Budget, Oral Questions, Health and Social Services — 13 December 2011 (17th Assembly, 1st Session, pp. 159–190)
2011-12-13, 17th Assembly 1st Session, pp. 159–190
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Dec. 13th, 2011
This is page numbers 159 - 190 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 1st Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
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Topics
Oral Questions
Members Present
Prayer
Minister’s Statement 17-17(1): Deh Cho Bridge
Minister’s Statement 18-17(1): Report On The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Minister’s Statement 19-17(1): State Of Health And Social Services System
Minister’s Statement 20-17(1): Meeting With Federal Justice Minister On Bill C-10
Need For A Territorial Mineral Strategy
Inuvik Natural Gas Reserves
Stable And Flexible Non-Government Organization Funding
Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
Congratulations To Newly Elected Community Leadership
Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
Economic Potential Of The Northwest Territories
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
2-17(1): RCMP Constable Kirk Hughes – Fire Service Merit Award Recipient
Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
Funding For Non-Government Organizations
Inuvik Natural Gas Reserves
Deh Cho Bridge Toll System
Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)
Relationships With Aboriginal Governments
Retail Pricing Of Gasoline Products
Construction Of Willow Lake Access Road
Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
Diabetes Prevention And Management Programs
Deh Cho Bridge
Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
Health Promotion And Prevention Funding
Written Question 2-17(1): Safety Of Community Drinking Water Sources
Tabled Document 8-17(1): NWT Business Development And Investment Corporation 2010-2011 Annual Report
Tabled Document 9-17(1): Waste Reduction And Recovery Program 2010-2011 Annual Report
Tabled Document 10-17(1): Annual Report On Official Languages 2010-2011
Tabled Document 11-17(1): Elections NWT Official Voting Results 2011
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Concurrence Of Tabled Document 2-17(1), Northwest Territories Capital Estimates 2012-2013
Report of Committee of the Whole
Orders of the Day
The House met at 1:33 p.m.
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Prayer
Prayer
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Good afternoon, everybody. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .
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Minister’s Statement 17-17(1): Deh Cho Bridge
Ministers’ Statements
Kam Lake
David Ramsay
Minister of Transportation
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about an important project I have spoken about many times before in this House and I’m referring to the Deh Cho Bridge.
I want to assure all Members that my interests in this project remain the same as they’ve always been, to ensure that the Deh Cho Bridge Project is delivered safely in an efficient and effective manner. The Department of Transportation’s overarching commitment is to build the bridge to the highest standards of safety and quality. We have a team of highly motivated professionals overseeing every aspect of construction. I have every confidence in their ability to manage the project and mitigate the risks.
Construction has reached a key milestone with the installation of the first two towers. These towers hold up the cables that will support the centre span of the bridge. The truss is 90 percent launched with only two sections to go. Earthworks and abutment construction on the north side are nearly completed. In the next couple of months we will witness the stringing of the cables on the first tower, the joining of the truss and the installation of the second tower and cables.
The installation of the deck panels will follow. These are major accomplishments that will set the stage for the final work next summer, which will include the grouting and the paving of the deck, installation of electrical and utilities work, and completion of the earthworks and abutments. I encourage everyone to visit the Deh Cho Bridge website to track the progress of the final phases of construction.
I am committed to keeping Members and the public fully apprised of all aspects of this project. The two issues that are of the greatest interest are the
schedule and the budget. With regard to the schedule, we are anticipating that the bridge will be open to traffic in the fall of 2012. The contractor is responsible for the progress of work and they have the contractual obligation to complete the work as specified. Risks to the
schedule include the late delivery of key components; new work such as the installation of the towers and cables, which could take longer than foreseen; and severe weather conditions, which could slow the overall pace of work.
The current construction budget stands at just over $182 million, but it is now estimated that we will now require additional funding to complete construction. The added costs are required for contract change orders arising from improvements to the design. These will enhance the quality of work and long-term performance of this bridge. There are also additional project management and engineering costs arising from the extension of construction to the fall of 2012, and we will also need to maintain a suitable construction contingency fund to deal with unknowns on the remaining construction activities.
I’d like to assure the Members and the public that this additional funding is a valid requirement for completion of this project, that the project is moving forward in the most efficient manner possible and that every effort to mitigate further financial risk is being taken.
At this time I also want to reiterate the commitment of the previous government, which was to undertake a retrospective analysis of the project after it’s completed. The analysis will include total project costs as well as lessons learned. This will assist the Government of the Northwest Territories with future large infrastructure projects.
The GNWT is currently developing regulations respecting the collection of tolls from commercial vehicles crossing the bridge. The regulations will establish, among other things, the toll rates. The department has designed a toll collection system that is seamless for the trucking industry. It is fully integrated with our existing commercial vehicle permitting process and linked to our financial administration system. There will be no toll booth.
There will be no need for trucks to stop prior to crossing the bridge. Tracking of vehicles will be done electronically.
In closing, I’m looking forward to opening the Deh Cho Bridge. It is one of the largest construction projects ever undertaken in the Northwest Territories. When complete, it will provide reliable, uninterrupted service for generations of NWT residents to come. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister’s Statement 17-17(1): Deh Cho Bridge
Ministers’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Power Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Minister’s Statement 18-17(1): Report On The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Ministers’ Statements
Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories Power Corporation has been undergoing rapid and significant transition over the past three months. This transition is required to maintain the confidence of its customers and sole shareholder, the GNWT.
While NTPC has delivered power to the customers of the NWT for many years, pressure with respect to increasing rates and sliding reliability demanded significant changes. While many changes have already been implemented, others will take further time to complete. There are some significant challenges ahead for NTPC; namely, a general rate application, the gas situation in Inuvik and Norman Wells, as well as ensuring the Bluefish project stays on budget. However, the new organization is now in a better position to manage these significant issues.
Some of the areas where improvements have already begun are:
a complete restructuring where the corporation
flattened the management structure to eliminate layers between front-line employees and the top of the organization;
elimination of nine redundant or unnecessary
positions which included the chief operating officer and several other senior positions within the organization;
significant unit cost reduction initiatives have
been implemented at NTPC in anticipation of required increases to rates. These increases are due primarily to five years of general inflationary and diesel cost pressures since the last general rate application;
NTPC is now focused on operating and
maintaining the power systems of the NWT. NT Hydro is now responsible for renewable energy projects, as well as the development of a long-term NWT power system plan. This will allow each part to focus on achieving excellence in their respective areas;
NTPC’s management “at risk” pay structure or
bonus system is now aligned with that of the GNWT. This has been a long-standing issue that has finally been addressed by the corporation;
NTPC has developed a strategic plan focused
on striving for excellence in the three areas that customers measure their performance most: reliability of service, price of electricity and meeting commitments made. This will be achieved by working towards excellence in four key areas: employee, operational, customer service and financial excellence.
