Debates of Sept. 17th, 1998

This is page numbers 57 - 80 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was tax .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Sod Turning Of Diamond Sorting And Valuation Facility

New Financial Measures For The Wcb

Nav Canada Receives Federal Approval For Air Services Fees

Concerns Of Pond Inlet Residents

Iqaluit Youth Programs

Timing Of Capital Project Construction

GNWT Economic Strategies

Sod Turning Of Diamond Sorting And Valuation Facility

Holman Hamlet Council's Efforts To Address Division Concerns

The Importance Of Educational Achievement

Resolution Of The Pay Equity/collective Bargaining Dispute

Proposed Venture Capital Corporations

Government Position Regarding Civil Service Lay-offs

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Civil Service Lay-off Provisions

GNWT Economic Strategies

Forestry Manufacturers Licencing

Funding For Youth Centres

Timing For The Tendering Of Contracts

Costs For The Development Of The Economic Strategies

Ministerial Responsibility For Economic Strategies

Fiscal Situation Of The Wcb

Contract To Develop The GNWT Economic Strategies

Application Of Economic Strategies To The Western Territory

Rationale For Creating Two Workers' Compensation Boards

Timing For The Tendering Of Contracts

Role Of The Premier's Panel In Developing The Economic Strategies

Written Question 3-13(6): Fiscal Situation Of The Workers' Compensation Board

Tabled Document 14-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation Benchmarks

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Motion To Amend Subclause 21(3)(

a) And (

b) Of Bill 3: Risk Capital Investment Tax Credit Act

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 57

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you Mr. Evaloarjuk . Good afternoon, Members. Before we begin today, I would like to remind Members that today is the 47th anniversary of a historic event for the Northwest Territories and for this Assembly. On September 17, 1951, for the first time some Members of the Council were elected to office.

There were three Members elected in 1951 to represent the whole Northwest Territories. They were, Mr. Mervyn Hardie, representing the Mackenzie North constituency; Mr. James Brodie representing Mackenzie South and Mr. Frank Carmichael, representing Mackenzie West. At that time, there were also six appointed Members on the Council, as well as the Commissioner, Major General Hugh Young.

There have been many changes in this Assembly and in the Northwest Territories as a whole since 1951. Forty-seven years ago we began the process toward responsible government. For the last 47 years, Members of this and previous Legislatures have worked to ensure that all residents of the Northwest Territories are represented responsibly and effectively.

With the creation of two new territories, we will see many more changes and will continue to break new ground. As elected Members, we will remain committed to the principle of responsible government that is reflective of the interests of all northern residents.

If I may, it is appropriate today that we have in the gallery four of the 19 returning officers, who will conduct the first election for the Nunavut Legislative Assembly. They are in Yellowknife for training this week. They are:

Mona Autut, Returning Officer for Baker Lake - from Baker Lake

Nancy Kalluak, Returning Officer for Arviat - from Arviat

Jean Kaniak, Returning Officer for Cambridge Bay - from Cambridge Bay

Sarah Kidlapik, Returning Officer for Akullik - from Repulse Bay

Welcome to the Assembly.

--Applause

Orders of the Day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 17-13(6): Sod Turning Of Diamond Sorting And Valuation Facility

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is an important and historic day for the Northwest Territories. This morning, Ministers and several MLA's participated in the sod turning ceremony for the NWT's first diamond sorting valuation facility.

--Applause

The facility at the Yellowknife airport will allow BHP Diamonds to sort their production. It is also where the federal government will assess the value of that production, and where sales will be made to qualified and approved northern manufacturers.

Mr. Speaker, the discovery and development of diamonds in the NWT continues to be a momentous time in the history of the north. It is now accepted nationally and internationally that the NWT will become a major producer of diamonds. It has also become widely known that this government is committed to providing northerners with jobs and opportunities in the value added industries. The GNWT appreciates the efforts that BHP Diamonds has made in listening and responding to our interests in providing the maximum benefits to northerners from the mining and production of diamonds.

The BHP diamond sorting and valuation facility is one step along this path. For BHP Diamonds and the manufacturers, the challenge now is to move forward along this path towards the NWT becoming the "Diamond Centre" of North America. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 17-13(6): Sod Turning Of Diamond Sorting And Valuation Facility

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 57

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 18-13(6): New Financial Measures For The Wcb

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Workers' Compensation Board has experienced several years of exceptional financial results since finding itself in a deficit position in 1992. In 1997, it achieved an operating surplus of over $20 million. To date, the board has an accumulated operating reserve of over $35 million. These positive results can be attributed to several factors.

The total number of registered claims dropped last year to its lowest level in four years. On the other hand, increased economic activity in the NWT meant that employer revenue was higher than anticipated. Perhaps the most significant influence on the financial health of the WCB has been the success of its investment portfolio. In 1995 and 1996, the WCB made significant changes to its investment policy and asset mix model. A more aggressive and better balanced investment strategy has resulted in three successive years of solid investment performance. Mr.

