Debates of March 27th, 1996

This is page numbers 89 - 106 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was safety .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

NWT Association Of Municipalities Annual General Meeting

National Wildlife Week April 7 - 14

Model National Native Youth Role

Partners In Development

Student Art Council Aboriginal Languages Month

Impact Of Loss Of Telecommunications Services In Nunavut

Impact Of Wage And Benefits Reductions On Large Families

Rationale For Opposition To Wage And Benefits Reductions

Parks Canada Grants Awarded To Community Groups

Proposed Transfer Of Occupational Health And Safety

Need To Take Action On Items That Matter Most To Our Constituents

Brent Beck's Attendance At International Junior Sled Dog Competition

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Vacant Positions Advertised In Keewatin Region

alternatives Available During Communications Breakdowns

Business Incentive Policy Review Process

Benefit To GNWT From WCB Wage And Benefits Cuts

Reason For Variations In Wage Cuts Between Communities

Review Of Downsizing Arviat Housing Corporation Office

Analysis Of Impact Of New Northern Benefits Package

Question 77-13-(3): Status Of Request For Gjoa Haven Health Centre And Elders' Facility

Proposed Transfer Of Occupational Health And Safety

Tabling Of Comprehensive Overview Of Job Cuts

Transfer Of Staff Housing To Nwthc

Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp

Impact Of Wage And Benefits Reductions On Inuvik Residents

Transfer Of Mine Safety

Section To Wcb

Status Of Cost Analysis Re Arctic College Programs Transfer

Payment For Outstanding Invoices On School Project

Community Impact From Cuts To Colleges

Item 10: Petitions

Item 15: Notices Of Motions

Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act

Bill 8:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Education Act, S.n.w.t., 1995, C.28

Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act

Bill 8:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The Motor Vehicles Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel

Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr.

Ningark, Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 89

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 18-13(3): NWT Association Of Municipalities Annual General Meeting

Item 1: Prayer

Page 89

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Beginning this Thursday, March 28, 1996, and running through to Sunday, March 31, 1996, Inuvik will play host to the 30th annual general meeting of the NWT Association of Municipalities.

This year's theme for the meeting is "community empowerment' in keeping with our own government's priorities and agenda for action. A series of workshops are planned on Friday, March 29, 1996, to draw out community government views and positions on this important topic.

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to attending the association's meetings and plan to participate in various sessions scheduled throughout the four days. Senior staff of the department will also be available to contribute and participate in the meetings. Also registered to attend these meetings are our colleagues, Mr. Henry and Mr. Roland .

I went to extend to the association my wish for a successful meeting. I am confident that Members of this Legislative Assembly will support me in saying that we look forward to working with the association and its member community governments towards our common goals, including community empowerment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 18-13(3): NWT Association Of Municipalities Annual General Meeting

Item 1: Prayer

Page 89

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 19-13(3): National Wildlife Week April 7 - 14

Item 1: Prayer

Page 89

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, on April 7th to 14th, the Northwest Territories will join the rest of Canada in

celebrating National Wildlife Week. Throughout the week, the Department of Renewable Resources, schools and communities will take

part in activities that recognize the public's role in protecting and managing this valuable resource. In Yellowknife, on April 14th, departmental staff will host a special "Amazing Sundays" wildlife event at the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre. In other communities, students can ask our wildlife experts questions through a special electronic bulletin board.

Harvesting wildlife has sustained northern cultures for thousands of years. Today, wildlife provides us with healthy foods, seasonal employment for trappers, guides and outfitters, clothing and material for arts and crafts, and the skills needed to harvest wildlife and make products remain valuable and connect us to our heritage. Through land claims agreements, the public role in managing wildlife has been formalized and is taken very seriously.

Mr. Speaker, in the Northwest Territories, we are fortunate to have productive wildlife populations that are managed on a sustainable basis to provide the maximum benefits to people. We owe a great deal to wildlife and, as a sign of honour and respect, I would like to invite all Members of the Legislative Assembly to join in activities that celebrate National Wildlife Week. Mahsi cho.

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Minister's Statement 19-13(3): National Wildlife Week April 7 - 14

Item 1: Prayer

Page 89

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 20-13(3): Model National Native Youth Role

Item 1: Prayer

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, role models are important for all of us, but they are particularly important for our aboriginal youth because they show how a healthy lifestyle is essential in helping youth achieve their dreams.

Someone our young people can look up to is Brenda Kanayuk of Pond Inlet who is one of only nine people across the country named as a national native youth role model. Over the next two years, Ms. Kanayuk will travel to aboriginal communities to speak to youth about adopting healthier lifestyles.

Mr. Speaker, Ms. Kanayuk has clearly made positive choices in her life and she spends a great deal of time helping others. She holds a number of leadership positions in the Baffin region. She credits her parents, grandparents and elders with helping her understand traditional values and approach life in a positive way.

Ms. Kanayuk and the others who have been recognized as national native youth role models will volunteer their time and take

part in workshops, discussion groups or give presentations, depending on the wishes of the communities that invite them to speak.

Ms. Kanayuk celebrated the beginning of her term with the other role models during a gala evening hosted by the Governor General at Rideau Hall on February 23rd.

