Legislative Debates — 7 February 1997 (13th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 467–491)
1997-02-07, 13th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 467–491
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Feb. 7th, 1997
This is page numbers 467 - 491 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was aboriginal .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Minister Absent From The House
Aboriginal Achievement Award
Fundraising Effort To Raise Suicide Awareness
Rae-edzo Friendship Centre
South Slave Leadership Meeting
Original Thoughts On Government
Brain Cell Regeneration
Legislative Assembly Curling Funspiel
Responsibility For Privatization Initiatives
Tl'oondih Healing Society Funding
Reducing Duplication Of Infrastructure Services
Plan For GNWT Lease Agreements
GNWT Privatization Initiatives
Process For Privatization Review
Implementation Of Affirmative Action Policy
Departmental Progress On Fas/fae
Drug And Alcohol Counsellor From South
Premier's Advisory Council On Business
Inuktitut Translation Of Jp's Manuals
Resource Sector Training Programs
Vee Lake Environmental Concerns
Affirmative Action Policy
Item 7: Written Questions
Written Question 3-13(4): Chief Julius School Gymnasium
Item 10: Petitions
Committee Report 4-13(4): Report On The Review Of The 1997-98 Main Estimates
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
More Original Thoughts On Government
Bill 9: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1996-97
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable John Todd
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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 467
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Good morning, Members. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .
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Minister's Statement 42-13(4): Minister Absent From The House
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 467
Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Manitok Thompson will be absent from the House today to attend the National Aboriginal Achievement Awards in Calgary and present an award this evening. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 42-13(4): Minister Absent From The House
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 467
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Morin . Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .
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Minister's Statement 43-13(4): Aboriginal Achievement Award
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 467
Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to advise this Assembly that tonight, in Calgary, our honourable colleague, Mr. Stephen Kakfwi , will be honoured with a National Aboriginal Achievement Award. Mr. Kakfwi is receiving a lifetime achievement award from the Canadian Native Arts Foundation, recognizing his role as a passionate and effective advocate for aboriginal people, for his role in the development of the modern theory of the inherent right and, in general, as a defender of the rights and interests of all people north of sixty.
Along with Mr. Kakfwi , another Northwest Territories resident, Mr. Kiawak Ashoona of Cape Dorset, is also being recognized for his lifetime of achievements as an artist whose work has not only gained regional and national attention, but brought international recognition to the north as well.
I am sure I speak for all Members and for citizens in the Northwest Territories, in congratulating Mr. Kakfwi and Mr. Ashoona on these honours. While the awards are for individuals, I believe we can all share in the pride of this evening's presentations and celebration, and in the honour and distinction these two citizens bring to the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi Cho.
-- Applause
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Minister's Statement 43-13(4): Aboriginal Achievement Award
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 467
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Morin . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .
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Fundraising Effort To Raise Suicide Awareness
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 467
John Ningark
Natilikmiot
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, Members. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise my honourable colleagues, through you Mr. Speaker, that a resident of Pelly Bay, Thomas Suvissak, who is originally from Pelly Bay, has been one of the volunteers within the community in trying to help people with social problems. Thomas Suvissak from Pelly Bay is one of the community members who has been volunteering to help the people that have been in need within their community.
Every year in the north, we hear of young people committing suicide, particularly in the Nunavut area. It is not our fault that these things happen. Although we would like to help young people as much as we can, there is not much we can do when they succeed in the attempt.
Mr. Thomas Suvissak from Pelly Bay, will be going to Repulse Bay and he will be walking in trying to help people, particularly young people, and their parents. He will be making an attempt to walk to Repulse Bay from Pelly Bay. He would like to seek some support from our Members and from us because we all know that what we do in life is sometimes very difficult to achieve. When we support each other, things can happen that would be good for the people of the north. This is what he told me he would be attempting to do, from Pelly Bay to Repulse Bay. He will be making the attempt in April. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)
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Fundraising Effort To Raise Suicide Awareness
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 467
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .
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Rae-edzo Friendship Centre
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 467
James Rabesca
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to talk about an organization in my home community that has gone from the brink of poverty to a reorganized, prospering, aggressive operation. Mr. Speaker, a couple of short years ago, the Rae-Edzo Friendship Centre was having financial problems. That of course came from the severe cuts that were introduced by the federal government. It got to the point that this organization had a difficult time to find a payroll for the remaining staff or to find the volunteers to help with bingos.
