Debates of May 6th, 1996

This is page numbers 199 - 230 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was nunavut .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Board Reductions And Process

Western Arctic Fuel Resupply

Emergency Preparedness Week

recognition Of Achievements Of Northern Athletes

Seniors' Independent Housing Strategy

Super Soccer Tournament

Need For Review Of Seniors' Supplement To Old Age Pension

Congratulating Nunatta Sunakkutaangit Museum Society In Iqaluit

Supplementary Payment To Harvesters For Wolf Pelts

Inadequacy Of Federal Government Funding For Nunavut Infrastructure

Community Empowerment

Federal Funding Allocated For Creation Of Nunavut

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Status Of

Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement

Tabling Of All GNWT Contracts

Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp

Communities' Spending Limit For Forest Fire Management

GNWT Representatives On Nunavut Implementation Commission

Federal Funding For Nunavut Implementation

Status Of Training For Community Empowerment

Breakdown Of Incremental Funding For Nunavut

Education Tax Increases

Impact Of Nunavut Funding On GNWT Budget

Formula Financing In Two New Territories

Effect Of Block Funding On Procurement Policies

Departmental Emergency Procedures

Cabinet Committee On Nunavut

Post-secondary Education In Nunavut

Item 10: Replies To Budget Address

Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Referral Of Tabled Document 30-13(3), Report Of The Chief Electoral Officer To A Standing Committee

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Good afternoon, Members. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 33-13(3): Board Reductions And Process

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, health and hospital boards face tremendous challenges to identify ways to save this government money. A reduction of $9.25 million in funding to the eight health and hospital boards is projected over the next two years. This is slightly less than a 10 per cent reduction in the funding provided to the boards through the territorial health insured services activity over the next year.

Mr. Speaker, I met with representatives from the health and hospital boards in February to discuss their reduction targets and ask them to develop submissions to the department to identify proposed reductions using broad guidelines. These guidelines required that impact on programs and services be minimized; access to health care services be maintained; government policy was complied with; reductions did not simply shift the burden to others; and, plans were consistent with community wellness, prevention and health promotion strategies.

The department has reviewed all submissions from boards to ensure they meet the guidelines. Mr. Speaker, in mid-April, the department provided the feedback to the boards, advising which of the proposed reductions were consistent with this government's directions and priorities and which reductions either required further explanation or simply could not be supported.

Departmental officials have been working with the boards to resolve issues surrounding reductions that have not been supported or to assist in identifying others.

In the meantime, boards have been encouraged to begin implementing reduction initiatives that are consistent with this government's direction. Mr. Speaker, this process will take more than one year; next year boards will face further challenges.

This will mean changes in the way some services are provided. However, residents will continue to have access to the health care services they require. I ask that all MLAs support the boards as partners in the government's effort to meet the current fiscal demands.

Mr. Speaker, only through collaboration and partnerships do we have an opportunity to meet these challenges creatively and improve client care as we move towards operating more efficiently. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 33-13(3): Board Reductions And Process

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 34-13(3): Western Arctic Fuel Resupply

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Public Works and Services has always been a major contributor to business development in the Northwest Territories as it carries out its responsibilities for capital project management and government purchasing. However, it has even greater potential for promoting business development through the continuing devolution of responsibilities to the private sector for providing petroleum products to communities. This will be one of the government's continuing priorities with a goal of privatizing as much as possible in time for the 1997-98 transportation season.

Over the years, the GNWT has made a conscious effort to increase private sector involvement in community fuel supply and delivery. The next step in the move towards fully privatizing this service across the Northwest Territories is to restore health to the petroleum products revolving fund. At the moment, the $50 million business is in financial difficulty. The accumulated deficit for the petroleum products revolving fund has increased to $2.7 million this year. Obviously, the first step in promoting this as a viable economic opportunity is to balance the budget.

Two recent initiatives by the department should help us to achieve that objective by the end of 1996-97. The first was an award in early April to the Northern Transportation Company Ltd. for the Eastern Arctic fuel resupply. For the first time, a northern carrier will be responsible for obtaining petroleum products and delivering them to all the communities of the Eastern Arctic. This award is expected to save $1.5 million over the three years of the contract. Negotiations are under way separately for the Iqaluit fuel resupply which is expected to achieve additional cost savings. I will report to the Members of this House when the award is finalized.

The second initiative on the road to fiscal health for this important program was the award on April 24, 1996, of the Western Arctic fuel resupply. A contract was awarded to Imperial Oil Ltd. to supply fuel to the Northwest Territories Power Corporation in the Kitikmeot and Inuvik regions for three years and to the Government of the Northwest Territories which, in turn, sells the fuel to customers in the communities, including businesses, private consumers, municipal governments and housing associations.

This is the first time the western fuel resupply contract has been awarded as a result of the competitive process. Previously, all Western Arctic fuel was purchased from Imperial Oil's refinery at Norman Wells through a negotiated agreement. While we were not able to negotiate a contract with Imperial Oil out of its Norman Wells refinery, the government decided to proceed with a call for proposals to get the best possible deal on the fuel resupply. Imperial Oil's proposal to deliver fuel to Hay River by rail achieved those objectives.

