Debates of March 4th, 2005

This is page numbers 1769 - 1796 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Condolences To The Families Of Alberta Rcmp Officers

Condolences To Families Of Slain Rcmp Officers

90th Birthday Wishes To Mrs. Mary Kendi

Transfer Of Social Housing To Ece

Condolences To Fallen Rcmp

Northern Strategy

Origin Of Hockey In Deline

Effect Of Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder On Adults

Kam Lake Access Road

Condolences To Families Of Slain Rcmp Officers

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Support For Trapping Activities

Availability Of Screening Tools For Fasd

Condominium Legislation On Capital Reserves

Inspectors For Transportation Of Dangerous Goods

Status Of Schools In The Sahtu Region

Review Of Social Housing Policy For Arrears

Update On Kam Lake Access Road

Adoption Of Plan To Manage Bathurst Caribou Herd

Qualifications For Public Housing

Expansion Of Rcmp Dare Program

Impact Of Resource Development On Trapping

Taxation On Aboriginal Education Funding

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 8: Returns To Written Questions

Return To Written Question 70-15(3): Teacher Education Program Graduates

Return To Written Question 71-15(3): Health Services In The Sahtu

Return To Written Question 75-15(3): Land Claims Within Municipal Boundaries

Tabled Document 119-15(3): Transportation Of Dangerous Goods Act (1990) 2004 Annual Report

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Yakeleya , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 103-15(3): Condolences To The Families Of Alberta Rcmp Officers

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is with great sadness that I speak to an event that reminds us of the dangers facing those who put their lives on the line to make our communities safer. Yesterday, four RCMP officers were shot and killed while investigating a suspected marijuana grow operation near Rochfort Bridge, Alberta.

This serious and tragic event has touched all of us, especially the officers' colleagues here in the Northwest Territories who are represented in this House this morning by Inspector Greg Morrow and Inspector Roch Fortin of "G" division. It also reminds us of the thanks we owe to those RCMP officers in our northern communities and across Canada who risk their lives to protect the public.

On behalf of the government, Members of the Assembly and the people of the Northwest Territories, I offer heartfelt sympathies to the friends and families of the officers who lost their lives yesterday.

Mr. Speaker, I would ask that Members rise and observe a moment of silence to remember the fallen officers.

----Moment of Silence

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Minister's Statement 103-15(3): Condolences To The Families Of Alberta Rcmp Officers

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . I am sure I can speak on behalf of all Members in the House in joining you in passing on our condolences to the families and to the force as well. It is indeed a sad day for the history of Canada when something that terrible happens. It reminds us how close to home it can actually happen. I am sure I can speak on behalf of all Members in passing on our condolences.

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Condolences To Families Of Slain Rcmp Officers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I, too, want to share my sadness and shock at the tragic events that occurred in the tiny community of Mayerthorpe, Alberta. I express

heartfelt sadness at the loss to the families and to the force of the RCMP and to all peacekeepers across Canada. Watching and listening to this horrible story yesterday, brought to mind events that happened in this community, Mr. Speaker. It seems a long, long time ago now. But the events of the Giant Mine tragedy were so much like what Mayerthorpe is experiencing today. It is something that goes right to the heart and the soul of a community.

Mr. Speaker, the consequences of what happened yesterday will no doubt take many, many different forms and shapes over the weeks and months to come. As legislators and lawmakers, I hope we can engage in that to our fullest ability, but for today the message I want to send from me and from this Legislature and this community is to the families of the slain officers and to the community. I wish them all the very best in the days and weeks to come. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the constituents of Range Lake, I, too, would like to take a moment this day to pay respect to the four RCMP officers killed in the line of duty yesterday in Alberta. Mr. Speaker, this is a very sad and tragic event in Canadian history and I hope that the families and colleagues of the four officers who so bravely gave their lives and service to their country find some comfort in knowing that the whole nation shares their loss and sadness this day and we are sending along our prayers and deepest sympathies. This is certainly a reminder how these officers put their lives on the line every time they report for work.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to send special well wishes and condolences to the RCMP "G" division district in the North to the commanding officer, Everett Summerfield, and Inspector Morrow and Inspector Fortin in the gallery, and all men and women in uniform in the North who give us safety, who give their service and who do such a great job in looking after the safety and well-being of our people. I think it is a day for us to all remember how important their work is and how grateful we are for those people who do that job for us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Handley .

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90th Birthday Wishes To Mrs. Mary Kendi

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

I, too, on behalf of myself personally, my family, the people of Weledeh and the people of the Northwest Territories, want to express my condolences to the families and colleagues across Canada to the officers who were killed on duty. I want, Mr. Speaker, though to go beyond that and make a statement on something because I think it is important. These officers want us to carry on with the good things that go on in this world and make it a better place to live and to be.