The board realized the need to reorganize and were able to do this with as little pain to staff as possible. It has taken about two years to rebuild but they are now working for the community and providing many excellent programs for all ages. They will be expanding their services in the near future to include bus service to and from Yellowknife for passengers as well as freight. They will be supplying all local businesses with freight shipped out of Yellowknife, mail and courier services, all on a daily basis.
Other areas that they are working on include an Internet service centre, which will allow members of the community to come and use the centre's computers and to surf the world by web or to find information they require, along with the ability to provide computer instruction, as well as for the general public to have access.
Mr. Speaker, the Friendship Centre has also recognized that, in ways, bingo is a form of addiction and is slowly removing itself from operating bingos and moving towards more community-orientated groups, still providing addiction counselling services, and now are starting to provide other very important services that are also helping the residents of Rae-Edzo.
Mr. Speaker, this organization is becoming a very positive figure in the community and also within the region. It is good to see that, with a bit of imagination and hard work, an organization like this can come back and provide some very interesting and helpful services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
-- Applause
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Rae-edzo Friendship Centre
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 468
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .
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South Slave Leadership Meeting
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to briefly comment on a meeting of some importance that is being held in Fort Smith tomorrow and on Sunday. Mr. Speaker, the leaders of the South Slave are going to gather, for the first time in about three years, in a common forum to talk about issues like working together and, most importantly, economic strategies that could benefit the South Slave region.
This has not been done for a number of years and it is seen as critical, from the response I have received from the leadership, which will include MLAs, lawyers, Dene chiefs and presidents of the Metis Nations, to gather and discuss these very fundamental issues. The world, as we know it, has changed dramatically in the last couple of years and every region, I think, is going to find it incumbent that they find ways to work together for the benefit of all the communities within their jurisdiction. So, I am very hopeful, Mr.
Speaker, that this will be a very fruitful meeting and the first of many as we move into the 21st century. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
-- Applause
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South Slave Leadership Meeting
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .
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Original Thoughts On Government
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 468
Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, once there was a man who had a very huge thought. That man's name is not important but, for the record, his name was I. C. Clearly. However, he was rolled over and smitten for coming up with that original thought. What was that thought? The thought was that good government should be accountable to the people; good government should be answerable to the people and good government should listen to the people. When word got out that his idea was beginning to gain a following, the leader of the cult, known as Fiscally Cat, became angry. He ridiculed I.C.
Clearly every chance he got. When I.C. Clearly presented petitions supporting this thought, Fiscally Cat dismissed them as rhetoric, and he stepped up his campaign of ridicule towards I.C. Clearly. He called I.C. Clearly a fearmonger. He blamed him for evil incarnate on the earth. But I.C. Clearly continued his one man mission and the masses began to see that the ideas warranted discussion. Fiscally Cat became outraged. He called on his minions to attack the character, the clothes, the thick accent, anything, to discredit I.C. Clearly.
Finally, in frustration, Fiscally Cat asked I.C. Clearly to explain his thoughts and ideas. Fiscally Cat still did not understand the ideas, thoughts or concepts represented by I.C. Clearly but realized his campaign of marginalization was not working. All it did was help propel I.C. Clearly to myth-like status and I.C. Clearly was prepared to be a martyr for his thoughts. Fiscally Cat enroled McGill Mole and Cloyed Coland to run interference, but it was too late. The masses sent in more petitions, letters and faxes. Glasnost was breaking out all over Fiscally Cat land. Perestroika took hold and I.C.
Clearly finally won the day. The moral of this tale is that when they laugh at you, ridicule you and show you no respect, remember, I.C. Clearly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
-- Applause
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Original Thoughts On Government
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Brain Cell Regeneration
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to update the House on a recent, scientific and medical breakthrough. Canadian medical scientists have caused lab animals to grow new brain cells. The scientists say that, within two years of trying their technology, which also opens the door to repairing brains, they will be able to do this on human patients. The cells were regenerated on laboratory animals without transplanting brain tissue. Researchers at the University of Calgary have generated all three major cell types present in a healthy, human brain.
The cells were grown, using 65 year old brain tissue, obtained during a biopsy. All of a sudden, it does not seem impossible, any longer, to replace brain cells. The researchers say that the challenge will be to target the healthy, new cells towards precise locations inside the brain. It has long been thought there were no stem cells, cells that could grow new brain cells, in adult mammals. But in March, 1992, scientists reported finding a stem cell in an adult mouse brain. That is very scary. I wonder if that was Mickey Mouse.