This arrangement will save $2.8 million over three years through a contract with Imperial Oil Ltd. for the provision of the fuel products and a contract with the Northern Transportation Company Ltd. for delivery. The Northern Transportation Company Ltd. contract will strengthen the marine transportation option in the Western Arctic and stabilize freight rates for all cargo in 1996.

An unfortunate outcome of this award is that it might be necessary for Imperial Oil Ltd. to close down their refinery portion of their Norman Wells operation. However, in view of the obvious benefits to all Western Arctic residents of stabilized fuel prices, it is clear that the economic benefits offset the negative impacts on the community of Norman Wells.

Mr. Speaker, these awards should allow us to deal with some long-standing financial problems and promote this privatization initiative as a solid economic opportunity that could have considerable benefits to our business sector. I will be approaching the Standing Committee on Infrastructure to provide them with the privatization plan for the petroleum products division within the next two months. In the meantime, I am confident that these recent awards will result in a stable supply of petroleum products at a price which northerners can afford.

The next step in the department's efforts to enhance private sector capability, is the proposed privatization of the systems and communications division in Yellowknife. I will be coming forward in the near future, Mr. Speaker, to provide more details on that initiative. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 34-13(3): Western Arctic Fuel Resupply

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mrs. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 35-13(3): Emergency Preparedness Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I wanted to talk about Emergency Preparedness Week. I am pleased to advise this House that I have proclaimed the week of May 6th to 12th as Emergency Preparedness Week in the Northwest Territories. This proclamation coincides with a national initiative announced by the Honourable David Collenette, Minister of National Defence and Minister responsible for Emergency Preparedness.

The federal government has joined with the provincial and territorial emergency measure organizations, to encourage all individuals, families and community organizations, to prepare themselves for emergencies which may affect them. Everyone in the Northwest Territories must take responsibility for their own well-being, and join with their community government and the Government of the Northwest Territories, to minimize the risk to people, property and the environment when emergency situations occur.

Mr. Speaker, it is timely this week has been proclaimed Emergency Preparedness Week. The annual spring break-up of our rivers has commenced in the Western Arctic. Several of our western communities face an annual alert at this time of year, as there is always a risk of flooding that accompanies break-up.

Last year's forest fires taught us the value of planning for quick response. The forest fire season is fast approaching, and Emergency Preparedness Week is our opportunity to prepare for such threats again this summer. In the East, the warm weather and long days see more people travelling on the land and the weather can change very quickly, increasing the risks of people becoming stranded. Again, planning and preparations allow quick and effective responses to be mounted to rescue stranded parties.

Mr. Speaker, the foundation of effective emergency preparedness is proper planning, our emphasis must continue to be on prevention. In the Eastern Arctic, as I mentioned, search and rescue is one of the emergencies most likely to occur. Individuals can take steps to minimize risk and, at the same time, aid searches in finding them quickly. Using proper care and caution, being adequately equipped and telling someone your travel plans will help to reduce the number of searches and the length of time required to find a missing person.

We all have important roles to play when our personal safety and property are at risk. We must not forget that responsibility for emergency preparedness begins with each individual and household.

As Minister responsible for civil emergency measures, I join the federal government in encouraging all northerners to mark Emergency Preparedness Week by taking the time to inform themselves on how they can help safeguard themselves, their families and their communities before, during and after a disaster strikes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I have another Minister's statement, if that's okay.

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Minister's Statement 36-13(3):recognition Of Achievements Of Northern Athletes

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate three northern athletes on their recent achievements in competitions at the national level.

Jeremy Jaud is a competitive swimmer from Yellowknife who has just completed his first year at the University of Victoria. A former member of the Yellowknife Polar Bear Swim Club, Jeremy received a swimming scholarship to Manitoba in 1994-95. This past year, he moved to the University of Victoria where he has been training six days a week for a chance to become a member of the national swim team and to qualify for the Canadian Olympic swim team.

At the Canadian Olympic swimming trials held in Montreal, March 30th to April 4th, Jeremy reached the finals and placed seventh in the 200-metre individual medley and 10th in the 100-metre breast-stroke. Joining the finals in the 200-metre breast-stroke means that he has three other chances to reach the Olympic qualifying time, in meets coming up in Phoenix, Vancouver and North Carolina.

Mr. Speaker, this is the first time an NWT athlete has qualified for a final in an Olympic trial in nearly 20 years. Our last Olympic athletes were, of course, Shirley and Sharon Firth in cross-country skiing.

The second of our northern athletes is Justin Brown, a 16-year-old wrestler who attends St. Patrick's High School here in Yellowknife. After earning three silver medals at the Arctic Winter Games in March, Justin won a bronze medal in the 46-kilogram division at the national junior wrestling championships held in Regina in April.

Justin is described by his coaches as a mature athlete, who is dedicated to his sport and has a strong work ethic. His coaches believe that Justin has the potential to make the national team some day.

