Legislative Debates — 13 February 2006 (15th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 949–996)

2006-02-13, 15th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 949–996

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Legislative Debates — 13 February 2006 (15th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 949–996)

2006-02-13, 15th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 949–996

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Debates of Feb. 13th, 2006

This is page numbers 949 - 996 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was know .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From The House

Northern-based Drug And Alcohol Treatment Programs

Attendance At Tlicho Leadership Tour

Tu Nedhe Participants In The Arctic Winter Games

Readiness To Address Crystal Meth Abuse And Addictions

Recognition Of Sporting Achievements Of Rex Cockney

Role Of The GNWT In The Development Of The Mackenzie Gas Pipeline

Housing Opportunities Arising From The Mackenzie Gas Pipeline

Financial Plight Of Non-government Organizations

Protection Of Children Using Drugs

Consultation Process On Government Procurement Policies

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Meeting The Housing Needs Of Northerners

Funding For Non-government Organizations

Impact On Closure Of The Perry Building

Socio-economic Funding For Larger Centres

Business Interest In Business Incentive Policy

Homeowner Role In Housing Construction

Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Written Question 27-15(4): Atco Novel Site Tours

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation For Energy Efficient Facilities, Equipment And Employee Rewards Programs

Recommendation That Resources Be Pooled Within The Technology Services Centre

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 949

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 68-15(4): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 949

Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Michael Miltenberger will be absent from the House today and tomorrow to attend the Joint Review Panel in Inuvik. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 68-15(4): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 949

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Northern-based Drug And Alcohol Treatment Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 949

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recently in Inuvik there was another meeting held on the effects of crack cocaine. This is the second such meeting within the past 18 months and people up there are still getting frustrated with the onslaught of drugs into the community. Many people seem to think that with all the money coming into town from the pipeline, the use of drugs will increase.

We've always had problems, Mr. Speaker, with drugs in the communities. We've always had some sort of social problems. One of the biggest problems, I still believe, is the amount of alcohol that is abused in the Northwest Territories.

When I sit, Mr. Speaker, and listen to a parent agonizing over the decision their child is making on crack, that bothers me and the lack of options for treatment. We have to send them south for treatment in a lot of cases.

In Alberta, Mr. Speaker, there is a program that is run close by the mountains for kids who are addicted to drugs. It's a three-month program. They go out on the land for three months and a lot of these kids don't want to leave once they are doing this program. Why can't we have such a program as this, Mr. Speaker? With all the money we seem to spend in sending kids south for treatment, we should be able to build our own ranch. Some people say it's hard to earn a living off the land and I tend to agree with that with the way things are going; it is getting tougher. But I firmly believe, Mr. Speaker, by being out on the land you can learn how to live.

Mr. Speaker, let's give residents of the Northwest Territories an opportunity to heal on their own land instead of sending them south. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Northern-based Drug And Alcohol Treatment Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 949

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Attendance At Tlicho Leadership Tour

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 949

Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I would like to say something. Last week, I visited my four communities with a leadership meeting. Ever since August 4th, since the leadership has come into place, I have not met with them. It is very important for all different levels of government to work together and to consult each other. Although we are meeting here in the February session, they are fully aware of this, but they felt that my presence at their meeting was important since I am their elected MLA. So that is why I attended their gathering.

It's very difficult to be travelling to these isolated communities. I am their representative and sometimes it's very difficult to travel to these communities. Sometimes I feel it's easy for the MLAs of Yellowknife to consult with their people right here in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, the gathering of the Tlicho people is very important and they were really thankful for me to attend their meeting because they had not had this kind of consultation for a long time. I consulted with the leadership and also the elders and even the youth came up to us individually to thank us for attending their meeting to listen to them for their concerns. They have many concerns they would like to bring up to the government and they have given me a lot of concerns that I have to look into. There are many decisions that are being made within the government that affects the communities, so these are the concerns that have gone to me. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for listening.

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Attendance At Tlicho Leadership Tour

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 949

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Tu Nedhe Participants In The Arctic Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 949

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Today I just want to recognize some of my constituents from Tu Nedhe who will be attending the 2006 Arctic Winter Games in Kenai, Alaska, from March 5th to the 11th. They are Demien Kailek, who will be participating in the NWT Dene Games in the junior male category; Amber Mandeville, who will be participating in Team NWT badminton junior female category; Glen Collins, who will be participating in Team NWT badminton junior male; Deserae Jonasson,

who will be participating in the Arctic sports junior female category; and, last but not least, Darryl Marlowe, who will be participating in Team NWT volleyball junior male category.