Mr. Speaker, the future will bring many challenges, particularly for our young people as they work to establish careers and families in a world that is changing very rapidly. Youth will have to work together to find their own solutions, but they will need the support of their families, their communities, aboriginal organizations and government.

Mr. Speaker, northerners can take pride in Brenda Kanayuk and the national recognition she has received. I am sure she will make a difference in the lives of the aboriginal youth she will meet in the coming years and help them learn to deal with change in a positive and healthy way. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 20-13(3): Model National Native Youth Role

Item 1: Prayer

Page 90

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 21-13(3): Partners In Development

Item 1: Prayer

Page 90

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this government has made a commitment to seek partnerships with aboriginal groups. I am pleased to report that progress is being made with respect to the delivery of economic development programs.

Sakku Investments Incorporated, the business arm of the Keewatin Inuit Association, the Community Futures Society in the Keewatin, and the Department of Economic Development and Tourism in the region have established the Kivalliq Partners in Development to improve business services to clients.

The partners have hired three cost-shared staff, all young people from the Keewatin who will work with departmental staff and employees of the Community Futures Society to provide one-stop shopping for the business community. This one-stop shop will improve the coordination of economic development services in the region, duplication of efforts and programs will be reduced, efficiency increased and access to programs improved.

To increase efficiency and effectiveness even further, the partners plan to have Internet services available to every economic development officer in the smaller communities in the Keewatin by this summer, improving electronic access to business information and communications from around the world.

Sakku, NTI and the department have recently decided to pool their grant programs for small businesses in the region. The funds will be managed by the partners and allocated by communities. Decisions will be made at the community level which will give communities meaningful participation in their own economic development.

During this next year, the partners intend to research and develop an aftercare program, a youth entrepreneur program and amalgamate the management of Sakku, Business Credit Corporation and community futures loan portfolios.

To ensure increased business success, the partners have established a business training and resource centre in Arviat. The centre has a library of business training material and offers training courses in two languages at the community level. I am pleased to inform the House that the training centre has successfully delivered its first entrepreneur training module: an introduction to business bookkeeping.

Mr. Speaker, the results of this cooperative effort are very positive. The partners have invested $1.5 million to assist 30 small businesses expand their operations. This investment has generated 26 new full-time jobs and 31 new part-time jobs, with a payroll value of $1.2 million in the first year. By working together, the partners were able to achieve what they would not have been able to do alone: support this many applications to create badly-needed jobs in the Keewatin.

We have to do more with less in these financially-troubled times. The projected cost of departmental program delivery in the Keewatin will decrease from 41 cents on the dollar, to 30 cents. Mr. Speaker, this translates into an actual operational saving of over $150,000 per year. The other participants in the partnership are also realizing cost-savings with improved service.

Mr. Speaker, the Kivalliq Partners in Development is a great example of aboriginal groups and government working together to better serve the public. The results are very encouraging. I would like to congratulate the participating organizations, the leadership and staff for their efforts and vision. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 21-13(3): Partners In Development

Item 1: Prayer

Page 90

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 22-13(3): Student Art Council Aboriginal Languages Month

Item 1: Prayer

Page 90

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Quyannimik, Ohaqte.

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Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a recent initiative of the office of the Languages Commissioner. The office has organized an exhibit of student artwork to mark Aboriginal Languages Month and French Week. The exhibit is based on the theme "the importance of language in our lives" and is on display now in the great hall. Je suis tres impressione par la qualite des oeuvres d'art et la reflexion que les etudiants ont accordee A ce theme si important.

Language, culture and heritage shape how people understand the world and how they learn. Language and culture form the basis of the NWT school system, and are further supported through a variety of programs offered by my department, including the language bureau, support to museums and funding for community-based language and culture projects.

Be De Har Nah Tee, all efforts to emphasize the importance of understanding your own language are very important, particularly for young people, because the future of our official languages lies with them.

I would like to recognize the work of the Uqau-Silir-inir-mut Karni-sin-auyuq Nuna-ttiar-mi to draw attention to the importance of the NWT's official languages generally, and this poster contest in particular. Cela a evidemment encourage plusieurs jeunes de partout aux Territoires due Nord-Ouest 6 reflechir sur l'importance de garder leur langue et leur culture. Quyannimik, mahsi, marci, quana, merci, thank you.

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Minister's Statement 22-13(3): Student Art Council Aboriginal Languages Month

Item 1: Prayer

Page 91

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Impact Of Loss Of Telecommunications Services In Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 91

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Yesterday, Tuesday, March 26, 1996, we were advised by NorthwesTel that they have lost all communication with those communities served by the satellite Anik E2 in the Nunavut area.

Mr. Speaker, the question that remains to be answered is what is the alternative solution in the event that we lose communication again within the Territories. Mr. Speaker, Isaac Newton once said, "Anything that can go wrong, will eventually go wrong." I am sure that we live on the edge in the Nunavut area.

Mr. Speaker, what would happen if something tragic happened in the Nunavut area during the time when the communication system was out? Is there any alternative solution that the government can offer for our area in Nunavut?

During the appropriate time, I will be asking the Premier about the alternative solutions in the event this occurs again. Thank you.