A final athlete, David McCann, is a short-track speedskater and a grade 12 student from Yellowknife. He attends school at the National Sport School in Calgary, and trains at the Olympic oval. David skated previously for the Yellowknife Speedskating Club and had impressive performances competing for the NWT at the 1994 and 1996 Arctic Winter Games.

In the Canadian short-track speedskating championships in Red Deer, March 29th to 31th, David placed first overall in the intermediate men's category. A week later, he received a bronze medal in the 1,500 metre finals and the 777-metre event at the North American championships held in Calgary. He was also fourth in the 1,000 metre and fifth in the 3,000 metre at this competition.

Mr. Speaker, it is not often that athletes from the Northwest Territories achieve such significant results in the sporting world. While our aim should always be to promote a broad base of participation in sport, we should recognize the dedication and hard work of these three athletes in pursuing their goals in sport; to be the best they can at national and international levels.

Mr. Speaker, all NWT residents can be proud of the accomplishments of Jeremy Jaud, Justin Brown and David McCann. I am sure Members will join me in congratulating them on their success, and wishing them the best of luck in their future endeavours. Thank you.

--- Applause

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Minister's Statement 36-13(3):recognition Of Achievements Of Northern Athletes

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 37-13(3): Seniors' Independent Housing Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are all aware that communities across the Northwest Territories need more adequate, suitable and affordable housing. The housing shortage affects people of all ages, but elders require our special attention.

Mr. Speaker, seniors want to stay in their own communities and live on their own for as long as possible. For this reason, the Department of Health and Social Services and the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation have signed off the seniors' independent housing strategy.

The NWT Seniors' Advisory Council has provided valuable advice in the development of the strategy. This helped ensure that expressed needs of seniors were heard and given proper consideration.

Mr. Speaker, at this point, I would like to recognize the president of the NWT Seniors' Advisory Council, Mrs. Esther Braden, who has joined us in the gallery today. Also with her is Mr. Pete Fraser, a former Member of this House and the NWT/Yukon representative of the National Advisory Council on Aging; and, Ms. Barb Bond, the executive director of the Seniors' Advisory Council recognize them.

--- Applause

I would ask you to the strategy includes the following elements: The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation has committed $3 million in funding for this program in the 1996-97 fiscal year; once seniors' independent housing units are built, they become part of the community's overall social housing portfolio, but will be reserved for seniors only; the local housing organization will handle the allocation, administration, operation and maintenance of seniors' independent housing units in their community.

Mr. Speaker, the goal of this strategy is to help seniors keep their independence. The Department of Health and Social Services will ensure that links exist with other programs such as home care and homemakers' services.

Even with this commitment, it will take a number of years to address the shortage of housing for seniors. To ensure communities in the greatest need are served first, the Department of Health and Social Services has developed criteria to allocate seniors' independent housing units by community. Mr. Speaker, this strategy is a major component of a comprehensive program intended to provide a continuum of care for seniors. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 37-13(3): Seniors' Independent Housing Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Super Soccer Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to congratulate all participants of the super soccer tournament that was held here in Yellowknife this weekend. The tournament was very well attended, with 1,400 students participating. I would especially like to congratulate teams from my constituency: the 20-and- under boys from the Chief Jimmy Bruneau School for the championship. The tournament was hard fought, but they were able to hold out and win. Other teams from my constituency also did very well and were able to place first, second, third in all age groups.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the organizing committee for the job well done. I hope this type of event can continue for years to come. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Super Soccer Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Need For Review Of Seniors' Supplement To Old Age Pension

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak on behalf of senior citizens of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, these valued members of our society are having a very difficult time financially, especially in the more remote communities. I am told by Mrs. Esther Braden, president of the Northwest Territories Seniors' Society, that the subject of high cost of living for seniors is discussed at every meeting of the Northwest Territories Seniors' Advisory Council, and that representatives of my constituency -- Mr. Abe Okpik of Iqaluit; Mr. Mariano Aupilardjuk of Rankin Inlet; and, Mr.

George Porter of Gjoa Haven -- all have spoken eloquently of the difficult situation being faced by the seniors in their communities, where often they are expected to try to support members of their extended families as well.

I am pleased that Mrs. Braden is in the Assembly today.

Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories seniors' supplement amounts to $135 per month today. That amount was last increased from $125 in November 1992. Since November 1992, Mr. Speaker, the consumer price index for Yellowknife has gone up by seven per cent. Although it is not measured in my riding, I believe that the cost of living has gone up much higher than seven per cent in the last three and a half years in Pangnirtung, Broughton Island and Clyde River.

We do know that the isolated post allowance paid to federal employees working in Pangnirtung, Broughton Island or Clyde River, which is based on the cost of living differences between Yellowknife and those communities, is 27 per cent higher in my riding.

Mr. Speaker, I was very encouraged when the Minister of Finance , Honourable John Todd , stated in this Assembly on December 14, 1995 ... Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Need For Review Of Seniors' Supplement To Old Age Pension

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin Central is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Need For Review Of Seniors' Supplement To Old Age Pension

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. ..."We cannot abandon support to those most in need." The monthly supplement from the NWT government is paid to people on the old-age pension who get the guaranteed income supplement or whose husband or wife has died. These are the less well off of our senior citizens in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, I suggest that we should carefully review the adequacy of the territorial seniors' supplement. By my calculations, if we were to keep up with the cost of living increases in Yellowknife alone, which have been seven per cent since the supplement was last reviewed, the monthly supplement should be increased by about $10 a month, to $145.

