Debates of March 18th, 2004

This is page numbers 47 - 84 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was federal .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Report On Federal/provincial/territorial Meetings

Aboriginal Languages Month

Implementation Of New Municipal Governance Legislation

Winter Road Report

Clawback Of National Child Benefit Supplement

Land Claims Obligations

All-weather Highway To Link Tuktoyaktuk To Inuvik

Crowded Classrooms In Yellowknife Schools

Timely Receipt Of GNWT Records Of Employment

Road To The Northern Leaders Meeting In Hay River

Resource Development Trust Fund

Management Opportunities For Aboriginal Employees

Listening To The People

Family Involvement In Sport

Implementation Of Changes To The Motor Vehicles Act

Committee Report 1-15(3): Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Motion To Move Committee Report 1-15(3) To Committee Of The Whole

Committee Report 2-15(3): Standing Committee On Social Programs Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Further Return To Oral Question 9-15(3): NWT Housing Needs Survey

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Land Claims Obligations

Update On New Housing Re-investment Proposal

Standing Committee On Non-tax-based Communities For The 15th Assembly

Motor Vehicles Act Amendments - Mandatory Drug And Alcohol Awareness Training

Permanent Trust Fund For Residents Of The Nwt

Delayed Receipt Of Record Of Employment Forms

Clawback Of National Child Benefit Supplement

Raising Revenues Through The Sin Tax

Non-insured Health Benefits - Growing Deficit

Federal Government Honouring Commitments To The Non-insured Health Benefits Program

Supporting Resource Development In Small Communities

Fair Treatment Of Tax-based Communities

Formal Process For Receiving The Public's Suggestions For Fiscal Restraint

Appointment Of Deputy Chairpersons Of Committee Of The Whole

Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allen , Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya , Honourable Henry Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 47

The Speaker

David Krutko

Please be seated. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister Handley .

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Minister's Statement 3-15(3): Report On Federal/provincial/territorial Meetings

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I wish to report on progress made in advancing issues of importance to the Northwest Territories at federal/provincial/territorial meetings.

A First Ministers meeting was held on January 30th in Ottawa. I provided the Members of this House with a written

summary of that meeting noting that there was general agreement by Premiers and the Prime Minister that the issue of sustainability of our national health system is a priority. The Prime Minister confirmed the $2 billion one-time funding commitment of the previous government to provinces and territories for health care. This will mean an additional $2.6 million for the Northwest Territories. The Prime Minister agreed to convene another First Ministers meeting this summer to tackle the issue of health care reform. We will also be exploring a collaborative national approach to the enhancement of public health capacity, especially in light of the global outbreaks of infectious diseases.

In follow-up to the First Ministers meeting, federal Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Pettigrew is seeking input from the provinces and territories to shape Canada/U.S. relations. Minister Pettigrew has called for a meeting with his provincial/territorial counterparts on March 19th.

I will be absent from the House on that day to attend this important meeting. The GNWT has a number of specific issues that we want to address at this meeting, including issues surrounding continental energy, ballistic missile defence and northern foreign policy.

At the Council of the Federation meeting February 23rd and 24th in Vancouver, I was very pleased to see that the issues and agenda items of concern to the Northwest Territories were given attention and support by my fellow Premiers.

Premiers called upon the Prime Minister to include the $2 billion health supplement in base funding for 2004-2005, in the March 23rd federal budget. We reiterated the January 2003 plan to create a solid financial footing for health care in Canada and called on the federal government to provide sufficient funds to increase the federal share of provincial/territorial health and social program spending to 25 percent by 2009-2010. To that end, we agreed to launch a pre-budget campaign of television and print advertising to run March 8th to 17th, which generated over 270 media stories nationwide in the first few days.

The council also directed provincial and territorial Health and Finance Ministers to identify opportunities and challenges relating to health care reform and sustainability, including the important and unique challenges faced by rural and remote communities.

Mr. Speaker, the communiqu‚ arising from the Council of the Federation meeting contained an important quote, which I would like to repeat in full. It said:

"Premiers reiterated that concluding fair devolution and resource revenue sharing agreements with northern governments will remove significant barriers to improved federal/provincial/territorial relations. A fair deal on devolution and resource revenue sharing will give northern governments what other jurisdictions in Canada already have - the authority to generate own-source revenues and control the scope and pace of resource development."

The value of this unequivocal national support for the NWT's struggle to conclude fair devolution and resource revenue sharing agreements, to at last be "masters in our own homelands," and to achieve the status of equal partners at federal/provincial/territorial tables cannot be underestimated.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to report that we also succeeded in having a most important and pressing issue for the Northwest Territories specifically addressed as a priority in the Premiers' follow-up letter of February 24th to the Prime Minister with the statement:

"The federal Finance Minister has also not fully addressed Canada's commitment to the three territorial premiers to deal with the inadequacies in the per capita funding formula. We strongly recommend that meaningful action be taken."

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to express appreciation to all the Premiers on behalf of this Assembly for their continued understanding and much-needed support, which was in evidence at the Council of

the Federation meeting. I look forward to the next meeting of the Council of the Federation on July 28 to 30, 2004, as a further opportunity to advance the NWT's interests and collaboration on national issues of concern to the people of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I cannot stress enough the importance of intergovernmental meetings in advancing territorial interests on the national stage. As a government, we are committed to building a strong voice at such national tables on behalf of the NWT and its people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 3-15(3): Report On Federal/provincial/territorial Meetings

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 48

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 4-15(3): Aboriginal Languages Month

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, on the first day of this session, Mr. Yakeleya rose to speak about celebrating Aboriginal Languages Month. He spoke with passion about his own language and culture and how important that has been shaping the person he is today.

