Debates of March 2nd, 1993

This is page numbers 691 - 717 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was justice .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Member's Statement Congratulating New Tfn President And Board

Member's Statement Congratulating New Tfn Board

Fuel Subsidy Program For Senior Citizens

Member's Statement Re Apology From Canadian Armed Forces For Slaughter Of Caribou

Re-establishment Of Young Offenders' Wilderness Program

Prospecting In The Nwt

Development Of Justice Committees In The Delta Communities

Keewatin Divisional Board Of Education's Ten Year Plan

Re-evaluation Of Fuel Subsidy Program

Status Of Review Of Social Assistance System

Action To Adjust Social Assistance Rates

Policy On Grade Extensions

Food Allowance Rates For Social Services Recipients

Transport Of Housing Materials

Status Of Day Care Policy Review

Funding For Native Television Programming

Funding For Development Of Divisional Exams

Action Taken To Express Concerns Re Operation Nordic Reliance

Development Of A Day Care Policy

Continuing Power Outages In Iqaluit

All-weather Road Between Churchill And Rankin Inlet

Date Of Increase For Social Assistance Food Rates

Indexing Social Assistance Rates To Cost Of Living

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Legislative Assembly's Position On The Federal Government Cuts To The Canada-nwt Cooperation Agreement For French And Aboriginal Languages In The Nwt

Bill 20: Loan Authorization Act, 1993-94

Bill 18:

An Act To Amend The Public Printing Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

To Adopt Recommendation 13

To Adopt Recommendation 14

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. I would like to welcome a visitor in the gallery, Mr. Peter Ernerk, a former colleague and MLA.

---Applause

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Was my microphone on when I made the last statement?

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Some Hon. Members

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Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I would like to advise the House I have received the following communication from his honour, the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories. "Dear Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise I recommend to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories the passage of Bill 20, Loan Authorization Act, 1993-94 during the Third Session of the 12th Legislative Assembly. Yours truly, D.L. Norris, Commissioner."

---Applause

Now that we have everything on the record we will go on to item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudluk .

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Member's Statement Congratulating New Tfn President And Board

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak briefly regarding Nunavut. I am very happy Nunavut is progressing well. I would like to congratulate the president and the board on their recent election to the Nunavut government. I am sure they will have a great deal of work to do. We received the results this morning of the newly elected president and board. I would like to congratulate the president of TFN, Paul Quassa. I would also like to congratulate the vice president, James Eetoolook. James and Paul have been working very hard to create Nunavut.

I am very happy those two individuals won the election and I congratulate them. I would also like to congratulate the second vice president, Raymond Ningeocheak, who has been put back on the TFN board. Those three individuals have worked very hard for the creation of Nunavut. We can see that they have been re-elected and that everyone has supported them by voting for them. Because of those individuals and their hard work...

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pudluk , your allotted time has elapsed.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Pudluk .

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Member's Statement Congratulating New Tfn President And Board

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Members and Mr. Speaker. The secretary-treasurer of the TFN board is Bernadette Makpah. We all know this individual and she is a very good candidate for the position. She has worked very hard. Once again, I would like to congratulate the new TFN president and the board. I am looking forward to working with them. The MLAs will be meeting them shortly. We will work with them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Pudluk . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement Congratulating New Tfn Board

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Pudluk , the dean of the House, has made a statement. I would like to make a statement on behalf of the Nunavut caucus to congratulate the following members of the executive council of Nunavut Tungavik who were elected yesterday, Mr. Paul Quassa, president, Mr. James Eetoolook, first vice president, Mr. Raymond Ningeocheak, second vice president, and Ms. Bernadette Makpah, secretary-treasurer. These results ensure that persons from all the regions of Nunavut are represented on the executive.

I am sure all Members will join me in wishing the new Nunavut Tungavik executive every success and also in thanking all of the other 45 candidates who put their names forward for these positions. The Nunavut caucus will be seeking a meeting with the new executive at the earliest opportunity in order to discuss how we may continue working together towards a successful implementation of the Inuit land claim and Nunavut. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Zoe .

