Debates of May 21st, 1996

This is page numbers 495 - 535 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Renewable Energy Technology Workshop

Block Funding Agreement Fort Smith

Premier's Panel On The Economy And Employment

Interaction Between Messrs. Picco And Todd

Duke Of Edinburgh Award

Accident On Highway 3 Taking Life Of Gerry Kodzin

Fas/fae Conference In Seattle, Washington

Inaccurate Birth Records Impeding Access To Old-age Pension Benefits

Tribute To Mrs. Mary Vittrekwa

Diamond Jenness Secondary School Graduation

Passing Of Two Elders From Arviat

Nanisivik Mine Socio-economic Development Agreement

Stanton Regional Hospital's Haemodialysis Clinic

Difficulties Receiving Social Assistance At Yellowknife Women's Centre

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Status Of Honorarium For Panel On The Economy And Employment

Question 270-1313): Status Of Economic Benefits Agreements With Mining Companies

Taloyoak Resident Not Receiving Old Age Pension

Funding For Beaufort/delta Legal Services Clinic

Update On Iqaluit Generator Difficulties

Responsibility For Maintenance On Ingraham Trail

Possibility Of Public Service Strike

Statistics On Legal Services Clinics

GNWT Representative At Negotiations With Nanisivik Mines

Availability Of Housing For GNWT Staff

Report On Meeting Of Premier's Panel

Responsibility For Pelly Bay Airport Project

Process For Replacement Of Supreme Court Justice

Sale Of Staff Housing To GNWT Employees

Written Question 6-13(3): Nanisivik Mine Training And Employment Agreement

Item 10: Petitions

Removal And Recovery Of Consumer Price Index Increase To Members' Allowances And Expenses

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Core Funding To The Tl'oondih Healing Society

Priority Hospital Facilities In Inuvik And Iqaluit

Committee Report 2-13(3): Standing Committee On Infrastructure Report On The Review Of The 1996-97 Main Estimates

Committee Report 4-13(3): Standing Committee On Social Programs Report On The Review Of The 1996-97 Main Estimates

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 495

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 62-13(3): Renewable Energy Technology Workshop

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise the Members of the House that the Government of the Northwest Territories, in conjunction with the NWT Power Corporation, the Public Utilities Board, Natural Resources Canada and the Canadian Wind Energy Association, co-sponsored and participated in a renewable energy technology workshop in Yellowknife on April 10th and 11th.

The objective of the workshop was to identify opportunities for the increased use of renewable energy technologies in the production of electricity in the NWT, and to discuss policies and actions required to bring about an increase in the use of these renewable technologies.

I am pleased to advise that the workshop was very successful and was attended by approximately 40 persons representing key northern stakeholders, the renewable energy industry and government.

The two most important recommendations which came out of the workshop were: First, that a renewable energy policy be developed by this government. This policy should be developed in conjunction with a more comprehensive updated energy policy which would address energy efficiency, conservation and subsidy programs.

Second, that a renewable energy working committee be established to ensure continued communication and cooperation between key stakeholders. There was also

consensus that the communities need to be given a greater voice in energy planning decisions.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform Members of the Assembly that the Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources has begun preparing a draft renewable energy policy and will be establishing a renewable energy working committee to interact with key stakeholders.

Once in draft form, we will be distributing the renewable energy policy to stakeholders for consultation.

The creation of a suitable policy environment for renewables is an important piece in the puzzle if we are to begin improving the planning and delivery of energy services to our communities. A comprehensive energy policy, including the renewable energy, will be developed in consultation with the communities and northern stakeholders. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 62-13(3): Renewable Energy Technology Workshop

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mrs. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 63-13(3): Block Funding Agreement Fort Smith

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Later today, I will be travelling to Fort Smith with the MLA for Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger , for the signing of a block funding agreement with the town of Fort Smith.

The mayor of Fort Smith, His Worship Dennis Bevington, and I will sign a three-year agreement that will provide the town an annual block funding contribution for all MACA-related programs, both capital and operations.

The Premier has announced, as part of the agenda for change, that block funding arrangements with community governments will be a key feature of the community empowerment priority.

Mr. Speaker, block funding is an important means of empowering community governments:

- it gives a community government control of financial resources, without conditions;

- it allows a community government to set its spending priorities to meet the needs it identifies;

- it maximizes the accountability of the community governments to its electorate -- councils must answer to community government for its decisions; and, - it minimizes reporting to the GNWT to areas where there are core territorial interests.

The block funding agreement with Fort Smith provides the town with a greater degree of certainty in budgeting for future municipal services and programs. Council will be able to budget with the flexibility to match resources with its priorities.

Other block funding agreements with follow, Mr. Speaker. We have agreement with the town of Hay River and will sign its agreement some time in June. The town of Inuvik has expressed interest and discussions have begun on an agreement. Other agreements will follow.