Mr. Speaker, I would just like to take this opportunity to wish the very best of luck and good luck to all my constituents and all the fine NWT athletes in their pursuit for athletic excellence and sportsmanship. It was very encouraging to see representation from our small communities in an international sporting event such as the Arctic Winter Games and give these individuals an opportunity to showcase their talent, dedication and hard work. I will definitely be cheering Team NWT on in their quest for gold. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Tu Nedhe Participants In The Arctic Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 950

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Readiness To Address Crystal Meth Abuse And Addictions

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 950

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My theme today is let's get prepared. Recently, I have been talking to people about crystal meth and the common concern about it. Is this government prepared? Judging by our track record with resources and facilities for other substances that are already in our communities, I can be confident in saying that, no, we are not. Will this government be proactive and immediately address these issues, so I can be confident in saying that, no, we are not? Will this government be proactive and immediately address these issues so I can say with some confidence that, yes, they are, and, yes, we are ready to deal with this?

The Yukon territory has recently taken one small and significant step by initiating a campaign addressing the issues around the introduction of crystal meth and the use of other addictive substances. They are to be commended because this campaign will develop and raise awareness. Looking around our territories, in our communities, there are many needs. There is lack of homelessness and safe houses, inadequate detox facilities, and our communities are having meetings like the ones in Inuvik that gives us a clear indication that there is much more that is needed.

Study after study, meeting after meeting, has shown that, as our economy gets better, so will our attraction to hard drugs. Young people are going to Yellowknife in alarming numbers for addicted related reasons, whether they are going to get counselling or going to a place where it is easier to get drugs. This growing centralization trend must be addressed by this government through a creative and effective proactive campaign.

The major problem with crystal meth is that it can be made by fairly simple products, such as cold and allergy medications, easily available in our drug stores. In some jurisdictions, such as Ontario, many locations such as grocery stores will no longer be selling some of these products and having others behind the pharmacist counters. These are the little things that the government could implement while it is still not too late. I have tried my best to also walk the walk and do my share in raising awareness and a "say no" strategy for our youth. I recently shared a DVD with schools on this issue, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi cho.

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Readiness To Address Crystal Meth Abuse And Addictions

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 950

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Recognition Of Sporting Achievements Of Rex Cockney

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 950

Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Friday, February 10, 2006, the winter Olympics officially began in Torino, Italy. Recently, Mr. Speaker, Sharon and Shirley Firth were recognized for their involvement in the sport of cross-country skiing. The two twins have represented Canada over a number of Olympics in the 1970s.

At this time, Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Mr. Rex Cockney of Tuktoyaktuk. Mr. Cockney also represented Canada Olympics in the 1970s and has received a number of medals in the Olympics. Mr. Cockney was an avid cross-country skier. I am proud to say that I have seen Mr. Cockney's collection of medals in his home.

Mr. Cockney not only represented Canada as a cross-country skier, Mr. Speaker, but he was also a very good athlete in the sport of hockey as part of the Grollier Hall Fliers.

Mr. Speaker, I am proud to know Mr. Cockney as a neighbour of mine in Tuktoyaktuk. I would like to congratulate him on his accomplishments and see him this weekend. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition Of Sporting Achievements Of Rex Cockney

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 950

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Role Of The GNWT In The Development Of The Mackenzie Gas Pipeline

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 950

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to discuss the role that the Government of the Northwest Territories is playing in the development of the Mackenzie gas project.

I have always been, and remain, a strong supporter of the Mackenzie gas project and the benefits that are going to come as a result of this multi-billion dollar pipeline project. Some of my colleagues have brought up the issue of the letter of comfort that the GNWT sent to the proponents of the project. They had their own opinion on what that letter meant or didn't mean. The issue I have is that there hasn't been any opportunity for public discourse or discussion on what the Government of the Northwest Territories, on behalf of all the communities, should, or would, be receiving.

Mr. Speaker, we just recently went through a federal election campaign where these issues were front and centre. However, our government does have some questions to answer on what their role is and what public expectations are of the GNWT. In my opinion, the letter of comfort was nothing more than something that Government of the Northwest Territories felt obligated to do. The letter itself is basically a letter about nothing. I

would like to call it the Seinfeld letter, where the GNWT drops the ball in that we are a public government. As a government, we just came out looking like losers.

The socio-economic fund, the $500 million, is earmarked for communities along the pipeline route. Let's not forget that $50 million per year over 10 years split amongst 20-odd communities does not equate to much. Left out of the equation are three of the four main population centres like Yellowknife, Hay River and Fort Smith, which are set to receive a grand total of zero for socio-economic impacts of pipeline development.

Our government has failed 70 percent of our people by not including, or demanding, a discussion on benefits for all communities. Of course, there will be economic benefits like jobs, training and further exploration. Who will pay the price for the added socio-economic impacts in all of our communities? We will, Mr. Speaker. To me, it just looks like we missed the boat. Thank you.

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Role Of The GNWT In The Development Of The Mackenzie Gas Pipeline

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 951

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Housing Opportunities Arising From The Mackenzie Gas Pipeline

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 951

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government has been acting like it has won a gold medal ever since the Harper Conservatives stated during the election campaign that they understand that the northerners have to be the primary beneficiaries of resource development. I agree with that principle as well, Mr. Speaker, but I must say to this government that it should lead by example and really practice what it preaches, because the possibility of having upwards of $300 million being invested into northern economy is a great thing for whatever reason. To do it for housing is even better.

