Debates of Oct. 26th, 2005

This is page numbers 551 - 610 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Northern Transportation Conference

National Adoption Awareness Month

Student Financial Assistance - Building Our Capacity

Tribute To Young Classical Guitarist Lyndon Duong

Sahtu Region Rcmp Special Constables

Protecting Children From Exposure To Second-hand Smoke

Aboriginal Language Literacy And School-based Programs

GNWT Support For Akaitcho Process Negotiations

Name Change For The Hamlet Of Holman

Samuel Hearne Secondary School Contracting Process

Access To Student Financial Assistance

Nahendeh Housing Concerns

Administration Of Sole Sourced And Negotiated Contracts

Seniors' And Disabled Persons' Housing Concerns

Birthday Greetings To Mackenzie Delta Constituents

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Hay River Museum

Liard River Ferry Service

Sole Source And Negotiated Contracts

Seniors And Disabled Housing Programs

Aboriginal Languages

Mackenzie Valley Winter Road Safety Programs

Contract Awards To Repair Samuel Hearne School

Student Financial Assistance For Adult Education

Closure Of Fort Smith Day Care

Akaitcho Process Negotiations

Name Change For The Hamlet Of Holman

Status Of Nahendeh Housing Project

Contract Administration And Accountability

Return To Written Question 11-15(4): Day Care Services

Return To Written Question 16-15(4): Assistance To Hunters And Trappers

Tabled Document 68-15(4): List Of Inter-activity Transfers Exceeding $250,000 For The Period April 1, 2005, To October 7, 2005

Tabled Document 69-15(4): Status Report - Human Resources In The Corrections Service

Tabled Document 70-15(4): Provincehood For The Northwest Territories, Volume One, August 2005

Tabled Document 71-15(4): Letters Of Support For A Tuktoyaktuk Access Road To A Gravel Source

Tabled Document 72-15(4): Letters From Energy Wall And Building Products Ltd. To The Premier

Revert To Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Speaker's Ruling

Beverage Container Recovery Program

Energy Costs And Overall Cost Of Living

Recorded Vote

Beverage Container Recovery Program

Recorded Vote

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Delete $136,000 From Department Of The Executive, Executive Offices Activity In Bill 11

Amend Committee Motion 3-15(4), Withdrawn

To Delete $108,000 From The Department Of Municipal And Community Affairs, School Of Community Government Activity In Bill 11

To Delete $50,000 From The Department Of Health And Social Services, Directorate Activity In Bill 11

To Delete $460,000 From The Department Of Education, Culture And Employment, Income Security Activity In Bill 11

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, Members. Welcome to the House. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 57-15(4): Northern Transportation Conference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform the House of the upcoming northern transportation conference to be held in Yellowknife on November 8th to 10th. It will be co-hosted by three of Canada's leading transportation "think tanks:" The Van Horne Institute, the Transportation Institute of the University of Manitoba, and the Western Transportation Advisory Council, or WESTAC.

Mr. Speaker, this conference will help focus the spotlight on the North and our transportation system. It will bring together delegates from across Canada to inform them of the immense opportunities in the North and transportation's role in achieving these opportunities. In the end, delegates will be challenged to work collectively to draft a transportation action plan.

To help develop this action plan, delegates will hear a number of presentations and panel discussions on topics such as transportation partnerships, the state of northern transportation infrastructure, the challenges facing all modes of transportation, the impact of pipeline development, climate change, and northern sovereignty and security.

Mr. Speaker, this is an impressive list of topics. To do them justice, the conference organizers have invited an equally impressive list of presenters. They have drawn from industry, academia, governments and aboriginal organizations to ensure a balanced and spirited discussion.

Mr. Speaker, we are pleased to report that officials from the Department of Transportation, along with their colleagues from Nunavut and the Yukon, have had significant input into the development of the conference themes and selection of keynote speakers and expert presenters. The Department of Transportation is also providing financial and administrative support, as well as a number of speakers. With my counterparts from Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, we will be discussing the need for partnerships with the western provinces in achieving economic growth and providing improved transportation services.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, we look forward to attending the northern transportation conference and participating in what will be a challenging and enlightening forum. This will be a great opportunity to showcase the North to the rest of Canada and highlight the unique transportation issues facing us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 58-15(4): National Adoption Awareness Month

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, November is National Adoption Awareness Month. This is an opportunity to recognize all those adoptive families in the NWT who have opened their hearts to children in need of families.

Adoption provides a child with permanence and security. All children need roots and a feeling that they belong to a family. This feeling of belonging affects their sense of self-worth. It helps to determine how they see themselves in relation to others and to their community.

There were 43 custom adoptions last year. Custom adoptions ensure aboriginal children in care are raised with aboriginal families whenever possible, keeping them connected to their extended family and community. Additionally, the department arranged and completed 13 other adoptions last year.

The face of adoption has changed over the years. There are children of all ages being adopted in the NWT, including some with special needs. Many hopeful adoptive parents believe that children will enrich their lives and that they have a lot to offer a child in need.

Prospective parents can be married, common-law, or single. Individuals, like a step-parent, can also adopt their spouse's children. Some prospective parents are childless, while others are looking to expand their families, or have children who have grown up and left home. Regardless, the support and security of a permanent home is paramount to any child's development, and each child in the NWT is entitled to healthy development and a loving family.

As we celebrate adoptive families, let us remember that there are children in the NWT who are eager to have a loving and permanent family. Residents interested in adoption can contact their local Health and Social Services office for more information. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 59-15(4): Student Financial Assistance - Building Our Capacity

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. We are living in a very interesting and exciting period, with many changes and developments happening in the Northwest Territories. In recent years, we have seen diamond mine activity in the North Slave geological area, proposed oil and gas development along the Mackenzie Valley, discussion of the potential for hydro activity in the South Slave and Sahtu areas, and progress in self-government development including the creation of the Tlicho Government. Each of these new developments brings with it the requirement for labour supply and for new skills.