Mr. Speaker, I know we are facing reductions in our spending in the coming year; however, as the Premier stated in his address on the Agenda for Change last week in this Assembly: "poor social conditions mean hardship for a lot of people in the Northwest Territories." Although it will not be easy for us to do, Mr. Speaker, as I well know, as our Premier said in his address last week: "We must improve social conditions." Mr. Speaker, I suggest we start by looking at the monthly pension supplement for the most valued and respected members of our society: our senior citizens, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Hear! Hear!

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Congratulating Nunatta Sunakkutaangit Museum Society In Iqaluit

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate the Nunatta Sunakkutaangit Society for the recent opening of the expansion to the museum. which I had the pleasure of attending.

Iqaluit is more fortunate than most communities in the Northwest Territories. We have had an active museum society in our community for over 25 years, which has been driven by the strong efforts of volunteers.

The Nunatta Sunakkutaangit Museum Society was formed in 1969 by a group of local residents, including Joanasie Salamonie, Anne Mikijuk Hanson, Gordon Rennie and Tom and Helen Webster, who were committed to the preservation and enhancement of Inuit cultural artifacts. The society was formed in direct response to a donation of Inuit sculptures and artifacts from the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. The collection was initially kept in storage for lack of facility and funds.

However, in 1970, when Queen Elizabeth visited Iqaluit, the society installed an exhibition in the new library building, which was then still empty. That was a great success and from that point on, volunteers made continuing efforts to secure a building and, in the meantime, exhibits were displayed in spaces around town.

In 1976, the Northern Heritage Centre was being built. Arguing that a secure storage space was required to protect the collection, some government personnel threatened to take the collection to an exhibit in the new facility in Yellowknife.

The Iqaluit museum society's collection remained in Iqaluit, however, due to fortuitous circumstances. In 1976, the Iqaluit liquor store was closed to over-the-counter sales by public petition. As a result, the liquor store space became available to house and protect the collection.

At this time, with help from the Northern Heritage Centre's professional staff, the museum's collection was catalogued by volunteers, as the exhibits were installed in the new facility. Visits from school children and tourists were also arranged by volunteers from the community.

Mr. Speaker, the collection has always received proper care from the staff at the museum. Standard museum practices are maintained. The local society has worked extremely hard for over 25 years to ensure that the operation of the museum is funded and the exhibits, programs and research is always continuing.

I would like to congratulate the many volunteers in Iqaluit who have made the museum a success over the years. I congratulate long-time employee, Jimmy Ekho, and Iqaluit elders who continue the tradition of active participation with the museum society. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Congratulating Nunatta Sunakkutaangit Museum Society In Iqaluit

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Supplementary Payment To Harvesters For Wolf Pelts

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier this year, the hunters and trappers in the Kivallivik region were very disappointed that the government had eliminated the subsidy previously paid for wolf pelts.

As we all know, wolf harvesting is hardly a multi-million dollar industry in our region at the best of times. This decision caused great concern for my communities. As a result, I have had several subsequent discussions with Minister Kakfwi concerning this matter on behalf of my constituents.

Today, Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to confirm that Minister Kakfwi advised me that his department will be providing a supplementary payment to wolf harvesters for the 1995-96 season.

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Supplementary Payment To Harvesters For Wolf Pelts

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Hear! Hear!

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Supplementary Payment To Harvesters For Wolf Pelts

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Picco .

--- Laughter

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Renewable Resources will also be conducting a full review and evaluation of the industry when the trapping season ends this year.

In addition, the Minister's department is planning a series of community workshops on wolf-pelt preparation in the Keewatin region this fall. Mr. Speaker, during these days when cutbacks and limited resources are foremost in everyone's mind, it is refreshing to my constituents in Arviat and Baker Lake to hear such encouraging news.

Minister Kakfwi is to be congratulated, first, for listening to the very real concerns expressed by the hunters and, second, for approaching this matter with a degree of optimism. Mr. Speaker, the Minister's approach to this matter reminded me of the definition of an optimist. An optimist is a person who is treed by a bear and enjoys the view.

So on behalf of the harvesters, I would like to thank the honourable Minister for being able to keep the relatively little guys like hunters and trappers in his range of vision as he views the general direction of his departments. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Matna. Mahsi cho.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Inadequacy Of Federal Government Funding For Nunavut Infrastructure

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 203

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise on this occasion to voice my concern with regard to the recent announcements made by the Minister of DIAND applicable to the funding identified for the creation of future Nunavut government infrastructure and the impact his decisions will have on the capital expenditures of this government over the next three years.

Mr. Speaker, my first concern is with regard to the representation this government had at the negotiating table at the time the decisions were made. I understand this government was represented by three persons appointed by the past Legislative Assembly to represent us on the Nunavut Implementation Commission.

