Debates of March 8th, 2005

This is page numbers 1857 - 1898 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Official Languages

International Women's Week

Canadian Women's March 2005 Coalition

Nahanni Butte Access Road

Recognition Of Wise Women

NWT Mental Health Act

The Northern Strategy

Recognition Of Jeannette Mandeville

Federal Appointments To NWT Boards

Reducing The Role Of The Federal Government

International Women's Week

School Truancy

Enforcement Of Education Act

Centralized Services For Seniors

Enrollment Levels For Social Work Programs

New Courthouse

Mental Health Resources

Affirmative Action Policy

Future Of Territorial Court System

Federal Economic Development Funding

Role Of Elders In Government

Written Question 80-15(3): Government Action To Address School Concerns

Item 8: Returns To Written Questions

Return To Written Question 73-15(3): Hiring Of Teachers

Bill 21:

An Act To Amend The Public Service Act

Tabled Document 121-15(3): Number Of New Teachers Hired From 2001 To 2005

Performance Audit Of The Workers' Compensation Board

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation To Reprofile The Ministry Of Aboriginal Affairs And The Intergovernmental Relations And Strategic Planning Division

Recommendation Re: Communication With The Panels On Equalization And Fiscal Imbalance

Recommendation Re: Negotiations On The Northern Strategy

Recommendation To Review The Western Arctic Leadership Program

Recommendation To Consider Options For Regional Coordination

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minster of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 106-15(3): Official Languages

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Many times in this House we have discussed the importance of languages to all northerners. The diversity of official languages recognized in the Northwest Territories makes us unique in Canada.

During March we celebrate the value and importance of languages to our northern life. March is:

• Aboriginal Languages Month

• March 6th to 20th Les Rendez-vous de la Francophonie celebrates Francophone culture

• March 20th is International Francophonie Day

The Government of the Northwest Territories is committed to the support of all our official languages and this is an opportune time to profile some recent activities in this area:

• The Official Languages Board and the Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Board have been established and the second meeting of both boards is currently taking place.

• The first annual report on official languages was released in October 2004.

• In August of 2004, the aboriginal languages and culture-based education directive was issued to education authorities across the NWT. This directive clarifies the ways that aboriginal language funding may be used in schools.

• To support children's development of their aboriginal language, 18 language nest programs have been funded.

• Dene Kede curriculum for Grade 9 classrooms has been completed and will be made available to NWT classrooms this month.

• French first language schooling offered through the Commission Scolaire Francophone de Division has been expanded this year to include Grade 10 at Ecole Alain St. Cyr.

• The aboriginal interpreter-translator certification standards for testing in Chipewyan have been completed and the first exams should be administered by this summer.

• The aboriginal language communities are completing 47 projects ranging from on-the-land camps to producing a documentary film on elders' history.

• Through Literacy Strategy funding, the aboriginal language communities are completing approximately 28 projects ranging from terminology development to teaching literacy to young mothers.

Mr. Speaker, the GNWT is committed to supporting all the official languages of the Northwest Territories. The involvement of each of the language communities working in concert and collaboration with the GNWT is essential if we are to protect, maintain and hopefully revitalize language usage. Over the past few years, the renewed emphasis on partnership and collaboration has strengthened our efforts and established a solid path for us to follow in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 106-15(3): Official Languages

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member responsible for the Status of Women, Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 107-15(3): International Women's Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Strong, dynamic women have contributed to the sustained development and progress of the North. From March 6 to 12, 2005, we celebrate International Women's Week to recognize the contribution women have made to our society. Today has been designated a special day to honour their contributions.

With the national theme "You are Here - Women, Canada and the World," I want to acknowledge women who have helped shape the North through their wisdom and actions, both big and small. Northern women improve our world everyday, by making a difference in the workplace, representing the public in elected assemblies, nurturing their families or simply by making healthy choices and being strong role models for their families and communities. Women constantly exercise their power in positive and meaningful ways.

During International Women's Week, we will be celebrating the contribution of women in communities across the North. Today the Status of Women's Council of the Northwest Territories held its annual bread and roses luncheon in Yellowknife in the Great Hall of the Legislative Assembly to present the Wise Women Awards. I encourage northerners to participate in events across the NWT that celebrate women and their achievements.

Let us all celebrate the progress that women have made this week and reflect on how we can remove barriers to ensure that women are equal, respected members of NWT society.

As Minister responsible for the Status of Women, I salute the contribution of women to the healthy progress of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 107-15(3): International Women's Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Canadian Women's March 2005 Coalition

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in honour of International Women's Day, I would like to take this opportunity to speak about the Canadian Women's March 2005 Coalition. This is a group made up of 10 national women's and social justice groups committed to the elimination of poverty and violence in Canada and making the links between local and global actions.