This is the kind of thing that the governments are supposed to take a leadership role on and do it well. Mr. Speaker, I don't see that happening. I'm sorry; I'm losing my speech this morning.

Mr. Speaker, I don't believe that we can be doing this by the Minister of Finance stating that his aim is to promote the conversion of a pipeline workforce housing. Mr. Speaker, I think the more important questions this government should be asking are, how are we going to maximize our opportunity for all our northerners, northern labour and businesses? Questions that the government should be answering are things like, how are northern businesses going to be asked? How could they work under these housing projects? How are northern businesses going to be able to take advantage of these housing project benefits?

How is our northern labour going to be trained and hired for opportunities under these housing projects that would train them for the long term and not just for three months or whatever short-term task to do a small thing?

Mr. Speaker, one of the questions that the government should ask is, how is this government going to develop 1,400 lots, and how and when are they going to start talking to other governments, departments and organizations to make this happen? Why is it that the government should be developing lots when it is usually the private industry that should be doing that? Why is it that the government is approaching Imperial Oil about one idea from one company, when they should be looking at a very broad view? I would like to say to this government that it should really practice what it preaches. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Housing Opportunities Arising From The Mackenzie Gas Pipeline

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 951

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Financial Plight Of Non-government Organizations

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 951

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The financial plight of non-government organizations, or NGOs, is a matter that received considerable attention in the pre-budget consultations that your committees undertook this past fall, and has been an item of fair frequency in our debates here.

Mr. Speaker, I would say that if it were not for the NGO sector, the quality of life in the NWT would be seriously diminished. They are at work across all of our sectors: economic, in the arts, environment, sports and social. It is especially in the social environment where the public of the NWT really feels and sees their impacts.

Mr. Speaker, our government supports many NGOs through program delivery. The Canadian Mental Health Association, the YWCA, the Literacy Organization, Sport North, and the Northern Arts and Cultural Centre are just a few examples. But, Mr. Speaker, project funding is all too often arranged only on a year-to-year basis. Very often, these NGOs have a great deal of difficulty attracting and keeping qualified, trained staff because they just can't be certain of their cash flows.

Mr. Speaker, this government should be looking at, or is right now looking at, tax adjustments for both large and small businesses. This is fine. But I think we need to pay similar attention to the plight of our NGOs if our citizens are to continue to benefit from the calibre and the reliability of services that these NGOs are delivering on behalf of our government.

A salary survey by the YWCA, Mr. Speaker, shows that there can be as much as a $30,000 a year difference between a job performed in that organization as to one hired by our government. That is a huge discrepancy, Mr. Speaker. Something that we have got to be looking at more and more seriously is the consistency, the stability and the sustainability of our service agreements with non-government organizations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Financial Plight Of Non-government Organizations

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 951

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Protection Of Children Using Drugs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 951

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to draw attention to the plight of parents who have had to watch helplessly as their teenage children become involved with and eventually addicted to drugs.

Many of these parents have tried every means to get through these difficulties and are running out of options. There is only so much physical control a parent can realistically exercise over someone who is 16, 17 or 18 years of age, Mr. Speaker. This leaves parents in a constant state of worry, where they don't know what is happening to their children and they worry that they may hurt themselves or others.

I am speaking, Mr. Speaker, to an issue that has arisen in Alberta and they have found a solution. I am aware that they recently passed a Protection of Children Abusing Drugs Act which will come into force in July of this year. I am also aware that Saskatchewan is discussing similar such legislation. This new law allows parents to apply to the courts for an apprehension and confinement order for their children who are abusing drugs and alcohol. The order can authorize confinement in a protective safe house for up to five days. This allows Alberta Alcohol and Drug Abuse Commission to conduct an assessment and provide detox treatment during that time.

Mr. Speaker, I am sure that, once this law comes into force, it will be a welcome relief to those Alberta families who are struggling to help protect their children and overcome the abuse that drugs and alcohol has caused.

The Protection of Children Abusing Drugs Act in Alberta means that you do not have to commit a crime to get help when you have drugs taking control of your life. I think it is time that the NWT consider such acts to help protect our families and our youth. Some of the plans, when it was originally drafted, were 30 days of confinement, 90 days' mandatory protection, but I am not calling for those numbers. All I am asking for is the Department of Health and Social Services take a look at the effectiveness of this program to see if we can do something here in the North.

It is no secret, Mr. Speaker, as mentioned by MLA McLeod and MLA Menicoche, that drugs are a problem in our North and we need to stop the abuse that ranges in all ages and social groups.

Mr. Speaker, in closing, when loving parents are left without options, it is critical that our government find something so our young people don't become another statistic. So we need to affect change to stop this cycle. We cannot give up on our youth. It is not an option. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Protection Of Children Using Drugs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Consultation Process On Government Procurement Policies

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 952

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of the status of the business incentive policy was raised in this session last week. The Minister responded with a reference to a consultation process to determine the opinion of northern businesses surrounding the business incentive policy. I would be very interested in hearing how effective businesses feel the BIP is working and how it benefits them or not.