Speaker, since 1996, the WCB has consistently reflected its financial success by decreasing employer assessment rates and increasing benefits to injured workers.

Mr. Speaker, effective January 1, 1999, a further 35 percent decrease in the average assessment rate will take effect. This means the assessment rate for NWT employers will decrease from $1.87 to $1.21 per $100 of assessable payroll. This new average rate has been approved by the board of directors and will be maintained for three years. As well, Mr. Speaker, I will be introducing legislation in the Assembly this fall to increase the YMIR from $52,000 to $60,000, effective January 1, 1999.

--Applause

If approved, the new YMIR in the NWT will become the highest YMIR in the country.

This increase will allow the board to fully compensate 85 percent of the NWT workforce. The new YMIR will also provide greater coverage to the mining industry, where currently only 35 percent of the workers are fully covered. It should also be mentioned, Mr. Speaker, that increasing the YMIR will create inequities between those workers and their dependants who will be receiving pensions and those whose pensions are based on earlier YMIR's.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 18-13(6): New Financial Measures For The Wcb

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 58

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 19-13(6): Nav Canada Receives Federal Approval For Air Services Fees

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Members of the Assembly, late yesterday afternoon I learned through a general press release from NAV Canada that the federal Minister of Transport, the Honourable David Collenette, gave his approval to NAV Canada's fee proposal last Friday. I want to inform the House that I am greatly disappointed with the consistent refusal of NAV Canada and the federal government to recognize the impact the new fee structure will have on northern Canada.

NAV Canada's announcement makes much of the fact that, as a special concession to the north, it will phase in the new fees over a two year period. This is merely a delay. The pain will come in small cuts over time rather than all at once. Delays or deferrals were not what we had asked NAV Canada or the Minister of Transport to consider. NAV Canada also makes much of the fact that the former Air Transportation Tax is to be removed as the new fees are introduced to replace it.

Unlike the Air Transportation Tax that was added to the fares of paying passengers, the new service fees are charged on aircraft movements - regardless of whether the aircraft is empty or loaded. Since the fees are based on aircraft movements, the air carriers must recover the fees from their passengers and freight. The new fees have and will impose added cost to the movement of freight. This is a new cost to northerners and the substance of our criticism.

The announced deferrals do not change the fact that, in the end, fresh groceries and other essential air cargoes delivered to our northern and remote communities will cost more.

Next week I will be meeting in Regina with the federal Ministers and my provincial and territorial counterparts. I intend to take up the issue of the NAV Canada fees at the meeting and I have already had the item included on the agenda. The deferrals do give us time. With the support of this Assembly, the people who live in our communities and the northern air industry, I intend to pursue every avenue at our disposal to mitigate this added increase to our high cost of living in the north. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 19-13(6): Nav Canada Receives Federal Approval For Air Services Fees

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3,

Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 29-13(6): Concerns Of Pond Inlet Residents

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today out of concern regarding my visit to Pond Inlet and the issues I wish to bring to your attention. These problems still have not been resolved;

First of all, the school and gymnasium that was planned for the community was designed to be too small, and the foundation for the building remains very muddy. The marina/dock that was to be built still has not gone through. More and more people are buying their own boats and this facility is required for safety purposes, as Pond Inlet has no safe harbour. The travel routes by air also remain the same. In order to travel between Hall Beach, Pond Inlet and Arctic Bay, they still have to stop over in Iqaluit.

Also, they need a nursing station, which they were told they would get. To date, they have never heard anything more. They have had only two nurses all this time even though they should have five according to ratio and population numbers. There should also be nursing training provided for Inuit but this has also been discontinued.

Mr. Speaker, these issues I speak of will be brought forward in question period at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

--Applause

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Member's Statement 29-13(6): Concerns Of Pond Inlet Residents

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 59

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 30-13(6): Iqaluit Youth Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past summer has seen unprecedented growth occur in Iqaluit. There are numerous single family and multi-plex housing units as well as office buildings and the new Legislative Assembly building being built. This activity has meant increasing numbers of people moving to Iqaluit and this has pushed resources to their limit. Housing shortages remain very serious and the homeless shelter was over flowing before it was closed down. A new shelter is now being built to help deal with the problem of homelessness. Mr.

Speaker, with all this growth and activity the youth of Iqaluit have not been forgotten. With support from Frobisher Developments Limited they kindly donated a housing unit to be used as a youth centre. Over the past several months, I have chaired a committee of community volunteers that have tried to put together a sound plan to open the youth centre. We have had support from various organizations and companies Mr. Speaker, but we have had no luck with this government.

Our latest request for core funding to help us hire a full-time staff person who would be available to counsel youth and coordinate activities was rejected. Mr. Speaker, last Friday we met to review our options and the committee is scheduled to meet again tomorrow. We now plan on preparing a funding proposal to the federal government. Mr. Speaker, many of our youth are in crisis. The youth centre would be a safe place where they could hang out with their friends and we would have someone available to help and talk to. a trained councillor. I do not understand why this government cannot find a way to help fund such a worthwhile project.

