Debates of June 4th, 2008

This is page numbers 857 to 898 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was positions .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 51-16(2) Tele-Care Health Line 4th Anniversary

Minister’s Statement 52-16(2) Update On Actions Associated With Managing This Land Initiative

Law Bursary Program For Aboriginal Students

Elimination Of Business Incentive Policy

Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

Canadian Environment Week And National Wildlife Week

Elimination Of Business Incentive Policy

Reduction Of Court Workers In Nunakput

50th Anniversary Of Sir John Franklin High School

Issues Affecting NWT Seniors

Emergency Dental Care In Small Communities

Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Question 251-16(2) Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

Question 252-16(2) Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

Question 253-16(2) Elimination Of Business Incentive Policy

Question 254-16(2) Business Incentive Policy

Question 255-16(2) Law Bursary Program For Aboriginal Students

Question 256-16(2) Emergency Dental Services In Small Communities

Question 257-16(2) Utility And Housing Subsidies For Seniors

Question 258-16(2) Funding For Community Justice Programs And Services

Question 259-16(2) Business Incentive Policy

Question 260-16(2) Closure Of Liard Highway

Question 261-16(2) Housing Maintenance And Utility Programs For Seniors

Question 262-16(2) Senate Committee On Energy, Environment And Natural Resources

Question 17-16(2) Employees Affected By 2008–2009 Budget Reductions

Bill 11

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Bill 10

An Act To Amend The Pharmacy Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Health And Social Services

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:33 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon,

colleagues. Welcome back to the House. Orders of the Day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable

Minister responsible for Health and

Social Services, Ms. Lee .

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Minister’s Statement 51-16(2) Tele-Care Health Line 4th Anniversary

Ministers’ Statements

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May

18, 2008, marks the four-year anniversary of the Tele-Care Health Line service. This 24-7 telephone service provides family health and support information to the residents of the NWT through the Tele-Care Health Line call centre.

The volume of calls through this service has steadily increased in four years, from 4,019 in 2004–2005 to 5,923 in 2007–2008. A total of 20,374 calls have been received since the service first began. As a result, we can statistically assume that 5,417 individuals have participated in self-care activities that may have reduced the pressure on our health centres and emergency departments.

The service name is undergoing change — from Tele-Care to Tele-Care Health Line to, eventually, Health Line. The service is also undergoing changes. A new smoking-cessation line will be the third enhancement to the service beginning this September, following the addition of sexually transmitted infection and poison control information added last year.

An addictions line has also been included in the resource database at the call centre. Callers can be transferred to a community counselling program. Residential school survivors can call the Tele-Care Health Line, and they will be referred to a wellness worker on the addictions line.

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to thank the people on the Tele-Care Health Line advisory committee for their hard work in contributing to the promotion and marketing of the Tele-Care Health Line service.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable

Minister Mr. Bob McLeod , Chair of Managing This Land Strategic Initiative Committee.

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Minister’s Statement 52-16(2) Update On Actions Associated With Managing This Land Initiative

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I would like to

take the opportunity today as the lead Minister to provide an update on actions associated with the Managing This Land Strategic Initiative.

The Managing This Land initiative is one of five strategic initiatives that form the backbone of our government’s plan to advance the priorities of the 16th Assembly and advance us toward our vision

and goals. The actions planned under this initiative are: continue to develop governance, protect territorial water, work to mitigate and adapt to climate change impacts, improve environmental monitoring efforts, and environmental stewardship.

To effectively manage the land, a top priority must be to gain responsibility for the management of land and resources in the Northwest Territories through a devolution agreement with the federal government. We all agree that Northerners should be making decisions about northern resources.

While significant progress has been made on an agreement-in-principle, the structure of the current offer for devolution has a number of issues that we need to resolve before it can be finalized. For example, the resource-sharing component of the agreement has to provide capacity to address the impacts of resource development; capacity to make necessary investments in infrastructure, geosciences and research to facilitate further development; and it has to provide adequate financial resources to carry out the devolved responsibilities both now and in the future. The agreement cannot be structured to provide a disincentive for further development by limiting our

ability to benefit from the development of NWT resources.

The action to continue to advance governance also focuses on our government’s commitment to finalize and implement land, resource and self-government agreements. Completing these agreements is an important part of our priorities and is a major component in achieving our goal of a strong and independent North built on partnerships.

A major activity within this initiative is the development of a government land-use framework during 2008–09. There is considerable development activity and conservation initiatives currently taking place in the Northwest Territories, and decisions made today will shape the NWT economy and society for generations to come.

The land-use framework will serve as a guidance document to facilitate consistency in decision making by the GNWT in land-management activities. The framework will identify overall territorial land interests, specific territorial interests in key processes and mechanisms related to land management, and provide strategic direction with respect to advancing and asserting those interests. It will be critical to work with our partners in land management as we define our territorial land interests and clarify our roles and priorities.

Mr. Speaker, the land-use framework will need to align with the NWT water strategy that is a central component of the action to protect territorial water. Protecting our water is a significant priority for the 16th Legislative Assembly. Pressures on the

quantity and quality of water resources both within our territory and in surrounding jurisdictions continue to increase, and as a result, the NWT must play a greater leadership role with regard to water-management issues and influencing future management actions.

The development of the water strategy will help identify the actions that need to be taken to properly manage the water resources of the territory and will provide guidance for negotiations on transboundary water-management issues. In addition to this work we are making investments in 2008–09 to improve and upgrade community water-supply systems and provide additional training and support for water treatment–plant operators.

This government is also making significant investments as part of our action to mitigate and adapt to climate change impacts. The planned joint committee on climate change will play an important role in advising on our activities in this area in support of this Assembly’s priorities. Alternative energy projects such as wind energy, mini-hydro developments and further use of wood pellets and solar energy are all being advanced.

While also in support of our cost-of-living initiative, there are further activities being pursued by this government to support energy efficiency and conservation. The Ministers’ Energy Coordinating Committee supports the implementation of energy-related actions by the government and is an important component of this initiative’s actions.

An important component to mitigating the impacts of climate change is research to better understand and assess the effects of climate change on NWT transportation systems and community infrastructure. This research will help us to protect existing infrastructure assets, maintain transportation service levels and direct infrastructure needs into the future.

It has been said that if you don’t measure, you cannot manage. The action on improving environmental monitoring will support efforts to monitor the impacts of development on our environment and wildlife. Support for ecoregion mapping will provide a foundation to identify areas for protection and will help guide economic resource activities while ensuring minimal impacts to forest and wildlife resources.

The Western NWT Biophysical Study helps ensure availability of baseline data necessary to assess, mitigate and monitor the environmental impacts of proposed developments and focuses on wildlife, wildlife habitat, forests and air quality.

Investments are also being made to support caribou studies and provide further support to our caribou-management strategy as part of the environmental stewardship action. Further work in this area will include expansion of the waste-recovery program, and consultations have already started on other products that should be included in this successful recycling program. Our plans for this action also include completing and implementing the Species at Risk Act, and work will be undertaken to develop a Wildlife act.

