - Play Smart Colouring Book to the memory of their son, Jacob, who is featured on the back cover, in the hopes that his spirit will live on and prevent other children in the north from suffering similar tragedies.

Mr. Speaker, I am proud of this resource and will be providing copies to each of my colleagues later today. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs will be working with the NWT Association of Municipalities to distribute the colouring books to community councils and schools for distribution locally. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 30-13(5): Safety Around Municipal Service Vehicles

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 31-13(5): Mine Trades Access Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, despite recent downturns, the mining industry holds a good deal of potential for training and employing northerners. To help identify training opportunities for northerners, I established the Mine Training Committee late last year. The committee, a consortium of aboriginal leaders and industry representatives, has launched the first of a series of training initiatives.

Forty northerners are currently enrolled in the Mine Trades Access Program. The program includes a mixed curriculum of academic upgrading, personal life skills management and trades-related training that will prepare students for apprenticeships in a mining trade.

The training program began last October at the Aurora College campuses in Inuvik, Yellowknife and Fort Smith. Students have been selected from Inuvik, Rae, Wha Ti, Yellowknife, Detah, Ndilo, Hay River, Fort Smith and Lutselk'e.

This project is a collaborative effort between Aurora College and the mine training committee. It clearly demonstrates that industry and aboriginal leaders are taking a lead role in training northerners for careers in mining. I congratulate all partners on their work to make this initiative a success. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 31-13(5): Mine Trades Access Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 32-13(5): Northerner Attends Olympic Youth Camp - Nagano, Japan

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At each Summer and Winter Olympics the International Olympic Committee sponsors a youth camp for people between 15 and 20 years of age.

Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to inform the Members that Ms. Shannon Swartzentruber from Fort Simpson has been selected by the Canadian Olympic Association to be one of seven representatives from Canada to attend the youth camp.

Shannon was chosen from 162 applicants from across Canada, including eight who applied from the Northwest Territories.

This is a prestigious honour for this young woman who demonstrates so well the balance of education, athletic ability, volunteer experience and cross cultural sensitivity, which are the requirements for this program.

While at the camp, Shannon will participate in a variety of activities including;

- the opening ceremonies for the 1998 Winter Olympics,

- a tour of the Canadian Olympic village,

- a two day home stay program with a family from Nagano, and

- a cultural exchange program with participants representing other Olympic Nations.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Members to join me in congratulating Shannon Swartzentruber. She is a very special young woman and we wish her well as she represents our nation and the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 32-13(5): Northerner Attends Olympic Youth Camp - Nagano, Japan

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 114-13(5): Progress Needed On Addressing Fas/fae

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, many times in this House grand pronouncements are made and symbolic statements are issued, and then forgotten.

For example, Mr. Speaker, certain days or weeks during a sitting, Members will wear ribbons for AIDS awareness, poppies for Remembrance Day, and most recently lapel pins for FAS/FAE awareness. Usually Members will do a statement or questions during this time, but nothing seems to happen.

During FAS/FAE week most Members did ask questions and statements were made, and it would seem all was forgotten. Mr. Speaker, the Baffin fetal alcohol network is a non-profit volunteer organization working to promote greater awareness and understanding of the issue.

Currently they need money to create a series of public service announcements aimed at educating the public. Pauktuutit the Inuit women's organization has had some publications and translations done but more is needed. The Baffin FAS group thinks that approximately $5,000 is needed for that work.

What is the point of identifying the problem if we do not have the professionals, the specialists, in place to do the work. Does the department have a strategy or plan to address these issues or again it is up to the health boards with their shrinking budgets again to identify the issue and prioritize it?

We all know groups and boards have to do more with less, but when you do more with less you get less done. Later today, Mr. Speaker, I will be addressing these concerns to the appropriate Minister. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 114-13(5): Progress Needed On Addressing Fas/fae

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 115-13(5): Health Board Difficulties

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Of late as I mentioned yesterday in a question to the Minister of Health and Social Services , the Department of Health and Social Services and the health boards have been in the news. Unfortunately for a lot of the wrong reasons and because of that there is a certain amount of concern about the state of affairs, have we made the right decisions and are we going the right way. Mr.

Speaker, to me clearly we have made a significant investment in the direction that we have chosen to take in empowering the communities in giving control of programs and services and decision making to the community and regional level. Since I first became able to work and started working for the government back in the early 70s, I clearly remember the constant pull from the communities and regions for more authority and more decision making autonomy. I can well remember the days still of the Commissioner being a lord of all he surveyed and the regional directors being his trusty henchman in the regions.