We pay lip service to many of the problems affecting youth. When youth get in trouble or when we have to deal with suicide, crime or drug related problems, we talk about diversion type programs. Mr. Speaker a dedicated environment for youth with trained staff on hand is what is needed. A safe place to go. Later today, I will ask the appropriate Minister about these issues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 30-13(6): Iqaluit Youth Programs

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 31-13(6): Timing Of Capital Project Construction

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is in regard to the timing of contracts that have been let go in the Mackenzie Delta region. A lot of these projects that should have been constructed over the summer period are now just being put out for tender. A lot of the access clients who have made attempts to get the program in which their units are only now being constructed. With the short construction season in the north, Mr.

Speaker, it is crucial that these tenders be let go and opened sooner so we can take advantage of the summer season and the work that is needed in a lot of our smaller communities which depend on these small projects. Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister questions later on the timing of allocating contracts, tenders for capital projects and housing units in our communities. I do not think it is appropriate for contracts be let go in August and that construction starts in September or October.

These are essential projects that communities look forward to for the work and also the needed construction during that short period of the season. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 31-13(6): Timing Of Capital Project Construction

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 32-13(6): GNWT Economic Strategies

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my comments today will be in regard to the economic strategies that the government of the NWT has undertaken. This summer we learned that the GNWT is undertaking the development of two economic strategies - one for the NWT in the west here and one for Nunavut. There is no question in my mind of the importance of strategizing our economic future. I have had concern expressed to me by several consultants and people in Yellowknife about the short time frame that the request for proposal was advertised.

In preparing a proposal for a $500,000 project usually requires a good deal of preparation time. I would say a normal minimum time for a project of this size would be about three weeks, but the government only allowed ten days. The question is why was such a short time frame given for submitting proposals for such a major project?

In addition to this question, I have my own concern with respect to our process of consulting MLAs in this matter. In a news release dated March 31st, Premier Morin announced plans to create an economic strategy and in that release he is quoted as saying: "I look forward to working with my cabinet colleagues and the standing committees of the Legislative Assembly to make sure this strategy moves forward in a coordinated manner..." The release concludes by saying that, "It is anticipated a preliminary

schedule and framework outlining the strategy will be available for discussion at the next session of the Legislative Assembly", namely the May session. That preliminary

schedule and framework was never made available at our May session, nor was our Standing Committee on Resource Management ever consulted.

This government proceeded without input from ordinary MLAs, I do not see where public consultation is taking place, nor that there is visible involvement by community or business groups in this strategy. What does that mean? Are we regurgitating government reports and working with the bureaucrats? I think it should be noted, not everyone is a happy camper here on the western front, nor perhaps on the eastern front in Nunavut, with this development. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 32-13(6): GNWT Economic Strategies

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 33-13(6): Sod Turning Of Diamond Sorting And Valuation Facility

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to also talk about the sod turning at the BHP valuation sorting facility that I had the opportunity to attend at noon hour. Mr. Speaker, I can honestly say that this is a momentous occasion. This is the first such facility in North America and there will be around 15 jobs to start and more will be coming of course with other mines opening and greater development. Mr. Speaker, this is a win-win situation. First of all BHP gets its facility, secondly, the City of Yellowknife gets much need tax dollars at the full economic rate. There were no concessions made.

Thirdly, the valuator as a consortium of the Yellowknives Dene First Nation, the Dogrib First Nation and the Kitikmeot Inuit Association. These three birthright organizations will be able to get jobs and other economic opportunities from this venture. I say birthright organizations because there are three land claimant groups.

Mr. Speaker, this could not have happened without the hard work of a lot of people and I believe they are to be congratulated for a job well done. Hopefully, this is just the start of a full value added secondary diamond industry in the north, meaning diamond polishing, jewellery making and so on. Mr. Speaker, this of course means more jobs and less social programs for not only Yellowknife, but also for the surrounding communities. Indeed, we can say we have a bright and glittery road ahead of us. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 33-13(6): Sod Turning Of Diamond Sorting And Valuation Facility

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 34-13(6): Holman Hamlet Council's Efforts To Address Division Concerns

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to complement the actions of the mayor and hamlet council of Holman for their efforts and determination to work closely with the GNWT Division Secretariat over the last few months to assure the residents of Holman are not adversely effected by division in April 1999. The Mayor, Mr. Gary Bristow, and council have had numerous meetings with officials of GNWT departments to assure a smooth transition of government services from the Kitikmeot regional office to the Inuvik regional office.

On behalf of the residents of Holman, I wish to thank the Honourable Kelvin Ng and the Honourable Jim Antoine , for travelling to the community of Holman in July of this year to meet with the hamlet council to discuss division issues, as well as other O and M and capital projects.

