Debates of Feb. 22nd, 1995

This is page numbers 227 - 260 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was ---agreed .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers Absent From The House

Bhp Environmental Assessment And Review And Slave Geological Province Regional Study

Birthing Centre For Taloyoak

Reason For Absence From Nic Meeting In Iqaluit

Vulnerability Of NWT In Negotiations Regarding Quebec

Baden-powell Week

Administration Of Proposed Gun Control Legislation

Importance Of Freedom Of Language In Justice System

Tribute To Paul Andrew And Focus North

Incident At Women's Federal Penitentiary In Kingston

Member's Statement Announcing Birth Of Custom Adopted Child

Search For Moses Anautalik

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Status Of Study On Alternatives To Fund Education

Participants In Review Of Maca Reorganization

Status Of Resources For Earp

Funding For Non-resident Students

Policy On Use Of Aboriginal Languages In Court

Export Of Bison South For Auction

Birthing Centre For Taloyoak

Constitutional Status Of GNWT

Slave Province Regional Study Group

Status Of Staff Housing Available For Purchase

Funding Provided To Students At Lester B Pearson College

Acting Premier

Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates

Impact Of Federal Gun Control Legislation

Bill 16:

An Act To Amend The Retirement Plan Beneficiaries Act

Bill 17:

An Act To Amend The Nursing Profession Act

Appointments To Standing Committees

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Petroleum Products Tax Act

Bill 14: Miscellaneous Statutes Amending Act, 1994

Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order

Bill 9:

An Act To Amend The Legal Profession Act

Bill 8:

An Act To Amend The Dental Mechanics Act

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 11:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Bill 10:

An Act To Amend The Liquor Act

Bill 12:

An Act To Amend The Judicature Act, No. 2

Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Limitation Of Actions Act

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Pollard .

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Minister's Statement 20-12(7): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Premier and the Honourable John Todd will be absent from the House today to attend the Nunavut conference in Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 20-12(7): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Minister's Statement 21-12(7): Bhp Environmental Assessment And Review And Slave Geological Province Regional Study

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, most people in the NWT and outside the NWT have followed with interest the various announcements about the valuable mineral deposits that have been identified in the area geologists refer to as the "Slave geological province." Generally there is consensus that some of the exploration activities will result in mines in the near future. The most likely is BHP's diamond exploration activity in the Lac de Gras area.

The potential for mines in this area has raised many questions about the impact of development of wildlife, water quality and traditional activities. There have also been many questions about the economic opportunity development could bring to the north. Mr. Speaker, I want to assure this House that through the Department of Renewable Resources, this government is carefully monitoring the impact of this exploration activity on the environment. We are working closely with other government departments, DIAND, aboriginal groups and industry.

Mr. Speaker, over the past three months, two major initiatives have been announced that are directed at responding to environmental concerns. In December, the federal government announced the appointment of a four-member environmental assessment panel to review BHP's diamond mine project in the Lac de Gras area. At the same time the panel was announced, I and the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development announced a major regional study of the environmental, social and economic issues related to mineral development in the Slave geological province. The partners involved in this study include government, industry, aboriginal groups and environmental groups.

I would like to take this opportunity to update my colleagues on both these initiatives. Mr. Speaker, the BHP diamond mine project is being reviewed under federal environmental assessment legislation. My department is currently coordinating GNWT participation in the review process. We are doing this through an interdepartmental working group which includes the departments of Economic Development and Tourism; Education, Culture and Employment; Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources; Health and Social Services; Justice; Safety and Public Services; and, Transportation.

This working group will be responsible for developing GNWT input throughout the environmental assessment and review process which will include written submissions and formal presentations before the federal panel.

On the second initiative, the Slave geological province regional study, my department has met with each of the partner groups. Their response to this regional study has been positive. The first workshop for the regional study will take place on February 28th, March 1st and 2nd in Yellowknife. Representatives from industry, environmental groups, aboriginal groups and government will be attending the workshop. The objectives of this workshop are to develop terms of reference and goals and objectives for the study, to define the management structure for the study and to agree on the next steps in the study process.

By working together, the concerns of all parties can be identified and addressed. This is the first step towards achieving a sustainable future for the area.

Mr. Speaker, it is our objective, in both the environmental assessment of the BHP diamond mine project and the Slave geological province regional study, to promote exploration and development of mineral resources in ways that provide lasting social and economic benefits to northerners while preserving the environment. Mr. Speaker, I will continue to update my colleagues on progress on both the BHP environmental assessment process and the regional study. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 21-12(7): Bhp Environmental Assessment And Review And Slave Geological Province Regional Study

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arngna'naaq . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Birthing Centre For Taloyoak

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Members of the 12th Assembly we've talked a lot about strengthening our communities. We have talked about community-based approaches to problems. In my region, there is a community which wants to address an important problem. In my region, when a mother is going to have a baby, she must leave the support of her family and travel to Yellowknife to have the child. Expectant mothers are sent to Yellowknife four to five weeks before the baby is due. This separation from community and family causes stress for the mother, reduces the early bonding to family and is very hard on families left behind.

