Oral Questions, Workers’ Compensation Act, Health and Social Services — 16 February 2015 (17th Assembly, 5th Session, pp. 5529–5568)

2015-02-16, 17th Assembly 5th Session, pp. 5529–5568

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Oral Questions, Workers’ Compensation Act, Health and Social Services — 16 February 2015 (17th Assembly, 5th Session, pp. 5529–5568)

2015-02-16, 17th Assembly 5th Session, pp. 5529–5568

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Debates of Feb. 16th, 2015

This is page numbers 5529 – 5568 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Foxy Arctic Inspiration Prize

Implementation Of The NWT Mineral Development Strategy

Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

2015 Canada Winter Games Participants

Louis Riel Day

Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

Resourcing Elders Programs And Services

Morel Mushrooms Harvest

Assessing Risks And Benefits Of Hydraulic Fracturing

GNWT Position Vacancies

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

Departmental Response To Office Of The Auditor General Report

Metis Involvement In Economic Development Initiatives

Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

Resource Elders Programs And Services

Morel Mushroom Harvest

Wage Supplement Program For Early Childhood Workers

GNWT Position Vacancies

Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

GNWT Funding For Metis Local Organizations

Consultative Process For Aurora College Students

Mr. Moses’ Reply

Mr. Yakeleya’s Reply

Written Question 23-17(5): Decentralization Analysis

Tabled Document 198-17(5): Northwest Territories Law Foundation 32nd Annual Report For The Period Ending June 30, 2014

Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills

Bill 45:

An Act To Amend The Workers’ Compensation Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Before we begin, I would like to take a moment to remember and honour family and friends who have recently passed on. When our small communities lose a family member, we all feel the loss.

On behalf of this House, I want to express sincere condolences to Marcus Ruben and family on the recent passing of Ida Sarah Ruben. Ida was born in Aklavik on March 20, 1945, to Johnny and Ruth Kayotuk, and grew up with her siblings, Moses, Leland, Eva and Lena. Ida attended school in Aklavik and later Stringer Hall in Inuvik, where she met a lot of people and made a lot of friends.

On May 5, 1960, Ida married Marcus Ruben and they raised 10 children together. Ida dedicated her life to her family and enjoyed spending time out on the land with her husband, where they hunted and prepared food for the year.

Ida was a caring and loving wife, mother, daughter, auntie, sister, friend and nanuk. She touched the lives of many and was known to everyone as Nan. Ida will be missed, but never forgotten.

Roger “Malinik” Kuptana passed away peacefully December 1, 2014. Roger was born to William and Sarah Kuptana in the Mackenzie Delta north of Aklavik in May 1951. As a young boy, Roger learned the culture and traditions of his ancestors, living on the land, hunting and trapping.

At the age of 12 or 13, Roger attended school for the first time and quickly recognized the opportunities he saw before him. He continued his high school education in Fort Smith and then pursued military training in Ontario, where he began a three-year apprenticeship to become an aircraft engineer. Roger returned to the North and continued his apprenticeship with Reindeer Air Services Limited in Inuvik. Later he moved to Yellowknife to work with Wardair where, in 1976, he became the first Inuvialuit in the territory to become a licenced aircraft engineer.

In 1977 Roger moved to Sachs Harbour, where he married his wife, Jackie, and adopted two children,

Jeff and Catherine. In Sachs Harbour, Roger returned to a more traditional way of life and spent a great deal of time teaching others about his culture. Roger also became involved in sport hunting and in 1991 opened a bed and breakfast, which is now known as the PolarGrizz Lodge.

Roger knew the best of both worlds. He was successful in business and strong in his culture. Roger was generous and known for his sense of humour. Above all else, Roger valued his family. He will always be loved and remembered by all who knew him. On behalf of this House, I send condolences to Jackie Kuptana and all of the Kuptana family on their loss.

On behalf of the House, I also want to extend condolences to Bessie Ann Tedjuk and Ronald “Inung Senior” Felix and family on the passing of Ronald Norman “Inung Junior” Felix Tedjuk.

Ronald Junior was born in Inuvik on September 2, 1992. Growing up, Ronald loved hunting and fishing with his father and spending time with his brothers, family and friends. Ronald always had a smile for everyone and would always help out if somebody was in need. He loved spending time with friends, drinking coffee, playing poker and just being together. Ronald will be remembered fondly by all who knew him.

Finally, I want to extend the condolences of the House and my Nunakput constituents to Eunice Nasogaluak and family on the passing of William Nasogaluak on January 12, 2015.

William Nasogaluak was born on May 31, 1938, at Bailey Island, to Big Joe and Susie Nasogaluak. The third of 11 children, William knew the importance of family and took great pride and honour in his parents, siblings and children. Family was what mattered most in his life.

In everything he did, William worked hard to do his best, from operating heavy equipment in Alberta as a young man to working on the DEW Line sites and later, as a businessman, tending to his reindeer herd.

Despite his hard work, William found time to be an entertainer, playing guitar and bass for countless dances. He was even known to play the fiddle. William was also an Inuvialuit drummer. He took

great pride in the old songs and helped revive the drum dance group in Tuk.

William dedicated a great deal of his time to his community, from driving the school bus when he was a young man, to serving on the advisory council prior to the community becoming a hamlet, and later to serving as mayor and deputy mayor for many years. William wanted to see his community prosper and worked hard to see this through. His positive impacts on the community are just one of his legacies.

May God bless each of you who have lost a loved one. Thank you, colleagues.

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Abernethy .

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Minister's Statement 145-17(5): Foxy Arctic Inspiration Prize

Ministers’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, today I rise to recognize the Fostering Open Expression among Youth team, better known as FOXY, for receiving the $1 million Arctic Inspiration Prize.

The Arctic Inspiration Prize recognizes and promotes the extraordinary contribution made by teams in gathering Arctic knowledge and using this knowledge for real world applications. The prize is awarded by a selection committee, engaged partners and ambassadors. FOXY was nominated for this award by Premier Bob McLeod , with support from Minister Lafferty , Minister McLeod and myself. This year was the first time the entire prize had been awarded to one group, rather than split among several recipients.

FOXY is a northern-based, youth-led sexual health education program that has been operating in the Northwest Territories for three years. It focuses on the complex determinants of sexual health in the Canadian North, not just visible indicators of sexual health problems, and provides honest, realistic and comprehensive education that empowers young women to make their own informed decisions. This program is designed by and for young women. It recognizes and addresses the link between sexual health and mental health and supports youth in developing healthy relationships based on equality, respect and consent.

By encouraging youth, and especially young women, to connect with their cultures and fostering the growth of young leaders and strong social support networks, FOXY also contributes to community wellness.