Now that we have made a transition to giving the decision making to the communities and to the people we cannot falter even though there may be bumps in the road. We cannot necessarily blame just the health boards if there are bumps in the roads. We have to recognize that there is a working relationship between the Department of Health and Social Services and the health boards. If one partner falters, the whole system suffers. If one partner falters it means they have done so because there may be problems on the other side.

So when I see problems with health boards, we have to look at what kind of support is the Department of Health and Social Services providing. Are there adequate monitoring systems? Are there adequate evaluation systems? Is there board training so that board members know exactly what their mandate is? Is the department providing adequate coordination among health boards to deal with issues that cut across all boards, like specialist services like my colleague from Iqaluit mentioned? So Mr. Speaker, we are in this together, the department, as the Minister has indicated, has recognized the need to put

systems in place. I think the health boards are more than willing to make a better go of this as long as we do this together. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 115-13(5): Health Board Difficulties

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 116-13(5): Staff Housing Shortage

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to say hello to my wife and my children at this time. My youngest child is five years old today. It is his birthday.

Mr. Speaker, last week or this week, I have heard questions being raised in this House and I am very sensitive to the questions that have been raised in this House, questions about the lack of housing in the communities especially for government employees. I have talked with the mayors in the Baffin region communities and they have expressed to me that there is lack of housing for staff, especially relayed to me by the divisional board of education in the Baffin region.

I have heard the same employees talk about it too as well from the Department of Health or the regional health boards, lack of housing. The divisional boards of education from the regions have been requesting to meet with us as a caucus especially to deal with the inadequate housing for their staff.

I have a feeling that the government does not really recognize the lack of housing that is being faced by those boards. They have heard from the Baffin region side, but I think this problem exists throughout the territories.

Yesterday I heard through the radio as well about this issue, about the Kitikmeot region having problems. Mr. Speaker, will we be able to hear from the health boards and the education boards and when we meet with the NWTTA we will probably hear from them again saying that they have inadequate housing for their staff. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 116-13(5): Staff Housing Shortage

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 117-13(5): Manitoba Trade Mission

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on January 6th and 7th of this year, I had the pleasure of meeting in Winnipeg with the Deputy Premier of Manitoba, the Honourable James Downey, who is also the Minister of Trade. Also present at this meeting was the Honourable Len Derkach, the Minister of Rural Development and a number of deputy ministers. Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this meeting was to discuss and promote increased trade between Manitoba, my constituency and the region in general. Also discussed was a possibility of a winter road between Arviat and Churchill and possible power grid options.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce that the Manitoba trade delegation will be travelling to Arviat and Baker Lake on the 16th and 17th of February to discuss and promote business between the two regions. Mr. Speaker, a delegation of approximately 35 people, or guests rather, are expected to include the Premier , Honourable Gary Filmon; the Deputy Premier, Len Derkach, the Honourable Darren Praznik, Minister of Health , the Honourable Glen Findlay, Minister of Highways and Transportation and the Honourable David Newman, Minister of Northern Affairs and Energy.

Mr. Speaker, we welcome this delegation and see this as a first step in better relations between the two regions. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien , Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 118-13(3): The Need To Reflect On Health And Social Service Program Reductions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, my comment today is in regard to the whole problem in the area of health and social services in the Northwest Territories and the effects that it has on everybody as a whole, not one particular region, one particular riding, but everyone is affected by the decisions we make in this House and the decisions we make to change things. In regard to the whole health and social area we have made some drastic changes to the way things were done in the past. Yes, changes are good, but changes come with a price.

I think sometimes it is hard to admit you are wrong. I think we have to realize with change, also we have to have the ability to step back, take a look and see how we can better the system in regard to the concerns that we have from the people we represent. Mr. Speaker, I am speaking about a statement made in this House yesterday by the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng , regarding an action plan for the Keewatin region. I think the Minister cannot look at health as strictly a regional issue. It affects everyone. It does not matter which riding you come from, the east, the west, from the small centres to the large centres.

I think the Minister has to take a good look at the whole health and social services envelope which he is responsible for and not piece meal it back together by dealing with it on a regional basis. There have been several questions raised in this House from myself and other colleagues in this area. It seems like it is always our word against his or our word against regional boards. I think it is time, Mr.