Education continues to be the key to whether a person can take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves. It is no secret, Mr. Speaker, the higher your level of education, the better your chance of employment. Now, more than 70 percent of new jobs require at least some post-secondary education or training.

The Government of the Northwest Territories, through its Student Financial Assistance program, SFA, provides support for northerners to pursue a post-secondary education and encourages students to return to the North upon graduation. Each year, approximately 1,400 northerners are supported through the SFA program. These students are enrolled in a range of certificate, diploma, and degree-level programs in institutions across the country. Supporting these students is one of the most important investments we can make to ensure we have a well-educated population able to prosper and take advantage of opportunities in the North.

Mr. Speaker, when we talk with other jurisdictions, they often tell us that our SFA program is one of the best programs in the country. The funding we provide in the form of grants, remissible loans, scholarships and other loan supports is generally higher than elsewhere, and our remission program is second to none. Nonetheless, we must continually monitor how well our program is supporting the education goals of our students. In addition, we need, on occasion, to make adjustments to the program that are fair, affordable and within the overall intent of assisting students.

Effective with the 2005-2006 academic year, there are a number of changes that have been made to the SFA program that will improve support for our students. Students will now be required to complete 60 percent of a full course load instead of 75 percent to be considered full time. We have also clarified the eligibility criteria for academic merit scholarships and eliminated the restrictions that were previously in place that disqualified students from support if they were employed full time.

The changes this year are, I believe, important for supporting our students in a fiscally responsible manner. We are also considering other parts of the program that could be altered. For example, we are looking at amending the academic performance requirements of students so that oversight occurs on an annual basis rather than on a semester-by-semester basis. We are also examining how we provide travel benefits to students with the view to providing cash rather than the current voucher system.

Mr. Speaker, each possible change will be weighed carefully to get the right balance, providing a meaningful level of support that encourages students to start and continue their studies, and providing support within our government's fiscal means. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Tribute To Young Classical Guitarist Lyndon Duong

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to speak today in honour of a young musical prodigy in our midst, a 13-year-old recording artist...

---Applause

...who I am happy to say is in the gallery today with his mother, Hung Li. Mr. Speaker, in case some of the Members have not recognized him, he is the one who starred on CTV's Canada Morning Show this summer.

Mr. Speaker, on October 15th, Lyndon achieved a feat not experienced by many, and that was the launch of his first CD entitled Serenade. This compilation contains the recording of 12 very difficult, beautiful, timeless classical guitar pieces, some of them very well known Vietnamese songs. He performed some of them live to the enthusiastic audience who came out to the launch in big numbers, in spite of a massive snowstorm. Mr. Speaker, I can tell you that this House was well represented at this event by Premier Handley, Minister Dent , MLAs Bill Braden and Norman Yakeleya .

For me, personally, it was a very moving experience to be at this launch. It was such a celebration of music, family and community, not only because it was a welcoming party of this newest, phenomenal musical talent to our already vast pool of our musical and artistic community, but it was such a testimonial to what such an extraordinary amount of discipline, determination and strong support from families can achieve for a young person, and how, in turn, endless benefits and goodwill can flow out to the whole community.

Mr. Speaker, I learned from this event that young Lyndon has been practicing his classical guitar every day for the last seven years, more than half of his young life of 13 years, at least an hour a day during the week and many more on weekends. I learned that his father, Bacai, was there for every single practice, and I know his mother would not have been too far away from them.

Mr. Speaker, it just created for me such a beautiful picture of a family surrounding this young talent and giving him love and support and all the resources he needs to be the best he can be. How lucky they are to do it and celebrate their success together.

Another important beneficiary of Lyndon's success is the Canadian Cancer Society, who will receive all profits from the CD sales. Mr. Speaker, Lyndon's father, Bacai, spoke movingly at the event and said, very adamantly, that it was very important that the family does not profit financially from the launch. Lyndon's parents moved to Yellowknife and Canada 25 years ago, with their two young children, after a very dangerous journey. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to finish my statement.

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Tribute To Young Classical Guitarist Lyndon Duong

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you. The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Ms. Lee .

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Tribute To Young Classical Guitarist Lyndon Duong

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can tell you Lyndon's parents moved to Yellowknife and Canada 25 years ago, with their two young children, after a very dangerous journey, which almost cost them their lives, to find freedom and opportunities in Canada. It brought tears to my eyes when he said his good feeling of waking up in Canada and Yellowknife has never faded in all these years, and that he has tried his best to instill that appreciation to his three children. I can tell you I have known the family for 25 years, and, as an immigrant, I think I know a little bit about that feeling.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to mention that Lyndon's older brother and sister are also very accomplished. Lyndon's older brother is finishing his master's program in science, I believe, in Alberta. His older sister, Kim, is practicing law in Toronto. She was also formerly employed at the Legislative Assembly.

Let me invite the House in sending warm congratulations on this amazing achievement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Sahtu Region Rcmp Special Constables

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to talk about the RCMP special constables. It is with great pride -- great pride -- for a special group of people, that I rise in this Assembly today. I wish to talk about the RCMP special constables.

For more than a century, the national force has hired local aboriginal people in our communities to assist them in their work. In 1874, when the force started, they hired 20 Metis as guides to help them to what is known in the RCMP history as "The March West." In the early days, the true value of "the specials," as they came to be known, was truly recognized. In 1905, constables were paid the sum of $1 per day, and the specialists got $1.50. There have been many dozens, if not hundreds, of special constables in the Northwest Territories in the last century.