FOXY was created as a new way of talking with young people about sexual health, sexuality and relationships. FOXY has provided sexual health education in the Northwest Territories since 2012. This education helps combat the high rate of

sexually transmitted infection in the Northwest Territories and provides young women with knowledge and skills to make healthy decisions regarding sexuality.

I’m sure all Members are interested in what the FOXY team will do with their well-deserved award. The additional support will help them expand the program into Yukon and Nunavut. FOXY will also provide its sexual health and leadership programs to all genders. This initiative will certainly be a great use of these extra resources.

Mr. Speaker, healthy, educated people is a goal of this Assembly and of the Government of the Northwest Territories. The Department of Health and Social Services is working toward that goal by continuing to deliver sexual health prevention and promotion activities and work with other GNWT departments on initiatives that address underlying factors contributing to the spread of STIs.

Working with innovative community partners also helps us progress toward our goal, and we will continue to work with FOXY to identify opportunities for enhanced community and youth engagement on sexual health issues. I am proud of FOXY’s achievement and excited about our ongoing collaboration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 145-17(5): Foxy Arctic Inspiration Prize

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister's Statement 146-17(5): Implementation Of The NWT Mineral Development Strategy

Ministers’ Statements

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Mr. Speaker, the resource sector is the single largest contributor to the NWT economy. Mining has created more than 28,000 jobs and produced $46 billion in minerals since the early 1930s. Those numbers help to tell the story of our success in this industry, which has provided residents and businesses across the territory with opportunities.

To ensure our residents and communities receive long-term benefits from responsible mineral exploration and development, the NWT Mineral Development Strategy and Implementation Plan were developed. Of the 28 recommendations in the plan, the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment is the lead on 12. Today I would like to update Members on the progress we are making on a few of these initiatives.

One of these initiatives is the Mining Incentive Program, launched last June. The program was oversubscribed by almost 200 percent in its inaugural year, with seven exploration companies and two prospectors receiving funding. We hope to continue this successful program for 2015.

We also recently announced the establishment of a Mining Industry Advisory Board. Once established,

this board will provide technical advice to government and ensure mining regulations are in place to foster economic growth while maintaining high regulatory, environmental and social standards.

This board will consist of between five and seven volunteers with a wide range of technical knowledge and sustainable development expertise. The Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment will recommend names of possible board members after consultation with the NWT and Nunavut Chamber of Mines to reflect the best cross-section of mining expertise as possible.

To promote the Northwest Territories as an attractive place to invest in mineral development, we have a marketing and investment campaign underway with the theme of “Unlocking our Potential.” In addition to advertisements, this campaign will build on our presence at the events and tradeshows we participate in. At the Mineral Exploration Roundup in Vancouver in January, we had a tradeshow booth that showcased the Northwest Territories and its tremendous potential to the prospectors, geoscientists and investors in attendance. I look forward to providing you with an update on this campaign at a later date.

Good geoscience information is critical to the long-term development of the NWT mining sector. To ensure government and industry have the information they need, we are working to position the Northwest Territories Geoscience Office as the principal source of public geoscience knowledge, another recommendation in the implementation plan. A study of the glacial history and permafrost conditions of the central Slave Geological Province will provide insight to guide our efforts to stimulate the next round of diamond and metals exploration in the Slave Province. This is thanks, in part, to an increase in geoscience research funding from the Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency.

We also have plans to build a geological materials storage facility in Yellowknife that will house the territory’s substantial geological collections. Exploration companies and prospectors can re-use the existing drill core which, for some companies, has resulted in millions of dollars of exploration savings.

Mr. Speaker, the Mineral Development Strategy and Implementation Plan give this government an important tool for supporting this sector and will continue to be evaluated and updated as we move forward to ensure that actions remain relevant and effective.

This Assembly has a vision of a strong, sustainable and prosperous North, Mr. Speaker. For more than 80 years, the mining industry has been a pillar of the Northwest Territories’ economy. The Mineral Development Strategy and Implementation Plan will

help us to ensure the mining industry continues to be a key contributor to achieving our vision and the NWT’s economic growth. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 146-17(5): Implementation Of The NWT Mineral Development Strategy

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Decades ago there were RCMP officers based in Tsiigehtchic, but now we only have patchy coverage from officers based in Fort McPherson. We are puzzled by this. The population has doubled, even tripled, but the community has lost its police service.

Last Thursday I had an exchange with the Justice Minister about the issue of staff housing. He said that housing shouldn’t be a hurdle to having RCMP officers overnight in Tsiigehtchic. I am glad he agreed to follow up and I look forward to hearing the results.

The budget review in the final year of the 17th Legislative Assembly is the right time to assess the goals we stated at the outset: to have sustainable, vibrant, safe communities. Once again this budget leaves some small communities with poor basic services.

The simple fact is that police presence in Tsiigehtchic is not adequate. The officer assigned to the community is based in Fort McPherson. Police response to calls from Tsiigehtchic is slow. With better police coverage, many innocent victims of crime could be spared their anguish and expense.

I know there aren’t the capital funds for a new RCMP detachment in Tsiigehtchic, but that can’t be an excuse for lack of safety. The government does not talk enough about the positive effects and even the cost savings that come with a safer community.

At the appropriate time, once again I will be asking the Justice Minister whether he is really doing his best for the people of Tsiigehtchic. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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2015 Canada Winter Games Participants

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As many are aware, the 2015 Canada Winter Games are in full swing in Prince George, British Columbia, and our NWT delegation is in sizzling hot pursuit of medals. But it’s just not medals that our athletes are

competing for, but for the chance to do their best and celebrate in friendship through sports.

Many have been following the opening ceremonies and some of our early events that are being featured on Facebook, Twitter and through media coverage, and I can tell you, Mr. Speaker, I am very proud of our delegation. So proud that I want to do a shout out to my Range Lake constituents who are participating, and they are: I have Brad Anstey, male hockey coach; I have Joshua Beland, male hockey; I’ve got Nicolas Bennett, cross country skiing; I’ve got Susanne Chambers, female hockey; Jamie Chambers, female hockey coach; I’ve got Melissa Clark for shooting; Mr.

Damon Crossman, who’s a key pillar of our mission staff. I have a whole family going. I have Austin Daniels, male hockey; Brady Daniels, male hockey; Karyne Daniels, male hockey manager; and Scott Daniels, who is part of our mission staff. I have Sarah Fleming, female hockey as an alternative; I’ve got Connor Fleming, male hockey; Evan Matatall, male hockey, Lauren Mercredi, another one of our mission staff; and, finally, Brad Mueller, male hockey coach.

