Debates of March 3rd, 1997

This is page numbers 1017 - 1065 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From House

National Junior Women's Curling Championships

Information Networks Development Project

Eligibility For Receiving Old Age Pension

Condolences To The Amagoalik Family

Future Of Work In Nunavut Conference

Negotiated Contracts

Gender Parity In Nunavut Legislature

Future Of Work In Nunavut Conference

Thanks To Well-wishers

Funeral Facilities In The Nwt

Constitutional Development

Technological Revolution In The North

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Aurora Immigrant Investment Program

Elders Not Receiving Old Age Pensions

Community Consultation For Western Constitution

Compassionate Travel Assistance For Students

Aurora Investors' Program

Information Available On Negotiated Contracts

Scope Of Work At Arviat Power Plant

Current Status Of Trail Cross Facility

Power Outages In Iqaluit

Medical Services In Small Communities

Joint Committee On Division

Tl'oondih Healing Camp

Written Question 21-13(4): Trail Cross Privatization Information

Reply 2-13(4)

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Appointments To The Nunavut Electoral Boundaries Commission

Recommendations For Nunavut Electoral Boundaries Commission Act

Bill 13: Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 1997

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Plan For The Location Of Housing Corporation District Staff

Review Of The No-rent Policy For Seniors

Analysis Of User Say/user Pay Initiative

Development Of Diversion Options List By Community

Development Of Fas/fae Awareness Training Program For Correctional Staff

Support Material To Assist Communities In Developing Local Community Justice Options

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 67-13(4): Minister Absent From House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend the Protected Areas Strategy Conference in Inuvik and the Deline Youth Conference in Deline. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 68-13(4): National Junior Women's Curling Championships

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the National Junior Curling Championships were held recently in Selkirk, Manitoba. There are several NWT athletes whom I would like to recognize for their accomplishments. First of all, I would like to congratulate the NWT Junior Men's Team made up of Jamie Koe, Kevin Whitehead, TJ McDermid and Kevin Cymbalisty. After a strong performance in the round robin they came up against the Ontario rink in the semi-final match and, after a disappointing loss, had to be satisfied with third place.

Secondly, the Junior Women's Team made up of Trina White, Krista Vivian, Jill Kelln and Tasha Riffel played very well in their first trip to the Nationals, although they did not make it to the semi-finals. Still, both teams did demonstrate to all Canadians what our NWT athletes are capable of, and we should be proud of their performance.

Finally, a special mention should be made of Tara Hamer from Yellowknife. She and her Nova Scotia rink gave an outstanding performance in winning this national competition. The Nova Scotia rink with Tara as second will now represent Canada at the World Junior Curling Championships in Karuizawa, Japan.

Tara is the first junior female to have represented two different provincial-territorial jurisdictions at the Junior Nationals and is the first junior NWT athlete to win a national curling championship. This was also Tara's fifth appearance at the junior female nationals, which is a new Canadian record. Prior to her competing with Nova Scotia, she competed for the NWT/Yukon. Three times as a skip and one time as a second. She has also competed for the NWT at the Arctic Winter Games in Slave Lake.

Tara is in her second year of general sciences at Mount Saint Vincent University in Halifax with a career as an architect in her plans. She travels one and a half hours to train and compete with the team in Truro while maintaining her studies. She also finds time to volunteer as a coach for curling in Halifax.

Tara received the Al Dusseault Award from the Yellowknife Curling Club in 1995 in recognition of her outstanding contribution to curling and also was the Fair Play Award for Skip in 1995, the first year it was presented at the Nationals.

Mr. Speaker, I am sure Members will join me in congratulating our NWT curlers and wishing Tara and the Nova Scotia rink the best of luck representing Canada at the World Junior Curling Championships in Japan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 68-13(4): National Junior Women's Curling Championships

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 69-13(4): Information Networks Development Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier this session, I told this Assembly I would

provide information about how the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is supporting the development of new uses for computers in the classroom. Today, I am pleased to inform Members about the success of the Information Networks Development project on which we have committed $911,000 for development and educational use of communications technology during 1996/97.

We asked school governing bodies and the two colleges to suggest projects which would enhance educational opportunities, provide maximum benefits in communities and reinforce the development of northern cultures.

Mr. Speaker, the two Yellowknife District Education Authorities will receive $130,000 to increase day-to-day use of technology in kindergarten to grade 12 classrooms and to develop training packages for educators on specific uses of technology.