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Fuel Subsidy Program For Senior Citizens

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I would like to express my concerns regarding the administration of the fuel subsidy program for our seniors, through the Department of Social

Services. I fully support the policy of providing fuel assistance for our elders. I have a great amount of respect for the elders in our communities and, particularly, the communities which I represent. It is important this government ensure that they do not suffer hardship just trying to keep their homes warm.

However, Mr. Speaker, there are some problems with the way in which the program is being administered. There are many elders who are not being treated on an equal basis because their individual circumstances are not taken into account. Each elder, who has reached the age of 60 years, who lives in his/her own home and depends on wood or fuel for heating, may receive a wood or fuel subsidy. An elder who uses wood to heat his/her home will receive five cords of wood per year. Other elders who use fuel will receive certain amounts of oil, propane or natural gas. Mr.

Speaker, there is no consideration given to the type of home the elder lives in. Some of our elders live in higher quality homes with good insulation, and the amount of wood or fuel provided under this subsidy program is quite sufficient, but there are many elders, particularly in the western Arctic, who live in substandard accommodation. Usually these are homes that are not set up to burn fuel, they only have wood stoves, Mr. Speaker. If the home is of poor quality with poor insulation, five cords of wood per year is not adequate.

Elders in substandard homes are experiencing hardships trying to heat their homes throughout the winter. Because of their living conditions, they need more than five cords of wood simply to be on the same footing as those in better quality homes.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue with my statement.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, the Minister must re-evaluate the fuel subsidy program to ensure our elders who are already living in poor conditions are not penalized further. The fuel subsidy program must take into account the quality of the home which the elder lives in so the amount of wood provided to each elder gives the same benefit.

Mr. Speaker, these are the people who have sacrificed to raise us. They gave us our values, our tradition and our future. They deserve better treatment by our government. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, Member's statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Member's Statement Re Apology From Canadian Armed Forces For Slaughter Of Caribou

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to comment on the failure of the federal government to apologize for an incident which occurred during the Canadian Armed Forces exercise known as project Nordic Reliance. Mr. Speaker, honourable Members will recall a group of armed forces personnel, engaged in so-called survival training, came onto traditional hunting grounds within the Northwest Territories and slaughtered a number of caribou. They had not obtained proper licenses or approval. There was much evidence that they had used automatic weapons and assault style ammunition. They killed our caribou cruelly and illegally.

Mr. Speaker, aboriginal northerners have a special relationship with the animals and our land. They have nurtured the land for thousands of years and in return we value them and keep them safe. That is why the Creator put them on this earth and that is also why we are here. It offends our values and spiritual beliefs when we see such careless and unnecessary slaughter. It is an offence against what we believe in.

Unfortunately, the justice system which has been imposed upon us does not recognize the significance of that offence. In this case, Judge Bourassa gave each of the federal poachers a very light slap on the wrist when they pleaded guilty in territorial court. The federal Minister, the Honourable Kim Campbell, apparently does not understand the seriousness of the action committed by these representatives of the Canadian Armed Forces.

I was quite annoyed yesterday to learn that even though the Premier has written letters and met with the federal Minister, there has been no formal response from the Department of National Defence or the Canadian Armed Forces.

We should continue to pursue this matter, Mr. Speaker, and I accept nothing short of a complete and formal apology from Ms. Campbell and the regimental commander involved. I urge the Premier to take a forceful stand in her dealings with the federal government on this issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Patterson .

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Re-establishment Of Young Offenders' Wilderness Program

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have spoken before in this Legislature about the very successful young offenders' wilderness program which operated for several years at Mingotuq, near Iqaluit, before it was closed by the Department of Social Services.

I am pleased to inform the House that a new company, owned by Inuit, is being formed, called Atamie Family Enterprises, which proposes to re-establish this very successful program under the leadership of Lucassie and Inookie Nowdluk, camp leaders at Mingotuq.

Lucassie, Inookie and their nephew, Adamie Itorcheak, have put a great deal of effort into planning the re-establishment of this program. The prime objective will be to instill renewed interested and self-confidence in young people whose situations with their families in communities has lead to deviant behaviour. They believe the best place to start this rehabilitation is back on the land in a community setting which has not been destroyed by town living.