Mr. Speaker, I want to take this occasion to switch a little bit here and say that I want to wish a person a happy birthday on her 90th birthday. Mrs. Mary Kendi from Aklavik is celebrating her 90th birthday today.

---Applause

I want to take time to admire Mrs. Kendi for her commitment to her family, her community and her culture. Mary has proven herself over and over again, with her kind generosity to many visitors to Aklavik. She has made many people feel welcome to her home and has never been afraid to show her true identity. In fact, I could say, Mr. Speaker, that Mrs. Kendi is someone, even at her age, who attended practically all, if not every meeting that I have ever been at, she has been there and she is certainly ready to speak on behalf of her community.

Mrs. Kendi has been called upon, from time to time over the past few decades, to identify works of clothing from the Gwich'in heritage and many museums and has been inspirational in keeping our traditional languages alive. Her contribution to the Gwich'in culture has benefited all of us in the Territories. I want to take this time to wish Mary Kendi a very happy 90th birthday and to thank her for all that she has done for those around her and also to wish her good health and happiness. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Transfer Of Social Housing To Ece

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, mahsi cho. I, too, would like to say briefly that my condolences go out to all the loved ones involved in the loss of the RCMP officers in the line of duty. At this time I would like to say a special thank you to all the RCMP officers that serve us in the North. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

I would beg the Speaker's indulgence and I would also like to present my Member's statement. I am very concerned with the transfer of the responsibility of social housing from the NWT Housing Corporation to the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. I am yet to be convinced that this is a necessary program of refinement. It took us 30 years to get to where we are today in delivering housing programs at the community level. It is not perfect, but it works for the majority of clients and the NWT Housing Corporation.

The question for me now is how badly things will get screwed up before they get better. With apologies to Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, it seems to me, Mr. Speaker, that this initiative is on a four-year mission to blindly go where no man has gone before.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, any time there is a fundamental shift in the way government delivers programs and services to residents, there are problems. Issues like new people trying to deliver programs they are not familiar with, employees from the NWT Housing Corporation having to adapt to the corporate culture of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and just general confusion of which department will be responsible for which programs, will all combine to cause problems for residents trying to access the social housing network.

For this year, Mr. Speaker, the plan is to continue with the status quo. The local housing authorities will deliver social housing programs on behalf of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. The funding to deliver these programs will be transferred from ECE to the Housing Corporation and will flow to the local housing authorities in the same way it always has.

However, Mr. Speaker, I am concerned with how social housing will be delivered in 2006-07. How will my constituents be treated? Will there be sudden changes in program eligibility? Will income thresholds be calculated differently? How will income support workers be involved? If support workers are involved, will social housing clients even want to deal with them? Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my Member's statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude you statement, Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, colleagues, for allowing me to conclude my Member's statement.

These questions and many more, Mr. Speaker, will need to be answered in the coming months. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment will have to roll out any changes to the way social housing is delivered in a measured manner over a period of time, so that people can adjust in a timely manner.

Public consultation is another issue that needs to be addressed, Mr. Speaker. I do not want to see the department blindly going ahead and implementing new social housing and income security policies without input from the people who access the system. I will be following up with the Minister of ECE in the weeks to come. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Before we go on I would just like to draw your attention to the gallery for one of our Members here. Robert McLeod has his wife, Judy, and daughter Kimberly, in the gallery. Also with them is Donovan Avery and Richard Ross, Jr. They have to leave right away because they are here representing Inuvik in the curling playdowns.

---Applause

Welcome to the Legislative Assembly. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Condolences To Fallen Rcmp

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time, I, too, wish to express my condolences to the fallen RCMP and their families. Mr. Speaker, it's not too much to ask, as this Assembly has done, to take a moment in silence as we truly express our concern for what has happened.

Mr. Speaker, there is no way I can express in such a way to say the RCMP are truly a pillar in our communities. There is a connection in every way. They represent role models to the young, they keep us safe at night, and they protect our families.

Mr. Speaker, I will say in closing that the RCMP truly are a symbol of Canada in the importance of upholding our laws and as lawmakers we have to ensure that our RCMP, as well as all our enforcement agencies, are enabled with proper tools to do their jobs. Every day they are in the line of fire and yesterday was a sad reminder that they go out there to protect us and sometimes put themselves in front of that line of fire and we have to make sure that we do our jobs to support them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Northern Strategy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to send our condolences to the RCMP families and their loved ones. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about the Northern Strategy as, unfortunately, I was unable to participate in the debate during Committee of the Whole.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to inform this government of my support for the Northern Strategy and its goals and objectives. This has been a long journey for the people of the Northwest Territories in our struggle to take our rightful place in Canada and be recognized for our contribution. Without an agreement, Mr. Speaker, protecting our resources and revenues expected from the diamond mines and oil and gas, we will always be dependant on the federal government.