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Impact Of Loss Of Telecommunications Services In Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Impact Of Wage And Benefits Reductions On Large Families

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 91

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I have heard the Minister of Finance say that he is going to be fair and equitable in the cuts to wages and benefits. I know that he has a very difficult job. We all know that there will be reductions in wages and benefits to government employees. Mr. Speaker, I could accept these cuts if I felt that my constituents in Clyde River, Broughton Island and Pangnirtung were being treated the same as people with the same size families in other communities in the Northwest Territories. Mr.

Speaker, according to my calculations, that is not the case, especially for people with big families. For example, Mr. Speaker, I have considered the case of government employees with six children with a basic salary of $38,216 who live in Broughton Island. The end result of the new northern allowance is that my constituents with large families face a reduction of take-home pay and benefits of a whopping 37 per cent. This will happen in one year, Mr. Speaker. This is a big drop in wages and benefits.

If every government employee in the Northwest Territories with a family of six was having their wages and benefits cut by that much, it would be easier to explain to my constituents. That would be fair and equitable. However, Mr. Speaker, I understand that in some communities in the Northwest Territories that are on the road system, that same employee making $38,216, with a family of six, is only losing 11 per cent of their wages and benefits. Mr. Speaker, I don't think this is fair. What concerns me the most about this new system, Mr. Speaker, is that it is usually the longterm residents in my constituency who have large families.

Mr. Speaker, I am seeking unanimous consent to conclude my statement, please.

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Impact Of Wage And Benefits Reductions On Large Families

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Impact Of Wage And Benefits Reductions On Large Families

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These long-term northern residents are the people I would hope we would encourage to stay working for our government. According to the figures I have, a single person making the same salary in Broughton Island would only lose seven per cent under the new system of northern allowances. This also seems unfair to me, Mr. Speaker. Two employees making the same salary in Broughton Island lose seven per cent or 37 per cent, depending on whether or not they have a big family.

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate that the Minister of Finance wants to treat everyone with fairness. I would respectfully suggest to him that if he wants to be fair to people with large families who live in remote communities, he should review the proposed new wages and benefits to make sure that those large families and those who live off the highway system are not hit harder than those with small families and those who live closer to Yellowknife. Since there must be cuts, I would like to see everyone treated equally; whether they have a large family or not, whether they live on Baffin Island or on the highway. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Rationale For Opposition To Wage And Benefits Reductions

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past few days in this House, I have talked about the newly announced package for employees. I have said that it isn't fair because reductions in Nunavut will be greater than in other locations. Mr. Speaker, I also note that there is a deficit problem. Instead of attacking this government on its plans, like the elimination of the Executive and Personnel offices, which I think are short-sighted and detrimental to this government, I should also be prepared to offer constructive ways to help this government overcome the deficit. Mr.

Speaker, I have tried to do this in and out of committee. The role of the ordinary MLA is to provide the checks and balances for constructive criticism, as well as to congratulate this government when the opportunity arises. Mr. Speaker, that is why I have asked the questions that I have. I represent the constituency of Iqaluit; their concerns are my concerns. I have not forgotten that. I will continue to bring up matters that are important to my constituents.

Mr. Speaker, in a consensus type of government, where the boundaries between Cabinet and ordinary Members are not well defined, sometimes it is difficult to be critical without the feeling of being personal. I find this every day, Mr. Speaker. However, Mr. Speaker, questions must be asked, questions must be raised, questions must be spoken, or this government would be a sham. Mr. Speaker, as a rookie MLA, I have learned many things over the past few months. However, Mr. Speaker, I have not forgotten how and why I came here. I thank my fellow MLAs for their support, their constructive criticism of me and their camaraderie. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Rationale For Opposition To Wage And Benefits Reductions

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Parks Canada Grants Awarded To Community Groups

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's not often that an MLA receives good news; therefore, I'm very pleased to announce that two communities in my constituency have been awarded funds from the Parks Canada supplement to the Canada/ Northwest Territories languages agreement. The hamlet of Arctic Bay has been awarded $78,805 for activities associated with the construction of the traditional qarmaq. The Resolute Bay Hunters' and Trappers' Association has been awarded $7,500 to hold a workshop on oral history and the traditional knowledge of polar bears.

The Arctic Bay project is a tribute to the elders of Arctic Bay, who are specialists in the Inuktitut language and culture, who have successfully participated in community-based projects in the past by collecting traditional place names and who instruct cultural classes in Inuujaq School at all grade levels in Resolute Bay. The project ensures that Inuit traditional environmental knowledge and practical experience with polar bears and land-based cultural activities will be available for use in the cooperative management of the proposed Bathurst Island National Park.

The Resolute Bay Community Lands and Resources Committee and the Resolute Bay Hunters' and Trappers' Association will carry out this work. I would like to congratulate my communities on this achievement and thank the Honourable Charles Dent and his department for their support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Proposed Transfer Of Occupational Health And Safety

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak on the proposal by the government to transfer occupational health and safety from the Department of Safety and Public Services to the Workers' Compensation Board of the Northwest Territories. The proposed transfer includes mine safety and, I understand, may include the Labour Standards Board.