Speaker, that we seriously take a look at the whole health and social problems that we have in this area and stand up and say, maybe we made a mistake in regard to the whole decision of down sizing, amalgamating and also saving monies for the sake of cutting the deficit. Now we have a surplus, maybe we should seriously listen to the people it affects in regard to the people that we say we serve and the needs of the people of the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 118-13(3): The Need To Reflect On Health And Social Service Program Reductions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 119-13(5): Early Childhood Intervention

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my Member's statement will be on the issue of families. I would like to send greetings back to mine in Inuvik. Mr. Speaker, before I returned to Yellowknife, I had the opportunity to speak to a class at the Aurora Campus in Inuvik. Mr. Speaker, this class was taking

part in the Social Diploma Program. I had an opportunity to address some of their questions and listen to their concerns.

One of the concerns that was raised was to do with the early childhood intervention. It is a good move and I believe a lot of people believe it is the right area to be moving into, trying to deal with situations before they become problems. Unfortunately, sometimes as we heard change is a difficult thing to take and move forward with. In this situation, although it is a good move, I think there needs to be more done. The situation in my community was an organization put forward a proposal that was to try to seek some funding through this early childhood intervention. They were denied because it did not focus on just children, it focused on the family.

Mr. Speaker, if we are going to do any changes and improve conditions for children, we have to focus on families. We cannot take children, put them in the classroom, no matter what age, and figure that they are going to learn it all there, because at the end of the day, they go back home. If the situation at home is not changed, what are we doing? We give them a few hours a day of instruction, send them back home and hope that they will teach the families, their parents? I think we need to continue to work on the whole situation of families. I would encourage the Ministers in the social envelope to look at further changes that would further produce and impact families positively. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 119-13(5): Early Childhood Intervention

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 120-13(5): International Year Of Older Persons

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognize our elders, as my honourable colleague, Mr. Ng , announced in this House regarding the progress on plans for the International Year of Older Persons. Throughout our land we have many individuals who have contributed greatly to the formation of this country and for their respective regions. In my region we have had many great elders, Chief Jimmy Bruno, Chief Arrowmaker, Chief Mowhi and many others who have seen the future and realized the need for change.

All regions across our country have community members who have passed on or are in their later years who contribute to the betterment of the community and the country at large. These residents are a great resource for us all and should be recognized for their contributions. I believe this will be a very worthwhile event and I hope the International Year of Older Persons will be promoted and recognized by our regions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 121-13(5): Diamond Value-added Industries

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, Mr. Speaker, I wish to once again visit the issue of value added industry and the diamond mining companies. Even though, Mr. Speaker, I note that BHP has exceeded their northern hiring and purchasing quotas as outlined in their socio-economic agreement, I cannot help but feel they are not willing to walk that extra mile with northerners. The north needs to diversify. If we continue to rely on a resource-based economy, our own economy will also continue to be subject to market fluctuations in the resource sector. The recent layoffs at the local gold mines are a prime example.

What the diamond mining companies have to realize is that we are fighting for jobs for all northerners. We are fighting to stabilize the economy of our city, impacted by government cutbacks and mine layoffs.

Mr. Speaker, I am confident that the honourable Ministers Todd and Kakfwi are doing everything they can to lobby the federal government and the diamond companies to ensure that as much value-added industry as possible stays in the Northwest Territories. My honourable colleague, Mr. Todd , has gone even further, by stating that the GNWT would initiate a tax regime that could choke a mule if the Northwest Territories does not get a reasonable share of the secondary diamond mining spin-offs required. I am opposed to the introduction of a tax. I would much prefer, Mr.

Speaker, to see jobs created and have the employees paying taxes to the government. We need one or the other. Taxes from the diamond producers or jobs for northerners.

Mr. Speaker, I understand that the diamond mining industry does not like the thought of any more taxes, and most certainly, not the kind that would choke a mule. I wonder, Mr.

Speaker, if the diamond mines would consider selling to the Government of the Northwest Territories or a similar organization, a Crown corporation, some of the run of mine product so that Crown corporation could in turn sell those run of mine product to employers who would bring that industry to the Northwest Territories so that we could get a start on a diamond cutting and polishing industry and the related industries that that would create. Mr.