Finally, as lead Minister for the Managing This Land initiative, I recognize the complexity and challenges in the area of land management and the environment. We believe the balancing required for the actions in this initiative are critical as we work together to achieve our long-term vision and goals.

I would also like to thank my Cabinet colleagues who are members of the Managing This Land committee: the Hon. Floyd Roland , Premier ; the Hon. Michael Miltenberger; and the Hon. Michael McLeod . I look forward to our ongoing work with this important initiative.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3,

Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Law Bursary Program For Aboriginal Students

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last

week during the review of the Main Estimates for the Department of Justice we discussed the government’s plan to eliminate the law bursary program for aboriginal students.

Mr. Speaker, the department’s reasoning for the reductions centred on the reality that very few of the students who had received the bursary returned to the North to work after completing law school and that the department would not be able to guarantee articling positions and summer employment opportunities.

I’m aware that the Standing Committee on Social Programs accepted at face value and reluctantly supported the department in phasing out the law bursaries for aboriginal students. Since then, Mr. Speaker, I’ve been contacted by one of the recipients of the bursary, who raised some interesting issues with me that indicate there may be more to the story than the department has indicated. My constituent pointed out to me that upon receiving the bursary, he was promised communication with the Department of Justice as to summer employment and articling opportunities.

As he put it: “I went eight months without hearing from them. They just tossed money at me. I do not know if they are even looking for lawyers in the NWT government. On the other hand, I know that the Saskatchewan, Yukon, Nunavut, Ontario, British Columbia and Alberta governments are looking for lawyers, because they advertise on my school’s web site.”

So it appears, Mr. Speaker, that one reason the program was unsuccessful in encouraging bursary recipients to

article and practise law with the GNWT was the apparent total lack of effort in keeping lines of communication open with their bursary students.

Mr. Speaker, I’m also concerned with the lack of effort put forward by the Government of the Northwest Territories to recruit law graduates to the North. If other small jurisdictions like Nunavut and the Yukon can make this effort, and obviously have available articling and employment opportunities available to law school graduates, I have to wonder why we don’t.

There are many examples of programs in government that have failed because a department’s priority has changed, and this may have been what happened with the law bursary program for aboriginal students. It is apparent that the department may have, through its own inattention, contributed to the lack of law bursary

recipients returning to the North. Mr. Speaker, I believe this is a shame, and I will have further questions for the Minister of Justice at the appropriate time today. I am particularly concerned about my constituent, who is an aboriginal law bursary recipient now just in his second year. By pulling this out, what other opportunities will he have to continue in law and graduate and come back to work in his home territory?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The

honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Elimination Of Business Incentive Policy

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like today

to speak to yesterday’s statement from Minister McLeod, Chair of the Ministerial Subcommittee on Infrastructure. While I agree with the Minister that we face significant challenges in the GNWT capital planning and delivery process, I was dismayed to hear the Minister state that, and I quote, “Some of the more important changes we’ll be implementing are....” What struck me when I heard those words was the finality of the statement. The Minister is advising the House and the public that changes will happen, that the decisions have been made and the GNWT is moving forward, full steam ahead.

For me, it’s not a matter of the substance of the changes. Changes are needed, and at first glance the proposals are good ones. I’m saddened by a public announcement from the government, yet again, about actions of which Regular Members are not fully aware. As I’ve stated before, maybe my naïveté is showing, but I’d hoped that the subcommittee would have advised Regular Members of the changes they were about to announce before the announcement.

The Minister will respond, correctly, that Members were advised of the intentions of the Ministerial Subcommittee on Infrastructure in April of this year. We were, Mr. Speaker, but I for one didn’t perceive the changes mentioned in that briefing as a done deal. In fact, one slide from the briefing states, and I quote, “Consider suspending the BIP.” I presumed, obviously wrongly, that Regular Members would have an opportunity to comment on the final proposals before they were set in stone and announced.

As well, the letter from the Standing Committee on Priorities and Planning to Minister McLeod following his presentation stated, quote, “Please advise us of the next steps to be taken and when we can expect a follow-up discussion.” There was no reply to that request that I’m aware of.

Mr.

McLeod said yesterday that the Business

Incentive Policy will be eliminated, new options developed and implementation plans set, and then Regular Members will be advised as to how the

plan will be put in place. Where in this scenario is the opportunity for us to comment on the proposed options and implementation? That’s assuming that we even agree on the options.

This side of the House represents many diverse communities, and we have excellent, wide-ranging ideas and suggestions in regard to the removal of BIP. I know with certainty there’s no agreement over here with the ministerial subcommittee’s statement that BIP should be cancelled altogether. I spoke in a global sense about communication disorders last week, Mr. Speaker, but maybe we have a communication problem here in the 16th Assembly. Did the Minister expect a response from Regular Members to his briefing?

Mr.

Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to

conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Did the Minister expect a response

from Regular Members to his briefing? Did the Members not hear the request for a response if there was one? Why do we seem to have such difficulty understanding each other? Where is the notice from the Minister that was requested in our letter?

Yesterday’s announcement to me is, unfortunately, another example of the high-handed attitude of this Cabinet. They seem to have little regard for the input of Regular Members, as evidenced by their actions.

All I want is a chance to hear, and comment on, what the government is going to do, before my constituents do.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms.

Bisaro. The

honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Elimination Of Business Incentive Policy

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would

like to speak to the statement made by the Minister of ITI yesterday, and it’s more in line with the Business Incentive Policy that has been established since 1984.

A lot has happened since then in the Northwest Territories and in North America. More apparent is the North American Free Trade Agreement — better known as NAFTA — which was negotiated between Canada and the United States in regard to free trade. Also, as part of that agreement there were exemptions allowed for jurisdictions in Canada that would have been grandfathered — programs we’ve established in the Northwest Territories by way of the Business Incentive Policy,

the negotiating contracting policies, sole-source contracting policies and other policies this government has implemented to benefit northern businesses and also the residents of the Northwest Territories. We have to realize that by making these changes we may lose more than we gain by losing that exemption, which, again, I feel is very valuable.

Since then we have negotiated land-claim agreements with First Nations government, in which they have negotiated a

section called the Economic Measures section, which clearly identifies that those negotiations took place under the emphasis of these economic policies this government had in place when those negotiations were happening.

Again, Mr.

Speaker, this government has an

obligation to negotiate with those aboriginal organizations and make them aware of any economic development programs and services they offer. If they’re going to alter any of those programs, they have to consult with those affected aboriginal organizations that have those agreements in their land claims.

I know there’s an opportunity here to revisit and refocus and look again at our policies and make sure they are working, and where they’re working and where they’re not. These policies may have helped a lot of businesses in the larger centres, but we’re struggling in our communities with the small business construction companies that are struggling to compete against the contractors in the larger regional centres. We have to look at that item.

