Debates of Oct. 15th, 1997

This is page numbers 1587 - 1614 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was nunavut .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Nunavut Transition Planning

Pay Equity

Nunatsiaq News

Article

Job Creation

Commercial Fishing Fuel Tax Rebate

Naming Of The New Western Territory

Municipal Funding Formula

Health And Social Services Draft Strategic Plan

GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

Child Advocacy Group

Yellowknife Association Of Concerned Citizens For Seniors

Clyde River Capital Spending Levels

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Funding For The Creation Of Two New Territories

GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

Property Management Transfer Discussions

Children's Advocate For The Nwt

Nwtma Response To Med-emerg Report

Municipal Financing Review

Ministerial Forum On Student Financial Assistance

Assistance To NWT Fisherman

Abuse Of NWT Health Care System

Fort Good Hope Winter Road

Comments From Diand Official

Viability Of Great Slave Lake Fishery

Regional Government Funding

Road From Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk

Fuel Rebate For NWT Fishermen

Fisheries And Oceans Personnel

Best Wishes For A Happy Marriage

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Tabled Document 114-13(4): Alberta Treasury Information Circular: Fuel Tax Act Rebates Of Alberta Fuel Tax

Referral Of Td 113-13(4) GNWT Interim Financial Report To Committee Of The Whole

Item 16: Motions

Referral Of Td 113-13(4) GNWT Interim Financial Report To Committee Of The Whole

Bill 25: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1997-98

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 3: Family Law Act

Bill 15:

An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act

Bill 21:

An Act To Amend The Companies Act

Bill 22:

An Act To Amend The Corrections Act

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 1587

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 119-13(4): Nunavut Transition Planning

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1587

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Minister responsible for Nunavut Transition Planning, I am pleased to update the Assembly on key issues concerning the creation of Nunavut.

Last week, Minister Todd tabled the transition action plan. This plan provides a detailed review of transition issues and costs. This document will serve many purposes, and it is important, I believe, that we all share the same understanding of what this document is intended to provide:

- advice to all the parties and in particular, the Interim Commissioner, on what needs to be done in this transition period;

- for the Western Territory it provides a basis for planning; and

- for the federal government it is a comprehensive costing that identifies gaps in the transition funding necessary for implementation.

The Report on Transition to a New Western Territory, tabled by Minister Dent yesterday, supplements the transition action plan and will provide a starting point for the establishment of a strong and viable Western Territory.

In addition to the intensive communication effort we have put forward to date on the action plan, I plan to attend the upcoming NTI Annual General Meeting in Igloolik to discuss the transition plan and to emphasize the importance of working together toward our common goal.

Mr. Speaker, in the critically short time that we have, I urge all parties to conclude financing discussions on transition costs, with an appropriate agreement, as soon as possible. We need the security of knowing that appropriate funding is in place so that we can focus on the immense task at hand, that the current standard of programs and services are in place on April 1, 1999.

Although we are partners in this process, the Interim Commissioner is clearly in the spotlight. Mr. Anawak has the responsibility of creating a functional Nunavut government by April 1, 1999. As we have stated on many occasions, Mr. Speaker, this government will continue to support and provide assistance to the Interim Commissioner wherever required.

The Interim Commissioner will be using the decentralized model, set out in Footprints 2, to establish the Nunavut government. This includes planning for the establishment of headquarters functions in several communities and the repositioning of regional services to many other communities throughout Nunavut. The Government of the Northwest Territories recognizes the challenges facing the Interim Commissioner to implement the decentralized model before April 1, 1999, because it is largely dependent on the construction of the necessary offices and houses for Nunavut government staff and federal funding.

As I, and many of my colleagues, have stated on several occasions, the Government of the Northwest Territories strongly supports the decentralized model. We have also said that there are some efficiency issues that will need to be considered by the Nunavut government.

The creation of a justice system for Nunavut is also an issue of critical importance. When we talk about a justice system for Nunavut, we are speaking of many different parts of an integrated system. There are the nuts and bolts of the structure. These include a Department of Justice that can provide legal advice to the government of Nunavut and draft new laws. It also includes a court system that will continue to provide essential services - judges, crown prosecutors and attorneys, justices of the peace, court workers and legal aid, to name a few. There are also the court registries and the registries where you can file corporate and land title documents.

It is of paramount importance that the Nunavut government have the capacity to continue these services on April 1, 1999.

Some of these functions will need to be up and running in Nunavut. Others may continue to be provided during a transition period through intergovernmental agreements with the Western Territory or other jurisdictions.

Of course, having the basic structure in place by April 1, 1999, so that necessary programs and services are provided, does not prevent the Nunavut government from changing the system to bring it closer to the people and better reflect cultural values. I am encouraged when I hear that the Interim Commissioner wishes to consult with the people of Nunavut on the kinds of changes that could be made.

Mr. Speaker, I recently had the privilege of participating at the signing of the Nunavut Municipal Incremental Infrastructure Program in Iqaluit on September 19th. The agreement signed by Indian Affairs and Northern Development Minister , Jane Stewart, and Manitok Thompson , Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs ; provides $8.22 million to the territorial government to meet projected infrastructure needs in 11 Nunavut municipalities this year. This is a three year infrastructure program worth an estimated $32 million.

