Budget, Oral Questions, Public Trustee Act, Health and Social Services — 7 October 1996 (13th Assembly, 3rd Session, pp. 902–953)
1996-10-07, 13th Assembly 3rd Session, pp. 902–953
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Oct. 7th, 1996
This is page numbers 902 - 953 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was chairman .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Minister's Statement On Launch Of New Book - The Northern Circumpolar World
Minister's Statement On Opening Of New Fire Hall - Fort Providence
Minister's Statement On Contaminants In The Northwest Territories
Minister's Statement On Minister Absent From The House
Kitikmeot Boarding Home
Baffin Regional Hospital
Sealift Difficulties At Grise Fiord
Possible Amalgamation Of Transportation, Public Works, And Housing
Bhp Impact Benefit Agreements
Community Empowerment
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Status Of Baffin Regional Hospital
Plans To Expand The Kitikmeot Boarding Home
Timeframes For New Regional Hospital
Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Further Return To 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Hospital Replacement In Inuvik
Fairness And Equity In Budget Reductions
Proposed Amalgamation Discussion Paper
Further Return To 411-13(3): Proposed Amalgamation Discussion Paper
Internet Access In Small Communities
Tree Of Peace Education Funding
Consideration Of Proposed Amalgamation
Further Return To 414-13(3): Consideration Of Proposed Amalgamation
Assistance For Grise Fiord Residents
Visitor Centre Renovation - Gjoa Haven
Baffin And Inuvik Regional Hospital Funding
Update On Bhp Developments
Item 10: Petitions
Committee Report 6-13(3): Report On The Review Of The Report (1994-95) Of The Auditor General To The NWT Legislative Assembly For The Year Ended March 31, 1995
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Commitment Concerning The Recreation Centre Project In Fort Simpson
Censuring The Actions Of The Executive Council
Bill 18:
An Act To Amend The Public Trustee Act
Bill 19: Electoral Boundaries Commission Act
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole
Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Hon. James Antoine, Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 902
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Good afternoon, Members. Orders of the day, Minister's Statements. Mr. Dent .
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Minister's Statement On Launch Of New Book - The Northern Circumpolar World
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 902
Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform this House that over the noon hour today I took
part in the launch of a new book. The Northern Circumpolar World has just been published as a resource for the Grade 7 Social Studies curriculum. I have distributed copies to each of you, and hope you will take time to look through this attractive and interesting new book.
The Northern Circumpolar World tells the story of a group of students travelling around the top of the world. Through their story, the book presents information on land forms, climate, flora and fauna, history and economy. It also provides information on northern peoples and their lifestyles, the challenges they face and the links they have forged with one another. An accompanying teacher's guide has also been published.
The Northern Circumpolar World is the result of a unique partnership among author Bob MacQuarrie, Reidmore Books and the Department of Education, Culture and Employment.
Mr. MacQuarrie is uniquely qualified to write this kind of book. As a long-time northern educator, he understands the needs of students and teachers. As a former Member, and Speaker of this Assembly, he has a thorough understanding of government and circumpolar issues. Mr. MacQuarrie has already developed a civics course for northern schools.
Reidmore Books brought to the project an impressive track record of designing attractive, interesting textbooks and multi-media titles. Mr. Speaker, I would like to note that Reidmore is paying the cost of designing, printing, and distributing the book. This government will be receiving a royalty for any books sold outside the Northwest Territories.
The Department of Education, Culture and Employment initiated the project and played a continuing role throughout. The Department undertook the project in response to some concerns of NWT teachers about the Social Studies curriculum.
Although the book was designed for NWT students, it has generated a lot of interest in southern Canada, and in other countries that make up the circumpolar world. I shared copies of the publication with provincial Ministers of Education last week and they were all very impressed.
Mr. Speaker, I am confident The Northern Circumpolar World will increase people's understanding of northern Canada, and our northern neighbours. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Minister's Statement On Launch Of New Book - The Northern Circumpolar World
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 902
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank
you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .
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Minister's Statement On Opening Of New Fire Hall - Fort Providence
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 903
Manitok Thompson
Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Monday, September 30, I had the privilege of attending the opening of the new fire hall in Fort Providence along with the Honourable Sam Gargan. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the community for their warm hospitality throughout my visit. I would also like to recognize the hard work of the teachers and parents. I say this because I was very impressed by the behaviour of the students who attended the ceremony. We did not even need microphones to speak because they were so well- behaved. As an educator, I know that children learn to behave best when teachers and parents work together.
At the opening, Chief Jimmy Thom recognized all the members of the community who worked together to make the project work. Mr. Speaker, we can learn from this project because it is an excellent example of community empowerment. The fire hall was built by local contractors with local labour. The building was enhanced through local funding. The Hamlet and the Band cooperated throughout the planning and construction of the building.