I would also like to recognize the importance of Aboriginal Languages Month.

Mr. Speaker, this month we celebrate the important role language and culture play in the daily lives of many of our residents. Aboriginal languages provide a way for aboriginal people to maintain and express their culture, traditions and build a strong foundation for self-determination and self-government.

We have a number of dedicated individuals across the Northwest Territories who have made the maintenance and enhancement of aboriginal languages their life's work. Like those of us in this House, they recognize the importance of language and culture as a foundation for a strong and healthy future.

Mr. Speaker, the language communities play an important role in determining priorities, planning activities and ensuring that the Government of the Northwest Territories understands the needs of the various language groups. Even in these times of fiscal restraint, the language communities are working hard to bring their language to the forefront of daily life in their communities.

I would like to assure those working in the language communities that this government is committed to continued support for language activities. To meet the recommendations laid out in the report of the Special Committee on the Review of the Official Languages Act, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is establishing two language boards. These boards will play a vital role in our ongoing efforts to maintain and enhance aboriginal languages. I am asking language communities to consider which individuals they would like to see on these boards. Mr. Speaker, a formal nomination process will be initiated by the department in the near future.

With community support, commitment and efforts, aboriginal language activities will continue to show positive results. Mr. Speaker, I join Mr. Yakeleya in urging the celebration of language and culture. Mahsi, quanna, marsi, qujannamiik.

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Minister's Statement 4-15(3): Aboriginal Languages Month

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 48

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Zoe .

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Minister's Statement 5-15(3): Implementation Of New Municipal Governance Legislation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 48

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on April 1, 2004, comprehensive changes to the Cities, Towns and Villages Act, Hamlets Act and Charter Communities Act will come into force. After years of development and consultation with community governments, the previous Legislative Assembly approved this legislation which provides municipal governments with a broad legislative framework that recognizes the important and diverse role they play in governing our communities.

Mr. Speaker, these new acts will dramatically change the rules under which municipal governments operate in the Northwest Territories. Under the new legislation, community governments will have broader bylaw-making powers. They will have the authority to plan for debt and investment, and to borrow money to support infrastructure development. In addition, the requirements for approval of activities by the Government of the Northwest Territories will be reduced, and there will be a corresponding increase in accountability of councils to the people they represent.

Mr. Speaker, these new laws also set out the purpose of municipal government and the roles and responsibilities of mayors and councils.

This legislation has been a long time coming. The process that has resulted in these acts began in 1995 when the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and the Northwest Territories Association of Communities jointly started the municipal legislative review. The purpose of the review was to identify the changes to legislation needed to keep up with other developments in community governance. The partnership approach between my department and the Northwest Territories Association of Communities was very productive and I would like to commend the association for their insights and advice throughout the development and approval of these acts.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise that this partnership is continuing as we collaborate on preparing communities for the implementation of the new legislation. Given the comprehensive changes that are included in this new legislative framework, it is important that affected community governments are fully informed and prepared for the implications. My department and the Northwest Territories Association of Communities have worked to develop an implementation plan that provides community leaders and administrators with the information they need to operate successfully under these new acts as of April 1st.

Mr. Speaker, this new legislation will provide our communities with greater latitude to deal with the challenges and opportunities facing them. My department looks forward to supporting communities as they move forward with this exciting new legislative framework. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 5-15(3): Implementation Of New Municipal Governance Legislation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 49

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod .

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Minister's Statement 6-15(3): Winter Road Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce that our cooler weather this winter has been favourable for the winter road system. The Department of Transportation had earlier scheduled this Tuesday for closing the Sahtu and Deh Cho winter roads. The cool weather, however, has allowed the department to get an extra week from the season and extend the closing date for the Wrigley-Tulita, Tulita-Deline and Tulita-Norman Wells winter roads until Monday, March 22, 2004. In order to comply with the Fisheries Act, the department will then begin clearing the stream crossings to make sure that no debris contaminates the waterways.

As weather conditions permit, the department will keep the Norman Wells-Fort Good Hope and Fort Good Hope-Colville Lake winter roads open for intercommunity travel on a day-to-day basis. Similarly, the Trout Lake and Nahanni Butte winter roads remain open on a day-to-day basis. Beyond Monday, March 22nd, though, these roads are subject to closure on short notice.

In the North Slave, the Wha Ti and Gameti winter roads will stay open as long as weather and travelling conditions permit. The Detah ice road will also remain open until the approaches deteriorate.

Regular maintenance on the Mackenzie Delta and Beaufort ice roads to Aklavik and Tuktoyaktuk will continue as scheduled until Friday, April 16, 2004. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 6-15(3): Winter Road Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 49

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Braden .

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Clawback Of National Child Benefit Supplement

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 49

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take up the issue again -- one that has frequently occupied the time of this Assembly -- of this government's decision to claw back from many, many families in the Northwest Territories the national child benefit. Mr. Speaker, the Minister responsible for this area, Mr. Dent , to his credit met with the organization Alternatives North a short while ago to receive an extremely well-developed proposal and argument they are putting forward, Mr. Speaker, that this clawback should stop.

The Northwest Territories is one of only five jurisdictions, I understand, in Canada that now do this. The impact, I understand, is somewhere in the neighbourhood of $800,000 to families who right now, Mr. Speaker, are well below the poverty line.

Currently the GNWT is taking money away from those living in the deepest poverty, says the report, and those with lowest income to fund programs that a variety of people can benefit from and provide cash benefits to working families. This decision, Mr. Speaker, is an arbitrary one on the part of this government. Yet, the mothers and families who lose the benefit, in some cases, and perhaps many cases, can't access the programs that they are involuntarily helping to fund.