The Nunavut government will need almost 700 new public service jobs. As a result of decentralization there will be a significant increase in the Baffin, Keewatin and Kitikmeot regions' population. With the expected population growth, communities must be prepared to meet the new demands for municipal services: more site development for housing and offices, classroom space, infrastructure and municipal services will be needed.

The $32 million in capital projects will upgrade and expand services such as water and sewage, fire fighting, schools and the site development for housing and office space. I am pleased to inform Members that all of the projects being managed by the Government of the Northwest Territories are proceeding on schedule.

The Government of the Northwest Territories is an active partner in the Working Group on Human Resources and Training. In September of this year, while in Iqaluit, Minister Dent , on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories, signed a Contribution Agreement with Minister Stewart to cover this year's funding requirement for the training programs under the Human Resources Strategy. We are now in the second year of the four year intensive training program, and this is perhaps the year in which most of the training will take place. In 1996-97 the strategy provided training for 232 Inuit, and it is anticipated that up to 400 students will enrol in 1997-98.

The Government of the Northwest Territories is also involved in delivering some of the training directly, in order to help prepare Inuit for jobs in the new government. For example:

- 21 people are training as middle managers in the Government of the Northwest Territories regional offices; and

- a program is in place to prepare Inuit for senior management positions, right now 13 people are in the program, and six more will soon be hired.

Preparation for Nunavut also requires changes to legislation. Until April 1, 1999, Nunavut and the Western Territory will be governed by the same laws. This legislative base will be inherited by each territory on April 1, 1999 and each territory will then be free to shape its laws according to its needs and wishes.

To assist this process a Statute Revision Commissioner has been appointed to prepare separate consolidations of the laws of the Northwest Territories as they will apply in Nunavut and in the Western Territory in 1999. This process has begun and will be completed 1999.

Our Assembly will be called upon to enact a number of measures to assist in the establishment of two territories. An important example is statutory measures to provide for a single Power Corporation and Workers' Compensation Board. It is critical that agreement be reached on these issues so that legislation can be introduced and enacted in the near future to establish a stable planning environment.

Federal legislative action will also be required. We are closely monitoring the progress of the Nunavut Act Amendments, which will also include an important amendment to the Northwest Territories Act.

Changes to the Nunavut Act are needed in order to allow for the election of a Nunavut Legislative Assembly that can take office on April 1, 1999. This change must be enacted early in the new year, in order to prepare for the Nunavut election. Other changes to the Nunavut Act are required to clarify certain sections so that we all know the legal regime in Nunavut on April 1, 1999.

In addition, federal legislative action will be needed to:

- provide for representation for Nunavut and the Western Territory in the Senate and House of Commons; and

- reduce the minimum size of this Assembly to 14 Members, pending the development of a new Constitution for the Western Territory.

It is critical for the Nunavut government and for this Assembly that these amendments get made as soon as possible and I will keep the Members posted on any progress.

The areas that I have outlined today are what I believe to be the immediate and priority issues for all partners in this process. April 1, 1999 is the first day of the new Nunavut government. There will be many issues that evolve and changes to take place, especially in the first few years. Many of these issues are for the elected Members of the new Nunavut Government to decide. For now, it is important that we keep our focus on the immediate and priority issues to ensure that the current standard of programs and services continue to be provided on April 1, 1999.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that the challenges that are ahead will require an extraordinary effort on the part of many, and the cooperation of all of the partners in this process. I will be working hard, with this Assembly and my Cabinet colleagues, in particular Mr. Dent and Mr. Todd , to ensure:

- the continued cooperation of all; and

- the successful completion of these tasks, tasks which will ensure the creation of two new territories.

Most of all, we can not lose sight of the fact that, despite the complexity of this process, this is about: the realization of the long held aspirations of the people of Nunavut to have their own government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

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Minister's Statement 119-13(4): Nunavut Transition Planning

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1589

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 120-13(4): Pay Equity

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1589

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The purpose of this statement is to set out the government's plan for dealing with pay equity during the 1997-98 collective bargaining. The concept of pay equity, Mr. Speaker, is one that I fully endorse and support. Indeed, Mr. Speaker, how can one argue against the principle of paying employees equally for doing similar or substantially similar work as set out under the Northwest Territories legislation or doing work of equal value as provided for under federal legislation? The issue before us is not with the principle of pay equity. The issue before us today is one of uncertainty.

How do we achieve pay equity? What will it cost? Who are the winners and who are the losers?

As you are aware, Mr. Speaker, there is an outstanding pay equity complaint. That complaint has been referred to a Tribunal pursuant to the Canadian Human Rights Act. Mr. Speaker, addressing a pay equity complaint is an extremely complex process. It involves the comparisons of actual evaluations of positions with evaluations against a gender neutral job evaluation system. It involves statistical models for identifying and comparing female and male jobs to determine if there are any wage gaps. It involves the examination of reasonable factors that may justify differences in male and female wages.

Mr. Speaker, the UNW and the government have commenced a mediation process for examining these complex issues. The objectives of a mediation process are to facilitate a negotiated settlement of the pay equity complaint and to expedite the Tribunal hearing process in the event that negotiations are unsuccessful. We are hopeful, however, that the Tribunal process will be unnecessary as our objective for the mediation process is to structure a settlement proposal that we can table with the UNW at collective bargaining and place before the Tribunal.