They propose to put the young people in touch with basic life-skills which their grandparents most likely needed when they camped on the land in spring and summer. They aim to slowly increase their sense of responsibility and feeling of confidence in their own ability to provide and hunt for the camp and neighbouring family. They plan on using a whole family approach to authority so they will experience the subtle traditional chain of command which has likely been missing for some time. Under supervision they will come to understand all aspects of camp life.

Each component of traditional life will be explained and demonstrated including hunting, igloo building, fishing, trapping and dog team handling. Each member of the staff has a life time of experience with dogs, machines and maintenance, snowmobile repair, boat handling, hunter safety and first aid. The young people will also acquire new skills in such areas as carpentry and plumbing through regular maintenance of the camp's facilities and contribute to their own safety and well-being by maintaining and improving the camp's aircraft runway, et cetera.

It is hoped that as their levels of responsibilities increase the resident young offenders in the camp will realize they are the authors of their own opportunities and their own limitations.

Mr. Speaker, I would seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The Minister of Justice has just received a proposal from the new enterprise. They are proposing to offer the camp program as an option to supplement the in-town institutional programs for young offenders offered at Ullivik and Isumaqsunngittukkuvik open and closed young offender facilities.

I am hopeful, Mr. Speaker, with the assistance of the Minister and his officials that reallocation of existing resources now spent on in-town institutional programs can result in this very worthwhile program being started up again as early as this coming fall. Qujannamiik.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Prospecting In The Nwt

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, you, Mr. Dent and myself were accosted last night by a grizzled prospector with that strange glint in his eye that often exists among those people who search for gold and diamonds. When a local person seeks out people who have a voice, they expect that voice to be expressed. We heard some concerns. If, over the next year, someone suddenly appears off the tundra having found three diamonds, three in a sense that they are floating there in the debris, that would set off a kind of movement and every drifter around the world would suddenly arrive in Yellowknife, expecting to become very rich.

This sounds a little far out and far-fetched until you think about it, because that was exactly the problem that existed in the Yukon during the gold rush. People from all over the world suddenly appeared and went into the wilderness and many of them never came back. We have such a problem with adventurers who come here, get lost and cost this government a great deal of money.

My suggestion to the government, on behalf of this grizzled prospector, is that we should do some thinking about what could happen and what kinds of requirements prospectors should have before they venture out into a very inhospitable

and difficult place for the tenderfoot to survive for any length of time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Development Of Justice Committees In The Delta Communities

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. I rise today to speak about the development of justice committees and corrections in the Delta communities. The Gwich'in Tribal Council, which includes the communities of Arctic Red River, Aklavik, Fort McPherson and Inuvik, has submitted a proposal to develop community-based justice systems. These justice committees will, over the next three years, assume the role as advisors, councillors and sometimes social workers.

Specifically, some of the duties which these committees may take on are: pre-sentencing and predisposition reports; recommendations on sentencing including diversion from the court systems; and, assisting the development of correction and incarceration methods including, but not limited to, on-the-land programs. The committees will try to seek a reconciliation of the offender with the community by making the community aware of the offender's problem, but not just limited to the crime that was committed.

To reconcile the offender's problem, offenders, victims and various community organizations must be involved prior to court proceedings. During court, the justice committee's presence will assist the judge or justice of the peace in dispensing justice in a manner that is suited to the circumstances, environment and customs of the individual and the community. If alternative methods of incarceration are ordered by the courts, the committee can also seek to organize and ensure that the offender receives proper care and counselling to ensure that a healing process starts.

The proposal submitted by the Gwich'in is a progressive one and, if implemented, will begin the process of healing the communities rather than ignoring the troubles within a community. This government has provided support for the community-based justice system by providing funding and staff assistance and by hiring personnel to assist in the development of the committee. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. I would hope this government can continue the support and try to alter a system of justice which does not seem to be suited to our northern communities. Recently, the Gwich'in Tribal Council received an informal decision that the federal government's aboriginal justice program is unable to contribute any more funds to the Gwich'in proposal. This will require this government and the Gwich'in to rework the plans for justice committees and corrections, and there will also be a greater need for this government's continuing support.

I hope this government is still committed to the concept of community-based justice and corrections, and will assist the communities in the north as much as possible to develop and implement their initiatives. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Keewatin Divisional Board Of Education's Ten Year Plan

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to commend the Keewatin divisional board of education in the completion of their ten year educational plan for the Keewatin region. The plan is thorough and lays out clear goals and objectives as well as plans of action. They have laid out what the current situation is for each of the communities and gives clear direction as to where they would like to see the schools go.