The Baffin, Keewatin and Kitikmeot Divisional Educational Councils and Nunavut Arctic College will receive $326,000. This will be used to improve the technical infrastructure for Nunavut schools and community learning centres, develop an Inuktitut operating system for Macintosh computers and connect Nunavut Arctic College's three campuses into a single virtual campus.

The South Slave, Deh Cho, Dogrib and Sahtu Divisional Educational Councils and partners in the Inuvik region will each receive $65,000 for various projects such as providing Internet access to schools and computer training to school and board staff.

Aurora College will receive $130,000 to design or adapt curricula for four courses for delivery at a distance, and to design and pilot an Interactive CD-ROM for the Adult Basic Education course, Math 20.

Mr. Speaker, once the digital communications network is in place throughout the north, students in all communities will be able to participate in this type of on-line course. The network will also give students access to two-way interactive video conferencing, in which students and the instructor can see each other through the use of video cameras. Improved use of communications technology will provide increased access to form educational programs in the school system, colleges and community learning centres.

Resources like the Internet and educational television offer many informal opportunities for life-long learning for all northerners. These opportunities will continue to increase in the future as the digital communications network is developed and information technology continues to evolve. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 69-13(4): Information Networks Development Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Eligibility For Receiving Old Age Pension

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Qujannamiik. (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have mentioned the topic I am going to talk about in this House numerous times, regarding the elders, especially in the Natilikmiot region. Some of the elders are able to receive old age pensions but some of them are not able to get the old age pension yet and they have no employment. They have nobody to provide for them. I have mentioned this numerous times in the House, Mr. Speaker.

Ever since the beginning, when they did not find out their birth dates from the missionaries and the RCMP, especially in Pelly Bay, Spence Bay and Gjoa Haven, some of the elders' birth dates are mistakenly printed. The younger ones have been receiving old age pensions even before the older ones because of their mistaken birth dates. When it comes to question period, I will be asking questions regarding this area. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Eligibility For Receiving Old Age Pension

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Condolences To The Amagoalik Family

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I would like to express my sincere condolences and prayers to the family and friends of our elder who passed away on Saturday morning. The elder's name is Imosie Amagoalik of Resolute Bay. Imosie is well known as a guide for sport hunters. He made his living as a hunter. Imosie was a member of various organizations and a member on the hamlet council for a number of years. Imosie will be remembered and sadly missed in that community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Future Of Work In Nunavut Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Qujannamiik (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning colleagues and Mr. Speaker. There is a conference going on in Iqaluit. I am sure this was a very important meeting and I was supposed to be attending that meeting. I would be in Iqaluit today if I was able to go to the meeting, but I would like my constituents from Pangnirtung,

Clyde River and Broughton Island to know my reasons for not attending that meeting because I feel the main estimates are very important and I should be involved in this House when we are discussing it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Negotiated Contracts

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning colleagues. Mr. Speaker, this morning I rise to present an item of information. I have said before in this House about misinformation and how we express things. I think that also goes back to our communities. Unfortunately, when we are down in Yellowknife discussing the budget, we seem to be down here for long periods of time. We are not able to contact our communities on a day to day basis with all of the people that are concerned.

Mr. Speaker, I raised an issue about a week ago, I believe, in this House on negotiated contracts. There has been concern raised in the community that I do not support negotiated contracts. I do not believe I came out and said I disapproved of negotiated contracts. My concern, Mr. Speaker, is the distribution of these contracts and whether, as a government, we have a policy of dealing with negotiated contracts that all departments would fall under. We do not have that. I believe the questioning I was trying to bring out was that this government needs to do something in the area of negotiated contracts and bring everybody under one policy.

Mr. Speaker, I do not think negotiated contracts are a negative thing. They have benefited many small companies. They have benefited some larger companies. For the people and businesses in Inuvik, I want to let them know my job down here is to make sure that if there is any work this government does, the community of Inuvik benefits first.

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Some Hon. Members

Hear, hear.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

This is the approach I am taking. To let the people and the businesses of Inuvik know that I am not down here to make sure the jobs go somewhere else. I am here to make sure the jobs stay in Inuvik. I would like to see a more fair and equitable distribution amongst the companies in the community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Gender Parity In Nunavut Legislature

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate and support my colleague, Ms. Thompson , for her courage and insight to deal with this issue of gender parity for the Nunavut government.

-- Applause

I believe, as Ms. Thompson does, that a person, it does not matter which gender, should be elected on the merit of morals, for what they stand for and not simply because of a person's gender. In our democratic society, men and women are equal in the eyes of the law and should continue to be so. I know, in some cases, this is not so. However, this government and others throughout Canada and North America are working to ensure equality is a goal for all to reach.