Mr. Speaker, they are launching their international campaign today on International Women's Day and it will go on to October 17, 2005, which is the International Day for the Elimination of Poverty. In particular, Mr. Speaker, the coalition is pushing the federal government to meet 13 demands which were first announced back in 2000. There will be events held around the world and Canada including one that will be held in Yellowknife on May 2nd. Mr. Speaker, the 13 demands, for the record, are as follows:

Restore federal funding to health care and enforce the rules against privatization of our health care system;

Keep the promise to spend an additional $1.5 billion over five years for affordable housing and build 25,000 new affordable housing units every year for the next five years;

Implement a publicly funded and publicly accountable not-for-profit national childcare system;

Increase old age security payments to provide older women with a decent standard of living;

Use the surplus from the employment insurance plan to increase benefits, provide longer payment periods and improve access, as well as improve maternity and family benefits;

Support women's organizations for equality and democracy;

Fund consultations with a wide range of women's equality seeking organizations prior to all legislative reform of relevance to women's security and equality rights beginning with the Criminal Code and ensure access for women from marginalized communities;

Implement a progressive immigration reform;

Contribute to the elimination of poverty around the world;

Adopt national standards which guarantee the right to welfare for everyone in need and ban warfare;

Recognize the value of exclusion of women with disabilities from economic, political and social life and take the first step of ensuring and funding full access for women with disabilities to all consultations on relevant issues;

Establish a post-secondary education transfer and increase funds to a national system of grants;

Immediately introduce and adopt proactive pay equity legislation based on the federal Pay Equity Task Force recommendations.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Nahanni Butte Access Road

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the road to getting a gym built in Nahanni Butte is hard to navigate, rocky and uncertain, literally. But today, I would like to speak to you about getting to Nahanni Butte and the completion of the access road.

Mr. Speaker, the Nahanni Butte access road has been discussed in this House for 10 years, ever since 1996. In 2003-04, the Department of Transportation report on public access roads said that these roads formed an important part of our highway system. Improvement to these roads would increase safety and decrease highway maintenance costs by reducing the blading, grade repairs, granular and dust control requirements.

Furthermore, the Governance and Economic Development committee, in their review of the 2003-2004 Main Estimates, urged the department to complete the public access road projects and devote any additional funding the department receives to get this done.

Well, here we are in 2005, Mr. Speaker. The Nahanni Butte access road is still incomplete. Although the Department of Transportation has scheduled the access road to be partially constructed up to 2007-08, the bulk of the funding to complete it lies in that black hole called future years. Now that we have the tax money, let's strike while the iron is hot and get this road finished. While we are building it, let's throw in an innovative training program that will train some people in Nahanni Butte to be heavy equipment operators, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, while this government accelerates this program and gets this road built by 2008, some far off distance and uncertain future is not good enough. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Nahanni Butte Access Road

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Recognition Of Wise Women

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, March 8th, today, is International Women's Day. Traditionally, International Women's Day is a time to reflect on progress made in the areas of women's political and social rights, a time to call for change and a time to celebrate acts of courage and determination of ordinary women who play an extraordinary role in creating strong and healthy communities.

The national theme for this year's event is, "You are Here - Women, Canada and the World." The national theme urges us to pause and take stock of exactly where women are as a group today. There have been substantial advances for women in civil rights in the ninety-some years, since Women's Day became an international event, two notable dates for women's civil rights in Canadian history are 1920, when Ottawa extended the right to vote to certain Canadian women over 21, but not aboriginal women. Aboriginal women had to wait until 1960 for the right to vote when the Canadian Bill of Rights received Royal Assent.

Today, there are still nations where women have yet the right to participate politically.

Yesterday, in Kuwait, hundreds of women protested in the streets demanding their right to vote and run for parliament. Civil rights are important, Mr. Speaker, but they do not guarantee that conditions for women will improve. Although women in the NWT have equal rights to participate politically, the extension of a right does little to provide equal access. Right here in this Assembly, Mr. Speaker, there are only two women and there are no women in Cabinet.

Mr. Speaker, the national theme, "You are Here - Women, Canada and the World" also speaks to the grassroots character of the work that is done to improve the status of women. Real change is never handed down. Real change begins with the effort women put into improving conditions for women right here in our own communities.

In honour of National Women's Day, I want to recognize the extraordinary efforts of women who take up grassroots leadership roles. These are the women who are leaders in the frontline jobs traditionally occupied by women, such as nursing, teaching, counselling and parenting. But these are also women who choose to enter fields that have been traditionally dominated by men, such as trades and politics.

So, Mr. Speaker, today, I would like to extend a heartfelt congratulations to the women who were recognized as the wise women in the Northwest Territories. Their names are Ruth Wright, Tonya Cazon, Helen Tobie, Alphonsine McNeely, and Sister Agnes Sutherland. Congratulations to these strong, wise women. Thank you.

---Applause

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Recognition Of Wise Women

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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NWT Mental Health Act

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to talk about mental health and mental illnesses, Mr. Speaker. In our modern society, mental illnesses and disabilities are viewed a lot differently today than they were even a few decades ago. We see this in many different ways, Mr. Speaker, in our own homes, in our hospitals and community care centres, in courts and legislatures. We are dealing with this terrible affliction more progressively and compassionately. There is, through the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and Human Rights Acts, a much greater emphasis on the individual's autonomy.