There are three special constables whom I wish to recognize here in the House today: Victor Menacho, Alfred Lennie, Archie Lennie. Victor is now in the hospital. I know all Members in this House will take a few minutes to recognize him and all those special people.

Mr. Speaker, of all the true special constables I wish to talk about, for a moment, I wish to recognize service to our people in our communities. These fellows all travelled in our regions where they worked by dog team in the winter, and by boat with an eight-horse kicker in the summer. Victor Menacho was a special constable with the Fort Norman detachment from 1956 to 1962. He took care of many dogs, as many as 52 dogs a year, on a year-round basis. He fished to feed the dogs. While he was hired, he was paid $62 a month and was given food rations of canned meat, flour, sugar, and lard.

In 1957, when Victor married Charlotte Yakeleya, his food ration was doubled, and he got a raise to $85 a month.

Alfred Lennie worked in Tulita for the force from 1946 to 1950. He took care of detachment dog teams, and he was paid only $2 a day when he was hired, plus he got a ration of canned meat, flour, and sugar. When he married his wife, Julie Menacho, in 1947, he got a raise to $3 per day and double rations. But with the clawbacks of that double ration, his pay was reduced back to $2 a day.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Yakeleya , your time for your Member's statement has expired.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to finish my statement.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you. The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Even then, the feds knew how to give something with one hand and take it back with the other.

Mr. Speaker, Archie Lennie was a special constable with the Aklavik detachment from 1949 to 1952. In his police record, it contains the highest praise: that he served faithfully.

Mr. Speaker, in closing, I want to say to these truly special people, they are our friends and our relatives, and they have the great honour of serving the world's most respected national police force. We owe a great debt of gratitude to them, and I thank the Minister of Justice for honouring them with the ceremony yesterday.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Protecting Children From Exposure To Second-hand Smoke

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would first like to say that I am pleased that the Tobacco Control Act was introduced in this House earlier this week, and I applaud the Minister and his department for that.

That act will prohibit smoking in public places and regulate the sale and advertising of tobacco products. However, Mr. Speaker, controlling smoking in homes remains the responsibility of individual citizens. Today, I would like to make a plea to all smokers, if they won't protect themselves, at least protect children in their care from the dangers of second-hand smoke. We all know tobacco

smoke is a health hazard to non-smokers, yet the number of children exposed to second-hand smoke is very high in a large number of households in the NWT.

Every day, we see young children, or infants, in the back seat of a vehicle, and their parents in the front seat smoking away. You can see the smoke trapped in the vehicle like a capsule. The children, or infants, strapped in their car seats are forced to breathe in that smoke. It's interesting that we can ban smoking in bars to protect the workers there. You can't smoke in your own home at least three hours prior to having a contractor come in to service your furnace because they are protected by legislation from second-hand smoke, but if it's just children, go right ahead. What are they going to do about it?

Mr. Speaker, in 1996-97, nearly 1.6 million Canadian children under the age of 12 were regularly exposed to cigarette smoke at home. This amounts to one-third of all children in this age group. Research shows that 85 percent of young children who live with a daily smoker are regularly exposed to tobacco smoke. In short, if there is a smoker in the household, the chances are very high that children will live in a polluted environment.

Among the important childhood effects of second-hand smoke exposure are exacerbated asthma, ear infection, and even sudden infant death syndrome. Children up to 18 months of age who are exposed to second-hand smoke in the home have up to four times greater risk of experiencing lower respiratory tract infections including bronchitis and pneumonia. In addition, children exposed to second-hand smoke also have more upper respiratory tract infections such as sore throats, stuffy noses, and trouble getting over a cold, than do unexposed children.

Asthma is the most common chronic disease of childhood, and environmental factors play an important

part in determining both onset and severity. Children exposed to second-hand smoke are at least at a 1.5 times greater risk of developing asthma compared to non-exposed children. Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement, please.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given the serious consequences for children who are exposed to second-hand smoke, one might imagine that adults who smoke around children are unaware of the dangers. However, studies suggest that adults are aware of those risks. Mr. Speaker, we know that the best protection for children would result if the smokers would quit. In the meantime, we must make every effort to make sure that our children's health and safety are protected. Children, in particular, do not choose to breathe other people's tobacco smoke. Their right to grow up in an environment free of tobacco smoke must be safeguarded. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Aboriginal Language Literacy And School-based Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, each day that I speak in this House, I choose to speak my own Tlicho language. I do this, Mr. Speaker, because I'm proud of my culture and language.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, I am proud to be Tlicho, and that my children are, as well. I am hoping that they will be saying the same thing down the road, that they are proud of their culture and their language, that they are proud to be Tlicho.

Mr. Speaker, although I am fluent in Tlicho, regrettably, I am not literate. I cannot read or write in my own language. This is a problem, Mr. Speaker. As you know, many of the official languages in the Northwest Territories are struggling. All of these languages have a desire to be strengthened. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment has produced a number of documents supporting aboriginal language and culture-based programs, Mr. Speaker. One of them is People - Our Focus for the Future.

Objective number one reads, "to improve support to communities to achieve their cultural heritage and language goals." This statement identifies language culture-based education as the highest ECE priority, Mr. Speaker.

The communities consulted during the review and update of ECE's strategic plan, in 2000, again reinforced the importance of having aboriginal language and cultures in early childhood in schools and in Aurora College learning centres, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, recognizing the need to increase our human resource base, the department also supports the ACEP program, the Aboriginal Language and Cultural Instructor Program, Mr. Speaker. I am proud to say that the Tlicho language is offered to all students in the Tlicho region, as well as one school in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment at the appropriate time. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Aboriginal Language Literacy And School-based Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 554

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . My apologies to the House. Members, I overlooked reminding the House that the second language in the House today is North Slavey. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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GNWT Support For Akaitcho Process Negotiations

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 554

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to iterate my full support, and respect, toward the Akaitcho process, and to ensure that the Akaitcho Territory Government that I, and some of my colleagues on this side of the House, will provide any assistance within our authority which allows this process to move ahead without unprecedented delays. I would expect the same level of support, and respect, for this claim process from the opposite side of the House. Sadly, Mr. Speaker, this does not seem to be the case today.