We know these 2015 Canada Winter Games are the national athletic competition of a pinnacle calibre, yet I know our NWT delegation will be equally true ambassadors, showcasing our unique culture and language to the rest of Canada.

Good luck, Team NWT, do us proud. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Louis Riel Day

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the third Monday in February, which is today, the province of Manitoba celebrates Louis Riel Day. I’d also like to take the opportunity today to mention the contribution of the Metis people in my region.

Mr. Speaker, a little history: Louis Riel was born in 1844, the eldest son of a prominent Metis family based in St. Boniface, Winnipeg’s French quarter. When Riel’s people, the Red River Metis’ way of life was threatened in Canada’s plans to annex Hudson Bay’s land, he acted with strength. He formed a resistance group. He stopped the surveyors from encroaching onto their lands and then began the Red River Resistance. He fought for his land and for his people. During the winter of 1869-70, Riel formed a provisional government and presented Canada with the Bill of Rights that would become the Manitoba Act of 1870. Today, Riel is widely celebrated as the father of Manitoba.

Like Riel, the Metis in the Sahtu were always strong and decisive people. They were known as builders

in the literal sense, building cabins and traplines and communities. Also, in the figurative sense, building bridges between the two worlds.

The Sahtu Dene and Metis Land Claim Settlement Act of 1994 was the first land claim settlement to include Metis people. It’s a unique landmark in the northern Aboriginal governments and in Canada. Shortly after the settlement was reached, the Sahtu Nation was born. Among its founders were the three Metis Land Corp settlement corporations. The Sahtu Secretariat has subsequently become responsible for a wide range of activities in the Sahtu Settlement Area, clearly outlining its jurisdiction.

I stand in tribute today to Louis Riel and all the Metis people who have bravely protected their traditional lands and livelihoods. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Louis Riel Day

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last Thursday we returned home to a constituency meeting, and one of the overwhelming issues was Bill 44 ,

An Act to Amend the Health and Social Services Administration Act, that was brought before this House.

This act will create one territorial board, and that’s probably a fine concept, Mr. Speaker. That’s if we were comparing apples to apples. But the Hay River Health Authority staff are not GNWT employees, so this bill stirred a lot of those staff up.

They have a great deal of concern about how they will be rolled into the GNWT system, how they will be able to keep their seniority. We have people who are two or three years away from retiring and now they’re questioning, when this authority is created and they’re merged into it, are they going to be able to roll their pensions forward, will they be able to roll forward their sick days. This is a great deal of experience and a lot of people who are committed to our community.

We have had this issue for a long time. Over a decade ago they looked at this health authority, they looked at the cost of taking in the pensions, they looked at that and the government at that time said no, we can’t afford it. But this issue is back on the table; it’s not a new issue. We need to give comfort to those staff of the Hay River Health Authority that their seniority and experience will be respected in this new process and how it will roll out, how things will be changed, how the new health authority will affect them.

Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Health later today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Resourcing Elders Programs And Services

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last Thursday I stood up in the House to congratulate one of our elders back home a happy 95th birthday.

On Friday, when I jumped on the plane and was at the airport, I ran into some of our community members who were actually here in Yellowknife for a training course put on by the NWT Seniors’ Society, possibly in partnership with our Department of Health and Social Services, in dealing with seniors. What we talked about was numerous different issues which have always come to the forefront of this House, some in reference to elder abuse.

I just want to mention that on Friday night when I was in Inuvik at the Ingamo Hall, they were celebrating Elizabeth Greenland’s 95th birthday.

There were a lot of community elders who still live very independent lifestyles who were in attendance, who were participating in the feast and, in some cases, participating in the dance, but a bigger portion of it was the elders and the seniors from the long-term care facility. I would just like to recognize the staff, who usually go above and beyond what’s asked of them and bring a lot of these seniors to the community events so they can participate and meet with old family and old friends to continue to live that independent lifestyle.

As I sat around that night I was thinking, this is so great to see our elders continue on. A lot of people made reference to Elizabeth Greenland, how she continued on the traditions – traditional knowledge, language, culture – and how she contributed to the community. And it wasn’t just her. If you looked around the room, you saw all the elders who contributed to making the Beaufort-Delta what it was and still is today.

Today I want to ensure that we still respect our elders and ensure that we still provide the programs and services that they need, not only in the Beaufort-Delta region but right across the Northwest Territories, and that this government does, in fact, stay on top of those programs and services.

In small communities you do see where there can be elder abuse. That evening there may have been some elders that may have been recognized. So today I’ll ask the Minister of Health and Social Services , what are we doing in terms of elder abuse? What are we doing in terms of the care mobility program with housing as well as a duty to

report? I’ll ask the Minister of Health and Social Services those questions later on today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Resourcing Elders Programs And Services

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Morel Mushrooms Harvest

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. There’s a global demand for morel mushrooms. They are only found in the wild and are highly prized. Delicious and versatile, they are suitable for a range of gourmet recipes. Morel mushrooms can be sautéed, grilled, smoked or baked, and served up with fish, meat, pasta and soup, or prepared as a simple appetizer. In fact, at the Canadian Culinary Championships held in Kelowna, BC, earlier this month, mushrooms from the NWT were featured in the winning dish. After last year’s fire season, they’re expecting a bumper crop, so we need to be ready.

Today I’d like to follow up on an exchange from last October with the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment . The Minister stated that they would be holding orientations in communities, developing a how-to booklet to inform people about morel mushrooms, where to find them, what they look like, maps of burn areas, harvesting methods, harvester or buyer interaction, necessary tools and what to watch out for, including bears.

He said that between November and February they would be visiting Kakisa, Fort Providence, Fort Simpson, Jean Marie River, Enterprise, Hay River Reserve, Hay River, Fort Smith and Fort Resolution. Later I will be asking the Minister for an update on these community visits.

The Minister also agreed that we need to ensure that buyers have a business licence. Finally, the Minister agreed that Aboriginal governments should be encouraged to step in and help their community members.

I’m encouraged by the steps this government has taken to date. Going forward, it needs to support and regulate the mushroom harvest in a way that really benefits our residents and the local economy.

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Morel Mushrooms Harvest

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Assessing Risks And Benefits Of Hydraulic Fracturing

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There’s a big emphasis on the need for economic development in our territory from this 17th Assembly

government. I recognize the need for it, but our approach is somewhat flawed, especially around the issue of fracking.

This is a very controversial topic and a very confusing one. The average NWT resident hears either no info or too much info, and what they do hear is often contradictory. On the one hand, the message is fracking is all good, it’s safe, and we should allow the practice. On the other hand, the message is that it is a practice fraught with dangers and unknowns and we should ban it.