The NWT's Mental Health Act, Mr. Speaker, was first developed in 1988 and has since been amended in some ways over the last 17 years. Mr. Speaker, the Mental Health Act is a powerful piece of legislation because it can take away from an individual their right to have control over their own lives. It also puts a great onus on those medical and legal professionals, Mr. Speaker, who may be compelled to do this in some circumstances.

Mr. Speaker, our Mental Health Act is quite out of date with a lot of the more modern thinking and approaches to how we should be treating the occurrence of mental illness and disability as legislators. There is, of course, the ever present influence of alcohol, but another shift in the way we need to be looking at this is a disturbing increase in the availability and the impact of street drugs. These are things that are in the medical and the court system now that just weren't there even a few years ago. I know, for the professionals who have to deal with this, it often raises questions for them.

Do they have to deal with the situation in a medical sense, or is it perhaps a police or social issue? This is why, Mr. Speaker, I believe our Mental Health Act needs to be revised. I will be asking the Minister later on today what plans we have for addressing this.

---Applause

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NWT Mental Health Act

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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The Northern Strategy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to use my Member's statement today to address the proposed Northern Strategy. I am very happy that the federal government and the governing Liberal Party who have been in power in Ottawa for 13 years have finally realized that there is life north of 60.

---Applause

The strategy itself is long overdue and welcomed by all who call Northern Canada home. Last week in this House, Members had an opportunity to speak to the Northern Strategy. I enjoyed listening to my colleagues on this side of the House as well as the Premier and Deputy Premier . We all share a love for the Northwest Territories. This is our home, and we represent all of the 42,000 people who live here.

---Applause

The residents of the Northwest Territories have put a tremendous amount of faith in us, as leaders, to deliver and finally get the Northwest Territories a fair and equitable deal on resource revenue sharing and devolution. Our job as Regular Members is to support and encourage our government to get a deal for us. I wanted to say that I believe the Premier is doing all he can

to get some action out of Ottawa. He needs all of our support in this effort. Our future depends on it.

The Northern Strategy is a huge opportunity to show how different the Northwest Territories is. We have to demonstrate to the rest of Canada that we are deserving of special attention.

---Applause

Our economy last year grew 21 percent, compared to the Yukon economy which was stagnant and Nunavut's economy which actually shrank. We are certainly a going economic concern. What do we need in the strategy? We need some concrete examples from the federal government that shows they understand our situation. We must address the high cost of living here.

With things like tax credits for interest paid on mortgage payments; a living, breathing resource trust fund; value-added industrial development to look at keeping some of the fuel here that is going to be leaving soon and some already does in the Norman Wells pipeline, so people can actually afford to heat their homes; other tax breaks; and, a beneficial tax regime. Lastly, Mr. Speaker, the other item missing from the strategy is an EDA, an economic development agreement with Ottawa.

---Applause

Why do we continue to be dealt only crumbs from Ottawa? The recent funding of $90 million over three years split between three territories is almost insulting. Has anyone even ever figured out how to access this money and apply for the funding? I would be surprised if anybody really knows the answers to those questions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Northern Strategy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Recognition Of Jeannette Mandeville

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Today is International Women's Day. I rise to recognize the progress and advancement of women in society, specifically in achievement by a female constituent of mine. Mr. Speaker, Ms. Jeannette Mandeville was born and raised in Deninu Kue. Although she currently lives in Hay River with her husband Roger, she still has a strong connection and attachment to the community of Deninu Kue. A well-rounded individual with an educational background on native studies and social work, she has also enjoyed being outdoors fishing and boating, just to name a few of her interests.

On February 10, 2005, during the Apprenticeship and Occupational Certification Award ceremony, Ms. Jeannette Mandeville, an employee at the Ekati diamond mine for more than four years, was recognized as a recipient of an award for her exceptional achievement and certification as a security officer at the mine. Mr. Speaker, as a woman from aboriginal descent in a non-traditional occupation, it is my pleasure to recognize and congratulate Ms. Jeannette Mandeville again for her achievement in the private sector.

Aside from the fact that she was one of the only two female recipients to receive an award, it is a big step, indeed, for herself personally and, more importantly, to the bigger picture towards addressing gender inequality.

Mr. Speaker, in our own public service, the percentage of women is only at two percent. Today being International Women's Day, it is a perfect time to celebrate the achievements made by women in society and also to reflect on the journey that women have gone through and still continue to work on for the benefit of the younger generations. All I can say, Mr. Speaker, is kudos to Jeannette for setting a fine example and paving the way for the younger generation of women in their pursuit for non-traditional occupations. It is very encouraging indeed. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Recognition Of Jeannette Mandeville

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Federal Appointments To NWT Boards

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we talk a lot in this House about the power that the federal government has over us in terms of the purse strings which they hold. However, Mr. Speaker, what we don't talk enough about is the power that the federal government has in the Northwest Territories when it comes to the appointees of federal boards and agencies.

Mr. Speaker, the members of the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board are federally appointed as are the members of the Mackenzie Valley Impact Review Board, and this is to name only a few. The Mackenzie Valley Land and Water board, for instance, has three main functions. They process land use and water use applications, issue land use and water licences and, finally, they issue directions on general policy matters concerning the use of land or water or the deposit of waste. Mr. Speaker, this means that these boards are deciding what development projects go ahead and which ones don't.

