Debates of Dec. 9th, 2011

This is page numbers 87 - 122 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 1st Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was need .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Point Of Order

Minister’s Statement 9-17(1): Public Service In The Northwest Territories

Minister’s Statement 10-17(1): Mackenzie Valley Highway

Minister’s Statement 11-17(1): Aboriginal Student Achievement Update

Minister’s Statement 12-17(1): Minister Absent From The House

Addictions Treatment Programs

Homelessness And Inadequate Housing Issues

Climate Change

“not Us” Anti-Drug Campaign

Reconstruction Of Detah Road

Mackenzie Valley Highway

Congratulations To Wilbert Antoine On His Mining Career

Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

Mackenzie Valley Highway

Home Care Services In Mackenzie Delta

Transportation Projects In Weledeh

Homelessness Report By Mr. Nick Falvo

Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

Addictions Treatment

Comprehensive Strategy For The Care Of Elders

Treatment Of Addictions

Written Question 1-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Public Housing Arrears

Tabled Document 7-17(1): 2010-2011 Aurora College Annual Report

Setting Of Extended Sitting Hours By Speaker

Bill C-10, Safe Streets And Communities Act

Recorded Vote

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 10:02 a.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good morning, colleagues. Mr. Bromley .

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Point Of Order

Prayer

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a point of order under

Section 23(

i) where it speaks to imputing false or hidden motive by another Member.

Section (

h) makes allegations against another Member and

Section (

k) is abusive or insulting language of a nature likely to cause disorder.

I would like to draw Members’ attention to unofficial Hansard page 9 yesterday, where Mr. McLeod, Bob McLeod , in speaking in support of Mr. Miltenberger ’s point of order in the House said: “I was offended, I guess, when Mr. Bromley lumped us all together as being somebody like Hitler or Pol Pot or General Radek because he doesn’t like our Greenhouse Gas Policy.”

It is possible that Mr. McLeod was influenced by similarly inflammatory language by Mr. Miltenberger who, on the previous day, according to unofficial Hansard, page 19, implied that I was trying: “to put us in the same category as Gbagbo and some of these folks from Serbia and other folks that have been charged over the years, Nazis and stuff...”

Mr. Speaker, surely it’s reasonable to use hard words in attempting to help this House to realize the urgency for action on climate change. Its rising impact on humanity is clear and not debated. The actions required of government to reverse this impact are also clear and not debated.

However, the Minister agreed this is so, in responding to my first oral questions on Wednesday. However, responsible governments around the world have failed to implement the required action, and thus horrific impacts of famine, drought, floods, storms and ocean surges caused by climate change now rise annually to include human deaths in the hundreds of thousands.

I have called attention to our role as one government in this clearly global situation, but this is a far cry from me calling government leaders war criminals such as Hitler, Radek, or Pol Pot. The clear implications of Mr. McLeod’s words that I was saying or implying that we are the same as these people is offensive and odious to me and, in my mind, an attempt to stifle debate and clearly cast false aspersions.

Thus, Mr. Speaker, my point was that if we continue these actions...

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Point Of Order

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Mr. Bromley , I would like you to just stick to your point of order. It’s not for rebuttal. So, if you could get to your point of order, then we may proceed. Thank you.

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Point Of Order

Prayer

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That concludes my point of order.

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Point Of Order

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . I will allow some discussion on this. The honourable Premier , Bob McLeod .

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Point Of Order

Prayer

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can only speak to what I heard and the honourable Member is now changing his definition of a crime against society. He took a very broad brush and lumped us all in there, and now he’s trying to say there are different shades or different

definitions of crime against humanity, and I think if you’re going to use inflammatory phrases like he did, I guess he should expect that he will get the same kind.

I think that to now try to change what he meant by using those very offensive words of “crimes against humanity,” to say he didn’t want to include war criminals and he only wanted to talk about people that were offended by how the governments are taking action on climate change is a whole different category. He did say “crimes against humanity,” and my

interpretation of people who perpetuate crimes against humanity are dictators and warmongers who have killed millions of people. To lump us into that same category, to me, is very offensive.

I heard what he said and that was my

interpretation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Point Of Order

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. On the point of order, Mr. Menicoche .

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Point Of Order

Prayer

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just want to rise and note the whole intent of our points of order is to bring order to the House and I believe that further discussion is not really helping our Assembly and our government as a whole. Mahsi cho.

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Point Of Order

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . To the point of order. I will allow Mr. Bromley to close.

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Point Of Order

Prayer

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Very briefly, this House has yet to rule on whether my use of “crimes against humanity” was indeed a wrong use of our language or not. But, obviously, Mr. McLeod believes it was wrong. I believe it was right, but he believes it was wrong and uses that to justify his using bad language or the wrong language as well. Do two wrongs make a right?

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Point Of Order

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . On this point of order, I’ll take it under advisement and report back to the House at a later date.

I want to remind the Members, we’re put in these positions to work for the betterment of the people of the Northwest Territories in trying to move forward. This is the second point of order since we sat in the House and it’s only the fourth sitting day we’ve had. I want to remind the Members to try to work for the betterment of the people of the Northwest Territories. I’ll take your point of order under advisement and I’ll get back to the House at a later date.

Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Human Resources , Mr. Glen Abernethy .

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Minister’s Statement 9-17(1): Public Service In The Northwest Territories

Ministers’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. “Public Service. Public Focus.” is the motto of 20/20: A Brilliant North, the NWT Public

Service Strategic Plan. Our ability to provide quality programs and services is clearly linked to recruiting and retaining talented staff who are committed to their professions, their communities and the people they serve. The public service is the face of the Government of the Northwest Territories.

20/20: A Brilliant North guides the ongoing development of the NWT public service, with the aim of making the GNWT an employer of choice. There are real advantages to working for the GNWT public service. We have competitive salaries and great benefits, including the public sector pensions. There is a great range of diversity of work and our staff have opportunities for career growth, development and advancement. Many staff have told us how much they appreciate our family-friendly work environment, including paid time off during the holidays.

Ultimately, the GNWT seeks to balance ongoing positive, constructive relations with our employees and their representative bargaining agents, with sound fiscal management and good governance.

20/20 includes a range of actions. The Department of Human Resources continues to make significant progress in fixing and sustaining the foundation for human resource services. We are improving pay and benefits processes and completing service partnership agreements that confirm roles and responsibilities of our staff and the clients that we serve. This is a very important initiative that is long overdue and is critical for strong corporate human resource management.

I am excited about promoting the GNWT as an inclusive workplace that recognizes and embraces diversity. This ensures that excellence, innovation and commitment form the basis of our service to the public. In early 2012 a new campaign will promote the GNWT as an inclusive workplace that embraces diversity, including the hiring and supporting of employees with disabilities. As well, the GNWT will be issuing a confidential survey to all employees late in January 2012 that will encourage employees with disabilities to anonymously self-identify. The government is also in the process of developing Aboriginal cultural awareness and diversity awareness training for the public service.