It’s generally accepted that development of any kind has an impact on the environment. The question is: How much of an impact? In the case of fracking we have yet to determine that impact and it’s imperative that we know. We need to enter into a process similar to that of the Yukon. Theirs was a special committee of the legislature which spent a year or more investigating the risks and benefits of fracking. We need what they just finished doing, a comprehensive, consultative action that looks at both sides of the fracking puzzle, the pro and the con.

There’s fear associated with fracking because of the unknowns and the potential risks. Our residents have expressed their fears through petitions, calls for a moratorium or an outright ban on the process, and calls for consultation and investigation. Others, including our own Minister of ITI , dismiss the fears and concerns and suggest they are ill-founded. But what are the risks? We don’t know at this point, and we should know in order to make informed decisions about whether to frack or not.

I don’t know if I should believe the critics or the proponents of the fracking process. Why don’t I know? Because I don’t know the risks and/or the benefits. I don’t have the knowledge to make an informed decision. I believe we’re lucky right now because there’s a bit of a break in fracking activity. It’s a perfect opportunity to do the necessary research, investigation and consultation, to explore the potential impacts of fracking for the NWT, to do the work, get the knowledge and arm ourselves with information in order to make a good decision.

Our residents want to be part of the decision, but they need knowledge to do that, and at the moment they do not have it. This government, this Assembly must establish something akin to the Yukon model to investigate the risks and benefits of fracking. The government regularly states that it respects the land and the environment and that it’s committed to doing the best for our territory. If the words are heartfelt and honest, our land deserves no less than an exhaustive look at what fracking may or may not do to our territory.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Mr. Hawkins .

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GNWT Position Vacancies

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to talk today about one of my favourite subjects which is jobs. I know probably most of you expected either power bills or certainly the cost of living to be on the topic. But you know what? Frankly, what better relates to them than jobs?

According to the Minister’s numbers the other day, we have 466 jobs that they are presently working on in some form, stage or consideration, and again according to the Minister’s numbers, he said the total number of vacancies on the books is 1,038 jobs. To be clear, that’s about 20 percent of the NWT government’s workforce. That’s a lot of people without jobs or vacancies or in some other type of consideration. However, if we work with those numbers, the Minister’s numbers, that means we have 572 jobs not being looked at in some form or fashion. So they’re either doing nothing or very little about them.

To be clear, these 572 jobs, that we don’t know what they’re doing with, represent 10 percent of our unstaffed and unaccounted for workforce. We know not every one of these additional positions has the intent to be filled. As a matter of fact, we heard the Minister that through his numbers where he accounts for some of them in the grey area, if I may describe, but he doesn’t account for them all.

The issue really, to me, keeps coming back to the fact that we are funding many of these positions, not all of them, but most of them in some form or fashion. The question that keeps occurring to me, and certainly the public, is where does all this money go? I can better describe it as mystery money as to where it shows up and where it goes. I can’t say in this House that that money won’t be accounted for in some way or some fashion, but it is really fuzzy when you try to find it and follow the numbers.

The issue comes down to things like this: Why aren’t we properly filling them? Well, the Minister will tell you we have casuals filling some of these jobs. Staffing long-term vacancies through a casual process is not the right way. If these jobs are important, then fill them properly. We all know casual positions don’t require the same amount of money as a normal staffing position would. So then again that begs the question, where is that job money going?

If we can’t fill these jobs, then let’s turn them into training positions. People need experience to get jobs. If the government is asking too much for credentials for these jobs, then we should be asking ourselves are we filling them the right way with the right people who need opportunities. Most importantly on this particular question of where the jobs are going, have we evaluated any of these as great opportunities to provide decentralization to

help stimulate economic opportunities in other regions?

I will have questions for the Minister of Human Resources later today about jobs. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 7, oral questions. Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a few questions.

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Jackie Jacobson

Sorry, Mr. Blake . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

I’d like to welcome Ernest Betsina, the chief of Ndilo. Welcome. Also, His Worship Mayor Ray Ruben from Paulatuk. Welcome to the House. Mr. Abernethy .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize a couple of the FOXY peer leaders in the gallery today: Makenzie Zouboules, Coco Paulette and Brianna Shae. Thank you all for the amazing work you’ve done in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Mr. Moses .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too would like to welcome Chief Ernest Betsina to the House as well as Mayor Ray Ruben. I hope you enjoy the proceedings. Welcome to the House.

I’d also like to welcome the FOXY peer leaders. That is a great program and one that I fully support. That you for all the hard work that you’re doing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Welcome everybody here in the public gallery. Thank you for taking in our proceedings today.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 618-17(5): Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ll try this again. My questions are for the Minister of Justice .

Can the Minister state how long it takes the RCMP to respond to complaints in Tsiigehtchic compared to Fort McPherson? Thank you

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Question 618-17(5): Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The Minister of Justice , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 618-17(5): Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The response time would be the amount of time it takes to get the call through the centre and get an

officer dispatched to the community of Tsiigehtchic, which of course, as the Member knows, is a fair distance from the community of Fort McPherson. But, as soon as possible. As soon as they can respond to the concern in Tsiigehtchic, they’d be there. Thank you.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

At times it takes anywhere from two hours to 24 hours for response calls, just so the Minister has that information.

I’d like to ask the Minister to describe the benefits of having a permanent police detachment in those communities lucky enough to have them.

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Question 618-17(5): Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

When deciding if it’s appropriate to invest the significant amount of funding – and I mentioned in the House last week that it’s between seven and 11 million dollars for a stand-alone RCMP detachment – some of the things that we must take into consideration are population, crime rates, workload of members, remoteness, calls for service historically, financial and human resources, infrastructure, types of calls for service, access to the community via all-weather road, winter roads, weather variability and also funding and priorities. So, there’s a number of factors that go into whether or not a detachment would be constructed in a community. Thank you.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

That wasn’t the question. The question was to describe the benefits of having a detachment in those communities, but I’ll let the Minister answer that again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 618-17(5): Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

The benefits of having a detachment would be obvious. Calls would come in and members would be located in the community that has a detachment, so response times would be that much quicker. Thank you.

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Question 618-17(5): Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Blake .

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Question 618-17(5): Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Will the Minister meet with the community leaders in Tsiigehtchic to discuss ways to build up a grassroots, community-based policing presence? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 618-17(5): Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

As Members know, I have a track record of wanting to get into communities and discuss with community leaders how best to police communities. We’ve got community policing plans that we’ve got in place across the territory. We’re also moving forward with community safety plans. At the earliest opportunity I’d be happy to accompany the Member and also the RCMP to visit the community of Tsiigehtchic, to sit down with the community leaders and the MLA to discuss how we can move forward.