Speaker, we have to look at the innovative solutions to ensure that as much of the secondary diamond mining industry stays in the Northwest Territories for the benefit of all northerners. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 121-13(5): Diamond Value-added Industries

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 122-13(5): Canadian Gold Reserves

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last several days, I have spoken about the economic downturn in Yellowknife. A lot of our recent problems have to do with the low price of gold which has resulted in the closure of mines and the layoff of personnel. It may interest the Members to know the plummeting price of gold was triggered last year when some industrialized countries started selling off their gold reserves. Imagine my surprise, Mr. Speaker, to discover Canada is leading the way in this action. In 1980 Canada held 21 million ounces of gold in its central reserves.

During the decade, Ottawa sold off 6.2 million ounces leaving our reserves at a still healthy 14.8 million ounces coming into the 1990s.

In the past seven years, Canada has virtually depleted its gold holdings so that we are now down to 3.1 million ounces, yet our G7 partners have all held their reserves steady at much higher levels. Instead of protecting a major segment of Canada's mining industry, Canada's actions have helped drive the price of gold down leading to mine closures and layoffs of hundreds of workers. Canada is a gold producing country. The federal government needs to demonstrate confidence in gold markets. The federal government needs to be constructive.

They should rebuild Canada's gold reserves by buying at today's low prices and reselling when the price rebounds. That would help stabilize gold prices and express confidence in the industry. Ottawa would benefit from royalties, employment, corporate and income taxes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 122-13(5): Canadian Gold Reserves

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 407

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 123-13(5): Renewable Resource Officer Training Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 407

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the safety equipment and training for renewable resource officers. Mr. Speaker, recently the renewable resource officers in the western NWT requested more training in the areas of enforcement, specifically, conflict resolution, investigative techniques and the safety equipment associated with the use of force. I support their request, Mr. Speaker. Primarily because when I was going to school in Saskatchewan, there were stories of officers in the remote areas.

They came upon people who were poaching and whatnot and several times people were badly beaten and had to go to the hospital and that sort of thing. I support this. The reasons the officers are requesting this is because there is an increased number of acts and regulations they are expected to enforce and investigations and prosecutions have increased. Also, the conflicts associated with enforcement have increased, along with fines and jail terms which also have increased. This increases the potential for conflict.

Usually, officers are alone when they conduct routine patrols in remote areas and they often encounter people they do not know. Many of those people have firearms. In the past a wildlife officer was familiar with the majority of people whom he or she met. Today, that is not true. You never know, the person whom they stop might be someone who is on Canada's most wanted list. I am glad to see that the Minister has recognized the potential for a problem and has instituted a health and safety committee.

I urge the Minister to accept the recommendations from this committee to ensure that our renewable resource officers can do their job properly and safely. Thank you.

--Applause

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Page 407

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Oral Question 118-13(5): Opinion On Conflict Of Interest

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Page 407

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Picco on January 28, 1998, opinion on conflict of interest. As requested by the honourable Member for Iqaluit , I have further information with respect to the appointment of the Minister of Finance and Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development to the Aurora Funds board and whether these appointments represent a conflict of interest.

It is the opinion of the Department of Justice that there is no conflict of interest. Neither Minister is compensated either directly nor indirectly for work or activities associated with the Aurora Funds. Therefore, they are not in a conflict of interest as defined under the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act.

Section 2, subsection C of the ministerial guidelines states:

Ministers shall not, except as may be required as a duty of office, hold an office or directorship in any organization other than a social club, religious organization or political party.

I would like to mention in the course of checking into this matter, it was discovered that through an administrative oversight the appointment of the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development to the board of the Aurora Funds was not formally ratified by Cabinet. This oversight has no bearing on the conflict of interest question, nor on the Minister's activities to date in relation to the board.

This appointment has since been formalized by Cabinet, as it is this government's opinion, backed by the legal opinion I have just outlined, that it is good government for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , along with the Minister of Finance , to serve as members and/or directors of the Aurora Funds boards.

I appreciate the opportunity to provide this information to the House, and trust it addresses any concerns Members have, and draws the issue of a potential conflict of interest to a conclusion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 408

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Barnabas .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 408

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Ms. Pat Thomas, the president of the NWTTA. Thank you.