I was also fortunate to attend the naming of the joint Hamlet and Band office. Mr. Speaker, as you know, the office was named after Chief Paul Lafoin. Chief Lafoin was the Chief in Providence when Treaty negotiations occurred in the 1920's. He had a vision that his people would work together to make a safe and better world for future generations and that they would take control of their future. Mr. Speaker that is community empowerment!
In closing Mr. Speaker, I was very impressed by your community. It can stand as a model for communities throughout Canada.
Thank you.
---Applause
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Minister's Statement On Opening Of New Fire Hall - Fort Providence
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 903
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you Ms. Thompson . Ministers' Statements, Mr. Ng .
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Minister's Statement On Contaminants In The Northwest Territories
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 903
Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, contaminants are an issue for use as a society. Not only whales and fish accumulate contaminants, people do as well.
The Department of Health and Social Services, in collaboration with regional health agencies, has actively participated in the federal government's Northern Contaminants Program for the Arctic Environmental Strategy since 1990.
A main focus of this activity has been to develop a baseline level of specific contaminants in the blood of mothers and their newborns, since babies may be particularly sensitive to these environmental pollutants.
This work will be completed in March 1997 for the Mackenzie, Kitikmeot, Keewatin and Baffin regions and will result in advice on how people, particularly females through childbearing years, may have to reduce their consumption of some foods like beluga and narwhal blubber.
These environmental pollutants are industrial chemicals such as PCBs, and pesticides such as DDT and toxaphene, that move into the circumpolar north in wind and water currents from elsewhere in the world.
They are long-lasting chemicals that dissolve in fat and are found in higher concentrations in marine mammal blubber because marine mammals are at the top of the food chain in the Arctic Ocean.
Results from work completed to date in the Mackenzie and Kitikmeot regions confirms that people in the North, like elsewhere, are carrying these contaminants in their bodies.
In cord blood monitoring for the Kitikmeot, 40 percent of participants had blood levels of PCBs that exceed the acceptable level according to Health Canada. In the Mackenzie, that number was 2 per cent.
Mr. Speaker, I want to assure you that even at these levels, no one is in danger.
This cord blood monitoring project includes a sample that reflects the larger population. When acceptable limits are set, it is to protect everybody and has variable meaning on an individual basis.
This is the first monitoring project in the North to give results back to the participants. Work is now under way in the Baffin and Keewatin to get a better focus on the issue.
Mr. Speaker, resources must be focused on identifying health effects from these contaminants in the very near future.
Funding for the Arctic Environmental Strategy is running out in March 1997. The federal government has assured us that DIAND is currently seeking funding to continue the Northern Contaminants Program. To date, a funding level has not been confirmed.
This will provide Northerners with appropriate information so that we can all make informed decisions about our diet.
There are many nutritional, economic and cultural benefits from a traditional diet that includes marine mammal blubber, and these are very important to remember.
The results of the cord blood monitoring study in the Kitikmeot and Mackenzie regions remind us that there is a lot more to be learned about this complex issue and that ongoing federal funding will be required.
Mr. Speaker, I would be happy to arrange a briefing for any Members who want more information on this vital issue.
Thank you.
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Minister's Statement On Contaminants In The Northwest Territories
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 904
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Ng . Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .
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Minister's Statement On Minister Absent From The House
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 904
Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House today, Tuesday and Wednesday to:
- meet with the Honourable Ronald Irwin regarding BHP in Ottawa;
- attend the funeral of the former Premier of Quebec, Mr. Robert Bourassa, on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories; and,
- attend the Arctic Contaminants Conference in Iqaluit.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement On Minister Absent From The House
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 904
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3. Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .
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Kitikmeot Boarding Home
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 904
John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on October 1, 1996, I had the privilege of attending the Kitikmeot's Leaders' Forum in Cambridge Bay.
Many of the important issues, or at least to the Kitikmeot Region, were brought at that meeting, and one of the concerns of the Kitikmeot leadership and from the Kitikmeot Health Board was the capacity of Lena Peterson, better known as Kitikmeot Boarding Home, to hold patients from the Kitikmeot Region.
Mr. Speaker, I have the information here, given to us by the Kitikmeot Health Board representative, that in January the occupancy level was about 88 percent; February, 85; March, slightly lower than 80; in April, we have 80 percent; May we have 85 percent occupancy level; June, 85; July, about 90; and August, a little bit below 80 percent. The average here, Mr. Speaker, is about 85 percent occupancy level by the Kitikmeot people staying at the Kitikmeot Boarding Home.
A number of patients, Mr. Speaker, from the Kitikmeot area have to be referred to the Rainbow Valley Boarding Home. On behalf of the people of Kitikmeot Region, I would like to thank the management of the Rainbow Valley Boarding Home. We also have a non-Kitikmeot patient occupancy level at around 20 percent overall.
Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the government if it has any plan to expand the Kitikmeot Boarding Home.