The appointees to these boards seem to have as much, if not more, power than our own elected officials. I think that these are the kinds of decisions that need to be made by the stakeholders and not by some federally-appointed body. By stakeholders, Mr. Speaker, I mean those people who have to live on the land and whose families have to live on the land and will have to suffer the consequences of the decisions they are making.

Mr. Speaker, when the federal Minister of DIAND is making appointments to a board, he or she has to think of what is good for the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, I know these boards often include people appointed on the recommendations of the First Nations and also the Government of the Northwest Territories, but it is the federal Minister who has the final say. Mr. Speaker, it is the right of the aboriginal people of the Northwest Territories to be the stewards of their own land, but they cannot do this until the power to make decisions over land development rest in their hands and in their hands only. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Reducing The Role Of The Federal Government

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past week, we have spoken many times of making history in the Northwest Territories in terms of devolution, revenue resource sharing and the Northern Strategy and becoming like a have province in the Northwest Territories. We often see, Mr. Speaker, that the federal government also plays the big role of big brother in many of the areas in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, in every aspect of our life, we are affected by government's decisions. Mr.

Speaker, we would like to know when the federal government will get out of the big brother's role and allow us, as northern people, to make the right choice for us that is good for us in the North and not have the federal government dictate as to what type of decisions or appointments that they can make to boards that will affect our lives.

Mr. Speaker, over the course of many years, we have slowly moved away from the big brother concept, from 1867 to today. However, we often wonder if the federal government is still following the policies that reflect 1867, or in 1870 when the Northwest Territories was transferred from the British to Canada.

Mr. Speaker, when will this government again take a stand with the federal government and listen to the people in the North who will be affected by the federal government's decisions such as the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board appointments? These appointments should be done in the North and for northern people who are affected greatly in these types of decisions. Thank you.

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Reducing The Role Of The Federal Government

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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International Women's Week

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With today being International Women's Day, I would like to recognize all women across the NWT for the contributions they make to their communities. Many times, some volunteers are needed. Women are the first to sign up. Without them, many programs would not be up and running. We have to recognize mothers who try to raise their children to make good choices in life; daughters who grow up too fast and are getting married; and grandmothers who, in many cases, end up raising their grandchildren and are the backbone in many families.

Women who are in the public service should also be recognized and can serve as role models for all young women. Women like Sharon Firth with her Olympic experience, and Bertha Allen, an Inuvialuit elder, both will be recipients of the Aboriginal Achievement Awards. Ruth Wright, who is a constituent of mine, was just given a Wise Woman Award today and should also be recognized. We have two Members in the Assembly, Mrs. Jane Groenewegen and Ms. Sandy Lee , who are both Members of this Assembly...

---Applause

...and represent their constituents with such passion that many in Cabinet would rather face a man that is six-foot-eight and 300 pounds.

---Laughter

Finally, Mr. Speaker, we must not forget the wives of the NWT. Many of us here have wives who must look after the home in our absence. Sometimes they must feel like they have another child with the way we act.

---Laughter

I would like to extend our appreciation to all of the women of the NWT for all that they do to make our lives better. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1861

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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School Truancy

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1861

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to focus on a serious issue that seems to be rising in our schools. It is truancy. Mr. Speaker, it takes a whole community to raise children. Unfortunately, not everyone wants to participate. Schools can only do so much. Some parents seem to leave it up to the child or teenager to take their education in their own hands. Tardiness and lack of attendance affect our children and their ability to stay focussed at school and eventually some students drop out unless there is some form of intervention.

I have spoken with staff at various schools, and the problem seems to be that the school itself is truly powerless. They don't seem to have any status or authority, if you may, to get involved and deal with the situation immediately when it arises. Even if they had the authority to get involved, they do not have the resources to do anything about this. Mr. Speaker, there is an Education Act that does allow for parents to be charged up to $500 but, as of yet, I have not heard of any parent ever being charged under this legislation.

Mr. Speaker, as soon as truancy is identified, the schools should have the authority to step in and take control before it is too late and another child is lost to the drop-out list. Mr. Speaker, these children will simply fall through the cracks and drop out which is not in the best interest of these individuals, society and definitely not in the best interest of this darn government.

Mr. Speaker, we will have an alarming number of children dropping out. Even this year, graduation rates are slowly climbing but they are still very, very low. Truancy is a serious issue. In closing, Mr. Speaker, I wish to say two important things. Truancy is a symptom and there could be a thousand reasons as to why, but we owe it to ourselves in our roles here to ask why.

Secondly, Mr. Speaker, and finally, I should say as well, under the Child and Family Services Act, we talk about physical harm, abuse and neglect; we should certainly have a

section here to deal with truancies and allow our Health and Social Services system to get out there and to ask why. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Page 1862

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1862

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said earlier in my Member's statement, truancy is becoming a serious issue in the Northwest Territories. My questions will be to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Would the Minister tell me if the Education Act that permits a parent to be charged up to $500 has ever been enforced? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1862

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1862

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not aware of any parents having been taken to court because their children were not in school.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Page 1862

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have spoken to some educators out there and they have said that when they recognize truancy and they phone these parents and there is no answer, there is nowhere for them to truly go. Why has the Department of Education, Culture and Employment never stepped in to own up to their responsibility to deal with truancy? Thank you.