At the present time, I am unaware of who these people report to. Have they reported to anyone in the past six months? What are the costs associated these appointments? Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be asking the Premier to clarify who these people are and what their terms of reference might be.

My second concern is with regard to the disposition of the $150 million identified by the feds for implementation of a Nunavut territory. Mr. Speaker, a large amount of these dollars appears to be identified for the construction of water and sewage systems, as well as for community roads and land development in the Nunavut area.

Currently, this government, through the five-year capital planning process, has also identified amounts totalling $14 million for land development and $17 million for water and sewage facilities applicable to the Nunavut communities.

Mr. Speaker, I have no doubt that some of these community infrastructure programs that these two levels of government expect to create are, in fact, duplicates of each other. Therefore, I believe this Assembly must take this into consideration as we review the main estimates for this fiscal year. I will be asking the Minister of Finance questions in this regard at the appropriate time. Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to finish my statement.

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Samuel Gargan

The Member for Nunakput is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Steen , conclude your statement.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, bearing in mind the decision the federal Minister made to allow DPW Canada and the four birthright groups to be responsible for the creation of the future Nunavut government infrastructure, I do not believe it is appropriate for the GNWT to be entering into long-term contracts applicable to the future Nunavut territory. I strongly believe this government body does not have any right to commit the future Nunavut government to expenditures that they might not be able to meet.

Furthermore, the Nunavut government, once established, may feel under no obligation to honour these financial commitments. I am of the opinion that this government must limit contract terms to the proposed division date of April 1, 1999, or shortly thereafter as possible. Mr. Speaker, I am referring, in particular, to the long-term fuel delivery contract that the Department of Public Works and Services has entered into with the Nunasi Corporation for the supply of fuel to the Baffin region.

Mr. Speaker, I will be addressing questions to the Minister of Public Works and Services in this regard at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Steen . Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Community Empowerment

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 204

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My Member's statement today is about community empowerment. This is a phrase which is used repeatedly by this government and I know it raises questions in the minds of some people.

First of all, I will explain, according to my understanding, what community empowerment is not. It is not the colonial approach to government that has existed for so long in the North. Colonial, by definition, means control by one power over a dependent area of people. This conjures up an image of an out-of-touch, top-heavy bureaucracy which dictates the choices, priorities and agenda of communities; communities which may be vastly different in terms of size, demographics and culture.

Community empowerment is not a central government which sets global policies which apply across the board regardless of these vast differences. Community empowerment is and encompasses such things as multi-year block funding, community transfer of programs and services, training, ownership of infrastructure and assets, community justice and wellness. This major change in focus in the way the government does business raises many questions in the minds of the people who know how the government works now. Even with the shortfalls of the present system, some may find it more comfortable to maintain the status quo.

Questions about community empowerment; big answers. I will only raise a couple of these questions today as they relate to things that are being asked in my riding.

For example, in communities where a local government may consist of a hamlet council and a band council, which is the recognized body for transfer purposes? In my particular riding, I have a First Nations Dene council, I have a town council and I also have a Metis Nation council. As another example, a well-established shed business community, primarily centralized in larger communities has been built on the premise of the policies now in place. These businesses service and supply surrounding communities.

With capital and O and M dollars in the hands of communities, are the current policies of purchasing and tendering applicable anymore? Who pays when the money runs out before the project does?

Minister Todd , in his Budget Address, indicates that he wants the private sector to take up the challenge of creating jobs. It's a statistical fact that 70 per cent of investment for economic expansion in the small business sector comes from within...

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

I seek unanimous consent to continue with my statement. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's a statistical fact that 70 per cent of investment for expansion in the small business sector comes from within the established business community. I don't think we can expect this investment should confidently take place when northerners cannot see clearly how community empowerment affects them.

In the end, community empowerment is the only alternative. Not only is colonialism detrimental to the development of the people, it is no longer affordable. The expertise and knowledge is there at the community level; it needs to be developed. There will be growing pains and mistakes made. That will be the role of this central government: to keep the checks and balances in place that will create confidence as we proceed in this new direction. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Federal Funding Allocated For Creation Of Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 205

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to also, like Mr. Steen , speak about the funding that was announced for the creation of Nunavut. Let me say to start with that, in

summary, the federal government is providing $150 million for the transition costs which we all know about, but $31 million of this is for the federal government.

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Some Hon. Members

Shame. Shame.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Right. Now, officials and representatives from the Nunavut area spent 20 plus years negotiating their agreements with the federal government to settle land claims, but also to talk about self-government for the people of Nunavut. This was achieved in concert with the federal government and it involved extensive agreements. In my mind, those agreements imply that there would be adequate funds to run the infrastructure and incremental costs of the two territories.

It's disappointing that we only have $150 million -let me correct that -- $120 million to do the transition work, and there is no commitment on the part of the federal government to provide incremental funding. What was stated, and the only comment made on the future, was that funding post-1 999 will be negotiated by the federal Department of Finance.