Mr. Speaker, I believe it is about time we left the nest and built our own. The Northern Strategy is our ticket to independence and the right for the people of the Northwest Territories to one day become self-sufficient, self-reliant and a healthy, viable territory. We have the commitment from the Prime Minister to move forward with the Northern Strategy. The commitment is one thing, Mr. Speaker, but there will still be a lot of hard work, determination and focus needed to get everything signed, sealed and delivered.

I say this, Mr. Speaker, because I speak firsthand of how we, as Inuvialuit, rejoiced when the Inuvialuit Final Agreement was signed and sealed. We are still working on getting it delivered. This government must recognize the importance of the Northern Strategy and concentrate on arriving at a deal for resource revenue sharing and devolution, rather than worrying about changing the name of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, the time is now and it is the responsibility of this government to take advantage of this small window of opportunity. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Origin Of Hockey In Deline

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, on behalf of the Sahtu region, want to send our condolences to the families of the RCMP members who were killed; especially when in our small communities they become like family members.

I would like to do my Member's statement, Mr. Speaker. I want to say that today is an historical day for hockey in the Northwest Territories. In 1825, Sir John Franklin wrote in his journal about hockey being played on Great Bear Lake. Mr. Speaker, do we know that the birthplace of one of our past-time sports, hockey, was played in Deline on the largest hockey rink in Canada?

Mr. Speaker, what is this government doing or planning to do to recognize the historical significance in Canadian hockey? We in the Sahtu, especially in Deline, are looking for support for tourism. Why hasn't this government laced up its skates and teamed up with the community of Deline to be recognized as an historical spot in Canada?

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, we need our government to be on our side, to get in the game with the Sahtu people of the Northwest Territories and to get out there with the rest of Canada and hit the facts hard. Hockey Night in Canada began in Deline in 1825 under the moonlight, stars and northern lights of Great Bear Lake. Mr. Speaker, the community of Deline is celebrating this historical event by hosting a weekend of fun and strengthening their friendships through planned events this weekend. Mr.

Speaker, the community of Deline has future stars in many sports and we must get on the same side and have our top three lines from this government to tic-tac-toe through the game and score the big goal for the Northwest Territories in hockey.

Mr. Speaker, I believe I have witnessed the fancy stick handling by the Ministers during the last few weeks on that side, and I believe that that skill could be used in an effort to utilize in the rightful place to call Hockey Night in Canada at Great Bear Lake. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Effect Of Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder On Adults

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to offer my condolences this morning; I think especially to the mothers of these young men. I have two sons myself that are probably about the same age as a couple of these young RCMP officers who died. We do

what we can to protect our children, but these are very honourable callings to take up the job to protect the public and the public safety, and I certainly do send out condolences to the families and especially the mothers of these young men today.

Mr. Speaker, today I would like to talk about Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder, specifically as it affects adults. Mr. Speaker, FASD was identified as a medical condition in 1973. We know that in provinces or territories with high levels of alcohol consumption, FASD is widespread. FASD is a lifelong condition. Mr. Speaker, a child with FASD becomes an adult with FASD. Adults that have FASD often behave in socially inappropriate ways, are unable to hold down a job and frequently have problems with the law. In many cases, they are labelled as troublemakers or bad people, when in fact they have a disability and require support to be successful contributing members of society.

The unfortunate reality, Mr. Speaker, is that FASD often goes undiagnosed. Without the diagnosis, individuals do not qualify for medical or financial support that they would otherwise be entitled to as would anyone with a mental health illness. We spend thousands of dollars putting people through the justice system, yet we fail to provide a diagnostic team to properly assess individuals with FASD.

Mr. Speaker, the diagnosis of FASD is a collaborative effort by professionals in a variety of fields. To date there is no available information of the numbers of people with FASD in the Northwest Territories because of the lack of a complete diagnostic team and screening tools. How do we know, Mr. Speaker, whom to help and what type of help they require and the amount of money to spend on FASD if we don't know the numbers?

Mr. Speaker, adults suffering from FASD have a variety of needs for special supports and services to give them a chance to live a productive life with their families and within their communities. If we are going to make a final diagnosis of this condition and offer the proper support, Mr. Speaker, then we need to have a team in place for that purpose. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Kam Lake Access Road

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, on behalf of my family and the constituents of Kam Lake, wish to offer condolences to the fallen RCMP members who lost their lives near Mayerthorpe yesterday.

