Debates of Feb. 21st, 1997

This is page numbers 769 - 801 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Community Development Approach To Empowerment

Scouting And Guiding Week In Canada

Yellowknife Scouting And Guiding Movement

GNWT Telephone Directory

Light Reading Materials

Passing Of Inuvik Elder Effie Rogers

Congratulations To Bruce Rigby

NWT Birth Rate

Passing Of Arviat Elder Lucy Aiyarani

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Future Of The NWT Power Corporation

Iqaluit Ers Training Funds

Impacts Of Communications Privatization

Lease Arrangements Beyond Division

Nationwide Academic Tests

NWT Arts Council Funding Guidelines

Allocation Of Polar Bear Quotas

Hunter Traffic Between Rae And Colomac

Use Of Equipment At Delta House

Post Division Power Corporation Structure

Funding For Revenue Initiatives

Implementing Plan 2000

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation For Standing Committee Consideration Of Alcohol And Drug Strategy

Recommendation For Health And Social Services Support Of Key Fas/fae Priorities

Recommendation To Hold Fort Simpson Projects, Group Home And Violence Shelter Pending Final Decision On Use Of Hospital

Recommendation That Inuvik And Iqaluit Hospital Replacements Begin In 1998/99

Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 769

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 57-13(4): Community Development Approach To Empowerment

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and good morning. Mr. Speaker, today I will provide Members with information on the development tools the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has prepared to help communities become empowered.

Mr. Speaker, since community empowerment is community driven, communities set the pace and decide when they want to pursue greater opportunities. Our job, Mr. Speaker, is to facilitate the empowerment process by providing the tools, training and support. Mr. Speaker, community development is not an overnight process. We expect to be in this business for some time, as communities move from one level to another along the continuum of empowerment.

The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and other government staff are working together on a number of community development approaches that will provide support. My department has held workshops, developed resource materials and provided training to empowerment resource people in the communities. A community-based planning workshop was held last summer to train regional government staff in community-based planning and assessment. These training sessions were not just for MACA staff, they involved staff from all departments who work in communities and will assist in the community-based planning process.

A Training Information Fair was also held to streamline government training resources and strengthen training support networks. A Training Resource Catalogue for communities was compiled which lists all the government training resources available to elected officials, boards and agencies, community staff, government staff and the public. Copies of the Training Resource Catalogue were sent to community empowerment resource staff for further distribution to communities. Members of this Assembly also received a copy. Staff are also working to co-ordinate information on training from other sources and through programs like the Nunavut Unified Human Resource Development Strategy.

Late last year, community empowerment orientation workshops were held in all regions. These regional workshops increased awareness of community empowerment, developed a consistent approach to community development activities, and developed government staff to fulfil their role as regional resources to communities. Regional staff are now beginning their travels to communities to carry the message and have the necessary discussions at the local level.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to report that departments have formed interdepartmental teams at the regional level to plan information sessions for each community. MACA is co-ordinating these efforts and a greater understanding of the Community Empowerment Initiative is growing.

Recently, I provided all Members with copies of our newest resource kit called, "Stepping Forward: Putting Vision Into Action". This resource kit will assist northern communities in determining how to take increased responsibility for programs and services to better meet local needs. Skill development workshops are planned for community resource people. These workshops will develop local skills and confidence so communities can begin the visionary planning process. For those communities with identified training needs, training opportunities are available.

Training is a shared responsibility between the individuals who will receive it, the communities who want and support it and this government who has available resources.

Our government departments continue to offer over 130 training opportunities to elected officials, boards and agencies, community staff, territorial government staff and the public. Regional interdepartmental teams are working in partnership with communities, to determine where training gaps exist and to focus training efforts to fill those gaps.

We recognise that communities are at different levels of readiness and ability. Several communities have already taken over certain areas of control from the territorial government. Many others have expressed keen interest but want more information on the initiative before forging ahead. Communities have many questions for empowerment resource people. I welcome their questions, suggestions and input.

Mr. Speaker, community empowerment starts and ends with people in our communities. It is our responsibility to help people take on more responsibility by providing them with the necessary tools, resources, training and support so they can empower themselves. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 57-13(4): Community Development Approach To Empowerment

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 58-13(4): Scouting And Guiding Week In Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during this past week, there have been a number of displays in the Great Hall that celebrate the history of scouting and guiding in the Northwest Territories. These displays have been set up to celebrate Scouting and Guiding Week which is being held from February 16th to 22nd this year. This week was chosen because it marks the birthdays of Lord Robert and Lady Olive Baden-Powell, who founded the scouting and guiding movements. This week also marks the 90th anniversary of scouting in Canada.

Scouting and guiding started in the Northwest Territories in the late 1930's. There are currently 290 scouts in seven communities across the Northwest Territories, while there are 800 guides, most of whom live in communities outside of Yellowknife.