With that, I will have questions for Minister on this matter later.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Krutko. The

honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I

would like to talk about municipal services and infrastructure needs in smaller communities like Fort Resolution and Lutselk’e.

Those of us in the larger centres enjoy many municipal conveniences that we take for granted. In smaller communities, like Fort Resolution and Lutselk’e, municipal services are limited. For example, in larger centres paved roads and concrete sidewalks make it easier to get around. In many small communities there is no pavement, no sidewalks. What there is, is mud and dust. With dust there come health concerns, especially for the elders. This is a real concern, because in smaller communities many elders move about daily.

In larger centres residents have a real sense of security with the presence of RCMP. On the other hand, in many small communities coverage is a concern. A local detachment is almost always overburdened with calls. In larger centres the RCMP can response within minutes. However, in communities like Lutselk’e and Fort Resolution calls made after hours are rerouted to Yellowknife to the Yellowknife detachment, and this contributes directly to a delay in response. The RCMP in small communities is doing the best they can, but with limited resources they are handcuffed.

Residents in larger centres enjoy the luxury of long showers or doing laundry two or three times a week. In smaller communities this is not a luxury but, rather, a restriction, especially for larger households. Water is trucked in once or twice a day and has to be rationed as well as checked daily to see if there’s enough. The same goes for sewage disposal. If the tank is full, the water pump is disengaged, and there is no longer water available.

We all know the benefits of physical activity and keeping in shape. In larger communities residents have a variety of sport and recreation facilities to choose from. In smaller communities this is not so. Many communities do not have an arena, do not have a swimming pool or even an outdoor basketball court. Many youth and residents don’t get a chance to participate in sports or join in positive activities if they happen to live in small communities.

I’ll have questions for the Minister of MACA during questions. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The

honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Canadian Environment Week And National Wildlife Week

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I would like to wish

everyone a happy Canadian Environment Week.

June 1 to June 7 is Canadian Environment Week. Here in Yellowknife it coincides with National Wildlife Week. There are a variety of events being held around the city to promote sustainable environmental decision making and to celebrate wildlife.

Today is National Clean Air Day. It marks the middle of Canadian Environment Week. I’m sure a lot of us walked to work today. The home-grown organization Ecology North’s Transportation Issues Committee invites you to promote clean air and healthy, active transportation options with a one-hour bicycle tour of the diamond capital’s crown jewel: the beautiful Frame Lake Trail. To participate, please meet at the Yellowknife 1 Education District office parking lot, on the corner of

Franklin and 53rd , at 5:15 p.m. The group will cycle

to the Co-op and back, checking out the trees and birds and, also, trouble spots along the way. The Ecology North Youth Club will be participating in the bike ride and would love to have you join them.

National Wildlife Week this year focuses on pollinators. Environment and Natural Resources is hosting school group activities and displays at the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre. Displays are open to the public from 3:30 to 5 p.m. daily. Check it out and learn about the crucial role of pollinators in our daily lives.

Let’s celebrate Environment Week by taking some positive action to appreciate and protect our natural environment.

As part of the continuing series of workshops on local food production and composting held by Ecology North, there also will be an evening workshop on how to build your own backyard composter. This free workshop will be held at the Ecology North office, next to the Tree of Peace Friendship Centre, on Thursday, June 12, from 7 to 9 p.m.

Looking at the bigger picture, on Monday the Quebec and Ontario Cabinets held an historic joint meeting to discuss a cap and trade system for regulating greenhouse gas emissions. Incredibly, the federal Environment Minister publicly opposed these provinces that are setting their own agenda. Clearly, provincial and territorial jurisdictions must be leaders on this issue and show the progressive response our public is demanding.

Mr.

Speaker, the need to understand the

environment and to respectfully ensure its well-being must become an integral part of all our activities — from the education of our youth through the delivery of health services and transportation infrastructure.

To all the people of the Northwest Territories: Happy Canadian Environment Week. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Bromley. The

honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Elimination Of Business Incentive Policy

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d

like to speak about the government’s intentions in regard to the Business Incentive Policy, and I thank Ms. Bisaro for her statement earlier today.

Since its inception there have been numerous debates, motions and discussions surrounding the Business Incentive Policy in this House. I listened to Minister Michael McLeod ’s statement yesterday,

where he suggested that the government’s intention is to scrap the BIP from GNWT contracts.

This is something the government cannot simply cut. This action would have far-reaching impact on all of our communities. I am surprised — well, then again, maybe not that surprised — that Cabinet would reference it in a Minister’s statement before having had a full discussion with Regular Members.

It is nice that the government proposes to advise us on the revised approach and its implementation. However, at that stage of the game what meaningful input could we really have into the process? I get a really uneasy feeling that it will be much like other government initiatives, where Regular Members will continue to be just an afterthought in the government’s overall plans.

If the government does follow through on scrapping the BIP, have they given any consideration as to what will happen to existing businesses and their future in our communities? I can’t help but think that given the hot economy in Western Canada and the lower operating costs, businesses would simply relocate to Alberta. Instead of having an office or a warehouse here in the Northwest Territories employing 20 people, they might just need one employee with a phone number and a BlackBerry.

If anything, Mr. Speaker, we need to improve and enhance the BIP. We need to ensure that truly 100-per-cent-northern–owned businesses are able to have an advantage, and let’s be realistic. It does cost more to do business here. The money we do spend stays here in the North, and we protect the 100-per-cent-northern–owned businesses that we do have.

As a government we have to do more monitoring and take the guesswork out of who is northern and who isn’t. I don’t want to see us lose more companies, people and economic opportunities to the south. We have to protect our own. If we don’t, who will?

I certainly look forward to asking questions of the Minister of ITI at the appropriate time. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Ramsay. The

honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Reduction Of Court Workers In Nunakput

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ve made

it clear that I do not support the cuts in the Justice programs in my home community of Tuktoyaktuk.

Mr.

Speaker, I know what happens in my

community. I know the amount of work the court worker does for the people of Tuktoyaktuk every day. Unlike the bureaucrats in the courthouse, I

don’t need the government report that tracks the number of applications received and processed to tell me what goes on at the community level. I’m sure it’s easy when they establish a person’s worth to the Justice system by the number of transactions they’re involved in.

Access to justice and the legal aid programs for those people of Tuk should be right and not looked at as statistics to justify reducing programs and services.

Mr. Speaker, the Tuk Justice Committee has a difficult time hiring permanent employees because of the low wages they’re able to offer using available funding for the Community Justice committees from the Department of Justice. Without dedicated staff it’s virtually impossible for a Community Justice committee to properly prepare, administrate and report on any local justice initiative they apply the contribution funding for. Mind you, that doesn’t matter anyway, Mr. Speaker, because the department cut most of the contribution funding.