Mr. Speaker, I encourage officials from all the departments to continue to work closely with the mayor and council, as well as myself as the MLA for Nunakput on the ongoing divisional issues. I wish to thank the Premier , Honourable Don Morin for his assistance in this matter as well. I hope the end result will be a community that will experience a minimum of negative impacts resulting from division into two new territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 34-13(6): Holman Hamlet Council's Efforts To Address Division Concerns

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 35-13(6): The Importance Of Educational Achievement

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to inform this House that my region is hearing how important education is. Over the past number of years, our leaders have been telling young and old that education is the backbone to a better life. We all try to ensure that our children have the best we can offer. Be it a good warm home, food on the table, a caring and loving family, it is our duty as parents to ensure these things are provided. It is also our duty to ensure our children can achieve their goals. We must enforce and encourage our children to attend school and get as much education as is possible.

With this in mind, I would like to inform this House that for this current school year we have had tremendous response for individuals to attend post-secondary schools as well as getting a high school education. This year we have 47 students out attending post-secondary schools throughout Canada. The Chief Jimmy Bruneau High School has had an increase of almost 100 students over the same period last year. This is all very good news for our region and our residents.

We cannot stop now, we must continue to encourage our residents to get educated, our government must continue to develop new and interesting programs and methods that focus on our ever changing environment. New opportunities are becoming available and we must respond to these. To end, I would like to commend our students for their achievements and keep up the good work. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 35-13(6): The Importance Of Educational Achievement

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 36-13(6): Resolution Of The Pay Equity/collective Bargaining Dispute

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, almost three years ago when we took office, one of the first hard and necessary tasks we had to do was to balance the budget and instituted a deficit measures act to which everybody had to contribute, including our employees, with their wages and benefits rolled back.

It is now half way into the fiscal year and our last year in office, and while the excluded members of our civil service and Hay Plan people have been able to realize some of the benefit of their hard work now that the budget is balanced and we see a surplus projected, unfortunately the vast majority of our employees sit empty handed with their deficit and reduced wages. Still the only wages that they get with no recognition for their contribution that they put into this balancing of the budget.

There are tens of millions of dollars on the table waiting to go into the pockets of the people who worked long and hard for this government and continue to do that.

It is my sincere hope that they will be able to soon see that money in their pay cheques and they will put that back into the economy of the north and their communities and they should benefit as soon as possible for all the hard work and hardship they had to put up with as part of their contribution to balancing the budget. So I would strongly encourage both parties to not forget and loose sight of the fact that the people we represent are the people in the communities. This should not be a high level political issue. It should not be driven from Ottawa. It has to get resolved.

One of the key seasons of the year, Christmas time is coming, gifts for our young ones and children all sorts of important issues. Mr. Speaker, my position on this is let the people have a vote on this and let us get the money into the pockets of the people who have worked hard and have earned every penny of it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 36-13(6): Resolution Of The Pay Equity/collective Bargaining Dispute

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 37-13(6): Proposed Venture Capital Corporations

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to address the issue of the proposed venture capital corporations. Mr. Speaker, I am in full support of any initiative that will stimulate the northern economy. We northerners can be and will be self-sufficient and innovative when given the opportunity. This is a pro-active initiative which will facilitate that entrepreneurial spirit. Mr.

Speaker, venture capital corporations will direct the use of strategic business investments to: stimulate the economy of the north; create and maintain jobs locally; and involve our labour groups, employees and other eligible investors as partners in the investment, governance and management of northern firms. Northern investors will not only receive a break on their taxes, but also an unique opportunity to invest in northern businesses. Mr. Speaker, this is a good legislation and credit should go to all those involved in the development and review of this proposed bill. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 38-13(6): Government Position Regarding Civil Service Lay-offs

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are all familiar with the now famous no lay-off policy. I quote the Premier from his statement in this House last March when he said, "this government plans no more lay-offs, either due to division or to department consolidations" for the remainder of this government's term. This was a welcome announcement, after the difficult times and the uncertainty that government employees have faced over the past years.

I am sure the government knows that the policy was much talked about among employees. As it turns out, we are now hearing conflicting messages. Members may recall a letter we received from the Premier in August. The Premier pointed out that the creation of two new governments will result in a transfer of responsibilities to the Nunavut government. This is not ground breaking news. He also said, and I quote, "the need to downsize the public service".

Now, we are downsizing the public service, but apparently not laying off. The Premier wrote that there would be no lay-offs because there will be an internal competition process for GNWT jobs. According to the Premier , this would reduce staff numbers by creating greater mobility within the workforce. Mr. Speaker, I am not convinced that it will be quite that simple or painless or effective for that matter. We need a lot more information. To me, downsizing sounds a lot like lay-off policy by another name. Later today, I will be speaking and asking questions to the Premier on this particular topic. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize from my home riding Nancy Kalluak from Arviat and also from Baker Lake, Mona Autut. These two ladies are Nunavut's first returning officers.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Mr. Glen McLean, former resident of Fort Smith, former SAO of the community a long time resident and now deputy returning officer of the NWT.