NT Hydro has also developed a strategic plan
focused on improving the system that delivers energy to Northerners, as well as facilitating industry coming to the NWT. This strategy specifically aims to deliver renewable community-based projects in partnership with government, develop a long-term power system plan, service start-up private industry with power to build in a strong northern economy, and lastly, examination of alternative fuels like biomass and geothermal to heat, as well as power our communities.
Some of the areas where more work remains include:
creating apprenticeships for Northerners so that
the people of the NWT have the opportunity to be trained to work in skilled jobs that contribute to life in the North;
a condition assessment of all NTPC assets that
will drive the development of effective and efficient maintenance programs as well as capital replacement programs;
the use of key performance indicators and
benchmarking with compatible utilities that will drive the implementation of best practices and ultimately lead to top quartile performance;
development of a business-focused culture that
strives for the lowest cost and treats expenditures as their own. This means working to reduce costs from within and externally from suppliers;
the filing of the general rate application in the
next few months when NTPC will explain its costs, the significant gap between present revenues and the required revenue to operate the company, and what it is going to do to manage costs so as to keep rates as low as possible;
working with the GNWT to develop an
affordable and transparent process that protects the interest of ratepayers during a general rate application, without costing in excess of $2 million that all ratepayers have to pay for;
in Inuvik the community gas supply has a limited
life of two years remaining and NTPC is working with stakeholders to extend the supply of gas to the town by converting to diesel and to try to find a long-term solution to this challenge. In Norman Wells NTPC is working with the community to manage the end of gas being supplied to residents and businesses;
implementing community-based renewable
projects in partnership with government where the gap between costs of various technologies versus existing cost of power is minimized; and
developing an NWT power system plan where
we highlight all the known potential sources of energy and requirements to connect them. This will provide a basis for us to consider and discuss our energy future. The projects that ultimately proceed can only be the ones that bring real benefits to the residents of the NWT.
While there are some significant hurdles to overcome in the coming year and beyond, progress is being made and the Power Corporation has been directed to deal with these issues head on and work toward the best outcomes for the residents of the NWT. I will be providing regular reports to Members of this Assembly on the progress being made at NTPC and NT Hydro as we move forward.
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Minister’s Statement 18-17(1): Report On The Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Ministers’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .
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Minister’s Statement 19-17(1): State Of Health And Social Services System
Ministers’ Statements
Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to speak about the state of the health and social service system in the Northwest Territories. We need to take decisive action to ensure that we can continue to deliver high-quality services to our residents into the future.
Sustainability of the health care system is a national issue and one that is of concern to Canadians across the country. Every health system in Canada is affected by rising costs, shortages of health professionals and the health needs of an aging population.
But in the North we face additional challenges, including the heavy use of medical travel in order for residents to access services. Our health and social services system also has to deal with the impacts and high rates of smoking and alcohol abuse, unhealthy diets and low levels of physical activity among many Northerners. Our communities are dealing with the after-effects of the trauma of residential schools. We have a health governance system that has evolved over time but is not structured to respond to today’s program and service needs.
These are big challenges but they can be overcome. We can make real change in the health and social services system, change that will improve access to services for Northerners, support improved health outcomes and help contain costs. The basis for change is spelled out in Health and Social Services Strategic Plan, “Building Our Future,” which will run to 2016.
What needs to happen? First of all we need to improve the management system. We need to take advantage of the economies of scale and share resources collaboratively among regions. We can accomplish this by streamlining the governance system and finding ways to integrate services such as finance, procurement and technical support.
Secondly, we need to take advantage of eHealth using modern communications technology to bring services to the people in their home communities. We have already had great success sending X-rays from the communities to Yellowknife, in providing speech and language therapy to the children in our community schools, and in providing psychiatric and family counselling by video conference. Expanding eHealth can help minimize the need for medical travel, both saving costs and providing faster care.
The strategic plan includes other key building blocks to a sustainable system. We are working to find better ways to manage chronic diseases like diabetes, by giving patients the proper support at the community level and the tools they need to manage their illness. We need to support people with mental illness and addictions by ensuring that programs and trained staff are available in their communities. We need to do a better job of working with families to address problems that might lead to children being taken into care.
One of the priorities of the 17
Legislative
Assembly is to ensure a fair and sustainable health care system by investing in prevention, education and awareness, and early childhood development. Focusing on wellness and prevention at the community level will lead to improved health status over the long term. To put it simply, there are four key steps that every resident must take to live a healthy lifestyle: stop smoking, consume alcohol in moderation, eat healthy foods and stay physically active. We need to get this message out to help Northerners make these healthy choices.
The Government of the Northwest Territories multi-department Healthy Choices Framework helps to accomplish this through programs like Drop the Pop, Get Active and Tobacco Cessation. It may take years for these campaigns to lead to improved health outcomes, but we know they will work. Our successful Don’t be a Butthead campaign has helped reduce teen smoking.
Perhaps the most important investment we can make is in our children. The Healthy Families
program now expands to six communities and provides supportive parenting services and promotes healthy parent-child relationships. Children who grow up in a loving, nurturing family can do well in school and in the workforce and lead productive lives.
In closing, I am committed to working with all Northerners to improve the operation of the health and social services system to improve health status of the Northwest Territories residents and to ensure that our system remains sustainable while meeting the needs of all Northerners. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister’s Statement 19-17(1): State Of Health And Social Services System
Ministers’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .
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Minister’s Statement 20-17(1): Meeting With Federal Justice Minister On Bill C-10
Ministers’ Statements
Great Slave
Glen Abernethy
Minister of Justice
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to update the House on discussions I had with the federal Minister of Justice , the Honourable Rob Nicholson, yesterday. The purpose of this meeting was to bring the concerns of my colleagues regarding Bill C-10 to the Minister and to discuss how best to mitigate the impacts of the bill on the Northwest Territories.
The Parliament of Canada has the right and responsibility to pass national legislation in respect to criminal justice that can significantly affect all the provinces and territories. The motion passed just last Friday by this Assembly details some of the concerns that we have about this bill, and how it may affect our residents and our institutions that respond to crime. But we must be mindful of the fact that Bill C-10 is the latest in a string of federal bills aimed at addressing crime. Since 2006 there have been 18 crime and public safety bills that have gone through Parliament, many of which are now law.
These initiatives have had a cumulative impact on our services here in the Northwest Territories.
For the record, Bill C-10 bundles nine bills that were introduced in the previous Parliament into one large piece of legislation. The bill covers everything from sexual offences and drug crimes, to compensating victims of terrorism and eliminating pardons for some offences. The bill also introduces new offences and mandatory minimum sentences, imposes higher penalties and restricts the use of conditional sentences.
We anticipate the changes in sentencing will affect our corrections system where we may see more or see increases in the number of adults in custody as well as more youth in pre-trial and sentence custody. There may also be pressures on our courts and on our Legal Aid Program as more people may contest charges due to the increased penalties.