Mr. Speaker, earlier this week, I informed the House on the progress that has been made in the Akaitcho process

over the last month. I was glad to say that the Akaitcho process is making some headway toward reaching a final agreement in the near future, an agreement which would allow the First Nations groups in the Akaitcho Territory to become more self-reliant, self-governing, and sustainable in many areas the First Nations are lacking, such as economic development, health, and education.

Mr. Speaker, the realization of a final agreement may be put in jeopardy, or delayed, because the GNWT negotiator's personal agenda may not coincide with the Akaitcho negotiating team's agenda, or maybe for reasons not yet communicated to the other parties involved. But regardless of the tactics incorporated by the GNWT negotiating team, I find them to be unacceptable, unsubstantiated, and, more importantly, uncooperative.

The devolution and resource revenue sharing negotiations this government is currently engaged in are very dependent on these types of relationship-building exercises, and should be, unquestionably, one of the most important topics which our Cabinet Members need to be cognizant of, and make it a priority that the concerns of First Nations negotiating teams are taken very seriously, and acted upon accordingly. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Name Change For The Hamlet Of Holman

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 555

Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today on behalf of the Hamlet of Holman for a simple request to the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, to change the name of Holman to Ulukhatok, which, I understand, means a large bluff where we used to collect raw material to make willows.

Mr. Speaker, the Hamlet of Holman, and the Holman Dictionary Project, have done considerable work in identifying locations near and around Holman. Many ancestral and historic locations have already been identified and given names in Innuinaqtun by the residents of Holman.

One individual that should be recognized is Ms. Emily Kudlak, language coordinator for the Holman Dictionary Project, but, most importantly, Mr. Speaker, the elders and the Hamlet Council of Holman. I applaud the efforts of the elders, the Hamlet and the Holman Dictionary Project in taking on such a huge task in identifying these historic sites, and providing Innuinaqtun names.

Mr. Speaker, I don't know if the Department of Education, Culture and Employment has a process in place to make a simple request for a name change, or whether there is a cost associated for such a request, or whether the Hamlet of Holman needs to provide more background information to the department.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I support the request from the Hamlet of Holman in their request to change their name to Ulukhatok. By changing their name to Ulukhatok, it will give the people of Holman their identity, dignity, and culture they are asking for. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 555

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Samuel Hearne Secondary School Contracting Process

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Page 555

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise again today to speak on the continuing problems of Samuel Hearne Secondary School. I have spoken to the situation before. I have spoken to it from the community and the students' perspective, but, today, Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak to it from the contractors' perspective.

I received many calls from contractors, wanting to know why there was not a public or an invitational process for the work on the piles in the school, even though it was stated publicly that this would be the process followed. The contractors were upset that this wasn't followed.

Mr. Speaker, with this being an emergency, and a lot of local contractors qualified to do this type of work, they could have all been under there. They could all have been given a block to do, and they could get it done quicker, and the students would be back in the school. They would be able to finish out their year, hopefully with no more disruptions.

Mr. Speaker, Public Works has lost a tremendous amount of credibility with their handling of the situation with the school, and the way they administered the contracts. We should do what we can to make sure that this doesn't happen again.

Mr. Speaker, even one of the premier pile repair specialists in Inuvik wasn't given the opportunity to bid on the work, and yet he has a tremendous amount of experience. We should not allow this oversight to happen. We should hold those people responsible and accountable for this. I will have questions for the Minister of Public Works and Services later. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Access To Student Financial Assistance

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 556

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment talked about the Student Financial Assistance program, and some of the very welcomed changes that are being made to it. I want to congratulate the Minister, and the department, for the changes that he described to us. I know, on behalf of a couple of my constituents, these have been areas of concern. It is really gratifying to see that the attention we put on it has been listened to, and accommodated.

Mr. Speaker, there is always something else that can be tuned up. I want to bring to the attention of the Assembly a matter that is out there. It is in regard to the provision of student financial assistance to adults who are taking courses at the Native Women's Association programs here in Yellowknife, Mr. Speaker.

The contrast that I would draw here is that those adult students, who take adult basic education at the Native Women's Association, do not qualify for student financial assistance. However, if they go a few blocks down the street and take the same course at Aurora College, they can get the Student Financial Assistance program. There is a gap here, Mr. Speaker, that I think I would like to draw attention to. Over the last five years, 175 students have gone through the Native Women's Association. It is a very specific and a needed kind of service for adults who, many of them, are in difficult situations.

We are reminded, Mr. Speaker, that education is a productive choice for those people who are on income support. I am sure the Minister is going to be able to give me some good answers, as he has responsibility for both income support and student financial assistance. Thank you very much.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Member's statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Nahendeh Housing Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 556

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Third World conditions, overcrowding, no running water, no disability access, leaking roofs, indoor household mould -- these are some of the things people are describing within our housing conditions currently in the Nahendeh and other communities across the North.

It is unfortunate that the housing concerns in Nahendeh, and other small and remote communities, have developed into a deteriorated situation. Enormous immediate investment is required to maintain even basic standards, Mr. Speaker. Most small and remote communities are far below the national housing standards. I ask why, Mr. Speaker.

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Nahendeh Housing Concerns

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Nahendeh Housing Concerns

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Why is this government 1,400 homes short? If we calculate four people per home, we are talking about 5,000 people who need homes and who are on waiting lists.