Alternatives North, Mr. Speaker, goes on to say in no uncertain terms that the stigma of poverty is reinforced by this approach. It further goes on to say that the childhood programs that we do invest in, while the do certainly have merit, don't address the core goal the federal government assigned in creating the national child benefit, which is to prevent and reduce child poverty. The point is very clearly made, Mr. Speaker, that the GNWT is using money aimed at the lowest income earners to subsidize programs that are universally accessible.

I'm going to be asking for the Minister's comments on this latest argument to stop clawing back the national child benefit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Clawback Of National Child Benefit Supplement

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 49

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Land Claims Obligations

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 49

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A few weeks ago we all heard the Auditor General tell us that the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs needs to do a better job implementing the land claim agreements to reflect the spirit of those documents. Mr. Speaker, we like to criticize Ottawa now and then, but in this case maybe we should invite the Auditor General to the Northwest Territories, too. The GNWT also needs to improve how they admit the land claim obligations.

The Inuvialuit Final Agreement was signed in 1984. The Gwich'in agreement was signed in 1992. The Sahtu agreement was signed in 1993. We have all these nice chapters on wildlife, forestry, lands and economic measures. They aren't doing us much good, Mr. Speaker. We are still waiting for the amendments to the Wildlife Act and the Forest Management Act and other legislation.

The Mackenzie Valley is about to see major developments. Things are moving fast, so we need our land claim agreements to be in full effect so we can manage our lands, resources and economics. That's what the agreements were supposed to give us. The GNWT has to change its laws to make this happen.

Mr. Speaker, I'm very happy for my Tlicho friends who were finally able to sign their agreement last year. I sure hope they have better luck than the Sahtu and Gwich'in people and that they're not still waiting around 10 years from now for this government to live up to its obligations.

At the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I'll be asking the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs how he plans to make sure this government is up to the letter and spirit of the land claims obligations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Land Claims Obligations

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 49

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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All-weather Highway To Link Tuktoyaktuk To Inuvik

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 49

Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My Member's statement is in regard to the Tuktoyaktuk-Inuvik highway.

The Department of Transportation conducted an extensive consultation process, review and study on highway strategies along the Mackenzie Valley and came out with a report in October 1999. In the report, the department looked at three routes for the Tuktoyaktuk-Inuvik highway. In the report, the department agreed that PWC-77 alignment was the most logical route to link Tuktoyaktuk and Inuvik. This route is approximately 140 kilometres. The residents of Tuktoyaktuk expressed overwhelming support.

Mr. Speaker, given that the in-depth consultation and study is complete and the fact that there is overwhelming support in the Beaufort-Delta region, my constituents of Tuktoyaktuk are prepared to move forward on making this road a reality. The report indicates two approaches the government may take if the projects should proceed. Given that building new highways is the responsibility of the federal government, the report has discussed the option of a community construction approach. This option is to build one kilometre of road per year. It would contribute to the economic development of the region and provide training for equipment operators and heavy duty mechanics.

Taking the community construction approach would jumpstart the project by using GNWT and community resources. This approach can provide a mechanism for local access to exist in government training and business development programs, creating regional economic development with a highway construction focus.

The department should also continue to work with the claimant groups to explore their role in more detail. Any equity participation by the three groups may augment and enhance the government-sponsored activity.

Mr. Speaker, in conclusion, I believe a community construction approach is the best option for the Department of Transportation to build the Tuktoyaktuk-Inuvik highway. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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All-weather Highway To Link Tuktoyaktuk To Inuvik

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Crowded Classrooms In Yellowknife Schools

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 50

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I have done regularly during my time as an MLA, I attended the parent advisory group meeting at Range Lake North School last evening. In listening to the parents, Mr. Speaker, I was reminded again -- and it is my job, I believe, to remind this House again -- about the situation of crowded classrooms in our Yellowknife schools.

Mr. Speaker, while the last Assembly made important progress in reducing the pupil-teacher ratio by legislation from some, I believe, 18:1 to about 16.5:1 and even in a shorter time frame than originally planned, this has not resulted in a noticeable improvement in actual class size as we had anticipated.

Mr. Speaker, I have seen for myself how crowded the classrooms are with too many students, especially in the upper grades 7 and 8 at Range Lake North School. When added with the pressure of having the students with varying levels of needs in attention and instruction requirements, the teachers and students are really feeling the impact of this seriously less than adequate situation.

Mr. Speaker, I also know that this is something that is being experienced at practically all the schools in the city. As we enter into the details of our budget in earnest today and knowing what we know about the financial pressures we're in, I nevertheless believe that I will have to do my utmost to make sure that the essential programs and services as important as educating our children and the condition under which they are learning will be protected and enhanced to the fullest extent possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Crowded Classrooms In Yellowknife Schools

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .

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Timely Receipt Of GNWT Records Of Employment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to draw attention to an apparent problem that has arisen within our government. The problem I refer to, Mr. Speaker, is the fact that several of my constituents have waited an inordinate amount of time for their record of employment from our government.

As most people are aware, Mr. Speaker, a record of employment is required by Human Resources Development Canada in order for a person to qualify for unemployment benefits. Mr. Speaker, in the employment insurance guide issued by HRDC it states that a record of employment must be issued within five calendar days of the interruption of earnings or the date that the employer becomes aware of the interruption.

Mr. Speaker, my constituents are indicating to me that they are having to wait up to two months for their record of employment. This is totally unacceptable, Mr. Speaker. These same people have families to support and they are not able to access employment insurance until they receive this document.

