Debates of Feb. 27th, 1995

This is page numbers 309 - 336 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was development .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

1995 Canada Winter Games

Defence Of Extreme Drunkenness

Minister's Absence From The House

Extreme Drunkenness Defence

Lack Of Speech Therapy Services For School-age Children

Funding Community Justice Committees

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Provision Of Speech Therapy To Students

Status Of Negotiations Re Northern Accord

Progress On Health Billings Dispute

Time Frame For Agreement On Northern Accord

Coverage Of Chiropractic Services Under Health Plan

Responsibility For Design Of Lutsel K'e School

Finalization Of New Formula Financing Agreement

Student Achievement Rates Across Nwt

Premier's Knowledge Of Oil Spill In Repulse Bay

Cancellation Of Buy-back Policy For NWT Team Uniforms

Amalgamation Of H&ss At Community And Regional Levels

Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Revert To Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Impact Of Federal Gun Control Legislation

Bill 16:

An Act To Amend The Retirement Plan Beneficiaries Act

Bill 17:

An Act To Amend The Nursing Profession Act

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates

To Adopt Recommendation 7

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Good afternoon. I would like to welcome some of the eastern Members back from the meeting in Iqaluit. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 22-12(7): 1995 Canada Winter Games

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, as Members know from the Member for Yellowknife South's earlier statement in the House, the 15th Canada Winter Games are being held in Grande Prairie, Alberta.

As we have done since the first games in 1967 in Quebec City, the Northwest Territories has a team participating in Grande Prairie. Our NWT team numbers 110 athletes, coaches and managers in the sports of badminton, biathlon, cross-country skiing, curling, figure skating, ringette, shooting, speed skating and squash.

Mr. Speaker, the games in Grande Prairie have reached their half-way point and our athletes in the sports of badminton, cross-country skiing, speed skating and ringette have now completed their competitions and returned home. I wish to take this opportunity to congratulate these athletes, many of whom achieved their personal best and all of whom were true ambassadors for the NWT, demonstrating good sportsmanship and fair play. Particular recognition should be given to speed skater, David McCann, who had excellent performances and placed 12th in a field of 40 competitors in the 777-metre event in short-track speed skating.

Our government was represented, Mr. Speaker, by my colleague, the Honourable Richard Nerysoo , Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , who attended meetings with federal/provincial/territorial Ministers responsible for fitness, recreation and sport, as well as meeting with Ministers from western Canada to discuss the Western Canada Games being held this summer in Abbotsford, British Columbia. While in Grande Prairie, Minister Nerysoo also had discussions on the Arctic Winter Games with Ministers from Yukon and Alberta and I look forward to providing information to Members on these initiatives later this week.

Mr. Speaker, I have provided to Members today, a list of all Team NWT members, by MLA constituency, and a copy of the NWT media guide publication with individual pictures and biographies of all team members. Please join me in congratulating those who have competed and in wishing good luck to those beginning their competitions this week in Grand Prairie at the 15th Canada Winter Games. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 22-12(7): 1995 Canada Winter Games

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 23-12(7): Defence Of Extreme Drunkenness

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce that on Friday, February 24, 1995, the Minister of Justice and Attorney General for Canada, Allan Rock, tabled amendments to the Criminal Code, providing that extreme intoxication which is self-induced is not a defence to crimes of violence.

---Applause

In doing this, the Minister of Justice is responding to widespread concern from across Canada, and certainly from the Northwest Territories, that was provoked by the Daviault decision of the Supreme Court of Canada. This case introduced for the first time into Canadian law, that extreme drunkenness in the nature of automatism and insanity, was a defence to assault; in that case the sexual assault of an elderly lady in a wheelchair. The results of the decision were widely criticized, particularly by women's groups, and, as a result, the Minister undertook a consultation with women's groups, representatives of the defence bar, legal academics and provincial and territorial governments.

Mr. Rock has done what most of us advised him to do, and I congratulate and thank him for doing so. It is my hope that Parliament will also see the wisdom of this approach and pass the amendment as soon as possible. I am sure that the Minister realizes that even after this amendment is passed, there will undoubtedly be challenges to the amendment under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, because the Daviault decision was based on an

interpretation of

section 7, which gives everyone the right not to be deprived of their right to life, liberty and security of the person, except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice. However, the argument against the challenge to the amendment will be that the removal of the defence is demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society and, as such, is protected by

section 1 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Later in this session, I will be introducing a motion which will demonstrate the conviction of this Legislative Assembly that the defence of extreme drunkenness is a threat to the peace and security of our society, and particularly the women of the Northwest Territories, who are all too frequently the victims of assault committed in a state of extreme intoxication. Its removal, therefore, is clearly justifiable.

In passing such a motion, the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories will be doing its share to support and sustain this welcome amendment to the Criminal Code and protect it from challenges based on

section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 23-12(7): Defence Of Extreme Drunkenness

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 24-12(7): Minister's Absence From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise the Members that the Honourable Silas Arngna'naaq will be absent from the House today to attend to personal business. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 24-12(7): Minister's Absence From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Extreme Drunkenness Defence

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last fall the Supreme Court of Canada brought down its controversial ruling on the extreme drunkenness defence. This judgment appalled many Canadians, including myself. However, at the time, it appeared that the court's direction that such a defence would only be appropriate in extremely rare cases would ensure that this defence would not be abused.

In the months since, however, a number of accused persons have tried to use this defence to excuse criminal behaviour. As a matter of fact, there is a trial going on right here in Yellowknife as we speak, in which a man accused of a vicious assault is trying to use this as a defence. Mr. Speaker, I think most Canadians and northerners will agree with me when I say extreme drunkenness is not acceptable behaviour and is especially not an appropriate defence for violence. I'm appalled that this defence is being used by more and more accused persons and I am especially appalled that this irresponsible notion has made its way into the courts here in the Northwest Territories.

In short, getting so drunk that you can't stop yourself from hurting someone or threatening to hurt someone is unacceptable and the Criminal Code of Canada will reflect that fact. This is an important step, Mr. Speaker, and I applaud Mr. Rock for making this effort to ensure that this belief will now be incorporated into our justice system.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude.

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Extreme Drunkenness Defence

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Whitford is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Whitford .

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Extreme Drunkenness Defence

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, colleagues, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, however, I still have some concerns about this legislation. When the amendment refers to consciously controlling one's behaviour, does that leave open a loophole where an unscrupulous accused could still find a way to get away with drunken violence? Could an accused find a middle ground between the standard of reasonable care and the early Supreme Court ruling that would enable them to get past this amendment? Finally, what if the Supreme Court rules that this amendment is a violation of the Charter of Rights of an accused?

This amendment is not a cure-all, Mr. Speaker. Violence, whether intoxication is involved or not, will continue to be one of the greatest threats against our society and our families. Even after this amendment is passed, we still have to teach our children that violence is unacceptable; that drugs and alcohol are not to be abused; and that families should be a safe place, not a place of fear or of violence. As leaders of our society, we, here in this House, have to provide impeccable examples to our neighbours.

I hope that all of us continue to progress in this campaign against violence to help make our society here in the Northwest Territories a safer place for everyone. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Extreme Drunkenness Defence

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Lack Of Speech Therapy Services For School-age Children

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 310

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the ability to communicate is crucial in our world today. You can't buy milk, meet a friend or share an experience if you can't communicate. Most of us communicate through the use of speech and language. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, there are

many young people in the Northwest Territories and in Yellowknife who have difficulty with speech and language. Without help, these children can face problems in school and ridicule of their peers.

Fortunately, there are trained specialists who can work with these children. Stanton Hospital has two speech language pathologists on staff. The problem is that these staff are expected to deal with all of the children with speech and language problems in the western Arctic. Speech therapy is not a matter of seeing a person once and sending them away with the answer. For many children, there is a need for regular therapy to work on the problem. As a result, the two pathologists just can't keep up with the workload.

In October, ordinary Members raised the concern that school-age children had been cut off from speech therapy services at Stanton hospital for close to a year. At that time, the Minister of Health and Social Services confirmed that her ministry was responsible for providing speech therapy services for school-age children. The Minister also said, and I quote: "The speech therapists we presently have are tremendously overburdened and not all students requiring speech therapy are able to be seen. I would like to confirm that we are doing everything we can to resolve that particular situation with the acknowledgement that we know we are understaffed in that area."

Mr. Speaker, I agree with the Minister that they are understaffed. The Yukon government, serving the same population as Stanton, has six speech therapists on staff and also calls on a private clinic, as required. The Minister also said on Monday, October 31st, and I quote: "I will try my best to look at the resources we have during the next couple of months to see where resources can be deployed and where we can set priorities on areas of major concern."

Mr. Speaker, it is now February and there are still no services for school-age children needing speech therapy services through the Department of Health and Social Services. A small amount of funding was supplied to local school boards but it only covered some training for teachers and a handful of assessments. There is still no therapy for these students.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Dent .

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Lack Of Speech Therapy Services For School-age Children

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, honourable Members. Mr. Speaker, these children need help and waiting another year or two may cause irreparable damage to some of them. During question period I will be following up with the Minister of Health and Social Services on what progress she has made on this issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Funding Community Justice Committees

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to comment on and applaud the work being done by the community justice committees. There are about 38 community justice committees in the Northwest Territories. A majority of these are funded through contributions provided by the Department of Justice. These contributions are provided for community justice projects that promote and encourage the participation of communities in the justice system and the development and implementation of community-based alternatives to the formal justice system.

In this year's proposed main estimates, there are $918,000 allocated to this program. On a straight-line calculation, this would mean that each community justice committee would get about $24,000 each. But we all know that these contributions are not doled out that way. I also understand that a good portion of this money is used to administer the fine options program.

Mr. Speaker, there is an active community justice committee in Inuvik. In this current fiscal year, Inuvik has been allocated about $18,000 for its community justice committee and I believe another $24,000 for the fine options program. These funds are administered through an arrangement with Ingamo Hall Friendship Centre.

Mr. Speaker, it's my understanding that the committee members for most of the community justice systems in the north are volunteers. This is the case in Inuvik. There's a good cross-section of community people on the Inuvik committee. I wish to add that the only person who gets paid is the coordinator, who gets a nominal fee for work on a case-by-case basis.

Mr. Speaker, there are many things that these justice committees do and don't get public recognition for. I'll save some of these comments for another Member's statement, possibly tomorrow.

Today I want to thank all of the people, not only in Inuvik but across the Northwest Territories, who volunteer their services to serve on the community justice committees. You are the real public servants. Mahsi.

---Applause.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Koe . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to introduce Mildred Wilke in the gallery. Mildred is the coordinator for the Kidney Foundation of Canada's fund-raising campaign that takes place beginning the 1st of March until the end of March.

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Question 170-12(7): Provision Of Speech Therapy To Students

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services. Mr. Speaker, as I noted in my Members' statement, for the western Arctic and Kitikmeot there are now only two speech therapists. Yet, the Yukon, which serves the same size population, has six speech therapists on staff. The Minister of Health and Social Services has confirmed that her department is responsible for providing these services, and last October she indicated that the department would look at resources to address the problem over the next couple of months. Mr.

Speaker, I would like to ask if the Minister has found a solution for providing speech therapy services to the many school-age children who need these services.

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Question 170-12(7): Provision Of Speech Therapy To Students

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services, Ms. Cournoyea .

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Question 170-12(7): Provision Of Speech Therapy To Students

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the issue of speech therapist is one that has been under discussion to find out how we can best provide the services, not only to Yellowknife but to other regions and communities of the Northwest Territories. It continues to be under active discussion to see where we can get the dollars that will allow us to provide more assistance in this area. I have not found a solution at this moment, however, I would like to indicate to the honourable Member that this subject is under active consideration. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Question 170-12(7): Provision Of Speech Therapy To Students

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. I appreciate the Minister's advice that she is still actively looking for a solution. I would like to point out that parents have now been waiting for almost two years for the government to identify this support for school-age children. Children who were six when the problem first started are now eight. It's getting to be a more and more serious situation. Will the Minister provide a concrete answer for addressing this issue before the end of the Seventh Session?

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Question 170-12(7): Provision Of Speech Therapy To Students

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Question 170-12(7): Provision Of Speech Therapy To Students

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I believe that I can provide an answer before the end of this session, although I don't know whether the answer will be a concrete one because I will have to get some explanation of what the honourable

Member is advocating in using the word "concrete." Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Dent , supplementary.

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Question 170-12(7): Provision Of Speech Therapy To Students

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think by "concrete" I mean something that is firm. I would like a set regimen to be put in place, if I can answer the question, so that we know that these services can be provided to school-age children. Now that she knows the answer to what I'm looking for in terms of "concrete," will the Minister provide a guarantee to this House that she will answer the question before the end of the Seventh Session?

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Question 170-12(7): Provision Of Speech Therapy To Students

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I intend to answer the question or attempt to address the issue and provide this House with as much as we can within the financial restraints in which we presently operate under. I will endeavour to do that. The Member may not have as concrete an answer as he wishes to have, but he will have one, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources . One of the Minister's initiatives, for which I support him, has been working with the aboriginal groups in the Northwest Territories to try to develop a northern accord agreement; to develop an agreement and a text on an accord on oil and gas and mining. I understand that several meetings have taken place between the Minister's staff and the aboriginal groups. What is the current status of these discussions?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We've had two meetings with the aboriginal groups that are directly affected by the development of a mineral accord and oil and gas accord. We've asked them to give us their input with respect to the language that they want incorporated into the accord. I believe we're supposed to receive that by the end of March. There's a further meeting planned in the next two weeks. They've formed a small executive group that's going to represent the interests of the aboriginal groups in terms of the language required in this new legislation.

My optimistic side says that we're going to hopefully reach an arrangement that will be satisfactory to all of us, including the current public government, and move reasonably expeditiously to make an arrangement with the federal government for the transfer of this

important responsibility which will then enable us to set the rules as to how industry, whether it's minerals or oil and gas, behaves in this part of the country. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Have all the aboriginal groups been active participants in this process?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Are all the aboriginal groups active in this process? The majority of the aboriginal groups are active participants in the process. I believe the Treaty 8 and the Deh Cho view themselves as observer status at this time, but they are attending the meetings and we are in formal discussions with them. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. What does the Minister intend to do if not all the aboriginal groups are signatories to an agreement, if you come up with an agreement?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My optimistic side says that we'll try to make an arrangement with the groups directly involved. Should we make an arrangement, then we'll be able to move forward in an orderly way with our discussions with the federal government. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. When does the Minister intend to proceed with negotiations with the federal government?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that the representatives who are involved in the process of trying to reach an appropriate compromise on the language that should be in the accord have agreed that they will try to reach an arrangement by the end of May. Should an arrangement be reached, we should then be able to proceed with discussions with the federal government on June 1st. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 172-12(7): Progress On Health Billings Dispute

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance . The Finance Minister 's budget address reports that progress has been made on a number of outstanding problems, including the health billings dispute.

As we all know, prior to and especially since 1988 when health care was transferred over to the Government of the Northwest Territories from the federal government for the administration of health services to treaty Indians and Inuit, there has been a dispute over billings for health services which were provided to treaty Indians and Inuit; as a result, this government has taken the federal government to court to try to settle this dispute. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance what type of progress he's reporting to us in his budget address when he mentioned the health billings dispute. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, on or about April 2nd, hopefully the last round of negotiations will take place in Ottawa with our deputy minister of Justice, the principal secretary to the Premier and the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. Hopefully, a document will come out of that that can be initialled, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since this health billings dispute regards the health services that are provided to aboriginal people, mainly treaty Indians and Inuit, once this arrangement that the Minister of Finance is negotiating with the federal government has been accomplished, would this diminish the level of health care for treaty Indians and Inuit? Thank you.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, as Members know, even though the federal government has not been paying all of the billings we have been sending them, we have not cut back on the health care that we have been providing to anyone in the Northwest Territories, and we don't foresee a cutback in the level of health care services for all the people of the Northwest Territories, even after we have settled with the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Since this involves aboriginal people, I would like to ask the Minister of Finance if aboriginal leaders are actively involved in these negotiations which deal with a crucial service to people they represent. Thank you.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, hopefully, the Premier is going to be in the vicinity of Ottawa as soon as we get the document in its final form. The intention would be for the Premier or myself, if I have to go there, and Mr. Irwin to initial the document. The document would be brought back to Cabinet and to the Standing Committee on Finance and it would be communicated to the aboriginal leaders, who we have kept informed over the last two years with regard to this court case. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 173-12(7): Time Frame For Agreement On Northern Accord

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources . Mr. Speaker, in response to Mr. Koe 's question, the Minister advised the House about negotiations amongst northerners to try to reach a consensus on a northern accord, and indicated that in June he hopes to start negotiations with the federal government on the northern accord. My question, Mr. Speaker, is what if a northern consensus is achieved but the federal government stalls the process? Does the Minister have a contingency plan to ensure that there are significant benefits for northerners with any new mine opening in the NWT, in the event there is no northern accord?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

We will put barricades on the road.

---Laughter

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good question. I think it is incumbent upon this ministry that we look at more than one option. Should we not be successful in reaching an arrangement, either with northerners or the federal government in terms of the orderly transfer of responsibility, it is important that we look at other options that may be available to us to protect the fiscal interests of not only this government, but aboriginal groups and, of course, employees and employers.

I've asked the Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources to develop potential options that they think we can accomplish, should we not be successful in reaching an arrangement with the federal government. Some of these options could be a Benefits Act, or amendments to the Area Development Act which would give us some authority on how that industry behaves in terms of economic components to mining, or oil and gas, for that matter. We could look at possibly asking the federal government to transfer some of the programs: the geology program or the mine recorder's office, things like that, so we have some influence over how the industry behaves.

There are a few other more dramatic steps we could take, but at this time, I haven't completely concluded the research necessary to determine whether these steps would be appropriate or if we have to put them into effect. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister's answer makes it sounds like there may be some thought given to legislation. Given that this may be the last session of this legislature before the negotiations get under way -- and perhaps get stalled -- is the Minister planning to list the options along with potential legislation in the transition document that SCOF has requested Cabinet prepare for the next government?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would answer the question this way. First of all, I think this initiative is probably one of the most important initiatives that this government is taking at this time, particularly with the budget crunch that we're all facing, not just in the Northwest Territories but right across the country. If there is a requirement to do more with less, then we have to find new ways to generate revenues. I've said that on a consistent basis. You can't keep cutting and slashing things for people who need it the most. We have to find another way to find additional revenues to meet the basic requirements of our constituencies.

I would go so far as to say that if there was no arrangement, I would seek support for calling a special session of the Assembly to enact legislation as it was required. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister be able to advise this House whether or not chiropractic services are covered under the current health care benefits? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, no, they're not.

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Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister be able to advise if chiropractic services are covered under non-insured health benefits for aboriginal people?

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Mr. Speaker, not to my knowledge.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister be able to advise the House whether she could find out for sure whether they are covered or whether they are not covered under non-insured benefits and why? Thank you.

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Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will be pleased to provide that information.

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Question 175-12(7): Responsibility For Design Of Lutsel K'e School

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Public Works . A number of people are concerned, myself included, about the recent closure of the school in Lutsel K'e due to the suspected contamination problem with carbon dioxide. This problem obviously impacts on the students in several ways; it impedes their education. But it also involves the question of taxpayers' money when it comes to having to rectify this air quality problem. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister who is responsible for designing schools of this type, whether it was a private architectural firm or was it Public Works?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, that particular school was designed by Killick Metz Bowen Rose Architects of British Columbia. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Public Works if there are other schools of similar design, by this firm, here in the Northwest Territories that may have the same problem.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, this school was designed with a natural ventilation system. To my knowledge, there are no other schools that were designed by this company with the same kind of natural ventilation system; although, I will admit there have been other schools in the Northwest Territories that have experienced bad air problems. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. More to a local concern, I am especially concerned with the school at Range Lake which was recently opened last year, and there is a new school under construction as we speak, the new St. Pat's school. I would like to ask the Minister whether or not his department has taken measures to ensure that these schools are going to be free of this particular problem in the future.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, in Yellowknife, the Department of Public Works does not manage the capital building projects for schools; that is done by the local Yellowknife boards. One thing we know for sure is that they will be built to code. If there is any assistance that we can lend them, we would be only too pleased to do so, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On this subject, in the news there was an amount quoted around $200,000 to

rectify this problem. I would like to ask the Minister, whatever it costs is the money going to come out of the territorial government's budget or is this recoverable from the designers of the school?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I doubt whether it is recoverable from the company, but obviously we will look at that. In all probability, one of the government departments will end up paying for any retrofit of that particular building. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, for the last couple of years, both the Minister of Finance and the Premier have worked very hard in trying to get a new formula financing agreement. It is going to be key to the success of the next government if this government is able to achieve a reasonable formula financing agreement. So my question to the Minister of Finance is when does the Minister think he will be able to conclude a new formula financing agreement?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, if I might just break a little bit, I believe that it is Mr. Ballantyne 's 50th birthday today.

---Applause

You see, former Finance Ministers do live to the age of 50, Mr. Speaker.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, since before Christmas we have been in negotiations with the federal government with regard to a new formula financing agreement. They have made some suggestions to us. The Yukon and ourselves negotiate at the same time. Last week in a discussion with Premier Ostashek from the Yukon, he is having concerns about the issues that have been put before us by the federal government; we are also concerned. The two jurisdictions are going to get together to discuss these particular issues. If Mr.

Martin can tear himself away from the budget round that he is going to do after he speaks today, we might be able to get to him some time before April or May. I would anticipate that we would see a conclusion of those discussions somewhere in August or September, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education . I would like to ask the Minister, since the divisional board in the Sahtu have recognized that their students are several years behind where they should be, whether this is the only jurisdiction in the territories that has that problem.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, this is not the only jurisdiction in this country that has this particular problem. I want to implicate that, generally speaking, there is an acceptance that there is a situation with aboriginal communities right across the country that they find in terms of comparable educational standards; they are different and, in fact, lower. So there is an attempt on the part of the Ministers of Education across the country to try to find a way to address this particular issue.

The western Ministers have been meeting and we are working on an effort in western Canada to try to develop a consistent curriculum for all of western Canada so that there is consistency in measuring the students that graduate from our schools.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the 1970s, it was pointed out that if we made changes to the Education Act and gave people more local control, then a lot of these concerns would be met. A lot of that was done over the last dozen or so years, Mr. Speaker. So I would like to ask the Minister what is he proposing as a solution to this problem, which he has said is a problem in communities not only throughout the territories, but right throughout Canada as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the question. The issue is not simple as the answer has to be taken in the context of all those things that need to be dealt with. For instance, our colleague, Mr. Dent , and the Special Committee on Health and Social Services have pointed out on a number of occasions, there are some significant health and social issues that have to be addressed in the context of ensuring that students who are serious about their education have to have a home environment and family environment that promotes their success. If we start at a point where there is no support for the children, then obviously we're going to have some very difficult situations.

The other thing is that we need to accept that we have a numeracy/literacy situation in the north that requires upgrading.

I want to indicate to the honourable Member that as part of our own budget there is an attempt on our part to begin to deal with those particular issues in terms of numeracy/literacy strategy.

The other point is that we have to provide a strategy for education which we approve in this House. I think it will lay out the groundwork and framework for which we must invest our resources.

The other point is that the Member provided information on the Education Act that's crucial. It requires us to change the way we do business in education, and the respect we also give to the students and the parents and our educators.

The issue is not simple. Our solutions cannot be based on one view, but that of the community participating. I think that the success...For instance, in Yellowknife, the involvement of the people of Yellowknife clearly shows that when the community takes the issue of delivering programs and services seriously, the quality of students are there. The fact is it depends on the support given. I think in our efforts, we're trying to ensure that occurs and we will continue to make every effort to respond to those needs.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

As I understand it, Mr. Speaker, the Sahtu have decided that they're going to take the bull by the horns and they're going to try to solve this problem. Does this mean that the Sahtu is the only jurisdiction in the territories that has decided that they're going to make this an issue that they're going to grapple with, and will they be working alone in this or is it part of a bigger movement through the system?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My belief is that it's a bigger movement. I think that we all accept that there is a certain deficiency in the standard of education. Let me also note the highlights and the positives. We've gone from a five per cent graduation rate amongst aboriginal people, to 12 per cent in five years. We're starting to move more students through high school.

The second point is that we have more students who are going further in school than ever before. We have more people returning to school and we have more students attending post-secondary institutions, particularly adults who have been out of the system for a long time. So I think we're creating an environment in the north in response to the work of the past Assemblies and to Members in this Assembly. So I think we've highlighted the importance of education.

In our budget it's clear, Mr. Speaker. I believe that approximately 25 per cent of the total budget of this government -- much higher than any other jurisdiction in the country in terms of percentages -- is for the development and education of our children and the people of the north. I think we ought to be complimented for that, despite the fact that there are some serious issues. I think we're making an effort, it's a cooperative approach. I just think that the Sahtu is going to take a serious approach to this issue, no different than any other region.

In fact, many of the surplus dollars from those regions is going into the special needs programming area, and I think they should be complimented on that.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thanks, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if he would confirm that in the tests that we have undertaken in the territories as part of a global Canadian survey, on an average of the territories, can you tell me how far we are behind the rest of Canada in terms of levels in our system?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, that requires a much more substantive response that I can give at this particular juncture. You have to look at it in comparative terms. It's no different than the first exam that was written in math. It depends on where you measure. On the high-end, for instance in the math, we were comparable to the rest of the country. In the low-end we were comparable. It was in the middle where we had more serious problems. In fact, it's in the middle, between grades 8, 9 and 10, in that particular area that we had the most students dropping out. That is, in fact, a reflection of the situation.

So in comparison, it's very difficult for me to say. So, Mr. Speaker, I'm going to take the question as notice. I will make a statement on that particular issue.

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Question 178-12(7): Premier's Knowledge Of Oil Spill In Repulse Bay

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 317

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm obliged to ask a question which, according to my friend from Repulse Bay, is an emergency situation. My cousin and my friend is here in the public gallery. He informed me that there is a major oil spill that occurred today in Repulse Bay. It's obvious that the spill has come from the NWT Power Corporation fuel tanks. Is the Premier aware of this major spill in Repulse Bay at this point in time? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I am not aware at this point in time.

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Samuel Gargan

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Page 318

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, will the Premier endeavour to find out right away and do whatever she can to contain the spill?

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Samuel Gargan

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will do my best right away to find out the situation on the oil spill, what has been leaked, and ensure that the Power Corporation quickly moves into the normal procedures that they have to go into as part of the guidelines they operate under. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Question 179-12(7): Cancellation Of Buy-back Policy For NWT Team Uniforms

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 318

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, under whose jurisdiction the Arctic Winter Games and the Canada Winter Games come. Mr. Speaker, parents of athletes participating in the Arctic Winter Games and the Canada Winter Games were concerned over the high costs of uniforms that are mandatory in order to belong to Team NWT. The cost, I understand, goes anywhere up to $250 per outfit. In two cases that were brought to my attention, the people found it financially difficult to meet that cost.

I understand that the department had a buy-back policy. In fact, you would rent the uniform for the period of time that you were needing it for the games and then your money would be refunded when you returned the uniform. But I learned subsequently that this policy had been cancelled and I would like to ask the Minister why this policy was cancelled.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Ng .

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Page 318

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that the purchase, selling and holding is managed by Sport North on behalf of the government. The agreement was made where athletes had, at one point, an option of returning their uniforms, but it became an administrative burden to assess the returned clothing and give out the refunds for that. So at that time, the decision was made that athletes would purchase the clothing and not be able to return it. That is the current policy that is still in place. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I thought I heard the Minister say that the policy was still in place, or is it that they will not purchase the clothing back?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The policy currently is that Sport North does not purchase the clothing back from athletes. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand the Minister now. It has been brought to my attention, Mr. Speaker, that in some cases this can be financially difficult for some families. I notice, in looking at the names of the people who are participating, that sometimes there are two participants in the same family. At $250 each, that is a lot of dollars. I would like to ask the Minister whether or not he would consider revisiting the policy of buy-back in cases where it is necessary because of the financial situation the athletes may find themselves in. I don't think it is difficult to do. There are ways around it. I would like to ask the Minister if he would entertain reinstating that policy.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm aware of the concern of the high cost of clothing for athletes. At one time, prior to 1993, there was a government subsidy for athletes' clothing. That subsidy was taken away, hence the increase in prices for clothing. It is one of the things I will commit to taking a look at. There is also the possibility of looking at other paraphernalia, besides uniforms, which might be used to promote our athletes that aren't of such an expensive nature. That will be looked at as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Whitford .

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Page 318

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that Sport North is financed, at least in part, through the Lottery Foundation. I think the amount of money that northerners contribute to this is commendable. I would like to ask the Minister, in his analysis of this, if he would re-examine the assistance that can be given to the purchase of these uniforms. It is enough to ask our students and young people to represent us, but to hit them with the high cost of uniforms is asking a bit

much. I would like to ask him if he would consider having Sport North reintroduce the subsidy.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Yes, Mr. Speaker, we'll take a look at it. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Question 180-12(7): Amalgamation Of H&ss At Community And Regional Levels

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 319

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services. It is with regard to the amalgamation of Health and Social Services. I'm concerned about this amalgamation since the headquarters level has been amalgamated already and there are plans for amalgamation at the community and regional levels. I would like to ask the Minister if her department is doing the amalgamation at the community and regional levels at this time. Thank you.

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Page 319

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services, Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, there are a number of communities that we are working and having discussions with on how that could possibly happen. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Are there any further questions? Okay, we will take a break.

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Page 319

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I will call the House back to order. We are on item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, replies to budget address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Page 319

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table four documents. The first one is Tabled Document 24-12(7), an information note from the Department of Justice Canada on "Self-induced Intoxication as Criminal Fault," February 1995.

I also wish to table Tabled Document 25-12(7), a letter to the Honourable Warren Allmand, chairman of the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. It is a letter from myself dated February 24, 1995 concerning amendments to the Criminal Code and a new Firearms Act.

I also wish to table Tabled Document 26-12(7), a letter from the North American Hunting Club to Mr. J. Peterson, president of the Barrenland Caribou Outfitters Association with regard to firearms legislation.

Finally, I wish to table Tabled Document 27-12(7), a letter from J Group Company Ltd., Yellowknife, to the Honourable Allan Rock with regard to the firearms legislation.

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Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Page 319

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 14, tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Page 319

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to go back to tabling of documents.

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Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Page 319

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Thebacha is requesting unanimous consent to go back to item 14, tabling of documents. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a number of documents to table, if I may. I wish to table Tabled Document 28-12(7), Peat Marwick Stevenson and Kellogg project report on the evaluation of appropriateness of the current fire suppression methodology, study eight.

I have Tabled Document 29-12(7), a copy of an opinion column, "Firefighting Aircraft Plans Expensive and Ill-conceived."

I wish to table Tabled Document 30-12(7), a copy of a letter addressed to myself from the former Minister of DPW, dated September 7, 1994.

I wish to table Tabled Document 31-12(7), a copy of the records of decision for the Executive Council dated August 10, 1994, with a copy of statement of requirements attached.

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table Tabled Document 32-12(7), a letter to Mr. Doherty dated October 5th from the Dene-Metis Holdings with an attachment.

I wish to table Tabled Document 34-12(7), a copy of a letter to Mr. Morin , Minister of Public Works and Services , from the Dene-Metis dated October 17th.

I wish to table Tabled Document 36-12(7), a letter to the former Minister of DPW from the Dene-Metis Holdings dated October 31, 1994.

Finally, I wish to table Tabled Document 37-12(7), a copy of a press released dated August 18, 1994. Thank you.

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Page 319

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 14, tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motions for first

reading of bills. Item 17, motions; Motion 10-12(7), Impact of Federal Gun Control Legislation. Mr. Ningark .

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Motion 10-12(7): Impact Of Federal Gun Control Legislation, Carried

Item 17: Motions

Page 320

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

WHEREAS a significant number of Northwest Territories residents possess firearms for the purpose of hunting, trapping and pursuing a traditional lifestyle;

AND

WHEREAS the federal government introduced Bill C-68,

An Act Respecting Firearms and Other Weapons, on February 14, 1995;

AND

WHEREAS this proposed legislation would have a significant negative impact on many northern residents;

AND

WHEREAS the concerns of the NWT residents were raised with the federal Minister of Justice , the Honourable Allan Rock, but ignored in the drafting of the proposed legislation;

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for North Slave , that the Legislative Assembly prepare a presentation to be made to the federal Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, chaired by the Honourable Warren Allmand, regarding the negative impact that Bill C-68 would have on the citizens of the NWT;

AND FURTHER, that the presentation be made to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs when it holds hearings in Ottawa. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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