Mr. Speaker, the housing conditions, and the costs in the territory, are at a crisis situation. This crisis situation must be dealt with. This government must start acting tough, and not just talking tough on badly needed housing.

Housing costs in the small, remote communities are out of control, putting more and more pressures on housing assistance, and governments must respond.

During the summer, I had the honour to visit some of my constituents within the Nahendeh, and the conditions that some families are living in can even break the coldest hearts. We are not just talking about the quantity of homes either, but also healthy conditions of existing homes; for example, indoor household mould effects. These rundown conditions affect the development of children and produce fatigue in adults. If we had families in Yellowknife living in dilapidated homes, there would be such a community uproar. "How can this happen in our capital city?" would be the cry.

Yet, in the regions, in my region, many families do live in these conditions all year round, Mr. Speaker. It is appalling to have substandard housing conditions in our communities in this year of 2005.

Another issue is the waiting list and overly crowded housing conditions. Studies have shown overcrowded housing conditions affect all sorts of progressive development, from education to healthy living. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank my honourable colleagues, as well. Another big issue, expressed time and time again, with no real progress, is the lack of flexibility in the home loan guarantee policies. Many feel, as well, that regional office approach is unresponsive and gives bureaucratic answers and responses.

Lastly, I have been requesting a housing forum for the Nahendeh for a while. Time and again, there always seems to be reasons for the delay. This forum would be an excellent opportunity for the regions to discuss concerns, and possible solutions. Like our Housing Corporation annual report, Mr. Speaker, the answers have to come from the ground up. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Administration Of Sole Sourced And Negotiated Contracts

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 556

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In this session, I have been asking many questions surrounding how the government conducts business. First, it was how the Housing Corporation went to public tender for two housing units in the community of Behchoko, and how they had a respondent fitter, which so happened to be my constituent, but the Housing Corporation cancelled this legal public tender, only to enter into negotiations at a higher price with the only company left.

Next, I questioned, at length, the Minister of Public Works and Services , over how his department sole sourced a contract for office space in Fort Simpson, contrary to their own policy. When I asked about responsibility, it was very unclear who ultimately takes responsibility because, according to the Minister, Cabinet can delegate authority on sole sourcing. With this, it makes it so convenient, and easy, for Cabinet to wiggle off the hook and blame the bureaucrats.

This is just completely unacceptable to me, Mr. Speaker. I still do not know who made the decision to sole source the office space in Fort Simpson. Was it the Cabinet? Was it the Minister? Was it the Premier , or other regional authorities? Sole source and negotiated contracts make up $60 million that this government spends each year. This is $60 million that does not see any competitive process. The recently released audit on the contracts with the firm Keyscarp, with the former departments of Energy Mines and Petroleum Resources and RWED, demonstrate to me, Mr. Speaker, that we have some problems.

The departments collectively spent over half a million dollars on contracts with Keyscarp that, Mr. Speaker, clearly did not always meet the government contract regulations or the FAM directive. When the audit was done, the department had very limited documentation to prove value for money.

Poor contract administration was clearly evident in the administration of these sole-source contracts. Even if sole sourcing was required because of the fact that no one else was capable of performing the contract the first year, the ongoing nature of work definitely contradicts this view. There was no evidence to justify sole sourcing of contracts for seven consecutive years. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Ramsay .

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Administration Of Sole Sourced And Negotiated Contracts

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Given all of the issues, as of late, with negotiated contracts and sole sourcing, is it not time that we had a good, long and hard look at how we spend our money? We are the stewards of public funds, and we can't forget this fact.

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the government today to examine government spending practices when dealing with sole-source and negotiated contracts. There seems, to me, to be a very grey area there of responsibility between Ministers of the government and the bureaucracy. I remain very skeptical that this type of activity is not happening in other departments. Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the government at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Seniors' And Disabled Persons' Housing Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 557

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I begin, I should thank Mr. Menicoche for reading probably the best part of my speech. He seemed to have scooped me today. Mr. Speaker, when we were on the road doing pre-budget consultations, one of the issues was the housing conditions, and how the disabled and our elders are treated under those conditions.

Many of the residents across our NWT are on fixed incomes. I am referring to the seniors and disabled people, Mr. Speaker, so they have very limited resources to spend on their homes. We heard, especially in many communities, that there was no one there to help fix those homes, let alone even if they did have the money.

Mr. Speaker, regional centres like Yellowknife realize that a lot of these seniors have fixed incomes so they can't even afford to fix these homes. So what is this government doing? We heard a lot about the communities that the only people out there that can help them are the local housing authorities' maintainers, who have to help them on their off hours because their priority is the social housing units. So good on them. They truly are the local heroes in those communities. Many of these housing maintainers do this on their off hours.

I don't know if this government ever takes a moment to pause and say they are truly putting their responsibility of taking care of those folks on their backs, which it should be on the government's, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, taking care of our seniors and disabled people needs to be more than just lip service. It needs to be a principle carved into the walls of this Assembly. We need to take care of seniors and the disabled, period. That needs to be a mandate. I know Aurora College runs a housing maintainer program out there, so why are we using our local authorities to work with these housing maintainers in their training? Why are we doing things like creating a little training trailer unit to go out there and have our maintainers work, get skills, education, and help our seniors and disabled communities by helping those seniors who have leaky windows, doors that don't swing, and things like that?

Mr. Speaker, I know we can do this under the NWT Housing Corporation, but I think it has to be led by the Education Minister to start thinking outside of the box. The bottom line is, we could be doing two wonderful things and have it accomplished. As I say, skills being taught to our people at the local level and taking care of those people who need it most. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Birthday Greetings To Mackenzie Delta Constituents

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 557

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to wish Peter Kay, Sr. a happy 90th birthday.