It can be seen from the plan that consultation was made with each of the communities and all relevant personnel, which means there are bound to be differences between the department and the divisional board's ten year plan, simply because it comes from the people who will be directly affected by it and the fact that it will set the government back a few dollars.

As stated in the

preamble of the document, the cost of education is not as high as the cost of ignorance. However, I cannot see how the department would disagree with its major thrust which I believe is to increase the standard of education in the Keewatin region. The direction which the Keewatin schools have already started in the area of community grade extensions has already increased the number of students attending the high school program in the community of Arviat. In these classes are students who have not otherwise received their grade 12 diplomas.

At the present time, there are schools in the Keewatin which are overcrowded because it was left up to the government to build these schools. In this plan it shows when and why each school should be expanded. In fact, I think if a divisional board of education in the Keewatin continues in the direction that they have started, the numbers which they show in the plan may be too conservative.

At this time, I would only ask that the Minister take this plan seriously and begin to take appropriate steps to ensure the plan will be given the consideration I think it is due, the first of which should be to extend the grades in Baker Lake to grade 11. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Member's statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Zoe .

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Question 390-12(3): Re-evaluation Of Fuel Subsidy Program

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Social Services . Mr. Speaker, earlier this afternoon I spoke about some of the problems with the delivery of the fuel subsidy program for our elders. I am concerned that the situation of elders, who live in substandard accommodations, is not being taken into consideration when they are given their subsidy. Is the Minister willing to re-evaluate the fuel subsidy program for seniors, taking into consideration the substandard accommodations many of our elders find themselves living in?

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Question 390-12(3): Re-evaluation Of Fuel Subsidy Program

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding Mr. Zoe 's concern, a decision paper has been drafted to modify the policy on gas and wood fuel for senior citizens. Thank you.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I have asked the Minister a specific question with regard to the subsidy program. Would she consider re-evaluating this program and take into consideration the substandard accommodation which elders live in? I understand the policy has been re-evaluated, but she did not indicate if this type of consideration was incorporated into that evaluation. Have they taken into consideration the concern which I raised today?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is recommended that cash be granted to seniors, who own their own home, which will allow them to purchase whatever fuel they utilize. Yes, those kinds of things have been considered in modifying this policy. Thank you.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, from hearing Madam Minister indicating there will be some cash payments in lieu of the actual wood being provided, would the amount of cash also reflect the substandard units? For instance, I understand they are trying to give out cash instead of the actual wood subsidy so the individual can purchase on his or her own. Is it going to be a set amount per household, or are standard and substandard accommodations going to be incorporated into the amount of cash which these individuals receive?

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Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The decision paper also contains a recommendation that an income ceiling be established for this program. Thank you.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I do not quite understand what the income ceiling would do. We are talking about standard and substandard units which our elders are living in. The amount of wood these individuals are receiving is not adequate because their units are substandard and they burn more fuel than a regular, normal house would which has standard insulation, et cetera. Most of the elders in my communities have substandard units. The current policy with this government is that they provide fuel subsidy equally across the board.

These substandard units are not being treated equally because they burn more fuel and they are not treating individual elders equally across the board. That is why I am suggesting the government review their policy so they can enhance the lives of elders who live in substandard accommodation. I am not sure if the Minister understands what I am trying to say. Is she going to change the policy to reflect the substandard units that many of our elders are living in? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier, the wood fuel policy for seniors is in the process of being modified, which is in the draft form now. Hopefully, those changes that Mr. Zoe is bringing to this House will be addressed. Thank you.

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Question 391-12(3): Status Of Review Of Social Assistance System

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Social Services . Mr. Speaker, one of the major problems with the delivery of social assistance benefits is there are too many barriers discouraging clients from seeking other sources of income that may be available from time to time. A person who makes extra money by carving or hunting is penalized by the social assistance system. I raised this issue with the former Minister on November 18, 1992. I am not asking the former Minister. Mr. Speaker, the Minister said this matter was under review and that he was hopeful of reform the system.

Could the Minister advise us as to the status of the review of the social assistance system, which was to look into ways of removing barriers to other sources of income? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice and get back to the Member.