I am pleased to advise Members of this very concrete example of our commitment to empower communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 63-13(3): Block Funding Agreement Fort Smith

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Premier .

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Minister's Statement 64-13(3): Premier's Panel On The Economy And Employment

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to stand before the House today to announce the appointment of 16 members of the private sector to the Premier 's Panel on the Economy and Employment.

Mr. Speaker, this panel will provide an opportunity for informal and direct dialogue between this government and representatives of the private sector. The panel will provide advice to this government on how the business climate in the Northwest Territories can be improved to attract jobs, investment and capital.

Mr. Speaker, a strong, healthy economy cannot be achieved by government initiatives alone. Government and private sector must create strong and effective partnerships if we hope to improve economic opportunities for northerners.

Mr. Speaker, the members of the Premier 's Panel on the Economy and Employment, who have been selected to represent the diversity of economic sectors and geographic regions in the Northwest Territories, are: Willard Hagen of Inuvik; Russell Newmark of Tuktoyaktuk; Larry Wallace of Norman Wells; Joanne Deneron of Fort Liard; Mike Magrum, Gary Jaeb, Jack Walker and Stefan Simek, all of Yellowknife; Sandra Jaque of Fort Smith; Russell King of Hay River; David Ittinuar of Rankin Inlet; Leonie Napa Duffy of Coral Harbour; Wilf Wilcox of Cambridge Bay; Dennis Lyle of Taloyoak; Naomi Akavak of Kimmirut; and, Bob Hanson of Iqaluit.

I am hoping to convene the first meeting of the panel at the earliest opportunity and I am looking forward to a very useful and productive counsel and I am confident this panel will provide that for us. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 64-13(3): Premier's Panel On The Economy And Employment

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Interaction Between Messrs. Picco And Todd

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's nice to be back in the House today. Believe me, Mr. Speaker, I didn't know Mr. Picco was going to wear a red tie today, so I put on my red tie for today.

Mr. Speaker, as a new Member of this Assembly, I have often found myself amused observing the interaction between fellow MLAs in the many committee, Caucus and other meetings we attend. No relationship is more entertaining to observe than that between Mr. Todd and Mr. Picco . I'll give you a good example, Mr. Speaker, since it was reported in the Nunatsiaq News May 17th issue.

Mr. Speaker, all Members will recall, especially Members of the Nunavut Caucus, how Mr. Todd is always reminding us that the decisions we are making for Nunavut will not only affect us, but they will affect our children and our children's children. I guess being our eldest Member of the Nunavut Caucus, next to Mr. Ningark ...

--- Laughter

... Mr. Todd is expected to give us this wise advice, from time to time. And I do appreciate this advice, Mr. Speaker. What I found very funny, Mr. Speaker, was what happened to Mr. Picco when he dared to use one of Mr. Todd 's favourite sayings at the recent Nunavut Leaders' Summit in Arviat. I think what Mr. Picco did wrong was that he should have asked Mr. Todd for permission to use one of his favourite phrases, but Mr. Picco went ahead and used the phrase without asking Mr. Todd 's permission. As Nunatsiaq News reported, Mr.

Picco said, at the Arviat Leaders' Summit, when he was expressing his concerns about the amount of money available to set up Nunavut: "I don't want to see my children and your children inheriting a debt in the Nunavut government that we cannot pay."

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement, please.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin Central is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Conclude your statement, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have thought that such a strong statement, especially with the reference to Mr. Todd 's favourite phrase about my children and your children, would be welcomed by our Minister of Finance . However, Mr. Speaker, instead of endorsing Mr. Picco 's strong statements, Mr. Todd is quoted as saying:

"Ed's right in some ways," he said, referring to Mr. Picco , "but he does tend to overdramatize.

--- Laughter

I would say it takes one to know one, Mr. Speaker.

--- Laughter

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Duke Of Edinburgh Award

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I won't even try to top that statement.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to introduce to the Members, a program that has been running in Iqaluit for the past six years. The program is found world-wide and it's called *The Duke of Edinburgh Award." It has proven to be a program that has helped kids stay in school.

In Iqaluit, it is offered through the Terry Fox program at Inuksuk High School. There are three levels of difficulty, and to achieve the award requires participation in four main areas: learning new skills; competing in regular physical activity; participating in community service; and, going on a three-day outdoor expedition.

Mr. Speaker, this program is introduced at the high school level in the Terry Fox program, and has proven to be a key motivator in helping the students achieve both academic and vocational success. Every year, about a dozen Terry Fox program students earn the award and, in 1994, three of the students were flown here to Yellowknife to be presented the award by the Duke himself.

The teacher who introduced the program is a well-known, long-time northerner, Nick Newbery. Mr. Newbery has spent many hours of his own time to ensure the success of the Duke of Edinburgh Award and must be congratulated for his dedication and service to the youth of Iqaluit.

