Debates of Feb. 25th, 1994

This is page numbers 367 - 397 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was education .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Arctic Winter Games 1994

Negotiated Contracts

Using Discretion In Lotteries And Sweepstakes

Creation Of New Words

Recognition Of Pages From Dettah

Evaluation Of Grade Extension Program

Wastage Of Dpw Funds On Community Projects

Program Options In Community High Schools

Quality Of Education In Community Schools

Restrictions On Students From Communities Attending School In Yellowknife

Options For Parents And Students For Location Of Schooling

Success Rate Of Akaitcho Vs Home

Closure Of Akaitcho Hall

Reason For Decline In Students At Akaitcho Hall

Factors In Closure Of Akaitcho Hall

Minister's Commitment To Provide Excellence In Education

Privatization Considered For Akaitcho Hall Rather Than Closure

Consideration For Operation Of Akaitcho Hall By Divisional Boards

Impact Of Alberta Budget On Nwt

Cost Estimates On Education Programs

Alberta/nwt Hospital Agreement Affect On NWT Residents

Written Question 13-12(5): List Of Courses Offered In NWT Schools

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Establishment Of Special Joint Committee On Division

Establishment Of The Special Joint Committee On Division

Amended Terms Of Reference For The Advisory Committee On Social Housing

Amended Terms Of Reference For The Advisory Committee On Social Housing

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Tabled Document 3-12(5): Towards A Strategy To 2010: A Discussion Paper

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95Committee Report 2-12(5): Review Of The 1994-95 Main Estimates

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 367

The Speaker

Good morning. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Kivallivik , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Minister's Statement 26-12(5): Arctic Winter Games 1994

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 367

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Madam Speaker, the 1994 Arctic Winter Games will be held March 6 to 12, 1994 in Slave Lake, Alberta. As Minister responsible for sport, I am pleased to provide Members of the Assembly with an update on the Northwest Territories' team to this circumpolar sport and cultural event.

Northwest Territories will send 354 athletes, coaches and mission staff, representing all regions. This year, 38 communities will have participants, up from 34 communities in 1992. I am pleased to note that community representation on our team has steadily increased from 1980 when only 20 communities were sending athletes to the games. This increase in numbers of athletes and coaches from small communities is due, in large part, Madam Speaker, to the cooperative efforts of the Government of the Northwest Territories and communities in providing sport and recreation facilities, coaching development and competitions to all athletes of the Northwest Territories.

Madam Speaker, the delegation will include 12 mission staff to assist and support the teams and a group of ten cultural performers from Norman Wells, Iqaluit and Rae-Edzo who will participate in the cultural program planned by the Slave Lake host society.

Madam Speaker, on March 1, I will provide Members with additional information on the games to be held in Slave Lake, along with a promotional package. At that time, we plan to unveil the new team clothing with a program of events in the great hall of the Legislative Assembly.

I would like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to our volunteer organizers, including the Sport North Federation for the months of hard work they have put in to ensure the success of the regional and territorial trials held to select our final team.

We do not judge the success of the Arctic Winter Games on the number or colour of ulus we may win. Madam Speaker, the Arctic Winter Games have earned the importance they hold throughout the north because of the wide participation of athletes in the games and in our regional and territorial trials. All these events provide opportunities for the athletes to compete to achieve their personal best.

The regional trials were held this past November and December, and the territorial trials on the January 20 to 22 weekend. The Arctic Winter Games territorial trials are the single largest sporting event in the Northwest Territories. They were held in 11 different communities and involved 1,300 participants. In total, the regional and territorial trials involved 2,700 athletes, coaches and officials from virtually every community in the Northwest Territories. To those who made this massive undertaking happen, should go the appreciation and continued support of this Legislative Assembly.

Madam Speaker, later today, I will provide the Members of this Assembly with a list of the Northwest Territories' team members and mission staff. I look forward to making a further statement on the Arctic Winter Games, but at this time I would ask all Members to join me in wishing all athletes the very best in their upcoming competitions. I am sure they will represent the Northwest Territories with pride. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 26-12(5): Arctic Winter Games 1994

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Keewatin Central , Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 27-12(5): Negotiated Contracts

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

During the fall session of this Assembly, many questions were raised about this government's policy of entering into negotiated contracts with community organizations outside of the conventional public tendering process.

First of all, we must put the role of negotiated contracts in its proper perspective. On December 13, 1993, I tabled in this House a record of the contracts which the Department of Transportation had negotiated since April 1, 1992. Between the first of April 1992 and the end of November 1993, the department awarded 905 contracts with a combined value of $84 million. During that same time, the department entered into 21 negotiated contracts with a total value of $6.4 million.