If we allow these cuts to proceed, I can tell you how justice will be administered in Tuktoyaktuk and in Nunakput. The court party will come into the communities and the court worker will be travelling with the court party. The court worker will take legal aid applications for the next time court comes into town. There will be an increase in the number of no-shows, because there’s no one to remind them to appear. Courts will be forced to make circuits into Tuk, meaning that more gas and more electricity will be wasted keeping the plane warm on the tarmac so they can get back to Inuvik to watch the latest episode of

Lost

If anything, Mr. Speaker, we should be increasing the amount of money spent on local justice and legal aid in the smaller communities. Sadly, this government has chosen the opposite approach in order to satisfy the financial bottom line.

Mr.

Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to

conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Reduction Of Court Workers In Nunakput

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

A real government would be more

concerned about the real bottom line: the health and the well-being of northern residents.

Later today I’ll have questions for the Minister of Justice about this.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Jacobson. The

honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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50th Anniversary Of Sir John Franklin High School

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During

the week of August 1 to 3 École Sir John Franklin High School will be hosting a homecoming in celebration of 50 years of service to Yellowknife and the Northwest Territories.

Sir John Franklin High School and Akaitcho Hall opened and settled into their annual routines in 1958 and quickly became an important part of our life in Yellowknife and the Northwest Territories.

In 1962–63 both needed to be expanded in order to accommodate unexpected demand. After Yellowknife was declared the capital of the NWT in 1967, another major expansion was required in order to address the increase in the number of students. In 1981 the Northern Arts and Cultural Centre and its 300 seats took over the original gymnasium. In 1982 the school began welcoming international students under the AFS banner and has been hosting eight students every year since then. In 1994 Akaitcho Hall officially closed as more schools were constructed in smaller communities throughout the North.

In 1999, after 40 years, the school went through a major renovation, which incorporated modern technology and made it a state-of-the-art education facility.

Plans are well underway for a weekend celebration. It’s an opportunity to reminisce and catch up with everyone and anyone who has had a connection with Sir John Franklin High School since 1958, including teachers, staff and students — including a number of MLAs who have gone through this Assembly, both current and previous — and friends. Technically, this isn’t a reunion of graduates but, rather, a celebration of education, and everyone is welcome.

The celebration will kick off with a meet-and-greet on Friday, August 1, 2008, starting at 7 p.m. It will be followed by musical presentations by current and past alumni and a dinner and dance during the evening of August 2. To wrap things up, there will be an afternoon picnic on Sunday, August 3, at Fred Henne, complete with water sports, campfires and plenty of sharing of history and memories.

Tickets are available for the homecoming through YK1 Board Office, École Sir John Franklin High School, Weaver and Devore, Overlander Sports, JJ Hobbies, and committee members themselves. To get more information and get involved, contact the committee at [email protected] or visit their web site at www.sirjohn50.com. As a graduate of École Sir John Franklin High School 19 years ago, I encourage all alumni and those connected to the school to come out and share in the memories.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The

honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Issues Affecting NWT Seniors

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Independent, self-reliant individuals

are a goal of the 16th Assembly. I’d like to speak

today about a group of people who continue to try to be independent and self-reliant but are sometimes overlooked by us. The group of people I’m speaking about is the seniors of the Northwest Territories. Most seniors have paid their dues and contributed to the rich fabric of the Northwest Territories. It’s time we as a society paid them the respect they deserve.

We get calls from seniors back home. They face many issues. A lot of them are trying to get by on a fixed income. The cost of living goes up and their income stays the same. Seniors also deserve to feel safe in the supposed security of their own homes. They shouldn’t have to worry about being kept awake by constant partying and noise going on around them.

Mr. Speaker, a lot of seniors still own their own homes, and they try to maintain their own home, but it’s becoming too expensive with all the utility rates going up for them to continue to stay there. Like I said, they’re on a fixed income. This has caused a lot of seniors to do something they don’t want to do: move out of their homes and go into public housing, where they’re guaranteed that if they’re over 60, they’ll get free rent. I think a lot of them don’t want to do that, but they’re almost forced into that situation.

It causes me a lot of concern, Mr. Speaker, when I see able-bodied young people continue to live off the government while seniors struggle to get by. In this government we do try to assist seniors as much as we can, which is a good thing. However, there’s more we can do to ensure that seniors know we are listening to them. Seniors have contributed and still contribute to the Northwest Territories. I’d encourage young people to sit down and chat with them. They have much history to share. It would also give an opportunity to the young people to truly appreciate what they have today, by listening to the stories of hard times the seniors had to go through. I would encourage that.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. The

honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Emergency Dental Care In Small Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was

very pleased to have the Minister of Health and

Social Services, the Hon. Sandy Lee , accompany me on a tour of my constituency May 4 to May 7. I appreciate her going with me to hear first-hand the concerns the residents of Nahendeh have with the NWT Health and Social Services system.

One of the concerns that was brought up several times in our travels, Mr. Speaker, was the lack of emergency dental care in that community. When the residents I represent get a toothache they are expected to wait for the next time the dentist comes to town. The current guidelines state that persons can travel to other communities for dental care only in emergencies. I’m not sure how emergency is defined. Does the tooth have to be broken, or does there have to be an obvious abscess? If I had a bad toothache and the nurse was only giving me Tylenol 3 and I was expected to wait a couple of weeks for a dentist to come, I would certainly classify that as an emergency.

In Yellowknife and a couple of the other larger centres if you have a toothache you can get to see a dentist the same day. Some of the dental clinics even have after-hours and on-call dentists you can call in an emergency.

Mr. Speaker, people are suffering needlessly. It’s a pretty simple solution to allow people with dental emergencies in Nahendeh to travel to Hay River or to Yellowknife. The nurses or CHRs in the community can make a determination of how much pain a person is in and balance that need against how long they will have to wait for a dentist to come to the community. To allow people to suffer needlessly because they live in smaller communities is not right. The department needs to develop or improve the policies that address this issue. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The

honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Safer

Communities and Neighbourhoods Act was a groundbreaking initiative brought forward during the 15th Assembly in an attempt to deal with the drug

trafficking and crimes devastating our communities. Although the SCAN bill died an unfair death, the problems it was meant to address still continue. Law-abiding citizens continue to be intimidated by crack dealers and bootleggers in their neighbourhoods and are frustrated by the inability of the police to shut down these operations, not to mention the time it takes to do that. With drug houses next to our schools, our seniors’ homes, et cetera, the days of it being a spectator sport needs to end. It’s time this government creates laws and

enforcement tools that finally push back on this problem.

Mr. Speaker, the saying “taking back our streets” is certainly not new, but it deserves the recognition that this government needs to support that. Meanwhile, other jurisdictions, such as the Yukon, have had significant success using SCAN-type legislation that allows the authorities to close these drug and crack houses down and stop the other illegal activities that continue to destroy our communities.

Mr.

Speaker, SCAN was a leap forward in

protecting our citizens. It should come as no surprise to this government, to this House — to anyone — that for everyday people their quality of life is being stepped on, and they’re being taken advantage of. This government’s job, principally, is to protect its citizens and to ensure they are safe. But the image out there is that the government’s more worried about those creating illegal activity than those who are trying to live everyday, law-abiding lives. Mr.