Mr. Speaker, over the years, we have had many women politicians that have achieved many goals including the position of Prime Minister. Others have and still do compete for these positions with their male counterparts. There should be no questions asked as to a person's gender, but simply if the person can do the job. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Future Of Work In Nunavut Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today a very important conference is being held in Iqaluit. The conference is supported by the GNWT and sponsored by the NIC. Mr. Speaker, the Future of Work in Nunavut Conference will focus on the changing nature of work and jobs in the future in Nunavut and technologies, job-sharing, as well as flexible work times will be discussed. The creation of Nunavut will create approximately 600 plus new jobs but with the increase in population and the distance between major centres and development, we will have to find new ways to increase participation in the workforce.

The conference in Iqaluit will look at those areas. The information-based economy will need fewer workers and shorter periods of time. This will mean that fewer people may be working full-time as is the norm in the '90s. An example of home-based work in Nunavut is the interpreter/translator career field. Today it is possible and is being accomplished. A home-based translator in Pond Inlet or Clyde River is having documents translated. They are faxed from Iqaluit to the translator and then faxed back when completed. Many of these workers work from their homes with a fax machine and a computer.

In the future, there will be more part-time jobs. We will have to come to grips with this because of the high cost of living in Nunavut. It will put more strain on income support programs. In Nunavut, people want to take time out to pursue traditional pursuits and activities. This could be seen as an opportunity to get more people sharing work and thus increasing the labour participation rate.

Mr. Speaker, the conference in Iqaluit will hopefully give us some directions and answers to these questions of future work in Nunavut. I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the NIC, the GNWT and participants on the workshop. I apologize for not being home for the conference as we are still working through the 1997/98 GNWT budget. I look forward to getting home on Friday and meeting with some of the participants and, hopefully, being able to participate in the conference with Mr. Arlooktoo and some other Members through teleconferencing later this week. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Thanks To Well-wishers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time, I would like to thank the individuals and organizations that assisted us in bringing my mother to Yellowknife this weekend. On behalf of the family, I would like to thank those individuals and also the numerous people who have assisted us by phone calls, stopping us on the street, talking to us and visiting the family. I would like to tell people in my riding that my mother is in Yellowknife and she is resting. I would like to say hi to my mother. Take care and get well.

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Thanks To Well-wishers

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Funeral Facilities In The Nwt

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement is on funeral facilities in NWT communities. Mr. Speaker, one of the most difficult times a family can experience is the loss of a loved one. Through times of grief, families in some communities face difficulties with the process involved in laying their loved ones to rest. For many years, people have expressed dissatisfaction because of the lack of proper processes for funeral arrangements and the care of human remains in the NWT. In fact, many communities in the north do not have proper facilities to care for the deceased prior to burial.

In some communities, families take on the responsibility of preparing the body for the funeral either because they want to or sometimes because there is nobody else to do it. Sometimes, there are other untrained community people that have to prepare the body. In either case, they do not have a proper facility where they can do this. Additionally, without proper training, there is the danger of infectious diseases being spread from bodily fluids. Many communities also do not have a secure, separate area where bodies can be stored.

As a result, families are forced to place the deceased in abandoned buildings until the funeral. During winter months, bodies in some communities must be stockpiled in sheds or warehouses and then buried in the spring and summer. For many families, this adds to the suffering as they cannot have closure until their family members are buried.

Mr. Speaker, this government needs to address two things. Firstly, communities need trained people to help the families of the deceased. Secondly, the need to address the lack of adequate facilities to care for those who have passed on. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Constitutional Development

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we move into the final week of the budget, it is time to turn our attention, not only to division, but to the people of the western territory, and onto the issue of constitutional development. The MLAs from the west have been very preoccupied with the budget in the last phase of the deficit reduction plan. The people in the communities should be dusting off their copies of Partners in a New Beginning because work is being done to come out to the communities to seek public input and community feedback on the package and the work that has been done.

Also, to update people on the latest developments that have occurred. I do not want people to forget this issue. It is very important. There is a lot of work being done. It may not be visible to the public but the commitment is still there, the opportunity is still there and the need is still there. Coming soon to your community there will be public meetings on the issue of the constitution and you will have an opportunity to provide the kind of feedback we need, as a Legislative Assembly, to make meaningful decisions. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Technological Revolution In The North

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My comments today are on the technological revolution that we are going through here in the north. I want to speak about the fact that we need to give thought before we implement all these areas. The main area of concern I have are services almost exclusively on the Internet, forgetting that, perhaps, many people in both the large and smaller communities may not have access. While this makes it a very up-to-date method, it also means that those who are not on the Internet have to use other means. The example here is the government's phone book which is no longer published.