Negotiated contracts represent a little over two per cent of the number of contracts awarded and less than eight per cent of the department's contractual expenditures. By far, most of the Department of Transportation's business is conducted through the conventional public tendering process and negotiated contracts play only a small part .

I fully support the competitive tendering process as the most efficient means of awarding public contracts. As anyone who has ever made a bid on a public contract knows, bare-knuckle competition can be a pretty rough business. The pricing strategies that bidders employ are highly innovative and competitive. Exactly as it is intended to do, the tendering process selects the most experienced, aggressive and successful entrepreneurs to work on our public projects.

Even so, for many years, the Government of the Northwest Territories has applied a modified version of the public tendering process through its business incentive policy. The business incentive policy corrects for the economies of scale that larger firms in southern Canada enjoy. The policy also takes into account the higher costs of doing business in the north that northern entrepreneurs incur.

The preference that the business incentive policy gives to northern firms has been successful in helping to establish viable business sectors in the larger northern centres. Working from our success, we have revised the business incentive policy again to extend its reach even further to the businesses in the smaller communities.

However, for all the advantages of the tendering process, public government, especially in the NWT, has a broader responsibility to its people than to look always and solely at the lowest bid. Strict adherence to the public tendering process would not, in any acceptable length of time, bring about the socio-economic benefits of business management experience or the training and employment opportunities that our communities so desperately need.

In some cases, the department adopts a special approach to a contract award in which, along with the lowest bid, it evaluates the local training and employment opportunities the contractor can deliver through the project. In other cases, where a local contracting firm may not exist, the department might manage the project itself to make the most of an opportunity to employ local workers.

The negotiated contract is another tool that we use to bring business opportunities to the communities. Until smaller companies in the communities have had a chance to gain some management experience and entrepreneurial skills, they operate at a severe competitive disadvantage to our more established and proven businesses in the private sector.

The decision to enter into a negotiated contract is made by the Executive Council within an established policy framework which sets the criteria and objectives a given proposal must satisfy.

We might have cause for concern if too large a portion of governments' expenditures were made through negotiated contracts or if too many of them went sour. As it is, negotiated contracts are a small part, I repeat a small part, of our public expenditures and most of them succeed. Of the 21 negotiated in the past two fiscal years, only one has gone badly wrong and for that one I have accepted full responsibility.

---Applause

By the same token, I might add, the public tendering process does not always work as it should. Sometimes the lowest bid is shaved too fine, the contractor defaults and cannot finish the job or deliver the product. No method is perfect and we should not rely on any one method to meet all the objectives of this government.

I am proud of the department's record with negotiated contracts. The figures I tabled on December 13 show that the Department of Transportation's record with negotiated contracts is a good one and one which I, as the Minister responsible and with my colleagues on the Executive Council, fully endorse.

It is my responsibility as a Minister to choose the best tool for the job. For the purpose of stimulating community business development and offering local training and employment benefits, a negotiated contract is one of the tools we have. When I am satisfied that a negotiated contract can accomplish its purpose best, I intend to use it.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 27-12(5): Negotiated Contracts

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Using Discretion In Lotteries And Sweepstakes

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 368

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I want to share with you a little incident that occurred here a little while ago, and bring you up to date on a bit of good news.

The good news, of course, is I have an answering machine at home and recently it was recording a number of long distance incoming calls but because it was an answering machine, it would stop at that. One day I happened to be home and the phone rang. This very friendly female voice says, hi, Tony, it's really good to catch you. You seem to be a very hard person to get hold of. The weather up there is pretty cold, and all of that. I said, who is this and give me your name.

She said, I have some good news for you. I asked, what's the good news? She said, you and your wife have just won a Caribbean cruise. I thought, oh, boy. This time of the year it's 40 below here. And we got to chatting as if this person knew me. It came down to a point where this cruise was reserved in Florida for Mr. and Mrs. Whitford , and all we had to do was to send $40 there to retain this good standing because there were a lot of people in Yellowknife, by the way, who were on the list and I just happened to be at the top of the list. If I didn't take it, somebody else would get this fabulous prize.

So they wanted my Visa number right away. I said, you send me the details in hard copy and I'll send you my cheque, but that didn't do. They wanted my Visa number which I wouldn't give and they got kind of mad and hung up.

Yesterday, more good news. I got a letter in the mail that says I am now in the finals for $10,000 and I have a special number, number 182. I was all excited and I read all this stuff. I was going to send it in until this morning, Sam tells me he got the same letter and it's the same number, 182.