To me, there is a fundamental issue here. The feds have arbitrarily decided a figure of $150 million -- let me correct that again -- $120 million for the transition costs. I am, of course, concerned about that fact, that there is only $120 million, but I'm more concerned about the long term. How much will be available to run two territories for incremental costs? That is a big question and we should devote our attention to that. We all have a responsibility to ensure that we have incremental costs of adequate funds when the time comes.

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An Hon. Member

Hear! Hear!

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I would urge my fellow MLAs from Nunavut, when they meet with Mr. Irwin at the Nunavut Leaders' Conference in Arviat -- the home of my colleague, Mr. O'Brien -- at the end of the week, to tell Mr. Irwin that there are Members upset over this and we are determined that we get adequate funds. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Further Return To Question 150-13(3): Responsibility For Education Tax Increase

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 205

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Roland on May 3rd, with respect to the responsibility for tax increases for education.

Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned last week in the House, the Financial Management Board approved a 10 per cent increase in education taxes in all tax-based municipalities except Yellowknife. In addition, the board approved an increase in general property and education tax rates of 10 per cent in the general taxation area, which consists of those areas outside tax-based municipalities.

GNWT property tax rates are set through an establishment order. Each year, they are reviewed by the Department of Finance and recommendations are made to the Minister of Finance and to the Financial Management Board. This year, the Financial Management Board decided to increase GNWT property taxes because they have not kept pace with inflation over the last 30 years. In fact, even after this change, mill rates will have only increased by 33 per cent since 1967 when property rates were instituted. During the same period, the Canadian consumer price index increased by 390 per cent.

Letters notifying tax-based municipalities of the new education mill rates will be sent out shortly. It is projected that the combination of the general property tax and education tax increases will raise $575,000 in 1996-97. The additional revenues are included in the main estimates. However, property tax revenues are projected to be only $79,000 higher than in 1995-96, because 1995-96 revenues were abnormally high. This was as a result of the effort by our government which resulted in the federal government paying about $550,000 in grants-in-lieu of taxes that were owed from previous years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 150-13(3): Responsibility For Education Tax Increase

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 205

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Don Ellis in the gallery today. Don has returned to Yellowknife as the assistant deputy minister of the Department of Health and Social Services. Don, his wife and family used to live in Yellowknife, and we are glad he has returned to his senses and returned home. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Morin .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 206

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a former Member of this House, a respected elder from my riding of Tu Nedhe, from Fort Resolution, Pete Fraser. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize Mr. Pete Frazer who is also, as I indicated earlier, the NWT/Yukon representative of the National Advisory Council on Aging. Of course, as I indicated, Mrs. Esther Braden, president; and Ms. Barb Bond, executive director of the NWT's advisory council. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 154-13(3): Status Of

Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 206

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in

article 24 of the Nunavut final agreement ... Mr. Speaker, I'll start again.

Article 24 of the Nunavut final agreement is of critical importance to all residents of Nunavut. I understood that an announcement was to be made today on this topic. I am disappointed that one was not presented by the government. Can the Deputy Premier advise me when this government will finally announce its response to

article 24 and how it plans to implement the spirit and intent of the article? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Deputy Premier, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 154-13(3): Status Of

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I informed the House last week that we would be announcing the policy this week, but I had also made a commitment to Nunavut Caucus that I would brief them fully before I proceeded. The briefing to Nunavut Caucus will be this evening and the government will be making its announcement on

article 24.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 155-13(3): Tabling Of All GNWT Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 206

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on May 1, 1996, 1 asked the Premier if he would consider publishing a list of contracts which are sole-source. The Premier replied, and I quote from the unedited Hansard: "We already have and we do table all sole-source contracts and negotiated contracts." I have had the opportunity to review the list of tabled documents since 1991 and have been unable to find this document which lists all sole-source contracts. Would the Premier please inform this House as to whether or not the government does, in fact, regularly table all sole-source contracts and negotiated contracts? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Premier , Mr. Morin .

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Question 155-13(3): Tabling Of All GNWT Contracts

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that we have always tabled all negotiated contracts as well as sole-source contracts in this House. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Question 155-13(3): Tabling Of All GNWT Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can't find them. The accountability of government to the public when spending funds must be visible. Publishing a list of sole-source/negotiated contracts would provide accountability and ensure that the public money is being spent in a manner that is in the public interest. Would the Premier be willing to publish a list of contracts and ensure that this document is indeed tabled in the House? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I'm very pleased to hear that it will be tabled and the public will be able to see. Can I ask the Minister when he expects this to happen?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It was my understanding we had done it previously on an annual basis and we will continue to do that on an annual basis. Thank you.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

As I said, Mr. Speaker, I have spent quite a few hours in the library looking for the documents, and I went back to 1991 and I couldn't find this annual report. Maybe the Minister could tell me what the report is called so I can find it and look for it. It hasn't been tabled as far as I could see.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It will be a pleasure for me to help Mr. Picco find those documents, and we will table them in the future on an annual basis. Thank you.

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Question 156-13(3): Core Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 207

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Social Services , Mr. Ng , with regard to the Tl'oondih Healing Camp, south of Fort McPherson. To date, I have not received any information back with regard to the costs for operating other institutions such as in southern Canada, Bellwood, the program out of Hay River and Yellowknife, and the costs of operating these facilities. To date, the Government of the Northwest Territories has agreed to contribute $300,000 to the Tl'oondih Healing Society which is not core funding. I would like to state that this is not core funding. These funds are an advance against future clients.