My initial inclination is that a tax reduction across the board to small business would actually have a more positive impact on the bottom line of small business than does the BIP. The BIP has no effect with northern business competing with northern registered business. It is an important adjustment on contracts for goods and services when northern business is competing with southern business, with the economy as heated as it is and as it is anticipated to be in the next while. The GNWT is not the same engine for the economy that it once was.

In this regard, a reduced tax rate effects all profits generated by business, not just those potential earnings from GNWT contracts affected by a contract price preference margin.

Mr. Speaker, we have other ways of effecting our procurement methods to recognize northern investment and content through such things as request for proposals and negotiated contracts.

Mr. Speaker, I look forward, with interest, to what the business community will have to say about our business incentive policy versus a lower business tax rate. I will have questions, later on, how that process is going to roll out, for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 952

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 952

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a constituent of mine and he is also the chair of the WCB, Mr. Denny Rodgers. Welcome, Denny.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 952

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 952

Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Gerry Cheezie, a constituent and manager of the Yellowknives Dene Housing Authority. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 385-15(4): Meeting The Housing Needs Of Northerners

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 952

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are on Novel housing. I would like to direct them to the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, in his budget statement, Hansard page 680, he says that, and I quote, "Working with communities and industry, we'll pursue a comprehensive solution to the critical housing needs in the communities by promoting the conversion of pipeline workforce housing into more than 1,000 residential homes."

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister. On Friday, in answering my question, the Minister of Housing stated that this is really going to be a business deal between two companies which I think that there is a company who, obviously, has a product that they want to sell, and there is an oil company that, if they decide go to with pipeline housing, they are going to need a workforce, and there could be a potential marriage of two businesses with mutual interests. I don't understand why the Minister of Finance sees it as his role to include it in the budget as a way to deal with the housing needs is to promote this idea. What is the idea behind that, Mr. Speaker?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 953

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the budget itself deals with all kinds of issues. It deals with housing, health, education and business incentive policies. So, Mr. Speaker, the issue of dealing with housing in the Northwest Territories is one of the critical pieces of any budget when we look at our situation in the Northwest Territories. The Novel concept that has been introduced in there is something we see of taking what is coming down in a project and using that and having something that is left behind for us to use for our residents. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know the Minister knows that the budget document is a very serious and important document. In the written answer to my question, the Minister of Housing states that there are so many things that have to happen before this: the pipeline has to go ahead; Imperial has to make the decision to do that; they have to decide what housing they are going to go with; they have to decide who they are going to go with, and on and on. The list goes beyond the control of this government.

Is the Minister of Finance , as the Minister of Finance when he is talking to federal counterparts, is this one of his items: a product idea for one company? Is that what he is promoting with the Minister of Finance , Mr. Speaker?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Mr. Roland

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, right now I haven't had the opportunity to meet with the new Finance Minister for Canada. With the work that we have done, the Minister of the Housing Corporation , Mr. Krutko , has met with his counterpart on this project.

My role has been more in the sense of the financing, the total impact on a territorial-wide basis, and does it meet the criteria that we have in place and working with the Housing Corporation and ensuring that the numbers that are being presented are legitimate and making sure that the flow that we use is an appropriate programming that we are going to use in a sense of how this project would move along and ensuring that all departments are included in work that would need to be done.

Mr. Speaker, the Novel project itself is going to possibly be a by-product of the pipeline project. It would take the businesses to get together to choose the company. I think it is incumbent on us, as the Government of the Northwest Territories, to ensure that, if there is going to be camp housing and if there is a possibility to use it, we should make sure that the systems are put in place that would make it economical for us to, in fact, convert these over to homes in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I believe by including this idea of promoting this idea into the budget, I believe the Minister has already taken a lot intervention and stance than the bystander sort of standoffish attitude that he seems to be showing in his answer here. I would like to know, in thinking that this is important enough for him to put it in the budget, what kind of analysis he has done in terms of determining that this is the way to go, that it would be done at the exclusion of all other housing ideas.

This is an idea that is going to occupy the work, budget and mandate of the Housing Corporation for a long time to come. I want to know when he is going to make this information available to the general public before he negotiates with the Minister of Finance . From my understanding...

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is continually, on a number of occasions now, talked about this project in a very negative manner in a sense of what we can do in the Northwest Territories or what we should do or shouldn't do. It seems that there is an inherent dislike to the fact of trying to use this concept as one that could help families in the Northwest Territories, especially those in the smaller communities.

Mr. Speaker, specifically to the issue of what we have done, we have been working with the Housing Corporation on a number of factors, coming up with impact potential costs, timing of when decisions need to be made. We have looked at the issue of lot development, land costs, total land and lot development, conversions from the architectural side, conversions from the mechanical side, conversions from the electrical side, conversion materials, freight average, total costs, so we have been working on all of those numbers. I think, Mr.