Speaker, the Northwest

Territories as a whole would benefit from a Safer Communities and Neighbourhoods Act. I would encourage the Minister of Justice to bring forward a bill at the earliest opportunity to finally put our citizens first.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 4,

returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased

to recognize my youngest daughter, Janesta, who is down visiting for a couple of days. Welcome to the Assembly.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I’d like to recognize a former resident

of the Northwest Territories, Denise Lockett, who is here in the gallery with a bright orange jacket up there. You can’t miss her. Welcome, Denise.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

I’d like to recognize a constituent of

mine, Roy Courtoreille, regional vice

- president for

the UNW, in the gallery.

If we missed anyone else in the gallery today, welcome to the Chamber. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 251-16(2) Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my

Member’s statement today I spoke about the need for the SCAN legislation to be returned in some form or another. As far as I’m concerned, our law-abiding citizens’ quality of life is still put in jeopardy.

My question for the Minister of Justice is: what is his plan in regard to potentially bringing back this bill, bringing it back to life to ensure that our citizens’ quality of life is protected?

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Question 251-16(2) Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister of Justice ,

Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 251-16(2) Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The

quality of life and the safety of the Northwest Territories as a whole is a top priority not only for the Department of Justice but also for the Government of the Northwest Territories. Yes, I will be introducing the legislation to this Assembly during the life of this Assembly. Mahsi.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Those are excellent words. I’m really

appreciative of the fact that this Minister is willing to lead this initiative, although it has had some bumps and grinds on the way. The fact is that it’s an important element of protection. When can we expect something like this to happen?

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Question 251-16(2) Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

I would like to propose

this legislation to this Assembly during the life of this Assembly, taking into account that there needs to be consultation with the Members. It also has to be a made-in-the-North model, not just something that came from the south and changed to our name. I want to meet the needs of the 33 communities we serve. As long as it meets their standards and our standards, we’ll be satisfied.

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Question 251-16(2) Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I appreciate that answer. I respect

that. We certainly want to be very inclusive on specific legislation like this, because it’s very important to us. When can I expect that type of communication and consultation to come out to the general public?

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Question 251-16(2) Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

As the Members are

aware, this legislation was brought forward in the 15th Assembly. There was some consultation that

took place. Our plan as a department is to continue with the process of dialoguing with our colleagues, the Regular Members. We were hoping to sit down this fall and start talking on this particular proposal. That’s our initial discussion.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I appreciate that. Would the Minister

commit to making sure my office is informed? I don’t sit on the Social Programs Committee, but

would he commit to keeping me informed of all steps and developments of this, whether it’s in regard to consultation with committee, the general public or other jurisdictions? Any information he can make available to me I’d appreciate.

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

I think it’s clear that the

Chair of the Social Programs Committee will be sharing that with the Members. Our office and our department are willing to do that as well with the Members who are not on the committee.

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Question 251-16(2) Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. The

honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 252-16(2) Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I

talked about municipal services infrastructure needs in small communities like Fort Resolution and Lutselk’e. I’d like to follow up with questions to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Can the Minister tell us how the department allocates money to the communities during the budgeting process?

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Question 252-16(2) Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister of Municipal

and Community Affairs, Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Question 252-16(2) Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We provide money to the communities through a number of key programs in three key areas. Those areas, of course, are operations and maintenance, community/public infrastructure, and water and sewer services. Eighty per cent of our budget in Municipal and Community Affairs flows to the communities. On top of that, we also have a number of federal programs that we have joint, co-management agreements with. That is the gas tax program, and we’re still working on the Building Canada Fund, of course. That comes in at around $82 million that we provide to the communities on an annual basis.

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Question 252-16(2) Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Does the department have a long-

term plan to improve standards in smaller communities during the budgeting process?

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Question 252-16(2) Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Historically, a number of

governments have worked on improving the standard of living in the communities and the programs to the community governments. I can recall being involved in a committee in the 15th Assembly, the Committee on Non-Tax-Based Community Affairs, and we made several recommendations at that time. Whenever we work with the communities to develop formulas, we take into consideration the unique circumstances that face, especially, the smaller communities. Our O&M formulas include the northern cost index. We have a commitment to review programs on a five-year

basis. We certainly take into consideration the special needs of communities.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I thank the Minister for part of the

response. I was looking to see if they actually have a physical long-term plan that Municipal and Community Affairs works out with municipalities. I’m asking the question: does the Minister have a long-term plan for the communities?

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Question 252-16(2) Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

As I indicated earlier, we

do have reviews built into most of our formula funding and most of our program-delivery funding that require us to review the allocation dollars. We have more recently embarked on an initiative to have all communities provide us with long-term sustainability plans. These include a number of different areas where they would provide us with information on their capital needs. For example, rather than us as a government providing a five-year infrastructure plan, the communities would compile theirs, including how they plan to finance it. Energy plans are part of that. Capacity-building plans are also part of that.

It’s a more comprehensive approach than we’ve taken historically, and most of the communities have embarked on it. A number of communities have completed portions of it. A number of communities, for the most

part in the capital area, have identified their priorities, and we continue to work toward getting all the communities done.

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Question 252-16(2) Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Final

supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 252-16(2) Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Will the Minister agree to have his

department do a comprehensive evaluation of programs and services, the budgeting process and infrastructure needs in small communities?

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Question 252-16(2) Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

I think we’ve been doing

quite a bit of that over the last couple of years as we have undertaken the New Deal initiative. We would certainly be happy to share our information with the Member. If there is anything he feels we’ve missed, we certainly can look at providing that information. It’s difficult to say that we would embark on another complete review of all the communities at this point. It’s something I would hesitate to do.

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Question 252-16(2) Infrastructure Needs In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Minister McLeod. The

honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 253-16(2) Elimination Of Business Incentive Policy

Oral Questions

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question

is to the Minister responsible for the Subcommittee on Infrastructure, Mr.

Michael McLeod . It’s in

relation to my statement earlier with regard to the Business Incentive Policy. More importantly, we have these policies, and we have the ability as

Northerners to receive preferential treatment on different types of contracts in the North and also to be exempt from certain federal and national implications such as free trade. There is also the trade agreement between the provinces and arrangements in land-claim agreements. I think as government we have to realize that sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. It might be that in the long run we’re looking at saving money, but the problem I see is that under the free trade agreement we have certain exemptions because we’re grandfathered with the policies we have in place.

I’d like to ask the Minister: have you looked at the legal and political implications of making these changes through NAFTA, through land-claim agreements and other agreements we have in place that give us preferential treatment?

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Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister,

Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

First of all, I’m not sure if it’s a perception that’s not quite correct out there, but there seems to be an assumption that we’ve eliminated the BIP. At this point our recommendation to Cabinet has been that we suspend a portion of the BIP and that the BIP policy will stay in place. We are recommending that a portion not apply, and that is the portion that affects the capital projects. ITI will be taking that out for further discussion. We intend to have further discussion on all our recommendations with committee, and there needs to be a further involvement from the aboriginal governments.