In the last year, the program has run five programs which have consisted of 220 clients. To date, they have a waiting list of over 250 individuals who want to get into this program, yet, for some reason or another -- I'm not too sure if it's political or it's based on the emphasis that because this program been established with funds from the Gwich'in land claims -- they feel that the obligation of this government is not there.

If we can afford to pay somewhere in the range of $400 a day to send someone to Bellwood in southern Canada for three months, yet are willing to pay a measly $100 a day for an individual to run a program which costs in the neighbourhood of almost $150 a day to house someone and maintain the individual in this camp, will the Minister consider relooking at this issue and consider us as any other healing program or alcohol program in the Northwest Territories which has been funded fully for the last number of years in the neighbourhood of $1 million a year?

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Tl'oondih operation has developed very recently.

As I believe I had indicated earlier in this House, there was a meeting of all operators, executive directors and board directors of the alcohol and drug treatment facilities from throughout the Northwest Territories a few weeks ago to discuss the very issue of how they would be funded in the future, how they would determine their programs to not compete directly with each other if at all possible, how to stop the leakage of dollars going to southern treatment centres so we can expand the services and facilities we have in the North to better accommodate our residents.

What I would like to do is a get a detailed briefing on what took place during those discussions -- in which the operators of Tl'oondih were also present -- before I advise the Member on the direction that we're heading. But, generally, I can say that, within a few years, we're heading towards a per them payment to all treatment facilities. That was something that was, to my understanding, agreed upon at that meeting by all operators. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question was with regard to core funding. The other operations are presently funded with core funding to operate and maintain these facilities, but in this case, the $300,000 that you're talking about, is the pay for individual beds for individuals to go through the program. Is this facility going to be receiving core funding for operational funds like any other facility?

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as it stands now, I don't believe so because there is no significant capital investment on the part of this government in the Tl'oondih operation. The other alcohol and drug treatment centres have had significant contributions from this government, so we have a responsibility to provide some core funding to them to provide services. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that's the point I'm trying to hit on: the whole question about fairness. You were saying that you were willing to contribute to facilities that you have developed infrastructure for -- Delta House, programs in Hay River and also alcohol treatment programs in the Baffin and within the Yellowknife region -yet they do not have to pay the costs of operating and maintaining these buildings because this government pays for that.

My point is that I don't think this facility should be treated any differently than any facility, regardless of whether it's a private facility or built in the Northwest Territories by this government. In order to be fair to this program as suggested, it's a new program which is in its

second year, but in order for us to continue this program, we have to have the adequate resources to maintain and operate this facility. At this point in time, the Gwich'in have contributed in the range of $3 million to this program; it cost $1.3 million to build this facility out of land claims funding.

Did you get the question?

--- Laughter

The question was, will this government agree to treat the Tl'oondih Healing Society similar to any other program you have running in the North, when it comes to core funding.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we believe we've treated them fairly and we have negotiated a per them rate based on the projected clients who would go through the system to assist in covering off some of their costs. You have to determine what costs you are trying to cover off. We can't expect, as a government, to return all their capital investment of that operation in a relatively short time period when they have made a significant investment in that facility. We can expect to give them some form of return, but it is a matter of what is seen as satisfactory.

As it stands now, we think there is a fair rate that has been put forward and negotiated. It continues to be discussed with their operators. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final question has been raised time and time again in trying to resolve this process in a speedy and quick manner, as well as in a fair manner. The more I raise this issue, the more I come to the understanding that it seems. like something isn't fair. Because an individual group has settled a land claim agreement doesn't make us any less than anyone else in the Northwest Territories. Under our land claim agreement, it is clearly stated that we are not to be treated any less than any individual Canadian, whether it is program services or establishing facilities.

This is the only facility in Canada that offers the potential to families to be treated in one facility. It is the only family program that has been established. Presently, we have individuals operating that facility from Bellwood; the same facility we are sending people to from here. They are now working on behalf of the Gwich'in Health Society to run that program.

I don't see how we can be any worse off than a southern institution that has the same individuals running it. I strongly feel that there is some question of fairness here, especially with regard to groups that have settled land claim agreements and are starting to use their resources to do something that this government is presently responsible for when it comes to programs and services.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

There was no question there. I would like to remind the Members that they have a

preamble and their questions follow that. Members have a

preamble and four questions. There shouldn't be continuous

preamble, clarification of

preamble, followed by

preamble and then questions following that. We only have one hour and I would like to give every Member an opportunity. If Members keep repeating their

preambles, there will be less questions asked by Members. There was no question there. Mr. Krutko .