Mr. Speaker, one constituent wrote to me that this is the second year in a row that he has had to encounter the same problems with receiving his record of employment from the GNWT. I would like to quote an excerpt from his letter to me in this regard. It states: "I would request that you do whatever you can to correct this injustice so that no other family, man or woman have to go through this unreasonable delay in getting benefits that are rightfully theirs."

I couldn't agree more, Mr. Speaker. I believe that we owe it to our employees to ensure that this situation is rectified so that it does not happen again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Timely Receipt Of GNWT Records Of Employment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Road To The Northern Leaders Meeting In Hay River

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

involved in a dinner that the Aboriginal Summit hosted in January. At this informal gathering it was observed that never before had northern leaders and the whole of the GNWT MLAs gathered to discuss items of mutual concern. At the outset of the 15th Assembly, we did indeed recognize that we as the GNWT are no longer the only government in the North. Our regions are more formidable presences now. I can say that we do indeed recognize this as the GNWT.

This morning we again gathered as northern leaders with the Aboriginal Summit and the federal government. Minister Mitchell, MP Ethel Blondin and Senator Nick Sibbeston were also involved. I believe that this is another big step for us as northern leaders to focus our energies and the issues that affect us all today and the future we wish to build.

In closing, I just want to make mention that indeed our desire to have more say in how we build our North is unfolding as it should. I believe that indeed we do have an appetite for more control of our future and we can only do that on a united front. I am proud to be part of this process that we are in. The point of power is in the moment. What we do today and the decisions we will make will create our future. Mahsi cho.

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Road To The Northern Leaders Meeting In Hay River

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Resource Development Trust Fund

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to use my Member's statement to draw attention to an item that I feel very strongly about. That item is the establishment of a permanent trust fund for the residents of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, during the election campaign a few short months ago I had the opportunity to discuss this idea with both constituents, some candidates from other ridings and, as well, with the Premier . From all accounts, it was well received.

As we are all well aware, the federal government definitely has the upper hand in taking our resource royalties from us. There is little doubt that we need to get a fair deal in terms of resource revenue sharing to be able to foster our own development as a territory. This government and the one before it and the one before that -- and I could go on and on -- and I believe each and every government over the past 20 years has been attempting to get more control over our own resources.

While each government has failed to get anything substantive from Ottawa, our people are the ones who suffer and continue to pay the price. Hopefully this government has better luck in dealing with Ottawa and we do get a fair deal.

Mr. Speaker, this brings me back to the point of my statement today. While Ottawa continues to milk us on resource royalties, as they have for years, can we not tell them to start putting this money aside for us in trust so we can benefit from it in the future? Mr. Speaker, the state of Alaska has a permanent trust fund, established in 1982, that pays a dividend yearly to each Alaskan. Every year in the state of Alaska each person receives a cheque which can vary from year to year from $1,300 to $2,200. There are over 600,000 residents in Alaska, Mr. Speaker, and their trust fund is based on oil and gas revenues.

The NWT is rich in oil, gas, diamonds and other precious metals and certainly a trust fund here for our 42,000 residents would only make sense. We, as a government, have to start paving the way for our future. The establishment of a trust fund would benefit the North in many ways. It would be an incentive for people to move here. It would also be an incentive for people to stay here and it would help offset the high cost of living faced by all residents of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my Member's statement.

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Resource Development Trust Fund

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 51

The Speaker

David Krutko

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are not. You may conclude your statement.

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Resource Development Trust Fund

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 51

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In closing, I would like to encourage all Members to get behind this idea and that we start telling the federal government that this money taken from our territory's soil should be set aside for our future, not wasted on billion dollar boondoggles, ad scams, computer scams, gun registries and other gluttony. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Resource Development Trust Fund

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Management Opportunities For Aboriginal Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 51

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was just going to use this opportunity in my Member's statement to drive home some of the concerns I made yesterday in my Member's statement in the House. Just to express some of my concerns with the government's lack of accountability with regards to increasing the number of aboriginals hired to senior management positions.

As far as I'm aware, Mr. Speaker -- and I'm sure a lot of the MLAs of previous governments are also aware -- this government is not meeting the expectations for aboriginal hiring in senior management positions and has no tools or policies in place to date to measure the results of the human resource accountability framework that was developed to address this issue in 1997. Mr.

Speaker, this issue does not specifically have to do with the lack of the human resource strategy that the government has developed for all the departments to adhere to, but more directly to do with the lack of a clear, measurable way that the departments are monitored and made accountable should they not be able to meet the targets and expectations in aboriginal hiring and training for the senior management positions.

Mr. Speaker, as I indicated yesterday, this government is interested in looking at ways to increase the number of aboriginals particularly in senior management positions and to increase the overall percentage of aboriginal government employees. We all have to work together as a government on how to best proceed and to develop some tools that compel the deputy ministers, government administrators and human resource managers to be more

accountable and committed to ensuring that we can be successful to a greater degree to resolving this problem.

Mr. Speaker, I am committed to working with this government to develop a clear and concise document and/or action plan that will pave the way to a new, accountable, open and transparent government for all our constituents, especially for the men and women that are currently working in this government so that they too can feel that they are an integral component to ensuring that the needs of all the aboriginal northerners are being addressed and resolved. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 52

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .

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Listening To The People

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 52

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since the beginning of the Third Session of this 15th Assembly I've raised, through a Member's statement, oral questions and the reply to the opening address, the wishes of my people in the riding of Inuvik Twin Lakes and their vision for change. Mr. Speaker, today my Member's statement is about listening to the people. Members of my community have articulated their frustration upon us simply because they say we are poor listeners.