At this point it’s a recommendation to which we expect response. Looking at the issues regarding NAFTA and MOUs with the aboriginal governments and land-claim agreements will all be part of that.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I think that whether

tinkering with it or making major changes, we have to know what our footing is when making these changes. If there are some legal implications by making these minor changes, is that going to be perceived as an overhaul of an existing preferential policy that’s in place in the NWT? So again, have you got a legal opinion from Justice in regard to these changes, and is there a possibility we may be watering down our rights that we have by way of preferential treatment under NAFTA?

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I’m sure the

aboriginal governments would certainly let us know if they perceived this to be a watering down of their rights. Actually, I will do further exploration on it. There’s no intention to step away from any of the agreements or responsibilities. That information has yet to be compiled.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, again, I believe we do

from time to time have to look at the different

policies and procedures we have in place. If they’re not working, let’s tinker with them and try to make them work. But let’s not totally eliminate programs and services because they may not be meeting our objectives. At the end of the day the goal is to build capacity. We are having some major problems out there, especially at the community levels and even in regard to the regional levels, where you only have one major contractor in the Northwest Territories. I think we have to do a better job of inviting people to get into these businesses. I’d like to ask the Minister exactly: have you spoken to the NWT Construction Association or aboriginal organizations in regard to this change?

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I haven’t

personally spoken to any of the associations. ITI has talked to a couple of organizations. The Premier has also, I believe, had some feedback from organizations and businesses. It was mentioned in the previous address, and it’s something we feel we need to do. We need to visit, at this point, the way we’re conducting business. It’s really providing a lot of challenges. In our infrastructure committee we have provided, I think, 14 recommendations. This one’s getting a lot of attention.

Having said that, we have to recognize that just about 80 per cent of our tenders that go out are receiving less than two companies bidding on them. In fact, about 15 to 16 per cent of our tenders that went out received nobody bidding on them. We have to really look at how we’re doing business. We’re making a number of recommendations. Some things have to be further explored. ITI has been directed to go out and come back with some options on how we can revisit the BIP.

The FMB and we as a committee will be talking further on looking at how we can change the capital-approval system within our own government — giving us time to have the tenders go out earlier, providing that information to potential contractors earlier — so that we have better timing meeting all the delivery schedules and everything else that’s required.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you Mr.

McLeod. Final

supplementary, Mr Krutko.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my 13

years here this item has been on the agenda for every Legislature I’ve been a part of and has always been. We’ve had committees; we’ve had special committees. This thing has been worked over probably more than most public items in the Legislature. So I’d just like to ask the Minister if, before we take too many giant steps, we can maybe revisit some of that information, some of those reports, and see what those recommendations are before we make any major expenditures or capital investments going off into another area. I’d just like to ask the Minister that they look at the history of this and bring something

back and also keep the committees informed on this side of the House so we can also have input into the process.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

We certainly concur with

the Member’s recommendations. We intend to look at all the information provided up to now, and a number of us would agree; we’ve looked at this a number of times now. However, we have to face the reality that there is a cry out there to deal with this issue again. There are a number of companies and organizations that don’t feel it’s time to do this, but we have to review all the information — review and hear what people have to say. We have to share it with the committee and provide all that feedback to our own infrastructure committee to look at and make the final decisions. We certainly will keep the Members of this House informed.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Kam

Lake, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I want to follow up on

my colleague Mr. Krutko ’s questioning on BIP. I’m unsure, though, whether I should ask the Minister responsible for the

BIP or if I should ask Minister

McLeod. I guess for today’s sake I could ask Minister Michael McLeod . If the government has made this decision to move forward on the application on capital projects, I’m wondering when that will be effective, if the Minister could answer that question for me.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister,

Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you. That is a very

good question and a difficult one to answer. I guess it would depend on how much consultation is going to be required. Our target, from our committee, is to have a lot of these things come into play next year. We wanted to have some very good discussion with the committee about our recommendations, and we actually had hoped we would have the possibility of agreement to move our capital-approval process —that has been mentioned by the Premier — to the fall, which would allow us to start planning approval of capital projects in our fall session rather than in February or March.

Some things we’d like to see happen sooner than others. For the BIP we don’t expect to have a decision for another year or so.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

If it’s going to take a year, then I’m

wondering why the Minister would stand up in the House yesterday and announce it if we are going to go through the consultation process and get out there and talk to stakeholders and talk to Regular Members on this decision to effect capital projects. I’m wondering if the Minister can answer this question: has the department or the government

done any type of economic analysis to suggest what losses the government would have in the area of corporate taxes and the out-migration of people? There’s a big impact by making a decision like this, and I’m wondering if they’ve done any work in that regard.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, the Member

knows full well that’s a very difficult area to measure. We will do some analysis, but whether or not we can measure the out-migration and take our best guess — I don’t know if we can go that far. We will do the analysis; that’s what we’re embarking on right now, and we will have ITI do some of that work.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

As my colleague Mr. Krutko alluded

to, there have been many studies. There have been lots of reports done and efforts made to find out the cost of this and the benefits. I don’t think we need to reinvent the wheel. What I want to find out is: is this a decision to save $245,000 and a couple of positions? What’s driving this decision? I’d like to ask the Minister that question.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, our fiscal

reality, of course, is driving this. We have a huge infrastructure deficit. I think at last count, general estimations were well over $1 billion.

As Members

look at our capital budget of $140-some million, along with carry-over debt, it comes out to $200 million. It’s going to be tough to deal with that infrastructure. We have to do our business more efficiently. We have to have checks and balances in our capital process. BIP seems to have caught everybody’s eye and ear. I think we have to really look at what we’re planning to do. The Premier said fairly clearly in his budget speech that we would look at the BIP and its application to capital projects, but we’d also look at maintaining our commitment to local and northern purchasing. It’s those things we have to keep in mind. We need to have that discussion, and that’s what we plan to do.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Final

supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As long as

the cost-benefit analysis isn’t done after the fact, after this comes into effect — like the Deh Cho bridge, for example.

I’d like to get some reassurance from the Minister that before this becomes effective the government will come back to Regular Members and sit down with stakeholders in this area so we can work on this together and come up with solutions together rather than it just be implemented by the government.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

The over-a-billion-dollar

deficit I mentioned didn’t include the Deh Cho bridge or the Mackenzie Valley road. I would commit to the Members, and I think all my

committee colleagues would commit, that we would share the information with the Regular Members on where we plan to go and the decisions we’re moving toward as the information comes in. Through ITI or with our work with the FMB we will commit to doing that and provide it to the committee and keep them updated.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Hay

River South, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 255-16(2) Law Bursary Program For Aboriginal Students

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, in my Member’s

statement today I raised the possibility that the reason the law bursary program failed to encourage any recipients to return north to

article and practise law may have been related to the lack of attention the department paid to the recipients and the program in general. Can the Minister of Justice inform this Assembly whether, once the department realized the law bursary program wasn’t meeting its intent…? Did the department examine the program with a view to improving it so it would meet its objectives?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister of Justice ,

Mr. Lafferty .