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Question has been taken as notice. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Pudluk .

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Question 392-12(3): Action To Adjust Social Assistance Rates

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Social Services . The Minister is well aware of the concern that I share with other honourable Members about social assistance rates. On February 25, 1993, the Minister informed the House that the most recent increase to the social assistance rates was increased by five per cent in 1990. Mr. Speaker, it is now 1993. Our people are having great difficulty surviving on what they receive from the Department of Social Services.

The Minister said she was waiting for the report from the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, but this committee has already completed two interim reports which state clearly that social assistance rates are too low. Could the Minister explain why the Department of Social Services has not taken action to review and adjust the social assistance rates? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the time, when I made my response, I said there was an increase of five per cent in October 1, 1992, not 1990. On your second question, I will consult with my department and get back to the Member with the information he is requesting. Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Mr. Speaker, sometimes I have a difficult time when the Minister is taking the question as notice. Sometimes it takes more than a month to get a response. My question is quite urgent. The second interim report from the Special Committee on Health and Social Services points out the social assistance now received is not enough for them to buy healthy food. The allowance averages 60 per cent of the cost of healthy food supplied. It is rated by a 1991 food price survey. Is the Minister prepared to make a commitment to this House to increase social assistance rates that will allow clients to meet their food needs?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For this fiscal year, no. I may consider it for next fiscal year. Thank you.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Education . Three communities want to add more grades. How could we add more grades to the communities? Can the Minister of Education respond to my question?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I was not clear on the question. Could the honourable Member repeat the question?

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Mr. Pudlat , would you please clarify the question?

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make myself clear. Cape Dorset, Lake Harbour and Hall Beach would like to extend their grades. How could we look into this further?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the clarification by the honourable Member. The normal process is to work with the board of education from the Baffin region, who will identify those particular communities requiring extensions to their grades. As such, we will respond to it through the normal budget process and ensure that we provide the financial resources for the appropriate school year.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In 1985, they started extending grades in the communities and the communities had to request extensions. In 1993, are they behind in putting in their request? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure whether the board has reviewed the request for extension of grades in the communities the honourable Member has identified. I can indicate to the honourable Member that, in those communities, where the numbers of students have been identified, we are responding positively to those communities. I can say this Cabinet will respond positively and this Minister will respond where the appropriate numbers are identified, particularly if the request and support is given by the board of education from the Baffin region. You can be assured we will respond positively.

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Question 394-12(3): Food Allowance Rates For Social Services Recipients

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was very pleased to hear the Minister of Social Services state, in response to the Member for High Arctic , that she is prepared to consider dealing with the shortfall in the food rates for social assistance recipients and that, in fact, she is prepared to consider doing so for the coming fiscal year. Mr. Speaker, does this mean we can expect when the Minister presents the estimates for her department during this session that the matter of the shortfall in food allowance rates for social assistance clients will be addressed?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps I should have elaborated further. This five per cent increase was applied across the NWT, whether in Yellowknife or in Grise Fiord. There are some inequities in this regard. This five per cent increase should not have been applied to all the communities where there are differences in food prices. The department and myself will be looking into how we can apply this better and try and use the available resources. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to hear the Minister is looking at dealing with the discrepancies in the cost of living in the communities rather than by an across the board approach. Will this new approach, which should begin to deal with some of the issues raised by the Special Committee on Health and Social Services in their interim report, be reflected in the main estimates for the Department of Social Services which the Minister will be presenting to this House this session? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Had I been the Minister responsible in October, at the time the increase was placed, perhaps things would have been handled a little differently.