As is the case with governments across Canada, the GNWT has an aging workforce that needs to take steps to ensure succession planning within the public service, including:

the

Associate

Director/Superintendent Program

that supports the development of Aboriginal employees into senior management positions within the public service;

developmental transfer assignments that

provide employees with opportunities to develop on the job; and

formal education programs such as the

Leadership Development Program.

These are just a few examples of the initiatives that support our public service and ensure we continue to have skilled, talented employees within the Government of the Northwest Territories. To this end, I look forward to working with the Members of the 17

Legislative Assembly as we support 20/20:

A Brilliant North, the NWT Public Service Strategic Plan and the public service mission of providing excellent service to the people of the Northwest Territories.

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Minister’s Statement 9-17(1): Public Service In The Northwest Territories

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. David Ramsay .

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Minister’s Statement 10-17(1): Mackenzie Valley Highway

Ministers’ Statements

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s my pleasure to provide Members and Northerners with an update on the Mackenzie Valley to Tuktoyaktuk Project. I’m pleased to reiterate a confirmation from the Caucus of the 17

Legislative Assembly identifying the Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk Highway segment as a priority project that will help to strengthen and diversify the Northwest Territories economy.

In the June 2011 budget, the people and Government of the Northwest Territories were pleased to hear Canada include $150 million over five years for the construction of the all-weather highway from Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk. The federal government described the highway as a project of national significance because it advances the country’s position on security, sovereignty and economic development.

A great deal of planning work is required before starting a project of such significance. Department officials are currently preparing a business case report, which will assess procurement options. Department officials have initiated discussions with Canada toward a draft funding agreement, and discussions with the Inuvialuit land administration to secure land tenure for the highway right-of-way have also begun. This work will lead to important decision points for the 17

Legislative Assembly.

The proposed Infrastructure Acquisition Plan for 2012-13 includes preliminary funding that will allow the department to continue this planning work, thereby indicating to Canada our commitment to build the all-weather highway.

Further GNWT investments will be needed to complete this project. One of the things that would make it easier to plan for and fund not just this project but for other infrastructure needs as well would be a completed Devolution Agreement. Such an agreement would give this government access

to resource revenues that could be used on behalf of all residents of the Northwest Territories.

I would also like to update Members on the progress we are making on the planning for the southern

section of this highway. As Members may recall, a funding announcement from CanNor in 2010 led to department partnerships with land claim groups and organizations to lead, develop and manage the project description reports – PDRs, as they’re referred to – for sections of the Mackenzie Valley Highway.

These partnerships maximized local involvement, increased local input and maintained local control of the planning process. These partnerships have also confirmed how government and Aboriginal groups can partner on the planning of public infrastructure projects.

On November 30, 2011, the department received a third project description report of the Mackenzie Valley Highway. During the handover ceremony in Norman Wells, it was especially encouraging to acknowledge that all of the land corporations in the Tulita district passed resolutions supporting this work. It was also encouraging to know that Ms. Cece Hodgson-McCauley is still advocating for our highway, and it was a pleasure having the opportunity to meet with her again.

The Department of Transportation has also confirmed that the Kahsho Development Foundation and the Pehdzeh Ki First Nation will be submitting the final two PDRs before the end of this year.

The PDRs will be brought together into one report and will be provided to regulators for initial review early in 2012. The next steps are subject to obtaining additional funding to continue moving into the planning and environmental review process. Building on this momentum, the department will continue toward moving the project into the next phase.

Northerners are ready to take another step toward realizing the dream of an all-weather highway from the NWT-Alberta border all the way to the Arctic Coast. Thank you.

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Minister’s Statement 10-17(1): Mackenzie Valley Highway

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

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Minister’s Statement 11-17(1): Aboriginal Student Achievement Update

Ministers’ Statements

Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Towards the end of the 16

Assembly, I

tabled the Aboriginal Student Achievement Education Plan. It was developed after a broad consultation and aimed to eliminate the education gap between Aboriginal and other students. I am pleased to say that Aboriginal education leaders

endorsed the plan by signing the Education Partnership Declaration.

The plan lists the four priorities of the Aboriginal Student Achievement Initiative: early childhood and child care, family and student supports, Aboriginal language and culture curriculum and resource development, and literacy.

This year we are taking action on several of these priorities. To support literacy, the Aboriginal Student Achievement Initiative funded five new community libraries in the schools in Behchoko, Fort Liard, Gameti, Whati and Tuktoyaktuk.

This funding brought new research materials, books, graphic novels, picture books and magazines for children and adults into libraries. It also allows for one member of each community to keep the libraries open after school hours for public usage. These community members received training and support from the public library services staff. The Northwest Territories now has 20 public libraries covering all regions.

The Department of Education, Culture and Employment also provided funding towards one literacy coordinator for each school division. These coordinators participated in several days of training at the beginning of the school year. ECE staff worked with them to highlight regional successes and improve literacy practices in the school.

Funding was provided again this year to support the orientation of teachers in Aboriginal culture, and work progressed on developing a Dene language curriculum.

To engage parents, teachers and students in school, last year we implemented the first phase of a communications campaign focused on attendance at school. It was well received, Mr. Speaker. Our feedback tells us the campaign has resonated with students. We are continuing the campaign this year, as we know that attendance is a key factor in education success for students. Our next steps will focus on engaging parents more fully in their children’s education. We heard many times during our consultation that the school alone is not responsible for educating students. Parents must take control of their children’s education.

His Excellency the Governor General has made it one of his priorities to reinforce learning and innovation to ensure Canadians have the opportunity to reach their full potential. During his visit to Fort Smith today, Mr. Johnston will be taking

part in a roundtable discussion on the Aboriginal Student Achievement Initiative to learn about one of the key ways the Government of the Northwest Territories helps our people achieve their educational goals. We must continue to believe in our students and support the Aboriginal Student Achievement Initiative, so all students can reap the

benefits, bringing us closer to our goal of healthy, educated people. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 11-17(1): Aboriginal Student Achievement Update

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Premier , Bob McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 12-17(1): Minister Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Michael Miltenberger will be absent from the House today to host a dignitary visit by the Governor General of Canada in Fort Smith. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 12-17(1): Minister Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Addictions Treatment Programs

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to talk about addictions. Last month when Members set our collective priorities for the 17

Legislative Assembly, we included enhancing

our addictions treatment programs, and for good reason. If we could only solve some of the problems of addictions with some action, by taking action, so many other issues would become less of a problem than what we have here before us today. We would have less crime, less violence, fewer people on income support. We would have healthier families, fewer babies born who are sick, who are with illnesses, better educational outcomes and a much less strain on our health system.