In 2003, the last year when statistics are available, the weigh scale in Enterprise saw 176 million litres of diesel oil and nearly 34 million kilograms of ammonium nitrate, which is a prime component in making explosives, go through. As you are aware, Mr. Speaker, the vast majority of these dangerous goods were either destined for Yellowknife or for the diamond mines further north.

At all hours of the day and night, including those times when children are walking to and from school, these trucks, heavily laden with dangerous goods, rumble past or through the residential areas of Yellowknife, many on their way to the Kam Lake Industrial Park. The sheer volume of dangerous goods going through the residential areas of Yellowknife and the potential for accidents or spills is more than enough reason to advance the building of the Kam Lake access road.

Airport Road in Yellowknife is seeing a tremendous amount of heavy truck traffic. We certainly need to put an emphasis on public safety. The number of reported spills of dangerous goods in the Northwest Territories has increased sharply, from six in 2001, to 22 in 2002, and 25 reported in 2003. Despite the increase in the amount of dangerous goods being transported, the number of ticket situations has decreased. To date, the city of Yellowknife has fortunately been able to avoid a large spill or accident. We cannot continue to rely on luck, Mr. Speaker.

We have to ensure that this access road is built, and many in the community see it as an essential piece of public infrastructure that will address the issue of public safety. Mr. Speaker, I have spoken in the House on several occasions about the Kam Lake access road and the need to address public safety and I will continue to do so, until the road does become a reality. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Condolences To Families Of Slain Rcmp Officers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In light of the news that we heard yesterday about the senseless killing of the four RCMP officers in Northern Alberta, I just want to offer my condolences, and also from my constituents, to the families, friends and co-workers of these four brave men who were killed in the line of duty.

Mr. Speaker, we have said a lot of things in this House over the last couple of days about the services offered to us by the RCMP. I am sure that my colleagues would join me in saying that we support and appreciate the work that they do and I hope that they do their jobs under the safest circumstances possible.

We do a lot of complaining about the safety of our communities. It is not only in the hands of the police, Mr. Speaker, it is also in the hands of the community and our community leaders to help the RCMP to make sure that our communities remain crime-free so that we can avoid the tragedy like the one in Northern Alberta.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I hope we can all learn something from this tragedy and volunteer to help our RCMP and our local police when our help is asked for. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

I would like to take this opportunity to recognize my executive assistant, Sue Tkachuk, in the gallery and with her, it gives me great pleasure to introduce two special guests, my grandsons, Logan and Cordell Gagnier.

---Applause

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Question 540-15(3): Support For Trapping Activities

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are to the Honourable Brendan Bell , the Minister of RWED , just with respect to the new trapping initiatives that he mentioned earlier this week in a Minister's statement of support to the traditional economy. I am just not too familiar with how it is going to be rolled out. Is that new initiative beginning April 1st? Perhaps the Minister can detail that for me, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These programs that we set up some couple of years back, I believe two years now running, continue on. What we are seeing is an increased uptake and an increase in the level of trapping. I think that much of it has to do with the prices that these furs are fetching at auction. The market has been particularly good. The Asia Pacific market is opening up for our furs, along with the traditional interest we have seen from the European trading area. So this is all good news for our trappers.

I think in addition, anecdotally, we have noticed that people who are working in mines and have two weeks on and two weeks off are able in their down time to pursue these traditional activities, and that's certainly something we support. But our programs are ongoing and we do facilitate and help trappers get their furs to market and we also provide them with a grubstake amount the beginning of the season to get them back in action for the next year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm totally in support of initiatives put forward by RWED with respect to this, because on my last trip home to Fort Simpson there were lot of young trappers who were out there and they are doing it on their own. So is there a contact person in Fort Simpson or even in Fort Liard that this program will be rolled out with, or a contact person to talk to? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The renewable resource officers in each community are responsible for the administration of the program. They work with local trappers to ensure that they're there to take in furs as trappers come off the traplines and then get the furs to market for those trappers, and also providing them with their advances and their bonus if the fur comes in at a level that warrants a bonus and we're fairly certain that it will fetch a high price at market. So it's the renewable resource officers.

I'll certainly provide contact information for the Member, but I know that at the beginning of each season one of the tasks and one of the roles for the RRO is to go out and meet with various community organizations and ensure that we advertise the program and talk about the program so that everybody knows about it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps the Minister can detail for me if there is assistance in terms of purchasing trapping products or equipment such as snowmobiles and traps. Is that part of the new program that is going to be rolled out? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The grubstake program that's available at the beginning of the season for trappers who harvested a certain number of pelts the previous year -- I can't remember exactly what the number is, but I think it's around 20 -- those who have met that threshold are eligible for the grubstake amount of money and I think it's in the neighbourhood of $5,000 to help them get their equipment up and ready for the season. So if they want to do repairs to their snow machine or purchase additional traps, that's what that money can be used for.