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mahsi. Mr. Speaker, this

particular program was introduced in 1999–2000. We have had limited success with this program. That’s one area we looked at as a department as part of how we can improve in these areas. That was an area we looked at as part of the reduction that has been brought forward. Due to the fact that we haven’t had much success in this area.... Part of that introduction was to increase lawyers in the Northwest Territories, specifically aboriginal lawyers. But there had been a limited intake in the program. Mahsi.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned,

I have a constituent who is currently in their second year, who is in law school because of the bursary program, and has not heard back from the GNWT Department of Justice about articling or summer employment opportunities. It just seems ironic that we’ve had limited success so therefore let’s just pull the rug out from under the whole thing. What about the students who are currently enrolled in law school, who are depending on the law bursary program to conclude their studies?

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, currently, for

the past seven or eight years we’ve sponsored these students to return to the Northwest Territories.... Out of the 19 we’ve sponsored, five returned to

article here in the North. Two are in practice: one is in the legal division and one is in Behchoko. One is currently articling.

Mr.

Speaker, we hoped that we had more

applicants in this area. At the same time, when we talk about the summer employment, the students would have to notify our department by February 28 for summer employment, as with any other students, to be employed here in the North. Also, if they have successfully completed their degree program, the law degree program, they may be considered for an articling position within the Justice Department.

So it’s just a matter of applying to our department. Certainly my department will do whatever we can to have those individuals within our system. Mahsi.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, my constituent

is in second year of law school. They would like to complete their degree. Why can’t the students who are currently enrolled, at the very least, be grandfathered and receive support for the remainder of their degree?

It may be that when these young people do graduate from law school there may be some attraction to stay down south for awhile. Ultimately, a lot of people will return to their roots and will return to their homes when they get ready to settle down, perhaps raise a family. They will come back to the North.

Mr. Speaker, I don’t believe we can cut off support to somebody who’s already gone to law school. I mean, I think it’s wonderful. I think it’s amazing. These people who are undertaking such a thing as a law degree, especially our young northern and aboriginal students, should be congratulated and supported in any way possible.

Will the Minister commit to continuing to support my constituent for the continuation, to the completion of his law degree?

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, right now we

still do offer, for this year, up to $5,000 per student to continue for another year. At that point in time the student will have the opportunity to explore other bursaries. There’s a whole bunch of scholarships out there. When you attend a university or a college, there are all these bulletin boards that have opportunities for students to apply. Based on their academics, they can easily access up to ten, 15 different scholarships.

So certainly our department will continue to support these students for this year financially and also support them in any way we possibly can with summer employment, if they do apply in time, and also articling when they want to return to the Northwest Territories. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. Final

supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, when students

take up studies in the area of law or medicine, these are more costly than other academic fields. Although our SFA support is very generous, it’s not generous enough when your tuition is $10,000 a year for law school and the cost of books is $1,000 a year.

Mr. Speaker, I cannot conceive of this government discontinuing support to someone who’s already out and going to law school, wanting to complete their studies. What if other areas of scholarships or foundation support don’t come through? Is the Minister suggesting that the student, if they don’t have the financial resources or the support of the government, should just drop out of the program?

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mr.

Speaker, that

certainly is not the case. We’re not encouraging students to drop out. We’re encouraging them to stay in school and be successful in their particular program.

This particular constituent is grandfathered as well, along with other students who are in the current system. So we do continue to support them during this transition period.

Mr. Speaker, it’s important to highlight that we are here to support them as the Government of the Northwest Territories, and our SFA program is one of the best in Canada. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. The

honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much,

Mr. Speaker. I just want to follow up on my Member’s statement with regard to dental emergencies in the community and just to highlight the urgency. I just got another incident in terms of dental emergencies, so I’d like to bring that up with the Minister. What is the current and existing guideline that governs dental emergencies in the community?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister responsible

for Health and Social Services, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My

understanding is that dental emergencies would be handled in the same way as any other medical emergency. When they present themselves to our local health facilities, the health care professionals in those facilities would examine them and make appropriate calls as to the treatment and plan of action. So dental emergencies are considered medical emergencies.

I also appreciate the information the Member has given me about a particular constituent, which I am in the process of following up on.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I think I’ll just speak to the

medical emergencies in the smaller communities, as well as the need to develop a policy. I’d just like to know what current plan or what strategy the Minister’s office is going to develop with regard to developing a policy.

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Question 256-16(2) Emergency Dental Services In Small Communities

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I want to say, for

the record, that I appreciated the opportunity to see first-hand and hear first-hand the challenges that the residents in small communities have with respect to dental care. For our aboriginal people it is covered by the NIHB services, but we have not been able to obtain service providers. There are lots of dentists and dental clinics in the North who have not taken up the opportunity to bid on this contract, in particular for the Deh Cho region.

They had a challenge in obtaining a contract, and I believe only in the last month were they able to find a dentist who was willing to travel to those communities from Quebec. I’m hoping that with a new contract out, the contractor will be able to enhance our services there.

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Question 256-16(2) Emergency Dental Services In Small Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’m very happy to see that the

Ministry is working toward assisting the people in need in the communities.

Just once again, what type of guideline or policy is in place currently within the department for dealing with situations like this?

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Question 256-16(2) Emergency Dental Services In Small Communities

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Once again, I think that dental

emergencies are handled as any other medical emergency. I would expect that the health care professional in Fort Liard right now is responding to that situation.

On the larger picture of providing dental services to people in our communities, the service level in the Deh Cho region for the last number of months has suffered because we did not have a service provider. Now, with a new contractor in place, we are hoping we can increase the services there.

On the larger picture, I learned a lot about the requirements for additional dental service, and especially dental service for aboriginal children. It will be something I will be bringing up with the federal Minister of Health , because I think they could do a lot more to step up and be more stringent and more committed to this service to our aboriginal peoples.

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Question 256-16(2) Emergency Dental Services In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable

Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 257-16(2) Utility And Housing Subsidies For Seniors

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Going back

to my Member’s statement talking about seniors and the struggles they face, I want to direct my questions today to the Minister of the NWT Housing Corp. A lot of seniors would like to stay in their own homes, but the monthly utility costs are getting to the point where they can’t afford it. I’d like to ask the Minister of Housing whether there’s a program within the Housing Corp that assists seniors with monthly utility costs, which would enable them to stay in their own homes.

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Question 257-16(2) Utility And Housing Subsidies For Seniors

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister

Responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 257-16(2) Utility And Housing Subsidies For Seniors

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you,

Mr. Speaker. The one main program that is there for utilities, mainly fuel, of course, is the Seniors’ Fuel Subsidy Program that is administered by ECE. In addition, there is the fund that is administered with land taxes. We have, through Housing, a Seniors' Home Repair Program that homeowner seniors may be eligible for if they apply. These are three funds that speak to the area that’s been raised by the Member.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I thank the Minister for that. The fuel

subsidy, I think, is a one-time deal, if I’m not mistaken. It’s very helpful. I’ve had seniors who’ve accessed that fund before. It’s much appreciated, but what I’m talking about are the monthly utility costs, like fuel and electricity. I think that would go a long way in assisting seniors to stay in their own homes and not have them move into public housing and take up public housing stock.