Mr. Speaker, the people in Taloyoak have come up with an idea which would allow mothers to stay at home longer and be healthier during their pregnancies. Taloyoak would like to establish a birthing centre. This birthing centre would provide enhanced prenatal care which would reduce the risk of birthing complications. It would also provide an alternative for those women who decide to remain in their community for childbirth. Not only is a birthing centre good from a social perspective; it also has financial benefits. The current four to five-week stays in Yellowknife are very expensive for this government.

Although there is a cost to setting up and running the birthing centre, the total cost per mother will be much less than current arrangements.

The government has indicated that it is waiting for the results of the review of the Rankin Inlet birthing project before looking at Taloyoak. Mr. Speaker, the people of Taloyoak are ready to proceed with this centre now. I urge the Minister of Health and Social Services to work with the people of Taloyoak in making this birthing centre become a reality. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Reason For Absence From Nic Meeting In Iqaluit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make a Member's statement to tell you why I did not attend a Nunavut Implementation Commission meeting, which is being held in Iqaluit. I didn't attend that conference because there has to be a certain number of Members present to make a quorum. I feel to represent my constituents, I should stay here in Yellowknife to meet during the session. I just want to make sure that I represent my constituency properly.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Pudlat . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Vulnerability Of NWT In Negotiations Regarding Quebec

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was quite disappointed with the response of the Premier to my questions yesterday on the government's preparation for the debate that is taking place about the possible independence of Quebec. Canada is rapidly changing as we know it. Social programs inevitably will be cut. The battle for the hearts and minds of Quebecers has been engaged. We know that the civil service will be cut dramatically and there is no doubt -- and the Finance Minister has warned us -- that over the next few years, the transfer payments are in jeopardy.

So what I expect from the government is leadership. I don't expect the government strategy to come out in dribs and drabs in response to questions by Members. Presently, we are in the midst of very sensitive and fragile negotiations with the federal government on division. The aboriginal groups in the territories are in the midst of sensitive and fragile negotiations on self-government. The EARP panel is deciding the fate of diamond mining in the Northwest Territories. It is very important that the people of the Northwest Territories are kept fully informed on the drastic changes which will soon be upon us.

Quebec is one good example. If Quebec leaves, it not only affects the people of Quebec, it affects all of us here in the territories. One-third of the population of Canada live in Quebec. Will the remaining two-thirds be as willing to bankroll the north or will we be overwhelmed in the constitutional and economic chaos that will inevitably follow.

If Quebec doesn't leave -- I sincerely hope it doesn't and I don't believe it will -- there will still be drastic changes to Canada as we know it. If the federal government decentralizes -- and that is what Paul Martin is talking about; its authority in Health, Social Services and Education -- the central government becomes much weaker with less resources. We will find it more difficult to protect the north. If Quebec doesn't leave, inevitably there are going to be new constitutional discussions. Each province is looking after their own interests.

For the first time ever, the province of Ontario is not looking from a national perspective. They are looking at it from their own perspective. We could be gobbled up by the provinces.

Members will recall the intense debates in the north about whether or not provinces could move into the territories. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Vulnerability Of NWT In Negotiations Regarding Quebec

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Vulnerability Of NWT In Negotiations Regarding Quebec

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

We haven't discussed it since Charlottetown, but the reality is we are extremely vulnerable. The reason many of us worked hard for Charlottetown and the Charlottetown accord is because it did protect the Northwest Territories and the Constitution of Canada. There is nothing now that protects us. When we are carrying out these constitutional discussions here in the west, the whole concept of division across the territories, it has to be done in the context of a country which is changing so rapidly that we aren't keeping up with it.

So I expect that this government should be very proactive. This government has a responsibility to lay out, in every forum and opportunity possible to the people of the Northwest Territories, those things which are happening in the country which are going to impact us, which will make our decisions tougher and are going to take away our choices. I also think we have a responsibility to tell the powers that be, whether they are Premiers or Cabinet Ministers that, whatever happens in southern Canada, it will have a dramatic effect on us. We can't just sit on our hands in the Northwest Territories.

I have said it before in this House and I will say it again: I hope to hear from government Ministers on exactly how we are going to deal with all of this. If we don't do something, it will inevitably be death by 1,000 cuts. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Baden-powell Week

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

I don't know if I can follow that, but good afternoon, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the scouting movement originated in England back in about 1912. At that time, Lord Baden-Powell decided that there was a need for an activity for young people, particularly young men, based on honour and respect for each other and the world around them.

To meet these needs, he created the Boy Scouts. Very soon, it was very successful. Soon afterwards, young women also wanted to become part of the fun and the Girl Guides movement came into being. The organization grew and now includes Members in almost every country around the world. This week, and today in particular, members of the Guiding and Scouting movement celebrate the activities around February 22nd, which is the birthday of Lord Baden-Powell.