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Page 408

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 137-13(5): Health Board Support Systems

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . It is in regard to the relationship between the Department of Health and Social Services and health boards, in light of some of the current problems that have been experienced with some boards. Could the Minister indicate what type of monitoring and evaluation support systems are in place and are being added to make sure that we move from the crisis mode into a more calmer, more rational approach to planning and support of boards? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Page 408

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department has always had a board development

section within the ministry. What we have done as I indicated last fall as the result of recognizing the need to be more in tune, I guess, with some of the activities that the boards are undertaking, we established a monitoring and evaluating unit that is now formed under program planning support and evaluation. This unit will work with boards in identifying what their needs are in respect to some of the training initiatives of some of their staff. It will provide some of the overall broader support to boards that might not be available or make sense on a board by board basis and provide those supports as needed to beef up their operations.

In respect to some of the monitoring issues, once we set outcomes and standards and reach those agreements with boards, again, our intent is to be actively involved in monitoring some of those outcomes and working with the boards on an ongoing basis as they deliver programs, as they attempt to implement changes in the way they deliver some of their programs and ensure they will meet some of the outcomes and some of the standards that we would expect, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate whether in fact there are specific staff on this new secretariat or group that was formed, the monitoring and evaluation group to work with specific boards? Is there an opportunity for, sort of a work relationship to be developed with individual boards and specific people at headquarters or is it just a broad departmental-wide kind of support? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I understand it now, it is more of a broader unit that is going to be providing services to all boards. As required, again, there will be specific individuals, obviously with specific areas of specialization who will be expected to work with boards throughout the territories. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 408

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The issue of board training is also a critical one that has been referred to somewhat today. Could the Minister indicate what kind of board training is in place and is required? Is there a standard criteria and course that all new boards and board members are required to take? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, all boards are actively undergoing board trustee development workshops. I believe a former Stanton board chair, Mr. Tony Chang, undertakes a number of these training workshops with all boards. The feedback I have had in speaking with trustees and with board chairs is that it is a very effective forum for them and a very effective workshop that outlines their responsibilities and gives them the decision-making authority. It outlines the guidelines and the expectations that they are required to be knowledgeable of in carrying out their responsibilities, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Page 409

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate whether there is any requirement in terms of how often or how quickly this board training has to occur, once the board is in place? Is there a potential for or is it done in a timely fashion so there are no great periods of time where a new board may be floundering about because it is unsure and has not been trained? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it would again depend, obviously, on the different circumstances of the board. If the board has undergone some radical turnover for whatever reason, there are a lot of new trustees, obviously, we would try to emphasize the need to have these types of workshops as soon as possible.

In the case of other boards where there might be a slower turnover in respect to some of the trustees, they could plan some of these workshops where it would not, obviously, be of such an urgent nature and it could be of an ongoing nature in beefing up or re-establishing for the current board members and providing the new training for the newer board members, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 138-13(5): Rabies Outbreak In Gjoa Haven

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 409

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question has health and environmental implications in it for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, over the Christmas holidays, according to my understanding there was an outbreak of rabies in Gjoa Haven, I believe, or perhaps throughout the region because the animals such as foxes and wolves have no boundary. My question to the Premier is what is the status of the concern? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a shipment of vaccine being shipped to Gjoa Haven tomorrow. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 409

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you. I was busy looking at my note, I did not get what the response was. I understand that people and dogs were vaccinated around Christmas time. It is also my understanding that there was an outbreak of rabies in Gjoa Haven. What is the status of that, is the problem still there? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure what started the outbreak and I would be pleased to check into it for the Member. I will check with the Department of RWED as well as the Department of Health. I would be pleased to give that information directly to the Member. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 139-13(5): Additional Taxes On The Mining Industry

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 409

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for Mr. Todd , the Minister of Finance . My question to the Minister is, I understand the mining companies do not like the idea of additional taxes. I would ask the Minister if he would make some comment on that from the perspective of what else would they be prepared to work at or assist the people of the north if they do not like the taxes? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Page 409

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Of course, nobody likes taxes and that is all understandable. I do not like taxes, but the reality of life is that countries like Canada, democracies, run on taxes and we need to ensure in this country, the Northwest Territories gets its fair share of the coming developments that are taking place around us. Perhaps, in my earlier comments in my enthusiasm to demonstrate my determination of our taxation, I inadvertently used the term, to choke a mule. It certainly was not my intention at the time to frighten investors.

It was merely to demonstrate the sincerity and seriousness that I saw and the need for northerners to access their appropriate share of developments. Taxes are one option and, of course, Mr. Kakfwi , our Minister of RWED , is the lead Minister in looking at all the other economic opportunities that should or will hopefully unfold with the diamond development. Some of the areas, as you know, that we are looking at, Mr. Kakfwi is discussing with the industry is the diamond valuation sorting facility.