Mr. Speaker, this brings me to the two other areas of uncertainty about pay equity that I mentioned. What is the cost? Who are the winners? Who are the losers? Mr. Speaker, there has been much speculation over the years about what it would cost to resolve the pay equity complaint. I will not add today to that speculation. In the mediation process the parties examine job evaluation data, statistical methodologies and reasonable factors to determine any gender wage gaps that may exist. The parties must negotiate a responsible and fair settlement that is acceptable to the government, the UNW and the employees it represents.

I realize, Mr. Speaker, that implementing a new job evaluation system and resolving the pay equity complaint will result in an overall increase in the cost of the public service. I am hopeful, Mr. Speaker, that we can absorb this increased cost through initiatives already taken to balance the books. It is important, however, that the issue be resolved with a negotiated agreement that is financially responsible. The challenge before us is to find a solution that makes everyone a winner. A settlement that we cannot afford would require further large scale program reductions. Mr.

Speaker, the losers from large scale program reductions would be the population of the north who rely on government programs and services and employees who would lose their jobs as a necessary consequence of such large cuts. Yes, Mr. Speaker, employees.

Mr. Speaker, as the elected representatives of the people of the Northwest Territories, we must put our support making pay equity in the Northwest Territories a winning proposition for everyone. To do this, we must begin to bargain in good faith and show willingness to compromise in a way that is in the best interest of the population of the North.

Mr. Speaker, today, I have served formal notice to the UNW pursuant to the Public Service Act to commence collective bargaining for the renewal and revision of the Collective Agreement that expires on March 31, 1998. My staff have been instructed to meet with the UNW and work out a

schedule that will see this matter settled before March 31, 1998.

--Hear! Hear!

Mr. Speaker, let us put an end to uncertainty. Let us turn the situation around and make everyone a winner. Let us advance the rights of women in the Northwest Territories by finding a pay equity solution that is financially responsible and fair. Let us lend our support to the government and the union negotiators in finding an early settlement, one that can be recommended to this government and union membership for ratification. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 120-13(4): Pay Equity

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 121-13(4): Nunatsiaq News

Article

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1590

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today, I wish to make a statement as Minister responsible for the Status of Women. I am disturbed about an

article found in the October 3rd edition of the Nunatsiaq News. The

article reports on a church minister who resides in Kuujjuak, Northern Quebec and was charged and pleaded guilty to four sex charges involving young girls. Mr. Speaker, I am deeply angered and concerned with statements that were made during the course of this trial. A long time friend of the accused, who is also a clergyman, gave evidence at the hearing that crimes committed by the accused were not actually crimes at all in the Inuit culture.

--Shame! Shame!

In fact, he further claimed that the actions of the accused were acceptable in the old Inuit traditional ways of treating young women so that they may feel proud of their womanhood.

Mr. Speaker, crimes against women and children, particularly if they are of a violent and sexual nature are absolutely not acceptable in any culture. Crimes against women have never been acceptable in the Inuit culture. They are not acceptable now and were not acceptable then. Mr. Speaker, we cannot and should not accept the excuse that this type of behaviour is part of the old Inuit culture. I hear too many of these excuses used by both aboriginal and non-aboriginal people.

I believe these excuses about what is acceptable in the Inuit culture, and in general in the aboriginal community, is exactly that an excuse. Hopefully, the justice system will continue to see this for what it is, a weak and poor excuse, and will continue to punish the guilty with appropriate sentences.

Although this incident occurred in another jurisdiction, I believe that it reflects on women and the Inuit culture as a whole. Let me assure you, Mr. Speaker and Members of this House, that activities of this nature have never been and should never be considered part of the Inuit culture. Actions of this nature against women and children must never be considered acceptable. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 121-13(4): Nunatsiaq News

Article

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1590

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Just to remind the Minister that with regard to the statement, it is a sensitive statement, but also you added a bit more that deviated from your main statement which was not recorded and filed with the Clerk. Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 481-13(4): Job Creation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for two years we have chased the budget and for the next 18 months, it seems as if we will be chasing the deadline to April 1, 1999. Now we know that these are important issues, but to many northerners, we are missing the most important of issues. Mr. Speaker, jobs are what many northerners are looking for, the ability to put food on their tables and to buy warm clothing for their children. I sometimes think that we have forgotten what it felt like to not have any money to provide for our families. Indeed, some here may not have been in that position before.

Mr. Speaker, we have heard and seen the difficulties of many northerners. Many here would say, we know what it feels like to be in that position. I would say that you do not know until you have been there. That is why I say we need to spend as much time on the issue of jobs as we have on reductions, as much time on the issue of jobs as on division or should I say the creation of two new territories. Mr. Speaker, I will give you the example of what I believe can be done. It has the potential to impact many people. It can provide training for surveyors, engineers and operators.

It would further open the door to winter tourism. It would not only create a much needed training in jobs, it would also join the Beaufort Delta with the rest of the Western Territory. There are many other positive impacts, too many to list in a short time that I have.