I am proud to have been invited to present the Duke of Edinburgh Award later next month in Iqaluit and would invite Members to contact me for more information about this most useful program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Duke Of Edinburgh Award

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Accident On Highway 3 Taking Life Of Gerry Kodzin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have heard on the radio this morning about my region mourning the loss of a young man from Snare Lake. This young man was 25 years old and had not even started his life. Gerry Kodzin was a very bright and ambitious young man. His parents were very proud of him. He worked hard and helped his family with trapping and hunting. He provided his friends

and family with many happy memories; unfortunately, his life came to an end on the dangerous Highway 3 between Yellowknife and Rae.

As many people before have said, the road needs to be upgraded, it is a very dangerous 100 kilometres that has claimed many people over the years and still no work has been done. How many more of our people will lose loved ones on this stretch of highway before anything is done to this highway to be safer? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Fas/fae Conference In Seattle, Washington

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will speak today on a problem in our society that is one which is the highest of any other part of the country. The problem, Mr. Speaker, is fetal alcohol syndrome and fetal alcohol effect, which I will refer to as FAS and FAE.

I have brought forth this concern before in this House, as has the Member for Yellowknife North . Mr. Speaker, this is one problem we cannot ignore. The cause of FAS and FAE is alcohol and it is preventable. It is not curable. Alcohol, when consumed by a pregnant mother, can have devastating and irreversible effects on the victim. In this case, the unborn child. Some research indicates that consumption of alcohol by both males and females prior to pregnancy can also contribute to this condition.

In the North, we have an extremely high rate of this condition. In some of our communities, it is estimated that the number of children affected is 25 per cent or higher. Some of these children have severe burdens to carry. There is no cure or medicine for this condition which results in many, many disorders. Some of the results may include problems with school; which, in turn, manifests itself in troubles with the law, social, sexual and mental problems, to name but a few. We have been carrying this disease in the North for too long. Something needs to be done.

We have to get educated so we can prevent and manage this condition. The burden our society has with these difficulties is immense, especially with our courts and correction facilities. There have been some attempts within our schools to establish a program for a while with FAS and FAE, but the problem is so large it requires a much more sustained attack.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform the Members of this House and the interested people in our communities of a conference which will take place this September in Seattle, Washington, which is sponsored by the fetal alcohol and drug unit of the University of Washington, with support from the disabilities prevention program of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention and the United States public health service.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do

we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Henry , conclude your statement.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The program will include new studies on FAS/FAE; mental health and FAS/FAE; school, employment and independent living; sexuality and ... (inaudible) ... criminal justice and FAS; funding, screening, diagnosis services; Native American and special issues, and programs and institutional responses to FAS.

Mr. Speaker, I cannot stress the importance for us, as representatives of this government, to take serious consideration of this matter. I would suggest this conference is an ideal opportunity for this government to take a strong role in learning about this condition, as well as what can be done about it.

Innocent young victims often turn into members of our society who fill our institutions and without positive intervention, Mr. Speaker, this trend will continue. 1, for one, will be attending this conference and urge that Members of this government would be well advised to gain first-hand knowledge by attending such conferences as the one I'm proposing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Inaccurate Birth Records Impeding Access To Old-age Pension Benefits

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I like to believe that I speak for the elders, women and children. These people don't belong to any associations or any group who will speak for them in a public forum. Mr. Speaker, I have been speaking for some of the elders in my area since the day I became elected in 1989.

Mr. Speaker, many dates of birth were rejected many years after the fact, especially in the Eastern Arctic area. There are many cases whereby an individual who should have been receiving an old-age pension is not receiving it because of the inaccurate issuing of the documents. Mr. Speaker, these are Canadian citizens. They should now be receiving what is rightfully theirs to enjoy the much-needed income, but still do not receive anything.

Mr. Speaker, I have approached the Department of Social Services and the Department of Justice regarding an individual living in Taloyoak who should now be receiving an old-age pension but is not receiving one because of the records. Mr. Speaker, elders in the Taloyoak area and in the Pelly Bay area and in the Gjoa Haven area know exactly what year the gentleman I'm talking about was born. According to the record that came from the RCMP office, it shows the gentleman is much younger than he really is.

I have communicated with the Department of Social Services and with Justice in the past few years, only to be told that the records they have are correct; whereby, the individual is not eligible to receive an old-age pension as of yet.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Natilikmiot is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, my colleagues. I am sure the case in Taloyoak is not the only case. I'm sure there are cases within other regions, perhaps in the Western Arctic, where the elders who should now be receiving an old-age pension are not receiving it because of the registration that was made 10 years after these individuals were born.

During question period, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Department of Justice to ensure that these people be given the money that rightfully belongs to them. How can we correct this situation within the system? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Tribute To Mrs. Mary Vittrekwa

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I regret to inform the House of the passing of a beautiful, elderly lady, Mrs. Mary Vittrekwa, who passed away this weekend in Fort McPherson in an automobile accident.