Anyhow, since that discovery, millions of human brain cells have been isolated in a laboratory and transplanted into test animals. It is now reported that these new lab-grown brain cells will go into people in two years. A laboratory in Calgary is looking for volunteers to participate in their scientific research and it was recently reported in the Nunatsiaq News, that Edward Picco , the honourable Member for Iqaluit , has volunteered for this ground-breaking experiment.
-- Laughter/applause
The Members of this House would like to applaud the Member's willingness to stop at nothing and to go to any lengths to serve his constituents and fellow mankind. Thank you, Super Ed.
-- Laughter
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Brain Cell Regeneration
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Soon, he will not only be the most popular, the most sought after, the most well-spoken, the best looking Member of the territorial Legislative Assembly. Was that all you told me Ed?
-- Laughter
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
He soon will be able to also boast being the smartest. Thank you.
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Brain Cell Regeneration
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .
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Legislative Assembly Curling Funspiel
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last weekend, we had the good fortune of attending a curling tournament here in town for Members, staff, family and friends. Yes, we do have a few friends. The tournament was lots of fun. Those who did not come out missed some good curling. We have a lot of competitive people here. They did quite well. The way the tournament worked is that there were too many teams to all curl at once, so they had to take turns curling. Once you lost you go into a different category: A, B, C, on up to G. Only the top four divisions: A, B, C, and D won prizes.
The winner of the A division was Vera Raschke, and her players were Dean Meyer and Nicole Lajeunesse. B division winner was Fred Behrens, and he had Krista Vivian with him, and Ed Picco played for him in the final. The winner of the C Division... was yours truly, Roy Erasmus . Third was the clerk, David Hamilton
-- Applause
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
We also had Celine Antoine and Trevor Thompson.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
The winners of the D division was skipped by Kat Nicholson and on her team was Joan Irwin, Richard Bargery, and Leslie Straker.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Sounds like a stacked team. As I was saying, Mr. Speaker, we do have a lot of competitive people, but we also had some other prizes. One was for the most hogged rocks, Mr. Floyd Roland .
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
The man with the strongest arm for sending the most rocks through the house was Mike Kalnay.
-- Applause
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Erasmus .
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I was saying, we do have a lot of competitive people. I just wanted to tell you a little bit about some of them. Of course, first of all we have Mr. Hamilton, the Clerk, who is very competitive. He played every game that was played. Because, as I said, there were too many teams to play all at once, so the teams would alternate. One set of teams would play a game, and another set of teams would play a game while the previous ones had a rest. Anyway, David played on his own team and then he played on my team. He told me confidentially that playing on two teams increases the chances of winning.
-- Laughter
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
I could not substantiate it, but rumour is that he tried to play on a third team. But he could not figure out a way to play two games at the same time. So, he played twice as many games as anybody else. On Monday morning, I saw him coming around the corner clutching his prize, all curled up like an "S" limping. As soon as he saw me, he just straightened up and said, "Good morning, Roy. How are you?" and went around the corner and started limping again. Then, of course, there was a well known MLA, Ed Picco. He also played on two teams. Played on his own team and when they were knocked out and they lost the A division semifinal, he then played as a spare for Team B and they won that division.
-- Applause
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
At the end of the tournament, they gave out some prizes. The winning teams of each division would go up and choose a prize. A division went first, B division, C division, like that. Then, the semi-final winners. Instead of waiting for his team to go up, when the B team went up, Ed went up with them even though he only played one game for them, and he took the best prize there. It was a nice phone, everybody was trying to get it. Ten teams later when his team went up for a prize, he went up again, took another prize. Someone said they heard him mumbling under his breath, "All those mental midgets want to know I won a place."
-- Laughter
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Then, there was Ernie Comerford. Ernie asked me before we started, he said, "Is one team supposed to be at one end and another team at the other end, and we throw rocks back and forth at each other?" So, I thought this guy does not know how to play. I was trying to explain things to him, you know, in turn, out turn. I found out later that he coaches the NWT junior girls team.
-- Laughter
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
And of course, Minister Antoine also played. We all know how competitive Jim is. I really did not believe him when he said that he never played before. Knowing how competitive he is, I thought he must have played. That was until they said it was time to start, when he pulled his skates out and started to put them on.
-- Applause
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Mike Miltenberger is also very competitive. He is so competitive that he thought curling was too slow for him. He went to Fort Smith to play hockey.
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Roy Erasmus
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He wanted to play in an old timers' hockey tournament but he was very surprised when his team would not let him play because they did not want him to ruin their chances of winning.