Speaker, if we are actually going to go down this road, then we have to do our homework. I presented to all committee members the pros and cons and risks of this project, and believe that there are still some questions that need to be answered. If we are going to take advantage of this, we are going to have to move now and not wait for something to fall on our laps. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Question 386-15(4): Funding For Non-government Organizations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 954

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this morning are for the Minister of Finance . They will cover some of the aspects of how our government goes about contracting and funding some of our non-government organizations.

Mr. Speaker, I have had the experience, I think as many northerners have as volunteers, to work on boards and agencies that have gone through considerable efforts and sometimes angst to get their books, programs and plans in order and then have them go through the government inspection, review, rinse, wash and spin cycle, sometimes taking many weeks into a fiscal year before you know whether you have your commitment, and, in the meantime, staff and everything else is very uncertain.

Mr. Speaker, do our current policies and financial arrangements allow for long-term arrangements to be made with organizations? Do we have that flexibility in our financial administration systems? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in our financial arrangements that we hold and that we are accountable to, our arrangements do allow for some flexibility in arranging for long-term arrangements. But there is always a condition on the appropriation process and the budget being approved in this House. So we can, and we have, for example, with communities, Education, Culture and Employment has entered into some multi-year funding.

That is something that we seem to be heading down more and more, but the issue is, it is always contingent on the budget being passed in the House which does have some impact on yearend and start of money flowing to these organizations when the budget is passed. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is a condition that, of course, we uphold. We cannot guarantee anything outside of a current fiscal year. The point is that the arrangements and the expectations that organizations have in so many cases come to a complete and sudden stop on March 31st, if I have my calendar right. It is as if the door closes. There is nothing that an organization can count on. Even if it has a long and good track record, there is still that level of uncertainty. How, Mr. Speaker, can we change our approach so that organizations that have a good track record and are applying an essential service can continue, Mr. Speaker?

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Paul Delorey

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is correct. There are a lot of groups out there that do some business on our behalf I guess, is a way to put it. When it comes to yearend, funding flows seem to slow down and wait for the next cheque with the new fiscal year to come in place. That is one of the reasons why we have started to look at multi-year funding agreements and arrangements. That would be the tool that would be available to us. Again, it is always contingent on the House passing the budget.

There is still going to be some lag time there, but those groups that have multi-year funding agreements would know that. Once the budget is passed, it is fairly straightforward from that point. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, does our government take a proactive approach to redesigning and renegotiating our contribution agreements with NGOs to actually push and promote the idea of multi-year funding arrangements? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the arrangements have been done on an as and when basis in the sense when individuals or groups would come forward and make that request, we would look at it to see what type of arrangements, the history, the working arrangement of that group and the government or department. It has not been one where we have gone to all organizations and said here's an offer for a three year multi-year funding arrangements. We have done it on a case-by-case basis. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Inuvik is well trained in finding alternative arrangements for some of our government-run buildings up there. I would like to ask the Minister of Public Works and Services on the status of the five departments that were within the Perry Building after it was closed down. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the last indication I have is all departments are up and running. Human resources have moved into the

Tuma Building. That was approved by the town council that they can operate in there. We have FMBS staff sharing space with Municipal and Community Affairs office. Education, Culture and Employment has moved to the second floor of the Mack Travel building. I believe they are right up to speed now in the sense that all the connections, hardware and wiring have been done. The phones are in place. The Department of Transportation's office has moved into, I believe, the Eskimo Inn; their renovations portion there. Public Works, we are a bit scattered in different places.

Petroleum products division is working out of one of the warehouses. We are still working on the rest of the space for the department. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister for the update. I understand that the Perry Building, once the other floor or top floors are cleared of equipment and personnel and snow is kept off the roof, I understand that the bottom floor tenants might be able to move back in and I'd like to ask the Minister, are we going to ask these employees to move back into the bottom floor of the Perry Building? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the structural engineer's report that we had received stated that with the loading on the second and third floor being removed, that the main floor would then be available for occupancy, and we're still working at how we can get that done. As well, the owner of the building has hired their own structural engineer and we're going to have to see what their report says before we make a final decision. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final question to the Minister is, are we still making lease payments on this building? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't have that information available. I will check on that and get back to the Member before the end of the day. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Premier and it gets back to my statement from earlier and it's in terms of resource development. I just wanted to say we certainly have a strong economy here in the Northwest Territories; we have jobs. If you look around specifically the city of Yellowknife where we've had some experience with resource development on our doorstep, they've brought a strong housing market where some homes are in excess of 400 or 450 thousand dollars, expensive costs of living where families are having trouble making ends meet.

It's also brought some social concerns to the city. Obviously, if you look around, you can see it if you walk downtown Yellowknife. Money doesn't always bring good things, Mr. Speaker. It brings increased crime, drugs, things like that. We have some experience. Communities have IBAs with industry. The city of Yellowknife doesn't have anything. I'm wondering why was there no consideration for any type of funding for socio-economic impacts in large centres like Yellowknife, Hay River and Fort Smith. Why were they left out?