Scouting and guiding encourages young people to become resourceful and responsible members of the community through self improvement and service to others. Activities include visits to community organizations, talks from visiting experts in a number of fields, crafts, camping and other outdoor activities.

Scouting and guiding also gives young people opportunities to learn about other countries and other cultures through international travel. Last year, 12 boys from Yellowknife went to the World Jamboree in the Netherlands. This year, more than 35 youth from Yellowknife and Inuvik are planning to go to the Canadian Jamboree in Thunder Bay in July. A group of boys from Yellowknife are currently working to raise funds to go to a World Jamboree in Chile. Guides from the Northwest Territories have also travelled throughout Canada and the world, with recent group trips to Alaska and Mexico.

Mr. Speaker, scouting and guiding is made possible by adults in many Northwest Territories communities who regularly volunteer their time to lead groups. There are approximately 65 scout leaders in the NWT and 130 guide leaders. In addition, many people from communities speak to groups and assist them in their various activities.

Scouting and guiding offer young people many opportunities to learn about the world around them, to develop teamwork and leadership skills and take

part in healthy activities. I am pleased to recognise Scouting and Guiding Week in the Northwest Territories. I wish all scouts and guides the best for the coming year as they carry out their many interesting and exciting activities across the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 58-13(4): Scouting And Guiding Week In Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Yellowknife Scouting And Guiding Movement

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My honourable colleague, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment spoke on the importance of the scouting and guiding movement in the NWT. I would like to follow up with a few comments on the importance of that movement here in Yellowknife. This week has been Baden-Powell Week, a nationally recognised celebration of Lord and Lady Baden-Powell, the founders of the scouting and guiding movement. Their movement is now 90 years old and in Yellowknife it involves about 350 young people in a range of programs for all ages. As Mr.

Dent noted, these programs can take members to jamborees across the country and around the world. Closer to home, members enjoy activities that emphasize outdoor skills, personal development and community involvement.

Tonight, many members of the local scouting and guiding scene will join a torchlight procession from City Hall to the Legislative Building. A reception in the Great Hall in our building will follow the parade, beginning at 6:00 p.m. I hope that those of you who are here today will also be able to attend. If you cannot make it, I hope you will stop by the display in the Great Hall on the history of scouting and guiding in Yellowknife. Another display has been set up in the Panda Mall downtown.

Mr. Speaker, the scouting and guiding movement is an important element in the lives of the youngsters here in Yellowknife. It provides them with a constructive and creative outlet. I, for one, hope that Yellowknifers will continue to support and enjoy the benefits of the movement for many years to come. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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GNWT Telephone Directory

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to bring to the House a concern that has an impact on the way our government provides service to its residents. Earlier my colleague, Mr. Erasmus , asked about the publication of the GNWT telephone directory,

whereas most know it as the "green book". Mr. Speaker, I believe this government is trying, to the best of their ability, to provide good service with the limited dollars available in trying to use the latest technology available. However, when it comes to the issue of this green book versus phone numbers accessed by the Internet, I have concerns. Mr. Speaker, I believe we should, in any way possible, use the latest technology to help make our staff more effective and knowledgeable. However, this may be fine for communities that can access all this new technology. It does not hold much water for the smaller communities that do not have this luxury.

Mr. Speaker, it is important for our government to be able to give access for all of our residents, not just the ones who can access the Internet. Many boards and agencies rely on this green book to get the required information from the right employees, not having to make numerous calls in order to find a person you need to talk to. This can be very expensive, considering the high cost of phone service that we in the north have to pay. Mr. Speaker, there must be some way that we can get a new phone listing of our people in a cheaper and efficient manner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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GNWT Telephone Directory

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Light Reading Materials

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when we came to this House as new Members, we were informed that Friday mornings were supposed to be a little light and a little jovial so I will try and do my part. As MLAs we are required to do significant amounts of reading as part of the job, we deal with high volumes of correspondence and are expected to read binders full of information as part of the job. I expect other Members feel this to be a burden at times as the material can be very dry and we are forced to keep a clear head and digest all that we read.

There is not much opportunity for light reading or even entertaining reading material but when there is, it sometimes proves to be worth sharing. Mr. Speaker, I refer to an

article on page 664 of the unedited version, Hansard of February 4, 1997 when I thought my mind was truly going. Mr. Speaker, I was aghast to read that the honourable Minister of Finance stated, and I quote, "I do not have underwear right now because our agenda is so full..."