Additionally, the new legislation may place more demands on our victim services. There may be increased pressures on our community justice programs and will continue to try to deal with matters outside of the court system wherever possible.
Minister Nicholson and I had a positive discussion, recognizing the unique concerns we have in the Northwest Territories. We agreed that we will continue to work together on a number of fronts including: diversion options, potential options for alternative courts, victim services, Aboriginal justice and youth justice.
I extended an invitation to Minister Nicholson to come visit one of our small communities here in the North to see daily life firsthand. He was open and receptive to the invitation.
We will be continuing our discussions with Canada to develop concrete approaches to mitigating the effects of Bill C-10, and work with our northern counterparts in Nunavut and the Yukon to promote our common interests and to share the best practices. We look forward to further discussions with all Ministers of Justice at the FPT Ministers of Justice meeting at the end of January. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister’s Statement 20-17(1): Meeting With Federal Justice Minister On Bill C-10
Ministers’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .
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Need For A Territorial Mineral Strategy
Members’ Statements
Daryl Dolynny
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. NWT exploration takes a hit. Investment in environment is not as strong as it should be. Mineral exploration is booming in Nunavut. These are the media headlines to which every resident of the NWT is reading. What is interesting is that it is also occurring at the heels of a successful geoscience forum. Pretty sad, but moreover, quite embarrassing.
Have investors lost confidence in the Northwest Territories? By sheer numbers, it is very clear they have. Even our Chamber of Mines is quick to point out that, in comparison to our two neighbours, something has gone wrong here in the Northwest Territories. Nunavut is up over 23 percent this past year with $396 million being invested in 2011. Even the Yukon is up by 21 percent, with the NWT down 5 percent in 2011 at a meager $81 million in investment. These are not numbers to be proud of and our residents in the business community deserve some serious answers from this government.
What is causing this poor performance? Some say it stems from our complicated regulations and unsettled land claims. Yet others feel our stakeholders do not know where we stand to our barriers of investment. However, there are those that chastise previous Assemblies for not applying such things as the McCrank Report into action.
No matter what the hurdles are to stimulate this economy, we cannot linger lightly along, hoping for our federal counterparts to magically save the day. Our diamond mining industry has hit its peak, and without future investment in this territory, we will be in serious trouble. Although I am proud of the 17
Assembly’s commitment to working on our Mineral Strategy, it is worrisome that we are taking two paths of approach and hope that the Minister and his team work on ways to put some confidence back into this industry in short order.
Some of our younger members here today in the gallery and I am sure those watching want to read tomorrow’s headlines. NWT back on top. Exploration is strong again in the NWT. The mineral future is bright. These are what people want to read.
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Need For A Territorial Mineral Strategy
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .
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Inuvik Natural Gas Reserves
Members’ Statements
Alfred Moses
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My Member’s statement today is going to deal with the current gas situation in Inuvik. As we know, there is a short lifespan to the gas reserve that supplies natural gas to the residents and businesses in the town of Inuvik. For the past 12 years Inuvik Gas Limited has supplied natural gas to over 900 customers, and during this time there have been noticeable and significant financial and environmental benefits. However, that gas supply to the people of Inuvik is estimated to be at less than two years, even closer to a year and a half. This has now become an urgent matter for the people of Inuvik as well as this government, also focusing on a very sensitive timeline.
With that said, key stakeholders have been meeting and working hard to find solutions. Currently a propane air system has been installed as a backup plan to use only for emergency situations. However, this is not a long-term solution or a long-term answer. The answer will deal with the key stakeholders and working with the GNWT to find a new long-term gas supply for the people of Inuvik.
I will have questions later on today for the Premier of the Northwest Territories in regard to this matter. Thank you.
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Inuvik Natural Gas Reserves
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .
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Stable And Flexible Non-Government Organization Funding
Members’ Statements
Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s surprising what one can find while looking for something else. Last week I found the following statement in a GNWT document titled “Framework for the GNWT Response to Homelessness,” and I quote from there:
“NGO programs need GNWT financial support. The GNWT recognizes that:
1. non-government organizations are the front-line
service providers for the homeless;
2. NGOs require predictable and multi-year
financial support; and
need to support the flexibility of the non-government organizations.”
That’s very gratifying to me to see those words. It justifies the position that I’ve been espousing for the last four years, but how depressing and disappointing that none of these three things are paid anything but lip service by our government. Those words were published in January 2007 and now, five years later, GNWT actions have not reflected any truth to those words.
The situation for NWT NGOs continues to be made very difficult by this government. Let me give you a case in point. Early in June 2011 a call was put out for NGOs to apply for funding available under the NGO Stabilization Fund. Some $350,000. Thirty-five organizations did their homework, filled out the forms, provided all of the necessary information and sent their applications in. The asks in those applications totalled about $1.5 million, a good indication of the need out there for more funding amongst NGOs. Then the applicants waited, and waited, and waited. For five months they waited for a response to their application.
I was contacted by a frustrated constituent in late November. She’d heard that the funds would not be awarded at all this year. I was flabbergasted that in five months our government had not been able to evaluate 35 applications, make recommendations and get approval from the Minister. It makes me think of that joke about how many people it takes to change a light bulb.
I know the wheels of government move slowly, but five months? I’m sorry; that’s ridiculous. I must give credit where credit is due and recognize that the funds have now been awarded and applicants advised, but now they have a different problem. There’s only four months left in the fiscal year to spend the money that they will soon get and one of those months includes the Christmas break.
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
---Unanimous consent granted
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Stable And Flexible Non-Government Organization Funding
Members’ Statements
Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Only four months to spend their money. This hardly seems fair to me and I believe the delay is inexcusable. There’s never a shortage of Ministers acknowledging the valuable work done by NGOs on behalf of the GNWT, but when will we start respecting our NGOs in actions and not just words?
I will have questions for the Premier at a later date. Thank you.
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Stable And Flexible Non-Government Organization Funding
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .
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Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
Members’ Statements
Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today’s Member’s statement that I’ll be conveying to the House is about the downtown day shelter here in Yellowknife.
In 2009 we had a pilot project here in Yellowknife and it was the establishment of the downtown day shelter. This couldn’t have happened without the great support of at the time the Health Minister , who helped lead this project in partnership with the City of Yellowknife and, very importantly, the generous support of BHP Billiton, and with all three partners that brought this project to life.
What is the downtown day shelter? Well, it’s a location – for some it’s the only location – where they can go where it’s warm during the day where these people – and I definitely mean people – can access washrooms, phones, get a warm cup of coffee and have a snack. In many cases this is the only place they can go where it’s warm, get a coffee, even access a washroom, and have a snack. This is a very important service, a valuable service, if I may say, to many people who often get ignored and have nowhere else to go.