We are also looking at the possibility of accessing the rough, so northerners have the capability to access rough at a reasonable price so they can do the kind of value-added industry that we believe, does not require subsidization and can, in fact, be done.

In fact, Mr. Speaker, I am told that some of this value-added stuff is being done in New York. It is being done in Tel Aviv.

It is being done in Antwerp, et cetera, so the argument I constantly hear by others, about the need for subsidization, I think really, it requires further examination before one makes those kinds of comments. This government's objective is to protect the interests of northerners. That is why they elected us. That is why they put us in the positions we have. I, for one, along with my colleague, Mr. Kakfwi , intend to do that.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for those comments. On the question of costs, I, along with some of my colleagues in this House, had the opportunity to see first hand some of the opportunities that would be available to the Northwest Territories from value-added industries that could go onto diamonds. I found Antwerp and London to be extremely expensive so I support the Minister when he says the north may not be that expensive to perform some of these added values.

Could the Minister tell me if the idea of a Crown corporation or similar organization purchasing diamonds and selling them, themselves, has been floated with the mining companies and what their response is? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

It is currently being discussed amongst Cabinet and amongst the industry as one option we may wish to consider. Again, as I stress, Mr. Kakfwi is not here today. I am working with him in partnership to try to come to, if you want, a consensus as to what the bottom line should be for this government and for the people of the territories. I would suggest that some form of access to the rough diamonds should, in my opinion, as is done in every other jurisdiction in the world, be in the hands of northerners.

Whether it is through a government agency or through the private sector, that is yet, I believe to be determined. Certainly the principles of accessing the rough or a percentage of the rough to northern peoples, surely is not only a right but it is good corporate business.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just cannot understand why, if a company has a product that it wishes to sell, it could not offer that for sale to any organization who wishes to buy? My question to the Minister is, will he continue with Mr. Kakfwi to pursue that with the company and his government to ensure that we can set up an organization to ensure that this happens and that we have some control over producing jobs in the secondary industries. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

In fairness to the current company, the course of discussions underway, BHP, I believe, has said that they are prepared to provide access to the rough diamonds to northerners and to Canadians. I should qualify that. They are prepared to do that. We just have to work out, I think, a system as to how that is going to occur. Certainly, as I said, Mr. Kakfwi and myself are trying to prepare along with my colleague, Mr.

Dent , a common position that this government can take, that we can pursue with the industry, at the same time balance that out with the need for the industry to remain competitive for it has a right to a return on investment as we have a right to expect that northerners get the maximum benefit from this industry, that after all the diamonds are northern diamonds. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is in regard to my earlier Member's statement on FAS/FAE. My question to the Minister for Health is, does the Department of Health have a strategy to deal with FAS/FAE other than identifying the problem? For example, we do not have any specialists. Do they have a strategy in place? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand right now, the department actively works with communities in identifying potential projects which are incorporated in FAS/FAE prevention component. As you know, not that long ago we also worked with the FAS/FAE working group in assisting them in developing a video that has been translated and sent to communities and schools across the Northwest Territories, which also outlines some of the prevention supports for caregivers and for parents of FAS/FAE individuals, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my earlier statement I did talk about prevention and the money that had been given to Pauktuutit. My question was on after we have identified the problem, what do we do for these people? I understand for example, in my region there is no specialist, no audiologist, no speech pathologists. If the nurse identifies them at the hospital or the nurse's station, there is

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, those resources and supports would be at the regional level. It may not be specialists but, certainly the programs would be outlined and individuals would be provided some of the support through the regional health and social services boards or through the regional education boards, depending on the circumstances and the requirements of the individuals, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not going to argue the point. Mr. Speaker, I have been in contact, for example, this morning with the Baffin FAS/FAE group As I just said, they are telling me that indeed, someone has been identified as a person who has FAS/FAE There is nothing available. I am not going to keep going back and forth with the question so I would ask the Minister, would he commit at this time to look into what services are available for a person who has FAS/FAE because it is a serious matter and I do not want to debate it? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not intend to debate with the honourable Member, as well. I look forward that if he has specifics about individuals who are not receiving adequate support, I will be more than glad to look into the situation and report back to him on that. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not a specialist in FAS/FAE. All I am doing is bringing forward a concern from my constituency from the Baffin region, the people who are working at ground level. I would ask the Minister to take it at face value. What I will do for the Minister, if he will commit to following up on the letters that I will provide, and I have one right here. I will table it in the House today, from the FAS/FAE people outlining their concerns. It is a concern. I am asking the Minister again, would he commit to looking at some type of help to have specialists, to have dollars available for the region? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will be glad to look into the issues that the honourable Member brings forward and find some suitable solutions to try and address those needs, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment . As I raise the issue of childhood intervention in my Member's statement, I would like to know if the Minister has looked at the, I believe it is the healthy children initiative. There are policies on the way it would be set out, how groups can access the funding to try and improve conditions for the children. I would like to know if there are any changes in the program because right now it is very focused on just children's initiatives and not to do with the families.