Mr. Speaker, I speak of a road that is already built for the most part. You see right now during the winter months we have the ability to drive from the southern Northwest Territories all the way to Fort Good Hope. What we need to do is to complete this winter road up to the Dempster Highway and preferable to Inuvik. Mr. Speaker, we have an opportunity to train people, to put people to work. All we have to do is to decide that this is a worthwhile venture. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 481-13(4): Job Creation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 482-13(4): Commercial Fishing Fuel Tax Rebate

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the commercial fishermen of the Northwest Territories are struggling to earn a living. With the present economic times and marketing conditions, it is extremely hard for them to do so. A substantial component of the expense of commercial fishing is the cost of fuels, gasoline and diesel. These fuels are required for boats, bombardiers, generators; all equipment which do not use roads or highways. Yet, with every litre of fuel that the fishermen purchase, they contribute an average of ten cents to the maintenance of the territorial road system.

In the Northwest Territories, we have the Petroleum Products Tax Act, which sets the taxes on various petroleum products. Mr. Speaker, a portion of this taxation does not recognize that there are many who must purchase fuel for vessels, machinery and equipment that is not used on roads or highways.

An honourable Member brought this issue to the attention of the House in 1995 and suggested that the government review its policy on taxing fuel. Mention was made at that time of a program in the Prairie Provinces whereby farmers receive breaks on fuel taxes through the availability of a product designated as purple gas. The government of the day decided that it would be too costly to administer and I agree. It would be cumbersome and the costs would probably outweigh the benefits.

Mr. Speaker, there is another way. This would be in the form of a rebate. When commercial fishermen purchase quantities of fuel, their receipts could be sent back to the government annually for a rebate of the tax which applied to the road maintenance. This system would not require the colouring of fuel or delivery of the refund at the pump and would not be costly to administer, but it would rectify the unfair practice of taxing enterprises that do not use the infrastructure of roads and highways.

Mr. Speaker, this proposed rebate would not be breaking new ground. The Treasury Department in Alberta uses a rebate system for commercial off-road industries. This government implemented a commercial power subsidy rebate program based on annual submissions with accompanying receipts in the past. I would not see this rebate as being much different. I have a suggestion which could facilitate this assistance to the fishermen while not disrupting the support that the fuel tax provides to the cost of our road system.

Each winter, the private sector along with the territorial government spends additional dollars on an expanded winter road system for the seasonal delivery of products to off-road communities and to mine sites.

Between January 1 and March 31 in 1997, the Department of Transportation issued permits, licensing heavy trucks, totalling 1,040 in number and a total revenue was generated of $393,236. Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 482-13(4): Commercial Fishing Fuel Tax Rebate

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays, Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 482-13(4): Commercial Fishing Fuel Tax Rebate

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Licenses to operate heavy trucks can be purchased on a quarterly basis. One suggestion may be a minimal surcharge on the licenses purchased for the winter hauling quarter. I believe this could be adequately rationalized given the higher cost of winter road construction and maintenance and the intensive seasonal use of our highway infrastructure.

Whether this proposed offset of revenue lost created by rebating commercial fishermen is considered appropriate or not, I request that the Departments of Finance and Transportation give serious and prompt consideration to the implementation of a program which will eliminate payment of fuel tax applicable to roads for the commercial fishermen of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 482-13(4): Commercial Fishing Fuel Tax Rebate

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 483-13(4): Naming Of The New Western Territory

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are 533 days until division and the creation of two new territories. In the west it seems apparent that the constitutional process will continue past division. This leaves the naming of a new Western Territory to be resolved prior to division. Mr. Speaker, I would like to suggest that this should be put back on the agenda and the name decided on by next spring by the people of the Western Territory. Giving a name is a very important, symbolic event, especially as part of the creation of a new Western Territory. Mr.

Speaker, we need a northern name with meaning and significance to the people of the Western Territory. Right now we are named after a direction on the compass. We are northwest of what, Mr. Speaker? Northwest of Ottawa. That was hardly of northern significance then, and it is of even less significance now. I can think of no other jurisdiction in North America that is named after the direction on a compass. Mr. Speaker, you have to just look around our neighbours. You have the Yukon, you have Nunavut, you have Saskatchewan and Alberta. All fine names with meaning to their people.

I once again put forward the name of Nahendeh for consideration. Our land, Mr. Speaker. A strong name, a northern name. Nahendeh, our land for all the people of the Western Territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 484-13(4): Municipal Funding Formula

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to bring forward a concern that has had an impact on my home community of Rae-Edzo for a number of years. I realize that this government and previous governments have tried to make the Municipal Funding Formula as equitable as possible. However, due to the unique situation in Rae-Edzo being one of the largest non-tax-based communities and the fact that over the years Rae-Edzo has concentrated on developing a private economic base instead of relying on this government to provide capital infrastructure, we have been short changed when dealing with the current formula.

This formula deals with how much funding each non-tax based community receives to perform their day-to-day operations. However, when the officials try to use this to determine the funding of Rae-Edzo, it falls short due to the size of the community in the lack of public infrastructure. One of many areas that this formula does not address is the issue of protective services. There is not enough dollars to provide for by-law enforcement. I believe this is not just an issue from Rae-Edzo, but territorial wide one.