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Page 1862

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. Dent .

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Page 1862

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to challenge one thing that the Member said and that is that truancy is becoming more and more of a problem. In fact in the last 10 years, the attendance at school has increased dramatically across the Northwest Territories.

---Applause

Ten years ago the attendance rate for high-school-aged children in the Northwest Territories was less than 40 percent; this year it is well over 70 percent. We are making impressive strides in getting children all across the Territories to attend school.

If the Member wants to look into it, I have been asked this question previously; I have looked all across Canada and have found that no jurisdiction is charging parents for not having their kids attend school, because it is not effective, it doesn't help. What we need to do is we need to work with kids and families to encourage them to get kids into school. If the families don't support what the kids are doing, whether you force the kids to be at school or not, it's not successful. We have to have family support for kids to be successful.

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Page 1862

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Page 1862

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate what the Minister said. On that note, what resources do we provide the schools and the district education authorities to ensure that we get these truant kids into school? Thank you.

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Page 1862

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The chairs of the divisional education councils and I have talked about attendance as one of the crucial areas that we want to increase. The education councils know that if they don't have the kids in school, they don't get the money for them; so attendance really does impact on the amount of money that is available to a divisional educational authority for schooling.

I have talked to principals who go out and knock on doors to talk to families to get the kids in school. DEAs are working out all sorts of different strategies within their communities -- whatever works for them -- to encourage kids to be at school. We have land claims organizations and community corporations that provide cash incentives to get kids to attend school, so it is a community-driven initiative across the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1862

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Page 1862

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the Minister left out one specific area. As I understand it, funding is linked to attendance in roster enrollment, but that is only checked, I believe, once a year. In a certain period, that sets the funding rate for the whole education period. That being said, what is the Minister willing to do to address the truancy issue through legislation that empowers either Health and Social Services to go in and check on what is happening with these children or allow the education system and the DEAs, as he has pointed out, to go in and knock on those doors to make sure these kids are okay? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Page 1862

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't believe we need anything further to empower anybody to follow up on things. A DEA has the authority now to ensure that kids are attending school; it could become a child protection issue if parents aren't ensuring that their kids attend school. We already have the tools to do it

from that side, but that is not going to work. That doesn't help the kid to be successful. Forcing them to be there when their parents don't support them being in school is a waste of time. We have to work with families to make sure that the families are supportive of kids being in school, so that the kids are there to learn. Thank you.

---Applause

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Page 1863

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 564-15(3): Centralized Services For Seniors

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1863

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1863

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Seniors , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the seniors' action plan was done, it was done with that kind of concept in mind, where we had a number of departments -- Education, Health and Social Services, Housing and MACA -- work to come up with a strategy for seniors.

We are anticipating being able to have some federal money to better fund those different initiatives. There is an intent to try to make it as convenient as possible. We work with the territorial Seniors' Association here, we assist them with funding, we assist them with their help line where seniors can call and get services, and help sort out any questions they may have. We have some resources in place and some processes in place to do that. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Page 1863

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister is correct; I see in the federal government budget, there is $13 million provided to create a national seniors' secretariat to serve as a focal point for collaborative efforts to address new challenges facing seniors. Would he consider a territorial secretariat for seniors, so that the seniors could look forward, within this government, to see a territorial secretariat set up for them in the regions in the Territories? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, currently I am the Minister responsible for Seniors , which gives a focal point to the issues related to seniors. We have a strong working relationship and a funding arrangement with the territorial Seniors' Association. We have in place the pieces we need. We also have a very close working relationship with all the authorities and the boards within the regions that work on mainly seniors' issues. We have processes in place to do that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask the Minister then; when would this department or when would this government roll out its plans so that Granny from Nahanni or Uncle Orville from Colville Lake...

---Laughter

...could see that they can only go to one place in the communities to have all these programs under one roof? Today we don't see it; so when can we see it? Thank you.

---Applause

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Paul Delorey

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are resources on the ground in every community that have, as one of the job responsibilities, to assist all the people, including seniors. We have members from across the Northwest Territories on the NWT Seniors' Association that I meet regularly with, as well with the boards. Also, I have very close feedback from many MLAs on issues in their jurisdictions. I believe that we have resources there. If they are not given enough profile on the ground to the services that are available to seniors, then I am definitely prepared to look at that and work with the authorities and the boards to try to remedy that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister consider having the seniors under one ministry? Of all the programs, I know that you are working with the different departments, would the Minister consider taking that to the Premier or Cabinet to consider having one Ministry just for seniors, that cover all the programs so there is effective, efficient coordination there for our elderly people in the communities? Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the last Assembly that was an issue that was raised as well, and there was work done to look at whether that would be practical. Given the fact that there are a significant number of health programs, for example, that pertain specifically to seniors, and at the same time there are another number of related issues that are often covered off through MACA or Education, what is being done, Mr.