---Applause

I would like to send my delayed birthday greetings to Peter on his 90th. Peter is a father, a grandfather, a great-grandfather, and also, I believe, a great-great-grandfather. Peter has lived a traditional way of life in Fort McPherson and the Mackenzie Delta area all of his life, and he has

raised a very large family. Today, Peter Kay has been a role model to all of the people in the Mackenzie Delta, the Beaufort Sea, and also in the Yukon.

Peter has made the lives better for the people in our communities just by his presence, but, more importantly, by sharing his wisdom, his culture, and also his traditional way of life. Peter is renowned that he does have a very active lifestyle by his dancing, jigging, and you can always see Peter at all the major dances, and also functions, that happen in all the communities where he makes an effort to go to Tuktoyaktuk, Inuvik, Aklavik, Tsiigehtchic, and the other communities just to perform at these dances.

I think, with Peter's presence in our communities and being 90 years young, that he has definitely touched everyone in our communities. I would also like to wish the family of Peter Kay all the best and, knowing Peter, he will have many years to come. The family and the friends of Peter will be celebrating his birthday in Inuvik on Friday at the Ingamo Hall. At this time, I would like to wish Peter all the best, and also in many years to come.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to also take this time to wish giguu Margaret Vittrekwa, who is also celebrating a birthday today, a happy birthday, and wish her all the best for many years to come. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 558

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, time has happened upon us. I am sure many people have thought about but nobody ever expected it to come to a reality. It is the fact that there are two Miltenbergers in this Legislature this week. I would like to recognize my nephew, my brother's son and heir from Hay River. His parents and his grandfather in Hay River, and his aunts, uncles, and cousins, are very proud of him, as is his grandmother, aunt, and cousins in Fort Smith. I would like to welcome him to the Legislature.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to recognize in the gallery, Lyndon Duong and his mother, Hung Li and my assistant, Cathy Olson. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have had visitors from Hay River all week in the gallery, so I have put off recognizing the two Pages from Hay River South. They are doing a wonderful job here this week, and that is Terry Rowe. He is the son of Greg and Karen Rowe of Hay River, and, of course, Cole Miltenberger. I take full responsibility for there being two Miltenbergers here.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize the chair of the WCB Governance Council, Mr. Denny Rodgers, from Inuvik.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

Speaker's RulingMembers, before we go on to the next item on the agenda, I would like to provide my ruling on the point of order that was raised yesterday by the Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee . Ms. Lee rose on a point of order, following comments made by the honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger , in his Member's statement. While she did not indicate the appropriate rule, or identify the offending comment specifically, your Chair, in reviewing the unedited Hansard, has determined Ms. Lee 's point to be that the Member for Thebacha had contravened Rule 23(

j) by suggesting she had uttered a deliberate falsehood. I quote the Member for Range Lake , from page 1174 of the unedited Hansard, "The Member of Thebacha is suggesting, somehow, that I am speaking a falsehood, or that I am somehow suggesting that he is not being a good Member, or that I am saying things that are not true."

In order to provide the context for Ms. Lee 's point of order, your Chair will need to quote from Mr. Miltenberger 's statement, from page 1173 of the unedited Hansard. I quote, "The Member for Range Lake made reference to an e-mail that I sent to the executive director of the day care that is currently experiencing some trouble. It wasn't addressed to her. She imputed some

interpretation to that e-mail that is grossly incorrect. Referencing e-mails that weren't sent to the individual, and misinterpreting them, is not appropriate. I think it creates a false impression that is far from the truth."

To provide further context to the matter, I will now refer to the concluding portion of the Member for Range Lake's statement, and I quote from page 1166 of the unedited Hansard, "I can also tell you that I received an e-mail from Minister Miltenberger on this issue, that basically states that what I say here, or what we say, is completely irrelevant."

Your Chair is of the opinion that this is a case where, in the absence of any other factors, the House is prepared to accept two views of the same matter. In essence, there are two truths, and they are largely a matter of

interpretation. Therefore, I rule that Ms. Lee does not have a point of order. In addition, I propose that this House take a further step to prevent this type of issue from being raised. I know our rules state that Members should refrain from citing documents that are not before the House, unless they are prepared to table them. In this case, the document in question was tabled later in the

day. In the future, your Chair, and the House, I am sure, would appreciate it if Members would refrain from citing from documents until they are tabled and, even then, I caution Members to be very careful in their

interpretation and characterizations. In fact, I would encourage all Members to quote directly from the document, rather than attempting to summarize and paraphrase passages.

Before I conclude, I feel compelled to share some thoughts with you. In past rulings, I have cautioned Members to remain respectful of each other, regardless of their opposing views, but I'm sure that it has not done much good. Over the course of the past two weeks, your Chair has noticed an alarming number of instances, on both sides of the House, where Members have shown a complete lack of respect for each other and our institution. Members' statements have been used as vehicles to debate with one another and fire verbal volleys at each other.

The language being used and, more importantly, the tone of the language being used, both in statements and in question period, is often disrespectful and inciteful.

I would like to remind Members, with all due respect to other parliaments in the Commonwealth, we are not a partisan politics political institution. Our consensus system of government demands more from each of us in our dealings with each other, both inside and outside the Chamber.

I would also like to note that the conduct of Members and the heckling that occurred at the time Ms. Lee was trying to articulate her point of order was extremely troubling. It is the duty of the Chair to decide whether there are points of order, and I would appreciate complete silence when Members have risen on points of order or points of privilege. You owe this much to your colleagues and to the Chair.

Members, when bringing a point of order to the attention of the Chair, a Member should first state that he or she has a point of order, and then wait for the Chair to recognize you to state your point of order. I also remind you that in rising on a point of order, a Member should clearly and concisely state the point of order and cite the rule or practice that has been infringed upon. It is not the time for explanation or for the purpose of clarifying something said. That will come later when the Member being complained of is called to explain or, if the Chair permits, debate on the point. Thank you for your attention, Members.