-- Laughter
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Mr. Roland is also a very competitive man and was also the biggest guy out there. You never see anybody arguing with him. You should see him sweep. You do not want to get in his way. That is dangerous.
-- Laughter
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Somehow, he seemed to lose his strength when it was time to throw rocks. There is a line down at the other end, and if your rock does not go over it, they take your rock out of play. It does not count. They call it a hog line. I do not know how it ever got that name. But anyway, in the tournament if your rock did not go over the hog line, someone would give you a little pink pig. I guess it is a hog. But at the end of the day, you could hardly see Floyd's jacket. It was just pink. He had so many pink pigs.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Apparently, when he found out that you win a prize for getting the most pigs, he played on two teams too. Some guys are so competitive, they will do anything to win a prize. Mr. Speaker, I would be remiss if I did not say something about my curling prowess. I had never curled before this tournament, but luckily Mr. Hamilton curled with me and we were on the C side, but prior to that in preparation I had ordered some tapes from the Labatts' Brier. I also ordered some tapes called, Curling with Linda and Ray. Linda and Ray are former world champion curlers and they analyze the brier on TSN.
I watched these tapes for weeks. I learned all the terminology, strategy, how to sweep, how to throw rocks, throwing in turn, out turn, all that, about the hog line too, of course. It worked, when we started playing I could not miss a shot. But, I do not know what happened, when it was time to play the first the game, the rest of my team must have heard that I had never curled before because none of them showed up.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
It was a good thing that Mr. Hamilton wanted to increase his chances of winning because he came and played for my team. It must have rubbed off on him because he could not miss either. The only time we missed was when Ed stood behind us when we were shooting, yelling as loud as he could, "Shoot hard, shoot soft. You are nervous." I think he must have looked at the prizes in advance. He wanted to get that phone. Anyway, Mr. Speaker, I have made copies of my curling tapes. I am giving a copy to Floyd, and I am also leaving a copy in the library for next year so that all other beginners can become as good as Mr. Hamilton and I.
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Yellowknife North
Actually, Mr. Speaker, it really was a wonderful tournament and we have a lot of people to thank. I would first of all, of course, want to thank Linda and Ray for sending me their tapes. But it was great fun, I would like to thank the organizers Brian Menton and Ronna worked very hard ...
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
They twisted a lot of arms getting some gifts donated. I would also like to thank Wesmac for donating the free curling time, paying for the rink time. Of course, all the agencies that donated, News/North, Inkit, CIBC, CJCD, NorthwesTel, MicroAge, Mack Travel, and also Matco Transportation, NTPC, NWT Housing Corporation, and RWED. I would also like to thank Ernie Comerford who helped with the scheduling and with the draws. I would also like to thank Vera Raschke who also worked very hard twisting a lot of arms for gifts. In fact, she was the main organizer and someone mentioned it was a fix because she won the tournament. In fact, I loaned her my tapes as well. Thank you.
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Honourable Don Morin , the Premier . My question concerns privatization. Yesterday, we were doing a few questions on privatization. I would like to follow up on those by asking the Premier for more clarification. When property management services was privatized just a few months ago, that privatization initiative was not carried out under the auspices of the Minister of Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi . I wonder, is the privatization scheme based on the size of the privatization, or is some other definition running privatization?
When we did the information services, it was not under Mr. Kakfwi . I would like to know why some are under one Minister and some are not. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On the privatization initiative of POL, it is an initiative of this government and it is handled jointly by the Minister of DPW as well as the Minister of Economic Development , now known as RWED. This has been in place since the beginning of this initiative and it has been brought forward as such. Whenever Mr. Arlooktoo made a presentation to the committee, there was always economic development staff with him. So that is
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when we privatized property management services, the contracts are now being let, Mr. Kakfwi was not involved. Is there a level of privatization? For example, if it is a major initiative like POL then the Minister for privatization is involved? The Minister did not answer my question. What is the level of privatization? If we are contracting information services, does the Minister for privatization or DPW do that, or is it Mr. Kakfwi ? Is there a level of privatization where one Minister takes it?
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of RWED will be involved in all privatization as it has in the past. It is economic development, part of that department, that has assisted this government in putting together the plans of privatization. Thank you.
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the ongoing privatization of property management services, Mr. Kakfwi is not involved with that right now. Is the Premier telling me that he is going to get involved tout suite, right away?
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Whenever we have any privatization initiative, RWED is involved and they will continue to be involved.