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Kitikmeot Boarding Home
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 905
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .
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Baffin Regional Hospital
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 905
Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Baffin Regional Hospital was opened in 1962 to serve the Town of Iqaluit and the Baffin Region. In this 34 year period, the facility has remained essentially unchanged since its opening. In this same 34 year period, Mr. Speaker, the population has more than doubled in the region it has to serve. All public health functions had to be located in a separate building because there was no space in the hospital. All material management functions are also located away from the facility in a converted, double-wide trailer. This is not acceptable.
As part of the 1988 Health Transfer Agreement, a cost-sharing arrangement for the replacement of the existing facility with the federal government was signed. The replacement of the Baffin Regional Hospital will be cost-shared by the territorial government and the federal government. The catchment area of the Baffin Regional Hospital is 85 percent Inuk, plus the federal government will cost-share 85 percent of this total cost.
The Inuvik Hospital was also included in the original Health Transfer Agreement with similar terms and references as the Baffin Regional Hospital, the major difference being the lower cost-shared amount because of the lower Aboriginal catchment population.
In the original agreement, an annual base of $1,000,000 was contributed to the cost of replacing the hospitals. Based on the annual base and the PL escalator, the total contribution from the federal government to the territorial government would be $9,297,000.
Mr. Speaker, over the past year, two meetings with myself and the chair of the Baffin Regional Health Board and the federal Health Minister , Mr. Dingwall, were cancelled by me because of information that these projects, the Baffin and Inuvik, were moving ahead. Recent information indicates this may not be the case. I will be questioning the territorial Minister of Health today on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Baffin Regional Hospital
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 905
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .
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Sealift Difficulties At Grise Fiord
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 905
Levi Barnabas
High Arctic
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Friday of last week I informed the house of the sealift emergency in Grise Fiord, Canada's most northern community. At that time, the Premier stated that the government would do everything possible to make sure our communities have adequate supplies for the long winter ahead. I welcome the Premier 's statement and thank him for his support.
Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise the Premier that I have been in touch with both the municipality of Grise Fiord and Arctic Co-operatives in Winnipeg to get the latest information on the situation. I will be raising some oral questions later today in order to clarify what will be done and which departments will be providing the urgently needed assistance. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Sealift Difficulties At Grise Fiord
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 905
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .
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Possible Amalgamation Of Transportation, Public Works, And Housing
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 905
Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, in the past few weeks we have been hearing from ministers and deputy ministers about the possible amalgamation of Public Works and Services, the Housing Corporation and Transportation. To date, ordinary Members have not received any details about what is planned. It is crucial that all Members of this Legislature have a chance to talk about this proposal before anything is actually set in place.
We need to consider this as a whole Legislature before we decide whether this is a good plan. We need to look at it carefully. Mr. Speaker, we need to see a plan, a blue print that lays out the amalgamation proposal. It needs to show us the implications to programs and services. It needs to show the impact on staff. More importantly, it needs to clearly show how the amalgamation will result in a more efficient department. As a caucus, we would recommend that a discussion paper on the amalgamation of Public Works and Services, the Housing Corporation and Transportation be tabled in the House during this session.
This would allow all Members to comment on the plan and would give the public a clear picture on the wheres and whys of this amalgamation.
Mr. Speaker, later today I will be following up with the Premier on the involvement of all Members in discussing this amalgamation proposal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Possible Amalgamation Of Transportation, Public Works, And Housing
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 906
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .
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Bhp Impact Benefit Agreements
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 906
Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is on the BHP Project and the Impact Benefit Agreements with the land owners, the Aboriginal people, in this area. As you all know, some time ago the federal government indicated that they would approve the development permits for BHP if there was substantial movement on Impact Benefit Agreements. Talking to the Aboriginal leadership, I understand that there is not very much being offered, Mr. Speaker. The BHP people stand to make in the order of $300-500 million per year and perhaps a lot more. The governments, federal and territorial, stand to make $100 million a year.
The Aboriginal governments will be making peanuts or will receive basically peanuts in relation to this.
The people have been working hard to try to achieve some sort of an agreement, but what they are being offered, Mr. Speaker, they cannot sell to the people. This is more than one group that I have talked to. Mr. Speaker, I believe that the federal government cannot subjectively say there has been substantial movement just because the two sides are at the table.
I also believe it is the responsibility of this particular government to ensure that IBAs are fair and equitable. I believe if there is no agreement soon then this government should press the federal government to give a few more days, a couple of months or whatever is needed so they can work out some agreement without the Minister interceding and saying yes that is it. Thank you.
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Bhp Impact Benefit Agreements
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 906
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Are there further Members' statements? Mr. Ootes .