During the review of the business plan of the Department of Safety and Public Services by the Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development, a recommendation went forward that the transfer of occupational health and safety not proceed until further information, rationalization and justification could be provided back to the standing committee. To date, this has not been provided.

During the review, committee Members were advised by departmental officials and the Minister that in most other jurisdictions, namely the provinces, the workers' compensation boards have responsibility for occupational health and safety, including mine safety. In the last several days, a number of organizations have expressed concern to me about the government's plans. These organizations are: the NWT Chamber of Mines; the NWT Chamber of Commerce; the Yellowknife Chamber of Commerce; the NWT Construction Association; and, the NWT Association of Municipalities.

In the standing committee meetings, I was told that boards in all other jurisdictions in Canada have responsibility for occupational health and safety. Now I am told by some of the stakeholders that only four other boards in Canada have responsibility for occupational health and safety: Quebec; BC; Yukon; and, New Brunswick. The level of powers differ in each case.

I am also told that the levels of power and responsibility vary with each jurisdiction. None of them administer labour standards. Mine safety is the responsibility held by some WCBs but, again, the level of power and responsibility varies. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Proposed Transfer Of Occupational Health And Safety

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ootes .

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Proposed Transfer Of Occupational Health And Safety

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

With regard to the NWT transfer, I understand that no actuarial review has been done to enable employers and workers, the stakeholders, to determine what the financial impact will be nor has a benefit analysis been done. My concerns are as follows: That I am misinformed on the information supplied to me; that stakeholders are paying for this; that stakeholders have not been made aware of this; that stakeholders have no say in this. Later today, I will be asking several questions with regard to the proposed transfer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Proposed Transfer Of Occupational Health And Safety

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Need To Take Action On Items That Matter Most To Our Constituents

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will save the greetings until the end. Mr. Speaker, we have been busy since the swearing-in ceremony. The budget process has consumed a lot of our time, so much so that the paperwork tends to pile up on our desks. We have run from one meeting to another and it seems that, at times, our focus is narrow and quite specific. Let us not forget the reason we first put our names to paper during the fall election. Many of us stated that it was time to change the way government did business. We believed we could make a difference and that we could represent the people in a fair and honest way.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that from time to time we have to get out from the paper that seems to surround us to, once again, look around to the people who put us here and the reasons why they put us here. Some voted for us because they believed we could represent their concerns and push to change the things that did not make any sense. They wanted us to bring common sense to the process that we call the Legislative Assembly. It is for those very people that we make decisions.

Mr. Speaker, during my campaign, I compared the process of government to a big wheel. It goes around and around. From time to time, it stops in your community. The people have a chance to voice their concerns. Something seems to have gone wrong. Nothing seems to change. It seems to be business as usual. Mr. Speaker, I put my name to paper to try to change this process, as I believe many of us did.

I think it is time to put meaning to our words; it is time to take action instead of just talk. I refer to the things we have been dealing with in the budget for the people of the Territories, as well as ourselves. I think it is time to take action. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Need To Take Action On Items That Matter Most To Our Constituents

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 93

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Brent Beck's Attendance At International Junior Sled Dog Competition

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 93

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like the Member for High Arctic , Mr. Barnabas , I too have some good news to bring; it concerns a young man from the Yellowknife North constituency, Mr. Brent Beck. Brent left this morning to the Second Trofeo Topolino Sled Dog Competition. This is an international sled dog competition for juniors. The 1996 edition will take place at the ski resort community of Passo, Tonale, and the valley high above, Ponte di Legno. This event is an opportunity for children from different parts of the world to meet in the Italian Alps and celebrate together the snow, the mountains and sled dogs.

The race is open to all junior mushers who can show proof of appropriate experience in driving sled dogs, such as a recommendation from their mushing club, mushing school, national organization or a recognized musher. Brent will be representing the Yellowknife, the NWT and Canada as the only Canadian going. He will be representing us in the 13-to16-year age group with one to four dogs. I would like to congratulate Brent on his trip and he is being assisted by the new champion who won the dog derby here, Tim White. Tim donated $2,000 of his winnings so that Brent could attend this event. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 93

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Picco on March 22nd, with respect to the breakdown of the new northern allowance.

The new northern allowance will be paid to employees in regular instalments as part of their bi-weekly pay. The full amount of the northern allowance paid each calendar year will be reported on the employee's T-4 in the

section entitled, "travel in prescribed area." This will enable employees to take maximum advantage of the tax deduction for travel. Employees determine the amount of tax to be withheld from their bi-weekly pay on their TD1 form, which must be completed when an employee commences employment and which may be updated periodically as circumstances change.

I have another one, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 94

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Return To Question 4-13(3): Status Of Arbitration Awards

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 94

John Todd

Keewatin Central

I was asked a question on March 2 1 st by Mr. Henry , with respect to the status of arbitration awards.

There were no findings by the arbitrator that the government was guilty of wrongdoing over a 10-year span from 1985 to 1995. Instead, there were rulings on procedural matters and decisions on which jobs were appropriately excluded against the criteria and which jobs, in the opinion of the arbitrator, did not meet the criteria.