---Laughter

So we both won $10,000 and, Madam Speaker, we were going to go. However, there was more good news in here. If I act quickly -- and there's a certificate of authenticity here -- I can get a diamond bracelet for my wife that is worth $3,400. But, the good news is, if I send it in right away, I can get it for $29.

---Laughter

Just the other day I got another one from Australia. They're coming in from all over the place. Can I just conclude, Madam Speaker, because I was going to get to a point here.

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Using Discretion In Lotteries And Sweepstakes

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Mr. Whitford , I don't believe you asked for unanimous consent to continue telling us your interesting story.

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Using Discretion In Lotteries And Sweepstakes

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Whitford .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, colleagues. This is important to you as well. You may be getting these things and not spending any time to read them. How they get the names, I don't know, but I'm setting a little trap so I'll be able to check to see where they originate.

The point I'm trying to get to is -- although it does sound kind of humorous -- it is a very serious matter because you are getting your named picked by offshore people now. Like I said, I got one from Australia. It said all I had to do was to send in $4.50 and that's not very much. But when you read the fine print it tells you how many people are going to respond to this and how much they're going to make. They're going to make millions for giving away about $20,000, totally, in prizes.

The serious part of it, colleagues and Madam Speaker, is that Consumer Affairs has been issuing warnings to people. Never, never, never give your Visa number over the telephone to people that you don't know. It's being misused. The RCMP are onto a number of frauds that are being perpetrated by people using the telephones. The point is, they're getting very, very personal. They're calling you by your first name, they're giving you details that wouldn't otherwise be known. How did they know it was cold here in Yellowknife? They give you indications that your neighbours or your friends have submitted your name on your behalf.

I caution you, Members, just be a little cautious when you get these very personal calls that tell you you're going to get something for nothing. Because usually when the deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. So with that, thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

---Laughter

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Creation Of New Words

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The other day, the Member for Yellowknife Centre gave me an idea for the Friday lighter side of things when he suggested that we should create new words to confuse the federal bureaucracy. I started thinking about the words and

definitions.

Madam Speaker, a word like "Pollardization," this is a nervous condition suffered by the Northwest Territories Finance Minister when dealing...

---Laughter

..with the federal officials over the perversity factor.

---Laughter

When someone makes a "Lewisian" statement they are rambling and finally reveal the point of the speech at the end of it.

Another word is "Titusaphobia," this is the inability to make proper travel plans.

---Laughter

The world's best babysitters compete every year for the "Hamiltion Award," named in honour of one of the finest babysitters in the world.

---Laughter

When someone is "Ballantynian"...

---Laughter

...in their approach to life, they say things like even though I smoke and extra taxes will affect me, I none the less support the position the government has taken in this matter. A very noble statement indeed, Madam Speaker. Although I do not see how this tax will affect him, having never seen him buy a pack of cigarettes.

---Laughter

---Applause

---Laughter

Madam Speaker, I was thinking of a word for the Speaker and I thought of some but I was kind of chicken. Thank you.

---Laughter

---Applause

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Creation Of New Words

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Recognition Of Pages From Dettah

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. I'm speechless after my colleague, but I won't give a "Ballantynian" speech today.

---Laughter

We have, serving the House the last week, a number of pages from Dettah who I would like to recognize today. I hope they will all come out.

---Applause

Patricia Crookedhand, Noo-nee Charlo, Derrick Sangris, Jesse Beaulieu, Charlene Drygeese, Matilda Charlo, Vanessa Sangris and Gary Lacorne. I think that's everybody. Are they all here?

On behalf of the Assembly, I want to thank you all. You did a great job this week, and we hope to see you all back. The kids told me that rather than wait for 15 years to take over the Assembly, from what they see, they think they're ready today to take it over. Thanks very much.

---Laughter

---Applause

Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Recognition Of Pages From Dettah

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 204-12(5): Evaluation Of Grade Extension Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment regarding grade extensions in the communities and the concept of community schooling. Since the department implemented that program a few years ago, has his department had the opportunity to evaluate the success of the program? Thank you.

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Question 204-12(5): Evaluation Of Grade Extension Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, Mr. Nerysoo .

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Question 204-12(5): Evaluation Of Grade Extension Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The process is ongoing in terms of the evaluation. We look at the success of the programs offered and the success of the graduates of those programs. We also look at the success of the students who come from those programs and are successful in the application to post-secondary institutions.

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Question 204-12(5): Evaluation Of Grade Extension Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ng .

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Supplementary To Question 204-12(5): Evaluation Of Grade Extension Program

Question 204-12(5): Evaluation Of Grade Extension Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if he feels that the program currently is successful then. Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question 204-12(5): Evaluation Of Grade Extension Program

Question 204-12(5): Evaluation Of Grade Extension Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, Mr. Nerysoo .