Every time a person gets on a road to recovery and stays the course, there are positive ripple effects that go through society. As I mentioned before, we have less problems. The question that we have here today is: What is this Assembly going to do by helping to get people on the right track, by supporting addictions treatment programs here in the North?

I will have questions for the Minister of Health later today. Thank you.

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Addictions Treatment Programs

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Homelessness And Inadequate Housing Issues

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to continue my crusade for better services from this government for residents struggling with homelessness and inadequate housing. In September, during the election and the campaign, there was a lot of talk around the issue. Candidates expressed support for an Anti-Poverty Strategy, for

more housing and better housing programs. Now that the rubber has hit the road, so to speak, now that this new Assembly is in place, the new Executive is up and running, I have to ask this question: What will the 17

Assembly do to live up

to the comments and commitments around homelessness made a few months ago during the election?

It is not like there are no options. Members of the 16

Assembly spoke many times about housing

and homelessness. Those Members made suggestions and recommendations for change, for improvement of the situation in the NWT in their statements.

As recently as last May, a report written by Nick Falvo was tabled in this House, which made five specific recommendations to improve homelessness in Yellowknife and across the NWT, many of which echo previous recommendations and fit nicely into the government’s own document called “Framework to Respond to Homelessness.” In my four years here, I have seen little change, little response to any recommendations and certainly no focus on the issue of homelessness.

The Framework to Respond to Homelessness is dated January 2007 and badly needs review and updating, especially in light of the recommendations from the Falvo report. The framework is based on the principle of a continuum of housing, and that is great, it should be, but have we ensured that all parts of the continuum are funded and available to our residents? I don’t think so. The framework has identified four next steps, but only one of those four has been accomplished in the last five years. Mr. Falvo’s homelessness report has five recommendations, four of which are directed to the GNWT and none of those four have been acted on.

I recognize and accept that an election and transition period from the 16

Assembly to the 17

has occurred and that does slow things down, but I have to repeat the question I asked earlier: What will this Assembly do to live up to, one, its commitments from 2007, two, the recommendations from Mr. Falvo’s report, and three, all that election talk? How will homelessness be handled by this new government in 2012-13 and beyond?

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Homelessness And Inadequate Housing Issues

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

We cannot continue with our current practice of dealing with homelessness off the corner of someone’s desk. Change is essential and I and the residents of the NWT expect to see some action and improvement from this government on the homelessness front. It’s a job that all of government must tackle together. Let’s get on with this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Homelessness And Inadequate Housing Issues

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Climate Change

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the past couple of days my fellow colleague Mr. Bromley , who is well respected among his peers and the citizens of the Northwest Territories on his views on climate change, was cited on the use of strong language to describe the seriousness of his thoughts. Although I tend to agree his choice of words may have been used in the wrong context, I do agree that his passion for making our government more accountable for our carbon footprint is dead on accurate and for that I do thank him.

It would be ill advised for me to stand before you and attempt to mimic or regurgitate statistical data or convince you of my green ambition to save the planet. This is not my intention here today. I do wish to inform the House that we all have an important obligation to perform, not only for our constituents but for our families and for our children. I would hate to tell my future grandchildren that I had an opportunity to make positive changes for our climate and I chose the easy road. That, Mr. Speaker, will not happen.

I think many here have seen and heard Mr. Al Gore throughout his Inconvenient Truth crusade, yet many have not seen or heard of Bjorn Lomborg’s Cool It economic approach to climate change, where Mr. Lomborg clearly claims that there has been much hype and exaggeration of global warming solely to root much needed research dollars.

Now, my intention here is not to split hairs about the economics of climate change, science, or Hollywood drama. My intention here today is to disseminate that there are different points of view when it comes to global warming and the realities of scale. This is especially true when our government is forced into accepting unrealistic climate targets based on science that is equally being questioned.

So what is one to do? One of the principles that always served me well in the business world was catching people doing something right. It was much more productive for the performance and success of a resolve than trying to be punitive or restrictive. The same basic principle can be easily introduced throughout the Northwest Territories when it comes to positive affect in our climate in the North.

In simple terms, providing tax incentives or financial credits for businesses or individuals doing good behavior is an easy and affordable step in the road to climate recovery. I say with conviction, let’s do away with unattainable targets and unrealistic goals set by so-called purveyors of catastrophic thinking

and let’s embrace a cleaner delivery model of our everyday footprint on our environment. Our real mission should be to deal with the economic realities of options.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Climate Change

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Our real mission should be to deal with the economic realities of options in dealing with climate change and rewarding those who take the positive steps of change. In the end we all want the same thing. Maybe in the process we can reach the NWT’s true climate goals. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Climate Change

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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“not Us” Anti-Drug Campaign

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to talk about a great program that’s been initiated by a few departments through the Healthy Choices Framework a couple of years ago that did result from some tragic incidents throughout the Northwest Territories and that we still see today, and that is dealing with drugs in our communities.

The Not Us! Campaign is a very successful campaign initiated through the Department of Justice. It has partners of the RCMP, Health and Social Services, Education, Culture and Employment, MACA and the Executive. It is a program that fights the drugs in our communities. It gives an opportunity for people at the community level to take a stand and say no, we don’t want these drugs in our communities and we want the drug dealers out.

In Inuvik I’ve been part of that committee for the last two years and what that entails is you get a $10,000 grant for your first year to run programs. Having a very concerned group of individuals in Inuvik, as well as in the communities of Hay River and Yellowknife, and I think most recently Fort McPherson, it is taking a really strong stand and we are seeing some really positive outcomes of this. There are a lot more drug busts in the communities and incarcerations of some of the drug dealers that are doing harm to our people in the communities as well.

Today I just want to thank all those throughout the Northwest Territories who have taken that stand against drugs, who have taken that stand to put these initiatives in their communities and for the great work that this government is doing in supporting all the departments and this program. I do hope to see more funding going to prevention programs like this so that we don’t have to band-aid the situation in years to come.

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“not Us” Anti-Drug Campaign

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Reconstruction Of Detah Road

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to salute the success achieved thus far on the reconstruction of the Detah road and call for us to keep building this road and building this success.

During this fiscal year and last, $4 million has been spent on the long-overdue reconstruction of the only all-weather artery to the community. Deton’Cho Corporation has led this project with a creative mix of joint ventures, partnerships, training and apprenticeship opportunities, equipment acquisition and development of management capacity, all the great things we want to see in the cost-effective projects that build our local and Aboriginal-owned businesses.