Point Of Order

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Point of order, Mr. Speaker. There was a question in my statement. It was a question of fairness. I want him to answer the question with regard to being fair to an aboriginal group because of comprehensive claims versus programs being delivered and other arrangements where there are no land claim agreements.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

That is a hypothetical question. I don't know how the Minister can respond. Would you like to respond, Mr. Ng ?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would respond by saying that we have tried to accommodate the Tl'oondih operation by negotiating a fair per them that would assist them towards their operational costs and there continues to be ongoing negotiations to further expand some of the services they may be able to offer, so we can hopefully increase the clients and the funding that would go towards their operation. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is in relation to the upcoming forest fire season and will be addressed to the Minister of Renewable Resources . I understand that Renewable Resources is in the process of developing guidelines to give communities increased authority to make decisions on fire management and control this summer.

I also understand that there is a predetermined spending limit to conduct an initial attack using local resources and that the Minister has advised community leaders of this initiative if they wish to participate. How much will this spending limit be?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the spending limit will be $20,000.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Could the Minister tell me, if the communities do not wish to participate in this, what are the alternatives for the communities?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if the community does not wish to exercise this option, the Department of Renewable Resources, through its firefighting staff, will carry on with that responsibility. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I am also aware that three CANSOs are to be under contract for the firefighting season. I wonder if the Minister could tell me where those CANSOs will be based.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, tentatively, they are going to be located at Lutsel K'e, Deline and Wha Ti. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I wonder if the Minister could tell us how long the contract on the CANSOs that have been contracted to do this work is.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the contract for the provision of three CANSOs is for one year, with the option for an additional two years. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Premier with regard to my Member's statement. I wonder if the Premier could inform us as to who the three representatives are for the territorial government on the Nunavut Implementation Commission.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Joe Ohokannoak, Guy Alikut and Kenn Harper.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, could the Premier advise us when the last time these people reported to the territorial government was and to whom did they report?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The NIC reports as a collective group, but they don't report as individuals. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, are there any costs associated with these appointments, to this government?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that all the costs are associated with the federal government and they pick up the cost.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, considering the unfavourable decisions made recently by the federal government, apparently on the advice of NIC, should we not be reconsidering these appointments?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These appointments are up for consideration in December of this

year. I guarantee that we will reconsider who will be sitting on this commission. Thank you.

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Question 159-13(3): Federal Funding For Nunavut Implementation

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier and it is in relation to the statement that Mr. Ootes made earlier concerning the money that will be spent in implementing Nunavut. Considering the fact that NTI had felt they needed $300 million to implement Nunavut and are only going to be receiving $150 million, $30 million of which the feds will use for themselves, is that enough to implement Nunavut?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, after hearing the federal government's numbers and listening to Mr. Irwin last week when I met with him, we, too, as a government have some concerns about the numbers. We have some concerns about what Nunavut would look like April 1, 1999. This week, we will be coming out with a position as a government on what we see these numbers meaning. We will be meeting with NTI, as well as the federal government, in Arviat this weekend and hopefully we will get some clarification on the numbers and we will definitely be getting clarification on the role of the GNWT in the whole process. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is it the intention of this government to implement Nunavut at all costs, even if this money is not enough?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In previous assemblies and also in this Assembly, we have supported Nunavut. This Assembly has supported the people's right to govern themselves and will continue to do that. We will also look at the fiscal reality. We will meet with our partners on this whole issue, NTI and the federal government, to discuss it this weekend and hopefully we can come out with a very concrete proposal and direction we are going in.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 1, too, support Nunavut, as I am sure all the MLAs in this House do. However, if there isn't enough money to implement Nunavut coming from the federal government, that probably means that some of the money might have to come from the GNWT's budget. If this happens, how will it affect the territory that is left over here in the West? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We haven't got to that level of detail yet. We have just gotten these numbers from the federal government on transition costs. I believe it is $117 million, after you subtract the federal government's presence in the North and what that costs. We will consider that. We are concerned, as well as Members of this Assembly, about the numbers and what type of territories we will have. We are going to have two new territories April 1, 1999.

We do want two territories that are financially viable and we don't want layers upon layers of government and our community people getting hit or taking the brunt of the blow and not receiving adequate programs and services because of the cost of too much government. We are going to take a serious look at that and we will report back to the Members. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 160-13(3): Status Of Training For Community Empowerment

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With respect to my Member's statement today, one of the key elements of community empowerment is training. I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for community empowerment; the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . There has been a lot of concern raised about the ability of the leaders at the community level to deal with the transfer initiatives. In our community particularly, it was raised with respect to seeing their budgets out of a deficit situation. If there is a program, we should all take that one.

I wonder if she could update the House on the status and nature of any proposed or currently under way training to prepare community leaders and work this further transfer of responsibility. Thank you.

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Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the concern from the riding of Hay River. I think all of these concerns are the same in all areas of the NWT because leaders need to be trained to take over

responsibilities and training is a very important part of this objective.

Also, our officials in the department are working towards this end to ensure that communities get trained. Our officials are working to train the community leaders, so they can take over the transfers in an orderly fashion. Transfers are still going ahead and more and more communities are coming up with proposals to take over programs that this government currently runs. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would it be possible for the Minister to provide to the House prototypes of the training packages and the types of training that will be available to the communities? It will be interesting to see what is included.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I can provide you with this information. Thank you.

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