Mary was born at Blackstone, Yukon, in 1907. She resided in the Dawson area until she was married in January 1936, to the late William Vittrekwa. She raised her family out on the land, taught them all the traditional skills in order to survive. She was the kind of person who could be teased a lot, but also laughed a lot. She had nine children and she raised five grandchildren, 27 great-grandchildren and 18 great-great-grandchildren.

Right up until her death, she spent a lot of her time on the land. She will be greatly missed.

At this time, I would like to mention a few other elders who have passed away over the years: John Vaneltsi; Abe Thomas; Jim Robert; Johnny Reindeer; John Kay; and, Eliza Kunnizzie. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tribute To Mrs. Mary Vittrekwa

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Diamond Jenness Secondary School Graduation

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it was my pleasure to attend the graduation exercises in my constituency on Friday. Sometimes, the statistics that we receive on education are discouraging; however, I am Pleased to report some good news from Hay River.

This year, 1996, was the largest graduation class ever from Diamond Jenness Secondary School; 34 graduates in total. These 34 students included two students from Fort Resolution attending high school in Hay River, two students from the Hay River Dene Band, students from Hay River and, for the first time, to my knowledge, interestingly a student who was attending school but also a resident in the Hay River Young Offenders' Facility.

Another fact which is frequently raised when considering the number of students graduating in the North is the disparity between aboriginal and non-aboriginal students. I am pleased to report that at least one-third of the students graduating in Hay River on Friday were Dene and Metis. The demographics of Hay River indicate that approximately one-third of Hay River is of aboriginal ancestry, so the fact that one-third of the grads were also aboriginal is a fact we should be very proud of.

The keynote speaker for the graduation was Captain Terry Camsell, manager of marine carrier operation of Northern Transportation Company and president of the Hay River Metis Local. Terry Camsell was interestingly a graduate of Diamond Jenness Secondary School 23 years prior, and he has had a very successful career and serves as an excellent role model to the young people of Hay River. Hay River is very proud of our graduates. Thank you.

--- Applause

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Diamond Jenness Secondary School Graduation

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Passing Of Two Elders From Arviat

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to express my condolences to the families and many friends of two respected elders who passed away last week in Arviat. I refer to Casimer Nutarasungnik and Mr. Paul Iniksak. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to express my sincere thanks to Mr. Picco and Mr. Barnabas for visiting with Casimer while they were at the Arviat summit last week. Mr. Speaker, these gentlemen will be sorely missed by all who knew them.

Mr. Speaker, moving on to a happier matter, one that I'm sure these elders would have...

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Samuel Gargan

The rules are quite clear about your Member's statement. You must restrict your Member's statement to one topic only.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

I believe that it is. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Nanisivik Mine Socio-economic Development Agreement

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 499

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week I spoke of my concern about employment of northerners in Nanisivik Mine in my constituency. I expressed my concern that the agreement between the mine and governments, which was put in place when the mine was first established, may not have been honoured in some respects.

Today, I wish to raise another concern about this matter. I understand, Mr. Speaker, that the Nanisivik Monitoring Committee was set up under the master agreement for the

creation of the mine. It includes the mine, the federal government, the territorial government and the community of Arctic Bay. Under the agreement, the regional director of Baffin represents the GNWT, along with the deputy minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources.

It is clear that as long as the mine exists, the committee must exist. The next meeting is scheduled for this summer and I am very pleased to learn that they plan to meet in my home community of Arctic Bay. Later this session, I will be asking our Premier who will be representing the GNWT in light of the termination of the regional director's position in the Baffin region.

Mr. Speaker, I am very concerned about the employment issues. I believe that recent trends have shown that northern employment has been diminished and turnover rates have been increasing. I understand that the committee has recently been considering the issue of northern employment, with the full support of Nanisivik Mines Limited. This concern lead to the Department of Economic Development and Tourism to issue a contract to Kakivak Association to study this committee.

I believe that especially due to the issue of employment, it will be important that the GNWT continue to have strong representatives on this committee, especially in light of current concerns about northern employment and benefits in my constituency.

Later this session, I will be asking our Premier , who will be representing the GNWT in light of the termination of the regional director's position in the Baffin region. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Stanton Regional Hospital's Haemodialysis Clinic

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Page 499

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier today, along with the other three Yellowknife MLAs, I had the opportunity to attend a ribbon-clamping ceremony, which was the official opening of the Stanton Regional Health Board haemodialysis clinic.

Mr. Speaker, this clinic is designed to facilitate the repatriation of Northwest Territories patients who, because of kidney disease, had been required to reside close to southern treatment facilities. Effective the 1st of May, the service began here and already two Northwest Territories residents, one from Yellowknife and one from Hay River, are receiving their treatment in the North.

Mr. Speaker, three more Northwest Territories residents will return from the South in the next few weeks. Their home communities are Yellowknife, Fort Providence and Dettah.

Mr. Speaker, this haemodialysis clinic was established with close links to the University of Alberta Hospital dialysis program. The U of A program provides considerable support to our service, including a consulting kidney specialist who visits every six months.