You can’t use the word “partnership” often enough. Deton’Cho, local private sector suppliers and partners, our territorial Transportation department and the federal government have cooperated to squeeze maximum benefits from every dollar. The government has backed that capacity and business development, granting the negotiated contracts that have enabled these benefits. The result: Local people are getting the jobs close to home, growing a local economy, and today we are closer to completing an acceptable highway to serve Detah’s vital needs. With the Highway No. 4 realignment around Giant Mine in the wings, Deton’Cho has the possibility for steady, continued success.

In this capital budget session we know that money is tight. Last year we were able to re-profile funds to add $2 million to this project. I will be asking this government to seek every opportunity to see that happen again. Deton’Cho has proven that it can be nimble and pick up the cash to ensure no precious dollars go to waste. I will be looking for dedicated funds to see this work completed.

The workers on this project are local family people. Many have gotten the training and the good jobs at the mines, but the jobs close to home and family are best. We’ve mixed up a recipe of success on the Detah road project. Let’s pull out all our best ideas and resources to roll these achievements to the end of the road.

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Reconstruction Of Detah Road

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Mackenzie Valley Highway

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was in the Sahtu region last year and last week and did a tour up in Fort Good Hope and Colville Lake. I missed the Wells because of the weather conditions. When I was in the Sahtu, the local

contractors were getting busy and people were getting excited because they were starting to open up the all-weather winter roads into the rest of the communities and connections to the south.

I was very happy to hear Mr. Ramsay ’s statement here about the progress of the Mackenzie Valley Highway and the support the 17

here has given

this construction. My people are looking forward to the day when we can have the same opportunities as other Members here who enjoy all-weather roads into their communities or just to go down south to purchase supplies or visit family or do those other things that the Members enjoy who have the all-weather road.

I know Mrs. McCauley, Auntie Cece, is very happy, because she gave some good reviews and raves in her news column to the Minister and to the partnership on this project here. I want to tell this government here, and the Members, that we greatly appreciate the support. I hope the spirit of John Diefenbaker, the Prime Minister, lives within Mr. Ramsay to open up the highway, fulfill the dream of building the Mackenzie Valley Highway into the North to really connect the people in the North. We are looking forward to it.

We have some major infrastructure such as the Bear River Bridge that needs to get put in. We are going to see an influx of hundreds of millions of dollars in the Sahtu within the next five years with oil and gas exploration. We need help, and there’s help there and we can do it, but we need to push this government, push the federal government and tell Mr. Harper to please help us build this road within four years.

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Mackenzie Valley Highway

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Congratulations To Wilbert Antoine On His Mining Career

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to honour one of my constituents, Mr. Wilbert Antoine, who works at Canadian Zinc Mining Corporation. He indicated to me that this month he’s celebrating 40 years in the mining industry.

He began his career in mining in 1971. He didn’t realize he was getting into mining; he thought he would take a short job. He ended up working for Cardinal River Coals in Alberta for 31 years. Upon completing that, he did move back to Yellowknife in July 2002 and spent six years with BHP Ekati Diamond Mine and he thought he was going to retire there. He made a trip home in 2007 to celebrate the 20-year anniversary of the Papal visit to Fort Simpson and realized that there was another mining company operating out of there, which is Canadian Zinc Mining Corporation.

He began talking with them and found he was very interested in working for them because they were in his home community and there is huge opportunity to develop a mine in the Nahendeh region. He’s been working there for the last three years. He does say he began his mining career in the mountains and he’s ending his mining career in the mountains, as well, especially back home there.

I just want to add that he sent me a note and I’d like to quote him. He says that mining has been wonderful to him over the years. He raised and educated three wonderful children, now with successful careers of their own, totally independent, with children of their own. In the past three years he really prides that he had the best job in the world working with Canadian Zinc, flying and helicoptering over the most beautiful part of the world in the Nahanni Mountains. Serving his communities is very satisfying and rewarding.

He also links his career to his and our uncle Albert Norwegian of Fort Providence, who also celebrates his 78

birthday on December 21

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Congratulations To Wilbert Antoine On His Mining Career

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I just want to make a note that I’ve been speaking with Mr. Wilbert Antoine. He also indicates that Canadian Zinc received environmental approval from the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board. I just wanted to say to all the youth and young people out there, and those looking for careers in the mining sector, that there’s a huge potential in and around Fort Simpson in future years and we can look to the example of Mr. Wilbert Antoine, who had a successful career. This is an important sector that can be looked at for a long-time career.

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Congratulations To Wilbert Antoine On His Mining Career

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 28-17(1): Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to follow up on Highway No. 7 questions with the Minister of Transportation . I did take note that yesterday the Finance Minister indicated some priorities in his ministerial statement and I was actually taken aback that Highway No. 7 wasn’t mentioned at all.

It is part of our national highway system. It is key and critical to the development of our Northwest

Territories having access to B.C. and all the tours and industry that comes out of there. Especially if we are going to look at increasing the development in our region, a good highway system is critical to the North.

I’d like to ask the Minister of Transportation if he worked with the Finance Minister in looking at his statement, because Highway No. 7 and the reconstruction and the upgrades were not mentioned at all and I believe that it should be a priority of our government.

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Question 28-17(1): Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. David Ramsay .

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Question 28-17(1): Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Member for the question. Obviously, Highway No. 7 is a concern. Going forward we are going to need to identify more funding to address the issues with Highway No. 7. Going forward it’s going to take a sizable contribution of about $3 million a year for 10 years in order to address the work that needs to be done there. A complete reconstruction of Highway No. 7 is estimated to cost about $250 million.

Again, I think that’s something you’ll hear, is we really need to come up with more funding, and when we do get some more funding, certainly Highway No. 7 would have to be given the development down in the Deh Cho region something that would factor into any decisions there.

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Question 28-17(1): Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’d like to highlight it as a priority of this government. I think far before we invest in the fibre optic line, we should invest in Highway No. 7. I don’t believe that the Finance Minister , I don’t know if they made a mistake, but he should be mentioning Highway No. 7 as a priority. Should we run into some additional funding or we relieve our debt limit, I believe that Highway No. 7 should be critical enough that it should make this initial list of investment, should we have the opportunity. I’d like to ask the Minister of Transportation if he can work with his Cabinet colleagues, work with the Premier and make this a priority going forward.

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Question 28-17(1): Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Certainly as we move forward, I’m looking forward to working with the Member and the EDI committee to make this a priority and to come up with a plan so we can address the situation on Highway No. 7. Again, it’s going to take funding and a substantial amount of funding to make that happen. But I do believe if we can work together and put everything on the table, I think we can certainly see this as a priority as we move forward when we do get some additional funding.

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Question 28-17(1): Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I believe that the Finance Minister , who’s got the strings for the financial purse, is not going to be mentioning Highway No. 7 in any of his statements. That’s my point. I’d like to

ask the Minister of Transportation if he would get his colleagues to make it a priority and start mentioning it in this House.