There are many concerns that I know the honourable Minister of MACA is addressing through the municipal funding review that is currently taking place. I hope this review will show that there are still inadequacies which have become apparent over the past number of years since the last change in the funding formula and will also come up with the equitable solutions for all communities across this vast land. I would also like to inform the Minister that later today I will be asking her some questions regarding this important issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1591

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 485-13(4): Health And Social Services Draft Strategic Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1592

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week Dr. David Butcher, the president of the Northwest Territories Medical Association and Paula Lessard, executive director of that association, presented a briefing on the Northwest Territories Health and Social Services Draft Strategic Plan to Members of the Standing Committee on Government Operations. I attended that meeting and will paraphrase the comments and remarks Dr. Butcher presented on behalf of his association.

The Medical Association submitted a written report to this government a while ago and is awaiting a response from the Minister of Health and Social Services , the Honourable Kelvin Ng . The work to prepare a strategic plan was sole-sourced to Med-Emerg International. The Northwest Territories Medical Association advises us it was not informed nor consulted that a contract of this nature was to be awarded. The association expressed its concern with the very short notice from the time of the announcement of the project to the completion of interviews. The medical profession in particular was to be interviewed on a very ad hoc basis and by only one or two members of the total team.

It therefore begs the question, was the whole interview process conducted in a whirlwind tour of northern communities. I understand that the bulk of the consultation and preparation of the report was based on interviews with departmental staff and review of reports and documents previously prepared by departmental staff or commissioned by the department. If this is correct, a critical review and analysis of the strategic direction with regard to reform was therefore limited. The Medical Association had concerns regarding the lack of specific northern experience of the consulting team.

The choice of team members was left to Med-Emerg. Only four of the 16 member team listed any prior work in the Northwest Territories and familiarity with northern health care. This of course leads to a specific concern that the report could be potentially biased in favour of health care reforms currently under way in southern jurisdictions without an adequate reflection of the unique geographical and cultural environment of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ootes , you have unanimous consent.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The association contends that many of the recommendations made in the report do not differ significantly from those made in previous reports and studies commissioned and/ or written by members of the Department of Health and Social Services.

In fact, many of the recommendations and much of the text reflects an approval of health care reforms already proposed and initiated by the department. The Medical Association contends that most of the analyses and recommendations could have been derived and in many cases have been made prior to this report. The overall sense by the association is that the report provides little new input to the discussion and process of health care reform. That association states that on reviewing the report, many of the same concerns remain and are unresolved.

It is the opinion of the association that the report does not represent good value for money. The cost of the contract was a reported $500,000 and $250,000 in expenses. This is done at a time when health care expenditures are being curtailed and cut. Therefore, such a large sum of money for a report requires close examination. In the spring, I expressed concern in this House how this project was awarded. Dr. Butcher has similar concerns with the overall cost of the report, given the current fiscal climate and health care cuts. What is important is where we go from here.

Later today, I will ask some questions in that regard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 486-13(4): GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1592

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the transition action plan as released by Mr. Todd poses many questions, but also gives some direction and addresses the magnitude of the decisions and work that has to be done before April 1, 1999. It is not a perfect document, but it is a starting point that will be discussed and evaluated by the effected parties.

The issue of funding. A funding shortfall as presented by the federal government is outside the scope of the monetary ability of this government. On April 1, 1999, when Nunavut begins, we want it to be successful and properly financed.

Over the next several months, the continuing negotiations and the gross expenditure base for Nunavut and the new Western Territory will be decided, but this does not impede this government or the federal government to help facilitate a smooth transition so that on April 2, 1999, Nunavut residents will still be able to access programs and services, receive their pay cheques, attend school, et cetera. This is what the transition action plan outlines. Nothing less, nothing more. Mr.

Speaker, this government has reiterated its commitment to decentralization, and now it is up to the federal government to help pay the cost of the recommendations made in Footprints 2. The document is advice to all parties and to the Interim Commissioner. The gaps in the funding to date have been identified and the time line is getting shorter to division. Mr. Speaker, it is time for the Nunavut Caucus to call another Nunavut leaders' meeting to address the transition action plan, and the work that has been done and has to be done by April 1, 1999.

Later today, I will be asking the Minister for Division questions on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 487-13(4): Child Advocacy Group

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1592

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is in regard to a child advocacy group in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, within our government we have many areas where people can go for help. The sad thing about this is the agencies, groups and the government that do support and promote programs are predominantly for adults. The Northwest Territories, despite the review of the Family Law Act, has not looked at the area of a child advocacy group. In other jurisdictions in Canada, six out of nine provinces have a child advocacy group. In regard to the many concerns and

issues that affect children in the Northwest Territories, I believe that a predominant number of our population are the youth. Yet, Mr. Speaker, we have made decisions in this House that affect children. The cuts to programs and services, that affects children and the decisions that we make will affect the future generation of the people we represent.

The issues that affect children today, such as alcoholism, drug abuse are important because children are possibly the most valuable resource and asset that we have because the future of the Northwest Territories is our children. Yet, today, we talk about the Family Law Act with no consideration of the family law bill. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister questions on this particular matter. Thank you.

