Debates of Feb. 26th, 1997

This is page numbers 879 - 917 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Recognition Of Aboriginal Community Governments

National Child Benefit

Training Northern Ferry Captains

Public Housing Rental Policy

Work Performed At Fox 2 Station

Affirmative Action

Employment Changes After Division

Kids Help Phone Bowlathon

Unofficial Affirmative Action Policy

Plan 2000

Affirmative Action Policy

Support For Roberta Vaneltsi

Rules And Procedures Of The Legislative Assembly

Need For All People To Work Together

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Rent Scale For Social Housing

Funding For Outpost Camps

Plan 2000

Government Privatization Policy

Plan 2000

Unpaid Work From Fox 2 Program

Affirmative Action

Funding For Winter Festivities

Plan 2000

Critical Housing Shortage

Communications Strategy

Plan 2000

Public Sources For Infrastructure Funding

Assets Available For Sale

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Return To Written Question 12-13(4): Ministerial Authorities

Item 10: Petitions

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation To Return Funding For The NWT Arctic Tourism Association To Historical Levels

Recommendation To Ensure A More Equitable Distribution Of Oil And Gas Consultant Funding

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 62-13(4): Recognition Of Aboriginal Community Governments

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Than you, Mr. Speaker. On February 4, 1997, I met with members of the Aboriginal Summit together with my Cabinet colleague, the Honourable Jim Antoine . The purpose of this meeting was to discuss a number of issues of mutual concern. During the course of our discussions an issue emerged regarding the extent to which the Government of the Northwest Territories recognizes band councils and Metis locals.

Mr. Speaker, it was suggested that it would be useful if I could clarify the government's position for the public record regarding our recognition of community aboriginal governments. I agreed to do so. It is for that purpose that I stand to make this statement today. Mr. Speaker, I would like to state firmly and clearly that the Government of the Northwest Territories recognizes the band councils, Metis locals and Inuvialuit community corporations of the communities as institutions of aboriginal governance. Indeed, these institutions are the current structures of self-government.

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Minister's Statement 62-13(4): Recognition Of Aboriginal Community Governments

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 63-13(4): National Child Benefit

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week the federal Finance Minister announced the National Child Benefit. This program will provide families whose income falls below a certain level with a benefit for each child under the age of 18. It will combine federal tax credits and low-income benefits into a single initiative to reduce child poverty. The program will ensure income support levels for children whose parents choose to work are not reduced. The announcement enables each province and territory to begin talks with the federal government to identify how each jurisdiction's income support programs will merge with the national program.

The Department of Education, Culture and Employment will be the territorial government's lead department in negotiations with the federal government, working in co-operation with the Departments of Finance and Health and Social Services. The two major issues facing us are: ensuring that the high cost of living in the north is taken into account when the income levels for the program are set, and determining how to re-invest income support money that is freed up through the program. This re-investment plan will focus on approved programs directed at children, such as early intervention and child care, as well as work incentives for parents.

Mr. Speaker, negotiations with the federal government, and a draft program design, should be finished by June. The federal, provincial and territorial Ministers responsible for social services have agreed to release information in the spring that will focus on how the program will be designed, as well as other issues. A process for national public feedback will be proposed.

The National Child Benefit Program is proposed to start July 1, 1998. However, the federal government, provinces and territories are working hard to advance this date. I note also that the federal government will increase the working income supplement on July 1 of this year as an interim measure. At this point, we are not sure how the National Child Benefit will impact northerners. Education, Culture and Employment staff will be keeping track of the program as it evolves to assess the benefits for Northwest Territories residents.

Income support reform in the Northwest Territories is based on the principle that people should be better off working than collecting income support. The National Child Benefit is intended to help level the playing field between income support recipients and the working poor. I will keep the Assembly informed of progress on this initiative in the coming months. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 63-13(4): National Child Benefit

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 64-13(4): Training Northern Ferry Captains

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to tell the Members of the success the Department of Transportation's marine services division is having in training northerners as captains on our ferries. By regulation, the people who operate our public ferries must be fully qualified ship's captains holding a Master of Minor Waters certificate issued by Transport Canada. In the past, the department's ferry contractors could only find properly qualified captains in southern Canada on the east and west coasts.

A few years ago, the marine services division began encouraging young northern deck hands, who showed promise and interest, to seek their Master of Minor Waters certification and become ferry captains.

The Pacific Marine Training College in North Vancouver, British Columbia, offers a six-week course for the Master of Minor Waters certificate. The recruit's travel, accommodation and tuition costs for the six-week course are paid for by employment insurance and matching 50/50 contribution from the Department of Transportation and our ferry contractors.

Captain Ian Leishman of Fort Providence graduated from the Pacific Marine Training College in 1995 and has since served two seasons as captain of the MV Merv Hardie at the Fort Providence crossing. Captain Mervin Simba of Kakisa earned his Master of Minor Waters in 1996 and served as relief captain last year on the Merv Hardie at Fort Providence, the Lafferty at Fort Simpson and the Johnny Berens at the Ndulee crossing.