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Question 28-17(1): Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

I certainly would have that conversation with the Finance Minister and my Cabinet colleagues as we move forward and identify further sources of funding for Highway No. 7. That discussion will take place.

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Question 28-17(1): Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 28-17(1): Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What’s critical here is that if the Finance Minister is going to mention four or five projects and then not mention Highway No. 7, is that when and if we do get some debt relief that it’s not going to make this list. I’d like to ask the Minister of Transportation once again, will he push and will he get his Cabinet colleagues to ensure that Highway No. 7 funding infrastructure will be done, should we have the opportunity. Mahsi cho.

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Question 28-17(1): Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

Oral Questions

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

In this consensus system of government, when we do identify further sources of funding, you can rest assured that I will work with the Member, I will work with committee on identifying those priorities, and Highway No. 7 should rank near the top of those priorities. Thank you.

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Question 28-17(1): Funding For Reconstruction Of Highway No. 7

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 29-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today my question is dealing with the moratorium that the Minister of Housing released earlier this week. It is a good program and I think it’s a great opportunity to educate the people in the communities on how to get back and educated into the housing programs, as well as getting them back on track with a payment plan. In the four months that we have from now until the end of the fiscal year, I wanted to ask the Minister of Housing what is the plan to work with these people in the communities to get back on a payment plan. Thank you.

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Question 29-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 29-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We would encourage all tenants out there to go in to their local LHOs and work out a repayment plan with them. The LHOs are usually very receptive to folks coming in and trying to enter into repayment plans. Then once they do that, then we would encourage them to honour their repayment plan. That way, come April 1

, they’re

not in any danger of being evicted. Thank you.

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Question 29-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

That sounds like a good plan in the broad scope of things. However, we do know that some tenants will not go and speak to their LHOs. Is there a plan in place for the LHOs? I know they do a lot of work and we don’t want to overburden them, but is there a plan in place to go and speak to the tenants in their home, especially the ones that might be mobile enough or also with some language barriers? Is there a plan in place to do an outreach program to go and speak with the tenants? Thank you.

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Question 29-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

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Question 29-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

My next question is: Come April 1

the end of the fiscal year, any tenants across the Northwest Territories who have not taken that initiative to get on a payment plan, what is the course of action that the Housing Corporation is going to take for those who have not honoured this agreement that the Minister has put forth? Thank you.

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Question 29-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Come April 1

, for

those that haven’t entered into repayment plans, obviously, as much as we don’t like doing it, we will have to evict them. I’d like people to see this as another opportunity to enter into repayment plans; not only that, but honour it. We’re quite confident that we’ll have some folks out there that will come forward. Unfortunately, there will be some, as the Member said, who will just not come into the local housing authority. If they don’t come in, then, obviously, come April 1

they face the danger of

being evicted. Thank you.

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Question 29-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 29-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

Oral Questions

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

: Thank you for that information, Minister of Housing . My final question is: We do have some tenants that have really high arrears. Is there an action plan to assist those that feel they don’t have a chance to get out of those arrears? Is there a program or some kind of policy in place that will help those that are beyond what they can pay? Thank you.

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Question 29-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

We do have some tenants out there that have very high public housing arrears. We try and work with them to ensure that

they are entering into a repayment plan. We’re not asking them to try and clear off their arrears in a matter of a year, for those with really high arrears. We have some cases where folks have been paying on their arrears what they can afford over a number of years and we’ve had some success stories where they’ve been able to pay those arrears off. We wouldn’t want our tenants feeling that because their arrears are very high, there’s no end in sight.

All we’re asking them to do is come into the local housing authority, enter into a repayment plan and honour the agreement that they made with the local housing authority, then their chances of remaining public housing clients is very high. Thank you.

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Question 29-17(1): Moratorium On Evictions Due To Rental Arrears

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 30-17(1): Mackenzie Valley Highway

Oral Questions

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was listening to the honourable Member for Nahendeh talk about Highway No. 7 and I was just envious of him because he’s talking about a highway that I hope someday the Sahtu people can have that opportunity to join among their fellow colleagues when they talk about highways. We want a highway.

My question to the Minister of Transportation is: Once the project description reports are completed… We’re waiting for two more and then they will go into one package to the federal regulators or the regulators who are responsible for the issuing out these permits and the other things that they are responsible for. I want to ask the Minister when is he expected to bring these PDRs to the next phase and will the communities then receive some financial help to help them move through the regulatory system. Thank you.

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Question 30-17(1): Mackenzie Valley Highway

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 30-17(1): Mackenzie Valley Highway

Oral Questions

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Member for his question. It was certainly an honour to be in Norman Wells last week to receive the project description report from the Tulita district. It’s very good to see groups getting together to agree that an all-weather Mackenzie Valley Highway is important. The work was very well done and well received.

We are currently waiting for two project description reports that will complement the other three. There are five in total that will be put together and submitted to the regulator. We’re hoping to have the other two project description reports by the end of this year. Once those are done, it will move into that regulatory phase.

Again, I think, moving forward, the important thing is that we’re going to have to identify further

sources of funding to continue the momentum on moving the work forward.

Again, I look forward to working with the Member and groups up and down the Mackenzie Valley to ensure that that happens. Thank you.

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Question 30-17(1): Mackenzie Valley Highway

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I know the people in the Tulita district were very happy to see Mr. Ramsay in Norman Wells to receive the project description report that they completed and they’re looking forward to the couple of other ones that need to be completed.

I want to ask Mr. Ramsay what we need to do to start now getting the attention of the federal government. They’ve given the Government of the Northwest Territories $150 million to start to work on the northern portion of the highway, Inuvik to Tuk. What do we need to do now to start banging on the doors, to tell Mr. Harper, the Prime Minister, that we need to start putting some money aside?

They are a majority government. They can do it. What do we need to do to get it done? Do we need to bring Mrs. McCauley down with us to start pounding the drums at Mr. Harper’s door?

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Question 30-17(1): Mackenzie Valley Highway

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, we need to move forward, and I spoke earlier of continuing the momentum. I think lobbying the federal government, talking about the Mackenzie Valley Highway at any opportunity that we have publicly, in this forum, at constituency meetings, any chance we get with the federal government or provincial counterparts. Keeping it on the radar, I think, is one of the most important things as we move this forward.

Again, it’s continuing that momentum, I think, that is the most important thing and trying to identify funding that is going to continue to push this project forward. Thank you.

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Question 30-17(1): Mackenzie Valley Highway

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Can the Minister examine a strategy as to the type of lobbying tactics we can do with the Aboriginal governments, with partnerships, to begin looking at how the department then can take every opportunity with the partnerships to go down to Ottawa or have the opportunity to speak to the federal Ministers or their counterparts?