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Community Empowerment
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 906
Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak today on the subject of community empowerment, A government initiative I am afraid I cannot wholly support at this time. It seems to me this Assembly is in a rush to complete many, major policy initiatives before division in 1999. Some processes may benefit from this urgency. Constitutional development springs to mind. Others, however, will suffer if they are implemented prematurely and in a rush. I believe community empowerment falls into that category.
Mr. Speaker, I do not see how we can build local governments, second levels of government, in other words, when we are in the process of defining the shape and scope of our first level of government; that is, the territorial government. Nor do I see how we can negotiate funding transfers to communities when we do not know how much money we have to give. Our fiscal picture speaks for itself.
Furthermore, how can we develop jobs and infrastructure that we may not have after April 1, 1999. I fear that what we give in one year we may be forced to take back in the next. I feel we want to take the time to work on a good recipe for building partnerships between local and central governments. The principle of community empowerment, that is, local control has been the cornerstone of northern politics for decades, and I support that principle fully and completely. However, I believe our current approach to rush this initiative on community empowerment may create more problems than it will solve.
We cannot, in good faith, devote hard to local authorities until we know what we have to give and how much money we have to support our initiatives. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Community Empowerment
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 907
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Item 4. Returns to oral questions. Mr. Ng .
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Return To Question 390-13(3): Negotiations With The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 907
Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an Oral Question asked by Mr. Krutko on October 2, with respect to status of funding from the Tl'oondih Healing Society. The director of Community Health Programs and the addictions consultant met with the Chairperson of the Gwich'in Healing Society August 15, 1996. The results from these discussions were that the department had agreed to fund the Tl'oondih Healing Society, at a level of $300,000 for the 96/97 fiscal year. Departmental representatives also advised the chairperson that clients who met specific criteria could be funded under the Extended Health Care Benefits Program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Return To Question 390-13(3): Negotiations With The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 907
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 907
Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the gallery is a constituent from Kugluktuk, Donna Satenia, who is a high school teacher. She is also the regional president of the NWT Teachers' Association and a member of their negotiating team. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
-- applause
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 907
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the
gallery. Mr. Arlooktoo .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 908
Goo Arlooktoo
Baffin South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Mr. Charlie Manning. Mr. Manning is a two term mayor of Cape Dorset who negotiated one of the better known community transfer deals, and now runs my constituency office in Cape Dorset.
--Applause
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 908
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Aaron Blair who is also a member of the NWTTA Executive and a member of their bargaining team, and is a resident of Iqaluit.
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The Speaker
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Pat Thomas, President of the Teachers' Union, and a former teacher of mine.
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Question 404-13(3): Status Of Baffin Regional Hospital
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said in my Member's statement, my first question is for the Minister of Health . What is the status of the hospitals for the Inuvik and the Baffin regions? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the status is that negotiations between the Government of the Northwest Territories and the federal government continue to finalize a financial arrangement in respect to financing both hospitals in Inuvik and Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Baffin Hospital has the highest occupancy rate in the Northwest Territories and has not been improved since 1962. Does the Minister have any indication when these negotiations, which have been going on since 1987/88, will be finally concluded? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the negotiations for the financing of these two hospital projects have not been going on since 1987/88. It has been as of the last year that they have been going on. I am expecting that we can wrap up, hopefully, an interim agreement within the next few months and proceed from there Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I stand corrected. Can the Minister inform this House how much money has been transferred to the territorial government since 1987/88, and the original MOU by the federal government since the original transfer agreement was signed for the Baffin and Inuvik hospitals, including the PL escalator?
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there has been approximately $8 million transferred, and it works out to approximately $11 million with the PL escalator to date, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is this $8 million that was transferred from the federal government to the Territorial government available and ready to be used for the construction of said hospitals? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no. As I have indicated to this House before, the money has gone into the General Consolidated Revenue Fund of the Government of the Northwest Territories and remains in there.
Thank you.
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Question 405-13(3): Plans To Expand The Kitikmeot Boarding Home
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated earlier in my Member's statement regarding the capacity of the Kitikmeot Boarding Home to fulfil the demand from the region, I also indicated the occupancy is about 85% throughout the year. Over and above that, some patients are referred to the Kitikmeot Rainbow Valley Boarding Home. Over and above that also, we get non-Kitikmeot patients staying at the Kitikmeot Boarding Home. Mr. Chairman, I think that in itself justified the demand from the Kitikmeot leadership. My question is to the Honourable Minister of Health and Social Services .
Does the Minister have any plan in the near future to expand the capacity of the Kitikmeot Boarding Home? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have not had any requests from the Kitikmeot Health Board at this stage to look at expanding the facilities, so I can say no, at this time, I am unaware of any plans to facilitate any expansion, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you Mr. Speaker. Given the statistics that I provided to the Minister, will the Honourable Minister seriously look at the possibility of expanding the Kitikmeot Boarding Home? Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I recognize it is a heavily utilized facility; however, I would have to wait and see exactly what kind of statistics are confirmed and whether or not the people of Kitikmeot, through their health board, request any expansion. But, at the same time, Mr. Speaker, I would like to advise the Honourable Member that we are in limited financial means and it would have to be fully justified as a long- term cost effective way of dealing with our health issues before we finalize any plans to expand these facilities. Mr. Speaker, thank you.