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Question 204-12(5): Evaluation Of Grade Extension Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In comparison to what we have historically seen in terms of graduates and participation in post-secondary institutions, yes. In terms of whether we have been totally successful in returning students back to the high school programs, yes. In terms of whether we are getting total results from the community educational programming and the variety of subjects, yes. But we are still in a situation where, as a department, we are not totally happy and satisfied with some of the programs.

I think that the math exam from last year is an indication that there are some deficiencies regarding our students, particularly in the whole matter of literacy and our ability to consider the matter of problem-solving generally. That is our biggest concern at the moment.

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Question 204-12(5): Evaluation Of Grade Extension Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Question 205-12(5): Wastage Of Dpw Funds On Community Projects

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of DPW. Yesterday, I made a Member's statement with regard to DPW and hamlet offices and their working relationships. Departments seem to be wasting public money when they are doing their work on behalf of hamlets and other agencies. Would the Minister of DPW remind his department to keep in mind the reality of today's government and municipal fiscal situation and be more conservative and not so liberal? Thank you.

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Question 205-12(5): Wastage Of Dpw Funds On Community Projects

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Question 205-12(5): Wastage Of Dpw Funds On Community Projects

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't know if there is much difference between Conservatives and Liberals. They both seem to treat us the same from Ottawa. But seriously, I would like to thank the Member for bringing that issue to my attention. I have talked to the department already and raised your community concern to the department. Fixing the pipeline in Resolute Bay was supposed to have been taken care of from extraordinary costs that MACA and DPW would have to work out with the community. So it doesn't come through their regular O and M budget.

My understanding is when a water line freezes, if you don't fix it immediately, it continues to freeze and will end up costing you more money. I will work with my department to make sure that they use the best method of transportation of materials as well as people

into the communities and that no unnecessary charters will take place. I will get back to the Member on that issue.

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Question 205-12(5): Wastage Of Dpw Funds On Community Projects

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Aivilik , Mr. Arvaluk .

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Question 206-12(5): Program Options In Community High Schools

Item 5: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The decision to extend grades is a matter that is determined by the community through the community education council and with discussions with divisional boards. The programming is determined by the communities with the divisional boards. That is the basis of those decisions. Generally speaking, most of the programs that have been offered in our high schools, including matriculation programs, have all been offered in our community programs if those subjects have been requested. An example would be Pond Inlet which presently offers 21 different subjects in their high school programming.

That is the basis on which you can make the assessment. It is a matter of the community making that decision.

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Question 207-12(4): Quality Of Education In Community Schools

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of Education and it is regarding the concerns with the community schooling concept and the quality of education. Parents and students want reassurance that the education received in grade 12 in Fort Simpson is equivalent to the education you can get in grade 12 in Yellowknife or Fort Smith. Are the educational levels consistent across the Northwest Territories?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes. If it is a high school program, it is based on the Alberta curriculum and there is a core program that is offered. It is a matter of the choice of the students if they follow within that program. That is what we offer at the moment. We don't deviate from that curriculum and it is a matter of choice of the subjects taken that is made by the student.

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Samuel Gargan

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So the Minister is suggesting that the Alberta departmental grades of students in grade 12 courses are the same in the smaller communities. Am I correct?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Whenever students finish matriculation programs or subjects for which they have to write departmental exams, all of the students have to write those same exams. So their assessments are based on the same assessments that Alberta students are considered under.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that. Besides the assessments, do we take the same kinds of tests that the Alberta students take?

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes. It is the same departmental exam that is offered in Alberta that is offered here in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 208-12(5): Restrictions On Students From Communities Attending School In Yellowknife

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Madam Speaker, the quality of education is very important in my community and in the region as well. Also, the choice of education for students is another important factor, not only for the student but also for

the parents. I'm in a position to go against a decision of the divisional board in my region. The honourable Minister of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment said a student can apply to come to Yellowknife but only if the course he wants to take is not available in local or regional schools. Why is there a restriction in place? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The basis on which the restriction is made is to support the development of our community education system. It is our attempt, Madam Speaker, to ensure that the same quality of programs is offered in our communities. We want to ensure we're responsive to the needs of the region, the community and we implement the directions we receive from the divisional boards on this particular matter.

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Question 209-12(5): Options For Parents And Students For Location Of Schooling

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education . Many young people and their families want children educated close to home. However, there are a significant number of parents and students who want the opportunity to attend high school in larger centres where the course choice is greater. The government is not allowing that choice. Instead, it requires students to attend school in the home communities if the grade is there. Is the department prepared to allow students and their parents to decide where they would like to obtain their high school education?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Under the present policy, no, that choice is not there. The policy has been approved, not only by Cabinet but by this Assembly, with the way we've voted the resources in our budgets. I would be careful about how I answer the question because I'm not going to suggest to the honourable Members here that that matter not be considered. However, I do say to the honourable Members that probably the best solution would be for us to ensure that we deliver quality programming in our communities and use all the vehicles to ensure that delivery.