I know the issue that we had last week is also an issue that we want to see overcome with the housing and having members overnight in the community of Tsiigehtchic. So yes, the answer to the Member’s question is: at the earliest opportunity. If there is a community tour we

can get into Tsiigehtchic, the sooner the better. Thank you.

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Question 618-17(5): Tsiigehtchic Police Presence

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 619-17(5): Departmental Response To Office Of The Auditor General Report

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Given the recent scathing report of the Auditor General of Canada and work done in the 16th Assembly on

child and family services, and with over 100 combined recommendations between these two initiatives, we know the Minister and his department have their work cut out for them. Therefore, it’s important that we keep tabs on where this is going and their progress. My questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services .

Following the Office of the Auditor General of Canada Report on Child and Family Services, the Minister indicated his intention of hiring two assistant directors, one for child and family services, a second for mental health and addictions.

Can the Minister indicate if this is indeed complete and in place? Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Minister of Health , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 619-17(5): Departmental Response To Office Of The Auditor General Report

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have one of those individuals in place. We have been recruiting for the other one without any success at this point, but I will certainly keep the Members informed as to when we’re finally able to successfully fill that position. Thank you.

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Question 619-17(5): Departmental Response To Office Of The Auditor General Report

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

So, we’re at 50 percent on that question.

According to the department’s Building Stronger Families Action Plan, in response to the OAG report, it states on page 7 that a forum of directors of social programs will be responsible for implementation.

Can the Minister indicate why are not the assistant directors, in conjunction with the director, responsible for implementing the action plan? Why the watered down approach in response to such a serious issue? Thank you.

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Question 619-17(5): Departmental Response To Office Of The Auditor General Report

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

It’s hardly a watered down approach. The territorial director is involved in that working group as well as the directors of social services and all the authorities in the Northwest Territories. They meet on a regular basis – monthly at this point – to ensure that this progress, this initiative is rolled out as the timelines have outlined.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, on page 7 of the same action plan, the department’s senior officials are described as “risk adverse, where out of sight

out of mind defines the optimal level when it comes to child protection services.”

Can the Minister inform the House, does this set the stage for further failures when there appears in a department’s own words a culture of complacency among its top officials? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, it doesn’t seem to be in the right order here. That was something that was occurring. That’s one of the main reasons we’re doing a fundamental change in how we provide child and family services in the Northwest Territories. According to the Auditor General, there wasn’t enough accountability, so we actually made all the CEOs in all the authorities associate directors under the legislation, which has brought this to the forefront and made it a priority in every authority.

To the Member’s point, this is a priority; it is being dealt with; we are moving forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 619-17(5): Departmental Response To Office Of The Auditor General Report

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Short, final supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 619-17(5): Departmental Response To Office Of The Auditor General Report

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I do appreciate the Minister’s comments here, but it appears that we’re still moving very slowly on this serious issue.

We can only assume that hiring the Child Welfare League to help the GNWT with the action plan and the numerous and new enhanced activities that we’ve heard and been proposed will cost considerable money. Yet it appears that no new additional resources have been used or put forth in the budget, which suggests failure.

Can the Minister indicate how realistic is it that his department is able to accomplish all this with no new investment? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, we’re conscious and aware of the fiscal realities of this government and we are doing the work that is necessary. We’ve got the team in place with the individuals who can do the work and we continue to move forward. We’ve already made significant progress. We’ll continue to make progress and this will happen.

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Question 619-17(5): Departmental Response To Office Of The Auditor General Report

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 620-17(5): Metis Involvement In Economic Development Initiatives

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today celebrates the strength of the Metis people. Despite the presence of the colonial powers, the churches, governments and residential schools, the Sahtu Metis have stood strong and have stood for their rights. My questions today are

for the Minister of Aboriginal and Intergovernmental Affairs .

Can the Premier describe this government’s efforts to further strengthen Metis economic development and participation in major development projects?

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Question 620-17(5): Metis Involvement In Economic Development Initiatives

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 620-17(5): Metis Involvement In Economic Development Initiatives

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our government endeavours to make sure that all Aboriginal governments can benefit from development in all parts of the region and we work very closely with the Metis governments and Metis locals. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 620-17(5): Metis Involvement In Economic Development Initiatives

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

One of the priorities of the Metis National Council is to develop the common standards for Metis Nation registers.

In his dialogue with the Harper government, has this government played a role in developing a common standards for Metis national registries?

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

We’ve left that up to the Metis governments to decide whether they want to participate nationally. At one time the Metis Nation was part of CAP; another time it was part of MNC. For the past 10 years or so, they haven’t been associated with any national Metis organizations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 620-17(5): Metis Involvement In Economic Development Initiatives

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, some of the federal government’s responsibilities in jurisdictions do not include the Metis people, such as the University and College Entrance Program.

Is the Government of the Northwest Territories working with the federal government to ensure that the Metis are treated just as the Inuvialuit, Inuit or the First Nations people?

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Question 620-17(5): Metis Involvement In Economic Development Initiatives

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Certainly, within our own Government of the Northwest Territories programs, we treat all Aboriginal groups the same, especially when you look at Student Financial Assistance. I’ve had some discussions with the federal Metis interlocutor and I could raise Metis issues with him as well.

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Question 620-17(5): Metis Involvement In Economic Development Initiatives

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 620-17(5): Metis Involvement In Economic Development Initiatives

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Premier report back to the House as to the specific issues that the Premier is going to raise with the Minister and report on an action plan, if there is one that is being developed, between the Minister and the Premier on Metis rights in the Northwest Territories?

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Question 620-17(5): Metis Involvement In Economic Development Initiatives

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

As a government we provide $20,000 a year in core funding to Metis locals and there are a number of Metis issues that we would want to have clarified with the federal Metis interlocutor, and I would be pleased to report back.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 621-17(5): Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow up, I have questions for the Minister of Health . My first question is: How is the GNWT planning to bring the Hay River Health Authority into the GNWT, especially in light of them creating a one health board system?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Minister of Health , Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bill 44 actually provides us with the flexibility to ensure the process for bringing Hay River health and social services staff into the public service can be coordinated in a manner that addresses the needs of both the GNWT, the UNW, Hay River Health and Social Services Authority and superann.

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

My next question is: What assurance does the Minister have and what consultation will the Minister do with the Hay River Health Authority seeing as they’re a special entity in the process of this new act?

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Bringing Hay River into the one social services authority is an important element of the system transformation. We will absolutely work closely with Hay River Health Authority, the staff representatives, the union, but we also have to include superannuation, because one of the hanging points is what if, at all, the superann is willing to allow these individuals to leave or come into the GNWT, so a lot of negotiations. The GNWT currently has a mandate to begin those negotiations with the UNW, superann and Hay River Health and Social Services Authority.