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John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Honourable Minister. The statistic I provided to the Honourable Minister is we have about 85 per cent average usage of the government boarding home. We have about 20 per cent non-Kitikmeot patients staying at the Kitikmeot Boarding Home. Over and above that, some patients from Kitikmeot are referred to the Rainbow Valley Boarding Home. I thank the Rainbow Valley Boarding Home for providing the services. Mr. Speaker, will the Honourable Minister now communicate with the Kitikmeot Health Board? Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have no hesitancy in contacting the Kitikmeot Health Board to try to discuss with them the options and see if there are any problems and try to work out a solution that would be acceptable to
everybody.
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Question 406-13(3): Timeframes For New Regional Hospital
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Levi Barnabas
High Arctic
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Health a question. I would like to know if the Baffin Regional Hospital will be finished on the date it was supposed to be?
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot give a date on when I would expect the health facility in Iqaluit, or in Inuvik for that matter, to be completed. I mean, it will depend largely upon finalizing the financing agreement with the federal government and secondly, and more importantly, finding the financial means within our government to proceed with these major capital projects, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Levi Barnabas
High Arctic
I would like to ask another question to the Minister of Health . Can the Minister table an agreement that was signed to build the hospital in Inuvik and Baffin Regional Hospital?
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would say that I will check to see if we could do that and if that were the case, I would. Otherwise I would be willing to let the Honourable Member see what agreement is in place, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Levi Barnabas
High Arctic
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Picco had stated earlier that $8 million had been set aside for the hospital in the Inuvik and Baffin Region. I would like to have this reviewed. Can you state exactly where this money will be used, particularly to the construction of those hospitals. Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated before, there have been pre-payments from the federal government that have been paid to the Government of the Northwest Territories. The funds have been put into the General Consolidated Revenue Fund of this government and consumed in addressing the program needs of this government. Thank you.
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Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Right Honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Kelvin Ng . As you quoted in your statement earlier, there were negotiations with the Gwich'in where there was $300,000 given. But the motion which was passed in the House in Committee of the Whole clearly states that the Tl'oondih Healing Society negotiate in an effort to provide core funding to the Society on the same level as provided to other institutions. That is what the motion says.
The $300,000 that you mentioned is for non-insured health benefits so the program is delivered for status and Inuit people. The $300,000, compared to other institutions such as Delta House which received $634,000 and out of that $500,000 is wages, does not seem too fair when it comes
to $300,000 to implement programs on behalf of status and Inuit people. Another comparison is Northern Addictions and Services which receives over $1 million, salaries alone were $761,000. On top of that, the operation costs, they received funds to deliver programs on the number of people that they have in their institutions. The problem that we have with the Tl'oondih Healing program is that without core funding we cannot compete on the same basis as these other institutions which are privately funded with help of over $1 million a piece.
For $300,000 to deliver a program in our facility works out to about $75 a bed night which is costing the Tl'oondih Healing Society almost $280 a night. So we are losing over $120 per bed. If we had core funding we would be able to compete and maintain that. So my question to the Minister is, will the Minister reconsider looking at the issue, considering years-as any other healing program, alcohol program in the Northwest Territories which has funding fully allocated for the whole year which consists of core funding to be treated on the basis as everyone else? I am talking core funding, Mr. Minister.
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Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 911
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Again just to remind the Members, when you are addressing the Ministers you can use the term the Honourable Minister but not the Right Honourable, which is only a title referred to when you address the Prime Minister, or former Prime Ministers for that matter. Mr. Ng , Minister of Health and Social Services .
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Page 911
Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again I would like to congratulate the Tl'oondih and the Gwich'in for establishing the Tl'oondih treatment facility. I have stated in the past in this House that, unfortunately, it is not one of the healing centres or alcohol and drug treatment centres that has been financed by this government-rightly or wrongly. Our focus has been to try to support the institutions that we have financed at 100 per cent. Having said that Mr.
Speaker, I think we have gone out of our way to try and assist the Tl'oondih camp in trying to support them in their initiatives which we feel are very beneficial. But one of the problems we have, Mr. Speaker, is the fact that we are trying to move away from core funding of all facilities. We are trying to move towards a per diem to make them more effective and make them more competitive in trying to establish a program so that individuals can feel that they are getting value for dollar.
Providing core funding to Tl'oondih at this time would be contrary to our initiatives in trying to move away from core funding towards a per diem type financing Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Page 911
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 911
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question to the Minister is, if you are trying to get away from the whole idea of core funding and you want to basically use a per diem basis, why are you not treating Tl'oondih Healing Society on the same basis, to receive a little bit of core funding, and receive a little bit of dollars to deliver on a per capita breakdown for each night? The problem that we have with the system is that you are giving one group core funding and you are also giving them funding for a bed, yet you are giving the Tl'oondih Healing Society $300,000 to administer a program without core funding.