Whether we use television and technology to deliver those programs, I think it's in our best interest to respond to the needs of the student through whatever vehicle.

I think the honourable Member, in his own statements, has made reference to the matter of quality. That is our goal and that is hopefully what we can achieve with the support of my colleagues in this House.

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Deh Cho

Thank you. I appreciate that response. In this case, then, the government's first priority is to respond to the local educational authorities and the divisional boards as opposed to responding to the parents and the students?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Well, Madam Speaker, I'm hoping that the local representatives, the community educational representatives, are responding to the needs of the children. That would be my presumption. I agree with the honourable Member that if that is not the case, then we have to review the matter. But, I really do believe that the CECs do take to heart the concerns of the children. I think if there are problems in that area, and, as Members of the Assembly, we'll have to address that and, as Minister, I'll have to take the advice of Members of this Assembly.

But, I do believe that our best method of dealing with this issue is to ensure that the elected representatives in the communities are responding to their needs. That is my first priority, to respond to the needs of our children. That is the responsibility of those who are given the administrative management responsibility, like our divisional boards. They have to deal with that issue. I agree with that particular matter.

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Deh Cho

Thank you. CECs operate in the communities. Do they operate independently or are they operating on the basis of the Education Act and the policies this government has to carry out education in the communities?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The responsibility of CECs and divisional boards is to carry out the legislation, as the honourable Member has pointed out, including the Education Act. But, also they are to carry out the directives that this department issues to those agencies. If they're not doing that, I think that we have an opportunity, through our strategy and amendments to the Education Act to ensure that they in future have the legislative direction to ensure we meet the needs of our students.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

My final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Is the direction the department is taking with regard to the year 2010 the direction we are going, regardless of whether the community, the parents and children wish those changes be made?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I want to advise the honourable Member that one of the reasons we have not come forward with a detailed strategy at this particular time and have rather come forward with a discussion paper, is to get the views of honourable Members on the concerns they have. We will have an opportunity to influence the direction of education generally across the north with the amendments to the Education Act, and my honourable colleague is the chairperson of the Standing Committee on Legislation.

That legislation will be coming forward for review and the honourable Member, the committee, along with other Members, can have influence in this matter. We are consulting with communities on the development of this strategy and have received as many as 50 submissions on the strategy. It is our view that we should go back to the communities before we come forward with a final document.

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Boarding Students

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . The department has talked about expanding the home boarding program to handle students who come to Yellowknife after the closure of Akaitcho Hall. Home boarding does not have something that Akaitcho Hall does have, I guess, in that Akaitcho Hall provides a peer support structure where students can share their experiences and support each other. This should theoretically mean that students have a more likely chance to success and complete their studies.

I would like to ask the Minister, at this time, if there is any difference in the success rate, currently between those students who are home boarded versus those students who are in Akaitcho Hall. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. I don't have those specific statistics, Madam Speaker. Except I know this, that this success rate so far at Akaitcho Hall has been five per cent. There have now been increases in the whole matter of home boarding students in terms of success rates. But the total amount has been five per cent at Akaitcho Hall.

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Thank you. I would like to ask the Minister if he would be able to provide those statistics comparing the success of the home boarding students versus the success of the Akaitcho Hall students. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. Yes, Madam Speaker, I would be prepared to provide them.

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Question 211-12(5): Closure Of Akaitcho Hall

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the honourable Minister for Education, Culture and Employment . First of all, I would like to commend the government for a job well done by having students outside of Yellowknife coming to Yellowknife by way of a program by this government.

Secondly, I would like to thank the staff at Akaitcho Hall for looking after students from my area.

Thirdly, I would like to thank the people from Yellowknife for allowing the students from outside of Yellowknife to come to Yellowknife.

Madam Speaker, my kids had the opportunity to attend school in Yellowknife. Their second home has been, for the past few years, Akaitcho Hall, which is very important. My question to the Minister is, has the Cabinet given approval in principle to the closure of Akaitcho Hall? The closure is due by June 30, 1994. Has the final decision been made on the closure of Akaitcho Hall? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, the final decision has been made that we will be closing

Akaitcho Hall and will be moving more into home boarding in this community.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister, through you. A few years ago when Mr. Kakfwi was the Minister of Education , I asked the same question about the possibility of the closure of Akaitcho Hall. At that time, the honourable Minister indicated to me, to the House, that the closure was not in the plan of the government unless we have high schools in all the communities. This is not the case. Why was the decision made even though there is no high school in my community? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I can't answer for Mr. Kakfwi . The fact is that I've inherited an initiative that he started, and that was the regional high school program area, in fact, the initiative of moving toward community high school programs.