For people in the communities there is NorthwesTel, but if you are trying to reach a specific individual within government, it becomes extremely difficult to do so. This applies to government people for themselves. We have four thousand employees and it is very useful to have a phone book that people can access. As I said, not everyone can access the net. Not all businesses are on the net, so it is difficult. I wonder, Mr. Speaker, if the government can reconsider its thinking on publishing a phone book which, over the years, has been proven to be extremely useful and beneficial.

It is certainly beneficial for the business community and others. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Technological Revolution In The North

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Roland . This is on behalf of

Mr. Kakfwi with respect to co-operative tourism efforts with the Yukon. At this time, the Northwest Territories has no formal agreements with the Yukon regarding tourism initiatives. However, the Department of RWED will continue to discuss mutually beneficial tourism marketing and development opportunities with the Yukon. NWT Arctic Tourism, the new tourism industry association of the western NWT, is interested in pursuing Yukon/NWT initiatives in partnership with the department.

On an informal basis, the NWT does work with the Yukon in developing the tourism sector. Initiatives that are under way or are being considered include:

1)Joint promotion advertising.

2)A presentation of NWT tourism opportunities to the Yukon Visitors Centre managers and travel counsellors.

3)Familiarization trips along the Dempster Highway for Dawson City employees, Yukon Visitors Centre staff, Yukon Tourism and Parks staff and various private sector businesses.

4)Jointly agreed upon road signs along the Dempster Highway, and

5)The display of Yukon tourism information in the NWT Visitors Centres and of NWT materials in the Yukon.

The NWT also engages in informal discussions with the Yukon at Federal/Provincial Parks Council meetings on cross-boundary issues.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ningark .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. It is my pleasure to stand up before the House to recognize my wife, Celine. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize Celine Ningark, one of my best friends and also one of the many women I represent in the territories.

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Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Rabesca .

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to introduce the grade 7 class from the Elizabeth Mackenzie Elementary School in Rae. Their teacher is Gerald Brown. The students are Christina Breen, Kimberly Lafferty, Catherine Sabourin, Tommy Tinqui, Roxanna Zoe-Fish, Leona Lafferty, Clayton Apple, Colinsa Blondin, Almer Tinqui, Mark Mackenzie, Derek Mantla, Mary Alice Yakkenna, Mark Dryneck, Adrian Koyina, Crystal Rabesca and Mathew Rabesca. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 430-13(4): Aurora Immigrant Investment Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1021

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the federal government has just announced changes in the Immigrant Investment Program increasing the limits available. My question to the Minister of Finance is how will this impact on the current Aurora Immigrant Investment Program offered by the GNWT?

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The change my colleague alludes to will only have a positive affect on our Immigrant Investment Program that is currently under way. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what does the Minister mean by a positive effect? Does he see this government selling more units? Are we going to get more marketing from this type of an increase? Are we going to see more people trying to buy our product under the Immigrant Investment Program?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our fund is currently under way. My understanding from discussions with staff yesterday, is that we have offerings out there for 14 at this time. For the fund to be fully funded, we need to have 150. We are optimistic that the marketing strategy we have in place and the fact that the federal government moved quickly to approve our fund. We have our marketing agents up and running in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Korea, that we will be able to meet the target by the end of June of this year, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, having followed the Aurora Investment Fund for about a year and having a little bit of involvement when the fund was first looked at last summer, I know a little bit about it. Could the Minister update this House on what he means when he says units are being sold. Does that mean, for example, at the cost of $250,000 or $150,000 whatever the units cost price are, is that investors from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam, and the other southeast Asian countries he was speaking about have bought into our fund? Is that what he is trying to clarify? Thank you.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is exactly what it means. I believe we have 14 offerings right now of a quarter of a million dollars for immigrants who wish to come to Canada who are prepared to invest in our fund. As we sell the units, we will then lend the money out on an ongoing basis. There are applications before the Investment Sub-committee which is outside of government. There are applications before that right now. I do not know to what degree the money has been loaned out because I am not involved on that side of it. We do not want the government involved on that side of it.