This year, two of my constituents, Sean Cli and Steven Lenoir of Fort Simpson are at the Pacific Marine Training College and will complete the Master of Minor Waters course at the end of this month. Ron Antoine, also of Fort Simpson, entered the Marine Services training program this summer. He worked as an oiler at Fort Providence on the Merv Hardie accumulating eligible time towards certification as a marine engineer.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased with the success of the Marine Services training program in opening professional career opportunities for northerners. I am sure that Members of this House are with me in looking forward to the day when we can crew our ferries entirely with northerners and we no longer look to southern Canada for qualified personnel. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 64-13(4): Training Northern Ferry Captains

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Public Housing Rental Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to tell the Members of this House another story. This is a story about a strong woman struggling to make a good life for herself and her children. It is also a story about her illogical landlord. Years ago this woman had high hopes for the future. She got married and had four children. Then things went wrong. Her husband left her and the children. Although the courts said he had to make support payments, he never did. Rather than give up, she found a job, rented a home for her family and worked to provide a stable and healthy life for her children.

Money was always tight with seldom any extras for small treats. Still she paid her rent and kept her kids well fed and clothed. Her landlord knew about her circumstances and charged her a rent he thought that she could afford on a small income.

In November, she got sick and had to miss many days of work. Unfortunately, her boss could not afford to pay sick days but he did keep her job for her until she came back to work. Her income was much less that month. Still her landlord said he had to charge her regular rent based on what she should have made. He could not lose any money just because she had become sick. In December out of the blue, a large cheque arrived from her ex-husband. Surprised and pleased that there would be a better Christmas this year, she told her landlord about the income.

He quickly told her that her rent for that month would go up a lot because she had more income. She pleaded saying that this was the only payment received in an entire year and why was he considering all the income in one month and charging her such a high rent? But he would not relent.

Mr. Speaker, this sounds like a silly story. Unfortunately, if you are a single parent living in GNWT public housing, this is a true story. It makes no sense to me that we have a housing rent possible which penalizes you one month if you get a temporary additional income and ignores the unavoidable temporary decrease in income the next month. It also makes no sense to me that this government would penalize someone for receiving a single maintenance payment in one year. We should be looking at the circumstances of spreading that income out over the year when making a rent adjustment.

This would make the total rent adjustment much less. We need to take a hard look at the public housing rent policy in view of some of these circumstances. Some of the rules seem very unfair and inconsistent with our government's programs designed to make people more independent. Other rules penalize people for misfortunes beyond their control. Mr. Speaker, for every person like this that we hear about, there are others afraid to speak out and I do encourage the Minister to look closely at this policy and make the necessary changes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Public Housing Rental Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Work Performed At Fox 2 Station

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning colleagues. (Translation ends.) Mr. Speaker, in this House, Members show a lot of concern for language differences. Many of us from Nunavut spend a lot of time helping unilingual constituents get information and solve problems. Recently, I have been working on behalf of two people from Broughton Island. They have experienced difficulties at lest in part, because they are unilingual. I would like to share their story. In 1969, two people from Broughton Island were offered some work at the Fox 2 station.

They worked for about six weeks, shovelling and digging out 45 gallon drums and loading them on a plane. Their understanding was that the pay was going to be $100 per day. The problem is that they apparently did not receive a pay cheque for this work.

During the 1970s, Commissioner Hodgson was approached by these two people on one of his visits to their community. As a result, they were each paid $300 and told the balance would be paid once the records were located. They have heard nothing, Mr. Speaker. Although previous MLAs and many staff have tried to find the records, we cannot seem to find them.

This story points out how confusing things can get for unilingual people. I hope we can have a happy ending. Later today, I will be asking the Premier whether this government will be able to live up to the commitment made by the Commissioner so many years ago. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Work Performed At Fox 2 Station

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Affirmative Action

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you are aware, we have discussed affirmative action many times during this session. I feel that this is an important issue that should stay in the forefront of this government. Mr. Speaker, this policy has been in effect since 1985 and we still have a long way to go to reach the government's goal of 50 percent native employment. It is important that this government realizes the need to have a competent, home-grown employee base. How else can this government expect to provide its services without the understanding of the issues and the way of life our people share throughout this great land?

Mr. Speaker, what is needed to make this or any other employment policy work? I believe we must start by supporting and promoting education at all levels. We need to provide a broader education base so that all our residents can utilize the education services that are currently available. We must allow all residents access to education. As it stands presently, we do not allow any form of adult education in a number of communities. This must change.

Mr. Speaker, as my colleagues have mentioned previously, we need to teach our people the different skills required to take over the government positions. We need to provide the basic training in communities which will allow interested residents to strive for more. Mr. Speaker, I believe we can provide this which will then make this or any other employment policy redundant. It is important that we get our people educated to the level that they can take over the positions they wish, which will allow for fair and competent competition between all that apply.