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Light Reading Materials

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, had I an extra pair of underwear that day, I would have gladly lent it to Mr. Todd . I do not think anyone should have to suffer that embarrassment. Another such case of light reading comes to mind when I read the February 5th editorial in the Yellowknifer on page seven, paragraph two, regarding the City of Yellowknife appointment of Mr. Bob Brooks as alderman replacing Mr. Dalton. The

article talked about Mr. Brooks and the quote was about Mr. Brooks, "he is a respected member of the Yellowknife community with the record of public service including council experience".

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Our city council should feel privileged that they had an opportunity to find such a well rounded individual as Mr. Brooks, although I do wonder what a record of public service really means and how this service will be beneficial to our city council. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Light Reading Materials

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Passing Of Inuvik Elder Effie Rogers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today in an area of sadness. Mr. Speaker, I was informed last night, upon phoning home, that a respected elder in our community of Inuvik had passed on a couple of days ago. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Effie Rogers was born in the Delta, lived a hard life and raised a large family. It is with sadness today that I speak on her passing. I hope my colleagues and friends here join me in sending prayers and condolences to the family. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Passing Of Inuvik Elder Effie Rogers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Congratulations To Bruce Rigby

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Mr. Bruce Rigby of Iqaluit. Bruce has just been recognized by Environment Canada for his efforts in changing the dynamics of environmental research in the Northwest Territories, by building bridges between scientists and northern communities. Mr. Speaker, Bruce and I go back to our college days when we worked together. Today, he is the director of the Nunavut Research Institute.

The award, well known as the Patricia Roberts Pichette Award, is for those who have demonstrated enthusiastic leadership and commitment to advancing ecological monitoring and research in Canada. Bruce is also widely known for his successful work on behalf of the college with fund raising and accessing third party funding to continue the work of the Nunavut Research Institute. Mr. Speaker, through his work at the institute, which is part of the Nunavut Arctic College, Mr.

Rigby has achieved this by promoting and developing ways in which community and educational institutions can have a greater role in local environmental monitoring programs. Mr. Speaker, I am proud to call Bruce a friend and a constituent of Iqaluit. Congratulations Bruce. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Congratulations To Bruce Rigby

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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NWT Birth Rate

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is about the birth rate in the Northwest Territories and the potential effects of this. Mr. Speaker, we often speak about the forced growth in the Northwest Territories. Our birth rate is three to five times higher than the national average. Of course, this means spiralling costs for education, health and social services. Many of our young people are having babies in their teens and this should cause us even greater alarm, Mr. Speaker, than the fiscal reality that it costs money. I am talking about the potential for spreading infectious diseases. Last week, there was an

article in the Globe and Mail concerning the spread of HIV, AIDS, and I would just like to read a little bit out of it.

"The epidemic of HIV infection appears to be growing especially among drug users and young people of both sexes who Health Canada officials say are ignoring warnings about risky sex. The average age for new infections is now 23 years of age down from 32 in the early 1980s. This means that a significant number of people now being diagnosed with HIV must have been infected as teenagers because there can be a long delay between contracting the virus and diagnoses.

The rate of new infections has declined dramatically among older Canadians who are apparently taking precautions because they have seen the illness and death among their peers but it has climbed among those in their teens and early 20s, Health Canada said. The fact that the average age is 23 means that half of all new cases occur in people 23 years of age and younger. If we are going to prevent new infections we will have to aim at a much younger population," said Dr. Sutherland from Health Canada.

Mr. Speaker, our young people are our most precious resource and I urge this government to develop and implement a program so we can reach our young people and get them to at least take precautions if they insist on having sex at such a young age. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Passing Of Arviat Elder Lucy Aiyarani

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I also rise today on a sad note. My home community of Arviat has lost one of its most respected elders and a good friend of mine, Lucy Aiyarani died this week in Arviat. Lucy is also the only living aunt of one of our Members here, John Ningark , and the mother of a very well-known entertainer in the Keewatin, Charley Panagoniak. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Passing Of Arviat Elder Lucy Aiyarani

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Return To Question 342-13(4): Impact Of Communications Privatization

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Erasmus on February 19th, on the impact of communications privatization. Since 1967, the government has had a switchboard service in Yellowknife. Originally this was combined with a receptionist service in the Laing Building. An internal phone book in a green binder was also provided. The GNWT has now outgrown these approaches.

All other provinces and territories provide phone number information through the public phone book's blue pages and an internal phone list on the Internet. The GNWT is now moving to that same approach.

Special attention has been given to the blue pages in the NorthwesTel 1997 phone book, so they will be helpful to the public. Communications co-ordinators in all departments are aware of the importance of keeping their electronic phone list up-to-date. Systems and communications are working on an additional access point. Soon any employee with a computer and access to e-mail will be able to download a copy of the phone book in the same way employees download Hansard. I believe that the impacts of these changes will be a positive one. Thank you.