That is done by an independent sub-committee, independent of government. To reiterate, I believe there are 14 units at about $250,000 a piece. There are applications before the sub-committee and a contract that we have handling this project. I am optimistic with our strategy we have in place, that we will get the $20 to $25 million we are looking for in the Territories and get that money out working for the private sector creating jobs. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary. Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this independent group is at arms length from this government, as Mr. Todd has said, I guess my follow-up question will be, what are some of the investments of this group or the units that are sold, what industries are they looking at, what areas of non-renewable resources are we looking at? Are we looking at resource industries? Are we looking at the fishery-based industry, for example, in the east? Are we looking at forestry in the west? Mining? Maybe Mr. Todd could elaborate for the people of the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is important to clarify that I do not see it and it is not set up in a way in which the government has any direct involvement in the lending of the money. That is done by an independent group of highly qualified investors who will review applications by the private sector across a wide spectrum of interests and approve or not approve the money. I think it is important to answer it that way. At this time, I do not know which parts of industry are applying for the money. I do know all industries can apply for the money. There are some limitations in terms of minimums in this fund.

I believe the minimum is half a million or three quarters of a million dollars. The bottom line is that all industries can apply for this fund. As I said, there is a sub-committee, that is not in government, that reviews it and we have little or no say in how the fund is applied. That is the way we want it. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 431-13(4): Elders Not Receiving Old Age Pensions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1022

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Justice . As I stated in my Member's statement, I have people in Pelly Bay, Gjoa Haven and Taloyoak, men and women who are eligible to receive old age pension but are not receiving it. Why? I guess perhaps one of the reasons is because they were registered years after they were born. I have talked to people in Pelly Bay, Gjoa Haven and Taloyoak and they indicated to me on a number of occasions there are people who are younger than they are receiving old age pension. Mr.

Speaker, I guess we are too preoccupied with budget and job creation projects. We tend to forget the very people who provided wisdom and life to us as MLAs. My question to the honourable Minister is will the Minister finally communicate with the elders in Pelly Bay and Gjoa Haven, get the information of their date of birth and get to the bottom of this problem which has been ongoing for many years? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will be pleased to work with the Member and his constituents on this very important issue. We do have staff on the ground in Pelly Bay and those other communities as well. If there are any other elders in the Northwest Territories who believe they are eligible for old age pension because their birth was not documented properly by our government, through income support people in the community, we will be pleased to work with those individuals. They have to come forward. We will be pleased to work with them to make sure they get their benefits and we will try to straighten it out. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Honourable Premier . My supplementary, Mr. Speaker, is will this be done prior to March 31, 1997?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As soon as we can get the names that are involved, we will deal with this issue on a case by case basis. As the elders come forward with their names we can deal with their case individually. What I would recommend to the Member, is to work with the Honourable Charles Dent , who has the staff in the community, income support people to work with those people. We will get as much documentation so we can make sure those elders receive the benefits to which they are entitled. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs and co-chair of the Constitutional Working Group. Could the Minister indicate if the plans being developed are going to speak to the need for community consultation on this very important document we gave to the people some time ago and now have to get their feedback on? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since we have been sitting here over the last six weeks, we have been developing a plan of action on how to proceed with the consultation into the communities in the western NWT for development of the constitution. Hopefully, we will be finished by the end of the week. Starting next week, on the 10th, we have been developing a

schedule of consultation with some of the communities. The Constitutional Working Group office has contacted the MLAs and all the communities in the west, requesting whether or not they are interested in holding consultations in their communities. We have received some indication from some of the communities and they would like to move ahead with us. We have developed a schedule. It is not really firm yet, but starting the week of the 10th, there are going to be some consultations beginning in some of the communities in the west.

We will be going into the communities for the next month or two and getting feedback. That is very important and required to move ahead with further development of the constitution for the west. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Given the fact that we are now moving into the consultation phase, could the Minister reaffirm the intent of this process? Is the intent of the process not to sell a particular model or package, but in fact to get meaningful consultation and feedback from the communities, groups and individuals? Thank you.

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Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last October the Constitutional Working Group, working throughout the whole summer and into the fall, developed the constitutional package. The intention now as we go into the communities, is to listen to feedback regarding this package. We are not out there to sell the package. We are out there to listen to what citizens in the western NWT have on their minds in regards to developing the constitution of the western NWT based on the guiding principles and objectives outlined in the constitutional package. There are examples of different models in the package.

That is not what we are trying to sell. We are trying to get feedback on other models that may be out there. We would like to have some very constructive direction from the communities on how we are going to live together in the western NWT once division happens. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate how they intend to go with the process for consultation? Will there, for example, be facilitators hired to assist with the process, as MLAs will not have enough time to do it themselves? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have some facilitators who have been hired by the Constitution Working Group. I could get the names of who they are to the Members of the Legislative Assembly. Over the last week, we got the facilitators together and had a workshop going through the package and some of the concerns that have been raised to date. The plan is for the facilitators to go into the communities, and all the major centres, to see what the concerns are. Perhaps we could have good constructive dialogue in all the communities as we go through the north. Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate or commit to sharing this information once the

schedule is nailed down by the Constitutional Working Group?