So would you consider looking at bringing all treatment facilities under the same playing field, under the same rules?
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated
just previously, Tl'oondih is not a facility that was established by this government, so the fact of us core funding them to compete with our own facilities would be detrimental. And I think because of the fact we are moving away from core funding, that at this time it would not be warranted to try to work on an arrangement in that area, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Mr. Krutko , supplementary.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, supplementary being for the Minister. Maybe he can tell the 30-odd people that must be laid off, the shut down of this facility would probably be another statistic in the Mackenzie Delta, which is the lowest in regards to unemployed people in the whole western territory. What do you intend to tell those people, in regards to their jobs? You are paying a facility, another institution, in the range of $761,000, yet there is a possibility of 30 people here being unemployed.
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Samuel Gargan
What was your question then, Mr. Krutko .
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
What is the Minister going to do in regards to the possibility of 30 people which will be unemployed if this facility is shut down, compared to the other facilities who receive core funding, wages of $761,000 which would that cost be on to this government?
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Just for clarification, the question is difficult to respond to because the Minister does not know what would happen to 30 people that are being laid off.
It is hypothetical, but I would like to ask the Minister if he would like to respond since a portion of the funding is coming from his department.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker I would say it would be a regrettable situation and I would sympathize with the employees. Unfortunately I do not know what the cost would be to this government at this time or layoff of 30 people from the Tl'oondih operations, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister reconsider looking at this issue in regards to the possibility of creating jobs and also keeping jobs in the area of the Mackenzie Delta, which is twice the average of the rest of Canada. Will the Minister consider re-looking at this issue in regards to the possibility of that?
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not prepared to look at the specific issue of the Tl'oondih funding at this time. However, I would qualify that by saying that we are, in our business plan, coming forward to the House, at a later date, looking at the whole area of alcohol and drug treatment programs throughout the Northwest Territories and how they are funded. I think there will be some drastic changes in the way that these facilities are funded in the future, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 913
Kevin O'Brien
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for POL. I would like to know the present status regarding privatizing POL. Thank you.
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Page 913
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. The Minister responsible for Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .
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Goo Arlooktoo
Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, as the House will recall, the Cabinet requested Public Works and Services to start the process of privatization of our petroleum products division. The Department, along with the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development issued an Expressions of Interest advertisement this summer.
The responses to those advertisements are being analyzed right now, along with a number of studies, and we are awaiting the results.
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Samuel Gargan
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Kevin O'Brien
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure if it is appropriate to ask this question now or not. The Minister can advise me.
There have been a number of comments and concerns regarding price control. How do you expect or plan to deal with this as far as the price will raise to the point where it will be unacceptable for the average resident? Thank you.
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Goo Arlooktoo
Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, the issue of price regulation was one identified by the Cabinet as a concern immediately, and we had a study started. That review has been done and is being analyzed right now.
The options for price regulation, whether it is a public utilities-type operation or others, will be given to Cabinet, I believe before Christmas, and Cabinet will make a decision then.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .
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Question 409-13(3): Hospital Replacement In Inuvik
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 913
Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services .
Following on a few questions he had earlier to do with the replacement of the hospital in Inuvik and also, according to my information, the renovation of the Baffin hospital, have there been any further agreements other than the one signed 1988 with the federal government on the hospital?
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Samuel Gargan
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, subsequent to the transfer of Health to the Government of the Northwest Territories from the federal government, there was an amendment made, to my understanding, to the transfer agreement that allowed for a new replacement facility for Iqaluit, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister make available to the MLAs affected, a copy of that agreement? Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I had indicated to a previous question, I would certainly be able to let the honourable Members that were interested in looking at this agreement have that opportunity, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .
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Question 410-13(3): Fairness And Equity In Budget Reductions
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 914
Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance .
I would like to ask the Minister a question in regards to the issue of fairness and equity which has been echoed around the Assembly here in this Chamber. With the upcoming business planning process, how does the Minister of Finance anticipate that fairness and equity will be brought about and co-ordinated so that at the end of the day we do not have to be revisiting this issue and gnashing our teeth and various other things to let our constituents know that things did not work out the way we had anticipated? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is always difficult when we talk about fairness and equity in a time when are working through restraint and in fact we are cutting rather than adding.
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Samuel Gargan
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A supplementary to the Minister of Finance , who, if he decides not to run for re-election, will do a fine job as a salesman I am sure.