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Return To Question 342-13(4): Impact Of Communications Privatization

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize in the gallery Mrs. Pat Thomas from the NWTTA. I would like to confirm that the NWTTA is represented by Mrs. Pat Thomas to recognize the legitimate representative of the teachers in Nunavut. There was no other endorsement extended or implied with regard to visitors in the gallery yesterday. Welcome Pat.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a pleasure today to introduce a constituent from Hay River, a long-time resident recently retired from a long career with Northland Utilities and now a part-time assistant in my constituency office, June Erickson.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a good friend of mine from Baker Lake, a businessman, a sometimes friend of Mr. Todd , also the deputy Mayor of Baker Lake, President of Keewatin Chamber of Commerce, and Vice-chair of the Keewatin Education Council, Mr. Glen McLean.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to welcome everybody. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 363-13(4): Future Of The NWT Power Corporation

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Deputy Premier. In the newsline print that we get on a daily basis for February 21st it indicates the NWT Power Corporation and the Workmens' Compensation Board will remain intact after division. The decision was made in Cambridge Bay at the meeting of the Nunavut Implementation Commission, GNWT and the federal Minister of Northern Affairs.

Could the Deputy Premier clarify the government's position on the process that will be involved in the final disposition, as to the structure of the NWT Power Corporation and the Workmens' Compensation Board and the role this Legislative Assembly will play with the 24 Members duly elected that sit here? Thank you.

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That was two questions. The Deputy Premier.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I would clarify that decision made in Cambridge Bay was amongst the Nunavut Leadership and the three parties. The three parties being the NTI, the GNWT and the federal government. The decision was to support the position of the Nunavut Implementation Commission, which suggests the Power Corporation and the WCB remain intact after division to provide shared services to both the western and Nunavut territory. The final decision to be made by the GNWT, in consideration of recommendations of that decision and all MLAs.

If I could exercise my discretion as Deputy Premier in the absence of the Premier , I will ask the Minister of the Power Corporation to answer the second part of that question.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Deputy Premier has said, this House will have to be intimately involved in any final decision. I know in speaking to Mr. Miller from the CBC yesterday, I was very clear and I believe he taped my response. I said it was my position that I would recommend to this House the Power Corporation remain as one entity through division, but there would have to be a decision in this House before that could be finalized.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Deputy Premier reconcile his comments about the GNWT supporting the position that both organizations remain intact and how that will not prejudice or detract from the dialogue and debate that has to take place in this House before a final decision is made. Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I believe the position of the government has been clear. In general we support the recommendation by the NIC to keep those two agencies intact, because of the reasons they have provided and the reasons that we see. But, also, to be very clear, the final decision will have to be made by this House in which the western Arctic Members are a part of. They will be fully informed and will be a part of the decision making group.

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Question 364-13(4): Iqaluit Ers Training Funds

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 773

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, last week I asked the Minister of Transportation about the possibility of diverting some of the royalties from the Iqaluit Airport fuel sales, to help offset the upgrading and training for the ERS, or emergency response service, for Iqaluit. Can the Minister commit to looking at this possibility for safety's sake? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

No, Mr. Speaker, we would not be prepared to do that at this time. The fact of the matter is, the revenues generated from POL operate in the revolving fund. It would be inappropriate for us to divert from the course we have. If there is requirement for additional expenditures to meet the requirements in Mr. Picco 's riding, he has to debate and argue that in the House, seek support for it in committee and get the territorial Minister to support it. You cannot divert a revolving fund as it relates to POL products so it can take care of a particular situation in his particular riding at this time. Nyet.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

I see the Minister is learning Russian. Mr. Speaker, the situation here is the ERS is going to be phased out. I think we have come to that realization and eventuality. The airport fire department in Iqaluit are trained to fight fires. The volunteer department in Iqaluit do not have the proper equipment to respond. If we cannot get money out of the revolving fund, is it possible to have a portion of the fuel sales, the royalties of same, or maybe an extra tax or something, so we can generate the funds to pay for the $260,000, I think it is, to upgrade the truck and also to provide that training?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Dosvedanya, Comrade Picco. Mr. Speaker, the reality is, it is not just Mr. Picco 's riding. We have had to do the same thing in Ikaluktutiak. We have had to do it in other constituencies and the answer is no. There is a budgetary process in place, committee structure, and that is the process we have to deal with. I understand he has to represent his constituency as the MLA, but the reality is it was part of a fiscal restraint process. That was one of the areas it was felt had to be cut. It was not cut just in Mr. Picco 's riding. It was cut in others, comrade.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable comrade just told me no again. Mr. Speaker, my question is this. I have to clarify, you cannot compare apples

and oranges. The phasing out of the ERS in Iqaluit had nothing to do with the budgetary response of this government. The ERS was cut in Iqaluit because federal regulations said we did not need it. The federal regulations do not take into account, the geographic location, the transportation hub that is Iqaluit. We do not have any roads. All we have is an airport. I know we do not have the six million passengers or whatever level we need, but we also do not have the fire fighting equipment if it is phased out.