For example, people from the small communities consistently say that the government employees interpret our government policy as a personal tool when dealing with their concerns. Mr. Speaker, I'm convinced that this is most probable in many cases. The government employees aren't paying attention to what is said to them. What has been stressed to me is that they are sitting there planning their next response.

Mr. Speaker, this could be said about us as politicians. I've listened well to my constituents, so when I ask the Premier and his Cabinet to provide definitive answers on our constitutionality when amending procedural format I do wonder if they are listening. Mr. Speaker, we currently function under a federal statute. I've listened attentively to the Finance Minister 's budget address where he inferred that many of his difficulties in dealing with the federal government on pages 6 and 7 of the address are well articulated.

Mr. Speaker, this clearly gives us some indication that we have no negotiation powers under the current constitutional powers of the NWT Act other than to be supportive to the federal system that extends right down to the grassroots level. So, Mr. Speaker, I'm asking that this government begin to listen to the people so that deep relationships are built on acceptance, understanding and being a good listener. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Listening To The People

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Family Involvement In Sport

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 52

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to acknowledge a couple of constituents of mine: Derek Graf and his father, Ron Graf. Ron happens to be an employee with the GNWT, a director of RWED. Last weekend Yellowknife hosted the NWT badminton championship. In junior division, Derek played hard and received a gold medal in men's singles. To follow that up, Mr. Speaker, Derek also won a gold medal in men's doubles with his badminton partner and best friend Luke Coedy.

Mr. Speaker, if you thought that wasn't enough, well I have more. In the men's open division for doubles, Derek and his team won a bronze medal just placing behind his father's team, Ron Graf, who won the silver.

The purpose of this recognition, Mr. Speaker, is to recognize Derek and his father, Ron, for their determination and sportsmanship. Keeping active at all ages is important to whatever degree, but it truly is especially nice to see a family component in any sport. The only thing I can say is you have to recognize this truly must make good dinner conversation with the competitive spirit being held at home.

Mr. Speaker, I cannot stress enough that being an athlete at any level requires the development of certain characteristics, such as discipline, determination, leadership, teamwork, a sense of accomplishment and, above all, having fun. The idea here is that recreational activities keep people young, happy and healthy. To see a family participating together in this way I'm sure brings competitive moments, yet I'm sure these will be positive memories held by the family.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I mention the Graf family as an example to demonstrate the value of active living in the NWT, and the value that helps build strong families and strong communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Implementation Of Changes To The Motor Vehicles Act

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 52

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, about 1,500 people die in Canada each year as a result of impaired driving and thousands more are injured. Per capita, statistics are even worse in the North. In June of 2003, the last Assembly approved amendments to the Motor Vehicles Act targeted at impaired driving. The intent of these amendments, Mr. Speaker, was to put some teeth into the Motor Vehicles Act, to create tougher sanctions aimed at getting impaired drivers off the road, and encouraging drivers with alcohol dependency issues to get help.

There are several programs available in the NWT designed to teach residents of the NWT how to use alcohol...Pardon me.

---Laughter

...how the use of alcohol and drugs impairs a person's ability to operate machinery or drive snowmobiles, all-terrain vehicles, boats and vehicles. These programs are available, Mr. Speaker, and they are effective. Members who were here during the last Assembly will remember that the amendments to the Motor Vehicles Act allows the registrar of motor vehicles to require any individuals convicted of an impaired driving offence to participate in one of these drug awareness education programs before

their licences are reinstated and they can get behind the wheel again.

I was very supportive of this amendment when it went through last June. Drug and alcohol awareness is a crucial component of the fight against drunk driving in the NWT. To my knowledge, the Minister of Transportation has yet to implement the amendments to the Motor Vehicles Act. As we wait for the Minister to do this, appalling and preventable alcohol-related accidents continue to occur on a regular basis in the NWT. Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Transportation at the appropriate time. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 53

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. Allen .

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Committee Report 1-15(3): Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 53

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight report on the review of the draft mains, 2005-2005.

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Introduction

Committee Report 1-15(3): Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 53

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

The standing committees of the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories met from February 16 to February 28, 2004, to review the 2004-2005 draft main estimates for each of the departments of the Government of the Northwest Territories.

The mandate of the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight includes the overview of the government-wide budget and fiscal framework, as well as the budgets of the Executive offices, Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs, Financial Management Board Secretariat and Department of Finance.

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Government-wide Issues

Committee Report 1-15(3): Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 53

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Financing And Resource Revenue Negotiations With Canada

The committee wishes to express its full support for the Premier and Minsiter of Finance in their endeavours to get a fair fiscal deal from Ottawa for the Northwest Territories.

Negotiations have been underway for some time on a new formula financing agreement. It is essential that Canada agree to amend the formula it uses for calculating its grant to the Government of the Northwest Territories. The current formula simply does not make sense for our Territory.

The future prosperity of the Northwest Territories also depends on the outcome of the negotiations for a fair share of resource development revenues.

The committee is aware that the government is working very hard to negotiate a fair deal for the Northwest Territories. Committee urges the government to enlist the support of our Member of Parliament and Senator to join these efforts.

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Proposed Changes To Taxes

Committee Report 1-15(3): Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 53

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

In order to increase its revenues and reduce the deficit forecast for 2004-2005, the government proposed a number of changes to taxes. The Minister of Finance provided a full briefing to the committee on February 16, 2004.

Members were concerned about the impact of these tax changes on the already high cost of living and doing business in the Northwest Territories.

The committee advised the Minister it would support an increase to the corporate income tax rate. Members believe this increase is unavoidable. At the current rate of 12 percent, the GNWT is suffering a net revenue loss due to the formula Canada uses to calculate its grant.