Could the Minister elaborate a bit on what "every effort" means and maybe that will help substantiate a bit the optimism that you feel about being able to do these good things? I am a little unclear. Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Well, let me say that it would be fair to say that we have done an analysis of where the cuts have taken in the first round, in this last year. Remember we took over $100,000,000 out of the system this last year and we are going to take about another $100,000,000 plus this coming year. I think it is important to say that to the public so they can all hear it. We are trying to do it in a fair and reasonable way, and it is a very difficult task, particularly with this Assembly since 1968, it has never had to do this kind of exercise.
We have never had to take or reduce the kinds of expectations that the public has the way in which we are doing it now. I think that is the first thing in terms of general comment.
The second thing is it has been fairly clear based upon the discussions we have had with standing committees, and as I say the recent debates, that we must carefully examine where we next look towards these cuts. If you remember that we did negotiate between the ordinary Members and ourselves, a two year approach to it so they get both education, health, etc., two years to make the right moves and to manage if you want, a way out of this difficult situation. And I think that is what we are endeavouring to do, and we are very much aware of where the cuts came last round. It is clear. I have it on my desk.
And we intend to ensure that there will be a continuation of expanding the cuts to everybody across the framework to ensure that there is not one particular group, or one particular community that is penalized more than another. With respect to the further deficit reduction strategy that we are moving on in these final 12 months of excruciating pain. Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary to the Minister is once again, even though he may not have it at his fingertips, do you have a bit more detail? I am well aware of the intent and the process that we envision as we move down this road of excruciating pain, as the Minister of Finance indicates.
My question is, based on the fact that it took us about a month, some of us ordinary Members, just to get an idea of the cuts and where they had been for the first round of a process that we can be coordinated so that as we move down the business plan or process in October, we can monitor this and then make adjustments as we go as opposed to finding out at the end of the day that, gosh darn, there are a few gaps still here, which would be totally unacceptable to those of us who have already made major contributions to the war effort. Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Golly gee. I know, Mr. Speaker, I want to ensure my Honourable Colleague that I think that when we provide them with the business plans late next week, that it will be in sufficient detail. Because I think that is what we are talking here. They will provide him with the comfort that is necessary to show that the continuing deficit elimination strategy is a fair and equitable one. I think that is what my Honourable colleague is talking about. The extent of the detail, I have reviewed most of it and we will be providing it to the committees later on next week, I believe. I am fairly confident that it will be there.
It also does provide, as my Honourable colleague knows, the committees with an opportunity to give us advice and recommendations as to where we should make some adjustments, and we are perfectly willing and able to do that provided they all make sense, and are, as my colleague says, fair and reasonable across the board. Thank you.
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Question 411-13(3): Proposed Amalgamation Discussion Paper
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier regarding the amalgamation, or proposed amalgamation, of Transportation, Public Works and Services, and the Housing Corporation.
As the Premier knows, there is strong interest among ordinary Members to review the plan for this amalgamation, prior to any activity actually taking place to make it happen. Will the Premier be tabling a discussion paper on this proposed amalgamation in the House during this current session? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is also extreme interest for Cabinet to review such a plan but it has not come to cabinet as of yet, so we have not had that opportunity to review our plan and the amalgamation of Transportation, Housing Corporation and DPW. Once Cabinet has had the opportunity to review our work plan, then we will have no problem tabling it in the House or working it out with Members and whatever committee it goes to as well.
It will be an open and public debate, I am hoping, but I would doubt -I think this session here is going to be over next week sometime, or whatever, or the week after, I do not know if it will be done by that time to get here, so as soon as it is we will make it available for Members once Cabinet approves it. Thank you.
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Premier 's response and I am quite sure that the ordinary Members will appreciate looking at that. Can the Premier give his assurance then that the document will be tabled prior to any implementation of the program? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would not want to make unilateral decisions without consulting with ordinary Members of this Assembly, and we have already agreed on a process of papers or change in government direction or what we are doing, to come through Cabinet, then go through the appropriate committees and then come to the House, so I would not want to change that process without consulting with all of the Members in this Assembly. So once we have done that, we will move one with it. Thank you.
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Question 412-13(3): Internet Access In Small Communities
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James Rabesca
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Speaker, prior to our last session, the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment announced that the GMD would be calling for request for proposal regarding internet access for the communities in the Territories. Some of you may be aware that NorthwesTel has taken the subsidy off the internet calls being placed outside of major centres. This means that if a person in a smaller community wants to go on the internet, they must pay the full long distance rate.
This can get very expensive when you consider that the internet is one of the cheapest forms of communication in all parts of North America. My question to the Minister is, could he inform the House as to the state of this proposal?
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Financial Management Board Secretariat is actually taking the lead in assessing the bids that have come in on the request for proposal that went out earlier this year. That has closed and I understand that an assessment of the proposals is under way and I am sure we will hear some announcement in the not too distant future from the Minister responsible for the FMB as to a recommendation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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James Rabesca
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Yes, Mr. Speaker. Has the
department received any proposal? If so, when could he start seeing this internet across the Northwest Territories?