Are there any changes that the Minister is aware of that he can bring forward to us? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when we introduced this program, which is a joint initiative of the Department of Health and Social Services and the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, we agreed that we would concentrate on initiatives for children. It was intended as an Early Intervention Program. That is how we first phrased it, an Early Intervention Program. It is specifically targeted at children at risk to try to improve their chances of success in life. As far as I am aware, there has been no change in the focus in the program.

The program is coming close to its first anniversary of operation. We have set up a mechanism under which we will assess how the program is working during the second year of operation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform us with this group that we look at the achievements on how the program is working? From those, will there be changes to the program after receiving input from this group? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the entire purpose of doing an evaluation is to find out if the program is achieving its goals and if it can be

improved. If the evaluation demonstrates that it can be improved, we will certainly look at changing how it is delivered. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 142-13(5): Health And Social Services Action Plan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is to the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng , in regard to the announcement, the action plan for the Keewatin region. Mr. Speaker, regarding the concerns of health of the opening statement I made reference to, the health issue does not only affect any particular region, riding or community. Health affects everyone especially when it comes to the delivery of health and social services programs to the people we represent. With that, Mr.

Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister, will the Minister in regard to implementing the action plan for the Keewatin region look at implementing a similar action plan for all regions in the Northwest Territories, especially in the Mackenzie Delta?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I fully understand that health and social services is a territorial issue. The reason why the Keewatin action plan was spoken on, of course, is because there are some specific issues ongoing in the Keewatin right now that needed to be addressed to reassure the public and restore confidence and stability in the Keewatin health care system. That is the reason for the specific Keewatin statement. Also, part of that statement, Mr.

Speaker, as you may recall is the mention of a physician, health care professional, nursing, social worker recruitment retention plan that I made a commitment to try to table into this House before the end of February, before we rise. That issue is a territorial issue, Mr. Speaker. With respect to that issue, it is not just specific to the Keewatin. It encompasses all boards throughout the Northwest Territories and the personnel that is required to deliver the health and social services for our residents, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the whole idea of consulting with communities it is all great and good but I think we have to take in line that something has to be done to look at the concerns of individuals who represent the communities and the whole question of delivery of service. One of the questions I would like to ask the Minister is, that is, one of the concerns that seems to be the highlight of a lot of concerns is in the area in regard to the high turnover of doctors and nurses in a lot of our communities, especially in a lot of the isolated regions of the north.

What is being done to look at that specific problem? How are the communities going to be assured that will be dealt with? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe I have indicated, and I will say again recruitment or retention plan for health care professionals, including physicians, nurses, social workers is being developed and finalized as we speak. The plan is to table that in this House for Members to have an opportunity to debate it, to review it and to make comments and suggestions on whether it is appropriate or there are mechanisms that they would think might be more suitable, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the whole area of reports, I mean, we can file all the reports we want, but at the end of the day, basically, it is what is being done to ensure we improve the service that matters to people in communities. I think the final question I have, Mr. Speaker, is in regard to the whole question of medical personnel visiting our communities in which you have to wait for a period of one to two months and where, in larger centres, you can walk into the hospital and see a doctor at any one time, but in most communities, you have to wait a matter of months to see these individuals.