I think what’s coming up here is a bit of a problem and this is part of the reason why I wanted to talk about it today. The downtown day shelter is a pilot project. It was a pilot project, as I pointed out, developed with the Department of Health in partnership with BHP and the City of Yellowknife. Unfortunately, as all pilot projects go, they always have an end date. That worries me as well as a number of people. The pilot project is scheduled to end in the new year, which brings me to my concern: What are the long-term plans for the downtown day shelter? It’s a valuable service, as I said, to provide somewhere for people to go who really have nowhere to go.
While we have the doors wide open, hearts open to help others, let’s make sure padlocks aren’t put on those doors and they’re put out to go who knows where.
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Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .
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Congratulations To Newly Elected Community Leadership
Members’ Statements
Frederick Blake Jr.
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I take this time today to congratulate the newly elected leaders from our municipal communities in the NWT. Elections for mayor and councillors were held on December 12, 2011, and I look forward to meeting the new community leaders in the coming year.
I trust that our territorial and community governments will work positively towards a healthier and stronger territory. I want to extend to all municipalities my best wishes throughout the term and I, again, look forward to meeting and working with all the leaders.
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Congratulations To Newly Elected Community Leadership
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .
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Congratulations To Newly Elected Community Leadership
Members’ Statements
Michael Nadli
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker Today I would like to congratulate the leaders that were elected as mayors and councillors of local communities. A community is defined as all the people living in a specific locality, a body of people having an interest in common. While I understand we have public and Aboriginal governments, we all work together on common interests, issues and concerns. Taking a leadership role is a big responsibility, especially in small communities where you have to work 24/7 and be everything to everybody. For these reasons I applaud the people who have taken this step forward to take on these roles.
A leader is often defined to have certain qualities about them, including vision, consensus-maker, communicator, organizer, planner, coordinator, monitor, but most of all being a figurehead for groups and organizations in communities. Lao Tzu, a Chinese Taoist philosopher, defined leadership in this quote: “A good leader inspires people to have confidence in the leader; a great leader inspires people to have confidence in themselves.”
At this time we face major challenges and most prominent is the fiscal limitations of this government. This is a time that all leaders need to work together to unite and ensure our communities remain strong and vibrant and move us forward into the future.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .
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Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
Members’ Statements
Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again I rise to talk about the lack of RCMP detachments in our communities in the Northwest Territories. Presently there are 10 communities without RCMP members. The RCMP serves these 10 communities from a larger detachment. For example, in Tsiigehtchic the RCMP from Fort McPherson serve that community; in Gameti the Behchoko Detachment serves that community; Colville Lake is served by the RCMP Fort Good Hope Detachment. It has been a long-standing issue with the communities that do not have RCMP members in that community. It at times can be very frustrating.
It can be very painful for some of the members in the community when they need protection, and they need to ensure the safety of the buildings and their lives, that there is an RCMP in that community.
Because of the isolation of our communities some of my communities are not hooked up on all-weather road systems. Sometimes the weather is bad. Sometimes when the community is asking for help, the RCMP is not able to get in there as quickly as they want. Sometimes it takes days; sometimes longer. Sometimes the requests to have RCMP members in their communities are questioned, like they have to go through a screening process to see if there really is a need to have a Member there. The communities are getting frustrated because sometimes they’re seen to not be taken very seriously, or if the issue is not taken to the extent that they need an RCMP.
I want to ask the Minister, in light of his meeting with the federal Minister, what this government is doing to ensure that people, like in Colville Lake, can rest assured that they can have an RCMP member there or some form of law enforcement to ensure that older people and younger people can live and have some safety there.
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Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
Members’ Statements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Economic Potential Of The Northwest Territories
Members’ Statements
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I could put a title on my Member’s statement today it would “Why?” Why is our North rich in highly valued natural resources but our disjointed regulatory regime discourages exploration and development? Why are industries that thrive south of the 60
parallel and create enormous economy
and prosperity non-existent in the Northwest Territories? Why do we have abundant renewable resources in the area of forests, fisheries and wildlife, and we extract next to no industry from
these resources? Why can our neighbours to the west in the Yukon generate millions of dollars in economy through tourism, and we lag so far behind? Why do we allow projects like the Mackenzie Valley Pipeline to languish when our people need jobs and we try to muddy the waters by using the pipeline to leverage political agendas?
The list of why goes on and on. We have some very serious questions to ask ourselves here in the Northwest Territories. I guess Ottawa will keep sending us the money that we need to keep the status quo, but I don’t think people should be satisfied with the status quo. I think our people want more, they expect more, and we better get some answers to these questions.
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Economic Potential Of The Northwest Territories
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.
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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Today, colleagues, I’d like to welcome a class that was pre-election, did the polls. The people that we have sitting in this place, the students I’m about to name, they’re all one of us, but the one that was me is home sick today, so I hope she’s feeling better. For Grace Mouncey, Lily Allison, Emma Butler, Braeden Cordero, Dylan Harker, Delaney Heffernan, Kieran Kobaissi, Tamara Jovic, Jennifer Lalonde, Olivia Lanteigne, Jenna Orr, Robert Paddock, Kayla Sanderson, Sonali Sivakumar, Brahm Dies and Nokuthula Rukobo, and their teacher, Monique Marinier, welcome to the Legislative Assembly.
Whoever else, it’s always good to have people in the Assembly visiting us today. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to recognize an almost-constituent. It’s not a reincarnation, an incarnation of myself with the granddaughter of a constituent, Ms. Dylan Harker. Welcome to the House, Dylan.
I’d also like to recognize Mr. Byrne Richards, co-chair of the Yellowknife Homelessness Coalition.
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Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to thank you for introducing every one of the students of Grade 5 J.H. Sissons School. I also want to recognize them as a group and say thank you for coming today. It’s great to see everyone’s smiling face. I certainly look forward to seeing them all very soon in their class. Thank you for coming today, students. Good to see you all.
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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .
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Glen Abernethy
Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize my wife, Carolyn Smith, in the gallery today.
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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Welcome, Carolyn. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .
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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
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Daryl Dolynny
Range Lake
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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Mr. Dolynny , good. Thank you. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize the Grade 5 class of Sissons, and Monique as well. I often go and visit with the students over there.
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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Item 6, acknowledgements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .
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2-17(1): RCMP Constable Kirk Hughes – Fire Service Merit Award Recipient
Acknowledgements
Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to acknowledge one of my constituents from Deline who was recognized this past week as the recipient of the Northwest Territories Fire Service Merit. This officer is Constable Kirk Hughes. Constable Hughes, amongst his duties as an RCMP officer, also serves as a volunteer firefighter in Deline. Constable Hughes, along with the other recipients, is receiving the NWT Fire Service Merit and they must be recognized as people who give their time to a worthy cause to the people of their communities. Thank you to all of them for serving as firefighters.