So, my question to the Minister is, he is talking about bringing it up through the committee level, talking it here and talking it there. That is great, that is fine and wonderful, but it does not give me the help I need, the help my community needs.

I am asking the Minister, what course of action should I take so this government can help me with the five million litres of fuel that is sold by this government in Iqaluit to generate the extra revenue so we can, at least, find the $260,000 to fight the fires? I know the Transportation Minister is helping me here with this but we have to find these funds. I am trying to find it from on-site in Iqaluit, not take it from anywhere else, but take it from there. Maybe he can try to help me with this.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My honourable colleague is correct. It is a safety complaint and we are concerned about safety. Here we have Fort Simpson, Cambridge Bay, have all lost them. Is he asking me as the Finance Minister , to look at revenue generation in a narrow focus just for his riding? I am saying to him that is inappropriate. The decision was made by the federal government to get out of this business for a variety of reasons. That is not a decision we made. That is a decision Doug Young made when he was Minister of Transportation when I was the Minister of Transportation .

I am not prepared to look here today at one particular riding as though a way of generating revenue is for them. We have to look at the big picture here. I know Mr. Picco wants to look at the big picture. We have a responsibility, not just to people in Iqaluit, but to people in Rankin Inlet, Baker Lake, and Cambridge Bay. The kind of questioning is inappropriate.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the government of the Northwest Territories represents every person in the Northwest Territories. I did not imply that I am asking for favouritism. All I am saying is there are 5 million litres worth of fuel sold directly in the Iqaluit Airport. Maybe we could use some of this money to offset this training. This is a serious safety concern in Iqaluit because our volunteer fire department does not have the equipment to fight a fire at the airport. They do not have the training. There is a liability issue here. We have already had a crash of a CF-18 in my community.

We had a 747 Jumbo Jet come down. Did that happen in any of these other communities? No. My question to the Minister is, can he tell me how I can generate revenue or off-site sales or something, so we can provide the extra $260,000? That is what I am asking.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I like it when my colleague gets emotional. Let me explain to my colleague that if we are going to look at any revenue generation as he has asked me frequently in this House, I cannot look at it in isolation for Iqaluit. He did ask me if I would consider specifically Iqaluit revenue generation to protect his interests. No, we are not prepared to do that. We are prepared, as I have said in this House many times, after we are through this budget, to spend some time, through discussion with the Members and others, in looking at revenue options for the well-being of the total budgetary concerns this House has to take into consideration.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I would like to thank the honourable Minister of Public Works and Services for the quick reply on the impact of communications privatization. In his reply, the Minister indicated that since 1967 the government has had a switchboard service in Yellowknife and an internal phone book, popularly known as the "green book", but that the GNWT has now outgrown these approaches and went on to discuss the green book but he did not mention anything else about the switchboard. Are we still going to maintain a switchboard from now on? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I will have to check into that question. I do not believe so, but I will find out the answer and give it to the Member.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I have received some complaints about the on-line access on e-mail because some of the departments are not keeping up-to-date with the people that are in their positions. With the revolving door we have had here the last little while, nobody seems to know where anybody is. Could we get a commitment that the Deputy Premier will instruct the various departments to keep their information up to date? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I had indicated earlier that is something we are doing already. We have communication coordinators appointed in each and every department and they have been working hard to get this new system in place. There may be some wrinkles in the system at this point in time but we are working on them. I can assure the Member the phone list will be as up-to-date as possible. Thank you.

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Page 775

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for division. Mr. Speaker, at the recent leaders' meeting in Cambridge Bay, a number of critical issues were agreed to but unfortunately did not get the profile they should have. Agreement was reached with reference to the decentralized model as proposed in Footprints 2 and, also agreed to by all signatories, was the infrastructure model and scheduling. Mr. Speaker, there are a number of issues we unfortunately did not get to. One of these issues brought to my attention by my constituents was who will have the mandate or the authority to negotiate leases once Nunavut is here? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, the development of the new infrastructure, as it relates to the decentralized model proposed by NIC, we have no authority over that. It is being done by the federal government in conjunction with an arrangement they reached with NTI, two years ago in relationship to ownership of facilities. The interim commissioner will have the interim authority to enter into fiscal arrangements with the federal government, prior to the election of the new Legislative Assembly.