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Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Sarah Kidlapik, her mother and father are also in Repulse Bay and she is here too as well. I would like to thank her for coming. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 29-13(6): Civil Service Lay-off Provisions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 62

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is to the Premier . The Premier said a number of GNWT employees must be reduced. The government intends to do this without lay-offs by creating an internal competition process for the GNWT employees. The Premier said that the staff would be reduced by creating greater mobility within the workforce. My question to the Premier is, can the Premier tell me approximately how many GNWT positions still need to be eliminated prior to division? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot give him a number today. I will be pleased to try to find that number for him and forward it. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask the Premier then, Mr. Speaker, to give me some clarification of what he meant when he addressed this House last March when he told this House that this government plans no more lay-offs either due to division or to departmental consolidations? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like I said in the last Legislative Assembly, there will be no more lay-offs to government staff due to division and downsizing. When we say that, we meant that. There is a certain amount of people who work for the government right now. We are going to need a certain amount of people to carry out the functions of the new western governance. What we have done, is we have internal staffing that we have to do. So, some people may be in positions right now that will be in a downsized position after division.

We are attempting to move those people to other positions so we do not have to lay people off. We have approximately the same number of people on staff as we do positions. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Do I understand the Premier to tell us that there will be no more lay-offs regardless of these internal competitions that he spoke of earlier? Is he telling this House there will be no lay-offs of GNWT staff? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 30-13(6): GNWT Economic Strategies

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 62

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions will be on the economic strategy and to the Minister responsible. The economic strategy is a big job and a substantial amount of money is being committed by this government to the development of that strategy for both the west and Nunavut. Naturally, I would have expected and I am sure the government ensured that any proposal submitted would have been very detailed and substantial. My first question in this matter relates to the timing of the advertising of the proposal and I wonder if I could get an answer on why the closing date on the RFP was so short.

It was advertised on April 20th and the closing date was April 28th. Could I get an answer on that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Economic Strategy, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure why that took place, but I will check with the people who are working on the project and report back to my honourable colleague. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Given that this was a very short time frame that it was advertised and given that only one proposal was made. What I am wondering is why the government did not decide to put out another request for proposal so we would have a competitive situation and be sure that everyone out in the public could have input into this. My question is, why was it not put out for a second proposal?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I would have to check with the administration that dealt with the issue, but we did put it out to public tender. Why only one person applied, I do not know because I think that is where my colleague is leading to. I cannot answer that question. I do not know why only one person applied. I would only be too happy to table in this House the excellent proposal we received from Mr. Bailey and associates, if the Member would like to have that.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I appreciate the proposal and I am sure all Members would like to have a copy of that. My next question relates to the proposal itself, in the proposal that was accepted by the government, did it include all the details with regard to the involvement and expertise of costs and so forth and subcontractors that would be involved in this project as it pertained to the requirement of the bid?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I imagine the debate would end up where we would be talking about the contract around the content of what we are trying to achieve here. I would say to my honourable colleague that I would have to look into it. I do not get involved in the detail of that kind of thing. I would hope at some point he would ask me questions of what we are trying to achieve here. What the overall objective is, how we are trying to make life better for northerners and how we are trying to get more money from the federal government. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I get another chance during question period, I will ask the question that Mr. Todd presented on the floor, but I have several other questions first. The other question I have that I would like addressed now, is with respect to Nunavut. What organizations in Nunavut asked for a study to be done, an economic strategy be done for Nunavut? Thank you.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding of this initiative of this government, which is still in place until March 31, 1999. In fact, there is a committee over in Nunavut working under, I believe NTI, the Interim Commissioner, the GNWT, the Nunavut Chamber of Commerce, et cetera they are working with us on this important initiative.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 31-13(6): Forestry Manufacturers Licencing

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 63

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development and it is regarding concerns I raised in the House yesterday that I was made aware of by the Northwest Territories Forest Industry Association and that is the fact that a product they harvest in the north, the lumber, the trees that is harvested, logged, milled, and planed to the standards set by the Canadian Lumber Standards Accreditation Board, is not in fact, covered under the northern manufactured policy.

This puts local businesses in Fort Smith, Resolution, Hay River and possibly in the Fort Simpson area at a disadvantage where they have a northern product grown in the north and put together and finished in the north on a different level than all other northern products in making them compete with southern firms with no recognition of the work that is done in the north. My question to the Minister is, in light of this concern, could he indicate whether he is prepared to looking at addressing that oversight so that it is dealt with prior to the next construction season? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 63

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will be in touch with the members of the forestry association to assist them with the paper work to ensure they register with

the Business Incentive Policy office so that they can list their products as soon as possible. That will be done in the next few days. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 32-13(6): Funding For Youth Centres

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 64

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Following up on my earlier Member's statement concerning the youth centre. I would address my question to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Could the Minister indicate if this government actually provides any type of funding for youth centres? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 64