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2-17(1): RCMP Constable Kirk Hughes – Fire Service Merit Award Recipient
Acknowledgements
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
Oral Questions
Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Justice on the lack of RCMP officers in the 10 communities. There is a list I have of all the small communities in the Northwest Territories. I want to ask the Minister, in his discussions with the federal Minister on other issues, did this issue come up and how can we rectify or look at some of our small communities, such as Colville Lake, to see if there’s some type of law enforcement that can be put into Colville Lake
to ensure the safety of the people is foremost and that we take this issue very seriously.
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
Oral Questions
The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Justice , Mr. Abernethy .
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
Oral Questions
Great Slave
Glen Abernethy
Minister of Justice
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was in Ottawa meeting the Minister of Justice , not the Minister responsible for the RCMP. I didn’t have that discussion with the Minister of Justice . I was talking more about Bill C-10.
We recognize that community safety and enforcement is a priority, and the Member and I have had a number of conversations and I think we’re of like minds. We want to find some way to help the small communities.
There are 10 communities that do not have policing. Of those, two have money for policing but we don’t have any infrastructure in the communities so we’re not able to permanently locate RCMP in those communities. That is some work that we have to continue on.
With respect to communities like Colville, the RCMP is looking at some alternatives to help, such as creating additional detachments. We don’t know if that’s a possibility but it’s something that we’re always looking at. Increasing relief unit capacity. Increasing the number and length of patrols to the community so that we have people in the communities more often. Adding RCMP community officers who would act as a liaison between the RCMP and the community.
These are things that we’re looking at, but most importantly – and following up on conversations I’ve had with my colleague – we need to get into some of these communities and talk to the people in the communities about what they think is going to work best for them and see if we can come up with some community solutions. I’m looking forward to doing that with the Member after Christmas sometime. Thank you.
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
Oral Questions
Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform the House and inform the people in Colville Lake when there’s an issue in our communities without an RCMP member? For example, if there’s an issue in Colville Lake, is there a protocol that the members in Colville Lake can take to establish that, yes, this issue will be taken very seriously and they will see a member in that community as soon as possible? Because it makes it very difficult for the people to know if the issue is taken seriously or not by the local detachment.
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
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Great Slave
Glen Abernethy
Minister of Justice
I assure the Member that all issues in all the communities are taken seriously. I don’t know of any specific protocol, but I’ll certainly talk to my department and if there is a specific protocol, I will be sharing that with the Member.
I would say that when issues occur in the communities, it’s critical that the people in the communities contact the detachments. If they don’t have one in their community, there’s usually one associated with them. For instance, in Colville Lake it’s Fort Good Hope. If issues do occur, we need to have people call that detachment so that we can begin the process of getting somebody into the communities in as short a period of time when there are emergencies or serious situations taking place. Thank you.
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
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Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Would the Minister come to Colville Lake and work with the people of Colville Lake on a specific type or if there’s a protocol that we can use to help the people know that their issues, when the call gets into a detachment, that it’s taken seriously and some issues that can be resolved as quickly as possible so the members know that their community, their people will be safe?
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
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Great Slave
Glen Abernethy
Minister of Justice
As I indicated before, the Member and I have been having some conversations and I’ll be going to Colville Lake, hopefully in February, with the Member to talk to the residents of Colville and the residents of the Sahtu about their issues with respect to the Department of Justice, policing being obviously one of them. At that time hopefully we’ll have an opportunity to talk about how the community sees us helping them to solve some of these problems and we’ll be there with open ears. Thank you.
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
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Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
I look forward to the Minister and I going into Colville Lake to talk about specifically this issue here.
I want to ask the Minister, there are 10 communities without RCMP officers and that’s a crying shame in the Northwest Territories in this day and age. What can this government do to ensure that somewhere down the line there will be a police station or an office, officers in Colville Lake? These numbers are…(inaudible)... It’s crazy that we have 10 communities without RCMP officers. What can this government do to make sure that this issue here gets the attention and that it gets onto some list so that we know that these communities can have RCMP officers sometime in the future?
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
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Great Slave
Glen Abernethy
Minister of Justice
As I indicated earlier, community safety and enforcement is a priority. It’s something that we’re certainly interested in. I, as the Minister of Justice , will absolutely be working with my colleagues to see if we can come up with some alternative solutions to these problems so that the people in the communities can feel a sense of security and whatnot. I look forward, once again, to meeting with the Member in the Sahtu.
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Your final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
Oral Questions
Norman Yakeleya
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has indicated that there is some initiative to look at what type of RCMP officers they could have without any communities that have RCMP members. I want to ask the Minister, in terms of the creativity that he brings or his colleagues bring, to ensure that the people in Colville Lake know when they go to sleep at night there is someone there that they can call and respond as quick as possible. I want to ask the Minister what other ideas he can bring to Colville Lake to ensure the safety there.
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
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Great Slave
Glen Abernethy
Minister of Justice
I’ve outlined previously some of the issues or some of the ideas that the RCMP are bringing forward, but for me what I’d really like to do is actually get into the community and listen to the community as to what kind of ideas they would like to see or what ideas they’d like to bring forward, what solutions they would like to see, and I’m open to anything at this point. It depends on whether it will work or not, but really I want to talk to the community and get a sense of what they think some of their own solutions would be. Thank you.
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Question 50-17(1): Lack Of Policing Services In Small Communities
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .
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Question 51-17(1): Funding For Non-Government Organizations
Oral Questions
Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on my statement and ask some questions of the Minister responsible for the Executive , also the Premier , with regard to the NGO Stabilization Fund. I mentioned in my statement that it is gratifying at this point that the funds have been awarded. The various organizations have received their funding, finally. Thank you very much. But I’d like to know if the Minister could advise me and the House why it took five months for the NGOs to receive a response and to receive notification of their awards. Thank you.
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Question 51-17(1): Funding For Non-Government Organizations
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.
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Question 51-17(1): Funding For Non-Government Organizations
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Yellowknife South
Bob McLeod
Premier
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There was an election that was held right in the middle of those five months, so it pretty well put the government out of commission for at least two months. I believe we had a protocol in place that said we weren’t going to take any actions or make any decisions unless we had it approved by all parties. That’s my understanding of the situation.
I should point out that as soon as the new government was put in place and Premier and Cabinet, I think the money rolled out within two or three weeks after we were put into office. Thank you.
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Question 51-17(1): Funding For Non-Government Organizations
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
I’m not sure if I should thank the Minister for that response or not. I have a really
hard time believing that the government does not work while an election is in progress. Ministers are in place until the new Ministers are elected, so I really have a hard time believing that between June of 2011 and even the beginning of the election period, September of 2011, that some work could not have taken place for these applications.
The Minister also mentioned that these had to be approved by all parties. I would like to ask the Minister, before people were advised of the grants and the awards from the NGO Stabilization Fund – and I presume by all parties he means Regular Members and Cabinet Ministers – when were Regular Members given an opportunity to be advised and/or to have input into these grant applications and awards? Thank you.