The Tuktoyaktuk committee did a fantastic job. They got $150 million. We need that type of strategy also within the Sahtu or any other portion of the Gwich’in and a little part of the Nahendeh. We need to follow into the Inuvik Beaufort-Delta area. It may take years. We need to put a strategy together and start pounding on the doors to let the government know that this part of the highway needs attention and we need money now.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Certainly we definitely need to continue the effort. Again, working together, working collaboratively, as was shown by the folks

in the Sahtu, we can continue to move this project forward.

Again, it’s going to come back to the funding. Yes, we have a $150 million commitment on the Inuvik-Tuk portion of that highway. We need to seek some further commitment from the federal government on other sections of the Mackenzie Valley Highway. We need to continue to push, continue to move the project forward. It’s by talking about it; it’s by working together that we will continue to advance this project. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 30-17(1): Mackenzie Valley Highway

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Part of the infrastructure is the Bear River Bridge. Is the Minister hoping to look at other options on how to fund the crucial infrastructure on the highway?

As I said, there is close to $600 million that is going to be spent in the Sahtu on oil and gas exploration. Can the Minister entertain suggestions/proposals as to how we get this crucial piece of infrastructure built in the Sahtu that would serve the people in the Sahtu and the oil companies, but also it will help the federal government? They are taking out millions, hundreds of millions from the Norman Wells oilfield. They should be able to contribute to a simple infrastructure, and shame on the government for not putting any funds up to look at this infrastructure. Can the Minister help out there?

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Certainly, in the grand scheme of things, the Bear River Bridge is an integral piece of the Mackenzie Valley Highway and it will be. Certainly when funding is the way it is, we need to look at other sources of funding, we need to look at partnerships. We need to be very creative when it comes to supplying the transportation infrastructure needs around the territory. Certainly, if there are proposals out there, if there are ideas out there, we are interested in hearing them. We are interested in listening and sitting down with folks to work together to try to accomplish what we can with what we have. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 31-17(1): Home Care Services In Mackenzie Delta

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I have a question for the Minister of Health as to home care. Will the Minister, as an interim solution until we re-establish the long-term care facility in the Mackenzie Delta district, increase the amount of home care workers in the communities of Aklavik, Fort McPherson and Tsiigehtchic? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 31-17(1): Home Care Services In Mackenzie Delta

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recently, Health and Social Services closed the Joe Greenland building down and then retained over $400,000 of the funding that’s used to operate the facility there in home care. The intention now is to hire two more additional home care workers for Aklavik and we are now also looking at Fort McPherson, 132 people over the age of 60 in Fort McPherson and some of which need home care and there’s only one home care worker in Fort McPherson. So the Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services Authority is looking at that situation right now to determine the need, the exact needs of what home care need there is for home care workers.

In Tsiigehtchic we have 20 people right now over the age of 60-some, a few of which require minor home care, but we have one home care worker and the plan in Tsiigehtchic is to stay with the one home care worker at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

It was very unclear what the plans were for Fort McPherson and I would just like a little more follow-up on that. Are there plans to increase the amount of workers there? Thank you.

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Question 31-17(1): Home Care Services In Mackenzie Delta

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

As I indicated, in McPherson we have a lot of people over the age of 60, many of which do require home care. There are 132 people in the community that require home care, so Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services Authority are looking at ways now how to enhance that service, recognizing they only have one home care worker who can’t possibly service all those people. So we have asked them to look at it and they are looking at it.

In Tsiigehtchic at this time – and we can take another look at it, I’m not saying we won’t look at it – we have 20 people over the age of 60, and there is some need for some minor home care and they have one home care worker. But if the Member feels there is a need for more than one home care worker in Tsiigehtchic, despite the low numbers, I’m prepared to discuss that with the Member. Thank you.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

At this time I have no further questions. Thank you, Mr. Minister.

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Question 31-17(1): Home Care Services In Mackenzie Delta

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 32-17(1): Transportation Projects In Weledeh

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Transportation , a follow-up on my Member’s statement about transportation projects planned for the Weledeh riding.

In my statement I mentioned the great partnerships that developed, the training and the development of an Aboriginal business and so on. I think we’ve got great progress there. I want to know, first of all, if the Minister concurs with that and is happy with the accomplishments that have been achieved about the investment of this government about the reconstruction of the Detah road.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, and, unfortunately, last week I was supposed to meet with Deton’Cho but I got weathered in in Norman Wells. I look forward to that meeting that will happen soon. I look forward to partnerships like that down the road. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I appreciate that response. Many people are getting weathered in these days as the climate changes.

Quite a number of people missed the Commissioner’s supper last night because of three days not being able to get out of BHP. I will look forward to that meeting, Minister, with my constituency.

Many benefits have accrued, obviously, but we’re also talking about the Giant Mine bypass road this year. I am wondering if that is, indeed, planned to go ahead in the coming fiscal year.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Work continues on the realignment of Highway No. 4. With any luck that work will go ahead this year. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

My colleague from the Sahtu noted that had there been an all-weather road available, the Minister may have made it back earlier as well.

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Some Hon. Members

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Question 32-17(1): Transportation Projects In Weledeh

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

No, I appreciate that response. I would like to ask: Will the Minister look for opportunities to facilitate progress on the Detah road in association with the Giant bypass construction project? This has been something talked about in the past by the Minister of Transportation and there might be some opportunities. Will the Minister be looking for those?

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

As I mentioned in a previous reply, I think it’s important given our financial picture these days that we look at opportunities to partner with people to achieve our goals of supplying the transportation infrastructure that we need here in our territory. Certainly, I look forward to the discussions with the Member, and the committee and those proponents that are interested in doing work with the Government of the Northwest Territories. Working together, we’ll accomplish much more. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Your final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, thanks for the response from the Minister. I think the work done to date certainly does epitomize that and I appreciate his ongoing interest in proceeding in that cooperative basis.

Is there a possibility for involvement of the Deton’Cho Corporation as an example of the Giant Mine bypass road and other associated projects in the riding? Mahsi.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

As we move forward, I believe there will be partnerships evolve and opportunities that present themselves. Certainly, I think that opportunity does exist. I’d like to say that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 33-17(1): Homelessness Report By Mr. Nick Falvo

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Premier and they relate to my statement about homelessness. I’m directing them to the Premier because the recommendations in the Falvo report reference more than one department and it is my belief that homelessness should be dealt with across many departments, not just one.

My first question to the Premier is: The Falvo report has five recommendations, four of them are to, well, not to the Executive, some are to Health and Social Services, there’s one to Housing Corp, there is certainly one to the government as a whole. I’d like to know from the Premier what plans he has. What plans does the government have to act on the recommendations in Nick Falvo’s report from May of 2011? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Honourable Premier , Bob McLeod .