We have had a program in past years in order to comply with the agreement on humane trapping, that we signed with a number of countries. We had provided replacement traps for those who brought in traps that were no longer considered humane and I can certainly check and see if that is ongoing, but I think most of those traps are out of commission now. We've done that replacement. I'm sure we've spent over $1 million replacing traps across the Northwest Territories for people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Bell . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Does the support to the traditional economy have room for something like getting that certain age group between 50 and 65 out there assisting the young people learning how to trap? Was that program designed with that thought in mind, or is there a way we can do that, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

I certainly think that that's a great idea and it's one that we have used in the past to take an on-the-land program where we've had elders work

with youth in the community, usually through the schools and usually through support from the RWED office, to take young people out trapping and make sure that they understand and learn the skills so that there's some transfer of that traditional knowledge down to the next generation. I think that that's certainly the way forward for this program. I think the positive sign is that there seems to be more interest in trapping. It is becoming more lucrative. I think that bodes well for the future. We'll continue to work with youth in communities to ensure that this kind of programming is available. I think it's certainly a good idea. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 541-15(3): Availability Of Screening Tools For Fasd

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Groenewgen

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't want to offend the Minister of Justice today, but I have no questions for him at this time.

---Laughter

---Applause

My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, I spoke in my Member's statement about FASD. I think that the Minister is probably aware that we have some fairly major issues with FASD on a fairly broad-ranging scale of severity and of disability. I don't believe though we have really quantified the problems sufficiently in the Northwest Territories and I do think that a lot of the people who are having difficulty with our education system and with our justice system are people who are undiagnosed as having FASD.

I'd like to ask the Minister what is available right now in the Northwest Territories in terms of a screening tool and team with the qualifications necessary to identify this very pervasive condition. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member has raised a very key issue as we talk about FASD. If you accept, as we do, the Health Canada statistics that nine out of every 1,000 children born is affected with FASD and if you extrapolate that back a number of decades, then it is very clear to see that FASD is not a child's disease. It's a lifelong issue and that the population in the society we have, there are, by those statistical estimates, hundreds if not thousands of undiagnosed people in our society. Not only here, but in every jurisdiction.

We are members of the Canada Northwest Partnership. We're setting up a new research centre out of UBC with a satellite office in Calgary. There are screening capacities available, but screening is just a very preliminary first step. The actual assessment needs very specialized skills like a pediatric dysmorphologist, a psychiatric neurologist or neuro psychiatrist; sorry, or is it neuro psychologist? ...it's a neuro psychologist, I believe, among other things. So it is a team effort, as the Member said. It requires a family assessment and not just an individual assessment.

We have some capacity on the screening side for any kind of assessments that are basically done on a case-by-case basis at this point, and I agree with the Member that the whole area of the diagnosis and service to adults is, as of yet, an unaddressed area. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know it's difficult to diagnose, but if it can be shown that an adult does suffer from FASD, are there any specific supports or is it recognized as a disability for the accompanying supports in the Northwest Territories?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at present we have services for adults the same as we have a characterization on it. It is a special need that is not clearly defined, but, once again, if an adult is diagnosed or assessed with FASD, then it's a case-by-case basis at this point. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In a listing of supports available to persons with disabilities, is FASD listed as a disability for those purposes? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I'd have to check, but I don't think so.

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Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't think so either and I think there are a lot of adults out there that are in need of special support related to FASD. I'd like to ask the Minister what he's going to do to address that deficiency. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are doing a lot of things with the homeless, with services to adults, with the services we buy, our contract for facilities such as the Salvation Army for people that are having difficulty. At this point we know that there's a significant number of the population that require those services. So there are already some services there. The specific diagnosis of the individuals needing those services has yet to be clearly done in a more specific way so that it is clear what the individuals may be personally dealing with.

So we're going to continue to work on trying to do diagnosis. We're going to continue to work at services for homeless services to adults, and over time hopefully we'll come up with an easier and more efficient and effective way to do assessments. So then we can get a clear understanding of why the people that are there requiring those services do require those services. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I won't disappoint the Minister of Justice this morning, I do have a question for him, but it is in the area of consumer protection legislation, which comes under this department, Mr. Speaker. As our housing market across the Northwest Territories matures and diversifies, many more people are going into condominium kind of situations and there is a Condominium Act in the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker.