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

My next question is: Would the staff’s seniority benefits be protected in this merger to go into the GNWT?

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Any time the GNWT has worked with other governments or other bodies to bring staff into our employ, we have always been very, very conscious of these concerns and we’ve always worked really hard with those organizations, whether it’s the federal government or whether it was the Hay River Health Authority or five years ago or almost 10 years ago when we did the initial negotiations. We do our best and we will work with their union. Their union will want to protect their employees and we want to make sure the employees get a fair transition.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bouchard .

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A while back the Minister was in Hay River and he committed to getting a cost associated to the pensions. Has the Minister come up with any of those numbers yet? It’s been some time.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

There are so many numbers that are out there and we can estimate what some of those numbers will be, but until we actually get into the negotiation with the UNW, the employers’ rep, the employer as well as superann, we’re not going to know the full costs. We have been given the mandate by the FMB, Department of Health and Social Services and Human Resources to develop a mandate and begin those negotiations which will help us determine the actual cost of this transition.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 622-17(5): Resource Elders Programs And Services

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I welcome the Minister back to the House. I have some questions for him, as well, today. I’d like to ask the Minister, in follow up to my Member’s statement earlier about seniors and programs that we do have for seniors, looking at the report, Our Elders, Our Communities document that was tabled in May 2014, some of the statistics show that elders who receive home care services vary from region to region. In some cases there are a lot of seniors who require that kind of service.

So I’d like to ask the Minister, what is our government doing to offset some of those high uses of home care, especially in the Beaufort-Delta where I think that’s one of the highest areas that access some of these home care services, and whether or not we have the resources to address those needs. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Minister of Health , Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.One of the large things we’re doing is actually the system transformation, which will allow us to focus our resources more appropriately than we have in the past. This will make an actual improvement in all areas of health and social services in the Northwest Territories, including the supports that we provide with home care. It will also ensure that we have a consistent approach for home care across the Northwest Territories. We also have partnerships with the NWT Seniors’ Society and we do provide them with a significant amount of money to run a number of different programs which we partner in as well.

One of the things that we’re partnering is the NWT network to prevent abuse of seniors, of which the

NWT Seniors’ Society has run and we’re helping to fund that program. We’re helping to create awareness and other information around falls and elder abuse. Thank you.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

I’m glad to hear the Minister speak towards elder abuse and creating some kind of awareness program.

There are all kinds of elder abuse, financial, physical, psychological, neglect, you could go on and on with the list. One thing that I’ve brought up in this House over the years is the duty to report and whether or not that’s something this government would like to implement as a policy for our senior care staff, or even the RCMP or anybody that works with seniors, that if they believe there’s abuse occurring that they have a duty to report that abuse.

Is there any update on that duty to report policy, or something that the government is looking at creating? Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

There is no duty to report policy at this point in time, but if that’s something the committee is interested in, it certainly sounds like an interesting idea and I’d certainly be willing to have some discussions with committee on that topic. Thank you.

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

As we go through the budget, we understand that there are going to be some seniors homes that are being built in some of the communities across the Northwest Territories.

Is the Minister working with the communities to look at how we can train some of our local residents to take those jobs in those seniors’ homes when they’re up and ready to run? Is he starting now to get the proper training for our local residents so they can have the jobs in those homes? Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you. We provide training or, rather, we partner in training for individuals that are taking or interested in resident care. Its primary focus right now is on the facilities, but that training is something that certainly we can look at expanding to other individuals to provide that type of support in communities throughout the Northwest Territories. So, resident care as well as home support workers. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned earlier in my Member’s statement, I did speak with some people in the airports that were here for some training last week. I’m not sure if it was in partnership with Health and the Seniors’ Society, but it’s a great support system that we have for people who do this job.

My last question is in terms of the Care Mobility Program that the Housing Corporation is putting out there in this upcoming budget where the Housing

Corp goes out to the communities and they help build the homes for seniors.

I’d like to ask, has the Minister had any input or given any direction on how these houses could be more adapted to seniors so they can live a more independent lifestyle in their homes? Has he had any discussions with the Housing Corporation and the architects to make sure that these houses are more adaptable living for senior citizens? Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you. The Department of Health and Social Services continuing care and health systems planning staff actually have worked closely with the NWT Housing Corporation infrastructure services staff in the development of independent living models to support the community’s ability to meet seniors’ needs in the areas of socialization, nutrition and hygiene. This includes ensuring that there is some public space or some program space in each of these independent living units that can be utilized by Health and Social Services staff when they come in to meet with the residents of those buildings. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 623-17(5): Morel Mushroom Harvest

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment . Will the Minister provide an update on the how-to booklet and the number of community visits that have been completed to date? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 623-17(5): Morel Mushroom Harvest

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 623-17(5): Morel Mushroom Harvest

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Member for his questions. We have two booklets we are going to be producing in relation to the harvest of morel mushrooms. The first will be an information brochure, which will be targeted to community leaders, educators, Aboriginal organizations, associations, government departments and the general public. The brochure will offer readers information on the harvest of morel mushrooms. The brochure will be published and distributed through our regional offices at ITI and also through ENR regional offices and be made available on both department websites.

The second document will involve the production of a how-to pocketsize booklet aimed at harvesters. There will be three separate booklets prepared, one for each region, North Slave, South Slave and the Deh Cho. The booklets will be region-specific in terms of information and emergency contacts with a map of the burn areas in each region. The North

Slave booklet will speak to the Tlicho Final Agreement and the need to ensure harvesters gain the appropriate authorizations in order to harvest on Tlicho land. The booklets will provide at-a-glance instruction about morel mushrooms, where to find them, what they look like, maps of the burn areas, harvesting methodology, harvester/buyer interaction, tools and equipment needed and what to watch out for. I know the Member mentioned bears earlier. Certainly bear safety is something people should be aware of.

The target audience, of course, is the harvesters. Production will be in the range of 1,500 to 2,000 coloured booklets. Again, they will be distributed through ITI regional offices and also regional offices of Environment and Natural Resources. Thank you.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

It’s been suggested by a person that has experienced the mushroom harvest last year that this initiative could be a great investment by this government and that similar policy initiatives and programs could be very similar to the Grubstake Program. The mushroom harvest is potentially a multi-million dollar industry.