With the lack of doctors in our regional centres, it is having an effect on the whole improvement of having medical personnel visiting our isolated communities. So, what is being done to improve the frequency of those visits, and what is this department doing to ensure that there will be improvement in that area?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, Mr. Speaker, I guess provided the manpower recruitment and retention plan is accepted and there are adequate resources and support provided to health care professionals, I would think it would allow for less turnover. It would allow for more retention of those individuals who would be able to provide more services for the residents of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . It is in regard to the University and College Entrance Preparation Program which is nonexistent in Yellowknife at this time. I was wondering if the Minister could indicate why there is no University and College Entrance Preparation Program in Yellowknife this year?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I understand, this program is a federal program which the Government of the Northwest Territories through my department administers on behalf of the federal government. I believe the program funds that were allocated for the Northwest Territories were expended by last fall. The funds for this fiscal year have been used. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, the Minister indicated that all the funds were used up by last fall. Could the Minister indicate how this program works? For instance, do they have funds to actually put on a program including instructors and the whole works or do they just have funds for the students? How does this work?

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Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have the details of the program with me. I will undertake to provide those to the Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Considering the low education rates of the aboriginal people in the Northwest Territories, particularly with the Yellowknives Dene First Nation which is in my constituency, I wonder if the Minister could undertake to try to ensure there is a UCEP Program in Yellowknife this year, so that people can be assisted to get into university and college? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have, on a number of occasions, encouraged the federal government to increase the amount of funding they provide for us to deliver the UCEP Program on their behalf, as well as broadening the program to include Metis people. We have thus far been unsuccessful. The Member can rest assured that we will continue to ask the federal government to improve not only the level of funding, but the access to the program. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seem to recall asking this exact same question last year about this time and getting the same response. It does not seem as though too much has been done. I would ask the Minister if he could attempt to put some of the GNWT's resources into this as well? This is our problem. This is not the federal government's problem. It is our people out there who cannot get into university.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government puts a significant amount of funding into adult education and has for quite some time. Upgrading courses are offered across the territories, and given the fiscal situation, I believe we have done our best to maintain delivery of those programs through various sources, whether they be through the colleges or other mechanisms. This government does the best it can right now, to provide assistance in this area. I would agree that it is an issue we cannot ignore. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 144-13(5): Report On Keewatin Dental Services

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, I believe last year the Keewatin Dental Therapy Program was privatized. Is the Minister aware of any federal report that indicates this decision will result in higher costs to this government and lesser services for the people of the Keewatin?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of any report on that matter. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, given the fact that the Minister's department has agreed to reconsider negotiations with the Northern Medical Unit to reinstate medical services to the Keewatin, would the Minister give consideration to also including a review of the privatization of the Dental Therapy Program in the Keewatin to see if, in fact, it is cost effective, if it is working and in the best interest of the people of the Keewatin? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe parts of the program review of the operations of the Keewatin Health Board, that is one aspect of the review that is being undertaken right now. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, on the same line of questioning, would the Minister agree to provide the House with at least a brief update as to how this initiative is working to date? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be glad to do that once I get the information. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, my questions are addressed to the Minister of Health and Social Services and are still in relation to the boards and systems of support that are in place to work with them. Could the Minister indicate in regard to board training? Is there a standard criteria that facilitators and trainers have to use when they train boards to ensure there is a common baseline of information and knowledge imparted to board members, so that they have a common basis for doing their jobs? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that there is right now, and certainly as I had indicated in answers to earlier questions, Mr. Tony Chang, who is undertaking a lot of this board development training, has been delivering, from my understanding, almost all, if not all, of the training and board development to trustees throughout the Northwest Territories. But I will check into that and ensure there is some consistency there and advise the Member. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In relation to some of the monitoring and evaluation, specifically on the financial side, could the Minister indicate what kind of financial supports and controls are in place to work with boards and ensure that the money is being spent wisely and that they are not running into financial problems? Specifically, I am thinking of things like variance reports and such that would give a signal. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe right now we have received at least quarterly reports, if not, monthly. I am not exactly sure of the frequency on board financial dealings, and we are able to monitor their expenditures based on that. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Another issue of concern related to boards is the critical roles played by CEOs. Currently in Fort Smith, for instance, there is a vacancy, and I believe there is still one in the Keewatin as well. Could the Minister indicate, does the Department of Health and Social Services play a role on the hiring committee for CEOs, and who would fill that role? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the past, we have totally left it up to the board whether or not they have wanted assistance from the department on some of the recruitment of their CEOs. However, as a result of some

of the circumstances that have happened over the past months, I guess, we are actively now intervening in the process and suggesting that we would want, at least, to be able to have some formal input into the selection of the CEO in order that we can be comfortable that the responsibilities are carried out as required, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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