Several rulings have been received and there are rulings still outstanding. It would be very expensive to produce 75 copies of the rulings for tabling in the House. Instead, I will have a binder of the rulings in my office that I will be pleased to make available to any Member who wishes to review this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 94

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 94

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Krutko on March 22nd, regarding contamination of the Fort McPherson water supply.

The Member for Mackenzie Delta asked if the Department of Transportation was taking measures to alleviate the hamlet of Fort McPherson's concerns about the possible accidental contamination of its water supply from the Dempster Highway.

The department has no record of an accident ever occurring on the highway in the vicinity of the water source. Nonetheless, the department plans to widen the highway this year from 7.5 metres to 10.5 metres which will improve traffic safety and reduce the likelihood of an accident near the water source. The department also plans to install guardrails along the highway beside the lake to reduce further the possibility of a vehicle leaving the road and contaminating the water source.

The Member's question also raises the possibility of contamination from the calcium chloride the department applies on the highway to control dust. Dust control improves visibility on the highway and helps to maintain safe driving conditions. The water source is tested regularly, and the department has no evidence that calcium chloride from the highway is contaminating the water supply.

The Department of Transportation would prefer to continue applying calcium chloride on the highway. It makes a positive contribution to highway safety and reduces the amount of dust that would otherwise settle in the reservoir. However, should the hamlet of Fort McPherson so request, the department will promptly discontinue its dust control program near the water source. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 94

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 70-13(3): Vacant Positions Advertised In Keewatin Region

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 94

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, I have stated many times in this House, my concern for the extremely high unemployment levels that exist in my communities of Arviat and Baker Lake. Mr. Speaker, the pending lay-offs and overall government downsizing only adds to this already desperate situation. Mr. Speaker, my question relates to the number of positions that my constituents see advertised for your department. Mr.

Speaker, out of fairness and sensitivity to the unemployed in the Kivallivik region, would the honourable Minister please consider locating some of the jobs that have been advertised in Arviat and Baker Laker as opposed to locating all these jobs in Rankin Inlet? Thank you. Mahsi cho.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 94

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 94

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I'm aware of the concern raised by the honourable Member, The situation of filling the positions in Rankin Inlet is ongoing, it's part of the Arctic A transfer initiative that is under way. I've asked the department to look at the situation. As we examine the request of this honourable Member, I will get back to him at a later time. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 94

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 71-13(3):alternatives Available During Communications Breakdowns

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 94

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated to this House in my Member's statement regarding the NorthwesTel communication outage in the Nunavut area, the former information indicated, Mr. Speaker, that those communities in the Western Arctic served by the microwave were not affected. The former information indicates that there is no indication at this time when the service will be restored. Mr. Speaker, this statement causes me some concern. When the communication links are out, there is no way of knowing how long it will be out for in the Nunavut area. Mr.

Speaker, in this day and age, with advanced technology, surely this should not happen within our jurisdiction. In the event this happens again, what alternative do we have to communicate with the Eastern Arctic communities?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 94

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Premier , Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member raised a very valid concern: communication is very important. The safety that people feel by being able to communicate from any remote Community in the Northwest Territories is very important. I will have discussions with NorthwesTel to find out if they have any back-up plans should this happen again, or what they will put in place to ensure that we always have some sort of communication line open to our remote, small communities. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 72-13(3): Business Incentive Policy Review Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister of Public Works and Services . I've received several phone calls from constituents in the last 24 hours, as a result of the public consultation on the business incentive policy meeting that was held in Hay River this week. The constituents who called were business people and they were very concerned with the proposed changes to the business incentive policy. I was wondering if the Minister could outline for me the remainder of this process.

I understand that there was originally consultation, and now there's a second round of consultation going on; but, I'm concerned with the process because I want to know what input this House is going to have in the final changes that are recommended. So, as I said, an outline of the remaining process would be appreciated. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank You, Mr. Speaker. The NWT-wide public consultation of the business incentive policy will be completed next week, on April 2nd. The drafting of a revised policy is continuing. As I mentioned before in this House, the responsibility for administering the policy and maintaining the policy will be turned over to the Department of Economic Development and Tourism in the very near future. So, although the Department of Public Works will continue to have a role in the business incentive policy, the responsibility will be moved to another department quite soon. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What provision is there, or is there any provision in the process, for Members in this House to be involved before the new percentages of preference are implemented?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, several days ago, the Department of Public Works had a briefing and consultation meeting with Members of the Legislative Assembly, and we received some good comments and suggestions at that meeting. I would think that until the day the new policy is approved, we would continue to take suggestions and comments from Members.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 73-13(3): Benefit To GNWT From WCB Wage And Benefits Cuts

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the honourable Minister of Finance . Yesterday in the House, I asked the Minister what method he proposed to attain any of the wage and benefits savings from excluded employees back to general revenue. An example I was given was the WCB. The honourable Minister responded that the savings are not coming back to the GNWT with respect to the Workers' Compensation Board. Can the Minister explain how this reduction to the example of WCB employees will contribute to a saving to the government?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Any reductions in the overhead of the WCB would, hopefully, be passed back on the assessments to the employers. This would ultimately make employers more profitable, which would ultimately make their taxes greater, so ultimately would, even though it's further down the line, have an impact on this government. That's what I meant yesterday and perhaps I didn't explain it as properly as I should have. Thank you.