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Question 51-17(1): Funding For Non-Government Organizations
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Yellowknife South
Bob McLeod
Premier
I was referring to a protocol that was put in place where we had to respond to committees by the end of July of 2011 I believe it was. Thank you.
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Question 51-17(1): Funding For Non-Government Organizations
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Premier . Before we go on, colleagues, when we’re questioning, on the
preamble, the first question will be fine with it being a little longer, but on your second questions, if you could shorten up the
preamble just a bit, because it’s the second person and I’ve got 49 minutes left for oral questions. Shorten it up, please and thank you. Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will do what I can to shorten my comments. I understand the protocol that he’s referencing. This was hardly an emerging issue or an emerging program. This is something we’ve been doing for a while. I would like to ask the Minister, in retrospect, in knowing that it was five months to go from call for applications to awarding, what will the Minister do to make sure that the process is reviewed so we don’t have this happen again. Thank you.
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Yellowknife South
Bob McLeod
Premier
I think this year was an anomaly. I’m confident and we’ll make sure that in forthcoming years the money will go out a lot faster and a review will be undertaken that involves all of the departments that have social responsibilities and will process it very quickly. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .
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Wendy Bisaro
Frame Lake
Thanks to the Minister. My last question has to do with this anomaly, which is going to happen every four years. I’d like to know from the Minister, is there any opportunity to start the process earlier. This call went out in June. Why can’t we have a call going out in early May or mid-May? The funds were approved the 1
of April. Can
the Minister look at putting the call for applications out at least a month or two months earlier? Can we not get the awards done within a month or a two-month time period? Thank you.
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Yellowknife South
Bob McLeod
Premier
We will make sure that we put out the call for applications as soon as we know what the budgets are this year. For example, we won’t have our business plans and funding approved for 2012-13 until the end of June or middle of June, so we would put the call out as quickly as possible.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .
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Question 52-17(1): Inuvik Natural Gas Reserves
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Alfred Moses
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is also for the Premier of the Northwest Territories in regard to my Member’s statement that I did earlier today on the gas shortage that is happening in Inuvik and the urgency on that matter.
My first question is: Can the Minister provide me with an update on what the government has done to date since knowing of this urgent matter, whether it was from the 16
Assembly or even ongoing
talks? What has the government committed to and done since knowing of this urgent matter? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Premier , Minister McLeod.
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Question 52-17(1): Inuvik Natural Gas Reserves
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Yellowknife South
Bob McLeod
Premier
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have been meeting and getting briefings as soon as we heard of this issue. We met last week with the mayor of Inuvik. He updated us on the issue. We had a Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee meeting where we were briefed by the regional director and the Power Corporation so that we are aware of the magnitude of the problem.
We understand that we have to move fast. We have to make some decisions early in 2012, but we are still in an information gathering stage. We have to do due diligence to make sure and confirm what the problem really is. We also have some legal areas where we have contracts for the provision of natural gas for generation of power. We recognize that if we agree with the plan that is put forward, the life of the gas will extend by double, to about three and a half years. Also we are aware of some discussions with regard to Parsons Lake. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Alfred Moses
Inuvik Boot Lake
I would like to ask the Premier , after all of his briefings and all of his information sessions, will the Premier commit to supporting the residents and the businesses of Inuvik by participating in a joint effort to create an action plan to find a solution for a long-term gas supply. After the briefings and the information sessions, will he commit to that development of an action plan?
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Yellowknife South
Bob McLeod
Premier
Yes. As a government we are already engaged. We have put together a team of deputies to examine options, to look at what the
possibilities are. We will be putting forward a decision paper for Cabinet probably very early in the new year.
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Alfred Moses
Inuvik Boot Lake
Mr. Speaker, just one final question for the Premier . Once the discussion paper is finalized, will that information be available for all Members of the Legislative Assembly?
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Yellowknife South
Bob McLeod
Premier
I expect that as for our normal course of doing business we would brief committees. As well, I should point out that as we speak the Northwest Territories Power Corporation is taking steps so that we can deal with any emergency situations if they occur between now and…the decisions that we make that are required on a longer term.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Minister McLeod. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .
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Question 53-17(1): Deh Cho Bridge Toll System
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Robert Bouchard
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Transportation . He made a presentation on the Deh Cho Bridge. I am concerned with the extra costs of the toll to the public of the Northwest Territories. What is the purpose of the toll? Is it meant to be a maintenance fee? Is it meant to be a repayment fee? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Minister of Transportation , Minister Ramsay .
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The tolls were meant to pay for the bridge over the life of the bridge, being 35 years. It will be charged against trucks carrying freight north. There would be no toll on trucks going south but only coming north. That was the idea behind that toll. Thank you.
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Robert Bouchard
Hay River North
Mr. Speaker, my other concern or same type of concern is those costs being multiplied as the products such as milk is brought up by truck then added to the fuel costs by flying that product farther north. Has the department looked at the spin-off and the multiplier factor of that toll to the cost of the public of the Northwest Territories?
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
The information that I have seen would indicate that on a B-Train it would be about $250. When you break that down to a four litre jug of milk, it would be a fraction of a cent. Cumulatively, it wouldn’t amount to much, but certainly when stores don’t have to bring in their refrigeration trucks and store lots of goods for the few weeks during the spring breakup, the cost to consumers really shouldn’t be much of a factor. Thank you.
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Robert Bouchard
Hay River North
My next question is concerning the completion of the bridge. Are there
repercussions to the contractor if it is not completed by the fall of 2012?
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
We are fully intent on the project being complete in the fall of 2012. I wouldn’t speculate on it happening any other way. I think that is the intent. We are going to try to ensure that the project is complete and traffic is moving across that bridge in the fall of 2012. That is our game plan and we are going to try to stick to that. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .
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Question 54-17(1): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up on my colleague’s comments and questions on fracking yesterday with some questions for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment . I would like to recognize the controversial aspects and potentially severe impacts of fracking. We need to take proactive steps to become informed ourselves and educate our citizens towards making the right decisions. First, of course, we need the facts. Will the Minister commit to getting departmental research underway on the issues involving fracking and supplying information to committees for their review? Mahsi.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That work is currently underway. I would suspect early in the new year that will in fact take place. Thank you.
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
This Legislature needs to be informed, but our citizens also need to be prepared to participate effectively in any reviews and assessments. We need that information early on so citizens can digest and debate to be ready for public reviews. Will the Minister commit to getting information materials out to our public, perhaps in partnership with non-government organizations, presenting the variety of views that exist out there so that good debate and wise decisions can be made? Thank you.