---Applause

Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, from time to time, I have occasion to visit the Public Works and Services warehouse out in Frame Lake South where obsolete and unwanted pieces of government equipment and furniture end up. Recently, Mr. Speaker, when I was out there, I had an occasion to see these very large, nice cabinets that were the cast-offs of the Prince of Wales museum.

They used to use them as display cabinets in the Prince of Wales museum, but, of course, with the multimillions of dollar that have been spent on the Prince of Wales museum lately, they don't need these anymore and they ended up at the warehouse. So I saw them there and I tried to intercept them for our poor, struggling, fledgling little museum in Hay River. Kindly, the Minister of ECE did speak to Public Works and Services and said please do give them to the Hay River museum. The Hay River museum wants them; however, I have not been able to get them to Hay River.

I would just like to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , in view of the very huge budget that has been expended on the museum here in Yellowknife, would he find in his heart to find $1,433 to have these six cabinets taken to Hay River for our museum? That is the quote from Matco transport. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will do my best to see if we can help the Member out with that request.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, thank you very much. My questions today are for the Minister of Transportation , with respect to the ferry services in general, Mr. Speaker. I know that the reasons for converting all the contracts over to the private sector was to get local involvement, to benefit the communities, and to get local workers. Now that this situation in Simpson is resolved to some satisfaction, particularly to the residents, and I can say, for the record, that everybody is extremely pleased that we're getting supplies and much needed gasoline back into Fort Simpson, but this raises the question of what we are going to do about the ferry services in general for the long term, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the next several months, we will be taking a look at how we handle the ferry services. The issue over the Liard River ferry disruption was of concern to us. We'll also be looking at what the federal legislation allows us to do, and consider what we may be able to do. I think it's come to a point where we have to consider whether or not privatization of the services is something we're going to have to do. Is it new legislation that's required? I think we have to look at all the issues around it and make some decisions if those are required. Thank you.

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Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I know those are hard questions that the government's

going to have to ask and, hopefully, get them resolved before the next shipping season. I guess the next question is, is the government going to be looking at contracting out the Liard ferry service for next year, or is it too soon for the Minister to answer? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, right now, we're looking at trying to finish the season and have the resupply done for the community. We fully expect to continue operating the Liard ferry with our own forces throughout the next season, also. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I guess the one other question I would like to get some resolution around is, is the Cabinet going to be looking at all the ferry services throughout the NWT, like the Louis Cardinal, Johnny Berens, and Abraham Francis? Will that all be included in their consideration? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are actually quite happy in the situation we're in to allow for the resupply of fuel and other services to the communities of Fort Simpson and Wrigley. We will look at all the issues around this service, and the disruption, and all the issues that arose from this incident. It's too early to say whether we will review all the ferries. That may be something that we'll consider in the future, but, right now, we are still focused on the Liard River ferry service. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Premier . I questioned the Minister of Public Works and Services , at length the other day, in regard to sole-sourced contracts, and, specifically, a contract for office space in the community of Fort Simpson. Going back to Hansard of last week, when the Premier was answering some questions from my colleague from Hay River South, he was quoted as saying that people would be dealt with with serious consequences, were the words that the Premier used.

This was in relation to the Keyscarp contracts that went on sole source with the departments of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources and, later, RWED for seven years. That's what the context of that was. Here we have a situation that took place in Fort Simpson recently where office space was sole sourced. I want to know who made the decision to sole source that office space, and will they be dealt with severely. Did Cabinet know about that decision? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, it's my understanding that the decision on sole sourcing that contract was made by Public Works and Services and that it was within the policy. So there is no other recourse to be taken now. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Premier , if they delegate the authority to sole source these contracts, do they also delegate the responsibility to deal with it when it comes up on the floor of this Assembly? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister responsible will deal with the issues around any sole-sourcing of contracts in this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned in my Member's statement, I'm quite sceptical that this type of activity doesn't take place government-wide. I'd like to ask the Premier if he'd examine sole source contracts and negotiated contracts. The government spends $60 million a year in a non-competitive fashion. I'd like them to have a look at this. Examine where those dollars are going out, especially on contracts that continue year after year after year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, first of all, I personally don't have time to look at every contract that we issue as a government. We do look at the policy and the delegation and how that performs. Mr. Speaker, every year we table a contract registry which is available and Members can have a look at it, as well. It is available to all Members. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to get some assurance from the Premier . I'd like to ask him, given the fact that we have this audit that's come up from the former departments that I mentioned a minute ago, the current ITI department, we have this audit in place that clearly shows that contract administration was not followed for seven years. Seven years, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Premier to have a look at this. Does the Premier agree that we should investigate this further, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Mr. Speaker, the review, the audit that was done that the Member refers to goes back a number of years. Since that time, there have been measures instituted. We have a contract registry now. The Minister responsible for the department is certainly having a good look at that report. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my Member's statement today spoke about the problems that some seniors and disabled people on fixed incomes are faced with when they are trying to maintain their homes. I suggested the government may want to consider a portable training program that could help homeowners look after their houses, using the Aurora College's housing maintainer program, as well as trades. So would the housing Minister consider instructing his department to look at the delivery of such a program? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will definitely look at that. I mentioned in my statement the other day, we have the school program in Hay River, Fort Providence and Fort Smith through the college program. By developing a curriculum into the schools and offering the students the opportunity to construct these units, I think we already have a process in place and we should implement more of those programs into the communities. That is the goal I would like to meet. There is that proposal out there, and I think if we get more of the program taken up by other communities to do that through their education boards or councils, I think we can deliver those programs in other communities.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The housing maintainers truly are the backbone and backstop to the public housing out there to make sure that they're maintained well. Mr. Speaker, in communities that don't have contractors who can maintain furnaces, who can install windows, et cetera, those citizens have trouble, especially the seniors and disabled on fixed income. I would consider this a new backbone program created through a trailer training program that could go from region to region, including Yellowknife.