Does the Minister have specific strategies that would assist Aboriginal governments to capitalize on this economic opportunity? Mahsi.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

We certainly understand the benefit of supporting the morel mushroom harvest in the Northwest Territories. Everyone knows what a horrendous fire season the Northwest Territories endured last summer. This year we are going to have a real good crop of morel mushrooms. We are planning community visits in the South Slave coming up starting next week. We’ll be at the Hay River Reserve February 23rd , in

Hay River in the evening of February 23rd , Fort

Resolution on the evening of the 24th , Fort Smith on

February 25th , Enterprise on February 26th and

Kakisa on February 27th . We are also hoping to get

into other communities in the South Slave and North Slave. In addition to that we’re also going to be conducting walking workshops. When the season does open for morels, we will have guided trips into the burn area, so we can bring people in and show them how to harvest morel mushrooms for themselves. Thank you.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Can the Minister let us know if any follow up has happened to ensure that buyers have a business licence? Is the government adequately equipped and staffed to provide this oversight? Mahsi.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

In order to conduct business in the Northwest Territories, legally they are required to have a business licence to carry out business or business pursuits in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli .

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Question 623-17(5): Morel Mushroom Harvest

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the last discussions I had with the Minister in this House, the Minister had indicated that travel will be done either through the Minister’s office or his officials in the communities. It’s quite surprising those visits haven’t been done. The other point I want to make leading up to my final supplementary is that no strategies should entail in terms of how is it communities will be in a position to take advantage of this opportunity that’s going to happen this summer. Last year Trout River and Jean Marie River areas saw lots of people go into the communities.

Has there been a report done in terms of the experiences we have had and how have we learned from that? Mahsi.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

I’m certain that regional offices in the Deh Cho had prepared reports. I could try to get a copy of the report that was prepared by the regional office. One of the clear messages that we have to send to these guys if they come back up next summer is we are going to have to try to get an able-bodied workforce here in the Northwest Territories from our communities that can go out and harvest morel mushrooms. They can leave their pickers at home because we should have pickers here in the Northwest Territories that can go out and get the work and make the money themselves, and those pickers can stay down south. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 624-17(5): Wage Supplement Program For Early Childhood Workers

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some questions today for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . There is a lot going on at Education, Culture and Employment these days, lots of change, lots of action plans, and as part of the Early Childhood Development Action Plan, last week the Minister made a statement and he announced the start of a wage supplement program. He told us about the program last year, and according to the Minister’s statement, the first payments of the wage supplement were made on February 13th , so just last Friday.

Daycares and preschools struggle to make ends meet. My questions go to the Minister. I would like to know how the department arrived at the amount of the wage subsidy that they are giving out to the ECE staff. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 624-17(5): Wage Supplement Program For Early Childhood Workers

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. When we first introduced the grant, the

staff grant with the stakeholders across the Northwest Territories, we did our research. We found out that we have one of the lowest paid workers, early childhood workers across the Northwest Territories. We want to give them incentives for them to pursue higher education, even as far as certification, diploma degrees and even masters’ programs so they can come back to our organizations and work for us. We wanted to provide some incentives, so we have had research done and talked to a number of stakeholders. Those are the results we came to from input from the general public. Mahsi.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I hope the Minister was stating or suggesting that he did some consultation with daycares and with preschools in order to try to arrive at a reasonable figure. The fact that we have the lowest paid early childhood educator workers suggests to me that we have daycares and preschools that struggle to make ends meet.

So I’d like to ask the Minister, second of all, the Minister seemed to indicate, and I think he indicated in his statement that this grant or this subsidy, whatever you want to call it, has to go directly to the staff person. Does it go there and does it have to go there? Thank you.

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Question 624-17(5): Wage Supplement Program For Early Childhood Workers

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Yes, that is part of the plan. The staff grant will go directly to the staff. As you know, some of the staff have worked over 20-plus years. This will be an incentive for them to be more committed and further their education if they want to. We provide the incentive for them primarily focusing in those areas. We provide the funding directly to the staff so there’s no implication on organizations, whether it is expenditures or budget planning process. This has been already indicated. We spoke with numerous workers, as well, and they are fully aware that this money is available to them.

It’s based on applications and we’ve received a majority of applications already and we initiated some of the payments last week. We will continue to do that, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.

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Question 624-17(5): Wage Supplement Program For Early Childhood Workers

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister.So, you know, we are now adding some to the wages to some of the early childhood educators and that’s a great thing. If we have the lowest paid workers, we really ought to be doing something to increase their pay. But I’d like to know from the Minister how that is intended to assist daycares in their overall expenses. I don’t believe there’s been an increase in the daily subsidy to daycares for quite some time.

So I’d like to ask the Minister, how does assisting the workers with their wages help the daycare with their costs of running their business, and when was the last time there was any kind of an increase in the daily subsidy? Thank you.

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Question 624-17(5): Wage Supplement Program For Early Childhood Workers

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

As I stated, we’ve done a variety of research across the North. That also includes the daycare operators and early

childhood workers as well. Based on the results that came back… We provide funding to the daycare operators, whether it be the mortgage, whether it be other areas of subsidy for them to operate, whether it be day homes, even at daycare facilities.

The early childhood workers, as I stated earlier, are one of the lowest paid wages across the country but more so in the Northwest Territories, and this is one way of attracting more individuals to pursue early childhood worker programming to develop in those areas. That’s the very reason why we’ve initiated the staff grant programming for this particular area. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 624-17(5): Wage Supplement Program For Early Childhood Workers

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Speaker. I’ll repeat the question that I just asked the Minister. When was the last time that the daily subsidy for daycares and preschools was increased? Thank you.

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Question 624-17(5): Wage Supplement Program For Early Childhood Workers

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I was going through my notes; I don’t have that specific detailed information. I will provide that to the Member. Mahsi.

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Question 624-17(5): Wage Supplement Program For Early Childhood Workers

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 625-17(5): GNWT Position Vacancies

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s been raised many times in this House about vacancies and the percentage now. The percentage is a number that moves back and forth, but we’ve agreed that in some form or fashion the government usually has about a 15 percent vacancy. It’s gone down to 13 but it’s gone as high as 16. So if we even take 15 percent, that’s 735 people not staffed at any one particular time in the Government of the Northwest Territories. So as we hire one, we lose one.

It’s rote rolling, and to give you an illustration of that figure so I can get to my question, that’s approximately $60 million of human resource money at any one time that isn’t being tapped into because it’s waiting for someone to be hired because someone has gone out.

So, speaking to that money and how it was important for me to illustrate that was, how does the government track that money that isn’t being attached to or following any particular human person being paid through the human resource process, because we should really drill down to this actual dollar amount that isn’t being used properly. Thank you.