One particularly important part of this process is the issue of whether a condominium corporation is required to have a capital reserve fund to help pay for improvements and up-fits in a facility as it ages. The question that I have for the Minister in this area of consumer protection is whether our condominium legislation addresses that or how does our condominium legislation address the issue of capital reserve funds? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member raised this issue with me some time ago and in taking a look at the Condominium Act, I had to agree that it looked like there might be some area that we were not looking at. So I've asked the department to compare our Condominium Act with those acts across Canada. I think the area that we might be somewhat lacking in is whether or not the reserve fund is considered to be adequate. That's the area that I think they're going to have to examine; whether or not we should insist, like Alberta does, that there be an independent review by an auditor as to whether or not the assumptions underlying the reserve fund are accurate. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you. I'll look forward to at least that assessment. Can the Minister give any indication at this time of the number of condominium corporations in the Northwest Territories? Is this something that affects a large number of residents in the NWT? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not aware of the exact number of condominium corporations in operation right now. It is, though, I know a relatively small number. Condominiums are a fairly new method of housing in the Northwest Territories and that's one of the other reasons, as we start to see more and more of them, that we need to take a look at our act and make sure that we are protecting the consumers adequately.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So in connection with this particular issue then, is the Minister prepared to look at the Condominium Act in its entirety to see if it is, indeed, up to standards and a modern piece of legislation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Right now the stage we are at is trying to decide how much of the act we need to open up. We are taking a look at our act in comparison to other acts across Canada to get a sense of where we might be lacking or where there might be room to go to the public and say is this an area that you want us to look at. So I've been discussing with the department just what the approach would be, whether we're going to do a full-blown public consultation of the whole act or if we would just narrow its scope to the areas where we've had highlighted now that there may be problems.

So I can't answer the question as to what level of consultation there will be and exactly what part of the act will be open at this point. I would certainly welcome the Member's advice on that issue. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Transportation and they go back to my Member's statement where I mentioned the fact that in 2003, the last year statistics were available, 176 million litres of diesel oil and 34 million kilograms of ammonium nitrate went through Enterprise and most of it comes through Yellowknife on its way north

to the diamond mines. I wanted to ask the Minister today how many inspectors are exclusively dedicated to this and whether those personnel have changed in number or expertise over the past several years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have 10 officers that deal with dangerous goods in the Northwest Territories located at various scale operations in Fort Liard, Inuvik and Enterprise. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could I ask the Minister why the number of tickets issued have decreased when the amount of dangerous goods being transported on our road system has steadily increased? Why are tickets going down and dangerous goods going up? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be able to say that it was totally through good enforcement activities and compliance and a good relationship with the trucking industry, but there are also indications that the levels of traffic in the area of dangerous goods have decreased as a result of the Diavik Mine being completed and also the Miramar Con Mine ceasing production. So we had some reductions in terms of the dangerous goods traffic that was going through in the year 2004. We expect it to pick up again this year.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister why we are seeing the increase in spills. We had six in 2001, 22 in 2002, and 25 in 2003 and the number of spills keep going up. I wanted to ask the Minister if he could explain the relationship between the Department of Transportation and the Department of RWED when dangerous goods are spilled. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's a coincidence I guess that I'll be tabling the dangerous goods report today, as in the report it shows that we have a reduction in the number of spills. This report indicates that in 2004 we had 16 spills reported and responsibilities in the area of dangerous goods falls across a number of different departments and also the federal government. If it is on the truck on the road, there is a responsibility under our act for the Department of Transportation. If it is in a tank in the community, then it belongs to the community government and I guess also MACA.

If it's spilt on the ground, then it's RWED's responsibility. So there are a number of jurisdictions involved and we try to work to coordinate all of these. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister, if his department has this information, advise on what types of dangerous goods and the sizes of loads that are going through the streets of Yellowknife? I brought up the issue of public safety. Does his department have that type of information on the amount of dangerous goods traveling through the streets of Yellowknife? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I can't say with any great certainty if we have the actual numbers that flow through the city of Yellowknife. I'd have to check to see if we have that information. I'm sure we have some indicators. Our information is gathered at the weigh scales and it's at those locations that the trucks are inspected and checked for safety and for what their contents are and if they are following all the regulations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will commit to following up and if we have that information, I will certainly provide it. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have questions today for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment on the status of schools in the Sahtu region. Mr. Speaker, Chief Albert Wright School was built in 1970. Two years ago, they had a serious incident where some of the walls in the school were cracking. The permafrost underneath the building was shifting and they did some work on there and ventilation was a problem. They reported some rotten walls on the foundation. I would ask the Minister if he could give an update on the scheduled repairs to Chief Albert Wright School in Tulita.