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
The Department of ITI will be working in concert with my colleague Minister Miltenberger at ENR to develop that plan as we move forward, get the information to committee and hand it out to the public as well. The Member can look forward to us working collaboratively with Members and committee on moving this effort forward so that people are better educated about what fracking is. Thank you.
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
Thank you. I appreciate the Minister’s commitment there. I want to note that Paramount is already using fracking in the
Northwest Territories, apparently without any requirement for environmental review of this controversial technology. Further, the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board is not commenting on the use of fracking and says it falls under the jurisdiction of the National Energy Board. The National Energy Board says they can’t comment because of confidentiality agreements.
What’s going on here, Mr. Minister? Can the Minister inform the Assembly whether fracking is currently underway in the Northwest Territories, and if not, will he commit to getting back to us with this accurate information? Thank you.
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Certainly we will take the Member’s concerns seriously. Right now the regulatory process is not in the hands of the Government of the Northwest Territories; it rests with another body. After we conclude negotiations on devolution, responsibility for managing our lands, waters and resources will rest with the Government of the Northwest Territories, at which time we can take every step to ensure that we know what is happening there. I will certainly get back to the Member as to the current disposition of the episode that he is concerned with in Cameron Hills. Thank you.
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Question 54-17(1): Environmental Impacts Of Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .
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Bob Bromley
Weledeh
I do point out that this government spends tens of millions of dollars on areas that we have no mandate in. In terms of exploiting resources, I’m hoping we would do the same for protecting our citizens.
So my final question to the Minister is: How is it that fracking can happen in the NWT without going through the environmental assessment process? I think that’s a valid question for a government to be asking on behalf of its citizens. Thank you.
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David Ramsay
Kam Lake
Again, I will work with my colleague Minister Miltenberger and the Department of Environment and Natural Resources to get a response to Mr. Bromley ’s question. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .
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Question 55-17(1): Relationships With Aboriginal Governments
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Michael Nadli
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a follow-up question to my statement this morning in terms of congratulating the leaders of the various communities that were elected to local governments. I just wanted to follow up in terms of where this government might be going in trying to build a relationship with First Nations. My question is directed to the Premier , whether the Premier would more likely consider perhaps continuing on at
least the principle of our working relationship with First Nations by perhaps considering this Northern Leadership Forum that was undertaken in the last Assembly. Mahsi.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Premier , Minister McLeod.
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Yellowknife South
Bob McLeod
Premier
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are committed to reaching out to Aboriginal governments to develop a working relationship or a better working relationship, and right now we are following up to the Detah meeting and have had a number of meetings and phone calls with all of the Aboriginal government leaders. We’re also following up, trying to do bilateral meetings with each of the Aboriginal governments in order to have a follow-up meeting.
As a government we’re developing what we’re calling an Aboriginal Government Engagement Strategy and as part of that we’ll decide whether we’ll continue the Northern Leaders Forum process that was introduced in the 16
Assembly and we
expect to be making a decision on those things early in the new year. Thank you.
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Michael Nadli
Deh Cho
I’d like to thank the Premier for giving us an update in terms of where things are at in government relations with First Nations. Another major question related to this initiative is to understand that First Nations issues have figured prominently in the courts in Canada and one of them is in northern Ontario. Recently the Prime Minister had committed to First Nations that there will be a meeting with the Prime Minister and First Nations leaders sometime in January. I want to know if the Premier would be involved with that and perhaps what role the GNWT will play.
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Yellowknife South
Bob McLeod
Premier
Right now, as I understand, it’s primarily between the Prime Minister and the Assembly of First Nations and their leadership. I’m not sure exactly how the meeting will be structured. I have written to the Prime Minister in follow-up to our phone call requesting a meeting with him. I’m also planning and we’re trying to set up a phone call with Minister Duncan. I have been texting with the grand chief of the Dene Nation who has been involved in the discussions along with the grand chief of the Assembly of First Nations to see how we can work together. So we expect to be meeting with him sometime before Christmas.
So I expect that we’ll have a fairly good idea of what role we can play within the next week or so. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
The Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Question 56-17(1): Retail Pricing Of Gasoline Products
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday in my Member’s statement I talked about the cost of home heating oil, diesel and gasoline at
the pumps in the Northwest Territories. I’m going to direct my questions to the Minister of Justice , who I believe is responsible for consumer protection. I’ll just repeat a little bit from yesterday.
The Competition Bureau has commissioned studies of the relationship of crude oil prices to retail and wholesale gasoline prices. These studies have found that gasoline prices generally do track crude prices, but there can be a delay of up to two months before decreases or increases of crude oil prices are passed along to the consumers. At the same time some of these studies found that variations in crude oil prices are only one of the factors in influencing retail prices.
My question first of all is: Does this government have any role in protecting consumers for this unregulated but very essential commodity? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Premier , Minister McLeod.
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Yellowknife South
Bob McLeod
Premier
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ll direct this question to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs who has responsibility for consumer protection.
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Question 56-17(1): Retail Pricing Of Gasoline Products
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister McLeod.
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Question 56-17(1): Retail Pricing Of Gasoline Products
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department does have a consumer affairs branch. It’s a very small office right now; it’s complaint driven. As far as the Member’s question on the cost of crude, we don’t regulate the cost of fuel. If we were to do something like that, we’d obviously have to go through the legislation. It is a concern obviously amongst folks out there that constantly have to deal with it all the time.
One thing we do do as a government through I think it’s Public Works, is if they get a shipment of fuel at a cheaper price, then they adjust the fuel price of the communities that they serve and they would reap the rewards of it. Obviously if the price goes higher, then it has to be adjusted again.
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Question 56-17(1): Retail Pricing Of Gasoline Products
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
I know that the communities that are serviced by the petroleum products division do have fuel provided and the government does have these safeguards built in. I believe there’s some averaging and things to make it less onerous on the communities when the purchase of fuel has taken place at a higher price. But we regulate the cost of power in the Northwest Territories. I don’t think that home heating oil or gasoline and diesel to drive our vehicles is any less of an essential commodity, yet it seems like right now anybody can charge any price they want.
It may be somewhat controlled by competition, but I think that once you get into the North, the outlets for that competition do get decreased and get smaller. So if we don’t have any control over these retail prices, would the government at least undertake to
do some study or research into this to see if the retail prices have in fact been tracking and staying with the price of crude? Thank you.
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
The Member raises a very good point and I think it’s something we should do as a government, is try and track to see if the prices have been adjusting with the price of crude oil. I can assure the Member that I will have discussions with the department and with my Cabinet colleagues to see how we would go about this. It’s something that I think we should do to try and protect our consumers out there the best we can.
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Question 56-17(1): Retail Pricing Of Gasoline Products
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River South
We are concerned about our consumers. We are concerned about the cost of living. Understandably, some things are not within our control. The price of crude oil on the world markets is not within our control. There are many other things that are not within our control.