Mr. Speaker, not long ago, I, too, was a Boy Scout...

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Baden-powell Week

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

How long ago?

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Baden-powell Week

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Quite some time ago. I was a Boy Scout. I believe the Scouts and Guides organizations are very noble institutions. The provide good, healthy activity for young people. They are good for the character and they help these children become better citizens by the camaraderie they establish, the challenges they face and the discipline they direct themselves towards. Mr. Speaker, as I came to work this morning, I had the pleasure of saying good morning to a young Brownie -- Mr. Kakfwi 's daughter -- who was dressed in her uniform to go to school. I think Lynn Elkin-Hall has a Guide uniform on today at work. So these people are celebrating Baden-Powell day across the NWT.

We have many Beavers, Sparks, Cubs, Brownies, Scouts, Guides and even Rovers, Venturers, Pathfinders and Explorers. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the leaders who take the time to help run this very valuable program. In Yellowknife, all members of the Scout and Guide movement will celebrate on Friday with a torchlight parade from the DND building to Northern United Place, followed by singing, skits and goodies, as well as a number of groups that have created window displays on Scouts and Guides in various businesses in town. With that, Mr. Speaker, I say to all the Scouts, Guides and their leaders across the Northwest Territories, enjoy Baden-Powell week.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Zoe .

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Administration Of Proposed Gun Control Legislation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the last few days, many Members of this House have risen to talk about the problems with the proposed federal gun control legislation. This particular legislation, Mr. Speaker, is 124 pages. So it isn't a small amendment that they are making to the proposed gun control legislation.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to talk today about one of those problems which is included in the proposed legislation; that is, the administration of this particular act.

Mr. Speaker, under this act, any Canadian wanting to use a firearm will need to apply for a licence. Before a licence can be approved, there will need to be a verification process to ensure that the applicant does not break any of the rules such as those related to previous criminal convictions. There may be a payment process for licences to register a firearm. There will be a similar process of forms and payment. Certificates of registration need to be issued.

In many Canadian provinces, Mr. Speaker, people can easily travel to regional centres and it is easy for them to get to a central office to complete forms and to get to the banks to make the payments required. However, Mr. Speaker, this is not the case here in the north. Application will either have to be done by mail or there will be a need to create a bureaucracy in every community to handle licensing and registration.

There is concern among many of my constituents that, not only will there be a lot of bureaucracy associated with owning and using firearms, but there may be a need for picture identification to get the registration certificate. This will be impossible, Mr. Speaker, in many of our northern locations.

At a time, Mr. Speaker, when Canada is struggling to control and reduce the national debt, it is surprising that the federal government would create

an act like the one they are proposing. I believe there are large costs associated with creating the bureaucracy to both implement and monitor the licensing and registration provisions of the act alone. There is a provision in the act which allows the provinces to assume responsibility for the administration of the bill.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The honourable Member for North Slave is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is a provision in the act which allows the provinces to assume responsibility for the administration of the bill. If this bill is passed, Mr. Speaker, I would encourage our territorial government to ensure that the federal government provides the administration of this act in the Northwest Territories as we discover how truly costly this act will be. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Importance Of Freedom Of Language In Justice System

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What I would like to talk to you about is using our mother language. Today I would like to talk about the importance of one's culture. This government has talked a lot about the importance of languages and culture. On June 28, 1984, we passed the Official Languages Act (Translation ends) which created eight official languages, six of which are aboriginal. It is an indication of the many cultures here in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, in this day and age, there are still incidents which occur every day somewhere in the north where language barriers still exist. Mr. Speaker, one such incident has been brought to my attention and I feel it must be brought to the attention of the Legislative Assembly. This particular incident occurred when court proceedings were being held in Fort Liard. The circumstances surrounding this incident could have been a factor in this case. You see, Mr. Speaker, the court that was held in Fort Liard was held in the community airport hangar because of the lack of a community hall, and this will be the subject of another statement later.

As a result, Mr. Speaker, the facility was inadequate. Regardless of the facility, this cannot justify having an individual compromise his or her speaking the language with which they are most comfortable. Mr. Speaker, what has been most disturbing about the incident was the individual, Mr. Betsaka of Nahanni Butte, was outrightly denied his request to speak his choice of language without explanation by the presiding judge.

Mr. Speaker, the judge's decision to deny Mr. Betsaka's right to speak Slavey undermines the efforts of all who have worked toward enhancing the justice system so all can be comfortable and all have the right to procedural fairness. Mr. Speaker, this case was heard by the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories, I believe, and the presiding judge's decision to deny Mr. Betsaka's request to speak Slavey, thus denying procedural fairness, resulted in a denial of natural justice. Now a new preliminary inquiry has been ordered for Mr. Betsaka.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The honourable Member for Nahendeh is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Betsaka and all other aboriginal people who wish to speak their mother tongue in all Legislative Assembly and court proceedings must be assured that they can speak the language they are most comfortable with. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Tribute To Paul Andrew And Focus North

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I moved from the eastern Arctic to Fort Smith in 1972, Mr. Speaker, I was involved in the teacher education program. I remember looking at the list of people who were supposed to show up that fall and one of them never did, and I often wondered who he was. I met him many years later. His name was Paul Andrew. People said he would have been a wonderful person to have gone into the education system because of the kind of individual he was.