Until this happens, we must strive to increase the level of native employment and reach this government's goal of 50 percent or possibly change our policy to better reflect our needs of today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Affirmative Action

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Employment Changes After Division

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in Cambridge Bay during the leadership meetings, there was, I think, some confusion over employees now employed and employees to be employed by the Nunavut government on April 1st, 1999. Mr. Speaker, the plan at the present time is to have the initial 150 positions to be hired and in place on April 1st, 1999. However, this government has reiterated time and time again, that employees working prior to April 1st, 1999 and living in Nunavut, would be still employed on April 1st, 1999. It is important to say this, Mr.

Speaker, because since the Cambridge Bay meetings, I have had numerous calls, e-mails and faxes from long-term, dedicated staff who are wondering about their future.

Mr. Speaker, while no job or position can be guaranteed in these days of reductions and fiscal clawbacks, I think it is safe to say that there will not be a major layoff of current employees prior to 1999. Mr. Speaker, all employees should be aware that a new government or employer will be in place on April 1st, 1999 and that government may decide to change job descriptions or re-profile employees. There is no anticipation that will mean current employees will be laid off en masse. This government has made that clear and I believe that it will be confirmed over the next few weeks.

Mr. Speaker, employees raising young families, purchasing homes and acquiring mortgages have been quite stressed over the past few weeks. I hope that this clarification will help put those concerned at ease. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Employment Changes After Division

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Kids Help Phone Bowlathon

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I am going to speak on behalf of my colleagues, the honourable Members, Charles Dent , Roy Erasmus and Seamus Henry , the MLAs for the city of Yellowknife. On Saturday night, we took

part in the Kids Help Phone Bowlathon, an annual event organized by the NWT 5-Pin Bowling Association. The bowlathon raises money for a national toll-free telephone service which offers counselling information and referrals to children in need 24 hours a day.

I am pleased to report this year's bowlathon was a great success. It raised $19,900. The Yellowknife MLAs raised $4,500 altogether.

-- Applause

We collected $3,000 in pledges. BHP matched our efforts at 50 cents on the dollar for a $1,500 donation.

-- Applause

Our colleague, Mr. Erasmus , deserves special mention. He alone raised $2,200 in pledges.

-- Applause

I would also like to mention Dustin Fisher, a student at Sir John Franklin High School. Dustin earned the highest score among the teams that bowled with us in the six o'clock time slot. And we were good! While we are singling out people, I would like to give a big vote of thanks to the 5-Pin Bowlers' Association, which helped raise more than $100,000 for the Helpline. Special thanks also go to the Yellowknife Elks Club which donated $25,000 to the cause. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Kids Help Phone Bowlathon

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Unofficial Affirmative Action Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The issue of affirmative action has been a topic of some discussion in the past few days. I would like to briefly discuss a highly successful affirmative action program, though completely unofficial, one that has been with us for decades in this government. It is very effective, Mr. Speaker, because it services about 10 percent or less of the population. It is worked to the exclusion of many other groups, groups like the aboriginal people, groups like grown-in-the-north northerners and women.

Mr. Speaker, this group of less than 10 percent of our population, through this unofficial affirmative action, has managed to maintain at least 70 percent of all senior management positions in this government. Mr. Speaker, I am speaking about that group of people known as middle-aged non-aboriginals or white guys. Mr. Speaker, this is a very, very influential fraternity and a very closed fraternity. When I say that, I would like to demonstrate an example. Of the 18 deputy minister level positions, 16 of them are in this category. There is one woman and one aboriginal person at the deputy minister level by my calculations.

Mr. Speaker, when you have this kind of affirmative action policy, though it is unofficial and you are in a position to help design the structures of government at the municipal level, at the territorial level, you are also in a position to write policies and regulations, job descriptions and influence hiring. We have to ask the question as we look at our own affirmative action policy, where has it gone wrong and what can we learn from this unofficial affirmative action program?

Mr. Speaker, it is my contention that it is because of this kind of unofficial affirmative action policy that people of the north have grown very, very frustrated. I think it is one of the reasons that has driven people to embrace self-government so eagerly. It is one of the reasons that the people of Nunavut want to set up their own government that they would control. When we look at re-designing our affirmative action, northern job strategy, we have to take a page from this book. Our political direction is only as good as those who implement it, Mr.

Speaker, and we have to have a senior management that is representative of the people it serves if we are going to have substantial change. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Unofficial Affirmative Action Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Plan 2000

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation recently rose to announce Plan 2000. This is a plan to provide housing to 2,000 more families by the year 2000. On the surface, this seems like a laudable effort. I was intrigued by the announcement that went on to talk about the program details, in particular, on the enhanced down payment assistance program. What I saw did not make me happy. It also did not make me happy to hear the Minister say in a radio interview that households with incomes between $50,000 and $90,000 would be eligible for assistance.