What we have to understand is, as a government, we also have to consider the matter of costs to run particular programs. The other element that is important for us to consider is that there are now, in Yellowknife for instance, over 100 additional home boarding opportunities for our children. There is a reduction in the total students who are going to be attending high school in Yellowknife because of our regional high school programming that is being offered, and the possibility of extending those particular high school grades in our communities.

In that sense, I think we're doing a better job and I think we'll be more successful in retaining or keeping our high school students in high school. Many of them drop out because they are concerned about their homes and their families at the community level.

I guess I speak as a former student who spent 13 years...I don't know how many of you here spent 13 years in the student residence, but I spent 13 years away from my family. I will tell you that I would rather have these young students staying home with their family, rather than spending as much time away from their home as I did.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Now that we have established that the closure of Akaitcho Hall is imminent, we know it's going to be closed, there is speculation in the air that perhaps Arctic College may take over the facility, or the private sector. What is the fate of Akaitcho Hall? Is anyone taking over the facility to perhaps take in students from outside of this community? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We have not, at this time, made any decisions about the future use of Akaitcho Hall. What we have done is established a group in the government to review proposals. A number of agencies have indicated the possible utilization of Akaitcho Hall. One is Yellowknife Education District No. 1 in terms of our discussions with transfer of Sir John to their authority. Secondly, Arctic College is another agency that has expressed an interest in the possible utilization of college programming at Akaitcho. So, in that sense, we have not made any determination at this particular juncture.

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Question 212-12(5): Reason For Decline In Students At Akaitcho Hall

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On the subject of Akaitcho Hall, I was one of the first students in that residence back in 1958. I spent considerable time in residential school, myself. So did my brothers. I had two brothers attend Akaitcho. So the Minister doesn't have a monopoly on being in residential schools, if that's governing the decisions being made about residential schools.

I want to ask a question about the purpose for closing Akaitcho Hall. I guess it's been cited that there's a decline in the number of students. The place can't operate unless it's full, or a majority full. I would like to know whether the decline in the number of students in Akaitcho Hall is because the students didn't want to come to Akaitcho Hall, or because their parents didn't want them to come to Akaitcho Hall, or because the department didn't want them to come to Akaitcho Hall for education. What would be the factors?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I didn't say I had a monopoly, I had suggested I wouldn't want other students to stay away from home as long as I did, and I think there are others who did.

Madam Speaker, there are a number of factors that are important when you review the whole matter of the closure of Akaitcho Hall, and the whole matter of the transfer of Sir John. The increasing number of community secondary schools has meant that the number of students coming to Yellowknife for their high school education is decreasing each year. In our anticipation, for instance, for September of 1994, it's expected to be about 50 students who will be continuing their high school education in Yellowknife.

In other words, we are not asking those students who already began their high school program here to move out of Yellowknife. These students presently can be accommodated more effectively and at less cost through home boarding. The Executive Council has given approval for closure effective June 30. We are treating our staff, under the workforce adjustment program, as fairly as we can. Those, in my view, are some of the factors.

The other issue is there is a cost factor if you review it. The resulting savings are 26 PYs at a cost of $2.7 million in salaries and O and M costs. There are other potential savings and utility costs, but I am not sure about those. Generally speaking, those are the factors we had to consider. There will be an ongoing decline in the total number of students as these students graduate and as we improve community secondary programs.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it is hard to argue against the value of education in your own community. It is also difficult to argue against the value of education away from home. It is a well-known fact that when you travel, you gain additional knowledge. Akaitcho Hall, in conjunction with Sir John Franklin, offered many people in communities opportunities they wouldn't otherwise have. Many of the Members have expressed that here and I will also express that.

If a student decides they want to get an education away from their home community, for a variety of reasons that are very well-known to Members of this House, will this opportunity still be available to them to get education in Yellowknife or Fort Smith, et cetera?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Under the policies that have been approved by this Assembly, the ability for students to move from region to region will be much more restricted. In fact, in some cases, the opportunity will not be available to them. However, most of the resources we have for secondary schooling are now being transferred to the divisional boards. They can make a decision, if they so choose, to provide the assistance and resources to students who wish to attend school outside their particular area.