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Question 625-17(5): GNWT Position Vacancies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Minister of Human Resources , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 625-17(5): GNWT Position Vacancies

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. The responsibility of the budgets lies with the

various deputy ministers for each of their own departments. The vacancy is across the government. It is a reality of the public service right across the country. We do have a bit of a higher vacancy rate, I would say, than some of the other jurisdictions, but it’s fairly even with the smaller jurisdictions across the country. So, we don’t consider it to be anything unusual, but we are working with the vacancy report to ensure that we are actively looking at the vacancy report as we’re trying to fill the positions in the various departments. Thank you.

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Question 625-17(5): GNWT Position Vacancies

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

So if we had almost $60 million floating around in the bureaucracy in some form or fashion that’s never being tapped into, does Human Resources not have a policy about how money should be spent? So in other words, if money is dedicated, passed through the budget process in this very Assembly for human resource dollars, do we not have a policy that ensures it is spent only on human resource dollars? Thank you.

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Question 625-17(5): GNWT Position Vacancies

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Again, the responsibility lies with each department; however, there has been some progress. In the last vacancy report as of April, we had we had over 1,200 vacant positions in the various categories. Actually, there are 11 different categories that we look at for the vacancies, and the last report as of October was just over 1,000, 1,038.

Many of the functions where we have difficulty recruiting full-time, we do hire casuals. We have, as of the snapshot on October 31, 2014, we were carrying about 183 casuals across the government. As the Member indicated in the Member’s statement, we are trying to fill 466 positions and there are other inactive positions, as well, that have a fairly significant number.

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Question 625-17(5): GNWT Position Vacancies

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I asked about a policy that redirected human resource money to other functions and I didn’t get an answer, so I will assume we don’t have one.

Wouldn’t it be in the interests of the Department of Human Resources to track this additional money because it would lend the argument to the government knowing what type of money it has and its availability to spend on human resources, and it could give the membership of this Assembly, the MLAs the opportunity to talk about redirecting it as training money to help build strengths and competencies for these types of vacancies. Would that not sound reasonable?

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Question 625-17(5): GNWT Position Vacancies

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The government does try to fill all of the positions. Sometimes the money for positions – and it’s not a whole lot of positions – does get used for other O and M requirements. It’s not like it’s wide open that the Ministers or deputy ministers can move money around from out of the O and M fund for salaries back and forth. It’s targeted for that and we try our best to fill those

particular positions. Like the Member indicated, there are about 500 positions coming and going out of the public service on an annual basis and the rest of the vacancies are in other categories that are being filled by casual or inactive positions, for the most part.

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Question 625-17(5): GNWT Position Vacancies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary. Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 625-17(5): GNWT Position Vacancies

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had mentioned how some of the money migrates into O and M and, frankly, this is concerning because I’m trying to find ways that we can either turn these empty jobs into training opportunities where we find ways to find folks or even evaluate them through the decentralization policy to find out if that makes sense.

Would the Minister be willing to see if he can help calculate and capture an actual real dollar amount of the money that is not directly being spent on human resource money through the normal staffing of positions so we can get a grip on this dollar amount so we can find a better way to ensure that we’re hiring people not just in the capital here but throughout the Northwest Territories? It’s job money. That’s what it was intended for. Can he do that?

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Question 625-17(5): GNWT Position Vacancies

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Human Resources does work with other departments. We have a program now where we were anticipating filling quite a few of the positions in the departments called the Regional Recruitment Program, which is essentially a training program where an individual doesn’t meet all of their tasks, a candidate doesn’t meet all the tasks or functions of the job that are necessary to complete the job can be put into a regional recruitment position and then within that position they would get the training necessary to get them to a fully functioning position.

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Question 625-17(5): GNWT Position Vacancies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 626-17(5): Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I still have a few follow-up questions on Bill 44 and the Hay River Health Authority, how it’s being implemented. The first question that I have is: Is it the department’s intent to move forward on Bill 44 with or without the Hay River authority becoming GNWT employees?

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Question 626-17(5): Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Mr. Bouchard , the bill is currently before standing committee right now, so could you redirect your question to the Minister or reword. Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 626-17(5): Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question. Is the Minister willing to come to Hay

River to discuss how the Hay River authority could become GNWT employees?

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Question 626-17(5): Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 626-17(5): Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Yes.

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Question 626-17(5): Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

I guess the question is: When would the Minister be coming down to Hay River to discuss this issue?

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Question 626-17(5): Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

After session.

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Question 626-17(5): Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

I guess the question is: How do I support Bill 44 if I can’t ask the Minister how the Hay River Health Authority is going to be implemented? I guess my question is: Is there a framework that will be implemented to structure Hay River Health Authority in before or after the bill?

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Question 626-17(5): Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

The bill actually allows us the flexibility to roll in Hay River. Whether it’s all up front or whether we transition it over a time, the bill actually gives us the freedom to roll it in.

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Question 626-17(5): Impacts Of Health Governance Reform On Hay River Health Authority

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 627-17(5): GNWT Funding For Metis Local Organizations

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations questions. I listened with interest as the Minister talked about the Metis people organizations in the Northwest Territories. The Premier mentioned $20,000 to the Metis organizations.

Can the Premier inform the House as to how many Metis organizations have received this $20,000 and what is the $20,000 for, for these Metis organizations?

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Question 627-17(5): GNWT Funding For Metis Local Organizations

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 627-17(5): GNWT Funding For Metis Local Organizations

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We used to have 17 Metis locals; we’re down to 10. The funding is for core funding and administration.

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Question 627-17(5): GNWT Funding For Metis Local Organizations

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

For these 10 Metis organizations, this $20,000 for core funding, that’s a big piece of work that the organizations do. Does our government really believe that the Metis could operate on core funding of $20,000? Let it be known that the cost of operating in the Northwest Territories is astronomical. Is that out of the goodness of the heart of the GNWT, because I surely see a lacking of the federal government involvement in this type of funding.

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Question 627-17(5): GNWT Funding For Metis Local Organizations

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

The funding comes from the core funding that used to go to the Metis Nation of the Northwest Territories. When that body dissolved the money that was available was divided amongst

17 Metis locals. They used to receive $13,500, and two years ago we changed the funding formula so they get $20,000 each now.

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Question 627-17(5): GNWT Funding For Metis Local Organizations

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Is there any sense of this good government going to see Ottawa and the Minister and saying, given that the Constitution has been settled, the Metis people are in the Constitution, is the federal government by any way going to help with our government? Because you do the math of the core funding of $20,000 for a political, constitutional organization, and this is what our government is doing, but the federal government is nowhere to be seen. Is our government doing anything to increase this core funding? This is shameful to give a political organization this type of money.

While we appreciate it from the territorial government, where are the feds in this deal here?

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