Speaker, is that when we look at consolidating the income support and subsidy programs, which includes all the programs outside of health that benefit seniors with fuel subsidies and such, we are looking at consolidating those, as the Member knows, under one roof. As well, the health programs will continue to be administered through Health and Social Services. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1864

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today is International Women's Day, but this week is Social Workers' Week. Earlier this week the Minister of Health and Social Services made a statement in praise of the work that social workers do. This is also the first academic year where there were not enough students enrolling in the Social Workers' Program at Aurora College. I have asked questions in this House about what the government is doing to see that that does not happen again.

Surely, I think that we do need to produce our own social workers and if there are not enough people going in, then the government has an onus to look into that. I wanted to know if the Minister and the Minister of Education, and the government as a whole, have done any kind of review to get some real answers to what happened. Thank you.

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Page 1864

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the Member raised the issue during the review of the budget of Health and Social Services, I indicated that I would be talking later that night with the president of the Social Workers' Association, which I did do. We had a fairly lengthy discussion. One of the topics of concern was what is happening in the college; the need to do a better job in marketing the college program and what other things should we be doing as a department to better support the social work profession.

I have since had meetings with the deputy to pass on some of the concerns, and the fact that there is a willingness and interest for us work collaboratively with the Social Workers' Association. I have also had discussions with the president of the college to talk about -- and he raised the issue as well -- we have to put our heads together to come to grips with how we better market this issue.

I also just met yesterday with the social work managers/child protection managers that were in town from across the Northwest Territories. One of the issues that I put on the table to them was I asked for their advise and feedback on what they thought we could do to better support the profession of social work so that in fact we could encourage people to join this very honourable profession and have more students signing up at the college. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am still not getting the answer as to, Mr. Speaker, whether the Minister and government are interested in doing a review of the program at Aurora College. I can see that he is talking to various players, but I am not hearing that there will be any kind of formal process to really get to the bottom of what is going on. I believe, Mr. Speaker, that you can't solve the problem unless you know what the problem is. I am not getting the indication that the government has a clear idea of what has happened. Can I get more solid information from him as to exactly how he envisions that he is going to improve this situation by fall? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was following up on this issue because it is an important issue and not just for the sake of a conversation with a bunch of people that I know are good conversationalists. This is a serious issue. I have laid out a fairly extensive list of contacts. The president of the Social Workers' Association is also the chairman of the department for the social services program has already had meetings with the college administration to try to look at what issues are there that may be prohibiting or impeding the success of this program at the college level.

I have talked to the president of the Social Workers' Society, plus I have talked to the president of the college. I have had discussions with the deputy minister about our need to pay attention to this; to look at it with the same kind of attention that we paid to nurses and doctors and allied health professionals, when recruitment and retention was an issue.

We are going to bring the lessons we learned there and the planning we learned there to bear on this particular issue as well. So there is a lot of work underway. Whether that is formal or enough or not for the Member, I am not sure, but it constitutes a lot of action and activity already underway by many people. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I still think, far be it from me to call for a study, but this is a real problem. I would like to see the government do something solid and concrete by this fall; way before that so that the college and we are ready to get more students in. I would like to see the Minister do more than just having meetings with the stakeholders; not that there is anything wrong with that. Could I get the Minister to commit to reporting the results of all of his conversations and consultations to us by the June session, so that we can take

part in it as well? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since the Member was encouraging or saying that I have to be Minister to conclude all the studies I already have underway, I could probably squeeze in one more.

---Laughter

But the reality is, Mr. Speaker, this doesn't require a study. This requires a plan of action and, yes, I would be happy to report back in June. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the things that the people in this profession are saying is safer working conditions and probably a better compensation package. It doesn't help that the government writes job descriptions in a way that seems to attract southern educated social workers, eliminating the chance for people up here to get a job. Will the Minister look into that as well, while he is studying -- yes, another study -- with a deadline, though, for June? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is currently a collective bargaining process underway that includes the social workers, and the issue of compensation will be dealt with directly through that process. If there are classification issues, then there are processes to look at that as well. Very clearly, we are interested in having a profession that is attractive, that has a good package of compensation and enumeration and we are going to look at all aspects, the same as we did for the allied health professionals, to make sure that we are competitive and that we have our classes filled with northern students that are going to become social workers tomorrow. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1865

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Than you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Justice , with respect to the courthouse that is being planned. I understand that this initiative was being brought forward by this government. Constituents of my riding are concerned; they want to know why we need to spend so much on such infrastructure. They want to know why we are building another courthouse in Yellowknife when we already have one there, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the years, the courthouse has become too small for the number of cases that are held in it. Right now, in the last year, we have had rented space outside the courthouse for a large civil case: the Giant Mine trial. With that one, we spent over $355,000. Just since Christmas, we've had to rent space in one of the local hotels for courts and we will again this year. We know about another large trial that's coming up later this spring that we're going to have to rent space outside the courthouse.