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Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
I guess I am getting a little confused again, because as the chairman of the Infrastructure Committee, when Mr. Arlooktoo presented the privatization scheme with POL there was no one from RWED at our meetings, but the Premier had just earlier said that there were RWED employees. They have not appeared yet and I am still at a loss at to why the privatization is going on with POL and Mr. Kakfwi is involved, and why, when we are doing property management services, it does not seem like he is involved. As yet, the Minister of FMBS is doing those.
My question to the Premier , my final supplementary to the Premier is, can he give a written policy on exactly what the privatization scheme is, and break it down into what is privatization and what is under individual Ministers? Because as Members, it is very difficult for us to ask questions when we do not know who to ask questions to, because it seems to be fuzzy at the moment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the privatization initiatives of this government, the Department of RWED is involved in all those initiatives, as well as the Department of Finance and the sponsoring department. In the privatization of petroleum products, for example, the majority of the work is done by Mr. Arlooktoo , the leg work. A lot of the advice and other work is done by RWED. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Social Services in regards to committee motion 6-13(3) relating to core funding for the Tl'oondih Healing Society which was carried on May 21st, 1996. My question to the Minister is, what has happened in regards to this motion? Has it been carried out?
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Samuel Gargan
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no, we have not carried out the recommendations from that motion. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the motion, when do you anticipate carrying out this motion and having to ensure the long-term liability of the Tl'oondih Healing program in my riding to ensure that it does have a fair chance of continuing on into the future?
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not in a position to proceed with providing core funding based on that recommendation of that committee motion to the Tl'oondih Healing Society, as a result of some of the reform initiatives that we are undergoing through our alcohol and drug programs, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the long-term viability of the program, when you talk about community empowerment, this initiative has been supported through motions by the Gwich'in Tribal Council and also by the communities in the Mackenzie Delta in regards to the Beaufort Sea. They have also passed motions in regard to the regional meeting, supporting this initiative. There is support there from the region. I would like to ask the Minister, is his department willing to sit down with the Tl'oondih Healing Society to allow them the opportunity to compete with other institutions in the north for the same type of services? Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I have indicated in past discussions and past answers to the questions from the honourable Member on the particular issue of alcohol and drug funding, we are planning on putting out the dollars into the regions and to the community level if they so choose after it goes to the regions, to allow them to have the flexibility and the decision-making authority to place those alcohol and drug treatment dollars, Mr. Speaker. It would not be for the department or myself to dictate what facilities they would support, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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David Krutko
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the economic viability of institutions in regions such as my region, the Mackenzie Delta, which already has an existing facility, do you find it odd that we are basically entering into commitments to institutions who are south of the Mackenzie Delta, such as the South Mackenzie, allowing those institutions to thrive. The communities within my region, have to send people to southern institutions at possibly a higher cost of maintaining this service in the region if there is an existing facility.
Will the Minister commit to sit down with the Tl'oondih Healing Society and explain to them exactly the changes that are going to take place so they can have a fair chance to compete and also deliver those services to the Mackenzie Delta region and the Beaufort Sea?
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do plan on having staff speak to all treatment operators and any groups interested in delivery of alcohol and drug programming after some of the reform initiatives have gone through our budgetary process, Mr. Speaker, when they become enacted early in the new fiscal year. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Again, just to remind the Members. The Member for Mackenzie Delta started by making reference to a motion passed in the House and then went off the topic and discussed the Tl'oondih Healing Society as a supplementary. When you make your
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister for Public Works and Services . I would like the Minister to provide a status report, if he could, and a little more clarification now that amalgamation is no longer going to happen, on the type of issues and areas you are looking at in regards to your comments about duplication, et cetera, because I am very concerned about any further cuts that may happen in my community, for instance, and others as well, but for sure our community. Public Works and Services has been hit very hard. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Deputy Premier.
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Goo Arlooktoo
Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, I am also aware that there is concern in the regions about whether we are, in fact, not amalgamating, as I had announced a couple of weeks ago. I would like to assure employees, and Members especially, that there is no other plan for amalgamation but we did say that we would look at other areas of duplication and overlap.
Some of the areas that we are looking at, for example, are the three infrastructure departments which all have different maintenance systems, computer programs, et cetera, that help with maintenance schedules, inventory and whether getting one system for all three departments would save some money. We have annual consultations by departments to the communities which the departments do separately. I think there would be some cost savings in coordinating those. There are some other areas that we are looking at. The distribution of tender documents, for example, comes from three different sources.