Mr. Speaker, we talk about empowering people but we develop programs which encourage dependence on government. We are making people dumb. We are teaching them they cannot manage on their own. We have to help them. What kind of a message does this program send to the many middle income families who have bought their homes the old-fashioned way by earning the down payment themselves? As a government, we talk about developing a private sector economy, then we create a program which totally disrupts the natural development of the economy.

birth rate. This government knows the birth rate is out of control, yet it does not do anything about it other than build more housing.

Mr. Speaker, the funds proposed to be expended on this new program should be put into programs that will modify and teach responsible attitudes in the NWT and encourage parents to know that the government cannot continue to support the high birth rate until we have an effective wage economy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Plan 2000

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Affirmative Action Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Qujannamiik. I have heard many opinions in this House on the affirmative action policy. I believe we need the affirmative action policy. I agree that the current policy has maybe not had the results we would want. The levels of employment of aboriginal and Inuit people are still not representative of the general population. However, Mr. Speaker, without this policy, there would be even fewer Inuit people in the workforce in my area. The people in my region are very capable of doing the jobs that need to be done. It is true that many people do not have a lot of formal education.

Inuit people recognize this and are trying to upgrade their education. Young people are staying in school and getting their grade 12. Adults are returning to college to improve their skills. Education is only a piece. A person's experience, approach to life and knowledge of local customs and values are very important for being successful as a GNWT employee.

Mr. Speaker, Inuit people without a lot of education may bring a wealth of practical experience to the job. In Nunavut, we hope to have Inuit people represented in the new government. The affirmative action policy is providing the starting point. We cannot abandon it now. We must find ways to improve it, to increase the willingness of employers to recognize the life experience of Inuit people in the hiring process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Affirmative Action Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Support For Roberta Vaneltsi

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stood in the House several weeks ago, pledging support for my colleagues and the people of the north for an individual who is seeking custody of her children in the Czech Republic. Roberta Vaneltsi was born and raised in Fort McPherson. Roberta has not seen her children since July 1994, after they were abducted by their father and taken to the Czech Republic. Her story was told last week on CBC North. I am hoping that all of you loyal fans out there have caught the program.

Roberta is presently seeking funds to go to the Czech Republic, as she has now received a court date of April 25th, 1997 for those proceedings in Brunn, a city of 500,000 people in the south of the Czech Republic. Roberta needs $5,000 for travel, legal costs and also to help her case in court. She is presently booking her airfares and also has arranged for friends in Prague who will drive her, along with her lawyer, to Brunn for the trial and hearing.

I am asking my colleagues in this House and I am also asking Mr. Erasmus to be on my fund-raising team, since he has got it down pat, to make an attempt to contribute. The Gwich'in Tribal Council and the people in Mackenzie Delta are presently making pledges. So I call upon my colleagues and the people of the north to make pledges also. They can contact Robert Alexi (403) 979-4869, he will be able to give you Roberta's address and also her bank accounts so that you may make your contributions through that process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Rules And Procedures Of The Legislative Assembly

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 883

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the proceedings of the Legislative Assembly are based on a long parliamentary history. The rules and procedures associated with the Assembly are in place for many reasons: To ensure all Members can fairly represent their constituents, to support the expression of alternative views on issues, to foster respect among the Members and to allow for a range of issues to be heard and discussed. One difficulty with any set of rules is that they often need to be clarified, as it this case with the Assembly and its rules. Mr.

Speaker, over the last few months many Members have raised a flurry of points where the rules and procedures have needed to be more clearly defined. We have touched on many issues from the conflict of interest to inappropriate use of common slang phrases, from shirt collars and neckties to the conduct of business.

Mr. Speaker, I have appreciated your patience as you have provided many rulings clarifying the appropriate decorum, discussion and dress to maintain the dignity of this House. I hope we have addressed all the areas which need to be clarified. We should now be able to concentrate our attention on addressing the issues that are important to our constituents and the NWT as a whole. Mr. Speaker, it costs approximately $16,000 a day to operate this legislative building. When you combine that with the critical issues that are facing us, such as division, the budget deficit and the need for job creation, Mr.

Speaker, hopefully now we can direct the time that is needed to address these critical issues in a way that we are not interrupted, so that time is duly provided for these issues.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Need For All People To Work Together

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 883

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise this morning on an area of concern. Over the last number of days, I have

heard statements in the House that concern me very much, especially when we look at the way things have happened over the last few decades. Mr. Speaker, in 1967 the government moved north to be closer to the people. With this came an influx of many different people from different lands and different parts of this country we call Canada and with them many different ideals, different from the people who were born here and lived in the Northwest Territories for generations. Mr. Speaker, those ideals did not see eye-to-eye with many people that were here before.