What's happened is that the growth in the number of cases that are being heard in Yellowknife has meant that we can't house them all in the space that's available. That's one of the biggest problems, and the other problem is security. The security issues that surround the courts right now can't be dealt with. So we have a choice: either rent more space or build space. Since it seems to make more sense for us to pay ourselves rather than paying a landlord, so the government has decided to propose the building of a courthouse.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I understand a little bit about the reasoning behind that and perhaps the Minister can tell me what is the estimated cost of this new courthouse. Is this like a Class 'D' estimate and how old is this estimate for the new courthouse, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The estimate that we have was provided by Public Works and Services. It is a Class 'D', so an initial estimate, and it was prepared by Public Works and Services within the last few months, just since fall. Right now they have estimated the cost to be about $41 million.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I understand that some of the expenditures that they're

looking for in 2005-06 is to do a full engineering study and the budgeted amount is around $41 million. I'm just wondering, at what point will the government put the brakes on this project if it exceeds the $41 million bill?

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government has decided to initiate this project by going to a full set of plans and then going out to tender. So before we break ground we'll know the full cost of the project. This isn't going to be handled through a construction management process where the costs could escalate after the construction has started. It is our intention to make sure that we know the costs before proceeding with it. All of the amounts that will be spent on the building will have to be voted by this Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. That's what I'm looking for. I just want the government to assure us that they're not going to run into a situation where they get half a building done for $40 million and then are going to ask for another $40 million to complete it. That's been our history and I'd like to know what the government is going to do for this project that's going to prevent that.

---Applause

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said, where we've seen significant changes in project costs have been through the construction management process and this government is not prepared to undertake that process for this building. We are going to get the full set of plans done and then go out to public tender. Once we have the results in, we will award the contract. That way you know what the cost of the building is going to be. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Page 1866

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this afternoon are for the Minister of Health and Social Services in the area of our Mental Health Act and its modernization and the services that we provide. Mr. Speaker, it's my understanding, if I have the statistics right here, that about 50 percent of all visits to doctors are because of mental health related illnesses or problems that people are having. My question is does the NWT have enough capacity and trained workers and professionals to deal with the caseload of mental illness now before us? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, like every problem area that we do have, there are more problems than there are resources. The people who are on hand to do the work are coping. We do have funding available for another psychiatrist, but have yet to be successful in recruiting. Are there problems that could be better served? Probably, but we have a significant number of resources on the ground, in the communities, mental health workers, community wellness workers, in addition to the nurses and doctors and psychiatrists here, and some psychologists and counsellors. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, in my statement I was talking about the changes in legislation that have come about as compelled by what's going on out there on the streets and especially in the area of recognition of human rights and other new laws that are entrenching the rights and freedoms of the individual. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister, how serious is the gap in our legislation regarding current laws on mental illness? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, as the Member indicated in his statement, this piece of legislation is about 17 years old. It does have gaps. It's not on the legislative agenda for this Assembly at this point, but it is a piece of legislation that is on our list, but we have other more pressing ones like the Pharmacy Act and the Public Health Act, which are very, very old. Generations old. They're seriously out of date and we're working on them. As well as the Personal Directives Act, the Tobacco Act that is coming forward, and there's a piece from the child and family services as well that's coming forward, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In a meeting that I had with some mental health professionals a few weeks ago, it became apparent that there are some aspects at least of this that could very well serve not only those people suffering from mental illness, but the professionals who have to grapple with trying to make the right decisions using our legislation as their platform. Would the Minister consider at least a preliminary investigation into what might be done to address some of

these more pressing human rights aspects of our law? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'll commit to investigate the Member's concerns. I've seen some of the documentation he's pulled together, keeping in mind that we have a capacity issue in terms of how much legislation we're able to do in a given period of time. But I will commit to look at that. Thank you.

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Page 1867

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I'm wondering if the Minister would perhaps even broaden that to include the whole of the Mental Health Act. It is a sizable piece of legislation and given that some...I know there are many of these larger pieces of work that really are carried over from one term to another, they will take more than the years that we have left in this Assembly. Would the Minister take a serious look at investigating and modernizing the whole Mental Health Act? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, very clearly we have an intent to modernize and redo the Mental Health Act, it's just that it's not on the top five or six pieces of legislation that we have on our agenda that we have left in the life of this Assembly. Very clearly, it's one of about 26 pieces of legislation that we have that is out of date and needs to be fixed. At this point, a decision was made where I looked at the pressing priorities to focus on two major pieces, which are the Pharmacy Act and the Public Health Act, in addition to the tobacco and the other personal directives one. We're not arguing that it needs to be done; it's just a question of capacity, timing and sequencing. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Question 568-15(3): Affirmative Action Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1867

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the FMBS, the Honourable Floyd Roland , with regard to the affirmative action policy that the new human resource amalgamation is planning on eliminating, I guess, out of the new human resource plan. I just wanted to ask the Minister a question about the establishment of the Affirmative Action Advisory Committee when the affirmative action policy was put into place in the early '90s. I just want to ask the Minister, if this committee still exists, what input into this new human resource organization is this Affirmative Action Advisory Committee going to have? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . The honourable Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board Secretariat, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the affirmative action policy will not be eliminated. What we are doing is looking at its structure and incorporating it into the new organization and how we would carry on business as the Government of the Northwest Territories. Just to be clear and on the record, affirmative action is still an issue that we're dealing with and looking at how we can carry it forward. If it has the same title or a different title, that's something to be decided.