Those are the types of changes that we are looking at.
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary to the Minister is this: I gather from your comments that the focus is going to be more on improving efficiencies, in terms of procedures and process, and possibly restructuring the systems you do have, as opposed to looking at any further staff cuts. Is that correct? Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, the Member is correct. It was clear from statements by Members that one of the biggest concerns was staff cuts and one of the areas where we had proposed to make savings was in reducing the overlap. So that is correct. The other thing that we are doing is to ensure that at the deputy minister and assistant deputy minister level, these three infrastructure departments meet at least on a monthly basis to make sure that whatever they are doing is as coordinated as possible and we will also likely be doing that in the regional offices.
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Michael Miltenberger
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The areas that the Minister has touched on in terms of improving efficiencies are not ones that I can argue with. In fact, they make good sense to me. I just want to confirm as well that this particular initiative continues to look, on an ongoing basis, in the areas of duplication and the areas that the Minister mentioned, are outside of the current budget that is before us and are not in any way meant to try to hit budget targets, but are more a function of good management.
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Mr. Speaker, the Member again is correct. The areas that I did mention would result in some savings, but I would imagine not significant enough to have much of an impact on the overall government fiscal picture.
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Michael Miltenberger
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Given the extreme sensitivity in all quarters in regards to cuts and changes in government that we are now aware exists, will the Minister commit to keeping us appraised of how things are unfolding, so that we may be kept current on this and fully informed? Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, what I will do is, once I have briefed Cabinet fully and get Cabinet's okay, it is my intention to approach the appropriate committee to brief them also on what we are going to do.
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Vince Steen
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, in committee of the whole yesterday, we had a fair amount of discussion on the leased buildings that this government is presently involved with. The Minister of Finance stated that there is a plan in place to make use of these vacant, leased buildings. I would like to ask the Premier , Mr. Speaker, how far advanced is this plan, if there is a plan?
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This plan is presently being developed by FMBS, as well as the Housing Corporation and DPW. My understanding from the Ministers is that this plan will be done by June and we will make a public commitment to the Member that we will bring that plan into the Legislative Assembly or make it available to all the Members through the proper committee. That work will be done on how we can address the issue of empty staff houses that are on lease, so that all those houses could be used to their fullest extent and it will be done by June. Thank you.
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Jake Ootes
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up on the question regarding privatization. I wonder if the Premier could tell us, what major areas are being proposed to be privatized?
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Don Morin
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. POL, computer services and property management. Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, if I interpret the Premier correctly, it is POL, computer services and property management, if I heard him correctly. I wonder if the Premier could tell us, who would we address questions to if it came to questions regarding property management?
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Yes, I wonder if the Premier could explain to me. I was of the understanding that was under the direction of Mr. Arlooktoo and when was this changed?
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Don Morin
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There has been no change. Property management has been with Mr. Todd , through FMBS. Mr. Arlooktoo 's department does all the legwork for that issue. Mr. Speaker, on August 6, 1996, I wrote to Mr. Picco , as the chairman of the Standing Committee on Infrastructure. I am sorry, Mr. Speaker, the Minister, Mr. Arlooktoo , wrote to Mr. Picco , as chairman. I do not know if they share letters with other Members of the Assembly, but we made it very clear.
We enclosed two briefing notes outlining the status of privatization of computer systems and operation and the privatization of petroleum products in the Department of Public Works and Services. At that time, you were probably aware that the Minister responsible for Economic Development and Tourism was coordinating all privatization initiatives of the Government of the Northwest Territories. So, we made it very clear to Mr. Picco , as the chairman, as well as the Members on that Committee, if they share their mail. We made it clear that Mr. Kakfwi will coordinate the privatization initiatives of this government.
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I am sorry. I am still a bit unclear. On petroleum services then, if we had a question on that, to whom would we address the question on privatization?
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the coordination of privatization, and how it is being developed, you would address your questions to Mr. Kakfwi . On detailed questions for the legwork that the department is doing, you would address your questions to the Minister that is responsible for that department. Thank you.