So, whoever the interim commissioner is would have the legislative and legal authority to enter into fiscal commitments on behalf of the future government of Nunavut until such time as a Nunavut government is elected and its officers put in place. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister saying we will have to wait until the interim commissioner is approved and in place before these leases can be negotiated and, if that is the case, when can we expect this to occur? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Mic. off) right because I know it is a very important one for my colleague, and certainly an important one for people in the east. This an arrangement between the federal government, Public Works Canada, DIAND, and NTI. All the new infrastructure requirements for the Nunavut government in a decentralized model, offices, houses, etc. will be owned by NTI. The legal obligation to commit to monies that have to be spent prior to the election of the Nunavut government lies under the authority of the interim commissioner. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, assuming all the infrastructure that is required will not be in place by 1999 and, as a result, there will be a requirement for leases to be arranged. That is the point I am getting at. Can the Minister confirm that? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I think my colleague is saying if there is a requirement for housing or office space now or before 1999, who would enter into making those arrangements? Is that what he is saying? As an interim requirement? I want to repeat again, for the sake of everyone, my understanding of the situation is all new infrastructures required for the decentralized model into 11 communities as proposed by NIC, will belong to NTI through an arrangement they have made with the federal government.

If there is any pre-implementation or early need for housing or office complexes that are not in place, the person who has the legal authority to enter into a fiscal arrangement and commit dollars is the interim commissioner. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It appears the only time we can bring some closure to this issue is upon the appointment of the interim commissioner. That brings up another question that has been asked in this House many times and I hope the Minister can be a little more precise as to the timing of the appointment of the interim commissioner, and not that it is just imminent. We have asked the question a number of times in this House. I think it is long overdue that we get an answer as to when can we expect the announcement of the interim commissioner, and when will he start? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, I think we all concur the sooner we get the interim commissioner in place, the sooner we can get on with trying to pre-implement, or have a transition period as we move toward April 1, 1999. My understanding from my discussions and the Premier 's discussions with the Honourable Ron Irwin in Cambridge Bay that it would be done by the end of March. Thank you.

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Question 367-13(4): Nationwide Academic Tests

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Honourable Charles Dent , the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , regarding the nationwide academic tests. The other day I tabled a letter from the Mayor of Yellowknife. He had sent this letter to the Minister which expresses concern about getting information out on how Yellowknife schools placed in respect to the national test. The mayor pointed out that the Yellowknife Public School, which he attended as a child, was always one of the best in the Alberta system. The Alberta system today, Mr. Speaker, is apparently one of the best in the country.

Also, the mayor pointed out the French immersion students are today on a par with Alberta systems and Alberta students.

The mayor's point was the Yellowknife schools may be on a par on a national basis, so does that mean the rest of the territory is far below because the tests indicate that? The mayor's question was, and I wonder if the Minister could answer it, how did the Yellowknife schools perform in terms of the national tests? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I have previously advised this House, the National School Achievement Indicators Program does not separate out results by community. The results are given to each jurisdiction, being each province or territory, on the basis of the whole province or territory. I think it is important to remember that indicator tests, such as this one, are used to give a broad indication of how students are doing.

They are used to identify areas where curriculum needs to be strengthened perhaps to ensure dealing with a situation. It is dangerous to take a test like this and make inferences that students are performing well above or well below what the national average might be. These tests are not necessarily normed for our population in the north. I think it is very important they be taken in context and used for the purpose for which they were designed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister's answer and the difficulty he may have in coming up with information which identifies specific areas of the territories. It would seem to me that we should know this. We should know how the various communities score because after all, is that not how we are able to pin-point where the difficult problems may lay? There are obvious reasons for certain areas not performing as well as others. Could the Minister tell us if he can pursue the possibility of obtaining and segregating the information by large geographic areas, east, west, but also Yellowknife and some of the major centres? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if the Member is referring to the School Achievement Indicators Program, the answer is no. The tests do not indicate at which school they were taken. All of the Northwest Territories tests look the same to the markers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since it is difficult to segregate out, I really find that for many people such a test is really irrelevant, because it does not pin-point where our difficulties lie. I am wondering if the Minister could address this issue and institute the possibility of our own testing system, so we can pin-point how particular areas and schools do.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I have said earlier, we need to remember the purpose of this testing is to provide jurisdictions with an overall indication of how well their curriculum is working. In response to earlier tests, it is important to remember we have made changes to our curriculum. We came up with a numeracy and literacy strategy to strengthen the curriculum in those areas given the results from previous tests. This test may indicate, once we have the specific details, where we need to undertake a similar sort of strategy with science.

The program does not cost the Northwest Territories very much. The federal government, Human Resources Development Canada, pays almost all the cash costs for this program across Canada. Therefore, it is an easy one for us to participate in. It is a very expensive program across Canada. I am satisfied we have other ways of checking how well our students are doing through divisional education councils, divisional education authorities, and through results such as the grade 12 examinations, in which 50 percent of the final mark is based on an Alberta departmental.