As such, we have made a choice of removing ourselves from the daily operational decisions that we were formerly involved in because we have given authority to the divisional and regional boards.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to follow up on Mr. Whitford 's question with regard to the decline of students going to Akaitcho Hall. I didn't hear the Minister say whether it was because students were not allowed to come to Akaitcho Hall that the decline has been created. I would like to ask the Minister if one of the factors -- the decline in Akaitcho Hall numbers -- is as a result of students not being allowed to come to Yellowknife.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. With the increasing number of community programs, in other words high school programs and high schools that are being established, we are seeing a reduced number of those students who used to come to Yellowknife for high school. For instance, in Kitikmeot, you have many students now deciding to stay in the Kitikmeot, both in Cambridge Bay and Coppermine, along with some of the students who are attending other high school programs in their communities. Those students in Rankin Inlet, Arviat, Baker Lake and now Coral Harbour used to attend this high school.

Many of those students do not come back now to this high school because of those programs. That is generally the biggest reason as to why students are not returning to Yellowknife.

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Question 214-12(5): Minister's Commitment To Provide Excellence In Education

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education . The Standing Committee on Finance has made excellence in education a primary focus. It will take vision and political courage to move towards that goal. Is the Minister prepared to meet with communities, school boards, administrators and teachers to provide that courage and vision and challenge the system to provide nothing less than the best education system in the country here in the Northwest Territories?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes. I think the honourable Member pointed out yesterday, from the statement that I made regarding the matter of student achievement, that we do take the matter of excellence of educational programming seriously. We also take seriously the advice that has been given by the standing committee. From the most recent meeting with the Nunavut divisional board chairs, they see the whole matter of education as being primary and important. All of the programming we offer needs to be, not necessarily of quantity, but rather quality, quality, quality.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I thank the Minister for that response. The Minister will recognize there is a lot of frustration now in communities about the standard of education. There will be a tendency for people to blame the department, teachers or principals. The standing committee's observation is that approach is counterproductive. We have to all pull together, recognize that we have a problem and move towards a solution. Does the Minister agree that that type of proactive approach, without looking for scapegoats, is the most productive way to achieve these goals?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, I believe that is the only approach that can allow for us to be successful. The point that the honourable Member makes of pointing no fingers, but rather to be proactive, rather than reactive, and to plan and provide for the leadership that is necessary for the changes to occur, I agree and concur with.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Again, to the Minister of Education . Three years ago, when the government started talking about what to do with Akaitcho Hall, there was a suggestion that the facility be privatized. This would seem to be a good opportunity. There might be aboriginal organizations or other northern companies that would be interested in taking over Akaitcho Hall to give the parents and students the opportunity to have their children go to school in Yellowknife. Did the Cabinet consider this option when it gave its approval in principle to close Akaitcho Hall?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That matter was not a factor in our decision to close. That is not to suggest that in our discussions and proposals that may come in...I had discussions with some of the women who have been involved in the possible setting up of boarding homes. That, in my view, is a part of the discussions that need to go on now. In other words, they have to come forward with their ideas. However, I do say to the honourable Members that the cost savings we have made with the closing of Akaitcho Hall can be utilized in educational programming, direct to students and directly improving program delivery of our system.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

So, even though the government is promoting private sector development, is the Minister saying he has rejected this option?

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Thank you. Minister of Education , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We haven't rejected any option. What we have said is that under the present system, we can not operate Akaitcho Hall at the costs we are now incurring, particularly in light of the reduction of the total number of students who will be attending high school programming in Yellowknife from our communities. That is the basis of the decision.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Since the government did reject it, would the Minister be prepared to consider, if an organization was able to operate it, Akaitcho Hall for a student residence?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Madam Speaker, if they were able to run the building on the basis of the annual rates we pay for home boarding, I don't think anybody would reject it. But, I think that would be very, very difficult. None of the options have been rejected at this particular junction. Proposals have not come in. Discussions have happened but we have not had specific and detailed proposals that any of our departments or that our review committee has been able to consider.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Since the direction with Akaitcho Hall is not really clear, is the government moving in the direction of creating regional community residences?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In those communities where we can justify the need for regional residences, yes we will consider it. But, it's all part of the

capital planning process and we will address the needs based on the requests and the priority given by the community.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Question 216-12(5): Consideration For Operation Of Akaitcho Hall By Divisional Boards

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, education is a priority of this government, as I see it. I know the closure of Akaitcho Hall which will take place on June 30, 1994 is very painful, especially for people like myself whose kids have gone through that education system. They have taken their training at Sir John and at St. Patrick's. I think cost is of little significance, given the fact that quality education has been attained through Yellowknife. The Minister is a fine example of someone who has gone through the system here.