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I am going to try and stay within the means. The five per cent increase, which was placed in October, applies to all the communities in the NWT, which causes inequities. I will not be looking at additional resources. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I will try for the third time to get a straight answer from the honourable Minister. She has told my colleague from the High Arctic that she will consider dealing with the food allowance shortfall issue this coming fiscal year. She implied she would look at the shortfall. Now,

she has said in her response that she is going to look at dealing with it by a more equitable allocation of the five per cent increase between communities. Does this mean we will see this issue dealt with when the Minister presents her main estimates before this House this session? That is the third time I have asked this question, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not say I am prepared, as the honourable Member is stating. I said I may consider. I will get back to the Member after I review what I said in the Hansard. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, with the greatest respect to the honourable Minister, she should be cautious about raising expectations of a Member of this House. Either she is going to deal with this issue for the coming fiscal year or she is not. I do not want an answer such as, "I will get back to the honourable Member after I have reviewed Hansard." I would like to know, here and now, is the Member going to deal with this issue for the coming fiscal year in the main estimates, or not? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Recently the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation advertised an invitation to tender for the 1993 access water delivery program. One component of this tender was for the materials for 51 housing units to be delivered to Northern Transportation Company Limited, NTCL, in Hay River. Mr. Speaker, as the tender title indicates the means of transport for these housing materials is by barge. There is no consideration given for the use of truck transportation to communities with road access, both year round and winter roads.

The communities of Inuvik, Aklavik, Arctic Red River, Fort McPherson and Tuktoyaktuk are all accessible by roads. My question to the Minister of Housing is why are all of these housing packages being shipped by barge and not have the opportunity of using truck transportation?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding there is a policy which requires us to ship by NTCL to any place north of Norman Wells. This was worked out with the purchasing of NTCL. I have already stated to the Member for Nahendeh that I will look at the policy, revise it and take it to Cabinet. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

I am the Member for Inuvik and not Nahendeh. I am not aware of your discussions with him. You have mentioned there is a policy whereby this government is required to do all of their shipping by NTCL. How many years is the arrangement with NTCL in place for?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have discussed this issue with the Member for Nahendeh in this House. I had answered some questions and I thought the Member was present.

When NTCL was a federal Crown corporation, the GNWT was committed to using their services. Following the sale of the company to the Inuvialuit Development Corporation and Nunasi Corporation the government of the day, in 1986, reaffirmed that NTCL would be the carrier of choice. About the same time, Cooper Barging Service applied for operating south of Fort Good Hope, but it excluded Hay River. That means both carriers can operate in the Fort Simpson, Jean Marie River, Wrigley, Fort Norman and Norman Wells areas and any point in between. The Cooper Barging Service also has the rights to service the Liard River.

The Member for Inuvik has raised this issue and also the mayor of Fort Simpson and the Member for Nahendeh . To address their concerns the department is in the process of preparing a decision paper for Cabinet's consideration to see if a process should be taken so all barge companies have the opportunity to carry GNWT cargo with a designation for the upper Mackenzie and whether we can ship materials to Inuvik and the other communities by truck. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mr. Speaker, this invitation to tender requires material to construct 51 housing units in the western Arctic. In previous statements which the Minister made, I thought he indicated he would ensure tender packages will be broken down into smaller units to enable some of our northern businesses to compete for the tender of this business. My supplementary is, why is this tender so large?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The NWT Housing Corporation is breaking out portions of the houses, for example, the foundations, windows, cabinets and other portions of the tender, in order for people to bid on it. My understanding is that so far this year most of the tenders have been awarded to northern outfits. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

I think the Minister should read his own tenders. Is it the Minister's intention to break down future invitations to tender so smaller northern businesses can compete for a fair share of the business?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Question 396-12(3): Status Of Day Care Policy Review

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Social Services . Mr. Speaker, honourable Members will recall that in June, 1992, concerns were raised in this House regarding the discrepancy between the demand and availability of licensed day care spaces. The Minister responded to these concerns by saying we are reviewing the policy with the intention of taking it to Cabinet shortly. He further indicated he would be discussing it in the House as time allowed and that public input would be sought through a public consultation process.

Since that time a decision has been made to transfer responsibility for the day care program to the Department of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, effective April 1, 1993. Mr. Speaker, what progress has been made to date in the review and development of a day care policy?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There has been progress on the policy. In light of that, the program is being transferred to Education. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs. Mr. Speaker, communication is very important. It enhances culture and language, and promotes other important elements in our culture. There are speculations that funding for the Inuktitut TV programs are to be cut by the federal government. Mr. Speaker, many people in the NWT, of all ages, enjoy the television programs in their own native language. The significance of this cannot be over-emphasized. Could the Minister advise the House that the funding for the native television programming will not be cut during the upcoming fiscal year? Thank you.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question to the Minister of Education . I would like to know if there are funds available from the department to develop divisional examinations to upgrade or raise the standards of divisional exams in the Keewatin? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. I would like to indicate, Mr. Speaker, to the honourable Member, there are a number of considerations which are now being given to the matter of testing. Across the country we have developed what we consider is a testing assessment which the Ministers of Education have agreed to, one to be implemented on April 1, or at least beginning April 1, 1993, a math test which would give us an idea of the level of abilities our students have with

regard to math across the country and also within the Northwest Territories.