On the committee the Member spoke about, that has not been in operation for quite some time, so the work we're doing is going to be from in-house and then going to Members initially. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess just with respect to the committee that hasn't been in operation for some time, I guess, that could be one of the reasons leading up to the demise of the whole affirmative action policy in the government. I think it's because this committee hasn't been established, it hasn't had any input, it hasn't had any feedback, and it was set up as a monitoring system for the affirmative action policy and that hasn't happened and it hasn't panned out to what people have expected it to pan out to be.

I guess the new name the Minister was referring to with the new affirmative action policy and the new human resource amalgamation would be to something along the lines of a succession planning program, which, to me, is the same as the MAP that this government has and is currently lacking in a lot of indigenous aboriginals that are participating in that program; one in nine employees to be precise, Mr. Speaker. I just want to ask the Minister if the affirmative action policy wasn't part of the criteria for the MAP and that education is paramount in anybody advancing in the government in their employment status.

That I agree with to some degree, but how much weight can somebody put on their experience in government? Some people have 20 years and they've trained people for three years...

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

...and the MAP, one of the criteria is that you...

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

I just want to ask the Minister what reassurances can he give aboriginal government employees that their experience, and in some cases lack of education, is not going to be the only determining factor in their advancement in management positions? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we should be clear again that the affirmative action policy is not dead. This government is still committed to it. It is still part of our hiring practices. The specific area of succession planning and so on, they are pieces of what we're going to put together and improve on as the Government of the Northwest Territories through our corporate human resource service centres. With the ability, once we have the staff together, working together and having the support of their colleagues, and with the same

interpretation of the rules that we operate by, we will be able to improve on the way we deliver human resource services to our employees.

On the specifics of the MAP program, there is some concern there. We're working to try to improve that area. Initially people can nominate themselves, put themselves forward for it, and it can be from all sectors, from communities, regions, headquarters staff. As well, they can be nominated by someone else from within the government and put their name forward. Once their names are in, they go through a process and an assessment. That assessment goes on your ability to get the job done. So whether it's a formal education or an informal education, your experience all comes into play. It's an assessment of where you are in your work history. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Short supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess with the MAP program, the lack of aboriginal participation in that program, I know that people are nominated and they can nominate themselves, but a lot of people are putting forward their names, but they're just not getting fair consideration, as far as they're concerned, Mr. Speaker. On a few occasions people have applied twice. I notice they're on the second round of the program implementation, and still they're being turned down. These people are long-term government employees with lots of experience.

They know in their own mind they can do the management position duties and responsibilities that are asked of them, but the people who are doing the assessment on them are the same people who aren't really big advocates of this whole affirmative action policy, Mr. Speaker. So you're kind of caught between a rock and hard place because human resources is the judge, jury and executioner...

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What is your question? Do you have a question, Mr. Villeneuve ?

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

I want to ask the Minister, when people are applying for this MAP, how can he be sure that they are going to get a fair assessment and a fair hearing and a fair interview with the people that are carrying out the program? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd have to take exception with the Member stating that we have employees out there who are not committed to the policies that we have in place. If there are examples of that, if there's proof of that besides accusations of employees not following the rules, then definitely bring them forward to me and I will work to address them. We have a policy in place. We need to follow those policies. We know there are some problems with the one management program that we have in place.

In fact, we're trying to, as we go forward, incorporate it into the work around affirmative action and see how we can in fact bring people up from the communities and regions. Right now it's sort of targeted towards headquarters. People from the regions can apply, but one of their considerations is they'd have to move to headquarters. So we're looking to try to expand it so that there's a regional component of that. Once they move up in that system and move up in their ability to get that job done then they can move on to the next stage. There are bits and pieces.

We understand there's a problem; we recognize that and we're going to work to change and fix that. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Short supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for acknowledging that they do recognize that there is a problem with that policy and there's a problem with implementation of the policy and that's been happening for the last 10 years that this policy has been in place. I guess I just wanted to -- going back to the people in the MAP-- this MAP is a Management Assignment Program and management in this government...

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Mr. Villeneuve , do you have a final question?

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

...people in management positions. With this upcoming MAP, one...

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

How is this MAP supposed to improve the aboriginal representation in management when there are no aboriginals in it?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Management Assignment Program that's in place, or MAP as we call it, was developed to try to move from within the existing workforce of the Government of the Northwest Territories; people who would have the ability to move up and take on the higher level positions and hopefully, with a succession plan, a person can come all the way up and take over a deputy minister position. That's sort of the long term of things. When it was put in place, it was again there for everybody in the Government of the Northwest Territories. It wasn't specifically designed

for aboriginal people. It was for the whole of the government workforce. It's something that's been there. We recognize that we've got a problem when you look at the numbers, the statistics at headquarters and the managerial positions. We recognize that's an area and we're going to have to work on improving that. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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