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do not have such a category in our budget at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I was trying to help this committee out, to get money, I e-mailed every one of the Ministers and their EAs in their departments and I only had a response out of two of the Ministers' departments about help for the Youth Centre. Would Mr. Dent and his department be able to contact me or my office to make his staff available to help me in this quest, to get money from one of the funding pots that are out there, so we can, indeed, try to get the Youth Centre up? It is needed and I think the need has been demonstrated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My department would be happy to help any Member to try and work with residents in their community to improve services for young people. The answer is yes.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 33-13(6): Timing For The Tendering Of Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Public Works . It is in regard to my opening statement. The whole question about contracts and when contracts are let go. When you talk about public tenders for the construction of projects in our small communities and housing access units that need to be built. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, why is it that tenders and contracts for such construction of public contracts, let go so late in the season? Yet, we approve the budget, usually it is in February/March? In my riding a lot of projects were not concluded through the tendering process until August, in some cases September. Why is that?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, unless I know the specific project the honourable Member is talking about, then I could answer him pertaining to these specific cases there may be out there. Generally speaking, the department issues tenders to the public as soon as they can, early in the year. The majority of the contracts I am aware of are done in this manner. Maybe there are some circumstances that arise throughout the summer, where projects may be awarded later on, and these are special cases. Generally speaking, the department is going out and trying to put these projects out as early in the building season as possible. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Using the example in regard to an access unit in Fort McPherson, where an individual was approved for the project. The individual destroyed the old units that he was in, so he could construct the new access unit on his property in June. It has basically been August when the contract was let go. It was a matter of a three month lapse from the time he presumed the construction was going to start until the time the tender was closed. We are talking about something that should have possibly started in May or June, instead occurred in August. Why was it such a long time?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Public Works and Services deals with different projects that are put forward from client departments. It could be Health and Social Services or RWED or Education, Culture and Employment. In the case of Housing which the access unit come under, they do their own project management themselves. In this particular case, the access housing the honourable Member is talking about, is out of the Department of Public Works hands. I believe it is under the Housing Minister . Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the timing of these projects. The reason I raised the question is, we also have to take into account the shipping season which NTCL usually does not take any orders after September 1. A lot of these projects being closed in the latter part of August. I will use another example, if I can, Mr. Speaker.

In Aklavik where there was supposed to be a warehouse constructed, which is part of the capital budget process, it has been just in the last two weeks where the tender has been recalled for going to public tender, yet the season for getting the materials through NTCL in Hay River is no longer possible because the season for NTCL taking orders has been concluded. By using these as examples, which is why I raised the question about the seasons and when these tenders are being closed so we can construct our capital projects in our communities during the construction season. This is usually during the summer season.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I did not hear a question and I will remind the Members to limit their

preambles in their supplementaries. Oral questions, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 34-13(6): Costs For The Development Of The Economic Strategies

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are in follow-up to Mr. Ootes ' questions with respect to the Economic Strategy. Mr. Speaker, I think it is entirely appropriate for us to question the expenditure of public funds. I would just like to comment that it is cheap rhetoric on this side of the House to suggest that questioning the process of procurement for this contract or this service is to criticize the intent or the merit of the exercise. That is not the intent here. No one is questioning the merit of the initiative. I would also like to, Mr.

Speaker, remind the Minister that he referred to this as a public tender and we have much and extensive debate in this House and tried to explain to some of the Ministers the difference between a request for proposal and a public tender. Obviously, we have not succeeded in that.

No one sets out to do something without counting the cost, so my question is, did the Minister have a cost in mind before issuing the RFP for the development of the Economic Strategies in question? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I do not quite understand the

preamble of my honourable colleague. She makes some reference to some things I said, I do not remember saying anything that she indicated I did. Let us clear that up, first of all. Secondly, I really was looking at this economic strategy as a return on investment. What is it going to cost us to get the kind of return we want? In this strategy when we lay it out to you, and it is not quite ready yet, but when we lay it out to you, we will demonstrate, clearly demonstrate. Some people will look beyond tomorrow, but what we are building is a case for the future.

What we are building is a case for more money to enable us to do the kinds of things our constituents expect us to do. Sometimes you have to spend money on the front end to ensure at the end of the day you get more money on the back end.

If my honourable colleague would be just a little patient, I think we will be able to demonstrate in the coming weeks, that the investment we are putting in on the front end, will bring us significant return on the back end, when we explain it in detail to the Caucus, to the public at large and by the way, to the groups I have been speaking to over the last three or four months. Just let me, if I may, for the moment, explain who I have been talking to. I spoke to a number of aboriginal leaders, Ms. Cournoyea, Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Gaudet, Mr.

Hagen, Chamber of Mines, Chamber of Commerce, City Hall, Interim Commissioner, et cetera. During the summer, when I was actively, discussing these things, we did in fact look for public input into where we were going. The net effect of what we are trying to do is get a return on investment now for future generations. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no one is arguing with the intent of the proposal that was called for, the information that might be garnered from that and all of the wonderful things it might bring about. We have a budgetary process. I will repeat my question, this should not even count as a question because he did not answer this. Did the Minister have a budget figure in mind when he went to RFP for this proposal call?