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Question 33-17(1): Homelessness Report By Mr. Nick Falvo

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Homelessness is becoming an issue that is starting to be pervasive almost throughout the Northwest Territories. We just recently received the Falvo report. I believe it was only released about two weeks ago. This is an issue that we plan to address. It’s not something that there’s a silver bullet that we can resolve the problem overnight. As the Member stated, it involves a number of departments. We also have to involve the NGOs. The efforts that have been undertaken here in Yellowknife have resulted in Yellowknife becoming almost a leading player in how to deal with homelessness.

I guess the way I see it is we would try to resolve these problems closer to the communities where the homeless people come from.

For the most part, in looking at the five recommendations, we are supportive of the

recommendations and we are going to move forward. We are looking at involving all the departments that are mentioned, to work together to deal with this issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I am really pleased to hear him say that this is a pervasive problem, that there’s no silver bullet that he’s going to involve NGOs. All of those things I agree with. I appreciate the commitment to taking some action. The report, I believe, was released in May of 2011 and maybe the Premier just got it, but it has been out for a little while and it was tabled in the House in August.

The first recommendation in the report is one that has been mentioned quite often by Members of this Assembly – by the previous Assembly, pardon me – and it will be mentioned many more times by this Assembly, I think. It urges the government to establish a homelessness secretariat. I would like to know from the Premier whether or not in their planning that they have done to date, whether the 17

Cabinet has considered consolidating

homeless programs into one place and establishing a homelessness secretariat. Thank you.

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Question 33-17(1): Homelessness Report By Mr. Nick Falvo

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess I would like to express our appreciation for the work that has been done by Mr. Nick Falvo and the fact that his research is bringing attention to the issue.

As a government, we have been working on a Shelter Policy review. Our decision on whether to form a homelessness secretariat will be done in conjunction with the recommendations of the Shelter Policy review and our response to those recommendations. By all means, when we complete the Shelter Policy review and it recommends that we have a homelessness secretariat, we would certainly look at doing so. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 33-17(1): Homelessness Report By Mr. Nick Falvo

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Premier . Before we go on, colleagues, I would like to remind the Members on the sidebar chatter to give the Minister and the Members respect in their questioning and their response. Moving on, the honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 33-17(1): Homelessness Report By Mr. Nick Falvo

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Premier for his response. I do have to say, though, and I appreciate the work that is being done under the Shelter Policy review. I am eagerly anticipating their results, which I hope are forthcoming soon, but the Shelter Policy review really is only being done by the Housing Corporation, and homelessness, I think the Premier knows, cuts across other areas of our government and our programs and services. I would hope that we don’t base our decision on a secretariat, only, on the Shelter Policy review.

Another recommendation within the Falvo report was to develop shelter standards. Mr. Falvo

specifically referenced the Salvation Army, who has men sleeping within five feet of each other and many of them with various and sundry health issues. I would like to know – and I realize this is perhaps better directed towards the Department of Health and Social Services – but, again, as the Premier have their Cabinet discussions, has there been consideration of developing standards for homelessness shelters across the Territories. Thank you.

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Question 33-17(1): Homelessness Report By Mr. Nick Falvo

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

I guess I look at the territorial facilities that have been established here in Yellowknife, facilities such as the Bailey House and so on, and also the Betty House that is in the planning stages, and our own homelessness policies that allow us to address the problem on a going forward basis.

As far as standards, I believe that all of those facilities meet those standards. I would be quite prepared to work to have our Health and Social Services and Housing Corporation look at the standards. I think the Salvation Army facility looks like a very fine facility. I guess they don’t want to leave anybody out in the cold, so I guess if having standards would mean we would leave people out in the cold, I don’t know if that is the intended purpose of having standards. But, certainly, we want to make sure that when we deal with addressing the homelessness situation, we don’t cut any corners. If we need standards, then, by all means, we will deal with that.

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Question 33-17(1): Homelessness Report By Mr. Nick Falvo

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Premier . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 33-17(1): Homelessness Report By Mr. Nick Falvo

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Premier . I think that Mr. Falvo’s point was that there are no standards and that they need to be developed. He wasn’t just referencing how close men sleep together; he was referencing the fact that there is a security issue. There is one person on duty throughout the night for some 50 men that are sleeping there. There is an issue of a human right and safety in there as well.

I was really pleased to hear the Premier mention that they are looking at these five recommendations. I would like to formally ask the Premier if the government will be providing a formal response to those five recommendations to both me and to the House, and when might we see that. Thank you.

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Question 33-17(1): Homelessness Report By Mr. Nick Falvo

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Mr. Speaker, we will be working with my colleagues. I anticipate that we should be able to respond probably early in the new year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 33-17(1): Homelessness Report By Mr. Nick Falvo

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is dealing with my Member’s statement that I gave yesterday in dealing with mental health and addictions. We have had a lot of discussion here today on infrastructure and some new capital projects that are coming to the Northwest Territories. Alongside with that, unfortunately, we do get a lot of health and social issues that do come with these big capital projects.

My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services and deals with mental health programs and infrastructure. What is the plan to fix the lack of services that we have in some of our communities, especially in our regions, and the lack of human resources to address these mental health concerns? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The intention of the department is to continue with the Community Counselling Program, trying to address some of the wellness services in the community, increase the wellness services in the community, and also reviewing the Mental Health Act. The department is waiting for the release of the national mental health report from the Canadian Mental Health Commission. I will be attending the National Mental Health Summit in Winnipeg in February as a part of the release of that commission report. Thank you.

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, with all due respect, I don’t think we need a Mental Health Act or see a report to know what is happening in the communities and the neglect that we are having on people who really need the services for these mental health issues. Once again, I would like to ask: Is the Department of Health and Social Services, not only them but there are other departments that are involved in this, how we can work together to address the issue right now?

It is Christmastime. It is a tough time for anybody that is not getting the services they need. I think it is something that needs to be addressed now rather than later, when we have to review some documents to tell us what we already know. I would like to ask the Minister again, is there a plan in place that can identify these situations or offset the lack of services in our communities right now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Yes, the intention of the Department of Health and Social Services is to move to prevention. Right now the Department of Health has a small budget in promotion and prevention.

The intention and the direction that I have given the department has been to increase the amount of money we are spending on prevention, and specific to some of the communities where there is a high incidence of addictions and mental health. The plan is to go into the schools to start at the youngest age possible, to work with the kids and so on, and also working with the health professionals at the community level, and move more money into prevention and try to prevent working upstream so that we prevent addictions from affecting the health of the people and mental health people as well. Thank you.