My concern is that people in the territories, as different as we are all over Canada, need to work together. We have to find a way of cooperating that is going to lead to success, not find a way that is going to lead to destruction, to chaos and to people just not getting along. For years we have seen an influx of people into the Territories and have helped the people of the Territories and, in some cases, have hurt the people of the Territories. There is no magic in what we can do with affirmative action or any other policy this government puts forward.

It is the people that count, not the words written on paper. As Members of this Assembly, we have to try and put forward the best part of all peoples in the Territories, not one over another and not one trying to assimilate another.

Mr. Speaker, I come from a mixed relationship. My father was a non-aboriginal and my mother was an aboriginal. I do not say one way should be over another. Instead, I see the way it needs to work together. From what I have been hearing from around this table, I see we have a long ways to go in this House and in this government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my pleasure to recognize two ladies from beautiful Pangnirtung, Geetee Maniapik and Salia Nakashuk from Tullivik Mental Health Committee. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time it gives me great pleasure to welcome the ladies from Pang and Lynn Johnson, who is a long-time family friend and the supervisor of my wife at the women's shelter in Iqaluit. Lynn is up in the back trying to hide as she always does. She likes to stay behind the scenes, but she is well known in Iqaluit as one of the most dedicated volunteers and workers for the community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Mary Storr from Aklavik Community Council Services. I would like to welcome her to the House. Welcome Mary.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time, I would like to recognize a long-time resident of Inuvik and dedicated worker, Brenda Bernhardt-MacNabb from the Inuvik Transition House.

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Page 884

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to rise and recognize Miss Stella Wasylyshyn, executive director for Sutherland House Family Violence Shelter in Fort Smith. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a pleasure today for me to recognize one of my constituents. Somebody who lives next door to me in my home, whose office is next door to mine at home and who I hardly ever see, Miss Georgina Rolt-Kaiser, the regional vice president of the Union of Northern Workers from Hay River. Thank you.

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Page 884

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to recognize Cindy Bentley, who works at the shelter in Cape Dorset in my constituency.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to recognize Margaret-Anne Tologanak and Patricia File of Saint Michael's Crisis Shelter in

Cambridge Bay in Kitikmeot and Doris Ivarluk from Kugluktuk. It also gives me great pleasure to recognize Anaoyok Alookee, of the Inuit women's group from Taloyoak. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Miss Stella Cockney, representing the Tuk crisis centre.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Evelyn Thordarson, who is with the Kataujaq Society in Rankin Inlet. Thank you.

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Page 885

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am very pleased to recognize a dedicated community worker and head of the Yellowknife Women's Centre, Arleen Hache. I would also like to recognize another Yellowknife resident, I believe she is here, Mary Beth Levan.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to recognize Edith Squirrel from Fort Providence, which is about an hour from here from by air or three hours by driving. I do not see enough people from Providence but I appreciate it. Welcome to the Assembly.

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Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 390-13(4): Rent Scale For Social Housing

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 885

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. I would like to know if the Minister could confirm for me whether or not it is true that under the current policies of the local housing authorities, it is possible for a situation to occur such as the one I outlined in my Member's statement whereby an unusual, significant amount of money could arrive for a single parent intended to be spent on their children and could in fact be absorbed as rent because it would be worked into the calculation for one single month. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the rent scale for social housing is indeed geared towards income. We do have controls that ensure there is enough money left for the family to be able to pay for food and other expenses. There are adjustments made as there are changes in income. On whether the particular example used by the Member earlier today is possible or not, I could not say. I will ask the Housing Corporation to look at it and analyze it to see if in fact it is possible.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 390-13(4): Rent Scale For Social Housing

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In this specific situation, I believe the amount of maintenance payment which arrived was approximately $700. It was the only payment received in the entire year. It was received in at the end of the year. I believe about $350 of it was required to be paid to the Housing Authority in rent. I understand the rents pay needs to reflect the person's income. Would it be possible for something such as maintenance support to be spread over a 12 month period, so as to not affect the rent payable on any one given month? Especially in December, when everyone knows that families need a little extra money.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 390-13(4): Rent Scale For Social Housing

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, rather than debating the individual cases, since I do not have the file in front of me, I will say Mr. Dent , the Minister for ECE , Mr. Ng , for Health and Social Services and I have been working over the last few weeks on trying to get better co-ordination for our subsidies for low income families which include the rent scales. We are working on improvements to the system we have. We have made a commitment to report back by July, I believe. I will ensure the suggestion made by the Member is considered.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 391-13(4): Funding For Outpost Camps

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 885

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . It is important to maintain our traditional culture and to encourage independence from relying on social programs. Some Inuit living in outpost camps do so and make their living traditionally. Earlier today, I received a letter from a member from my constituency who lives in an outpost camp. He informs me he heard on the radio funding for all outpost camps will be cut off in the new fiscal year. He is very

concerned about this possibility. These funds are used for outpost camps to purchase oil and other necessary supplies. Could the Minister indicate whether or not this is in the plans for 1997/98, to cut off those funds? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of what the individual the Member referred to thought he heard on the radio broadcast. As far as I am aware, there is no change to the funding we provide specifically for outpost camps. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 392-13(4): Plan 2000