The Stanton clinic operates under the supervision of Doctor Sylvain Chouinard, an internist who has received special training from the University of Alberta Hospital. Clinic nursing staff have also received special training and, as I said earlier, close links will be maintained with the U of A Hospital's haemodialysis program.

Mr. Speaker, this is an example of us spending our money in the North. It costs no more, it provides a boost to the economy and it improves the lives of northerners because they are closer to their friends and family. Mr. Speaker, we need to continue the process of looking for more opportunities like this. I would like to congratulate the Stanton Regional Hospital Board on their initiative in this program and encourage them to continue looking for more opportunities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Difficulties Receiving Social Assistance At Yellowknife Women's Centre

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the income support which was formerly known as social assistance. Mr. Speaker, we've often been told that the budget will not be balanced on the backs of the poor; however, I have received several letters from constituents as well as from the Yellowknife Women's Centre indicating that clients who go to the Yellowknife Career Centre are being told that unless children are a factor, no person is eligible for an emergency appointment even though they, themselves, are without food or accommodation.

Even if a client with children is considered for an emergency appointment, which means they are either without food or a place to stay, the average delay to receiving any assistance is about two weeks.

The Women's Centre has also been told by some of their clients that people with children are either being told emergency assistance no longer exists or they are denied emergency assistance, even though they have no food for either themselves or their children. Clients have also been told, whether they have children or not and they're seeking a regular appointment with an income support worker, on average they are delayed five to six weeks before they are assisted.

Similarly, clients with or without children who miss appointments are denied assistance until the following month, which means they are unable to pay their rent or buy food and diapers for a period of six weeks to two months.

Mr. Speaker, the Yellowknife Women's Centre is being told by their clients that clients are told to access food at the Yellowknife food bank which is no longer in operation, or at the Salvation Army food bank, until their appointment with an income support worker. The Salvation Army indicates that they generally limit a person's ability to access limited types of food to twice in one month, and they only provide food for a couple of days at a time.

Numerous clients have also complained that the receptionist at the front desk of the Career Centre is rude, abusive and obstructive in her behaviour. The Women's Centre has also been informed that appointments with income support workers are often scheduled mid-month, even if clients book ahead. Therefore, they aren't able to meet the legal requirements of paying rent at the 1st of the following month, which leaves them open for eviction by landlords.

Mr. Speaker, the Women's Centre has also been informed that students on income support who attend Aurora College from the communities outside of Yellowknife and have had airfare provided by their families to go home for Easter break, have had that amount of money deducted from income support which left them unable to pay for rent or food for themselves or their children.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A further complaint that the Yellowknife Women's Centre has heard is that clients are not being informed that they have the right to appeal decisions that have been made by the income support worker, nor are they provided with the appropriate documentation to pursue an appeal.

Mr. Speaker, we have often heard that this government will not balance the budget on the backs of the poor. Surely, Mr. Speaker, if some of these allegations are true, then perhaps we are indeed attempting to balance the budget somewhat on the backs of the poor. These types of things should not be happening. I would urge the Minister responsible for income support to look into these matters. I put him on notice that I will be asking questions at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a good friend of mine and also my brother-in-law from Clyde River, Mr. James Akavak.

--- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger . .

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Question 269-13(3): Status Of Honorarium For Panel On The Economy And Employment

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 500

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier . Could the Premier indicate to the House what kind of stipend his economic panel is going to be paid, if any? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It was my intention at the very onset of establishing this panel to pick people who are very committed to the North, very committed to seeing the North develop and creating jobs in the North. It was my understanding that we would not be paying any honorariums to panel members. There is talk of some of the panel members requesting at least $1 a year to be paid, so there was some type of contractual arrangement between the two.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Have the panel all accepted the appointments?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 501

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

As Members know as well, most of the Northwest Territories is subject to the settlement of comprehensive claims and most of those have benefit agreements that are required by law to be fulfilled when projects are being proposed. There are discussions with communities and regions as to trying to find ways to encourage communities, particularly aboriginal people to take on jobs and training in the industries that are most prevailing.

Those are the types of initiatives that this government tries to advance, as well as looking at partnerships between the mining companies and the aboriginal claims organizations in the area to ensure that a working relationship is established at the onset and the working relationship is posed to result in some very real benefits to both parties as work progresses. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Barnabas .