I'm now convinced, after watching Focus North for several years, Mr. Speaker, that, in fact, he probably is the best teacher in the Northwest Territories. I was fortunate enough to have watched Focus North a night ago in which Mr. Antoine , you, Mr. Speaker, and Mr. Zoe were being interviewed and I was impressed by the fact that this powerful television medium reaches so many people in their own language and that the way we learn about ourselves is probably best done through that program, Focus North. It has dealt with many, many important northern issues over the years. I have often wondered if it has been given awards for the kind of work it does.

Today, Mr. Speaker, although from time to time I have bashed the media and gotten upset -- not really upset, but annoyed -- about what goes on, I would like to pay tribute to Mr. Andrew and to the kind of work he does and particularly to Focus North for teaching us about ourselves. Thank you.

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Tribute To Paul Andrew And Focus North

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Hear, hear.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Lewis . Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Incident At Women's Federal Penitentiary In Kingston

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last night on CBC television, many Canadians saw video footage of an incident at the federal penitentiary for women in Kingston. The penitentiary holds the most violent and dangerous of women in the Canadian prison system. There have been problems of violence, fires and hostage-taking within the prison. However, none of this is an acceptable excuse for the use of the emergency response team in the prison on that April night last year.

Mr. Speaker, the disturbing pictures of naked women being surrounded and mishandled by male members of the emergency response team raises many questions. How could the warden, also a woman, have misled the public about the nature of this incident? Why did it take the release of this video before the truth came out? What types of systems do we have that consider it acceptable for men in full protective gear to need to subject women to the kind of humiliation and degradation that these women were obviously subjected to?

Mr. Speaker, this type of incident shows the worst face of our criminal justice system. While public inquiries are good, to get information to the public, this situation goes beyond this. There should be serious repercussions for both the warden and the men involved. It is also important, Mr. Speaker, that Canadians insist that we have proper policies in place in our prisons, policies which ensure that there is recognition of a difference in how emergency response teams are made up and used in women's prisons.

Mr. Speaker, in closing, I have confidence that this government will never allow this type of incident to occur in our women's correctional centre in the north. But we must, as a Legislature, call for review of the policies which govern the administration of Canadian prisons to ensure this situation is never repeated in Canada. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Member's Statement Announcing Birth Of Custom Adopted Child

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm proud and happy to announce that my wife, Susie, and I will have a first-hand opportunity to experience the custom adoption recognition procedures of our government.

On Monday, February 13th, at 6:04 am, Bradley Trenton Akalukak Akhok was delivered at the Cambridge Bay Health Centre, weighing in at 7 pounds 10 ounces. The natural parents are Susie's younger brother, William Nakashook and Rosalyn Akhok. Both Susie, our children and I are extremely happy and excited on the addition of Trenton to our family.

Although it us customary to hand out cigars to celebrate the arrival of an addition to a family, I've decided at this time not to follow this tradition for a few reasons. Firstly, I do not want to be perceived as encouraging smoking by providing free cigars. Secondly, most people given these cigars waste them by throwing them away and not smoking them. Finally, I didn't think that the tax revenue from my cigar purchases would make any significant dent on the territorial or federal coffers.

---Laughter

However, having now said this, I recognize that that decision may open me to criticism from my colleagues and friends about being frugal, or the tightness of my wallet. I have instead decided, Mr. Speaker, to write a cheque in the amount of $300 to the Canadian Cancer Society in lieu of providing cigars.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Search For Moses Anautalik

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to express my sincere sympathy, with my home community of Baker Lake, over the tragic loss of a young but capable hunter, Moses Anautalik.

Moses set forth on a short hunting trip, but when storm conditions unexpectedly arose, he became the centre of a large search coordinated by the Baker Lake Search and Rescue Committee. As is often the case in crises, this crisis brought out the best in the residents of the Keewatin. The entire community of Baker Lake participated in the search for Moses by either physically searching, preparing food and support for those searching, soliciting cash donations to cover the cost of the search, and/or by praying for Moses' safe return.

When the community was exhausted yet unwilling to give up, people began arriving from Rankin Inlet and Arviat to assist with the search. The participation of searchers from these other communities boosted the morale of all those involved. And on behalf of all Baker Lake residents, I want to say thank you to these individuals.

Also to be commended are Robert Jaynes and the staff of the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs emergency measures organization at the regional and headquarters level, the RCMP, Canadian Forces Northern Area, the GNWT's Department of Renewable Resources, the Rescue Coordination Centre of the Canadian Forces that sent a twin otter and a crew from Trenton, Ontario to assist in the search, and all those individuals who contributed financially to keep this search operational.