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 886

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . Housing is one of the fundamental needs of our people. It distresses me greatly when I hear initiatives described that they will encourage them to have children indiscriminately. I was wondering, Mr. Speaker, if the Minister could clarify what I thought was a fairly proactive housing program and speak to these very damning indictments that were just made, considering the effort in the kind of resources we are trying to focus to meet considerable housing shortage somewhere in the neighbourhood of 3000 housing units. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I too was disturbed by the comments by one of the Members this morning. The only comments I would make is that it is the intention of the Housing Corporation, in a small way, to try to meet the severe housing shortage we have, the overcrowding, the lack of housing, and the poor conditions of the houses in our communities. If you travel to the smaller communities, especially in the remoter regions, what you will find is something totally different than what you see here in Yellowknife. I think the comments made this morning were uncalled for and not factual to what we are trying to do.

The initiative we presented as a plan will in fact help 2000 lower to middle income families who can afford the cost of running a house and some mortgage payments, the ability to be more self-reliant, to own their own homes, to pay for their own bills, and thus freeing up the social housing they are occupying now to be used by those in more severe need.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister indicate whether they have a clear idea of the number of public housing units that may be freed up? Is it one for one? Can the Minister indicate what the hope is? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, we now have almost 6000 public housing units. I believe the number is around 5800. In the last few years, through the Housing Corporation programs, we built about 1,200 new houses, which have freed up probably half of that number. I would qualify that by saying that I would need to check those numbers. Of the additional 1400, 40 new houses we will build in the next three years, I would hope that would free up half of that number again to be used by those in more need.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, could the Minister indicate whether they have any idea whether there is any kind of coalition between home ownership and indiscriminate production of children? Was that a concern of this department when they were coming up with this program, that in fact there would be a down side? Thank you.

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Mr. Speaker, short answer for that is no. It was not part of our consideration.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate the time lines for this program? I know there have been press releases and such. Could he indicate when he anticipates this program will start and people can start getting the benefit of possibly being home owners for the first time? Thank you.

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Mr. Speaker, we are starting immediately. The application process has been going on for quite some time. We have a backlog of people who would like to own their own homes and who could use the assistance. All over the territories we have started the process and the actual shipping and building of houses will start in the next four to six months.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . On Monday, February 4, according to the unedited Hansard, I asked the Minister in charge of privatization: "what policy or direction this government was following on privatization?" From the unedited Hansard, Mr. Kakfwi said "there is a Cabinet direction given on privatization." From the same Hansard after I had asked for a copy of this Cabinet direction, the Speaker said, "I would like to remind Members regarding questions it says that a question must not seek information about matters which are secret, such as decisions or proceedings of Cabinet." Mr.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Cabinet decision papers and decisions made in Cabinet are not for public consumption. They are not to be discussed in this House. They are confidential and that is how they are handled. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do know a little bit about the rules. I read the rule book as it were. I know the directions and discussions of the Cabinet are secret. My question is different. My question is if there is a policy on privatization and the only policy that is on our book that is public is from 1985, in various times over the past few weeks, myself, Mr. Ootes , and some other Members brought this up. We do not really know if we are following that policy because they say it is redundant and then they quote from it.

I am asking how do I know what privatization scheme we are following, if we are following correctly, if I cannot see a policy or if I can see something written down? If it says for example, Mr. Speaker, we are selling off 15 glasses at $2.00 a glass, then that becomes public knowledge and we can check if we are selling those glasses at $2.00 a glass. My question is will the Premier be coming up with a policy within Cabinet, so privatization schemes with this government, which affects every resident of the Northwest Territories, is public so we can look at it and see if it is being followed?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a policy on the books, I believe it is back in 1985. The policy in general is being followed and part of that policy says in Cabinet direction, the Cabinet can have direction and initiative, and that is what we have done. We made it very clear to the privatization initiative of our government what direction we have taken. It is my job as Premier to make sure the Ministers follow the direction. I am doing that. What else can I say to the Member? Thank you.

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Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I do not want to get into a debate. It would be very difficult for me to know if the direction is being followed if I do not know what the direction is and I cannot see it. I referred back to the 1985 policy. I tabled it in the House so we could discuss that policy. The policy does not outline in broad strokes what you would do for privatization. Will the Minister tell us what is up for grabs for privatization? What different areas, other than the two that we are aware of at the present time, POL and property management, are under the privatization, so we can see where this idea is coming from?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would hope the Member would not be thinking this House or the Members of this Legislative Assembly are scheming. We have government initiatives and government direction. It has been through this House and it has had the support of the Members of this Legislative Assembly and the privatization initiatives of this government. Any Cabinet decision that is made is transformed into policies and the policies themselves are for the public. With that, Mr. Speaker, I hope it answers the Member's question. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not seeing boogey-men, I am not trying to create a crisis. I do not see conspiracies. All I am asking for is to see the policy. The Premier just told me they follow the policy and when the policies of this government are being followed, they are made public. When is he going to show me this privatization policy for 1997, not the one from 1985 that they were not talking about until I tabled it in the House, and then he said we are looking at it but they really are not because it is a new direction. We still do not know.