How soon can the community members expect a new school and have the repairs on the thermostat fixed? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the Member's last question, I would have to check with my colleague, the Minister of Public Works , to find out if the thermostat has been fixed yet.

---Laughter

I haven't got that information with me. In terms of the schedule, the planning is proceeding, as I understand it. The whole process of locating the site for the school has proceeded over the course of the winter and the community has been involved in approving that site so that now we can start to prepare. The expectation is that construction will start to take place within the next fiscal year and the school should be ready for occupancy in 2007.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Speaker, regarding Chief T'Selihye, it was reported in News/North that the students heard a big thump and walls were cracking between the old school and new school. In some reports, you can put a hand in between the buildings and feel the outside. I want to ask the Minister of Education about the status of Chief T'Selihye School in Fort Good Hope. I understand the engineer's report has been out. What repairs will be done to the school this year? There are 167 students in that school, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is right; the engineer's report is out. The engineers are confident that the school is safe. It is not in any danger of a situation developing that would be unsafe for the students or the staff in the building. We are going to have to do more work this summer to assess just what sorts of repairs need to be undertaken. It appears that one of the biggest problems was that when the addition was added, they didn't put an expansion joint between the two parts of the school. So they are moving at different rates, the two parts. How that is going to be handled, we don't know yet.

More work will be done this summer on the piles to determine what is likely to develop in terms of movement of those piles. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The budget shows the repairs for some work in Fort Good Hope on Chief T'Selihye at $15,000. I wonder if the Minister can expand on what type of repairs can be done for $15,000 in the school with so little money. Maybe the school should be replaced instead in 2007. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The $15,000 was in the budget for planning money for the renovations to the school. With the situation that's happened this winter, we are likely going to have to find out for sure what's happening with the piles before we determine at what rate we move forward with the renovation or replacement. So that $15,000 now will probably be used to study the situation more. If it proves that we need to spend some money for short-term repairs, then we will have to find the money to do that.

At this point, that money was in the budget before the issue with the crack at the school and thus before determining that the two parts of the school are moving at different rates. So we will investigate, determine what the problem is and whether or not there needs to be short-term repair or if we can continue with planning for the replacement of that structure. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would ask the Minister if he would also give an update regarding Colville Lake. I understand Colville Lake school is not slated until 2007-08. They don't have any running water there in the school. The recreation facility/storage room in Colville Lake is also the same room as their washroom. What can the Minister do in terms of telling the people in Colville Lake when they can expect to have a decent school with running water and a proper washroom?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . I would just like to remind Members that their oral questions are supposed to stay on one topic. However, I will allow the Minister to respond. Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can tell the Member that Education is working with Municipal and Community Affairs to try to

schedule the addition of water to the school at the same time that MACA works with the community to get water treatment into that community. So we are hoping that the planning will be this year and we will be able to move fairly quickly by next year to address the water issue and to address the space issue. There needs to be an addition to accommodate the high school in particular in that community. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier in the week, I brought forward a concern about the arrears process with the Housing Corporation and the fact that there isn't consistency in the policy. The Minister

clearly stated that if you were in public housing and you had arrears, they would make a plan so that you could pay back those arrears, so you wouldn't be kicked out. I was trying to put the spotlight on the issue that if you had arrears and you aren't in social housing but you qualify for social housing...If you qualify for social housing and you can only pay market rate, it's going to put you in a pickle to pay those arrears back.

Would the Minister be willing to look at this policy to make sure, for those people who qualify for social housing and have arrears but are not in social housing, that there is a consistent policy on how we collect our arrears? This question does not ignore those arrears. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The policy is clear that if you were a former tenant and were evicted for not paying your rent and you do have arrears, the way you get back into social housing is you have to pay your arrears or attempt to pay those arrears, so you can get back on the waiting list to get back into social housing. You have to realize that in most of our local housing authorities, there is a waiting list to try to get into housing. To be fair, those people who have been evicted for not paying their rent, there is a process for them to get back on but the key is they have to pay down those arrears before they will be put on that list to get back into housing. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am still very concerned with this issue because I feel we are discriminating against those who are in most need. We are discriminating against them because they owe some money. I want them to pay the money back, but if they are prime candidates for social housing, they obviously are not prime candidates for market rent. Mr. Speaker, if they can't pay market rent and we are forcing them to pay market rent, how are we ever going to get our arrears back? It's perplexing. It's like trying to push a rope. We are not going to get the money back. What we need is a clear, consistent...