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Page 1593

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 488-13(4): Yellowknife Association Of Concerned Citizens For Seniors

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1593

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

I rise today to acknowledge a group of individuals in my community who are deserving of our recognition. Mr. Speaker, this group calls themselves YACCS or better known as Yellowknife Association of Concerned Citizens for Seniors. This group of individuals have played an significant roll within our community on behalf of our seniors. They are instrumental in fund-raising for the construction of the Baker Community Centre, a facility specifically for seniors. It was not an easy task, Mr. Speaker, especially in light of the financial restraint our community and residents have been under in the past few years, but they did it!

Mr. Speaker, they did not want to stop there. They had accomplished their goal. The Baker Community Centre was built. Over the summer this association, YACCS, updated their mission statement, developed a vision statement and looked at the issues facing seniors, not only those in Yellowknife but in other Northwest Territories communities. They have determined their goals and strategies to follow for the next two years.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to share some of their future strategies with my fellow Members while keeping in mind, this community-based group of individuals may one day be representing you and I when we are seniors:

-they are pursuing accredited status for Aven Manor through the Canadian Council on Health Services Accreditation,

-negotiate a new collective agreement with the Union of Northern Workers for centre staff,

-explore the feasibility of building a nursing home for the cognitively impaired seniors in the Western Northwest Territories and improve the current facilities and

-develop policies for the Board to ensure the community composition is reflected.

Mr. Speaker, we are very lucky to have such a committed group of individuals at work within our community. I ask that my fellow Members join me in recognizing the Yellowknife Association of Concerned Citizens for Seniors and wish them our very best in realizing their goals. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1593

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 489-13(4): Clyde River Capital Spending Levels

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1593

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and good afternoon. Within my riding I have a community that is very frustrated with government. Clyde River does not have a large population, around 750 people. When it comes to capital spending they feel they are often told they will have to wait. It seems that other communities do not have the same difficulty getting money for their capital projects. It also seems that other communities do not have to wait as long.

In the 1998-99 year, a number of projects are proposed to be done in Clyde River. The community hopes that the projects will be done. All of the projects have been waited for. What the community wonders about is why it takes so long. Clyde River hopes that other small communities are not having the same problems when it comes to capital spending. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1593

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1593

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker I would like to recognize, first of all, three former constituents of Cambridge Bay, Helen Blewett, Chad Blewett and Tyler Blewett, who as of this week became residents of Yellowknife South. Other constituents who happen to be in town, Millie Angulalik, my mother-in-law; Margaret Kablook Nakashook and my sister-in-law, Betty Nakashook, and of course accompanying them is my wife, Susie and our son, Trenton. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1593

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question at this time will be directed to the Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd . Has the Minister been advised if the position of the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs has changed, concerning the transition costs and the creation of two new territories from what you announced last week? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Page 1593

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know my honourable colleague, as well as a number of others, have

expressed some concern with respect to comments that may have been made by a federal employee who is in the Nunavut secretariat. With respect to the fact, she is employed and there is no new funding and that it was the creation of one territory. I want to assure my honourable colleague that I have no reason, no reason whatsoever to doubt that in my discussion with Ms. Stewart, the federal Finance Minister , she is committed to putting a table together to answer the questions that I asked her, as it relates to adequate funding and the creation of two territories. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral Questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 678-13(4): GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1594

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement was on the Nunavut transition planning. My question is for the Minister responsible for Nunavut transition planning, Mr. Arlooktoo . Could the Minister update this House, if the government has received an official response from our partners, NTI and the federal government of the transition document? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Deputy Premier, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The answer is no. We have not received the official responses to the documents. We are however, in daily communication with members of the NTI executive and the federal government. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral Questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, does the Minister anticipate that we will having a Nunavut caucus meeting to discuss the transition document and other issues surrounding the creation of Nunavut over the next few weeks? Would he be contacting the parties? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the Member was asking about a Nunavut leaders' meeting rather than a Nunavut caucus meeting. I understand the government has received a request from the president of Nunavut Tunngaviik Incorporated, asking for such a meeting to be held. I am planning to meet with Mr. Kusugak on the 27th of this month to discuss such a possibility for a meeting.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the transitional document has now been made public. Will the Minister or any of his staff, be going to some of these centralized communities or other communities in Nunavut to explain the document and to present it in the light it has been presented in this House. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is important for us to wait for the response from the federal government, from the NTI and from the Interim Commissioner on our transition action plan. It is also important for MLAs to be communicating with their constituencies, especially the communities that are affected by the decentralized model. I did mention earlier today that I am planning to present a briefing to the annual general meeting of NTI on the 27th, in Igloolik and in the process on the way to that meeting, I will be meeting with some other officials in Iqaluit.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral Questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 679-13(4): Property Management Transfer Discussions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1594