When is he going to table this new policy and bring that forward for the people of the Northwest Territories to see? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member himself has tabled the policy on privatization that is on the books of this government right now. He has seen it. We have made a commitment to this Legislative Assembly that we will be looking at revising existing policies that are on the books as well as rights. We will be doing that. As soon as we finish that work, I am sure the Member will look forward to seeing it. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Housing in regards to the Housing 2000 program. I would like to ask the Minister, in regards to the distribution of these units, is there some sort of formula that has been worked out in regards to distributing these houses in communities in need or is it going to be a regional distribution, east/west distribution or where there is a real estate market, where there might not be need for that many houses because of the influx on that real estate market? Have you looked at these aspects of the distribution of those units? Thank you.

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Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, there is a combination of two ways that we will be distributing these houses. One, the primary one, and as always, is the need of each individual community, the number of applicants and those that are eligible. That number will be combined with the relative need of that community. That is to say a small community which has an urgent need for a small number of houses will be treated as fairly as a larger community with a need for a bigger number of houses. We will ensure that each community gets its fair share.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the distribution, I would like to ask the Minister, do they have numbers in relation to how this distribution is going to work, especially in relation to the smaller communities versus the larger centres? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

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Mr. Speaker, what I can provide the Member is a distribution list of houses that we were planning to build for this year using the existing programs. That will give you an indication of what the distribution will be like. Although the difference would be with this new program, there will be more houses built. I will ensure that the Member gets that listing. The final list will depend on the number of eligible applicants from each community, but I would think because we will have more applicants than the packages that we can offer, we will end up ensuring each community is given its fair share based on its relative need.

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David Krutko

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The whole question of need, will the Minister also consider looking at the number of individuals who have been on waiting lists for a number of years with their applications, to access these units in which, in some cases as in my riding I believe, in the last couple of years we have been getting one, two houses allocated. Yet you have 20 to 30 people on these waiting lists to have their names put forth year after year after year. Because of limited houses being distributed, we were not able to get their names. Will you consider looking at the previous lists of applicants versus applicants for today?

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Goo Arlooktoo

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Mr. Speaker, certainly the waiting list will be part of the consideration but even with this initiative which increases the number of houses, we will not meet the demand. If his community has traditionally been getting three to four houses each in the last few years, I would imagine that the next couple of years you would get six to eight new houses each year for the next three years.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the Mackenzie Delta region, we feel we have been not getting our fair share in regards to the houses. Yet the demand is high. Could the Minister give me the information on exactly how many units we are looking at for that region? If you are saying it is going to be six or eight, ten will do. Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, in the last few days I have been getting similar requests from just about all the other MLAs. What I will say again, the distribution will be based on need, on the number of eligible applicants. We will be as fair as possible. We know where the need is. We will fairly distribute what little we have.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 395-13(4): Unpaid Work From Fox 2 Program

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member's statement, I talked about two people from Broughton Island who have never been paid for the work they did in Fox 2 in

1969. There was a commitment made by the Commissioner at the time to resolve this issue. Will the Premier agree to try to find a way to live up to the commitment made years ago on behalf of this government? Thank you.

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The Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That commitment made by the former Stu Hodgson, Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, was some time ago. It would take some research to look into that issue. I would be pleased to work with the Member to look into the issue and see if there is anything we can do to relieve that problem. I could not commit today to him. I will talk to the Member for Yellowknife Centre as well. He may remember something about that. He was working with Mr. Hodgson then. We can check back in the files and see if there is anyway we can solve this issue. Thank you.

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Question 396-13(4): Affirmative Action

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My comments and questions are for the Premier and they are on affirmative action. We had several Members speak on this subject this morning. One reference was to the fact that we have middle and senior management that are non-aboriginal and of the deputy ministers there is a large percentage who are non-aboriginal. I would just like to make reference, Mr. Speaker, to the fact that this House is composed of six non-aboriginal Members and the remaining are aboriginal. Cabinet is composed of a majority of aboriginal Members.

I think there is a reason why there are not many aboriginal deputy ministers. I agree that it needs to be addressed. However, I think to single out these people and imply they should not be there, perhaps, we should have already filled those positions with aboriginal people is subject to question, Mr. Speaker. I made reference the other day to some comments and statistics.