Secondly, in 1994, it is also our intention to introduce a language arts testing program. It has been indicated, Mr. Speaker, a number of times in this House, the lack of standardization of exams that exists to allow us to judge the level of education of the students from region to region, from community to community. As a result of that, we are embarking upon this national testing program. I am hoping it will give us some indication of the level of education in those two crucial areas for the students who we are responsible for educating throughout the Northwest Territories.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. I wonder if the department or Minister would be open to the regional divisional boards wanting to standardize their own testing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I would like to indicate to the honourable Member, my only major concern with the idea of each particular region developing their own standard exam is the inconsistencies which might arise from region to region. Particularly, if we are providing education under the Alberta curriculum, I think it would be in our interest and in the interest of each region to ensure there was some consistency among testing so we could transfer students from one school to the other. We could then expect the level of education or teaching which is being provided in the schools is consistent across the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, some of the programs are an extension for high school students. Arviat is a good example for the honourable Members. The students who graduated from grade 12 last year, based on the Alberta curriculum were more successful than any other students to date in that particular program. It was based on the fact that they were given the same education and wrote the same departmental exams so we knew what level of education and what qualifications they had.

Despite the fact that I am not opposed to the idea of regional examinations, my concern would be the regional examinations may not allow us to make those judgements on the level of education or teaching we are providing to the students. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to know then if the exams which the Minister is referring to will

be consistent with or equal to the exams of southern high schools.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, yes, they will be consistent and equal to those exams which are being written by grade 12 students across Alberta. We base the present educational program according to the Alberta curriculum. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

One more question, Mr. Speaker. I know that at the present time we base our curriculum on the Alberta education system, but when students come from anywhere in the territories and transfer to a southern school, quite often they will be transferred to a lower class than they were in the Northwest Territories. When these tests are completed, does the Minister or department hope when the students transfer from the north they will be able to go to a southern high school and stay at the same level that they were at in the north? Is that what he is expecting to get out of this?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, the intention is we would hope to have students who were equally educated in every community. This would enable students to transfer from high schools, or any school from kindergarten to grade 12 throughout the Northwest Territories, or to other institutions in southern Canada. It is a concern of mine and I must indicate to the honourable Member that it has been raised on a number of occasions in this House and you can be sure that I have responded and will try to ensure that we have equal education in every community throughout the Northwest Territories.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . In my Member's statement earlier today, I urged her to take a forceful approach to pursuing a formal apology for the disgraceful incident which occurred during the armed forces project Nordic Reliance. I appreciate that the Premier , by writing letters to the Honourable Kim Campbell and meeting with the Minister of DIAND, has been trying to secure some action in this regard. However, it seems that once again she has had the door shut in her face, particularly when it comes to dealing with Ms. Campbell.

Can the Premier indicate what steps she will be taking to communicate our concerns over project Nordic Reliance to the federal Minister of National Defence?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the House is in session now, but we could make a more assertive effort to take an entourage to Ottawa to sit on someone's steps to get something done. I cannot do that right now, however, I will continue to pursue that. It is my understanding that the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs will be in Yellowknife on the week of March 22. Before that, I will indicate to him that he did make a commitment to pursue, with Minister Campbell, a suitable apology for the residents of the Northwest Territories for ignoring the basic hunting regulations that everyone has to live under.

I will continue to pursue that by telephone and written correspondence. I think we can pursue a more aggressive strategy once the House is out of session. Right now we could say we will make a larger display, but we are committed to this House and it limits our ability to move and be more aggressive at this time. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recent developments in Ottawa have suggested that Canadians may be seeing Ms. Campbell in the public spotlight much more often between now and June.

---Laughter

Will the Premier agree to use the office of the press secretary to tell the rest of Canada about our dissatisfaction over her lack of response to our concerns about the Nordic Reliance operation?