Once the facilitators are in place the people of the western territory will be given a clear indication through a newsletter, or whatever form is necessary, to let them know what the process is over the coming months, that the eventual plan, in terms of possible ratification in that whole area, so people are very clearly aware of this very important process. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will make that commitment as we go along with this consultation process. It is very important that we keep everybody informed in the west, so that all the concerns that have come up could be addressed and perhaps dealt with and maybe make further suggestions on how to change the package, so it will be acceptable to everybody. Yes, I agree that as things develop in the west here because of the consultation process, we will be making all the information that is coming forward available through newsletters and reports. We will be developing a communications strategy to deal with that as well. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education . It is in regards to compassionate leave and travel for students, especially in relation to the ones that find themselves in southern institutions or even the Arctic College facilities we have in the north. I have received a lot of phone calls from students in the last year. I have proposed to the Minister and asked for his assistance, but it seemed like it is never a good time.

Basically there are circumstances that creep up in relation to having the student wanting to leave school to attend either a family emergency or a funeral of a family or friend. I would like to ask the Minister if there is some sort of a policy or basically, some sort of discretion to allow the government to give students some slack, especially in relation to being able to take some time out from their studies and allow them to go home to be with loved ones and family and friends. My question to the Minister is, is there anything in place to help students that find themselves in this circumstance? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Unfortunately, the Student Financial Assistance program does not allow for compassionate travel. The answer to the Member's question is no. Regulations do not permit any sort of flexibility or individual examination of circumstances for assistance in this situation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to there not being a particular policy or regulation in place to deal with this, is there a possibility of reviewing that particular area or policy to see if there is that flexibility with this government to allow that to happen?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I have said a number of times in the past, the whole Student Financial Assistance program is under review. I will be distributing a discussion paper later this week to all Members and then we will be embarking on a public consultation process to discuss how the program should be redesigned.

It is important to say that one of the driving factors in this whole redesign of the Student Financial Assistance program is the costs for the program that continues to rise and I would suspect that the addition to the program the Member is asking us to examine, would add significantly to the cost. I am not sure that in the redesign, it will be found to be possible. However, everything is on the table in this redesign and I would encourage the Member to bring forward his suggestions for program redesign for consideration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When these students do leave Arctic College or southern institutions, they find themselves having to catch up. Is there any way the department can allow a certain time period for the student to be away from a facility before they are penalized?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the educational institution is the one that sets the standards for completion of courses. If it is a university in southern Canada, they would have to be the ones that would be approached to see whether or not there is room for compassionate leave. The same is true of the two colleges in the north. I suspect that their requirement will still be there to pass the course at the end of the time given for taking the course. At the end of the semester, the student will still have to pass the course.

I do not know of any system which would allow a student to take a longer period of time to complete a course or to carry on past the end of a semester. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The stress and tensions that students find themselves experiencing when they worry about what is going on back home, or having to deal with the whole idea of trying to concentrate on their studies and something else is happening back home with a family member. I am not saying that they can fly through these courses without attending school. I am saying that they will have to catch up but there has to be some flexibility given by a college to allow those people to deal with their grieving, with a matter, and then come back, catch up and complete the course. Is that a possibility with this government?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that most post-secondary institutions will assist students who have personal problems by providing counselling services and by taking into account their individual circumstances to the best of their ability. There are, of course, as I indicated in my previous answer, limitations as to how far a college or university can go, but I am confident that the northern colleges and most southern institutions will assist students when they have personal problems to try and find some way to help them deal with those problems and be successful. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask some questions from the Minister of Finance , the Honourable Mr. Todd , regarding the Aurora Investment Program, which I think is an excellent way for the Territories to get investment money. Certainly, it is done in all the provinces and there are different rates in the provinces. For example, in Australia they charge $800,000 for the right to enter into the country. Mr. Speaker, I would like to know from the Minister if he could explain to us, which I think would be helpful for the general public and the business community, what the fundamental purpose of the Aurora Investment Program is?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The fundamental purpose of the Aurora Fund is to provide investment dollars for the private sector to get on with developing their individual businesses, creating both part-time and full-time job opportunities. As I have said on frequent occasions, I have brought the private sector more and more into being the engine of the economy rather than the government with our shrinking fiscal resources. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that is a good objective. It is excellent. I wonder if the Minister could tell me, are the investments regulated by some strict guidelines? Apparently, there is a highly qualified investor committee, but are there strict guidelines to follow by both the committee and the individuals who receive funding from this, or companies who receive funding from this? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I think that is a good question. I think it is important to clarify that the Aurora is not like the BCC. It is not an investor of last resort. It requires solid investment proposals. There is a sub-committee made up of investment managers. There are clear guidelines as to the viability and equity and assets, et cetera. It is a very conservative approach to lending and it has an investment sub-committee made up of investment people. It is backed by Pacific Western, which is a financial group. They are involved. It is a fairly conservative approach to investment. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister clarify for us and give us a little more information on the make-up of the committee. Are they northerners? Are they people from the financial institutions? Just some clarification on that, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