I would like to thank the Northern stores and the Sanavik Co-op for supplying food. I especially want to thank Nunasi Corporation which donated $30,000 to ensure that the search planes would be able to continue searching for up to an extra week after the RCMP had called off their air search.

Above all, however, it is the residents of Baker Lake who should be commended for their dedication and their willingness to search for days in the hopes of rescuing Moses.

Mr. Speaker, although this search ended tragically, it was a fine example of the kindness of people and the willingness of individuals, businesses and various levels of government to pull together in a time of crisis. This incident also highlights the need for emergency shelters on the tundra and for an official policy on funding once the RCMP have fulfilled their initial mandate. I spoke with Eric Anautalik, who is the brother of Moses, this morning and he once again expresses his appreciation to all those who were involved. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arngna'naaq . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Return To Question 81-12(7): Request For High School In Gjoa Haven

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ningark , the

honourable Member for Natilikmiot , with regard to the request for a high school in Gjoa Haven.

The Kitikmeot Divisional Board of Education plans to introduce grade 10 into Gjoa Haven in August 1995. There is space in the school to accommodate both the anticipated number of elementary students, as well as the number of students expected to attend grade 10 in August. The five-year capital plan includes construction of additional space for the school in future years.

The Kitikmeot Divisional Board of Education, together with the department, has identified the need for two staff housing units for the additional teachers needed in 1995. The Department of Personnel and the NWT Housing Corporation have identified six vacant housing units in Gjoa Haven which may be allocated to staff in the community. The Kitikmeot Divisional Board of Education and the department will work to ensure that the allocation of two housing units for teaching staff in Gjoa Haven be given priority. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Ng .

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Further Return To Question 84-12(7): Shortage Of O And M Funding For Recreational Facilities

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 232

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by the honourable Mr. Ningark on February 16th with respect to shortage of O and M funding for recreational facilities.

The operations and maintenance funding for recreational facilities is incorporated into the hamlet funding formula under the municipal operating assistance policy. This policy was implemented in 1992.

All municipalities are funded for utility costs for recreational facilities on the same basis as other public buildings. Funding for utility costs is based on an average of the last three years of actual costs.

Other operations and maintenance costs are funded under the hamlet funding formula at levels consistent with office building maintenance. In addition, salary subsidies are provided for a recreation leader and facility operator to assist communities in ensuring facilities are well utilized and properly maintained.

Several years ago, a study was done to determine if recreation funding was adequate in Coppermine and Cambridge Bay. The study revealed that the gap between costs and revenues, primarily composed of GNWT contributions, was not as large as generally believed. It is noteworthy that this study was undertaken prior to the implementation of the municipal operating assistance policy, under which funding levels were improved.

The department is willing to look at specific cases and work with communities that are experiencing financial difficulties in operating facilities, but believes the funding provided under the various programs is sufficient to operate recreational facilities if the buildings are operated effectively and efficiently. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Whitford .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 232

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and colleagues. I would like to introduce to you Enzo Spennato in the gallery, to my right. Mr. Spennato is a trained denturist and is the principal in a denturist business in my riding.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Question 130-12(7): Status Of Study On Alternatives To Fund Education

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 232

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, last fall, the Minister wrote to boards and divisional boards of education advising that the government was reviewing options for financing local government and education. The Minister advised that they would be studying alternatives to the property tax system for funding of education. I was wondering if the Minister could provide the House with an update on progress on this study.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I might refer this to the Minister of Finance who can give you a response.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Yes, Mr. Speaker, that study is under way. Enid Slack from Ontario was hired to do the particular study, and I anticipate getting some early results in September, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Zoe .

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Question 131-12(7): Participants In Review Of Maca Reorganization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 232

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Members of this House may recall that I raised a concern in November of last year regarding the recent restructuring in the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. I understand that a review of the reorganization is now taking place. My question is to the new Minister. Can the Minister tell the House who is participating in this review? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Member is questioning who the consultants are speaking to, then they're speaking to senior managers of the department, some MLAs, some Cabinet Members, some community representatives such as mayors and senior administrative officers, the Association of Municipal Administrators and other stakeholders. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Question 131-12(7): Participants In Review Of Maca Reorganization

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell us when he expects the review to be completed? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's anticipated that a draft report will be available by March 15th, at which time there will be a final review by the steering committee before it goes to Cabinet, and hopefully can be tabled in this House in early April. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary. Since this review is being undertaken, could I ask the Minister if he could provide this House with the terms of reference of this particular review? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I'll make that available to Members. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Final supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Can I also ask the Minister if he could tell us how much money is being spent on the contract with the external consultant we have hired for this review? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have that information at hand, but I will include that information along with the terms of reference for the Member. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 132-12(7): Status Of Resources For Earp

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 233

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was pleased to hear today the statement from the Minister of Renewable Resources . Mr.