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Seamus Henry
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Privatization of petroleum services seems to be a popular topic this morning, so I will not change the flow. My question is to Mr. Arlooktoo , the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services . Can the Minister assure me that the discussion around the privatization of petroleum services, which has, at least in my time here, always come to the Infrastructure Committee, will it continue to come to the Infrastructure Committee for feedback and consultation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Goo Arlooktoo
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Mr. Speaker, I did, with my officials and the officials of Mr. Kakfwi 's department, brief the Infrastructure Committee last fall and have passed on numerous bits of information as requested. I did make the commitment, then and now, that we will keep the committees informed about issues and about our progress and respond to information requests, as required.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question was, will it be brought directly back to the Infrastructure Committee? I believe I understood Mr. Arlooktoo to say he would be bringing it to committees. I am saying that this privatization has been dealt with by the Infrastructure Committee. So my question directly to the Minister is, will it be brought back to the Infrastructure Committee to be dealt with before it is passed on to the Government Ops Committee? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Mr. Speaker, we will ensure that the Standing Committee on Infrastructure is completely briefed, along with the Standing Committee on Government Operations.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Final supplementary. Could the Minister advise me at what meetings the RWED employees, who were referred to earlier today, what meetings of the Infrastructure Committee were they at? I believe I was at all of them and I am not sure what meetings are being referred to where the RWED employees were with the Public Works employees in front of Infrastructure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Mr. Speaker, I will look through the transcripts of those meetings and find out and pass them on to the Member. I do not have that information in front of me.
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Question 266-13(4): Implementation Of Affirmative Action Policy
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, the last couple of days, there have been a lot of questions and concerns expressed about affirmative action and the way that it may or may not be implemented. Cabinet ministers have seemed to indicate that they are not worried that affirmative action is being handled properly. I would like to know if the Premier would confirm that Cabinet is not concerned about the way the hiring is being done in regards to the affirmative action policy?
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Samuel Gargan
Mr. Premier .
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess some Members in this House could take the meaning of many things different ways. Let me assure Mr. Erasmus from Yellowknife North that this government is committed to affirmative action. We always have been committed to affirmative action. Managers are hired to manage, they are paid to manage and they have that responsibility in every department. Every manager in every department, every Minister in this House, has a responsibility to ensure that the policies of this government are followed. So, Mr. Speaker, let me assure Mr.
Erasmus that affirmative action .. unless you have some specific cases that we can address. What we need are specific cases, not innuendo, not "I heard this uptown or that uptown". We need specifics in order to address concerns raised by Members or by the public in general. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad to hear the Premier confirm that this government is committed to affirmative action. I would like to know whether Cabinet has any concerns. It has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with commitment. Are they are concerned about whether the affirmative action policy is being properly implemented in the hiring? Thank you.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Members are fully aware, all Members of this Legislative Assembly have said in the past that we have to look at the affirmative action policy and readdress the affirmative action policy. We still have something like 31 to 34 percent aboriginal people in our civil service. It seems to have hit a certain percentage and stalled, so we have to look at the policy. The affirmative action policy is a concern of all Members, including Cabinet. Not whether it is being implemented the way it is but whether it works or not.
That is why we have agreed to look at it and rewrite it and work with Members of this House to redraft a new affirmative action policy. We have agreed to that and we are doing that work. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad to know that the government is going to readdress the affirmative action policy and we all do share concerns that we want aboriginal people and long-term northerners to get jobs. What I would like to know is, is Cabinet concerned that the present affirmative action policy is being properly implemented?
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have said previously to the Member, Cabinet has a concern, so do the Members of this Legislative Assembly, that the policy is not increasing the number of aboriginal and long-term northerners in positions in this government. We are looking at that policy, to rewrite that policy, so it will achieve what it is supposed to achieve. That is to get 50 to 51 percent aboriginal and long-term northerners into government positions.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Premier for his information. He said that everyone is concerned. Is he then admitting that the current affirmative action policy is not being properly implemented? Thank you.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe I am speaking a little too fast for the Member, so I will slow down. I made it very clear to the Member from Yellowknife North that we, as a government, as well as Members of this Legislative Assembly, are concerned that the affirmative action policy is not working. We have 31 to 34 percent aboriginal and long-term northerners in government positions. The policy is not working so what we have committed to is to look at the policy and rewrite the policy so it better reflects 1997 and it works, so we can get 50 to 51 percent aboriginals and long-term northerners into this government's jobs. Thank you.
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Question 267-13(4): Departmental Progress On Fas/fae
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I questioned the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services on the possible impacts of FAE/FAS. His answer to one of my questions states that the Department of Education, Culture and Employment will also be putting funds towards this initiative and early intervention. Mr. Speaker, I think we need to be concerned with how we develop programs. In the past, I have seen many governments, including ours, develop policies and programs that just lightly deal with the problems. It is like building a house and your toolbox is full of little tyke's toys.