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Mr. Speaker, certainly.

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Question 400-12(3): Development Of A Day Care Policy

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was disappointed to hear that the Department of Social Services has made no moves on developing a day care policy, but since responsibility for day care is moving to Education, Culture and Employment Programs in less than a month, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs. I was wondering if he could tell the House what plans have been made by his department to incorporate day care into the departmental framework and to continue to move towards initiating the development of a day care policy?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to indicate to the honourable Member that one of the concerns we have had, or at least I have had, with regard to this particular policy, is the lack of access by communities across the Northwest Territories or, for that matter, individual parents. I have asked the department to review the policies to ensure far more access than what has been the case to date.

I can indicate, as well, that I have written a letter to the Status of Women Council to meet with them to discuss the idea of making some changes in the policy and to seek their advice. I have not, to date, considered a public process other than to meet with that particular group.

I also want to indicate to the honourable Member that I will be listening to the advice of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services in this particular area or any Member who may have advice which they wish to give on improving the ability of this government to allow parents and families to access day care funding more easily.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, since December of 1991, I have been trying to get the government to develop a permanent policy on child day care. Will the Minister make a commitment to this House that this department will place a high priority on completing a comprehensive review of the day care program and develop day care policies?

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Mr. Speaker, yes.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, the Minister just noted that at this point in time no public process has been planned. This was something mentioned by previous Ministers as being part of the process. Could I ask the Minister to outline the consultation process he plans for this review, if it is to cover more than just the Status of Women Council?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I have not dealt with that particular matter at this time. I want to indicate until I have a fairly decent assessment of the reasons why the program has not been made available to those who require it,

I believe it would be premature for me to say publicly that I am prepared to proceed to the next stage. I am not clear on some of the problem areas and I have asked my department to identify those areas prior to proceeding to a public process. I say this not to create any impressions out there that there will be substantive public consultation as opposed to getting the advice of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, presently receiving some very significant contributions in terms of the concerns which people in the regions have with regard to the present policies as they are being applied.

I would suggest to the honourable Member that he give me the opportunity to review the day care policies, as they exist, and to identify those areas which we have problems with. I can assure the honourable Member I will relay those concerns to the honourable Member and to the public once I have them identified.

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Charles Dent

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was wondering if the Minister could give me a projected timetable for his internal review.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We can probably have the assessments and review completed by June and not only with regard to the policies but also the relationship to the department. Then we can proceed to the next stage which would be public consultation, advice and input on these particular matters. Again, Mr. Speaker, I would ask that if there are any concerns, either through the Special Committee on Health and Social Services or publicly where people have advice, I am most willing to hear this advice immediately so I can consider those changes to respond to needs.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think my constituents have been quite understanding over the major power outage last fall while the new generator was being installed. They were pleased to hear, around February 3, that the new generator would be on line that day. Last week they received explanations that there were continuing problems with the governor and the automatic shut-off and that senior officials would travel to Iqaluit to look at the problems first hand and deal with them. However, yesterday and again today there were more outages. They seem to occur during periods of peak use, at lunch and dinner time.

Could I ask the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, what is going on in the Iqaluit power plant? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, on March 1 at about 18:00 hours, 6:00 pm local time, power was interrupted in Iqaluit. At the time of the power failure the cat and EMD units were in operation. The Member is correct, officials and technicians are, at this point in time, evaluating the unit. The factory technician is also there. They are conducting a number of tests. At the time of the power outage, the cat unit was shut down over a temperature warning. When they did the inspection it was determined the unit was set to an inside air intake rather than an outside air intake. Mr.

Speaker, although the cat unit is water cooled, the temperature is affected by the volume and temperature of air feeding the combustion process. With warmer plant air feeding the turbo charger, a greater volume of air is required and cooler outside air is feeding the process. With the volume of air flow fixed and inside air feeding the process, the system was starved. The engine worked harder to meet the load and the system was overheated and thus shut off.

Mr. Speaker, the problem was identified, the setting was corrected and power was restored within approximately 35 minutes. Mr. Speaker, the technical people will stay in Iqaluit until the problems have been resolved, regardless of the origin of the problem. The problems could be a result of human error, technical error or the fault of the plant. Thank you.

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