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not sure if the Member's referring to the past when we negotiated agreements on diamond mines, or if he's referring to the pipeline. Mr. Speaker, the agreements, the access and the benefit agreements that have been negotiated and signed have been entered into with aboriginal groups who have rights to the area that is being impacted. It's only with them. Mr. Speaker, it is expected in a normal situation that other municipalities, other communities would benefit from the overall wealth that these kinds of activities bring to the Territories through taxes, through public money and so on. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was just trying to set up a context that the city of Yellowknife has seen resource development and seen the bad side of it as well as some of the good side. I'm speaking specifically about the $500 million socio-economic fund. I want to know why communities like Yellowknife, Hay River and Fort Smith aren't part of the equation. Why are they left out? Why are 70 percent of the people in the Northwest Territories left out of this? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The $500 million socio-economic impact fund is a fund that was negotiated with the aboriginal organizations along the

valley and our government for the impact on those specific communities. So that was those communities directly impacted. It was not a fund that was going to go across the whole territory.

Mr. Speaker, having said that, we did negotiate at the same time a $40 million, albeit a one-time fund, through the Northern Strategy that would benefit all communities. Mr. Speaker, I have to say that out of that $40 million, 35 of it was allocated to communities. Yellowknife is benefiting from over $7 million from that fund alone that they can use for socio-economic impact if they choose to do it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think maybe the Premier is not quite understanding what I'm trying to get at here. What I'm trying to get at is I think the Government of the Northwest Territories let down 70 percent of the people. We've seen resource development here in the city of Yellowknife and the impact it's had on our community. The city of Yellowknife got nothing. By the sound of it, our government is content to allow the city of Yellowknife to get nothing again, Mr. Speaker, and I don't agree with this.

I'd like to ask the Premier -- this is my final question -- why no public discussion or debate of the Government of the Northwest Territories' responsibility to all its residents took place. Why didn't it happen? Why weren't we able to discuss and debate this? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, when we look at why the $500 million socio-economic fund was negotiated the way it was, we have to go back to look at the reasons and the origin where it started. It started as a result of Imperial and its partners' efforts to negotiate access and benefit agreements along the valley. What they did last April is they shut down everything, saying that we cannot enter into access and benefit agreements with the communities along the valley until we get this issue about socio-economic impacts sorted out. It is not our responsibility as a company to build schools, set up treatment centres and so on.

That's something that is really more in the realm of public government. That was their view. So all the way along, this negotiation was with those communities who would potentially be impacted by the pipeline. Mr. Speaker, that impact did not, and does not, give benefit. It didn't include the mayor and council in Inuvik; it didn't include the mayor and council in Yellowknife; it did not include communities outside of the pipeline route. Mr. Speaker, that's exactly the same situation we had when the access and benefits agreements and so on were negotiated on the diamond mines.

It didn't include anything for communities outside of the area that was being impacted. It did not include Hay River; it didn't include Inuvik; in fact, it did not directly include Yellowknife. But it was strictly with those aboriginal groups who were along the route or in the area that's impacted, Mr. Speaker. So that's the origin; that's why it's set up the way it is. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment, and it goes back to my Member's statement in talking about the prognosis, I guess, of the business incentive policy. I'd like to ask the Minister what percentage of northern businesses show their interest in a business incentive policy by registering with the GNWT, and I'd like to have those numbers of registered business has shifted or changed dramatically in the last while. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have the exact number in front of me of BIP registered business in the NWT, but I can say that the trend has been that there has been a drastic decline in the number of businesses that, in effect, bother to register as BIP businesses. I think there are a number of reasons for this, but one of them certainly is, as the Member has mentioned, the government procurement generally, in terms of our overall GEP, is diminishing in terms of its importance. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Minister, what's the cost of administering the BIP and the cost of any premium paid to award a northern business or contractor, compared to the revenue that will be forfeited by this government if we switch to a tax reduction? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do know that the direct costs to the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment is about $300,000 in terms of administration, but that is a conservative figure when you consider the fact that all the departments have BIP monitoring committees set up in order to make sure the BIP is properly applied to their departmental procurement. So it is bigger than that. It consumes a lot of our time.

We know it consumes a lot of time on the part of small business in order to make sure they're in compliance, and our numbers from the last year we have data for, on $200 million worth of GNWT procurement, there was about a $200,000 BIP premium paid to BIP registered businesses. I would also point out that about half of those are what we consider ex-NWT companies.

So they have a presence here and a presence elsewhere, as compared to just NWT home-grown businesses. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, not so long ago there was quite an extensive consultation process undertaken regarding the business incentive policy, and the contract registry was reaffirmed after that by businesses reregistering. Was there any information that was obtained from that consultation round that will give the Minister and his department some indication of how they need to assess business interest in this going forward in a future consultation process? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, certainly, from my perspective as a committee member who was involved in the BIP review and watched government's ill-fated attempt to do away with the BIP the last time, I think the one thing that was obvious to me was that if you propose doing away with the BIP and leave a vacuum, you're likely not to get much political support. I think what we've recognized, and I've had discussions with the Minister of Finance about this, that one of the possible options is to replace the BIP with a tax cut for all NWT businesses.