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Page 95

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Minister was not aware until March 15th that these funds were not coming back to the government, my question is how much does the lack of these funds not coming back to GNWT coffers alter his budget projections.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 95

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it's important to point out that the WCB is funded by employers' contributions and there is no direct fiscal relationship in terms of the government base funding to the WCB. The point I was trying to make yesterday is that there is an

impact if there's a reduction in the cost to the WCB because it impacts upon employers which Will ultimately impact on their ability to create employment, pay taxes and deliver

services to the Territories. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 96

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 74-13(3): Reason For Variations In Wage Cuts Between Communities

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 96

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question concerns the announced reductions to pay and benefits. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister of Finance explain why a six-year employee with a family of four in Iqaluit will be reduced by 19.53 per cent and the same family in Fort Smith will be cut by 6.84 per cent? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 96

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 96

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps it's important that we try to deal with and try to respond to this question. The principle of the strategy, which we've been trying to accomplish here and has been discussed at length with this Legislative Assembly through the standing committees, is this: The government can no longer afford to maintain the same benefits package that was originally designed to attract public servants from southern Canada. It's time to recognize the fact that increasing numbers of northerners do have the education and do have the job opportunities within the GNWT.

The change to the northern allowance is intended to de-emphasize the recreational travel and provide a fair compensation package to the people who we've all grown up with to enable our employees to meet the basic needs in the community, whether it's mortgage payments, feeding the family, et cetera.

In the process of restructuring the northern allowance package based on the principle that we can no longer afford the current package and the fact that the old package was designed primarily for a southern employee component that took place 20 or 30 years ago, we redesigned it. It's an oversimplification to use the vacation travel component and to exaggerate the percentage changes when we're talking about a cost of living allowance and not a recreational bonus. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 96

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I enjoyed that history lesson on the northern allowance package. However, the point is that these cuts are affecting the long-term northern residents who have been here 10, 15 or 20 years working for this government. That's the point. Mr. Speaker, the majority of our workers who are working at the entry level are aboriginal, at the $30,000 to $40,000 rate. My point is that these people are going to be affected. I'm prepared today to table in this House a document showing that. I'm

still waiting for a document from the Minister of Finance that was asked for last week.

Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question to the Minister is will he commit to reviewing the proposed reductions based on these inequities. That's all I'm asking for.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I obviously have a fundamental difference with my honourable colleague. We've got to deal with the principle of the strategy. I'm going to say it again: The principle of the strategy is for us to provide the wages and benefits to a northern employee base that addresses the basic cost of living in the country. That's what we've tried to accomplish. If you look at it from the vacation travel perspective, yes, there is disparity. If you take that out of the component and look at it from a cost of living component, which is what we're trying to accomplish here ...

Let's not forget that there are others out there who are less fortunate -- the unemployed, the people who can't find jobs -- we've also got a responsibility to them in the overall deficit elimination strategy. When are some of the Members in this House going to recognize that? Everybody has to take the cut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I realize that everyone has to take a cut. And I also realize people are unemployed and are on welfare; I know, they are in my family. I also realize that a lot of the northern workers who we're talking about support extended families. For example, I support an extended family so, by cutting my salary, you're hurting my extended family who isn't working. That's the point. The VTA component is part of that package. It has been for X number of years. So when you look at the total package and you cut that, you're affecting these workers. That's all I'm saying.

When I look at the cuts, I know, that they're not equal. I don't want to sound uncompassionate to the Minister of Finance . I know the Minister is grappling with this. I know the Minister of Finance is compassionate. However, I also see that when I look at reductions, for example, a family of four in Aklavik being cut 19.82 per cent and the same family being cut 8.5 per cent in Hay River, that's not equity. That's what I'm saying here. I'm asking, will the Minister address this.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

In my opinion, it is equitable. The honourable colleague, with all due respect, is not paying attention to the principle of the strategy. The principle of the strategy is to ensure that we provide a wage and benefits

package for northern employees that meets their needs. It is not designed and will not be designed in this government if we are to meet the targets that this Assembly and the standing committees worked with us on to address the VTA recreational bonus that was originally designed for southern employees. It's an unfortunate situation that over the years people have viewed that as part of their overall income. It was and is vacation travel assistance for people to go south, nothing more, nothing less.

The principle of what we're trying to accomplish here is a benefits package that addresses northerners and their cost of living. I can't address it any other way. I don't know how else to explain it to the honourable Member.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's not rocket science. I understand the principle of the bill. However, what I'm saying is I've been in the North for 15 years, so I guess I'm not a long-term person. It would affect me. I can only use myself as an example. Mr. Speaker, I know that there is a deficit problem with the government. We've spoken about it. I've talked about it. I'm doing what I can. That's the reason I brought up the bigger hit in MACA for the capital cuts the other day. Mr. Speaker, has the Minister looked at a cut across the board of perhaps five or 10 per cent of all employees?