Also, through the efforts of the ministry to keep track of how our students appear to be doing, I am satisfied that as part of our overall monitoring of how well students do, it is certainly worth while for us to participate in the School Achievement Indicators Program, especially as all costs are borne by the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would not argue with the Minister. It is beneficial for us to participate and I appreciate that it is paid for by the federal government. I also realize the tests do not take into account the many different cultures we have here in the north and the language differences. I do appreciate that it is difficult to extrapolate the specific areas and how they are performed.

Going back to my earlier question, it would seem there is concern by people like the Mayor of Yellowknife. How do the Yellowknife schools compare? How do they compare, and this test does not do that. I am wondering if the Minister could look at this whole issue of performance by territorial students because it will impact on a national basis when they go to apply to universities and other institutions. I am wondering if the Minister could address the questions I have posed and see if there is a possibility of segregating areas so we have a more definitive idea of where performance is good, and where performance is not good. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are always interested in looking at performance indicators. I would expect the department will continue to look for ways which we can assess performance and ensure it is adequate. We have a good set of indicators in place. Graduation rates being one of the best indicators of success in our system. As I have pointed out, 50 percent of the final mark in grade 12 is dependent on a departmental exam which is shared with Alberta. That alone gives us a pretty good comparison as to how our students compare with those in Alberta.

We need to remember each divisional education council has to have the flexibility to work within their system to find what works with their students. We have to be careful about taking an approach which might be too rigid across the territories and might not respond to regional needs.

I am satisfied, Mr. Speaker, with the current system. The Member can be assured that the department will continue to look for ways to demonstrate the NWT students are achieving success. I also would like to express some concern about the Member's indication that these national tests will have any relation to how students do in southern universities. Mr. Speaker, southern universities or southern colleges take a look at a student's transcript. They do not look at just a graduation certificate, they do not look at a diploma, you only get admitted to another institution based on your transcript.

That includes the marks on each and every course the student takes. As I have said, a good portion of the marks the grade 12 students now receive is based on departmental exams from Alberta. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 368-13(4): NWT Arts Council Funding Guidelines

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , regarding the NWT Arts Council awards. In January of this year, the Minister announced successful applicants of the NWT Arts Council, which consisted of 34 NWT artists and groups who will be receiving funding in the amounts of $192,600 to carry out creative projects. Mr. Dent further indicated that the Arts Council plays an important role in nurturing and promoting the arts in the Northwest Territories.

My question is: I would like the Minister governing this program to explain how the NWT benefits from some of these grants by promoting the development of arts in the NWT to third parties, when recipients of these grants are not required to be current residents of the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Member has pointed out the objective of the program is to encourage the development of arts in the Northwest Territories. I am not aware of grants being given to individuals or groups who are outside of the territories. The information I have shows all of the contributions as having a municipality located in the territories beside the recipients name. I am not sure if there is a specific instance the Member wishes me to look at.

All I can say is the Arts Council recommends to me who should receive these awards and I would expect they would have some basis or background for making their recommendation. If there is some specific instance the Member would like me to investigate, I would be happy to do that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate that response from the Minister. He had mentioned he was not aware of any awards being attributed to individuals or groups not living in the Northwest Territories. I ask the Minister if he could retract that and report back to the House as to a list of groups that may have received funding that are living outside of the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said, the requirements for applying for funds are the person, group or people applying for funds must have been a resident in the Northwest Territories for two years before the application was made. I am not sure there is any way we can enforce whether or not somebody has left the Territories after they have been given the grant. I would ask the Member, if he wishes, after the House adjourns, to provide me with a specific name of a group or individual to look into. As I said, the information I have with me indicates all of the applicants had a Northwest Territories address when they applied. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be asking a question in Inuktitut. My question is directed to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Minister Kakfwi . We are aware of and some of the Members, such as Mr. Ningark , have asked questions in the House. The question I have for the Minister is how do you allocate polar bear quotas to various communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the approach the government takes is to work with the Wildlife Management Board. We provide the necessary information and research and work with the boards to decide allocation of polar bear quotas. It is the Wildlife Management Board that makes the decision. It is a cooperative effort between ourselves, the federal government and members of the aboriginal groups that make up the wildlife boards. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Barnabas .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How come there are different numbers of distribution amongst communities? Some communities have a larger quota and the communities that are more populated have less quota. Why is that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe there is probably a reason for it. I am not aware of the reasons, but I would be prepared to inquire on the Member's behalf and provide him with the rationale the wildlife boards use to set the allocations the way they have. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Again, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary question to the Minister is, how are the quotas set? In Canada we have so many polar bear quotas. For instance, in Greenland there is a number set. How is the number set for the Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the polar bear population is listed as vulnerable, which requires we take some care in establishing exactly what the population is and the movement. We have done extensive research with the federal government and aboriginal groups, the users of the polar population, to establish exactly what the numbers and movements of these animals are.