If we could at least satisfy our constituents here in the North that they are not being gouged at the pumps and at the home heating oil trucks, if we could assure them of that because this is something that is raised to me quite regularly and I think that the question could be laid to rest by the kind of research that could fairly easily be undertaken. Even if we can’t go back and find the historical data, if we could begin to track it going forward, I would appreciate that very much.
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Question 56-17(1): Retail Pricing Of Gasoline Products
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Robert C. McLeod
Inuvik Twin Lakes
I agree with the Member that I think there is some research we need to undertake. I assure the Member that I will have discussions with the department and we’ll go about undertaking some of that research and try to track the price of fuel and gas.
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Question 56-17(1): Retail Pricing Of Gasoline Products
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .
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Question 57-17(1): Construction Of Willow Lake Access Road
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Frederick Blake Jr.
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier has promised to take action to address low employment rates in our small communities with large projects. In Aklavik the employment rate is 36 percent. That is way below the territorial average of 67 percent. There are simply more people who need work than there are jobs. We do have one project that is on our government’s red flag priority list A and that is the all-weather access road to the Willow River gravel source. When will construction begin on this project during the 17
Assembly?
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Question 57-17(1): Construction Of Willow Lake Access Road
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.
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Question 57-17(1): Construction Of Willow Lake Access Road
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Yellowknife South
Bob McLeod
Premier
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I should clarify exactly what I said. As a government we are working to have a development project in
every community. In that way we can increase employment and create more jobs in all the communities. So for Aklavik we hadn’t specifically found a project, although we had expected that the Mackenzie Valley Pipeline would fit that bill quite nicely. We have been working with the community on the access to gravel and noting that it is a community responsibility.
Over the years our Department of Transportation has worked in partnership with the Hamlet of Aklavik and the Black Mountain Road Committee to advance this 18.5 kilometre road, which I think is going to cost about $19 million. We’ve been successful in providing $250,000 over two years to the committee to develop a project description report. I think that once we get our fiscal situation and our borrowing limit finalized, I think we’ll be in a much better position to advance this important project.
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Frederick Blake Jr.
Mackenzie Delta
At this time I don’t have any further questions.
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Question 57-17(1): Construction Of Willow Lake Access Road
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .
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Question 58-17(1): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I talked about the downtown day shelter. I don’t need to go into length to highlight how important it is, but I can’t go by without stressing how important it is to many people who have nowhere else to go. My question for the Minister of Health and Social Services is such: With the closure of funding – I’ll say it that way – with no scheduled funding in the new year to continue this pilot project going forward, what is the Minister of Health and Social Services ’ plan for people who are homeless and have nowhere to go, for the reasons that I’ve already discussed earlier today?
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Question 58-17(1): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .
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Question 58-17(1): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Health and Social Services has done an evaluation on the day shelter and at this time is reviewing the possibility of extending the funding through 2012-2013. The City of Yellowknife has also committed to extending their funding. Unfortunately the third funder on the project, BHP, will not be extending funding for this particular project but spending it elsewhere.
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Question 58-17(1): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Am I correct to hear the Minister say in the House today that the downtown day shelter will be protected at least for one more year, the 2012-2013 fiscal year? Is this being said clearly today that he intends to keep those doors open?
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Question 58-17(1): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
Yes, that is the intention. The City of Yellowknife has put their money forward to extend the shelter. Health and Social Services has done a review of the service that has been provided, and once that review is done, the intention is to follow the City of Yellowknife and extend the money through 2012-2013.
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Question 58-17(1): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
I want to thank the Minister of Health and Social Services for letting us know this here today, because I’ll tell you there were a number of people who weren’t really sure what the plan was going forward. Today is the first time I’ve heard it’s actually being formally reviewed, so that’s why I was a little bit unsure whether it’s still being reviewed and would there be consequences of longer term funding options. It sounds like the Minister’s plan is to at least carry it through one year, which is great news.
In that review that the Minister referred to, is he also reviewing the type of programming offered at that particular facility? When I refer to programming, I’m looking at specific options for people, plans in the sense of helping people with work plans, whether it’s access to treatment, access to housing, access to employment options. Is that being encompassed in this particular review?
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
The intent of the shelter was to provide a warm place for people to go have coffee, socialize and so on. There is also the availability in there of some counselling pertaining to possible housing, employment and so on. The John Howard Society is actually the organization that works with the people in the day shelter in order to provide that service.
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Question 58-17(1): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . A final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .
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Question 58-17(1): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
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Robert Hawkins
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to be clear on the record here with the Minister of Health and Social Services , because in a relentless sense we cannot give up on these folks. We may be the only ones who are out there caring for them. We cannot give up. I just want to make sure that this review is focusing on options that will continue the counselling as well as offering treatment paths for people. I just want to make sure that we have a captive audience here, and that will be the mission and continued goal of the Department of Health and Social Services as they support the day shelter.
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Question 58-17(1): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
I’m hoping that the evaluation that the department would do, working with the John Howard Society, looks at continuing the things that the shelter was put there for, with access to washrooms, telephone, Internet and so on, and also some counselling to the individuals who are accessing the shelter, to try and improve their lives.
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Question 58-17(1): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .
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Question 59-17(1): Diabetes Prevention And Management Programs
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Daryl Dolynny
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today the Minister of Health gave us a glowing review on the state of the union of the Department of Health and Social Services. Glowing in a sense that I’m also wondering why we had so many election questions, during our walks, with our constituents in terms of their health and sustainability. That said, I want to point out one
section of what was said today in the Minister’s address, “We’re working at better ways to manage chronic diseases like diabetes by giving patients the proper support at the community level and the tools they need to manage their illness.” It was only less than six months ago that the Auditor General’s report gave a rather scathing review on the program development and program support for many disease conditions, one of them being diabetes. My question for the Minister of Health is: Has progress been made since that Auditor General’s report?
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Question 59-17(1): Diabetes Prevention And Management Programs
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The Speaker
Jackie Jacobson
Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .
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Question 59-17(1): Diabetes Prevention And Management Programs
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
The Department of Health and Social Services funds the health and social services authorities across the North and they deliver the chronic diseases programing, including diabetes. Right now the department is piloting a Chronic Disease Prevention and Management Program in a few of the communities across the North with the intention of improving the situation for people with chronic diseases.
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Question 59-17(1): Diabetes Prevention And Management Programs
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Daryl Dolynny
Range Lake
Thank you for the overview. My question for the Minister will be: Are all communities receiving support in diabetes moving forward?
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Question 59-17(1): Diabetes Prevention And Management Programs
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Tom Beaulieu
Tu Nedhe
Like I indicated, running through the local health authorities across the North – and we have all the communities in one of the health authorities across the North – and right now the Diabetes Pilot Program and management of chronic diseases, the outcome to hopefully have better long-term results in diabetes prevention is being piloted in Norman Wells, Yellowknife and Behchoko.
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