A 50 percent tax cut in terms of small business tax rate is one of the options we're considering. I think that's significant; I think it would have an impact not only on those who do business with the GNWT, but on those who do business in the NWT more generally. So this is one of the options we're considering. We think it would go a large measure toward equalling the playing field, and I'm hopeful that the consultations will go positively. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , just with respect to mortgage assistance policies and client involvement and construction of their homes. We provide loans to our clients in the regions to help them build their homes, yet we don't allow them to be involved in the building process. Like with a bank, when a bank lends a person money, where that person actually does the research and gets the call of a general contractor or general to build their houses.

But with us, we provide money to the clients, like a bank, but yet our corporation, our government, builds the houses for them, and therein lies a lot of issues and a lot of problems over time. So I'd like to ask the Minister, what's the reasoning that the government's building houses for the clients as opposed to them building their own houses? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, because the government is paying for a large portion of these houses which are subsidized and the Housing Corporation pays for a major portion of that construction, that's the reason the Housing Corporation wants to ensure that they are in charge of the construction and the management, and doing the inspections on those units, because we do have an investment by way of the loans that are given in which, in most cases, they're subsidized through our different programs where we hold the majority of those mortgages. So because a large portion of the money that is loaned to the client is a subsidy, we have to take responsibility of that asset. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I can see the reasoning they want to follow a National Building Code standard, et cetera, but typically general contractors in the housing business know these codes and they adhere to them or else they would be quickly out of business, Mr. Speaker. The Minister is talking about a policy or a guideline or some kind of directive. Will the Minister provide that policy or directive to me so that I can see for myself what policy they're following? Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I commit to that.

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Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm a little bit confused, as well, because in some of our other departments, like the ministry of ITI where we provide business loans, or BDIC, we provide business loans and we let the client be responsible for that money. It's still a government department, but that person's responsible. So I'm not too sure how we can do it for one department and not another, Mr. Speaker. Once again, is that policy or directive, is it an FMBS directive, Mr. Speaker?

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe it is a directive which is internal in the

Housing Corporation. It's not tied to the...(inaudible)...but I will check if it is, and I'll get that back to the Member.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of MACA . Behchoko is considered one community, but we look at it as two communities with Behchoko and Edzo. Can the Minister tell me...I'd like to ask him a question. Why are Behchoko and Edzo only funded as one community? If you look at Yellowknife and Detah, it is physically two separate communities and they are funded like that. So I would like to ask him that question, why our communities are considered just one community when we have two separate communities? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess the easy answer to why Behchoko is funded the way it is is because historically it was considered to be Rae-Edzo and was viewed as one community. The community had desired that it remain that way. It's not an issue that has been raised to us in terms of changing how the funding flowed, and it's possible we could have that discussion, if there's a desire.

Whereas, Detah is a separate community from Yellowknife. Detah has funding that comes from two different sources. The federal government does provide money through the Yellowknife Dene there, and we also provide dollars for the community to deliver our services, as we do to the City of Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Supplementary To Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for his comments. If you look at the community, the government they have there is new and they have policies in place. We want to do the best we can for our communities, so that is the agreement we have with them. So I would like to ask the Minister again, can the Minister meet with my community to review this, to meet with the Tlicho Government so we can discuss the future funding for the communities of Behchoko and Edzo? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Supplementary To Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Mr. McLeod.

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Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we'd be very much interested to sit down with communities and the leadership and talk to this issue. This is not an issue that has been flagged for us up to now, so we'd really have to discuss what the complications would be of dividing the resources that come to this community. It would involve setting up a whole new administrative system. So there is going to be extra costs incurred by going this route. But we'd certainly welcome the opportunity to sit down and talk to the people of the Tlicho. Thank you.

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Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Supplementary To Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, they have not brought up this issue for a long time, but since the new government has been in place since August 4th, that issue has been discussed again and is a concern. I'm setting up a meeting this week with the Minister, but I would like to bring this issue to them. Funding is very important and that is something that we need to discuss and we need to invest into our community, which is very important because it's important for the people of our community. Are you able to set a date? We will have a meeting sometime this week. Is this week good for the Minister? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Mr. McLeod.

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Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to get back to the Member to confirm whether we can fit in a meeting this week. I would also like to point out that this is an opportune time to review the funding and how the process is dealt with with the communities of Behchoko and Edzo. We are reviewing our community government funding policy, so we welcome the comments made by the Member and the leadership in those communities. Thank you.

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Question 391-15(4): Funding Structure For Behchoko And Edzo

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week the Minister of MACA announced the long-awaited land transfer to the City of Yellowknife. To put it into perspective, the City of Yellowknife had requested five years' worth of land in order to do fair, reasonable and balanced development in our city. Our city is growing by leaps and bounds, Mr. Speaker, but this Minister put a two-year freeze on this land and only gave the city half of the land requested.

Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, why did the Minister of MACA approve only two years when the city requested five years' worth of land? Why did he put a two-year freeze on this land? Thank you.

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Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 958

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we had actually requested that the city come forward with five years of land needs identified on a map.

We also requested that the Akaitcho people come forward and identify, on a map, areas that they were interested in. Then we tried to look at areas that did not have significant overlap. We tried to look at areas where we could release some lands that would not be too controversial. When we tried to map that out ourselves on an overlay, we decided that five years was too long. We had initially considered a five-year freeze. We realized that that would be too long of a time period to freeze land in this area. Then we had discussions with Aboriginal Affairs to see where things were at in terms of negotiations.

Then we came to the conclusion that two years was probably a more realistic time frame for this to be settled.

The amount of land that we transferred, we feel, would be able to accommodate the city for two-and-a-half years. So we did freeze the land in this area for two years. There is still opportunity if there is the ability by the city and the Yellowknives to agree on parcels of land that they would like to see transferred over, the opportunity is still there. However, failing that, we will stick to the two-year time period. Thank you.

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Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 959

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Supplementary To Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 959

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First, I will say on the agreement part, it's been my understanding -- and I would like to hear the Minster's correction on this -- that they have never seen eye to eye on all the land. I believe the Akaitcho wanted all the land. Mr. Speaker, at the request of MACA to come forward with a five-year plan, but they only approved half of that, sounds unfair. We have to note the land applications. How is he going to process them on two years plus a day, because there may be a flood of land requests?

So I think the Minister has actually put the city in a limited, broke opportunity by freezing its fair and balanced position. Mr. Speaker, land was also left out of this reasonable application that it had homes on it. So those people are now put into limbo for just over two years. So, Mr. Speaker, what is the Minister doing to alleviate the concerns for those people who had land requests for their homes to be bought, but now it's been trapped up in this land freeze process? What is the Minister going to do? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Supplementary To Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 959

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. McLeod.

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Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 959

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, the land identified for transfer has been conveyed to the city. We identified lands in that map that had existing leases. We identified lands for commercial leases. We identified lands for industrial purposes. We also identified lands for residential. All the other lands that are not on that map are considered to be available for the selection process that the Akaitcho is embarking on, and we will not be moving from that position, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 959

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Supplementary To Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 959

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in October, this Minister had said that they were going to make some clear decisions, but, unfortunately, I never thought that they would only go halfway. Mr. Speaker, he just said, earlier, that he requested five years. So why isn't this Minister making a decision and putting the city of Yellowknife's growth in jeopardy? Why is the Minister not making a clear decision for the City of Yellowknife? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Supplementary To Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 959

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. McLeod.

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Further Return To Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 959

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure where the Member is getting his information from that we are not dealing with the Yellowknives' request for lands and not dealing with the growth issue. We have identified two years' worth of land; two-and-a-half years worth of land. There are several hundred residential lots that would be available for development. There is industrial land, there is commercial land. There is land that was previously occupied by people who leased it. We looked at it from a basis that there would be needs for two-and-a-half years addressed, and we are very confident that this is significant and will be enough for the city to deal with all their needs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 959

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South .

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Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 959

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to return to item 5 on the Order Paper, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Question 392-15(4): Land Transfer To Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 959

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to return to item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Are there any nays? There are no nays. We will return to item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 959

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I am pleased to recognize in the visitors' gallery, two well-known Hay Riverites, Mr. Paul Gammen and Mr. Vern Tordoff, and my assistant, Wendy Morgan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

----Applause

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Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 959

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to welcome everybody in the gallery today. Welcome to the House. It's always a pleasure to have an audience. Written questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Written Question 27-15(4): Atco Novel Site Tours

Item 7: Written Questions

Page 960

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

Please provide details of the number of visits the Minister and his staff have taken to the ATCO Novel plant in Calgary since taking up the portfolio, including the dates and duration and all costs associated with each trip.

What is the total cost the department has spent on behalf of any invited guests from the North who have taken up the Minister's invitation to visit the ATCO Novel plant in Calgary?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Written Question 27-15(4): Atco Novel Site Tours

Item 7: Written Questions

Page 960

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Written questions. Returns to written questions. Petitions. Reports of committees on the review of bills. Tabling of documents. Notices of motion. Notices of motion for the first reading of bills. First reading of bills. Second reading of bills. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other Matters: Bill 18 , Committee Reports 5, 6 and 7, with Mrs. Groenewegen in the chair.

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 960

The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

I will call Committee of the Whole to order. When we left off on Friday, we were on general comments for the Department of Health and Social Services, on Bill 18 . Does committee agree that we stand down Health and Social Services?

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 960

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 960

The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 960

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

The committee wishes to consider Public Works and Services, Madam Chair.

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 960

The Chair

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The committee agrees, and we will do that after we take a break. Thank you.

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