The board of directors of the fund are the territorial government. I am the chair at the present time. Mr. Kakfwi is the vice chair as the Minister for RWED . The sub-committee is made up of three financial people from southern Canada, one from the Bank of Montreal, one from the private sector, and one of the owners of the Pacific Western, who are helping to finance this project. It is made up of three independent investment managers I think which is critical. We need to ensure there is no political interference in this fund. It should be done accordingly.

You must remember that this fund is independent of the government. We are there because the federal government has said that there must be government involvement in the Aurora Investment Fund, where in the past it could be private sector funds. They are now out. The reason we are there is to jump start this investment fund. There are $300,000 that we lent out, which

will be paid back by the funds, so there is a zero cost to this government. Ultimately, it will run and operate on its own once it gets fully funded. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister advise us how people contact or access the funds? Where do they get information on it and who should they contact in this regard?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is another good question. We have to get a communications strategy in place. We were just waiting on the approval from the Hong Kong Securities Commission which we just recently received. Mr. Bailey, who was the former deputy minister of RWED, has undertaken this task for me at this time. Whether that will be a permanent or a semi-permanent project, I am not sure, but he has certainly taken on the task, because he was intimately involved and we need to move quickly. He agreed to do this task on my behalf.

He recognizes that there is a need for a communications strategy to advise people across the territories that this fund is available. We will be doing that in the very near future. Thank you.

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Question 435-13(4): Information Available On Negotiated Contracts

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, as I stated in my Member's statement, there is concern being raised on the idea of negotiated contracts and whether I support them or not. I think they are helpful in communities, as I have said before. My concern is within this government, which have a number of departments that do sole-sourced negotiated contracts but there is not one policy they fall under.

It is difficult for businesses in communities, especially that have a lot of business where they are competitive, to be able to know that they are able to receive some of the benefits of this by contracting with whomever has the negotiated contract as a subcontractor. My question to the Premier is, I have asked him previously on the policy, knowing there is this concern back in my community. I would like to be able to have some material as we go back, if there is anything there on negotiated contracts.

I would like to know from the Premier if there is something on the go and is there information that is available that I could share with all the businesses of the community? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we can make available to the Member the negotiated contracts policy from the Department of Transportation as well as negotiated contract guidelines that Cabinet uses. We will make that available to all the Members. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That information will be very handy to have when I meet with the businesses in the community. I would also like to know from the Premier , in the area of negotiated contracts, it is important in communities that there is fairness and balance to this as they deal with other businesses. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The whole idea behind negotiated contracts is to assist the smaller communities get into business. In the majority of the smaller communities, people are saying if capital projects do happen in our communities, then we should be the first to benefit. For example, in the Inuvik and Fort McPherson and Mackenzie Delta area, when the negotiated contracts were done in that area, many regional businesses did benefit because of the negotiated contracts. In Inuvik, approximately 41 suppliers and sub-contractors benefited for $12.5 million.

Out of those same negotiated contracts, Yellowknife's two suppliers and sub-contractors for $1.6 million and Fort McPherson seven suppliers and sub-contractors, $1.7 million, Tsiigehtchic, $50,500. That does not count the actual labour portion of the general contracted Gwich'in Development Corporation. Negotiated contracts, in most cases, give value for dollar and we get the contract on time and it benefits the local people. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the area of negotiated contracts in communities, this government is working on an overall policy that all departments will fall under. Is that correct? Is that where we are heading? Is it going to be under the guidelines of the FMB material for Cabinet? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we are working to clarify and develop that policy. In the meantime, we came into this whole issue of

article 24 under the Nunavut Final Agreement that we had to address. I believe we have come to an agreement with NTI on that issue. Now we can carry on to develop that policy further. It is very clear in the Cabinet guidelines we have, that negotiated contracts will be with local companies to benefit local people. Then it has to go regional, then to the rest of the Northwest Territories. That is how it is carried out. But there is no room within negotiations to have any southern input at all or any southern benefits from our contracts. It has to be 100 percent northern or we would not consider it. Thank you.