So if you cut Ed Picco 10 per cent in Iqaluit on $60,000, that's a reduction of $6,000. It would be the same amount in Hay River. To me, that's more equitable. That's my supplementary question to the Minister. Has he looked at across-the-board cuts of five or 10 per cent?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I'm sure we're going to debate this in the coming weeks. There is no one who has received more phone calls than I have on this issue and I've lived in Nunavut for 30 years. I'm still learning what's going on. Let me try again. Perhaps my honourable colleague will understand it this way: We are moving away from a benefit that sent people south on vacation and we're repackaging the benefits to provide an economy and a wage package to meet the basic needs of the constituency. I can't say it any other way. We're doing this in trying to meet the targets that we all set, and the majority of us agreed to, in committee. I'm trying the best I can, Mr. Speaker. I don't know how else to explain it.

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Question 75-13(3): Review Of Downsizing Arviat Housing Corporation Office

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 97

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it has been brought to my attention that, with the downsizing of

the Housing Corporation, my home community of Arviat will be losing two PYs. Mr. Speaker, for the record, may I remind this Assembly, once again, that this community faces a 70 to 75 per cent unemployment rate. Mr. Speaker, to further compound the situation, it is my further understanding that one of these positions will be transferred to the Rankin Inlet suboffice. Will the Minister review this pending transfer so as to retain this position in this level 11 community where jobs are so desperately needed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of the Housing Corporation , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member can appreciate, this is my third day as the Minister of Housing and I am still in the first phase of briefing with the department. I am aware of the Member's concern about downsizing the district office in Arviat. I can only say that I will review the situation and talk to the Member about it and see how we can come to an understanding.

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Question 76-13(3): Analysis Of Impact Of New Northern Benefits Package

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question directed to the Minister of Finance . (Translation ends) I was told by the Minister of Finance that his officials have already done an analysis on the effect of take-home pay of the new wage and benefits. I asked the Minister to give us the information on Monday. To date, we are still waiting. When will the Minister give us the information on this analysis? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

(Microphone turned off) ... my honourable colleague asked me the question on Monday. It is Wednesday; 48 hours later. We are making every effort to provide them with the information. I want to ensure that it is accurate and reflective of what the concerns are. I want to assure him that this Minister is transparent and will table these documents in the House and will defend the position this government has taken. There is no attempt here, as has been implied, to not provide this information. We want to ensure the information is accurate. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This again is directed to the Minister of Finance . When the analysis has been completed, could he present this to the House, please?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Let me assure my colleague that I am equally concerned as he is on the overall fiscal impact that these changes are going to have on our constituency, particularly the people in remote areas where it appears the greatest impact will be because of the removal of the VTA. It is our intention to provide that information as quickly and as accurately as possible. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 77-13-(3): Status Of Request For Gjoa Haven Health Centre And Elders' Facility

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 98

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the record, I have lived in Nunavut for about 50 years.

--- Applause

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , my colleague from the Kitikmeot region. Gjoa Haven has been requesting, Mr. Speaker, for many years, an elders' centre and a health facility for that community. What is the status of the request for the health centre and the elders' centre in Gjoa Haven? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With respect to the health centre, the department recently received an evaluation from Public Works and Services on the condition of the existing health centre to see whether or not it would be feasible to renovate versus a new facility. We have that report and we are reviewing it at the present time.

With respect to the elders' facility that was proposed for Gjoa Haven, it has tentatively been put on hold. There is a capital program through the Housing Corporation to deal with the seniors' independent housing strategy and the Department of Health and Social Services will be working with the Housing Corporation to try to identify the needs of the community of Gjoa Haven Linder the terms of that strategy and see what we can come up with. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for Safety and Public Services with regard to the transfer of occupational health and safety and mine safety from the Department of Safety and Public Services to the Workers' Compensation Board. Would the Minister of that department please advise me as follows:

Has an actuarial cost and benefit analysis been done with regard to the proposed transfer?

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Safety and Public Services , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The actuarial costs that the honourable Member is asking about is the responsibility of the Workers' Compensation Board. I think they have done that analysis, so I would refer that question to the honourable Member responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Ootes , could you readdress your question to the Minister of the WCB ?

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Question 78-13(3): Proposed Transfer Of Occupational Health And Safety

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will address my question to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. With regard to the transfer of occupational health and safety and mine safety from Safety and Public Services department to the Workers' Compensation Board, could the Minister please advise me as follows: Has an actuarial cost and benefit analysis been done with regard to the transfer?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The actuarial work is currently under way between the Department of Safety and Public Services and the WCB. The WCB, of course, has a long history of dealing with actuaries, so they are enacting that right now to try to determine a variety of options as to how they will end up paying the long-term obligations for this responsibility when it is transferred. The current agreement, as I am sure my colleague knows, is that we have phased this transfer in over three years and the fiscal cost of it being phased in over three years is being paid for by this government. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I will address my question to the Minister of the Workers' Compensation Board again in this instance. Will the government give assurance that they will consult the stakeholders with regard to the implications, the benefits and the reasons for the transfer?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. We do recognize, both the government and the Workers' Compensation Board,