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Supplementary To Question 270-13(3): Status Of Economic Benefits Agreements With Mining Companies

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Page 501

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In 1974, an agreement was made with what became Nanisivik Mines Ltd. This agreement was meant to ensure that jobs at Nanisivik Mines went to northerners. Does the Minister plan on implementing similar agreements with mines that are planning to open in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I apologize earlier for calling you Mr. Chairman. Mr. Speaker, the panel have all accepted their appointments and I look forward to calling a meeting around mid-June. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 270-1313): Status Of Economic Benefits Agreements With Mining Companies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends) ... Mines and Petroleum Resources. In his Budget Address, the Minister of Finance stated that mining companies are welcome here as they are prepared to create jobs for northerners. Can the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources explain what this department is doing to ensure that the mining companies do indeed create jobs for northerners? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 270-1313): Status Of Economic Benefits Agreements With Mining Companies

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Page 501

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 270-1313): Status Of Economic Benefits Agreements With Mining Companies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources has worked with the mining industry to alert them to the fact that prior to any projects being initiated in advance, we require an effort on the part of the government, with the mining industry taking the lead, to negotiate with affected regions and communities a package that would demonstrate realistic benefits in terms of jobs, training and economic spin-offs that would be of benefit directly and indirectly. That is one initiative we work with.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, it is my view that the agreements for each specific project are best left to be negotiated by the affected parties. Presumably, that would be the local communities and the regional aboriginal organizations, as well as the regional business and political organizations. It is my view that each agreement, by its nature, would be different depending on the needs and expectations of the communities, its people and the regions. As well, the expectations of the company involved may vary from region to region.

It is my view that benefits from mining initiatives, for instance, are not realistic if we set very high employment percentages. We should look for diversifying the expectations of where and what benefits should come to the communities and the regions. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 270-1313): Status Of Economic Benefits Agreements With Mining Companies

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The agreement that was made for Nanisivik Mines was established. (Translation ends) ... the Commissioner was supposed to appoint a counsellor whose job it would be to assist northerners in getting jobs administered along with getting appropriate training and support, but such a counsellor was never appointed. As a result, the number of northerners working at Nanisivik Mines has been disappointing. Can the Minister ensure this House and ensure all northerners that he and his government will follow through on any agreements made with the mining companies planning to open new mines in the NWT to ensure that northerners get the jobs at those new mines? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I believe that it is a good suggestion to be made and one that this government can work with. One of the suggested recommendations is to work with mining companies to see if some sort of transportation subsidy could be initiated by this government to enhance the employment of aboriginal people and northern residents from surrounding communities and even adjacent regions, in order to increase the number of jobs taken by aboriginal and northern people. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 271-13(3): Taloyoak Resident Not Receiving Old Age Pension

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 502

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated in my Member's statement, an elder living in Taloyoak should now be receiving an old-age pension but hasn't yet received it. That pension fundamentally belongs to the individual. Mr. Speaker, I have talked to this issue since the day I got elected in the year 1989 with no avail. There are a number of occasions that have come to my attention for the past six and a half years.

Here is one more which hasn't been delivered. The individual in question is unilingual. He has no knowledge of the western legal system. The gentleman has no access to a lawyer at the community level. The individual is an elder who should now be receiving an old-age pension. The individual knows that there are people much younger than he is receiving the old-age pension. In the community, according to the knowledge of elders, the church records and the records from the RCMP office are incorrect and these elders can attest to that fact.

My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services and the Justice Minister , in this case. Will the Minister direct his staff to Mr. Jimmy Totalik __ I will spell the name, for the record; T-O-T-A-L-l-K -- and have a legal aid worker talk to Mr. Totalik to find a way to make sure records are corrected, so the gentlemen will receive the old-age pension that he should be receiving? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member is correct, he has brought this issue before me as the Minister of Health and Social Services in the past. It is difficult to deal with the issue when you are trying to substantiate records contrary to what is on file with the RCMP and what is on file with the church groups. However, recognizing the issue the honourable Member has brought forward, I will have someone take a look at the matter once again to see if there is anything that can be done to rectify the situation about this individual's age.

I have to say that it will be difficult, without some form of substantiation that we will need, to bring forward a case for having his year of birth corrected, Mr. Speaker.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe, Mr. Speaker, the records can be rectified. I say that because I have talked to many elders in Taloyoak who were around at the time the gentlemen was born. So will the honourable Minister talk to his staff to make sure records are corrected, once and for all? There are necessary documents that can be witnessed by the elders. Will he get his staff to talk to Mr. Totalik and deal with the matter once and for all?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated, yes, I am willing to have a staff person speak to Mr. Totalik to try to get some information. As I indicated earlier, if the records were improperly recorded to begin with, then it is a difficult situation unless you have someone who was there at the time who can correct what was recorded in the case of this individual's year of birth. As you know, back then it was a federal responsibility for those types of records. We will work with the honourable Member and with his constituent to try to resolve the situation. Thank you.

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Question 272-13(3): Funding For Beaufort/delta Legal Services Clinic

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 502

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice . It is with regard to the funding of the Beaufort/Delta legal services clinic for funds that have been allocated to service contracts to service clients who need legal aid. It has been noted with regard to the number of resources that have been allocated to other jurisdictions with regard to the legal services. As you will note, the Mackenzie Delta, at one time, had two legal services: Arctic Rim Law Society, which is based out of Tuktoyaktuk; and, Mackenzie Delta Legal Services, out of Inuvik. Since then, they amalgamated to form one, called the Beaufort/Delta Legal Services Clinic.