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Question 436-13(4): Scope Of Work At Arviat Power Plant

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. It is my understanding there will be significant work carried out this summer on the Arviat power plant. Can the Minister confirm this and also give some details as to the scope of the work. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Dent . Two questions.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Power Corporation applied for a development permit in the community of Arviat some time ago, to undertake a selective retrofit of the plant to solve noise, safety and appearance issues. The project has been approved by the Arviat community council, I believe, and is now before the board of directors of the Power Corporation for inclusion in this year's capital plan. I expect it will be approved. We are expecting to see a budget for the project, if memory serves me right, Mr. Speaker, of about a million dollars.

The project will include new siding, a small extension to the building, a new switch gear to improve safety, as well as new equipment to make the engines quieter and more acceptable to the neighbours. I am also advised, Mr. Speaker, that the corporation will be looking for an opportunity to partner with someone in the community for a joint venture project to sell residual heat. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister confirm that the work will be done over a one or two-year period? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the total project will take place over two years. Most of the exterior work, the building addition and the clean up of the land, will be done in the first year. The technical part, as I understand it, would come the second year. That would be the installation of new switch gear and the safety related programs. The biggest opportunity for the community in terms of construction and local contracts, would be the opportunity to bid on those in the first year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, first I would like to thank the Minister for his efforts on behalf of the community, ensuring that this work is going to be carried out. Mr. Speaker, one of the primary concerns about the work that was required for the plant was the fact that the plant was located in the middle of town, right next to the elder centre. There is a fair bit of noise that comes from the plant when it is operating. Can the Minister confirm and give some detail as to what work will be done to dampen this noise or to control it, so that the elder centre located next to the plant does not have to be bothered by this loud noise? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, not being a heavy duty mechanic, I am not sure that I can provide all the details that the Member is asking for. As I understand it, the corporation is proposing to put improved mufflers on the engines, which would significantly reduce the amount of noise in the community. I know that in other communities, there are plants where very little noise is generated. I suspect that is the route the corporation is proposing for Arviat. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 437-13(4): Current Status Of Trail Cross Facility

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . The Trail Cross facility in Fort Smith is a regional, if not territorial, facility. As such, its operation effects the youth from my riding. Although the facility is located in my honourable colleague's Thebacha riding, it does effect other people's constituents. I have received a number of complaints recently and again over the weekend with respect to the operation of this facility. I want to ask the Minister, is he kept apprised of how this transition to private operation has gone and how it is operating now? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not kept apprised on a regular basis in respect to any of the facilities, unless there are concerns that come out as result of some of the operations. I have recently become aware of some of the issues the honourable Member is referring to and have asked the department to provide a status report on exactly what is happening at the Trail Cross facility, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for the Minister's response. I do hope that he is kept aware of it and I will be interested to follow up to see what kind of action will be taken regarding those problems which, in my opinion, are very serious. We are spending the government's resources to positively intervene in the lives of our youth. If that is not being accomplished by this facility and by the way it is being operated, we need to address that. Does the Minister know what recourse we have if this situation is proving ineffective and the problems continue to be on-going and can be related to the fact that this facility is currently privatized?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first of all, we would have to wait and see what grounds there were and what problems there are with the operation of the facility and the recourse we would have. Of course, anything that would be spelled out in the contractual arrangement between ourselves and the contractors as far as not providing the performance under the contract, there would be some termination clauses, that if warranted could be enacted, but certainly what we would try to do first, is to determine what the problems are and try to work with the contractors to try to remedy that first, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 438-13(4): Power Outages In Iqaluit

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1028

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of the Power Corporation. Yesterday, the town of Iqaluit experienced rotating power outages. My question for the Minister of the Power Corporation, could he update this House and the people of Iqaluit on the current situation regarding power failures? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is right. There was a power problem in Iqaluit yesterday for a total of about six hours due to generator failures. The problems were remedied and service was restored by Sunday afternoon. We expect all of the generators to be completely repaired by the end of this week. Mr. Speaker, I understand that, in Iqaluit, there was one generator down for repairs, another generator which subsequently failed and was followed shortly thereafter by a third generator failing. I am assured that all of the failures are unrelated and repairs to three of the generators will be completed today. By the end of this wee