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Self-government Costs

Committee Report 1-15(3): Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 53

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

With the signing of the Tlicho Final Agreement last year and significant progress at other negotiating tables, self-government will soon be a reality. No one can reasonably expect that the new governments will be able to operate without an increase in the total number of dollars available to northern governments to provide programs and services. Self-government will bring many benefits to northerners, but it will also result in a loss of economies of scale, which means that government will cost more. There has been considerable discussion with the federal government about responsibility for these incremental costs.

Members strongly agree with the government's position that incremental self-government costs are the responsibility of the federal government. The committee fully supports the Minister and government in holding firmly and consistently to this position. The committee also urges the government to maintain a strong position with respect to self-government implementation costs to ensure the GNWT does not pay costs that are the responsibility of the federal government.

The Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight recommends the government continue to hold to its position that incremental self-government costs are the responsibility of the federal government;

And further, that the government maintains a strong position with respect to self-government implementation costs in order to ensure the GNWT does not pay costs that are the responsibility of the federal government.

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Travel

Committee Report 1-15(3): Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 53

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

The committee was made aware that the 2004-2005 draft main estimates reflect a government-wide 25 percent cut in travel budgets from 2002-2003 actual spending. The total travel expenditure reduction for all departments is $3.171 million.

While the committee applauds the government's efforts in this area, Members believe further savings are possible.

The Premier advised the committee that all international travel must be approved at the ministerial level. The committee would urge the Premier to ensure this requirement is followed strictly, and that no staff, including deputy ministers, are ever authorized to approve

international travel. The committee would also urge the Premier to ensure that the costs of any international travel are clearly justified by benefits to the Northwest Territories.

Attendance at federal/provincial/territorial Ministers meetings is another area where Members believe the government may be able to make reductions. Travel costs for these meetings include not only Ministers' travel costs, but also those of staff traveling with the Minister. While there is a clear need for the GNWT to have a strong presence at some FPT meetings such as those for Health and Finance Ministers, there are many FPT meetings that have little or no relevance to the Northwest Territories. The Premier advised committee that each FPT is assessed for its relevance. The committee urges the Premier and Ministers to ensure each FPT is warranted and has real benefit to the NWT.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Travel

Committee Report 1-15(3): Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Mr. Allen .

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Motion To Move Committee Report 1-15(3) To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 54

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That concludes the introductory portion of the report of the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , that Committee 1-15(3) be received by the Assembly and moved into Committee of the Whole. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Motion To Move Committee Report 1-15(3) To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker

David Krutko

The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Motion To Move Committee Report 1-15(3) To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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An Hon. Member

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Motion To Move Committee Report 1-15(3) To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Question is being called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Allen .

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Motion To Move Committee Report 1-15(3) To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 54

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to waive Rule 93(4) and have Committee Report 1-15(3) moved into Committee of the Whole for today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Motion To Move Committee Report 1-15(3) To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 54

The Speaker

David Krutko

The Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? No, there aren't. You have unanimous consent. Committee Report 1-15(3) is now moved into Committee of the Whole for today. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Ms. Lee .

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Committee Report 2-15(3): Standing Committee On Social Programs Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 54

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present our first report of the Standing Committee on Social Programs. The report contains comments and observations and recommendations where appropriate on each of these departments, and will be addressed in Committee of the Whole when the detailed budget of each department is considered. That concludes my very short introductory portion of the report of the Standing Committee on Social Programs.

I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Sahtu , that Committee Report 2-15(3) be received by the Assembly and moved into Committee of the Whole. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker

David Krutko

The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Some Hon. Members

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Committee Report 2-15(3): Standing Committee On Social Programs Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Ms. Lee .

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Committee Report 2-15(3): Standing Committee On Social Programs Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive Rule 93(4) and have Committee Report 2-15(3) moved into Committee of the Whole for today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Committee Report 2-15(3): Standing Committee On Social Programs Report On The Review Of The Draft 2004-2005 Main Estimates

Item 4: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Page 54

The Speaker

David Krutko

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent. With that, Committee Report 2-15(3) is now moved into Committee of the Whole for today. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Mr. McLeod .

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Further Return To Oral Question 9-15(3): NWT Housing Needs Survey

Item 5: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 54

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Menicoche on Tuesday, March 16, 2004, regarding the NWT housing needs survey.

Specifically, Mr. Menicoche inquired about the lack of allocations in Fort Liard and how the needs and allocations are determined.

Mr. Speaker, the NWT Housing Corporation has allocated three units in Fort Liard this year and there are six new houses being completed this spring for clients partaking in the corporation's homeownership programs.

Mr. Speaker, the NWT Housing Corporation bases allocations to communities on the results of the housing needs survey. The survey is used by the NWT Housing Corporation to monitor changes in housing conditions and needs. The survey findings provide the NWT Housing Corporation and communities with the information needed to make decisions on where funding should be directed to address the specific housing problems and needs identified.

Mr. Speaker, we hope to table the results of the 2004 NWT community survey later this session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Oral Question 9-15(3): NWT Housing Needs Survey

Item 5: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 54

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize my constituency

assistant from Inuvik, originally from Sachs Harbour, and this time I will get it right, her name is Brenda Dillon.

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Question 24-15(3): Land Claims Obligations

Item 7: Oral Questions

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs . It has been 10 years since the Sahtu Dene/Metis land claim agreements were signed, and still the Government of the Northwest Territories has not yet lived up to its obligations, such as the amendment to the Wildlife Act and the Forest Management Act. I would like to ask the Minister how does he plan to ensure that the Sahtu beneficiaries receive these obligations? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's true that the Wildlife Act has been under review for a long time, and we're continuing to work on it. The Minister of RWED is the lead Minister on this and I know it's his intention to complete the draft of the act by the end of this year, as well as the Species at Risk Act. The latest delay has been because of requested consultation by some of the land claim beneficiaries in the various regions of the Territories. We expect to have that done this year.