With regard to the amount of resources that are going to be allocated this year for $260,000 to maintain the two operations into one, if you figure it out based on percentages and the number of clients and court activity, as well as the cost, to date the Beaufort/Delta in the past year have had 4,660 court cases. Other areas, such as the Keewatin, had 1,443. Those clients, in the case of the Beaufort/Delta have received $260,000. The Kitikmeot, $200,000 works out to an average per court appearance of $138.60. Yet, the Beaufort/Delta works out to $55. That's almost two-thirds less than what is being spent there.

Just to use another scenario; for instance, in the last 10 months of 1995-96, the number of applications in the Kitikmeot was 205 which works out to almost a $976 cost per applicant, yet the Mackenzie-Delta with 297 works out to $870. Between those two costs, it works out to about $100 difference.

In closing, I would like to ask the Minister to see if there's a possibility of reviewing the funds that will be allocated for 1996-97 with regard to the Beaufort/Delta, and also all services in the Northwest Territories, to maintain that all individuals who apply for legal aid will have adequate resources available to them and also allow for the funds to be allocated equally right across the Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Legal Services Board of the Northwest Territories has jurisdiction for decisions relating to how they provide services throughout the Northwest Territories. That decision to amalgamate the two boards in the Inuvik area was made by the Legal Services Board as a whole. There was representation from the region who sits on the Legal Services Board. Having recognized the Member's concern, I will ask the Legal Services Board to review the decision that they've made. But as it stands now, I am supporting the decision of the board. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since the budget of last year, there has been a $140,000 cut to the level of funding the region has been allocated; we have basically taken a $140,000 cut to the level of funds we are getting. It's unacceptable that someone from one riding will have a court cost of $55, yet in other areas it's almost up to $165 which is almost $110 more between one constituency and the other. I think we're talking about budget restraint, trying to bring people in line and also fairness as to how this money is allocated.

I think we have to seriously look at the amount of resources that are spent, that we somehow try to ensure that the court costs aren't any higher in any one place versus the other place. Regarding the question of being accountable and also talking about the deficit, why isn't the Minister taking that into consideration in this case?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are taking into consideration the Legal Services Board's action on this particular matter to amalgamate the two boards. There have been some significant cost savings identified through combining the administrative functions of those two boards. That is where a lot of the savings are being identified, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko , supplementary.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It doesn't matter if you amalgamate two legal firms or 10 legal firms, the number of applicants will still be there. During the last year, the Beaufort/Delta has had 4,660 applicants, versus in the Kitikmeot where there was 1,222, which is a difference of almost 3,000. The services still have to meet the demand of those individuals, so the resources for that demand has to be there. I think that's the point that I'm trying to make. Because of the discretion with regard to funding, you can't adequately service that many people for the amount of resources you have. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. There was no question there. Again, I would like to remind the Members about their

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preamble at the beginning. Mr. Krutko , you added about four minutes of speech to your two supplementary questions. Mr. Krutko , your point of order.

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Mackenzie Delta

I think there was a question. It was with regard to the number of clients in one region versus the other. There is 4,000 plus in the Delta, versus 1,200.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Krutko , could you ask the question to the Minister then? I heard a statement but I didn't hear a question. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The number of applicants who filed in the Mackenzie-Delta last year was 4,660, yet in other ridings such as the Kitikmeot there was 1,228. Because of the discretion in the numbers, do you think the adequate resources have to be there to meet the demands of those services?

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not certain about the numbers of applications, one versus the other. However, I will say that the Legal Services Board is an independent board. They allocate the funding based on what they see as the needs throughout the Northwest Territories, and they place those resources as they feel they are most required, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Again, just to remind the Members, if any Members are questioning the ruling of the chair, I have to, in this case, Mr. Krutko , review the Hansard to see whether you did in fact challenge the chair. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 273-13(3): Update On Iqaluit Generator Difficulties

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister of NTPC announced a serious situation with the generator failure in Iqaluit on Friday in this House. Can the Minister for NTPC give us an update on the developments there? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it has been determined that the fire has damaged the generator only, so the Power Corporation has located a used generator in Texas. This is the exact same type of generator: 2.5 megawatts. Arrangements are being made to have it trucked to Canada and it will then be flown to Iqaluit. We're not sure as to the availability of an aircraft that will handle the load, so I can't give a firm time frame, but we expect that it will be up and running in Iqaluit within the next three to four weeks.

At this point in time, we still don't know what caused the failure and the fire. As I said, Mr. Speaker, it has been determined that the engine is still in good shape, so it's only the generator we're replacing.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 274-13(3): Responsibility For Maintenance On Ingraham Trail

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Friday I made a Member's statement and indicated that my constituents on the Ingraham Trail were concerned about the upkeep of the Ingraham Trail. My question is for the Minister of Transportation . Who pays for the upkeep of the Ingraham Trail?