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

I’m glad to hear that the department is taking a proactive approach in education for prevention and awareness. However, right now, as I mentioned earlier in my two questions, we do have a waiting list, especially in Inuvik. The waiting list for anyone to get counselling is about three months and it is something that needs to be done now to address those issues. We will be coming to a new fiscal year in 2012-13. I was wondering if there was anything on the horizon in the fiscal operations O and M budget within the Department of Health and Social Services to offset those issues of our workers right now that are being over-exhausted dealing with counselling. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

The intention is to fill the vacancies of the mental health and addiction workers that are currently in place. Right now there are vacancies which are causing the backlog, and the intention is to move some of those people, if necessary, to out-of-territory options in order to get the counseling necessary for the individuals. But a key is to try to fill the vacancies, which we are having some difficulty doing at this time. Thank you.

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

That’s all great for the communities that do have vacancies, but like I said, for communities that don’t have vacancies and they are already fully staffed, they are getting overload from some of the communities, especially Inuvik. They get referrals into the region and they’re getting overworked. Long days and, as a result, like I said, we are getting people that are on the backlog for three months to receive the services.

What’s the plan for the communities that do have full staff but are overworked? That needs to be addressed because we’re neglecting the people that are needing those services. Thank you.

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

The intention is to continue to work with the health and social services authorities. If the Beaufort-Delta has a backlog, then our intention would be to support them from outside the Beaufort-Delta to try to get the backlog dealt with. Again, like I said, we would try to do some out-of-territory counseling, if necessary, and hopefully deal with the backlog. Thank you.

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just one last further question here. The Department of Health and Social Services, there are programs out there with other departments that make it so people have to go through the process, go through the counseling to get assistance; specifically, Housing, ECE and some Justice for rehabilitation. However, some of those people that are going through it don’t necessarily take it serious or are making the backlog for the people that really do need it.

Is the Minister of Health and Social Services willing to come up with a plan to offset those issues so that the people in the Northwest Territories who really need these programs can get access to them, working with the departments of Housing, ECE and Justice? Is he willing to sit down with them to come up with a strategic plan, an action plan, should I say? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Yes, this department would be prepared to deal with Housing, Education and the Income Support Program, housing programs, public housing programs, so that we can prioritize the counseling needs at the community levels. Thank you.

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Question 34-17(1): Mental Health Programs And Infrastructure

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 35-17(1): Addictions Treatment

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I talked about concerns of addiction. Certainly, as we look at the beginning of this new Assembly, there are many people here that would like to see the addictions problems addressed. Although I know the Minister is new to the job, I would like to highlight a comment made in Wednesday’s Hansard on December 7

on page 5,

in which the Premier says we need to find creative ways to address addictions, mental health, and promote wellness.

That now brings me to the question to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Is the new leader of that department, who will be setting the course for Health and Social Services, what’s his intention on addressing the addictions issue in the context of the much needed problems to address detox, whether you’re treating alcohol or other drugs such as crack or meth? Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Health , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 35-17(1): Addictions Treatment

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is where I had indicated earlier of working upstream. We’re trying to work in the intervention, to try to ensure that addictions that people are facing, and mental health issues that people are facing, that they do not face those issues by us

trying to prevent that from happening. Our intention, again, is to look at increasing our budgets in the area of prevention, hopefully working with children and so on at a young age and also dealing with youth. We think that that type of approach of making the youth and the children aware of the issues and so on, and then as they get older they would be able to avoid the addictions that are apparent now at the community levels and also right across the North. Thank you.

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Question 35-17(1): Addictions Treatment

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. I appreciate the answer from the Minister on prevention and I wholeheartedly agree from the approach of upstream. It’s better than being downstream without the paddles. On this particular problem, though, it almost sounds like they’ve abandoned the people with this particular issue. It’s great to provide prevention for those to keep them away from drugs such as crack or meth, and hopefully it will keep them away from alcohol abuse, but the territory really needs a detox centre to focus in on how to address these issues, and in the past they’ve used Stanton, which is not an appropriate facility.

So, my question is more focused on what is the Minister willing to do on today’s problem for people suffering from addictions problems? Thank you.

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Question 35-17(1): Addictions Treatment

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

The department is spending about $6 million on mental health and addictions. In the city of Yellowknife the department is supporting programs and the Tree of Peace for addictions programs at the Sally Ann, at the John Howard Society. As far as straight detox goes, at this time we have a ward at the hospital, which is not specific to addictions, but does include addictions. Then there’s also the Nats’ejee K’eh Centre in Hay River that’s there for the treatment of people with addictions. Right now that unit is running at about 50 percent capacity each time they have an intake. Thank you.

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Question 35-17(1): Addictions Treatment

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I appreciate the facilities or the locations the Minister has highlighted, but in fact those are areas that help people to carry the burden of their addictions, but yet it’s not a detox or a treatment centre by typical design.

Although the Minister doesn’t need to be educated on this particular issue, we know we had an addictions centre downtown that was used for many years, then was closing and then given away. Then they built one on the Detah road and that was closed and now is being used as a training centre. I mean, how many more addictions centres do we have to open and close and still not address the problems?

So, back to the question. We need a detox centre here in the Northwest Territories. Where that is located doesn’t really matter to me. Treating the people of the North is the priority, not the location of this particular facility. How will the Minister tackle this particular issue? Thank you.

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Question 35-17(1): Addictions Treatment

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Right now the department has some programs in place to address some of the problems. We are enhancing the Aftercare Program for addictions, and the closure of the addictions and detox centre, the closure of some of the treatment centres was something that happened in the past due to capacity, not the capacity of the department but the capacity of the treatment centres. All of the treatment centres at that time were operating with very few clients. The decision was made to roll it up into one centre and try to keep that centre full and operating as efficiently as possible.

At this time, even though we only have one treatment centre in the North, again that treatment centre only operates under 50 percent capacity for intake of clients. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 35-17(1): Addictions Treatment

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I take exception with the last comment provided by the Minister. We only have one treatment centre, but the problem where I take exception with that is it’s not focused on detox or multi-problems when it comes to alcohol or drugs such as crack and meth. My fear, and the fear of many people, is has this government given up on people with addictions. Will this government finally take a clear stance, draw up a plan and build or even lease a detox centre to treat the people of the Northwest Territories who suffer from addictions? Thank you.

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Question 35-17(1): Addictions Treatment

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Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Some of the organizations that I spoke of do deal with the fact that individuals, prior to attending treatment, have to essentially be alcohol or drug free for several weeks prior to attending. There’s also a program in the Sally Ann where there’s a withdrawal management system. There’s a unit there that individuals go, to go through withdrawal. With those programs, the intention is to use individuals that are serious about coming to treatment to deal with their issues, they go there, they remain essentially drug free or alcohol free for a certain period of time before they go for treatment.

As far as pure detoxification, yes, there is a centre or a unit in the hospital that can help with that, if individuals need to go for detoxification, that can help. They can also go to the withdrawal management systems at the Sally Ann.

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Question 35-17(1): Addictions Treatment

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr.