Debates of Sept. 23rd, 1992

This is page numbers 1033 - 1056 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Rankin Inlet Surveyor Training Course

Books Produced By Divisional Boards Of Education

Work Of Mrs. Jean Dube

G.n.w.t. Approach To Aboriginal Youth's Cultural Education

Federal Government Transfer Of Programs And Funding To G.n.w.t.

Requirement Of Rescue Vessels For Sanikiluaq

Preservation Of The Dene Language

Question O832-12(2): Training Program For By-law Officers

Question O833-12(2): Status Of Policy For Hunters

Question O834-12(2): Honorarium For Social Services Committee Members

Question O835-12(2): Committee Of Political Leaders Working Document Discussed In Committee Of The Whole

Question O836-12(2): Cabinet Review Of Community Transfer Initiatives

Question O837-12(2): Representation On Committee Of Political Leaders

Question O838-12(2): Requests For Search Of Missing Medical Patients

Question O839-12(2): Government Leader's Attendance At Mines Conference

Question O840-12(2): Plans To Control Bison

Question O841-12(2): Plans To Upgrade Mackenzie Highway

Return To Written Question 38-12(2): Statistics On N.W.T. Power Corporation

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Adopt Recommendation No. 8

To Adopt Recommendation No. 9

To Adopt Recommendation No. 10

To Adopt Recommendation No. 11

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. James Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 95-12(2): Rankin Inlet Surveyor Training Course

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Training is essential if northerners are to learn the skills required to take advantage of many job opportunities in the construction industry. Last spring in Rankin Inlet, the Department of Government Services and Public Works, with the assistance of the Departments of Municipal and Community Affairs, Education, Arctic College and Maani Ulujuk School, organized a basic surveyor training course. The department knew that there was going to be some survey work for a large upcoming project, and that there were not enough local people trained in surveying.

An engineer from the regional office instructed the course, which ran for 18 nights from April to June. Eight long-term residents participated in the course. Two graduates are now working as surveyor helpers, for the next three years, on the Rankin Inlet mine tailings pond cleanup project.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 95-12(2): Rankin Inlet Surveyor Training Course

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arvaluk .

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Minister's Statement 96-12(2): Books Produced By Divisional Boards Of Education

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, yesterday, I had a visit from Mr. Joe Enook, the Chairman of the Baffin Divisional Board of Education. One of the reasons he came to see me was to show me copies of the latest books produced by the Baffin Divisional Board. I was very impressed by what I saw. These books are well written, beautifully decorated and illustrated. I believe that students will find them very appealing and will thoroughly enjoy reading them.

The books published by the boards of education have many benefits. They encourage students to read in their own languages. They have given parents their first opportunity to read to their children in their own language. They play an important role in involving parents in the education of their children, and help strengthen the partnership between the school system and the parents.

Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased with the work done by the divisional boards of education and the teaching and learning centres in producing attractive, well written books. I would like to express my appreciation for this excellent work, and look forward to seeing new materials in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 96-12(2): Books Produced By Divisional Boards Of Education

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been asked by three of my constituents, why yesterday, when there was a motion in this House, requesting the Prime Minister to send Marcel Danis to Yellowknife, this motion was not made by a Yellowknife M.L.A.

I should explain, Mr. Speaker, that yesterday morning all ordinary Members met, as we always do, and it was agreed that on behalf of all Members, the Chairman of the Ordinary Members' Caucus, Mr. Nerysoo , would make that motion, and that we would get somebody from the eastern Arctic to second it.

In order to illustrate that this issue is of interest to more Members of this Assembly, it goes far beyond the borders of our city, because of the immensity of the things that have happened over the last several weeks.

Related to this, also, Mr. Speaker, is the fact that yesterday, although I am the Member for the centre of this city, I was not in the House when the recorded vote was taken. Mr. Speaker, I was part of the decision that morning to construct that motion, and urged every Member to support it. While the vote was being taken, I was busily engaged helping a very distraught individual, from my constituency, who was very upset, and was not able to get back into the House in order to record my vote.

Today, Mr. Speaker, I should like to record, and give my absolute unequivocal support to the motion that was passed yesterday, in my absence.

Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Work Of Mrs. Jean Dube

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to take the opportunity, today, to thank my colleagues who attend the luncheon that I hosted.

Mr. Speaker, last month I invited Mrs. Jean Dube, who is an elder in our community. Mrs. Dube is well known for the work that she has done, not only with muskox, but with wild meat, and particularly, the work that she has done with spices.

Mrs. Dube had a display for the Members to see how we can use muskox to its fullest potential, with no waste whatsoever. There was a display of soap, which is used from the fat. There was a display of canned muskox, along with muskox to eat. In addition, she had a variety of spices that she has worked on for fish, fowl, and wild meat.

I want to particularly thank the Honourable John Pollard for attending the luncheon to recognize the economic potential of such development for one of our resources. It is unfortunate that the Minister of Renewable Resources was unable to attend.

It is my pleasure, on behalf of Mrs. Dube, to provide each of the Members with a can of muskox, and also a small package of some of the spices that she has developed. I am sure Members will enjoy it. Thank you.

---Applause

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Work Of Mrs. Jean Dube

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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G.n.w.t. Approach To Aboriginal Youth's Cultural Education

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I continue to be concerned about this government's approach to what has been called a cultural education of our aboriginal youth. I do not agree with the current trends, that give the school system primary responsibility for transmitting our traditional knowledge to the youth of our communities.

I must state clearly here, that I am not being critical of the very special efforts that have been made by the talented Dene and Inuit teachers, who have accomplished a lot in this area, often with limited resources.

My problem, is the principle, that the young persons discovery of our aboriginal way of life, should be assimilated within the school system, that is based on an entirely different set of beliefs about how children learn.

Here is what I mean, the school system we have in the Northwest Territories is based on values, principles that reflect the best way to teach the children about things that are important to the European culture.

Highly developed teaching technologies are used to help children master mathematical concepts, making scientific frame work, and expressing themselves through written word.

That may be the best way to teach youth the knowledge that has been accumulated by the non-native culture, but it is not the best way to show a young person how to live in a way our Dene and our Inuit have lived.

I think I am talking too fast for the interpreter. I would ask the honourable Members who are of aboriginal descent to think about their own childhoods. Where did they learn to make a camp that can withstand the cold and the wind? How did they learn how to set a snare?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Gargan .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

(Translation) How did they gain that understanding of snow and ice textures that my honourable colleague from Natilikmiot spoke about yesterday. I will guarantee that they did not learn these things by watching educational videos, or reading textbooks, or writing an essay about them, or going on a field trip. They learned them like I did, Mr. Speaker, from the elders and the hunters of our communities.

Mr. Speaker, aboriginal wisdom is best learned by becoming a part of our surroundings, and by relying on the uncles, parents, grandparents, or others, who know about our way of life. Mr. Speaker, I should oppose the assimilation of our traditional way of teaching youth within the educational system of another culture. I am also concerned about the possibility that the effectiveness of the standard curriculum, the math, the geography, and the spelling, is being diluted by the artificial focus our schools are putting on the notion of cultural education.

I would like to see the Northwest Territories educational system reflect the fact that we do have several cultures, each with different learning styles. Cultural values and knowledge should be taught to our youth by the leaders and elders in our communities, not by teachers and principals who look at them as just another element of the school curriculum.

That, Mr. Speaker, is the only way to ensure that we retain active living aboriginal cultures in the Northwest Territories. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Federal Government Transfer Of Programs And Funding To G.n.w.t.

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about an issue that has been of some concern to me for some time, the transfer of programs and services from the federal government to the Northwest Territories government.

Since I was first elected in the House, I am fast becoming used to disagreements with the federal government over funding matters. First it was the health billings dispute, which has been ongoing for some time now, and last week we received news from the Minister responsible for Housing about the devastating reduction in social housing programs.

Mr. Speaker, although the circumstances in these cases are different, I believe, ultimately, they will lead to the same conclusion. The federal government is off-loading programs and services on the Government of the Northwest Territories. Like other Members of this House I am concerned about the strategy we have taken to deal with these disputes with the federal government.

As the honourable Member from Mackenzie Delta has pointed out many times, the federal government has a constitutional and moral responsibility to provide these programs and services to aboriginal people. Mr. Speaker, I agree with the honourable Member and believe that we should be aggressively pursuing this with the federal government.

Mr. Speaker, this leads to the larger question of how we handle negotiations with the federal government. I am not satisfied that the agreements we have negotiated in the past have been as good as they should have been. Often, I believe, we have accepted agreements in the past because of our zest to transfer more power to the Northwest Territories. This has been done despite serious shortfalls in the fiscal terms of these agreements.

Mr. Speaker, in my opinion, this is a serious miscalculation. As a good friend of mine recently pointed out, responsibility should not be confused with power. Money is power. Mr. Speaker, in my opinion we should establish a moratorium on any further accords with the federal government until a negotiating framework and a mechanism for analysing any other agreements, is established and reviewed by this House.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I will have more to say about the power sharing arrangements with the federal government, under the new Constitution, in my statement tomorrow. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Requirement Of Rescue Vessels For Sanikiluaq

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This winter, in February, I went to Sanikiluaq, and then in April, I went down there again, and I understood more clearly what they are planning to do with the boat. They have been asking to get rescue vessels in that community. Since they are located in the Hudson Bay, I think it would be more appropriate if I redirect this question to the Minister of Renewable Resources .

Mr. Speaker, I stand to raise this concern on how the people of Sanikiluaq can obtain a vessel, because they do not have any large vessels within that area for their own use. Many problems arise, and it can come in very handy for use in obtaining food, and for other things, such as places that need to be attended to when the weather is bad.

When the Minister is present, I can give him further details, and a picture of this particular vessel that I am talking about. I made a mistake before when I posed this question, and I got the wrong information, and I directed it to Dennis Patterson in error at the time, I apologize for that. Once I present the information to the Minister responsible, I will be putting forth a further question. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Requirement Of Rescue Vessels For Sanikiluaq

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements, Mr. Antoine .

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Preservation Of The Dene Language

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

An interesting point is that the Chinese language grew the most between 1986 and 1991, an increase of 59 percent, and according to Statistics Canada, mother tongue is defined as the first language a person learns at home in childhood, and still understands at the time of the census.

The next largest group following Chinese is Spanish, followed by Punjabi, and Arabic. Three native languages that are largest are Cree, Inuktitut, and Ojibway. I guess my main concern is, as a Dene, once my language goes, I do not have any other mother country to go back to, and learn my language again, such as these other languages. If they lose it in Canada, they always can go back to their mother country, and it is preserved there.

Whereas in my particular case, we are on the endangered species list, and we are getting close to extinction. The only place to preserve our language is through this government here, and I think I would like to say, that on behalf of a lot of people in my constituency, there is concern over the standardization of the language of the Dene.

There are so many different dialects up here, that if you are going to standardize it, there is a real danger of taking the uniqueness of each distinct dialect away, and I have a very big concern about that. I would just like to say mahsi for that. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question O832-12(2): Training Program For By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs .

Mr. Speaker, by-law enforcement officers in a community are a very important part of the municipal government operation, especially in a small community such as Pelly Bay and Spence Bay and other communities, I am sure, across the territories. A by-law enforcement officer has to be able to make the distinction between the Criminal Code of Canada, and the local by-law in the local municipalities. The by-law enforcement officer requires a solo training within the field that he has chosen to do within the community.

Mr. Speaker, my question is, does the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs have a policy, or program, in place to oversee that by-law enforcement officers in the small communities are properly trained to do the job? Thank you.

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Question O832-12(2): Training Program For By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo .

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Question O832-12(2): Training Program For By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the area of enforcement officers in the communities, the department itself does not have training programs, but, I believe, the Minister of Justice is reviewing the training for by-law officers. The motion was passed in this House to that effect, and I think the Minister of Justice will be dealing with this sometime in the future. Thank you.

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Question O832-12(2): Training Program For By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Supplementary To Question O832-12(2): Training Program For By-law Officers

Question O832-12(2): Training Program For By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. M.A.C.A. is directly involved with the municipalities within the territories. I am sure M.A.C.A. is very responsive to the communities within the territories. Would the Minister tell me, and inform the House, that he will do everything he can on this request, which has been requested by a number of communities? Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question O832-12(2): Training Program For By-law Officers

Question O832-12(2): Training Program For By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo .

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Question O832-12(2): Training Program For By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O832-12(2): Training Program For By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions, Mr. Gargan .

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Question O833-12(2): Status Of Policy For Hunters

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Welcome back, Dennis.

On a previous occasion, I have commented in this House about the policy that has been established by the Workers' Compensation Board to define who is, and who is not, a hunter for the purposes of

section 10-1 of the Act. On June 23, I reminded the Minister that this policy had been ruled as contrary to the spirit of the legislation by the board's own appeal committee. The Minister assured me that he would have a new policy in place by the end of this summer. He also took my supplementary as notice when I asked him what the board was using in place of the policy.

Since the Minister, and the board, have had the summer to work over the new policy, could I ask the Minister today, what action he has taken to replace the previous definition of who is principally engaged as a traditional hunter, trapper or fisherman?

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Question O833-12(2): Status Of Policy For Hunters

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Patterson .

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Question O833-12(2): Status Of Policy For Hunters

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, unfortunately, since this issue was last discussed in this Legislature, there have been some other major issues and problems that have occurred at the Workers' Compensation Board, and I must inform the Member that my expectations that we would have a new policy in place by the end of the summer may have been a bit optimistic.

I can tell the Member, however, that the matter has been worked on intensively by the Workers' Compensation Board. Our government, principally the Department of Renewable Resources, and I do believe they are close to a solution, but it has not yet been finalized. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister what guidelines has the board had, to make its decision on which hunter and trapper claims should be compensated?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, as I understand the work that is being done, the criteria for measuring injury will be the same as is applied to any other accident in any other work place. There will be no special

definitions of injury, and disability, for hunters. They will be treated the same as any other person that comes to the W.C.B. for coverage.

Secondly, the board is working on a definition of hunter, which is done locally at the community level, and not be some distant claims adjudicator or other remote person.

Thirdly, the committee working on this issue has agreed that it will be necessary to expand the coverage criteria, to make it easier for more hunters to be covered, than were covered under the previous policy.

Having said all that, the setting of an appropriate income level for determining awards for injured persons may well have to be adjusted for hunters, and may well have to be special for hunters, as compared to other workers.

That is what I can tell the Member about the directions that are being taken. I am told that the work is close to being concluded, within weeks. Thank you.

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Question O834-12(2): Honorarium For Social Services Committee Members

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question that I want to ask the Minister of Social Services . I am not sure what the policies are, as an M.L.A. here in the territories or across Canada, there are committees under social services. Many of them have fallen, this could be due to shortage of funding, or perhaps there is a new policy in place. They used to have committees, and they would get $25, they have been reduced to receiving $5.

I wonder if the Minister of Social Services can respond to whether this is a new policy for Social Services Committee Members. We understand that they now receive $5, and I was asked to bring this forward to the Minister of Social Services . Is this a new policy, to reduce the honorarium? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

If he is unable to respond today, I hope that he will be able to do so during the sitting of this session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I will take the question as notice. I will note the Member's desire to have an answer before the end of this session. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs .

Mr. Speaker, last week the Minister had put forth his Minister's statement regarding the meeting of the Committee of Political Leaders, in respect to the working document that he presented to the House, tabled in the House, last June, regarding the commissions report, and Working Towards a Common Future.

He indicated in this House, that I.R.C. was going to develop a work plan and interim budget for consideration of the Members. At the time, he also indicated that he tabled the report, and he would like to take time to discuss it in committee of the whole, during this session.

I would like to ask the Minister, when does he intend to bring this document into committee of the whole and discuss it further, to get the Members' viewpoints on that particular document? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, when the Committee of Political Leaders met it was their wish that at some time, this Session, or the November session, if it has to be then, they wanted an opportunity to speak directly to the Members of the Legislature, on their views of the commission report, to submit a work plan, perhaps an interim budget, and where do we go from here, following the competition of the first phase of the work that Mr. Bourque, and the other commissioners, were tasked with.

It is my view, that once we have the document that all Members of that committee agreed with, in terms of a work plan and an interim budget on what they require to continue proceeding with the work, that we could, perhaps, tie that in with a recommendation to the Legislature on when would be the best possible date for discussion on that commission report.

I do not have a specific date, but once we have a plan, then it would seem to make sense to me that we would try to set a certain day for discussions on the commission report, and moving it into committee of the whole, inviting representatives of the Inuvialuit, the regions of the Dene and the Metis, and other members of the committee, so that they can address the Members directly. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Minister indicated to this House, this work plan is to be developed, and is being developed by I.R.C. on the recommendation of the political leaders, without consultation of the M.L.A.s.

Can I ask the Minister, whether or not he is waiting for a work plan, the draft work plan, that they have requested, before he considers bringing forth the document Working Towards a Common Future for our discussion, and our viewpoints. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the commission report has been discussed by some of the aboriginal organizations, and I know at least the Dene Nation, which did not have a duly constituted assembly this summer. I cannot say that they have had an in-depth discussion of the commission report, stating item by item. I do not know if any of the groups can say that.

It was the view of the leaders that gathered, the other week, that generally the report was well received. The Inuvialuit Regional Corporation was asked to take the first shot at drafting what could be summarized as the initial thoughts of the group, on where we should go from here. That is, phase two of the commission was contemplated to be of the same magnitude as what just finished this spring. To get a final blueprint on what a constitution for a western territory should be, and how everybody would fit into that.

The draft work plan is going to look at how the different regions see the different work being done. It may not necessarily be another commission requiring the kind of money that the last commission used. It is going to be looked at, I guess we will be asked to consider it, as well. If the Members want to initiate discussion earlier on it, I would welcome suggestions.

It is not a difficulty, it is just that, in my view, I had suggested I did not think it would be proper for this Legislature to take a position on the commission report until after the aboriginal people, and the people of the communities, have had a chance to look at the report and respond. I thought not to upstage the other Members, and come to a position that would...

So, that is the offer that I had made, and that is why there is no rush on my part to get into a discussion. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I am somewhat concerned of the process that we developed. Basically, what has happened is that we have had a report tabled in this House, that the Legislative Assembly, and the government, has spent probably a million dollars on. It has been tabled, and never brought forth to committee of the whole.

Political leaders have taken it upon themselves to develop a work plan, with the input of M.L.A.'s comments, or concerns, in regards to the initial document. Mr. Speaker, I have a copy of the initial draft work plan, and I am concerned that there is nothing in respect to Metis people in the territories, and I know that it is only a draft. So, I would like ask the Minister, again, Mr. Speaker, when does he intend to bring forth the document Working Towards a Common Future for Members' discussions, and comments, in this House? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the view that has been taken historically with regard to constitutional development in the north, is that in respect to specific aboriginal groups, it is those aboriginal groups that are mandated to represent those people in claims negotiations and constitutional negotiations, that we speak for them. In the case of the Metis, it is a bit overlapped right now in that the Metis Association has historically taken that role.

I do not think they are lax in their diligence at all, but the Gwich'in Tribal Council has taken the view that they represent all descendants of the Gwich'in, regardless of whether they are of treaty or Metis status. The Sahtu Tribal Council also represents the Metis locals of that region, and have motions endorsing the view that the Sahtu Tribal Council speaks for all Dene and Metis, in that region, in regards to claims negotiations, political, and constitutional issues.

As far as this Legislature is concerned, we have, at least I have, taken the view that we should give the aboriginal groups the comfort of trying to take some lead in these discussions, and not try to pressure them or suggest that we should have a larger say in it at all. We should take some comfort that it is community leaders, it is regional leaders, and it is duly elected leaders specifically mandated to represent aboriginal groups that are giving us some suggestions. That is what this draft work plan is.

I would suggest that the work plan is something that can be responded to, if the Member wants to make suggestions to that, and we can look at tabling that. My view is that it may be something more appropriately done as a caucus issue, since I sit in this committee representing the government, and Mr. Dent has been there representing the Legislature's ordinary Members. We have known for some time that this arrangement may need to be revisited, so that can be discussed in some context, as well.

You bring up the question of whether the Metis had been adequately dealt with or not. I know one of the Members of the committee, Mr. Dent , had raised the issue of whether municipalities are being treated adequately, or not, in this process. Whatever process we set up, it is my view, this community of political leaders is charged with overseeing the constitutional process much in the same way that the Constitutional Alliance had some years ago. We are one Member, or Members, of this committee not chairing it, not directing it, just being a part of it. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I should correct the Minister, it is not the Metis Association, I believe it is the Metis Nation. They changed their name well over a year ago. Mr. Speaker, with all due respect to the Gwich'in and the Sahtu Tribal Council, the Deh Cho, the Dene and the Metis, I am trying to ask a question to the Minister. This Minister is in charge of Aboriginal Affairs, he is basically responsible for Intergovernmental Affairs.

He is trying to ensure that we have a package for the western Arctic, and I am basically going to outright ask him, where and when in the process do elected M.L.A.s become involved in developing this package for this Legislative Assembly? Currently, it is being done by the political leaders without the consideration of the M.L.A.s' comments, on whether we think the Working Towards a Common Future document is good, bad, acceptable, or non-acceptable.

So, I would like to ask the Minister when will he take the time to allow M.L.A.s to express their comments regarding that document?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the work plan is in a very rough draft form, which, I think, is what the Member has in her hands. All of the Members of the political committee are going to voice their views on the context, the content, and the outline, of that paper as it is written. Following that, if there is sufficient reason to believe most of the Members are in line with it, then it will go to, I think, a committee meeting, and it would be discussed. I think if the Member wants, I can table a final draft that is going to go to the next meeting of political leaders for discussion, as a way to get input from the Members, then that is what we can do.

The fact is, right now, this Legislature is the one that has the dollars to continue the process, or to shut it down, because the submission is going to be made to this Legislature. I think, if the Member wants input at this stage, and she wants to do it here in the Legislature, then that is fine.

It is rather awkward because, as I say, the last submission that was made by this group was made directly to this Legislature, and it was abruptly approved with dispatch, as somebody said last week. I am not certain that this is the process for it, but I have no difficulty with the suggestion, and I would be prepared to do it. I just do not want to get into a debate with Members about what the process should be.

We are trying to go with the flow, and I think give them whatever comfort we can, to let them make suggestions on how the work should be done on the next phase, or how they think phase two of the constitutional development of the territories should proceed, the western territories. Let us say, that it is not Members of the eastern Arctic who are going to watch, with some interest, because it will not directly affect them, but they know that people will come cap in hand to this Legislature for the money. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Aboriginal Rights and Constitutional Development if he, or any of his Cabinet colleagues, have received any documents that were to be forwarded, or considered by Cabinet, to outline the direction, and establish a policy, to guide the discussions and negotiations on the community transfer initiatives?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the implementation plan and paper that described the approach this government wishes to take in regard to community transfer initiatives is being finalized to go to Cabinet, I believe, this week. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary. Can the Minister indicate whether or not he received any previous documents that were, in fact, intended to be brought forward and considered by Cabinet, other than the one that is being proposed for this week?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the fact is, in my earlier statement, I forgot to mention that the paper that is being prepared this week, will go to the working group made up of the Premier , myself, Mr. Antoine , and Mr. Koe , as was anticipated and expected by this Legislature.

Following that, if there is an agreement, it will go to Cabinet, and once approved, it will land in this Legislature as it was requested.

There are other papers that have been developed. None of them have gotten anywhere close to Cabinet, yet. They all have been reviewed, rewritten, changed, and regurgitated. Parts have been reworded, omitted, retitled, reorganized. New

definitions have come in, but none of them, I would say, have come anywhere close to going to Cabinet because, I think, the internal working that has been at play here. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary. Did the Minister, himself, have knowledge of those documents, and did the Minister review those documents?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, all the work that the staff within my ministry do, and the drafts, come to my desk. They bring them up for discussion. They are reviewed by other senior officials within the department, deputy ministers, people from the central agencies, and there are many drafts and rewrites, and it is safe to say, that I probably have seen them all. I do not think they are all separate documents. They have been updated, changed, and rewritten on quite a number of occasions. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For clarification, could the honourable Member indicate to me why he has indicated to this House, and the public, that there have been no documents produced, dealing with the matter of the community transfer initiatives?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if I ever did say something like that, it would simply be in the context that there has been no document that has had the approval of Cabinet, and is now in existence. It was probably the context in which I would have made such a statement. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am a little concerned that, perhaps, a misunderstanding may have been left in the minds of some Members in this House with one of the answers we heard earlier, to a question by Mrs. Marie-Jewell . So, my question to the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Constitutional Development is, is the Minister not aware that my presence on the Committee of Political Leaders is to represent only four Members of this Legislature, and not all the ordinary Members.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, when the Constitutional Alliance was formed back in 1981, I think, it was a view at that time that the aboriginal organizations of the territories would represent the aboriginal people, and that the role of the Legislature would be to represent the general public, and specifically, the non-aboriginal residents of the Northwest Territories.

When the Constitutional Alliance folded about two or three years ago, there was really nothing to replace it, but in trying to keep up with whatever momentum we had left, there was some resurrection of interest, which resulted in the establishment of a commission some time ago, it was an informal arrangement at the time. There were two people, two M.L.A.s or, a Minister and an M.L.A. would sit on the Committee of Political Leaders, and that was sort of negotiated, and accepted, by the political leaders, at that time.

The Member is correct that he is, in fact, there to reassure the non-aboriginal M.L.A.s, that their interests will be represented. The possibility is there for that, but, in fact, we are looking, also, for the larger public interest here.

This is a very informal arrangement. There is no Constitution, no rules, other than just a political agreement that we who gather together under the title of the Committee of Political Leaders will accept that we are, in the absence of anybody else right now, choosing to work together to work on political and constitutional issues of all people of the western territory.

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Question O838-12(2): Requests For Search Of Missing Medical Patients

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of Health . Mr. Speaker, the medical patients, in the church project which was started by church people from the N.W.T., who were sent south for medical treatments, particularly for the treatment of T.B., some never returned. Often the families of those people never knew where, when, or even if they died.

Mr. Speaker, although this project was terminated in March, 1991, the department stated that they would continue to investigate requests for information from lost families' members.

Could the Minister tell me if the department has received any further requests since the project was terminated, and whether those requests are being investigated? Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, the answer is yes to both questions. Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Those people buried down south, have been listed, there is about 68 Inuit buried there. How long have those lists been available to people, are there limited years that information is available?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, a great deal of work has been done by the Department of Health. This was an initiative of the previous Minister, Madam Cournoyea.

Quite a lot of information has been discovered, although, unfortunately, some of the requests did result in a lack of information about some of those patients. Mr. Speaker, to answer the Member's questions, I believe that where information has been gathered, it should continue to be made available, readily by the department, to those persons who are anxious to get information about patients who got lost in the south.

As far as I am concerned, there should be no time limit on responses to requests for information, especially if that is information already in hand. There should be no time limit. Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That means that those people who died, in the early 1950s, 1960s, and even 1970s, if the family requests that the body, or coffin, be moved to their communities, are they still available? Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, as I understand this program, it was designed to get information to families about what might have happened to a patient that left the north, in a situation where a family lost touch with that patient.

As I understood the program, it was to provide information about what became of that patient. Mr. Speaker, it was never a part of the program to bury deceased persons in the north, or to move the deceased from the south to the north. The program was only to let families know what became of those patients, where contact was lost. That was never part of the program, therefore, it has never been available. Unless the program changes, that particular service would not be available in the future under this program. It is an information program. Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

My final supplementary, this program was started because those families were still hunting for their relatives, even if they had died. Now, a lot of families have found out where they are buried. Today, they are asking if the body is still there. In 1950s, they could not afford to request the body be brought back at that time. Today, they may wish to, and can afford to bring the body back. Is the body still there, so that they can bring that body back to their communities? Does the Minister know if those bodies are still available? Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I would be glad to assist the Member in getting an answer to that question, if he could give me specific information about which family is concerned, and which patient. I would be glad to try to answer those questions, and I understand what the question is. I would be glad to assist. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for Energy, Mines, and Petroleum Resources to confirm that when we closed on Friday, she proceeded to a mines conference in the Yukon?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, on Sunday, September 20, at 10 o'clock, I left for the meeting in Whitehorse, and spent the day and evening at the meeting. After the evening meeting, which concluded at 9:30 a.m., we got back on the plane at 10:30 p.m. to return to Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister whether she took the opportunity, while she was at this meeting, to explain to Mr. Epp, the Minister responsible for Mining, if she had the opportunity to discuss with him the concerns that we have here in this city about the whole mining business, and to use his good offices to explain the seriousness of it to his Cabinet colleagues.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, when I brought up the issue in broad terms to the meeting that evening, after the conclusion of the meeting, I spent about 45 minutes with Mr.

Jake Epp talking about this particular thing, and this is the topic we talked about mostly, and how he should be using his offices to bring the situation to the attention of the other colleagues on our behalf.

We had a long discussion, he committed himself to do that, and apparently today, there was a conference telephone call between various Ministers responsible, and he was on the telephone in that conference call which, I understand, has just been concluded a few minutes ago. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Renewable Resources . I have noticed that during the last several summers, we have been having an increasing population of bison in my constituency, and the municipality itself, on the road to the airport, even in the airport. I have just been reading an article, written by Kevin Lloyd, a native person, in which he states that irregardless of whether they are brucellosis free or tuberculosis free, they could still contract that disease.

I would like to ask the Minister whether or not there are any plans --- oh, by the way, I got your can of muskox meat -- any plans to maybe put some kind of control over where these bison are roaming. Are there any plans?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since the bison in the Mackenzie Bison Sanctuary are disease free, we have established a zone, we call it a bison free zone, where, if we see a buffalo, the buffalo will be terminated, if it is possible. That buffalo zone is across the lake, across from Fort Providence. We noticed, starting last spring, that the buffalo are moving inland from the Falaise Lake area closer to the Fort Providence community because of the high water this year, and they are looking for a field where they can feed.

Also, because of the reconstruction of the highway, widening of the right of way, that promotes new feeding grounds for bison, which has been a problem. Also, I am looking at legislation change so that the quota might be increased from 40 up to 60, and also, I am looking at, for Fort Providence people only, a legislation change that would allow them to harvest bison northwest of the highway. Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question O840-12(2): Plans To Control Bison

Question O840-12(2): Plans To Control Bison

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1041

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the response that the Minister has given me, however, there is a problem right now with the bison roaming into the community itself. The access road to the community have bison roaming in there, the airport also have bison roaming in those areas and increasingly, Mr. Speaker, the bison have been going toward the Mackenzie River, so that you see them all along the highways and the winter crossings.

Increasingly, they are probably going to be going to the other side and getting themselves shot. My main concern is with regard to the immediate surrounding of Fort Providence in which there are a substantial number. I would like to ask the Minister if they have done any preventative programs so that they do not have to be seen in the immediate area.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I recognize the problem and, it is a problem. I heard the other day that the power plant operator woke up in the morning and there were two bison on his lot he had to "shoo" away before he got out of his driveway. Yes, it is a real problem that bison are going into the airport, and also on the access road to Fort Providence. What I have asked the department to do, is look at prescribed burnings so that the habitat could be improved in other areas further from the community of Fort Providence.

They have tried, along with the community involvement, to burn an area, but the weather was too cold. So, Mr. Speaker, the department will try to do that again in the spring. Plus, I would like to say that I will work with the community, and also the Member for that community, to see how we could solve that particular problem. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. New question, Mr. Gargan .

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Question O841-12(2): Plans To Upgrade Mackenzie Highway

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1041

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, during the last several weeks I have been travelling back and forth between here and Fort Providence and I have also been doing my share of driving there, and it gets me muddy mad at the conditions...

---Laughter

...at the conditions in which the road is in. I realize that we did have several months of rain and snow, and that has caused a dangerous situation. But, last weekend, when I went to Providence, I have a four wheel drive, and I practically got stuck in a

section in which there was six inches of mud that you had to go through. The Minister did indicate that in 1987, or 1985, I think, he would be working on that

section of it. That is fine, really. I am happy that something is gong to be done in the future.

My main concern is what is going to be done, now, with regard to the condition of the road, in that particular section, that is between Chan Lake, and Birch Creek.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I could suggest to Members that the word "bloody" is considered to be an unparliamentary ...

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Muddy...

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Now that it has been clarified, for the Members' edification, in case anyone is interested, bloody is unparliamentary. Mr. Minister.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, indeed, the road was muddy over the last several days, and particularly the last week, because of the snow and rain we have been having on the highway, and that section, that the Member so accurately describes is, indeed, a problem area, Mr. Speaker.

It is subject to reconstruction in the next couple of years. It is the area that I think is referred to as Birch Lake/Birch Creek. It floods annually because of its low nature. It has two large eskers on either end of it, it is a natural flow-way for water, and it has been a problem as a tremendous amount of reconstruction has to take place in there.

In the meantime, I think in the past year, a lot of fill has been put in there to try and stabilize it, and indeed, at one point dikes had been built to keep the water from flowing across the road. This is, perhaps, what the Member is referring to.

We will ensure that as soon as the road is dry enough, we will have the graders in there to prepare as best we can for winter, before it freezes.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you. In future, I will muddy well pay attention.

---Laughter

Mr. Gargan .

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Question O841-12(2): Plans To Upgrade Mackenzie Highway

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of my concerns, Mr. Speaker, is after this, the muddy condition could cause an accident which might be bloody. So, that is my main concern.

Mr. Speaker, when you get to that

section of the road, you cannot control a vehicle, so if there are oncoming vehicles, and you do get out of control, there could be an accident. That is my main concern. It is muddy now, but perhaps if they covered it with gravel to eliminate that condition, it may help you to control your vehicle better. It was difficult for me to control my vehicle when I was passing other vehicles, and that is a dangerous situation to be in.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1042

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware of the situation that the Member is presenting, and I will endeavour to get more specific details as to the exact location, if it is indeed the one we are describing, and see what can be done to have a layer of gravel put on before winter comes along.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Time for oral questions has elapsed. Item 6, written questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Mr. Clerk.

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Return To Written Question 38-12(2): Statistics On N.W.T. Power Corporation

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

Page 1042

Clerk Of The House

Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Speaker, return to written question 38-12(2), asked by Mr. Nerysoo , is to the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Power Corporation , concerning statistics on the Northwest Territories Power Corporation.

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Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

Page 1042

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, petitions. Item 10, reports of standing and special committees. Item 11, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 12, tabling of documents. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the committee, I would like to table Tabled Document 97-12(2), which is a letter to the Right Honourable Brian Mulroney, dated September 23, 1992, concerning the Giant Mine strike. Thank you.

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Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Page 1042

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 12, tabling of documents. Item 13, notices of motion. Item 14, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 15, motions. Item 16, first reading of bills. Item 17, second reading of bills.

Item 18, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters: tabled document 9-12(2), Strength at Two Levels; tabled document 10-12(2), Reshaping Northern Government; tabled document 62-12(2), Report on Northwest Territories Operations at Expo '92 as at May 31, 1992; tabled document 70-12(2), "The Justice House" Report of the Special Advisor on Gender Equality; motion 6, Discussion on Sobriety Clause in Contribution Agreements; committee report 10-12(2), Special Committee on Constitutional Reform Report on the Multilateral Conference on the Constitution; committee report 17-12(2), Report on the Review of the 1992/93 Main Estimates; committee report 18-12(2), Multilateral Meetings on the Constitution and First Ministers' - Aboriginal Leaders' Conferences on the Constitution; Bill 9,

an Act to Amend the Insurance Act ; Bill 31,

an Act to Amend the Student Financial Assistance Act ; Bill 33 , Appropriation Act No. 2, 1992-93; Minister's statement 82-12(2), Update on National Constitutional Reform Negotiations, with Mr. Ningark in the Chair.

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 1042

The Chair

John Ningark

Thank you, the committee will now come to order. I understand we are dealing in committee with Bill 33 , Appropriation Act No. 2, 1992-93. We are also dealing with committee report 17-12(2), tabled on September 14, 1992, and we were dealing with the Department of Education yesterday, when we concluded that department. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to suggest that we deal with committee report 17-12(2), and Bill 33 , Appropriation Act No. 2, 1992-93 and proceed to dealing with the Department of Culture and Communications.

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . You suggest that in that order, right? Thank you. We will be proceeding with the committee report 17-12(2), Bill 33 and Department of Culture and Communications, in that order.

We shall take a short recess before we proceed.

---SHORT RECESS

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 1042

The Chair

John Ningark

I would like to remind each Member of the House, that during the proceeding of the committee of the whole, no Member shall speak for more than ten minutes at any one time. This is a rule of the Legislative Assembly,

section 88(1). This is in order to give each Member a chance to speak to the item on the table.

We are proceeding with the 1992-93 main estimates and the Department of Culture and Communications, page 05-11. A book has been appropriately provided for each Member. Mr. Minister, would you like to make an opening statement? Introductory Remarks, Department Of Culture And Communications

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 1043

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to introduce the 1992-93 operation and maintenance budget for Culture and Communications.

Although consolidation is proceeding to establish the new Department responsible for Education, Culture and Employment Programs, at this stage two separate budgets for Culture and Communications, and Education are being presented to this Assembly.

In the case of the Culture and Communications, there are two areas which appear in the budget now, but are scheduled for transfer to other Ministries. Those are the publications and production activities, which is transferring to the new Department responsible for Public Works and Government Services. The official languages task of directorate is being transferred to the Executive. I will retain responsibility for all other culture programs.

Mr. Chairman, the budget presented for Culture and Communications, is directed at preserving, promoting, developing official languages, northern culture and the arts, and improving broadcast communications in the Northwest Territories.

To achieve this, we are seeking a budget of $10.665 million, and 100 PYs. This is a reduction of $701,000, and 1.9 PYs from last year, before the transfers and reductions from the departmental consolidation.

One actual transfer is reflected in the Culture and Communications budget. The government library task has been transferred from Culture and Communications to the Legislative Assembly in 1992-93.

Funding person years, and comparative figures for the government library, now appear in the Legislative Assembly estimates. The combining of government and legislative library operations will increase efficiency by utilizing professional staff more effectively.

One of the major achievements in public library services, last year, was the completion and opening of the new Baffin Regional Library facility as part of the Unikkaarvik Centre in Iqaluit. The centre successfully combines a visitors centre, local library, and regional library service. The 1992-93 budget includes funds for additional staffing at the Unikkaarvik Centre to provide improved service to Iqaluit, and to the other Baffin community libraries.

This year we are developing a policy that will give the highest priority to a sharing of space with schools or other suitable community facilities when new libraries are required.

Community participation in both facility planning and operational procedures, is being encouraged to ensure that libraries, and the delivery of library services, are designed to serve the needs of the general public; as well as more specific education needs. Our new consolidated department offers good opportunities for more efficient programming in this area.

Mr. Chairman, in addition to providing basic interpreting and translating services to the government and the Legislative Assembly, our language bureau made important gains last year in properly documenting aboriginal language terminologies. Terminology workshops were held in the Kitikmeot, Fort McPherson, Fort Good Hope, Rae-Edzo and Hay River. Language specialists, and elders, were sponsored to develop terminology that is acceptable for translating purposes. The goal is to improve the accuracy of interpreting and translating, by involving fluent speakers of the languages in establishment of terminology banks that are used by our interpreter/translators, and made available to others.

Following up on the work done last year, during 1992-93, we will be able to transmit documents in the aboriginal orthographies between computers in all government regional offices. This will allow us to speedily maximize the use of the translators, depending on their current workload, wherever they are located.

During the year ahead, the department will also continue to support the interpreter/translator society of the N.W.T. with its initiative to develop standard competency tests for aboriginal languages interpreters. High priority is placed on the development and implementation of certification standards for interpreters, and our new consolidated department will facilitate a coordinated approach in this area.

Less money in this year's budget will cost the language bureau to concentrate more on its primary mandate, and it will be offering less services in kind to non-government organizations. There will be less travel and contracting, with trimming in this area done proportionately more at Yellowknife than in the regions.

The museum developed a new data base for Northwest Territories graphic names, which will be used to obtain official recognition of our traditional place names. The department is also developing a geographic names contribution program, which we plan to introduce this year. This program will provide financial assistance for researchers in the communities, to provide the information on aboriginal geographic names. The funding for this is available through the Official Languages Agreement with the federal government.

Mr. Chairman, there is growing demand from the culture and arts community for assistance to promote, protect, and enhance, our culture and heritage. We continue to believe that it is important to get that support out to the people who can better achieve those goals.

Last year, we were able to provide about $500,000 in grants and contributions to cultural organizations, and individuals, throughout the N.W.T. Arts Council. Another $219,000 was provided to support various artistic endeavours.

In the year ahead, we will be more stringent in monitoring cultural grants and contributions, to ensure that the funds are being used for the intended purposes. Since restraint has meant some trimming in this area, we will make a special effort to assist clients with information about other funding program resources and how to access them, and with ideas for fund raising for private and voluntary sectors.

Mr. Chairman, when Television Northern Canada went on the air for the first time in January, it was a proud moment for all northern residents, and also for our own television and radio service division. They had worked hand in hand with the aboriginal broadcasters, and our partners in the Yukon Government, to create the new service for northerners.

Not only were our efforts critical in the planning and the development stages of T.V.N.C., but we are playing an important role in ensuring that there is a good mix of educational and informational programming on the new network.

In the year ahead, we plan to continue providing the youth oriented series, "The Tube", to T.V.N.C. This show reflects the positive side of living and growing up in the north, profiling successful young people, cultural camps, sporting events, as well as serious topics, such as staying in school, and dealing with alcohol problems.

The department will also be coordinating the provision of nine hours a week of programming from all areas of the G.N.W.T., including regional and acquired materials, and materials co-produced with aboriginal broadcasters and the private sector.

Aboriginal language funding provides aboriginal language versions of acquired programs in Inuktitut, North and South Slavey, Dogrib, Ojibwayan and Gwich'in. Mr. Chairman, a significant part of Culture and Communication funding is through the Cooperation Agreement on Official Languages this government has with the federal Secretary of State.

In 1992-93 the Culture and Communications' share of this funding is $3.219 million. This includes $2.522 million and 22 PYs related to aboriginal languages, and $1.687 million and 15 PYs related to French. The great majority of this funding will remain in the new consolidated Department responsible for Education, Culture and Employment Programs with approximately $675,000 scheduled for transfer to the Executive.

In addition to providing the necessary internal government requirements during 1992-93, funding under this agreement