On the forestry side, the same thing has happened there, Mr. Speaker. We're moving ahead with our obligations on that side, but I don't have specific information on that with me today. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A lot of my people in the riding of Sahtu are directly impacted by the Sahtu Dene/Metis land claim agreement. They had high hopes and they still have high hopes of some security in this agreement to fulfill our rightful place in the Sahtu region and in shaping this great territory of the Northwest Territories in Canada. I want to ask the Minister would he consider putting in place a review process with the land claim groups to address and to respond to outstanding implementation obligations of this government? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, under

section 12.1.4 there is a review process that is laid out, and one that I would expect we have been following. As agreed, Mr. Speaker, the government shall meet with the Sahtu Tribal Council not less than once every three years to review the effectiveness of programs relating to the objectives of the economic measures

section in the land claim agreement. Those sections relate to both traditional economy as well as to broader economic self-sufficiency. We will continue to honour that obligation. If we don't, then certainly there is a dispute provision in the agreement, as well, but I hope we never go there. It is our intention to honour the spirit and the intent of all of the land claim agreements. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister commit to assist in the regional land claims, with both financial and logistical support, to develop action plans to prioritize the implementation of the chapters of the agreement that are urgently needed to ensure that we can manage and take care of our lands in the face of a major development such as the Mackenzie gas pipeline to be delivered to the federal government?

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I would have to look at the implementation agreement with the land claim agreement to be specific in terms of our obligations on that side. But if those were built into the implementation plan, then we certainly want to honour that. In the meantime though, Mr. Speaker, we will work with people in all regions where there is economic activity to help them to be able to identify what the opportunities are, what the potential is, and we are doing that in some specific cases.

For example, our government, through the Power Corporation, invested a fair bit of money helping on the hydro development, and we would be prepared to do that in other areas too if it seemed that there was good economic opportunity there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister. In light of the Sahtu Dene/Metis land claim agreement, we had a good meeting this morning with regard to the Aboriginal Summit and the Minister. I've been hearing that we need to work together in partnership, and I want to support the government in supporting our land claim groups; that we can jointly pursue the federal government in terms of its obligations. My question to the Minister is really that this government needs to make it a priority to fulfill its obligations under the land claim agreements and how do we demonstrate this together with land claim groups and with the federal government? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like the honourable Member, I was also very pleased with what moved, the attitude, the commitments that were made around the table this morning in the Intergovernmental Forum meeting. I think it was an excellent beginning. I am really pleased that the federal government has now signed on to the framework agreement. I think those are all good things that mean we are making significant progress here.

Mr. Speaker, I intend, as Minister of Aboriginal Affairs , to ensure that we will always be proud to have the Auditor General or anybody else come and look at the steps we are taking in implementing the spirit and intent of all the land claim agreements, to make sure that we are doing what is right here. I think if we do that, and work in partnership with aboriginal leaders, that that bodes well for our government and our people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 7, oral questions. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is to the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation . It is in regard to a proposal submitted last year in regard to flat rent scale rates for public housing tenants of the Northwest Territories. The intent of that proposal is to increase this from pro forma from $2.7 million rent recoveries to $5.4 million, which would be reinvested back into economic housing strategies. I will ask the Minister then, would he provide this housing update of that proposal? Thank you.

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David Krutko

Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is referring, I believe, to a submission to the previous Minister. I don't have that level of detail. I have not seen the document. I will have to take it as notice, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 26-15(3): Standing Committee On Non-tax-based Communities For The 15th Assembly

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe this question will be directed to the Premier . I have before me the 14th Legislative Assembly final report of the Special Joint Committee on Non-Tax-Based Community Affairs. What strikes me in this report is that it recommended the establishment of a standing committee on non-taxed based communities. I am wondering if the government has looked at that and are willing to proceed with that in the 15th Assembly.

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Mr. Premier .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is a decision of the Legislative Assembly, not a decision of our government. So it would be up to all of us to make that decision. Thank you.

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Supplementary, Mr. Menicoche . Okay. Item 7, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 27-15(3): Motor Vehicles Act Amendments - Mandatory Drug And Alcohol Awareness Training

Item 7: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in June of 2003, the last Assembly approved amendments to the Motor Vehicles Act and put some teeth into the existing legislation. The changes allowed for tougher sanctions aimed at getting impaired drivers off the road, and encouraging drivers with alcohol dependency issues to get help. The amendments allowed the registrar of Motor Vehicles to require individuals convicted of impaired driving offences to participate in drug awareness education programs before their licence would be reinstated. Mr.

Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Transportation , does the Minister intend to implement the amendments to the Motor Vehicles Act, approved in the House last June? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is quite correct. The former Minister of Transportation presented a bill to the Legislative Assembly in February of 2003. The bill was passed in June of 2003, and the department planned for the legislative changes to come into force early in 2004, and the introduction of regulations to the novice driver program in 2005. However, the funding for implementation and ongoing support is reduced; therefore, we have deferred the bill coming into effect.

The amendments to the bill include strengthening the roadside prevention provisions and introducing an automatic 90-day suspension, provide for impoundment of vehicles while suspended, and require an offender as a condition of licence renewal reinstatement to purchase an impaired driving assessment package.