the need to be fair. The strategy we have taken is to try to phase this in over a three-year period and this government will continue some fiscal commitment. I think it is fair to say the objective is to ensure -- and I can't speak for the board - a fiscal package is in place that will reassure the contributors to the fund -- that is, the employers -- and no increases in the assessments. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I have a further question on that to the Minster of the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Speaker. When will their consultations with the stakeholders take place?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be meeting with the chairman of the board, the general manager of the board and Mr. Voytilla, tomorrow at noon, I believe. They're supposed to provide me with an updated report on what steps they're going to be taking with respect to meeting their fiscal obligations, how we're going to go about that, reassuring and ensuring both groups of stakeholders -employers and employees -- that it won't have an impact on them, et cetera. I will be in a better position probably tomorrow afternoon to respond to my honourable colleague about the timing of these consultations and discussions. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Considering that this came before the Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development, I wonder if the Minister can give us assurance that it will also be referred, with justification, implications and so forth, back to the Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I will give my colleague my assurance that I will report back what steps have been taken with respect to the transfer, the overall fiscal implications, and try to answer a number of the questions that have been raised today; and I believe they've been made by stakeholder groups, whether it has been the Chamber of Commerce or the Chamber of Mines. I want to say, in all fairness to my colleague, that I am moving forward on this important initiative and I intend, unless there is some major reason not to, to proceed with the transfer. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 79-13(3): Tabling Of Comprehensive Overview Of Job Cuts

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 99

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . There are a number of cuts that have been proposed over the last few days and weeks in different areas; not only to pay and benefits, but to actual lay-offs and positions being lost in communities. Some communities have taken, for instance, significant cuts in positions;

whereas, there is a whole raft of communities that didn't, for obvious reasons. As we go further down this path and things become clear, would the Minister be able to table in the House a comprehensive overview of how the cuts do balance out so that we're not just looking at one particular part when we want to see where the balance is; that we end up looking at the whole picture to see where the fairness is? When we do this process next year, the issues will be there again and we have to ensure, as everybody has said, that there is fairness and equity. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Let me try to answer the question, Mr. Speaker. I'm confident, based upon what I've seen in the short time I've been in this House with the 15 new Members and the fact that the new committee system we've put in place provides direct input into developing initiatives in this government; whether it's in deficit elimination or whether, hopefully at some point, we'll come to the investment side and make life better for everybody.

I think the process is set. The learning curve for those of us who are new to the Finance portfolio and those of you who are new to the House, I think has been a fast-tracked learning process for all of us. I think the future development of changes and fair distribution of the dollars will be transparent to everybody. If there is some method in which I can table it in the House, I'm sure I can work it out with the standing committees and I would only be too happy to do so. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 80-13(3): Transfer Of Staff Housing To Nwthc

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 99

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, it has come to my attention that all staff housing now owned by this government has been or will be transferred to the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. Can the Minister confirm this?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Housing , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, there is a movement of responsibility for staff housing to the Housing Corporation

which is occurring at this very moment. The other point is that the GNWT has another initiative to get totally out of staff housing. In answer to that question, yes, the staff housing component is being transferred to the Housing Corporation.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if this is the case, does that mean local housing associations will now manage these properties under their by-laws and ordinances, et cetera? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I am very new to this portfolio and I don't have that information. I will take the question as notice.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 81-13(3): Funding For Tl'oondih Healing Camp

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 100

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Social Services with regard to treatment facilities in the Northwest Territories such as the Baffin Regional Treatment Centre, the treatment centre in Hay River, Northern Addictions Services program in Yellowknife and Delta House, which are presently all funded by the Government of the Northwest Territories. There has been a program established in my riding called the Tl'oondih Healing Camp which is 18 miles south of Fort McPherson.

At the present time, it is the only program in the Northwest Territories which is not funded by the Government of the Northwest Territories on the same basis as the other treatment facilities. Will the Minister assure me that this program will be funded on the same basis as the other programs in the North?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, I can't give assurances that it will be funded at the same levels as other treatment centres, as it stands now, because some of the other treatment centres this government owns and has a significant investment in. However, Mr. Speaker, the department is aware of the Tl'oondih Healing Camp. Department officials have been negotiating with representatives of the Gwich'in, the owners of that facility, to try to reach an agreement on a per them rate for referrals of patients who the department refers to that treatment centre. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You're saying that there's a difference between government facilities and private facilities, yet you do have a per them rate for private facilities, don't you?

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not exactly sure if we have a separate rate for private facilities. I understand that we core fund some facilities and we operate others on a per them basis, based on the clientele who are referred to those facilities. In that respect, as I indicated earlier, the department is trying to work on an arrangement with the Tl'oondih operators to try to support them in their initiatives. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could I have the Minister allow me access to information which pertains to rates which are being paid to the other facilities and also what the different rates are for? Are they for a contribution or a per them rate? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would be willing to provide that information to the Member. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 82-13(3): Impact Of Wage And Benefits Reductions On Inuvik Residents

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 100

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Finance . I received a fax today from a concerned constituent. During the election process, I said I would represent everyone fairly. I want to make sure that this individual realizes that I am representing everyone fairly, not just by ethnic background. To the Finance Minister , there is a lot of concern, as you have heard around the table, about the equity of the proposed reductions. I have a concern here of an individual receiving a four per cent reduction compared to a co-worker receiving over a 15 per cent reduction.

Is the shift of the government changing from providing a benefit for the family to providing it for the individual? Thank you.

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