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Charles Dent
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I understand it, there were three responses to the RFP. As I said, I do not know yet whether there are any results to the assessment on the RFP, and would expect that we should have some announcement on that fairly soon. We had hoped that we would be able to see a start within the course of the next 12 months or so, should one of the proposals be acceptable. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 413-13(3): Tree Of Peace Education Funding
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, and it is on the subject of the Tree of Peace Education Funding. Last week I made a statement in the House in regard to this good organization and the fine work that it is doing in our community and throughout the North. I attended the Annual Assembly of the Tree of Peace Friendship Centre and issues were raised during that meeting that I would like to bring to the attention of the Minister.
The delegates to the Assembly adopted a resolution asking the Minister to investigate what they perceive as funding practices that discriminate against the centre's adult education programme. Basically, they are asking why some adult education students get funding in other programs, while people in their program do not. I made a few phone calls and discovered this issue is not as cut and dried as it appears, and I guess I would like to ask the Minister to explain the policy in funding adult education students. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, adult basic education has never been supported by the Student Financial Assistance Program, so in the past there has never been any financial support provided to the students by this government who have been taking programs in adult basic education. In the past, Human Resources Development Canada had provided training allowances for adult learners. As I understand the changes in their program though, these training allowances are no longer being offered.
I suspect that what the Member is perhaps hearing about is the $10.00 per day incentive which has been allowed to participants of the program investing in people, or the northern skills development program. This was a $10.00 per day incentive which was provided to social assistance recipients who were taking these programs which were set up on a "cost-shared" basis originally two years ago between this government and the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
I appreciate the explanation from the Minister and I may get back to that particular question. I have some others that I would like to deal with, with regard to the Tree of Peace funding. I am told that since 1971 the Territorial Government provided money to the Tree of Peace for rent, to rent classroom space for its adult education program. This funding has now been stopped, and I wonder if the Minister can tell me why the funding was cut off?
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first off, I would like to concur with the Member in his assessment of the programs offered by the Tree of Peace. I think the Department has been very supportive of the Tree of Peace because we see the programs as being effective, and I would point out that in spite of the fact that over the course of the last two years support by this government for adult basic education has been reduced by 25 per cent as a result of the fiscal climate that we are in. It was not until this fiscal year that the Tree of Peace saw any reduction to their funding.
The core funding has only been reduced by 5 per cent and the Member is right, they have now also been forced to look for rental space. The rental space has become a problem because this government adopted a position that we could no longer undertake charity leases and any lease that was undertaken as a charity had to be underwritten with the dollars being transferred from one department to Public Works and Services who were the lease holders. So it would have meant a substantial increase in the budget in order to maintain the sort of contribution that had been given to the Tree of Peace.
We would like to emphasize that the cuts to that organization are certainly not as large as what has been felt across the Territories, in a reduction to what is available for adult basic education. As I said, over the past two years we have had to reduce our budget by 25 per cent in the adult basic education field. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Yes, again I want to thank the Minister for that explanation. My area of concern is that our cuts were initially aimed at administration and management programs. This seems to be a very important front line program. I wonder, because of that, if the Minister could have another look at this particular program to see if he could re-assess, certainly the rent area, seems to me, to be an extremely important area so that the Tree of Peace can have money for holding classroom sessions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the magnitude of the cuts that we have had to take in Education, Culture and Employment have meant that we have gone way past administration for cuts. We are talking about cuts across the board for programs. We are talking about things like increasing the teacher/pupil ratio so that students in school are going to have to work in classrooms that have gotten much larger. The Member will have heard me in this House being questioned by other Members who have asked why there is no adult basic education being offered in their communities.
We at this point in time only offer core-funded programs in 35 of all of our communities in the Northwest Territories and cannot afford to expand them at a time when the funding is being reduced by 25 per cent.
Earlier this year, in recognition of the special problem that the Tree of Peace found, because they were told that they were not going to get the charity lease at the last minute, and did not have a chance to go out and look for space, we were able to assist the Tree of Peace to the tune of some $6,000 to help them get through the last half of the school year in space, but, at that time, I warned the Executive Director of the Tree of Peace that there would not be an opportunity to continue that kind of funding.
We have tried to provide as much advance notice to groups like the Tree of Peace that the funding would be reduced in order to give them the best opportunity to search out alternatives, so I guess the answer to the Member's question is, I am afraid I do not have any extra money.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I sympathize with the Minister we do not have the money, and I understand that. Yet I am torn about many issues, and one of course is that we do have a terrible graduation rate out of schools in the Northwest Territories, and I think we have to keep that in mind. We therefore, because of this terrible graduation rate, need also concentrate on the adult education. I wonder if the Minister could work on that program to see what can be done to concentrate on the adult education programs. He himself has stated we do not have it in all communities in the Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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