What I would like to know, if the Premier could tell me and I am interested, as I am sure as other Members are, in more statistical information in this whole area, has the government done any analysis of the government itself as to where we have percentages of aboriginal employees and affirmative action employees? Are those statistics available to us?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the government has done that work and those statistics if you do not have them already, we will make them available to you. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would appreciate it if the Premier could pass on those statistics to me. My concern is that those statistics identify very specifically an analysis of each department and what type of employees are employed there and the positions and what has been filled. I wonder if the Premier could tell me if it has been done to that extent.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the work has been done to that extent because we need these numbers and statistics when we also review deputy's performance. I do that every year. I have already written to the deputies to make them aware that this is a very major issue to our government about aboriginal and long-term northerners, those that fall in affirmative action, that I will be specifically reviewing those issues with them when I review their performance. I needed those statistics as well from previous years, so we can see how they are being advanced.

As well, we will be talking to the deputies very shortly and I will be doing it in writing as well, how we can develop a plan of employment and training to increase those statistics. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am wondering if the analysis also includes an analysis of why it has succeeded. I will state very clearly that I think there have been many areas of success with this government employing aboriginal people. Yes, there is a need for other areas to be bolstered and improved. I do not think that anyone is ever going to question that, certainly not me. I am wondering if an analysis has been done as to why it has succeeded in certain areas and not in other areas.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will get the statistics and the numbers for the Members. As far as why it is such a success or why it is such a failure, that would be to each individual Member's opinion as well as individual deputies. As a government, we will come up with a position on that as well. We have committed to the Members of the Legislative Assembly to work with them on the Affirmative Action Policy review. The majority of the work, compiling the information to present to the proper committee, is already done. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess my final question refers to the fact we have a high percentage of non-aboriginals as deputy ministers. Could the Premier tell me if he feels that is wrong? Thank you.

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Mr. Premier . Mr. Morin , do you wish to give your opinion?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you know, I do not normally stand up to give my opinion. What I will say is we do have 12 deputy ministers in the government right now. Some of those deputy ministers are aboriginals, some of them are long-term northerners. They all do an excellent job. It is made very clear to the deputy ministers we are looking at ways to increase the number of affirmative action in all areas of government. I want to see plans on how we can do that. Whether it is right or wrong, I will not comment on it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, could I put my question off for a moment? Thank you.

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Question 397-13(4): Funding For Winter Festivities

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be directing my question to the Minister responsible for recreation and recreational facilities. This question was asked by Hall Beach residents in regards to dog team races. They would like some information on funding available for winter festivities for dog team races. How do they receive the funding to pay the winners? Do they apply to the Minister of recreation? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Under the recreational program, of which I am responsible for under MACA, I believe you are referring to the dog team race from Arviat to Rankin Inlet. The Dog Mushers' Association organized it under the chairmanship of Harry Towtongie. They also have their own membership from Keewatin communities who received the funding themselves. It was not organized by this department, it was organized by the dog mushers themselves. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps they have their own rules that they follow. The representative from Igloolik said they had rest stops everywhere along the route even before the dogs were tired. Perhaps the dog team guidelines were set up by the government or someone else. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MACA was not involved in this race. It happened before my term as a Minister. I remember listening to people from the Rankin Inlet hamlet council meeting where they organized the way the race was going to be set up throughout the Keewatin. There is a group called Dog Mushers' Association. They set up the arrangements and guidelines for that race. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be to Mr. Arlooktoo regarding Plan 2000. I just happened to look in a book and I found a comment that is sort of appropriate and it says "do not be afraid of opposition. Remember a kite rises against, not with the wind." Mr. Speaker, I have obtained the Plan 2000 and we are not hitting the target with it. Let us establish a few basic facts. The housing crisis or shortage exists in level two-three communities. They have the highest unemployment, the least developed economies and private sector markets. They are, Mr. Speaker, the poorest communities, least likely to have many income earners between $50 thousand and $90 thousand per year.

You can walk into a chartered bank and secure a residential mortgage, even with a Down Payment Assistance Program. My question to the Minister is, with a birth rate that is presently three and a half times the national average, will the government, after its three year program, be able to continue to build these number of units in economies that are not yet established? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I would have to admit I do not know what will happen in three years time. What we are doing is trying to deal with a crisis situation where we have hundreds of families who are underhoused or living in homes with other families. We are trying to ensure new homes are built for those that can afford to pay their own bills, freeing up the social housing units that are severely needed. Whether or not we will be able to afford to build new houses down the road will depend on whether or not the federal government will be funding us for those. They have made it really clear they are getting out of the social housing business.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would respect the Minister's comments that he does not know what is going to happen in three years time. I would suggest his department should have some type of planning in place for five years. I think the people of the Northwest Territories demand their government have something in place for a five year plan. I will direct that question to the Minister. What plans do they have for longer than three years if these housing units are short up to 6000, if the birthrate does continue and the government still tries to provide housing? What plans does the department have for a five year period? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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