Jointly, with the communities using the Wildlife Management Board, we have established what we believe is a good, cooperative effort in setting what the annual take of these animals will be and allocating numbers to specific communities based on the information that is given to us by the communities and the aboriginal organizations. Aside from that, I have no specific information on why certain communities get the numbers they do. If the Member wishes, I can try to get that information for him. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Rabesca .

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Question 370-13(4): Hunter Traffic Between Rae And Colomac

Item 6: Oral Questions

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, I made my Member's statement referring to the new problems of having an increased amount of hunters travelling on the winter road system from Rae to Colomac Mine. My question to the Minister responsible for Resource, Wildlife and Economic Development, Honourable Mr. Kakfwi , is the department providing any assistance to the band council to monitoring this road system to ensure hunters are following the proper rules and regulations? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I am not aware that we are providing specific assistance this year to allow the aboriginal groups to have someone monitor, for their own information purposes, the activity on the particular winter road the Member is referring to. Thank you.

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Question 371-13(4): Use Of Equipment At Delta House

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Page 779

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, in light of my motion to try and get reinstatement of funding for Delta House, I feel I need to try and continue to work with the Minister and the department in finding alternative revenue or funding sources for Delta House, so we can have some form of treatment program. Mr.

Speaker, I would like the Minister to inform me if he has received any more information on the commitment he made to the board and staff of Delta House to allow them to use the equipment that was in the facility for approximately three months, I think it was, while they try and find alternate funding sources. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did make the commitment to allow them to retain the usage of all capital equipment in the facility until at least June 30th and I further committed at that time that I would look at the possibility of not even requiring it to be returned to us, to keep it in the community for their usage. I was just checking into what the statutory regulations would be to allow that to happen. I have not heard back yet on that specific issue, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform me if there is a certain amount of time we are looking at before he will have this information. Will it be fairly soon, a month, two months? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since I made the commitment for June 30th, I did not think about whether or not to have the capital assets transferred back or left in the community was such a critical one timewise. Since the honourable Member has brought it up again, I will commit to finding out within the next couple of weeks what the status is on those assets, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 372-13(4): Post Division Power Corporation Structure

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 779

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation. My question is, in light of the fact this a public utility that provides an essential service and is of significant interest to the people of the Northwest Territories, could the Minister outline the process that is going to be followed to get the input necessary to make a final decision on what the structure will look like after division? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the process would be to take a decision paper to the division committee and to Cabinet to get approval for the process as to how the Corporation would be structured going into division. Along the way, presentations and information sessions will be held with interested individuals and groups throughout the Territories to discuss the issue. The final decision, of course will have to be, like the budget, debated on the floor of this House. The government has taken a position and will be promoting that position just as we have in preparing a budget. It has to be approved by the Members of this House on the floor. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When this decision paper is brought before the public and taken around, will it be with an eye towards getting feedback and seeing what the stakeholders have to say? As opposed to here is a decision paper we want to tell you about, but there is no feedback that we are really interested in. Will there be a chance for meaningful input from the stakeholders in the public?

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Power Corporation is one of the assets that we will have to discuss during a division of assets and liabilities of the east and west. No, I do not think we had planned on a broad public consultation on this process. I think that we, in this House, act as representatives and spokespeople for the people that elected us, that we represent. I think we are expecting the discussion will take place largely within this Chamber. As I said, the Power Corporation has itself already embarked on a process of advising people what the recommendation will be. The process is underway and it will come back to this House for the public debate.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate what he anticipates the time lines will be to the point where the paper with the position on it will come into this House for the debate he has just referenced? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this will obviously be tied to the whole division of assets and liabilities questioned for across the territories. It is not within my area of responsibility to set the time table for that. I expect it will happen relatively soon, certainly within the next 750 days or so. I would expect it will take place a lot more quickly than that. No, I cannot give a precise time table. I am hoping to move the process forward within the next few months if possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a critical utility and there is, from what I have heard, considerable interest from the people as to what is going to happen to this particular organization. The Minister is not able to be very precise on the time lines. Could he indicate at least when it is brought forward it will not be buried, and sort of slid through? There will be an opportunity to debate this clearly identified in the plan so there is plenty of time for the people in the Northwest Territories and in the western Arctic, and the constituency I represent to have a full idea of what they are walking into after division? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not think anything is likely to be buried in this debate. I think there will be significant interest among all Members of this House as we talk about the issue of dividing assets and liabilities. It will be part of the overall package. I do not think it will be singled out as something individual.

Having said that, Mr. Speaker, there will be parliament for specific legislation relating to the P