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Transportation has the task of maintaining the Ingraham Trail. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to know if the big trucks that are carrying loads back and forth on Ingraham Trail pay in any way for the upkeep of that highway.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, the transportation companies do not pay for the maintenance of the Ingraham Trail. Thank you.

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Thank you. Mr. Erasmus , supplementary.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Considering the fact that these trucks carry considerable loads and often at maximum capacity -- and, it has been heard, at overcapacity -- is it possible to put a surcharge on large vehicles that are travelling back and forth; say $200 a load or something?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at the present time, the department does not charge large transport trucks for transporting any of our infrastructure in the Northwest Territories, including along the Ingraham Trail. Thank you.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for his information, that we currently do not have a surcharge. Is it possible, under our current legislation, to implement a surcharge for these large trucks? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 504

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government is under a lot of financial restraint and we're always looking for innovative ways to try to generate revenues. As we know, 80 per cent of the NWT government's revenue comes from transfer payments, we have a very small private sector contributing to our economy. As we go through the budget and begin work in the next three years, perhaps it's one of the areas where we could

look to see what we could do as the Department of Transportation in trying to increase the private sector contributions to our revenue. This is a good suggestion and I'll take that as advice. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 275-13(3): Possibility Of Public Service Strike

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 505

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the honourable Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, my better half is the chairperson of the local education community in Pelly Bay, my son is a member of the teaching staff and I have about five grandchildren who are attending school. In the event that government employees would rule on the contract, what is going to happen then? Will there be a strike? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 505

John Todd

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the UNW employees do not ratify the agreement that they're supposed to set out this week or next week and they vote no, it will mean that we'll have to move to mediation. Mediation takes 21 days. I've made it abundantly clear to the union and the union has made it clear to us that there is no other room for any further compromise or additional dollars, so a no vote would mean the inevitability of a strike. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In case there is a strike within the system, is the government prepared? Thank you.

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John Todd

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me answer that by saying that this government is certainly not advocating a strike. We did move forward in trying to negotiate in a reasonable and fair way with our colleagues in the UNW. We came to a standstill and both parties agreed to send the agreement out. It's my understanding that the union will be recommending to vote no. I think it's unfortunate. However, Mr. Speaker, we are developing a plan and will be ready for a strike, should it occur. But it's certainly not the position of this government to advocate that at any time. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 276-13(3): Statistics On Legal Services Clinics

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 505

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of Justice . As we heard earlier in question period about the funding and the way it's split up between the different societies or legal aid clinics, I would like to know if the Minister will endeavour to find out the cases or workload on each of the different societies. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Justice , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Minister finds the numbers that were mentioned today correct, will he then review -- he mentioned earlier that he would review that with the Legal Services Board -- the funding that would go with the cases that are being dealt with? Thank you.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if upon review of the client workload, there seems to be a perceived inequity in the funding in relation to the number of cases, I would certainly bring that to the attention of the Legal Services Board and ask them to explain the rationale for their funding allocations across the Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister then inform me of when this might occur?

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 277-13(3): GNWT Representative At Negotiations With Nanisivik Mines

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 506

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During my Member's statement about the meeting in Nanisivik about the committee for Nanisivik Mines, they are due to meet this summer in Arctic Bay, and the Baffin regional director's position will be removed. I would like to ask the Premier who will be representing the GNWT. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Page 506

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take that question as notice and get back to the Member tomorrow. Thank you.

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Page 506

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 278-13(3): Availability Of Housing For GNWT Staff

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 506

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past several weeks, it has been very obvious that the GNWT is moving aggressively to get out of the staff housing market. Can the Minister inform me and the House what we are putting in place to make sure that there are adequate housing units available for employees who are being transferred or posted between communities, to make sure that in actuality there is housing available for them? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 506

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Again, just to remind the Members that when they're asking a question of the Minister, that they say the Minister to whom they are asking the question. The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 278-13(3): Availability Of Housing For GNWT Staff

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Page 506

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the policy that covers staff housing is under the responsibility of the Financial Management Board Secretariat, so I'll take the question as notice on the Minister's behalf.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 279-13(3): Report On Meeting Of Premier's Panel

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 506

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Premier . In his statement, he talked of his panel on the economy and employment. I would like to know when we will be able to hear something back from this first meeting.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my full intention to keep committees as well as all Members of this Assembly fully up to date on any recommendations that come out of this independent panel. I will do that immediately after we meet. So I will be keeping Members

fully up to date on all recommendations coming out of this panel. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further on that issue, are you planning to hold meetings around the different communities?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That's a good idea, and we will look at that for sure to see if we can meet in other communities, at least in every region in the North, if that is possible. I think that's a very good idea, and I will put it forward to the panel as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again on this issue, do you have a set agenda as to what types of opportunities you are looking for, or is that why you are meeting?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Question 279-13(3): Re