Speaker, Minister Arngna'naaq said, and I quote, "it's our objective in both the environmental assessment of the BHP diamond mine project and the Slave geological province regional study, to promote exploration and development of mineral resources in ways that provide lasting social and economic benefits to northerners while preserving the environment." I could say it's a very good statement and I think it's very important that, as a government, we do promote mineral development because if we don't exploit our mineral resources, we're doomed to be a long-term welfare state, I believe.

My question to the Minister is, is the Minister aware that in the setting up of the EARP panel, there were unnecessary delays? Is the Minister satisfied that the panel has the sufficient resources to be able to carry out their work in the 18-months' time that has been allotted to them? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Under the resources that the panel will have, I believe that there are contributions being made by the federal government as well as by the Government of the Northwest Territories on support being given to the panel. I believe that the resources that they will have at their disposal will be sufficient to cover the work that they will be doing. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. I think we all agree, Mr. Speaker, that we want the panel to do a good job, to do a thorough job and to do an objective job within that time frame, because I think that time frame is long enough for them to achieve their review. My second to the question to the Minister has to do with the Slave geological province regional study. I think we all agree that that baseline data is necessary . My question to the Minister: do you think that there is enough of a distinction between these two studies, that they don't run into each other and that the Slave province study slows down the BHP diamond mine project study? Thank you.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that the work that is being done by the environmental assessment review panel and the regional study that is being done by a consortium of groups will not hinder the process which the environmental assessment review panel is working on. There may be some insights that we'll get from the regional study that will be done; however, I do not foresee that the regional study is slowing down the process of the environmental assessment review panel. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think we all acknowledge the importance of both of these studies, and I think all of us are very strongly committed that any new mine uses the most modern environmental technology possible. I would like to ask the Minister if he will give an undertaking to do whatever he can do to ensure that both these studies are done in an objective, professional way and that they're not pushed around by ideological, political reasons by either the mining industry or by the environmental groups out there across the country. Thank you.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that the panel that has been created has started work. I believe at the present time they have received the environmental impact statements and they are presently going into these scoping sessions which will identify the communities that could be affected by the project. The purpose of these scoping sessions will be to provide residents with an opportunity to learn about the project and the panel's work, and help to identify issues and receive public comments on the draft environmental impact statements or guidelines that have been created.

I believe that the individuals who have been selected for the panel are going to be able to carry out their work without being pressured to go in whatever direction either the mining companies or the environmental groups or the governments would like to see them go in. I think they will be able to carry out their mandate in the period of time that that has been allotted, and will be able to give an objective report.

As far as the regional study is concerned, I believe the work that is going to be done by the regional study includes enough groups and organizations in the Northwest Territories and across Canada that they will be able to come up with information to assist any new development that will take place in the Slave geological province. Thank you.

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Question 133-12(7): Funding For Non-resident Students

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, an earlier question, which was answered by the Minister of Finance , really related to the study on alternatives to fund education because there is a concern in Yellowknife about equity of funding when it comes to education. Currently, only 75 per cent of the formula is allotted to the Yellowknife boards, so I'm hoping that issue will be addressed.

Another related issue, Mr. Speaker, is that Yellowknife gets no tax revenue for students who reside outside the city limits, which creates a really inequitable situation. So, in the interim, until the study that the Minister of Finance has said will be completed in September is done, will the Minister agree to ensure that both Yellowknife school boards get the full amount that the financing formula for schools would normally provide to the Yellowknife boards for those students who live outside city limits?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't agree that will happen. However, I will review the concern that the honourable Member has raised and see if we can deal fairly with the matter and try to respond to the concerns of the separate school board and Yellowknife District No. 1 as fairly as possible.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. I appreciate the Minister's positive response. Could he give a commitment that he will make this a priority issue and deal with it within the next two weeks?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not certain we can deal with it in the next two weeks. We will deal with it in the context of trying to respond to financial requirements for the upcoming school year. In that context, I'm not certain if we can resolve it in the next two weeks, but I will report back to the honourable Member about the issue. Again, I can't guarantee that there will be a satisfactory resolution but we will try to do the best we can in solving the concern the honourable Member has raised.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. I'm a little bit concerned. The Minister has just indicated that he will deal with this issue in relation to the upcoming year. I think the citizens of Yellowknife have a concern that they've been funding this and hope that the Minister will also consider the current year and perhaps even what should have been granted in past years. We'll be expecting that there will be some consideration for that. Could I ask the Minister to advise whether or not he will take a look at the past situation?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot commit to the honourable Member in terms of retroactivity. What I can commit to the honourable Member is that I will make sure that the ongoing financing situation is responsive to the educational program needs of the students in this community. As is the case in other circumstances, we have made changes to school financing across the Northwest Territories. We believe it is much fairer than it used to be. If there are specific circumstances, as the honourable Member has raised, then we can now deal more appropriately with those situations because we now have, I believe, a fairer system across the board.