So specifically to a trailer training program in concert with possibly the Aurora College housing maintainer program, would the Minister specifically look at instructing his department to look at the development of a program of that nature? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again I will commit to look at that. I do have to work in conjunction with my colleague from the Department of Education, Culture and Employment because we are talking about colleges and curriculum, and I think it's important that we do a joint effort here with regard to establishing such a program.

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Question 274-15(4): Aboriginal Languages

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement earlier today, I spoke about the government making aboriginal languages its priority. A question to ECE would be, will the Minister please tell this Assembly, if aboriginal languages are, indeed, the priority of this government, Mr. Speaker, why is there no scope, or sequence, to support the language curriculum for aboriginal language instructors? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can say that we now require some accountability in the aboriginal language and culture funding from each of the education authorities, so we have outlined for them the kind of programming and support that we think they can use and still qualify for the funding. So we're expecting that in each region the activities will be different, but we have outlined, for the schools, what is acceptable. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, given the urgency for language revitalization, can the Minister tell this Assembly when this necessary resource will be actually put into the hands of those teachers who desperately need it? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have a lot of programs underway that are aiming at building aboriginal language, including programs aimed at family literacy, and we work with the schools. The teaching and learning centres in each region are expected to develop the materials to support the teachers in the classroom, and that work should be done on an ongoing basis. I would expect that some of the materials are available now. If they're not all available immediately, it should happen within the next little while.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, the Minister touched on various programs that are being delivered in the regions and also in the North. I'd like to touch on the ALCP program, Aboriginal Language and Culture Program. Can the Minister explain to this Assembly why the aboriginal language and culture program curriculum is still the same curriculum that was introduced upon its inception sometime in the late '80s or 1990s? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to discuss that with the college because they would be the ones who establish the curriculum for the college-level courses. It is a program that is delivered by Aurora College. My expectation would be that it is still the same basic curriculum, because the program outcomes are expected to be the same no matter where the program is delivered. The specifics in each region would be different, because each region's language and culture are different. So the teachers teaching it in those regions are supposed to reflect that in the manner in which the program is taught. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, considering that aboriginal language and culture is the department's first priority, can the Minister provide this Assembly a time frame in which this review will, or can, be completed so that the appropriate action can be taken to deliver this program? Mahsi.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a meeting scheduled with the chair of the college within the next few weeks. I will endeavour to discuss this issue with the chair and, right after that, get back to the Member.

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Question 275-15(4): Mackenzie Valley Winter Road Safety Programs

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the Minister of Transportation about the maintenance and safety issues on the Mackenzie Valley winter road, specifically within the Sahtu region. Traffic is increasing on this road because of the resource development. My question to the Minister is, due to the increase of traffic, is the government, or department, increasing its resources in terms of prevention and promotion of safety on the winter roads in the Sahtu, and even into the area of enforcement? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we have been doing a lot of consultation about how we can do things better on the Mackenzie Valley winter road. Until recently, the road was designed and built in the winter seasons for re-supply and, as of late, there has been a lot of traffic on these roads as a result of exploration and oil and gas activity in the area. This year, our contracts all were at a point of expiring. We did take the time and opportunity to consult with the contractors to talk about best practices, about how we can do things better.

We also met with the people from the oil and gas industry over the summer and talked about how we can work in a better partnership relationship. We have come back with some changes of how we're going to approach this, and we think they are huge improvements. We will be looking at doing a better job at providing a base and using more water when we do the development of the base. We're also looking at enhanced maintenance if there is oil and gas activity in a certain

section of the road. There are a number of changes we're looking at, and they will be incorporated over this winter. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The length of time the road is open is decreasing because of the climate

change, and conditions need to be optimum to handle the ever-increasing traffic loads. I want to ask the Minister about the bridge program in the Sahtu with respect to the winter road and the status of the bridges in the Sahtu region. When is the last bridge going to be put in the Sahtu? When can I advise the members in the Sahtu about the last bridge? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I'm not sure if the Member is talking about ice bridges or the regular bridges. Mr. Speaker, we still have yet to put bridges across. We have eight bridges yet to construct. One of them is on the Bear River. We are anticipating that we'll have all those bridges in place by 2009. That will bring a total of 29 bridges into the Sahtu over the past few years.

We're also looking at how we can improve and build the ice bridges at a couple of areas that are causing a bottleneck. In Tulita, we need to look at a bypass in that area, and build a longer ice bridge, and work on pumping water in that area so we can build it up and have traffic crossing earlier in the season. We also are looking at improving the ice bridge along the Deline road. So there are two areas where we will see improvements this year, and they will help us extend the season by opening earlier and closing later because we will have a proper ice bridge in those areas. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. McLeod, for the two responses to the ice bridges and the construction of the Mackenzie Valley bridges program. I want to ask the Minister, the Mackenzie winter road was built in the 1970s, and it wasn't meant to take as much traffic as we see today. Often, we can't see very far because of the steep hills when you're driving, and the sharp curves. My question to the Minister is, can he please tell me if there are any plans to straighten out the Mackenzie winter road to alleviate the problems of the steepness of the hills and sharpness of the curves? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, through the strategic infrastructure funding, we've identified $40 million to the federal government, along with our territorial government investment. We know that's not going to be enough to develop and improve all the work as required on this road. We have been working on a plan called Corridors for Canada, II that we are developing and bringing forward, which identified additional resources to work on the grade work. We're hoping that will help improve visibility and safety along this road. Thank you.

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