I’d like to ask the Minister if the department would consider such a program that would assist seniors with monthly utility costs and would allow them to stay in their own homes.

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Question 257-16(2) Utility And Housing Subsidies For Seniors

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The Fuel Subsidy

Program is an annual program that seniors can apply for. If they’re eligible, they’ll get up to the equivalent of five cords of wood, or 2,200 litres of fuel. We also have everybody outside of Yellowknife in the diesel communities in the North subsidized for the first 1,700 kilowatts under the Territorial Power Support Program.

Of course, through the business-planning process we’d be very interested to sit down and talk to and work with the Social Programs Committee. We’ve already looked at some of the issues for seniors, how the seniors programs are currently structured under the new core program, given, of course, the broad concern of our fiscal reality. We are always interested to talk about ways we can improve services that are affordable.

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Question 257-16(2) Utility And Housing Subsidies For Seniors

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I thank the Minister again for that. I

am aware of the fiscal situation we’re facing right now. It’s just that this is something I firmly believe is needed, and I think it’s something we could discuss during the business plans in September.

A senior moves into public housing and they’re over 60; I think they pay no rent. I’d like to ask the Minister: who covers the cost of maintaining the public housing unit they’ve moved into? Obviously there’s a cost to it, and I think it’s around $1,800 or something like that per month, per unit. I’d like to ask the Minister: who covers the cost of the maintenance and upkeep on that unit per month?

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Question 257-16(2) Utility And Housing Subsidies For Seniors

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The Housing

Corporation. There’s no rent or costs billed to the seniors, so this is covered through the operations of the Housing Corporation.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I appreciate the answer. The costs

are eaten by the Local Housing Authority; I think I’m correct in assuming that. I’d like to ask him if there’s any subsidy that comes from ECE, or is the whole cost eaten by the Local Housing Authority?

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Question 257-16(2) Utility And Housing Subsidies For Seniors

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Those folks who are

eligible for the Public Housing subsidy would have funds flow to them from ECE. The issue with seniors’ housing and no rent was a political decision of this Legislature back in, I believe, 1995 or 1996. The costs have been built into the operation of the Housing Corporation, and the money’s been, over the years, put into the budgets of the districts and looked at yearly.

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Question 257-16(2) Utility And Housing Subsidies For Seniors

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for

Nunakput, Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 258-16(2) Funding For Community Justice Programs And Services

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my

Member’s statement today I spoke of impact of the proposed cuts to Community Justice committee funding. The elimination of a court worker position will affect the delivery of justice in my community of Tuktoyaktuk.

Can the Minister of Justice inform this Assembly on whether his department still has any focus on Justice activities at the community level?

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Question 258-16(2) Funding For Community Justice Programs And Services

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Jacobson. The

honourable Minister responsible for Justice , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 258-16(2) Funding For Community Justice Programs And Services

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mahsi, Mr.

Speaker.

Certainly for our Justice Department and also the Government of the Northwest Territories, one of the focuses is to deliver programs to the communities, the regions. We will continue to do so. Wherever we need to enhance our programs, we certainly are

listening to the people of the North. That’s one area we will be focusing on as the Justice Department.

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Question 258-16(2) Funding For Community Justice Programs And Services

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

I think the department should have

considered cuts to the headquarters level before they started touching programs at the community level and regional level.

Can the Minister inform this Assembly as to whether he will consider increasing funding that’s available for the Community Justice committees?

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

I think that is one of the

recommendations brought forward by the Committee of the Whole, and certainly we will consider looking at those recommendations. Also, we do have a three-year time span as part of our business planning. We have highlighted where we can enhance and improve our program delivery into the communities. Those will be taken into consideration.

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Question 258-16(2) Funding For Community Justice Programs And Services

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

That’s really good to hear. Would

the department seriously consider re-establishing my court worker in the community of Tuktoyaktuk?

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Question 258-16(2) Funding For Community Justice Programs And Services

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

We will consider all the

recommendations that were brought forward to our Justice Department.

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Question 258-16(2) Funding For Community Justice Programs And Services

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. The

honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 259-16(2) Business Incentive Policy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too,

would like to ask some questions on the plans for the business incentive program — the BIP. I’d like to give Minister Bob McLeod a chance to respond to some of these questions.

Could the Minister tell us exactly what is in planning for cutback or what changes are being contemplated? I see from the presentation yesterday that he has been requested by Cabinet to implement the recommendation. I’m gathering he must have some firm ground on that. What exactly is being contemplated, just to make sure we’re making our comments appropriately?

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Question 259-16(2) Business Incentive Policy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Bromley. The

honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 259-16(2) Business Incentive Policy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

The GNWT departments, as

my colleague has stated, are seeing that the business incentive program has been having a negative impact on both the delivery of infrastructure and on the price of infrastructure because of the lack of competition. So what I will be doing is undertaking a process by which I would proceed through an orderly process to look at the

BIP with a view to rescinding it and coming up with a way to protect local and northern purchasing.

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Question 259-16(2) Business Incentive Policy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks to the Minister for those

comments. Am I to understand that this process would include a public consultation or at least some firm and thorough and comprehensive consultation with the Regular Members on this side of the House?

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Question 259-16(2) Business Incentive Policy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

That’s certainly been our

intention, and we have followed that, and we have written to the committee advising them of that.

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Question 259-16(2) Business Incentive Policy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I appreciate that clarification. Again,

looking at the presentation yesterday, “to generate the required interest, we need to consider removing the application of the BIP from these...contracts” is one statement, followed by “the subcommittee has recommended eliminating the application of the BIP from the GNWT and community government infrastructure projects.” That’s sort of two levels there. And then finally, Cabinet has requested implementation. So I just want to be sure. Can the Minister commit to bringing the Regular MLAs in on this process, and can we expect a briefing from the subcommittee on infrastructure and the opportunity for more input there, something I know we’re very interested in?

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Question 259-16(2) Business Incentive Policy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Seventy six per cent of the

total businesses that have been BIP’d are located in Yellowknife, Hay River, Inuvik and Fort Smith. They obtain 62 per cent of government contracting in all of the Northwest Territories. Certainly we will be consulting with the Regular MLAs.

I should point out also that the Business Incentive Policy

is only one of several ways to provide

incentives to increase competition. One of the problems we’ve been facing is that several large northern businesses have been bought out by southern businesses and they’re still considered to be BIP’d. Similarly, large construction companies have moved south. There are other ironies; for example, Wal-Mart is one of my favourite places to shop, and it’s also a good business.

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Question 259-16(2) Business Incentive Policy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. Final

supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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