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I had not anticipated an amount of money at the time. What I was looking for was a proposal that would bring us about the kind of ammunition or substantiation, if you want, for the overall strategy we have in relationship to our federal fiscal relationship with the federal government. I do not know the actual cost of this thing to date. I think it is somewhere in the $300,000 to $500,000 mark. I can get that from my colleague.

It is important to point out in a serious vein that the intent here is to develop the case to be able to show to the federal government we need a new fiscal relationship, to provide us some incentive to garnish more revenues, to get into the non-renewable resource tax window, to support the initiative of my honourable colleague Mr. Antoine in his desire to build roads to resources, to support my honourable colleague, Mr. Kakfwi , to get more EDA money and to support the overall objectives of this House. That is to find more money to deliver to our constituents the kind of services they have come to expect.

That is what this initiative is all about. As I said, if my honourable colleague will be patient for awhile, I think we will be able to demonstrate and substantiate this money is a wise investment for the future. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These are absolutely noble aspirations. My question is, when we go to a call for contracts. Let me back up for a bit. When we go to an RFP or tender call for contracts, there is an estimated amount. Somebody has something in mind. Public Works and Services goes to proposal call and it comes in higher, they go back and they negotiate with the person putting in the proposal, if it is less money. I am saying, I repeat my question again, did the department have any figure in mind when they went to RFP or was it wide open? Do we not have a budgetary process? Was this in the budget? How much was it budgeted at?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

This initiative came about based on previous discussions with Miss Stewart and Mr. Martin, a year or a year and a half ago. Mr. Martin said to me at the time, you balance the budget, you get two new formula agreements and we will look at a new fiscal relationship once those two issues are dealt within the Northwest Territories. That is what this is about. What I do not know today is whether or not we budgeted, how much we budgeted for that particular part of the strategy. The part that we are dealing with Mr. Bailey and Associates is only one small part of the strategy. I will get that number from my colleague and advise her accordingly. I just do not have it.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I assume, Mr. Speaker, the Minister would have been involved in the evaluation of the proposal, when it came in. Being involved in the evaluation of the proposal, they would have looked at the cost of proposal. It would have been compared to something. Did they think the proposal was going to come in at $50, $500, $500,000? He uses $300,000, $500,000 throwing these numbers out. Surely there was a dollar value attached to this contract? That is merely what I am trying to get at. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I was not involved in the evaluation of the contracts. That is the role of the administration. This honourable colleague talked many times that you want to avoid political interference in many of the activities taking place in this House. This decision on this contract is made by the administration. I will get the figure that my honourable colleague wants and present it to her in the House if she wants. I will get it. It is not that I do not want to give it, Mr. Speaker. I do not have it.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, following up on Mrs. Groenewegen 's questions regarding this contract for the economic strategy for both east and west. My question would be why was this contract or proposal not dealt with by the Minister of ED&T and his capable staff? Why did we have to go outside to do this? Why is not the Minister of ED&T in charge of this project? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier . Two questions.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have appointed Mr. Todd in charge of the Economic Development Strategy and that is who is in charge of bringing all aspects of what is happening in the north together, to make it presentable. As far as why it was not done in-house instead of contracted out, there was a decision made to contract it. That is the way it went. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if that is the case, what is the role then of the Minister of Economic Development or RWED in this particular contract and others that are related to it? Thank you.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Todd is the lead on Economic Strategy. Mr. Dent is involved in Economic Strategy as Department of Education. Mr. Antoine is involved as the Department of Transportation and Mr. Kakfwi is involved in it as the Minister responsible for RWED . There is involvement from all parts of government and Mr. Todd is coordinating on behalf of government. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the cost that we hear bandied about is approximately $500,000 for this particular contract. Whether that is right or wrong, my question is, has this amount been budgeted? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One thing I have learned from this business is never to quote figures unless you know what you are talking about. I do not know what the exact budget is, because it could mislead the public and until I find out, I will find out what the contract was, if it was budgeted and how it fits into the budget. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 36-13(6): Fiscal Situation Of The Wcb

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to Mr. Todd , Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. The Minister today brought us good news about the financial health of the Workers' Compensation Board, and I am quite sure all of the employees and employers welcome the news. There is some information in the Minister's statement that requires some clarification. The Minster talks about in 1997 it achieved an operating surplus of over $20 million and to date the board has accumulated operating reserve of over $35 million.

Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, could he elaborate on that particular statement as to, whether the $35 million is part of the $20 million plus, or is there $35 million generated in this year, or is it $35 million to date from March 1st to the present date? If he could just elaborate on that statement, I think it would be important information for Members of this House and for employees. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I believe I said in my statement an accumulated operating reserve of over $35 million that is what we are sitting with right now. That is the accumulated net operating reserve, if you want to call it surplus. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was looking for a little additional information. In the same vein, is that from March or April 1st? Is that April 1st, is there $35 million to date accumulated, and if so, what is the projected accumulated surplus to March 31 of next year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my understanding is $35 million is probably effective the last fiscal year. I do not have the number of what we are projecting what the accumulated reserve might be, but I do know that the initiatives have been taken by the Workers' Compensation Board, are all determined by their actuary and that the fiscal condition of the Workers' Compensation Board is: one, as I said yesterday, darn good management by the board and by the people that run it; and two, because it had three very successful years in terms of its financial portfolio.