My question to the Minister follows the same line as Mr. Gargan , the Member for Deh Cho . I'm wondering if any effort has been made to approach divisional boards. Perhaps there could be a joint operation between the system and the divisional boards within this jurisdiction. I think every region has the opportunity to have their kids going to school here in Yellowknife. I mentioned earlier that education at Sir John and at St. Patrick's is one of the finest in the system. I'm wondering if the Minister has considered approaching divisional boards for joint operation. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Actually, the requests that have been made by most divisional boards have been to develop the high school programming in the communities within their regions. It is a bit of a deviation from the initiatives that have been undertaken by the divisional boards. The suggestion could be considered and I could convey it to the divisional boards to see what the response is. But, so far, the position has been to develop high school programming in our communities. That has been the direction they've undertaken.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I mentioned earlier that I'm not one to argue with divisional boards. In some cases, given the number of students who are ready to attend high school in some regions, the high school system in the region is not able to take that number of students ready to go through the system. I'm wondering, in the event that we're not able to accommodate the number of students in the region, perhaps the Minister should seriously consider usage of Akaitcho Hall for accommodation for the overflow of students who should be coming to Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Earlier, I indicated to the honourable Members that there are still a great number of potential home boarding opportunities here in the community. We have not utilized the home boarding situation here. I think it can accommodate our students. There are some advantages to that situation where there are families taking direct care of children and becoming responsible for them.

There are also disadvantages. I agree with my honourable colleague, Mr. Gargan , who has raised the point a number of times of whether there are enough aboriginal families in the community that can take care of aboriginal students from smaller communities. I think that's something that has to be considered. In our discussion and our decision, we are also going to establish two counsellors to take care of our students so that we have someone taking a personal interest so if students have problems and concerns about where they're located, we can address that immediately.

At the same time, I'm not opposed to the idea that the honourable Member has raised and that is to address the potential overflow concerns regions might have. But my view is, as long as we can develop the regional high school programs and offer the services necessary, I think we will be in a better position in the future with our children. I accept the comments that have been made by the honourable Member.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Question 217-12(5): Impact Of Alberta Budget On Nwt

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister of Finance . Madam Speaker, yesterday, not too far on the heels of the federal government's budget being tabled, the Alberta government -- our sister province to the south -- handed down its budget. It appears, at least at first glance, that there are going to be substantial cuts to education and health, among other things. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance if his department has had an opportunity to review this budget, and to determine if there will be any positive or negative effects on the Northwest Territories, given the fact that we're so closely related to them.

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Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I didn't keep the staff up all night last night looking at the Alberta budget, but we will have some numbers next week to see if it does impact us. Our main area of concern was health because we were making a new arrangement with Alberta. Alberta was kind enough to tell us what they were going to do in advance

of their budget in the Department of Health and in the area of health. The arrangements that we're making health-wise haven't affected us. But we will look at the issues in their budget to see if there's something that's going to impact some of the services that they do provide to us, and report back to the House. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I appreciate the response that the Minister has given. I would like to know whether he will be giving special attention to the area of education. Education, as we just spoke about earlier today and yesterday, the direction towards 2010. We have a large number of students in Alberta from the Northwest Territories who are attending post-secondary educational facilities. I wonder if the Minister would give special attention to that area.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, I will certainly have the budget looked at to see what impact there will be on education as far as Albertans are concerned. I will leave the detailed analysis to the Department of Education, Mr. Nerysoo 's department, to judge the impact on our territory. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 218-12(5): Cost Estimates On Education Programs

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 378

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education and it's with regard to the costs of running Akaitcho Hall. I know that under their discussion paper on the strategy to 2010, they looked at an estimated needs assessment of capital money required. It goes up to about $843 million. Has the Minister also used the operation of Akaitcho Hall as part of those cost estimates, or is it that we close Akaitcho Hall and that's it? I think we should spend more capital dollars in the regions as opposed to keeping Akaitcho Hall open.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The cost estimates in the presentation yesterday, were based on actual school needs. It was the schooling needs that had to be dealt with. If you recall a comment by Ms. Balanoff that a factor that is not in here is the Arctic College programming, the post-secondary. These are just the actual school needs to respond to the needs of our children. It's the actual school needs. That includes the whole matter of responding to the growth of our communities, in other words the population. We

see it as being the requirement to respond to the educational facility needs.

I want to advise the honourable Member that one of the discussions that has gone on is with the Yellowknife Education District No. 1 about the possibility of utilizing Akaitcho Hall as additional instructional space. In other words, they need the instructional space for high school programming. So that possibility is there. In other words, we don't have to build new space but, in fact, renovate that particular space to provide high school programming. The reason is that there has been an expansion in the high school population. So that's one of the considerations as well, and we're looking at that. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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