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation . It is in regard to the negotiations that are currently underway with Public Works and Government Services Canada, in regard to the provision of property management and building maintenance services in six western Arctic communities. Could the Minister elaborate as to what is being covered under those discussions, please?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral Questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate or confirm whether there will be adequate resources transferred from the federal government so that, in fact, local housing authorities do not end up having to use some of their own very valuable resources to help the federal government maintain their own? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the conditions that our own Cabinet implied in giving their permission for negotiations is that there be no reduction in services of the LHOs because of this contract. In fact, it was necessary as a result of taking over this contract, there would be additional resources through fees et cetera, and that is our starting position. That is how we intend to negotiate and conclude the arrangement.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that the six communities are: Yellowknife, Fort Smith, Hay River, Fort Simpson, Norman Wells and Inuvik. Could the Minister confirm whether the federal staff in those communities and the local LHOs have been involved and are up to speed on what is happening with the negotiations? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have the latest information on the consultation with the communities or the staff. I understand it certainly is our intention to include them as much as possible in the process and to ensure the present Public Works and Services Canada staff that may be involved in these functions are offered the current employment that they have.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate when he anticipates this agreement will be signed off? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can certainly get the information from our officials on exactly when, but as I recall, the target dates for the conclusion of negotiations is early in November and for the program to commence on April, 1998.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng , regarding child advocacy in the Northwest Territories. Within our government, we have many areas people can go for help. The sad thing about this is the agencies and groups our government support are predominantly directed towards adults. The Northwest Territories drastically needs a child advocacy group, where children can go over issues related to child welfare matters. Six out of nine provinces have child advocacy groups. My question, Mr. Speaker, is will the government pursue a child advocacy office for the Northwest Territories?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it has been an issue that has warranted some investigation and in particular when developing the new Child and Family Services Act that has already been passed by the Legislature. I can say it is an issue we are cognizant of but at this time, we feel that the bill, the Child and Family Services Act which has been passed, gives ample opportunity for individuals and organizations to become more actively involved in child welfare matters in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister develop an avenue for children to pursue their rights, to ensure they can live their lives from harm and be able to find direction, so they are able to access these problems that you mentioned?

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Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again, we believe there are avenues in the Child and Family Services Act to allow for greater involvement for individuals or groups advocating on behalf of children. There are also adequate measures in respect to some of the programs and services for counselling and support for children and their families as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister ensure that the children have some office outside the Department of Health and Social Services where they can go for assistance in regard to advising the children of their rights and programs available for those children?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot commit to that at this time until obviously, we see how some of the mechanisms within the Child and Family Services Act plays out. If there is a determined ongoing need to look at that type of an initiative, it would be something that we would look at, but that would be a later time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the Minister's comments of the timing of getting this information to us. Could the Minister be more specific in regard as to when he can have this information available to myself and this House?

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Kelvin Ng

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Child and Family Services Act is planned to be enacted sometime early in 1998. I would think that as training and implementation takes place, to get that up and running, it would not be until after the Act was in place and communities, individuals and organizations have had an opportunity to work with the new bill before we will take another look at whether or not other measures are required, Mr. Speaker. I cannot give a definite date on when we would be progressing on that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Honourable Kelvin Ng , Minister of Health and Social Services . The Northwest Territories Medical Association has not been kind in its review of the Med-Emerg report which was a voluminous and expensive study. I am wondering if the Minster could tell us if he has reviewed a submission made by the Northwest Territories Medical Association to this government, if he has had an opportunity to review the association's report?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member is correct. The Northwest Territories Medical Association did provide some critical input into the report. By the same token, I think there has been positive input as well from boards that have received it. I have not had an opportunity to, in detail, go over the Medical Association's concerns. I am aware of it. They have suggested a meeting with myself and my officials to enter into some more discussions on this matter. It is a matter of timing to set up that meeting, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that the next step in the process will be a strategic plan based on the Med-Emerg report. To me, the Northwest Territories Medical Association, the people that are delivering the health services in the territory, is an extremely important group. I would think that the Minister should place priority on a meeting with that group and diligently and conscientiously listen to their concerns. I am wondering if the Minister will expedite a meeting with that association so that issue can be resolved. To me it was very disturbing to hear their criticisms.

I think it is an area that we should be very sensitive to because these are the people that deliver the programs. Will the Minister assure me that he will expeditiously hold a meeting with the association and listen to their concerns with great attention?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, certainly we recognize the importance of their input. It has not been totally disregarded. As I indicated, we do have their response to the strategic plan. I would like to say that the Northwest Territories Medical Association is not the only deliverer of health services in the Northwest Territories. They are an integral part of it, but we have to look at the whole system in itself and that is why we commissioned this broader report to look at the entire Northwest Territories and trying to develop an integrated system.

Yes, in as timely a fashion as possible, I will commit to meeting with the Medical Association to go over the details of their response to the draft strategic plan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

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Thank you, Mr. Minister for assuring me you will pursue that. The strategic plan in regard to the Med-Emerg

report is to be concluded sometime this fall. Could the Minister tell us when he is looking at the next stage of this plan?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I have indicted in the past, the boards throughout the Northwest Territories have undertaken a major consultative effort with the draft strategic plan. At the same time, the department has provided it to organizations and associations throughout the Northwest Territories, such as the Medical Association, for their input. Our timeframe on receiving of the feedback from those consultations will be obviously later this year. We are into October now, so I will anticipate by late October, middle of November, trying to put together a final strategic plan later this year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the next stage be the presentation of another report that can be circulated for a final look at what the strategic plan will be, a report that will be submitted to the various organizations, boards, associations, Medical Association, the Nurses Association and so forth? Thank you.