In terms of retroactivity, I can tell the honourable Member that I cannot guarantee that that will be dealt with but what I will address is the issue of how to address students from outside the municipality and whether we can provide the necessary financing for those students. I do want to raise one concern that I think the honourable Member should be aware of and that is, what effect this will have in other situations across the north, if any. That, in my view, is something that has to be dealt with. We will try to deal with it as fairly as possible.

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Question 134-12(7): Policy On Use Of Aboriginal Languages In Court

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Justice . It is with regard to the Member's statement I made today where a Dene person was denied the use of his language in the justice system, in a preliminary inquiry. As a result, the Supreme Court ordered a new preliminary inquiry. What is the policy of the Department of Justice with regard to using aboriginal languages in courts? Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Justice if he could tell the House if aboriginal languages may be used in all court proceedings? Mahsi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that this government, including the courts, have a policy to provide for full use of aboriginal languages. It is the right of aboriginal people, and any people, to use any of the official languages in the court system here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the case I mentioned, the point I raised is that the use of aboriginal languages is, as the Minister indicated, the right of aboriginal people in all government affairs and in the courts. Were there not court interpreters available at this court hearing? I guess the question is why did this happen? Was there not an interpreter available for this preliminary inquiry hearing? Mahsi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, what I will do is take the question as notice in order to review the specific incident and also review the basis on which the decision of that particular judge was overturned. Thank you.

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Question 135-12(7): Export Of Bison South For Auction

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Renewable Resources . Mr. Speaker, this morning I brought up the case of five live wood buffalo being exported by the Department of Renewable Resources down south for the purposes of auction. I would like to ask the Minister if his department was able to stop this export of live wood bison south? Thank you.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I approached my deputy minister this morning, my staff were on their way to bring in some trailers which were to be used to bring the bison south. We will be putting a stop to the transporting of bison at the present time. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

I thank the Minister for stopping the process. Mr. Speaker, can I ask the Minister if he can ensure that his department staff will undertake community consultation with regard to the exportation of live wood bison?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the concern that the Member has raised, I have put a stop to the transportation of bison at this present time. I think that the direction the department was taking is the direction that we should take a careful look at. I have said that we should put a stop to this. However, we should continue to talk about it and see what direction we can take with it. One of the consultations that will be made will be with the residents of Fort Smith. Thank you.

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Question 136-12(7): Birthing Centre For Taloyoak

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Subsequent to the Member's statement I made earlier, I will direct my question to the Minister of Health and Social Services. In the absence of the Minister, since this matter is urgent, I will direct my question to the Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

Mr. Speaker, when I talked about establishing a birthing centre in my area, I am not saying that expectant mothers should stay in the community. Quite the contrary, Mr. Speaker. I think it is very important that those expectant mothers with a history of complications, should continue to use the medical centre, here in Yellowknife. But for low-risk mothers, Mr. Speaker...The Minister has been advised by Taloyoak of the desire for a community birthing centre. Can the Minister give a date of when the community will receive notification of when the government will support this centre? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 137-12(7): Constitutional Status Of GNWT

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs. Mr. Speaker, on February 15th, I asked the Minister what he sees as the role of the Government of the Northwest Territories in self-government negotiations between aboriginal groups in the west and the federal Crown. Mr. Speaker, I have some concerns with the answers he provided me. The Minister seemed to imply that the Government of the Northwest Territories has the same constitutional status as a province has.

Does the Minister consider that the Government of the Northwest Territories has the same constitutional status that a province has, in the context of self-government negotiations with aboriginal groups? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, my statement was not intended to imply that the Government of the Northwest Territories has the same status as a provincial government. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

If that is the case, what does the Minister mean when he says that the Government of the Northwest Territories must be an independent party to all self-government negotiations affecting the Northwest Territories? Will this involve a Government of the Northwest Territories veto?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, provinces have status different from territorial governments. In fact, they are constitutionally-recognized governments. The territorial government does not have constitutional status. Having said that, it is the policy of the federal government that this includes the territorial government because we deliver programs and services on their behalf. We are mandated to deliver programs and services to all people of the territories, including aboriginal people in certain areas. It is in the best interest of the federal government, ourselves and the public that we be a party to these negotiations.

That is a very simple explanation, but that is one of the primary reasons for having us involved in the negotiations. Thank you.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that our government doesn't have any constitutional authority to do this on their own. Is that what the Minister is saying? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it is the policy of the federal government. It has been in practice already, for instance, in the negotiations with the Gwich'in on developing the framework agreement and will be included in other subsequent self-government negotiations that we will be a party to. We believe that that is the best way to proceed. We are, and have been, for instance, in the claims negotiations, part of the federal team in negotiations and in many cases have laid almost separate status in order to assist in expediting and balancing of the negotiations in the interest of the aboriginal people themselves. So the issue of self-government

negotiations is going to affect the Constitutional Development Steering Committee process. It is going to affect the way in which the public, including the aboriginal people, will expect to have services delivered to them. So I think it is in the interest of everyone that the Government of the Northwest Territories be involved in those negotiations. Thank you.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that a new federal policy with regard to negotiating self-government agreements hasn't been developed yet. I am curious as to why the Minister would be making those types of assumptions. I realize that it is based on previous policy from the previous government in power, but I don't know if that will be the case with the new policy with regard to self-government negotiations.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I don't take it upon myself to explain what the federal position is with regard to the negotiations. We have been pushing very, very hard to make sure that the federal government lives up to its red book commitments in delivering a new policy that would recognize the inherent right and come out with a clear policy at the earliest possible date. This would certainly clarify for everybody exactly what the mandate is for the federal negotiators when they sit down, and what the role of the Government of the Northwest Territories will be in those negotiations.