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

That being said, would the Minister investigate a policy where we do not discriminate against people? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have to realize that we have to be fair to all tenants. We can't have a loophole for one group of tenants. You were evicted for a reason. There is a reason that you got kicked out of housing. In order to get back into public housing, you can't skip the queue by jumping in front of the line. We have people on waiting lists who want to get into public housing who are in just as much need as the person who got kicked out. If you didn't have a problem the first time, you wouldn't have been evicted.

There is a way to get people back into social housing or public housing and that is to pay off those arrears and then they will be put back on the list. Then they will have the opportunity to get back into public housing.

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Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are still missing the point on this issue, Mr. Speaker. I have a constituent out there who is in public housing right now. I can tell you if he wasn't in public housing, his arrears as they were a few months ago, which were $2,000 or $3,000...This is a single guy with four kids and I can't imagine him paying market rent forever. When he qualifies for public housing, he wouldn't get in on this system. So how would he be able to afford to get into public housing if he has to pay his arrears? I think the policy is truly discriminating...

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Mr. Hawkins , do you have a question?

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Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I do. Is the Minister willing to talk about this to make sure that this policy is consistent, fair and doesn't discriminate against people?

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I didn't hear a question there, Mr. Hawkins . It was more or less a statement. Did you want to rephrase that, Mr. Hawkins ?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would this Minister look into that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to sit down with the Member and work with the person he's talking about and see if there is a way we can work it through. You talk about being fair, but you have to realize that people presently are trying to get the opportunity to get into public housing. We have people on the waiting list who are trying to get in, but the people who were already there, were evicted and now are trying to find a way to get back in. The whole idea is to be fair to all tenants, regardless of whether they are on a waiting list. There are ways to work it out, but the key is you have to pay down those rental arrears to be able to get back into public housing. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Your final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's not a question of not being fair. No one is suggesting that anyone needs to jump ahead of the queue. There is a priority system that they go forward with. We can't even

get them on the list to get them in the priority system. So, Mr. Speaker, that's the question I need the Minister to answer. Will he look at the system to make sure we can get them on that list? If they are in desperate need, they need to be on that list. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again, we have been getting direction from this House to do a better job on our collections and we are doing that by ensuring that people with arrears work out arrangements and have a payback plan with the local authority to pay off those arrears. For those individuals who have been evicted from public housing, it's clear; if you want to get back into public housing, you have to pay down those arrears before you will be put back on the list.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have some more questions for the Minister of Transportation . I think the Minister and Cabinet are going to think I took the palmistry course at Aurora College, but honestly I am not a fortune teller and I didn't know the Minister was going to be tabling the 2004 report later today.

---Laughter

I wanted to ask the Minister today for an update on where the Department of Transportation is at with the City of Yellowknife in getting the Kam Lake access road into the industrial park further along. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I guess you could say we are not much further along than the last time the Member asked this question. We've had some discussion with the city. The city has, along with our Department of Transportation, agreed that we should be drafting and signing a memorandum of understanding. The city has taken the time to put its first draft together. We are at the stage where we are now reviewing the document. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this morning are for Mr. Bell , as the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, and they relate to the recently-tabled document, a management plan for the Bathurst Caribou herd. Mr. Speaker, I wanted to ask the Minister where this plan goes from here. It is phrased in here as a recommendation of the planning committee. The question that I have for the Minister, Mr. Speaker, is what obligation is on the department to adopt this recommended plan? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are going to sit down now and talk to the planning committee that put this document together about the next steps forward in terms of public consultation. Obviously we have had many discussions. The groups involved with the planning committee are those charged with management of the herd, but there are many more stakeholders who have an interest in the management of caribou and need to be consulted. We need to have that discussion with them prior to anything taking place in terms of changes to the plan or, as I have indicated before, adoption of the plan.

None of that will take place until we've had discussions in consultation with stakeholders. Only then, if there is some agreement amongst those stakeholders about how we move forward, are we discussing options at that point. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to hear about the public and stakeholder response. I think one of the things that is reasonably standard and conventional with this kind of thing is a peer review at the scientific and the professional level. Will this plan be subjected to that kind of scrutiny? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe the Member can provide me with more clarification by what he means by peer review. As we go out to consult with stakeholders, many, through that consultation, will have a chance to weigh in on the recommendations, discuss the potential ethicality, or lack thereof, as they see it, of some of some of the options. If he's referring to technical experts, academics, scientists or other hunters, I am not exactly sure. But there will be a broad-based consultation on this and I think that's what the Member is looking for. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has pretty much outlined the area that I had in my questioning; that is, technical professionals in wildlife

management from other jurisdictions. I can certainly confirm that that is where I would like this to go. Mr. Speaker, a particular stakeholder concern has been with those commercial stakeholders, including outfitters, who are potentially put into a very tenuous position with some of these recommendations, one of which has seen them put out of business if herd