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Certainly, Mr. Speaker. Once we receive the feedback. Obviously, we would take into consideration what the stakeholders and what the public have as issues. We would mold that into a final strategic plan that I would anticipate on tabling in this House early in 1998 and provide opportunities for further input and consultations before finalization. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 682-13(4): Municipal Financing Review

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1597

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today I spoke about the problems the Hamlet of Rae-Edzo has regarding the municipal funding formula concerning a review of funding formula. My question for the Minister of MACA , is will the department currently be doing a review of funding formula. What is the timeframe for the completion of this review?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1597

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Page 1597

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to first thank the Member from Rae-Edzo for bringing the problem forward to me in regard to the municipal financing formula. These are the types of comments we need for the review. The final recommendations will be reviewed at next year's NWTAM, which is the Association for Municipalities' Annual General Meeting in May of 1998. The recommendations have to be reviewed first, before finalizing this municipal financing review with any of our communities. Thank you.

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Page 1597

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 683-13(4): Ministerial Forum On Student Financial Assistance

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1597

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Finance and I see he is not here. I will ask my question to the Minister of Education Culture and Employment . My question is concerning student financial assistance. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has set up a student financial assistance forum that has been touring the territories investigating concerns with student financial assistance. I wonder if the Minister could update this House on the status of that forum? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1597

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Again, I would like to remind the Members, when Members are not in the House, not to mention them by name when they are not here.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1597

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the ministerial forum has concluded their public consultation. They have been writing the report, and I expect to have the report delivered to me by the end of October or early November, at the latest. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1597

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the Minister receives the report would he be tabling that in the House for all Members and the public to have an opportunity to see? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1597

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I will. I have promised to share the report with the Standing Committee on Social Programs at our next meeting in December. Soon after the House sits, following that, I will table the report.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Question 683-13(4): Ministerial Forum On Student Financial Assistance

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1598

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the ideas behind the committee looking at student financial assistance was because the Minister was looking at introducing some changes. I wonder if the Minister now will be delaying any type of change to student financial assistance until indeed the report is tabled in this House and that the Members of the committees have had a chance to look at that in conjunction with the changes that are being anticipated? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1598

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the intention was always to discuss in this House the changes or potential changes the program may have to undertake and to institute the changes in the fall of 1998, at the earliest. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1598

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 684-13(4): Assistance To NWT Fisherman

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1598

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Finance . Today in my Member's statement I attempted to outline what I think is a measure that could be taken that would be of considerable assistance to the Northwest Territories fishermen. Is the Minister prepared to direct his staff to examine the ramifications of changing the tax implications to off-road vessels and vehicles through some form of tax rebate? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1598

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Would the Premier like to respond to that? Mr. Morin .

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Page 1598

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Page 1598

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 685-13(4): Abuse Of NWT Health Care System

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1598

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to Mr. Ng , the Minister of Health , regarding Northwest Territories' health cards. Mr. Speaker, concerns have been brought to me regarding the blatant abuse of the Northwest Territories' health care system whereby southern workers coming north on a seasonal or a temporary basis use the Northwest Territories health card system to supply proof of residency for northern employment. I have been advised of cases whereby employers are actually endorsing this practice, in order to supply the northern employee component for contracts to receive benefits such as a BIP.

The question to the Minister is, what mechanism does this department have in place to verify applicants have indeed been permanent residents of the Northwest Territories for three months prior to receiving their Northwest Territories' health card approval. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1598

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not aware of that answer. So I will find out and advise the Member accordingly.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1598

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister be able to provide the annual number of applicants who request a Northwest Territories' health care card for the last few years? We can then compare those numbers of residents who have migrated into the Northwest Territories and figure that against the Northwest Territories' statistics. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we will try to do that as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 686-13(4): Fort Good Hope Winter Road

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1598

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement, I talked about providing an opportunity to the people of Inuvik and the Inuvik region of possible jobs and training. This could include more than the Inuvik region, the Sahtu as well because I used the example of a winter road that right now during the winter months we can drive up to Fort Good Hope from Yellowknife. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for Transportation , has there been any work done in the area of winter roads and specifically the winter road that goes to Fort Good Hope and pushing that north to Inuvik? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1598

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is no work being done to look at that possibility at the present time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1599

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this road, I mean a simple road, that does not take a lot of money to construct because it is over frozen ground. This is an opportunity for this government to show that we are looking in the area of economic development and jobs for the people of the area. If the government has not looked at jobs to date or looked at how it can do this, is it going to be done in the very near future? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1599

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, maybe I could answer it this way. At the present time we have a winter road system from Wrigley up to Tulita to Norman Wells and to Good Hope and from Tulita to Deline. The purpose of the winter road is, even though it is a very short season the last few years, to resupply these communities with the big items like housing supplies, fuel and very large pieces of merchandise that we have to get into these communities. This has been an ongoing practice of this government to provide that service.

With the amount of resources we have today and with the environmental problems that we have encountered the last couple of years with the federal Department of Oceans and Fisheries, we have been directed to focus our attention on the existing winter road that I just mentioned by improving the stream crossing and that is where our focus has been up-to-date. Perhaps, if we run into additional funding in the future, we will probably have to take a look at what the honourable Member for Inuvik is requesting; but at the present time, we are just focusing with our limited resources on what we have. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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