At this time, it is not clear at all what the status of the inherent right to self-government policy is with the federal government. The last I heard from the Minister's office is that, at best, he has a handful of speaking points to consider and it is nowhere near to having some recognizable shape or form.

Having said that, it is our understanding that the federal government will continue to insist that under the present policy, the Government of the Northwest Territories will be part of the negotiations and it will be particularly important because we are negotiating self-government specifically with aboriginal groups in particular regions.

The money and the programs that are involved are not in the hands of the federal government; they are presently in the hands of this government and it is our duty to make sure that the programs and services which are being negotiated do not unduly undermine the quality of service that is presently provided or undermine the quality and level of service provided to other citizens of the Northwest Territories who are not a party to these negotiations. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for Renewable Resources , since we now have a Slave province regional study group, to whom does this study group report?

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Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, I believe the regional study that is being conducted started in December of 1994. It will not necessarily report to any one group, I don't think, but it is being funded by the Minister of the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs and the Government of the Northwest Territories through the Department of Renewable Resources. The two governments have each committed up to $750,000 per year for five years to do the study. They are also seeking the remaining third portion of funds they will require from other potential partners, who include First Nations, industry and environmental organizations.

I don't know that there is one group or organization that they report to. But it will be something that will be made use of by industry and both levels of government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

I appreciate that the mining industry these days is very much involved in what we call environmental management. I would like to ask the Minister, Mr. Speaker, since it seems to me that this is a study group that has a long-range plan and which sometimes has to deal with immediate problems, and since at this moment there is a controversy about a 26-kilometre all-weather road which is still at the exploratory phase, as I understand it, between Koala Mine and Misery Lake, whether this regional study group has made any recommendations with regard to that road?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that this study will cover all of what is considered the Slave geological province. It is a regional study which will address the environmental concerns of industry, the various environmental organizations and our two levels of government, and set an environmental strategy for the Slave geological province which could be used by industry and by other interested parties.

The BHP Environmental Assessment Review Panel has a mandate which, I believe, will end after a period of...I'm sorry, I don't have the time frame at this present time. There are seven or eight steps that they will have to go through. At the present time, they are in their scoping session, as I mentioned earlier. They have hearings for that stage and will hold hearings for a number of the other stages whereby interested groups and parties will be able to make their presentations and make their concerns known.

The BHP Environmental Assessment Review Panel is specific to the area where BHP exploration is going on so will likely take less time than the Slave geological study. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The regional study group is looking at long-range issues, the development of data and so on that will help everybody involved in the business. But there has been an application to build and I quote: "A permanent all-weather tote road." Now, as I understand it, the word "permanent" means that it is there forever, that's it, until you decide to get rid of it.

So, since this is going to be there permanently, what is the position of the regional study group with regard to building something that is permanent without establishing whether it will have permanent good effects or permanent bad effects, even though, I agree, it is part of the exploratory phase, and not the development phase. What process is there in place to determine whether this permanent road will have any permanent effects?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that the application that has been made by BHP is at the DIAND office at the present time. It is still being discussed by DIAND officials as to whether this permanent road, as Mr. Lewis puts it, will be approved or not.

We are, as a department, taking a very close look and talking with BHP as well as to the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs as to what impact these permanent roads will have. The roads that we are talking about are approximately 28 kilometres, and it is only in the area that BHP is exploring at the present time. I believe what is being proposed by BHP are gravel roads which will allow them to be able to transport themselves. It would be a one-lane road that goes from one site to two other sites in their particular area.

Mr. Speaker, we are, as a department, watching very closely to what is happening. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

I think the public is very much interested in this issue, Mr. Speaker, and we wouldn't want the debate to get out of hand. I would like to ask the Minister, has the Slave province regional study group made any recommendations about how this should be handled, and whether in fact the Minister of DIAND has received such recommendations so that he can make a decision?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that the first meeting of the regional study took place in early February. The first planning workshop is scheduled, at the present time, for February 28th to March 2, 1995 here in Yellowknife. The objectives of this workshop will be to develop a common vision for the regional study, to achieve consensus on terms of reference and goals and objectives for the study, and to define the planning process and management structure for the study. So I don't believe that the Slave geological province regional study, at the present time, is in any position to be able to assess the proposals that are being made. Thank you.

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