I think we need to get serious with our problems and FAS/FAE is going to be a major problem in the years to come.
I would like to know from the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , what is the process of his department being involved in this FAS/FAE? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the Northwest Territories, as in all areas of Canada, there is a growing awareness of the problems caused by FAS/FAE. I know that in the previous Legislature when I travelled across the north with the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, I heard about the magnitude of this problem in all of the communities that I visited.
Education, Culture, and Employment is actively working with other jurisdictions in Canada, particularly through the western consortium, which ties together the Yukon, Alberta, British Columbia, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, to find ways to increase awareness and to develop preventative measures. The department has set up a strategy to provide professional development for teachers and to provide resource materials for people involved in education, to ensure that they can adequately inform people within the education system of the problems that could develop through the use of alcohol. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell us if some of this awareness will be targeted, not only at teachers and people who are in the education system, but to those families who are outside the system? Because a lot of times, although we are trying to educate people, it is those who are at school or involved in those programs. We need to actually touch base with families that do not attend school in some cases. Grandparents, parents, those that have children that are at risk of becoming involved in activities that would possibly cause harm to unborn children. Thank you.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, much of our program is aimed at young parents or potential young parents, so the health curriculum and the career and life management curriculum in senior secondary schools, deal explicitly with this problem. As well, to deal with the situation that the Member has identified, the department has identified funding for the development of a public information video related to FAS and FAE in cooperation with the Yellowknife Association for Community Living. We have also identified funding to develop a best practices support document for teachers.
Both the video and the support document will be shared with our partners in the social envelope and be made broadly available to workers in the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 268-13(4): Drug And Alcohol Counsellor From South
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My line of questioning today will also be along the lines of affirmative action. We all recognize that we have a multitude of pressures on our social programs here and it would make obvious sense to take our aboriginal and long-time northern people and put them to work, as opposed to bringing people in from the south, so that they do not have to rely on this government for their basic needs in life. The Premier indicated in his comments that the affirmative action policy is not what it should be obviously by the statistics, but he also referred to specifics.
I would like to ask a specific question of the Minister of Justice , with respect to a recent occurrence in my community, whereby I believe the details go like this. The young offenders' facility required a drug and alcohol counsellor to work with youth who are all northerners. They advertised in the north. They received applications, none of which they deemed to be qualified. They advertised again in the north and again did not have applicants which they considered suitable for the job or did not meet the strictest terms of the criteria in the job description.
Ultimately, an individual was hired from Victoria, British Columbia, to come to Hay River to work with northern youth in a young offenders' facility and I understand that there were local people, from my riding, who applied for this job. Aboriginal people, who were qualified, who did not, perhaps, meet the strictest requirements of the job. If the Premier would like to hear specifics, this is one specific situation which alarms me greatly, that there are people, unemployed, qualified to do this work sitting in my community and someone is brought in from Victoria, British Columbia.
I was wondering if the Minister of Justice could respond to that? Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware of the concern of the honourable Member. She did ask us to check into the matter earlier. I have, I believe, initiated a process to find out what happened in this particular
circumstance and I would be glad to pass that on to the honourable Member when we find out. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the criteria that was listed in the qualifications was that five years experience was required, although this individual would only be spending approximately 20 percent of their time on drug and alcohol counselling and 80 percent on general security duties. There were applicants who had somewhat less than five years experience but still a significant amount of northern experience. Is there any way to make the criteria for these jobs somewhat more flexible so that somebody can apply a little common sense to them, as opposed to the kind of outcome that has resulted in this particular case?
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, of course all circumstances are different. I do not know the specifics of the requirements for this counsellor's position. As I indicated, I will check further into the matter and advise the honourable Member. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do appreciate the Minister's willingness to look into this and I look forward to hearing the answer, but when he does find out the answer to this question and if, in fact, this individual has been hired, what remedy or recourse is there, after the fact, for dealing with a situation like this? Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that there is little recourse, depending on the circumstances, if the position is filled, there has been an offer made to the employee and that offer has been accepted. But it will certainly point out to us, if there are any difficulties, to try to alleviate any future problems, if some less stringent experience requirements can be accommodated so those types of issues can be addressed, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Question 269-13(4): Premier's Advisory Council On Business
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, one of the major initiatives, the new initiatives of this government, is the Premier 's Advisory Council on Business. We have had very few details on how this Advisory Council on Business has been working. I wonder if the Premier , the Honourable Mr. Morin , can bring us up-to-date on his Advisory Council? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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