The Workers' Compensation Board simply must pass that back and they have done that by these three initiatives of increasing the pensions, reducing the rates, and bringing the YMIR which I will bring into the House as quickly as I can, up to $60,000 which would be the best YMIR in Canada. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on the question of the excess revenue, does the Minister have available the actual figures of that $35 million as to how it is made up? How much of it is generated by employers' contributions during this fiscal period and how much was generated by the investment? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Two questions, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

The money is twofold. One is, employers pay through assessable payroll, x amount of dollars per hundred, which goes into the general fund at the Workers' Compensation Board, they then invest the money in an aggressive investment strategy. I do not have the breakdown. The bottomline is, as I said earlier, they have had three very successful years in their financial portfolio and what they are now doing is passing that back; one, the injured workers; and two, to the widows and widowers; and three; to the private sector employers who fund the WCB. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 37-13(6): Contract To Develop The GNWT Economic Strategies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will continue my questioning with the Finance Minister on the Economic Strategy since I ended up asking the same question four times in my last set. I think now, we have determined that the government may have budgeted an amount. My next question is, was there a dollar value indicated on the proposal when it came in? The Minister has offered to table it in the House that is good, but how much was bid by the proponent? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am trying to be civil to my honourable colleague, but I think I already answered that three times. I said that I would provide her with that information. I do not have it here and I will table the contract in the House. What more can I do? How more transparent can you be?

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Samuel Gargan

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know how much more clear I can make this. I want to know how much did the government budget? How much was the actual proposal? Is that not clear? And the Minister has agreed to get that for me, okay. Those are two separate things. It could be two separate numbers because it is two separate questions. It is two separate items. How much did the government budget? How much did the proponent bid to do the work for the government? I would like to know, also with respect to this strategy, what component of the work is going to be pulled together by actual government resources?

I understand this maybe a combination of subcontracting that will go to private consultants and that also, the government will be contributing through the various departments to the gathering together of this. Does the Minster have any kind of an idea of how much of this work is actually going to be done by the public service? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am anticipating these questions and I genuinely want to answer them in a correct way, rather than take it as notice, but it appears that I am obviously not getting through. I will take the question as notice and I will give a full detailed response to my colleague and my other colleague across the floor, so that he can understand exactly where the government is at.

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Question 38-13(6): Application Of Economic Strategies To The Western Territory

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 68

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question as well, is directed to the Minister of Finance . The Western Caucus around this House which will form the Western Legislative Assembly after April 1, is currently working on a document for priorities and strategies for 1999, and beyond. One of the key supplemental documents that are going to flesh out that broad framework is going to be this Economic Strategy.

One of the key issues in the west, with any kind of Economic Strategy is the critical relationship between Economic Strategy and Western Governance. Could the Minister indicate how he intends to recognize that factor because without addressing that, it is going to be an incomplete document? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that is an excellent question by my honourable colleague. The reality is, what we are trying to accomplish here. I did address it in the Standing Committee on Government Operations, for those who were there. I did address it saying this is the larger issue of a new fiscal relationship with the federal government and in particular for the Western Territory.

It is abundantly clear as you move forward in western governments and if you engage in the western government's document, of which the Premier is going to talk about in the coming week, that you cannot move forward in a tax window, and in the development of roads to resources and the sharing of royalties and taxation, without some answer, and without moving forward on the constitutional changes that you require in the Western Territory. This is not a question of looking at existing programs, although we are doing that.

It is the larger issue for me, as the Finance Minister , looking at the new fiscal relationship with the federal government in an effort to gather new revenues and new resources and be less dependent on the transfer payments that we are currently getting. When we look at western governments and Economic Strategy, they are intimately linked and that is where we are heading to at this time, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as well, this government is currently spending, I believe, $2 or 3 million on a Transportation Strategy. Will that be intrinsically related or tied into the Economic Strategy, so that, in fact, issues like roads to resources are very specifically and concretely addressed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that is correct. That is where we are heading. Maybe I can explain it. It is three or four basic initiatives that we are trying to undertake. One, we are trying to get into the tax window, and Mr. Martin said that he would at least put a table together after we resolve the budgets of the two new territories and balance the budget. Two, we are looking at trying to find ways and means in which to generate the dollars that are required, particularly in the Western Territory of significant magnitude that can make a difference. That is what the Road to Resources and the Non-renewable Strategy is all about. It is all inter-related.

I am hoping, at the end of the day, we will be able to demonstrate that to the public, to the House, and get some support for it. Certainly, in my initial discussions with the groups that I have spoken to, there seems to be some initial support for where we are heading. Thank you.

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