Mr. Speaker, we do not have included a requirement for the driver to take an education program, there is no education component. However, we do have, as part of the impaired driving package, a requirement to do a medical assessment and that is the extent of the legislation. We plan to have this legislation in place by January of 2005. We have identified our revenues and we are confident we will put them in place. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the Minister for that update. I would like to know, Mr. Speaker, would the Minister

consider asking the registrar to require mandatory participation in a drug and alcohol awareness program before their licence is reinstated? I don't believe this is something that would have to be included in legislation. This is something that could be introduced as a policy. Would the Minister consider asking the registrar to require that on a mandatory basis? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated just now, the legislation requires a driver to obtain a driver's medical assessment. We will consider, however, the suggestion made by the Member to have an education component and also to make it mandatory. It may be something we will consider incorporating in this legislation. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In considering that, the Minister may also wish to take into account that these types of programs are not available in smaller centres and would probably require a mobile awareness program, so it would require some financial resources. With the upcoming prospect of these new regulations being put in place, I would like to ask the Minister if he would consider looking for and identifying funds which could finance this.

It is easier to send people for such an awareness program if it is available in their community, but obviously it is probably only available in a few communities on a formal basis, but it could be done very easily as a mobile program. So could the Minister commit to trying to identify financial resources to back up such a program? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the mandatory requirement was something that was considered when this legislation was being drafted. It is something that other provinces and jurisdictions have in place. We had considered it. The difficulty with this whole concept was the limited facilities and programs that we have now. We will take it upon ourselves to look at what the options are on how we can accommodate the amendment that the Member is suggesting. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Another aspect of this mandatory education awareness program might be for somebody who is knowledgeable in such a program to actually go into the small communities and train someone or some agency within that community to deliver that, as opposed to sending people into the community to do it. It could be something that could be added on to an already existing function within the community; sort of a train-the-trainer type program. Would the Minister seek out the curriculum or format of these programs and see if it would be viable to train people in the small communities to deliver this on behalf of those requiring it with suspended driver's licences? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will certainly take the recommendation from the Member very seriously. We will look at the curriculum that is required. We also have to look at the cost of implementing this whole concept. We also have to look at the availability of resources. So we will certainly commit to that. Thank you.

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Question 28-15(3): Permanent Trust Fund For Residents Of The Nwt

Item 7: Oral Questions

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question goes back to my Member's statement that I had earlier, and it is for the Premier . Where does the Premier see the establishment of a permanent trust fund for the residents of the Northwest Territories? Where does he see that fitting into his agenda in the next four years? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In principle, I certainly agree with the notion of setting up a trust fund or a heritage fund or something that ensures that the wealth we have in a particular year or years can benefit future generations. In order to have the ability to contribute to a trust fund, we have to have the dollars to put into it. I hope that within the life of this government that we are there, that we have settled devolution and resource revenue sharing and we are in a position where we can have our NWT trust fund or heritage fund. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what is stopping the Premier and this government from communicating to Ottawa that the money they are taking from us should be set aside for us in the future? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, the negotiations that we have with the federal government are three-way negotiations between ourselves, the Aboriginal Summit and the federal government. The Aboriginal Summit, in late January, advised us that they wanted to hold off any further negotiations until April because they were selecting a new negotiator. So we have not had an opportunity to raise this with our northern partner, governor, that's on this. As soon as negotiations resume, then I will be asking that we put this on the table for consideration. But it is not something that we can do unilaterally, we have to work with the other partners. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Premier for his response. I know he mentioned it, but I would like to get a commitment from him that he will raise this with our partners and that it will be on the agenda. Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will raise it with the Aboriginal Summit when we have the opportunity to have both sides meet at negotiations. Thank you.

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Question 29-15(3): Delayed Receipt Of Record Of Employment Forms

Item 7: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board Secretariat, Mr. Roland . They are to do with my Member's statement with regard to a record of employment. As I have stated in my Member's statement, this has gotten to be a bit of a problem. I have received complaints from a number of my constituents now that have experienced this, and the length of time it takes for them to get their record of employment after being employed with the GNWT. I would like to ask the Minister if he is aware of this problem and if there have been other complaints about this before. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware of the problems in the area of records of employment. I have, in fact, dealt with a number of cases that have come across my desk. It is something that I have asked the staff to look at in trying to shorten time frames and meet our requirements. Part of the problem is that each department in the regions and communities have that information and have to initially put out the forms and send them into our department. So we are going to be working on trying to improve that. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I stated in my Member's statement, the rules under HRDC are that records of employment have to be submitted within five days of the termination of employment. Do those rules apply to the territorial government? Are they the same as they are for other employers? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board Secretariat, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, they do apply to us. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, do the records of employment all come from FMBS for the Government of the Northwest Territories or do other departments put them out? Do they all come through the same department? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my understanding of the process is that when the employee is going to leave, they inform their immediate supervisor in the department of whatever department they are working for, and that initiates the process of getting the paperwork done, then it flows through to FMBS. Thank you.

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Final supplementary, Mr. Delorey .

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I noted in my Member's statement as well, this is a hardship for some folks that have a family and if they are not getting this record they can't draw employment insurance. So could I get a commitment from the Minister that he will communicate that to all of the departments to try and speed this process up so that we rectify this problem? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I understand that it does cause some hardship to those families that don't have a lot of funds to use between jobs. We will be working with the departments to ensure that we pick up on that process and improve on it. Thank you.

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Item 7, oral questions. Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Question 30-15(3): Clawback Of National Child Benefit Supplement

Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 59

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, my questions this afternoon are for the honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment in relation to the issue of the clawback on the National Child Benefit Supplement. Mr. Speaker, to illustrate this briefly, a single parent in Yellowknife with two kids, receiving social housing and on income support loses the equivalent of about $2,700 a year because of our government's clawback. My inf